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Inspiration

Who Is Really Being Hurt? Inside a Family Self-Inquiry

Byron Katie
Byron Katie
Oct 1, 2026
9 min read
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A woman is angry at her brother. He has been talking with her 11-year-old nephew about pornography, and in her telling he is sexualizing the boy, teaching him about sex in harmful ways, and indoctrinating him. In the second part of a session recorded during a live Zoom gathering, Byron Katie does not argue with that story and does not tell the guest she is wrong to feel what she feels. Instead she slows the story down, one sentence at a time, until its certainty starts to crack. The sentence at the center is simple: "I want him to stop harming my nephew." What the session shows, with humor and real discomfort, is how that sentence quietly builds a whole world of suffering, and how the same sentence, turned around, reveals who is actually paying for it.

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What is "The Work," and why does it start with one sentence?

Katie's method, which she calls The Work, is a form of self-inquiry built on a deceptively small move. You write or speak a stressful thought, then test it against four questions and a set of reversals. The session makes the mechanics visible. The questions come up again and again: Is it true? Can you really know that it's true? How do you react when you believe it? What happens to you, in your body and in your future, when you do? Katie also keeps returning to the idea of looking at "where your ego takes you into the future" while you are watching the people in front of you.

The format matters because it refuses to argue about the story in the abstract. Debating whether the brother is a good father gets nowhere. Katie wants the guest to look at a specific scene, at a dinner table, with a specific boy and a specific man, and then to notice what her mind is doing with it.

How does a sentence turn around?

The turnaround is the most distinctive tool in the session, and it is where the room starts to shift. At about 1:42 the guest states her wish: she wants her brother to stop harming her nephew. "Yeah. Period. That feels good," she says. Katie then asks whether it is true, and the answer, in that situation, is no. The reversal comes at about 7:17, when the sentence is turned around to point at the person speaking. "I want me to stop harming," the guest offers, and then, asked what name belongs in that position, she names the others.

"You know, my nephew, then my brother, and then me, right? So, it just feels like everybody gets hurt."

— RM, in the session (about 4:31)

Katie explains why she values these reversals. "Sometimes I like these turnarounds just work for me like a prayer," she says in the session, "I just really mean it." The point is not to flip the thought into a comforting platitude. It is to test whether the reversed version is as true as the original, and to notice where the original was pointing its finger, often back at the one holding it.

Can you really know it's true?

This is where the session earns its title. The guest keeps reaching for the same certainties: her brother was harmful, her nephew would be damaged, the talk was sexual in a bad way. Katie keeps asking her to slow down and check the evidence in the actual moment rather than the one she has built around it.

She asks the guest to "be there now" and to witness the dinner table again, as if for the first time. Then she traces what really happened. The nephew gets up, goes to the bathroom for a while, and comes back. In the scene as the guest describes it, nothing overtly harmful is said. When Katie presses, the guest concedes the point herself: "There was nothing. There was no bad ways in the moment. It's just all of my judgment about..." Katie confirms the logic: "So no proof in reality."

The guest's own summary is the most useful line in the session: "It's literally just, you know, a little little thing gave me an opportunity to rewrite, build my story." Katie's question is not whether anything could ever be wrong. It is whether the belief that something is wrong, right now, is supported by anything you can see. The distinction matters, and the session is careful to honor it. Asking for proof is not the same as saying a child is safe.

What does a "don't know" mind look like in a family argument?

Around 4:55 the session takes a turn that is likely to surprise readers. Katie offers an alternative picture that the guest's anger has no room for. Perhaps the nephew was asking his father a serious question about erections that he was having without meaning to, and did not know what to do with, in a conversation that was meant to be private. The guest's reply is the core of the "don't know" stance: "It's a don't know."

The conversation widens into a personal memory of raising sons and of father-and-son conversations the speaker was never part of. "There are fillers there when it comes to father-son talks that I didn't have privy to," one participant says, describing a scene she once witnessed from a house on a river and laughing about how little it had mattered. The point is not that every such conversation is innocent. It is that the guest's mind had leapt straight from one ambiguous moment to a verdict, and the verdict had already decided what the boy would become.

The guest, to her credit, names the mechanism without prompting. "The judgment for me then, my ego immediately is like, well, he's not doing it right," she says. "Whatever is happening is not healthy and it's not sane." Katie picks up the thread: how can a boy learn about his body and healthy humanness from a man who is "insane"? "It's just so hard when your mind is trained that he's guilty," the guest concedes.

In one of the more candid exchanges, the guest also says she would rather her brother be talking openly than teaching fear around sex and the body, and she acknowledges the limits of her own vantage point. "I never had to deal with my own penis," she says, and the room laughs with her, which is part of the session's strange warmth. The humor does not dismiss the concern. It loosens the grip of the story long enough for the guest to see that she is not in charge of everyone's conversations.

What happens when the room joins in?

Later in the session Katie opens the conversation to other participants, asking for takeaways from their own worksheets. One caller, speaking around 22:22, describes how a lifetime of anger had "just ruled my life," and how questioning a story showed her that the suffering was located in the mind rather than in the event. Another participant begins to describe the difference between what she sees and what she reacts to. These are not dramatic breakthroughs. They are the ordinary, repeated work of asking a thought "is it true?" and then waiting for the answer to come from the body and the present rather than from the old script.

"But we can wake up to the reality of our hearts and see the human race in a way that we may have missed."

— Byron Katie, in the session

Katie's closing reflection frames the entire exercise as a matter of ego. "It's an ego's world when you know all suffering," she says, "and it's still an ego's world whether we're suffering or not." The line is not a call to disengage from family conflict. It is a reminder that the mind writing the verdict and the mind feeling the verdict are the same mind, and that the brother, the nephew, and the guest are all living inside whatever story gets repeated most often.

Does this replace protecting a child?

It does not, and the session itself keeps returning to that boundary. The Work asks you to question your beliefs and to look for evidence. It does not ask you to dismiss evidence that exists or to assume a child is safe because a worksheet says so. If there is any real indication that a child is being harmed, that is a matter for the people and services responsible for protecting children, not for a self-inquiry session. The value of the exercise is that it lets a worried adult stop acting from a storm of certainty long enough to see clearly what she actually knows, what she is guessing, and what she can do next.

Where to go from here

If this session stirred something, the practical next step is to try the method on your own, starting with a single sentence you keep repeating about someone you love. Write the thought as a judgment. Ask whether it is true, whether you can really know it's true, how you react when you believe it, and who you would be without it. Then turn it around, and look for the real examples that fit the reversal as well as the original. Keep the scope small. The guest in this session did not solve the whole family situation in one sitting. She found one honest answer at a time.

The video is the second part of an ongoing session, so start with the first part if you can, and consider joining Katie's live Zoom gatherings. The session notes that "At Home with Byron Katie" meets on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays at 9 a.m. Pacific Time, and that registration is available at athomewithbyronkatie.com. Watching a stranger's worksheet be questioned in real time is a different experience than reading about it, and it is often the fastest way to hear how the questions sound when they are asked honestly.

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[0:01] [music]

[0:09] Hello everyone [music] and welcome to

[0:11] part two. I love that you joined us. My

[0:14] [music] guest today is RM and she's

[0:17] disturbed and angry with her brother

[0:20] because she sees [music] him as

[0:22] sexualizing her nephew and she sees him

[0:26] as teaching him sexual things in bad

[0:30] ways and [music] indoctrinating him. And

[0:32] oh, are you in for a treat also? There's

[0:35] a lot [music] of humor in this. And I'm

[0:38] going to leave it all to you. And

[0:40] welcome to this podcast. [music] Welcome

[0:41] to Self Inquiry. Open your mind, open

[0:45] your heart, and together [music]

[0:47] let's move into part two.

[0:56] [music]

[1:00] [music]

[1:04] Okay, precious. Let's look at number

[1:07] two. In that situation,

[1:10] you can see them. You're a little more

[1:12] awake now. You could be right, but you

[1:15] have no proof. You weren't in the

[1:18] bathroom with your nephew.

[1:21] >> What do you want? What do you want?

[1:24] >> Uh, I want him to not be harmful. And I

[1:28] would assume it's it's to my nephew, but

[1:31] I mean, I could apply it, you know.

[1:32] >> Yeah. You want

[1:35] >> brother to what? Stop being harmful.

[1:39] >> Yeah. Because there's an assumption that

[1:40] he's being harmful.

[1:41] >> Yeah.

[1:42] >> I want him to stop harming. Yeah.

[1:45] Period. That feels that feels good.

[1:48] >> Yeah. Okay. So, remember we're talking

[1:51] about that situation. You have no proof.

[1:54] [laughter]

[1:55] You have no

[1:59] [clears throat] soon as you go to the

[2:00] situation. It's like just, you know,

[2:03] just such a [laughter]

[2:06] >> You want him to stop harming your

[2:08] nephew? Is it true?

[2:11] >> In that situation,

[2:14] no.

[2:16] >> Look at them. They're having a

[2:19] a

[2:19] >> literally no problem.

[2:20] >> Sun talk.

[2:26] >> And how do you how do you react? What

[2:29] happens? Look at where your ego takes

[2:31] you into the future as you're witnessing

[2:33] them at the table.

[2:35] >> It's It's hell. It really is. I it's

[2:38] it's you know there's it brings up

[2:40] worlds truthfully and

[2:43] >> and it's I just keep

[2:46] >> seeing so clearly the the disconnect

[2:49] like the

[2:51] and I'm anxious and I'm fearful and I'm

[2:54] you know feel like this solo person

[2:57] who's holding accountability and

[3:02] >> and notice in that situation you're

[3:04] you're in in time your nephew goes back

[3:06] to the table and and then do you ever

[3:11] walk into the room?

[3:13] >> I I I think I'm try I he came back out

[3:17] and then I think I left. I think I went

[3:21] up and took a nap. I was like uh because

[3:25] I went in and probably did a worksheet

[3:27] to be honest. [laughter]

[3:28] >> Yeah. to be honest truthfully because I

[3:32] was having such a reaction in the moment

[3:34] you know and sitting there and trying to

[3:37] keep myself grounded you know and but

[3:40] it's still

[3:41] >> and the was was the cause trying to keep

[3:44] yourself grounded

[3:47] [laughter]

[3:47] >> was it what you were your imagination

[3:50] your ego

[3:51] >> or yeah

[3:52] >> them that were the cause of your

[3:54] suffering

[3:55] >> it's it's my entire imagination Yeah.

[4:00] >> And in such a

[4:03] >> such real ways.

[4:06] >> Yeah.

[4:08] >> You know,

[4:09] >> I want him to stop harming my nephew

[4:13] turned around. And sometimes I like the

[4:16] these turnarounds just work for me like

[4:18] like a prayer. I just really mean it.

[4:21] How would you turn that around? I want

[4:23] me to stop harming.

[4:27] What name would you put there?

[4:29] >> L3.

[4:31] >> Yeah.

[4:31] >> You know, immediately.

[4:33] >> Oh.

[4:34] >> You know, my nephew, then my brother,

[4:36] and then me, right? So, it just feels

[4:38] like everybody gets hurt.

[4:41] >> Yeah.

[4:43] >> By this,

[4:45] [snorts]

[4:45] >> you know, I I I have a thought. I don't

[4:48] I it's it's like

[4:52] you just have no idea if your nephew was

[4:55] asking his dad some serious question

[4:57] about erections he's having that he's

[4:59] not doing on purpose and he doesn't know

[5:01] what to do and it's a confidential talk

[5:03] and

[5:05] what do you do what do you do with that?

[5:07] What what do you do with that? He's

[5:10] >> not

[5:11] >> I don't know. I don't know. It's

[5:14] certainly out of my league and

[5:15] territory,

[5:17] but I had two sons and

[5:22] >> it's it's a don't know.

[5:25] >> It's a it's a don't know. But there are

[5:29] fillers fillers there when it comes to

[5:32] fatherson talks that I didn't have

[5:37] privy to.

[5:39] >> [laughter]

[5:39] >> I really remember walking out and oh, we

[5:42] lived on this we had this this this

[5:46] house and we had our own private bay

[5:48] where the river,

[5:50] you know, it was in in our front yard

[5:53] with this amazing bay with a boat dock

[5:55] and everything and they would stand out

[5:57] and these little boys would stand out of

[5:58] the pier and pee into them. And then one

[6:01] day I saw three of them out there

[6:04] [laughter]

[6:04] with

[6:06] just having the time of their their

[6:08] lives just being into the on the boat

[6:11] talk. You know, it's I just don't have I

[6:15] just it was okay with them and it wasn't

[6:18] my arena. So I just

[6:22] my ego just didn't do anything with it.

[6:25] It's just um Yeah,

[6:28] it was guess I think of it now. It was

[6:31] it was like a a father something.

[6:34] [laughter] I don't know.

[6:38] >> Yeah.

[6:39] >> I mean I think Yeah. Yeah. I think it um

[6:43] you know I was laughing because the

[6:45] judgment for me then will my ego

[6:47] immediately is like well he's not doing

[6:48] it right. Whatever is happening is not

[6:51] it's not healthy and it's not sane.

[6:54] >> It's not sane. So, how can you teach,

[6:57] >> you know, body and sex and, you know,

[7:00] healthy humanness if he's insane, you

[7:03] know?

[7:04] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's just so hard when your

[7:07] mind is trained that he's guilty to uh

[7:12] but but but

[7:14] we digress. Let's I want him to stop

[7:17] harming my nephew. turn around. I want

[7:19] me to

[7:21] >> even the way that I, you know, pulled

[7:24] away in a certain way um this last, you

[7:28] know, in a, you know, for this time and

[7:30] >> yeah, in some way it's like you lost

[7:32] your brother, you lost your nephew

[7:36] >> as they really are. you just slap those

[7:39] identities on them. But you're not

[7:41] guilty that you know it's it's it's it's

[7:43] an ego's world when you know all

[7:46] suffering

[7:48] and it's still an ego's world whether

[7:50] we're suffering or not. But but we can

[7:53] wake up to the reality of our hearts and

[7:56] see the human race in a way that we may

[7:59] have missed.

[8:02] So, [laughter]

[8:06] I want him to stop harming my nephew.

[8:10] I want him to stop Boy, this is a

[8:15] stretch.

[8:16] Educating my nephew on what with his

[8:20] penis sometimes as he he's entering

[8:23] adolescence.

[8:25] >> Yeah.

[8:27] Every father does their best and we're

[8:30] [laughter] like mothers, fathers, you

[8:31] know.

[8:32] >> I mean, you know, I I would rather

[8:37] that what I saw than a sort of like more

[8:41] fear ba, you know, teaching more fear

[8:44] around sex and masturbate, you know,

[8:47] around the body, all of those things. So

[8:49] like in that way I can see uh it being

[8:53] education and

[8:55] and you know like you mentioned I I

[8:58] don't have a penis so I don't [laughter]

[9:00] you know it's like

[9:02] >> you never had to you never had to deal

[9:04] with your own penis.

[9:06] >> I never had to deal with my own

[9:07] >> you've been dealing with your with your

[9:10] your nephew's penis. [laughter]

[9:13] >> Exactly. and anybody else, right?

[9:15] There's other people, right? I've been

[9:17] dealing with penises, but not my

[9:19] personal.

[9:20] >> Yeah.

[9:22] >> Okay, sweetie. Let's look at three.

[9:26] [laughter]

[9:27] >> Uh, in this situation, he shouldn't say

[9:30] sexual things or teach him his bad ways,

[9:34] indoctrinate.

[9:35] >> He was saying harmful things to your

[9:38] nephew,

[9:39] >> right?

[9:40] >> So, get still with it. Be there now.

[9:42] That's where you're going to find your

[9:43] answers. Be then now witness again.

[9:49] He is saying sexual things to your

[9:51] nephew in a bad way. Is it true? Can you

[9:56] really know that it's true? He's saying

[9:59] sexual things in a bad way to your

[10:02] nephew. Then your nephew gets up, goes

[10:04] into the bathroom for 20 minutes. He

[10:07] [snorts] said sexual things in a bad way

[10:10] to your nephew.

[10:12] Can you really know that it's true?

[10:14] Check it out.

[10:18] >> Check it out.

[10:20] Look, look for any kind of proof.

[10:24] It just feels like uh

[10:28] it's just my,

[10:30] you know, there was nothing. There was

[10:32] no bad ways in the moment. It it's it's

[10:35] just all of my judgment about

[10:38] >> so no proof in reality.

[10:42] >> It's literally just, you know, a little

[10:45] little thing gave me an opportunity to

[10:50] rewrite, build my story. Oh, it was a

[10:53] fatherson talk, you know, and

[10:56] >> it was and it that came up from your

[11:01] nephew like, "Dad,

[11:03] >> what's going on? What does this mean?"

[11:05] >> Yeah.

[11:06] [snorts] So, I turned around. I

[11:08] shouldn't think or say sexual things

[11:14] in a bad way to myself about my brother

[11:19] and nephew.

[11:21] >> Yeah.

[11:22] cost.

[11:23] >> Not unless you've got some proof, and it

[11:27] doesn't look like you do. You could be

[11:30] right, but you have no proof.

[11:33] But you, you know, you're you're like

[11:34] the judge. He's guilty,

[11:38] and your nephew as a result is going to

[11:41] be some kind of terrible pervert in the

[11:45] world.

[11:49] Oh, all of you hanging in with us, you

[11:51] know the ego expect anything,

[11:57] expect anything. But if you've got an

[11:59] [clears throat] enemy or someone you

[12:02] have trouble with, that belongs on paper

[12:05] on a judge your neighbor worksheet if

[12:07] you want to straighten your world out.

[12:10] But it has to be authentic

[12:13] as you sit in these questions.

[12:16] Let's look at four. In that situation,

[12:21] >> what do you need to be happy? What do

[12:23] you What do you need them to your

[12:26] brother to think, feel, or do in that

[12:28] situation? Or your nephew?

[12:31] >> I put I need him to stop.

[12:35] Maybe it was an alternative to like

[12:37] being like I've done that where there's

[12:39] these certain spaces where I'm like, I

[12:40] just don't want them to live. Like I

[12:42] don't want them to [laughter]

[12:45] So maybe this was my PC chair. Just just

[12:49] eliminate all of it and control.

[12:53] [laughter]

[12:54] >> Just we're good.

[12:58] Oh, to be happy, you need him to stop.

[13:01] Okay, now look at it again. Don't change

[13:04] anything. Just really look. Look at what

[13:07] you saw. Did you hear anything? Look at

[13:10] it. To be happy.

[13:13] I don't need him to stop.

[13:16] So courage to look.

[13:19] Is there anything off about it that you

[13:22] see or hear?

[13:25] Then your nephew goes to the bathroom.

[13:27] He's back in about 20 minutes. Joins his

[13:30] father again.

[13:33] I don't need

[13:37] my brother to stop.

[13:40] >> Yeah.

[13:42] Whatever it is, it's a father-son thing

[13:46] and you don't know who instigated it.

[13:49] I'm guessing the son, but I I I

[13:52] certainly wouldn't wouldn't know. But as

[13:56] long as you're guessing, it could be.

[13:58] You don't know.

[14:02] So stay there where you're at. Continue

[14:04] to observe.

[14:06] For me to be happy, I need to

[14:11] stop,

[14:14] witness, observe what is there, not what

[14:18] the ego imagines onto it.

[14:22] for you to be happy

[14:24] with your brother, with your nephew,

[14:29] with yourself.

[14:34] Living in your own reality, not your

[14:36] egos.

[14:38] What a world.

[14:40] The way you meet them,

[14:43] the way you see them

[14:46] on the other side of this worksheet. And

[14:48] if it should

[14:51] become

[14:52] like old school again, another

[14:55] worksheet.

[14:57] Those of you new to the work, this isn't

[14:58] about this isn't about making it feel

[15:02] better. This is real. It takes courage

[15:06] to sit in what we're witnessing here

[15:09] with RM

[15:11] and her ability to sit in her open mind.

[15:17] and courage.

[15:20] >> Thank you.

[15:22] >> Thank you, RM. Your courage is is just

[15:27] >> oh oh my

[15:30] Okay, dears. Oh my goodness. Natalie,

[15:33] honey,

[15:34] >> hi Katie.

[15:35] >> Hi honey. What is your take away from

[15:38] RM's extraordinary courageous work? You

[15:42] know, there was a lot of laughter there,

[15:44] but

[15:45] >> I just her open mind is just Oh, we

[15:49] could just all learn from it.

[15:52] >> It was Well, it was very nice to hear

[15:55] because yesterday I had kind of a

[15:58] situation where I was feeling sexualized

[16:02] and it made me feel super uncomfortable,

[16:05] of course. And when you said like when

[16:09] you when you did the turn around about

[16:12] like you are sexualizing your nephew in

[16:16] my case how I was sexualizing myself cuz

[16:20] this guy looked at me up and down and it

[16:23] was very uncomfortable and then hearing

[16:25] the turn around I'm like well actually

[16:28] maybe I was the one who was sexualizing

[16:31] myself cuz he never

[16:34] like said something sexual To me, it was

[16:37] just like how he looked at me. And

[16:40] because I I've had many bad experiences

[16:43] in the past, my body and my mind

[16:48] immediately went

[16:49] >> to those bad experiences and I was like,

[16:53] "Oh god, he's sexualizing me."

[16:56] >> Yeah.

[16:56] >> So, yeah, maybe it was it was me.

[17:00] >> Yeah.

[17:00] >> That was just coming back to those

[17:02] experiences,

[17:03] >> you know, sweetheart. That is really

[17:07] really important realization you had.

[17:10] >> Mhm.

[17:11] >> Yeah.

[17:12] >> Really, it's a little thing. It's a big

[17:16] deal. It'll give you the ability and the

[17:20] grace of being more comfortable in your

[17:22] body.

[17:23] >> Yeah.

[17:24] >> As you're just moving through the world.

[17:27] >> Yeah.

[17:27] >> And men are going to look at you. You're

[17:30] you're gorgeous. But they also look at

[17:33] the sky and trees and they just

[17:36] >> Yes.

[17:37] >> without you holding what you were

[17:40] holding.

[17:42] >> Mhm. [clears throat]

[17:42] >> And being free of it.

[17:44] >> Yeah.

[17:45] >> The freedom I I just I know the freedom

[17:49] of that. And it's just you meet people

[17:52] you never would have met before

[17:55] >> and you're comfortable in places where

[17:58] >> Anyway, I'm very excited for you, honey.

[18:00] ended.

[18:01] >> Yeah.

[18:02] >> Thank you, Katie with us.

[18:03] >> Yeah.

[18:04] >> Yeah.

[18:04] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I forgot what I was

[18:07] going to say. Oh, yeah. That I was very

[18:10] like literally suffering last

[18:11] [clears throat] night about it. I didn't

[18:13] sleep well and I woke up feeling super

[18:15] uncomfortable in my body today and like

[18:19] kind of shut down. So yeah, it was it

[18:24] was a very very deep and very personal

[18:29] work for me as well today listening to

[18:32] her. She was a really good teacher

[18:34] today.

[18:34] >> I love when you when you all come with

[18:38] judge your neighbor worksheets. It's

[18:40] it's your work supports the rest of us.

[18:45] >> Yes. Yeah. It's incredible. It's

[18:47] absolutely incredible. And just if you

[18:50] are not in this community when you start

[18:52] doing the work you can help people from

[18:56] your inner cycle as well.

[18:58] >> So true. It's so true.

[19:00] >> Yeah. It's incredible.

[19:01] >> Yeah. Truly truly. Thank you honey.

[19:05] Thank you for love you Katie

[19:08] honey.

[19:10] >> Oh Barbara your takeaway. Well, I find

[19:15] that I'm criticizing and judging myself

[19:17] all the time, and I think I got it from

[19:19] my mother, but I react when other people

[19:22] criticize me.

[19:24] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great take.

[19:28] >> I I can't I can't stop it. I mean, I can

[19:30] do the work, but I still

[19:32] >> I'm still reacting.

[19:34] >> You know, you don't have to stop. You're

[19:36] awake to it. You know, your ego is just

[19:38] going to do what it does. But

[19:41] [clears throat] this is where attachment

[19:43] and nonattachment

[19:45] it's the meaning of that you know that

[19:49] [laughter]

[19:49] that will flow through your head again

[19:52] and it could be you're away you just

[19:55] don't attach to it you'll just be

[19:58] noticing it's not something to stop or

[20:01] change the way you have seen it is if

[20:06] I'm hearing you correctly when you first

[20:08] started talking you you saw it and um

[20:13] and you could experience that very

[20:15] differently. Who knows? But let us know.

[20:19] >> Well, I I mean I can say the statements.

[20:21] I can write them like I don't I want him

[20:25] to keep teasing me, but that's not true.

[20:28] >> Well, no. These turnarounds these

[20:30] turnarounds aren't something else to

[20:32] believe. There's something else to just

[20:35] try on. You know, I want him to continue

[20:39] to sexualize me.

[20:42] Okay,

[20:44] where do I go with that? There's nothing

[20:46] I can do to stop him.

[20:49] I want him to Why would I want nothing I

[20:53] do to stop him?

[20:55] That opens up a whole

[20:58] whole thing, you know? I mean, all this

[21:01] time he hasn't stopped.

[21:03] So

[21:06] I I can't change him. I have to change

[21:08] my reaction or my judgment or my

[21:11] criticism. I think

[21:13] >> Yeah. And and and one way of doing that,

[21:17] you know, Barbara, is you're you're

[21:19] you're on track here, you know, do a

[21:22] full judge and neighbor worksheet on

[21:24] that guy and make make I want him to

[21:26] stop to to uh not tease me, not

[21:29] sexualize me. make that number one on

[21:32] your judge your neighbor worksheet and

[21:34] then fill it in and and just that is

[21:38] just to fill in a worksheet is it brings

[21:43] so much to to realize as you fill in the

[21:47] worksheet and so you know I leave you

[21:51] with that idea as as well thank you

[21:54] thank you Barbara

[21:56] Bruce honey your takeaway from today's

[21:59] work Hi. My biggest takeaway is probably

[22:03] be like open-minded and don't let your

[22:06] ego

[22:08] uh don't let your ego control your

[22:10] control your mind.

[22:12] >> Yeah. It's like we don't have to believe

[22:14] everything we think. And these

[22:16] worksheets give us that. But until

[22:19] we sit in this practice, in my

[22:22] experience, my ego just ruled my life.

[22:25] No matter how I tried to stop it, it

[22:27] ruled my life. But self-realization and

[22:31] and is just is what I'm what I'm

[22:36] thinking true when I'm bothered about

[22:39] something, you know, it's just

[22:41] laughable. It's it's I I don't know. I

[22:45] have no proof so often and and it's

[22:49] silent in me now. [clears throat] It's

[22:51] just this work will give you like a

[22:54] silent

[22:56] >> is it true? And it's it's like an

[22:59] implant in our head that comes between

[23:03] life and the ego.

[23:04] >> Yeah. Also, I just want to give you a

[23:07] very quick update around the question.

[23:10] >> Yeah. Update on that superintendent of

[23:12] yours.

[23:12] >> Yeah. I think related to my question on

[23:15] my boss, the relationship between me and

[23:17] boss because yesterday I asked you uh

[23:20] because I believe that my boss probably

[23:22] is unfair, unlikable, inhuman and

[23:26] probably meanspirited and you asked me

[23:29] to do the job your neighbor worksheet uh

[23:32] in a bot approach and I did follow

[23:34] guidance.

[23:35] >> Yay. And uh yeah and I think amazingly I

[23:38] did the I I just skip some steps and

[23:42] just uh go directly to the turnar around

[23:45] part. So not only I apply the turnar

[23:48] around on myself but also on my manager

[23:52] and what I find is quite like

[23:55] fascinating cuz here I think I I

[23:59] gradually find probably he's fair in his

[24:02] own way in a sense that he stick to his

[24:05] own like value judgment framework and

[24:09] equally applies it to like everyone

[24:12] surrounding him. So as long as you show

[24:15] recognition to his value framework, she

[24:18] pro he will probably extend his

[24:20] unconditional support and probably

[24:24] second like the turnar around is I

[24:26] gradually find probably she is he is

[24:29] also likable and human. He's a family

[24:32] man. Definitely he cares about his

[24:34] family a lot and also he tells jokes and

[24:37] very casual and also he attend extends

[24:41] his unconditional support and trust.

[24:44] >> Yeah. To to to Alex making them feel

[24:49] like [laughter] valued and cherished.

[24:52] >> Yeah. And also in a in a sense he's also

[24:56] generous

[24:57] especially for the guys he likes like

[25:00] money exposure progression opportunities

[25:04] always there and easy to have but

[25:08] >> yeah but I think and also to myself I

[25:11] think probably I'm the guy who is not

[25:15] that fair to myself in a sense

[25:18] >> and not that fair to him. I think I

[25:20] didn't recognize my my own feeling that

[25:24] is probably I don't like this job nature

[25:26] and this one this job might not be a

[25:29] very good fit and it is actually I who

[25:32] force myself to continue to showcase

[25:35] that I'm resilient I am I am strong and

[25:41] also probably I'm sometimes I'm I'm very

[25:44] harsh on myself

[25:46] >> yes you yes you were

[25:47] >> yeah even if I was sick I forced myself

[25:50] to to walk to demonstrate that I am very

[25:54] resilient and I want to like to to like

[25:57] build up my sort of like reputation

[26:01] and yeah I think that's amazing but

[26:05] there is there is a gap to be honest

[26:08] with when it comes to because according

[26:11] to your worksheet the the ultimate sign

[26:15] that you finally overcome this problem

[26:18] that I'm willing, I'm open, I'm looking

[26:22] forward to experiencing something

[26:24] similar [clears throat] like self blame.

[26:26] So, so do I do you mean I I should be

[26:29] looking forward to experience

[26:32] >> look forward to it? Yeah, because it

[26:34] will give you another worksheet. That's

[26:37] the purpose of number six. I'm willing

[26:40] to I look forward to having another

[26:44] problem because that will take me to

[26:48] another judge your neighbor worksheet.

[26:50] >> Is that the the whole purpose of this

[26:53] work is to end your pain to end your

[26:56] problems. So why should I look forward

[26:59] to like uh experiencing self glam

[27:03] self-doubt?

[27:04] >> Because there's unfinished business

[27:07] unfinished business. I see

[27:11] >> you discovered a lot in your worksheet.

[27:14] And don't you want more?

[27:16] >> Yeah, for for sure. Yeah.

[27:18] >> Well, so so there it is. I'm willing to

[27:21] I look forward to more.

[27:22] >> Yeah, because actually I'm traveling

[27:24] today. So when I was on the high train,

[27:28] I just read through the the book uh a

[27:32] mind of home with heart. And I think

[27:35] probably just a final like followup

[27:37] question for from my side is you come I

[27:40] think in that book like in chapter three

[27:43] I think you come up with a pair of

[27:45] phrases called don't know mine and I

[27:49] know mine and according to you like

[27:52] Buddha lives on don't know mind

[27:54] therefore he's free and can you probably

[27:58] elaborate a bit on the status or what is

[28:02] like in in in the status of don't know

[28:04] It's actually beyond my

[28:07] wild imagination, you know, cuz

[28:09] >> Well, you thought you knew about you

[28:11] thought you knew about your boss, but

[28:14] there's some things that you're more

[28:16] awake to now that you weren't then.

[28:19] >> So, you've gone from the don't know mind

[28:22] to a clearer mind. And a worksheet a day

[28:29] will give you an amazing life. And thank

[28:32] you, Bruce.

[28:34] Yeah, thank you so much. Oh,

[28:36] >> you're welcome, honey. Keep keep going.

[28:38] Keep checking in, Magdalina.

[28:41] >> Oh, hello, Katie. I'm so grateful to be

[28:44] here and thank you so much for this

[28:46] gift. I'm very moved by Yeah, I'm very

[28:49] moved by the courage of RM. And I was

[28:53] also moved for your ongoing

[28:55] encouragement to to be open to not

[28:59] knowing and to allow the authentic

[29:02] answer from inside.

[29:05] >> And I was also moved by what you say to

[29:08] her that you said something like this

[29:10] that you you might be right in your

[29:12] observation or in your interpretation,

[29:15] but that it still didn't justify the

[29:18] punishing behavior.

[29:19] >> Yes. Yeah. And and the ego would say

[29:22] we're so justified because I know what

[29:25] he did. And that's that's that is the I

[29:30] know mind. Oh, this I know mind I take

[29:34] to a judge and neighbor worksheet. Now

[29:36] my mind's open and and it's just so

[29:40] beautiful to

[29:42] to be open-minded to this what this

[29:45] seemingly crazy world and I could

[29:50] eliminate

[29:52] one human be being that's not so crazy

[29:55] with fear and that would be me. And I

[29:58] hope that that you can all, you know,

[30:01] just just um continue to give yourself

[30:04] the the same privilege of being the one

[30:06] that is not just

[30:08] living in a cruel world. Yeah. You know,

[30:12] people can afford to be cruel, but uh

[30:16] can you can I No, we can do better. We

[30:21] can do better. All of you, thank you for

[30:24] an amazing week. And um and thanks your

[30:27] contributions also and that allows us to

[30:31] keep staff and I just to keep keep

[30:33] coming back and meeting you online and

[30:36] and it it's such a privilege. Such a

[30:39] privilege. and

[30:47] [music]

[30:52] By the way, everyone, if you enjoyed

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The Work is a self-inquiry method in which you identify a stressful thought, examine it through questions such as "Is it true?" and "Can you really know that it's true?", notice how you react when you believe it, and then test a turnaround. The session shows the method applied to a real family conflict, step by step.
A turnaround reverses a judgment, for example turning "I want him to stop harming my nephew" into "I want me to stop harming" or pointing it at yourself or another person. In the session, the guest finds that the reversed sentence reveals how many people are being hurt by the original thought.
In the session, Katie asks you to witness the actual moment and look for proof rather than what your mind has built around it. If you cannot point to evidence in the present scene, the belief may be a story rather than a fact.
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