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[0:12] so hi i'm tom evans and welcome to
[0:14] another edition of the zone show and i'm
[0:17] thrilled and excited today to be
[0:18] speaking with sarah mccrum hi sarah
[0:21] hi tom so you're obviously an english
[0:23] woman but down in in sunny australia at
[0:26] the moment
[0:27] yeah i'm on the sunshine coast at the
[0:30] moment anticipating a thunderstorm so um
[0:33] but yeah it's about 15 years since i
[0:34] lived in england fantastic now you do
[0:37] realize that there are three
[0:38] coincidences that brought us together
[0:40] and of course there are no coincidences
[0:43] one we've both worked at the bbc
[0:46] yeah two we both uh authored programs
[0:49] for avenue we'll talk about a bit later
[0:51] yeah and three
[0:53] we've we're both healers but we never
[0:55] planned to be
[0:56] absolutely
[0:58] how did you know
[0:59] exactly so what was your journey to be
[1:02] to the healing arts and crafts
[1:05] huh
[1:06] you know when i was a kid i was like
[1:09] always top in school
[1:11] and my dad used to have little chats
[1:13] with me and tell me sarah you're the
[1:15] creme de la creme you can go to the top
[1:17] of the civil service or you can be a
[1:19] headmistress by the time you're 30 or
[1:20] you can be a lawyer and so that's what i
[1:22] thought i would do and i became a school
[1:24] teacher and i just didn't like it and by
[1:27] 28 i was nowhere near being a
[1:29] headmistress
[1:31] and
[1:32] nowhere near anywhere in the civil
[1:33] service and i wasn't interested in law
[1:36] at all
[1:37] but actually i guess what really
[1:39] triggered it when i was 30 my sister had
[1:42] a brain tumor
[1:43] and she died after about 21 months and i
[1:46] suppose that just completely
[1:49] changed my direction in life and i i
[1:52] just somehow remember realizing that
[1:55] nobody was going to take care of my
[1:57] health if i didn't and so i very quickly
[2:00] became a kind a bit of a health
[2:02] freak at the time probably and i started
[2:04] going home from the bbc at six o'clock
[2:06] in the evening which was in the
[2:08] department where i worked was absolutely
[2:10] unheard of so it became very boring
[2:13] they were drinking till 10.
[2:16] yeah and so
[2:17] i yes after about six months after she
[2:21] died i was so stuck
[2:23] and i was just like just like one big
[2:25] blockage and i saw an acupuncturist and
[2:28] she released it or it disappeared within
[2:30] one hour and it was absolutely
[2:32] phenomenal and i guess that kind of
[2:34] started the whole journey of
[2:36] natural health um
[2:39] and from there i started to learn more
[2:41] and more and do more and more stuff and
[2:42] i kind of i never really realized i was
[2:45] a healer for a very long time
[2:48] it wasn't a label i would have given
[2:49] myself but you know in the end it comes
[2:52] isn't that funny because i don't i don't
[2:54] really call myself a healer but i know
[2:55] that people that come along get healed
[2:58] and that sort of stuff yes
[2:59] yes i always think it's what other
[3:01] people call you not what you call
[3:02] yourself anyway
[3:03] yes i mean i tried oh god do you reckon
[3:06] that on your journey then you've you've
[3:08] reached your full potential
[3:12] no
[3:14] no um it's interesting this whole thing
[3:16] about potential because i realized only
[3:20] actually i only realized recently that
[3:22] my whole story about potential was
[3:25] because of this having started off with
[3:26] this so-called great potential that just
[3:29] didn't happen
[3:30] and then this switch in direction and i
[3:33] realized i'd actually been kind of
[3:35] searching for it and researching it
[3:37] for a lot of my life because it didn't
[3:39] work out the way it should do
[3:42] on one level probably we all feel
[3:44] there's this potential there's that part
[3:46] of us we haven't reached yet and of
[3:47] course you can't actually really reach
[3:49] that because everything you reach
[3:50] there's always going to be more
[3:51] potential opening up in front of you so
[3:54] in a way that's almost like um a trick
[3:56] question because
[3:58] it's good that we feel this
[4:00] potential expansion of ourselves that
[4:03] that's what makes us alive and awake
[4:06] but i think the thing that really
[4:07] changed for me
[4:09] and i'm extraordinarily grateful for is
[4:12] that i feel that i have now a map
[4:15] if you like i know what i need to do
[4:17] to develop whatever potential i want not
[4:21] in terms of the details the actions
[4:24] but because of various things i've
[4:25] learned from some really great people i
[4:27] have like
[4:28] really a little set of maps
[4:30] which give all the ground rules and
[4:35] once i had that i stopped feeling like
[4:37] it was a guessing game
[4:39] before i always felt like it's really
[4:41] hit and miss like i might
[4:44] kind of make something sometime or i
[4:46] might just continue in this like i've
[4:48] really completely missed it and
[4:49] everyone's a bit disappointed in sarah
[4:51] kind of thing and i don't really feel
[4:53] like that anymore i feel like i've got
[4:56] the pieces
[4:57] and now it's it's a question of doing it
[5:00] and it's a that's a very different place
[5:02] to be so if you had advice to someone
[5:04] that was like a younger sarah then at 30
[5:07] how would they go about this journey
[5:09] what because everyone's past different
[5:10] of course isn't it but what how can you
[5:12] generally start about this journey of of
[5:14] activating your potential and opening up
[5:16] to your full potential
[5:19] um
[5:19] i think if i was really talking to a
[5:21] younger sarah i would probably send them
[5:23] to a few teachers very quickly and get
[5:25] them to do the courses
[5:27] but if i would summarize that
[5:29] what i've kind of figured out um
[5:32] that are really really important things
[5:35] for everybody to develop their potential
[5:37] i feel that it's really important that
[5:39] we all are able to relax
[5:42] um like you can't really do anything if
[5:44] you're not able to relax
[5:46] and most of us rush around life not
[5:48] being very relaxed everything turns
[5:51] around when you're able to relax and
[5:53] when you're able to receive energy i
[5:56] talk about energy a lot and i just find
[5:59] it incredibly important
[6:01] so i would say that that's absolutely
[6:02] fundamental and not to imagine you can
[6:05] do anything very much if you're really
[6:07] tense all the time
[6:08] i think it is really important to
[6:13] um
[6:14] be able to
[6:16] well there's a whole different
[6:18] understanding
[6:19] of life
[6:20] of energy of potential of how we can
[6:24] live our life that is kind of coming in
[6:26] and people like you promote that kind of
[6:28] understanding
[6:30] and
[6:31] we need to learn that we need to
[6:33] actually get it into our heads we need
[6:35] to start to look at things differently
[6:37] so for example i teach people about pain
[6:40] i teach them to look at pain in a
[6:42] completely different way from what
[6:43] they've ever learned from doctors or
[6:46] anybody else and that's the way that
[6:48] it's really easy to heal pain but if you
[6:50] don't have the understanding
[6:52] it doesn't happen
[6:54] so i think we need a massive amount of
[6:56] education at the moment i mean i would
[6:58] put it in schools i would give it to
[7:00] five-year-olds to teach them about
[7:02] energy to teach them about all the the
[7:04] law the true laws of nature
[7:07] um so
[7:09] that would be a really important thing
[7:11] and then it's kind of like builds in
[7:13] steps for me the as you go further there
[7:16] are more and more steps open up as to
[7:18] what you need to grow and learn
[7:20] in order to really develop your
[7:21] potential
[7:22] so what it matters
[7:24] there seems to be so many different
[7:26] methodologies out there so many
[7:27] different teachers does it matter
[7:30] which one you choose or
[7:32] would it be better just to allow the one
[7:34] that appears to come into your life and
[7:36] allow the energy to flow in if you know
[7:38] what i mean
[7:40] um
[7:41] i think both are true in a way yes it
[7:44] does matter because quite often
[7:47] um
[7:48] you can choose i've actually seen people
[7:50] choose teachers who are at a lower level
[7:52] than them because they they didn't have
[7:54] any map they didn't have any
[7:56] understanding of the levels that we go
[7:58] through
[7:59] and so they literally didn't know what
[8:01] was up and what was down and they are
[8:02] working with people who are sometimes
[8:04] pulling them down rather than pulling
[8:06] them up and that's because of ignorance
[8:08] but on the other hand with a certain
[8:11] level of discernment and kind of clarity
[8:13] if you know what you really want then
[8:15] for sure the teachers will appear in
[8:17] your life but it doesn't work very well
[8:19] if you're not clear i don't think so you
[8:21] might need help then
[8:23] to become clear about what you really
[8:25] want then the flowing bit works
[8:29] and is that something you could offer
[8:32] i mean i do coach people um um i do
[8:35] coach people and i teach courses or have
[8:37] online courses so i do teach those kinds
[8:39] of things my coaching is quite specific
[8:42] and um
[8:43] it's pretty you know it's top end so
[8:46] it's not for everybody but
[8:48] um
[8:49] definitely for example people show up i
[8:51] have a website that's for healing and
[8:53] they show up at that website or they
[8:56] show up asking for help because they
[8:57] really need healing and that's a way you
[8:59] know they can get healing 24 hours a day
[9:01] through that website
[9:03] um so that that's the kind of way i
[9:05] might show up in somebody's life
[9:07] that that's what they're looking for and
[9:09] then they meet me or they hear about me
[9:11] yes that definitely happens and of
[9:13] course the the avenue programs that
[9:14] we've both written they're very
[9:16] accessible in terms of uh one price and
[9:19] two the amount of involvement that
[9:20] someone has to have in them which is
[9:22] just two or three minutes a day isn't it
[9:23] so uh
[9:24] and your program is is is lovely and
[9:26] gentle to to get your head around and to
[9:29] get into
[9:30] but when i first heard about it i just
[9:32] thought two minutes a day like what on
[9:34] earth can you do with two minutes a day
[9:36] i was so shocked in a way but actually
[9:38] when i put it together
[9:40] um
[9:41] and those two minutes are very compact
[9:44] and each two minutes has its little
[9:46] message that can kind of really grow
[9:48] over time and i saw the power of even
[9:50] that two minutes a day over 30 days and
[9:53] i've actually had people come back and
[9:55] people who've done nothing less than 30
[9:57] minutes or 60 minutes with me some of
[9:59] them over many years and they say
[10:01] they're actually really enjoying these
[10:03] little two-minute bites so i i guess
[10:05] that it's working
[10:06] well listen as we got we got the power
[10:08] of radio and the magic already should we
[10:10] just play one end so we can get an idea
[10:11] of what they sound like yeah sure and
[10:13] what's this one called
[10:16] um this one oh i'm just gonna check okay
[10:20] this one is called activate your body
[10:23] i actually don't want to tell you what
[10:25] it's about because
[10:27] it unfolds within the the new itself
[10:31] but it is just yeah yeah it's just like
[10:33] a little tweak a little something that
[10:35] might switch something on in your mind
[10:37] or in your body or even in your heart
[10:40] and make a difference thank you for
[10:42] sharing
[10:46] well that was very subtle wasn't it and
[10:49] lovely thank you so much for sharing
[10:51] that sarah so there's another 29 where
[10:53] that came from
[10:55] wonderful wonderful
[10:57] so your journey then i'm just fascinated
[10:59] by your journey because
[11:00] i love the way that timelines intertwine
[11:02] you know because and i'm still like a
[11:04] resistant healer and a resistant teacher
[11:07] you know this sort of stuff and i'm
[11:08] really owned up to being that person yet
[11:10] but i do i deliver it when people turn
[11:12] up did you find resistance to to growing
[11:16] into
[11:17] becoming a healer in yourself i
[11:20] experienced tremendous resistance to
[11:23] spirituality
[11:25] i learned how to heal because i was
[11:27] training with the chinese master for a
[11:29] very long time who was a very powerful
[11:31] healer and every single person there
[11:32] learned how to heal naturally and we did
[11:35] it in a way just by talking so there was
[11:37] no hands-on stuff or anything not at all
[11:40] like traditional healing and so that was
[11:42] very natural for me because i loved
[11:44] talking and i thought what a wonderful
[11:46] way to heal just through conversation
[11:48] that is like a conversation over the
[11:50] dinner table or sitting down you know
[11:52] very normal
[11:53] but what i really found very scary was
[11:57] admitting the spiritual part it it
[12:00] produced a lot of fears about
[12:03] i know being connected with
[12:05] anything about god or anything about
[12:07] religion
[12:08] and i don't know there was
[12:11] that that was very very hard for me um
[12:13] and it it's only probably in the last
[12:15] year or so i've discovered that there's
[12:17] a tremendous power
[12:19] in admitting it and talking openly about
[12:21] things like that it's really incredible
[12:24] even if you feel
[12:25] very incompetent as i often did i would
[12:28] talk about love and i would think oh my
[12:29] god you know
[12:31] like i have some experience but is that
[12:33] really enough and who am i to talk about
[12:35] this and
[12:37] all of that stuff but i just saw that it
[12:39] it just had such an impact on people
[12:42] and the braver i am to talk about what i
[12:45] really
[12:46] feel and experience inside
[12:49] i've noticed the more impact it has
[12:51] however much i might feel like oh
[12:54] should i really do that
[12:56] now i've just got a shiver down the back
[12:58] of my spine because uh
[13:01] this is the first time i've spoken about
[13:02] this on air to anybody
[13:04] and i'm in the same boat where i just
[13:06] feel that not only am i feeling that
[13:08] brave enough to talk about it and to
[13:10] share it and to teach it but also
[13:12] it feels to me that the world is ready
[13:14] to hear it and you know we do we we've
[13:16] had we've learned some fantastic things
[13:18] you know medical science is amazing
[13:21] what's been discovered but there's this
[13:22] other power that's within all of us and
[13:24] it's not a special thing that's just
[13:26] healers out there every single human in
[13:28] fact every life form is uh can tap into
[13:30] the healing energy so what sort of
[13:32] things just so people that maybe have
[13:34] not experienced this um this kind of
[13:37] healing what sort of things can be
[13:39] healed
[13:40] using these tools
[13:42] um
[13:44] a really nice example actually i was a
[13:46] client um my website has lots of
[13:50] recordings on it of like healing
[13:51] relaxations and video teaching and stuff
[13:54] like that i just teach people how to
[13:55] heal themselves with energy
[13:57] she's listened every single day she's a
[13:59] very good you know she just shows up
[14:01] every single day on the site and listens
[14:03] to stuff and sends me emails all the
[14:05] time and i do a few life group sessions
[14:08] as well so she comes to those she came
[14:10] in july with a mass of different
[14:13] sicknesses diabetes and then pains all
[14:16] over the place all her organs out of
[14:17] balance probably 10 or 20 years of
[14:21] of growing sickness chronic fatigue
[14:24] probably fibromyalgia the whole lot
[14:26] unable to work she told me the other day
[14:28] that she had she must have forgotten her
[14:31] insulin or something for her diabetes
[14:33] and just and it didn't make any
[14:35] difference and then she started to
[14:36] experiment and she said you know what if
[14:38] i take insulin now it makes me feel so
[14:40] sick
[14:41] that i just can't take it anymore
[14:44] and so
[14:45] you know if you can
[14:46] if you can heal those kind you know she
[14:48] was supposed to be on insulin for the
[14:49] rest of her life and i didn't do
[14:51] anything i didn't say anything it just
[14:53] you know help her to relax through that
[14:56] power of relaxation and receiving
[14:59] clean energy if you like fresh energy
[15:01] which is what i teach people how to do
[15:04] you can essentially
[15:06] release
[15:07] the roots of almost well any disease as
[15:10] long as you can stay alive long enough
[15:12] that's my principle you need to stay
[15:14] alive like so if somebody's very very
[15:16] sick and close to dying it's a
[15:18] everything's possible but it's extremely
[15:20] challenging
[15:22] but if you're alive as long as you're
[15:23] alive we are in a continual healing
[15:26] process that healing is becoming whole
[15:29] and we can become more and more whole
[15:31] because we can always become a greater
[15:33] whole so healing is not something you do
[15:35] just because you're sick it's something
[15:36] that we do
[15:38] just through our whole life every single
[15:40] day
[15:41] and because of that you can gradually
[15:44] just clean out more and more and more of
[15:46] the stuff that causes sickness
[15:49] and then you can learn to prevent the
[15:51] sicknesses you might get in the future
[15:53] and then the stuff that goes with aging
[15:56] and
[15:56] through that you totally turn
[15:59] the direction of your life around and
[16:01] who knows you know who knows where we'll
[16:02] go when we do this for
[16:04] i don't know 20 30 40 50 years
[16:08] but this is massive isn't it because not
[16:10] only can it have in microcosm it has a
[16:13] great benefit to an individual but if
[16:15] you scale this up to
[16:16] uh countries and you look at the whole
[16:18] health service and the health spending
[16:20] and this sort of stuff
[16:21] this could just save so much money and
[16:24] and give and also give people much
[16:25] better quality of life
[16:28] honestly tom you know when i think about
[16:30] it like i know how easy it is to train
[16:33] people to do what i do because if
[16:35] somebody's sick
[16:36] and they come and they learn it they
[16:38] become a healer some of them are more
[16:40] natural than others some people love it
[16:42] some people don't want to but everybody
[16:44] learns how to heal so it's that easy to
[16:46] train people that you work with them and
[16:49] then you know there's a little bit of
[16:50] advice that i can give them but not a
[16:52] lot
[16:53] and honestly one person if there was a
[16:55] crisis you know and the world health
[16:57] system kind of crashed down or something
[17:00] one person with the right technology
[17:02] could talk to thousands even millions of
[17:04] people they could heal them over the
[17:06] internet
[17:07] and
[17:08] i mean it's so phenomenal what's
[17:11] possible and it's so cheap
[17:13] to deliver
[17:15] it's like it almost doesn't make any
[17:17] sense in the context of what we're used
[17:19] to because it's such a such a different
[17:21] approach to doing things and you go away
[17:25] with this knowledge and
[17:28] increasing ease within yourself
[17:31] um a five-year-old can do it it's you
[17:33] know it's really easy
[17:35] so it is an incredible thing i think
[17:37] it's just the most wonderful thing that
[17:39] this kind of knowledge is coming through
[17:40] now because it it
[17:42] it will radically change not just on our
[17:45] health system it will change our health
[17:48] for
[17:49] for for our entire future
[17:51] so i guess there's a few elements to
[17:52] this isn't it the first is not to throw
[17:54] the baby out with the bath water because
[17:56] uh
[17:57] our health service professionals are
[17:58] amazing you know and and you know the
[18:00] the ability to fix people that have been
[18:02] in accidents and things like that is the
[18:03] technology
[18:05] and not only that and many people
[18:09] it you know something like this when you
[18:11] bring a new technology in this is like
[18:12] bringing in a new technology
[18:15] it's not something that people adopt
[18:16] overnight you know that you've got your
[18:18] early adopters and then you've got the
[18:20] people who follow them and you have to
[18:22] build trust and the medical system will
[18:24] have had to do that too when when they
[18:26] first introduced antibiotics i'm sure
[18:27] that not everybody rolled up for their
[18:29] antibiotics
[18:31] and this is harder because it takes
[18:33] commitment it's easy because it's
[18:35] enjoyable you feel great most of the
[18:38] time sometimes you don't because you
[18:39] know if you're sick you don't
[18:41] but it is harder because you can't just
[18:43] take something
[18:45] and you know just swallow something and
[18:47] then everything goes away
[18:49] um so yes then i think the whole point
[18:52] is about a faced transition but it's
[18:54] also about knowing that these kinds of
[18:57] possibilities are here so that
[18:58] especially for diseases that at the
[19:00] moment can't be easily dealt with
[19:02] medically and there are many of them
[19:05] people can much more actively start to
[19:07] explore different options
[19:09] wow and obviously
[19:11] i guess one of the fundamental tense of
[19:13] what you're talking about is that uh
[19:15] when you use this kind these these
[19:17] modalities in your life you don't get
[19:19] ill in the first place so you don't
[19:20] create a strain on the on the health
[19:22] system and have to go into these
[19:24] in into uh into hospital or going to see
[19:26] a doctor i can't remember the last time
[19:28] i saw a gp to be honest with you
[19:30] i know it's been about 20 25 years for
[19:32] me but i think yeah the
[19:35] the beauty of it is
[19:37] well what i find with with what i
[19:39] learned from really this incredible
[19:41] chinese knowledge is like if i feel a
[19:43] little pain or something in my body
[19:45] there's such a shift for me like i'm 55
[19:48] and i know
[19:49] that if i didn't have that experience if
[19:52] i start to feel aches and pains in my
[19:54] body i would say oh this is aging this
[19:56] is going to be with me probably for the
[19:58] rest of my life and then the likelihood
[20:00] is it will be and i don't say that i
[20:02] just say oh this is some kind of healing
[20:04] going on that's great and it goes away
[20:08] and you know that's such a huge
[20:10] difference
[20:12] because
[20:13] a lot of our understanding about health
[20:16] it's like a weight on us that pulls our
[20:19] health downwards and when you switch
[20:21] that around
[20:22] your health can lift upwards from the
[20:25] same point
[20:26] but maybe you do feel something i mean
[20:28] my i do feel things from time to time i
[20:30] think that's quite normal but they heal
[20:33] and go away because i never accept them
[20:35] as something that's long-term or getting
[20:37] worse or bad
[20:39] and that's the big shift interesting so
[20:42] on the zone show then this is i guess
[20:43] this is very resonant with the
[20:46] the concept uh behind the book that when
[20:48] you're in the zone everything goes
[20:50] really well and life is it goes
[20:52] swimmingly and then when you're out of
[20:53] the zone the wheels fall off the bus so
[20:55] i guess then these pains and aches and
[20:57] pains are like a symptom you've just
[20:59] fallen off
[21:00] in out of the zone for a while and you
[21:01] can get back in it at all so as we're on
[21:04] the zone show
[21:05] and i love experimenting
[21:07] could you just take our listeners
[21:09] through a
[21:10] and i haven't we haven't rehearsed this
[21:11] and we didn't i haven't briefed you on
[21:13] this at all but i know that you're up
[21:14] for it like intuitively i know you can
[21:16] do it can we do a quick sort of a few
[21:18] minutes um
[21:20] meditative journey for the listeners
[21:22] that would help them just release some
[21:23] aches and pains in their body
[21:25] sure
[21:26] okay
[21:28] thank you
[21:28] yeah so just uh close your eyes
[21:34] and sit back as comfortably as you can
[21:36] wherever you are
[21:39] and allow the weight of your body to
[21:42] drop down into the chair
[21:46] it's like all the heavy energy in your
[21:48] body the old energy
[21:51] is melting out of you
[21:53] melting down into the chair
[21:56] and into the ground
[22:00] and drop your mouth slightly open and
[22:03] breathe through your mouth
[22:04] which might make you feel a little bit
[22:06] stupid but it doesn't matter
[22:10] and breathe down into your stomach
[22:13] and lower belly
[22:17] just breathe nice and naturally nothing
[22:19] special
[22:21] and allow the weight the heaviness
[22:24] to drop down
[22:30] relax your stomach
[22:34] relax your lower belly
[22:39] and your hips
[22:43] and your lower back
[22:51] relax your legs
[22:57] and your feet
[23:00] so your body is gradually becoming more
[23:03] open
[23:05] softer
[23:08] and you start to receive some new
[23:12] fresh energy
[23:15] which is healing energy
[23:22] relax your forehead
[23:25] and your face
[23:27] so your face is soft
[23:30] and open
[23:33] just like you're sitting in the early
[23:35] morning sun and the sun's shining on
[23:37] your body and warming you up
[23:40] there's this beautiful fresh energy
[23:44] that is flowing through you
[23:47] and heals
[23:49] and releases
[23:51] and refreshes
[23:54] and recharges
[23:58] just let that energy flow through you
[24:01] and relax you
[24:04] and bring you some ease
[24:07] and peace
[24:14] okay now just stay very relaxed you
[24:16] don't really need to come out of it
[24:19] just stay there stay relaxed
[24:21] stay peaceful
[24:24] and stay receiving fresh energy
[24:31] and see if you can do that even a little
[24:34] bit more later during the day
[24:38] thank you
[24:39] oh thank you a gift to share thank you
[24:41] so much sarah that was beautiful and i
[24:44] have to tell you that um we're doing
[24:46] this on a skype video call
[24:50] and i i podcast these so you hear the
[24:52] audio but i'm going to put the video of
[24:54] this up on youtube because
[24:55] as you were speaking all i could see was
[24:58] the most perfect halo around your head
[25:01] oh that's nice
[25:02] it was almost like the old religious
[25:04] iconography you know where you see the
[25:05] perfect white halo around
[25:08] you must be
[25:09] you must be very sensitive to energy
[25:12] well it's a technique we can maybe talk
[25:14] about i think this is the the great
[25:16] thing about the zone show is we can talk
[25:17] about anything and it's it's it's rare
[25:20] for me to be able to speak with somebody
[25:22] uh
[25:23] of your
[25:24] caliber i would say you're amazing here
[25:26] i can just sense that
[25:27] and something i'd like to do is explain
[25:30] how i see auras over skype which
[25:32] shouldn't be done so i'm an xbc tv
[25:34] engineer right so i know how light goes
[25:37] into a camera gets converted into
[25:38] electrons beamed hardware on the planet
[25:41] and then gets converted in light so the
[25:42] other person can see it but for some
[25:44] years i've been able to see auras over
[25:46] skype which doesn't make electronic
[25:48] sense
[25:49] so what happens is your third eye
[25:52] sees the aura in the other person
[25:55] that's the way you perceive it and the
[25:56] way you do it and i'm going to share
[25:58] this with with the listeners and i'll
[26:00] put a link under the podcast so you can
[26:02] go and look at the video of this if you
[26:04] want to experience this because i want
[26:05] to share this with the world what you do
[26:07] is you look straight in in sarah's eyes
[26:10] uh on the video is then this works on
[26:13] replay as well as it does live which is
[26:14] the weirdest thing but you then focus
[26:17] your attention goes above and below
[26:19] sarah's head and to the left and right
[26:21] of her ears so you're even looking right
[26:23] in her eyes on the video and and i'd
[26:25] love for people to put comments on this
[26:27] on this vlog or on the youtube video of
[26:30] what they experienced because i think we
[26:31] need to share that the energy is
[26:33] shifting and there's some wonderful
[26:35] things happening on the planet right now
[26:37] so
[26:38] it's going to be not only was a live
[26:40] unrehearsed um
[26:41] visualization that sarah took us through
[26:43] that was beautiful but also let's do
[26:45] some live research and put the debate
[26:47] out there
[26:48] cool it's rather like looking at those
[26:50] 3d pictures isn't it exactly where you
[26:52] have to kind of make your focus all
[26:53] blurry and then suddenly it kind of
[26:55] clicks
[26:57] now and then but if i go with my
[26:59] attention drops into the now it then
[27:01] disappears again you know what i mean
[27:02] yeah so listen i don't think we can top
[27:04] that so i'm going to say so where can
[27:06] people find out about you where can they
[27:08] find your your your avenue
[27:11] um the simplest way to find everything
[27:14] actually because i have different
[27:15] choices for people at different places
[27:17] in their life whether they need like
[27:19] physical healing or relationship healing
[27:21] or other kinds of healing i have a
[27:22] website which is just my name
[27:24] sarahmacrum.com
[27:25] and on the homepage there are links to
[27:27] all the other things so that's really
[27:28] the simplest place it will take you to
[27:30] the avenue to heart of healing which is
[27:32] the healing site and to some other
[27:34] things as well
[27:36] and will you do me the great pleasure
[27:37] for coming back on the zelda show again
[27:39] in the new year i would i would love to
[27:41] i've really enjoyed it it's so nice to
[27:43] be able to talk
[27:45] openly
[27:46] in a public setting you know often when
[27:48] you're going into public people say oh
[27:50] you better be careful about that and you
[27:52] shouldn't do that but i don't feel that
[27:54] with you it's like everything's open so
[27:56] it's really a nice experience
[27:58] oh thank you so much and my view is is
[28:00] that you know i i didn't know any of
[28:03] this stuff until i was about 45 and then
[28:05] i started to experience it and rather
[28:06] than trying to suppress it as a
[28:07] scientist and an engineer i thought well
[28:09] let's research what is happening you
[28:11] know how are we just healing people in
[28:13] an instant how are rashes just
[28:14] disappearing on people's bodies and and
[28:16] people people's gluten allergies just
[28:18] disappearing i've even healed people's
[28:20] second degree burns and the skin's just
[28:23] healed itself you know and to me this
[28:24] this doesn't need to be put under the in
[28:28] the closet it needs to be researched and
[28:29] needs to be looked at because it's a
[28:31] real actual thing that's happening right
[28:33] now which is amazing yeah and it's the
[28:34] future yeah which is it's now but it's
[28:37] such a great future for us
[28:39] well sarah i'm so thrilled that our
[28:42] timelines have crossed and i've got to
[28:43] thank the wonderful people at avenue for
[28:45] bringing such amazing souls together
[28:47] which they're doing daniel prosper
[28:48] you're doing a job which is
[28:50] much bigger than i think we all know and
[28:52] you know so thank you for that and uh
[28:54] and i'm so pleased that you're coming to
[28:56] our world sarah
[28:57] and thank you very much tom
[29:23] you