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Inspiration

How Childhood Mortality Panic Became Eat, Pray, Love

Elizabeth Gilbert
Elizabeth Gilbert
May 25, 2007
9 min read
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She sits in the Google cafeteria before the talk, marveling at a place that seems almost clandestine in its understated perfection, and later, at the podium in front of an audience she didn't know would exist, Elizabeth Gilbert holds up her book—a thin volume destined to become a cultural phenomenon—and begins to explain what no jacket copy could quite capture: that Eat, Pray, Love is not a story about a woman who decided to travel. It is a story about a woman who finally, at 30, stopped running.

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What Sparked an Existential Crisis in a Nine-Year-Old?

The running began much earlier. It began in 1978, on a summer afternoon in New England, when a girl approaching her tenth birthday experienced what she would later recognize as one of the defining moments of her life: a spontaneous and total realization of human mortality. Not triggered by a specific loss, not prompted by any external event, but arising as a pure, undeniable fact of consciousness. "I was always a precocious child," she explains, and this precocity worked against her. While other nine-year-olds were building sandcastles or riding bicycles, she was seized by a metaphysical panic normally reserved for people turning 50.

The math was simple and inescapable. She would be ten soon. Then a teenager. Then middle-aged. Then dead. Everyone would die. She could see it arriving like a train. Her older sister, whom she could clearly remember in first grade, knee socks and all, was already nearly in high school. How long before she was gone? Her parents. Her friends. Her cat. She had no spiritual framework, no words to contain the terror. Her family was Protestant but only nominally so—they said grace at Christmas and Thanksgiving, attended church sporadically. Her father found his devotion in farming, not in prayer. Her mother used the church as "headquarters from which to organize good works of volunteer service," but God himself remained a word that made New England Yankees nervous. There was no sanctuary she could enter, no ritual she could perform to make the panic stop.

What she wanted was simple and impossible: she wanted to pull the emergency brake on the universe. She had seen such brakes in New York subway cars during a school trip, and she understood their function perfectly. She wanted to call a time-out, to demand that everything stop—just stop—until she could get a grip on her thoughts. Of course it didn't work that way. The closer she watched time, the more frantically it spun. That summer was a blur of tears, each night ending with the thought: "another one gone." She was nine, and she was already grieving.

How Did She Respond to Mortality Awareness?

Over the next two decades, her response to that grief became architecture. If time was a predator and life was brief, then she would not stand still. She would experience everything. She would pack consciousness so full that death couldn't touch her because she would have already been everywhere, done everything, felt everything. She traveled constantly—Africa, Wyoming, New York. She pursued romance with an intensity that matched her hunger for place and experience. She studied, wrote, worked. She ate. She wanted to split herself into many Liz Gilberts, each living in a different country, pursuing a different passion, so that nothing would be missed, no moment wasted. Her sister's friend thought she had multiple younger sisters, each of them living a completely different life. In a sense, she did. Or tried to. Because a human being cannot be divided. A human consciousness cannot sustain infinite parallel lives.

What Happens When Maximum-Intensity Living Collapses?

Around age 30, all of those Liz Gilberts came crashing down. Not metaphorically. Literally. She collapsed on a bathroom floor in the suburbs, utterly exhausted. This was preceded by the usual markers of someone living at maximum intensity: a painful divorce, and then, in what she calls "the classic post-divorce rebound disastrous relationship." Within a year, she was completely undone, a state that the Italian word "dista"—meaning devastated, empty, hollowed out—finally gave her the vocabulary to name.

But here is where her story takes a turn that most burnout narratives don't follow. She didn't numb herself or return to normal life. She didn't try to repair the damage while staying in place. Instead, she conceived of something almost audacious: she would take a full year away from everything and design a pilgrimage with surgical precision. Not another manic adventure. Not another attempt to experience life at maximum pace. But an intentional journey organized around the very thing that had driven her to collapse: the hunger for transcendence combined with the hunger for earthly pleasure, and the profound not-knowing of how to hold both.

Why Design a Journey Around Three Countries?

She divided the year into three equal parts, selecting three countries as spiritual laboratories. Italy represented the first quest: pleasure, sensuality, the earthy delights she had always pursued but never with full presence or true peace. She had eaten pasta and lived aesthetically, but not deeply. India represented the second: spiritual devotion, the interior work, the discipline and meditation that her constantly-reaching mind had always resisted. And Bali—specifically Indonesia's island of Bali—represented the hardest challenge: a place and culture that seemed to have mastered something Western consciousness typically treats as contradiction. How do you incorporate pleasure and devotion in equal measure? How do you create a life that honors both the body and the spirit? The Balinese, she sensed, knew something about this. They weren't fleeing pleasure in order to be spiritual, nor abandoning spirituality in pursuit of joy. They were somehow doing both at once.

What Does the Irish Father Parable Teach?

It was in India where the book's most resonant parable emerges. She meets another seeker, a man named Shawn, born like her with "the itch"—the mad, relentless urge to understand existence. He had left his parish in County Cork, Ireland, because it offered no answers, and spent years in India practicing yoga, seeking the inner peace that his youth and his culture hadn't provided. He eventually returned to the family dairy farm and found himself sitting in the old stone house kitchen with his father—a lifelong farmer, a man of few words—trying to explain his spiritual discoveries. He tells his father about meditation, about how it teaches serenity, how it can really save your life by teaching you how to quiet your mind.

His father sets down his pipe and responds: "I have a quiet mind already, son."

It is a devastating elegance to this response, and Gilbert recognizes in it a profound truth about human consciousness. Not everyone is troubled by the paradoxes of existence. Not everyone needs to travel to three countries or practice meditation for years to find peace. Some people simply arrive in the world with a kind of natural quietude—what she calls the gift of being someone "who genuinely does not seem troubled by [the universe's] paradoxes." Others are hardwired for anxiety, for the burning need to understand, for the itch that Shawn and Gilbert share. For those people, she insists, "more drastic measures are required."

How Do You Learn to Stop Running?

What those drastic measures look like is the recovery of a third kind of knowing: not the knowing that comes from doing and experiencing everything, and not the kind that is inherited as simple peace, but the kind that comes from learning. The poet Walt Whitman wrote of standing "apart from the pulling and hauling, amused." This is what Shawn's father seemed to know naturally. This is what Gilbert needs to learn—actively, deliberately, through discipline and presence and the slow rewiring of a mind born to race. The year in Italy, India, and Bali becomes not an escape but a school. And the real wisdom isn't found in exotic locations or spiritual mountaintops, but in the recognition that a life well-lived for someone with her consciousness means learning, finally, to stop and listen instead of perpetually seeking the next experience, the next country, the next moment of beauty before time runs out.

In that recognition lies the transformation that Eat, Pray, Love documents. Not a story of a woman who traveled around the world, but a story of a woman who finally learned how to be in the world—and how, after decades of running from death, you can finally learn to live.

Where to Go From Here

For readers drawn to this story, several paths forward emerge. If the psychological roots of spiritual seeking resonate, consider exploring the relationship between trauma and transformation in memoirs like The Year of Magical Thinking or spiritual autobiographies like When Breath Becomes Air—works that similarly use personal crisis as a lens into larger questions about meaning and mortality. For those interested in the specific practices Gilbert encountered, traditional Hindu and Balinese spiritual texts offer deeper frameworks for understanding devotion and balance, as well as how different cultures approach the integration of pleasure and spiritual practice. More immediately, re-reading Eat, Pray, Love with this origin story in mind reveals it not as escape literature but as documentation of genuine spiritual apprenticeship—a woman learning, page by page, to live differently. The talk itself, available through Google's archives, captures Gilbert explaining this journey in real time, making it both a companion to the text and an independently rewarding experience. Most practically, the central insight—that running from anxiety doesn't work, but that deliberate practices can rewire how we meet existence—applies regardless of whether one travels or stays put. A journal, a meditation practice, a conversation with someone wise, or simply sitting with the discomfort of awareness can become our own pilgrimage toward presence.

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[0:05] anyway thank you for for taking time

[0:07] away from your day to come and be here

[0:09] this is really cool I didn't know that

[0:10] this place existed and certainly would

[0:13] never have known based on the

[0:15] clandestine outside um appearance and uh

[0:19] just had a wonderful time at the

[0:22] cafeteria I kind of wish that I worked

[0:24] here it's really great um so this is my

[0:27] book and it's about a year that I spent

[0:29] traveling around the world after um a

[0:31] very painful divorce which is probably

[0:33] redundant um but uh you know everybody

[0:36] thinks their divorce was particularly

[0:38] painful and and I guess I'm no exception

[0:40] and uh I I also followed my divorce with

[0:43] the classic post- divorce rebound

[0:46] disastrous relationship so um within a

[0:49] year of it all settling I was pretty

[0:51] much as they would say in Italian dista

[0:54] and um so I decided to to start all over

[0:58] with my life and get rid of everything

[1:00] and went and traveled around the world

[1:01] for a year and I went to these three

[1:03] countries to Italy India and Indonesia

[1:05] and in each place I was sort of seeking

[1:07] one part of myself that I felt I had

[1:09] lost and um and I wanted to look for it

[1:12] against the backdrop of a culture that

[1:14] specializes in that you know so Italy of

[1:17] course was about pleasure where else

[1:19] would you go and India was about

[1:21] devotion and Indonesia specifically Bali

[1:24] was about trying to figure out how you

[1:26] can create a life that incorporates

[1:27] pleasure and devotion in equal measure

[1:30] and um the bones seem to have some sort

[1:32] of a lock on that so I I wanted to sort

[1:34] of study how they do it and um and

[1:36] that's the book and that's the journey

[1:38] and I'm just going to read one little

[1:39] short piece of it for you today um and

[1:41] then we can just have a conversation and

[1:43] take questions or or do whatever you'd

[1:46] like play telephone whatever um but this

[1:49] is from the India section and it's um

[1:52] it's just some some of my thinking about

[1:54] my my own um nent

[1:58] spiritual explorations

[2:01] when I was 9 years old going on 10 I

[2:04] experienced a true metaphysical crisis

[2:07] maybe this seems young for such a thing

[2:09] but I was always a precocious child it

[2:12] all happened over the summer between

[2:13] fourth and fifth grade I was going to be

[2:16] turning 10 years old in July and there

[2:18] was something about this transition from

[2:20] 9 to 10 from single digit to double

[2:22] digit that shocked me into a genuine

[2:25] existential Panic usually reserved for

[2:27] people turning 50 I remember that life

[2:29] was passing me by so fast it seemed like

[2:32] only yesterday I was in kindergarten and

[2:34] here I was about to turn 10 soon I would

[2:37] be a teenager and then middle-aged and

[2:39] then elderly and then dead and soon

[2:42] everybody else would be dead too my

[2:44] parents would die my friends would die

[2:46] my cat would die my older sister was

[2:48] almost in high school already I could

[2:50] remember her going off to first grade

[2:52] only moments ago it seemed in her little

[2:53] knee socks and now she was in high

[2:55] school obviously it would not be long

[2:57] before she was dead what was the point

[2:59] of all of this

[3:00] the strangest thing about this crisis

[3:02] was that nothing in particular had

[3:04] spurred it no friend or relative had

[3:06] died giving me my first taste of

[3:08] mortality I had not even yet read

[3:10] Charlotte's Web this panic I was feeling

[3:13] at the age of 10 was nothing less than a

[3:14] spontaneous and full out realization of

[3:16] mortality's inevitable March and I had

[3:19] no spiritual vocabulary with which to

[3:21] help myself manage it we were

[3:23] Protestants and not even devout ones at

[3:25] that we said Grace only before Christmas

[3:28] and Thanksgiving dinner and went to

[3:29] church sporadically my dad chose to stay

[3:32] home on Sunday mornings finding his

[3:34] devotional practice in farming I sang in

[3:37] the choir because I liked singing my

[3:39] pretty sister was the angel in the

[3:40] Christmas Pageant my mother used the

[3:42] church as a headquarters from which to

[3:44] organize good works of volunteer service

[3:46] for the community but even in that

[3:48] church I don't remember there being a

[3:49] lot of talking about God this was New

[3:52] England after all and the word god tends

[3:54] to make us Yankees very nervous my sense

[3:57] of helplessness was overwhelming what I

[3:59] wanted to do was pull some massive

[4:01] emergency break on the universe like the

[4:03] breaks I'd seen on the Subways during

[4:05] our school trip to New York City I

[4:07] wanted to call a time out and demand

[4:09] that everything just stop until I could

[4:11] understand it I suppose this urge to

[4:13] force the entire universe to stop in its

[4:16] tracks until I could get a grip on my

[4:18] thoughts might have been the beginning

[4:19] of what dear friends of mine have called

[4:21] my control issues of course my efforts

[4:24] and worry were feudal the closer I

[4:26] watched time the faster it spun and that

[4:28] summer went by so quickly that it made

[4:30] my my head hurt and at the end of every

[4:32] day I remember thinking another one gone

[4:34] and bursting into tears this sadness is

[4:37] one of the great Trials of the human

[4:39] experiment as far as we know we're the

[4:41] only species on the planet who have been

[4:43] given the gift or the curse perhaps of

[4:45] awareness about our own mortality

[4:48] everything here eventually dies we're

[4:49] the lucky ones who get to think about

[4:51] this fact every day and how are you

[4:53] going to cope with this information when

[4:55] I was nine I couldn't do a thing about

[4:57] it except cry later over the years my

[5:00] hyper sensitive awareness of time speed

[5:02] led me to push myself to experience life

[5:05] at maximum Pace if I were going to have

[5:07] such a short visit on Earth I had to do

[5:09] everything possible to experience it now

[5:12] hence all the traveling all the romances

[5:15] all the ambition all the pasta my sister

[5:18] had a friend who used to think that

[5:19] Katherine had two or three younger

[5:21] sisters because she was always hearing

[5:22] stories about this sister who was in

[5:23] Africa the sister who was working on a

[5:25] ranch in Wyoming the sister who was the

[5:27] bartender in New York the sister who was

[5:29] writing a book the sister who was

[5:30] getting married the sister who was

[5:32] getting divorced surely this could not

[5:33] all be the same person indeed if I could

[5:36] have split myself into many Liz Gilberts

[5:38] I would willingly have done so in order

[5:40] to not miss a moment of Life what am I

[5:43] saying I did split myself into many Liz

[5:45] Gilberts all of whom simultaneously

[5:47] collapsed in exhaustion on a bathroom

[5:49] floor in the suburbs one night around

[5:51] the age of 30 I should say here that I'm

[5:53] aware not everyone goes through this

[5:55] kind of metaphysical crisis some of us

[5:58] are hardwired for anxxiety about

[5:59] mortality While others just seem

[6:01] comfortable with the whole deal you meet

[6:03] a lot of apathetic people in this world

[6:05] of course but you also meet some people

[6:07] who seem to be able to gracefully accept

[6:09] the terms upon which the universe

[6:10] operates and who genuinely do not seem

[6:12] troubled by its paradoxes I have a

[6:14] friend whose grandmother used to tell

[6:16] her there's no trouble in this world so

[6:18] serious that it can't be cured with a

[6:20] hot bath a glass of whiskey and the Book

[6:22] of common prayer for some people that's

[6:24] enough for others more drastic measures

[6:27] are required I have a friend I've met

[6:29] here at the in India named Shawn he's

[6:32] one of those people like me who was born

[6:34] with the itch the mad and Relentless

[6:35] urge to understand the workings of

[6:37] existence his little Parish in County

[6:39] Cork didn't seem to have any of the

[6:41] answers so he left the farm in the 1980s

[6:43] to go traveling through India looking

[6:45] through for Inner Peace through Yoga a

[6:48] few years later he returned home to the

[6:49] dairy farm in Ireland he was sitting in

[6:52] the kitchen of the Old Stone House with

[6:53] his father a lifelong farmer and a man

[6:56] of few words and Shawn was telling him

[6:58] all about his spiritual discovery in the

[7:00] Exotic East Shawn's father listened with

[7:03] mild interest watching The Hearth and

[7:05] the fire smoking his pipe he didn't

[7:08] speak at all until Shawn said with

[7:09] excitement da this meditation stuff it's

[7:12] crucial for teaching Serenity it can

[7:14] really save your life it teaches you how

[7:16] to quiet your mind his father turned to

[7:18] him and said kindly I have a quiet mind

[7:21] already son and then resumed his Gaze on

[7:24] the fire but I don't nor does Shawn many

[7:28] of us don't many of us look into the

[7:31] fire and see only Inferno I need to

[7:34] actively learn how to do what Shawn's

[7:35] father it seems was born knowing how to

[7:37] do how to as Walt whitmann once wrote

[7:40] stand apart from the pulling and Hauling

[7:43] amused complacent compassionating idle

[7:46] unitary both in and out of the game

[7:48] watching and wondering at it all instead

[7:51] of being amused though I'm only anxious

[7:53] instead of watching I'm always probing

[7:55] and interfering the other day in prayer

[7:57] I said to God look I understand that an

[8:00] unexamined life is not worth living but

[8:01] do you think I could someday have an

[8:03] unexamined

[8:05] lunch Buddhist lore has a story about

[8:07] the moments that followed the Buddhist

[8:09] Transcendence into Enlightenment when

[8:11] after 39 days of meditation the veil of

[8:13] Illusion finally fell away and the true

[8:15] workings of the universe were revealed

[8:17] to the Great Master he was reported to

[8:19] have opened his eyes and said

[8:20] immediately this cannot be taught but

[8:23] then he changed his mind and decided he

[8:24] would go into the world after all and

[8:26] attempt to teach the practice of

[8:27] meditation to a small handful of

[8:29] students he knew there would only be a

[8:31] meager percentage of people who would be

[8:33] served by or even interested in these

[8:35] teachings most of humanity he said have

[8:38] eyes that are so caked shut with the

[8:39] dust of deception that they will never

[8:41] see truth no matter who tries to show it

[8:43] to them a few others like Shan's da

[8:46] perhaps are so naturally cleare eyed and

[8:49] calm already that they need no

[8:50] instruction or assistance but then there

[8:52] are those whose eyes are just slightly

[8:54] caked with dust and who might with the

[8:56] help of the right Master be taught to

[8:58] see more clearly someday

[9:00] the Buddha decided he would become a

[9:02] teacher for the benefit of that Minority

[9:04] for those of little dust I dearly hope

[9:07] that I'm one of those midlevel dust cake

[9:10] eye people but I don't know I only know

[9:12] that I have been driven to find inner

[9:14] peace with methods that might seem a bit

[9:16] drastic for the general populace for

[9:18] instance when I told one friend of mine

[9:20] back in New York City that I was going

[9:21] to India to live in an ashram and search

[9:23] for Divinity he sighed and said oh

[9:26] there's a part of me that so wishes that

[9:28] I wanted to do that but I really have no

[9:32] desire for it whatsoever and I don't

[9:34] know that I have much choice though I

[9:36] have searched frantically for

[9:37] contentment for so many years and so

[9:39] many ways and all these Acquisitions

[9:41] they run you down in the end life if you

[9:43] keep chasing it so hard will drive you

[9:45] to death time when pursued like a bandit

[9:48] will behave like one always remaining

[9:50] one County or one room ahead of you

[9:52] changing its name and hair color to

[9:54] elude you slipping out the back door of

[9:56] the motel just as you're banging through

[9:58] the lobby with your newest search

[9:59] warrant leaving only a burning cigarette

[10:01] in the ashtray to taunt you at some

[10:04] point you have to stop because it won't

[10:06] you have to admit that you can't catch

[10:08] it that you're not supposed to catch it

[10:10] at some point you have to let go and sit

[10:13] still and allow contentment to approach

[10:15] you letting go of course is a scary

[10:18] Enterprise for those of us who believe

[10:20] that the world revolves only because it

[10:22] has a handle on the top of it which we

[10:23] ourselves personally turn and that if we

[10:26] were to drop this handle for even one

[10:27] moment well that would be the end end of

[10:30] the

[10:30] universe but try dropping it this is the

[10:33] message I'm getting in India sit quietly

[10:35] for now and cease your Relentless

[10:37] participation and Watch What Happens the

[10:40] birds Do Not Crash dead out of the sky

[10:43] after all in mid-flight the trees do not

[10:45] wither and die the rivers do not run red

[10:47] with blood life continues to go on even

[10:51] the Italian post office will keep

[10:52] limping along doing its own thing

[10:54] without you why are you so sure that

[10:56] your micromanagement of every moment in

[10:58] this whole world is so essential

[11:00] why don't you let it be iar this

[11:03] argument and it appeals to me I believe

[11:05] in it intellectually I really do but

[11:08] then I wonder with all my Restless

[11:10] yearning and with all my hyped up fervor

[11:12] and this stupidly hungry nature of mine

[11:15] what should I do with my energy instead

[11:17] that answer is arriving too look for God

[11:21] look for God like a man with his head on

[11:23] fire looks for

[11:25] water thank

[11:27] you very much

[11:31] um so does anybody have any questions

[11:34] the other thing is if if if the

[11:36] microphone stepping is too complicated

[11:38] if you want to say your question I guess

[11:39] I could repeat it into here would that

[11:41] also work or is there some sort of super

[11:45] Google technological thing that I don't

[11:49] understand because I have a really old

[11:51] Motorola cell phone

[11:54] okay um anybody have any questions or

[11:57] comments about anything

[11:58] writing this book or other books or

[12:02] anything that of that

[12:10] yes um the question was how did I pick

[12:12] the three countries and were there

[12:14] others that I was considering um I spent

[12:18] a um I think when you go on a quest and

[12:19] that that is what this is as as corny as

[12:21] that word might might sound um uh it's

[12:25] it's a the prospect of questing is

[12:27] something I believe in very much and I

[12:29] believe that it's Universal human

[12:30] urgency that can be in as strong and

[12:32] some people as the urge to procreate or

[12:35] protect your kin or build stuff you know

[12:38] um it's it can be a pretty Mighty

[12:40] urgency and I and I think you have to um

[12:43] prepare for it uh with a lot of

[12:46] self-study and so I spent months kind of

[12:48] writing and writing and writing in my

[12:50] journal and asking myself over and over

[12:51] again in as many different forms as

[12:53] possible what is it that you really

[12:54] really really want um because that's a

[12:56] kind of hard thing I think for us to

[12:58] admit at times and um

[13:00] and and then I went back and read those

[13:01] journals and saw what kept coming up

[13:04] again and again and sort of parboiled it

[13:06] down to that and it appeared that I

[13:08] apparently really wanted to learn how to

[13:09] speak Italian you know for no logical

[13:12] reason it showed up on every page you

[13:14] know so I thought well that that one's

[13:15] pretty evident and and I really wanted

[13:17] to um I really wanted to focus on my

[13:19] meditation practice in India seemed like

[13:21] a natural place to go for that and then

[13:23] also I had a very special reason to go

[13:25] back to Vol which is that I'd been there

[13:27] a few years ago for a magazine story and

[13:29] this I'd had the privilege to meet this

[13:31] ninth generation Indonesian medicine man

[13:33] this kind of amazing old Yoda like

[13:35] character and he had dropped this line

[13:38] on me that said that it was my um

[13:40] apparently it was my destiny to come

[13:42] back there and to teach him English and

[13:43] to live with his family and I grabbed

[13:45] onto that like a life rope you know and

[13:47] um I he just tossed this thing out and I

[13:49] spent the next almost three years just

[13:52] trying to figure out how to organize my

[13:53] life around manifesting that Destiny and

[13:56] getting back there somehow and um and of

[13:58] course I did and of course you know he

[14:00] had no idea who I was when I showed up

[14:03] um as as many quests turn out you know

[14:05] there's always these you know the um

[14:07] that's kind of perfect mythological um

[14:10] structuring of how that should go um but

[14:13] uh it was still amazing to to be around

[14:15] him and in the end I did end up spending

[14:16] a lot of time with him so so I was

[14:18] invited to Indonesia and I felt I needed

[14:20] to go to to India and I really just

[14:23] wanted to go to Italy and eat a lot of

[14:25] food and learn how to speak Italian and

[14:28] it was happy coincidence that they all

[14:30] began with I which is good on a journey

[14:32] of self-discovery but um my friends in

[14:35] Indiana were like just come here I don't

[14:37] know why you got

[14:38] it my friends in I slip we we're not too

[14:42] impressed um because there's of course

[14:44] many other places that begin with I but

[14:46] uh anyway that's that seemed like the

[14:48] thing to

[14:49] do

[14:51] thanks anybody

[14:55] else

[14:58] no all right

[14:59] [Laughter]

[15:05] yeah um I'm writing a book about

[15:07] marriage um which is kind of like George

[15:10] Bush writing a book about diplomacy um

[15:13] because I haven't exactly excelled in

[15:15] that um but uh but I am getting

[15:18] remarried and and so I thought that um

[15:21] Joan didan once said that she writes in

[15:22] order to find out how she feels about

[15:24] things and so I'm going to use that that

[15:26] book as a way to to try to understand

[15:29] what in that peculiar institution is all

[15:31] about and and hopefully knowing more

[15:33] about it might make it go a little

[15:35] better the next time so that's what it's

[15:38] about

[15:41] yeah

[15:58] sure right

[16:00] yeah the question is how much of um what

[16:02] I learned on the trip have I been able

[16:04] to incorporate in back into my normal

[16:06] life including meditation I mean I think

[16:08] Madness would follow anybody who tried

[16:10] to keep an asham schedule in a normal

[16:11] life in Northeastern United States um so

[16:14] I don't I don't Harang myself too much

[16:16] for the fact that I don't meditate five

[16:17] hours a day anymore or chant for two

[16:19] hours a day or eat really good

[16:21] vegetarian food and all that kind of

[16:23] stuff um but uh something you know how

[16:27] can I explain this catharsis

[16:30] no catharsis ever happened without

[16:32] somebody's participation you know um

[16:34] people talk about cathartic experiences

[16:36] you know somebody has a horrible

[16:37] accident or a horrible heartbreak and it

[16:38] transforms them but but not without

[16:41] their um not without their assistance

[16:43] you know not without them showing up for

[16:45] it and I think travel can always seem

[16:47] like such a natural way for people to

[16:50] change their lives but it can't impose

[16:52] change on you you know you can only kind

[16:54] of will it in and similarly whatever

[16:57] beautiful um Treasures of selfhood that

[17:01] I found on this journey are mine to lose

[17:03] any any day I feel like it you know and

[17:05] so I consider it kind of my obligation

[17:07] to to hold on to as much of that as I

[17:09] can within reason um I would so love to

[17:12] tell you that I get up every day before

[17:13] Dawn and meditate and I'm half tempted

[17:16] to tell you that because you know how

[17:17] the hell would you guys ever know if

[17:18] it's true or not but um in fact it's not

[17:21] true um but I but I do it more days than

[17:24] I don't um and I think that I have for

[17:26] that I kind of Base it on on my writing

[17:29] practice as well I would love to say

[17:30] that I write every day but I don't but I

[17:32] write more days than I don't and I think

[17:34] as long as in your life you're doing

[17:36] more of what's beneficial to you than

[17:38] not then that's probably good enough um

[17:41] for for what we can do in our normal

[17:42] lives so thanks for your

[17:46] question

[17:53] yeah um the question is what did I think

[17:55] about coming back to the us at the end

[17:57] of my trip I was excited because I had

[17:59] the journey of writing the book to look

[18:00] forward to so that in itself is another

[18:02] kind of um Adventure in a way um and and

[18:06] also I was just um I don't know when I

[18:09] when I was at the asham I remember

[18:10] seeing people who kind of got addicted

[18:12] to to exploration without ever coming

[18:16] home you know like they were they were

[18:18] on a spiritual journey kind of their

[18:20] whole lives for like 25 years in the

[18:22] same asham and they were and I sort of

[18:24] thought is that really the point of

[18:26] these teachings you know um I mean they

[18:28] weren't monks they were civilians but

[18:30] they were sort of stuck I felt in this

[18:33] in this cycle of

[18:35] constantly seeking slash hiding and um

[18:39] and I remember this one girl at the

[18:41] asham coming back from having flown to

[18:43] Chicago to see her family and she came

[18:45] back and she was like you know she was

[18:47] breathing asham a like it was you know

[18:48] pure oxygen she was like I I couldn't

[18:50] wait to get back here because the real

[18:52] world is so screwed up and I couldn't

[18:53] relate to anybody and I just want to be

[18:55] here with people who understand and I

[18:57] just thought the point of this can it

[18:59] that that all of this teachings and

[19:01] all is supposed to make reality harder

[19:04] for you you know it seems like um any

[19:06] sort of beneficial practice would be one

[19:08] that would make it easier for you to

[19:10] live in in the world um and so I was

[19:12] excited to kind of try out my My New

[19:15] Self in in my old life and um see how

[19:18] things have changed and and indeed I

[19:21] just feel more comfortable in the world

[19:22] and more comfortable in my skin than

[19:24] ever so so it's been lovely it wasn't it

[19:26] wasn't particularly jarring coming back

[19:28] then again I didn't come back back to a

[19:29] very normal life either so um I if I'd

[19:32] had to go back to my marriage in my

[19:34] Suburban house I think it wouldn't have

[19:35] been quite as quite as much to look

[19:37] forward to

[19:40] [Music]

[19:42] yeah

[19:48] uh

[19:52] did oh um the question is about my last

[19:56] book before this which is the last

[19:57] American man where I spent a lot of time

[19:59] actually with this guy named eustus

[20:02] Conway who is this sort of modern Latter

[20:04] Day mesic Mountain Man guy who lives in

[20:07] the woods in North Carolina and left

[20:09] home at 17 and and has been living in

[20:11] the woods and living off the land ever

[20:13] since and has this completely deranged

[20:16] Messianic view of himself as somebody

[20:18] who can single-handedly return America

[20:20] to being an a agrarian society and

[20:23] everybody's going to follow him into the

[20:24] woods and he's so captivating that you

[20:26] just might think that it was possible um

[20:28] but he also sort of crazy in his in his

[20:31] way um and the question was how did that

[20:33] how did spending I think your question

[20:35] was how did spending time with him

[20:36] affect my own journey in two ways one

[20:38] was that

[20:40] um did I tell him about this yeah I told

[20:43] him I was going to do this and he was he

[20:44] was very encouraging he's all about you

[20:46] know the quest um uh you know I I spent

[20:50] a lot of time writing about men in my

[20:52] life you know I worked for spin I worked

[20:54] for GQ and and my first book was a

[20:58] collection of short stories that seemed

[20:59] to be mostly about Cowboys and my second

[21:01] book was a novel about Lobster fishermen

[21:03] and my third book was this like

[21:04] quintessential American masculine figure

[21:07] and I kind of was like you know I'm ju

[21:10] just need a little time off from the

[21:11] fellas for a while you know writing

[21:14] about them being married to them giving

[21:15] them all my money and divorce

[21:17] settlements you know like to like all

[21:19] it's just this is just I'm a little

[21:21] overwhelmed with this you know and I and

[21:23] I thought that I really wanted to spend

[21:24] some time um away from that energy so in

[21:27] one way it propelled me to want to go

[21:29] off on my own and the other is that um I

[21:33] was really impressed with his self

[21:35] honesty um when I wrote that book he

[21:39] gave me absolute utter access to his

[21:41] life he handed me at one point this

[21:43] giant box filled with all his journals

[21:47] and childhood Diaries and love letters

[21:49] from Girlfriends who now hated him and

[21:51] you know all this incredibly intimate

[21:52] stuff that he hadn't even looked at in

[21:54] years and he just gave it to me and said

[21:56] use any of this you know he gave me tone

[21:59] numbers of people that he knew despised

[22:01] him and said you should talk to this guy

[22:03] because he hates me and he thinks I'm a

[22:04] fraud and you should talk to people who

[22:05] think I'm a fraud and he looked at that

[22:08] question himself and he you know he just

[22:10] he just doesn't do things halfway and I

[22:12] was I was really inspired by the fact

[22:14] that he sort of understood if you're

[22:16] going to you know if you're going to do

[22:18] biography or if you're going to do

[22:19] Memoir like do it you know um don't try

[22:22] to turn it into some sort of vanity

[22:24] piece and and I think that helped me

[22:26] find the the resolve to just just tell

[22:29] this story as it occurred rather than

[22:31] trying to manipulate it or make myself

[22:33] look you know

[22:36] good in any sort of way so that was

[22:38] really that was that was Inspire he was

[22:41] both um repellent and inspiring and I

[22:43] think that's actually probably a very

[22:44] good General description of

[22:45] [Laughter]

[22:47] him in

[22:49] total

[22:56] yeah in writing what

[23:01] yeah oh where do I do my writing I used

[23:04] to be yeah um I mean I've written all

[23:06] over the world um at this point because

[23:09] I've done so much traveling but my

[23:11] preferred um I mean I've always been I

[23:13] think like most writers I've always been

[23:15] seeking the kind of the perfect womb you

[23:18] know in which to write and um and have

[23:20] found different versions of it for

[23:22] different books depending on where I was

[23:23] living and what I was doing but my short

[23:25] Story collection and my novel I wrote

[23:27] almost entirely in the New York public

[23:29] library reading room you know that

[23:31] beautiful big quiet space um which is a

[23:33] really nice place to work because you're

[23:35] alone but not alone you're alone in

[23:37] silence but you're not isolated because

[23:39] there's people around and there's this

[23:40] kind of river of work of energy of

[23:42] people studying and you would feel

[23:44] guilty to not be participating in it

[23:46] with them um although many times I had

[23:48] this sort of school marish guard come

[23:50] and wrap me on the head for falling

[23:51] asleep in my AR you know on top of my

[23:54] paperwork um which you're not supposed

[23:55] to do there um but but now and then my

[23:58] last two books this book and the last

[24:00] American man I wrote um I mean when you

[24:03] write a book there's years of sort of

[24:04] research and stuff and collecting and

[24:05] that I can do anywhere but when it comes

[24:07] to the actual the sort of holy Act of

[24:09] sitting down and composing a book um I

[24:12] need a lot of silence for that so I went

[24:14] to an artist's residency in Wyoming

[24:16] there're these wonderful sort of

[24:17] Retreats that where they you go and they

[24:19] take care of you and give you kind of a

[24:21] quiet place to work and so I wrote those

[24:23] books there and now I've just bought a

[24:25] house and I'm hoping that I can create a

[24:27] quite enough place in there that I can

[24:29] actually write in my own home for once

[24:31] which I've never been able to

[24:33] do so but coffee shops would be out of

[24:36] the question for me if only because of

[24:38] the availability of muffins

[24:41] constantly think it would be a big

[24:43] [Laughter]

[24:47] mistake anybody else is anybody a

[24:51] writer

[24:55] secrets I'm always curious about that

[24:58] yeah

[25:12] um I I've always the question is when

[25:14] studying in different language do take

[25:16] on a different personality um yeah

[25:19] Italian has a particular I think

[25:21] everybody who who studies Italian takes

[25:23] on this

[25:25] completely fantas fantasmal is that s

[25:28] even a word but like this completely

[25:30] romantic I mean that in every definition

[25:33] of the word romantic um identity uh

[25:36] where you really do think that you're in

[25:37] a felini movie and you know that you're

[25:39] you're riding a moped around Rome with

[25:41] your dashing fory boyfriend or there's

[25:44] just something so incredibly sexy about

[25:46] that language and that's partially why I

[25:48] think I was so attracted to it because I

[25:50] just felt so dead you know um after

[25:52] going through divorce and depression and

[25:54] and I would go I was taking um Italian

[25:56] at the new school and I would just come

[25:58] home and lay in the bathtub and read the

[25:59] dictionary out loud and just put this

[26:01] big Flo you know I'd be like in bubbles

[26:03] and I'd be like you know

[26:05] Chow you know um par Italo you know just

[26:09] because you can't do it without waving

[26:10] your hands around and without um

[26:12] starting to feel kind of invigorated

[26:14] there's and and there's reasons why as I

[26:16] found out when I was researching the

[26:18] book there's reasons why Italian is such

[26:20] a tantalizing language um it's not an

[26:23] accident that it's as beautiful as it is

[26:24] there were decisions that were made in

[26:26] Italy um around the 6 1900s about what

[26:29] was going to be the official language

[26:31] out of all the dialects and there was a

[26:33] kind of council I mean I don't think any

[26:35] other language has this pedigree there's

[26:37] a sort of Council of intellectuals who

[26:38] got together and and basically went

[26:40] around Italy with looking for the most

[26:42] beautiful version of of Cil you know

[26:45] bastardized Latin and it turned out to

[26:47] be Florentine and and the language of

[26:50] Dante and so it's it's a language that

[26:51] was sort of built by a poet and and I

[26:54] think that's why it's so appealing and

[26:56] seems to be universally so and when I

[26:58] was in Rome studying I found out that

[27:00] every single person in my class who was

[27:02] taking Italian had come for the same

[27:05] reason because they had no practical

[27:07] justification whatsoever to learn this

[27:08] langu like nobody's boss said you have

[27:10] to learn Italian so our business will

[27:12] Thrive you know like it's just not in

[27:14] the sort of vocabulary of Commerce but

[27:17] but people just felt like it would make

[27:19] them feel good to to have those words

[27:21] and sounds coming out of their mouths

[27:23] and all these stiff German you know

[27:25] Engineers visiting Rome and and wanting

[27:27] to learn because this one guy I want to

[27:29] have the do Vita you know and uh I was

[27:33] like the deutche Vita the you know um

[27:36] but uh so there's just something very

[27:39] alluring about it and um and I think it

[27:41] helped I think it helped change my you

[27:43] know and I don't think it hurt either

[27:45] that my head as anybody who's gone

[27:47] through really hard times knows you get

[27:48] stuck in these kind of ruts of thought

[27:50] and I don't think it hurt to actually

[27:52] change the language and introduce new

[27:54] words um into your head to try to escape

[27:57] the um the constant sort of runaround of

[28:00] the UN The Familiar repetition of

[28:04] destructive sentences um so yeah

[28:07] definitely but nobody ever once mistook

[28:10] me for being

[28:11] Italian after all that never happened at

[28:14] all next

[28:16] life next life will be

[28:20] Italian so

[28:27] yes

[28:36] um with which man from

[28:38] Indonesia my uh with my my sweetheart

[28:42] from Indonesia yeah we're getting we're

[28:44] getting we're getting married in a few

[28:45] weeks um so we're in pretty close

[28:47] contact which is good yeah um the

[28:51] question is what what what would um be

[28:53] the fourth verb that's a really good

[28:55] question Eat Pray Love um well it just

[28:57] somehow reminded me of what my Lan said

[28:59] because she wished that I had stayed in

[29:00] Italy the whole time and just called the

[29:01] book eat eat eat um but

[29:04] um you know actually I I would say it

[29:07] would be repeat um that's that would be

[29:11] the uh that would probably be the best

[29:13] way to to continue your life um and it's

[29:16] nice because I I just bought I was just

[29:19] telling you in the elevator I just

[29:20] bought a church in New Jersey so um and

[29:23] and over the top it's a 1798 old old

[29:26] church and I decided to have somebody

[29:27] write in Gothic letters over the top you

[29:30] know Eat Pray Love because it seems to

[29:31] be the good location for it so yeah Eat

[29:34] Pray Love

[29:36] repeat and so on and so

[29:38] [Laughter]

[29:40] on or maybe remember that would be good

[29:44] too so thank you all so much I

[29:46] appreciate your questions and and your

[29:49] time and good luck on all your quests

[29:52] and enjoy your Cool

[29:56] Jobs they seem to be from from the

[29:59] outside and thanks for having me

[30:02] appreciate

[30:03] [Applause]

[30:06] it

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American author whose 2006 memoir Eat Pray Love — a year-long journey through Italy, India, and Indonesia in search of pleasure, devotion, and balance — became one of the most-read…

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After a painful divorce and devastating rebound relationship left her emotionally destroyed, Gilbert realized she needed to intentionally rebuild her life. She designed a year-long sabbatical, dividing time equally among three countries—each chosen to help her recover a different aspect of herself she'd lost.
Italy symbolizes pleasure and sensual earthly delights; India represents spiritual devotion and interior discipline; Bali embodies a culture that balances both simultaneously. Gilbert wanted to deliberately learn how to integrate these seemingly opposite urges.
No. While it documents a year-long journey, the deeper narrative roots back to Gilbert's childhood existential crisis about mortality. The real story is how she learned to stop living frantically and instead develop a deliberate spiritual practice.
At age 9-10, Gilbert experienced a spontaneous realization of human mortality that sparked existential panic. This early awareness led her to spend decades living at maximum intensity—constantly traveling, pursuing relationships and ambition—as a way to outrun death.
It illustrates that some people are born with natural serenity while others must learn it deliberately. When spiritual seeker Shawn tells his Irish farmer father about meditation's power to quiet the mind, his father replies simply: "I have a quiet mind already, son."
Yes. Gilbert's attempt to experience everything before death—constant travel, multiple relationships, relentless ambition—eventually led to complete physical and emotional collapse around age 30, which prompted her intentional spiritual journey.
Drawing on Walt Whitman, Gilbert describes learning to detach from the constant grasping and anxiety that drives much of Western life. It means being present without the compulsive need to pursue the next experience or moment before time runs out.

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