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Working with Shenpa: How toGet Unhooked in Meditation

Pema Chodron
Pema Chodron
Apr 2, 2020
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Shenpa—the hook that pulls us into unconscious thought patterns—operates at many depths during meditation, from barely perceptible mental murmurs to elaborate inner narratives that absorb our complete attention. Rather than trying to eliminate thoughts (which is impossible, since thinking is the nature of mind), practice works by recognizing when you've been hooked, returning to the breath, and gradually becoming comfortable with positive groundlessness—the open, unfamiliar state of mind beyond habitual patterns. This process of acknowledgment and return is not a technique change but a deepening of the basic meditation instruction itself.

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What is Shenpa and Why Does It Matter in Meditation?

Shenpa is a Tibetan Buddhist term that describes the moment when a thought, emotion, or sensation hooks us—when we get pulled into identification with mental content and lose presence. Pema Chodron teaches that understanding shenpa in meditation is not an advanced concept but a direct mapping onto the experience most practitioners encounter when they sit down to meditate. The hook operates along a spectrum rather than as a binary state. Most meditators experience all degrees of shenpa during a single sitting, and recognizing these different intensities helps demystify what's actually happening when attention wanders.

The non-threatening version of shenpa is so subtle that it barely registers. A thought might arise—just a murmur or a few words—with so little gravitational pull that you hardly leave the breath at all. "You might call that the most subtle of shen pas," Chodron explains. The recognition that you've been thinking is almost simultaneous with the thought itself, so the labeling of the distraction may be unnecessary. You simply notice and return without effort.

How Does the Hook Deepen Across Degrees of Distraction?

As shenpa intensifies, the narrative becomes more elaborate. A two-sentence thought arises, and there is clear recognition that you've departed from the breath, but not so far that you can't easily return. There is a slight hook, but not a strong one. You recognize you've been gone, and coming back is straightforward.

At the deepest level, shenpa manifests as complete absorption. The mind has written entire stories: War and Peace, a full narrative, where you inhabit multiple characters, script out films, plan meals, arrange vacations, relive traumatic experiences, and rewrite exchanges to their "correct" resolution. This vast inner production is often entirely unconscious. The common expression "lost in thought" perfectly captures this state—you are physically present with eyes open, yet you are not here at all. When the meditation bell or gong sounds, it can be shocking to discover that you've been sitting the entire session without awareness. This is the grossest degree of shenpa, the strongest hook.

What makes this spectrum so important is that it normalizes the meditation experience. There is no failure in any of these states; they are all natural expressions of mind at different intensities of engagement with thought.

Why Can't You Simply Get Rid of Thoughts?

One of the most persistent misconceptions about meditation is that the goal is to eliminate thoughts. Chodron addresses this directly: "The purpose of the meditation isn't to get rid of thoughts because actually that's impossible. It's the nature of mind to think in the same way that it's the nature of the sky to have clouds."

Thinking is not a sign of failed meditation—it is the baseline condition of mind. Just as the sky naturally generates clouds, the mind naturally generates thoughts. The meditation practice does not ask practitioners to change this fundamental nature. Instead, the work is to change the relationship to that nature.

There are moments in meditation when clouds part and expansiveness opens. These are not more advanced states but simply moments when the mind naturally experiences more space. Most ongoing meditation practice, however, consists of "poking holes in the clouds"—recognizing that you've been in the grip of forgetfulness about the breath (the in-breath, out-breath, or simply the out-breath), acknowledging the departure, and returning. This cycle of forgetting and remembering is the actual meditation practice, not a deviation from it.

What Does It Mean to Acknowledge and Do Something Different?

Chodron emphasizes that the meditation instruction itself—the basic technique you've been given—remains unchanged. What shifts is understanding the relationship between the instruction and what actually happens when you practice. The core instruction is: acknowledge and do something different. Coming back to the breath is that "something different"—and it is dramatically different from being lost in thought.

This return to the breath functions as a pause. There is a quality of stopping the habitual spin and settling back into the immediacy of direct experience: your body, your breath, the here and now. This pause itself creates space for something to open. When you're back with the breath, present with the actual texture of your experience rather than the mind's commentary on it, there is a possibility that "things begin to open up." This is when connection with what Chodron calls basic goodness, Buddha nature, or big sky becomes available.

What is Positive Groundlessness and Big Sky Mind?

Positive groundlessness and big sky mind are, in Chodron's teaching, two ways of pointing to the same experience—the spacious awareness that emerges when you release the grip of habitual thought patterns. However, they emphasize different qualities of the same state.

Big sky mind describes the experience from the perspective of what opens up: expansiveness, insight, freedom from the cocoon of self-referential thought. When things crack open and the usual defensive structure relaxes, there's a felt sense of vastness and possibility. Thoughts can still arise in this state, but they move through space rather than defining the whole of experience.

Positive groundlessness emphasizes a different angle on the same territory. It names the experience from the point of view of what feels unfamiliar or even threatening. When you're not supported by the usual mental props—the constant stream of thoughts and emotions that normally anchor your sense of self—you are, paradoxically, groundless. There is no solid ground beneath you. For many practitioners, this unfamiliarity can register as uncomfortable, even slightly scary. The openness and lack of familiar structure can trigger anxiety.

Chodron introduces the term positive groundlessness to reframe this vulnerability as worthwhile. Rather than something to escape, it is something worth hanging out in until it becomes comfortable. The anxiety or unease that arises when you first encounter this state is not a sign that something has gone wrong. It is the sign that you're bumping up against a genuine opening—a glimpse of mind beyond its habitual defenses.

How Do Practitioners Encounter Positive Groundlessness in Daily Life?

Meditation practitioners who develop this practice often find that similar moments of uneasiness arise in their regular lives off the meditation cushion. You might experience times when the familiar ground feels unstable, when the usual emotional or conceptual props aren't available, when you feel a kind of anxiety or disorientation because you don't have the usual reference points.

Chodron points out that this is the same thing as big sky mind, just encountered from a different angle—one that feels less expansive and more exposing. The difference is perspective. The content of the experience is identical; it's just that in daily life, when stability is suddenly absent, the openness often registers as threat rather than freedom. By recognizing that this unease is a doorway to positive groundlessness—a state that's actually worth being with—practitioners can begin to relax into these moments rather than scrambling to rebuild familiar ground.

How Does Recognizing Shenpa Deepen Your Meditation Practice?

Understanding shenpa at all its levels transforms how you relate to your meditation session. There is no failure condition. Whether your hook is so subtle you barely notice it, moderately strong, or profound enough that you're completely absorbed in narrative, you're simply observing different manifestations of the same fundamental pattern. The return to the breath works equally at all levels.

Moreover, this framework connects the formal meditation instruction (return to the breath) with the larger teachings about groundlessness and basic goodness. You're not following a mechanical technique disconnected from deeper insight. Each time you notice you've been hooked and return to the breath, you're simultaneously practicing acknowledgment, practicing something different, and creating the conditions for connection with spaciousness. Over time, familiarity with positive groundlessness transforms from something frightening or disorienting into something you can relax with and feel at home in—which is precisely when genuine freedom becomes possible.

Where to Go From Here

Continue your meditation practice with this framework in mind. Rather than judging a session by how few thoughts arose, observe the full spectrum of shenpa—from subtle murmurs to elaborate narratives—without resistance. Notice that the instruction to return to the breath is the same at all levels. Pay attention to moments when things open up, whether they feel expansive or slightly uncomfortable, and practice staying present rather than immediately trying to stabilize or escape the groundlessness. Over time, this familiarity transforms the unfamiliar into ground you can actually trust.

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[0:00] so actually a lot of what happens when

[0:03] we're sitting is different degrees of

[0:07] champa so if you have if you're sitting

[0:12] you're with your breath and then there's

[0:15] just a little movement of the mind

[0:20] almost as quiet somewhat subtle doesn't

[0:23] take you away it's like just maybe a

[0:26] murmur or a few words or something like

[0:28] this if you should have such an

[0:30] experience sometimes you don't really

[0:32] even need to label because it it hardly

[0:35] you're hardly gone so you might call

[0:38] that the most subtle of Shen pas you

[0:42] know like non-life-threatening Champa

[0:49] now of course the weather this has been

[0:54] clear or not the purpose of the

[0:55] meditation isn't to get rid of thoughts

[0:58] because actually that's impossible

[1:01] it's the nature of mind to think in the

[1:06] same way that it's the nature of the sky

[1:08] to have clouds but also you know

[1:11] sometimes the clouds part and there's a

[1:13] lot more space and we also experience

[1:16] that in meditation sometimes but a lot

[1:20] of our ongoing meditation is is poking

[1:25] holes in the clouds in other words a lot

[1:29] of clouds and kind of forgetfulness

[1:32] about breathing the out breath or the in

[1:34] and out breath and then we realize that

[1:37] we've been thinking we acknowledge it

[1:39] and we come back so there can be just

[1:42] that little very very very subtle Shemp

[1:46] ah and then it then we experience on our

[1:49] meditation all degrees of it so then

[1:52] then there's the like two sentences in

[1:57] the thought is like two sentences long

[2:00] and there's a kind of like recognition

[2:02] and again you might not even label

[2:06] because it's so hasn't really taken you

[2:08] away very far but but you realize you've

[2:12] been gone and you just come back

[2:14] it's very very easy so that's no more

[2:16] shampoo but not really very much the

[2:19] hook is just not so strong but then as

[2:23] we know and there are the sessions where

[2:27] you've actually written war and peace

[2:29] and you know are a whole lab reto and

[2:35] actually been all the characters in the

[2:39] offer or the film script or whatever it

[2:41] is and and planned whole meals taken for

[2:47] vacations relived horrific experiences

[2:52] and and worked it out so this time you

[2:54] said the right thing and there's a lot

[2:56] of this which is totally unconscious

[2:59] that I think it's best expressed by the

[3:02] a common expression lost in thought just

[3:06] gone you know so much so that when the

[3:10] Gong goes it's just like amazing to find

[3:22] yourself that you've been sitting here

[3:24] this whole time probably with your eyes

[3:26] open and nevertheless you weren't here

[3:29] that's greater Shanta

[3:37] so really you don't have you you're not

[3:40] being asked or even suggested that you

[3:42] change the technique at all but I think

[3:44] it's very helpful to know that that's

[3:45] the relationship between what I've been

[3:48] teaching and the practice that you've

[3:51] been doing and then this morning I

[3:55] talked about you know acknowledging and

[3:58] then doing something I mean all along

[4:00] I've been talking about acknowledging

[4:01] and then doing something different well

[4:04] believe me coming back to the breath is

[4:07] doing something different something

[4:10] dramatically different and interestingly

[4:13] enough it is like a pause and it and you

[4:17] are with the breath either with the in

[4:20] and out breath or with just the out

[4:21] breath and then when I was talking about

[4:24] connecting with the basic goodness or

[4:27] our Buddha nature or the big sky and

[4:32] that's like there's that possibility

[4:34] when you're back when you're here with

[4:37] the immediacy of your experience the

[4:40] immediacy of just here in your body with

[4:43] the breath there's the possibility there

[4:46] of things beginning to open up and

[4:48] connecting with Big Sky so what I was

[4:53] referring to as positive groundlessness

[4:56] also during these talks I think really

[4:59] the the experience of the Big Sky mind

[5:03] and the expression positive

[5:05] groundlessness they're the same thing

[5:07] and maybe it's coming at it from the

[5:10] point of view of Big Sky mine is like

[5:12] when things open up and there's the

[5:14] feeling of expansiveness and insight and

[5:18] out of the cocoon and maybe the other

[5:22] positive groundlessness I use that

[5:24] expression for more when when you feel

[5:28] it you feel it is somewhat scary and

[5:31] threatening that you're sort of there

[5:34] without the props of all the Shen pas

[5:36] and all the thoughts and all the

[5:38] emotions and there's this unfamiliar

[5:40] state of openness and just being there

[5:44] with just breath and nothing else going

[5:47] on and maybe then you could think of it

[5:50] as positive groundlessness as something

[5:53] that's worth hanging out in until it

[5:57] becomes something you can relax with and

[5:59] feel comfortable about so the term

[6:02] positive groundlessness I bring it in

[6:04] because people do in in their regular

[6:07] life when they become start practicing

[6:10] this way and in their meditation you do

[6:12] many many many most of us encounter

[6:15] times of uneasiness and and you could

[6:21] call it a anxiety or that it's not

[6:25] familiar you you you don't have the

[6:28] usual ground and that just think of it

[6:31] it's the same thing as the big sky but

[6:34] you could call it positive ground

[6:38] so the so I hope that helps and brings

[6:41] together some connection between the

[6:44] practice that we're doing and the

[6:48] technique that I think that Ani trimmer

[6:51] has been injured has introduced you to

[6:52] and that you've been doing here this

[6:54] weekend

[7:17] [Music]

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American Tibetan Buddhist nun (Vajrayana, Shambhala lineage), longtime resident teacher at Gampo Abbey, Nova Scotia. Student of Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche. Her teachings on staying p…

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Frequently Asked Questions

Shenpa is the Tibetan Buddhist term for the hook that pulls you into unconscious identification with thoughts and emotions, pulling attention away from the present moment. In meditation, it manifests at different intensities—from barely noticeable mental murmurs to complete absorption in elaborate inner narratives—and recognizing these degrees helps normalize the actual experience of sitting practice rather than treating wandering attention as failure.
No. Thinking is the nature of mind, just as clouds are the nature of sky. Meditation practice does not aim to stop thoughts but to change your relationship to them. The actual practice consists of recognizing when you've been hooked (lost in thought), returning to the breath, and gradually developing comfort with open, spacious awareness.
Positive groundlessness is the open, spacious state of mind that arises when you're not held up by habitual thoughts and emotions. It can feel unfamiliar or even slightly threatening because there's no familiar ground to stand on, but with practice it becomes a state worth relaxing into—the doorway to genuine freedom and basic goodness.
Complete absorption in thought is simply the strongest degree of shenpa, not a failure. When you notice it (even when the meditation bell rings), the instruction remains the same: acknowledge that you've been hooked and return to the breath. The return itself is 'doing something different' and creates a pause that allows connection with spaciousness.
No. The instruction to return to the breath stays the same. What changes is your understanding of the relationship between that instruction and what's actually happening—you're learning to recognize different degrees of the hook, practicing acknowledgment, and creating conditions for connection with basic goodness and big sky mind.
Yes. Practitioners often encounter moments of uneasiness or disorientation in daily life when the familiar ground feels unstable. This is the same state as big sky mind, but experienced from an angle that feels exposing rather than expansive. Recognizing it as positive groundlessness helps you relax into the opening rather than scrambling to rebuild familiar ground.

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