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Inspiration

What Makes a Life Meaningful? Lessons From Atisha's Lamp

Dalai Lama
Dalai Lama
Mar 26, 2013
8 min read
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On the first morning of a three-day teaching in New Delhi in March 2013, the Dalai Lama opened with a question he says he asks himself before he teaches anyone: how is this one life being used? The session drew on Atisha's Lamp for the Path to Enlightenment and Je Tsongkhapa's Lines of Experience, two foundational texts of the Buddhist path, but the first hours were less about doctrine than about ordinary human experience. His argument moves through a single spine. A meaningful life is one that leaves real, lasting satisfaction rather than a quick high. Human intelligence is a powerful tool that can also generate anxiety. Affection, which every person receives at birth, is the root of security, and warm-heartedness is what carries it forward into friendship, calm, and health.

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How does a teacher open a talk about the path to enlightenment?

The talk did not begin with scripture. It began in a room of people, with a joke about aging. "Good afternoon everybody," the Dalai Lama said, and then asked who was attending for the first time. He turned to the returning listeners and asked whether they could see a change in his face. He said he had undergone cataract surgery, first on his right eye the previous February and then on the left in July, and that his vision was now clear. The laughter in the hall is audible on the recording.

The aside was not idle. He used it to make a point about time. "One year passed, time always go, always move," he said. No force can stop it, and the only real choice is how we use it, whether minute by minute or decade by decade, "meaningful or just wasting time, or sometimes time used for destructive work." He then told a story from his own calendar. He had been invited to the Maha Kumbh at Allahabad, a gathering he had attended three times before, and a chartered plane had been arranged from Dharamsala. Weather grounded the flight on the scheduled day. It was postponed, and bad weather returned on the new date. He said that this was "beyond my control but God control," and that he felt a little sad, because the next Kumbh was twelve years away, by which point he would be around ninety. [around 8:21]

That detour is the teaching in miniature. A missed trip is a reminder that the days are finite and that the question of how to spend them cannot be postponed to a more convenient moment.

What does "meaningful" actually mean in daily life?

The Dalai Lama gave the word a working definition. A meaningful day is one in which you genuinely feel satisfaction, the kind that remains after the activity ends. He was candid that some harmful behavior does produce a feeling of gain. Cheating, bullying, and exploiting others can deliver a satisfaction "at the immediate level." But over the long run, he said, the person doing it feels doubt, and even a non-believer, who sees no concern in God or future lives, can feel "a little uneasiness" as a human being. [around 5:22]

From this he drew the distinction at the heart of the talk: immediate pleasure versus lasting satisfaction. He framed the difference through a single line: "That's the meaningful life." Activities that leave you at peace are meaningful; activities that leave you uneasy, however exciting, are not.

Why doesn't money or power bring lasting satisfaction?

He was blunt on this point. "Money will not give you real satisfaction." He described a pattern many listeners will recognize: when you think only of money, greed grows, and as a result you never reach satisfaction and always want more. Compassion is the alternative he offered, both in action and in attitude. Compassionate thought and conduct, he said, gives "genuine long-lasting satisfaction." The argument is not moral posturing. It is a claim about how the mind works, and he invited the audience to test it against their own lives rather than accept it on authority.

He also set a personal standard for the teacher. He said that as a Buddhist monk, before telling others anything, he has to check his own motivation and how he uses his own time. The talk was, in that sense, an exercise in self-examination offered to everyone in the room.

Why does human intelligence sometimes produce suffering?

The teaching's introduction, he explained, moves in two stages. First, one considers the human level: all sentient beings experience pleasure and pain, and all want happiness and wish to avoid suffering. Animals share feeling and some cognitive ability, but he noted they have far less of the thinking power, memory, and language that humans have. That capacity is a gift, because it gives us "much bigger sort of ability" to create happiness and reduce suffering.

The complication is that the same intelligence can become the source of problems. He observed that stress and worry now affect physical health as well as mental life, and that more educated, more sophisticated minds can carry more worry, because they carry more expectations, hopes, and fears. Human memory is strong, and our capacity for writing and language lets us carry grievances across lifetimes and across generations. Anger and hatred can be inherited through culture in a way they are not among animals. [around 8:21 to 10:50]

The question he poses is not whether intelligence is good or bad. It is how to use the intelligence so that it becomes a source of calm rather than anxiety. His answer begins with something simpler than intellect.

Is affection a biological fact or a religious one?

Here the talk makes its most distinctive move. Affection, he said, is part of us from birth. Infants and young animals receive it from their mothers, and it gives them a sense of security and self-confidence. He was emphatic that this has nothing to do with religion: "biological factor, no question." That sense of security, he argued, is an immense help to the proper growth of the body's cells, and a comfortable mental state supports physical development. [around 16:05]

He tied this to research he said he had heard about. Some scientists, he reported, have found that constant fear and constant hatred and anger are very bad for health. "Calm mind is very very important for our health," he said. The practical question then becomes how to cultivate calm, and his answer was to draw on the same sharp intelligence that produces worry and redirect it.

He suggested three points of common experience that anyone can check. Everyone is born of a mother. Everyone who has been cared for in the first years of life received physical touch and warmth. And everyone can recall how that early care shaped the feeling of being safe in the world. [around 21:35]

How can you test warm-heartedness in your own friendships?

The practical method he proposed is observational. Look at your own experience, and then look at your friends. Ask how happy or how unhappy the people close to you are, and what makes the difference. His conclusion was that the real sources of happiness in friendship are not money, power, or formal education. They come from warm-heartedness. "Warm-heartedness is really the ultimate source of happiness, ultimate source of physical health," he said.

This is the kind of claim that becomes sharper with use. A reader can turn it into a short practice: pick one friendship that feels deeply satisfying and one that leaves a lingering unease, and ask what the difference is. Almost always, he suggests, the answer comes down to the warmth between people, not the status of either.

How do the introduction and the practice fit together?

The talk is organized around two faces of Buddhist teaching. The introduction establishes the human-level frame: we are sentient beings with intelligence who want happiness. The practice then shows how to turn that intelligence toward calm and compassion. He described the usual sequence in which teachers present the Buddha Dharma, beginning with this kind of introduction and then moving to how to practice. The first day's session was in that introductory mode, laying the ground for what would follow over the three days. [around 10:50]

What did the Dalai Lama say about religious harmony?

The talk also reached toward the social side of the same argument. He spoke about religious harmony and about conflict between traditions, and noted that the wish for happiness and the aversion to suffering are shared across all people. The same warm-heartedness that makes a friendship work, he implied, is the basis for getting along across faiths. Because the recording is partly garbled in this section, it is best read as a sketch of his concern rather than a complete doctrinal statement. [around 32:10]

Where to go from here

The talk is a useful entry point for anyone who wants to think about the path without starting with technical vocabulary. Begin with the simplest test he offers: which of your recent activities left you genuinely satisfied, and which left a quiet unease? Then look at your closest friendships through the lens of warm-heartedness rather than status. The full three-day teaching, organized by the Foundation for Universal Responsibility of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, goes deeper into Atisha's and Je Tsongkhapa's texts. Read the first day as a foundation, and let the human-level questions of satisfaction, intelligence, and affection do the work before the doctrine arrives.

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[0:02] Good afternoon everybody.

[0:14] I think last year

[0:16] also here isn't it?

[0:19] I remember you and some of you

[0:24] same person.

[0:27] Uh

[0:32] I would like to know uh among the sort

[0:35] of audience

[0:37] uh those who first time came here raise

[0:41] hand.

[0:49] Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Right.

[0:55] So then those people who uh participated

[1:00] previously

[1:02] I think one time or two times

[1:05] do you find some change on my face?

[1:10] Not much change.

[1:13] Huh?

[1:14] Actually

[1:18] [Laughter]

[1:23] last year I think February

[1:28] this right eye what called

[1:32] scatter

[1:32] scatter cataract

[1:34] scattered

[1:35] remove

[1:35] remove

[1:37] uh and then July this also

[1:44] Now my eye quite

[1:46] I quite clear quite clear.

[1:50] So some of those bold head you see few

[1:55] hairs I can see.

[2:03] [Laughter]

[2:12] So one year passed,

[2:16] time always go,

[2:19] always move.

[2:21] No force can stop that.

[2:26] Uh it is quite natural.

[2:33] So we have to go according that time

[2:36] movement

[2:38] along around al around that time

[2:40] movement.

[2:43] But one thing I always telling people we

[2:46] have one day uh

[2:50] uh what what we can do is use time

[2:55] properly meaningful

[2:57] sensible

[2:59] or

[3:01] just wasting time or sometimes time used

[3:05] for destructive work

[3:09] that up to

[3:14] So now the very purpose of our gathering

[3:18] here

[3:20] is how to utilize time properly

[3:25] and

[3:29] I think almost minute by minute hour to

[3:33] hour pray and day by day week by week

[3:37] month by month and year by Decade by

[3:40] decade through that way

[3:44] our rest of our whole life becomes

[3:46] something meaningful.

[3:51] So whether I accept

[3:53] uh life after this after death

[3:57] whether I accept or not whether believe

[4:00] or not

[4:02] it is important

[4:04] to spend this very life should be

[4:08] something

[4:10] uh meaningful.

[4:12] So meaningful means

[4:18] what's a day

[4:20] uh time which you really feel you get uh

[4:27] genuine

[4:29] satisfaction

[4:33] you time harming cheating bully

[4:40] you may get some kind of satisfaction

[4:43] At the immediate, immediate level

[4:45] immediate level

[4:47] but long run

[4:50] you yourself

[4:52] also feel some

[4:54] some doubt

[4:57] uh even non-believer

[5:00] too much cheating other people too much

[5:01] telling lies too much bully other

[5:04] exploit other

[5:06] although you see no concern about God or

[5:09] these things but Still as a human being

[5:13] little

[5:15] little

[5:17] uneasiness

[5:18] uneasiness

[5:18] uneasiness.

[5:22] So therefore uh though those thing which

[5:27] uh get

[5:29] genuine deep satisfaction

[5:33] and you you use your time activities

[5:37] which gives you real satisfaction.

[5:40] That's the meaningful life.

[5:45] So money

[5:48] will not give you real satisfaction.

[5:52] Think only money I think greed increase

[5:58] as a result you never get satisfaction

[6:02] always want more more

[6:08] compassionate sort of attitude act or

[6:12] compassion of thought really that gives

[6:16] you

[6:18] genuine longlasting satisfaction.

[6:24] So

[6:28] firstly before telling you as a Buddhist

[6:32] monk I have to check my own

[6:36] uh motivation or uh use how to use how

[6:42] use my own time.

[6:46] Yeah.

[6:52] So

[6:54] now my age

[6:57] uh not nearly

[6:59] 7 78.

[7:01] No 78.

[7:08] Oh, recently

[7:09] uh Mahakumba

[7:12] I received invitation

[7:14] as before as usual.

[7:17] So in the past I think three times Kumba

[7:23] uh I participated.

[7:26] So this is fourth.

[7:28] So I decide I must go.

[7:32] uh uh then

[7:36] the

[7:37] so that that period uh I

[7:42] am Dhanasala. So we arrange a charter

[7:45] plane from Dharmasala to Alabad.

[7:51] But then that very day weather bad.

[7:58] So uh generally speaking uh beyond my

[8:02] control but God control. So God not

[8:05] willing me to participate in

[8:10] then get postponed

[8:13] I think 10 days fixed one day again that

[8:18] day weather uh between there is a good

[8:21] weather but that very day again bad

[8:24] weather.

[8:26] uh so then I felt

[8:28] now

[8:30] uh

[8:33] if I cannot go the

[8:36] this time then next 12 years after 12

[8:41] years means my age 90 years

[8:47] so maybe

[8:50] difficult

[8:52] so I feel a little sad

[8:55] I really very very keen in the past

[8:58] every I visited

[9:02] like that but doesn't matter

[9:06] like that so important day's life must

[9:12] be meaningful life

[9:16] so now

[9:18] our topic the main purpose

[9:21] is let's

[9:23] how to carry our life some meaningful

[9:29] that I usually see they telling people

[9:34] uh uh at the beginning as a introduction

[9:38] of Buddha Dharma

[9:41] and then they how to practice Buddha

[9:44] Dharma. So two

[9:48] two two levels on two

[9:50] two level two two categories

[9:52] two faces two

[9:54] faces

[9:55] two faces yes so now introduction

[10:01] I think

[10:03] all sort of the audience already know uh

[10:09] but I usually used to telling people

[10:12] first we should think on human level we

[10:16] are human being.

[10:19] Uh

[10:21] of course all

[10:24] we usually call sensient being who have

[10:28] the assetive experience of pleasure and

[10:34] pains.

[10:37] We do not consider although there is

[10:39] some sort of debate

[10:42] that these plants also have some feeling

[10:46] or connective power.

[10:48] uh some school of thought now according

[10:52] ancient Indians of thought uh including

[10:56] Buddhism

[10:57] you see there's life

[11:01] uh so certain of their movement or

[11:04] reaction is only chemical

[11:08] due to chemical chemical reactions uh no

[11:12] feeling no mind

[11:17] except These these are the lives

[11:19] otherwise you do all the lives which uh

[11:23] have the feeling of pains and happiness

[11:27] and some kind of cognitive power.

[11:33] So we one of them

[11:36] and within that again this is

[11:39] sophisticated sort of brain

[11:42] which we have

[11:46] and others like animals or insects

[11:51] have the same sort of experience of

[11:54] feeling of pains and pleasure and some

[11:57] cognitive sort of experience or ability.

[12:02] But uh not much sort of thinking power.

[12:06] No

[12:07] intelligence intelligence.

[12:11] Uh we have you see this marvelous

[12:13] intelligence.

[12:15] All sensient being want happy life do

[12:18] not want suffering.

[12:21] uh then we because our unique powerful

[12:27] intelligence.

[12:29] So we have much bigger sort of ability

[12:34] uh to achieve happy happiness and

[12:39] reduce or avoid suffering.

[12:46] But meantime sometimes

[12:48] uh this marvelous intelligence also

[12:51] sometimes is a source of problem.

[12:55] I think even you see physical sort of

[12:57] alo illness also is sometimes too much

[12:59] stress here too much worry that's

[13:02] there's a mental level also dream of

[13:05] physical physical sort of health

[13:11] perhaps more educated people more

[13:15] sophisticated mind sometimes more worry

[13:18] because

[13:20] more sort of expectation more

[13:25] Hopes and fears.

[13:26] Oh no.

[13:27] Hopes and

[13:28] hopes and fears.

[13:29] Fear.

[13:29] No.

[13:31] Because of the this intelligence

[13:34] and the ordinary animal

[13:36] I think much less

[13:40] except images of threat. Otherwise they

[13:43] have not much of the thinking power or

[13:46] past memory. We have because of the

[13:50] intelligence.

[13:51] This is the our memory also is very very

[13:54] strong.

[13:56] And since we have this sort of writing

[13:59] or language

[14:01] uh we have the ability not only uh

[14:05] memory within our own lifetime but also

[14:08] generations in the past generations or

[14:11] centuries.

[14:12] So that also sometimes you see at worry,

[14:17] anger, hatred, hope like that.

[14:25] So now uh it is quite logical use our

[14:30] intelligence.

[14:32] Meanwhile intelligence should be source

[14:35] of happiness successful

[14:38] not worry not s of anxiety or stress.

[14:47] Now that that is I think from birth we

[14:51] already equipped

[14:54] sense of human affection.

[14:58] affection

[15:00] uh really source of

[15:03] what's

[15:05] uh the source of happiness,

[15:08] source of security, right? Sense of

[15:13] security, a sense of security,

[15:16] a source of self-confidence.

[15:23] I think we

[15:25] even other animal also who born from

[15:29] mother

[15:31] affection

[15:33] very strong even animal.

[15:37] So that provides their youngster

[15:41] sense of security

[15:43] and security right now and very sort of

[15:48] say comfortable sort of mental state

[15:52] that immense help for sustain or for

[15:56] proper growth of their physical cells.

[16:02] These are nothing to do with religion,

[16:05] biological factor. No question.

[16:10] Uh now there some scientist who carry

[16:15] some sort of investigation these things

[16:19] they found

[16:20] constant fear, constant hatred, anger

[16:25] very bad for our health.

[16:28] Uh

[16:31] so calm mind is very very important for

[16:34] our health. How develop calm mind with

[16:39] darkness? No

[16:42] utilize fully about our intelligence

[16:45] sharp intelligence

[16:47] and that intelligence is should be

[16:51] source of calm mind that can be done.

[16:59] In order to do that

[17:02] firstly we should develop awareness

[17:06] the usefulness about our own heartness.

[17:12] Analyze

[17:14] according your own experience and also

[17:17] analyze the your friends. Now analyze

[17:21] the how sort of happy or how sort of

[17:24] unhappy among your friends

[17:29] the real sort of happiness real sort of

[17:31] friendship comes from warmheartedness

[17:36] not from money not from power

[17:39] not from mere here education

[17:43] no knowledge

[17:45] that's quite clear

[17:49] so Then once we develop clear awareness,

[17:54] clear sort of understanding the

[17:56] warm-heartedness is really ultimate

[17:58] source of happiness, ultimate source of

[18:01] physical health. Then you pay more

[18:04] attention.

[18:08] So I usually telling what's three points

[18:13] or common experience.

[18:16] Uh that means we everybody

[18:19] uh

[18:22] born born no

[18:24] uh from mother.

[18:27] So those people who immediate

[18:31] immediately after b born and then next

[18:35] few years those uh children who really

[18:39] received maximum affection from their

[18:43] mother

[18:44] and including I think mother's milk and

[18:47] physical touch those human being and

[18:51] deep inside much happier

[18:55] uh and those children. Maybe

[18:59] the other day

[19:02] uh one are meeting this this uh speaker

[19:08] uh as a uh Dr. Karan Singh Dr. Singh

[19:15] myself then one Muslim great Muslim

[19:21] scholar practitioner.

[19:24] Oh wonderful. I met him before also. I I

[19:27] think

[19:31] the buyer huh

[19:34] who was that name?

[19:36] Molana.

[19:38] Oh that's wonderful Muslim I met before

[19:41] also. Wonderful.

[19:44] Now then the bishop Tutu's daughter.

[19:51] So uh while we answer or explain explain

[19:56] something

[19:58] uh different questions put all the sort

[20:00] of speakers speaker for people then

[20:05] during that sort of session of course uh

[20:10] Dr. guidance since I think 56 we know

[20:14] each other very close so I teach him as

[20:18] far as the receiving mothers or also the

[20:22] affection is concerned and close touch

[20:25] with mother is concerned I'm more

[20:28] fortunate oh I am just religious as the

[20:34] child

[20:36] then I told Dr. organizing as a son of

[20:40] Maharaja.

[20:41] So Maharani

[20:43] perhaps I think uh let their sort of

[20:49] yes

[20:51] take care

[20:53] and I think I the Rani may not give the

[20:57] milk

[20:59] but for my case you see no formality no

[21:02] s that kind of sat

[21:05] formality

[21:07] so I I teach him I receive more

[21:10] affection from my because of poor fam

[21:13] farmers.

[21:19] So that's our commonness of experience.

[21:25] Then that time I didn't mention uh uh

[21:29] usually I telling you see people uh

[21:34] say

[21:35] my mother is so kind to me

[21:41] and because of such kindness so I become

[21:45] quite bold so my mother quite often is

[21:50] carrying me on her shoulder.

[21:54] Uh then I hold my mother's two ear.

[22:00] When I want to go this side, I do this

[22:04] and this side go like that. So actually

[22:08] I control my mother's movement.

[22:11] I think Dr. Kesk I think never have that

[22:14] kind of experience. I think

[22:19] so in any way

[22:21] of course these are not sort of

[22:23] expression of disrespect of course I

[22:25] have deep respect

[22:27] at so the meeting I

[22:33] as I mentioned earlier so I mentioned

[22:35] you see like that so this part I I

[22:37] didn't mention in anyway in anyway uh so

[22:42] that's our common experience

[22:45] Then common sense

[22:47] among my friend

[22:50] uh those people

[22:53] uh may not be rich or significant person

[22:58] but very friendly

[23:01] trusted family members

[23:05] and also you see they uh treated other

[23:09] people

[23:11] as a close friend.

[23:13] and humble, sincere, honest. These

[23:18] people

[23:20] you see

[23:25] never appear as a stranger as a human

[23:28] being.

[23:31] Those

[23:33] may be some position or rich.

[23:39] Last year I met some group of Chinese

[23:41] from mainland China.

[23:44] Yeah. Uh some of them I think four or

[23:47] five

[23:48] uh educated and some sort of I think

[23:51] writers like that. One very very poor

[23:56] farmer

[23:58] quite old his sort of shoes his clothes

[24:03] very poor.

[24:07] So we sit together

[24:09] and of course I have some some sort of

[24:12] discussions or some talk with those uh

[24:16] intellectuals or writers.

[24:20] Uh then also I ask some something of the

[24:23] the poor passenger. Now

[24:28] then all those come from mainland China

[24:32] same all h Chinese

[24:36] but those educated

[24:38] most of successful life rare they look

[24:42] down that old person.

[24:46] So in deep inside I got a little

[24:49] irritation

[24:51] so I pay more attention towards that

[24:53] poor person. Yeah.

[24:56] And asked her own sort of life and the

[25:00] condition about their village farmers

[25:04] really the story really

[25:07] very sad. He told me

[25:11] he said those poor people

[25:14] in countryside nobody taking care about

[25:18] them.

[25:20] Officials

[25:21] don't care. So these people when you say

[25:26] got some problem nowhere to appear

[25:30] nowhere to seek help

[25:33] only power and money

[25:37] so such society such I think community

[25:42] where no sense of concern of others

[25:45] wellbeing sense of truthful honest

[25:52] And no real peace

[25:56] among Tibetan also when I was young

[26:00] when I asked my sweepers

[26:04] come from a village uneducated some most

[26:08] of them illit illiterate illiterate

[26:12] but when I ask some questions they they

[26:16] answer very frankly

[26:19] all sort of complaints about

[26:22] regent or some llamas or some officials

[26:27] they have no hesitation they carry all

[26:30] bad news.

[26:32] When I ask some officials

[26:35] uh same question then they say sometimes

[26:40] silence sometimes say oh okay good good

[26:44] like that.

[26:47] more

[26:51] ordinary people seems more honest, more

[26:55] truthful. That brings me trust. That

[26:59] brings me real friendship,

[27:03] maybe very successful life, but little

[27:06] bit sort of distance and difficult. So

[27:09] that actually against the basic human

[27:12] nature. So honest Truthful brings trust,

[27:17] trust brings friendship. That friendship

[27:20] is really sound.

[27:25] So

[27:27] uh when we use our common sense and

[27:29] judge then you get conviction or honest

[27:33] truthful

[27:35] compassionate attitude and then how how

[27:37] to bring honest and truthful. If you

[27:41] your your mind clean

[27:46] genuinely you see concern other's

[27:48] wellbeing

[27:49] not thinking your own sort of selfish

[27:52] sort of interest then you can act

[27:55] truthful or openly transparent

[28:01] through my self-centered attitude and

[28:04] ready to exploit other and even you want

[28:08] to be honest or truthful You can't

[28:10] because deep inside the self-centered

[28:13] attitude there.

[28:16] So analyze these things then you get

[28:19] conviction or

[28:23] sense of compassion or sense of sort of

[28:26] I say sense of concern of others

[28:27] wellbeing that really immense help to

[28:32] bring inner strength self-conidence

[28:36] through that way you can conduct

[28:38] attitude transparently that brings trust

[28:43] that brings friendship That creates

[28:46] happy human society

[28:49] no matter whether believer or

[28:50] non-believer

[28:52] isn't it.

[28:54] Uh

[28:56] now the third scientific sort of finding

[29:01] uh since last almost now over 30 years I

[29:05] have series of discussion with scientist

[29:09] different field.

[29:11] So particularly in medical science right

[29:15] uh

[29:17] uh how they through their own experiment

[29:21] now they clearly

[29:23] uh

[29:25] confirm now confirm

[29:28] warmheartedness is the source of healthy

[29:32] body self source of calm mind.

[29:40] So therefore

[29:41] uh first level on human level

[29:46] we everybody want happy life. So we must

[29:49] realize the ultimate source of happy

[29:53] life successful life

[29:57] is within ourself not material

[30:02] uh not power not fame

[30:05] real here.

[30:08] So nobody control that. It's entirely up

[30:12] to you.

[30:15] So that is important to know the

[30:20] ultimate source of your own happy life

[30:23] is within yourself. So pay more

[30:27] attention about that.

[30:30] That's number one.

[30:32] So that usually uh I tell I believe the

[30:37] India this country

[30:40] last

[30:42] over 3,000 years the secular concept

[30:46] secular ethics already there

[30:52] without any religious belief even remain

[30:56] non-believer

[30:58] of God or these things

[31:01] uh But accept these secular ethics.

[31:07] I think that's uh

[31:11] I think great sorosity treasure of

[31:16] India. I think because of that himsa

[31:20] also related

[31:22] respect

[31:24] different different belief

[31:27] and including non-believer.

[31:30] So respect there. So harmony comes

[31:34] not harming

[31:36] other. So himsa and religious harmony

[31:42] these things will happen.

[31:47] So they consult to a himsa

[31:51] very much with this respect other

[31:54] other's life others right

[31:58] then no basis to harm to try to control

[32:02] so real aimsa basis of real aimsa

[32:05] related with that kind of more mental

[32:08] attitude

[32:10] then religious harmony also you see very

[32:11] much related with that respect others

[32:14] view others is right then respect their

[32:18] religion. Although you personally do not

[32:20] agree their view but uh but these people

[32:25] also human being also people so they

[32:28] have right to carry their own views so

[32:32] respect

[32:33] so that's this basis of religious

[32:36] harmony so these things are I think uh

[32:41] ancient Indian as a tradition so these

[32:45] are not only ancient tradition but also

[32:48] very much relevant today's world.

[32:58] So please those people is who have

[33:02] opportunity to share more people please

[33:05] you tell uh these ancient sort of your

[33:09] tradition and values

[33:12] uh there's something very important

[33:16] whenever I give talk I always mentioned

[33:19] these things are uh uh ancient Indian

[33:24] sort of tradition

[33:26] So I simply messenger of this tradition.

[33:31] So sometimes uh I telling particularly

[33:35] when I met some sort of Indian spiritual

[33:38] leaders or spiritual practitioners I

[33:41] always say you are my guru.

[33:45] So guru's level now I'm as a chella or

[33:49] kas

[33:51] messenger

[33:53] level quite active

[33:56] to to mention these things to share to

[34:00] know more people. So now my boss the

[34:04] guru's level must be active

[34:08] not sufficient to carry some sort of

[34:11] your rituals

[34:12] and uh uh I should recite some uh

[34:18] difficult shloka of Sanskrit

[34:23] that's not sufficient you see uh must

[34:28] come out and more contact with masses

[34:33] particularly the younger generation

[34:36] educated people and make these

[34:40] thousand-y old tradition is very much

[34:42] relevant today's world look some places

[34:46] in the name of religion fighting killing

[34:51] very sad among same Christian sometimes

[34:56] conflict among same Muslim

[35:00] conflict

[35:02] And then recently in Burma this area

[35:06] actually I think the economy reasons

[35:10] but use the name of religion. So some

[35:13] conflict Muslim and Buddhist and Sri

[35:16] Lanka Buddhist and Hindus.

[35:21] So now these are the thousand year old

[35:24] India tradition is a must of make known

[35:28] and we should we should be more active

[35:32] to educate more people.

[35:38] So this is number one. Then now another

[35:42] level

[35:43] believer on that level

[35:47] basically

[35:48] uh theistic religions non-theistic

[35:51] religions

[35:53] for example in within this country I

[35:56] think uh almost I think 3 4,000 years uh

[36:02] different spirituality

[36:05] uh begin start

[36:08] now I Think according some sort of

[36:12] translation from Indian text the SA

[36:16] philosophy SA tradition

[36:19] is earliest sort of non Buddhist

[36:22] tradition and then from there then more

[36:29] one one root sa philosophy then more

[36:32] sort of branch

[36:36] uh

[36:41] So within Sana according uh divine

[36:45] translation

[36:48] I think there was text and was kasa

[36:57] vive. No,

[37:00] usually not difficult. Today I find it

[37:02] really difficult to to pronounce

[37:06] Baba.

[37:07] Now

[37:09] I cannot pronounce properly. Okay. uh

[37:13] that great scholar

[37:16] uh uh and also Shandanda Rakita

[37:21] and Shanda also some extent and then

[37:24] Dignak Dhamagiti

[37:29] mainly you see these great masters of

[37:31] Nalander they in their writing

[37:35] I think practically at that time

[37:40] at that time sort of existing ing all

[37:43] Indian philosophical thoughts mentioned.

[37:48] Uh so within SA philosophy there are two

[37:52] categories. One category uh uh

[37:58] no no concept of creator.

[38:02] Another uh category of sanja uh except

[38:07] creator.

[38:09] Then uh many others you see accept

[38:12] creator Brahma like that.

[38:16] Uh then

[38:20] uh

[38:23] then Janism

[38:25] no concept of creator.

[38:29] Uh and

[38:32] almost the same period Buddha came.

[38:36] Mahavira and Buddha I think except a few

[38:41] 30 40 years differences otherwise the

[38:43] same. So these two great master you see

[38:48] uh no concept of creator. So three

[38:53] traditions

[38:55] uh one part of sanja and jennism and

[38:59] Buddhism these three

[39:04] nonjast

[39:08] and on the world also I think Judaism

[39:13] and Judaism

[39:16] uh and Christian Christianity and Islam

[39:22] all except

[39:24] the creator.

[39:28] So I think non-theistic religion I think

[39:31] only these three I think ancient

[39:33] religion ancient Indian religion

[39:37] uh one part of sa philosophy sa school

[39:40] of thought and then genisism and

[39:43] Buddhism.

[39:47] So now when we look philosophical field

[39:52] big differences

[39:55] even within

[39:57] the theistic sort of believer there are

[40:00] differences

[40:02] as far as I know the Muslim Allah one

[40:07] God only god

[40:10] uh

[40:13] the Christian Christianity trinity

[40:17] Although I think maybe same god

[40:20] I don't know three gods or same god

[40:25] trinity

[40:27] but

[40:29] [Laughter]

[40:31] oh okay

[40:33] uh

[40:36] then later sism

[40:39] I think very open-minded

[40:42] uh in the spirit of

[40:45] non sectarian

[40:49] And the gurun

[40:53] even

[40:55] take took pilgrimage to Mecca isn't it?

[40:59] So this is a very clear sign non

[41:02] sectarian

[41:04] respect all existing sort of uh beliefs

[41:08] faiths wonderful

[41:11] so

[41:13] so in spite different big differences in

[41:17] philosophical field but all carry same

[41:21] practice or same teaching teaching of

[41:24] love compassion with that tolerance

[41:27] forgiveness

[41:31] and

[41:32] individual contentment

[41:36] for the new pope.

[41:38] This is seems I think very simple sort

[41:41] of simp simply way of life isn't it? I

[41:43] heard you say he

[41:47] talk with people on human level not much

[41:52] not much distance wonderful

[41:56] and on according BBC you see he also you

[41:58] see managed his own food

[42:02] uh then in that case you see he much

[42:05] advanced than me I I never made my own

[42:08] food

[42:11] even making tea or difficult I don't

[42:15] know particularly with salt how much

[42:18] salt necessary I don't know

[42:23] so many Christian brother sisters

[42:27] when I visited their nana and

[42:29] monasteries oh they are life very

[42:33] simplicity they very much empan

[42:40] monk maybe more luxurious

[42:43] those some Christian

[42:45] monks monastery

[42:47] really wonderful

[42:49] so all these and then many people some

[42:54] Muslims also some Christians really

[42:57] totally dedicated their life for serving

[43:01] other people poor people now in India

[43:04] some of our settlement in in in

[43:08] different sort of states

[43:11] most of these are settlement in remote

[43:13] area, tribes, tribal, tribal area.

[43:17] So difficult, quite remote.

[43:21] But I found some Christian nuns.

[43:26] Uh you see working in these remote area

[43:33] teacher as a working as a teacher or as

[43:37] a sort of the medical as the workers

[43:40] like that.

[43:43] So there that kind of such they

[43:47] dedication right dedication hold their

[43:50] life uh come from their own faith

[43:55] like late mother Teresa.

[43:58] So it is clearly sort of indicated.

[44:08] You see uh in spite different philosophy

[44:12] some say there's creator some say no

[44:15] creator

[44:16] but real practice is concerned

[44:20] all the sincere practitioner

[44:23] really

[44:27] practice compassion

[44:30] out of compassion you say serving

[44:34] people particularly needy people

[44:37] wonderful

[44:40] So therefore there is sufficient reason

[44:44] respect all those major tradition

[44:52] different philosophy

[44:54] the same potential to create

[44:58] sensible good human being compassion

[45:01] good human being

[45:05] so that's the basis of Mutual respect

[45:10] and once we develop admiration,

[45:14] mutual admiration, then there is

[45:16] tendency to learn their tradition, their

[45:20] philosophical views.

[45:23] So through that way mutual learning also

[45:26] come. So that's the basis of genuine

[45:30] harmony among the different tradition.

[45:36] So each

[45:37] have their own sort of unique because of

[45:40] that unique thing which uh

[45:46] to certain certain people

[45:50] because of mental disposition

[45:53] is suitable

[45:55] that particular way of approach is more

[45:58] effective

[46:01] so that's quite understandable among the

[46:04] Buddhist

[46:06] among the Buddha's own follower.

[46:09] He taught sort of different

[46:12] philosophical views.

[46:15] It appears contradictory

[46:18] but that Buddha deliberately taught

[46:20] because that sort of philos particular

[46:23] philosophical view is suitable to that

[46:26] particular person.

[46:33] So different because of you see

[46:35] different method disposition

[46:38] and also from the Buddhist viewpoint

[46:40] also is it due to previous karmic or

[46:43] previous

[46:44] imprint

[46:48] or previous of imprints.

[46:51] So there are so many different

[46:53] disposition even you see twins

[46:57] uh different disposition always there

[47:02] you can't sort of explain thoroughly

[47:04] from physical

[47:06] particles

[47:08] so including

[47:10] some so to say imprint that quite

[47:13] mysterious of course

[47:16] so like that therefore you see uh among

[47:20] Buddha's own Buddha's own follower you

[47:23] see because of different disposition

[47:25] Buddha taught different contradictory

[47:28] philosophy

[47:30] uh so as a Buddhist

[47:34] uh what we learn from that sort of

[47:36] situation

[47:38] uh yes on this planet now for example

[47:40] today about 7 billion human beings there

[47:45] and different location

[47:48] climate different way of life, different

[47:51] style of food.

[47:54] So different sort of culture, different

[47:57] sort of mentality there. So we really

[48:00] need different way of approach

[48:03] you see to uh to cultivate love,

[48:07] compassion, forgiveness, these things.

[48:10] So once we realize recognize these this

[48:15] fact this fact then we develop

[48:19] a city

[48:21] mutual respect mutual admiration like

[48:24] that

[48:28] one time in uh in Vena

[48:32] some meeting that meeting took place in

[48:35] a monastery Christian monastery.

[48:39] So I think two days some discussion

[48:42] meeting then next early morning uh I

[48:47] think because my meeting with the

[48:49] chancellor Austia chancellor so I left

[48:53] early morning from that monastery. So as

[48:57] usual sort of my practice

[48:59] before leaving that monastery I pay my

[49:04] respect to uh Jesus Christ the statue of

[49:09] Jesus Christ in their main chapter

[49:11] chapter chapter

[49:13] I spent a few moment

[49:17] then I reflect on millions of people you

[49:22] see get immense of benefit

[49:27] from

[49:30] uh Jesus Christ.

[49:33] So reflect these things and tear comes

[49:37] in my eye. Oh really wonderful.

[49:43] Uh

[49:46] that does not mean I accept creator. No,

[49:51] I have plenty of reasons to argue the

[49:55] concept of creator

[49:59] because dign and particularly dharmaki

[50:03] really you see put lot of reasons

[50:06] argument if you accept creator there are

[50:10] lot of problems here among his own

[50:13] creations there

[50:15] and the creator no beginning no end

[50:18] means permanent

[50:19] The source is permanent. Then the

[50:22] creator must be either never happened or

[50:27] permanent.

[50:29] These are the main sort of reasons

[50:32] dharmaki you raise this this

[50:38] questions

[50:42] and of course I think I mentioned I

[50:45] think previous meeting also I mentioned

[50:47] one of my sort of friend

[50:50] very religious-minded

[50:52] he asked me just very sincerely

[50:56] all human beings all whole world created

[51:00] by God full of mercy full of love and

[51:04] among his creatures his creatures lot of

[51:08] sort of mischievous people there so why

[51:13] the creator create such mischievous

[51:15] people

[51:16] he sincerely asked me this question

[51:22] what what what your answer

[51:25] you

[51:28] what would be your

[51:33] So that I see because I know him. So I

[51:38] half of how joke

[51:41] I told him. Oh because you see God

[51:44] creates hell. So there must be some

[51:46] people who have to go help

[51:50] otherwise no use to create hell.

[51:57] So in any way in any way I really you

[51:59] see they respect or admire these

[52:03] Christians Christianity and also Islam.

[52:07] Now sometimes you see now nowadays if

[52:09] people have so wrong impression uh Islam

[52:13] is more militant religion totally wrong.

[52:17] uh and also the very word jihad. Uh

[52:23] see some my friend Islam, Muslim friend

[52:26] here and also I sort of discuss with

[52:30] some professors of Islam. Uh they say

[52:34] the very meaning of jihad is combat your

[52:38] own negative sort of the negative

[52:41] actions, negative emotion these things.

[52:44] So this every religion they teach us

[52:48] when we about to develop negative

[52:51] harmful emotion we must compare we must

[52:54] face that and try to minimize try to

[52:58] neutralize like that.

[53:05] So uh

[53:07] so also I think I I mentioned perhaps I

[53:10] think uh many occasion I mentioned the

[53:14] Fatima

[53:16] in Portugal.

[53:19] There's one small statue of Mary.

[53:24] So one occasion uh as a part of my sort

[53:28] of practice uh pilgrimage pilgrimage to

[53:32] different holy places. So uh one time I

[53:36] have opportunity so pilgrim pilgrimage

[53:39] pilgrimage sorry

[53:41] go on pilgrimage

[53:42] to go on pilgrimage

[53:45] fatima.

[53:47] So one this size of Mary statue

[53:53] and as usual some Christian brother,

[53:55] sisters and myself we sit uh together

[53:59] and some silence meditation.

[54:03] Then finishing that uh we about leaving.

[54:08] So then I turned back the small statues

[54:12] Mary statue actually that Mary statue

[54:16] smiling.

[54:18] Uh I look again look smiling.

[54:25] So it seems uh they marry so much of

[54:29] loving kindness there. So he do not

[54:31] distinction Buddhist or non-b Buddhist

[54:33] not much sort of differences

[54:35] or or Christians or non-Christians not

[54:37] much differences.

[54:40] So that I really felt oh yes I really

[54:43] respect all these major religions I

[54:46] admire I appreciate. So the Mary seems

[54:50] to acknowledge by sincere

[54:55] feeling sincerity.

[55:01] So we can practice

[55:03] you can develop

[55:05] genuine respect to all religions

[55:09] meanwhile preserve your own practice.

[55:16] So here important faith

[55:20] and respect make differences

[55:23] differences

[55:25] respect always major religious tradition

[55:29] may appreciate

[55:32] uh and meantime your own sort of faith

[55:36] remain kasod

[55:39] without mixing these things.

[55:45] So now that is the second now uh you

[55:50] know theistic religion non-theistic

[55:51] religion now non-theistic religion three

[55:55] major

[55:57] mainly three

[55:59] so within three non-theistic religion

[56:02] differences now question of atma

[56:08] uh

[56:11] uh some philosophy

[56:14] And all the branch also the school of

[56:18] thought which come from sanja philosophy

[56:21] all accept atma theory

[56:25] uh and janism also. Now only Buddhism do

[56:30] not accept do not have concept of atma.

[56:35] So so therefore Buddhism

[56:39] Buddha right from beginning say anatma

[56:43] theory

[56:47] So teaches

[56:51] no.

[56:54] So the Buddha teaches

[56:55] louder

[56:56] or four things about which are

[56:58] impermanence of things and uh selfless

[57:02] or emptiness of things as well as the

[57:05] selflessness of things.

[57:06] Mhm. So the four noble truth Buddhas of

[57:10] the first of dharm he taught four noble

[57:13] truth. So there he mentioned anatasma

[57:17] theory.

[57:19] So that is the basis of all Buddhist

[57:22] school of thought

[57:25] uh the original sort of the for noble

[57:27] truth that accept accepted all Buddhist

[57:31] school of thought.

[57:33] Then further sort of definition

[57:37] about anatma or sha. Then you see Buddha

[57:42] himself you see taught different sort of

[57:45] different different

[57:48] levels

[57:51] sutra

[57:53] uh

[57:55] uh and many other sutras. And then uh he

[57:58] taught and also some sutra uh uh which

[58:03] the root text root text of I think root

[58:07] text of uh chidamatra philosophy all

[58:11] these Buddha taught uh but you see

[58:14] different meaning of emptiness or shiny.

[58:20] So all these the root is an

[58:27] Uh so that's the uh uh now differences

[58:32] about Buddha Dharma. Now Buddha Dharma

[58:35] the uh

[58:39] after Buddha enlightened enlightened

[58:43] his first dharma wheel he taught for

[58:47] noble truth.

[58:49] Then after some time then he taught the

[58:55] uh

[58:59] sutra

[59:01] and then another dhama.

[59:05] Uh but you see it seems quite clear the

[59:09] four noble truth in Pali language.

[59:14] I think mainly I think later you see the

[59:16] alo edit in in Bali language.

[59:19] So that's more or less publicly

[59:24] then the pjaparamid sutra

[59:28] uh such sort of teaching not publicly

[59:31] sort of taught but selected audience.

[59:38] So

[59:40] uh vulture peak

[59:42] in that place uh you see I think

[59:48] obviously you see selected audience then

[59:51] you taught that

[59:54] if you do not accept these teachings are

[59:57] not true Buddhist teaching

[1:00:00] then

[1:00:02] ultimately we have to accept uh like

[1:00:07] Nagarjuna

[1:00:08] You see these great nana masters you see

[1:00:12] their wisdom their intelligence is sha

[1:00:18] and greater than Buddha.

[1:00:21] Isn't that right? If you read you see

[1:00:25] the Bi of the script Buddhist own

[1:00:30] teaching and then those nagjunas they

[1:00:33] are writing

[1:00:35] their way of analyze very sharp very

[1:00:39] scientific

[1:00:42] so that we we can't accept and then juna

[1:00:46] these are the great sites s masters the

[1:00:51] I often used to telling Occasionally I

[1:00:53] telling as far as Indian history is

[1:00:56] concerned Nagarajuna should know better

[1:01:00] than western scholars.

[1:01:03] Firstly

[1:01:05] he was Indian.

[1:01:07] Secondly, his time is only I think 3 400

[1:01:11] years after Buddha

[1:01:14] much closer than uh after 2,500

[1:01:18] years somewhere scholars isn't it?

[1:01:23] Then most important

[1:01:25] the judging Nagarjuna's writing

[1:01:30] uh his mind is very sharp

[1:01:34] not dull pe not dull person

[1:01:38] he not easily accept what others say he

[1:01:41] never acted like yes minister

[1:01:46] sometimes you see religious or follower

[1:01:49] very faithful whatever their teachers

[1:01:51] say yes yes Yes. Yes. That's almost like

[1:01:54] yes minister.

[1:01:57] So nagjuna not that kind Buddha's own

[1:02:01] word he analyze. uh this Buddhist

[1:02:05] statement right statement we cannot

[1:02:08] accept literally because if you accept

[1:02:11] that then uh sort of dis contradictory

[1:02:17] of things will come. So we have to

[1:02:22] take different interpretation we cannot

[1:02:24] accept literally. So Nagarjuna and all

[1:02:28] his follower like that kind of thinking

[1:02:31] always trying to investigate

[1:02:35] through reasoning

[1:02:37] and of course these people through their

[1:02:40] own experiences

[1:02:42] although too early some of Tibetan

[1:02:45] masters through their own experience you

[1:02:48] see

[1:02:51] they they show they show us certain

[1:02:54] things

[1:02:56] Even my own generation of course I have

[1:02:58] no no experience but my previous

[1:03:02] generations you see I know some of them

[1:03:05] some kind of extraordinary experiences I

[1:03:08] personally knows. So therefore

[1:03:11] it's a combined

[1:03:13] intellectual understanding and then

[1:03:16] through practice actual experiences.

[1:03:20] So through that way you see like

[1:03:22] Nagaraja say except the Sanskrit

[1:03:25] tradition originally taught by Buddha

[1:03:29] himself not publicly.

[1:03:35] So two sort of what you say traditions

[1:03:38] BI tradition Sanskrit tradition

[1:03:42] and Nandanda

[1:03:44] practice both

[1:03:46] vinya

[1:03:48] uh

[1:03:50] now even today same Burma, Thailand, Sri

[1:03:56] Lanka so these uh ter

[1:04:00] countries

[1:04:02] they are winner you practice is

[1:04:05] as our sort of been a practice.

[1:04:11] I think two two years ago I two two I

[1:04:14] think two two three years ago I think

[1:04:16] one uh what's say kasa

[1:04:19] uh world parliament of religion

[1:04:23] uh

[1:04:24] uh of course first I think in Chicago or

[1:04:28] something then south Africa and then

[1:04:30] some different places I always

[1:04:32] participated and one occasion I think

[1:04:35] the last one in Melbourne uh

[1:04:38] Melbourneh Melbourne

[1:04:39] Melbourne Melbourne

[1:04:42] uh there

[1:04:43] uh I think some of you I think already

[1:04:45] know some I think knew there uh the dele

[1:04:50] delegates one from Burma so two Burmese

[1:04:55] monk there so they sent a message to me

[1:04:59] they want to see me and I I have deep

[1:05:03] respect or admiration about Burmese

[1:05:06] Buddhist tradition

[1:05:08] queen's practice

[1:05:10] you see the lineage from Burma. So I

[1:05:13] have sort of deep sort of admiration. So

[1:05:16] when I heard there's a two Burmese monk

[1:05:19] big shoe is want to see me then in my

[1:05:22] room I I myself also wear this yellow

[1:05:26] yellow rope uh and received them receive

[1:05:29] received two two monks from Burma

[1:05:34] and we sat and he

[1:05:39] the Burmese monk has told me we are the

[1:05:42] follower of same Buddha Buddha

[1:05:47] However, we have uh many differences.

[1:05:51] Then I immediately felt oh now wrong

[1:05:55] information

[1:05:58] some sort of western writers you see

[1:06:01] they describe Tibetan Buddhism is

[1:06:03] llamaism

[1:06:05] not genuine authentic Buddhism. Uh then

[1:06:08] secondly Tibetan llamas themselves you

[1:06:11] see proof we are not genuine nander

[1:06:14] tradition we have quite free

[1:06:18] where monk's robe with wife

[1:06:22] drink

[1:06:24] we are never allowed that

[1:06:27] so I think some of our own people

[1:06:30] sometimes you see disgrace oneself

[1:06:33] disgrace oneself and then so you see

[1:06:36] some writer described Buddhism is

[1:06:38] lameism not genuine Buddhism. So they I

[1:06:42] immediately I felt oh the two Burmese

[1:06:45] wonderful two two monk I think got wrong

[1:06:47] impression. Then I told

[1:06:50] yes there's differences.

[1:06:53] Uh however the basis of a Buddha dharma

[1:06:56] is vinaya practice.

[1:06:59] So our vinya except the our vida lineage

[1:07:06] is uh ma mulas

[1:07:12] then in pali tradition

[1:07:15] mostly uh

[1:07:19] so tradition.

[1:07:21] So I also we also used to check

[1:07:24] differences about moka pim mosha in pali

[1:07:28] mosha in Sanskrit. We our mosha in

[1:07:32] Sanskrit. So in our mosha 253 rules

[1:07:37] precepts

[1:07:38] and pali 220

[1:07:43] or 227 some like that. So uh I already

[1:07:49] sort of we already sort of study these

[1:07:51] things or make comparison. So therefore

[1:07:53] I I explain all the vinea practice and

[1:07:57] our precepts on these things. Then the

[1:08:00] two these two monks

[1:08:03] say showing me a little bit surprise. Oh

[1:08:05] you also have this these kind of

[1:08:06] practice.

[1:08:10] So these are same practice

[1:08:13] actually basis of a Buddha Dharma.

[1:08:17] Uh then so Nalinda like Nagarjuna

[1:08:22] great sort of big

[1:08:24] uh his lineage is our sort of the

[1:08:28] lineage same he was one of the earliest

[1:08:34] lineage

[1:08:35] Buddha Buddha's own son Rahul

[1:08:40] then I think a few few generations then

[1:08:44] uh Nagarajuna

[1:08:46] Then through that way the shadakita

[1:08:48] shhat raida invited by Tibetan emperor

[1:08:52] in uh 8th century. So he give ordination

[1:08:56] bishop ordination

[1:08:58] our lineage is come from come from him.

[1:09:03] So like that. So Pali tradition and

[1:09:06] Sanskrit tradition

[1:09:13] uh nan tradition combined both I takish

[1:09:18] like uh the

[1:09:21] bos

[1:09:23] I think he also I think study takish I

[1:09:26] think his writing

[1:09:30] I think original Sanskrit or Bali

[1:09:37] or

[1:09:42] any writing in Pali or from these great

[1:09:45] nar masters

[1:09:49] you do not know.

[1:09:54] So,

[1:09:55] so then then Tibet Buddhism as I

[1:09:59] mentioned earlier

[1:10:03] uh

[1:10:06] in 7th century and particularly 8th

[1:10:09] century Buddha Dharma already flourished

[1:10:12] in China

[1:10:15] I think at least two three centuries

[1:10:17] earlier.

[1:10:19] Uh so through marriage Tibetan 7th

[1:10:24] centuries Tibetan emperor son Xango

[1:10:27] married with one Chinese princess. So

[1:10:31] when Chinese princess came to Lassa uh

[1:10:35] he brought one uh important Buddha

[1:10:38] statue

[1:10:40] and he also married with one nebl

[1:10:43] princess.

[1:10:45] So uh that also is brought one Buddha

[1:10:48] statue. These two Buddha statues uh

[1:10:52] consider very very important sort of

[1:10:56] sacred Buddha statue in Rasa.

[1:10:59] Yeah.

[1:11:02] So the family ties already there, the

[1:11:07] true marriage already there. But then

[1:11:11] 8th century

[1:11:14] uh the Tibetan emperor

[1:11:17] prefer as far as Buddhism is concerned

[1:11:22] they prefer

[1:11:24] deals directly with India.

[1:11:29] So 8th centuries at that time one of the

[1:11:33] top master of Nalinda

[1:11:36] institution Shandanda Rakita he invited

[1:11:42] then Shandra Rashidita's age already

[1:11:44] over 70 75 or something like that that

[1:11:49] according Tibetan belief 900 years

[1:11:53] so one my Indian friend you see jokingly

[1:11:56] told me or Tibetan fontry you a long

[1:11:58] life. So therefore they put additional

[1:12:01] zero. So 90 become 900.

[1:12:09] So so anyway anyway you see uh I think

[1:12:13] it is quite common right?

[1:12:16] uh late 70s late his age

[1:12:21] over 70s he invited by Tibetan emperor

[1:12:25] he came then he start translation and

[1:12:29] keep teaching give the wows bishu wows

[1:12:34] because of the shaman and bishu all

[1:12:37] these you see he introduced

[1:12:41] and then meantime

[1:12:43] at the 7th century King Sonza Gambo

[1:12:46] introduced Tibetan script

[1:12:50] copy one of the ancient Indian ancient

[1:12:53] one of the Indian don the deagree

[1:12:56] deary script.

[1:12:59] So some of the ashuka pillars writing we

[1:13:02] can we do not understand the meaning but

[1:13:05] we can we can read like that. So some

[1:13:09] similar sort of

[1:13:12] kaz

[1:13:14] letters letters similar like that.

[1:13:18] Uh then grammar copy the Indian grammar

[1:13:22] Sanskrit grammar like that.

[1:13:25] Uh

[1:13:28] so I think over thousand years since

[1:13:30] then I think

[1:13:36] so um amongst the five major subjects

[1:13:40] that we consider amongst there is also

[1:13:43] this Sanskrit which we learn. Oh,

[1:13:48] I also you see this lazy poor student

[1:13:53] also you see learn Sanskrit the grammar

[1:13:56] part.

[1:13:58] My teacher the my senior t teach tutor

[1:14:02] uh

[1:14:06] when when I received a lesson from him

[1:14:09] he told me one particular text

[1:14:13] Calab

[1:14:16] the text.

[1:14:20] I say my tutor he also used to study the

[1:14:25] calaba.

[1:14:27] So when he give me explanation

[1:14:30] uh last 30 years uh after he learned

[1:14:35] then after 30 years he never touched

[1:14:38] that book for 30 years. uh but uh then

[1:14:42] he told me he now last 30 years he never

[1:14:45] sort of looked at that text or I may not

[1:14:48] have very clear memory but then when

[1:14:51] actually he explained oh his memory very

[1:14:54] sharp

[1:14:57] like that I also used to learn so that's

[1:15:00] part of our study not Chinese language

[1:15:02] but Sanskrit language

[1:15:05] so uh so is a Tibetan wheat since I

[1:15:09] think 7th century 8th century we develop

[1:15:12] very very close link with nalinda

[1:15:15] traditions.

[1:15:18] So uh

[1:15:22] last several years I think few decades I

[1:15:26] start to introduce Tibetan Buddhism is n

[1:15:30] pure nander tradition nander lineage.

[1:15:36] If say or mahana tradition or hin

[1:15:38] tradition that create more confusion

[1:15:40] simply nu tradition uh then this was

[1:15:44] quite clear like that.

[1:15:48] Uh

[1:15:50] so 9th century

[1:15:54] uh then uh king

[1:16:05] killed

[1:16:06] then eventually dis disintegrated.

[1:16:12] uh

[1:16:16] I think few few centuries remain like

[1:16:18] that

[1:16:21] car

[1:16:22] four centuries and then yeah then

[1:16:25] eventually

[1:16:27] uh

[1:16:30] the small Tibetan kingdom in western

[1:16:33] part of Tibet the capital Tuling.

[1:16:38] So then he

[1:16:43] uh tried to follow his sort of because

[1:16:46] of the and his ancestors sort of

[1:16:49] practice. He uh tried he firstly sent

[1:16:54] some his best sort of uh Buddhist

[1:16:57] masters sent to India and study and then

[1:17:03] uh according these people at that time

[1:17:08] one sort of was a well-known master

[1:17:13] was Atisha Deongara from Bangalore kaza

[1:17:18] from Bangalore from Bengali.

[1:17:20] Bengal

[1:17:21] Bengal.

[1:17:23] So eventually he invited

[1:17:26] when the Atisha Dongara reached uh

[1:17:32] western Tibet Tuling

[1:17:35] then he wrote this text.

[1:17:39] uh this this text on

[1:17:45] so all Tibetan the lineage

[1:17:51] after after him then numa gu saja

[1:17:58] uh

[1:17:59] all follow the position the sort of uh

[1:18:05] this short text

[1:18:09] like uh Ningma

[1:18:12] Rabja

[1:18:14] uh his

[1:18:16] uh uh writing

[1:18:20] some important writing according this

[1:18:23] text

[1:18:24] then go

[1:18:27] uh topaji

[1:18:30] uh so writing

[1:18:33] follow this this text

[1:18:35] Then Saja Lamre

[1:18:38] uh part of Namsum follow this teaching

[1:18:43] uh and then Katamba of course his own

[1:18:47] sort of lineage

[1:18:49] then

[1:18:51] Lama Zongaba Giluk also used to follow

[1:18:55] this this text right so this is

[1:18:59] this become root text of all different

[1:19:03] lineage of Tibet

[1:19:06] after

[1:19:08] 10th century, 11th century like that.

[1:19:17] Then I received a transmission about

[1:19:20] this teaching this text from uh one kunu

[1:19:26] kunu laba

[1:19:28] uh ringit

[1:19:31] one good scholar of deu monastery. He

[1:19:36] actually uh actually sorry he

[1:19:40] instantly know in anyway I think 1947

[1:19:47] one here is one conference

[1:19:50] uh took place then Marmma Gandhi there

[1:19:54] so Tibetan delegation participated

[1:19:57] so among them you see uh one Tibetan

[1:20:01] scholar some Tibetan scholar should be

[1:20:04] included that kind sort of discussion uh

[1:20:07] happened. So the among old scholars

[1:20:13] he remember his birthplace

[1:20:17] uh

[1:20:18] Kino Kino area. So he speak Hindi

[1:20:22] meantime good scholar. So therefore he

[1:20:25] included the delegation.

[1:20:28] So later you see he become my

[1:20:32] I my my teacher. I received a lot of

[1:20:35] teaching from him or a transmission.

[1:20:39] So he one day he casually told

[1:20:42] me he was one of the member of that

[1:20:46] delegation. So in Delhi

[1:20:49] uh

[1:20:51] the Madma Gandhi Gi you see want uh to

[1:20:57] to want to see him to see him and he met

[1:21:03] and Madma Gandhi you see inquired some

[1:21:08] important was text about

[1:21:12] their study and he mentioned Lam This

[1:21:17] one he told me he mentioned additionara

[1:21:21] is he wrote one text that we consider

[1:21:25] top most important text short text

[1:21:28] which he told me like that. So I

[1:21:31] received all transmission from him.

[1:21:38] Wonderful monk.

[1:21:43] When I receive teaching from him, of

[1:21:46] course I offer tea, Tibetan tea. So he

[1:21:51] enjoy the tea and then some of butter

[1:21:56] he choose on my face.

[1:22:04] Oh, wonderful, wonderful teacher.

[1:22:09] I received I think all transmission from

[1:22:12] him. I think many thick books

[1:22:16] which very which very very rare my

[1:22:20] official two teachers didn't have that

[1:22:23] kind of or transmission. So I have

[1:22:27] received from him and then also Kunami

[1:22:33] basically non sectarian great teacher

[1:22:37] his own

[1:22:39] family background

[1:22:41] but then he received a lot of teaching

[1:22:43] from Nimma from Sajya from Gil wonderful

[1:22:53] so Well,

[1:22:58] this test

[1:23:01] [Music]

[1:23:04] because the king

[1:23:15] of the western part of

[1:23:18] the he requested to

[1:23:23] as he would like to have on short sort

[1:23:26] of writing

[1:23:28] and quite simple and mainly focusing on

[1:23:33] kazoda cultivation

[1:23:35] practice charge to the cultivation or

[1:23:39] without much sort of debate. No,

[1:23:42] unlike uh the

[1:23:46] Kamala

[1:23:49] the student of Shantaakita

[1:23:54] Shandraida come to I mean invited to

[1:23:56] Tibet and then passed away. Then his

[1:23:59] main uh student Kamal Shila also invited

[1:24:03] to Tibet

[1:24:05] uh 9th century. Uh he wrote three text

[1:24:12] of course he wrote I think at least two

[1:24:15] text in India.

[1:24:17] uh one madima philosophy one uh logic

[1:24:25] very very sort of difficult

[1:24:28] very sort of

[1:24:31] it's a classic text classic text so

[1:24:35] after he visited after he invited to

[1:24:37] Tibet then he wrote three text that also

[1:24:43] you see raised lot of questions and

[1:24:45] debate

[1:24:47] So there's nalinda type ninders all

[1:24:51] those masters of nalinda their sort of

[1:24:54] style is raise all the sort of questions

[1:24:58] opposing questions where

[1:24:59] no

[1:25:00] opposing questions

[1:25:02] questions uh then answer or debate.

[1:25:08] So the attic

[1:25:11] not that style but quite simple way

[1:25:15] mainly the audience mainly already the

[1:25:20] following Buddha Dharma.

[1:25:24] The other text among different sort of

[1:25:28] different views where people who have

[1:25:30] different views then she explained about

[1:25:34] Buddha Dharma. So a lot of discussions

[1:25:36] lot of raised questions and debate

[1:25:43] that

[1:25:46] I am not reading this just simply

[1:25:50] explains

[1:25:52] the holiness will not go through the

[1:25:53] text verse by verse as such as part of

[1:25:57] oral transmission but make explanation

[1:25:59] at the beginning you see he mentioned

[1:26:02] uh he categorized three levels.

[1:26:08] So he makes these three distinctions

[1:26:11] amongst the practitioners uh which are

[1:26:13] the beings with small scope or faculty

[1:26:16] and then middling and supreme faculties.

[1:26:18] Mhm.

[1:26:30] Nice. So this uh the the categorization

[1:26:33] of beings into these three types is not

[1:26:35] about um not taking into account the

[1:26:38] different philosophical uh traditions

[1:26:41] that they follow or uh anything like

[1:26:43] that but then uh it mainly focuses on

[1:26:46] what kind of u um disposition the

[1:26:50] practitioners have. H. So mainly those

[1:26:55] people who

[1:26:59] see get used some kind of importance

[1:27:04] right importance right now importance of

[1:27:07] uh this life and mainly the sources of

[1:27:13] uh sensorial level pleasure.

[1:27:19] So that's obstacle. the first level of

[1:27:22] obstacle. So we must

[1:27:25] reduce that kind of sort of strong

[1:27:27] feeling.

[1:27:29] Uh so

[1:27:32] not too much emphasis importance of

[1:27:36] sensorial levels of kazoda experiences

[1:27:40] but rather kazod mental level.

[1:27:46] So obviously sensor level all these

[1:27:50] facilities are just for this life.

[1:27:54] When death come no longer any use

[1:27:58] but certain sort of quality which

[1:28:01] develop on mental level that impact next

[1:28:06] life.

[1:28:08] So the first level try to reduce too

[1:28:12] much emphasis about this life because of

[1:28:15] the material values. I think we can say

[1:28:18] that.

[1:28:30] So

[1:28:32] we are on verse number four which says

[1:28:34] those who seek peace for themselves

[1:28:36] alone turning their back on worldly

[1:28:38] pleasures and avoiding destructive

[1:28:40] actions are said to be

[1:28:43] I'm sorry and verse number three uh know

[1:28:46] that those who by whatever means seek

[1:28:49] for themselves no more than the

[1:28:50] pleasures of cycling existence are

[1:28:52] persons of the least capacity.

[1:29:14] So um in one of his um visions of Lord

[1:29:19] Mjushri the Satya master Sachin Kungan

[1:29:22] Jingpo um received this teaching from

[1:29:25] Manushri where Mushri said to him if you

[1:29:29] are attached to this life, the pleasures

[1:29:31] of this life, then you are not a

[1:29:33] practitioner of the Buddha Dharma.

[1:29:45] And if you are attached to samsara, the

[1:29:49] cycle of existence, then you do not have

[1:29:52] renunciation.

[1:30:01] And if you are attached to selfish goals

[1:30:04] then you are not a practitioner of uh

[1:30:07] the bodhisatti path.

[1:30:12] And if you

[1:30:18] and then if you cling to objectivity of

[1:30:22] things and things have some kind of

[1:30:25] object objective existence then you are

[1:30:28] you have not realized the view of

[1:30:30] emptiness.

[1:30:47] forens.

[1:31:20] And so with regard to this uh verse that

[1:31:24] we read um what it is talking about is

[1:31:27] basically first of all we can make

[1:31:28] distinction between two types of beings

[1:31:31] um of small capacity. Um one type is

[1:31:35] those who are attached as I have

[1:31:38] explained already those those who are

[1:31:40] obsessed with the pleasures of this life

[1:31:42] alone and this is what we are not these

[1:31:46] type of persons or beings are not

[1:31:48] considered here but then uh what uh what

[1:31:52] uh the the uh this verse actually refers

[1:31:54] to are those who um are not attached to

[1:31:59] the pleasures of this life alone but who

[1:32:01] wish to have rich or uh to be reborn in

[1:32:05] a higher rebirth in the next life and

[1:32:08] then accordingly apply themselves in the

[1:32:10] practice of avoiding the negative

[1:32:12] actions and cultivating the positive

[1:32:14] actions. In other words, uh cultivating

[1:32:16] the 10 or or overcoming or avoiding 10

[1:32:20] nonverirtuous actions and and practicing

[1:32:23] the 10 virtuous actions. So such beings

[1:32:26] are being are referred to by this verse.

[1:32:30] Perhaps I think we can say they uh

[1:32:35] we

[1:32:36] want I mean person who want

[1:32:41] uh present our sort of the positive life

[1:32:46] all the facilities there uh uh and

[1:32:52] comparatively less sort of problem.

[1:32:56] So this kind of

[1:33:11] so by acknowledging the that the um the

[1:33:15] the excellent facilities and things that

[1:33:17] we experience in this life to be good

[1:33:20] and the positive things that we have in

[1:33:22] this life to be good and then um as uh

[1:33:26] aspiring to to have this kind of

[1:33:29] experience in the next life and and and

[1:33:32] accordingly you think of reaching or

[1:33:34] obtaining a higher rebirth.

[1:33:37] Uh so then this very life

[1:33:43] we can see some are quite miserable.

[1:33:47] Of course the many other factors there

[1:33:53] but main factor is one's own previous

[1:33:56] karma. Karma means action.

[1:34:00] So those people who in the past not only

[1:34:04] this life but past life also you see the

[1:34:07] some sort of negative activities harming

[1:34:10] other people. Now for example killing or

[1:34:14] stealing

[1:34:15] uh sexual misconduct or or

[1:34:19] rape rape

[1:34:20] and then telling lies all these result

[1:34:25] this even human life some kind of

[1:34:29] problems you see happen. Therefore now

[1:34:34] in order to have next life the proper

[1:34:39] human beings are born proper because of

[1:34:43] the human society that we must cultivate

[1:34:47] cultivate so the causes of that result

[1:34:52] and we must avoid

[1:34:54] the causes which we we born and

[1:34:59] difficult lives even born in among human

[1:35:02] being still difficult lives. So mainly

[1:35:06] focusing

[1:35:08] quite sort of quite satisfactory

[1:35:12] human life or worldly life

[1:35:15] uh then similar sort of continuously in

[1:35:19] next life also using this kind of sort

[1:35:21] of day quite okay life.

[1:35:26] So now method

[1:35:28] 10 non virtuous

[1:35:33] to to avoid doing the 10 non virtuous

[1:35:36] actions restrain committing non 10

[1:35:40] virtues

[1:35:41] and simply

[1:35:44] restrain or not committing non 10

[1:35:48] virtues is the virtu 10 virtues

[1:35:55] So restraining yourself uh from

[1:35:57] committing the uh 10 or refraining from

[1:36:00] the 10 non-verirtuous actions itself um

[1:36:03] is the the practice of the 10 virtuous

[1:36:06] actions.

[1:36:19] The second level.

[1:36:23] Now the second level analyze

[1:36:27] whether

[1:36:28] this level our mind which easily

[1:36:34] manipulate by uh negative emotion.

[1:36:39] Even though we want be nice person but

[1:36:42] anger comes or suspicion comes then that

[1:36:47] you see the mind immediately

[1:36:52] disturbed disturbed.

[1:36:55] Uh so we realized that and then now

[1:37:00] target is the

[1:37:04] calles collious

[1:37:07] is the real enemy.

[1:37:10] Uh we must I must not allow the control

[1:37:16] of Galatia to control me. No

[1:37:20] that's now second level.

[1:37:23] So all these life which ultimately

[1:37:28] not on our control in our control but

[1:37:32] due to our negative action negative

[1:37:35] action also is to come through the

[1:37:38] negative emotion negative emotion come

[1:37:42] from ignorance.

[1:37:44] So in order to control all these we have

[1:37:48] to eliminate the kazodg ignorance. The

[1:37:53] ignorance also there are different

[1:37:54] levels in order to kazod eliminate those

[1:38:00] kazod deepest kazod

[1:38:04] those those ingredients which causing

[1:38:08] our samsara samsaric rebirth. Now that

[1:38:13] uh that's aim you should try to

[1:38:16] eliminate that sort of the ignorance

[1:38:20] then once that ignorance eliminate then

[1:38:23] automatically all destructive emotion no

[1:38:27] longer develop.

[1:38:29] So that actually we call nirvana moxa.

[1:38:34] Moxa means liberation

[1:38:37] from where you liberate from klesh where

[1:38:41] klesh the in order to liberate klesh or

[1:38:45] in order to eliminate klesh the we must

[1:38:48] know the sources of basis of all these

[1:38:52] destructive emotion that's ignorance.

[1:38:56] Ignorance there are many different level

[1:38:57] of ignorance. So that I can come up

[1:39:00] later.

[1:39:03] So in order to eliminate

[1:39:06] ignorance the real sort of antidote of

[1:39:09] ignorance is wisdom. Wisdom which

[1:39:12] understand.

[1:39:15] Uh so now Buddhists you see the uh the

[1:39:18] atma

[1:39:20] the

[1:39:22] the sort of kazod of course those people

[1:39:26] is who practices atma for meditation

[1:39:30] atma and event

[1:39:34] rituals based on atma okay that's their

[1:39:37] own sort of way of tradition uh then

[1:39:40] from Buddhist viewpoint from Buddhist

[1:39:42] Buddhist practitioner

[1:39:44] uh then I uh by natural by naturally we

[1:39:51] have some kind of the feeling of I.

[1:39:56] So we never feel this body now for

[1:40:00] example my own sort of body with white

[1:40:04] hair because of white white hair white

[1:40:06] hair and also some white hair here. I

[1:40:10] never thought when I born these white

[1:40:14] hair already there. You never feel that

[1:40:17] isn't it? So this body uh actually at at

[1:40:23] the time of birth this body of of course

[1:40:27] the original continuation of this body

[1:40:30] there but we never fail this old body at

[1:40:33] that time. Therefore we say now old body

[1:40:36] or young body child body like that but

[1:40:40] all this child body old body the young

[1:40:44] body all these belongs to I

[1:40:49] when I was young

[1:40:51] when I was in mother's womb I still

[1:40:54] there

[1:40:56] so we not feel

[1:40:59] different eyes same eye

[1:41:03] so there is some kind of tendency.

[1:41:06] Physical mind

[1:41:08] uh is the possess possessor possess.

[1:41:13] No

[1:41:14] and the owner of possessor is I

[1:41:19] I was young young body.

[1:41:22] uh I was at uneducated young young child

[1:41:28] then education the my mind changed but

[1:41:33] same I

[1:41:35] so there is that kind of tendency of I

[1:41:39] is more or less permanent

[1:41:43] body and mind changing

[1:41:46] so that's natural feeling so that's

[1:42:01] And so we have this uh innate sort of

[1:42:04] sense of eye um which is kind of seen as

[1:42:09] if it's like a ruler or of our body and

[1:42:12] mind.

[1:42:16] So even Buddhism who denying the

[1:42:20] independent eye self but still you see

[1:42:24] there is lot of debate and different

[1:42:28] views the the connection.

[1:42:37] So there are questions raised in the

[1:42:39] classic text um where it's they say that

[1:42:43] what is it that connects one from the

[1:42:46] past to the present and present to the

[1:42:49] future. Obviously at the time of death

[1:42:53] uh this body no longer no continuation

[1:42:57] and mind which come from this body or

[1:43:01] the brain that also cease. So then what

[1:43:04] else you see is connected with next

[1:43:07] life.

[1:43:09] Uh unless you see you develop the deeper

[1:43:14] understanding

[1:43:15] self is mere designation designated sort

[1:43:20] of phenomena

[1:43:22] based on body and mind and body and mind

[1:43:27] also grosser level of body and mind.

[1:43:30] subtle level body and mind and most

[1:43:33] subtle level of body and mind. Unless we

[1:43:37] understand we get some sort of

[1:43:39] understanding right some knowledge about

[1:43:41] these difficult

[1:43:44] the connection previous life this life

[1:43:46] from this life next life

[1:43:50] uh so uh so non Buddhist

[1:43:55] uh particularly those you see who accept

[1:43:57] previous life and next life is a

[1:44:00] connection from previous life this life

[1:44:03] this life to next life Atma

[1:44:07] doesn't matter this body and mind change

[1:44:11] but same atma.

[1:44:14] So therefore atma is permanent

[1:44:18] never changing

[1:44:21] and essentially separate from this body

[1:44:24] and mind

[1:44:25] then difficulties

[1:44:28] if you atma is completely separate from

[1:44:30] this body

[1:44:32] then even I think obviously we can't

[1:44:35] make distinction male and female atma is

[1:44:39] independent

[1:44:41] male and female based on physical

[1:44:44] So no connection. Male atma, female atma

[1:44:47] cannot say, young atma, old atma, sick

[1:44:51] atma, uneducated atma cannot say because

[1:44:55] you see the mind and body completely se

[1:44:59] atma is completely separate from body

[1:45:01] and mind.

[1:45:03] So we have to sort of obviously there's

[1:45:06] close connection self and uh self sort

[1:45:12] of body and mind.

[1:45:16] Then within the Buddhist school of

[1:45:18] thought they uh I think mainly chidantra

[1:45:23] you see except

[1:45:27] so chitt matras except the eighth

[1:45:30] consciousness which is called allaya

[1:45:32] vijana

[1:45:34] self. So uh the eighth consciousness

[1:45:37] according to Chittamatra is called

[1:45:39] allaya vijana or I think it's called

[1:45:41] foundational consciousness. So eight

[1:45:45] minds usually six minds the chitt mantra

[1:45:49] eight minds

[1:45:51] uh so because you see they want to

[1:45:56] pinpoint something which carry from

[1:46:00] previous life this life next life.

[1:46:03] So there are a lot of and then also

[1:46:05] imprints where imprints remain

[1:46:11] this body and this mind at the time of

[1:46:14] death no longer there. So where imprints

[1:46:18] remain.

[1:46:21] So here is a continuation of mind. Mind

[1:46:25] also is a grosser level of mind and

[1:46:27] subtle level of mind and very subtle

[1:46:29] level of mind.

[1:46:31] When brain stop, brain s blood

[1:46:34] circulation stop, brain dead, then those

[1:46:38] mind which based on brain brain cells

[1:46:42] then no longer function. So stop.

[1:46:47] So more subtle than that.

[1:46:52] So at the time of death eight stages of

[1:46:57] dissolution

[1:47:01] of the

[1:47:04] cross solid means earth means solid

[1:47:08] solid

[1:47:09] uh liquid liquid

[1:47:12] heat air space

[1:47:17] go like that and space

[1:47:20] or consciousness and then space. Here

[1:47:23] two space external space internal space.

[1:47:26] Internal space is very very subtle level

[1:47:30] of consciousness.

[1:47:32] All the grosser level of consciousness

[1:47:34] completely cease.

[1:47:37] Then subtle level inner most of subtle

[1:47:39] level still remain within their four

[1:47:42] stages.

[1:47:46] So these I think uh satisfactory

[1:47:50] explanation come from Buhana tantra

[1:47:54] tantric s text

[1:47:58] and as I mentioned earlier some some

[1:48:01] some people have actually experienced

[1:48:04] these uh so the stages of dissociation

[1:48:10] like that

[1:48:12] some even Today some my friend you see

[1:48:16] who practice seriously last 30 40 years

[1:48:20] you see they have the experience is a

[1:48:23] dissolution of these different minds.

[1:48:27] Uh

[1:48:32] so now uh if you unless you see you

[1:48:36] found what is the understandable

[1:48:40] because of the concept

[1:48:43] the the basis of the imprints

[1:48:47] uh and also continuation

[1:48:50] uh at the same time close connected with

[1:48:53] this body and mind.

[1:48:56] uh unless you see you find that kind of

[1:48:58] sort of thorough understanding or

[1:49:00] explanation you see uh difficult once

[1:49:04] you deny existence of atma

[1:49:08] uh and then this

[1:49:13] so while you may be able to um deny the

[1:49:17] existence of an atma search but then if

[1:49:19] you don't understand these subtle levels

[1:49:21] of mind and the which happens during the

[1:49:24] dissolution processes and

[1:49:26] going down for that list

[1:49:28] one then you will not be able to deep

[1:49:31] bring up a good understanding position

[1:49:34] to say what connects us from the past

[1:49:37] what has connected us from the past to

[1:49:39] this life and from this to the next life

[1:49:42] I don't understand your attitude yes

[1:49:46] like that no that's why I don't know

[1:49:53] so break tea break tea break.

[1:50:00] So then after tea tea break I would like

[1:50:04] to take some questions

[1:50:07] even some just I I would like to

[1:50:09] discuss.

[1:50:12] Yes. Uh if you have a question if you

[1:50:14] could raise your hand and we will rush a

[1:50:18] microphone to you.

[1:50:23] What have you

[1:50:25] sir?

[1:50:28] Your holiness, I had a few questions

[1:50:31] arising from the Atisha's lamp for the

[1:50:35] path to enlightenment. Uh first of all,

[1:50:38] uh I have been a civil servant and I

[1:50:42] would of course like to aspire to a path

[1:50:45] of enlightenment. But the way to get

[1:50:48] there that are being described, is it

[1:50:51] possible? My question to you is, is it

[1:50:53] possible for a civil servant? Uh because

[1:50:59] I don't mean it from the manner in which

[1:51:00] the others are laughing, but until I

[1:51:03] attain enlightenment, I shall not harbor

[1:51:06] harmful thoughts which have been

[1:51:08] described with anger, avarice, or envy.

[1:51:12] Now I find that what has motivated me

[1:51:15] best as a civil servant is that I when I

[1:51:18] see injustice it arouses anger and if it

[1:51:22] if it does not arouse anger I really

[1:51:25] don't know how I would have acted but in

[1:51:28] the if if I have had a limited success

[1:51:31] in the service it is because my anger

[1:51:33] has been aroused and therefore I have

[1:51:35] taken what action I felt was necessary.

[1:51:39] Uh also it says that those observing

[1:51:43] pure conduct should not take the secret

[1:51:46] and wis and wisdom initiations. Now what

[1:51:50] are the secret and wisdom initiations?

[1:51:53] Uh, of course I have been chief

[1:51:54] information commissioner and therefore I

[1:51:56] would like like all information to be

[1:51:59] made public but uh but setting that

[1:52:02] aside what are the secret and wisdom

[1:52:05] initiations which it is it is require it

[1:52:08] is required because should not take the

[1:52:11] secret and wisdom in initiations. And

[1:52:14] finally if I may ask this question that

[1:52:18] since this is based on the on the uh on

[1:52:21] the bodhic satwa the teachings of bodhic

[1:52:23] satwa I'm not very clear I have attended

[1:52:27] many of your sessions your holiness but

[1:52:29] I'm not very clear on the exact

[1:52:31] definition of the bodhic satwas

[1:52:34] bodhicattvas vow which is described in

[1:52:38] this presentation. Thank you.

[1:52:49] First question.

[1:53:07] This one.

[1:53:20] Then I let us

[1:53:22] discuss about the first question.

[1:53:25] Uh

[1:53:29] uh

[1:53:31] the precepts uh minor precepts of

[1:53:35] Buddhist. Wow.

[1:53:37] the 46 minor precepts.

[1:53:42] Uh one of them is uh a circumstance is

[1:53:46] such you need some harsh method to stop

[1:53:51] that wrongdoing. If you do not do that,

[1:53:55] if you do not carry that is one

[1:54:01] as one of the secondary

[1:54:04] infractions of the vows. So it is wrong.

[1:54:08] You must act

[1:54:15] more more forcefully to stop that.

[1:54:21] So

[1:54:22] everything depend on motivation.

[1:54:26] I think obviously

[1:54:28] the good parent, good mother

[1:54:32] if the child really say you see running

[1:54:37] a dangerous place then father or mother

[1:54:40] shouting if necessary beat

[1:54:44] motivation is

[1:54:48] the out of sense of genuine care of the

[1:54:51] child.

[1:54:53] Uh so that

[1:54:58] harsh or harsh method is actually

[1:55:01] nonviolence

[1:55:03] then I think you personally also may

[1:55:06] have some experience some people

[1:55:09] uh try to cheating you uh and you see

[1:55:14] the very nice words and smile and

[1:55:18] respect uh and sometimes some gift

[1:55:22] The sort of the the action nonviolence

[1:55:28] because of the motivation is you see

[1:55:30] negative therefore violence.

[1:55:34] Clear?

[1:55:37] So sometimes my tutor

[1:55:40] when I little bit sort of negative about

[1:55:43] my study my teacher used to look so oh

[1:55:47] what happened here today that kind of

[1:55:49] thing.

[1:55:51] If uh I remember very clearly one time

[1:55:54] my teacher you see uh warned me if you

[1:55:59] carry study very

[1:56:03] easy way like this continuously then the

[1:56:08] final examination how can you carry

[1:56:11] final examination

[1:56:15] really see little bit of the negative

[1:56:17] face and harsh word these are completely

[1:56:22] out of sense of care, sense of concern.

[1:56:26] So very positive.

[1:56:28] Now anger

[1:56:31] depend on motivation.

[1:56:34] This kind of immediately little bit

[1:56:37] anger but out of sense of concern, out

[1:56:40] of compassion is positive anger.

[1:56:45] Uh

[1:56:47] and you simply hate it. out of hatred

[1:56:51] anger is negative.

[1:56:55] Uh

[1:56:58] so therefore

[1:56:59] via level mainly self-interest

[1:57:05] self-interest.

[1:57:08] So there out of 253 precepts many

[1:57:18] prohibit you to do

[1:57:19] prohibit

[1:57:21] but then Buddhist level

[1:57:24] mainly concern of wellbe of others

[1:57:28] then if circumstances is such you need

[1:57:30] some harsh method even telling lies

[1:57:35] even highly necessary even killing

[1:57:38] violence

[1:57:40] in order to save off interest for larger

[1:57:43] sort of community and the long run

[1:57:45] benefit than for example Buddha's own

[1:57:49] previous life story

[1:57:53] he was one of the merchants

[1:57:56] no

[1:57:58] merchants merchants about 500

[1:58:04] so among them one person who constantly

[1:58:07] s planning to kill rest of 499

[1:58:12] sort of people and all the belongs owned

[1:58:16] by him.

[1:58:18] Then the leader warned him should not do

[1:58:21] that one time, four time, three time,

[1:58:25] four times but he didn't stop. Then

[1:58:28] finally

[1:58:30] that leader which one of the previous

[1:58:33] life of the Buddha Shajamuni then he

[1:58:36] felt

[1:58:38] if I so restrain killing this person

[1:58:44] uh uh then he going to commit sin of 499

[1:58:52] person kill

[1:58:54] and he himself

[1:58:56] have to sort of face negative

[1:58:59] consequences from that sin. So then he

[1:59:05] killed one person

[1:59:08] uh they save that person's commitment

[1:59:13] commitment

[1:59:14] 499 persons killing stop cease he

[1:59:19] himself sin killing one person but save

[1:59:24] life of 499 person then he choose this

[1:59:28] negative action killing

[1:59:30] so it become Right.

[1:59:34] So like that. So the uh

[1:59:40] many sort of

[1:59:42] prohibit or objection

[1:59:45] for now for example gold vaya sutra you

[1:59:50] should not touch gold

[1:59:54] and out of buddha

[1:59:57] precepts

[1:59:59] if there is circumstances that someone

[2:00:02] offer you gold and if according V sutra

[2:00:06] you see you you don't touch then that

[2:00:09] person disappoint if there is such

[2:00:11] danger is there you should touch you

[2:00:13] should accept

[2:00:15] so all these sort of practice depend on

[2:00:19] the circum action or circumstances

[2:00:23] and

[2:00:28] you have to weigh the pros and cons like

[2:00:31] that. Second question.

[2:00:51] basically

[2:00:56] the very name is gui secret.

[2:01:00] So that means you see such practice

[2:01:04] ordinary people cannot practice

[2:01:06] properly.

[2:01:08] So better to keep secrecy

[2:01:12] in ancient time in Nalinda in India.

[2:01:17] Those massity

[2:01:21] the initiation all these just one

[2:01:24] individual

[2:01:27] you see watch both sides the disciple

[2:01:31] site watch the teacher guru whether this

[2:01:34] is truly reliable truly qualified or not

[2:01:38] the guru site also is watching the

[2:01:42] supposed becoming disciple

[2:01:45] if necessary 12 years examined,

[2:01:48] watching, spying each other.

[2:01:52] One's truly reliable

[2:01:55] and then some of these teachings give

[2:01:59] individually.

[2:02:02] I think we Tibetan I think font

[2:02:05] tantriana. So we give teaching tantriana

[2:02:09] thousands people without knowing each

[2:02:12] other.

[2:02:15] So that I think

[2:02:19] I remember

[2:02:21] professor Jushi

[2:02:23] of Patira University or something.

[2:02:27] Now he no longer he wrote one book and

[2:02:30] he himself. So while he alive he give me

[2:02:33] that copy of that book. It mentioned the

[2:02:38] causes of degenerate Buddha Dharma in

[2:02:41] this country.

[2:02:43] Number one monk

[2:02:46] uh fond

[2:02:49] material values and carry some business.

[2:02:53] So people gradually lose respect.

[2:02:58] Some monk after they after the death or

[2:03:02] lot of goals a lot of good things

[2:03:05] expensive things there. So you see

[2:03:07] people you see lose respect. Uh number

[2:03:11] one. Uh second

[2:03:14] uh

[2:03:16] the tantal practice

[2:03:20] uh

[2:03:22] without the proper sort of qualification

[2:03:26] or now for example sex

[2:03:29] the proper sort of sex sexual sort of I

[2:03:33] say contact

[2:03:34] the person should have full sort of I

[2:03:38] mean experience of full control about

[2:03:41] movement of

[2:03:43] kalini

[2:03:45] like that. So in order to practice that

[2:03:49] in order to in order to examine that or

[2:03:53] in order to test that

[2:03:56] one good teacher now he also passed

[2:03:59] away. You see about I think 30 years ago

[2:04:03] uh I have some discussion you see he or

[2:04:08] good monk he mentioned

[2:04:11] you know the

[2:04:14] milk

[2:04:16] in in a pot then your thing you see

[2:04:21] sucking milk

[2:04:24] from there

[2:04:26] so that's the experiment

[2:04:29] How much you have the ability to

[2:04:31] control?

[2:04:35] So the semen or kundalini

[2:04:39] come

[2:04:40] but then control go back

[2:04:46] come go come go go go back come go go go

[2:04:48] back that's a real practice. So through

[2:04:52] that way the grosser level of mind

[2:04:56] dissolve become

[2:04:59] inactive

[2:05:00] because the kalini movement

[2:05:05] you see uh some bliss

[2:05:10] bliss

[2:05:11] you see

[2:05:14] no trigger

[2:05:15] trigger

[2:05:15] no

[2:05:16] the grosser level of mind

[2:05:18] to sub

[2:05:19] neutralize so that's the Okay.

[2:05:24] So one time one one monk oh no not monk

[2:05:30] one sort of uh lay person overseer

[2:05:35] I casually I mean he wife he he have

[2:05:38] wife. I casually asked you have

[2:05:41] children. Then he answered me no

[2:05:45] possible of children because all sort of

[2:05:49] the movement of this the

[2:05:53] energies

[2:05:54] energies or the the semen

[2:05:56] semen

[2:05:57] never come out always stop and go back.

[2:06:01] So no possibility produce child. So

[2:06:05] that's the problem

[2:06:09] some of the even high lama

[2:06:12] a lot of children I don't know

[2:06:21] like that so therefore at that time some

[2:06:26] Tibetan

[2:06:28] actually you see practice

[2:06:30] this thing the secret thing without

[2:06:35] proper sort of preparation or without

[2:06:37] checking their own ability. So theisha

[2:06:44] reject should not do that like that.

[2:06:49] The third question.

[2:06:57] Oh that

[2:06:59] actually such tantic practice

[2:07:02] is involve the breathing control

[2:07:06] breathing

[2:07:08] and also the kundalini chandalini these

[2:07:12] are common Hindu tantriana and Buddhist

[2:07:15] tantriana common.

[2:07:18] So differences makes the understanding

[2:07:22] of anatma, understanding of shiny,

[2:07:27] the Hindu tantana. You see these

[2:07:29] practice com combined with the concept

[2:07:33] of atma here atma

[2:07:38] and then bhjitta. So that makes

[2:07:41] differences but the uh yoga practice

[2:07:46] itself not much differences

[2:07:52] and poor

[2:07:53] and then there is also the practice of

[2:07:56] what is known as transferring or

[2:07:57] ejecting one's mind consciousness from

[2:07:59] out of the body

[2:08:01] through meditation you see your mind

[2:08:04] also

[2:08:04] separate from this body

[2:08:07] uh it actually is a few cases is in

[2:08:10] Tibet when it is some practitioner, some

[2:08:13] llama

[2:08:15] or carried by uh

[2:08:19] liber Chinese army, Chinese police in

[2:08:23] order to bring confession or st class

[2:08:27] struggles

[2:08:28] which is some on the road

[2:08:32] sitting and then hit like that then

[2:08:36] passed away.

[2:08:38] It happened

[2:08:41] in the past also is the one dread lama

[2:08:45] you see he got some kind of kazota

[2:08:49] accusation accusation of criminal

[2:08:53] so he brought to uh kazod I think they

[2:08:57] to the execution placeh

[2:09:02] came to some kazoda the court

[2:09:06] some question on the told he told you

[2:09:09] see those people who bringing him

[2:09:13] he told let me sit

[2:09:19] what happened rest and on a rock he sit

[2:09:25] then the practice you see that

[2:09:27] separation of this body and mind then

[2:09:29] die

[2:09:34] so these practice also

[2:09:37] uh non Buddhist tantra practice and

[2:09:40] Buddhist

[2:09:41] Buddhist tant

[2:09:44] practice.

[2:09:46] So that's why you see this mu uh

[2:09:48] recently my supposed to my visit to

[2:09:51] Kumba Makumba I sent a message I would

[2:09:54] like to meet some of the experienced

[2:09:58] meditator

[2:10:00] I'm quite sure I'm very very eager those

[2:10:03] sadus who spent at least a few months or

[2:10:06] few years in mountain area completely

[2:10:10] naked

[2:10:12] so they must have sort of experience

[2:10:14] about practice of central Centalini in a

[2:10:17] heat otherwise how can survive

[2:10:21] completely naked

[2:10:24] looks a little bit strange go like that

[2:10:29] but actually this is really

[2:10:32] one time in in Delhi one kasad

[2:10:38] Jane

[2:10:39] Jane temple

[2:10:40] I think kasakumar kasa

[2:10:44] one one

[2:10:45] jane master Sushid Kumar or something I

[2:10:48] I don't you know

[2:10:49] Sushi Kumar Sushimi

[2:10:51] uh after he passed away uh for his sort

[2:10:54] of memory some sort of construction of

[2:10:57] one temple in the open ceremony there

[2:11:00] one jail practitioner jail Jane master

[2:11:03] there completely naked

[2:11:07] uh

[2:11:10] so I just used to sit next to him I

[2:11:14] really is a develop admiration.

[2:11:18] He don't care about appearances.

[2:11:21] Uh he firmly committed about his own

[2:11:23] practice complete naked.

[2:11:27] So I sit next to him. I used to touch my

[2:11:32] head for his

[2:11:34] knee.

[2:11:34] Oh knee.

[2:11:37] I really I didn't notice his sort of

[2:11:39] instrument.

[2:11:43] Then

[2:11:47] then afterward

[2:11:49] my lesson officer no

[2:11:52] see we always joking teasing and I asked

[2:11:56] him have you seen that secret organ? He

[2:11:59] say yes. Yes.

[2:12:08] So such was a practitioner. I think very

[2:12:10] serious these are not pretended really

[2:12:14] serious. So I sent a message to the

[2:12:17] organizer in Ma

[2:12:21] place. uh I would like to to meet some

[2:12:25] of these practitioner and then my visit

[2:12:28] could not material as I mentioned

[2:12:30] before.

[2:12:33] So we really I I very very eager you see

[2:12:38] to sit sit down with such practitioner

[2:12:42] and discuss exchange our experiences

[2:12:46] that's very very helpful very helpful

[2:12:51] so any of you some connection

[2:12:55] knowing some of such practitioner then

[2:12:57] let me know I really

[2:13:00] serious

[2:13:02] discuss and exchange our experiences.

[2:13:07] Then eventually I think very important

[2:13:10] to let carry experiment by scientist as

[2:13:15] I mentioned. Oh no not no not not and

[2:13:18] this morning with student I mentioned

[2:13:22] this is some practitioner

[2:13:25] after death their body remain fresh

[2:13:30] including my own senior tutor next 13

[2:13:34] days his body remain fresh

[2:13:38] and such

[2:13:41] such case you see there are I think at

[2:13:43] least as far as we noticed I think last

[2:13:47] over 50 years I think at least 30 of

[2:13:51] them happen after death bodies remain

[2:13:54] very fresh some cases even four weeks

[2:13:57] remain

[2:14:00] so as a result of discussion or mention

[2:14:03] these things with some scientist so some

[2:14:06] scientist really you see showing

[2:14:09] interest now already you see carries

[2:14:13] because of the set of one sort of

[2:14:14] project

[2:14:16] uh to carry investigate

[2:14:18] such of a person.

[2:14:22] So one uh very senior sort of lama the

[2:14:28] actually head of yellowhead sect from

[2:14:32] ordinary sort of monk then kasoda

[2:14:35] gradually become head of yellow head

[2:14:38] sect.

[2:14:40] uh he I think 18 days remain body fresh

[2:14:45] 18 days.

[2:14:48] So one of his disciple his student one I

[2:14:52] think American or English

[2:14:55] he clearly recorded

[2:14:58] day by day what happened. So the local

[2:15:01] doctors also you see investigate and

[2:15:04] then uh we already have some equipment

[2:15:07] to examine such dead body.

[2:15:11] So so some wire is put on head. So some

[2:15:16] indication extraordinary indication is

[2:15:19] happen

[2:15:20] clinically dead but some movement in the

[2:15:24] brain breathing no breathing no blood

[2:15:27] circulation.

[2:15:29] So the scientist uh see really that's

[2:15:32] what

[2:15:34] showing wandering r

[2:15:36] they they show interest

[2:15:38] huh

[2:15:38] show interest

[2:15:39] show interest

[2:15:41] now the problem uh in in the past some

[2:15:45] cases when such sort of event happened

[2:15:49] equipment or the person who handled this

[2:15:52] equipment not available

[2:15:55] then the person and mater the equipment

[2:15:58] and person available uh not that kind of

[2:16:02] sort of death happen and meantime I

[2:16:05] cannot request please you die in order

[2:16:08] in order to carry our investigation also

[2:16:12] it's not very sure I request if die not

[2:16:17] happen that then disaster

[2:16:22] so just we we have to wait so now recent

[2:16:25] years you see that equipment and one

[2:16:28] trained person. Now Dharma permanently

[2:16:30] remained there. Uh so last week one old

[2:16:34] monk

[2:16:36] very weak body usually weak body after

[2:16:39] death very rare that kind of meditation

[2:16:43] but this I think over 80 years quite

[2:16:45] weak but 5 days his body remain fresh

[2:16:52] so so I'm I'm wondering I think among

[2:16:55] Indians

[2:16:57] among Hindu practitioner I think such

[2:17:00] such experience should should happen

[2:17:02] should happen but usually see we do not

[2:17:05] take much of interest or notice

[2:17:09] and also they

[2:17:12] cases express your past life

[2:17:16] in 1970 I think 70s I met uh two girls

[2:17:22] one from Karala

[2:17:25] one from Kbul Kbul about four years old

[2:17:30] but they are about six years old very

[2:17:33] clearly mention about memory about past

[2:17:36] life and the name of their past parent

[2:17:40] and their home their friends like that

[2:17:46] among Tibetan also is some such things

[2:17:50] which happen so these are the phenomena

[2:17:55] uh to those scientist more open-minded

[2:18:00] The scientist who looks objectively

[2:18:03] they said they also showing interest the

[2:18:06] further investigation.

[2:18:09] So now next question

[2:18:24] not working.

[2:18:25] Not working.

[2:18:34] I just want to ask

[2:18:37] how important are rituals to to progress

[2:18:40] on the spiritual path.

[2:18:44] ritual

[2:18:46] it depend the performer

[2:18:51] the person who carried ritual

[2:18:54] if truly experienced

[2:19:00] and one time I think most probably

[2:19:03] Miller Rabba a well-known sort of was

[2:19:07] the practitioner

[2:19:09] you see sometimes he uh you in order to

[2:19:12] show other people this is his sort of

[2:19:15] the energy.

[2:19:17] So he concentrate rock

[2:19:21] solid rock and the rock break

[2:19:26] through sheer sort of meditation

[2:19:32] and then sometimes

[2:19:36] you see some my friend you see fully

[2:19:39] concentrate I think one Russian

[2:19:40] scientist also I think I think some sort

[2:19:43] of experiment

[2:19:46] fully Concentrate.

[2:19:49] Actually the purpose of shamata is

[2:19:53] mobilize energy of mind.

[2:19:56] Usually our mind is scattered. So you

[2:19:59] see cannot like water scattered not much

[2:20:03] force in order to use for

[2:20:07] producing producing energy

[2:20:09] uh produce energy. You see water must

[2:20:13] channelize generalize then more force.

[2:20:16] So similarly our mind through med

[2:20:20] through meditation or shamadha

[2:20:22] generalize

[2:20:24] then concentrate on particular sort of

[2:20:27] object and fully then some effect

[2:20:31] usually happen.

[2:20:33] Of course I have no such experience.

[2:20:37] I wish such experience but no not yet.

[2:20:43] So it's a concentrate concent

[2:20:45] concentration power you see object can

[2:20:48] move

[2:20:51] like that.

[2:20:55] So, so ritual

[2:20:58] person who really qualified firstly

[2:21:01] himself or herself should have some

[2:21:04] experience

[2:21:06] then carry ritual some effect there

[2:21:12] but just read the text and with

[2:21:15] instrument

[2:21:18] instrument made by gold

[2:21:22] not much effect real effect here like

[2:21:26] that. So I think for your question

[2:21:30] answer for your question is both yes and

[2:21:32] no. Yes means qualified one carry that

[2:21:36] yes usually without quality without real

[2:21:41] quality just to carry as a sort of

[2:21:44] custom custom or culture

[2:21:54] on then

[2:21:57] I think this one German German

[2:22:03] Take take your mic please.

[2:22:06] Yes.

[2:22:07] Your holiness from keep death. Give

[2:22:10] death.

[2:22:11] Just wait a minute. Yes.

[2:22:13] Then then okay. Yes.

[2:22:16] Your holiness. I was listening to you

[2:22:18] very carefully about atma and anatma and

[2:22:22] I can't work it out because if you die

[2:22:25] and there's no atma then what is it that

[2:22:27] remains that what is it that goes on?

[2:22:32] Buddhist

[2:22:36] explanation is

[2:22:39] the I is designated

[2:22:44] on the combination of body and mind.

[2:22:49] Body and mind also gross a level, subtle

[2:22:53] level, very very subtle level.

[2:22:57] So the very very subtle level very

[2:23:02] subtle body and subtle mind always

[2:23:06] together combined that's the basis of

[2:23:10] designation of self.

[2:23:13] So that combined subtle body subtle mind

[2:23:18] no beginning no end.

[2:23:22] So designation of the eye on that no

[2:23:25] beginning no end

[2:23:30] clear.

[2:23:31] So the basis of imprint

[2:23:36] or is that subtle mind

[2:23:41] as I'm as we already discussed at the at

[2:23:44] the at at the death at the time of death

[2:23:48] ga level of body and speech and mind

[2:23:52] dissolve

[2:23:54] subtle level also dissolve then in the

[2:23:58] most of subtle level during after death

[2:24:01] Still body remain fresh because subtle

[2:24:04] mind and subtle body remain within the

[2:24:07] body. As soon as that subtle body body

[2:24:10] and mind separate from this body then

[2:24:12] body decay immediately

[2:24:18] quite mysterious is it

[2:24:22] I think we everybody you see have some

[2:24:24] sort of the knowledge that some interest

[2:24:27] keep then at the time of death then we

[2:24:29] have to carefully watch real experience

[2:24:36] maybe too eight

[2:24:42] I feel like that in my daily sort of

[2:24:45] practice yoga practice the eight stage

[2:24:49] of dissolution

[2:24:51] uh I think five times I always do

[2:24:54] suppose the preparation when actual

[2:24:57] death come so whether succeed or not I

[2:24:59] don't know

[2:25:00] [Laughter]

[2:25:05] so experiment as a experiment

[2:25:09] time of sleep.

[2:25:13] Uh again you see you should have some

[2:25:16] sort of some sort of fuller knowledge

[2:25:20] the stage of dissolution dissolution

[2:25:23] what resolution process

[2:25:25] dissolution process

[2:25:28] some knowledge then

[2:25:31] uh at the time of sleeping sleep

[2:25:37] you you fully alert your mind I must

[2:25:42] recognize ize the stages of these

[2:25:45] resolutions. Too much alert then destroy

[2:25:50] sleep. So you need

[2:25:54] a balanced awareness

[2:25:56] very cleverly clever way then there is

[2:26:00] possibility

[2:26:02] first step second step of dissolution

[2:26:05] possible but possible to recognize then

[2:26:09] for third fourth fifth difficult

[2:26:13] unless you have some sort of deeper

[2:26:16] experience

[2:26:18] that that only

[2:26:21] Dream time.

[2:26:24] Remember this practice. Uh dream time.

[2:26:27] Firstly realize now I'm dreaming. I am

[2:26:31] state of dreaming.

[2:26:33] Then deliberately

[2:26:36] meditate certain sort of place of chakra

[2:26:40] mainly here.

[2:26:43] Then there's a possibility dissolution

[2:26:46] in

[2:26:48] while you are dreaming because of the

[2:26:51] concentration koda uh deliberately

[2:26:56] that also possible.

[2:26:59] So then much easier to realize these

[2:27:04] different stages of dissolution

[2:27:09] but not easy take time. You need you

[2:27:12] need first sort of step you need to try

[2:27:14] to remember or remember remember

[2:27:19] to be aware of become aware of become

[2:27:22] aware at the dream time now I'm dreaming

[2:27:30] so once you realize dream time now I'm

[2:27:34] dreaming I'm in the state of dream then

[2:27:39] you can control dream

[2:27:43] and one my official

[2:27:47] monk official very honest I think no no

[2:27:51] point to tell lie to me he mentioned his

[2:27:54] mother

[2:27:56] I think that 19 I think 194 1950s

[2:28:00] his mother you see one day told him now

[2:28:06] I'm going to sleep long period

[2:28:10] So during that sleep you don't disturb

[2:28:13] my body. Mother told then next one week

[2:28:18] looks mother sleep. After one week,

[2:28:22] mother told him during those days,

[2:28:27] mother separated his subtle being and

[2:28:31] body grosser level of body separated and

[2:28:35] she visited different places

[2:28:38] and

[2:28:40] she actually sort of telling what really

[2:28:43] happened in these places.

[2:28:48] her dream body actually separated from

[2:28:51] from the body and visit different

[2:28:54] places.

[2:28:56] I wish you see I wish you such a friend

[2:29:00] there. Then as a government official I

[2:29:03] would send to spy what you are doing

[2:29:12] or to China

[2:29:17] then polit bureau meeting can can hear

[2:29:22] can watch

[2:29:30] So next question

[2:29:33] next question.

[2:29:35] Oh then the German German German German

[2:29:37] uh I have a question regarding death. Uh

[2:29:40] knowledge is only valuable in a to the

[2:29:43] limited extent unless we totally

[2:29:45] experience it. So you uh briefly

[2:29:48] mentioned the eight stages of

[2:29:50] dissolution.

[2:29:51] uh I imagine there are only very very

[2:29:53] few people who in their lifetime

[2:29:55] actually go through this death

[2:29:57] meditation process of these eight stages

[2:30:01] and I also imagine that those people who

[2:30:04] actually did live through these uh

[2:30:06] stages will not talk about it. So how do

[2:30:10] we know that these eight stages exist?

[2:30:13] And second why is it in Buddhism in

[2:30:16] Tibetan Buddhism of such importance for

[2:30:19] example in death meditation um

[2:30:22] visualization for example of yamantaka.

[2:30:24] So why are why is the power of

[2:30:26] visualization of such importance?

[2:30:42] that I as I already mentioned you see

[2:30:45] some people even you see the sick people

[2:30:49] some medical doctors they notice you see

[2:30:53] some patient you see some kind of sort

[2:30:56] of deep

[2:30:58] consciousness right now some kind of

[2:31:01] dreamlike sort of experience you see

[2:31:02] usually happen

[2:31:04] So there are some similarities. Then uh

[2:31:08] I have once sort of my friend who now

[2:31:12] practice

[2:31:13] uh seriously

[2:31:16] in these tantic practice or meditation

[2:31:20] last now I think more than 30 years he

[2:31:24] actually when meditate he remained in

[2:31:29] meditation deep meditation 3 hours.

[2:31:33] So he actually experience the different

[2:31:37] stages but there also is eight different

[2:31:40] sort of stages also is grosser and

[2:31:43] subtler subtler many differences.

[2:31:46] So grosser level of uh at least four

[2:31:51] fourth fifth sort of dissolution

[2:31:53] indication he actually experienced he

[2:31:56] told me

[2:31:59] there's no reason he tell me lie

[2:32:02] quite a reliable quite a knowledgeable

[2:32:04] so I believe that and then also is some

[2:32:07] of my my friend some practitioner

[2:32:12] they said they

[2:32:14] meditate

[2:32:16] At ger level of mind becoming more

[2:32:19] because of the inactive

[2:32:22] then subtle minds of experience then

[2:32:25] memory about past life become clear.

[2:32:31] Actually you say one my friend now no

[2:32:33] longer he told me like that

[2:32:37] again that person not liar. So these

[2:32:40] people who experience these eight stages

[2:32:42] of dissolution uh in life they speak

[2:32:45] about it. It is it is kind of conveyed

[2:32:48] uh to others or how do I have to

[2:32:51] understand that this knowledge of the

[2:32:52] eight stages exists if those what I

[2:32:56] would

[2:32:56] actually experienced.

[2:32:59] So in the in the text mentioned this

[2:33:03] text you see wrote by like Nagarjuna

[2:33:06] I think quite reliable sources not

[2:33:09] drunk. Oh

[2:33:12] not some some sort of they uh sometimes

[2:33:17] you see sellar of dharma

[2:33:20] in China also now uh because this is

[2:33:24] some Buddhist faith growing. So some uh

[2:33:29] say false lama from Tibet

[2:33:32] actually seeking money or sex no

[2:33:36] experience but claim or hire lama.

[2:33:42] So number of Chinese told me their

[2:33:45] disappointment met such people at the

[2:33:49] initially they really of the full faith

[2:33:52] then gradually they notice not genuine

[2:33:55] sort of say dharaja

[2:34:01] so like like Nagarjuna and his disciple

[2:34:05] Arya

[2:34:07] and Chantakiti they wrote very clearly

[2:34:12] And then in Tibet,

[2:34:15] among

[2:34:23] stories there

[2:34:27] also you see of experience. We can see

[2:34:32] his his writing in early life. He just

[2:34:36] recently mentioned or it state that it

[2:34:39] state that the later part of his writing

[2:34:42] clearly shows speaking from his own

[2:34:46] experience very clear.

[2:34:50] So we can we can rely where now they are

[2:34:54] words and then actual

[2:34:58] experience existing

[2:35:00] my generation some actual experiences

[2:35:03] happen. So then it confirmed that

[2:35:12] that in Buddhism there so we categorize

[2:35:18] three levels.

[2:35:23] So um when we talk about phenomena

[2:35:25] things there are three um categories. Um

[2:35:30] the first is the things which are

[2:35:32] obvious that we can see from with our

[2:35:34] senses and then the second category is

[2:35:37] the slightly hidden phenomena and uh

[2:35:40] then the third is a very hidden

[2:35:42] phenomena. H

[2:35:44] uh

[2:35:47] so the

[2:35:51] third level

[2:35:53] and the second level both ultimately

[2:35:57] depend on obvious level

[2:36:00] now scientists also

[2:36:03] you see investigate on obvious level

[2:36:08] things which are obvious to us

[2:36:10] and on that basis

[2:36:12] Then eventually this is the analyze more

[2:36:17] hidden phenomena.

[2:36:19] The most hidden phenomena then have to

[2:36:23] rely on third person.

[2:36:26] Now in order to rely that person third

[2:36:29] person we have to sort of investigate

[2:36:32] that third person whether reliable or

[2:36:35] not. In order to investigate that third

[2:36:38] person the his sort of explanation or

[2:36:42] his knowledge about first level second

[2:36:44] level must be correct 100% sure then we

[2:36:49] conclude that person is reliable then

[2:36:52] third third sort of level what he said

[2:36:56] through his his or her own experience

[2:36:58] then quite acceptable quite reliable.

[2:37:02] So the wrong process like that. So all

[2:37:07] these your knowledge

[2:37:10] nander masters Indian knowledge

[2:37:14] we better not invented these things all

[2:37:17] see they imported imported from India.

[2:37:22] So you Indian everything exported no

[2:37:27] nothing left.

[2:37:34] Okay. Okay.

[2:37:38] Sometimes I you see telling this is my

[2:37:40] Indian friends himself

[2:37:44] very much exported Mahatma Gandhi G and

[2:37:47] his follower and Nas Mandela followed

[2:37:50] that and even sometimes you see Yes.

[2:37:54] Arafat also later part of his life he

[2:37:56] also is following himself. So export so

[2:38:01] uh while exporting these things must

[2:38:04] produce continuously within the country.

[2:38:10] I think altruistic altruistic way

[2:38:13] everything

[2:38:14] give them and nothing left.

[2:38:20] Of course still India I think these

[2:38:23] potential traditional values still

[2:38:26] there. Now we should pay more attention

[2:38:29] about these values and educate our

[2:38:32] younger generation these values

[2:38:35] with combination the scientific sort of

[2:38:37] findings and these ancient Indian

[2:38:40] knowledge combinedly educate our younger

[2:38:44] generation that's very very important

[2:38:48] next question

[2:38:55] it.

[2:38:56] Um now that old one

[2:39:00] old is good.

[2:39:01] Why? Why? Why is it bad?

[2:39:04] Yes.

[2:39:04] Thank you. Uh Johannes,

[2:39:07] uh the world of spirituality is so vast

[2:39:10] that it's virtually impossible to fathom

[2:39:12] it in one lifetime. And uh and therefore

[2:39:16] one notices that some people uh in one

[2:39:18] lifetime can cover more distance much

[2:39:21] more distance than others. What do you

[2:39:23] think that is a function of?

[2:39:42] from Buddhist viewpoint according

[2:39:44] Buddhist explanation uh not just just

[2:39:49] one life.

[2:39:51] So continuation of life

[2:39:56] I think according my uh not very sure

[2:40:00] little experience including my dreaming

[2:40:04] uh some my previous life in this country

[2:40:08] some masters some scholars

[2:40:12] so at least I think several so several

[2:40:16] lives

[2:40:18] so I learned I study and practice

[2:40:22] So some traces or imprints of those life

[2:40:26] sort of experience knowledge I think one

[2:40:31] uh some difficult subject

[2:40:37] my case without much effort some point I

[2:40:41] easily understand

[2:40:44] then some occasion which is discussed

[2:40:47] with some top scholars

[2:40:50] they they They sort of knowledge they

[2:40:52] understand

[2:40:54] through lot of effort my understand

[2:40:58] without much effort but understand you

[2:41:01] should compare I'm not behind

[2:41:05] so then I felt oh maybe

[2:41:09] those subject I familiarize through many

[2:41:13] lives

[2:41:16] so that from Buddhist viewpoint Of

[2:41:20] course you see uh according theistic uh

[2:41:24] this very life created by God then god

[2:41:26] knows we don't know

[2:41:28] [Laughter]

[2:41:33] so that it seems you see and then also

[2:41:37] some my among my friend some few words

[2:41:41] they understand

[2:41:43] some

[2:41:44] several times explain still confused

[2:41:49] [Laughter]

[2:41:52] So you see there are really you see the

[2:41:56] uh some differences about imprint right

[2:42:00] now in past life.

[2:42:04] So then I always telling people a

[2:42:07] Buddhist practitioner you see don't

[2:42:10] expect becoming Buddha or become

[2:42:14] enlightenment within 3 years it is

[2:42:16] communist propaganda

[2:42:20] the reality

[2:42:23] it may take years

[2:42:26] so 100 lives or 100 thousand lives

[2:42:31] million lives go like

[2:42:35] But once you are mind basis of thinking

[2:42:40] set once of direction then life after

[2:42:43] life will continue

[2:42:46] then some improvement Buddha's own story

[2:42:49] mentioned

[2:42:51] three

[2:42:52] three countless eons

[2:42:54] no three countless

[2:42:58] so that really gives gives us some kind

[2:43:03] of determination.

[2:43:05] If too much sort of expectation within

[2:43:08] uh the three years become enlightenment

[2:43:12] then after three three years nothing

[2:43:14] happened then completely lost your faith

[2:43:17] your sort of enthusiasm so that's

[2:43:20] dangerous much better thinks yons

[2:43:26] and then I think I think my friend knows

[2:43:30] one very important of prayer so long

[2:43:33] space remain so Long sentient beings

[2:43:36] remain. I will remain in order to serve

[2:43:39] them. That really give us purpose of our

[2:43:43] life

[2:43:45] and because of the usefulness our life

[2:43:49] that also become source of satisfaction,

[2:43:53] source of inner strength, source of

[2:43:56] determination.

[2:43:57] Clear? Like that?

[2:44:00] Yes.

[2:44:03] Now perhaps

[2:44:04] yes it is this one

[2:44:07] your holiness I also have questions

[2:44:09] connected with the atisha text

[2:44:12] already 4:30

[2:44:14] oh then the last question yesa

[2:44:17] uh my questions are connected with the

[2:44:19] atisha text that we're doing

[2:44:22] uh stanza 55

[2:44:24] which talks about um conceptuality being

[2:44:27] the basis of samsara

[2:44:30] I would be very grateful if If you could

[2:44:32] explain that a little bit. It's a very

[2:44:34] very dense stanza.

[2:44:36] Yes, that it will come tomorrow.

[2:44:40] Uh I will go through kasuri briefly

[2:44:44] the text then that will come. Okay. So

[2:44:48] now let us let us rest

[2:44:53] and for me no dinner as a Buddhist monk

[2:44:59] on tea and if I feel hungry then few

[2:45:02] biscuits

[2:45:04] which is salutation to Buddha

[2:45:07] [Laughter]

[2:45:09] then sound sleep usually 8 hours 9 hours

[2:45:13] sleep.

[2:45:15] So let us take rest and see you again

[2:45:18] tomorrow. Thank you.

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In his New Delhi teaching in March 2013, the Dalai Lama defined a meaningful day as one that gives you genuine, lasting satisfaction. He contrasted that with harmful behavior like cheating or bullying, which may produce an immediate gratification but leaves a long-run uneasiness.
He said that when people think only of money, greed grows, and so they never reach satisfaction and always want more. He argued that compassionate thought and action provide the lasting satisfaction that money cannot.
It is one of the texts the Dalai Lama taught in New Delhi in March 2013, alongside Je Tsongkhapa's Lines of Experience. The first day of the three-day teaching used the introduction to frame the human-level questions that the path addresses.
He said human intelligence is a powerful gift but can also become a source of problems, bringing more worry, expectation, hope, and fear than animals experience. He argued that the same intelligence should be turned toward cultivating a calm mind rather than anxiety.
He described affection as a biological factor that humans and many animals receive from birth through the mother, giving a sense of security. He said this has nothing to do with religion and that a secure, comfortable mental state supports physical growth.
The Dalai Lama suggested analyzing your own experience and the lives of your friends: ask how happy or unhappy they are and what makes the difference. He concluded that real happiness in friendship comes from warm-heartedness rather than money, power, or education.
The teaching was given in New Delhi on March 22 to 24, 2013, and was organized by the Foundation for Universal Responsibility of His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The video description points to dalailama.com and furhhdl.org for further information.

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