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[0:00] If your personality's made of how you
[0:02] think,
[0:03] how you act, and how you feel, is it
[0:05] possible if I begin to change the way I
[0:08] think, change the way I act, and change
[0:10] the way I I feel, should my life change?
[0:15] Hello and welcome to another episode of
[0:16] the Mark Grove podcast. Today, I have
[0:18] been looking forward to this episode for
[0:20] quite some time. It's with Dr. Joe
[0:22] Dispenza, who is a New York Times
[0:24] best-selling author, researcher,
[0:26] lecturer, and corporate consultant whose
[0:28] research has led him to develop a
[0:30] practical formula to help people
[0:32] transform their lives.
[0:34] Ah, I'm so excited to have you here.
[0:36] Welcome. Oh, thank you, Mark. I'm happy
[0:37] to be with you. I feel like I already
[0:39] know you quite well, but not on a
[0:41] personal level just because your voice
[0:42] has been in my ears so much, and the
[0:45] meditations have just been incredible,
[0:47] and I read your book You Are the Placebo
[0:49] years ago and was really drawn to
[0:52] Becoming Supernatural more recently. A
[0:55] friend of mine recommended I hadn't read
[0:56] it yet, and I dove deep into the
[0:58] meditations, and
[1:00] you know, I listened to an interview
[1:01] that you did not too long ago where you
[1:03] were talking about the circumstances of
[1:06] the world and not allowing them or us to
[1:09] become a victim of them, and
[1:11] I just thought, based on what everyone
[1:13] has collectively been through, maybe you
[1:15] could explain that a little more, and
[1:17] and what is the process? Cuz I was
[1:19] really inspired by what you said in in
[1:21] choosing how we respond to it. Being
[1:24] victimized by a circumstance in your
[1:26] life literally means that that that
[1:28] event, that circumstance, that person
[1:31] that condition is actually causing you
[1:34] to feel emotionally and think in terms
[1:39] of memories equal to that circumstance,
[1:42] and that circumstance is actually
[1:44] changes your state of being. So, you're
[1:47] thinking the same way, and you're
[1:48] feeling the same way, and your response
[1:50] to the environment is the same, we can
[1:52] guarantee that your life is going to
[1:54] stay the same because you're the same.
[1:56] You ask that person, "Why are you
[1:58] unhappy? Why are you frustrated? Why are
[2:00] you sad?" They'll say the this this
[2:02] condition, this this this person is
[2:04] actually making me feel and think this
[2:07] way. Well, anything that makes us feel
[2:08] and think a certain way that we don't
[2:10] think we have any control over,
[2:12] for the most part, we're victims. So,
[2:13] we're as a species become victimized by
[2:16] the conditions in our life, and it's the
[2:18] environment then that is controlling the
[2:21] way we feel and the way we think. So,
[2:23] the idea is if you can change the way
[2:26] you think and change the way you feel,
[2:28] could you begin to produce outcomes or
[2:32] effects in your life that cause you to
[2:35] believe that you're the creator of your
[2:37] life instead of the victim of your life,
[2:39] which means then you would have to think
[2:42] greater than that circumstance, and you
[2:45] would have to feel differently in the
[2:47] presence of that circumstance. And if
[2:49] you truly could
[2:51] and begin to create an outcome, the
[2:54] synchronicity, the serendipity, the
[2:56] coincidence that happens in your life,
[2:59] you're going to pay attention to what
[3:00] you did, and you're going to realize
[3:02] that on some level you had a hand in
[3:04] that, you know, that you were a
[3:05] participant in that. Our interest is to
[3:07] teach people how to to to reverse that
[3:10] process.
[3:11] Every person, every circumstance, every
[3:14] condition, every place, every object
[3:16] that you own is mapped neurologically in
[3:18] your brain. So, your brain is a record
[3:19] of the past. It's
[3:21] it's an artifact, a repository of
[3:23] everything you've learned intellectually
[3:25] or experienced. End products of
[3:27] experience are called emotions. The
[3:29] memories that we have in our life
[3:30] produces familiar emotions, or our
[3:33] response to anybody that we know in our
[3:35] life, there's a neurological network for
[3:37] your boss, for your co-worker, for your
[3:39] ex.
[3:40] And for most people, their their their
[3:43] interaction in the environment is
[3:45] causing their environment to control
[3:47] their thinking, or their personal
[3:49] reality
[3:50] is controlling their personality. So,
[3:52] our interest is to see is so, if your
[3:54] personality's made of how you think,
[3:57] how you act, and how you feel,
[3:59] is it possible if I begin to change the
[4:02] way I think, change the way I act, and
[4:04] change the way I I feel, should my life
[4:07] change? Because I'm changing, and so the
[4:09] interest for us then is to be able to
[4:11] meet the challenges and conditions in
[4:13] our life from a greater level of
[4:15] consciousness and and not be victimized
[4:18] by those circumstances, but to take time
[4:21] and and to review how you're going to
[4:23] think, how you're going to act, and how
[4:24] you're going to feel. That's meditation,
[4:27] and review how you're not going to
[4:29] think, you know, how you're not going to
[4:31] act, and how you're not going to feel.
[4:33] It just turns out that tends to be 95%
[4:35] of who we are those unconscious
[4:37] programs. So, it's so much easier to
[4:39] forget than to remember because it's the
[4:42] majority of who we are, you know, after
[4:44] a certain point in our life. So,
[4:45] changing that process, the overcoming
[4:48] process of that same self, somehow
[4:52] begins to produce effects in people's
[4:54] lives, and that's that's kind of the
[4:55] exciting part about being a creator of
[4:58] your life. Yeah, my experience from
[5:00] doing your meditations, I mean, I've
[5:01] done them almost every morning for the
[5:03] last
[5:04] 40 days, and I've noticed a giant state
[5:08] change in in how I'm starting my day,
[5:11] and also the awareness of when martyrdom
[5:15] or victimhood or like that kind of stuff
[5:17] is coming up, and I don't like the
[5:18] feelings that come with it now that I've
[5:20] had this taste, I guess, of now I'm
[5:23] living in this more state of bliss, and
[5:25] I'm curious what your work and your
[5:26] research has shown in your experience.
[5:29] I'm 44, and you know, I didn't know that
[5:31] there was this like the pandemic kind of
[5:34] magnified a state of victimization or
[5:37] martyrdom within me that I didn't
[5:39] realize was still there. Like I have
[5:41] these tools, I have a
[5:43] but being as as inspired and also as
[5:46] intentional as I've been through your
[5:48] work and through reading your book,
[5:50] I am noticing a massive change. So, I'm
[5:52] curious what I'm exper- like I'm
[5:53] experiencing this physiologically and
[5:56] mentally, but what's actually going on
[5:58] in that change or transformation? There
[6:00] are
[6:01] many, many people in our community that
[6:03] during the pandemic didn't see the
[6:06] circumstances from a state of being a
[6:08] victim. They started new careers.
[6:10] Yeah. They learned a ton of new things.
[6:12] They practiced a bunch of new things.
[6:13] They got better at something. For them,
[6:16] it was really instrumental. And that's
[6:17] the person who who sees possibility when
[6:20] when nobody else actually sees it. If
[6:22] you're really interested in making
[6:26] certain changes in yourself and in your
[6:28] life,
[6:29] when you practice then
[6:31] thinking different ways, and and if you
[6:34] say, "What do I want to believe in?"
[6:36] Well, the process of just closing your
[6:38] eyes and with intention and attention,
[6:42] remind yourself that you want to think
[6:44] this way. You keep doing that, you'll
[6:46] you'll start thinking that way. If you
[6:47] start rehearsing in your mind how you're
[6:49] going to be with your co-worker, how
[6:51] you're going to be with your different
[6:53] circumstances or people in your life,
[6:54] and you you rehearse the act of how you
[6:57] could evolve your experience, the act of
[6:59] rehearsing is changing your brain. It's
[7:01] It's installing circuitry to look like
[7:03] you've already experienced it. When you
[7:05] say, "God, I'm so tired of feeling
[7:07] frustrated. I'm so tired of feeling
[7:09] unhappy. I'm so tired of feeling
[7:11] unworthy.
[7:12] Um how do I want to feel?" And you start
[7:16] creating those feelings
[7:18] independent of any reliance on your
[7:21] external word world. No one's making you
[7:24] feel that way. You're actually making
[7:25] yourself feel that way.
[7:26] You start doing that enough times, and
[7:28] you're going to start feeling that way.
[7:29] You're going to start you're going to
[7:31] start becoming that person. So, when
[7:32] that occurs, if a person immerses
[7:35] themselves in the process for 7 days, we
[7:38] our data shows
[7:39] that that in 7 days, if you think
[7:41] differently, if you make different
[7:43] choices, you do different things, you
[7:44] create different experiences, and you
[7:46] feel new emotions,
[7:48] you are going to be a different person.
[7:50] Your biology is going to suggest, before
[7:53] your life even changes, your biology is
[7:56] going to suggest in 7 days that your
[7:58] body's literally believing it's living
[8:00] in a whole new reality. Keep that up for
[8:02] an extended period of time, that starts
[8:05] feeling a lot better than feeling some
[8:06] of the other the emotions that people
[8:09] typically feel, and you notice the
[8:11] distinction between when you're there
[8:12] and when you're not.
[8:13] So true. The studious person goes, "This
[8:16] This is God, this is so familiar. This
[8:19] is so me, old me. I don't want to be
[8:21] that. I'm going to get back to feeling
[8:22] this feeling. I'm actually making myself
[8:24] happy." Then something weird happens cuz
[8:27] you're no longer waiting for your life
[8:29] to change to feel happy. You're actually
[8:31] creating happiness independent of what's
[8:33] going on in your life. Watch out what
[8:35] happens in your world cuz your world
[8:37] begins to change in these
[8:39] wonderful and mysterious and
[8:40] synchronistic ways because
[8:43] that's the effect of your changing
[8:44] energy, and nobody changes in their life
[8:46] until they change, right? Nothing can
[8:49] possibly change in their life until they
[8:51] change.
[8:52] And so, we teach people the model of
[8:54] change so that that exact thing happens
[8:57] just like for you. You start noticing
[8:59] feeling your you're not feeling that way
[9:01] any longer, and you don't like it, and
[9:03] you want to go back to feeling that way.
[9:05] When people are feel whole and happy for
[9:08] for no reason, they they want less, and
[9:11] they rely on less on other people to
[9:13] make them feel happy. They can actually
[9:15] feel happy on their own, and nobody's
[9:17] nobody's making them feel happy when
[9:19] they do this. They're actually making
[9:21] themselves happy. It's It's a There's a
[9:23] freedom that takes place with that.
[9:25] Staying there then is the mastery. So,
[9:28] you could have a great meditation. You
[9:30] can fire and wire those circuits in your
[9:32] brain till they become a new belief. You
[9:34] can rehearse how you're going to be in
[9:35] your life. You're going to feel those
[9:37] the feelings and those emotions, but
[9:41] when you get done with your meditation,
[9:43] you go back to the old personality, you
[9:45] still you default. The question is, how
[9:47] many times do you have to forget Mhm.
[9:50] until you stop forgetting and start
[9:52] remembering? That's the real moment of
[9:54] change. 95% of those hardwired thoughts
[9:57] or beliefs
[9:59] or perceptions, those
[10:01] unconscious habits or behaviors or those
[10:03] automatic emotional responses, that 95%
[10:07] is the identity that we have to overcome
[10:09] in order to become that new person.
[10:11] And you got to start really getting
[10:13] conscious of those unconscious thoughts,
[10:15] so conscious of them that you don't go
[10:17] unconscious.
[10:18] Become so aware of how you speak, so
[10:21] conscious of how you're acting that you
[10:23] catch yourself in the act of default and
[10:26] you
[10:26] begin to change that, you know.
[10:28] And and you got to look, "Oh God, how do
[10:30] What do I feel every day?
[10:32] What is it What do If I look at how I
[10:35] feel every day,
[10:36] do I really want to feel this way?" And
[10:38] the more conscious you become of those
[10:40] feelings,
[10:41] the less unconscious you'll go in your
[10:43] waking day, and that's the unlearning
[10:45] process. And that's where people usually
[10:47] give up because they think they're doing
[10:49] their meditations wrong, and they're
[10:52] actually doing it right. They're They're
[10:53] coming up against the automatic self
[10:55] that really the program self, the
[10:57] unconscious self that that they
[10:59] literally have to change. And so if they
[11:01] if they stick around long enough to
[11:04] decide that they no longer want to think
[11:06] that way or act that way or feel that
[11:08] way,
[11:09] the discomfort that's created from that
[11:11] process is a biological change that
[11:13] takes place in the body.
[11:15] The body's starving from its normal
[11:17] chemistry. It's not firing and wiring
[11:19] the same circuits. You're not signaling
[11:21] the same genes. The body's leaving known
[11:23] and familiar territory. And this is
[11:26] where most people say, "I can't
[11:27] meditate. It doesn't feel right." But
[11:29] then and we know that if you actually
[11:31] sit in that and you ask yourself, "Is
[11:34] there something on the other side of
[11:35] that?" That's when the brain changes the
[11:37] most.
[11:38] That's when the body changes the most.
[11:40] And
[11:41] and we now know that when you
[11:44] do this enough times, in 7 days there's
[11:47] so many biological changes that take
[11:49] place
[11:50] in the person that begin to cause a lot
[11:54] of
[11:55] growth and repair in their in their
[11:56] physical bodies. I'm curious, uh why is
[11:59] it that as humans we default to this
[12:02] fear-based thinking? Like when I think
[12:04] about the practice of in the meditation
[12:06] where I, you know, bring in a a
[12:08] heightened emotion like gratitude or
[12:10] love, why is it that that has to be
[12:12] programmed versus like why can't I just
[12:15] figure out if I want to program fear or
[12:17] not? I'd like to just stay in the state
[12:19] of love, and I do recognize that through
[12:21] the practice of the meditations that has
[12:23] now occurred.
[12:25] And why
[12:26] do I after all the work go backwards? Is
[12:29] there like more healing that needs to
[12:31] occur? I'm curious about that. Yeah, I
[12:33] don't know I don't know if I would call
[12:35] it healing.
[12:37] It's so hard-wired in us as a species
[12:39] that's lived in survival for
[12:42] for so many thousands of years. And
[12:45] in survival, you know, fear is really
[12:47] adaptive.
[12:48] If you want to survive, that chemical
[12:50] rush is telling you that there's danger
[12:52] or there's a threat.
[12:54] And to run from that danger or stay off
[12:57] and face the conflict, you know, that
[12:59] was kind of the model of of survival of
[13:02] the fittest. So when we perceive the
[13:04] problems and challenges in our life and
[13:06] it evokes fear, right? Like and because
[13:09] we don't think we can control it or we
[13:11] can't predict it or it looks like things
[13:13] could get worse.
[13:14] That's what turns on that primitive
[13:16] nervous system that puts you in a state
[13:18] of alarm, in a state of arousal. And
[13:21] we're just been bred for thousands of
[13:24] years to to live in survival. And turns
[13:27] out that when we we live in those states
[13:29] for extended periods of time,
[13:32] it has biological felt effects on the
[13:34] health of the body. But
[13:36] but to the person, the arousal then
[13:38] becomes something stimulating.
[13:40] So without knowing it, they they start
[13:44] relying on the response to stimulate
[13:46] their body, to to keep it awake, to keep
[13:48] it alive. And then they can think about
[13:50] their problems in the same exact way and
[13:53] produce that arousal and keep the body
[13:55] in a state of a you know, state of
[13:57] emergency.
[13:59] Turns out it gets a little addictive
[14:00] after a while. And and then we start
[14:02] using the people and problems in our
[14:04] life to reaffirm that addiction to that
[14:06] emotion. And we're addicted to the a
[14:09] life a miserable life we don't even
[14:11] like, you know. And and that's why
[14:13] change becomes so hard because that
[14:15] becomes the known, that becomes the
[14:17] familiar. And you're always
[14:19] you know, we anticipating the next
[14:20] moment, but that's a default. It's
[14:22] hard-wired in the human being because
[14:25] survival was adaptive at one point. But
[14:27] fast forward to now and and the
[14:30] conditions and are no longer T-Rex
[14:33] chasing you. They're just a little bit
[14:34] more complex.
[14:36] And it requires a lot of uncertainty and
[14:38] a lot of unpredictability, and that's
[14:40] exactly what creates the hormones of
[14:42] stress. So
[14:44] our response to the environment has to
[14:45] change. And that's what we practice
[14:47] doing it because
[14:49] when you're no longer responding to the
[14:51] same conditions in the same emotional
[14:53] way, I think when you master your
[14:55] emotions, you master your creations. You
[14:58] Things start to change in your life. But
[15:01] it goes against thousands of years of of
[15:04] programming to feel love. You know, you
[15:06] just don't open your heart in the
[15:07] jungle. It's just not You just can't
[15:10] trust all the time, you know. You better
[15:12] get prepared for the worst thing that
[15:13] could happen in your life because it it
[15:15] happened and it could happen again, and
[15:17] you better
[15:18] get ready for that.
[15:19] And so we do this automatically because
[15:22] that's 200 years ago, 300 years ago it
[15:25] wasn't easy being human.
[15:27] So there's a there's a lot of adaptive
[15:30] mechanisms for survival. And and the
[15:32] world is changing. And we can't face
[15:35] those um
[15:37] problems that or challenges in our life
[15:39] in the same level of consciousness.
[15:41] So we discovered that that if you really
[15:43] truly start mastering those
[15:46] survival emotions that are fear or anger
[15:49] or hostility or violence
[15:51] or pain or suffering or guilt or shame,
[15:55] you start practicing mastering those
[15:58] emotions, there's significant changes in
[16:01] in people's health. And if they can
[16:03] begin to change trade those emotions for
[16:06] elevated emotions. And if they can do
[16:08] this really well, and we
[16:10] we work on people getting into that
[16:12] state where they can relax in their
[16:14] heart.
[16:14] Mhm. If they can literally work with
[16:16] their body and get beyond the arousal
[16:18] and the frustrations, and and they just
[16:20] keep sticking with it, energy naturally
[16:23] moves to the heart. When the moment that
[16:24] happens, the heart literally sends a
[16:27] very profound signal to the brain. It's
[16:29] informing the brain it's it's a great
[16:33] time to create. That state of being
[16:35] relaxed in the heart and awake in the
[16:37] brain
[16:38] is actually the formula we discovered
[16:40] when the person really can do some
[16:42] really cool things. You want to get
[16:44] really good at doing it with our eyes
[16:47] closed
[16:49] that we can start doing it with our eyes
[16:50] open.
[16:51] And that's when you begin to show the
[16:53] world there's another way of living
[16:55] instead of unconscious, you know,
[16:57] stressed out and living in a program.
[16:59] Yeah, I don't think we often consider
[17:02] the impact of staying in the old state.
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[18:29] One of the things that you said, and I I
[18:31] might not get the words exactly right,
[18:32] but in your book that really struck me
[18:35] was that essentially a human can't stay
[18:37] suspended in that level of stress, in
[18:40] that level of uncertainty for a period
[18:43] of time without it having an impact on
[18:44] my health. And I I was mountain biking
[18:46] as I was listening to your book, and I
[18:49] was thinking to myself, "Man, what genes
[18:51] have I turned on with this heightened
[18:54] level of fear and and things?" And then
[18:56] what you said about evolution and
[18:58] fearing for life and all those things
[19:00] that have have come, you know, maybe
[19:01] more front and center. And I watch the
[19:03] news more. I never watched the news
[19:05] before. And all of a sudden I was like
[19:06] on Twitter learning things that were
[19:08] just I can tell now, based on what
[19:10] you're saying, that I was addicted to
[19:12] the sort of rush I was getting. Even
[19:14] though I wasn't feeling great after, I
[19:17] had also then had this awareness just
[19:18] through the way that you framed things,
[19:21] that if I turn them on,
[19:24] then I can turn them off. And if I turn
[19:26] those off, I can turn other ones on. So
[19:29] can you maybe speak to
[19:31] what is the cost that it has on the
[19:33] human system? And then like what is
[19:35] possible from
[19:37] this work? And because I feel like I'm
[19:40] feeling the effects of it, and I want
[19:42] other people to recognize too what they
[19:44] can change in their lives and their
[19:45] circumstances. When we live in that
[19:47] state of stress and we live in that
[19:49] state of survival, and we switch on that
[19:52] primitive nervous system, we're
[19:53] mobilizing enormous amounts of energy to
[19:57] prepare for that danger or threat so you
[19:59] can run, fight, or hide and it's really
[20:01] adaptive as I said when you're being
[20:03] chased by T-Rex.
[20:06] But stress is when your brain and body
[20:08] are knocked out of homeostasis. Stress
[20:10] is when your brain and body are knocked
[20:12] out of balance. There's an innate
[20:14] mechanism to return the body back into
[20:17] balance and homeostasis and that's
[20:19] called health, right?
[20:20] Mhm.
[20:21] But when the body's out of balance and
[20:22] it's mobilizing all of its resources,
[20:25] that state of imbalance then is really
[20:28] to help it to survive in those
[20:30] conditions and it needs all the energy
[20:31] that it can possibly get. So it works
[20:34] really well. Problem is is that if
[20:37] you're reacting to a co-worker
[20:40] or the traffic or the news, you're
[20:43] putting on that same system and that
[20:45] arousal becomes addictive, right? So
[20:48] and then we rely on those things to make
[20:50] us feel more of those emotions and
[20:52] become subconscious, it becomes it
[20:54] becomes conditioned.
[20:56] And you can think about the problems in
[20:58] your life and do the exact same thing.
[21:00] You can turn on that same system and
[21:03] and the long-term effects of living in
[21:05] that state of emergency
[21:08] down regulates and creates disease. It's
[21:10] a scientific fact. The body can't live
[21:12] in that state of emergency all the time.
[21:14] It burns out. And if you're thinking
[21:16] about your problems, then
[21:18] it means then that your thoughts can
[21:21] make you sick, you know, literally and
[21:23] that's that's the outcome. So, is it
[21:26] possible then if your thoughts can make
[21:27] you sick, your thoughts can make you
[21:29] well?
[21:30] And that's exactly what our research
[21:32] shows.
[21:33] You keep thinking the same way, you keep
[21:35] making the same choices, you keep doing
[21:37] the same things, you keep having the
[21:39] same experiences and reacting to the
[21:41] same conditions with the same emotions,
[21:43] for the most part your genes and your
[21:45] brain and everything is going to stay
[21:46] the same in your blood values cuz you're
[21:49] the same. So then, the process of
[21:51] thinking differently, making different
[21:53] choices, doing different things,
[21:54] creating different experiences, and
[21:56] feeling different emotions, if you do
[21:58] that for 7 days,
[22:00] you have significant changes that take
[22:02] place on a cellular level on your brain
[22:05] and in just about every part of your
[22:07] biology because you're you're you're
[22:09] making those changes.
[22:11] Our discoveries really have to do with
[22:14] showing people that their nervous system
[22:17] is
[22:18] the greatest pharmacy
[22:20] in the world that it that it makes
[22:22] chemicals that work better than any
[22:24] drug. We can say that with with such
[22:27] certainty when a person moves into into
[22:30] into these states.
[22:32] The practical part of it all the time is
[22:35] is the daily practice.
[22:37] People in our work that do this work,
[22:39] they do it really because
[22:41] they understand what they're doing and
[22:43] why they're doing it. And when you
[22:45] combine the what and the why, the how
[22:47] tends to get easier. So as they go
[22:49] through this transformation of daily cuz
[22:51] it's it sounds to me like this requires
[22:53] that level of responsibility. Like a
[22:56] level of responsibility to say
[22:58] no longer am I going to just let my
[23:00] circumstances and my health be what they
[23:02] are.
[23:03] I'm actually going to take active steps
[23:06] and change and that
[23:07] I love what you said about the nervous
[23:09] system being sort of the greatest
[23:12] pharmacy because I don't think we know
[23:14] the power of
[23:17] our bodies, the power of our health, the
[23:18] power of coherence. Yeah. Well, that's a
[23:21] great question because the people who
[23:23] are living in stress or living in
[23:24] survival, as they try to control and
[23:27] predict everything that takes place in
[23:29] their life, every person, every object,
[23:31] every circumstance has a neurological
[23:33] network in the brain and the arousal of
[23:35] the stress hormones
[23:37] shifts our attention very quickly to all
[23:39] these elements in our lives and our
[23:40] brains literally start firing out of
[23:42] order. They start firing
[23:44] like a lightning storm in the clouds
[23:46] very incoherently and networks of
[23:48] neurons start working separately from
[23:50] one another. They compartmentalize.
[23:52] When the brain is incoherent, we're
[23:54] incoherent. When the brain isn't working
[23:55] right, we're not working right. The
[23:57] heart, which is now pumping an enormous
[23:59] amount of blood against a closed system,
[24:02] the the arteries aren't
[24:04] you're not running, you're not fighting.
[24:06] So the pressure against the heart causes
[24:09] the heart to beat very incoherently.
[24:12] Mhm. And in that state, energy goes down
[24:14] in the heart. Incoherence creates a loss
[24:17] of energy both in the heart and the
[24:18] brain. So that kind of dysregulation
[24:22] that takes place in the nervous system
[24:25] begins to send very incoherent messages
[24:27] through the autonomic nervous system to
[24:29] all the cells and tissues and organs in
[24:31] the body and the brain is now
[24:33] really overfocused. You know, when
[24:35] you're under stress, you're really
[24:37] thinking a lot. You're thinking about
[24:38] the same thing over and over again. It's
[24:40] looping. And that looping actually
[24:42] within that emotional state is actually
[24:43] driving your brain to become more and
[24:45] more analytical and moving into very
[24:47] high brainwave states.
[24:50] You're narrowing your focus on something
[24:52] and that's what we do when
[24:54] the arousal of stress causes us to
[24:55] pinpoint our focus on a person, on a
[24:58] circumstance, on a problem, a thought,
[24:59] whatever it is. That that cycle then is
[25:02] continuously causing the body to move
[25:04] out of balance just because
[25:06] the brain and the heart are sending
[25:08] signals to the body that are
[25:10] that the cells don't understand. It's
[25:11] not coherent. That's autonomic
[25:14] dysregulation. We discovered that when
[25:16] you do something really cool, you
[25:18] you go from a narrow focus on something
[25:22] that's known or something that's
[25:24] material and you broaden your focus. You
[25:27] expand your focus and you focus on
[25:29] nothing. You're focusing on the
[25:31] immaterial on on instead of everything
[25:34] that you know, the unknown.
[25:36] The act of broadening your focus
[25:38] starts to cause the brain to fire
[25:41] in greater levels of coherence, in
[25:43] greater levels of of order. When your
[25:45] brain's coherent, you're more coherent.
[25:47] And so the networks that were firing
[25:50] incoherently
[25:51] out of order start to synchronize. They
[25:53] start to unify. They start to move in a
[25:56] cadence, in a rhythm and they're moving
[25:58] at the same frequency and they start
[26:00] exchanging the same information and the
[26:02] brain starts getting more whole.
[26:04] And that feels really good to the
[26:07] autonomic nervous system.
[26:09] At the same time, if the person's not
[26:11] thinking thoughts that are making them
[26:13] feel angry or frustrated or happy,
[26:16] unhappy, or they're not remembering
[26:18] experiences that make them feel bad or
[26:20] feel or guilty or feel depressed,
[26:23] and they're not thinking about anything
[26:25] else that has to do with their identity,
[26:28] energy naturally starts to move into the
[26:30] heart. When the person starts feeling
[26:32] energy in the heart, they start really
[26:33] falling in love with the moment. That
[26:36] movement of energy is moving exactly
[26:38] where it should move, where where
[26:40] polarities and opposites start to
[26:42] produce more wholeness and the person
[26:44] starts feeling more whole.
[26:46] We see this over and over again in our
[26:48] scans. That feeling of being feeling
[26:50] that feeling and getting relaxed into
[26:52] that feeling
[26:53] actually sends more energy to the brain.
[26:55] So the person becomes relaxed in their
[26:58] heart and awake in the brain and that's
[27:00] much better than stressed out,
[27:01] unconscious, and in a program. So
[27:03] it turns out you can teach people to do
[27:05] that and they can get really, really,
[27:07] really good at it. And when they get
[27:08] really, really good at it, the response
[27:11] to the environment is no longer
[27:12] weakening the organism.
[27:14] Mhm. It's not causing the organism to
[27:17] break down.
[27:18] The person then all of a sudden starts
[27:20] saying, "My my goodness, I'm I'm feeling
[27:23] this feeling
[27:25] and if I'm not reacting and responding
[27:27] in the same way, I want to continue to
[27:29] feel this feeling." And and it becomes
[27:31] something that becomes more of a habit
[27:34] or a skill. The chemistry that's
[27:36] produced as a result of that is it's
[27:39] changing gene expression. Wow. It's
[27:41] changing thousands of different
[27:43] metabolites in the body and it's making
[27:46] a pharmacy of chemicals. Now a drug
[27:48] study is about 18 to 25%
[27:51] cause and effect, causality. You know,
[27:53] the cause is produced about 25% of the
[27:56] times. The data that we've discovered
[27:59] suggests that between 75 and 85% of the
[28:03] people
[28:04] that are participating in this are
[28:05] producing those same pharmacy of
[28:07] chemicals that are working better
[28:10] than any pharmaceutical because a
[28:12] pharmaceutical only works in 25% and
[28:14] there's this rich resource of
[28:18] natural pharmaceuticals that cause the
[28:21] body to become super immune
[28:24] to all kinds of viruses and bacteria.
[28:26] And I'm talking about all kinds of
[28:28] viruses. The plasma of the of those
[28:32] people who
[28:33] who actually do this properly,
[28:35] put in the presence of a cancer cell,
[28:38] shuts the mitochondrial function in the
[28:40] cancer cell down by 70%.
[28:43] Now that's taking all the energy out of
[28:45] the cancer cell. Now it can't multiply
[28:48] and it can't move as well.
[28:49] It has effects on the immune system. It
[28:52] has effects on all kinds of thousands of
[28:55] metabolites that suggest the body is
[28:58] actually in a in a healthier
[28:59] environment. So it's an exciting time to
[29:02] see when people change the changes that
[29:04] take place in their biology. And and if
[29:06] you know that and you sit down to do the
[29:09] meditation because you know that, it
[29:11] turns out you'll get a greater outcome.
[29:13] I love that it's you're putting science
[29:16] to sort of the miraculous, which is
[29:18] really it's just so neat and and to show
[29:21] people what's possible. And I'm curious
[29:23] in your retreats, what
[29:24] what have you seen? Like what I I I know
[29:27] from reading your book that I've just
[29:28] been like
[29:30] you know, of what's possible. Speaking
[29:33] really transparently,
[29:34] in the last year to I I never thought in
[29:38] my life that I would be seeing what I'm
[29:41] seeing as a result of a person's ability
[29:44] to overcome themselves
[29:46] and to connect this to this invisible
[29:48] field of frequency or energy that that
[29:51] somehow informs the body in a very short
[29:54] amount of time. I never thought I would
[29:56] see. We had at one event we had two
[29:59] people that were blind.
[30:02] Now, this is a stretch for a lot of
[30:04] people.
[30:04] By the end of that event they were
[30:06] seeing. I mean, just the odds of one
[30:08] person
[30:10] having that experience is one in
[30:12] billions. And now you have two at the
[30:14] same event, you know, this is
[30:15] Amazing. And and it's so important
[30:17] because when they stand on the stage and
[30:19] they tell their story, it's changing
[30:21] people's consciousness. Like I would
[30:23] never think that I would see that like
[30:26] that. Two in you know, two in one event,
[30:28] one would would be a surprise.
[30:30] The people in the audience are become
[30:32] conscious of the four-minute mile. Like
[30:34] oh my god, somebody did that that
[30:36] actually broke through. It's a
[30:37] possibility now and they believe in
[30:40] possibility a little bit more and belief
[30:42] has a strong effect on the outcomes that
[30:45] we see. Disbelief also has the similar
[30:49] outcomes, but it's always the same,
[30:50] right? So so the person who was in a
[30:53] wheelchair with muscular dystrophy, I
[30:56] mean,
[30:57] and I know and I've I've studied health
[31:00] care for over 30 years and you just
[31:03] never see someone with muscular
[31:05] dystrophy
[31:07] ever change. And if you research it or
[31:10] Google it or whatever, you're going to
[31:11] see the very first line say there's
[31:13] there is no cure, right? And here's a
[31:15] kid
[31:17] that just had one moment and he's he's
[31:20] standing up out of his wheelchair, he's
[31:22] on his feet.
[31:24] He's moving from side to side and he's
[31:26] talking and the way he's talking is
[31:29] so contagious because you're sharing his
[31:33] his the joy of his experience. He He the
[31:35] way he's
[31:36] what he's doing.
[31:38] People with ALS um that had a lot of
[31:41] paralysis and loss of motor function
[31:44] getting up on their own again, getting
[31:46] in a wheelchairs again, and feeding
[31:48] themselves again.
[31:49] Parkinson's disease, you know, uh
[31:52] dramatic changes in in tension tremors
[31:55] and and you know, facial paralysis and
[31:59] pain and tremors, all those things are
[32:01] changing. We We've had people numerous
[32:03] people now with and this is a was a
[32:06] change in my own personal belief with
[32:08] stage four cancers where they the cancer
[32:12] metastasizes to bones.
[32:14] Yeah. To livers uh to other organs.
[32:17] Their reversal of the cancer literally
[32:21] changes their bone structure. There's no
[32:23] evidence of the you know, the eating
[32:25] away of the bone any longer. There's the
[32:27] tumor is gone in the liver, in the lung
[32:31] and
[32:32] in the abdominal organs.
[32:34] I mean, we look at this from a research
[32:36] perspective and and we're
[32:39] blown away and and and
[32:42] that's so cool because the evidence that
[32:44] we're seeing in the science where we're
[32:46] seeing the plasma of advanced meditators
[32:50] actually taking the energy out of the
[32:52] cancer cells.
[32:54] The fundamental question is where is
[32:55] that information coming from? The
[32:57] person's not changing their diet,
[32:59] they're not taking a drug, they're not
[33:03] eating anything differently. The
[33:05] information that is being transmitted on
[33:08] that blood is coming from within them.
[33:11] Now, that's exactly where it's coming
[33:13] from.
[33:14] People say, "Oh my god, do you are you
[33:16] saying that meditation can actually help
[33:19] cancer?" And or cause a resistance to a
[33:22] virus and change the Alzheimer's gene. I
[33:24] say, "No, no, actually I'm not saying
[33:26] that. The data is actually saying that."
[33:29] And that's the data if the data is
[33:30] saying that, it's a it's a change in
[33:32] consciousness.
[33:34] And I want people to see the data and
[33:36] our data is really really compelling.
[33:39] And listen to those testimonies of
[33:41] people. I watched some of those
[33:42] testimonies maybe 10 times in a row. I'm
[33:46] kidding you because I'm I just cannot
[33:48] believe what I'm seeing.
[33:50] Yeah. That's profound.
[33:52] I want to remember that. It's It's
[33:53] powerful to to see the and we've cancer
[33:56] researchers and doctors stand on the
[33:59] stage that were serious health
[34:02] conditions and their health conditions
[34:04] are gone. They They got They understood
[34:05] it. The science made sense to them. So
[34:07] the application made sense. You know,
[34:09] people in wheelchairs
[34:11] numerous people with spinal cord
[34:12] injuries or strokes walking normally.
[34:15] They just just They're out of their
[34:17] wheelchairs. Some of them are running
[34:19] now.
[34:20] They're in a completely
[34:22] new body. Then some level they're in a
[34:24] completely new life, you know, and
[34:26] they're not in the same future they that
[34:29] they were headed to. They're in this
[34:31] this whole new future and and the
[34:33] importance of a person standing on the
[34:35] stage
[34:36] to finalize this question as and do
[34:38] testimony
[34:40] and and tell their story.
[34:42] Uh there's nothing like a great story.
[34:45] And they don't look vegan, they don't
[34:48] look gluten-free, they don't look young,
[34:50] they don't look buffed, they don't
[34:53] they don't look like they're any any
[34:55] different than anybody else. And it's a
[34:58] great way
[35:00] for people to realize that this person
[35:03] is an example of truth, right? And
[35:04] that's the four-minute mile.
[35:07] And then uh people do do the best with
[35:09] what they only know is is possible. And
[35:12] if they don't know that healing is is
[35:14] possible, they'll make the same choice.
[35:15] Now all of a sudden it's in the tribe,
[35:17] you know, it's in the culture. It's the
[35:19] people are aware of this and
[35:21] and consciousness is awareness and
[35:23] and awareness is energy and frequency.
[35:25] You change your awareness, you change
[35:27] your energy.
[35:28] And that's so the collective now becomes
[35:30] aware of another possibility in an all
[35:32] week long events
[35:34] it's very common that once one person
[35:37] gets up and tells the story of
[35:39] how they healed themselves of whatever
[35:42] health condition that they had
[35:44] somehow and the once it's in the
[35:45] collective it starts happening
[35:48] a whole lot more and just like an
[35:50] infection can spread a disease
[35:52] in the community health and wellness
[35:54] starts become as an as infectious as
[35:56] disease and I've seen things this year
[35:58] that that has truly blown my mind where
[36:02] where people were making those dramatic
[36:04] changes in their health. Wow. I'm
[36:07] curious what is that like to facilitate?
[36:10] Like what is it when you look back at
[36:12] like the birth of your work to where
[36:13] things are today and and even the birth
[36:15] of your life. But to be here today and
[36:18] be part of that, I'm just like that must
[36:21] feel so profound to be part of. I think
[36:24] a lot of us get into things because we
[36:27] want to either create or we want to
[36:28] discover, right? And
[36:30] and discovering like
[36:33] like seeing some of these things as
[36:35] possible, you know, I mean, the research
[36:38] calls that we have that we're shaking
[36:39] our heads, you know. We're shaking our
[36:42] heads going like
[36:45] oh my god, that this is actually the
[36:47] truth. Like this is the truth. For me
[36:50] personally, when we look at
[36:52] those type of outcomes, it's hard to go
[36:55] back to business as usual.
[36:56] Yeah, I bet.
[36:57] And the conversations that we we have
[37:00] now with reputable scientists and and
[37:03] researchers, when they see our data then
[37:05] they say
[37:07] that's 7 days.
[37:09] 7 days.
[37:11] 7 days we're seeing these dramatic
[37:15] changes in 84% of the population in 7
[37:18] days. You don't see a drug do that,
[37:20] right? Drug study it's never 7 days.
[37:24] It's It's
[37:25] months, you know, and you're seeing and
[37:27] the efficacy is so high.
[37:29] The conversations that we're having now
[37:31] are are more about possibility because
[37:33] the data is speaking. It's the data
[37:35] that's saying it. You and you can't and
[37:37] you can't deny the data. And when our
[37:39] scientists do the studies five different
[37:41] ways, I'm so excited because I just know
[37:44] they're just they're really getting
[37:46] ready to change a belief because every
[37:48] every way they run it, it turns out the
[37:51] same. They're going, "Oh my god, this is
[37:53] actually this is actually the truth." So
[37:56] making your own pharmacy of chemicals
[37:59] and sitting down, here's the cool part,
[38:01] sitting down and assigning meaning
[38:05] to the act of doing it. Like
[38:06] understanding what you're doing
[38:08] and understanding why you're doing it,
[38:11] the how actually gets easier and you
[38:13] produce greater outcomes. So we use the
[38:15] constant reminder of the science and the
[38:18] and the information. So the what and the
[38:20] why makes the how more more
[38:22] instrumental. The person's going to get
[38:24] greater results out of it and that's
[38:25] what our data uh actually suggests. I
[38:28] can say now with so much more certainty
[38:31] that that this is not pseudoscience. I
[38:34] could say that. I guess that I can't
[38:36] It's no longer oh, that's just
[38:37] pseudoscience. We can't say that any
[38:38] longer. It's science and our scientists
[38:40] really that are
[38:42] that are doing the researcher, they're
[38:45] the ones that are they're changing their
[38:46] belief. And and when they when they
[38:48] start a lecture and they call it
[38:50] evolution of the species,
[38:52] that's a big huge, you know, a huge sign
[38:55] that they're that something great is
[38:56] happening. You know, when you see a
[38:58] scientist in the last line of his
[39:01] presentation with all these volcano maps
[39:03] and all these uh statistics say um you
[39:07] are what you think, you know, you know,
[39:08] that's the last line. You're you're
[39:10] you're you're in shock. So science is
[39:12] changing now because we're changing the
[39:14] science, which is super cool. When I
[39:16] think I used to be a pharmaceutical rep
[39:18] for almost 14 years. And when I started
[39:22] to learn about relationships and emotion
[39:24] and the effect on the body and
[39:25] inflammation,
[39:26] I was just like that's not the way. Like
[39:29] I couldn't stay in that work anymore.
[39:31] And the more I'm exposed to your work
[39:34] and experience it,
[39:36] I feel that. Like I feel that difference
[39:38] and you know, when you talk about these
[39:40] transformations that I mean, I know lots
[39:42] of people who've been to your retreats
[39:45] and
[39:46] one friend said that she found
[39:48] psilocybin without taking psilocybin and
[39:51] I thought that's
[39:52] pretty profound. I just I like the way
[39:55] you articulate just that the new self
[39:57] doesn't have is am I saying that right?
[39:59] Like the new self doesn't have the thing
[40:02] that they might be suffering with or or
[40:03] the
[40:05] like it's a pattern of all the other
[40:06] parts, right? Sure. So, let me just say
[40:08] this before we move to that. We just had
[40:10] a great conversation with our
[40:12] neuroscience team at UCSD and they were
[40:15] looking at 20 fMRI studies that we did
[40:18] 10 on advanced meditators, 10 on novice
[40:21] meditators.
[40:22] The scientist said, "I want you to know
[40:24] that in that transcendental experience
[40:27] that the person's having, their brain is
[40:29] looking like it's on psilocybin." That's
[40:32] exactly what they said. So, it is
[40:33] accurate. It was an accurate experience.
[40:36] Because the brain actually that's
[40:38] through certain latent systems when it
[40:40] switches on actually makes derivatives
[40:43] of melatonin that work exactly like
[40:46] those pharmaceuticals. That's why those
[40:48] receptors are there and that creates the
[40:50] transcendental moment, you know, that's
[40:52] what creates this super lucid moment.
[40:55] Yeah, that's it. And so, when they are
[40:58] making these changes, when they're going
[40:59] from like in your 7-day retreat, they're
[41:02] experiencing
[41:04] the meditations, the change of way of
[41:05] being and they're also with people. So,
[41:07] it almost seems like there's this
[41:09] tension of in in a beautiful tension in
[41:12] the way that
[41:13] am I using the right words? It's almost
[41:15] like I'm I'm experiencing sovereignty
[41:17] but also unity at the same time. Like
[41:20] Yeah, yeah. So, there's a transformation
[41:22] that takes place in the week longs
[41:23] that's really evident. It's a person
[41:26] overcoming themselves. And and when you
[41:28] sit past that point where you normally
[41:31] quit, that's when the brain really
[41:33] begins to change the most. That's when
[41:35] you're stepping out of the known into
[41:37] the unknown and that's what that's what
[41:39] creates plasticity in the brain. There's
[41:41] there's there's going to be a
[41:42] fundamental change that takes place.
[41:45] In our week long events, we we stretch
[41:47] people a little bit further where they
[41:50] like to go. What's on the other side of
[41:52] the thought I can't?
[41:54] What's on the other side of the thought
[41:55] I'm too old? What's on the other side of
[41:57] the thought it's my mother's fault, my
[41:59] father's fault? What if we just keep
[42:01] going past those thoughts, keep going
[42:03] past those emotions and and behaviors?
[42:07] In the 7-day process that we do, the
[42:10] first couple days is that overcoming
[42:12] process and disentangling from those
[42:14] programs. It takes an enormous amount of
[42:16] energy and it takes an enormous amount
[42:18] of awareness and if you give people
[42:20] things to do while they're going through
[42:22] that change from the old self to the new
[42:25] self
[42:26] and you give them some things to
[42:28] practice, it accelerates the process.
[42:31] After a certain point in the collective
[42:33] in the community,
[42:34] the individual becomes a representation
[42:37] of the whole.
[42:38] So, you start seeing people
[42:41] all of a sudden heal from feeling a
[42:43] certain way and now they're feeling
[42:45] another way. When they start feeling
[42:46] another way than the way they feel in in
[42:50] the same familiar way, their body is so
[42:53] objective
[42:55] that it does not know the difference
[42:56] between the experience in their life
[42:59] that could be creating that emotion and
[43:01] the emotion that person is just feeling
[43:03] just by changing themselves.
[43:05] The body's actually believing
[43:07] genetically that it's living in a
[43:08] different world and and genes regulate
[43:11] because the environment signals the gene
[43:13] and the end product of an experience in
[43:15] the environment is an emotion. We're
[43:17] actually signaling genes ahead of their
[43:19] environment and that's what's actually
[43:21] beginning to make their biological
[43:23] changes.
[43:24] Without a doubt, when that occurs,
[43:26] there's all kinds of great changes that
[43:27] take place in the person's immune system
[43:30] and just about every other endocrine
[43:32] system in their body.
[43:33] If the person now is behaving
[43:37] in a different way, there's behavior
[43:39] dependent genes
[43:41] that make very significant changes to
[43:43] the person's biology.
[43:45] If the person has gotten past I can't,
[43:48] it's too hard, it's my mother's fault,
[43:50] I'll never change, what's wrong with me
[43:52] and they just no longer were firing and
[43:55] wiring those thoughts and they began to
[43:58] fire and wire new thoughts and when it's
[44:00] the hardest it matters the most if they
[44:02] stuck around long enough to go through
[44:04] that transformative process, energy
[44:06] naturally moves into the heart. We've
[44:07] measured this enormous amount of times
[44:10] and people start falling in love with
[44:11] life again. They start seeing beauty in
[44:13] all things.
[44:15] The heart informs the brain in a very
[44:16] short amount of time. The brain goes
[44:18] into an elevated gamma brain wave state.
[44:21] Now, the person's literally relaxed in
[44:23] their heart. They're awake. They're
[44:25] actually conscious instead of
[44:26] unconscious and in a program
[44:29] and they're more relaxed into the
[44:30] present moment. The biological changes
[44:33] that take place as result of that over
[44:35] time become more and more permanent for
[44:37] the person. So,
[44:39] the person who's no longer thinking the
[44:41] same way, acting the same way and
[44:42] feeling the same way, the disease exists
[44:44] in the other person that was thinking
[44:46] that way, acting that way and feeling
[44:48] that way because their biology is
[44:50] actually the same. They just became
[44:52] somebody else and it's the overcoming
[44:54] process in that 7-day retreat that
[44:58] actually creates the becoming process
[45:00] and and there's just so many wonderful
[45:03] biological changes that take place in
[45:05] the brain, the heart, the genes, the
[45:08] blood, in the microbiome and in just
[45:11] about every system in the body. I mean,
[45:13] it makes so much sense if you change
[45:15] your state. What I think is really
[45:17] fascinating is the correlation to like
[45:20] you're already experiencing a future
[45:22] that doesn't yet exist but exists maybe
[45:25] in another
[45:26] time or dimension or whatever, you know,
[45:28] and I'm I'm curious your thoughts
[45:30] because I know a lot of people who are
[45:32] exploring this work too talk about
[45:34] feeling more connected. Like my friends
[45:36] when they came back from the retreat
[45:38] were saying like they just felt more
[45:39] connected to their intuition and you
[45:42] know, some using the words like the
[45:43] divine and I think that's such a
[45:45] fascinating exploration. Like all of it
[45:47] challenges way we think conventional
[45:49] science works, the way we think
[45:52] What do you think about that correlation
[45:53] to divine, to intuition, that kind of
[45:56] stuff? I think that we are innately
[45:59] intuitive. I think that when energy
[46:02] moves into the heart and we know how to
[46:05] help people do that, the brain thinks
[46:07] but the heart knows. Mhm. When the heart
[46:09] starts informing the brain of
[46:12] information, it it comes across
[46:15] as more like a knowingness. And it's we
[46:18] discover that when you can practice and
[46:19] we do this synchronizing your heart to
[46:21] the brain
[46:22] and we practice this over and over
[46:24] again,
[46:25] if the heart and the brain are in the
[46:27] same energy, the same frequency, they
[46:29] can exchange information. Now, the
[46:31] information that the person is getting
[46:33] is
[46:34] is precognitive and it's very relevant
[46:37] to them.
[46:38] It's not coming from a social media
[46:40] feed, it's not coming from the news,
[46:41] it's not coming from
[46:43] a device, it's actually coming from
[46:45] within them and I don't know about you
[46:47] but there's a whole lot of information
[46:49] I'm starting to question in reality and
[46:52] I think it's so important to practice
[46:54] this process because
[46:56] the intuition is actually the heart
[46:58] saying, "Here's a little help." And and
[47:01] we see what happens when people do this
[47:03] really well. Their heart speaks to them
[47:05] and I don't know how else to say that
[47:06] but they know. They know exactly what
[47:09] they need to do and it's it's very
[47:11] relevant to them and they would never
[47:13] tell you what to do. They just got the
[47:15] information of what they know they need
[47:17] to do, you know, and
[47:19] and then it gets cool because when
[47:21] energy makes it to the heart, our
[47:23] prosocial networks switch on in our
[47:25] brain
[47:27] and we tend to move closer to one
[47:29] another, we tend to bond a little bit
[47:31] more
[47:32] and we have a greater appreciation for
[47:34] whatever is in front of us. That's what
[47:35] it that's what it creates. We're more
[47:37] present in the moment. And I think
[47:39] that's what creates community.
[47:41] And that community is more prone to be
[47:44] kind to one another, to be more caring
[47:46] for one another, to inform one another
[47:49] in the right way, to support one
[47:51] another, to honor one another, to heal
[47:54] one another and in really to shine for
[47:57] for one another so so the community can
[47:59] see what's possible and they can shine
[48:01] more. So, that that kind of community of
[48:04] collective networks that come together,
[48:06] we measure
[48:08] the outcome of the collective networks
[48:10] in the state of brain and heart
[48:11] coherence and we do healings on other
[48:14] people and when we do those healings on
[48:16] other people,
[48:18] we have random event generators in the
[48:20] room to see
[48:22] if the collective network can cause a
[48:25] computer generated programmed machine
[48:29] that behaves like you're you're tossing
[48:31] a coin to all of a sudden act very very
[48:35] differently. Somehow, there's a
[48:37] collective network that's beginning to
[48:40] produce a change in three-dimensional
[48:42] reality and in and that's we're finding
[48:45] out it's it's not the number
[48:47] people.
[48:48] It's not the amount of energy cuz you
[48:50] could have a lot of energy and a lot of
[48:52] people that could be entropic.
[48:54] It's the most coherent collective group
[48:57] and
[48:58] that's what begins to change
[49:00] consciousness. So, we're we're studying
[49:02] all of these things and how they're all
[49:04] related and trying to piece models
[49:06] together to teach it better. So, if you
[49:08] get a group of like
[49:11] I think you were referring in the fMRI
[49:14] study of of like advanced meditators. If
[49:16] you get a group of advanced meditators
[49:18] together, you can impact the machine.
[49:21] Exactly. One you don't have to be
[49:23] advanced meditator. In fact,
[49:25] our data shows that if you came to a
[49:27] week long event and you just blew off
[49:29] the preliminary prerequisites to come,
[49:32] we don't we don't recommend this but if
[49:34] you show up and you go all in
[49:36] at the end of the at the end of the 7
[49:38] days, you're going to be changed.
[49:39] There's absolutely no doubt about it.
[49:41] What do you notice when people go from
[49:43] these advanced retreats? So, they've
[49:44] they're now in their new self, and then
[49:47] they go back to their old lives. You
[49:49] know, I I would imagine a lot of people
[49:51] cuz I know in witnessing and being part
[49:53] of people's transformations, that they
[49:56] want to be able to go back to their old
[49:58] lives and keep them or or like preserve
[50:00] the relationship or do whatever, and
[50:02] it's it's almost like everything has to
[50:04] change and will change. But, what do you
[50:06] notice in in your experience from I
[50:08] mean, you've worked with thousands and
[50:10] thousands of people. Yeah, well, it's
[50:12] it's there's there's so many variations
[50:14] of that. Some people show up in their
[50:16] life and they're no longer telling their
[50:17] spouse that they need to change. Okay.
[50:20] All of a sudden, they're just happy and
[50:22] they see their the spouse sees that
[50:23] they're really genuinely happy.
[50:26] And they want to be happy again with
[50:27] them, you know? So, that that's a that's
[50:30] a teaching without words, right? I mean,
[50:32] you're not you're not telling anybody to
[50:34] change or being the example to change.
[50:35] So,
[50:36] we see that happen. We see people that
[50:38] heal from really really serious health
[50:41] conditions where they reverse the health
[50:42] condition, and then they return back
[50:45] into their life and their health
[50:46] condition comes back within any 6 months
[50:49] to a year because they return back to
[50:51] the same person. They stopped changing
[50:54] their state of being.
[50:55] And the response to the environment
[50:57] emotionally was signaling the same gene
[50:59] in the same way, and and for some of
[51:01] them, their health condition came back
[51:03] in a really short amount of time because
[51:05] that's how it's had had been programmed
[51:07] and and they had all the changes that
[51:09] took place.
[51:10] Something amazing really begins to
[51:12] happen now because now
[51:14] you realize that if you created the
[51:17] condition, then you uncreated and you
[51:19] recreated again, you got to can't say
[51:20] I'm a failure any longer. You got to say
[51:22] I got to do it again. And she she did it
[51:24] again or some of them have done it again
[51:26] and reversed the condition again. Now,
[51:28] it's it's a once is an incident, twice
[51:30] is a coincidence. And And And what they
[51:33] did really well is they didn't say I'm
[51:34] going to do really great meditation. I'm
[51:37] going to be relaxed in my heart and
[51:38] awake in my brain. I'm going to get up
[51:40] feeling differently than when I started.
[51:41] I'm going to really connect and I'm
[51:43] going to get my brain and heart
[51:44] coherent, all that stuff. And then you
[51:45] spend the rest of your day reacting and
[51:48] responding to all the people in your
[51:49] life in the same way. You got 1 hour
[51:52] going against 15 hours.
[51:54] Your health condition will heal a little
[51:56] bit, um but it won't heal to the degree
[51:59] that that you want. You may sleep be
[52:01] sleeping better. You may have less pain,
[52:04] less anxiety. You may be feeling some
[52:06] subjective things, but they go for their
[52:08] scans and they go for their X-rays and
[52:10] and they go for their blood tests, and
[52:12] it's if it's still the same, they don't
[52:15] say that it didn't work. They say,
[52:18] "There's something about me that I still
[52:19] have to change in order for this health
[52:20] condition to change." They're not doing
[52:22] the meditations
[52:23] to heal. They're doing the meditations
[52:25] to change so that they can heal. So, now
[52:28] it gets really really It gets really
[52:29] practical now. Cuz then they now have to
[52:32] really do exactly what we've been
[52:33] saying. They got to say, "Okay, you
[52:34] can't think this way. You you just
[52:36] cannot act Today, you cannot act like
[52:38] that. You cannot That's the old person.
[52:41] You can't feel this way. You feel this
[52:42] way, you're signaling same genes and
[52:44] you're going to go back to the same
[52:45] person. And that can't be 16 hours
[52:47] against 1 hour. I got to change this. I
[52:50] got to stay in the state. So, then how
[52:52] am I going to think? Let me remind
[52:53] myself. How am I going to act? I'm going
[52:55] to review it. I'm going to rehearse it.
[52:56] The act of mental rehearsal installs a
[52:58] circuit in the brain to look like you
[53:00] did it. You got hardware there now. How
[53:02] do I have to feel every day today to
[53:03] keep those genes signaled on? Okay, now,
[53:06] let me just practice feeling this Keep
[53:08] bringing it up. If I have to bring it up
[53:10] 100 times in a row so I can bring it up
[53:12] on my own whenever I need to. That's how
[53:14] good I want to get at it. Then I would
[53:16] be signaling new genes in new ways, and
[53:18] genes make proteins, and proteins
[53:20] are the expression of health in my body.
[53:23] So, it's the expression of life. So, I'm
[53:25] going to stay in this state. No person,
[53:27] no condition, no circumstance in my life
[53:29] is going to remove me from it. If I can
[53:31] stay there for a period of time, now I
[53:34] have a little bit more time where I'm
[53:36] being that new person, that new
[53:38] personality,
[53:39] instead of that old one. So, then it
[53:41] gets super practical. And people do the
[53:43] I I I discovered people that really face
[53:45] chronic health conditions and reverse
[53:47] them, uh they do their meditations to
[53:50] change. They don't do their meditations
[53:51] to heal. They understand that if they
[53:53] change, they will heal.
[53:55] You know? And then there's people who do
[53:56] their meditations with chronic health
[53:58] conditions
[53:59] that do them two and three times
[54:02] a day, not because they think the more
[54:04] they do their meditations, the more they
[54:05] should heal.
[54:07] They just stop believing. And And when
[54:09] they stop believing, they will return
[54:11] back to the same feelings and the same
[54:12] thoughts.
[54:14] They go back into the meditation, change
[54:16] the way they felt and the way they
[54:17] thought, and they could believe in that
[54:18] future. They get up believing in that
[54:20] future again.
[54:21] They're doing their meditations to stay
[54:23] in that belief.
[54:24] And sooner or later, of course, the
[54:26] outcome appears in their life. So, it
[54:28] becomes super practical. And then there
[54:30] are people that have an interaction with
[54:32] energy and frequency, and they connect,
[54:35] and their brain goes into these elevated
[54:37] super aroused gamma brainwave patterns
[54:40] that are
[54:41] hundreds of standards of deviations
[54:43] outside of normal. They're connecting to
[54:46] energy, and the arousal is not fear,
[54:47] it's not pain, it's not aggression. The
[54:49] arousal is bliss.
[54:51] And the person's
[54:52] out of entire autonomic nervous system
[54:54] is now regulating to a whole lot of
[54:57] order.
[54:58] And it's a very very high state of
[55:00] energy.
[55:01] And every cell in the body is getting
[55:03] informed with a different frequency. And
[55:05] we see a biological upgrade that takes
[55:07] place in that person's body
[55:08] instantaneously. I mean,
[55:11] there's the eczema. Now, it's gone. Wow.
[55:13] There's the Parkinson's. It's gone.
[55:16] There's the
[55:18] metastatic carcinoma. It's gone. You
[55:20] know, it's There's the blindness. Now,
[55:22] the person's seeing. It's energy is
[55:24] informing matter. It's happening
[55:25] instantaneously. Those people
[55:27] tend to heal on a very permanent basis.
[55:31] It's It's a very profound experience for
[55:33] that person. They got a biological
[55:35] upgrade. And And it was their
[55:37] interaction with energy and frequency.
[55:38] And they
[55:40] a formula that we practice in getting to
[55:42] those states allows us to connect to
[55:44] that to that that invisible field. And
[55:46] And more and more people are doing it.
[55:48] And we When we get the blood of those
[55:50] people that have had that that that
[55:52] experience,
[55:53] we draw their blood based on their brain
[55:55] scan. There's information in that blood
[55:58] that wasn't there before that has such a
[56:01] dramatic effect on health and wholeness
[56:03] in the body. There's
[56:04] more coherence and and
[56:07] a better information. Yeah, I noticed
[56:08] Kylie, my partner, she was asking me I
[56:11] was saying, "Oh, man, I had like the
[56:12] most profound experience in the blessing
[56:14] of the energy centers meditation." That
[56:17] I whenever I do that one, it's like
[56:19] And she said, "What was it like?" I was
[56:21] like,
[56:22] "Well, it was kind of like having an
[56:23] orgasm."
[56:24] Like, it was it was like I was suspended
[56:26] between worlds, but I was just in a
[56:28] state of just like absolute peace.
[56:32] And you know, you were talking about how
[56:34] it becomes practical. And And I you
[56:36] know, I what I love about the scientific
[56:39] sort of background of it is that I
[56:41] really don't want to turn bad genes on.
[56:43] I want to turn good ones on. So, my
[56:45] motivation is like I actually want
[56:47] health and wholeness. And
[56:49] I want to feel like that. And if I can
[56:51] bring that feeling into my world and
[56:52] into my days and into my thoughts, cuz
[56:55] you know, it's the repetition that got
[56:57] me to the place of some negative
[56:58] thinking or whatever. I just need to
[57:00] repeat the positivity at the same level.
[57:03] And I have so much gratitude for the
[57:04] work you do. And And thank you so much
[57:06] for sharing so many of your insights
[57:08] today. And I I recommend that anyone
[57:10] listening, if you're feeling inspired to
[57:12] go check out your work. And And what are
[57:14] you working on now? I'm curious what you
[57:16] got coming up. Wow. Well, so
[57:20] let's see. I'll I'll give you a few
[57:21] things. Our research is just, you know,
[57:24] so so exciting. We're going to have an
[57:26] emphasis on cancer research in 2023.
[57:30] We've got great data already to suggest
[57:33] that it has profound effects on on all
[57:35] kinds of cancers. As I said, 84% of the
[57:38] plasma of those advanced meditators
[57:41] in in just about any type of cancer cell
[57:43] is reduced. So, so we know that we're
[57:46] we're bridging on a law. We we've done a
[57:48] ton of work
[57:50] on the microbiome now, and our data is
[57:52] really profound showing those changes in
[57:56] 7 days. We are going to be working more
[57:58] with functional MRI imagery and and
[58:01] looking closely closer at the effects of
[58:04] our coherence healings. Super exciting
[58:06] stuff. We're working with prisons. We're
[58:10] working with Navy SEALs now and and
[58:12] helping those folks. We've done studies
[58:14] with children in meditation, you know, a
[58:17] thousand young children between the age
[58:20] of 4 and 12, and the data is
[58:23] really really great. We're doing all
[58:25] kinds of different things. We're we're
[58:28] putting together a coalition of doctors
[58:31] and researchers and physicians that are
[58:32] interested in seeing what we're doing
[58:35] and being a part of you know, maybe some
[58:37] of more of the case histories and the
[58:39] research that we're we're doing. So, and
[58:41] then of course, you know, my my real
[58:43] real passion is just the the week-long
[58:46] events and the and the events follow-ups
[58:48] because
[58:49] you get 1,800 people in the room,
[58:51] everybody making that shift in the
[58:53] second day, and
[58:55] you see miracles. That's the cool part.
[58:57] And And being part of that for me is a
[58:59] great pleasure in life. So,
[59:01] So, yeah, so we're we're doing as much
[59:03] as we possibly can. Awesome. And you
[59:05] also have the program that I saw
[59:07] Inspire. Can you speak maybe more to
[59:09] that? Oh, sure. So, we do a particular
[59:11] breath called pulling the mind out of
[59:13] the body. And in in And we know based on
[59:15] our data, it's going to create
[59:17] more gamma brain waves in the brain.
[59:19] We've seen it. It's going to put more
[59:21] energy in the brain. And ultimately,
[59:23] it's going to cause your body to relax
[59:25] and at the same time for you to stay
[59:27] awake. So, we do this breath,
[59:29] and it's a very active breath. And so,
[59:31] we put together 10 songs from composers
[59:34] and artists that we work with. Some of
[59:36] them are original pieces.
[59:38] It's uh different rhythms, the way I do
[59:40] it, different instruction.
[59:43] And it's an opportunity for people to
[59:45] put together their own personal
[59:47] playlist. You know, some people may want
[59:48] to do two songs. Some people may want to
[59:50] do four or five.
[59:52] And then we we we got a uh
[59:54] an artist to design the the cover. You
[59:58] know, we did we did an original piece of
[1:00:00] art and we
[1:00:01] we time lapse the whole thing and and uh
[1:00:04] do a little little little live stream
[1:00:05] for that. So, um it's called Inspire
[1:00:08] Volume One. We have a Volume Two coming.
[1:00:10] But, it's just based on the request from
[1:00:12] people in our community that want to
[1:00:14] master the breath. And
[1:00:15] and uh when that energy reaches the
[1:00:17] brain, it is a kind of a euphoric
[1:00:19] feeling. So, it's uh
[1:00:21] it's something our our community really
[1:00:23] is into. Awesome. Yeah, thanks for
[1:00:25] sharing that. I noticed the breath is
[1:00:26] something that has taken practice for me
[1:00:28] to master and also the sort of
[1:00:31] when I do it, I can feel the opening
[1:00:33] from the perineum up to the top of the
[1:00:37] head, which is really it's powerful.
[1:00:38] Well, keep doing it. It keeps getting
[1:00:40] better. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited
[1:00:42] to continue with the meditations. Uh and
[1:00:45] uh for people who want to find more of
[1:00:47] your work, we'll make sure that we link
[1:00:48] out your website. But, for the people
[1:00:49] listening, if you want to just share it
[1:00:51] and uh we'll we'll make sure that all
[1:00:53] the links to all the things you
[1:00:54] mentioned are in the show notes. Yeah,
[1:00:56] so my website is drjoedispenza.com.
[1:00:59] Perfect. And social platforms, all the
[1:01:01] same. And and uh we'll make sure we're
[1:01:03] linking them. Thank you so much for
[1:01:04] being here. I really appreciate you and
[1:01:06] your time. Thank you.