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[0:02] - Hello.
[0:04] Hi everybody, welcome
to the Gathering Room.
[0:07] It is on.
[0:08] - Hi.
[0:10] - Hello, and it is I, Martha
Beck and Rowan the gracious
[0:14] badger wombat in Australia.
[0:17] - Yes, yes, from far away
for some but near for others.
[0:22] - Badgers like wombat.
[0:25] - Yeah, I'm a wombat (indistinct).
[0:27] - I love a wombat.
[0:29] Have I told you all they poop in cubes?
[0:31] Oh, yes, look at the peoples.
[0:34] - Wendy from Guelph.
[0:35] - Wendy from Guelph.
[0:37] - (indistinct). We've got
Ashley from Brisbane, hello.
[0:41] - Hey.
[0:42] - Meagan from Paris.
[0:44] Donna, hi, Donna.
[0:45] - We've gone so international.
[0:47] - I know, it's awesome.
I can't even keep up.
[0:51] - Somebody is going to come from the moon.
[0:53] Ooh! Saskatchewan, beautiful and cool.
[0:57] Hello, Gillian.
[0:58] Hello, Cynthia.
[1:00] - We have Lucy, Margarita.
[1:04] Hi, Rebecca.
[1:06] - Hi there, Rebecca.
[1:08] - Jordie, just from
just around the corner.
[1:10] (laughs)
[1:11] - "Wendy is back on her game," says Donna.
[1:13] - Wendy, Wendy, I left you
in adjust today, Donna.
[1:17] Hi, Eugenia.
[1:20] - Oh, all our lovelies.
[1:22] - Marni, I love your faces.
[1:24] Look at their faces,
[1:25] and I'm starting to
know their faces, right?
[1:28] - Yeah.
[1:29] - It's like walking in and going,
[1:30] "Hi, how are you doing
this week? I see you."
[1:32] Hi, Mary Ann.
[1:33] - Hi, Mary Ann.
[1:35] - Kind of talked to Mary
Ann on the coach call,
[1:37] I was going to coach her but
I think she was gone already.
[1:41] Oh, yes. Ashley loves wombats too.
[1:43] They are so cubular, they
just are like cubular solids,
[1:49] when I read that they poop
in cubes, like what a skill.
[1:54] You just don't know
the skills people have.
[1:57] (laughs)
[1:58] - From Malta, we got a owl in from Malta.
[2:02] Beautiful.
[2:03] - Oh my gosh.
[2:05] - Hey from UK, Aruba.
[2:07] Yay! Aruba is awesome
with all those iguanas.
[2:13] Hi, Florence, how you doing?
[2:16] (indistinct)
[2:17] - This is Mike, my heart filters are warm.
[2:21] (weird sound)
[2:23] - (indistinct).
[2:25] - Oh, hi, Teresa Darlan.
[2:28] Are we...
[2:30] - We're way up.
[2:32] Yeah, it is absolutely full.
[2:34] - All right.
[2:35] - All right, I'll get
out of here and you go
[2:39] wow them with what to do when
you don't know what to do.
[2:43] See you later.
[2:46] - I was just thinking about how do you...
[2:48] This is kind of the
question of my entire life,
[2:51] because for once we all
don't have the immediate
[2:55] problem of survival,
[2:56] we don't have to go get
water from the stream.
[2:59] African rural women spend 40%
of their time carrying water.
[3:04] There's not a lot of time left to
[3:08] keep your house from
burning down or whatever.
[3:10] In the developed world
most of us looking at our
[3:12] computers aren't dealing
with that kind of thing.
[3:14] We have this incredible
luxury cog leisure time,
[3:19] and even if you are really busy,
[3:22] which I have been at
many points in my life,
[3:24] sometimes you don't know
how to orient your behavior
[3:27] so that it feels rewarding.
[3:29] Sometimes you can be just
sitting there blankly going,
[3:32] "I don't know what to do,"
[3:33] and sometimes it's just like,
"There's so much happening,
[3:35] I don't know what to do,"
[3:36] and sometimes it's a combination.
[3:38] There's this bewildering array of options
[3:40] and a kind of vacuousness inside you,
[3:43] and I think the reason
for this is that we're so
[3:47] socially oriented that we
get use to not coming from
[3:51] the impulse within us, and
we start living our lives by
[3:55] scripts from very, very early on,
[3:58] and then what happens is as
you get into a culture where
[4:02] there are all kinds of
different impulses and different
[4:05] ideas interacting and different pressures,
[4:07] and some of the pressures
are even contradictory,
[4:10] at that point tuning into
those social scripts can
[4:14] leave you with an either a
hodgepodge of things that all
[4:18] seem equally bewilderingly impossible,
[4:22] or even with things that
contradict each other,
[4:25] gender roles in particular.
[4:27] The traditional male-female
gender roles contradict...
[4:31] Well, (indistinct) and traditional roles
[4:34] contradict each other.
[4:35] One says give up individual
pursuits to be with other
[4:39] people and to care for them,
[4:41] and the other one, the traditional...
[4:44] or the modern society and
the supposedly masculine role
[4:47] is give up all community
and just go out and do
[4:51] things that aggrandize yourself.
[4:53] So those two things are
pressuring everyone and they're
[4:57] completely contradictory and
that leaves you always feeling
[5:00] like you're damned if you
do and damned if you don't.
[5:04] So they're different reasons
we don't know what to do.
[5:06] You get to the end of
raising your children,
[5:08] you don't know what to do,
[5:09] get to the end of school,
you don't know what to do,
[5:11] you get fired from a job,
don't know what to do,
[5:13] you get sick, you don't know what to do,
[5:15] your marriage falls apart,
you don't know what to do.
[5:18] Nobody tells us what to do anymore,
[5:21] or they tell us what to
do so much that it makes
[5:23] us want to die.
[5:25] So I have methods, I have
ways I'm helping myself know
[5:29] what to do and I found them very useful.
[5:31] So I'm going to take you
guys through this little
[5:34] thought experiment, and part
of it is in one of my books,
[5:38] I have no idea which.
[5:41] So if you'd rather pardon the repetition,
[5:44] but it's still always good
to do this little exercise,
[5:47] and I call it eagle view, mouse view.
[5:50] The first thing we're going
to do is we're going to
[5:54] take an eagle's eye view of your life,
[5:56] and that means we're going
to look at your big desires
[6:00] and your big objectives,
[6:03] because that can help steer the choices
[6:05] you make in the near term.
[6:06] Eagles can see...
[6:07] Like they can see a mouse moving
[6:09] in the grass two miles away.
[6:11] So we're going to go up
high and we're going to look
[6:13] at our lives by asking two questions.
[6:16] The first question I want
you to ask yourself is
[6:20] how do I want this world to be different
[6:22] because I lived in it?
[6:25] So if you believe in multiple lifetimes,
[6:27] we're just talking
about this one lifetime.
[6:29] How do I want the world to be different
[6:30] because I lived in it?
[6:33] Do you want some huge shift
like Elon Musk wants us
[6:36] all to colonize Mars.
[6:39] Do you want to leave one
happy child to bless the
[6:42] world once you've passed on?
[6:44] Do you want to teach
everyone to be more healthy
[6:49] or ease suffering?
[6:51] Whatever.
[6:53] Yeah.
[6:54] So think about it, how do you
want the world to be different
[6:57] because you lived in it?
[6:58] Just think of anything,
you can jot it down.
[7:01] Mine is I would really like to leave less
[7:04] suffering in the world,
[7:05] create less suffering or ease
the suffering in the world.
[7:08] Okay. So then you say
the opposite question.
[7:12] This is assuming that
we are spiritual beings
[7:15] having a human experience,
[7:17] and this questions is how
do I want to be different
[7:21] because I lived in the world?
[7:23] So if you just imagine that
you came in with a certain
[7:26] level of awareness or
capacity or consciousness
[7:31] and you're alive for
whatever reason so that
[7:35] your soul is having a
deliberate experience
[7:38] of being incarnated in this body,
[7:41] what does it want?
[7:42] What is it here to get,
that soul of yours?
[7:46] How do I want to be different
because I lived in this world?
[7:51] One of mine would be I
want to have less fear.
[7:55] I want to learn to have joy without fear,
[8:01] and I would like to have
certain memories of things,
[8:05] many of which...
[8:06] The first time I did this
exercise I was maybe 27,
[8:11] and since then I've had
so many of the experiences
[8:14] that I came to earth to collect.
[8:18] Right?
[8:19] It's like I'm antiquing in
the thrift shop of the world.
[8:25] These are things that you
put on your bucket list
[8:27] or things like if you
want to have a child or
[8:29] if you want a hike the Grand Canyon
[8:33] or if you want to
[8:37] just once drive a Lamborghini
[8:39] on the autobahn, whatever it is.
[8:44] Yeah?
[8:45] How do you want to be different
[8:46] because you lived in the world?
[8:47] How do you want the world to be different
[8:49] because you lived in it?
[8:52] Now that is your eagle view.
[8:55] Now here's the thing,
[8:56] everything that you do on
a moment to moment basis
[9:02] is moving towards some goal,
[9:05] but we're drop going to drop
down from eagle view into
[9:08] what I call mouse view because
we can only move forward
[9:11] in a physical sense by
doing what is immediately
[9:15] in front of us and the Lakotas Indians
[9:18] used eagles to represent this
big spiritual perspective,
[9:22] and mice are little
creatures that can only
[9:25] see what's right in front of them
[9:26] and they can feel with
their little whiskers
[9:28] and they really don't
think about much else.
[9:30] So without direction
they will not travel very
[9:33] far in a straight line,
[9:34] they'll just kind of meander, right?
[9:36] Now most of us spend our lives meandering.
[9:39] We kind of go from one thing
we've been trained to do
[9:42] to another thing we've been trained to do,
[9:43] and then we get a chance to
do this and someone gives
[9:46] us a job doing that and we
just kind of meander from
[9:49] thing to thing going to
whatever is in front of us.
[9:53] It rarely occurs to anyone
that they could step back
[9:56] and change anything at any point.
[9:59] I love the students I used to teach at
[10:01] Thunderbird Business School,
[10:03] and when I started teaching
this sort of life development
[10:06] stuff to them there was one guy...
[10:08] The thing I loved about them
was they thought in terms of
[10:11] big, massive changes that
they could make at any time
[10:15] because they were international
business students.
[10:18] So one guy wanted...
[10:20] He said, "Well, what I
would do is travel the world
[10:22] but I don't have the money,"
[10:23] and we sat there and brainstormed
and figured out that if he
[10:27] contacted some of his friends,
[10:28] got jobs on ships,
[10:30] I can't even remember what we figured out,
[10:32] but all the kids...
[10:33] Kids? They were in their thirties,
[10:35] all the students were giving
each other ideas about how
[10:40] they could go traveling right now,
[10:42] like Europe on $5 a day or whatever,
[10:45] and three days later he just left.
[10:49] You can actually...
[10:50] A lot of us have a lot of
businesses and social ties
[10:53] that we can't sever that quickly,
[10:55] but you really can decide
to make a big decision and
[10:58] not think I can not do that, it's too big.
[11:02] The only reason you can't do things is
[11:04] that you don't decide to do them.
[11:07] Well, that's not the only reason,
[11:08] but as I like to say,
[11:10] you can dream a lot of
things without doing them
[11:12] but there is nothing that you can do
[11:14] without having dreamed it,
like a big and wonderful thing.
[11:19] You have to imagine it first
or you will never do it,
[11:22] and the biggest reason people
don't have big experiences
[11:24] in the world, typically, is
that they don't imagine it.
[11:28] They want it to be dropped on them,
[11:31] they don't imagine
actually doing it, yeah?
[11:36] What you want to do is go up
to that eagle vision place
[11:39] and then you drop down to your mouse view.
[11:41] So I want to ease suffering in the world,
[11:43] that was my thing,
[11:44] and I want to experience
delight and compassion.
[11:49] What today can I do in a mouse way
[11:53] that takes me toward my eagle goal?
[11:57] Well, this is one thing.
[11:59] I could just start a Gathering
Room online and we could
[12:03] get online every week and we could yammer,
[12:05] I can yammer at you and
we could talk about ways
[12:09] that we can change our lives.
[12:10] We can connect with each
other with the divine
[12:13] and with love, essentially.
[12:18] This is one thing I could do
today, what's another thing?
[12:23] Well, I am working on a book and I haven't
[12:27] been writing on it lately
[12:28] but it's really designed to help people.
[12:30] So if I just go on there
and get it for five minutes,
[12:32] that's a good little
thing a mouse could do,
[12:34] and it takes me toward my eagle goals.
[12:37] That is another example.
[12:38] Now here is an important
point and then I'll open
[12:41] (indistinct) for questions.
[12:42] First thing is you can't
always do both these
[12:45] things at once.
[12:46] Sometimes if you're really overwhelmed,
[12:48] the eagle vision isn't even accessible,
[12:50] like if you have five kids under six
[12:56] and a full-time job and
your life is really hard,
[12:59] it's like, okay, I can't
even think in terms of
[13:01] what the world wants.
[13:03] Okay, well, in that case
you take care of the mouse.
[13:06] You do things that comfort the body,
[13:11] you get babysitters to help,
[13:13] you find ways to make
your job a little more...
[13:17] a little easier to do.
[13:18] You do whatever it takes
to just care for this
[13:22] little material self and you
exercise compassion toward it.
[13:26] You lie down and take a nap,
[13:28] you get yourself something healthy to eat.
[13:31] You just do little things
for the mouse, mouse things.
[13:35] Then there are times when you're like,
[13:38] "Oh, I can't do any mouse things.
[13:40] I'm too sick," for example.
[13:43] If you have fibromyalgia like I do,
[13:46] or chronic fatigue
syndrome like others do,
[13:50] sometimes you can't actually even move.
[13:53] You can't even move so
what do you do then?
[13:56] With the mouse completely
disabled, you become an eagle.
[14:00] You go into your spirit and you go up high
[14:03] and you start soaring around
looking at the big picture
[14:05] and saying, "What is my soul here to do?"
[14:07] And for almost twelve years
that was a lot of what I did,
[14:11] was mouse incapacitated and overwhelmed,
[14:16] no place to go but bed,
[14:18] so accept in my spirit and
then I could go anywhere,
[14:23] and I spent all this time floating around
[14:27] with my imagination and my spirit
[14:29] and that was one way I
started moving forward
[14:32] and then I when started to get
better because of my forward
[14:35] movement I had this
massive set of objectives
[14:39] because I had spent so much
time looking from a eagle view.
[14:43] Either take care of the mouse,
[14:46] that's if you can't get an eagle vision,
[14:48] or if the mouse is just unable
[14:50] to be cared for except lying still,
[14:53] then you just go into spirit
and spend your time in
[14:57] imagination and creation
without any physical action
[15:00] whatsoever for a little while.
[15:03] Right, yes.
[15:06] So whatever...
[15:08] Last week we talked
about whatever pulls you
[15:11] and the last thing I will
say is that the thing...
[15:15] If there are several things
that you could possibly do
[15:17] you choose the one that sparks joy.
[15:20] Thank you, Marie Kondo.
[15:23] If I'm doing the Gathering Room
it sparks some kind of joy.
[15:27] My book sparks a little joy.
[15:29] Anything else spark joy?
[15:31] Well,
[15:34] spending time with my
son today sparks joy,
[15:38] and that in a weird way...
[15:39] I mean, it's just adding
one more tiny grain of sand
[15:43] to the (indistinct) of our
relationship but it's love
[15:46] and it adds to things and it's enough.
[15:48] These thing are enough.
[15:50] They add up, especially if
we keep going eagle, mouse,
[15:53] eagle, mouse, and making sure
they can talk to each other.
[15:58] So now I want to open up to questions.
[16:01] - Okay.
[16:03] So we have a lot of people sharing
[16:05] their eagle vision dreams,
which is wonderful.
[16:08] - Oh, wonderful. I love that.
[16:10] - It's a beautiful thing.
[16:11] I have a question here
from Karen who says,
[16:13] "How do I stop talking myself
out of my big eagle vision
[16:16] when my mouse view me I crave more?
[16:19] How to get out of that cycle?"
[16:20] So when there's that tension.
[16:23] The mouse view is telling
her that she craves more
[16:25] but when she goes into
eagle she shuts herself down
[16:28] and tells herself that...
[16:31] - Talk yourself out of
your big eagle vision.
[16:34] To me when the mouse craves
more it's the same thing,
[16:37] it's when the eagle has a vision.
[16:41] - I think what she's saying
is that her mouse self
[16:43] craves more but when she
goes into the eagle vision
[16:45] she talks herself out of
it because it's too big.
[16:50] - Oh, then you're not
really touching the eagle.
[16:53] The eagle...
[16:56] Okay, so the eagle is consciousness.
[17:00] The eagle is your soul.
[17:02] Your soul doesn't know any
limitations whatsoever.
[17:06] So you need to be more playful.
[17:08] You need to realize that
you don't have to enact
[17:11] everything you imagine.
[17:13] Your imagination, just
playing in imagination
[17:16] has absolutely no repercussions.
[17:19] It can, it can mean everything
or it can mean nothing.
[17:22] If you put too much pressure on it
[17:24] then your imagination shuts down.
[17:27] Another thing you can do is
take a little scan of the world,
[17:32] drive around your neighborhood,
drive around your city,
[17:36] or cruise through the internet
looking at things that
[17:39] are interesting to you and always saying,
[17:42] does anything here spark my interest?
[17:44] Does anything here make me fascinated?
[17:47] Ooh, I was reading this
book about attention
[17:50] and it said we get exhausted
from focusing our attention.
[17:53] So the way you rest your attention,
[17:55] because you know those times
when lying down is actually
[17:59] hard because your mind
doesn't know where to go?
[18:00] Actually watching TV is
easier than just lying there.
[18:06] The way to rest your attention
is to find fascination
[18:10] and fascination is
attention without effort.
[18:13] So whatever fascinates you is a really,
[18:16] really good way to guide your
mouse into the eagle vision,
[18:20] because the only thing
saying you have to shut down
[18:25] the big dreams, that's not mouse or eagle,
[18:28] that's just fear.
[18:30] Mouse and eagle don't know fear.
[18:31] Mouse and eagle never
think, "I'm not good enough.
[18:34] It'll never happen for me."
[18:35] They're mouse, they're eagle.
[18:38] They do.
[18:39] (laughs)
[18:40] - Well, this is kind of related
then because Brooke says,
[18:42] what if you aren't quite
sure what your eagle goal is?
[18:46] - Give it some time. Spend
some time flying around.
[18:49] Make sure you think lofty,
have lofty ideas for yourself.
[18:54] Things like how am I going to
change this everloving world?
[18:59] What could I do?
[19:01] Look at the people, like if you...
[19:03] I remember reading a book
when I was in bed sick,
[19:07] couldn't move for years on end,
[19:08] and I had this book and it said,
[19:10] "Think of anyone's job you
could possibly have if you
[19:15] could just snap your
fingers and have a job,"
[19:18] and I shocked myself
[19:21] by thinking immediately of a guy
[19:24] named John Rega who was
on PBS doing this seminar
[19:29] on his book championing...
[19:31] It was called Homecoming,
Championing Your Inner Child,
[19:34] and I didn't read pop
psychology at the time,
[19:37] I didn't know what a seminar was,
[19:38] I didn't read self-help books,
[19:41] but immediately I thought
I wanted this job.
[19:44] Here's the thing, I actually
think that the eagle is
[19:47] not just imagination, it is
a part of me that is outside
[19:51] of time and it actually
knows what your destiny is.
[19:54] Oh, I should give them the...
[19:57] I know we've done this before
but it bears reminding.
[20:01] You can't think what the eagle wants,
[20:03] ask your heart what it yearns for
[20:07] and what you yearn for is an
eagle vision, I promise you.
[20:13] You do not feel yearning
fascination of the heart
[20:16] without effort unless something is talking
[20:20] to you through time.
[20:23] Brooke, ask yourself what
you yearn for and see where
[20:26] it takes you and then notice if you think,
[20:28] "I want that, I want his
job, I want that thing."
[20:32] Let yourself know it, let
yourself entertain it,
[20:36] think it may be possible,
send your mouse that way.
[20:41] - Excellent.
[20:42] We have a lot of people
talking about fear,
[20:44] fear of the eagle vision.
[20:46] So I'll put Donna's question up.
[20:47] What if the eagle vision
scares the hell out of you
[20:49] because achieving it will
result in so much change
[20:51] that is unknown?
[20:52] Or the eagle vision will
potentially hurt others
[20:55] or result in loss?
[20:56] So people that are worried it's about fear
[20:57] but they're not sure what to do about it.
[20:58] - Right, and here's the thing,
[21:01] every eagle vision will result in loss.
[21:06] Absolutely, without question.
[21:08] And so will everything else.
[21:11] Loss is a permanent fixed
amsolute in human life
[21:15] because if you withhold from
pursuing your eagle vision
[21:21] because you're afraid of loss,
[21:22] you lose your eagle vision.
[21:24] You lose your purpose,
you lose everything.
[21:27] What profiteth a man if
he should gain the world
[21:29] and lose his own soul? So
it says in the good book.
[21:36] Are people going to be potentially hurt?
[21:38] (sighs)
[21:39] Okay, so I've got a dream
that says I want to reduce
[21:42] suffering in the world,
[21:43] guess what?
[21:44] A lot of people feel like
I've hurt them doing that.
[21:46] I didn't mean to but I've done
things, all kinds of things
[21:52] that people said hurt their feelings.
[21:53] I didn't answer their letters
or I dissed their religion
[21:56] or whatever it was,
[21:59] but I would probably hurt
those people anyway even if
[22:02] I didn't pursue my eagle vision,
[22:05] and at least I have lost
my eagle vision, right?
[22:11] Another biblical analogy,
Jesus said there was a man
[22:15] who had everything and then
he found just one pearl
[22:18] that was absolutely perfect,
[22:20] and the pearl represents enlightenment,
[22:22] and Jesus told him,
[22:24] "Sell all of your stuff
and buy that one pearl."
[22:29] Enlightenment will cost you
everything, 100% certain,
[22:33] and you want it.
[22:37] - Yeah. So Barb has one
great idea about the fear.
[22:42] She said, "If I feel fear when in mouse,
[22:44] will taking the little
steps wear out the fear?"
[22:48] - No, but it can make
you able to keep going
[22:50] even though you're afraid.
[22:52] That's pretty much the best
I have ever been able to do.
[22:55] No, that's not true.
[22:56] If you question your own
thoughts and you stay routed
[22:59] in the present moment and you
don't project into future,
[23:02] there is no fear.
[23:04] That's a practice. It's not easy.
[23:08] If you learn to take little
steps and nothing really bad
[23:11] happens and then you don't
take steps sometimes,
[23:13] then guess what? Bad things still happen.
[23:15] Eventually you realize
whether I do things or not
[23:17] this is the kind of
planet where scary things
[23:20] have to happen, and then you're like,
[23:21] "Okay, I could be scared
and not move forward at all
[23:25] or I could be scared and
move forward a little bit
[23:27] everyday," which is preferable,
[23:29] and then you do find as you take...
[23:32] When I was 14 years old I
realized I was either going to be
[23:34] agoraphobic, like under
the bed agoraphobic,
[23:38] or I was going to have to do things
[23:40] that frighten me everyday.
[23:41] So when I was 14 I made an
absolute commitment that I
[23:45] would do at least one thing
that frightens me everyday,
[23:48] which was easy because
everything frightened me.
[23:51] It is true that if you actually
pursue doing things that
[23:55] frighten you, you will
end up having much less
[23:58] fear of most things
because you'll do them.
[24:02] Like I had horrible
fear of public speaking,
[24:04] I joined the debate team.
[24:06] I got up to give an impromptu speech
[24:08] and dropped in a dead
faint, and I woke and went,
[24:12] "Well, that's the worst
that can happen when you're
[24:14] public speaking and I'm still here."
[24:17] Now I have no fear of public speaking.
[24:20] I have a little fear of public speaking,
[24:22] I just don't listen to it.
[24:23] So yeah, it does help but
you'll always be afraid.
[24:26] So don't worry about being afraid
[24:27] and that'll be less fearful.
[24:29] - I have to say that I
have the experience of when
[24:33] I feel overwhelmed by the magnitude of
[24:35] an eagle vision goal,
[24:37] taking small steps actually does reduce
[24:39] my fear of the large things.
[24:41] I have actually had that experience.
[24:43] - That's true.
[24:44] I always have fear when I'm going forward
[24:46] but if I try to do massive...
[24:48] If I'm holding the entire
massive job in mind
[24:52] it's much more...
[24:54] It's not fear for me though,
[24:55] it's just discouragement and overwhelm,
[24:58] and if I break it down
into tiny nuggets sized,
[25:00] mouse sized chunks, then it's
not as exhausting for me.
[25:06] - Yeah, sometimes it's just the fear of
[25:08] the magnitude of the thing rather than the
[25:12] fear of the thing and taking those steps,
[25:13] because otherwise you're paralyzed
[25:15] and you're not doing anything and
[25:17] that's more terrifying
than taking small steps.
[25:19] - Yeah, that's a whole nother
animal, that's turtle steps.
[25:22] We talked about turtle steps before.
[25:23] A turtle step is how
I try to do everything
[25:27] and it is the absolute
smallest step you can imagine
[25:31] taking divided in half.
[25:34] So imagine the tiniest thing
you could do towards your
[25:37] eagle vision today,
[25:38] like if I were to write one paragraph,
[25:42] okay, and then the turtle
step would be write
[25:45] half a paragraph, write one sentence.
[25:48] If you break the turtle
steps down small enough then
[25:51] you get over the immensity of it.
[25:54] But it's interesting, some
people feel fear of the
[25:56] immensity, I don't.
[25:57] I just feel exhaustion.
[25:59] So with my (indistinct) is a little,
[26:01] so thank you for clarifying, Rowy Joey.
[26:03] - I think it's just two
different ways of looking
[26:07] at the same thing.
[26:08] I have Janis' question,
[26:10] what if you have eagle vision dreams
[26:11] that are outward driven, but
you're more of an introvert?
[26:13] - That is my case exactly.
[26:15] I'm such a thorough going introvert,
[26:17] I've been taking tests on
the internet and I am so
[26:20] introverted and yet here we
sit with me screaming at my
[26:24] computer like any extrovert.
[26:31] The thing is you can find ways to be...
[26:35] To have an extroversion, extro vision,
[26:40] while still satisfying
your introverted habits.
[26:44] I had a session with a
shaman in Africa once
[26:48] after I had a dream, you
have to see the shaman,
[26:50] I didn't know this but
they brought the shaman
[26:52] and she started...
[26:54] She threw the bones which
is their way of divination
[26:57] and she kept looking at the
bones in great perplexity
[26:59] and saying, "You talk to
hundreds of people but you
[27:03] never leave your house."
[27:05] (laughs)
[27:06] So, Janis, don't get stuck in thinking,
[27:09] "Well, if I'm an introvert
I can't do something
[27:11] big and extroverted."
[27:14] There is always a way that the mouse
[27:16] and eagle can fit together,
[27:17] only it's your specific
particular mission and it will
[27:20] happen in your specific particular way.
[27:23] Just believe in the yearning
that's pulling you forward
[27:26] and take those little steps
when you're slightly frightened,
[27:30] you don't want to scare yourself too much.
[27:33] The way your introversion
is meant to go out to
[27:36] the world will evolve.
[27:40] Yes.
[27:41] - That is wonderful.
[27:43] I found a question.
[27:45] I got distracted reading all
the other wonderful questions
[27:48] and then I lost it.
[27:49] Oh, yes, Christie wanted to know,
[27:51] do you do nothing else
and with no one else but
[27:53] what lines up with your vision and truth?
[27:56] - Yes.
[27:58] (laughs)
[28:00] - Excellent.
[28:01] Well, I'm glad we got
to the bottom of that.
[28:02] All right.
[28:04] So, Donna, how do you stop from
self-criticism of the mouse
[28:07] view steps that are not
good enough or too little?
[28:11] - That's just your inner critic.
[28:15] That has no place in
the mouth or the eagle,
[28:17] that is the monkey and the
monkey has to be given the task
[28:21] and so they say in Asia, you make it...
[28:24] They say, "Give the monkey
a stick and make him climb
[28:28] up it and climb down it, and
climb up it and climb down it."
[28:31] You can do that by meditation,
[28:33] you can do it by focusing on breath,
[28:34] &you can do it by watching
your thoughts from a distance.
[28:37] Any from of meditation is
just to get the inner critic
[28:42] to just move aside so
that the heart's yearning
[28:46] and the spirit soaring
above can move you forward
[28:49] towards your purpose.
[28:49] The monkey mind will get in
the way of a whole process.
[28:55] So if you got fears,
you've got self-criticism,
[28:57] if you've got disbelief, if
you've got hurt feelings,
[29:01] if you're cynical, all of that is monkey.
[29:05] Monkey has no place in eagle and mouse,
[29:09] in fact I was thinking today
of doing this entire gathering
[29:14] room on a wonderful saying I heard,
[29:18] you don't even knows this, Ro.
[29:20] - Whoa.
[29:21] - I heard Liz Gilbert who
was here the other day
[29:25] and I was talking about how,
gee, sometimes when people
[29:28] are having problems it's
actually not my problem,
[29:32] and she said...
[29:33] This is a polish thing, "Not
my circus, not my monkeys."
[29:38] So when you hear all
this criticism think of a
[29:42] troop of monkeys.
[29:42] (monkey sounds)
[29:44] - And just think, "Not my
circus, not my monkeys."
[29:49] Just let the circus go by,
it's another way of meditating.
[29:53] It's a whole troop of monkeys going...
[29:56] (monkey sounds)
[29:57] Not my circus, not my monkeys.
[30:01] I am the eagle that can see
from a far and I am the mouse
[30:05] that knows how to be intimate, intimate,
[30:07] intimate with everything in life,
[30:10] and I get to have both
those delicious things if
[30:13] I just let the monkey
circus be on the side.
[30:16] (laughs)
[30:20] - Can't believe it's already 6:30.
[30:22] It's too fun to talk to
you guys but are we done?
[30:26] Is there any last thing
that has to be said Rowy ?
[30:29] - No, I think ending with not my circus,
[30:32] not my monkeys is (indistinct).
[30:35] - Okay, great. So we
are all in our circus.
[30:39] We belong to...
[30:40] We are our monkeys, but
the critics in our head
[30:43] are not our monkeys.
[30:44] So let's have a wonderful,
playful, soaring,
[30:49] meticulous, big, tiny, week and
[30:53] come on back next week together again
[30:55] because that's a big
part of anyone's purpose,
[30:58] to gather with all the
eagles and the mouses.
[31:02] - Absolutely. So lovely
to see you, everyone.
[31:05] We see you next week, loves
[31:07] Bye.
[31:08] - Bye.