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[0:00] much. Yeah. Good evening everyone.
[0:03] >> Nice to uh nice to be with you all. Um
[0:08] before I get started, I'm just kind of
[0:09] curious. Um how many people So we're in
[0:12] in a practice period right now and our
[0:14] theme is Xiao Xiao who was a Chan master
[0:18] and we're talking about his coons and
[0:20] also about the period. How many people
[0:23] have some familiarity with Xiao Xiaou?
[0:25] Let's start there.
[0:27] overwhelmingly a minority. [laughter]
[0:31] And how about Chan? The period of Chan.
[0:34] Okay. Even even less. All right. Well,
[0:36] I'm not going to talk about either. No,
[0:38] I'm just joking. Um
[0:41] I am not it is it is a big topic and it
[0:45] is uh kind of a a particular piece of of
[0:49] history particularly of our our Buddhist
[0:52] um experience
[0:54] where a lot of um forces come together.
[0:58] It's kind of a sweeping time. These vast
[1:01] vast uh landscapes, all of this
[1:04] political turmoil, but this is all
[1:07] happening in a period of what we call
[1:09] chant, which is about
[1:12] I'm going to roughly say 600 to 900 uh
[1:16] common era, right? And um and Xiao Xiao
[1:20] is living um toward the end of these uh
[1:24] this period. Um, it's simultaneously
[1:28] like the height of great Chinese
[1:31] civilization in terms of art and
[1:33] literature and culture, but there also
[1:35] the these incredible pockets of of
[1:39] violence and and disturbing warfare and
[1:42] lots of political upheaval. So, it's a
[1:45] it's a really interesting confluence of
[1:49] of events that are happening. And um so
[1:55] out of this period of time, Buddhism as
[1:58] it has come from India along the Silk
[2:01] Roads
[2:03] um arrives in China and kind of brings a
[2:07] special and unique flavor
[2:10] not only from India but also because of
[2:13] what it is encountering at the time
[2:16] which are Chinese culture and
[2:18] civilization, Confucianism and and
[2:21] particularly dowoism, right?
[2:24] And the um
[2:29] the invitation,
[2:31] if I may use that word, of the Chan
[2:34] Buddhist practice at that time is for
[2:37] each and every one of us, just like the
[2:41] invitation is for us today, I think, to
[2:44] have a direct experience of our own
[2:46] lives. something that is direct, that is
[2:50] immediate, that feels authentic, that
[2:53] gives us a sense of of intimacy. I want
[2:57] to start by by reading two uh brief
[3:01] paragraphs from some contemporary
[3:04] teachers. Many of you have heard of
[3:06] Suzuki Roshi, I dare say. and in his um
[3:12] the recent collection of his essays
[3:15] edited by uh Juryu and I guess also by
[3:18] Mel was involved. Um
[3:22] the title of the book is becoming
[3:24] yourself which is part and parcel of the
[3:27] journey toward having a direct
[3:28] experience or an outcome of having a
[3:30] direct experience of our lives. And um
[3:35] he says uh Suzuki Roshi says sharing the
[3:39] feeling we have right here right now is
[3:43] the fundamental thing for Zen practice.
[3:46] Zen in a word is to share our feeling
[3:49] with people with trees and with
[3:52] mountains wherever we are. That is Zen
[3:54] practice.
[3:56] Usually our mind is filled with
[3:58] something like ice cream or bananas or
[4:00] how much soap costs in one store
[4:02] compared to another or by looking at the
[4:04] newspaper and seeing an ad for sale.
[4:07] This is my inter uh um interjection or
[4:11] by reading the news that's going on
[4:13] right and having that uh cause a
[4:15] reaction in us. So it's almost
[4:17] impossible to share the actual feeling
[4:19] we have where we are right now. Our life
[4:22] is going on and on endlessly filled with
[4:26] rubbish. Rubbish at first. At some
[4:28] moment it is important for you but not
[4:31] necessary to hold on to it past that
[4:33] point. It is the same with our everyday
[4:36] life because we have so much useless
[4:38] rubbish rubbish in our minds. It is hard
[4:42] to share our feeling with people with
[4:45] things with trees or with mountains.
[4:48] Even though we are right in the middle
[4:50] of the woods, it is still hard to
[4:52] appreciate the feeling of the woods.
[4:55] When we can really appreciate the
[4:57] feeling of the woods, that is Zazen. And
[5:01] I would say that is our direct
[5:03] experience of our own life.
[5:08] And then um a book that I have come to
[5:10] deeply love called Through the Forests
[5:13] of Every Color: Awakening with Coons by
[5:17] Joan Sutherland.
[5:23] She says,
[5:26] "We set out our lives shaped like
[5:30] wondering. In the beginning, we're
[5:32] looking perhaps for some kind of answer.
[5:35] An answer to the shared questions about
[5:37] life, death, and meaning, or to the
[5:40] question uniquely formed in our own
[5:42] lives.
[5:44] The thing that aches on some days and
[5:46] causes a sudden pain on others,
[5:49] something heavy with a sharp edge that
[5:51] we're carrying next to our skin. or were
[5:54] propelled by intimations of another
[5:56] world inside this one. A soft glowing
[5:59] world in which the defining
[6:01] characteristics are not limitation and
[6:04] repetition but something more spacious
[6:07] and at ease. How do we get closer to
[6:10] that? Perhaps we have both kinds of
[6:13] questions at the same time which barely
[6:15] leaves energy to pack for the journey.
[6:20] So thinking of these um the feeling that
[6:24] I get from both of these readings as
[6:28] they relate to this particular theme of
[6:31] our practice period is that in the time
[6:34] of Chan
[6:36] these questions these desires were the
[6:39] same as the desires and the questions
[6:41] that we have right now. How can I get
[6:45] inside my life? How can I kind of move
[6:49] closer? How can I be more intimate and
[6:52] more relaxed and have this sense of
[6:54] direct experience?
[6:56] And the Chan masters, I think, very
[6:58] wisely understood that one of the
[7:02] obstructions that we all have then and
[7:04] now is our beautiful minds.
[7:10] are beautiful, beautiful minds that love
[7:12] words, that love stories, that loves
[7:16] conceptualizing and
[7:19] and and produce so many wonderful gifts
[7:22] and also can be an incredible hindrance
[7:24] to us at the same time.
[7:30] So
[7:33] in response to this awareness that they
[7:36] had, they developed a different type a
[7:40] different style of of Buddhist practice.
[7:43] You know, you probably have heard of
[7:45] some
[7:46] some of the Zen masters who would
[7:48] suddenly just shout at you, [laughter]
[7:53] wake up.
[7:55] What does that feel like? Where are you?
[7:57] are you here? Right.
[7:59] Um some would would strike their
[8:03] students. I will not do that. Your
[8:06] everyone here is safe.
[8:09] And
[8:11] a big piece of the practice is
[8:14] actually using
[8:16] the same thing that can be an
[8:18] obstruction to our freedom and to our
[8:20] experience of our direct life, which is
[8:22] to use words. it gets very very tricky,
[8:27] right? I think that um Thomas Merton in
[8:31] his um if some of you um
[8:37] were here last fall practice period and
[8:39] I think Kathy was here and Chinszen I
[8:42] think talking about Chan as well, right?
[8:44] In the book um the golden age of Zen,
[8:47] Thomas Merin uh has a beautiful uh
[8:50] introduction which I think is a pretty
[8:52] nice description of um of Zen and he's
[8:58] talking about the the the inherent
[9:01] problem or kind of this conundrum that
[9:03] we have as humans loving words and being
[9:07] so word-based evolutionarily,
[9:10] you know, just they're such an important
[9:12] tool for communication and Yet uh as I I
[9:15] said they can also be uh an obstruction.
[9:19] So he says this is Thomas Merin
[9:23] even while using words right he says Zen
[9:26] however resolutely resists any
[9:28] temptation to be easily communicable and
[9:31] a great deal of the paradox and violence
[9:34] of Zen teaching and practice is aimed at
[9:37] blasting the foundation of ready
[9:39] explanation and comforting symbol out
[9:42] from under the discip disciples supposed
[9:45] experience.
[9:47] So this this violence I mean whether
[9:49] it's the shout or whether it's inherent
[9:52] in terms of how the words are
[9:53] constructed there is a desire to really
[9:57] shake us up
[9:59] to get us out of the rut
[10:02] of just assuming that we know what life
[10:05] what's happening in life. We're kind of
[10:07] our life is direct experiences over here
[10:10] and we're over here in our minds.
[10:14] Thinking about our life is not the same
[10:16] thing as being inside our life.
[10:21] I very very poignantly remember this
[10:24] experience for a long time in my life
[10:28] especially late adolescence and early
[10:30] adulthood just having this sense of like
[10:33] where is my life and how do I get on the
[10:35] inside of it? What is it really like? It
[10:38] felt like I was just, you know, kind of
[10:40] pressing my nose against the window pane
[10:43] of my real life, unable to kind of
[10:46] somehow get through, right, and really
[10:48] feel like I was in it. So much of the
[10:50] the pattern that I experienced in my own
[10:53] behavior, heart and mind, was rehearsing
[10:56] the past, that which had already
[10:58] happened in order to make it more h uh
[11:02] um palatable to me or make myself better
[11:05] in whatever had happened or or um
[11:08] rehashing the past or rehearsing the
[11:10] future. This is what I'm going to say
[11:12] when this happens. Never being right
[11:15] here, right? And I think for many of us
[11:18] in part because of habit energies
[11:21] because of just the way the human mind
[11:23] works we forget that life is what
[11:25] happens in between before and after.
[11:29] Right? So he goes on to say and talk in
[11:33] terms of talking about language and I
[11:35] think articulating what some of the the
[11:37] problem is but also where some of these
[11:39] coons are trying to come from. The
[11:42] language used by Zen and particularly by
[11:44] these Chan masters is therefore in some
[11:47] sense an anti- language and the logic of
[11:51] Zen is a radical reversal of
[11:53] philosophical language. The human
[11:56] dilemma of communication is that we
[11:57] cannot communicate ordinarily without
[12:00] words. But every ordinary experience
[12:03] tends to be falsified by our habits of
[12:06] verbalization and rationalization.
[12:11] Virginia Wolf said coming out of her
[12:13] front door. She said, "No matter what I
[12:15] write, it will whatever however I try to
[12:18] describe the color green, it will pale
[12:22] in compared to in comparison to this
[12:24] ordinary shrub right outside my door.
[12:27] Um, the convenient tool of language
[12:30] enables
[12:32] uh the convenient tools of language
[12:35] enable us to decide beforehand
[12:38] what we think things mean.
[12:41] and tempt us to easily see things only
[12:44] in a way that fits our logical
[12:47] perceptions of our verb verbal formulas.
[12:52] So it it's almost I mean it's a
[12:54] challenge for us, right? It's not easy.
[12:56] It's not like we're failing. I think we
[12:58] all have this kind of uh experience
[13:01] where you know be even as the the
[13:04] situation is unfolding even as the
[13:07] moment of our life is unfolding the
[13:09] story starts to be told about what is
[13:12] going on and again the story and the
[13:16] idea is not the same thing as the direct
[13:18] experience
[13:20] and that is what the Chan masters are
[13:22] trying to do that is what Zen to this
[13:24] day is inviting us to do to get beneath
[13:27] the surface and really to feel and
[13:30] inhabit our lives. Kind of like Occupy
[13:33] Wall Street, occupy your life.
[13:36] Um, instead of seeing things and facts
[13:39] as they are, we see them as reflections
[13:41] and verifications of the sentences we
[13:44] have previously made up in our minds. We
[13:47] quickly forget how to simply see things
[13:50] and substitute our words and formulas
[13:52] for the things themselves. manipulate
[13:55] manipulating facts so that we only see
[13:58] what fits our convenient prejudices.
[14:01] Zen uses language against itself to
[14:04] blast out these preconceptions and to
[14:06] destroy the specious reality quote
[14:09] unquote in our minds so that we can see
[14:12] directly.
[14:15] And I think that when you know when we
[14:18] arrive at the shores of our Zen practice
[14:21] or maybe something else some other time
[14:23] in our life, we arrive with this deep
[14:26] longing and yearning to have more
[14:29] intimacy to more have more intimacy with
[14:32] ourselves, to have more intimacy with
[14:34] life, to kind of get out of this way of
[14:38] living where for myself at least, you
[14:40] know, decades of this is where it was
[14:42] all happening above the eyebrows as
[14:45] opposed to a fully embodied experience
[14:47] of what's going on.
[14:50] Um the good news, the very good news
[14:52] about all of this is that we're an
[14:54] excellent company apart from being in
[14:56] each other all of us having this similar
[14:59] experience. Um you know one of our uh
[15:03] key key people in Zen coming later than
[15:05] Chan is Doan and he writes very
[15:09] beautifully in um a fasacle called
[15:14] Giu ei if I can find the quote. Ah yes.
[15:23] What what being attached to Buddha means
[15:28] is that a person has formed an
[15:30] intellectual concept of enlightenment
[15:33] and then becomes attached to this
[15:35] concept and in in their understanding of
[15:38] it because this view accompanies them
[15:42] through each moment. They do not look
[15:44] for the opportunity to let go of this
[15:46] concept and understanding and so they
[15:48] uselessly hold on to this mistaken view.
[15:52] I recall my own indulgence in
[15:55] conceptualization
[15:56] as my tying myself up without a rope. It
[16:00] was a feder at every moment. For the
[16:03] tree of self, all this discursive
[16:06] thinking and conceptualization
[16:08] had not fallen, and the wisteria vines
[16:10] of my entanglements had not withered
[16:12] away. This was simply my passing through
[16:15] life while me meaninglessly imprisoned
[16:19] in a cave of ignorance on the periphery
[16:22] of Buddhism.
[16:24] >> And I love that image. I mean, I'm a big
[16:26] Dogen fan, but I love it when he is so
[16:29] self-revolatory
[16:30] and I can really really relate to him.
[16:33] It's like, oh yeah, I do that, too. It's
[16:35] so encouraging. Right? So, here he is
[16:38] having this concept of what direct
[16:40] experience is of how to manifest our
[16:42] true nature, how to live out of that.
[16:45] And he's saying, I did this, too. I tied
[16:47] myself up with with that with ropes and
[16:50] I buried myself in a cave and I was just
[16:53] feet from real the real thing from
[16:56] Buddha, right?
[16:58] So um so good news he was able to uh to
[17:01] get out of it and and and so are we. So
[17:05] the Chan masters
[17:08] are really trying to shake us up and to
[17:11] wake us up from this type of um
[17:15] routinized thinking. this habituated
[17:17] thinking and feeling in a certain way, a
[17:20] little bit of sleepwalking, although
[17:22] that might be too drastic and too dire a
[17:24] way to to explain it. And [snorts]
[17:27] um and so they come up with these uh
[17:30] these coons, these stories that are
[17:34] emerge out of conversations with each
[17:37] other, right? So we think of them right
[17:39] now perhaps as riddles. You know that
[17:42] the ancients knew these ancient masters
[17:44] they were so much wiser. They were
[17:46] speaking in a particular type of
[17:48] language that seems sounds foreign to us
[17:51] but actually it was just in their
[17:52] everyday language right and they're
[17:54] trying to um in these conversations
[17:58] the master is trying to always point the
[18:01] student out of this conceptualization.
[18:05] So let me give you a uh well let me
[18:07] first uh tell you a couple of uh formal
[18:10] definitions especially for those of you
[18:12] who uh may not be as familiar with
[18:14] coons. Um
[18:17] in uh
[18:20] Thomas Clearary writing a book on
[18:22] meditating with coons he says the answer
[18:25] to a is not a sentence or gesture
[18:28] but the change in the learner's mental
[18:30] state brought about by working with the
[18:33] So this itself is not about
[18:37] finding a true answer but something
[18:39] shifts in us. Something shifts in our
[18:42] perception and our ability to hold
[18:45] paradox and contradiction that actually
[18:48] maybe opens up our space makes us more
[18:52] capacious internally.
[18:54] It doesn't even matter if we ever get
[18:56] back to that that paradox that
[18:59] Maybe it just makes us gives us more
[19:01] capacity to hold life as life is, life
[19:04] as our life is. Um, in order to see into
[19:09] the a we must go beyond the words
[19:12] and ideas that describe reality and
[19:15] directly and intimately experience
[19:18] reality itself. The answer to a is
[19:21] not a fixed piece of information. It is
[19:24] its own intimate and direct experience
[19:27] of the universe and its infinite facets.
[19:31] It is a state of consciousness.
[19:33] And that's from uh from Daido Lori. And
[19:36] then Joan Sutherland says, "A does
[19:39] not seek to resolve an apparent duality
[19:42] by choosing one over the other, but by
[19:44] finding a third option that includes
[19:47] both in something bigger.
[19:50] So, let me give you a couple examples of
[19:52] these um these coons. And I think that
[19:56] that you know, we tend to think maybe of
[19:59] the coons as being particularly uh
[20:02] perplexing
[20:03] um obscure, but actually they come in a
[20:06] lot of different flavors, I think. And I
[20:08] think that Xiao Xiaou offers us um a
[20:11] great uh example of some different ways
[20:14] of working with coons and and how the
[20:16] teacher and the he as a two as a teacher
[20:19] brought forth uh coons. So, uh,
[20:22] sometimes they can just be completely
[20:24] paradoxical, designed to kind of get us
[20:27] off our pins of of thinking that we
[20:29] know, uh, what it is. And always I'm
[20:32] always touched because the student
[20:33] comes, you know, wanting on the one hand
[20:36] to perhaps appear like they're so
[20:38] sincere by asking a really big question.
[20:41] So this monk says, "What about it when I
[20:44] seek to be Buddha?" And the master Ziao
[20:47] in this case says, "What a tremendous
[20:49] waste of energy.
[20:51] >> [laughter]
[20:52] >> The monk said, "What about it when I'm
[20:54] not wasting energy?" The master said,
[20:57] "In that case, you are Buddha." Right?
[21:01] Paradox. You know, we want things to go
[21:04] A to B, B to C, C to D. Right? And this
[21:08] is just getting us out of that habitual
[21:10] way of thinking so that we're not locked
[21:12] into such a small mental or emotional
[21:15] experience of our lives. Sometimes they
[21:18] can be confounding. And I I reference
[21:21] and refer everybody back to Shinszan's a
[21:24] wonderful uh talk that you gave last
[21:26] Wednesday on probably Xiao Xiao's most
[21:29] famous Does a dog a monk asked
[21:33] Xiao Xiao does a dog have Buddha nature
[21:35] or not? And Xiao Xiao replied
[21:38] Moo.
[21:40] That's not Moo like M O.
[21:43] That's moo in a sense of meaning no or
[21:46] nothingness.
[21:47] Um, [clears throat] Shinszan had the
[21:49] wisdom not to give any uh direct answer
[21:52] to what the coan means. I'll follow in
[21:55] that tradition. We all get to figure
[21:56] them out ourselves. But just kind of
[21:58] like a confounding thing. Does a dog
[22:01] have Buddha nature? Moo.
[22:06] Right. Okay. Sometimes they're just
[22:08] about getting right here and having this
[22:11] sense of immediacy.
[22:14] Pay attention. A newly arrived monk said
[22:16] to Zhia Xiao, "I have just entered this
[22:18] monastery. Please give me some
[22:20] instruction." Zia Xhiao asked, "Have you
[22:23] eaten your porridge yet?" The monk
[22:24] replied, "Yes, I have." Zia Xhao said,
[22:27] "Then go wash your bowl."
[22:30] At that moment, the monk was
[22:31] enlightened.
[22:34] So the so the the student comes to the
[22:37] master, "Please give me some
[22:39] instruction. I've traveled. I've
[22:41] pilgrimmed so far to be with you, oh
[22:43] master." And then Xiao Xiao says go wash
[22:47] your bowl.
[22:49] What does he mean? What is this
[22:50] experience? What is it in our lives to
[22:53] just go wash our bowl? Right? And we can
[22:57] think about washing our dishes. You
[22:59] know, Tiknadhan beautifully points to
[23:01] this as a way of practice. Do we wash
[23:04] our dishes just to get through them? Or
[23:07] do we wash our dishes in order to have a
[23:09] direct experience of what our life is in
[23:12] that moment of doing something even as m
[23:15] mundane as washing dishes. To feel the
[23:18] temperature of the water, the contour of
[23:20] the cup or the fork or the spoon, the
[23:24] silkiness of the, you know, soap suds or
[23:26] whatever.
[23:28] We in our conceptualized mind and
[23:31] thinking, we just numb out. We make an
[23:34] immediate judgment that that's not
[23:36] really worth my attention. And what are
[23:38] we saying? That's not my life.
[23:42] I'm at a point in life where when I, you
[23:45] know, I look in the rearview mirror and
[23:46] there's way more road than there is when
[23:49] I look through the windshield. Nothing
[23:51] is to be wasted. But you don't have to
[23:54] wait to be my age to wake up and realize
[23:56] you don't want to numb out. Right? This
[23:59] sense of immediiacy is part and parcel
[24:02] of having our direct experience.
[24:05] Um,
[24:07] how am I doing on time? Pretty good. Um,
[24:11] so here's another one. Ziaho asked a
[24:13] newly arrived monk, "Have you been here
[24:16] before?" The monk said, "No, master."
[24:18] Ziao said, "Go have some tea."
[24:21] He then asked another monk, "Have you
[24:23] been here before?" That monk said, "Yes,
[24:25] I have." Xiao Xiao. And yes, I have. And
[24:28] Xiao Xiao said, "Go have some tea." The
[24:31] monastery director said, "Master, you
[24:33] told the one who hadn't been here to
[24:35] drink tea, and you told the one who had
[24:38] been here to go drink tea. Why do you
[24:40] give them the same answer?" Xiao Xiao
[24:43] looked at him and said, "Director,
[24:46] go have some tea."
[24:47] >> [laughter]
[24:49] >> So, you know, there's a lot that is to
[24:52] be unpacked in all of these. You know,
[24:54] this one, I think, particularly points
[24:56] to non-discrimination.
[24:57] Xiao Xiao is not going to treat the
[24:59] newcomer versus the person who is just
[25:02] just uh who has been here before in a
[25:05] different way. And it's not even going
[25:06] to treat the quote unquote, you know, uh
[25:09] director in a different way. And what is
[25:12] that to go have tea, right? Instead of
[25:14] having instruction, go have tea and
[25:18] taste something and and experience your
[25:21] life. Experience your life through all
[25:24] your senses. Right. Um
[25:28] just a few more. A monk asked and this I
[25:31] I know this has traveled around through
[25:33] several people already in the the uh
[25:35] practice period. A monk asked what is
[25:38] the practice hall like our our Zeno
[25:40] right where we sit. The master said from
[25:43] the practice hall you have come from the
[25:45] practice hall you will go everything
[25:48] everywhere is the practice hall there is
[25:52] no other place
[25:55] so this is particularly I think
[25:56] pertinent for those of us in Zen who are
[26:01] inclined to think you know with all of
[26:02] these beautiful you know this beautiful
[26:05] form and altars and Buddhas all around
[26:09] that I need to be a particular place in
[26:11] in order to practice. But wherever our
[26:14] foot hits the ground, that's our
[26:17] practice hall, right? Everything
[26:19] non-duality.
[26:21] Don't just think because you're here
[26:22] this evening that you're practicing.
[26:25] When you get in your car, when you go,
[26:28] you know, shopping, stand in line at the
[26:31] uh express checkout lane and somebody
[26:34] has 20 items in their basket versus 15.
[26:38] Everywhere is practice.
[26:40] And similarly um uh another one a monk
[26:45] asked what is meditation? The master
[26:47] said it is not meditation. The monk said
[26:51] why is it not meditation? The master
[26:54] said it's alive. It's alive.
[26:58] See the minute that we label something
[27:00] we tend to deaden it. we tend to make it
[27:04] small to fit this preconceived idea that
[27:07] we have this story of what meditation
[27:10] is. And so these coons are trying to
[27:13] just really shake us up and help us to
[27:16] come and really settle in and sink below
[27:18] the surface. And it's really really
[27:21] hard. Not only, you know, the proof that
[27:23] I tried to demonstrate in terms of
[27:26] Dogen's own process of of tying himself
[27:29] up in ropes, but you know, we're born
[27:31] into these human bodies, human minds,
[27:35] and this is our biggest way of
[27:36] communicating with each other. And as I
[27:39] said, words are very beautiful.
[27:42] Gorgeous things happen out of words.
[27:43] Poetry, stories, beautiful
[27:45] conversations, great explanations,
[27:48] right? great understanding of all the
[27:51] wonderful diverse areas of life, but
[27:54] they also really can be very very
[27:56] limiting. And the problem is that we
[28:00] become so habituated in a way in if when
[28:04] this is not examined, we have these
[28:07] ideas, these words run through our heads
[28:10] as ideas and concepts that become fixed
[28:14] and then we think that they're true when
[28:17] the rest of the world is alive and all
[28:19] around us offering us something so
[28:22] fresh, so different,
[28:25] so rich,
[28:27] so much bomb so much bomb to where our
[28:31] conceptual mind goes. Kathy and I are on
[28:34] the back side of the um library and with
[28:38] her help I have started a meditation of
[28:41] just looking out at these beautiful
[28:42] yellow trees right this fall the light
[28:46] the way it changes over the course of a
[28:48] day the um the way that the leaves are
[28:51] changing how there are fewer and fewer
[28:52] of them every day just having a direct
[28:55] experience of that is so refreshing neur
[28:59] neurologically I think it's very
[29:01] refreshing when we do is I think this is
[29:03] why we find so much respit and and
[29:06] refuge in nature because it's offering
[29:08] us something whole and something as
[29:11] quite a radical um
[29:14] difference and option to our
[29:17] conceptualized discursive thinking and
[29:20] it's just beautiful to look at that as
[29:23] opposed to doom scrolling right
[29:27] um and and sometimes the the coons can
[29:30] have a shock value Right. So the in a
[29:33] certain way these can be well you know
[29:34] the the the shouting or striking that I
[29:37] I mentioned they can can occur. So um I
[29:41] I couldn't find a really um uh
[29:44] stridident one from from Xiaou. I think
[29:46] Xiao tends to be and and I'll defer to
[29:49] to Kathy and Shinszan to maybe explain
[29:51] this and talk about it later but I think
[29:54] Xiaoa was a different sort of person
[29:56] than these you know hardcore maybe macho
[29:59] type of of cho masters. I think he had
[30:02] well one he lived to be very old. He
[30:04] lived to be 120 years old. So he had a
[30:07] lot of practice but I think his
[30:08] temperament was quite quite different.
[30:11] He was very happy to live in a very
[30:13] rather forlororn monastery. He had he
[30:16] was very happy to live with his teacher
[30:17] and practice with his teacher for almost
[30:20] 40 years. He was very happy to settle in
[30:23] to intimacy and into authenticity.
[30:27] Right. Um so at any rate but this is an
[30:30] example of kind of a shock cohan. This
[30:32] is human who follows um uh um Xiaoa by
[30:36] by some years. A student says to uh
[30:39] human, what is Buddha? And human says a
[30:43] shitstick.
[30:46] That's pretty shocking.
[30:48] [laughter]
[30:48] I'm going to take some of your silence
[30:50] as being shocked. You know what does
[30:52] that mean? Why would a master say
[30:54] something like that? How does it land on
[30:56] you?
[30:57] beyond your immediate response of oh
[31:00] gross or disgusting or whatever what's
[31:03] there what's there you know zen is not
[31:06] about
[31:08] knowledge although some knowledge can
[31:10] help words can help it creates kind of a
[31:13] scaffolding around us to get us started
[31:15] and then at some point we have to break
[31:17] the scaffolding down and push it away
[31:21] zen is not a noun zen is a verb
[31:25] the way is not something we can capture
[31:28] and understand and graduate to. It is a
[31:32] way of being. One of one of the best
[31:36] definitions I have come across
[31:40] um actually does not come from a Zen
[31:44] master but comes from uh Winnott who was
[31:46] a child psychologist and talking about
[31:49] the early years of being a child and how
[31:52] we want to as adults return to the state
[31:55] of being he says what we're returning to
[31:58] is this uninterrupted flow of authentic
[32:02] self
[32:04] and And I think that's what this direct
[32:06] experience is. I think that's what Zen
[32:09] and Coons are pointing us toward. How
[32:12] can we have this uninterrupted flow
[32:17] of authentic self without all the layers
[32:20] of conceptualization?
[32:24] Um, so but but to bring Xiao Xiao into
[32:26] the conversation on potentially a little
[32:29] shock value, he was asked by a student,
[32:32] what is the what is the spiritual? To
[32:35] which he replies, a puddle of piss in
[32:38] the pure land. And then the student
[32:41] goes, um, wait, I ask you to reveal it
[32:45] this to me. And Zia, says, don't tempt
[32:49] me.
[32:50] >> [laughter]
[32:51] >> So, he had a wonderful sense of humor,
[32:53] but also like let's get real. You could
[32:56] have a direct experience momentarily if
[32:58] you're if you're not careful. Um, what
[33:01] time are we going to end? 6:30. Um, Jim.
[33:04] Yeah. Okay.
[33:06] So um
[33:09] this this invitation, this timehonored
[33:12] invitation
[33:14] which certainly arrives and and is um
[33:18] manifested and articulated in a certain
[33:21] way in the Chan period is still this
[33:25] invitation that we have right now right
[33:27] here in 2026
[33:31] Santa Fe or wherever our dear friends in
[33:34] the Maha Sanga are across the world,
[33:39] you know, and I think that Dogen
[33:41] captures it in his coan, which is a
[33:44] longer coan, this wonderful and
[33:46] beautiful fasacle called the Ganjo Coan.
[33:50] And if you haven't read that, I do
[33:53] highly recommend that you read that.
[33:54] It's or better yet, have somebody read
[33:56] it to you. It's just just a beautiful
[33:58] piece. But Dogen says when you find your
[34:02] place
[34:04] where you are practice occurs
[34:07] actualizing the fundamental point that
[34:10] you are in that moment you are in
[34:12] complete connection with that moment.
[34:15] When practice occurs,
[34:17] when you find yourself in this place,
[34:20] wherever that place is, practice occurs,
[34:23] actualizing this fundamental point to
[34:26] get out of the head to, you know, to to
[34:29] to actually sink into this broader and
[34:33] fuller experience of just being here
[34:35] right now. Somebody earlier, I think it
[34:38] was in the u the ENSO that we had with
[34:41] the online people, somebody said, you
[34:43] know, their way of expressing it is just
[34:46] relax just as it is. Just as it is. And
[34:50] these are all dharma gates to freedom.
[34:54] They hold up a mirror so that we get to
[34:57] see what's our reaction to that, right?
[35:01] How does that feel? Why do I feel that?
[35:04] What's the word? What's the turning
[35:05] phrase in that I cannot understand or
[35:08] grasp this but is there something
[35:10] in there that resonates for me? What is
[35:13] that? You don't have to take the whole
[35:14] thing on, right? You can take it on bit
[35:17] by bit.
[35:19] Um, I want to just take uh these last
[35:21] few moments to to offer uh a a slightly
[35:25] different perspective on coons. And this
[35:29] comes directly from my own teacher
[35:32] Darlene Cohen. and um from from her
[35:36] practice. And at the end of her life uh
[35:39] as she was dying, she wanted to
[35:42] summarize for us the things that she
[35:44] thought were the most important and
[35:46] helpful tools that would help us all in
[35:49] this process of finding our authentic
[35:52] life and becoming intimate with it. Hi
[35:54] Lyn.
[35:56] Um and she loved coons and I think maybe
[36:00] the fox coan was her favorite. But what
[36:03] she really really loved and what she
[36:04] brought to us was a different slightly
[36:07] different version of these, but she
[36:08] called them personal coons. Right? And
[36:12] let me read you the the how she would
[36:14] introduce it to us. And this is a quote
[36:16] from a uh a master
[36:20] uh Wooin from 1040 who lived 1043 to 11
[36:24] uh 14. So uh moving into the song
[36:27] dynasty but eminent monks eminent people
[36:34] investigate what's right under your
[36:37] feet. Contemplate it. Get to the bottom
[36:40] of it. What is the truth of it? Keep
[36:43] investigating and investigating.
[36:46] Suddenly the mind flower will send forth
[36:48] light shining through all the worlds in
[36:51] the 10 directions. Then it can be said
[36:53] that when decisive insight is attained
[36:56] from mind, it responds readily at hand.
[37:00] After that, you will be able to
[37:01] transform the earth into gold and turn
[37:04] the rivers into clarified butter. How
[37:06] could you not be content and happy for
[37:09] life? But I love this um this um
[37:14] exhorting us to investigate what's right
[37:17] beneath our feet. So if you find that
[37:20] the the the the coons from the chan
[37:23] masters don't necessarily resonate, just
[37:27] turn to right here, right now in terms
[37:29] of what is going on for you.
[37:32] Do you find that you're particularly
[37:34] absur uh upset about something? Not to
[37:38] find the answer. Right? The is not
[37:41] about trying to make 1 + 1 equal two.
[37:44] What's going on? What is it? What is
[37:48] this thing?
[37:49] You know, Zen is exhorting us to look
[37:52] more deeply, to feel more deeply, not to
[37:56] try and just jump at something from the
[37:59] mind and say, "There, I've got it." To
[38:03] actually really allow ourselves to be
[38:05] permeated by it. For myself, and I
[38:09] didn't know that this was my until
[38:11] she told me that it was. Um, my was
[38:15] was fear.
[38:17] I had grown up in a particular
[38:19] environment where being young, fear was
[38:22] actually a reasonable and a smart
[38:24] response. But by the time you get to be
[38:27] 20 or 30 or so, living from that type of
[38:30] a place that is habituated,
[38:32] right? You don't see a difference.
[38:35] Things haven't changed. It doesn't
[38:37] really serve you anymore, right? And so
[38:39] she said to me, you know, you don't have
[38:42] to be so fearful. And I was completely
[38:45] at a loss. And I said, "I'm not fearful.
[38:49] I was extremely competent. I was able to
[38:52] navigate my life very, very fluidly."
[38:55] And she said, "You hide behind your
[38:57] competence. You hide your fear behind
[39:00] your competence. That's how you navigate
[39:03] your life. That's how you're able to
[39:04] manage interactions with people, right?"
[39:09] And she set me on a course of about a
[39:11] year of asking and paying attention
[39:14] largely through my own sense reactions,
[39:18] putting my hand on the doororknob before
[39:20] I walk into a room where I don't know
[39:21] people or equally fearful sometimes
[39:25] where I did know the people. What is
[39:27] this? Why do I feel this way? Why does
[39:30] fear come up? Is that so? You know, it
[39:34] served me at one point, but decades
[39:36] later, do I still need to live this way?
[39:40] How can I find my freedom from all of
[39:42] this? So, just a small option if you are
[39:45] are at all interested and uh finding
[39:49] that maybe you want to turn toward a
[39:52] different way of working with coants.
[39:54] Take something up in your own life.
[39:56] Maybe noticing how your mind habitually
[39:58] goes to I don't like that or the world
[40:02] is unfair or we'll never get out of
[40:05] this.
[40:06] Right? I'll never be loved. I'll never
[40:09] find somebody to love. It can manifest
[40:12] in all kinds of ways. Turn toward that
[40:15] and take that on as your
[40:18] Meanwhile, I thank you for your kind
[40:20] attention.