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[0:02] Good afternoon everybody.
[0:14] I think last year
[0:16] also here isn't it?
[0:19] I remember you and some of you
[0:24] same person.
[0:27] Uh
[0:32] I would like to know uh among the sort
[0:35] of audience
[0:37] uh those who first time came here raise
[0:41] hand.
[0:49] Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Right.
[0:55] So then those people who uh participated
[1:00] previously
[1:02] I think one time or two times
[1:05] do you find some change on my face?
[1:10] Not much change.
[1:13] Huh?
[1:14] Actually
[1:18] [Laughter]
[1:23] last year I think February
[1:28] this right eye what called
[1:32] scatter
[1:32] scatter cataract
[1:34] scattered
[1:35] remove
[1:35] remove
[1:37] uh and then July this also
[1:44] Now my eye quite
[1:46] I quite clear quite clear.
[1:50] So some of those bold head you see few
[1:55] hairs I can see.
[2:03] [Laughter]
[2:12] So one year passed,
[2:16] time always go,
[2:19] always move.
[2:21] No force can stop that.
[2:26] Uh it is quite natural.
[2:33] So we have to go according that time
[2:36] movement
[2:38] along around al around that time
[2:40] movement.
[2:43] But one thing I always telling people we
[2:46] have one day uh
[2:50] uh what what we can do is use time
[2:55] properly meaningful
[2:57] sensible
[2:59] or
[3:01] just wasting time or sometimes time used
[3:05] for destructive work
[3:09] that up to
[3:14] So now the very purpose of our gathering
[3:18] here
[3:20] is how to utilize time properly
[3:25] and
[3:29] I think almost minute by minute hour to
[3:33] hour pray and day by day week by week
[3:37] month by month and year by Decade by
[3:40] decade through that way
[3:44] our rest of our whole life becomes
[3:46] something meaningful.
[3:51] So whether I accept
[3:53] uh life after this after death
[3:57] whether I accept or not whether believe
[4:00] or not
[4:02] it is important
[4:04] to spend this very life should be
[4:08] something
[4:10] uh meaningful.
[4:12] So meaningful means
[4:18] what's a day
[4:20] uh time which you really feel you get uh
[4:27] genuine
[4:29] satisfaction
[4:33] you time harming cheating bully
[4:40] you may get some kind of satisfaction
[4:43] At the immediate, immediate level
[4:45] immediate level
[4:47] but long run
[4:50] you yourself
[4:52] also feel some
[4:54] some doubt
[4:57] uh even non-believer
[5:00] too much cheating other people too much
[5:01] telling lies too much bully other
[5:04] exploit other
[5:06] although you see no concern about God or
[5:09] these things but Still as a human being
[5:13] little
[5:15] little
[5:17] uneasiness
[5:18] uneasiness
[5:18] uneasiness.
[5:22] So therefore uh though those thing which
[5:27] uh get
[5:29] genuine deep satisfaction
[5:33] and you you use your time activities
[5:37] which gives you real satisfaction.
[5:40] That's the meaningful life.
[5:45] So money
[5:48] will not give you real satisfaction.
[5:52] Think only money I think greed increase
[5:58] as a result you never get satisfaction
[6:02] always want more more
[6:08] compassionate sort of attitude act or
[6:12] compassion of thought really that gives
[6:16] you
[6:18] genuine longlasting satisfaction.
[6:24] So
[6:28] firstly before telling you as a Buddhist
[6:32] monk I have to check my own
[6:36] uh motivation or uh use how to use how
[6:42] use my own time.
[6:46] Yeah.
[6:52] So
[6:54] now my age
[6:57] uh not nearly
[6:59] 7 78.
[7:01] No 78.
[7:08] Oh, recently
[7:09] uh Mahakumba
[7:12] I received invitation
[7:14] as before as usual.
[7:17] So in the past I think three times Kumba
[7:23] uh I participated.
[7:26] So this is fourth.
[7:28] So I decide I must go.
[7:32] uh uh then
[7:36] the
[7:37] so that that period uh I
[7:42] am Dhanasala. So we arrange a charter
[7:45] plane from Dharmasala to Alabad.
[7:51] But then that very day weather bad.
[7:58] So uh generally speaking uh beyond my
[8:02] control but God control. So God not
[8:05] willing me to participate in
[8:10] then get postponed
[8:13] I think 10 days fixed one day again that
[8:18] day weather uh between there is a good
[8:21] weather but that very day again bad
[8:24] weather.
[8:26] uh so then I felt
[8:28] now
[8:30] uh
[8:33] if I cannot go the
[8:36] this time then next 12 years after 12
[8:41] years means my age 90 years
[8:47] so maybe
[8:50] difficult
[8:52] so I feel a little sad
[8:55] I really very very keen in the past
[8:58] every I visited
[9:02] like that but doesn't matter
[9:06] like that so important day's life must
[9:12] be meaningful life
[9:16] so now
[9:18] our topic the main purpose
[9:21] is let's
[9:23] how to carry our life some meaningful
[9:29] that I usually see they telling people
[9:34] uh uh at the beginning as a introduction
[9:38] of Buddha Dharma
[9:41] and then they how to practice Buddha
[9:44] Dharma. So two
[9:48] two two levels on two
[9:50] two level two two categories
[9:52] two faces two
[9:54] faces
[9:55] two faces yes so now introduction
[10:01] I think
[10:03] all sort of the audience already know uh
[10:09] but I usually used to telling people
[10:12] first we should think on human level we
[10:16] are human being.
[10:19] Uh
[10:21] of course all
[10:24] we usually call sensient being who have
[10:28] the assetive experience of pleasure and
[10:34] pains.
[10:37] We do not consider although there is
[10:39] some sort of debate
[10:42] that these plants also have some feeling
[10:46] or connective power.
[10:48] uh some school of thought now according
[10:52] ancient Indians of thought uh including
[10:56] Buddhism
[10:57] you see there's life
[11:01] uh so certain of their movement or
[11:04] reaction is only chemical
[11:08] due to chemical chemical reactions uh no
[11:12] feeling no mind
[11:17] except These these are the lives
[11:19] otherwise you do all the lives which uh
[11:23] have the feeling of pains and happiness
[11:27] and some kind of cognitive power.
[11:33] So we one of them
[11:36] and within that again this is
[11:39] sophisticated sort of brain
[11:42] which we have
[11:46] and others like animals or insects
[11:51] have the same sort of experience of
[11:54] feeling of pains and pleasure and some
[11:57] cognitive sort of experience or ability.
[12:02] But uh not much sort of thinking power.
[12:06] No
[12:07] intelligence intelligence.
[12:11] Uh we have you see this marvelous
[12:13] intelligence.
[12:15] All sensient being want happy life do
[12:18] not want suffering.
[12:21] uh then we because our unique powerful
[12:27] intelligence.
[12:29] So we have much bigger sort of ability
[12:34] uh to achieve happy happiness and
[12:39] reduce or avoid suffering.
[12:46] But meantime sometimes
[12:48] uh this marvelous intelligence also
[12:51] sometimes is a source of problem.
[12:55] I think even you see physical sort of
[12:57] alo illness also is sometimes too much
[12:59] stress here too much worry that's
[13:02] there's a mental level also dream of
[13:05] physical physical sort of health
[13:11] perhaps more educated people more
[13:15] sophisticated mind sometimes more worry
[13:18] because
[13:20] more sort of expectation more
[13:25] Hopes and fears.
[13:26] Oh no.
[13:27] Hopes and
[13:28] hopes and fears.
[13:29] Fear.
[13:29] No.
[13:31] Because of the this intelligence
[13:34] and the ordinary animal
[13:36] I think much less
[13:40] except images of threat. Otherwise they
[13:43] have not much of the thinking power or
[13:46] past memory. We have because of the
[13:50] intelligence.
[13:51] This is the our memory also is very very
[13:54] strong.
[13:56] And since we have this sort of writing
[13:59] or language
[14:01] uh we have the ability not only uh
[14:05] memory within our own lifetime but also
[14:08] generations in the past generations or
[14:11] centuries.
[14:12] So that also sometimes you see at worry,
[14:17] anger, hatred, hope like that.
[14:25] So now uh it is quite logical use our
[14:30] intelligence.
[14:32] Meanwhile intelligence should be source
[14:35] of happiness successful
[14:38] not worry not s of anxiety or stress.
[14:47] Now that that is I think from birth we
[14:51] already equipped
[14:54] sense of human affection.
[14:58] affection
[15:00] uh really source of
[15:03] what's
[15:05] uh the source of happiness,
[15:08] source of security, right? Sense of
[15:13] security, a sense of security,
[15:16] a source of self-confidence.
[15:23] I think we
[15:25] even other animal also who born from
[15:29] mother
[15:31] affection
[15:33] very strong even animal.
[15:37] So that provides their youngster
[15:41] sense of security
[15:43] and security right now and very sort of
[15:48] say comfortable sort of mental state
[15:52] that immense help for sustain or for
[15:56] proper growth of their physical cells.
[16:02] These are nothing to do with religion,
[16:05] biological factor. No question.
[16:10] Uh now there some scientist who carry
[16:15] some sort of investigation these things
[16:19] they found
[16:20] constant fear, constant hatred, anger
[16:25] very bad for our health.
[16:28] Uh
[16:31] so calm mind is very very important for
[16:34] our health. How develop calm mind with
[16:39] darkness? No
[16:42] utilize fully about our intelligence
[16:45] sharp intelligence
[16:47] and that intelligence is should be
[16:51] source of calm mind that can be done.
[16:59] In order to do that
[17:02] firstly we should develop awareness
[17:06] the usefulness about our own heartness.
[17:12] Analyze
[17:14] according your own experience and also
[17:17] analyze the your friends. Now analyze
[17:21] the how sort of happy or how sort of
[17:24] unhappy among your friends
[17:29] the real sort of happiness real sort of
[17:31] friendship comes from warmheartedness
[17:36] not from money not from power
[17:39] not from mere here education
[17:43] no knowledge
[17:45] that's quite clear
[17:49] so Then once we develop clear awareness,
[17:54] clear sort of understanding the
[17:56] warm-heartedness is really ultimate
[17:58] source of happiness, ultimate source of
[18:01] physical health. Then you pay more
[18:04] attention.
[18:08] So I usually telling what's three points
[18:13] or common experience.
[18:16] Uh that means we everybody
[18:19] uh
[18:22] born born no
[18:24] uh from mother.
[18:27] So those people who immediate
[18:31] immediately after b born and then next
[18:35] few years those uh children who really
[18:39] received maximum affection from their
[18:43] mother
[18:44] and including I think mother's milk and
[18:47] physical touch those human being and
[18:51] deep inside much happier
[18:55] uh and those children. Maybe
[18:59] the other day
[19:02] uh one are meeting this this uh speaker
[19:08] uh as a uh Dr. Karan Singh Dr. Singh
[19:15] myself then one Muslim great Muslim
[19:21] scholar practitioner.
[19:24] Oh wonderful. I met him before also. I I
[19:27] think
[19:31] the buyer huh
[19:34] who was that name?
[19:36] Molana.
[19:38] Oh that's wonderful Muslim I met before
[19:41] also. Wonderful.
[19:44] Now then the bishop Tutu's daughter.
[19:51] So uh while we answer or explain explain
[19:56] something
[19:58] uh different questions put all the sort
[20:00] of speakers speaker for people then
[20:05] during that sort of session of course uh
[20:10] Dr. guidance since I think 56 we know
[20:14] each other very close so I teach him as
[20:18] far as the receiving mothers or also the
[20:22] affection is concerned and close touch
[20:25] with mother is concerned I'm more
[20:28] fortunate oh I am just religious as the
[20:34] child
[20:36] then I told Dr. organizing as a son of
[20:40] Maharaja.
[20:41] So Maharani
[20:43] perhaps I think uh let their sort of
[20:49] yes
[20:51] take care
[20:53] and I think I the Rani may not give the
[20:57] milk
[20:59] but for my case you see no formality no
[21:02] s that kind of sat
[21:05] formality
[21:07] so I I teach him I receive more
[21:10] affection from my because of poor fam
[21:13] farmers.
[21:19] So that's our commonness of experience.
[21:25] Then that time I didn't mention uh uh
[21:29] usually I telling you see people uh
[21:34] say
[21:35] my mother is so kind to me
[21:41] and because of such kindness so I become
[21:45] quite bold so my mother quite often is
[21:50] carrying me on her shoulder.
[21:54] Uh then I hold my mother's two ear.
[22:00] When I want to go this side, I do this
[22:04] and this side go like that. So actually
[22:08] I control my mother's movement.
[22:11] I think Dr. Kesk I think never have that
[22:14] kind of experience. I think
[22:19] so in any way
[22:21] of course these are not sort of
[22:23] expression of disrespect of course I
[22:25] have deep respect
[22:27] at so the meeting I
[22:33] as I mentioned earlier so I mentioned
[22:35] you see like that so this part I I
[22:37] didn't mention in anyway in anyway uh so
[22:42] that's our common experience
[22:45] Then common sense
[22:47] among my friend
[22:50] uh those people
[22:53] uh may not be rich or significant person
[22:58] but very friendly
[23:01] trusted family members
[23:05] and also you see they uh treated other
[23:09] people
[23:11] as a close friend.
[23:13] and humble, sincere, honest. These
[23:18] people
[23:20] you see
[23:25] never appear as a stranger as a human
[23:28] being.
[23:31] Those
[23:33] may be some position or rich.
[23:39] Last year I met some group of Chinese
[23:41] from mainland China.
[23:44] Yeah. Uh some of them I think four or
[23:47] five
[23:48] uh educated and some sort of I think
[23:51] writers like that. One very very poor
[23:56] farmer
[23:58] quite old his sort of shoes his clothes
[24:03] very poor.
[24:07] So we sit together
[24:09] and of course I have some some sort of
[24:12] discussions or some talk with those uh
[24:16] intellectuals or writers.
[24:20] Uh then also I ask some something of the
[24:23] the poor passenger. Now
[24:28] then all those come from mainland China
[24:32] same all h Chinese
[24:36] but those educated
[24:38] most of successful life rare they look
[24:42] down that old person.
[24:46] So in deep inside I got a little
[24:49] irritation
[24:51] so I pay more attention towards that
[24:53] poor person. Yeah.
[24:56] And asked her own sort of life and the
[25:00] condition about their village farmers
[25:04] really the story really
[25:07] very sad. He told me
[25:11] he said those poor people
[25:14] in countryside nobody taking care about
[25:18] them.
[25:20] Officials
[25:21] don't care. So these people when you say
[25:26] got some problem nowhere to appear
[25:30] nowhere to seek help
[25:33] only power and money
[25:37] so such society such I think community
[25:42] where no sense of concern of others
[25:45] wellbeing sense of truthful honest
[25:52] And no real peace
[25:56] among Tibetan also when I was young
[26:00] when I asked my sweepers
[26:04] come from a village uneducated some most
[26:08] of them illit illiterate illiterate
[26:12] but when I ask some questions they they
[26:16] answer very frankly
[26:19] all sort of complaints about
[26:22] regent or some llamas or some officials
[26:27] they have no hesitation they carry all
[26:30] bad news.
[26:32] When I ask some officials
[26:35] uh same question then they say sometimes
[26:40] silence sometimes say oh okay good good
[26:44] like that.
[26:47] more
[26:51] ordinary people seems more honest, more
[26:55] truthful. That brings me trust. That
[26:59] brings me real friendship,
[27:03] maybe very successful life, but little
[27:06] bit sort of distance and difficult. So
[27:09] that actually against the basic human
[27:12] nature. So honest Truthful brings trust,
[27:17] trust brings friendship. That friendship
[27:20] is really sound.
[27:25] So
[27:27] uh when we use our common sense and
[27:29] judge then you get conviction or honest
[27:33] truthful
[27:35] compassionate attitude and then how how
[27:37] to bring honest and truthful. If you
[27:41] your your mind clean
[27:46] genuinely you see concern other's
[27:48] wellbeing
[27:49] not thinking your own sort of selfish
[27:52] sort of interest then you can act
[27:55] truthful or openly transparent
[28:01] through my self-centered attitude and
[28:04] ready to exploit other and even you want
[28:08] to be honest or truthful You can't
[28:10] because deep inside the self-centered
[28:13] attitude there.
[28:16] So analyze these things then you get
[28:19] conviction or
[28:23] sense of compassion or sense of sort of
[28:26] I say sense of concern of others
[28:27] wellbeing that really immense help to
[28:32] bring inner strength self-conidence
[28:36] through that way you can conduct
[28:38] attitude transparently that brings trust
[28:43] that brings friendship That creates
[28:46] happy human society
[28:49] no matter whether believer or
[28:50] non-believer
[28:52] isn't it.
[28:54] Uh
[28:56] now the third scientific sort of finding
[29:01] uh since last almost now over 30 years I
[29:05] have series of discussion with scientist
[29:09] different field.
[29:11] So particularly in medical science right
[29:15] uh
[29:17] uh how they through their own experiment
[29:21] now they clearly
[29:23] uh
[29:25] confirm now confirm
[29:28] warmheartedness is the source of healthy
[29:32] body self source of calm mind.
[29:40] So therefore
[29:41] uh first level on human level
[29:46] we everybody want happy life. So we must
[29:49] realize the ultimate source of happy
[29:53] life successful life
[29:57] is within ourself not material
[30:02] uh not power not fame
[30:05] real here.
[30:08] So nobody control that. It's entirely up
[30:12] to you.
[30:15] So that is important to know the
[30:20] ultimate source of your own happy life
[30:23] is within yourself. So pay more
[30:27] attention about that.
[30:30] That's number one.
[30:32] So that usually uh I tell I believe the
[30:37] India this country
[30:40] last
[30:42] over 3,000 years the secular concept
[30:46] secular ethics already there
[30:52] without any religious belief even remain
[30:56] non-believer
[30:58] of God or these things
[31:01] uh But accept these secular ethics.
[31:07] I think that's uh
[31:11] I think great sorosity treasure of
[31:16] India. I think because of that himsa
[31:20] also related
[31:22] respect
[31:24] different different belief
[31:27] and including non-believer.
[31:30] So respect there. So harmony comes
[31:34] not harming
[31:36] other. So himsa and religious harmony
[31:42] these things will happen.
[31:47] So they consult to a himsa
[31:51] very much with this respect other
[31:54] other's life others right
[31:58] then no basis to harm to try to control
[32:02] so real aimsa basis of real aimsa
[32:05] related with that kind of more mental
[32:08] attitude
[32:10] then religious harmony also you see very
[32:11] much related with that respect others
[32:14] view others is right then respect their
[32:18] religion. Although you personally do not
[32:20] agree their view but uh but these people
[32:25] also human being also people so they
[32:28] have right to carry their own views so
[32:32] respect
[32:33] so that's this basis of religious
[32:36] harmony so these things are I think uh
[32:41] ancient Indian as a tradition so these
[32:45] are not only ancient tradition but also
[32:48] very much relevant today's world.
[32:58] So please those people is who have
[33:02] opportunity to share more people please
[33:05] you tell uh these ancient sort of your
[33:09] tradition and values
[33:12] uh there's something very important
[33:16] whenever I give talk I always mentioned
[33:19] these things are uh uh ancient Indian
[33:24] sort of tradition
[33:26] So I simply messenger of this tradition.
[33:31] So sometimes uh I telling particularly
[33:35] when I met some sort of Indian spiritual
[33:38] leaders or spiritual practitioners I
[33:41] always say you are my guru.
[33:45] So guru's level now I'm as a chella or
[33:49] kas
[33:51] messenger
[33:53] level quite active
[33:56] to to mention these things to share to
[34:00] know more people. So now my boss the
[34:04] guru's level must be active
[34:08] not sufficient to carry some sort of
[34:11] your rituals
[34:12] and uh uh I should recite some uh
[34:18] difficult shloka of Sanskrit
[34:23] that's not sufficient you see uh must
[34:28] come out and more contact with masses
[34:33] particularly the younger generation
[34:36] educated people and make these
[34:40] thousand-y old tradition is very much
[34:42] relevant today's world look some places
[34:46] in the name of religion fighting killing
[34:51] very sad among same Christian sometimes
[34:56] conflict among same Muslim
[35:00] conflict
[35:02] And then recently in Burma this area
[35:06] actually I think the economy reasons
[35:10] but use the name of religion. So some
[35:13] conflict Muslim and Buddhist and Sri
[35:16] Lanka Buddhist and Hindus.
[35:21] So now these are the thousand year old
[35:24] India tradition is a must of make known
[35:28] and we should we should be more active
[35:32] to educate more people.
[35:38] So this is number one. Then now another
[35:42] level
[35:43] believer on that level
[35:47] basically
[35:48] uh theistic religions non-theistic
[35:51] religions
[35:53] for example in within this country I
[35:56] think uh almost I think 3 4,000 years uh
[36:02] different spirituality
[36:05] uh begin start
[36:08] now I Think according some sort of
[36:12] translation from Indian text the SA
[36:16] philosophy SA tradition
[36:19] is earliest sort of non Buddhist
[36:22] tradition and then from there then more
[36:29] one one root sa philosophy then more
[36:32] sort of branch
[36:36] uh
[36:41] So within Sana according uh divine
[36:45] translation
[36:48] I think there was text and was kasa
[36:57] vive. No,
[37:00] usually not difficult. Today I find it
[37:02] really difficult to to pronounce
[37:06] Baba.
[37:07] Now
[37:09] I cannot pronounce properly. Okay. uh
[37:13] that great scholar
[37:16] uh uh and also Shandanda Rakita
[37:21] and Shanda also some extent and then
[37:24] Dignak Dhamagiti
[37:29] mainly you see these great masters of
[37:31] Nalander they in their writing
[37:35] I think practically at that time
[37:40] at that time sort of existing ing all
[37:43] Indian philosophical thoughts mentioned.
[37:48] Uh so within SA philosophy there are two
[37:52] categories. One category uh uh
[37:58] no no concept of creator.
[38:02] Another uh category of sanja uh except
[38:07] creator.
[38:09] Then uh many others you see accept
[38:12] creator Brahma like that.
[38:16] Uh then
[38:20] uh
[38:23] then Janism
[38:25] no concept of creator.
[38:29] Uh and
[38:32] almost the same period Buddha came.
[38:36] Mahavira and Buddha I think except a few
[38:41] 30 40 years differences otherwise the
[38:43] same. So these two great master you see
[38:48] uh no concept of creator. So three
[38:53] traditions
[38:55] uh one part of sanja and jennism and
[38:59] Buddhism these three
[39:04] nonjast
[39:08] and on the world also I think Judaism
[39:13] and Judaism
[39:16] uh and Christian Christianity and Islam
[39:22] all except
[39:24] the creator.
[39:28] So I think non-theistic religion I think
[39:31] only these three I think ancient
[39:33] religion ancient Indian religion
[39:37] uh one part of sa philosophy sa school
[39:40] of thought and then genisism and
[39:43] Buddhism.
[39:47] So now when we look philosophical field
[39:52] big differences
[39:55] even within
[39:57] the theistic sort of believer there are
[40:00] differences
[40:02] as far as I know the Muslim Allah one
[40:07] God only god
[40:10] uh
[40:13] the Christian Christianity trinity
[40:17] Although I think maybe same god
[40:20] I don't know three gods or same god
[40:25] trinity
[40:27] but
[40:29] [Laughter]
[40:31] oh okay
[40:33] uh
[40:36] then later sism
[40:39] I think very open-minded
[40:42] uh in the spirit of
[40:45] non sectarian
[40:49] And the gurun
[40:53] even
[40:55] take took pilgrimage to Mecca isn't it?
[40:59] So this is a very clear sign non
[41:02] sectarian
[41:04] respect all existing sort of uh beliefs
[41:08] faiths wonderful
[41:11] so
[41:13] so in spite different big differences in
[41:17] philosophical field but all carry same
[41:21] practice or same teaching teaching of
[41:24] love compassion with that tolerance
[41:27] forgiveness
[41:31] and
[41:32] individual contentment
[41:36] for the new pope.
[41:38] This is seems I think very simple sort
[41:41] of simp simply way of life isn't it? I
[41:43] heard you say he
[41:47] talk with people on human level not much
[41:52] not much distance wonderful
[41:56] and on according BBC you see he also you
[41:58] see managed his own food
[42:02] uh then in that case you see he much
[42:05] advanced than me I I never made my own
[42:08] food
[42:11] even making tea or difficult I don't
[42:15] know particularly with salt how much
[42:18] salt necessary I don't know
[42:23] so many Christian brother sisters
[42:27] when I visited their nana and
[42:29] monasteries oh they are life very
[42:33] simplicity they very much empan
[42:40] monk maybe more luxurious
[42:43] those some Christian
[42:45] monks monastery
[42:47] really wonderful
[42:49] so all these and then many people some
[42:54] Muslims also some Christians really
[42:57] totally dedicated their life for serving
[43:01] other people poor people now in India
[43:04] some of our settlement in in in
[43:08] different sort of states
[43:11] most of these are settlement in remote
[43:13] area, tribes, tribal, tribal area.
[43:17] So difficult, quite remote.
[43:21] But I found some Christian nuns.
[43:26] Uh you see working in these remote area
[43:33] teacher as a working as a teacher or as
[43:37] a sort of the medical as the workers
[43:40] like that.
[43:43] So there that kind of such they
[43:47] dedication right dedication hold their
[43:50] life uh come from their own faith
[43:55] like late mother Teresa.
[43:58] So it is clearly sort of indicated.
[44:08] You see uh in spite different philosophy
[44:12] some say there's creator some say no
[44:15] creator
[44:16] but real practice is concerned
[44:20] all the sincere practitioner
[44:23] really
[44:27] practice compassion
[44:30] out of compassion you say serving
[44:34] people particularly needy people
[44:37] wonderful
[44:40] So therefore there is sufficient reason
[44:44] respect all those major tradition
[44:52] different philosophy
[44:54] the same potential to create
[44:58] sensible good human being compassion
[45:01] good human being
[45:05] so that's the basis of Mutual respect
[45:10] and once we develop admiration,
[45:14] mutual admiration, then there is
[45:16] tendency to learn their tradition, their
[45:20] philosophical views.
[45:23] So through that way mutual learning also
[45:26] come. So that's the basis of genuine
[45:30] harmony among the different tradition.
[45:36] So each
[45:37] have their own sort of unique because of
[45:40] that unique thing which uh
[45:46] to certain certain people
[45:50] because of mental disposition
[45:53] is suitable
[45:55] that particular way of approach is more
[45:58] effective
[46:01] so that's quite understandable among the
[46:04] Buddhist
[46:06] among the Buddha's own follower.
[46:09] He taught sort of different
[46:12] philosophical views.
[46:15] It appears contradictory
[46:18] but that Buddha deliberately taught
[46:20] because that sort of philos particular
[46:23] philosophical view is suitable to that
[46:26] particular person.
[46:33] So different because of you see
[46:35] different method disposition
[46:38] and also from the Buddhist viewpoint
[46:40] also is it due to previous karmic or
[46:43] previous
[46:44] imprint
[46:48] or previous of imprints.
[46:51] So there are so many different
[46:53] disposition even you see twins
[46:57] uh different disposition always there
[47:02] you can't sort of explain thoroughly
[47:04] from physical
[47:06] particles
[47:08] so including
[47:10] some so to say imprint that quite
[47:13] mysterious of course
[47:16] so like that therefore you see uh among
[47:20] Buddha's own Buddha's own follower you
[47:23] see because of different disposition
[47:25] Buddha taught different contradictory
[47:28] philosophy
[47:30] uh so as a Buddhist
[47:34] uh what we learn from that sort of
[47:36] situation
[47:38] uh yes on this planet now for example
[47:40] today about 7 billion human beings there
[47:45] and different location
[47:48] climate different way of life, different
[47:51] style of food.
[47:54] So different sort of culture, different
[47:57] sort of mentality there. So we really
[48:00] need different way of approach
[48:03] you see to uh to cultivate love,
[48:07] compassion, forgiveness, these things.
[48:10] So once we realize recognize these this
[48:15] fact this fact then we develop
[48:19] a city
[48:21] mutual respect mutual admiration like
[48:24] that
[48:28] one time in uh in Vena
[48:32] some meeting that meeting took place in
[48:35] a monastery Christian monastery.
[48:39] So I think two days some discussion
[48:42] meeting then next early morning uh I
[48:47] think because my meeting with the
[48:49] chancellor Austia chancellor so I left
[48:53] early morning from that monastery. So as
[48:57] usual sort of my practice
[48:59] before leaving that monastery I pay my
[49:04] respect to uh Jesus Christ the statue of
[49:09] Jesus Christ in their main chapter
[49:11] chapter chapter
[49:13] I spent a few moment
[49:17] then I reflect on millions of people you
[49:22] see get immense of benefit
[49:27] from
[49:30] uh Jesus Christ.
[49:33] So reflect these things and tear comes
[49:37] in my eye. Oh really wonderful.
[49:43] Uh
[49:46] that does not mean I accept creator. No,
[49:51] I have plenty of reasons to argue the
[49:55] concept of creator
[49:59] because dign and particularly dharmaki
[50:03] really you see put lot of reasons
[50:06] argument if you accept creator there are
[50:10] lot of problems here among his own
[50:13] creations there
[50:15] and the creator no beginning no end
[50:18] means permanent
[50:19] The source is permanent. Then the
[50:22] creator must be either never happened or
[50:27] permanent.
[50:29] These are the main sort of reasons
[50:32] dharmaki you raise this this
[50:38] questions
[50:42] and of course I think I mentioned I
[50:45] think previous meeting also I mentioned
[50:47] one of my sort of friend
[50:50] very religious-minded
[50:52] he asked me just very sincerely
[50:56] all human beings all whole world created
[51:00] by God full of mercy full of love and
[51:04] among his creatures his creatures lot of
[51:08] sort of mischievous people there so why
[51:13] the creator create such mischievous
[51:15] people
[51:16] he sincerely asked me this question
[51:22] what what what your answer
[51:25] you
[51:28] what would be your
[51:33] So that I see because I know him. So I
[51:38] half of how joke
[51:41] I told him. Oh because you see God
[51:44] creates hell. So there must be some
[51:46] people who have to go help
[51:50] otherwise no use to create hell.
[51:57] So in any way in any way I really you
[51:59] see they respect or admire these
[52:03] Christians Christianity and also Islam.
[52:07] Now sometimes you see now nowadays if
[52:09] people have so wrong impression uh Islam
[52:13] is more militant religion totally wrong.
[52:17] uh and also the very word jihad. Uh
[52:23] see some my friend Islam, Muslim friend
[52:26] here and also I sort of discuss with
[52:30] some professors of Islam. Uh they say
[52:34] the very meaning of jihad is combat your
[52:38] own negative sort of the negative
[52:41] actions, negative emotion these things.
[52:44] So this every religion they teach us
[52:48] when we about to develop negative
[52:51] harmful emotion we must compare we must
[52:54] face that and try to minimize try to
[52:58] neutralize like that.
[53:05] So uh
[53:07] so also I think I I mentioned perhaps I
[53:10] think uh many occasion I mentioned the
[53:14] Fatima
[53:16] in Portugal.
[53:19] There's one small statue of Mary.
[53:24] So one occasion uh as a part of my sort
[53:28] of practice uh pilgrimage pilgrimage to
[53:32] different holy places. So uh one time I
[53:36] have opportunity so pilgrim pilgrimage
[53:39] pilgrimage sorry
[53:41] go on pilgrimage
[53:42] to go on pilgrimage
[53:45] fatima.
[53:47] So one this size of Mary statue
[53:53] and as usual some Christian brother,
[53:55] sisters and myself we sit uh together
[53:59] and some silence meditation.
[54:03] Then finishing that uh we about leaving.
[54:08] So then I turned back the small statues
[54:12] Mary statue actually that Mary statue
[54:16] smiling.
[54:18] Uh I look again look smiling.
[54:25] So it seems uh they marry so much of
[54:29] loving kindness there. So he do not
[54:31] distinction Buddhist or non-b Buddhist
[54:33] not much sort of differences
[54:35] or or Christians or non-Christians not
[54:37] much differences.
[54:40] So that I really felt oh yes I really
[54:43] respect all these major religions I
[54:46] admire I appreciate. So the Mary seems
[54:50] to acknowledge by sincere
[54:55] feeling sincerity.
[55:01] So we can practice
[55:03] you can develop
[55:05] genuine respect to all religions
[55:09] meanwhile preserve your own practice.
[55:16] So here important faith
[55:20] and respect make differences
[55:23] differences
[55:25] respect always major religious tradition
[55:29] may appreciate
[55:32] uh and meantime your own sort of faith
[55:36] remain kasod
[55:39] without mixing these things.
[55:45] So now that is the second now uh you
[55:50] know theistic religion non-theistic
[55:51] religion now non-theistic religion three
[55:55] major
[55:57] mainly three
[55:59] so within three non-theistic religion
[56:02] differences now question of atma
[56:08] uh
[56:11] uh some philosophy
[56:14] And all the branch also the school of
[56:18] thought which come from sanja philosophy
[56:21] all accept atma theory
[56:25] uh and janism also. Now only Buddhism do
[56:30] not accept do not have concept of atma.
[56:35] So so therefore Buddhism
[56:39] Buddha right from beginning say anatma
[56:43] theory
[56:47] So teaches
[56:51] no.
[56:54] So the Buddha teaches
[56:55] louder
[56:56] or four things about which are
[56:58] impermanence of things and uh selfless
[57:02] or emptiness of things as well as the
[57:05] selflessness of things.
[57:06] Mhm. So the four noble truth Buddhas of
[57:10] the first of dharm he taught four noble
[57:13] truth. So there he mentioned anatasma
[57:17] theory.
[57:19] So that is the basis of all Buddhist
[57:22] school of thought
[57:25] uh the original sort of the for noble
[57:27] truth that accept accepted all Buddhist
[57:31] school of thought.
[57:33] Then further sort of definition
[57:37] about anatma or sha. Then you see Buddha
[57:42] himself you see taught different sort of
[57:45] different different
[57:48] levels
[57:51] sutra
[57:53] uh
[57:55] uh and many other sutras. And then uh he
[57:58] taught and also some sutra uh uh which
[58:03] the root text root text of I think root
[58:07] text of uh chidamatra philosophy all
[58:11] these Buddha taught uh but you see
[58:14] different meaning of emptiness or shiny.
[58:20] So all these the root is an
[58:27] Uh so that's the uh uh now differences
[58:32] about Buddha Dharma. Now Buddha Dharma
[58:35] the uh
[58:39] after Buddha enlightened enlightened
[58:43] his first dharma wheel he taught for
[58:47] noble truth.
[58:49] Then after some time then he taught the
[58:55] uh
[58:59] sutra
[59:01] and then another dhama.
[59:05] Uh but you see it seems quite clear the
[59:09] four noble truth in Pali language.
[59:14] I think mainly I think later you see the
[59:16] alo edit in in Bali language.
[59:19] So that's more or less publicly
[59:24] then the pjaparamid sutra
[59:28] uh such sort of teaching not publicly
[59:31] sort of taught but selected audience.
[59:38] So
[59:40] uh vulture peak
[59:42] in that place uh you see I think
[59:48] obviously you see selected audience then
[59:51] you taught that
[59:54] if you do not accept these teachings are
[59:57] not true Buddhist teaching
[1:00:00] then
[1:00:02] ultimately we have to accept uh like
[1:00:07] Nagarjuna
[1:00:08] You see these great nana masters you see
[1:00:12] their wisdom their intelligence is sha
[1:00:18] and greater than Buddha.
[1:00:21] Isn't that right? If you read you see
[1:00:25] the Bi of the script Buddhist own
[1:00:30] teaching and then those nagjunas they
[1:00:33] are writing
[1:00:35] their way of analyze very sharp very
[1:00:39] scientific
[1:00:42] so that we we can't accept and then juna
[1:00:46] these are the great sites s masters the
[1:00:51] I often used to telling Occasionally I
[1:00:53] telling as far as Indian history is
[1:00:56] concerned Nagarajuna should know better
[1:01:00] than western scholars.
[1:01:03] Firstly
[1:01:05] he was Indian.
[1:01:07] Secondly, his time is only I think 3 400
[1:01:11] years after Buddha
[1:01:14] much closer than uh after 2,500
[1:01:18] years somewhere scholars isn't it?
[1:01:23] Then most important
[1:01:25] the judging Nagarjuna's writing
[1:01:30] uh his mind is very sharp
[1:01:34] not dull pe not dull person
[1:01:38] he not easily accept what others say he
[1:01:41] never acted like yes minister
[1:01:46] sometimes you see religious or follower
[1:01:49] very faithful whatever their teachers
[1:01:51] say yes yes Yes. Yes. That's almost like
[1:01:54] yes minister.
[1:01:57] So nagjuna not that kind Buddha's own
[1:02:01] word he analyze. uh this Buddhist
[1:02:05] statement right statement we cannot
[1:02:08] accept literally because if you accept
[1:02:11] that then uh sort of dis contradictory
[1:02:17] of things will come. So we have to
[1:02:22] take different interpretation we cannot
[1:02:24] accept literally. So Nagarjuna and all
[1:02:28] his follower like that kind of thinking
[1:02:31] always trying to investigate
[1:02:35] through reasoning
[1:02:37] and of course these people through their
[1:02:40] own experiences
[1:02:42] although too early some of Tibetan
[1:02:45] masters through their own experience you
[1:02:48] see
[1:02:51] they they show they show us certain
[1:02:54] things
[1:02:56] Even my own generation of course I have
[1:02:58] no no experience but my previous
[1:03:02] generations you see I know some of them
[1:03:05] some kind of extraordinary experiences I
[1:03:08] personally knows. So therefore
[1:03:11] it's a combined
[1:03:13] intellectual understanding and then
[1:03:16] through practice actual experiences.
[1:03:20] So through that way you see like
[1:03:22] Nagaraja say except the Sanskrit
[1:03:25] tradition originally taught by Buddha
[1:03:29] himself not publicly.
[1:03:35] So two sort of what you say traditions
[1:03:38] BI tradition Sanskrit tradition
[1:03:42] and Nandanda
[1:03:44] practice both
[1:03:46] vinya
[1:03:48] uh
[1:03:50] now even today same Burma, Thailand, Sri
[1:03:56] Lanka so these uh ter
[1:04:00] countries
[1:04:02] they are winner you practice is
[1:04:05] as our sort of been a practice.
[1:04:11] I think two two years ago I two two I
[1:04:14] think two two three years ago I think
[1:04:16] one uh what's say kasa
[1:04:19] uh world parliament of religion
[1:04:23] uh
[1:04:24] uh of course first I think in Chicago or
[1:04:28] something then south Africa and then
[1:04:30] some different places I always
[1:04:32] participated and one occasion I think
[1:04:35] the last one in Melbourne uh
[1:04:38] Melbourneh Melbourne
[1:04:39] Melbourne Melbourne
[1:04:42] uh there
[1:04:43] uh I think some of you I think already
[1:04:45] know some I think knew there uh the dele
[1:04:50] delegates one from Burma so two Burmese
[1:04:55] monk there so they sent a message to me
[1:04:59] they want to see me and I I have deep
[1:05:03] respect or admiration about Burmese
[1:05:06] Buddhist tradition
[1:05:08] queen's practice
[1:05:10] you see the lineage from Burma. So I
[1:05:13] have sort of deep sort of admiration. So
[1:05:16] when I heard there's a two Burmese monk
[1:05:19] big shoe is want to see me then in my
[1:05:22] room I I myself also wear this yellow
[1:05:26] yellow rope uh and received them receive
[1:05:29] received two two monks from Burma
[1:05:34] and we sat and he
[1:05:39] the Burmese monk has told me we are the
[1:05:42] follower of same Buddha Buddha
[1:05:47] However, we have uh many differences.
[1:05:51] Then I immediately felt oh now wrong
[1:05:55] information
[1:05:58] some sort of western writers you see
[1:06:01] they describe Tibetan Buddhism is
[1:06:03] llamaism
[1:06:05] not genuine authentic Buddhism. Uh then
[1:06:08] secondly Tibetan llamas themselves you
[1:06:11] see proof we are not genuine nander
[1:06:14] tradition we have quite free
[1:06:18] where monk's robe with wife
[1:06:22] drink
[1:06:24] we are never allowed that
[1:06:27] so I think some of our own people
[1:06:30] sometimes you see disgrace oneself
[1:06:33] disgrace oneself and then so you see
[1:06:36] some writer described Buddhism is
[1:06:38] lameism not genuine Buddhism. So they I
[1:06:42] immediately I felt oh the two Burmese
[1:06:45] wonderful two two monk I think got wrong
[1:06:47] impression. Then I told
[1:06:50] yes there's differences.
[1:06:53] Uh however the basis of a Buddha dharma
[1:06:56] is vinaya practice.
[1:06:59] So our vinya except the our vida lineage
[1:07:06] is uh ma mulas
[1:07:12] then in pali tradition
[1:07:15] mostly uh
[1:07:19] so tradition.
[1:07:21] So I also we also used to check
[1:07:24] differences about moka pim mosha in pali
[1:07:28] mosha in Sanskrit. We our mosha in
[1:07:32] Sanskrit. So in our mosha 253 rules
[1:07:37] precepts
[1:07:38] and pali 220
[1:07:43] or 227 some like that. So uh I already
[1:07:49] sort of we already sort of study these
[1:07:51] things or make comparison. So therefore
[1:07:53] I I explain all the vinea practice and
[1:07:57] our precepts on these things. Then the
[1:08:00] two these two monks
[1:08:03] say showing me a little bit surprise. Oh
[1:08:05] you also have this these kind of
[1:08:06] practice.
[1:08:10] So these are same practice
[1:08:13] actually basis of a Buddha Dharma.
[1:08:17] Uh then so Nalinda like Nagarjuna
[1:08:22] great sort of big
[1:08:24] uh his lineage is our sort of the
[1:08:28] lineage same he was one of the earliest
[1:08:34] lineage
[1:08:35] Buddha Buddha's own son Rahul
[1:08:40] then I think a few few generations then
[1:08:44] uh Nagarajuna
[1:08:46] Then through that way the shadakita
[1:08:48] shhat raida invited by Tibetan emperor
[1:08:52] in uh 8th century. So he give ordination
[1:08:56] bishop ordination
[1:08:58] our lineage is come from come from him.
[1:09:03] So like that. So Pali tradition and
[1:09:06] Sanskrit tradition
[1:09:13] uh nan tradition combined both I takish
[1:09:18] like uh the
[1:09:21] bos
[1:09:23] I think he also I think study takish I
[1:09:26] think his writing
[1:09:30] I think original Sanskrit or Bali
[1:09:37] or
[1:09:42] any writing in Pali or from these great
[1:09:45] nar masters
[1:09:49] you do not know.
[1:09:54] So,
[1:09:55] so then then Tibet Buddhism as I
[1:09:59] mentioned earlier
[1:10:03] uh
[1:10:06] in 7th century and particularly 8th
[1:10:09] century Buddha Dharma already flourished
[1:10:12] in China
[1:10:15] I think at least two three centuries
[1:10:17] earlier.
[1:10:19] Uh so through marriage Tibetan 7th
[1:10:24] centuries Tibetan emperor son Xango
[1:10:27] married with one Chinese princess. So
[1:10:31] when Chinese princess came to Lassa uh
[1:10:35] he brought one uh important Buddha
[1:10:38] statue
[1:10:40] and he also married with one nebl
[1:10:43] princess.
[1:10:45] So uh that also is brought one Buddha
[1:10:48] statue. These two Buddha statues uh
[1:10:52] consider very very important sort of
[1:10:56] sacred Buddha statue in Rasa.
[1:10:59] Yeah.
[1:11:02] So the family ties already there, the
[1:11:07] true marriage already there. But then
[1:11:11] 8th century
[1:11:14] uh the Tibetan emperor
[1:11:17] prefer as far as Buddhism is concerned
[1:11:22] they prefer
[1:11:24] deals directly with India.
[1:11:29] So 8th centuries at that time one of the
[1:11:33] top master of Nalinda
[1:11:36] institution Shandanda Rakita he invited
[1:11:42] then Shandra Rashidita's age already
[1:11:44] over 70 75 or something like that that
[1:11:49] according Tibetan belief 900 years
[1:11:53] so one my Indian friend you see jokingly
[1:11:56] told me or Tibetan fontry you a long
[1:11:58] life. So therefore they put additional
[1:12:01] zero. So 90 become 900.
[1:12:09] So so anyway anyway you see uh I think
[1:12:13] it is quite common right?
[1:12:16] uh late 70s late his age
[1:12:21] over 70s he invited by Tibetan emperor
[1:12:25] he came then he start translation and
[1:12:29] keep teaching give the wows bishu wows
[1:12:34] because of the shaman and bishu all
[1:12:37] these you see he introduced
[1:12:41] and then meantime
[1:12:43] at the 7th century King Sonza Gambo
[1:12:46] introduced Tibetan script
[1:12:50] copy one of the ancient Indian ancient
[1:12:53] one of the Indian don the deagree
[1:12:56] deary script.
[1:12:59] So some of the ashuka pillars writing we
[1:13:02] can we do not understand the meaning but
[1:13:05] we can we can read like that. So some
[1:13:09] similar sort of
[1:13:12] kaz
[1:13:14] letters letters similar like that.
[1:13:18] Uh then grammar copy the Indian grammar
[1:13:22] Sanskrit grammar like that.
[1:13:25] Uh
[1:13:28] so I think over thousand years since
[1:13:30] then I think
[1:13:36] so um amongst the five major subjects
[1:13:40] that we consider amongst there is also
[1:13:43] this Sanskrit which we learn. Oh,
[1:13:48] I also you see this lazy poor student
[1:13:53] also you see learn Sanskrit the grammar
[1:13:56] part.
[1:13:58] My teacher the my senior t teach tutor
[1:14:02] uh
[1:14:06] when when I received a lesson from him
[1:14:09] he told me one particular text
[1:14:13] Calab
[1:14:16] the text.
[1:14:20] I say my tutor he also used to study the
[1:14:25] calaba.
[1:14:27] So when he give me explanation
[1:14:30] uh last 30 years uh after he learned
[1:14:35] then after 30 years he never touched
[1:14:38] that book for 30 years. uh but uh then
[1:14:42] he told me he now last 30 years he never
[1:14:45] sort of looked at that text or I may not
[1:14:48] have very clear memory but then when
[1:14:51] actually he explained oh his memory very
[1:14:54] sharp
[1:14:57] like that I also used to learn so that's
[1:15:00] part of our study not Chinese language
[1:15:02] but Sanskrit language
[1:15:05] so uh so is a Tibetan wheat since I
[1:15:09] think 7th century 8th century we develop
[1:15:12] very very close link with nalinda
[1:15:15] traditions.
[1:15:18] So uh
[1:15:22] last several years I think few decades I
[1:15:26] start to introduce Tibetan Buddhism is n
[1:15:30] pure nander tradition nander lineage.
[1:15:36] If say or mahana tradition or hin
[1:15:38] tradition that create more confusion
[1:15:40] simply nu tradition uh then this was
[1:15:44] quite clear like that.
[1:15:48] Uh
[1:15:50] so 9th century
[1:15:54] uh then uh king
[1:16:05] killed
[1:16:06] then eventually dis disintegrated.
[1:16:12] uh
[1:16:16] I think few few centuries remain like
[1:16:18] that
[1:16:21] car
[1:16:22] four centuries and then yeah then
[1:16:25] eventually
[1:16:27] uh
[1:16:30] the small Tibetan kingdom in western
[1:16:33] part of Tibet the capital Tuling.
[1:16:38] So then he
[1:16:43] uh tried to follow his sort of because
[1:16:46] of the and his ancestors sort of
[1:16:49] practice. He uh tried he firstly sent
[1:16:54] some his best sort of uh Buddhist
[1:16:57] masters sent to India and study and then
[1:17:03] uh according these people at that time
[1:17:08] one sort of was a well-known master
[1:17:13] was Atisha Deongara from Bangalore kaza
[1:17:18] from Bangalore from Bengali.
[1:17:20] Bengal
[1:17:21] Bengal.
[1:17:23] So eventually he invited
[1:17:26] when the Atisha Dongara reached uh
[1:17:32] western Tibet Tuling
[1:17:35] then he wrote this text.
[1:17:39] uh this this text on
[1:17:45] so all Tibetan the lineage
[1:17:51] after after him then numa gu saja
[1:17:58] uh
[1:17:59] all follow the position the sort of uh
[1:18:05] this short text
[1:18:09] like uh Ningma
[1:18:12] Rabja
[1:18:14] uh his
[1:18:16] uh uh writing
[1:18:20] some important writing according this
[1:18:23] text
[1:18:24] then go
[1:18:27] uh topaji
[1:18:30] uh so writing
[1:18:33] follow this this text
[1:18:35] Then Saja Lamre
[1:18:38] uh part of Namsum follow this teaching
[1:18:43] uh and then Katamba of course his own
[1:18:47] sort of lineage
[1:18:49] then
[1:18:51] Lama Zongaba Giluk also used to follow
[1:18:55] this this text right so this is
[1:18:59] this become root text of all different
[1:19:03] lineage of Tibet
[1:19:06] after
[1:19:08] 10th century, 11th century like that.
[1:19:17] Then I received a transmission about
[1:19:20] this teaching this text from uh one kunu
[1:19:26] kunu laba
[1:19:28] uh ringit
[1:19:31] one good scholar of deu monastery. He
[1:19:36] actually uh actually sorry he
[1:19:40] instantly know in anyway I think 1947
[1:19:47] one here is one conference
[1:19:50] uh took place then Marmma Gandhi there
[1:19:54] so Tibetan delegation participated
[1:19:57] so among them you see uh one Tibetan
[1:20:01] scholar some Tibetan scholar should be
[1:20:04] included that kind sort of discussion uh
[1:20:07] happened. So the among old scholars
[1:20:13] he remember his birthplace
[1:20:17] uh
[1:20:18] Kino Kino area. So he speak Hindi
[1:20:22] meantime good scholar. So therefore he
[1:20:25] included the delegation.
[1:20:28] So later you see he become my
[1:20:32] I my my teacher. I received a lot of
[1:20:35] teaching from him or a transmission.
[1:20:39] So he one day he casually told
[1:20:42] me he was one of the member of that
[1:20:46] delegation. So in Delhi
[1:20:49] uh
[1:20:51] the Madma Gandhi Gi you see want uh to
[1:20:57] to want to see him to see him and he met
[1:21:03] and Madma Gandhi you see inquired some
[1:21:08] important was text about
[1:21:12] their study and he mentioned Lam This
[1:21:17] one he told me he mentioned additionara
[1:21:21] is he wrote one text that we consider
[1:21:25] top most important text short text
[1:21:28] which he told me like that. So I
[1:21:31] received all transmission from him.
[1:21:38] Wonderful monk.
[1:21:43] When I receive teaching from him, of
[1:21:46] course I offer tea, Tibetan tea. So he
[1:21:51] enjoy the tea and then some of butter
[1:21:56] he choose on my face.
[1:22:04] Oh, wonderful, wonderful teacher.
[1:22:09] I received I think all transmission from
[1:22:12] him. I think many thick books
[1:22:16] which very which very very rare my
[1:22:20] official two teachers didn't have that
[1:22:23] kind of or transmission. So I have
[1:22:27] received from him and then also Kunami
[1:22:33] basically non sectarian great teacher
[1:22:37] his own
[1:22:39] family background
[1:22:41] but then he received a lot of teaching
[1:22:43] from Nimma from Sajya from Gil wonderful
[1:22:53] so Well,
[1:22:58] this test
[1:23:01] [Music]
[1:23:04] because the king
[1:23:15] of the western part of
[1:23:18] the he requested to
[1:23:23] as he would like to have on short sort
[1:23:26] of writing
[1:23:28] and quite simple and mainly focusing on
[1:23:33] kazoda cultivation
[1:23:35] practice charge to the cultivation or
[1:23:39] without much sort of debate. No,
[1:23:42] unlike uh the
[1:23:46] Kamala
[1:23:49] the student of Shantaakita
[1:23:54] Shandraida come to I mean invited to
[1:23:56] Tibet and then passed away. Then his
[1:23:59] main uh student Kamal Shila also invited
[1:24:03] to Tibet
[1:24:05] uh 9th century. Uh he wrote three text
[1:24:12] of course he wrote I think at least two
[1:24:15] text in India.
[1:24:17] uh one madima philosophy one uh logic
[1:24:25] very very sort of difficult
[1:24:28] very sort of
[1:24:31] it's a classic text classic text so
[1:24:35] after he visited after he invited to
[1:24:37] Tibet then he wrote three text that also
[1:24:43] you see raised lot of questions and
[1:24:45] debate
[1:24:47] So there's nalinda type ninders all
[1:24:51] those masters of nalinda their sort of
[1:24:54] style is raise all the sort of questions
[1:24:58] opposing questions where
[1:24:59] no
[1:25:00] opposing questions
[1:25:02] questions uh then answer or debate.
[1:25:08] So the attic
[1:25:11] not that style but quite simple way
[1:25:15] mainly the audience mainly already the
[1:25:20] following Buddha Dharma.
[1:25:24] The other text among different sort of
[1:25:28] different views where people who have
[1:25:30] different views then she explained about
[1:25:34] Buddha Dharma. So a lot of discussions
[1:25:36] lot of raised questions and debate
[1:25:43] that
[1:25:46] I am not reading this just simply
[1:25:50] explains
[1:25:52] the holiness will not go through the
[1:25:53] text verse by verse as such as part of
[1:25:57] oral transmission but make explanation
[1:25:59] at the beginning you see he mentioned
[1:26:02] uh he categorized three levels.
[1:26:08] So he makes these three distinctions
[1:26:11] amongst the practitioners uh which are
[1:26:13] the beings with small scope or faculty
[1:26:16] and then middling and supreme faculties.
[1:26:18] Mhm.
[1:26:30] Nice. So this uh the the categorization
[1:26:33] of beings into these three types is not
[1:26:35] about um not taking into account the
[1:26:38] different philosophical uh traditions
[1:26:41] that they follow or uh anything like
[1:26:43] that but then uh it mainly focuses on
[1:26:46] what kind of u um disposition the
[1:26:50] practitioners have. H. So mainly those
[1:26:55] people who
[1:26:59] see get used some kind of importance
[1:27:04] right importance right now importance of
[1:27:07] uh this life and mainly the sources of
[1:27:13] uh sensorial level pleasure.
[1:27:19] So that's obstacle. the first level of
[1:27:22] obstacle. So we must
[1:27:25] reduce that kind of sort of strong
[1:27:27] feeling.
[1:27:29] Uh so
[1:27:32] not too much emphasis importance of
[1:27:36] sensorial levels of kazoda experiences
[1:27:40] but rather kazod mental level.
[1:27:46] So obviously sensor level all these
[1:27:50] facilities are just for this life.
[1:27:54] When death come no longer any use
[1:27:58] but certain sort of quality which
[1:28:01] develop on mental level that impact next
[1:28:06] life.
[1:28:08] So the first level try to reduce too
[1:28:12] much emphasis about this life because of
[1:28:15] the material values. I think we can say
[1:28:18] that.
[1:28:30] So
[1:28:32] we are on verse number four which says
[1:28:34] those who seek peace for themselves
[1:28:36] alone turning their back on worldly
[1:28:38] pleasures and avoiding destructive
[1:28:40] actions are said to be
[1:28:43] I'm sorry and verse number three uh know
[1:28:46] that those who by whatever means seek
[1:28:49] for themselves no more than the
[1:28:50] pleasures of cycling existence are
[1:28:52] persons of the least capacity.
[1:29:14] So um in one of his um visions of Lord
[1:29:19] Mjushri the Satya master Sachin Kungan
[1:29:22] Jingpo um received this teaching from
[1:29:25] Manushri where Mushri said to him if you
[1:29:29] are attached to this life, the pleasures
[1:29:31] of this life, then you are not a
[1:29:33] practitioner of the Buddha Dharma.
[1:29:45] And if you are attached to samsara, the
[1:29:49] cycle of existence, then you do not have
[1:29:52] renunciation.
[1:30:01] And if you are attached to selfish goals
[1:30:04] then you are not a practitioner of uh
[1:30:07] the bodhisatti path.
[1:30:12] And if you
[1:30:18] and then if you cling to objectivity of
[1:30:22] things and things have some kind of
[1:30:25] object objective existence then you are
[1:30:28] you have not realized the view of
[1:30:30] emptiness.
[1:30:47] forens.
[1:31:20] And so with regard to this uh verse that
[1:31:24] we read um what it is talking about is
[1:31:27] basically first of all we can make
[1:31:28] distinction between two types of beings
[1:31:31] um of small capacity. Um one type is
[1:31:35] those who are attached as I have
[1:31:38] explained already those those who are
[1:31:40] obsessed with the pleasures of this life
[1:31:42] alone and this is what we are not these
[1:31:46] type of persons or beings are not
[1:31:48] considered here but then uh what uh what
[1:31:52] uh the the uh this verse actually refers
[1:31:54] to are those who um are not attached to
[1:31:59] the pleasures of this life alone but who
[1:32:01] wish to have rich or uh to be reborn in
[1:32:05] a higher rebirth in the next life and
[1:32:08] then accordingly apply themselves in the
[1:32:10] practice of avoiding the negative
[1:32:12] actions and cultivating the positive
[1:32:14] actions. In other words, uh cultivating
[1:32:16] the 10 or or overcoming or avoiding 10
[1:32:20] nonverirtuous actions and and practicing
[1:32:23] the 10 virtuous actions. So such beings
[1:32:26] are being are referred to by this verse.
[1:32:30] Perhaps I think we can say they uh
[1:32:35] we
[1:32:36] want I mean person who want
[1:32:41] uh present our sort of the positive life
[1:32:46] all the facilities there uh uh and
[1:32:52] comparatively less sort of problem.
[1:32:56] So this kind of
[1:33:11] so by acknowledging the that the um the
[1:33:15] the excellent facilities and things that
[1:33:17] we experience in this life to be good
[1:33:20] and the positive things that we have in
[1:33:22] this life to be good and then um as uh
[1:33:26] aspiring to to have this kind of
[1:33:29] experience in the next life and and and
[1:33:32] accordingly you think of reaching or
[1:33:34] obtaining a higher rebirth.
[1:33:37] Uh so then this very life
[1:33:43] we can see some are quite miserable.
[1:33:47] Of course the many other factors there
[1:33:53] but main factor is one's own previous
[1:33:56] karma. Karma means action.
[1:34:00] So those people who in the past not only
[1:34:04] this life but past life also you see the
[1:34:07] some sort of negative activities harming
[1:34:10] other people. Now for example killing or
[1:34:14] stealing
[1:34:15] uh sexual misconduct or or
[1:34:19] rape rape
[1:34:20] and then telling lies all these result
[1:34:25] this even human life some kind of
[1:34:29] problems you see happen. Therefore now
[1:34:34] in order to have next life the proper
[1:34:39] human beings are born proper because of
[1:34:43] the human society that we must cultivate
[1:34:47] cultivate so the causes of that result
[1:34:52] and we must avoid
[1:34:54] the causes which we we born and
[1:34:59] difficult lives even born in among human
[1:35:02] being still difficult lives. So mainly
[1:35:06] focusing
[1:35:08] quite sort of quite satisfactory
[1:35:12] human life or worldly life
[1:35:15] uh then similar sort of continuously in
[1:35:19] next life also using this kind of sort
[1:35:21] of day quite okay life.
[1:35:26] So now method
[1:35:28] 10 non virtuous
[1:35:33] to to avoid doing the 10 non virtuous
[1:35:36] actions restrain committing non 10
[1:35:40] virtues
[1:35:41] and simply
[1:35:44] restrain or not committing non 10
[1:35:48] virtues is the virtu 10 virtues
[1:35:55] So restraining yourself uh from
[1:35:57] committing the uh 10 or refraining from
[1:36:00] the 10 non-verirtuous actions itself um
[1:36:03] is the the practice of the 10 virtuous
[1:36:06] actions.
[1:36:19] The second level.
[1:36:23] Now the second level analyze
[1:36:27] whether
[1:36:28] this level our mind which easily
[1:36:34] manipulate by uh negative emotion.
[1:36:39] Even though we want be nice person but
[1:36:42] anger comes or suspicion comes then that
[1:36:47] you see the mind immediately
[1:36:52] disturbed disturbed.
[1:36:55] Uh so we realized that and then now
[1:37:00] target is the
[1:37:04] calles collious
[1:37:07] is the real enemy.
[1:37:10] Uh we must I must not allow the control
[1:37:16] of Galatia to control me. No
[1:37:20] that's now second level.
[1:37:23] So all these life which ultimately
[1:37:28] not on our control in our control but
[1:37:32] due to our negative action negative
[1:37:35] action also is to come through the
[1:37:38] negative emotion negative emotion come
[1:37:42] from ignorance.
[1:37:44] So in order to control all these we have
[1:37:48] to eliminate the kazodg ignorance. The
[1:37:53] ignorance also there are different
[1:37:54] levels in order to kazod eliminate those
[1:38:00] kazod deepest kazod
[1:38:04] those those ingredients which causing
[1:38:08] our samsara samsaric rebirth. Now that
[1:38:13] uh that's aim you should try to
[1:38:16] eliminate that sort of the ignorance
[1:38:20] then once that ignorance eliminate then
[1:38:23] automatically all destructive emotion no
[1:38:27] longer develop.
[1:38:29] So that actually we call nirvana moxa.
[1:38:34] Moxa means liberation
[1:38:37] from where you liberate from klesh where
[1:38:41] klesh the in order to liberate klesh or
[1:38:45] in order to eliminate klesh the we must
[1:38:48] know the sources of basis of all these
[1:38:52] destructive emotion that's ignorance.
[1:38:56] Ignorance there are many different level
[1:38:57] of ignorance. So that I can come up
[1:39:00] later.
[1:39:03] So in order to eliminate
[1:39:06] ignorance the real sort of antidote of
[1:39:09] ignorance is wisdom. Wisdom which
[1:39:12] understand.
[1:39:15] Uh so now Buddhists you see the uh the
[1:39:18] atma
[1:39:20] the
[1:39:22] the sort of kazod of course those people
[1:39:26] is who practices atma for meditation
[1:39:30] atma and event
[1:39:34] rituals based on atma okay that's their
[1:39:37] own sort of way of tradition uh then
[1:39:40] from Buddhist viewpoint from Buddhist
[1:39:42] Buddhist practitioner
[1:39:44] uh then I uh by natural by naturally we
[1:39:51] have some kind of the feeling of I.
[1:39:56] So we never feel this body now for
[1:40:00] example my own sort of body with white
[1:40:04] hair because of white white hair white
[1:40:06] hair and also some white hair here. I
[1:40:10] never thought when I born these white
[1:40:14] hair already there. You never feel that
[1:40:17] isn't it? So this body uh actually at at
[1:40:23] the time of birth this body of of course
[1:40:27] the original continuation of this body
[1:40:30] there but we never fail this old body at
[1:40:33] that time. Therefore we say now old body
[1:40:36] or young body child body like that but
[1:40:40] all this child body old body the young
[1:40:44] body all these belongs to I
[1:40:49] when I was young
[1:40:51] when I was in mother's womb I still
[1:40:54] there
[1:40:56] so we not feel
[1:40:59] different eyes same eye
[1:41:03] so there is some kind of tendency.
[1:41:06] Physical mind
[1:41:08] uh is the possess possessor possess.
[1:41:13] No
[1:41:14] and the owner of possessor is I
[1:41:19] I was young young body.
[1:41:22] uh I was at uneducated young young child
[1:41:28] then education the my mind changed but
[1:41:33] same I
[1:41:35] so there is that kind of tendency of I
[1:41:39] is more or less permanent
[1:41:43] body and mind changing
[1:41:46] so that's natural feeling so that's
[1:42:01] And so we have this uh innate sort of
[1:42:04] sense of eye um which is kind of seen as
[1:42:09] if it's like a ruler or of our body and
[1:42:12] mind.
[1:42:16] So even Buddhism who denying the
[1:42:20] independent eye self but still you see
[1:42:24] there is lot of debate and different
[1:42:28] views the the connection.
[1:42:37] So there are questions raised in the
[1:42:39] classic text um where it's they say that
[1:42:43] what is it that connects one from the
[1:42:46] past to the present and present to the
[1:42:49] future. Obviously at the time of death
[1:42:53] uh this body no longer no continuation
[1:42:57] and mind which come from this body or
[1:43:01] the brain that also cease. So then what
[1:43:04] else you see is connected with next
[1:43:07] life.
[1:43:09] Uh unless you see you develop the deeper
[1:43:14] understanding
[1:43:15] self is mere designation designated sort
[1:43:20] of phenomena
[1:43:22] based on body and mind and body and mind
[1:43:27] also grosser level of body and mind.
[1:43:30] subtle level body and mind and most
[1:43:33] subtle level of body and mind. Unless we
[1:43:37] understand we get some sort of
[1:43:39] understanding right some knowledge about
[1:43:41] these difficult
[1:43:44] the connection previous life this life
[1:43:46] from this life next life
[1:43:50] uh so uh so non Buddhist
[1:43:55] uh particularly those you see who accept
[1:43:57] previous life and next life is a
[1:44:00] connection from previous life this life
[1:44:03] this life to next life Atma
[1:44:07] doesn't matter this body and mind change
[1:44:11] but same atma.
[1:44:14] So therefore atma is permanent
[1:44:18] never changing
[1:44:21] and essentially separate from this body
[1:44:24] and mind
[1:44:25] then difficulties
[1:44:28] if you atma is completely separate from
[1:44:30] this body
[1:44:32] then even I think obviously we can't
[1:44:35] make distinction male and female atma is
[1:44:39] independent
[1:44:41] male and female based on physical
[1:44:44] So no connection. Male atma, female atma
[1:44:47] cannot say, young atma, old atma, sick
[1:44:51] atma, uneducated atma cannot say because
[1:44:55] you see the mind and body completely se
[1:44:59] atma is completely separate from body
[1:45:01] and mind.
[1:45:03] So we have to sort of obviously there's
[1:45:06] close connection self and uh self sort
[1:45:12] of body and mind.
[1:45:16] Then within the Buddhist school of
[1:45:18] thought they uh I think mainly chidantra
[1:45:23] you see except
[1:45:27] so chitt matras except the eighth
[1:45:30] consciousness which is called allaya
[1:45:32] vijana
[1:45:34] self. So uh the eighth consciousness
[1:45:37] according to Chittamatra is called
[1:45:39] allaya vijana or I think it's called
[1:45:41] foundational consciousness. So eight
[1:45:45] minds usually six minds the chitt mantra
[1:45:49] eight minds
[1:45:51] uh so because you see they want to
[1:45:56] pinpoint something which carry from
[1:46:00] previous life this life next life.
[1:46:03] So there are a lot of and then also
[1:46:05] imprints where imprints remain
[1:46:11] this body and this mind at the time of
[1:46:14] death no longer there. So where imprints
[1:46:18] remain.
[1:46:21] So here is a continuation of mind. Mind
[1:46:25] also is a grosser level of mind and
[1:46:27] subtle level of mind and very subtle
[1:46:29] level of mind.
[1:46:31] When brain stop, brain s blood
[1:46:34] circulation stop, brain dead, then those
[1:46:38] mind which based on brain brain cells
[1:46:42] then no longer function. So stop.
[1:46:47] So more subtle than that.
[1:46:52] So at the time of death eight stages of
[1:46:57] dissolution
[1:47:01] of the
[1:47:04] cross solid means earth means solid
[1:47:08] solid
[1:47:09] uh liquid liquid
[1:47:12] heat air space
[1:47:17] go like that and space
[1:47:20] or consciousness and then space. Here
[1:47:23] two space external space internal space.
[1:47:26] Internal space is very very subtle level
[1:47:30] of consciousness.
[1:47:32] All the grosser level of consciousness
[1:47:34] completely cease.
[1:47:37] Then subtle level inner most of subtle
[1:47:39] level still remain within their four
[1:47:42] stages.
[1:47:46] So these I think uh satisfactory
[1:47:50] explanation come from Buhana tantra
[1:47:54] tantric s text
[1:47:58] and as I mentioned earlier some some
[1:48:01] some people have actually experienced
[1:48:04] these uh so the stages of dissociation
[1:48:10] like that
[1:48:12] some even Today some my friend you see
[1:48:16] who practice seriously last 30 40 years
[1:48:20] you see they have the experience is a
[1:48:23] dissolution of these different minds.
[1:48:27] Uh
[1:48:32] so now uh if you unless you see you
[1:48:36] found what is the understandable
[1:48:40] because of the concept
[1:48:43] the the basis of the imprints
[1:48:47] uh and also continuation
[1:48:50] uh at the same time close connected with
[1:48:53] this body and mind.
[1:48:56] uh unless you see you find that kind of
[1:48:58] sort of thorough understanding or
[1:49:00] explanation you see uh difficult once
[1:49:04] you deny existence of atma
[1:49:08] uh and then this
[1:49:13] so while you may be able to um deny the
[1:49:17] existence of an atma search but then if
[1:49:19] you don't understand these subtle levels
[1:49:21] of mind and the which happens during the
[1:49:24] dissolution processes and
[1:49:26] going down for that list
[1:49:28] one then you will not be able to deep
[1:49:31] bring up a good understanding position
[1:49:34] to say what connects us from the past
[1:49:37] what has connected us from the past to
[1:49:39] this life and from this to the next life
[1:49:42] I don't understand your attitude yes
[1:49:46] like that no that's why I don't know
[1:49:53] so break tea break tea break.
[1:50:00] So then after tea tea break I would like
[1:50:04] to take some questions
[1:50:07] even some just I I would like to
[1:50:09] discuss.
[1:50:12] Yes. Uh if you have a question if you
[1:50:14] could raise your hand and we will rush a
[1:50:18] microphone to you.
[1:50:23] What have you
[1:50:25] sir?
[1:50:28] Your holiness, I had a few questions
[1:50:31] arising from the Atisha's lamp for the
[1:50:35] path to enlightenment. Uh first of all,
[1:50:38] uh I have been a civil servant and I
[1:50:42] would of course like to aspire to a path
[1:50:45] of enlightenment. But the way to get
[1:50:48] there that are being described, is it
[1:50:51] possible? My question to you is, is it
[1:50:53] possible for a civil servant? Uh because
[1:50:59] I don't mean it from the manner in which
[1:51:00] the others are laughing, but until I
[1:51:03] attain enlightenment, I shall not harbor
[1:51:06] harmful thoughts which have been
[1:51:08] described with anger, avarice, or envy.
[1:51:12] Now I find that what has motivated me
[1:51:15] best as a civil servant is that I when I
[1:51:18] see injustice it arouses anger and if it
[1:51:22] if it does not arouse anger I really
[1:51:25] don't know how I would have acted but in
[1:51:28] the if if I have had a limited success
[1:51:31] in the service it is because my anger
[1:51:33] has been aroused and therefore I have
[1:51:35] taken what action I felt was necessary.
[1:51:39] Uh also it says that those observing
[1:51:43] pure conduct should not take the secret
[1:51:46] and wis and wisdom initiations. Now what
[1:51:50] are the secret and wisdom initiations?
[1:51:53] Uh, of course I have been chief
[1:51:54] information commissioner and therefore I
[1:51:56] would like like all information to be
[1:51:59] made public but uh but setting that
[1:52:02] aside what are the secret and wisdom
[1:52:05] initiations which it is it is require it
[1:52:08] is required because should not take the
[1:52:11] secret and wisdom in initiations. And
[1:52:14] finally if I may ask this question that
[1:52:18] since this is based on the on the uh on
[1:52:21] the bodhic satwa the teachings of bodhic
[1:52:23] satwa I'm not very clear I have attended
[1:52:27] many of your sessions your holiness but
[1:52:29] I'm not very clear on the exact
[1:52:31] definition of the bodhic satwas
[1:52:34] bodhicattvas vow which is described in
[1:52:38] this presentation. Thank you.
[1:52:49] First question.
[1:53:07] This one.
[1:53:20] Then I let us
[1:53:22] discuss about the first question.
[1:53:25] Uh
[1:53:29] uh
[1:53:31] the precepts uh minor precepts of
[1:53:35] Buddhist. Wow.
[1:53:37] the 46 minor precepts.
[1:53:42] Uh one of them is uh a circumstance is
[1:53:46] such you need some harsh method to stop
[1:53:51] that wrongdoing. If you do not do that,
[1:53:55] if you do not carry that is one
[1:54:01] as one of the secondary
[1:54:04] infractions of the vows. So it is wrong.
[1:54:08] You must act
[1:54:15] more more forcefully to stop that.
[1:54:21] So
[1:54:22] everything depend on motivation.
[1:54:26] I think obviously
[1:54:28] the good parent, good mother
[1:54:32] if the child really say you see running
[1:54:37] a dangerous place then father or mother
[1:54:40] shouting if necessary beat
[1:54:44] motivation is
[1:54:48] the out of sense of genuine care of the
[1:54:51] child.
[1:54:53] Uh so that
[1:54:58] harsh or harsh method is actually
[1:55:01] nonviolence
[1:55:03] then I think you personally also may
[1:55:06] have some experience some people
[1:55:09] uh try to cheating you uh and you see
[1:55:14] the very nice words and smile and
[1:55:18] respect uh and sometimes some gift
[1:55:22] The sort of the the action nonviolence
[1:55:28] because of the motivation is you see
[1:55:30] negative therefore violence.
[1:55:34] Clear?
[1:55:37] So sometimes my tutor
[1:55:40] when I little bit sort of negative about
[1:55:43] my study my teacher used to look so oh
[1:55:47] what happened here today that kind of
[1:55:49] thing.
[1:55:51] If uh I remember very clearly one time
[1:55:54] my teacher you see uh warned me if you
[1:55:59] carry study very
[1:56:03] easy way like this continuously then the
[1:56:08] final examination how can you carry
[1:56:11] final examination
[1:56:15] really see little bit of the negative
[1:56:17] face and harsh word these are completely
[1:56:22] out of sense of care, sense of concern.
[1:56:26] So very positive.
[1:56:28] Now anger
[1:56:31] depend on motivation.
[1:56:34] This kind of immediately little bit
[1:56:37] anger but out of sense of concern, out
[1:56:40] of compassion is positive anger.
[1:56:45] Uh
[1:56:47] and you simply hate it. out of hatred
[1:56:51] anger is negative.
[1:56:55] Uh
[1:56:58] so therefore
[1:56:59] via level mainly self-interest
[1:57:05] self-interest.
[1:57:08] So there out of 253 precepts many
[1:57:18] prohibit you to do
[1:57:19] prohibit
[1:57:21] but then Buddhist level
[1:57:24] mainly concern of wellbe of others
[1:57:28] then if circumstances is such you need
[1:57:30] some harsh method even telling lies
[1:57:35] even highly necessary even killing
[1:57:38] violence
[1:57:40] in order to save off interest for larger
[1:57:43] sort of community and the long run
[1:57:45] benefit than for example Buddha's own
[1:57:49] previous life story
[1:57:53] he was one of the merchants
[1:57:56] no
[1:57:58] merchants merchants about 500
[1:58:04] so among them one person who constantly
[1:58:07] s planning to kill rest of 499
[1:58:12] sort of people and all the belongs owned
[1:58:16] by him.
[1:58:18] Then the leader warned him should not do
[1:58:21] that one time, four time, three time,
[1:58:25] four times but he didn't stop. Then
[1:58:28] finally
[1:58:30] that leader which one of the previous
[1:58:33] life of the Buddha Shajamuni then he
[1:58:36] felt
[1:58:38] if I so restrain killing this person
[1:58:44] uh uh then he going to commit sin of 499
[1:58:52] person kill
[1:58:54] and he himself
[1:58:56] have to sort of face negative
[1:58:59] consequences from that sin. So then he
[1:59:05] killed one person
[1:59:08] uh they save that person's commitment
[1:59:13] commitment
[1:59:14] 499 persons killing stop cease he
[1:59:19] himself sin killing one person but save
[1:59:24] life of 499 person then he choose this
[1:59:28] negative action killing
[1:59:30] so it become Right.
[1:59:34] So like that. So the uh
[1:59:40] many sort of
[1:59:42] prohibit or objection
[1:59:45] for now for example gold vaya sutra you
[1:59:50] should not touch gold
[1:59:54] and out of buddha
[1:59:57] precepts
[1:59:59] if there is circumstances that someone
[2:00:02] offer you gold and if according V sutra
[2:00:06] you see you you don't touch then that
[2:00:09] person disappoint if there is such
[2:00:11] danger is there you should touch you
[2:00:13] should accept
[2:00:15] so all these sort of practice depend on
[2:00:19] the circum action or circumstances
[2:00:23] and
[2:00:28] you have to weigh the pros and cons like
[2:00:31] that. Second question.
[2:00:51] basically
[2:00:56] the very name is gui secret.
[2:01:00] So that means you see such practice
[2:01:04] ordinary people cannot practice
[2:01:06] properly.
[2:01:08] So better to keep secrecy
[2:01:12] in ancient time in Nalinda in India.
[2:01:17] Those massity
[2:01:21] the initiation all these just one
[2:01:24] individual
[2:01:27] you see watch both sides the disciple
[2:01:31] site watch the teacher guru whether this
[2:01:34] is truly reliable truly qualified or not
[2:01:38] the guru site also is watching the
[2:01:42] supposed becoming disciple
[2:01:45] if necessary 12 years examined,
[2:01:48] watching, spying each other.
[2:01:52] One's truly reliable
[2:01:55] and then some of these teachings give
[2:01:59] individually.
[2:02:02] I think we Tibetan I think font
[2:02:05] tantriana. So we give teaching tantriana
[2:02:09] thousands people without knowing each
[2:02:12] other.
[2:02:15] So that I think
[2:02:19] I remember
[2:02:21] professor Jushi
[2:02:23] of Patira University or something.
[2:02:27] Now he no longer he wrote one book and
[2:02:30] he himself. So while he alive he give me
[2:02:33] that copy of that book. It mentioned the
[2:02:38] causes of degenerate Buddha Dharma in
[2:02:41] this country.
[2:02:43] Number one monk
[2:02:46] uh fond
[2:02:49] material values and carry some business.
[2:02:53] So people gradually lose respect.
[2:02:58] Some monk after they after the death or
[2:03:02] lot of goals a lot of good things
[2:03:05] expensive things there. So you see
[2:03:07] people you see lose respect. Uh number
[2:03:11] one. Uh second
[2:03:14] uh
[2:03:16] the tantal practice
[2:03:20] uh
[2:03:22] without the proper sort of qualification
[2:03:26] or now for example sex
[2:03:29] the proper sort of sex sexual sort of I
[2:03:33] say contact
[2:03:34] the person should have full sort of I
[2:03:38] mean experience of full control about
[2:03:41] movement of
[2:03:43] kalini
[2:03:45] like that. So in order to practice that
[2:03:49] in order to in order to examine that or
[2:03:53] in order to test that
[2:03:56] one good teacher now he also passed
[2:03:59] away. You see about I think 30 years ago
[2:04:03] uh I have some discussion you see he or
[2:04:08] good monk he mentioned
[2:04:11] you know the
[2:04:14] milk
[2:04:16] in in a pot then your thing you see
[2:04:21] sucking milk
[2:04:24] from there
[2:04:26] so that's the experiment
[2:04:29] How much you have the ability to
[2:04:31] control?
[2:04:35] So the semen or kundalini
[2:04:39] come
[2:04:40] but then control go back
[2:04:46] come go come go go go back come go go go
[2:04:48] back that's a real practice. So through
[2:04:52] that way the grosser level of mind
[2:04:56] dissolve become
[2:04:59] inactive
[2:05:00] because the kalini movement
[2:05:05] you see uh some bliss
[2:05:10] bliss
[2:05:11] you see
[2:05:14] no trigger
[2:05:15] trigger
[2:05:15] no
[2:05:16] the grosser level of mind
[2:05:18] to sub
[2:05:19] neutralize so that's the Okay.
[2:05:24] So one time one one monk oh no not monk
[2:05:30] one sort of uh lay person overseer
[2:05:35] I casually I mean he wife he he have
[2:05:38] wife. I casually asked you have
[2:05:41] children. Then he answered me no
[2:05:45] possible of children because all sort of
[2:05:49] the movement of this the
[2:05:53] energies
[2:05:54] energies or the the semen
[2:05:56] semen
[2:05:57] never come out always stop and go back.
[2:06:01] So no possibility produce child. So
[2:06:05] that's the problem
[2:06:09] some of the even high lama
[2:06:12] a lot of children I don't know
[2:06:21] like that so therefore at that time some
[2:06:26] Tibetan
[2:06:28] actually you see practice
[2:06:30] this thing the secret thing without
[2:06:35] proper sort of preparation or without
[2:06:37] checking their own ability. So theisha
[2:06:44] reject should not do that like that.
[2:06:49] The third question.
[2:06:57] Oh that
[2:06:59] actually such tantic practice
[2:07:02] is involve the breathing control
[2:07:06] breathing
[2:07:08] and also the kundalini chandalini these
[2:07:12] are common Hindu tantriana and Buddhist
[2:07:15] tantriana common.
[2:07:18] So differences makes the understanding
[2:07:22] of anatma, understanding of shiny,
[2:07:27] the Hindu tantana. You see these
[2:07:29] practice com combined with the concept
[2:07:33] of atma here atma
[2:07:38] and then bhjitta. So that makes
[2:07:41] differences but the uh yoga practice
[2:07:46] itself not much differences
[2:07:52] and poor
[2:07:53] and then there is also the practice of
[2:07:56] what is known as transferring or
[2:07:57] ejecting one's mind consciousness from
[2:07:59] out of the body
[2:08:01] through meditation you see your mind
[2:08:04] also
[2:08:04] separate from this body
[2:08:07] uh it actually is a few cases is in
[2:08:10] Tibet when it is some practitioner, some
[2:08:13] llama
[2:08:15] or carried by uh
[2:08:19] liber Chinese army, Chinese police in
[2:08:23] order to bring confession or st class
[2:08:27] struggles
[2:08:28] which is some on the road
[2:08:32] sitting and then hit like that then
[2:08:36] passed away.
[2:08:38] It happened
[2:08:41] in the past also is the one dread lama
[2:08:45] you see he got some kind of kazota
[2:08:49] accusation accusation of criminal
[2:08:53] so he brought to uh kazod I think they
[2:08:57] to the execution placeh
[2:09:02] came to some kazoda the court
[2:09:06] some question on the told he told you
[2:09:09] see those people who bringing him
[2:09:13] he told let me sit
[2:09:19] what happened rest and on a rock he sit
[2:09:25] then the practice you see that
[2:09:27] separation of this body and mind then
[2:09:29] die
[2:09:34] so these practice also
[2:09:37] uh non Buddhist tantra practice and
[2:09:40] Buddhist
[2:09:41] Buddhist tant
[2:09:44] practice.
[2:09:46] So that's why you see this mu uh
[2:09:48] recently my supposed to my visit to
[2:09:51] Kumba Makumba I sent a message I would
[2:09:54] like to meet some of the experienced
[2:09:58] meditator
[2:10:00] I'm quite sure I'm very very eager those
[2:10:03] sadus who spent at least a few months or
[2:10:06] few years in mountain area completely
[2:10:10] naked
[2:10:12] so they must have sort of experience
[2:10:14] about practice of central Centalini in a
[2:10:17] heat otherwise how can survive
[2:10:21] completely naked
[2:10:24] looks a little bit strange go like that
[2:10:29] but actually this is really
[2:10:32] one time in in Delhi one kasad
[2:10:38] Jane
[2:10:39] Jane temple
[2:10:40] I think kasakumar kasa
[2:10:44] one one
[2:10:45] jane master Sushid Kumar or something I
[2:10:48] I don't you know
[2:10:49] Sushi Kumar Sushimi
[2:10:51] uh after he passed away uh for his sort
[2:10:54] of memory some sort of construction of
[2:10:57] one temple in the open ceremony there
[2:11:00] one jail practitioner jail Jane master
[2:11:03] there completely naked
[2:11:07] uh
[2:11:10] so I just used to sit next to him I
[2:11:14] really is a develop admiration.
[2:11:18] He don't care about appearances.
[2:11:21] Uh he firmly committed about his own
[2:11:23] practice complete naked.
[2:11:27] So I sit next to him. I used to touch my
[2:11:32] head for his
[2:11:34] knee.
[2:11:34] Oh knee.
[2:11:37] I really I didn't notice his sort of
[2:11:39] instrument.
[2:11:43] Then
[2:11:47] then afterward
[2:11:49] my lesson officer no
[2:11:52] see we always joking teasing and I asked
[2:11:56] him have you seen that secret organ? He
[2:11:59] say yes. Yes.
[2:12:08] So such was a practitioner. I think very
[2:12:10] serious these are not pretended really
[2:12:14] serious. So I sent a message to the
[2:12:17] organizer in Ma
[2:12:21] place. uh I would like to to meet some
[2:12:25] of these practitioner and then my visit
[2:12:28] could not material as I mentioned
[2:12:30] before.
[2:12:33] So we really I I very very eager you see
[2:12:38] to sit sit down with such practitioner
[2:12:42] and discuss exchange our experiences
[2:12:46] that's very very helpful very helpful
[2:12:51] so any of you some connection
[2:12:55] knowing some of such practitioner then
[2:12:57] let me know I really
[2:13:00] serious
[2:13:02] discuss and exchange our experiences.
[2:13:07] Then eventually I think very important
[2:13:10] to let carry experiment by scientist as
[2:13:15] I mentioned. Oh no not no not not and
[2:13:18] this morning with student I mentioned
[2:13:22] this is some practitioner
[2:13:25] after death their body remain fresh
[2:13:30] including my own senior tutor next 13
[2:13:34] days his body remain fresh
[2:13:38] and such
[2:13:41] such case you see there are I think at
[2:13:43] least as far as we noticed I think last
[2:13:47] over 50 years I think at least 30 of
[2:13:51] them happen after death bodies remain
[2:13:54] very fresh some cases even four weeks
[2:13:57] remain
[2:14:00] so as a result of discussion or mention
[2:14:03] these things with some scientist so some
[2:14:06] scientist really you see showing
[2:14:09] interest now already you see carries
[2:14:13] because of the set of one sort of
[2:14:14] project
[2:14:16] uh to carry investigate
[2:14:18] such of a person.
[2:14:22] So one uh very senior sort of lama the
[2:14:28] actually head of yellowhead sect from
[2:14:32] ordinary sort of monk then kasoda
[2:14:35] gradually become head of yellow head
[2:14:38] sect.
[2:14:40] uh he I think 18 days remain body fresh
[2:14:45] 18 days.
[2:14:48] So one of his disciple his student one I
[2:14:52] think American or English
[2:14:55] he clearly recorded
[2:14:58] day by day what happened. So the local
[2:15:01] doctors also you see investigate and
[2:15:04] then uh we already have some equipment
[2:15:07] to examine such dead body.
[2:15:11] So so some wire is put on head. So some
[2:15:16] indication extraordinary indication is
[2:15:19] happen
[2:15:20] clinically dead but some movement in the
[2:15:24] brain breathing no breathing no blood
[2:15:27] circulation.
[2:15:29] So the scientist uh see really that's
[2:15:32] what
[2:15:34] showing wandering r
[2:15:36] they they show interest
[2:15:38] huh
[2:15:38] show interest
[2:15:39] show interest
[2:15:41] now the problem uh in in the past some
[2:15:45] cases when such sort of event happened
[2:15:49] equipment or the person who handled this
[2:15:52] equipment not available
[2:15:55] then the person and mater the equipment
[2:15:58] and person available uh not that kind of
[2:16:02] sort of death happen and meantime I
[2:16:05] cannot request please you die in order
[2:16:08] in order to carry our investigation also
[2:16:12] it's not very sure I request if die not
[2:16:17] happen that then disaster
[2:16:22] so just we we have to wait so now recent
[2:16:25] years you see that equipment and one
[2:16:28] trained person. Now Dharma permanently
[2:16:30] remained there. Uh so last week one old
[2:16:34] monk
[2:16:36] very weak body usually weak body after
[2:16:39] death very rare that kind of meditation
[2:16:43] but this I think over 80 years quite
[2:16:45] weak but 5 days his body remain fresh
[2:16:52] so so I'm I'm wondering I think among
[2:16:55] Indians
[2:16:57] among Hindu practitioner I think such
[2:17:00] such experience should should happen
[2:17:02] should happen but usually see we do not
[2:17:05] take much of interest or notice
[2:17:09] and also they
[2:17:12] cases express your past life
[2:17:16] in 1970 I think 70s I met uh two girls
[2:17:22] one from Karala
[2:17:25] one from Kbul Kbul about four years old
[2:17:30] but they are about six years old very
[2:17:33] clearly mention about memory about past
[2:17:36] life and the name of their past parent
[2:17:40] and their home their friends like that
[2:17:46] among Tibetan also is some such things
[2:17:50] which happen so these are the phenomena
[2:17:55] uh to those scientist more open-minded
[2:18:00] The scientist who looks objectively
[2:18:03] they said they also showing interest the
[2:18:06] further investigation.
[2:18:09] So now next question
[2:18:24] not working.
[2:18:25] Not working.
[2:18:34] I just want to ask
[2:18:37] how important are rituals to to progress
[2:18:40] on the spiritual path.
[2:18:44] ritual
[2:18:46] it depend the performer
[2:18:51] the person who carried ritual
[2:18:54] if truly experienced
[2:19:00] and one time I think most probably
[2:19:03] Miller Rabba a well-known sort of was
[2:19:07] the practitioner
[2:19:09] you see sometimes he uh you in order to
[2:19:12] show other people this is his sort of
[2:19:15] the energy.
[2:19:17] So he concentrate rock
[2:19:21] solid rock and the rock break
[2:19:26] through sheer sort of meditation
[2:19:32] and then sometimes
[2:19:36] you see some my friend you see fully
[2:19:39] concentrate I think one Russian
[2:19:40] scientist also I think I think some sort
[2:19:43] of experiment
[2:19:46] fully Concentrate.
[2:19:49] Actually the purpose of shamata is
[2:19:53] mobilize energy of mind.
[2:19:56] Usually our mind is scattered. So you
[2:19:59] see cannot like water scattered not much
[2:20:03] force in order to use for
[2:20:07] producing producing energy
[2:20:09] uh produce energy. You see water must
[2:20:13] channelize generalize then more force.
[2:20:16] So similarly our mind through med
[2:20:20] through meditation or shamadha
[2:20:22] generalize
[2:20:24] then concentrate on particular sort of
[2:20:27] object and fully then some effect
[2:20:31] usually happen.
[2:20:33] Of course I have no such experience.
[2:20:37] I wish such experience but no not yet.
[2:20:43] So it's a concentrate concent
[2:20:45] concentration power you see object can
[2:20:48] move
[2:20:51] like that.
[2:20:55] So, so ritual
[2:20:58] person who really qualified firstly
[2:21:01] himself or herself should have some
[2:21:04] experience
[2:21:06] then carry ritual some effect there
[2:21:12] but just read the text and with
[2:21:15] instrument
[2:21:18] instrument made by gold
[2:21:22] not much effect real effect here like
[2:21:26] that. So I think for your question
[2:21:30] answer for your question is both yes and
[2:21:32] no. Yes means qualified one carry that
[2:21:36] yes usually without quality without real
[2:21:41] quality just to carry as a sort of
[2:21:44] custom custom or culture
[2:21:54] on then
[2:21:57] I think this one German German
[2:22:03] Take take your mic please.
[2:22:06] Yes.
[2:22:07] Your holiness from keep death. Give
[2:22:10] death.
[2:22:11] Just wait a minute. Yes.
[2:22:13] Then then okay. Yes.
[2:22:16] Your holiness. I was listening to you
[2:22:18] very carefully about atma and anatma and
[2:22:22] I can't work it out because if you die
[2:22:25] and there's no atma then what is it that
[2:22:27] remains that what is it that goes on?
[2:22:32] Buddhist
[2:22:36] explanation is
[2:22:39] the I is designated
[2:22:44] on the combination of body and mind.
[2:22:49] Body and mind also gross a level, subtle
[2:22:53] level, very very subtle level.
[2:22:57] So the very very subtle level very
[2:23:02] subtle body and subtle mind always
[2:23:06] together combined that's the basis of
[2:23:10] designation of self.
[2:23:13] So that combined subtle body subtle mind
[2:23:18] no beginning no end.
[2:23:22] So designation of the eye on that no
[2:23:25] beginning no end
[2:23:30] clear.
[2:23:31] So the basis of imprint
[2:23:36] or is that subtle mind
[2:23:41] as I'm as we already discussed at the at
[2:23:44] the at at the death at the time of death
[2:23:48] ga level of body and speech and mind
[2:23:52] dissolve
[2:23:54] subtle level also dissolve then in the
[2:23:58] most of subtle level during after death
[2:24:01] Still body remain fresh because subtle
[2:24:04] mind and subtle body remain within the
[2:24:07] body. As soon as that subtle body body
[2:24:10] and mind separate from this body then
[2:24:12] body decay immediately
[2:24:18] quite mysterious is it
[2:24:22] I think we everybody you see have some
[2:24:24] sort of the knowledge that some interest
[2:24:27] keep then at the time of death then we
[2:24:29] have to carefully watch real experience
[2:24:36] maybe too eight
[2:24:42] I feel like that in my daily sort of
[2:24:45] practice yoga practice the eight stage
[2:24:49] of dissolution
[2:24:51] uh I think five times I always do
[2:24:54] suppose the preparation when actual
[2:24:57] death come so whether succeed or not I
[2:24:59] don't know
[2:25:00] [Laughter]
[2:25:05] so experiment as a experiment
[2:25:09] time of sleep.
[2:25:13] Uh again you see you should have some
[2:25:16] sort of some sort of fuller knowledge
[2:25:20] the stage of dissolution dissolution
[2:25:23] what resolution process
[2:25:25] dissolution process
[2:25:28] some knowledge then
[2:25:31] uh at the time of sleeping sleep
[2:25:37] you you fully alert your mind I must
[2:25:42] recognize ize the stages of these
[2:25:45] resolutions. Too much alert then destroy
[2:25:50] sleep. So you need
[2:25:54] a balanced awareness
[2:25:56] very cleverly clever way then there is
[2:26:00] possibility
[2:26:02] first step second step of dissolution
[2:26:05] possible but possible to recognize then
[2:26:09] for third fourth fifth difficult
[2:26:13] unless you have some sort of deeper
[2:26:16] experience
[2:26:18] that that only
[2:26:21] Dream time.
[2:26:24] Remember this practice. Uh dream time.
[2:26:27] Firstly realize now I'm dreaming. I am
[2:26:31] state of dreaming.
[2:26:33] Then deliberately
[2:26:36] meditate certain sort of place of chakra
[2:26:40] mainly here.
[2:26:43] Then there's a possibility dissolution
[2:26:46] in
[2:26:48] while you are dreaming because of the
[2:26:51] concentration koda uh deliberately
[2:26:56] that also possible.
[2:26:59] So then much easier to realize these
[2:27:04] different stages of dissolution
[2:27:09] but not easy take time. You need you
[2:27:12] need first sort of step you need to try
[2:27:14] to remember or remember remember
[2:27:19] to be aware of become aware of become
[2:27:22] aware at the dream time now I'm dreaming
[2:27:30] so once you realize dream time now I'm
[2:27:34] dreaming I'm in the state of dream then
[2:27:39] you can control dream
[2:27:43] and one my official
[2:27:47] monk official very honest I think no no
[2:27:51] point to tell lie to me he mentioned his
[2:27:54] mother
[2:27:56] I think that 19 I think 194 1950s
[2:28:00] his mother you see one day told him now
[2:28:06] I'm going to sleep long period
[2:28:10] So during that sleep you don't disturb
[2:28:13] my body. Mother told then next one week
[2:28:18] looks mother sleep. After one week,
[2:28:22] mother told him during those days,
[2:28:27] mother separated his subtle being and
[2:28:31] body grosser level of body separated and
[2:28:35] she visited different places
[2:28:38] and
[2:28:40] she actually sort of telling what really
[2:28:43] happened in these places.
[2:28:48] her dream body actually separated from
[2:28:51] from the body and visit different
[2:28:54] places.
[2:28:56] I wish you see I wish you such a friend
[2:29:00] there. Then as a government official I
[2:29:03] would send to spy what you are doing
[2:29:12] or to China
[2:29:17] then polit bureau meeting can can hear
[2:29:22] can watch
[2:29:30] So next question
[2:29:33] next question.
[2:29:35] Oh then the German German German German
[2:29:37] uh I have a question regarding death. Uh
[2:29:40] knowledge is only valuable in a to the
[2:29:43] limited extent unless we totally
[2:29:45] experience it. So you uh briefly
[2:29:48] mentioned the eight stages of
[2:29:50] dissolution.
[2:29:51] uh I imagine there are only very very
[2:29:53] few people who in their lifetime
[2:29:55] actually go through this death
[2:29:57] meditation process of these eight stages
[2:30:01] and I also imagine that those people who
[2:30:04] actually did live through these uh
[2:30:06] stages will not talk about it. So how do
[2:30:10] we know that these eight stages exist?
[2:30:13] And second why is it in Buddhism in
[2:30:16] Tibetan Buddhism of such importance for
[2:30:19] example in death meditation um
[2:30:22] visualization for example of yamantaka.
[2:30:24] So why are why is the power of
[2:30:26] visualization of such importance?
[2:30:42] that I as I already mentioned you see
[2:30:45] some people even you see the sick people
[2:30:49] some medical doctors they notice you see
[2:30:53] some patient you see some kind of sort
[2:30:56] of deep
[2:30:58] consciousness right now some kind of
[2:31:01] dreamlike sort of experience you see
[2:31:02] usually happen
[2:31:04] So there are some similarities. Then uh
[2:31:08] I have once sort of my friend who now
[2:31:12] practice
[2:31:13] uh seriously
[2:31:16] in these tantic practice or meditation
[2:31:20] last now I think more than 30 years he
[2:31:24] actually when meditate he remained in
[2:31:29] meditation deep meditation 3 hours.
[2:31:33] So he actually experience the different
[2:31:37] stages but there also is eight different
[2:31:40] sort of stages also is grosser and
[2:31:43] subtler subtler many differences.
[2:31:46] So grosser level of uh at least four
[2:31:51] fourth fifth sort of dissolution
[2:31:53] indication he actually experienced he
[2:31:56] told me
[2:31:59] there's no reason he tell me lie
[2:32:02] quite a reliable quite a knowledgeable
[2:32:04] so I believe that and then also is some
[2:32:07] of my my friend some practitioner
[2:32:12] they said they
[2:32:14] meditate
[2:32:16] At ger level of mind becoming more
[2:32:19] because of the inactive
[2:32:22] then subtle minds of experience then
[2:32:25] memory about past life become clear.
[2:32:31] Actually you say one my friend now no
[2:32:33] longer he told me like that
[2:32:37] again that person not liar. So these
[2:32:40] people who experience these eight stages
[2:32:42] of dissolution uh in life they speak
[2:32:45] about it. It is it is kind of conveyed
[2:32:48] uh to others or how do I have to
[2:32:51] understand that this knowledge of the
[2:32:52] eight stages exists if those what I
[2:32:56] would
[2:32:56] actually experienced.
[2:32:59] So in the in the text mentioned this
[2:33:03] text you see wrote by like Nagarjuna
[2:33:06] I think quite reliable sources not
[2:33:09] drunk. Oh
[2:33:12] not some some sort of they uh sometimes
[2:33:17] you see sellar of dharma
[2:33:20] in China also now uh because this is
[2:33:24] some Buddhist faith growing. So some uh
[2:33:29] say false lama from Tibet
[2:33:32] actually seeking money or sex no
[2:33:36] experience but claim or hire lama.
[2:33:42] So number of Chinese told me their
[2:33:45] disappointment met such people at the
[2:33:49] initially they really of the full faith
[2:33:52] then gradually they notice not genuine
[2:33:55] sort of say dharaja
[2:34:01] so like like Nagarjuna and his disciple
[2:34:05] Arya
[2:34:07] and Chantakiti they wrote very clearly
[2:34:12] And then in Tibet,
[2:34:15] among
[2:34:23] stories there
[2:34:27] also you see of experience. We can see
[2:34:32] his his writing in early life. He just
[2:34:36] recently mentioned or it state that it
[2:34:39] state that the later part of his writing
[2:34:42] clearly shows speaking from his own
[2:34:46] experience very clear.
[2:34:50] So we can we can rely where now they are
[2:34:54] words and then actual
[2:34:58] experience existing
[2:35:00] my generation some actual experiences
[2:35:03] happen. So then it confirmed that
[2:35:12] that in Buddhism there so we categorize
[2:35:18] three levels.
[2:35:23] So um when we talk about phenomena
[2:35:25] things there are three um categories. Um
[2:35:30] the first is the things which are
[2:35:32] obvious that we can see from with our
[2:35:34] senses and then the second category is
[2:35:37] the slightly hidden phenomena and uh
[2:35:40] then the third is a very hidden
[2:35:42] phenomena. H
[2:35:44] uh
[2:35:47] so the
[2:35:51] third level
[2:35:53] and the second level both ultimately
[2:35:57] depend on obvious level
[2:36:00] now scientists also
[2:36:03] you see investigate on obvious level
[2:36:08] things which are obvious to us
[2:36:10] and on that basis
[2:36:12] Then eventually this is the analyze more
[2:36:17] hidden phenomena.
[2:36:19] The most hidden phenomena then have to
[2:36:23] rely on third person.
[2:36:26] Now in order to rely that person third
[2:36:29] person we have to sort of investigate
[2:36:32] that third person whether reliable or
[2:36:35] not. In order to investigate that third
[2:36:38] person the his sort of explanation or
[2:36:42] his knowledge about first level second
[2:36:44] level must be correct 100% sure then we
[2:36:49] conclude that person is reliable then
[2:36:52] third third sort of level what he said
[2:36:56] through his his or her own experience
[2:36:58] then quite acceptable quite reliable.
[2:37:02] So the wrong process like that. So all
[2:37:07] these your knowledge
[2:37:10] nander masters Indian knowledge
[2:37:14] we better not invented these things all
[2:37:17] see they imported imported from India.
[2:37:22] So you Indian everything exported no
[2:37:27] nothing left.
[2:37:34] Okay. Okay.
[2:37:38] Sometimes I you see telling this is my
[2:37:40] Indian friends himself
[2:37:44] very much exported Mahatma Gandhi G and
[2:37:47] his follower and Nas Mandela followed
[2:37:50] that and even sometimes you see Yes.
[2:37:54] Arafat also later part of his life he
[2:37:56] also is following himself. So export so
[2:38:01] uh while exporting these things must
[2:38:04] produce continuously within the country.
[2:38:10] I think altruistic altruistic way
[2:38:13] everything
[2:38:14] give them and nothing left.
[2:38:20] Of course still India I think these
[2:38:23] potential traditional values still
[2:38:26] there. Now we should pay more attention
[2:38:29] about these values and educate our
[2:38:32] younger generation these values
[2:38:35] with combination the scientific sort of
[2:38:37] findings and these ancient Indian
[2:38:40] knowledge combinedly educate our younger
[2:38:44] generation that's very very important
[2:38:48] next question
[2:38:55] it.
[2:38:56] Um now that old one
[2:39:00] old is good.
[2:39:01] Why? Why? Why is it bad?
[2:39:04] Yes.
[2:39:04] Thank you. Uh Johannes,
[2:39:07] uh the world of spirituality is so vast
[2:39:10] that it's virtually impossible to fathom
[2:39:12] it in one lifetime. And uh and therefore
[2:39:16] one notices that some people uh in one
[2:39:18] lifetime can cover more distance much
[2:39:21] more distance than others. What do you
[2:39:23] think that is a function of?
[2:39:42] from Buddhist viewpoint according
[2:39:44] Buddhist explanation uh not just just
[2:39:49] one life.
[2:39:51] So continuation of life
[2:39:56] I think according my uh not very sure
[2:40:00] little experience including my dreaming
[2:40:04] uh some my previous life in this country
[2:40:08] some masters some scholars
[2:40:12] so at least I think several so several
[2:40:16] lives
[2:40:18] so I learned I study and practice
[2:40:22] So some traces or imprints of those life
[2:40:26] sort of experience knowledge I think one
[2:40:31] uh some difficult subject
[2:40:37] my case without much effort some point I
[2:40:41] easily understand
[2:40:44] then some occasion which is discussed
[2:40:47] with some top scholars
[2:40:50] they they They sort of knowledge they
[2:40:52] understand
[2:40:54] through lot of effort my understand
[2:40:58] without much effort but understand you
[2:41:01] should compare I'm not behind
[2:41:05] so then I felt oh maybe
[2:41:09] those subject I familiarize through many
[2:41:13] lives
[2:41:16] so that from Buddhist viewpoint Of
[2:41:20] course you see uh according theistic uh
[2:41:24] this very life created by God then god
[2:41:26] knows we don't know
[2:41:28] [Laughter]
[2:41:33] so that it seems you see and then also
[2:41:37] some my among my friend some few words
[2:41:41] they understand
[2:41:43] some
[2:41:44] several times explain still confused
[2:41:49] [Laughter]
[2:41:52] So you see there are really you see the
[2:41:56] uh some differences about imprint right
[2:42:00] now in past life.
[2:42:04] So then I always telling people a
[2:42:07] Buddhist practitioner you see don't
[2:42:10] expect becoming Buddha or become
[2:42:14] enlightenment within 3 years it is
[2:42:16] communist propaganda
[2:42:20] the reality
[2:42:23] it may take years
[2:42:26] so 100 lives or 100 thousand lives
[2:42:31] million lives go like
[2:42:35] But once you are mind basis of thinking
[2:42:40] set once of direction then life after
[2:42:43] life will continue
[2:42:46] then some improvement Buddha's own story
[2:42:49] mentioned
[2:42:51] three
[2:42:52] three countless eons
[2:42:54] no three countless
[2:42:58] so that really gives gives us some kind
[2:43:03] of determination.
[2:43:05] If too much sort of expectation within
[2:43:08] uh the three years become enlightenment
[2:43:12] then after three three years nothing
[2:43:14] happened then completely lost your faith
[2:43:17] your sort of enthusiasm so that's
[2:43:20] dangerous much better thinks yons
[2:43:26] and then I think I think my friend knows
[2:43:30] one very important of prayer so long
[2:43:33] space remain so Long sentient beings
[2:43:36] remain. I will remain in order to serve
[2:43:39] them. That really give us purpose of our
[2:43:43] life
[2:43:45] and because of the usefulness our life
[2:43:49] that also become source of satisfaction,
[2:43:53] source of inner strength, source of
[2:43:56] determination.
[2:43:57] Clear? Like that?
[2:44:00] Yes.
[2:44:03] Now perhaps
[2:44:04] yes it is this one
[2:44:07] your holiness I also have questions
[2:44:09] connected with the atisha text
[2:44:12] already 4:30
[2:44:14] oh then the last question yesa
[2:44:17] uh my questions are connected with the
[2:44:19] atisha text that we're doing
[2:44:22] uh stanza 55
[2:44:24] which talks about um conceptuality being
[2:44:27] the basis of samsara
[2:44:30] I would be very grateful if If you could
[2:44:32] explain that a little bit. It's a very
[2:44:34] very dense stanza.
[2:44:36] Yes, that it will come tomorrow.
[2:44:40] Uh I will go through kasuri briefly
[2:44:44] the text then that will come. Okay. So
[2:44:48] now let us let us rest
[2:44:53] and for me no dinner as a Buddhist monk
[2:44:59] on tea and if I feel hungry then few
[2:45:02] biscuits
[2:45:04] which is salutation to Buddha
[2:45:07] [Laughter]
[2:45:09] then sound sleep usually 8 hours 9 hours
[2:45:13] sleep.
[2:45:15] So let us take rest and see you again
[2:45:18] tomorrow. Thank you.