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[0:00] Let's ask the basic question. When
[0:02] people get older, do they naturally get
[0:05] happier or not? As a matter of fact,
[0:07] it's not readily apparent. When I ask my
[0:10] students, "What does it seem like to you
[0:12] to be 58 versus 28? I don't want that. I
[0:16] don't want that." And I say, "Why?" And
[0:17] they can't quite say why, except that it
[0:19] doesn't sound fun to be middle-aged or
[0:21] old. Well, it really depends on your
[0:24] quality of life, doesn't it? Do people
[0:26] all experience life with the same level
[0:27] of enjoyment, satisfaction, and meaning?
[0:29] Nope. They have different tendencies and
[0:32] that means some people aka me and some
[0:35] of you have to work harder on our habits
[0:36] and that's a blessing. You and I are
[0:39] held to a higher standard and that's
[0:41] what has to make us elite happiness
[0:43] athletes.
[0:45] [Music]
[0:50] Hi friends, welcome to office hours. I'm
[0:53] Arthur Brooks. I'm a behavioral
[0:55] scientist dedicated to lifting people up
[0:57] and bringing them together in bonds of
[1:00] happiness and love using science and
[1:02] ideas. I teach at Harvard University
[1:05] where I teach classes on the science of
[1:07] happiness. That's what I write about in
[1:08] the Atlantic. Every Thursday morning I
[1:11] have a column uh called How to Build a
[1:13] Life. It's your column for the science
[1:15] of happiness with new ideas every single
[1:18] week. My new book is right here, The
[1:20] Happiness Files, is 33 essays that are a
[1:22] lot like this show on how you can be
[1:25] happier at work and happier in your
[1:26] life. And they're ideas that you can
[1:29] bring to other people as well. What do I
[1:31] want? I want you to live a happier life
[1:33] based on science. And I want you to
[1:35] become a teacher of this material with
[1:37] me. That's why I've created this show.
[1:40] That's why I do my work. And that's why
[1:41] I'm so grateful to you for spending the
[1:43] next 45 minutes with me looking at
[1:45] science in the public interest. science
[1:47] that you can use to lift yourself and
[1:50] other people up. Now, please let me know
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[2:25] I've been looking at the comments and
[2:26] and I know it's on your mind and it's
[2:28] kind of what's on my mind as well.
[2:29] Here's a question that I've gotten over
[2:31] the past few weeks of this show that I
[2:33] want to look at today. Namely, what can
[2:36] you do for that matter, what can I do to
[2:39] give us the best chance of getting
[2:41] happier as we get older? A lot of people
[2:44] are concerned about this. My students at
[2:46] the university are on average 28 years
[2:48] old. They're master's degree students.
[2:50] They're not kids, but they're pretty
[2:52] young. They're in their mid20s and and
[2:54] they're thinking about the future
[2:57] sometimes with a little bit of dread,
[2:59] actually. Why? Because getting older
[3:01] doesn't sound like fun. In our culture,
[3:03] we tend to valorize and almost worship
[3:05] youth as if this should be the happiest
[3:08] time of your life. And yet, it doesn't
[3:10] feel that way a lot of the time. Still,
[3:12] when I ask my students, "What does it
[3:14] seem like to you to be 58 versus 28, 78
[3:18] versus 28? I don't want that. I don't
[3:21] want that." And I say, "Why?" And they
[3:23] can't quite say why, except that it
[3:24] doesn't sound fun to be middle-aged or
[3:26] old. Well, it really depends on your
[3:29] quality of life, doesn't it? And your
[3:31] quality of life depends on a lot on your
[3:33] on your investments right now. That's
[3:35] what I want to talk about. My subject
[3:38] today is the seven investments that you
[3:40] can make today that are going to pay off
[3:43] now
[3:44] pretty pretty well and a lot later. And
[3:47] this is actually what we find based on
[3:49] longitudinal data and the best science
[3:51] available. This is based on studies not
[3:54] suppositions. So these aren't just old
[3:57] kind of hackne ideas. These are the
[3:59] things that are actually showing up in
[4:00] the research that's been undertaken over
[4:02] the past 90 years or so. These are the
[4:05] seven habits that lead to greater
[4:07] happiness as you walk through the voyage
[4:10] of your life. So let's get started. Now
[4:13] to begin with, let's ask the basic
[4:15] question. When people get older, do they
[4:19] naturally get happier or not? Most
[4:22] people don't know. And the truth is when
[4:24] I started studying the science of
[4:25] happiness, I didn't know either. As a
[4:27] matter of fact, it's not readily
[4:29] apparent. When I ask my students, you
[4:31] know, who are, as I mentioned, 28 years
[4:33] old on average, do you think you're
[4:35] going to be happier or unhappier in 10
[4:38] years? Say 38. I say, imagine yourself
[4:41] when you're 38. They're like, ah, it's
[4:42] so old. And I'm like, just wait. And
[4:46] then I ask them to vote, happier or
[4:48] unhappier. 90% think they're going to be
[4:50] happier. The others are maybe a little
[4:53] cynical. They hope to be happier, but
[4:54] 90% is a lot. And then I ask them why
[4:57] and they give me a very plausible
[4:59] explanation. They say, for example, the
[5:02] things that I want, I'm going to get.
[5:03] And and it's true. I know because I've
[5:06] been teaching for a long time. If you're
[5:09] working hard and you're a stver and
[5:11] you're ambitious and you're killing it,
[5:13] you're going to get what you work for.
[5:15] So be careful what you wish for, as they
[5:17] as they used to say. And it's true
[5:20] because wrong dreams, bad outcome. But
[5:22] you know, you want the job and the
[5:24] promotion and the success and the family
[5:26] and all those things, you're probably
[5:27] going to get it. And that's why most
[5:29] people think that at 38 they're going to
[5:31] be happier than at 28. Then I say, "How
[5:33] about 48?" And most people say happier
[5:36] still cuz more of same. Then I start
[5:39] progressing through the decades and they
[5:40] get less and less enthusiastic. Why?
[5:43] Because it's murkier. Also because it
[5:44] just sounds like there's more problems.
[5:46] You get older, right? Well, not
[5:48] necessarily. It turns out there's a way
[5:50] that you can program these later years
[5:53] based on the smart things that you're
[5:55] doing now that will benefit you right
[5:57] now as well, but have a really great
[5:59] long-term payoff. They have a
[6:01] compounding interest in the business of
[6:03] happiness. And specifically, there's
[6:05] seven things that I'm going to talk
[6:07] about. Now, back to this whole arc of
[6:09] happiness. People think that their
[6:12] happiness is going to go up and up and
[6:13] up and kind of max out at some point and
[6:15] then come back down again. That's
[6:16] actually wrong. The average person tends
[6:20] to actually decline in net net
[6:23] year-to-year happiness from their early
[6:25] 20s until their early 50s. Now, don't
[6:27] panic. This is not a bad thing. Let me
[6:30] explain why that happens. Happiness, for
[6:32] any of you who've been following my
[6:33] research over the years, you know that
[6:35] happiness has three macronutrients,
[6:37] three fundamental elements, components.
[6:40] They are enjoyment, satisfaction, and
[6:43] meaning. Those are the three big parts
[6:45] of your life. You need to enjoy your
[6:47] life. You need to take satisfaction in
[6:48] your accomplishments and activities and
[6:50] you need to know the why of your
[6:51] existence. Those are the three projects.
[6:53] The pursuit of happiness and the
[6:55] American Declaration of Independence. If
[6:57] good old Tom Thomas Jefferson were a
[6:59] happiness scientist, he'd talk about the
[7:00] pursuit of enjoyment, satisfaction, and
[7:02] meaning. That's really what the pursuit
[7:05] is all about. Now, when I see happiness
[7:09] for the average adult declining, it's
[7:11] actually not it's not a it's not a scary
[7:14] or alarming thing at all. What this is
[7:16] is that people enjoy their lives a
[7:20] little bit less than they used to, but
[7:21] they're putting more meaning in the
[7:23] bank. It means that you're trading one
[7:25] macronutrient of happiness for another.
[7:27] Enjoyment is a short-term happiness
[7:29] play. Meaning is a long-term happiness
[7:32] play. When you're in your 30s and you're
[7:34] you're raising your kids and it's it's a
[7:36] pain and you're worrying about your
[7:37] mortgage and your job's crazy and you've
[7:39] got to commute, it's not that enjoyable
[7:41] a lot of the time, but it's very
[7:43] meaningful. And what that means is that
[7:45] you're sacrificing some of your
[7:46] enjoyment now for a bunch of meaning
[7:48] later. And that meaning really starts to
[7:51] come home to roost in your in your 50s.
[7:53] What we see is a massive escalation in
[7:55] average happiness for people from early
[7:57] 50s until about 70. So this is a good
[8:00] time. I'm 61 years old and trust me,
[8:02] it's it's actually it's pretty
[8:04] extraordinary. I I wouldn't have known
[8:05] it when I was 31 and 41, but 61's way
[8:09] better for a lot of the things that I
[8:11] did right. and I'm not paying that much
[8:13] for things I did wrong. And we're going
[8:14] to talk about that more in a minute. So,
[8:16] so this is the thing to to console you
[8:19] if you find that enjoyment is really
[8:20] really tricky. You're making these
[8:22] happiness investments and that those
[8:24] happiness investments in terms of
[8:25] meaning are really going to pay off a
[8:26] little bit later. So, almost everybody
[8:28] gets happier between their early 50s and
[8:31] and about 70 years old. That's what the
[8:33] data say. And then the population kind
[8:35] of breaks up into two groups. That's the
[8:37] point in which about half the population
[8:39] keeps getting happier and half the
[8:41] population starts back down again. Half
[8:43] and half. And and it's pretty pronounced
[8:46] what we actually see. You see this group
[8:48] of old people that's really happy and
[8:50] you see a group of old people that's
[8:52] really unhappy. You don't see kind of
[8:54] neutral people in that zone. So, I'm
[8:56] just going to take a wild stab at which
[8:58] group you want to be in. The goal is to
[9:01] be above your natural happiness
[9:02] trajectory all the way through and then
[9:04] get into that upper branch of the
[9:06] happiness curve after 70. What can you
[9:09] do today? Now, a lot of people are like,
[9:12] "Have good luck?" But that's not good
[9:14] enough for you, is it? You don't want to
[9:16] be on that lower branch. You want to
[9:18] avoid that. You want to get on that
[9:19] upper branch. My job today is to tell
[9:22] you the seven ways to get on the upper
[9:24] branch and to avoid the lower branch.
[9:26] And we know how to do it. Now, I'm going
[9:28] to tell you about some data that that
[9:30] show us why we know that. And these are
[9:32] data that I I I mentioned in the very
[9:35] first episode of this podcast. This is
[9:37] called the Harvard Study of Adult
[9:38] Development. This is a study that was
[9:40] started in the late 1930s. I mentioned
[9:42] it quite briefly in that episode. I'm
[9:44] really going to dig into it today
[9:45] because this is the gold standard for
[9:47] longitudinal data. This is the best data
[9:50] available that that track people over
[9:52] the lifetime and interview them every
[9:53] year, year on year on year. Why? Because
[9:55] that's a crystal ball. These are data
[9:57] that start when people are teenagers and
[10:00] ask them how they're living, what
[10:01] they're doing, and then years, decades
[10:04] later, it shows whether they're happy
[10:06] and healthy, and then it compares those
[10:09] early behaviors with those later
[10:11] outcomes. This is great. This is exactly
[10:13] what we want. There's not very much data
[10:14] like this in the world because, you
[10:16] know, this is a huge investment, a
[10:18] 90-year data analysis. You know, the
[10:20] people who are starting the starting the
[10:21] study and funding the study, they're all
[10:23] going to be dead. So, why would we do
[10:25] that? And when the answer is is good for
[10:27] humanity and fortunately some people
[10:28] did. This study started among sophomores
[10:31] at Harvard College. That's the
[10:33] undergraduate division of Harvard
[10:34] University in 1938 and 1939. Now you're
[10:37] thinking to yourself, well that's not a
[10:38] very representative sample. It's almost
[10:40] all white. It's it was all men in those
[10:43] days and it was people of you know above
[10:45] average means. So that doesn't really
[10:47] tell us anything. Well, don't worry
[10:49] because that sample was then later uh
[10:51] meshed up with another sample of people
[10:53] born in the same time frame who didn't
[10:55] go to college at all and so they were
[10:57] largely working-class background and
[10:59] then the study started to include the
[11:01] spouses and partners of these people and
[11:02] then it started to include the kids and
[11:04] now it's representative demographically
[11:07] is pretty good of the American
[11:08] population above and below average
[11:10] income um racially in terms of gender
[11:13] all this stuff. It actually kind of
[11:14] looks like America and it goes to the
[11:17] present, the late30s until the present.
[11:20] Now, there's some people in the samples
[11:22] that that didn't make it all the way
[11:23] through. John F. Kennedy was in the
[11:24] original sample because he was a
[11:26] sophomore at Harvard in 1938 or 1939.
[11:29] The sample that was from from from
[11:31] working-class people in Boston that was
[11:33] matched up to these people. It actually
[11:35] included the Boston strangler of all
[11:37] people who obviously didn't also make it
[11:39] to the end of the sample, but but most
[11:41] did. and and and they died over the
[11:43] course of the sample. There's there's
[11:44] there's a handful that are still alive,
[11:47] believe it or not, that have made it all
[11:48] the way through, but a lot of their
[11:50] spouses are still in and their kids are
[11:51] still in. The whole point is we get to
[11:53] track people over the course of their
[11:54] lives. It's super exciting and it's
[11:56] actually quite amazing what we're able
[11:58] to see. This is a crystal ball. What did
[12:00] people do when they were young that led
[12:02] to good outcomes and bad outcomes when
[12:03] they were old? Now, here's kind of how
[12:05] it works. You want to look at two
[12:08] quadrants of people when they're old. We
[12:10] call them happy well and and and that
[12:13] means that they're both happy about
[12:15] their lives and and we measure this in
[12:18] all the ways that happiness scientists
[12:19] do it. We say compare yourself to all of
[12:21] the people etc etc. We do it in a way
[12:24] that's that's psychometrically robust
[12:26] and and reliable and also well in terms
[12:29] of their physical health. So they're
[12:30] happy and healthy. The other group in
[12:32] the other extreme are people who are sad
[12:35] sick. The sad sick are low in happiness
[12:38] and and they're high in sickness. Now,
[12:39] of course, you could have the off
[12:40] quadrants here. You could be people who
[12:42] are happy and sick, and you could have
[12:43] people are sad and well, but there
[12:45] aren't very many people in those
[12:46] quadrants. Why? Because there's a hu by
[12:48] the time you're old, there's a huge
[12:50] correlation between being happy and
[12:52] living to be old relatively healthfully.
[12:55] Again, I've known people even in my own
[12:57] family that were pretty happy and pretty
[12:59] old, but not very healthy. But this is
[13:01] not the normal state of affairs. And
[13:02] besides, I know what you want. You want
[13:04] to avoid being sad and sick, and you
[13:06] want to be happy and well. Let's look at
[13:08] those two quadrants and that's what the
[13:09] research typically does. What are the
[13:12] practices of the people in these two
[13:13] groups? That's what I want to talk about
[13:16] now. Now, to begin with, there's a whole
[13:18] bunch of stuff you can't control that's
[13:19] going to put you in one of these two
[13:20] quadrants. So, and this is a big beef I
[13:23] have with a lot of the happiness
[13:24] science. A lot of the happiness science
[13:26] will be like, "Hey, you want to be
[13:27] happy? Be Danish." It's like, "Good.
[13:30] Thanks. Thanks. That's great. Make sure
[13:32] you've been already in a happy marriage
[13:34] for 40 years." Like, thanks. Great.
[13:36] Thanks. you got any news I can use? And
[13:38] that's where a lot of these kinds of
[13:40] data start. So, for example, in this
[13:43] Harvard study of adult development,
[13:46] wait, let me back up for a quick second.
[13:47] Let me let me give a little shout out to
[13:49] the people who run it. This there have
[13:50] only been three directors in the past 90
[13:54] years of the study. That's unbelievable.
[13:56] In academia, it's just completely
[13:58] unheard of. The guy who runs it right
[14:00] now is Robert Waldinger. He's a
[14:02] psychiatrist at the Harvard Medical
[14:04] School. He's also a psychoanalyst
[14:05] practicing has a clinical practice in
[14:07] patients and he's a Zen Buddhist priest.
[14:10] This is a really interesting guy. He
[14:12] guest lectures for me in my stud in my
[14:13] in my classes at Harvard. I've
[14:15] interviewed him in different contexts.
[14:17] He's a great scholar and an unbelievable
[14:20] author. His last book was called The
[14:22] Good Life, which was a big bestseller.
[14:24] He's just a lovely guy. He's a wonderful
[14:26] guy. Before him was another psychiatrist
[14:29] at Harvard Medical School named George
[14:30] Valiant, who also ran it for more than
[14:32] 30 years. So these guys are just
[14:35] visionary and they have this, you know,
[14:37] they have this just complete longevity
[14:39] in the way that they're in their own
[14:40] lives. They they're, you know, they're
[14:42] not kids either, but that they're
[14:43] running the study in such a wonderful
[14:45] way. They're an example of the kind of
[14:46] life that we want to lead and they're
[14:47] leading the study. Terrific stuff. Okay.
[14:50] Now, let's talk a little bit about the
[14:52] about the the things you can't control
[14:54] that are in the study. Number one is
[14:56] have a happy childhood. Well, thanks.
[14:59] Did you have a happy childhood? It's
[15:01] great. Great for you. bully for you as
[15:03] they say in Britain. But uh but you
[15:04] can't control that. Second is having
[15:06] long lived ancestors. Um yeah, I mean
[15:09] it's like I I remember thinking that
[15:11] seeing that and going yeah my dad died
[15:12] at 66, my mom uh died at 73. In today's
[15:16] world this this is not good longevity
[15:19] and and that's not great. The point is
[15:23] that we need to look at the things we
[15:24] can control, not the things we can't
[15:26] control. This is a really important
[15:28] thing to keep in mind across all the
[15:29] happiness science. I'm going to talk
[15:31] about this a little bit later, probably
[15:33] today, maybe in a later episode, that a
[15:36] lot of the happiness is actually that we
[15:38] that we enjoy. Our mood balance is
[15:40] actually genetic.
[15:42] But we can't fret about that. What we
[15:44] need to is look at the part that isn't
[15:46] genetic and manage our genetics better,
[15:49] right? By having good habits. This is so
[15:51] critically important. And let me make
[15:53] the case right now about how you can
[15:55] manage your own genetics, good or bad.
[15:57] Um, a lot of the the twin studies where
[16:01] twin identical twins are separated at
[16:03] birth and and and adopted into separate
[16:05] families. There's a bunch of these
[16:07] studies because that happened a lot
[16:08] between the mid1 1930s and mid1 1960s.
[16:10] This was not a social science experiment
[16:12] by diabolical scholars at Harvard
[16:14] University. I promise I promise you it
[16:17] just happened. And and then when they
[16:18] were reunited as adults and given
[16:20] personality tests, they found that a lot
[16:22] of stuff was genetic. A lot of things
[16:23] about their personalities, but a lot of
[16:24] things about their behaviors as well.
[16:26] For example, about half of your tendency
[16:28] toward alcohol abuse is genetic. But if
[16:30] you came to me and said, "H, mom and dad
[16:32] were drunks. All four of my grandparents
[16:35] drank drank too much. I'm doomed." I'd
[16:37] say, "Ah, you missed the step." Because
[16:39] I have a way to turn that genetic
[16:40] proclivity toward alcoholism to zero
[16:42] right now. What is it? What is it?
[16:44] What's the new technique? Don't drink.
[16:46] That's the technique. If you have it in
[16:48] your family and you don't do it, you're
[16:50] not going to become an alcoholic. And
[16:51] what that says is if you know your
[16:54] genetic tendency, you can pay more
[16:56] attention to your habits and you win.
[16:59] It's very important thing to understand
[17:01] and that's what what I'm really
[17:02] emphasizing here. Don't worry about the
[17:05] uncontrollable stuff. Only worry about
[17:07] the controllable things. And there's a
[17:08] bunch of controllable things. That's the
[17:10] point of this episode is the seven
[17:12] things that you can actually control
[17:13] that will make you happier now, happier
[17:15] later, and happiest when you're old.
[17:18] Okay? This stuff is gold for me and for
[17:20] you. So let's get started. What are the
[17:22] controllable habits? Number one, well
[17:25] actually talk about number one, two,
[17:26] three, and four because the first four
[17:29] are a lot about your physical health.
[17:31] Now a note on physical health. I do a
[17:33] lot of stuff on wellness because
[17:35] wellness and happiness are intimately
[17:37] intertwined. I'm going to do uh uh
[17:39] future episodes on diet, on exercise, on
[17:43] sleep, all this stuff. I'm really into
[17:45] it. I'm a absolute gym rat myself
[17:48] because I know this is super important
[17:50] for mood balance. And I'm going to talk
[17:52] about what the science says about that
[17:54] in the coming weeks. But for the
[17:56] meantime, I want you to remember that
[17:58] there's a reason I mentioned before that
[18:00] happy and well go together because when
[18:02] you're well, you are happier. Working on
[18:05] your health is super important for your
[18:07] happiness. Working on your happiness is
[18:09] super important for your health. So to
[18:11] get in the happy well category, this is
[18:13] not one or the other. This is both.
[18:15] starts with the four things you need to
[18:16] be thinking about with respect to your
[18:18] longevity and with respect to your basic
[18:20] health. They are smoking, drinking,
[18:23] diet, and exercise. Okay, I know, I
[18:25] know, I know. But let's start with the
[18:27] most obvious of all. Don't smoke. Don't
[18:30] smoke. Don't put smoke in your lungs.
[18:32] I'm mostly talking about cigarettes, but
[18:34] I'm also talking about other things that
[18:35] you might smoke. They're bad for your
[18:38] lungs, and that's bad for your health. I
[18:39] mean, it's it's it's kind of obvious at
[18:41] this point. Um, I remember I was a
[18:43] smoker in my 20s. I was a professional
[18:45] musician for a long time. Most musicians
[18:47] smoked in those days. Furthermore, I was
[18:49] playing in a in a symphony orchestra in
[18:51] Barcelona, Spain. And man, this the the
[18:53] the musicians lounge and the breaks and
[18:56] rehearsals, it was like it was
[18:57] completely full of smoke. Everybody was
[18:59] smoking all the time. And that was in
[19:01] the like late 1980s, which for most of
[19:04] you watching this episode, that's like
[19:06] were dinosaurs roaming the earth?
[19:09] No, but as a matter of fact, that that
[19:11] that was a long time ago, but we already
[19:12] knew that smoking was bad and and and I
[19:15] knew it. I knew it. Um and and I finally
[19:18] quit only because I set the bed on fire
[19:21] and um I was engaged and at the time and
[19:23] and I realized that it was one thing to
[19:26] kill myself with a stupid habit. It was
[19:27] something else to kill my wife to be
[19:30] with the stupid habit. So, I actually
[19:31] quit. But it was hard. It was a really
[19:33] hard thing to do. uh smoking is horrible
[19:36] for you obviously, but let me give you
[19:38] one statistic. You have a if you're a
[19:41] lifelong smoker of cigarettes, you have
[19:43] a 70% chance, seven and 10 chance of
[19:46] dying of a smoking related illness. And
[19:48] smoking related illnesses are horrible
[19:51] for your quality of life. They're
[19:52] painful and awful and they're avoidable,
[19:56] which means that you have a lot of
[19:57] unhappiness if you're dying of a smoking
[19:59] related illness. They will lower it will
[20:01] ru lower your quality of life. Stop
[20:03] smoking. That's number one. And that and
[20:05] again, I'm not trying to preach to you.
[20:07] I'm just telling you what the data say
[20:09] that people are are almost always in the
[20:12] sad sick category of the Harvard study
[20:15] of adult development over these decades
[20:17] if they're smokers. Second is
[20:19] substances. Now, this was in the early
[20:22] years of the study and and for until
[20:24] relatively recently really about
[20:25] drinking alcohol. Alcohol has has had a
[20:28] kind of metamorphosis in the public
[20:30] consciousness. It's pretty interesting
[20:32] for those of us who are in the wellness
[20:33] and and and happiness space that that
[20:35] young people drink less than their
[20:37] elders did. Many of you, if you're in
[20:40] your 20s and 30s, you drink less than
[20:42] your parents did. And part of that is
[20:44] because thinking has really changed. I
[20:46] mean, there's a time for people my age
[20:47] um where we all believe that one or two
[20:49] glasses of red wine a night was really
[20:51] good for you. And and that's not what
[20:52] the latest data say. I'm not saying
[20:54] don't drink at all. I'm I'm saying be
[20:56] conscious of what you're actually doing
[20:58] and and and basically pay attention to
[21:01] your habits. One of the things that we
[21:02] find that the study clearly finds is
[21:04] that euphoric substances in general and
[21:07] it's mostly alcohol in this sample that
[21:10] that they're neurotoxic, but they're
[21:13] also a relationship as you get more and
[21:15] more involved with them, especially if
[21:17] you become addicted. There's nothing for
[21:19] your happiness that's going to get
[21:20] better if you have a substance abuse
[21:23] problem. If you have a dependency on any
[21:25] euphoric substance, it's horrible for
[21:27] your happiness. As a matter of fact,
[21:28] that's the number one predictor of
[21:30] dissolution of marriage, your marriage
[21:32] will fall apart. Generally speaking, if
[21:34] you're an addict and you're rolling the
[21:36] dice if you have any of this in your
[21:38] family or you have any tendency in that
[21:40] you have noticed in yourself. So, here's
[21:42] what it comes down to. If you want to
[21:44] get happier as you get older as opposed
[21:45] to unhappier as you get older. If you
[21:48] want your last decades of life to be
[21:49] your best decades of life, but you just
[21:51] want a progression of happiness, which
[21:53] you deserve, by the way, you need just
[21:56] be extremely assiduous
[21:59] about the way that you look at your own
[22:01] substance use. Now, people make all
[22:03] kinds of different decisions in their
[22:04] lives. I'm not judging anything. There
[22:07] have been times when I haven't driven
[22:08] the safest car. I've also had near-death
[22:11] experiences. I had somebody hit me in my
[22:13] Alfa Romeo last year at 65 miles an hour
[22:15] on the freeway and that was a really
[22:17] really scary couple of seconds in there.
[22:19] Car performed well, total the car, ended
[22:22] up off the road and and and I went home
[22:24] and and and Esther said, um, you need a
[22:27] bigger car. But in much the same way,
[22:29] you can have an experience that that
[22:32] reminds you of what you're trying to do
[22:34] with your life with respect to any other
[22:36] decision that you make, including
[22:37] including substances. So, so interrogate
[22:40] your use of alcohol and other and other
[22:43] substances in your life. That's what
[22:45] this would say. And here's a couple of
[22:48] rules you might consider. If you have
[22:50] any substance abuse in your family or
[22:52] you have any doubts in your own life,
[22:55] stop. Just stop. You're never going to
[22:58] look back on your life and say, "You
[22:59] know what? I wish I'd gotten drunk
[23:01] more." I I don't know anybody who's ever
[23:03] said that. And there will be a lot of
[23:06] regret potentially if you don't. So if
[23:08] you wonder, kick it out. Number three is
[23:13] is diet and and maintaining a a basic
[23:16] healthy body weight. And and there's a
[23:18] lot of debate about, you know, what's
[23:20] healthy and what's not healthy, what's
[23:22] too much, what's too little. There's a
[23:24] lot of lead eating disorder literature
[23:26] um on the internet in the health and
[23:27] wellness space that I inhabit. You know,
[23:29] I see a lot of people that have a um
[23:32] really unhealthy behaviors with respect
[23:34] to body dysmorphia. They're comparing
[23:36] themselves to people that have
[23:38] dangerously low levels of body fat, for
[23:40] example. I mean, what a weird problem
[23:42] that we should actually have in our
[23:44] society where they're kind of we're on
[23:46] the extreme so much on these types of
[23:48] things. Here's kind of what it comes
[23:49] down to. The happiest, healthiest people
[23:51] in old age are not extreme in what they
[23:54] do. And they maintain a basic healthy
[23:57] body weight without yo-yo diets. They're
[24:01] not kind of going up and down and up and
[24:02] down and up and down. I've written about
[24:03] this myself. You know, people who gain a
[24:06] lot of weight and then they lose a lot
[24:07] of weight quickly. You find if you go on
[24:09] a very, very strong diet, especially a
[24:11] very restrictive diet, you have about a
[24:12] 30% chance of winding up with an eating
[24:15] disorder. And there's a psychological
[24:17] reason for this, which is this. We love
[24:19] progress as human beings. We love
[24:21] progress. Progress is the best. And and
[24:24] the result of of the reward for making
[24:27] progress in a diet is seeing the scale
[24:29] go down a little bit. You're willing to
[24:31] forego all kinds of food that you like.
[24:33] To see that scale go down. It's just so
[24:35] satisfying. But there's a problem. When
[24:37] you hit your goal, you hit your weight
[24:39] goal. You know what your you know what
[24:41] your reward is? You never get to eat
[24:43] what you like ever again for the rest of
[24:45] your life. Congratulations. Enjoy.
[24:47] Right? I mean that's the reason that
[24:48] these things are they often the diets so
[24:51] often fail. They have something like a
[24:52] 95% failure rate but but also people who
[24:55] achieve this often keep going and that's
[24:57] what turns into an eating disorder. So
[24:59] the whole point is and what the study
[25:01] really shows is people who are pretty
[25:02] relaxed about this but eat in a healthy
[25:05] way and they eat healthier as they get
[25:07] older without going up and down and up
[25:09] and down and up and down. So this is
[25:10] really the goal on this one is learning
[25:13] how to eat in a way that's intuitive and
[25:16] extremely healthy etc. And that's the
[25:18] goal to be a healthy person, not to look
[25:21] a certain way on the internet. Okay? Uh
[25:25] and and and again, I'm not preaching to
[25:26] just young people. There a lot of lot of
[25:28] people my age that really struggle with
[25:30] this a lot. Number four is exercise. And
[25:33] that's just what it comes down to. It's
[25:34] interesting because what the what the
[25:36] researchers say for this one to get
[25:37] happy and well when you're old is
[25:39] prioritizing movement. Now, my friend
[25:41] Dan Butner, I talked about him in the
[25:42] first episode of the show. He did the
[25:44] blue zones and what he found is all the
[25:46] places where people that live to be over
[25:48] a hundred is also the places where
[25:50] people tend to be really happy when
[25:51] they're older kind of like this study
[25:53] they're always walking around just
[25:55] walking around all the time he's in
[25:56] Sardinia and Okinawa Lom Linda
[25:59] California and they're all like you know
[26:01] walking walking walking they're walking
[26:02] every place they're walking with each
[26:03] other and that's really kind of the
[26:05] thing walking ambulation is the human
[26:08] exercise of happiness is what it comes
[26:09] down to um almost every major religion
[26:12] has pilgrimages I've walked the commino
[26:14] to Santiago, which is this, you know,
[26:16] several hundred kilometer pilgrim.
[26:18] Sorry, for you Americans, that's that's
[26:20] miles across northern Spain with my
[26:23] beloved. I've done it twice. I've done
[26:25] just the last eight days twice. I I try
[26:28] to do the 33-day, 800 kilometer walk and
[26:31] and Esther's like, "No, no, enjoy it.
[26:33] Send me a postcard." Uh so so she's
[26:36] agreed. She's signed up for the the
[26:38] 8-day versions. But this extraordinary
[26:40] it's wonderful. And we try to take a
[26:42] kind of a prayerful walk every night
[26:43] after dinner. And part of it is because
[26:45] we've seen this research. Walk, walk,
[26:46] walk, walk. You're going to be a happier
[26:48] person is what it comes down to. But
[26:50] part of it is also that this is
[26:51] something that's deeply tied in to to to
[26:55] meditation. Most serious religious
[26:58] traditions have something that's called
[27:00] walking meditation. And and you can do
[27:02] this and at the same time you get
[27:04] happier and you get healthier, but this
[27:06] is also ergonomically completely sound.
[27:08] it. You're not likely to get hurt. Most
[27:11] people can do it. Now, on top of that,
[27:13] all other kinds of exercise are great.
[27:14] I've written columns and I'll I'll make
[27:16] sure we post to the to the uh the notes.
[27:20] Exercise that that lowers your stress.
[27:22] Yoga and flexibility really good for
[27:24] that. For example, um that that raise
[27:27] raises your sense of self-esteem. And
[27:30] and again, I'm not a big self-esteem
[27:31] guy, but there are times when you need
[27:32] to feel better about yourself. And
[27:34] resistance training is absolutely great
[27:36] for that. Weightlifting is fantastic for
[27:37] that. for lowering levels of sadness and
[27:40] anxiety. Zone two cardio fantastic for
[27:42] that. So just be I mean just be an
[27:44] active person. Don't be a maniac about
[27:46] it. Don't be completely dogmatic about
[27:48] it. There are times in my life where
[27:50] because I'm such a gym rat. I mean I'm
[27:52] in the gym 60 minutes a day and I've
[27:53] done that almost seven days a week for
[27:55] decades where I can be like a little bit
[27:57] too freaked out about it when I'm
[27:59] missing it because of travel ordinarily
[28:01] is the case. But be an active person.
[28:04] Prioritize movement. That's habit four.
[28:07] Okay. Okay, so those are the big four
[28:08] that we're talking about with respect to
[28:11] your body and your mind. But the last
[28:13] three are are a little less intuitive.
[28:15] Five, six, and seven. Habit number five
[28:18] is practicing active coping and getting
[28:22] good at your coping mechanism. Here's
[28:25] the deal. Life's hard. Hey, news flash.
[28:28] Arthur Brooks told me life is hard.
[28:30] You're going to have negative
[28:31] experiences regularly. That's what life
[28:35] entails. That's that's life on planet
[28:37] Earth. You're going to have regular
[28:39] negative emotions. Now, a lot of people
[28:41] are taught that when they're having
[28:42] negative emotions, something's wrong
[28:44] that there's something there's a
[28:45] pathology. They're broken in some way.
[28:48] That's craziness. That's if you're not
[28:50] sad and anxious a lot, then you really
[28:52] need therapy. And the reason you have
[28:55] negative emotions is your li the lyic
[28:57] system of your brain the consolar tissue
[28:59] that was formed between 2 and 40 million
[29:00] years ago. It was created so that it
[29:04] would react to outside circumstances and
[29:06] you would react in the right way. You'd
[29:08] make decisions in the correct way on the
[29:10] basis of a stimuli that your brain is
[29:12] experiencing. When you're having
[29:13] negative emotions, it means that you
[29:15] have perceived a threat, which is an
[29:17] indication there's something you should
[29:18] avoid. That's what negative emotions are
[29:20] all about. You're going to have them all
[29:22] the time. 16% of the average person's
[29:25] day is spent in predominantly ne
[29:27] negative emotion. Now, you know, for
[29:30] people like me who are really high in
[29:32] both positive and negative uh affect,
[29:34] that's a future episode of this show to
[29:36] figure out what your affect profile,
[29:38] your emotional profile is. I promise
[29:40] you're going to take a test to do that
[29:41] if you keep watching the show. For me,
[29:43] it's more than 16%. But that's natural.
[29:46] That's normal. The key thing is you got
[29:49] to have a way not to eliminate it. Don't
[29:51] try to eliminate your sadness. Try to
[29:53] manage your sadness and learn from your
[29:55] sadness. That's the trick. And you need
[29:58] your way to do it. You need to get
[30:00] really good at it. Happy old people all
[30:03] have their technique. There's super
[30:06] secret way to do it. It turns out they
[30:07] all fall in a certain set of of of
[30:11] categories. Again, coming up in the in
[30:13] the in the in the weeks to the weeks
[30:15] ahead, you're going to get those
[30:16] techniques. You're going to get a whole
[30:18] bunch of different techniques for to do
[30:19] something called metaccognition, which
[30:22] is moving your emotional experiences
[30:24] from the lyic system into your
[30:25] prefrontal cortex into your executive
[30:27] centers where you can manage your
[30:29] emotions and they don't manage you. But
[30:31] you got to be good at one of those
[30:32] things. Some people get really really
[30:34] good at therapy. Believe it or not, if
[30:36] you're going to have if you're going to
[30:37] be have find therapy effective in your
[30:40] life, you need to be good at it. You
[30:42] need to have a lot of skill as a
[30:43] patient. And many people are. Other
[30:45] people are really good at meditation.
[30:47] Some people are excellent at prayer. But
[30:49] here's the deal. Be serious about your
[30:52] technique. Journaling, do it a lot. Get
[30:54] really good at it. The happy well people
[30:57] all have their thing. So stay tuned in
[31:01] the coming weeks so I can tell you what
[31:02] the suite of things are that you can get
[31:04] good at where you can manage your life's
[31:07] travails and turn them from a lot of
[31:10] suffering and sadness into sources of
[31:12] learning and growth. That's coming.
[31:14] Okay. Number six, learning. Happy well
[31:18] people are learners. Learning is it's a
[31:20] beautiful thing. Um pos I just talked
[31:23] about negative emotions. Positive
[31:24] emotions include interest. Interest is a
[31:28] positive basic emotion. We love to
[31:31] learn. Your ancestors passed on their
[31:32] genes because they learned a lot and got
[31:35] better at life. Now maybe 250,000 years
[31:38] ago the learning was not I mean
[31:39] obviously it was not reading books.
[31:41] 250,000 years ago, it was figuring out
[31:43] the watering hole that has had a lot of
[31:45] gazels around it or or where the berries
[31:48] were on the bush out there someplace so
[31:50] they could get food, forage and pass on
[31:53] their genes, survive the winter um and
[31:56] you were born some, you know, hundred
[31:58] generations later. Fine. The point is
[32:02] that they had to be rewarded for that
[32:03] neurocognitively.
[32:05] The evolutionary psychology is very
[32:07] clear that if you if something is good
[32:09] for the fitness of your genes, if
[32:12] something's going to help you pass on
[32:13] your genes, it has to get you have to
[32:15] have an incentive to do it. A and one of
[32:17] the ways that we have an incentive to
[32:19] learn is that it gives you intense
[32:21] positive emotion for doing so. That's
[32:23] why in point of fact, interest itself is
[32:26] a basic positive emotion. We love to
[32:28] learn. It gives us this joy to learn. So
[32:32] what does that mean? That means that
[32:33] you're going to be happy and well if
[32:34] you're a habitual learner. The people in
[32:36] the sad sick category, they tend to be
[32:38] people who stopped learning in in in
[32:41] early adulthood. Really stop learning.
[32:43] They don't read books. They don't learn
[32:45] new stuff. They're set in their ways.
[32:47] They don't you know what they don't do?
[32:49] They don't interrogate their own
[32:52] beliefs. You know, one of the best ways
[32:54] to keep learning is to take an inventory
[32:56] of all the things that you believe and
[32:57] say, "Is that true?" And you know, maybe
[33:00] go away from time to time, you know, for
[33:02] half a day or something or go for a nice
[33:04] long walk and make a list of all of your
[33:06] beliefs. Say, do I still think that?
[33:08] What do the data say? Also, interrogate
[33:11] your unbeliefs. A lot of what we do and
[33:13] how we define ourselves is in terms of
[33:16] the way of the things that we don't
[33:17] believe. I, you know, I don't I never
[33:19] vote for any politicians. I vote against
[33:21] politicians or, you know, my parents had
[33:23] this belief growing up and and and I
[33:26] walked away from I don't believe that
[33:27] anymore. interrogate your unbelief. This
[33:30] is a learning experience about the
[33:32] serious business of you and it'll it'll
[33:34] give you an incentive to to go look for
[33:37] big new things. It's so awesome. You're
[33:39] going to love it. As a matter of fact,
[33:40] be a lifelong learner. Now, the easiest
[33:42] way to do that is always be reading a
[33:45] book. There's always a book that you're
[33:46] reading. I'm always working on
[33:48] something. Now, a lot of it is because
[33:50] this is what I do for a living and and I
[33:52] I'm I'm I'm about ideas and so I always
[33:56] need to learn new things, but the stuff
[33:57] is blowing my mind constantly. And it's
[34:00] a really good idea to to read outside
[34:02] your silo. If you read If you like to
[34:04] read novels, also read biographies. If
[34:06] you like to read biographies, also read
[34:08] science. If you like to read science,
[34:11] read more fiction. That kind of thing.
[34:13] But learning, learning, learning by
[34:14] reading, reading, reading is a good way
[34:16] to do it. Now, if you're not a reading
[34:18] learner, which some people aren't, a lot
[34:19] of people who have been diagnosed with
[34:21] children with ADHD, they learn a lot
[34:23] more by hearing and watching, but then
[34:25] use technology for exactly that. Don't
[34:28] use technology to to to fritter away
[34:30] your time. That's a dumb use of your
[34:32] time. Always be using your time, your
[34:35] free time to be learning propulsively.
[34:37] And that means make a list of the things
[34:39] that you want to learn and then start
[34:40] marching through it. The most
[34:42] astonishing thing about YouTube, for
[34:44] example, is that you type something in
[34:46] that you want to learn about, you're
[34:47] going to get a serious scholar on that
[34:49] if you look for it. You can also get a
[34:51] charlatan,
[34:52] but be a, you know, be discerning in the
[34:55] people that you're actually watching.
[34:56] And it's it's it's actually incredible
[34:59] how much easier it is to learn in the
[35:00] past. But that has to be a priority in
[35:02] your life if you want to get older and
[35:04] happier at the same time. Okay, that's
[35:08] one through six. Now, the biggie. I've
[35:10] saved the best for last. Number seven.
[35:12] This is the one, folks. This is the one
[35:14] that you really want.
[35:16] Love.
[35:18] You probably knew I was going to say
[35:19] that if you followed my work. Um, and
[35:21] and the reason is this. The guy who ran
[35:24] the study before Bob Walding or the
[35:26] Harvard study of adult development that
[35:28] all of this is based on is George
[35:30] Valiant. George Valiant ran the study
[35:32] and he actually wrote an article. It's
[35:33] going into the show notes. It's a an
[35:36] article in the American Journal of
[35:37] Psychiatry that was published in 2001
[35:39] called Successful Aging. And that's
[35:42] where these seven habits were enumerated
[35:44] was in that article. So go read the
[35:46] original article. It's it's a great
[35:47] read. You're you you'll really enjoy it.
[35:49] George Valiant was asked after he wrote
[35:51] that article in a couple of best-selling
[35:53] books about getting happier as you get
[35:54] older. Just sum up all of it, you know,
[35:57] give me a couple of words that I can
[35:58] remember. What's the bumper sticker for
[36:00] the Harvard study of adult development?
[36:02] He said, and I quote, "Happiness is
[36:04] love. Full stop." I mean, it's not
[36:07] happiness is quitting smoking, full
[36:09] stop. That's important. That's one of
[36:11] the seven habits. But the biggie is
[36:12] habit seven, which is love
[36:14] relationships. You're not going to be in
[36:17] the happy well category, friends, if you
[36:20] don't have serious, real love
[36:22] relationships. And you're not going to
[36:24] get them mysteriously for the first time
[36:26] in your life when you're 90. It's not
[36:29] going to happen. You need to make that
[36:31] investment starting today. Now, I know
[36:33] what you're asking. What kind? Love is a
[36:36] very blunt word in English. We don't
[36:40] have a good language for love. The
[36:41] Greeks talk about love. And the Greeks
[36:44] really had a great vocabulary for love.
[36:46] As a matter of fact, I mean, the two
[36:48] languages that I live my life and my
[36:50] home life in are English and Spanish.
[36:51] English has love. Spanish is amar and
[36:55] and those are two different verbs for
[36:56] it, which is a little bit better. But
[36:59] Greek has seven seven different words
[37:02] for love. I mean you think of you think
[37:04] of aeros which is romantic love. You
[37:07] think of filia which is friendship. You
[37:10] think of agape which is divine love for
[37:13] God. But there's four more. The whole
[37:15] point is that it can be kind of
[37:17] dissected and split apart in different
[37:19] ways and and the whole point is having
[37:21] this magnificent portfolio of love in
[37:26] your life. The more that you have the
[37:27] better off you're going to be. Now,
[37:28] there's especially two kinds of
[37:30] relationships that are characteristic of
[37:32] being happy and old. Um, happy and well
[37:34] when you're old, I should say. You don't
[37:37] need both. You need one. Both is great,
[37:39] but you need one. Number one is a
[37:43] stable, long-term happy marriage. Okay?
[37:47] Or stable, long-term happy friendships.
[37:51] Okay? So, you can be you can have a
[37:53] series of unfortunate romances and wind
[37:56] up single when you're old and still be
[37:58] just as happy and be in that quadrant,
[38:00] but you have to have super deep
[38:01] friendships. Or you can actually not
[38:05] have as many close friends as you should
[38:07] and would like to, but have a very very
[38:09] good marriage. But you got to have one
[38:10] or the other. And it's even better if
[38:11] you've got both obviously. I mean, it's
[38:13] multiplicative is the whole point. But
[38:14] my whole point is not to tell you that
[38:17] if marriage doesn't work out for you
[38:18] that you can't be happy. No, friendships
[38:21] are great, too, but you need one of
[38:22] these two things. Now, I'll talk in
[38:25] future episodes because this is a whole
[38:27] thing. And one of the major areas that I
[38:29] study is the success of romantic
[38:31] relationships. How to how to fall in
[38:33] love and stay in love. That's the most
[38:35] popular unit of my MBA class at Harvard
[38:38] is literally called falling in love and
[38:40] staying in love. That deserves its whole
[38:42] episode u multiple episodes, seasons on
[38:46] that because it's super interesting and
[38:48] super cool and super fun. the whole
[38:49] thing. Let me say just to say a minute
[38:51] on friendship and I'll do episodes on
[38:53] friendship in the future as well. The
[38:55] problem that a lot of people have who've
[38:58] had really good lives on paper but wind
[38:59] up sad and sick is that they have
[39:02] friends but they're deal friends. You
[39:05] know, friendships of transaction,
[39:07] friendships of convenience. And there's
[39:09] nothing wrong with friendships of
[39:11] convenience. These are the people at
[39:12] work who they don't know what your kids'
[39:14] names are, but but you know, they like
[39:16] you as soon as their work finishes. So
[39:19] does the friendship is the problem. What
[39:21] you need is less deal and more real in
[39:23] your friendships. Real friends love you.
[39:26] Real friends are not useful. They're
[39:29] they're useless. They're cosmically
[39:31] beautifully useless. Not worthless.
[39:34] They're useless in this that there's
[39:36] that in in Greek you'd say they don't
[39:38] have a tilos. They're atelic. They don't
[39:41] have this the kind of worldly purpose to
[39:44] them. And I've got a few friends like
[39:45] this that I just love and and it
[39:47] wouldn't matter what I do for a living.
[39:49] You know, they don't need me for
[39:51] something in their jobs and I don't need
[39:53] them for something in my job. We just
[39:54] love each other and we're going to text
[39:56] each other. I have a friend who texts me
[39:59] he's not my religion and he texts me
[40:02] holy verses from his own religion which
[40:04] just I love. It's beautiful. I learn and
[40:06] it's wonderful and and and I value that
[40:09] so much and I'm so grateful for it. But
[40:11] that's the characteristic of those of
[40:13] that people in the in the healthy well
[40:15] who are basing that love on friendship.
[40:17] That's what they have in common. Okay.
[40:18] Now, why do I tell you this? You got to
[40:20] start that now. Real friendships don't
[40:22] start like in the nick of time. You're
[40:24] not on your deathbed and form a real
[40:26] friendship and say see you and check
[40:28] out. It takes a lot of work actually. It
[40:31] takes commitment. It takes it takes uh
[40:34] investment. So that's what it comes down
[40:36] to. Happiness is love. Love is
[40:38] happiness. Full stop.
[40:40] That's really what we're talking about
[40:42] on how you can get happier as you get
[40:44] older. Okay, let me sum up here. And I
[40:46] know you've seen the captions so far.
[40:48] Habit number one, don't smoke. Hab habit
[40:52] number two, careful with substances.
[40:55] Habit number three is is proper diet.
[40:59] Habit number four, prioritize movement.
[41:03] Happy uh happiness habit number five,
[41:06] practice coping.
[41:08] Have your coping practice, you might
[41:09] say. Number six, keep learning. Number
[41:13] seven, happiness is love. That's what it
[41:16] comes down to. That's your big seven. Do
[41:18] those things, you're not going to be
[41:20] unhappy. Now, there's one thing I would
[41:21] add to it that he didn't study very much
[41:23] in this in in these data, which is your
[41:26] spiritual life. And and part of the
[41:28] reason that's not in the list, that's
[41:30] not number eight, is because that wasn't
[41:31] a priority of this research, but it is a
[41:33] priority of my research. So, I'm going
[41:36] to come back to that. That's my number
[41:38] eight is prioritize a spiritual or
[41:41] philosophical life if you're not
[41:43] religious. What does that mean? Future
[41:46] episode, but prioritize that as well.
[41:48] So, we'll add that as my as Arthur's
[41:50] number eight to these top seven. We
[41:52] don't have much time left, but we do
[41:54] have time for some questions because the
[41:55] questions are phenomenal. The questions
[41:57] are so great. So, I want to take three.
[41:59] I want to take three. Now, this first
[42:01] one is from Lelay Maruela. Um, and Lei
[42:05] wrote in on Spotify. Thanks. Thanks, Le,
[42:07] for writing in. How does uh what makes
[42:11] people happy vary as people get older?
[42:13] It's a good question for this. In other
[42:14] words, is what makes you happy when
[42:16] you're 25 the same thing it makes you
[42:18] happy when you're 55? Uh the answer is
[42:20] yes and no. The yeses are all pretty
[42:23] obvious. You want love when you're 25.
[42:25] You want love when you're 55, but you
[42:27] want love from different people at 25
[42:28] than at 55. For and when you're 25, you
[42:31] want your mom's love probably. When
[42:32] you're 55, it's very likely that mom's
[42:34] not around. And so that's there's going
[42:35] to be a changing of the guard by the
[42:37] time you're 55. I hope mom is still
[42:40] around, but by the time I was 55, my
[42:41] parents were long gone. Um, so there's
[42:44] some of that. There's just the natural
[42:45] things that happen with age. But love is
[42:48] going to be something that you need.
[42:49] Something else that's actually kind of
[42:51] different, by the way, is that you'll be
[42:53] on average better self-managing
[42:56] emotionally at 55 than you are at 25.
[42:57] You just are. And here's a really
[42:59] interesting thing. As you get older, you
[43:02] will find that you have the same
[43:03] negative and basic and positive emotions
[43:06] as when you were a young adult. And
[43:08] that's because the lyic system is the
[43:09] same. It doesn't change. And emotions
[43:11] are not there to give you a nice or
[43:12] crummy day. Emotions are there to give
[43:14] you a signal that something as a threat
[43:17] or an opportunity has crossed your
[43:18] horizon. So, you should avoid it or you
[43:20] should approach it. That's all emotions
[43:22] are. Are the strategic warning or alert
[43:25] system for you. But here's the thing
[43:27] that does change. You learn as you get
[43:30] older that emotions don't last. When
[43:32] you're 25 and somebody breaks up with
[43:33] you, you're like, I'm going to be sad
[43:34] forever. Or you think when you're 25
[43:37] often, if I get that job, I'm going to
[43:40] be so happy forever. And the answer is
[43:42] no, you're not in both cases because
[43:44] emotions can't last. They can't last
[43:46] because homeostatically, which means you
[43:49] have to go back into your equilibrium.
[43:51] You have to be ready for the next
[43:52] emotions because emotions keep you alive
[43:54] and surviving. They're supposed to give
[43:56] you information about what's going on
[43:58] right now, not what happened 10 years
[44:00] ago. I mean, sometimes you get a sweet
[44:02] or bitter memory, but that's kind of it.
[44:04] What you figure out as you get older
[44:06] that emotions don't last, even though
[44:08] mother nature tells you that they're
[44:10] going to so that you'll react
[44:12] appropriately. This is one of mother
[44:13] nature's tricks. Mother nature says,
[44:15] "You're going to be sad forever, so you
[44:17] better avoid that circumstance." Or,
[44:19] "You're going to love it forever if you
[44:20] get that gazelle. You're going to be so
[44:22] happy forever." She's lying to you so
[44:24] that you'll stay in the hunt, but you're
[44:26] not. And when you're my age or 20 years
[44:29] older than me, you've got that figured
[44:31] out. And so, somebody cuts you off in
[44:33] traffic and flips you the bird or
[44:35] something, it bums you out when you're
[44:37] my age for like a minute because the
[44:41] next thought that crosses your mind when
[44:43] you're my age is, you know, that's not
[44:45] going to bother me in an hour. So, I'm
[44:47] going to get a head start on not caring
[44:49] right now. Now the reason I say that Lei
[44:52] is that you can use that information
[44:54] now. You can move that into your
[44:55] prefrontal cortex and manage your
[44:58] emotions by understanding something that
[45:00] took me decades to actually figure out
[45:02] through experience. So that's one of the
[45:04] ways that happiness changes over time as
[45:05] well. The other thing I'll mention is
[45:08] that the enjoyment part of happiness
[45:09] remember happiness is enjoyment
[45:11] satisfaction and meaning that the
[45:13] enjoyment part changes because your
[45:15] sophistication about the things about
[45:16] which you get enjoyment changes. You
[45:19] know, if you like to have a glass of
[45:20] wine when you're 25, it's probably not
[45:22] the same wine you're going to like when
[45:24] you're 45 and have a little bit more
[45:26] experience with wine and a little bit
[45:28] more and a little bit more money. You're
[45:31] going to like you're going to say, "Oh,
[45:32] that stuff was rot gut." And you're not
[45:34] going to like it. Now, again, go back to
[45:37] uh habit number two from the seven
[45:38] habits. At 45, you might have cut out
[45:41] all the wine at that point, which is not
[45:43] bad for your happiness, quite frankly,
[45:44] but you get my point, right? you tend to
[45:47] have a higher sophistication in music as
[45:50] you get older just because you've
[45:51] listened to more music and your
[45:52] education changes. That's kind of how
[45:54] happiness changes. Great question.
[45:57] Question number two, this is from Nick
[45:59] Dagghastino, also from from Spotify.
[46:01] Thanks Nick for your question. Is
[46:02] happiness relative? Do happy people all
[46:05] experience life with the same level of
[46:07] enjoyment or does it vary? And the
[46:09] answer is, yeah, there's a lot of
[46:12] difference between people. And that gets
[46:13] back to the genetics I talked about
[46:15] earlier in this episode. 50% of your
[46:18] baseline mood, this is how you feel when
[46:20] you first kind of wake up in the morning
[46:21] most days, um, it's genetic. And we know
[46:24] that from the identical twins where they
[46:26] they rate their happiness. And and you
[46:28] find that 50% of how you mostly wake up
[46:31] and what you go back to, um, after, you
[46:33] know, being moved in and out of your
[46:35] baseline by varying circumstances across
[46:38] the day. that that's a genetic thing. I
[46:40] mean, your your mom or dad or whatever
[46:42] account for it a lot. I've mentioned it
[46:44] before in this in this show. Um, that's
[46:47] actually my problem. You know, I have
[46:48] kind of I come from very gloomy stock
[46:51] and so I got to work harder on on my
[46:54] habits because I need to manage my
[46:55] genetics. Exactly what I talked about in
[46:57] the case of substance abuse earlier in
[46:59] the episode. So, do people all
[47:01] experience life with the same level of
[47:03] enjoyment, satisfaction, and meaning?
[47:04] Nope. They have different tendencies.
[47:07] And that means some people aka me and
[47:10] some of you have to work harder on our
[47:12] habits. And that's a blessing. You and I
[47:14] are held to a higher standard. And
[47:16] that's what has to make us elite
[47:18] happiness athletes. That's what has to
[47:21] make us good at this better habits. And
[47:24] when people admire you for doing that,
[47:26] then they're going to copy these habits
[47:28] and they're going to get happier. And
[47:29] that's your apostlate. That's your
[47:31] mission. Congratulations. It's harder
[47:33] for you and that means you're going to
[47:34] do better at it. Okay. Number three is
[47:36] from Stephanie Baines. She she wrote in
[47:38] to office hours atarththurbrooks.com.
[47:40] Here's the email address. There's the
[47:42] email address right in. Thanks,
[47:44] Stephanie.
[47:45] She says, uh, I recent Oh, this is a
[47:48] good one. And I got to read the
[47:49] question. It's going to take a second. I
[47:51] accepted a new position just recently.
[47:53] I'll be commuting a long distance every
[47:54] day. Stephanie's going to have a two
[47:56] plus hour eachway
[47:59] commute. That's a lot of commuting
[48:02] daily. daily.
[48:04] Uh, moving is not an option. I've done
[48:07] this commute before and I'm hoping to
[48:08] figure out how to increase happiness on
[48:10] this commute. I remember you saying,
[48:13] she's followed my work for a while. You
[48:15] can't decrease unhappiness by increasing
[48:17] happiness. The is the only answer really
[48:20] just removing the commute? Do I turn
[48:22] down the job? Okay, great question. Um,
[48:25] commutes are brutal. And the reason I
[48:27] know this is from a study that I'll put
[48:29] in the show notes. This is from uh Conan
[48:31] and Krueger. uh from 2004 2005 in the
[48:36] the
[48:38] memory serves the proceedings of the
[48:39] National Academy of Sciences journal uh
[48:41] it's going in the show notes if I got
[48:42] that wrong and what they found was that
[48:44] commuting was one of the the the the
[48:46] things that people do every day that
[48:48] brings the most negative a effect so
[48:50] living close to work won't bring you
[48:52] happiness but living far away from work
[48:54] generally speaking will bring you more
[48:55] unhappiness and so that Stephanie I know
[48:57] that this is a great job and that this
[48:59] great job you know you're going to earn
[49:00] your success and serve others going be
[49:02] great. It's going to raise your
[49:03] happiness. It's going to raise your
[49:04] happiness. But the commute's going to
[49:06] raise your unhappiness
[49:08] unless you manage the negative a effect
[49:11] that that brings very very proposively.
[49:14] Okay. What this has to be going forward
[49:18] is not you know unfortunately I have two
[49:20] hours each way. It has to be I get two
[49:23] hours each way to do very specific
[49:26] things that I want to do with my life.
[49:29] That's what it has to come down to.
[49:31] Those two hours are work hours in the
[49:33] business of Stephaness. Okay, that's
[49:36] really important. And here's what I
[49:38] recommend. And here's this is based on
[49:39] the research and also my experience. I
[49:42] would recommend doing three things in
[49:44] your commute. And that means your
[49:45] commute time is precious time. Don't
[49:48] don't fritter it away. Don't listen to,
[49:51] you know, a podcast you're not
[49:52] interested in. Listen to this podcast.
[49:54] No, but do don't don't waste it
[49:57] listening to dumb, you know, drive time
[49:59] radio, which is mostly stupid ads. Don't
[50:02] do it. Here's number one. Number one is
[50:05] contemplation, meditation or prayer. And
[50:08] again, not the kind of contemplation
[50:09] that you know, single point meditation
[50:11] that puts you into a trance and then
[50:13] that's dangerous for traffic, but you
[50:15] get the point. Something that actually
[50:17] puts you into a meditative space that is
[50:19] your thing. For me, I pray the rosary,
[50:21] which is an ancient Catholic uh
[50:23] meditation. When I have to do something
[50:24] that entails a long drive, and there
[50:26] have been times when I have, you know, a
[50:28] half an hour commute or something, the
[50:29] first 20 minutes are my rosary. So, I
[50:31] use that time, which is really, really
[50:33] beneficial, something that is me and
[50:35] that I want to do. Really important to
[50:37] me. So, find your contemplative
[50:39] tradition that starts your commute.
[50:41] Okay. Morning, evening, maybe both.
[50:44] Second, calls. I mean, this is the great
[50:47] thing. I mean, the hands-free technology
[50:48] that we got now is just so good. And
[50:50] there's a lot of research that shows
[50:52] that that really in a lot of ways that
[50:54] calling is better for your communication
[50:56] than than even Zoom for lots of
[50:58] different reasons. I won't go maybe I'll
[51:00] go into it in a future episode, but but
[51:01] suffice it to say that that hands-free
[51:03] technology, calling, talking to somebody
[51:05] when you're in the phone, uh when you're
[51:06] in the car, can be very actually quite
[51:08] intimate, but you got to program those
[51:10] things. Number one is there's going to
[51:11] be some calls for work usually on the
[51:13] way home and on the way in. That's your
[51:15] real friends. program it so that you're
[51:18] doing it at the same time as somebody
[51:19] else and you're on a schedule so it's
[51:21] not serendipitous. You're not going
[51:22] through your entire book and hoping
[51:24] somebody's in. So make sure that you've
[51:26] got a good, you know, half hour slot on
[51:28] most days. This is a great way to deepen
[51:32] your real friendships because you're
[51:33] programming your commuting time to do
[51:35] just that. Me and my buddy Frank, we
[51:37] talk when we're on we're in the car a
[51:39] lot. It's great. And you know, he lives
[51:40] in Atlanta and and I don't live in
[51:42] Atlanta, but we talk to each other a lot
[51:45] because that's when we're actually using
[51:46] our time. And number three is learning,
[51:48] learning, learning, learning. That's the
[51:50] biggest part of it is going to be books
[51:52] and podcasts on the things that you
[51:53] really care about. Books is great
[51:55] because you can make a list of the books
[51:56] that you want to read. You Spotify is
[51:58] fantastic for this. Spotify has a huge
[52:01] library of books that you have access to
[52:03] and just start walking through it. Man,
[52:05] you're going to get through so many
[52:06] books that you've always wanted to read.
[52:08] Some of them are hard, you know, to when
[52:11] you're not looking at the words on the
[52:12] page and when a when when the when the
[52:14] guy or woman reading the book goes too
[52:16] fast. I get it. But there are lots of
[52:18] things, not just novels, things that you
[52:20] can actually uh read. Many people say,
[52:23] "You read me your book on my commute.
[52:26] It's so gratifying when people tell me
[52:27] that or podcasts, you know, things that
[52:28] are really nutritious and and positive
[52:30] for you." I hope, Stephanie, that office
[52:33] hours becomes part of your commute. If
[52:34] you do those three things and you
[52:36] program those hours, you're going to
[52:38] look forward to your commute. You're
[52:39] going to get smarter, more informed, and
[52:40] happier as a result of it. And that's
[52:43] what's going to reduce the unhappiness
[52:45] part of it, maybe even to zero.
[52:48] Okay, friends, that's all we got time
[52:50] for today. I hope you've enjoyed office
[52:52] hours listening and watching as much as
[52:54] I've enjoyed doing this. Um, this gives
[52:57] me so much energy. Um, please let me
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[53:17] your mind. And I'm really looking
[53:18] forward in the future weeks telling you
[53:20] what's on mine. Thanks very much, and
[53:21] I'll see you next week.