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[0:02] Good afternoon, good evening, and
[0:06] where is the people online?
[0:10] Right up there.
[0:14] Welcome to all of you from
[0:17] all over, wherever you are.
[0:21] It would I would could say it's
[0:22] wonderful to see you, but I can't see
[0:24] you, so it's wonderful to be with you
[0:27] in the way that we are.
[0:30] So, um I'm so happy to be here at
[0:34] Tassajara at
[0:37] >> [laughter]
[0:40] >> And I, you know, every time I come here,
[0:43] I'm just in awe of the
[0:46] of the work and the love and the
[0:49] commitment over all these years that
[0:53] each person who comes here brings and
[0:56] contributes to.
[0:58] We have um
[1:00] wonderful residents.
[1:02] We have a history of wonderful
[1:05] residents. Wonderful teachers,
[1:08] wonderful uh local Sangha members and
[1:11] visitors from all over.
[1:14] And of course, uh deep gratitude for
[1:18] Roshi Joan who whose vision
[1:22] allowed this place to come into being
[1:25] and to stay into being, which is a tall
[1:28] order these days.
[1:30] So, her work, her vision, her
[1:35] uh commitment uh just goes on and on and
[1:40] we are so deeply grateful
[1:42] for her, to her, and for all the people
[1:45] who have committed
[1:47] their time, their love, their commitment
[1:49] to
[1:51] make Upaya be
[1:53] a practice place for all kinds of
[1:56] people, a refuge.
[2:00] So,
[2:01] >> [clears throat]
[2:02] >> this is always an exciting moment
[2:04] because
[2:05] as you know, I I wrote this, you know, I
[2:08] finished reading writing it and I had it
[2:11] printed and that was a couple of hours
[2:13] ago and I can't really say for sure that
[2:15] I remember what I wrote. So,
[2:18] we'll find out.
[2:20] >> [laughter]
[2:22] >> Um
[2:24] uh as Kodo said, I am going to talk a
[2:26] little bit about Zen history first of
[2:28] all.
[2:29] Um
[2:30] how
[2:32] first of all, how Soto Zen tradition
[2:34] differentiated from Rinzai.
[2:38] And that happened gradually
[2:40] primarily in Japan.
[2:43] So, Japanese ancestor Hakuin created
[2:48] undoubted- undoubtedly in collaboration
[2:50] with others
[2:52] the codified curriculum of koan
[2:55] practice.
[2:57] In which students a student is given
[2:59] successive koans to work with, meets
[3:02] with the teacher repeatedly
[3:04] uh to demonstrate her understanding
[3:07] until each koan is mastered according to
[3:10] the requirements of the curriculum.
[3:14] Hakuin was a beloved and highly
[3:16] acclaimed Japanese Rinzai Zen teacher.
[3:20] There's a famous story about him in
[3:22] which
[3:23] a young woman accused him of fathering
[3:26] her child.
[3:29] The young woman and her family go to
[3:31] Hakuin's temple to hand him the baby
[3:35] and confront him with this.
[3:37] His only response is, "Oh, is that so?"
[3:44] He took in and he cared for the baby.
[3:48] The young woman
[3:50] felt badly about this.
[3:52] And at sometime later, she confessed to
[3:55] her father, to her family, what she had
[3:58] done.
[3:59] That is, falsely accused Hakuin of
[4:02] fathering her child.
[4:05] Horrified by the news, the family came
[4:08] to the temple
[4:11] to apologize to Hakuin
[4:14] and take back the baby.
[4:16] Hakuin's response was, "Oh, is that so?"
[4:22] So,
[4:24] Hakuin's reputation was badly damaged
[4:28] and was not ever repaired
[4:31] by this event.
[4:33] Yet, he never defended himself, nor
[4:36] blamed anyone else.
[4:39] Defending himself would mean accusing
[4:41] someone else, and he wasn't willing to
[4:43] do that.
[4:47] Hakuin lived in Japan from 1686 to 1769,
[4:53] which is when the 13 American colonies
[4:56] were gaining identities,
[4:59] fighting in the French and Indian Wars,
[5:03] seeing
[5:04] increased friction with Great Britain
[5:06] over taxation and territorial expansion
[5:10] west into Native American land.
[5:14] This is many centuries later than the
[5:18] collected koans from the Tang Dynasty,
[5:21] almost a thousand years later.
[5:25] During those nearly thousand years,
[5:29] koans were collected,
[5:31] commentaries were written,
[5:33] and they were used as teaching tools
[5:36] or teaching inspiration.
[5:40] A few years ago at Upaya, here at Upaya
[5:43] during fall practice period,
[5:46] excuse me.
[6:12] So a few years ago at Upaya during fall
[6:14] practice period
[6:16] we studied Hongzhi.
[6:19] He was a brilliant and beautiful Chinese
[6:22] in ancestor who we would consider Soto.
[6:27] He taught silent illumination.
[6:30] Yet his best buddy and contemporary was
[6:34] Dahui
[6:36] who we would consider a Rinzai teacher,
[6:39] kind of a kick-butt Rinzai teacher.
[6:43] These best friends sparred with each
[6:46] other while maintaining mutual respect
[6:50] and warm friendship.
[6:53] In fact Hongzhi bequeathed his temple to
[6:56] Dahui when he died.
[6:59] He also asked him to do his memorial
[7:02] service for him.
[7:04] So these were close friends
[7:08] and their teaching style was different
[7:12] but they
[7:13] they
[7:14] uh
[7:15] they learned from each other, they they
[7:18] nurtured each other as they as they came
[7:22] forward with their own style of
[7:24] teaching.
[7:29] So this tells us
[7:32] that the divide between Soto and Rinzai
[7:36] was not really firm and solidified.
[7:39] It became so later in Japan.
[7:44] Hongzhi
[7:45] uh lived three Dharma generations before
[7:48] Dogen came to China.
[7:51] Uh so, Hongzhi's years were 1091 to
[7:55] 1157, so 12th century mostly.
[7:58] And uh
[7:59] Dogen came to China in 1223, so he
[8:03] uh he came well after Hongzhi died, but
[8:06] the next century.
[8:09] And Dogen met his teacher Rujing,
[8:14] uh
[8:14] who was the Dharma great-grandson of
[8:17] Hongzhi. So, Hongzhi to Rujing to Dogen
[8:20] was um
[8:22] uh there was a a continuity there.
[8:29] And it was another from from that time,
[8:32] from Rujing and Dogen, it was another
[8:34] 500 years
[8:35] before Hakuin,
[8:37] who was the one who codified codified
[8:40] the
[8:41] um the koans
[8:45] in the Rinzai tradition.
[8:48] And there are three main koan
[8:50] collections that we know, that we know
[8:53] and use. The Blue Cliff Record or the
[8:55] Hekiganroku,
[8:57] the Gateless Gate or the Mumonkan,
[9:00] and the Book of Serenity or the Book of
[9:02] Equanimity, the Shoyoroku.
[9:06] Many of the same koans appear in two out
[9:08] of three
[9:10] uh
[9:11] uh of these uh koan collections,
[9:14] uh but there are um there's a little
[9:16] different emphasis in them.
[9:22] A pattern we can notice in many koans
[9:25] are that the questions are general
[9:28] and the answer specific.
[9:32] I'd like to talk about this observation
[9:34] for a few minutes.
[9:37] If we ask ourselves where we find
[9:40] general and where we find specific, we
[9:44] might see that generalizations
[9:47] are conjured by the mind.
[9:50] They are intellectual.
[9:53] Experiences that are momentary to eyes,
[9:56] ears, nose, tongue, and body
[9:59] are specific.
[10:01] They cannot be other than specific.
[10:05] We don't perceive sounds as
[10:07] generalizations.
[10:09] They are loud or soft, high or low
[10:12] pitch.
[10:14] They have a timbre, etc.
[10:17] We don't sense pain as a generalization.
[10:23] Pain is specific.
[10:25] Characterized by sharp or dull,
[10:28] specifically located, etc.
[10:32] Our mind is a sense.
[10:35] You know, in the Heart Sutra,
[10:38] eyes, ears, nose, tongue, body, and
[10:40] mind, they're all lined up together.
[10:47] And according to Buddhist teaching, it's
[10:49] one of the senses.
[10:54] In the Upaya translation of the Heart
[10:56] Sutra, we chant realm of eyes
[11:00] to realm of mind consciousness. So,
[11:02] realm of eyes, realm of ears, and so on,
[11:05] realm to realm of mind consciousness.
[11:08] So, the realm of eyes
[11:11] is light waves.
[11:14] That's what we see with our eyes,
[11:17] light.
[11:19] The realm of ears is sound waves.
[11:23] That's what we hear.
[11:27] The realm of mind is synthesis.
[11:32] Mind synthesizes.
[11:36] It collaborates with the other senses to
[11:38] create a perceived functional pattern
[11:43] that we can act on.
[11:46] When I'm working at my desk and I hear
[11:49] the sound of rain on the roof,
[11:52] I look out and I see the day has grown
[11:55] darker.
[11:57] I'm likely to locate my umbrella and
[11:59] place it by my shoes for when I go
[12:02] outside.
[12:05] The information came from my eyes and
[12:07] ears.
[12:08] The action plan came from mind.
[12:14] As we know, mind is a busy bee.
[12:19] It's likely to synthesize this and that
[12:21] to no purpose or to negative purpose,
[12:25] like repetitive self-doubt,
[12:27] clinging to this and that even when
[12:30] there is
[12:31] even when there is a known destructive
[12:33] outcome.
[12:35] Mind is often
[12:37] on high functioning mode
[12:40] >> [clears throat]
[12:40] >> even when there is nothing needed.
[12:44] Meditation instructions often includes
[12:47] or is even defined by quieting the mind.
[13:06] I once read a book called The Moral
[13:07] Animal by Robert [clears throat] Wright.
[13:09] I think it came out in the '90s,
[13:12] in which he talked about camouflage in
[13:15] animals.
[13:18] As you probably know, camouflage is a
[13:20] defense strategy usually for tricking a
[13:22] predator,
[13:24] for example, becoming small, still, and
[13:27] invisible.
[13:29] You know, I'm a [clears throat] retired
[13:30] school teacher, and I know that some
[13:32] kids use this strategy as
[13:35] uh so as not to be noticed in the
[13:37] classroom,
[13:38] to avoid speaking up.
[13:40] This behavior can pursue a person into
[13:43] adulthood.
[13:45] We notice in Dharma discussions that
[13:47] some people always hold back,
[13:50] and some always come forward.
[13:54] Another camouflage strategy is to look
[13:57] like a different animal that has an
[13:59] effective defense.
[14:02] For example, the monarch butterfly is
[14:04] toxic when eaten by birds
[14:07] and other animals. It probably won't
[14:09] kill them, but it gives them a nasty
[14:12] stomach ache, such that they will leave
[14:14] monarchs alone after that, and tell
[14:17] their family and their neighbors to do
[14:19] the same.
[14:22] Several other butterfly species
[14:25] have evolved similar coloring to the
[14:28] monarch, tricking animals into thinking
[14:30] that they are monarchs, and therefore
[14:33] avoid being eaten by birds,
[14:35] at least some at least somewhat.
[14:38] So, basically, the butterfly is lying.
[14:44] Well,
[14:45] according to Wright's speculation, this
[14:48] is a model for human behavior
[14:51] that we all know well.
[14:53] That is, lying.
[14:57] And as it turns out, we aren't such good
[15:00] liars unless we believe the lie we tell
[15:02] ourselves.
[15:05] So, self-deception,
[15:07] according to this book, is an
[15:09] evolutionary survival strategy.
[15:14] I'm not presenting this as a fact. It's
[15:17] I think it's pretty speculative,
[15:19] uh but even so, it's a useful example of
[15:23] what we're up against in our effort to
[15:26] purify the mind.
[15:29] Namely, evolutionary inheritance.
[15:34] Mind,
[15:36] capable of all kinds of wonders, as well
[15:39] as destructive and self-destructive
[15:41] thoughts,
[15:43] then is a major focus in Buddhist
[15:46] practice.
[15:50] There are lots of books about training
[15:52] the mind
[15:54] because our chimeric, fast-moving mind
[15:58] easily goes off the rails.
[16:02] Zen practice,
[16:05] beautifully articulated in the teachings
[16:07] of Joshu,
[16:09] asks us to [clears throat] learn to give
[16:11] mind a break,
[16:14] to allow it to rest.
[16:17] What sound, sight, body feeling without
[16:22] or with very little mental filter.
[16:34] On this So, I mentioned, let's see, a
[16:36] couple pages ago that the um
[16:40] that um
[16:43] mind
[16:44] tends to generalize and
[16:46] the senses are always specific.
[16:49] So, I want to tell you a little story
[16:51] about um
[16:54] me,
[16:55] uh something that happened to me about 6
[16:57] months ago. I've told some of you
[16:59] already.
[17:00] And [clears throat]
[17:01] um
[17:02] and what I learned from it. And it's
[17:04] what I learned from it that I want to
[17:06] actually tell you, but I have to tell
[17:07] you the story. So, [snorts] I like to
[17:09] run a little bit, even though I'm kind
[17:10] of old, I still like to run a little
[17:12] bit. I just love it. So, I was running
[17:16] on a trail near my house, near our house
[17:18] in Muir Beach,
[17:20] and I tripped over a rock and fell on my
[17:22] face. Full
[17:24] full, you know,
[17:26] full, you know,
[17:28] a plan. So, yeah, my son I talked to my
[17:31] son, he said my son said he said Aaron
[17:33] said,
[17:34] "Mom, that's called a face plant."
[17:38] So,
[17:39] anyway, I broke my nose and
[17:42] the next day my eyes were black and
[17:44] purple and magenta and
[17:46] that's when I changed to these purple
[17:48] glasses, by the way.
[17:50] >> [laughter]
[17:53] >> And I, you know, Norman
[17:55] was at our one day sitting at Green
[17:57] Gulch and he came home and took me to
[17:59] the ER and
[18:00] I was just fine, but, you know,
[18:03] it it shakes a person up to fall like
[18:06] that and turn purple and pink.
[18:08] Um
[18:09] but after, you know, after I sort of was
[18:12] recovering and feeling my legs were
[18:14] fine, there was no it was just my face
[18:16] that took the blow.
[18:18] Um so, I thought
[18:21] I really love to run
[18:24] and I cannot fall. I am too old to fall.
[18:28] Old people cannot fall.
[18:30] >> [laughter]
[18:32] >> So, what am I going to do?
[18:33] So, I thought what I'm going to do
[18:36] is I'm going to put my full attention on
[18:40] the bottom of my feet
[18:42] when I run.
[18:44] And I'm going to see how if that helps.
[18:48] So, after that, I mean, I have been
[18:51] doing that practice before, but now I
[18:53] was really motivated because it was like
[18:57] for my safety. So, I I ran a little bit,
[19:01] I ran a little bit
[19:02] I started a little bit and then
[19:04] increased it and walked and just
[19:06] practiced
[19:08] putting my full attention on the bottom
[19:10] of my feet, each step, in contact with
[19:14] the earth, one after the other
[19:17] after the other.
[19:19] And at first, I had to kind of keep
[19:20] reminding myself, "Come on. Come on. You
[19:22] want to You want to do this, right?
[19:23] Right?" So, and then, after a while, it
[19:28] just became such a pleasure.
[19:31] It's a It's a pra- It's a beautiful
[19:33] practice, and I recommend it. It's first
[19:36] of all, I don't know about you, but when
[19:38] I'm outside walking, sometimes I'm
[19:40] flying off into never-never land or
[19:42] thinking about this and that. And it it,
[19:45] you know, puts me where I am.
[19:49] I feel in contact with the whole earth,
[19:52] my body in contact with the earth,
[19:55] and I feel safe.
[19:57] So, it's a practice that I recommend.
[20:00] And I also recommend inventing practices
[20:04] for yourselves like this
[20:07] that fit your life, that fit your need.
[20:10] That, you know, we have mindfulness
[20:14] practice and things like that, but
[20:16] you can get very specific to your body,
[20:20] your need.
[20:22] And um and especially if it if it
[20:27] if it kind of take hold the way my
[20:29] putting my attention on my feet did,
[20:32] that it's just
[20:34] a wonderful meditation.
[20:37] Um I just wanted to tell you that.
[20:42] So,
[20:46] our practice.
[20:48] Um
[20:50] sitting in the body,
[20:51] just breathing
[20:53] without too much thinking.
[20:56] Uh for me, one of the most beautiful
[20:58] expressions of this practice is in uh is
[21:02] in a koan, not of Joshu, uh I'll get to
[21:07] that, But, of Yunmen. Yunmen lived at
[21:10] the end of the Tang Dynasty
[21:12] into what's called the Five Dynasties
[21:14] Ten Kingdoms period. It was about a
[21:16] 50-year period between the Tang and the
[21:19] Song Dynasties in the, uh, 10th century.
[21:23] All right.
[21:25] Yes, 19- 900s.
[21:28] Um,
[21:30] uh, so,
[21:31] uh, here's the koan.
[21:35] Uh,
[21:36] and also we wanted to say that, so
[21:38] Yunmen's, um,
[21:40] uh, years in overlap with Zhaozhou's and
[21:44] they probably knew each other. Zhaozhou
[21:46] was a very famous, uh, Zen teacher in
[21:48] his time.
[21:51] So, this is the koan.
[21:53] A monk asks Yunmen,
[21:55] "How is it when the tree Withers and the
[21:58] leaves fall?"
[22:00] "How is it when the tree
[22:02] withers and the leaves fall?"
[22:07] Now, I said the other day somewhere
[22:09] about the question.
[22:12] Uh,
[22:13] our tendency in our culture, I don't
[22:15] know even know if it's only our culture,
[22:17] but in our culture we want the answer.
[22:19] Hop over the question and get straight
[22:21] to the answer, right?
[22:23] But, in Zen, the question has the
[22:27] energy.
[22:28] The question is energetic.
[22:30] And if you look at the koan questions,
[22:33] they're very, very good. They're very
[22:36] good, very skillful.
[22:38] And the koan survived as much on the
[22:41] questions as on the answers.
[22:45] It calls forth the human moment of
[22:48] wondering,
[22:50] a good question, of longing.
[22:53] The question is what reveals the answer.
[22:58] "How is it that the tree withers and the
[23:01] leaves fall?"
[23:03] And this question also has the sense of
[23:06] an experienced practitioner.
[23:09] And also an aging person. How is it when
[23:12] the
[23:14] tree withers and the leaves fall?
[23:17] Yunmen says, "Body exposed in the golden
[23:21] wind."
[23:24] Body exposed in the golden wind.
[23:30] Wind means breath.
[23:32] The golden wind means breath.
[23:36] Whole body consumed
[23:38] and bathed in breath.
[23:43] There's no implication or analysis here.
[23:46] It's not symbolic.
[23:48] It's just breathing as it is. Exquisite.
[23:53] Experience we have in common
[23:56] for our whole lives.
[24:00] It's a beautiful lyrical and accessible
[24:02] statement of Zen practice.
[24:04] Body exposed in the golden wind.
[24:11] What's my time?
[24:14] >> [snorts]
[24:15] >> I want to share two stories of women in
[24:17] Zen.
[24:18] Um I told you in my first talk that I
[24:20] read that Zhaozhou met with a number of
[24:23] women. Uh we don't have much record of
[24:25] this and as I mentioned in my previous
[24:27] talk, I wonder what happened to the
[24:29] records.
[24:31] But I have two stories uh with women
[24:33] that I'd like to share with you.
[24:37] The first is from James uh Green's book
[24:40] Green's book. The recorded sayings of
[24:42] Zen master Joshu. Joshu is Japanese.
[24:46] Zhaozhou is Chinese. Same guy.
[24:49] So, a nun asked,
[24:52] "Setting aside the explanations given
[24:54] until now, please instruct me.
[25:03] Setting aside the explanations given
[25:06] until now, please instruct me.
[25:09] Not a great question.
[25:11] >> [laughter]
[25:13] >> So, this nun seems to be an adept. She's
[25:16] asking him for direct response. She's
[25:20] asking him to meet her.
[25:23] Joshu shouted,
[25:25] "Burn an iron bottle to ashes."
[25:31] Burn an iron bottle to ashes, you may
[25:33] ask.
[25:34] >> [laughter]
[25:37] >> The nun then went out
[25:40] and poured the water out of an iron
[25:42] bottle and brought it to the master
[25:44] saying, "Please answer."
[25:47] And Joshu laughed.
[25:52] So,
[25:55] the word emptiness in Sanskrit, I'm
[25:57] told, means an empty vessel,
[26:01] like this iron vessel
[26:03] that the that the nun brought back to
[26:06] Joshu.
[26:11] And this empty vessel is open and ready
[26:14] to receive.
[26:16] Which which means that the word the word
[26:20] empty in Sanskrit, which is with a word
[26:24] shunyata in Sanskrit,
[26:27] um
[26:28] ha- does not have the same
[26:31] uh flavor as emptiness in English,
[26:34] which is
[26:35] sad.
[26:37] If I feel empty, you want to you want to
[26:39] give me a hug, right?
[26:41] >> [laughter]
[26:42] >> So, this is a different this is really
[26:44] has a different sense.
[26:46] It an empty
[26:48] uh container that's ready to receive.
[26:51] Huai-yang told me told us
[26:54] that uh empty in Chinese means something
[26:57] similar with open with many many
[27:01] possibilities.
[27:03] And this is what beginners mind means.
[27:06] Suzuki Roshi's beginners mind.
[27:10] Suzuki Roshi said the mind of the
[27:12] beginner in the mind of the beginner
[27:14] there are many possibilities.
[27:16] In the mind of the expert there are few.
[27:20] So the nun is saying
[27:22] by offering this empty iron vessel
[27:25] I am open. I am empty I am an empty
[27:28] vessel not filled up with prior ideas
[27:32] and so on.
[27:34] She's presenting herself that way.
[27:37] And and Joshu
[27:40] found it delightful and laughed.
[27:45] So in this koan
[27:47] you know when Joshu shouts burn an iron
[27:49] bottle to ashes
[27:51] you know
[27:54] uh
[27:57] I think I already said that.
[27:59] Anyway she presents herself emptied and
[28:01] Joshu laughed. She meets Joshu where
[28:04] they both are.
[28:06] So that was a good meeting.
[28:09] Another story
[28:11] with this style of response is this kind
[28:14] of same
[28:15] a very similar kind of response is of
[28:18] Layman Pang
[28:20] and his enlightened daughter Lingzhao.
[28:22] We studied them a few years ago for a
[28:24] practice period. Once
[28:26] when [clears throat] they were walking
[28:27] carrying their wares they crossed a
[28:29] bridge and Layman Pang fell down.
[28:32] He called out to Lingzhao help help.
[28:36] And Lingzhao ran up to him and fell down
[28:38] beside him.
[28:41] Pang said what are you doing?
[28:43] And she said I saw you fall to the
[28:45] ground so I'm helping.
[28:47] >> [laughter]
[28:50] >> And so so both of these stories have the
[28:53] sense, especially the wing towel, you
[28:55] know,
[28:57] how can we help another person?
[28:59] Can we help another person?
[29:01] We can stand by them.
[29:04] You know, both of these both of these
[29:06] koans have the sense of,
[29:08] you know, one and one,
[29:10] like that.
[29:14] Here's a story of Joshu from uh it's
[29:16] case 30 in the Blue Cliff Record.
[29:20] Um
[29:23] No, I'm good time. I'm good.
[29:29] Uh a monk asked Joshu, "Teacher, I've
[29:31] heard that you have personally seen
[29:33] Nanquan. Is that true or not?"
[29:38] Joshu said,
[29:40] uh
[29:42] "Joshu produces big turnips."
[29:49] So,
[29:50] the sense of this story is that everyone
[29:53] knows that Joshu has not only seen
[29:55] Nanquan but lived with him for 40 years.
[29:59] So, he's saying, "Have you seen
[30:00] Nanquan?" Well, it's not it's not a yes
[30:05] or no question, you know. It's a say
[30:08] something say something. Show me some
[30:10] Nanquan, you know. [clears throat]
[30:13] >> [laughter]
[30:15] >> So, the monk is either trying to catch
[30:17] Joshu
[30:19] uh pontificating you know, that
[30:21] pontificating about his famous teacher
[30:23] or the monk himself is just wanting to
[30:26] hear Joshu lose himself in memories of
[30:29] Nanquan.
[30:31] We don't know.
[30:33] But Joshu is having none of it
[30:35] and comes back with a mundane
[30:37] everyday fact that everybody knows.
[30:40] Perhaps has immediate and it perhaps has
[30:43] immediate importance.
[30:45] So, you know,
[30:47] that is about the turnips.
[30:51] These people lived at a time when there
[30:54] was tremendous
[30:56] uh political and therefore economic
[30:58] disruption.
[31:00] Uh
[31:01] um
[31:02] I'll talk about that maybe I don't know
[31:04] next week, but there's there's
[31:07] uh
[31:07] lots of stories that are not in the
[31:11] koans, but you can sort of find out
[31:13] little hints and sometimes the whole
[31:15] story.
[31:17] So, anyway, I was thinking about this,
[31:20] you know, Joshu saying something having
[31:23] Tell us about Nanquan and Joshu saying,
[31:26] "Well,
[31:28] there's these turnips, you know."
[31:30] It's kind of like uh
[31:34] it's modern-day version would be like
[31:37] "I heard that Mick Jagger once visited
[31:40] Whole Foods."
[31:41] "What did he say?"
[31:44] "What did he sing?"
[31:45] >> [laughter]
[31:47] >> And the teacher Randall answers, "Red
[31:50] lentils are on sale this week at Whole
[31:52] Foods."
[31:53] >> [laughter]
[32:01] [laughter]
[32:02] [gasps]
[32:03] >> It's a bit of a slap.
[32:05] Kind of a funny slap. And it makes the
[32:08] point to the monk. Come on back to just
[32:11] this floor, walls, and ceiling. Come on
[32:15] back.
[32:18] So, these stories can be so helpful not
[32:22] in
[32:23] not only in our zazen practice,
[32:25] also in our daily practice.
[32:28] Allow the senses to come forward and the
[32:32] mind to step back.
[32:34] Not completely, of course.
[32:36] Teach yourself to inhabit
[32:39] body more than mind.
[32:42] Teach yourself specifically.
[32:48] And when you can, because we know
[32:51] we we our mind is our superpower.
[32:56] We need and use our mind.
[32:59] But mind needs a break sometimes.
[33:07] So,
[33:08] for example,
[33:10] the pauses for mind to rest.
[33:13] When we walk from place to place, when
[33:15] we eat, when we clean up, when we bathe
[33:19] our bodies, when we brush our teeth.
[33:23] Of course, everything we do includes
[33:25] mind.
[33:26] So, I'm talking about the extra mental
[33:28] activity, the scheming, the
[33:31] anticipating, the imagining what the
[33:33] future will be, reviewing and reviewing
[33:36] again past events, past mistakes.
[33:41] Those mental activities have their place
[33:43] and time.
[33:45] But we tend to be on overdrive,
[33:47] engaged in mental activity out of habit
[33:50] or nervous anticipation
[33:54] that we can learn to let go
[33:57] by placing our attention elsewhere.
[34:00] Not by rejecting mind.
[34:03] By placing our attention elsewhere.
[34:05] Our breath, our feet, our neck, our
[34:09] back.
[34:11] Through this practice, we can support
[34:13] and encourage each other.
[34:17] We're doing this together.
[34:20] There's no other way than doing this
[34:22] together.
[34:24] It is our gift to each other
[34:27] and our gift to the people and places we
[34:29] will return to when when we leave this
[34:33] precious practice.
[34:37] Thank you very much.
[34:50] >> We have five more minutes if you'd like.
[34:53] >> What?
[34:54] >> Did you say do we have five more
[34:55] minutes?
[34:55] >> I did.
[34:56] >> Yeah, we do.
[34:57] If you'd like.
[35:02] >> Question if there's a question, we could
[35:05] we could hear a question.
[35:16] Yes.
[35:19] Oh.
[35:21] >> Hi.
[35:22] Um thank you for being here.
[35:25] Um this is my first time and how did you
[35:28] find this path at 19?
[35:34] >> Kind of a long answer.
[35:36] Let me see if I can do the short
[35:38] version.
[35:39] Well, I actually found this path when I
[35:41] was 14.
[35:43] I started reading about Zen when I was
[35:45] 14.
[35:47] And uh to make a long story short,
[35:50] I became aware around that time
[35:54] that my father
[35:56] was building anti-ballistic missiles for
[35:59] his career.
[36:00] His big His older brother was in the CIA
[36:04] and this was during the Vietnam War.
[36:06] And the eldest brother was a nuclear
[36:08] physicist who worked on the Manhattan
[36:09] Project.
[36:11] And these were really nice people, these
[36:14] guys, these my uncles and my dad, really
[36:17] sweeties.
[36:18] But I I looked at their world and I
[36:21] looked at their work
[36:23] and I knew I wanted nothing to do with
[36:25] that.
[36:27] That's That's the short answer. So, I I
[36:30] um
[36:31] I started reading books about Zen, and I
[36:34] just kind of knew, all right.
[36:36] That's what I want.
[36:47] That may be
[36:49] Do you have a question? We have a couple
[36:50] minutes.
[36:57] I think I think
[37:01] >> Um so, I actually tried that practice
[37:04] with the running cuz I also love
[37:06] running. And
[37:09] I found it a little bit like hard to
[37:11] enjoy running when I was always thinking
[37:14] about my feet. So, I'm just curious how
[37:16] >> [laughter]
[37:17] >> how it evolved for you um cuz you seem
[37:19] to enjoy the practice.
[37:21] >> Yes. Um it took a little while. I hung
[37:24] in there because for me, it was a matter
[37:26] of being able to keep running or not. I
[37:28] It was a matter of my safety. So, I
[37:30] wasn't It wasn't like an option, you
[37:32] know. So, I was just really determined
[37:34] to keep my feet on the ground
[37:37] and my face not so much on the ground.
[37:40] >> [laughter]
[37:42] >> And so, uh and and and then after doing
[37:46] that, the joy
[37:48] uh
[37:49] arose later, you know. I had to kind of
[37:51] do it for a while.
[37:59] Maybe that's our time.
[38:00] >> Yeah.