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Inspiration

Eagle View, Mouse View: A Method for When You're Stuck

Martha Beck
Martha Beck
May 9, 2019
10 min read
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Most of us know the feeling: a blank stare at the screen, or a crowded mind where every option looks equally impossible. In a live session of her Gathering Room broadcast, posted to her channel in May 2019, the teacher Martha Beck takes on that exact condition, the paralysis of not knowing what to do, and offers a two-part method she calls "eagle view, mouse view." The first half asks you to rise above your daily life and name what you want the world, and your own soul, to receive from this lifetime. The second half brings you back to the ground to take one small, physical step. Beck's argument is that direction comes from holding both views at once, and that the paralysis itself usually has an identifiable source: we have been running on other people's scripts since childhood, and those scripts often contradict each other. What follows explains the logic behind the method, why the two altitudes matter, and how her smaller ideas about fear and momentum fit inside it.

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Why does "I don't know what to do" feel so bewildering in the first place?

Beck begins with an observation that sounds almost like a joke until you sit with it. Historically, she notes, most people were too busy surviving to have this problem. She cites a figure about rural African women who spend 40% of their time carrying water. For those women, the day is organized by necessity. In the developed world, by contrast, most of us are sitting at screens with what she calls "this incredible luxury cog leisure time," and the freedom is disorienting. Even busy people, she says, often can't work out how to direct their behavior so that it feels rewarding.

Her diagnosis is that we are so socially oriented that we stop acting from an impulse inside us. "We start living our lives by scripts from very, very early on," she says in the session (around 4:00 in the video). Those scripts work fine in a simple culture. In a complicated one, with competing pressures, they can leave you with "a hodgepodge of things that all seem equally bewilderingly impossible," or with directives that cancel each other out.

Her example is gender roles, which she describes as pulling in opposite directions. One traditional script says to give up individual pursuits to be with other people and care for them. The other, associated with the modern and supposedly masculine role, says to give up community and go out to aggrandize yourself. "Those two things are pressuring everyone and they're completely contradictory," she says (about 4:53), "and that leaves you always feeling like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't." The point is not a verdict on either role. It is that a person handed two incompatible scripts will stall, because every available move violates one of them.

Beck then widens the frame to show how universal the stall is. You finish raising your children and don't know what to do. You finish school, get fired, get sick, watch a marriage end, and the same blankness returns. "Nobody tells us what to do anymore," she says (around 5:21), "or they tell us what to do so much that it makes us want to die." Her method is built as a response to that moment, not as a cure for a single crisis.

What is the eagle view, and why start there?

The first step is to lift your attention to a high altitude and look at your largest desires and objectives. Beck's reason is practical: big objectives "can help steer the choices you make in the near term." An eagle, she points out, can spot a mouse moving in the grass two miles away. You are not trying to plan the next decade in detail. You are trying to see the terrain clearly enough that small choices start to point somewhere.

She gives two questions to ask yourself from up there. The first is outward-facing: how do I want this world to be different because I lived in it? Beck's own answer is modest and specific to her work: she would like to leave less suffering in the world, to create less of it or ease the suffering that exists. She offers examples of very different scale. You might imagine a huge shift, like Elon Musk's stated wish to see humans colonize Mars, or something as small as leaving one happy child behind. Whatever the scale, the instruction is to write it down.

The second question is inward-facing and assumes what she calls a spiritual perspective: that we are spiritual beings having a human experience. How do I want to be different because I lived in this world? If your soul came in with a certain level of awareness, and is having a deliberate experience of being embodied, what does it want? Beck's answer: "I want to have less fear. I want to learn to have joy without fear." She also lists the kind of experiences she came to collect, and notes that she first did this exercise around age 27 and has since had many of them. Her image is memorable: "It's like I'm antiquing in the thrift shop of the world." Her examples of such experiences range from wanting to have a child, to hiking the Grand Canyon, to driving a Lamborghini on the autobahn once.

If you want a practical reading of the exercise, the two questions do different jobs. The outward one gives you a direction of service or impact. The inward one gives you a list of experiences and qualities your own life is meant to hold. Together they describe where you are headed, which is the thing a stalled person usually cannot see.

How does mouse view turn a big direction into a next move?

Beck's central point is that everything you do, moment to moment, moves toward some goal, but you can only advance physically by doing what is immediately in front of you. That is the job of mouse view. The Lakota, she says, used the eagle to represent the big spiritual perspective, and the mouse represents the close one. A mouse sees only what is right in front of it, feels with its whiskers, and does not think much beyond that.

The warning is in the mouse's weakness. "Without direction they will not travel very far in a straight line," she says (around 9:30), "they'll just kind of meander." Most of us, she suggests, spend our lives meandering, moving from one thing we were trained to do to the next. The eagle view supplies the direction that stops the wandering. The mouse view converts that direction into a sequence of concrete actions you can actually take today.

This is why the method needs both halves. Eagle view without mouse view is a beautiful vision that never leaves the page. Mouse view without eagle view is busyness with no destination, and it is exactly what produces the meandering she describes. The practice is to look up, find where you want to go, and then come down and take the next small step that points that way.

What do small steps have to do with fear?

Much of the session turns to live questions from viewers, and the answers sharpen the method. A recurring theme is fear, which Beck links directly to the "joy without fear" she named as her own goal. One listener's idea, offered by a caller named Barb, was to take little steps and see that nothing really bad happens. Beck picks this up with approval. Her broader point is that the mouse does not have to leap across a chasm. It takes the next whisker-length move and checks what happens.

Another caller describes a "turtle step" approach, and Beck says it is how she tries to do everything. The image is useful: a turtle does not hurry, does not look far, and keeps moving. For someone overwhelmed by the size of a goal, the turtle step is the mouse view in its slowest form. You are not trying to solve the whole problem. You are trying to take the one next action that the eagle's big picture implies.

Why does the monkey mind keep getting in the way?

Beck also addresses the mind's restlessness, which she frames as a monkey that must be given a task. In the session she says the monkey mind will get in the way of a whole process unless it has something specific to do. Her treatment is brief in the excerpt, but the logic is consistent with the rest of the method: direction lets the restless part of you participate instead of sabotaging. A vague sense of "I should be doing something" tends to generate noise. A concrete task, tied to a direction you have actually chosen, gives it somewhere to go.

Her closing note is a reminder that the whole exercise is a practice, not a single insight. She says she knows many of these ideas have been covered before, and bringing them up again is worthwhile because the paralysis returns. The eagle and mouse are not identities you adopt once. You shift between them, depending on whether you need the view that points toward the horizon or the one that finds the next step.

How do I start using eagle view and mouse view today?

Start with paper. Set aside time away from screens, which in Beck's terms is the luxury problem she began with. Write down the answer to the outward question, how you want the world to be different because you lived in it. Then write the inward answer: what your soul appears to want from this life, including experiences you would like to have. Keep both lists short enough that you can remember them.

Then come down to mouse view. Look at your current week and ask what single action points toward one item on either list. Keep it turtle-sized. Take it, notice what actually happens, and repeat. You may find, as Beck suggests with her own meandering history, that once the direction is clear the next step becomes much easier to see.

Where to go from here

The most useful next move is to watch the full session, which runs just over half an hour and includes the live caller questions that flesh out the method. Pair it with Beck's books, since she notes that part of this exercise appears in one of them, though she is not certain which. If you want to test the idea, keep a two-column note for a month: the eagle question on the left, the mouse step on the right. You are not looking for certainty. You are looking for the moment when "I don't know what to do" becomes a small, specific thing you can actually do.

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[0:02] - Hello.

[0:04] Hi everybody, welcome to the Gathering Room.

[0:07] It is on.

[0:08] - Hi.

[0:10] - Hello, and it is I, Martha Beck and Rowan the gracious

[0:14] badger wombat in Australia.

[0:17] - Yes, yes, from far away for some but near for others.

[0:22] - Badgers like wombat.

[0:25] - Yeah, I'm a wombat (indistinct).

[0:27] - I love a wombat.

[0:29] Have I told you all they poop in cubes?

[0:31] Oh, yes, look at the peoples.

[0:34] - Wendy from Guelph.

[0:35] - Wendy from Guelph.

[0:37] - (indistinct). We've got Ashley from Brisbane, hello.

[0:41] - Hey.

[0:42] - Meagan from Paris.

[0:44] Donna, hi, Donna.

[0:45] - We've gone so international.

[0:47] - I know, it's awesome. I can't even keep up.

[0:51] - Somebody is going to come from the moon.

[0:53] Ooh! Saskatchewan, beautiful and cool.

[0:57] Hello, Gillian.

[0:58] Hello, Cynthia.

[1:00] - We have Lucy, Margarita.

[1:04] Hi, Rebecca.

[1:06] - Hi there, Rebecca.

[1:08] - Jordie, just from just around the corner.

[1:10] (laughs)

[1:11] - "Wendy is back on her game," says Donna.

[1:13] - Wendy, Wendy, I left you in adjust today, Donna.

[1:17] Hi, Eugenia.

[1:20] - Oh, all our lovelies.

[1:22] - Marni, I love your faces.

[1:24] Look at their faces,

[1:25] and I'm starting to know their faces, right?

[1:28] - Yeah.

[1:29] - It's like walking in and going,

[1:30] "Hi, how are you doing this week? I see you."

[1:32] Hi, Mary Ann.

[1:33] - Hi, Mary Ann.

[1:35] - Kind of talked to Mary Ann on the coach call,

[1:37] I was going to coach her but I think she was gone already.

[1:41] Oh, yes. Ashley loves wombats too.

[1:43] They are so cubular, they just are like cubular solids,

[1:49] when I read that they poop in cubes, like what a skill.

[1:54] You just don't know the skills people have.

[1:57] (laughs)

[1:58] - From Malta, we got a owl in from Malta.

[2:02] Beautiful.

[2:03] - Oh my gosh.

[2:05] - Hey from UK, Aruba.

[2:07] Yay! Aruba is awesome with all those iguanas.

[2:13] Hi, Florence, how you doing?

[2:16] (indistinct)

[2:17] - This is Mike, my heart filters are warm.

[2:21] (weird sound)

[2:23] - (indistinct).

[2:25] - Oh, hi, Teresa Darlan.

[2:28] Are we...

[2:30] - We're way up.

[2:32] Yeah, it is absolutely full.

[2:34] - All right.

[2:35] - All right, I'll get out of here and you go

[2:39] wow them with what to do when you don't know what to do.

[2:43] See you later.

[2:46] - I was just thinking about how do you...

[2:48] This is kind of the question of my entire life,

[2:51] because for once we all don't have the immediate

[2:55] problem of survival,

[2:56] we don't have to go get water from the stream.

[2:59] African rural women spend 40% of their time carrying water.

[3:04] There's not a lot of time left to

[3:08] keep your house from burning down or whatever.

[3:10] In the developed world most of us looking at our

[3:12] computers aren't dealing with that kind of thing.

[3:14] We have this incredible luxury cog leisure time,

[3:19] and even if you are really busy,

[3:22] which I have been at many points in my life,

[3:24] sometimes you don't know how to orient your behavior

[3:27] so that it feels rewarding.

[3:29] Sometimes you can be just sitting there blankly going,

[3:32] "I don't know what to do,"

[3:33] and sometimes it's just like, "There's so much happening,

[3:35] I don't know what to do,"

[3:36] and sometimes it's a combination.

[3:38] There's this bewildering array of options

[3:40] and a kind of vacuousness inside you,

[3:43] and I think the reason for this is that we're so

[3:47] socially oriented that we get use to not coming from

[3:51] the impulse within us, and we start living our lives by

[3:55] scripts from very, very early on,

[3:58] and then what happens is as you get into a culture where

[4:02] there are all kinds of different impulses and different

[4:05] ideas interacting and different pressures,

[4:07] and some of the pressures are even contradictory,

[4:10] at that point tuning into those social scripts can

[4:14] leave you with an either a hodgepodge of things that all

[4:18] seem equally bewilderingly impossible,

[4:22] or even with things that contradict each other,

[4:25] gender roles in particular.

[4:27] The traditional male-female gender roles contradict...

[4:31] Well, (indistinct) and traditional roles

[4:34] contradict each other.

[4:35] One says give up individual pursuits to be with other

[4:39] people and to care for them,

[4:41] and the other one, the traditional...

[4:44] or the modern society and the supposedly masculine role

[4:47] is give up all community and just go out and do

[4:51] things that aggrandize yourself.

[4:53] So those two things are pressuring everyone and they're

[4:57] completely contradictory and that leaves you always feeling

[5:00] like you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[5:04] So they're different reasons we don't know what to do.

[5:06] You get to the end of raising your children,

[5:08] you don't know what to do,

[5:09] get to the end of school, you don't know what to do,

[5:11] you get fired from a job, don't know what to do,

[5:13] you get sick, you don't know what to do,

[5:15] your marriage falls apart, you don't know what to do.

[5:18] Nobody tells us what to do anymore,

[5:21] or they tell us what to do so much that it makes

[5:23] us want to die.

[5:25] So I have methods, I have ways I'm helping myself know

[5:29] what to do and I found them very useful.

[5:31] So I'm going to take you guys through this little

[5:34] thought experiment, and part of it is in one of my books,

[5:38] I have no idea which.

[5:41] So if you'd rather pardon the repetition,

[5:44] but it's still always good to do this little exercise,

[5:47] and I call it eagle view, mouse view.

[5:50] The first thing we're going to do is we're going to

[5:54] take an eagle's eye view of your life,

[5:56] and that means we're going to look at your big desires

[6:00] and your big objectives,

[6:03] because that can help steer the choices

[6:05] you make in the near term.

[6:06] Eagles can see...

[6:07] Like they can see a mouse moving

[6:09] in the grass two miles away.

[6:11] So we're going to go up high and we're going to look

[6:13] at our lives by asking two questions.

[6:16] The first question I want you to ask yourself is

[6:20] how do I want this world to be different

[6:22] because I lived in it?

[6:25] So if you believe in multiple lifetimes,

[6:27] we're just talking about this one lifetime.

[6:29] How do I want the world to be different

[6:30] because I lived in it?

[6:33] Do you want some huge shift like Elon Musk wants us

[6:36] all to colonize Mars.

[6:39] Do you want to leave one happy child to bless the

[6:42] world once you've passed on?

[6:44] Do you want to teach everyone to be more healthy

[6:49] or ease suffering?

[6:51] Whatever.

[6:53] Yeah.

[6:54] So think about it, how do you want the world to be different

[6:57] because you lived in it?

[6:58] Just think of anything, you can jot it down.

[7:01] Mine is I would really like to leave less

[7:04] suffering in the world,

[7:05] create less suffering or ease the suffering in the world.

[7:08] Okay. So then you say the opposite question.

[7:12] This is assuming that we are spiritual beings

[7:15] having a human experience,

[7:17] and this questions is how do I want to be different

[7:21] because I lived in the world?

[7:23] So if you just imagine that you came in with a certain

[7:26] level of awareness or capacity or consciousness

[7:31] and you're alive for whatever reason so that

[7:35] your soul is having a deliberate experience

[7:38] of being incarnated in this body,

[7:41] what does it want?

[7:42] What is it here to get, that soul of yours?

[7:46] How do I want to be different because I lived in this world?

[7:51] One of mine would be I want to have less fear.

[7:55] I want to learn to have joy without fear,

[8:01] and I would like to have certain memories of things,

[8:05] many of which...

[8:06] The first time I did this exercise I was maybe 27,

[8:11] and since then I've had so many of the experiences

[8:14] that I came to earth to collect.

[8:18] Right?

[8:19] It's like I'm antiquing in the thrift shop of the world.

[8:25] These are things that you put on your bucket list

[8:27] or things like if you want to have a child or

[8:29] if you want a hike the Grand Canyon

[8:33] or if you want to

[8:37] just once drive a Lamborghini

[8:39] on the autobahn, whatever it is.

[8:44] Yeah?

[8:45] How do you want to be different

[8:46] because you lived in the world?

[8:47] How do you want the world to be different

[8:49] because you lived in it?

[8:52] Now that is your eagle view.

[8:55] Now here's the thing,

[8:56] everything that you do on a moment to moment basis

[9:02] is moving towards some goal,

[9:05] but we're drop going to drop down from eagle view into

[9:08] what I call mouse view because we can only move forward

[9:11] in a physical sense by doing what is immediately

[9:15] in front of us and the Lakotas Indians

[9:18] used eagles to represent this big spiritual perspective,

[9:22] and mice are little creatures that can only

[9:25] see what's right in front of them

[9:26] and they can feel with their little whiskers

[9:28] and they really don't think about much else.

[9:30] So without direction they will not travel very

[9:33] far in a straight line,

[9:34] they'll just kind of meander, right?

[9:36] Now most of us spend our lives meandering.

[9:39] We kind of go from one thing we've been trained to do

[9:42] to another thing we've been trained to do,

[9:43] and then we get a chance to do this and someone gives

[9:46] us a job doing that and we just kind of meander from

[9:49] thing to thing going to whatever is in front of us.

[9:53] It rarely occurs to anyone that they could step back

[9:56] and change anything at any point.

[9:59] I love the students I used to teach at

[10:01] Thunderbird Business School,

[10:03] and when I started teaching this sort of life development

[10:06] stuff to them there was one guy...

[10:08] The thing I loved about them was they thought in terms of

[10:11] big, massive changes that they could make at any time

[10:15] because they were international business students.

[10:18] So one guy wanted...

[10:20] He said, "Well, what I would do is travel the world

[10:22] but I don't have the money,"

[10:23] and we sat there and brainstormed and figured out that if he

[10:27] contacted some of his friends,

[10:28] got jobs on ships,

[10:30] I can't even remember what we figured out,

[10:32] but all the kids...

[10:33] Kids? They were in their thirties,

[10:35] all the students were giving each other ideas about how

[10:40] they could go traveling right now,

[10:42] like Europe on $5 a day or whatever,

[10:45] and three days later he just left.

[10:49] You can actually...

[10:50] A lot of us have a lot of businesses and social ties

[10:53] that we can't sever that quickly,

[10:55] but you really can decide to make a big decision and

[10:58] not think I can not do that, it's too big.

[11:02] The only reason you can't do things is

[11:04] that you don't decide to do them.

[11:07] Well, that's not the only reason,

[11:08] but as I like to say,

[11:10] you can dream a lot of things without doing them

[11:12] but there is nothing that you can do

[11:14] without having dreamed it, like a big and wonderful thing.

[11:19] You have to imagine it first or you will never do it,

[11:22] and the biggest reason people don't have big experiences

[11:24] in the world, typically, is that they don't imagine it.

[11:28] They want it to be dropped on them,

[11:31] they don't imagine actually doing it, yeah?

[11:36] What you want to do is go up to that eagle vision place

[11:39] and then you drop down to your mouse view.

[11:41] So I want to ease suffering in the world,

[11:43] that was my thing,

[11:44] and I want to experience delight and compassion.

[11:49] What today can I do in a mouse way

[11:53] that takes me toward my eagle goal?

[11:57] Well, this is one thing.

[11:59] I could just start a Gathering Room online and we could

[12:03] get online every week and we could yammer,

[12:05] I can yammer at you and we could talk about ways

[12:09] that we can change our lives.

[12:10] We can connect with each other with the divine

[12:13] and with love, essentially.

[12:18] This is one thing I could do today, what's another thing?

[12:23] Well, I am working on a book and I haven't

[12:27] been writing on it lately

[12:28] but it's really designed to help people.

[12:30] So if I just go on there and get it for five minutes,

[12:32] that's a good little thing a mouse could do,

[12:34] and it takes me toward my eagle goals.

[12:37] That is another example.

[12:38] Now here is an important point and then I'll open

[12:41] (indistinct) for questions.

[12:42] First thing is you can't always do both these

[12:45] things at once.

[12:46] Sometimes if you're really overwhelmed,

[12:48] the eagle vision isn't even accessible,

[12:50] like if you have five kids under six

[12:56] and a full-time job and your life is really hard,

[12:59] it's like, okay, I can't even think in terms of

[13:01] what the world wants.

[13:03] Okay, well, in that case you take care of the mouse.

[13:06] You do things that comfort the body,

[13:11] you get babysitters to help,

[13:13] you find ways to make your job a little more...

[13:17] a little easier to do.

[13:18] You do whatever it takes to just care for this

[13:22] little material self and you exercise compassion toward it.

[13:26] You lie down and take a nap,

[13:28] you get yourself something healthy to eat.

[13:31] You just do little things for the mouse, mouse things.

[13:35] Then there are times when you're like,

[13:38] "Oh, I can't do any mouse things.

[13:40] I'm too sick," for example.

[13:43] If you have fibromyalgia like I do,

[13:46] or chronic fatigue syndrome like others do,

[13:50] sometimes you can't actually even move.

[13:53] You can't even move so what do you do then?

[13:56] With the mouse completely disabled, you become an eagle.

[14:00] You go into your spirit and you go up high

[14:03] and you start soaring around looking at the big picture

[14:05] and saying, "What is my soul here to do?"

[14:07] And for almost twelve years that was a lot of what I did,

[14:11] was mouse incapacitated and overwhelmed,

[14:16] no place to go but bed,

[14:18] so accept in my spirit and then I could go anywhere,

[14:23] and I spent all this time floating around

[14:27] with my imagination and my spirit

[14:29] and that was one way I started moving forward

[14:32] and then I when started to get better because of my forward

[14:35] movement I had this massive set of objectives

[14:39] because I had spent so much time looking from a eagle view.

[14:43] Either take care of the mouse,

[14:46] that's if you can't get an eagle vision,

[14:48] or if the mouse is just unable

[14:50] to be cared for except lying still,

[14:53] then you just go into spirit and spend your time in

[14:57] imagination and creation without any physical action

[15:00] whatsoever for a little while.

[15:03] Right, yes.

[15:06] So whatever...

[15:08] Last week we talked about whatever pulls you

[15:11] and the last thing I will say is that the thing...

[15:15] If there are several things that you could possibly do

[15:17] you choose the one that sparks joy.

[15:20] Thank you, Marie Kondo.

[15:23] If I'm doing the Gathering Room it sparks some kind of joy.

[15:27] My book sparks a little joy.

[15:29] Anything else spark joy?

[15:31] Well,

[15:34] spending time with my son today sparks joy,

[15:38] and that in a weird way...

[15:39] I mean, it's just adding one more tiny grain of sand

[15:43] to the (indistinct) of our relationship but it's love

[15:46] and it adds to things and it's enough.

[15:48] These thing are enough.

[15:50] They add up, especially if we keep going eagle, mouse,

[15:53] eagle, mouse, and making sure they can talk to each other.

[15:58] So now I want to open up to questions.

[16:01] - Okay.

[16:03] So we have a lot of people sharing

[16:05] their eagle vision dreams, which is wonderful.

[16:08] - Oh, wonderful. I love that.

[16:10] - It's a beautiful thing.

[16:11] I have a question here from Karen who says,

[16:13] "How do I stop talking myself out of my big eagle vision

[16:16] when my mouse view me I crave more?

[16:19] How to get out of that cycle?"

[16:20] So when there's that tension.

[16:23] The mouse view is telling her that she craves more

[16:25] but when she goes into eagle she shuts herself down

[16:28] and tells herself that...

[16:31] - Talk yourself out of your big eagle vision.

[16:34] To me when the mouse craves more it's the same thing,

[16:37] it's when the eagle has a vision.

[16:41] - I think what she's saying is that her mouse self

[16:43] craves more but when she goes into the eagle vision

[16:45] she talks herself out of it because it's too big.

[16:50] - Oh, then you're not really touching the eagle.

[16:53] The eagle...

[16:56] Okay, so the eagle is consciousness.

[17:00] The eagle is your soul.

[17:02] Your soul doesn't know any limitations whatsoever.

[17:06] So you need to be more playful.

[17:08] You need to realize that you don't have to enact

[17:11] everything you imagine.

[17:13] Your imagination, just playing in imagination

[17:16] has absolutely no repercussions.

[17:19] It can, it can mean everything or it can mean nothing.

[17:22] If you put too much pressure on it

[17:24] then your imagination shuts down.

[17:27] Another thing you can do is take a little scan of the world,

[17:32] drive around your neighborhood, drive around your city,

[17:36] or cruise through the internet looking at things that

[17:39] are interesting to you and always saying,

[17:42] does anything here spark my interest?

[17:44] Does anything here make me fascinated?

[17:47] Ooh, I was reading this book about attention

[17:50] and it said we get exhausted from focusing our attention.

[17:53] So the way you rest your attention,

[17:55] because you know those times when lying down is actually

[17:59] hard because your mind doesn't know where to go?

[18:00] Actually watching TV is easier than just lying there.

[18:06] The way to rest your attention is to find fascination

[18:10] and fascination is attention without effort.

[18:13] So whatever fascinates you is a really,

[18:16] really good way to guide your mouse into the eagle vision,

[18:20] because the only thing saying you have to shut down

[18:25] the big dreams, that's not mouse or eagle,

[18:28] that's just fear.

[18:30] Mouse and eagle don't know fear.

[18:31] Mouse and eagle never think, "I'm not good enough.

[18:34] It'll never happen for me."

[18:35] They're mouse, they're eagle.

[18:38] They do.

[18:39] (laughs)

[18:40] - Well, this is kind of related then because Brooke says,

[18:42] what if you aren't quite sure what your eagle goal is?

[18:46] - Give it some time. Spend some time flying around.

[18:49] Make sure you think lofty, have lofty ideas for yourself.

[18:54] Things like how am I going to change this everloving world?

[18:59] What could I do?

[19:01] Look at the people, like if you...

[19:03] I remember reading a book when I was in bed sick,

[19:07] couldn't move for years on end,

[19:08] and I had this book and it said,

[19:10] "Think of anyone's job you could possibly have if you

[19:15] could just snap your fingers and have a job,"

[19:18] and I shocked myself

[19:21] by thinking immediately of a guy

[19:24] named John Rega who was on PBS doing this seminar

[19:29] on his book championing...

[19:31] It was called Homecoming, Championing Your Inner Child,

[19:34] and I didn't read pop psychology at the time,

[19:37] I didn't know what a seminar was,

[19:38] I didn't read self-help books,

[19:41] but immediately I thought I wanted this job.

[19:44] Here's the thing, I actually think that the eagle is

[19:47] not just imagination, it is a part of me that is outside

[19:51] of time and it actually knows what your destiny is.

[19:54] Oh, I should give them the...

[19:57] I know we've done this before but it bears reminding.

[20:01] You can't think what the eagle wants,

[20:03] ask your heart what it yearns for

[20:07] and what you yearn for is an eagle vision, I promise you.

[20:13] You do not feel yearning fascination of the heart

[20:16] without effort unless something is talking

[20:20] to you through time.

[20:23] Brooke, ask yourself what you yearn for and see where

[20:26] it takes you and then notice if you think,

[20:28] "I want that, I want his job, I want that thing."

[20:32] Let yourself know it, let yourself entertain it,

[20:36] think it may be possible, send your mouse that way.

[20:41] - Excellent.

[20:42] We have a lot of people talking about fear,

[20:44] fear of the eagle vision.

[20:46] So I'll put Donna's question up.

[20:47] What if the eagle vision scares the hell out of you

[20:49] because achieving it will result in so much change

[20:51] that is unknown?

[20:52] Or the eagle vision will potentially hurt others

[20:55] or result in loss?

[20:56] So people that are worried it's about fear

[20:57] but they're not sure what to do about it.

[20:58] - Right, and here's the thing,

[21:01] every eagle vision will result in loss.

[21:06] Absolutely, without question.

[21:08] And so will everything else.

[21:11] Loss is a permanent fixed amsolute in human life

[21:15] because if you withhold from pursuing your eagle vision

[21:21] because you're afraid of loss,

[21:22] you lose your eagle vision.

[21:24] You lose your purpose, you lose everything.

[21:27] What profiteth a man if he should gain the world

[21:29] and lose his own soul? So it says in the good book.

[21:36] Are people going to be potentially hurt?

[21:38] (sighs)

[21:39] Okay, so I've got a dream that says I want to reduce

[21:42] suffering in the world,

[21:43] guess what?

[21:44] A lot of people feel like I've hurt them doing that.

[21:46] I didn't mean to but I've done things, all kinds of things

[21:52] that people said hurt their feelings.

[21:53] I didn't answer their letters or I dissed their religion

[21:56] or whatever it was,

[21:59] but I would probably hurt those people anyway even if

[22:02] I didn't pursue my eagle vision,

[22:05] and at least I have lost my eagle vision, right?

[22:11] Another biblical analogy, Jesus said there was a man

[22:15] who had everything and then he found just one pearl

[22:18] that was absolutely perfect,

[22:20] and the pearl represents enlightenment,

[22:22] and Jesus told him,

[22:24] "Sell all of your stuff and buy that one pearl."

[22:29] Enlightenment will cost you everything, 100% certain,

[22:33] and you want it.

[22:37] - Yeah. So Barb has one great idea about the fear.

[22:42] She said, "If I feel fear when in mouse,

[22:44] will taking the little steps wear out the fear?"

[22:48] - No, but it can make you able to keep going

[22:50] even though you're afraid.

[22:52] That's pretty much the best I have ever been able to do.

[22:55] No, that's not true.

[22:56] If you question your own thoughts and you stay routed

[22:59] in the present moment and you don't project into future,

[23:02] there is no fear.

[23:04] That's a practice. It's not easy.

[23:08] If you learn to take little steps and nothing really bad

[23:11] happens and then you don't take steps sometimes,

[23:13] then guess what? Bad things still happen.

[23:15] Eventually you realize whether I do things or not

[23:17] this is the kind of planet where scary things

[23:20] have to happen, and then you're like,

[23:21] "Okay, I could be scared and not move forward at all

[23:25] or I could be scared and move forward a little bit

[23:27] everyday," which is preferable,

[23:29] and then you do find as you take...

[23:32] When I was 14 years old I realized I was either going to be

[23:34] agoraphobic, like under the bed agoraphobic,

[23:38] or I was going to have to do things

[23:40] that frighten me everyday.

[23:41] So when I was 14 I made an absolute commitment that I

[23:45] would do at least one thing that frightens me everyday,

[23:48] which was easy because everything frightened me.

[23:51] It is true that if you actually pursue doing things that

[23:55] frighten you, you will end up having much less

[23:58] fear of most things because you'll do them.

[24:02] Like I had horrible fear of public speaking,

[24:04] I joined the debate team.

[24:06] I got up to give an impromptu speech

[24:08] and dropped in a dead faint, and I woke and went,

[24:12] "Well, that's the worst that can happen when you're

[24:14] public speaking and I'm still here."

[24:17] Now I have no fear of public speaking.

[24:20] I have a little fear of public speaking,

[24:22] I just don't listen to it.

[24:23] So yeah, it does help but you'll always be afraid.

[24:26] So don't worry about being afraid

[24:27] and that'll be less fearful.

[24:29] - I have to say that I have the experience of when

[24:33] I feel overwhelmed by the magnitude of

[24:35] an eagle vision goal,

[24:37] taking small steps actually does reduce

[24:39] my fear of the large things.

[24:41] I have actually had that experience.

[24:43] - That's true.

[24:44] I always have fear when I'm going forward

[24:46] but if I try to do massive...

[24:48] If I'm holding the entire massive job in mind

[24:52] it's much more...

[24:54] It's not fear for me though,

[24:55] it's just discouragement and overwhelm,

[24:58] and if I break it down into tiny nuggets sized,

[25:00] mouse sized chunks, then it's not as exhausting for me.

[25:06] - Yeah, sometimes it's just the fear of

[25:08] the magnitude of the thing rather than the

[25:12] fear of the thing and taking those steps,

[25:13] because otherwise you're paralyzed

[25:15] and you're not doing anything and

[25:17] that's more terrifying than taking small steps.

[25:19] - Yeah, that's a whole nother animal, that's turtle steps.

[25:22] We talked about turtle steps before.

[25:23] A turtle step is how I try to do everything

[25:27] and it is the absolute smallest step you can imagine

[25:31] taking divided in half.

[25:34] So imagine the tiniest thing you could do towards your

[25:37] eagle vision today,

[25:38] like if I were to write one paragraph,

[25:42] okay, and then the turtle step would be write

[25:45] half a paragraph, write one sentence.

[25:48] If you break the turtle steps down small enough then

[25:51] you get over the immensity of it.

[25:54] But it's interesting, some people feel fear of the

[25:56] immensity, I don't.

[25:57] I just feel exhaustion.

[25:59] So with my (indistinct) is a little,

[26:01] so thank you for clarifying, Rowy Joey.

[26:03] - I think it's just two different ways of looking

[26:07] at the same thing.

[26:08] I have Janis' question,

[26:10] what if you have eagle vision dreams

[26:11] that are outward driven, but you're more of an introvert?

[26:13] - That is my case exactly.

[26:15] I'm such a thorough going introvert,

[26:17] I've been taking tests on the internet and I am so

[26:20] introverted and yet here we sit with me screaming at my

[26:24] computer like any extrovert.

[26:31] The thing is you can find ways to be...

[26:35] To have an extroversion, extro vision,

[26:40] while still satisfying your introverted habits.

[26:44] I had a session with a shaman in Africa once

[26:48] after I had a dream, you have to see the shaman,

[26:50] I didn't know this but they brought the shaman

[26:52] and she started...

[26:54] She threw the bones which is their way of divination

[26:57] and she kept looking at the bones in great perplexity

[26:59] and saying, "You talk to hundreds of people but you

[27:03] never leave your house."

[27:05] (laughs)

[27:06] So, Janis, don't get stuck in thinking,

[27:09] "Well, if I'm an introvert I can't do something

[27:11] big and extroverted."

[27:14] There is always a way that the mouse

[27:16] and eagle can fit together,

[27:17] only it's your specific particular mission and it will

[27:20] happen in your specific particular way.

[27:23] Just believe in the yearning that's pulling you forward

[27:26] and take those little steps when you're slightly frightened,

[27:30] you don't want to scare yourself too much.

[27:33] The way your introversion is meant to go out to

[27:36] the world will evolve.

[27:40] Yes.

[27:41] - That is wonderful.

[27:43] I found a question.

[27:45] I got distracted reading all the other wonderful questions

[27:48] and then I lost it.

[27:49] Oh, yes, Christie wanted to know,

[27:51] do you do nothing else and with no one else but

[27:53] what lines up with your vision and truth?

[27:56] - Yes.

[27:58] (laughs)

[28:00] - Excellent.

[28:01] Well, I'm glad we got to the bottom of that.

[28:02] All right.

[28:04] So, Donna, how do you stop from self-criticism of the mouse

[28:07] view steps that are not good enough or too little?

[28:11] - That's just your inner critic.

[28:15] That has no place in the mouth or the eagle,

[28:17] that is the monkey and the monkey has to be given the task

[28:21] and so they say in Asia, you make it...

[28:24] They say, "Give the monkey a stick and make him climb

[28:28] up it and climb down it, and climb up it and climb down it."

[28:31] You can do that by meditation,

[28:33] you can do it by focusing on breath,

[28:34] &you can do it by watching your thoughts from a distance.

[28:37] Any from of meditation is just to get the inner critic

[28:42] to just move aside so that the heart's yearning

[28:46] and the spirit soaring above can move you forward

[28:49] towards your purpose.

[28:49] The monkey mind will get in the way of a whole process.

[28:55] So if you got fears, you've got self-criticism,

[28:57] if you've got disbelief, if you've got hurt feelings,

[29:01] if you're cynical, all of that is monkey.

[29:05] Monkey has no place in eagle and mouse,

[29:09] in fact I was thinking today of doing this entire gathering

[29:14] room on a wonderful saying I heard,

[29:18] you don't even knows this, Ro.

[29:20] - Whoa.

[29:21] - I heard Liz Gilbert who was here the other day

[29:25] and I was talking about how, gee, sometimes when people

[29:28] are having problems it's actually not my problem,

[29:32] and she said...

[29:33] This is a polish thing, "Not my circus, not my monkeys."

[29:38] So when you hear all this criticism think of a

[29:42] troop of monkeys.

[29:42] (monkey sounds)

[29:44] - And just think, "Not my circus, not my monkeys."

[29:49] Just let the circus go by, it's another way of meditating.

[29:53] It's a whole troop of monkeys going...

[29:56] (monkey sounds)

[29:57] Not my circus, not my monkeys.

[30:01] I am the eagle that can see from a far and I am the mouse

[30:05] that knows how to be intimate, intimate,

[30:07] intimate with everything in life,

[30:10] and I get to have both those delicious things if

[30:13] I just let the monkey circus be on the side.

[30:16] (laughs)

[30:20] - Can't believe it's already 6:30.

[30:22] It's too fun to talk to you guys but are we done?

[30:26] Is there any last thing that has to be said Rowy ?

[30:29] - No, I think ending with not my circus,

[30:32] not my monkeys is (indistinct).

[30:35] - Okay, great. So we are all in our circus.

[30:39] We belong to...

[30:40] We are our monkeys, but the critics in our head

[30:43] are not our monkeys.

[30:44] So let's have a wonderful, playful, soaring,

[30:49] meticulous, big, tiny, week and

[30:53] come on back next week together again

[30:55] because that's a big part of anyone's purpose,

[30:58] to gather with all the eagles and the mouses.

[31:02] - Absolutely. So lovely to see you, everyone.

[31:05] We see you next week, loves

[31:07] Bye.

[31:08] - Bye.

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It is a two-part exercise from Martha Beck for finding direction when you feel stuck. Eagle view means rising above daily life to ask two questions about how you want the world and your own soul to be changed by your lifetime. Mouse view means coming back down to the single concrete step that points toward that direction.
Beck suggests starting with big desires rather than immediate problems, because they help steer near-term choices. Write down how you want the world to be different because you lived in it, and how you want your soul to be different from having lived here. Then identify one small action today that moves you toward either answer.
Beck argues that many of us live by social scripts absorbed early in life, and in a complicated culture those scripts can conflict. Her example is traditional gender roles, which pull in opposite directions, leaving people feeling damned if they do and damned if they don't. When every available move violates one script, stalling is a predictable result.
A turtle step is a very small, slow action taken toward a goal that feels overwhelming. In the Gathering Room session, Beck says it is how she tries to do everything. It fits the mouse view idea of focusing only on what is immediately in front of you.
Beck says that without direction, a mouse will not travel far in a straight line and will just meander. The fix she proposes is to define a clear big-picture direction first, through the eagle view questions, and then take concrete daily steps that follow it.
In her own eagle view, Beck names her wish to have less fear and to learn to have joy without fear. She also suggests that small steps help: if you take little steps and nothing really bad happens, the fear loosens over time, an idea she endorses from a caller's suggestion.

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