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[0:07] your holiness a warm welcome on bhai
[0:11] here get it in a new a caravan salon
[0:15] it's Amsterdam strong historical
[0:18] tradition of being a safe haven for
[0:21] religion and expressions of life and
[0:23] that makes your presence here even more
[0:26] special and that's why we get it here a
[0:32] lot of people Buddhists and
[0:36] non-buddhists people of faith and
[0:39] non-believers members of the Dutch royal
[0:43] family Princess Irina and Princess Marya
[0:46] and ambassadors excellencies young
[0:51] people students scientists entrepreneurs
[0:55] and sponsors artists and art lovers all
[1:01] have come together here to celebrate
[1:03] life in its many forms and today we are
[1:08] celebrating in particular a highly
[1:11] inclusive religion Buddhism and I'm
[1:16] always impressed by the fact that people
[1:18] can transcend space we gather here in
[1:22] this historic church to celebrate all
[1:25] walks of life and all expressions of
[1:27] life and society and I'm delighted that
[1:31] we are now able to include your presence
[1:34] your holiness
[1:35] to mark the festive opening of our
[1:38] exhibition of Buddhas life in a way we
[1:44] are here in a small group faithfully
[1:49] gathered here together and we are far
[1:51] from the bustling streets of Lhasa far
[1:54] from moved from the tranquility of Lake
[1:57] Marie in Ladakh and we include just a
[2:01] tiny part of the great global community
[2:03] of Buddhists around the world your
[2:07] holiness we cannot bring the tribe eros
[2:10] into the church now all the pious
[2:13] traversing the Ladakh Lake and David
[2:16] Ellis we can connect with the entire
[2:18] world
[2:19] ladies and gentlemen look around for the
[2:22] cameras we are joined by people all
[2:26] around the world in live streaming at
[2:29] this moment maybe we can all wave to the
[2:33] cameras thank you very much let's all
[2:44] connect with each other others with each
[2:47] other other by means of compassion and
[2:49] technology now let me turn to the
[2:52] exhibition we have chosen to examine
[2:55] Buddha's life through the eyes of
[2:57] contemporary artists presenting ancient
[3:00] Buddhist art alongside contemporary
[3:02] works an artist
[3:04] including sulfur debate goes critical
[3:08] Alysia famous yoko ono and AI weiwei and
[3:11] a tree under which we are standing right
[3:14] now is by IOA and the work of
[3:17] contemporary artists inspired us to come
[3:20] up with an entirely fresh ideas for this
[3:24] opening and for this unique exhibition
[3:26] and you have given our team at anemic
[3:30] air the space an opportunity to think
[3:32] differently boldly and freely Buddhism
[3:39] is often praised as a matter of mind and
[3:41] reflection with a focus on analysis and
[3:44] investigation and with great
[3:46] understanding of Science and Technology
[3:49] so it has been through all the ages and
[3:52] that's why we have assembled young
[3:54] people students scientists to discuss
[3:58] with you one of the major topics of our
[4:00] time compassion and technology and it's
[4:04] my hope that our exhibition not only
[4:07] represents budem Buddhism as the world
[4:10] religion as it always has been but also
[4:13] brings a new light into the modern world
[4:16] connecting us all with compassion
[4:21] technology adds something immaterial to
[4:24] the exhibition something that enables us
[4:27] better to understand Buddha's teaching
[4:29] and their
[4:30] Buddha's life and I like that we are all
[4:33] connected both physically and through
[4:36] technology today and thousands of people
[4:40] will follow this conversation here life
[4:42] to the data to the life streaming your
[4:47] holiness you have set new standards in
[4:50] the world throughout your life and you
[4:52] are doing so again by combining
[4:54] technology with your message of
[4:57] compassion and so I leave you now under
[5:01] the tree of Iowa stream and I gave the
[5:05] floor to Christa miners man the
[5:07] moderator of today and another wonderful
[5:09] partner of this event Diedrich ocean of
[5:13] the singularity University will be on
[5:15] stage for the closing remarks your
[5:18] holiness
[5:19] ladies and gentlemen welcome again in
[5:22] the new attack let's start catalina
[5:36] thank you so much for welcoming us in an
[5:39] EVA Carrick a church known in history
[5:43] for being a place where people of
[5:45] different faiths and belongings were
[5:48] welcome and I think today's dialogue on
[5:52] compassion and technology fits in that
[5:55] tradition of openness and unforgettable
[5:58] encounters your holiness today we have
[6:02] invited people who pioneered the use of
[6:05] technology to explore together with you
[6:08] the relation between compassion and
[6:11] technology the modern world is full of
[6:14] technology from our smartphones to
[6:16] computers to robots it's pervasive it's
[6:22] very powerful and it's here to stay on
[6:25] the other hand people are interested in
[6:26] meditation mindfulness compassion
[6:29] Buddhism so we'll explore these topics
[6:33] where the technology can be a force for
[6:35] good
[6:36] whether it can enrich human interaction
[6:39] in two panels each pen over last 40
[6:42] minutes
[6:43] in the first panel we'll look at
[6:45] artificial intelligence and robotics in
[6:48] the second panel will look at sickness
[6:50] old age and death before inviting the
[6:55] panelists to the stage I would invite
[6:57] your holiness and the audience to watch
[7:00] a small video to introduce the topic our
[7:06] world is spinning technology is only
[7:10] present and powerful as a human it feels
[7:15] hard to keep up technology extends us
[7:19] connects us brings us closer together it
[7:23] can enrich and unite us people left by
[7:28] the wayside could be part of the action
[7:31] again technology may even become our
[7:34] friend offering assistance and
[7:38] companionship but will it spin out of
[7:41] control
[7:42] what if computers move toward general
[7:45] intelligence thinking and acting faster
[7:48] than we can
[7:49] will we be overwhelmed will it take over
[7:55] leaving us no room for irrational
[7:57] behavior
[7:59] what happens if technology is in control
[8:02] would we want that
[8:04] [Music]
[8:08] who decides what is ethical are we
[8:12] making the rules are we taking
[8:14] responsibility or will it be
[8:16] self-learning steered by values would we
[8:21] be able to pull the plug saying this is
[8:23] enough or is technology just human
[8:27] nature our destiny ethics and technology
[8:33] a balancing act it's my great pleasure
[8:40] now to invite to join us on stage Tilly
[8:44] lucky Tilly has just had a major surgery
[8:50] but she was adamant to be here with us
[8:52] today
[8:52] [Applause]
[9:08] [Laughter]
[9:13] Teli
[9:14] instead of me introducing you why don't
[9:17] you tell his holiness your story good
[9:21] morning your holiness
[9:22] my name is Tilly and I'm so honored to
[9:26] be here today thank you so much for
[9:28] inviting me I had a severe disease when
[9:32] I was 15 months old called meningitis
[9:35] septicemia and they they basically said
[9:44] that I was 100% going to die but somehow
[9:50] I pulled very when I'm here today and
[10:02] Tilly perhaps you can also tell his
[10:05] holiness about your Bionic arms and show
[10:09] a little what you can do with them and
[10:11] perhaps also say how having these arms
[10:15] how it changed your life well since
[10:18] losing my hands I lost them so young and
[10:22] I can't remember ever having hands but I
[10:26] just always wanted them so ever since
[10:37] ever since then I've been working with
[10:40] all kinds of tech companies trying to
[10:44] help develop Bionic hands for people
[10:48] like me these are from a company I'm
[10:52] working with currently called open
[10:55] bionics and then we're trying to stray
[10:58] away from trying to blend in we want to
[11:01] embrace the fact that were unique we
[11:04] don't we don't mind being different
[11:18] the hand I've had in the past were made
[11:21] to be really realistic oh can you give
[11:25] us holiness a hand whoa
[11:27] [Laughter]
[11:34] we're dog great so I like these hands
[11:40] because they look futuristic and cool
[11:43] and even have my name on the side so
[11:46] that's a plus but what Tilly was saying
[11:55] is that instead of trying to hide the
[11:58] imperfection she thought with this
[12:01] company that makes these arms to just
[12:04] show it and she's been working with this
[12:07] company not only to improve her own arms
[12:11] and her own hands but also she gives
[12:14] them critical feedback so that this
[12:16] company can work on making these arms
[12:19] for other children as well but that's
[12:21] not all Tilly perhaps you can also talk
[12:24] about your initiative to help other
[12:26] children well as I said I was so young
[12:31] when I lost them I don't remember having
[12:33] them and just I know that there's real
[12:37] people out there who've had hands their
[12:39] whole life and then all of a sudden
[12:41] they're just gone and then you've got a
[12:52] they had to learn to live without them
[12:54] and I just thought it was really
[12:56] important for them to have the support
[12:58] that they're needed
[13:06] until you what is what is the I mean
[13:09] each you have five pairs of hands you
[13:12] told me so why did you choose to wear
[13:15] these ones today well I only have one
[13:18] pair of hands but I've got loads of
[13:21] different cases lots different colors
[13:23] patterned that's what's really cool
[13:25] about these hands they're so
[13:27] customizable and you can even have
[13:30] lights on it so you know Tilley when we
[13:45] when we talked earlier you said you had
[13:47] all kinds of questions that you would
[13:49] like to ask His Holiness why don't you
[13:53] well I think it's a really important
[13:55] question and what do you think as you
[13:59] know I'm working with a tech company
[14:00] trying to make these Bionic hands what
[14:03] do you think of a bigger tech companies
[14:06] could be doing to help spread good
[14:09] around the world
[14:24] hmm yes mission very important but
[14:32] Mission Control not by vision but human
[14:36] being as a human being not only the
[14:43] sophistical but mind emotion ultimately
[14:53] constructor emotion good emotion then
[14:57] our physical also become constructively
[15:03] if I'd lose and the writers so
[15:12] ultimately I believe mind but now here I
[15:19] think the as a result of meeting or
[15:24] discuss with modern psychologists I
[15:30] notice the whole Western civilization
[15:37] very much which is restricting so that
[15:41] when they talk about consciousness only
[15:46] sensorial level consciousness not mental
[15:49] consciousness no anger attachment and
[15:55] loving-kindness these religious with
[15:58] mental consciousness not sensory so the
[16:09] modern technology very very helpful to
[16:16] the kinky to help particularly with
[16:21] disabilities and with body very very
[16:24] helpful
[16:25] so you see the company or consider
[16:30] people who made this I really very much
[16:33] appreciate and you know if they can can
[16:39] tell them how useful this and then and I
[16:46] think the Europe IQ comparatively better
[16:49] better facility but look Africa yeah
[16:54] many poor people and then less developed
[17:00] country suffering immense so please you
[17:09] the society in different part of the
[17:13] world underdeveloped whether these day
[17:17] or today a problem with physical item
[17:21] down I'd you know many so the company
[17:25] I think should pay more attention yeah
[17:28] this poorer section of the community
[17:31] I feel very important I agree so you can
[17:36] do some thank you thank you so much your
[17:41] holiness for that advice let me now
[17:44] also invite the other panelists to this
[17:46] panel to the stage Professor Martin
[17:49] Stein book from the Technical University
[17:51] of Eindhoven and careened Olfa CEO and
[17:55] founder of no isolation
[17:57] [Laughter]
[18:01] [Applause]
[18:06] so both of them have also brought some
[18:09] gadgets some friends but I'd like to
[18:12] invite Karen first Karen dov'è to
[18:15] introduce us to the little friend that
[18:18] you brought her to introduce the friend
[18:20] to his holiness okay this is a v1 it is
[18:24] a telepresence robot for children
[18:27] specifically made for children who
[18:29] cannot go to school because of illness
[18:31] so any diagnose that keeps you from
[18:35] going where you should go
[18:37] hey v1 can help and we actually have
[18:40] someone with us through a v1 today so in
[18:44] UK Jayde is sitting and she's here so
[18:46] you can talk to her and I think we
[18:48] should hear her if she says hi hey Jade
[18:54] and sorry Jade I think we have a really
[18:59] cool introduction video we do which Jade
[19:02] just made of herself so even though we
[19:05] just hear Jade we also know who is on
[19:08] the other end of a v1 can we have the
[19:11] short introduction please I'm speaking
[19:21] to you here from England and often I
[19:25] can't get out the house and I can't see
[19:26] wonderful things like this because I
[19:28] have a Lezama syndrome which affects my
[19:31] connective tissue and it means that a
[19:34] lot of the time I'm bedridden and I have
[19:37] seizures and dislocations it's plain
[19:39] awful but thanks to be I get to
[19:42] experience the outside world and every
[19:44] night I get to see for real anyway thank
[19:46] you to His Holiness so so normally
[19:58] normally Jade uses her robot to go to
[20:02] class
[20:02] to go to the supermarket to do all the
[20:05] things that she cannot do when she has
[20:07] to stay in bed
[20:09] and her friends can pick up her robot
[20:12] and bring her around right so this is
[20:15] Jade but in the different wrapping and
[20:19] Jade can actually move her heads I think
[20:23] so unless I moved her a bit too much and
[20:35] an audio goes both ways here so Jade can
[20:38] hear us and talk to us but we cannot see
[20:41] Jade and that's a very conscious
[20:43] decision on our end because in most
[20:46] cases this will be used in the classroom
[20:49] setting with all of your friends and the
[20:51] children using av1 are lying in bed and
[20:55] if you're wearing your pajamas if you
[20:57] don't have hair you're pale
[20:59] being on display on a screen in the
[21:02] classroom that's not easy so we we made
[21:05] it into something sleep something simple
[21:08] that they can dress up and make their
[21:11] own and yeah
[21:36] and your holiness it's actually Jade who
[21:39] is controlling let's say the head of the
[21:42] robot she can turn it she can look at
[21:44] you she can look at the audience and if
[21:48] you like
[21:48] Jade's gonna let's see maybe you could
[21:54] Jade maybe you could ask a question I
[21:57] know that you had a question for us
[21:58] awareness Jade had a long list of
[22:00] questions any female if not why not and
[22:10] do you think there ever will be that's
[22:16] quite a question Jade since many years
[22:30] it's just some people ask me the future
[22:38] in case that another institution still
[22:41] remain then future Dalai Lama could be
[22:46] female at the time the situation actual
[22:52] situation a female body more sort of
[22:57] useful then why not so I think future
[23:06] that's very cool thanks if the incision
[23:10] remain but the big question is this
[23:15] century-old institution very interested
[23:18] Dalai Lama should continue and not up to
[23:22] concerned people Tibetan people and also
[23:25] Mongolian and some other people so if
[23:30] the people feel now the incision is now
[23:33] old sources the tradition all system no
[23:37] longer relevant sees then no longer any
[23:43] question whether female thank you okay
[23:49] oh the state perhaps another question
[23:53] can you explain perhaps due to its
[23:56] holiness and to the audience what it
[23:59] means for you to have a v1 do you use it
[24:03] just for school I know you love math do
[24:06] you use it for other things what does it
[24:08] mean in your life it means freedom it
[24:12] means that if I'm I'm still able
[24:15] to do things so I can make fans that
[24:17] don't rely on my help
[24:18] it means that I'm able to do things such
[24:23] as school but also attend appointments
[24:25] and meetings and have fun with my
[24:28] friends and keep up those relationships
[24:30] that otherwise would be lost and a lot
[24:33] of the time I play Dungeons and Dragons
[24:35] through it so I've actually managed to
[24:38] kill dragging a robot which is something
[24:41] very people forget to say yes
[24:57] so normally now this is a very special
[25:00] setting for the robot and me and Jane
[25:02] but normally this would be used by Jade
[25:05] and there are 550 kids now using and
[25:10] having their own personal robot across
[25:12] Europe and normally they would be in
[25:14] class and their friends would take them
[25:17] for out for the breaks and on on school
[25:20] field trips field trips are often the
[25:23] thing you lose first if you get a heavy
[25:25] diagnose because it's difficult to bring
[25:27] you around but through the robot they
[25:30] can participate at anything and and I
[25:32] think your your touching in on something
[25:35] Jade with with the freedom but because
[25:37] planning becomes difficult and and we
[25:39] would at my company we would never try
[25:43] to make technology replace human contact
[25:47] our our whole theory and hypothesis is
[25:50] that if you get to participate on a day
[25:52] to day basis Noma no matter how poorly
[25:56] you're feeling then it will be easier to
[25:58] come back so for many of these kids
[26:00] they're they are sick for years and and
[26:03] just going back to school after having
[26:05] been away for years that's not easy so
[26:08] we want them to stay in the loop and to
[26:10] communicate with all their friends every
[26:13] day so that it's easy to come back so
[26:15] it's easy to to plan things on the
[26:17] weekends if you maybe you're feeling up
[26:19] for that because there's so many things
[26:21] happening around school and and that's
[26:24] social arena is so important cuz
[26:26] curriculum is that's data gathering and
[26:30] data gathering is best done with other
[26:33] people you need you need that that
[26:35] social bit of learning your holiness how
[26:38] do you think about this she can see you
[26:49] and Jade is having a tablet at home she
[26:54] sees everything on a video stream and
[26:55] when she moves that's because she is
[26:58] swiping the screen so she can spin 360
[27:00] degrees around and I can see really well
[27:05] so I can see just how handsome you are
[27:08] [Laughter]
[27:14] other sophisticates the mission you just
[27:23] mission can you read my mind wonderful
[27:38] technology but I believe this limitation
[27:45] no matter how sophisticated emission I
[27:48] think cannot represent this very super
[27:53] student human intelligence mind I feel
[28:00] but of course you can eventually you can
[28:04] prove my thinking is wrong and then okay
[28:09] [Music]
[28:09] [Laughter]
[28:12] your holiness let me pick up on what you
[28:15] just said and move to Martin Jai's
[28:18] please stay with us and if you have
[28:20] another question well be happy to hear
[28:23] it
[28:23] but I moved to Martin now he sits on the
[28:26] left of Karen so maybe you can see him
[28:29] if you move your head to the left so
[28:36] your holiness I took a play robot with
[28:40] me just to show you what is what is
[28:43] possible nowadays this is a dino a
[28:46] dinosaur it makes actually noise maybe
[28:52] we can hear it quite a lot of noise here
[28:55] and it's really sweet in some sense you
[28:59] could say this technology also adds to
[29:02] compassion do you want to touch it
[29:09] people like a baby and just touch it
[29:11] because it has sensors and it will react
[29:13] to you your holiness so far we were
[29:18] talking about technology that no sign of
[29:28] a pain maybe he gave me I don't know
[29:31] where he likes that he likes that you
[29:37] can see that I will turn it off
[29:43] otherwise everybody is looking at the
[29:44] dyno and not listening to us so I will I
[29:46] will not put it off so my question is
[29:50] this is clear it can have his role for
[29:54] children for elderly people with
[29:57] dementia for instance with Alzheimer but
[30:00] suppose that this computer technology
[30:03] which is in here supposed it in 20 years
[30:06] from now this will be 1 million times
[30:09] smarter right what could it mean and
[30:13] what you mention about the mental
[30:16] consciousness what is the gap between
[30:18] mental consciousness of humans and
[30:21] computer technology and how are we going
[30:23] to to to look forward that we can can
[30:27] live together so to speak I think this
[30:31] machine at least with matters
[30:40] consciousness of course sensorial
[30:43] consciousness depend on organ diese be
[30:49] chilly but the subtle consciousness mind
[30:57] not based on now sensory consciousness
[31:02] depend on our brain then like awaken
[31:10] time when we fully use these sensors of
[31:15] organs the mental level is very causal
[31:20] level
[31:20] then dreaming the sensorial level
[31:28] consciousness no longer function the
[31:32] organs then sort of rest
[31:38] dreamy then further deeper without dream
[31:43] more deeper level of consciousness then
[31:50] someone faint even she shot a short
[31:59] period breathing muscle system then
[32:02] further deeper six the mind when your
[32:07] consciousness then the deepest at the
[32:11] time of death
[32:13] heart beating stopped then blood
[32:17] circulation brain stopped then brain
[32:22] which in short period died but now there
[32:28] are some number cases clinically died
[32:34] but body still them in very fresh
[32:39] including my duty after he death the
[32:45] clinical doctors come check and they say
[32:50] not died yet but body didn't refresh
[32:55] till thirteen days very fresh then a
[33:00] similar case some cases or cheese remain
[33:06] fresh so now some brain specialists like
[33:16] the rigid division a memory
[33:24] Wisconsin University Oh since many years
[33:27] a our scientific sort of meeting and
[33:31] research research our discussion with
[33:34] scientists I usually call Buddhist
[33:37] science and modern science mainly for
[33:41] fields cosmology the neurobiology then
[33:46] physics particularly control physics
[33:49] then psychology so the field of
[33:56] psychology then the rigid division now
[33:59] very much impressed these things so he
[34:05] already was a set up
[34:08] one project to examine the cases person
[34:16] who died who dead but physical the
[34:20] physical body still very fresh so some
[34:26] percept easy-to-carry further
[34:29] investigation so like that
[34:33] so we explain the most subtle never
[34:38] consciousness still in the body brain
[34:43] stop God very very subtle never
[34:48] consciousness mold is independent from
[34:51] our brain right so we cannot sort of
[34:55] reconstruct death using technology
[34:58] that's a level we don't understand yet
[35:00] so technology see there is limitation
[35:05] for them they I think like sensorial
[35:09] consciousness say they we can increase
[35:14] eyesight but this limitation here also
[35:18] but limitation the mental these the
[35:24] cause
[35:26] it's related to written matter therefore
[35:29] there's limitation the subtle level of
[35:33] consciousness not depend on physical so
[35:41] it can develop or infinity so you know
[35:52] but I think the future will answer these
[35:56] things and not not necessarily we decide
[35:59] oh it will be this way this way that way
[36:02] no I think our previous generation is in
[36:09] never thought these things but you see
[36:12] time passes new technology new knowledge
[36:17] new TV experience so that as far as the
[36:23] inner value mainly mind of consciousness
[36:28] is concerned in the in tradition over
[36:34] 3,000 years is it developed
[36:39] investigation
[36:40] where is observer combined with mind
[36:46] so in order to investigate this
[36:51] deeper level of consciousness the over
[36:55] three four thousand years the India
[36:57] already developed the practice of single
[37:02] pointed meditation that we call schemata
[37:06] then the analytical meditation analyze
[37:11] that we call Vipassana so Buddha himself
[37:15] product of these Indian tradition so I
[37:21] think among Asian civilization cheney's
[37:25] civilization interests very select
[37:29] originally Indus Valley Civilisation I
[37:31] think the Indian service
[37:35] realization I think today in many
[37:42] centuries is really pay much attention
[37:46] about deeper level of self versus self
[37:54] now quantum physics we can they have
[37:58] sort of a wonderful explanation the
[38:05] things I'm the external thing does not
[38:10] exist as appears if we investigate
[38:14] nothing we can find so nothing
[38:19] objectively exists but ultimately depend
[38:23] on observer then if we raise the
[38:26] question where is observer the quantum
[38:32] physicists in the West no answer India
[38:37] the investigate varies observer so then
[38:43] India you see develop the concept of
[38:46] Atma beside this physical there is
[38:52] something whether you call soul or Atma
[38:56] that's the basis of rebirth Atma just
[39:01] body and this brain and mind which
[39:05] depend this brain is just one life so
[39:10] Atma life after life no beginning like
[39:16] that so
[39:25] so therefore the and that concept Atma
[39:32] concept and raise a lot of debate within
[39:37] ancient Indian tradition I think it's
[39:43] clear thank you thank you
[39:46] Martin yep but you're a pioneer in this
[39:51] technology this this this not only
[39:54] robots that are programmed to do what we
[39:57] want but self learning robots yeah
[40:02] do you think that at some point I mean
[40:04] how does that work self learning robots
[40:06] and do you think that at some point you
[40:08] know a robot could for instance learn
[40:10] empathy or compassion
[40:12] well like the Dalai Lama explained that
[40:15] I agree with it or everything which is
[40:18] materialized everything which is linked
[40:20] to material you can actually simulate in
[40:23] a computer and hence you can learn so if
[40:26] you buy this toy robot it behaves like a
[40:29] baby but if you touch it if you play
[40:31] with it it develops over a few months so
[40:34] there's a learning every algorithm in
[40:36] this toy very simple if the computer
[40:40] inside the story becomes very smart you
[40:42] can learn more and more and more and you
[40:44] can learn how people look what they mean
[40:48] with their facial expressions and then
[40:51] the computer can can have a very
[40:53] intelligent interface that that computer
[40:56] in the future could could actually
[40:58] express much more of emotions than
[41:00] currently and that's that's all to do
[41:03] with learning but the deeper question of
[41:07] course is can you go beyond everything
[41:10] with this material and we don't know
[41:11] that yet and everything which is beyond
[41:14] material we don't we don't see yet how
[41:17] we can actually mimic that in technology
[41:20] and the question also is should we want
[41:23] that but that's it that's another
[41:25] question I think yeah wonderful
[41:28] I would like to thank the panelists to
[41:31] this panel and I would actually I wish
[41:35] now
[41:35] yeah this is technology you see make
[41:40] distinction this person yeah you see
[41:45] very dangerous and shorten their life
[41:50] not physical reaction then some person
[41:55] this is very very helpful humanity so
[42:00] they are life extent you see a hundred
[42:07] year or two hundred years yeah two
[42:09] hundred years okay the destructive
[42:13] person until shorter the better so the
[42:18] technology can make distinction you see
[42:22] this wasn't more compassion this was a
[42:25] lot of anger hatred can we distinction
[42:31] by technology yes holiness is ask would
[42:34] be question could be I think could be
[42:36] but do we want it the technology makes
[42:38] those decisions that's the question
[42:41] if technology you should make those
[42:43] decisions but I think technology can can
[42:47] learn a lot from the behavior of people
[42:48] it can learn how people behave and what
[42:51] their intentions are there someone good
[42:53] someone who sees really as you mentioned
[42:57] uses someone really subtle acid a very
[43:02] demoralized and very sad Silver City
[43:06] yeah what so you can yeah Casa
[43:17] insulation sublet yes I make the person
[43:22] happier yeah I think so yes like dog
[43:27] like a dog yes
[43:29] don't you see when we showed them
[43:34] sincere sort of feeling they appreciate
[43:38] isn't it yes not only just food in there
[43:43] I also see since compassionate
[43:48] face did we shoot yeah but robot I don't
[43:52] know I don't they can they're they could
[43:54] learn I think didn't ones what bring
[43:56] here then I believe okay your next robot
[44:03] yes your holiness we'll have to say
[44:07] goodbye to these three wonderful people
[44:09] they move on to the next panel I would
[44:12] like to thank you very much and ask you
[44:15] to thank you thank you thank you
[44:27] wonderful ask you to return to your
[44:30] seats
[44:30] thank you thank you thank you
[44:35] [Laughter]
[44:44] [Applause]
[44:52] [Music]
[44:57] forever
[45:07] [Music]
[45:28] your holiness the next panel will be
[45:32] about old age sickness and death
[45:38] technology opens almost unlimited
[45:41] possibilities to prevent sickness old
[45:44] age and perhaps in the future even death
[45:49] but what are we going to do if we can
[45:53] live a much longer and healthier life
[45:55] and how do we enhance not only the
[45:58] length but also the quality of this life
[46:01] these are the questions we like to
[46:04] explore with the next set of panelists
[46:07] and I would invite them to come on to
[46:10] the stage Chris Ferber Liz Parrish
[46:15] summable Moff and John teen learned Soph
[46:18] please join us on stage
[46:22] [Applause]
[46:41] your holiness let me briefly introduce
[46:43] these participants they didn't bring any
[46:47] robots or you know dolls or things like
[46:50] that but they have very interesting
[46:52] things to say
[46:54] Christopher Burke is a medical doctor a
[46:57] researcher a scientist and he's a writer
[47:01] of many many books about longevity
[47:04] healthy diet and things like that
[47:07] Liz Parrish is the CEO of bio Viva it's
[47:11] a tech company in Silicon Valley
[47:14] specialized in gene technology
[47:17] Selma bull muff sitting next to you is a
[47:21] student at the Amsterdam University of
[47:25] comparative religions she is also an
[47:29] alumni of the IMC weekend school it's a
[47:32] school that takes place in the weekend
[47:34] in Amsterdam and all across the country
[47:36] and that offers curious youngsters from
[47:39] diverse backgrounds the possibility to
[47:42] meet all kinds of professionals so it
[47:45] broadens their views about the
[47:47] possibilities in professional life Sean
[47:50] teen nownself she is an ethicist at MIT
[47:54] Harvard she's Dutch by origin and also
[47:58] in her student yes he studied Tibetan
[48:01] studies in Hamburg we are very happy to
[48:04] have all four of you with us and before
[48:06] we start the panel discussion we'll have
[48:09] a short video introducing this topic the
[48:16] human body we're unveiling its precious
[48:19] secrets what was once a death sentence
[48:23] is now a mere inconvenience we're
[48:27] digging deeper into our DNA removing
[48:31] what we don't like sniffing splicing
[48:34] refining
[48:36] disregarding the laws of age and decay
[48:39] our children will live well beyond 100
[48:43] years but where will it end are we stuck
[48:47] to our bodies our given vessel or will
[48:50] we be able to switch what makes a human
[48:55] life valuable is it merely the number of
[48:59] years or is it the way you spend your
[49:02] time with love and compassion
[49:06] what about suffering has it value if so
[49:11] how much suffering is there a secret
[49:15] beauty unveiled in disease and decay is
[49:18] there a deeper meaning to death what if
[49:23] life is never-ending
[49:25] how do we spend our time and energy who
[49:30] wants to live forever let's pick up that
[49:36] last question your holiness who wants to
[49:38] live forever would you like to live for
[49:42] a few centuries or maybe even for a
[49:44] thousand years that's an unrealistic
[49:51] thinking I think I think two three
[50:03] thousand years this is many saddles many
[50:07] Buddhist masters you see they also as he
[50:11] tried to live long so including some
[50:15] meditation but no one misses remain I
[50:21] think the longest maybe I think 200 no I
[50:31] see no one
[50:34] so in the past I think Excel you see
[50:40] controllers you're not yet a develop so
[50:44] through meditation including practice of
[50:49] yoga breathing control these things very
[50:55] helpful firstly physically help
[51:00] longevity but this limitation I do whole
[51:07] world what they disappear
[51:12] our son also after yesterday I think
[51:17] billion years may disappear and whole
[51:23] glasses disappear then nucleus has come
[51:28] that's the nature so one's own
[51:35] expectation remain thousand years is
[51:39] unrealistic
[51:39] I feel so they have too much unrealistic
[51:44] sort of wish or thinking bring more
[51:48] disappointment it's better to accept
[51:51] reality
[51:54] Chris this holiness is looking at you
[51:57] and I want to turn to you because you're
[52:00] 32 you'd like to live up to at least 200
[52:04] you told me and you also think it's
[52:07] possible so would you like to comment on
[52:09] what this holiness is just set all these
[52:12] holiness is absolutely right that with
[52:15] the current technology we have we can if
[52:18] we eat healthy we meditate we sleep well
[52:20] we are happy that we can achieve more
[52:23] chances of achieving 120 or 80 a healthy
[52:26] 80-year lifespan maximum lifespan of our
[52:29] species is about around 120 years and
[52:32] very difficult to go beyond that
[52:34] absolutely right but there are new
[52:37] technologies being developed and in the
[52:39] last two years we have seen spectacular
[52:42] experiments in lap animals first
[52:45] where you have old mice they have a gray
[52:48] fur your they have bald spots and they
[52:51] have all kinds of aging related diseases
[52:53] like osteoporosis and so on and they
[52:55] make the old mice young again
[52:57] so they reverse aging in the night and
[53:01] of course but of course mice are not
[53:10] humans but the remarkable thing about
[53:13] his studies is that for the first time
[53:15] in history in fact scientists don't just
[53:18] slow down aging they actually reverse
[53:20] the aging so you have an old animal you
[53:23] make it young again that has never
[53:24] happened before and you use all kinds of
[53:27] special techniques for that you can look
[53:37] at it as we have a mouse with a gray fur
[53:40] ball spots and the fur becomes shiny
[53:42] black again the mice become active again
[53:45] so it's very spectacular to see even as
[53:48] a medical doctor I'm quite impressed by
[53:50] these studies so a lot of researchers
[53:52] and scientists are trying to develop
[53:54] these technologies to actually reverse
[53:56] aging in humans and there is a lot of
[53:59] research going into that recently also a
[54:01] lot of investment you have a lot of
[54:02] companies being created around that to
[54:05] really enable lifespans of hundreds of
[54:07] years perhaps in humans and it's quite
[54:10] reasonable to believe that we will go to
[54:12] a future where people will live perhaps
[54:15] for centuries and still look quite young
[54:17] and healthy and I don't know what's your
[54:19] idea about a future where people will
[54:22] live much longer how can they lead a
[54:25] meaningful life and what do you think
[54:28] about that yes as a scientist it is very
[54:39] important this is AA great vision to
[54:44] have vision oh oh and make effort but
[54:51] then
[54:54] when I first came to India as a refugee
[54:59] then if you used to say six billion
[55:02] human being now lost a few decades
[55:09] nowadays we say seven billion then some
[55:15] sort of experts say and of this century
[55:19] human population will reach ten billion
[55:26] so I think it is nature law young
[55:33] children come old people go otherwise I
[55:38] think eventually I think they even you
[55:46] see ten billion right you too much
[55:50] global warming really now create problem
[55:59] so firstly I do - people here no concern
[56:04] about water a northern world but soften
[56:09] world including India
[56:10] I think the shortage of water and many
[56:17] other people in Africa so this the other
[56:26] day I saw on picture Venus some small
[56:32] legs the bigger they died or dry red dry
[56:38] no when we of flu Afghanistan this area
[56:51] the many science originally big
[56:57] now some cases this morning many cases
[57:01] have dry desert so now global warming
[57:07] according this sort of development
[57:10] I think region s a few centuries I think
[57:17] they do do global warming I took a
[57:20] tremendous sort of difficulties vehicle
[57:26] so see scientists saying more optimistic
[57:34] I'm saying more business pessimist
[57:42] nature hold Lexi's come go coming to go
[57:49] awesome also eventually disappear so
[57:53] then like Venus and Mars
[57:56] I think thousands thousand minis years
[58:00] ago uses some water there now dry so now
[58:07] they the software world northern world a
[58:15] lot of ice non melting rapidly so that's
[58:23] nature process I think technology some
[58:30] up to some limited something but change
[58:35] whole world so we are as a production of
[58:44] the universe evolution revolution
[58:50] firstly jellyfish then gradually summer
[58:55] anywhere then EPS away ifs so we are
[59:04] self
[59:05] this is the product of the hope of the
[59:08] world
[59:09] so once changed so we I think important
[59:16] is why are we alive remain harmoniously
[59:22] or compassionately that's possible but
[59:28] thinking something human being remain on
[59:32] this planet the permanently or thousand
[59:36] years if all will become desert do you
[59:44] still prefer we human being
[59:46] I mean hungry person I think you're
[59:51] certainly right I think if we often if
[59:55] people are going to live longer
[59:57] the people will mention that there will
[1:00:00] be overpopulation but we see perhaps on
[1:00:02] the long term if you look at 300 years
[1:00:04] or longer we will have a shrinkage of
[1:00:06] the population because people get less
[1:00:09] and less children and some scientists
[1:00:11] think it's going to be a huge problem
[1:00:12] like under population on the long term
[1:00:15] in the short term like next hundred
[1:00:17] years there will be more overpopulation
[1:00:19] you're right but perhaps in hundreds of
[1:00:22] years some simulations so the now person
[1:00:26] how to control population well we see
[1:00:29] that is control but we should take care
[1:00:49] of our planets definitely and also take
[1:00:51] care of ourselves because the nice thing
[1:00:53] if you slow down aging you reduce risk
[1:00:56] of all kinds of diseases aging related
[1:00:59] let's very good at the same time so
[1:01:06] that's what we we see the side effect of
[1:01:10] reducing all these diseases like
[1:01:12] Alzheimer's disease or cardiovascular
[1:01:13] disease the side effect will be that you
[1:01:16] also slow down aging so
[1:01:17] and as you will live longer in the end
[1:01:20] but we see that the most powerful method
[1:01:23] to reduce the risk of all these diseases
[1:01:25] is by slowing down the aging process
[1:01:27] itself and that's why it's so so much
[1:01:30] research is being done at that but
[1:01:33] you're right that we have to take care
[1:01:34] that there won't be too many people in
[1:01:37] the end and that we should better take
[1:01:39] care of our planet completely agree with
[1:01:41] that and about that there will be too
[1:01:45] many people there have also been some
[1:01:47] simulations about that and even in a few
[1:01:50] hundreds of years if people live even to
[1:01:52] 200 years or older but they have much
[1:01:55] less children there won't be that much
[1:01:57] of overpopulation that's still it's
[1:02:00] something to keep in mind of course I
[1:02:02] see your holiness we did a little survey
[1:02:08] preparing for today we did a little
[1:02:11] survey among children of ten to fifteen
[1:02:15] years old and we asked them the question
[1:02:17] do you want to become hundred and fifty
[1:02:19] years old and a little less than half of
[1:02:23] them said yes they'd like to spend more
[1:02:25] time with friends have more time to play
[1:02:28] and do nice things about one third said
[1:02:31] no because they're either more sex but
[1:02:45] sum up what do you think about that I
[1:02:47] mean you're the youngest person here on
[1:02:49] the panel you're I won't reveal your age
[1:02:52] your students think about this to be
[1:02:56] honest I wouldn't want to live forever I
[1:02:59] wouldn't even want to live up to 150
[1:03:02] years old I think life at some point
[1:03:05] would become tiresome and for me
[1:03:07] personally I think it would take away
[1:03:10] the meaning of my choices that I make in
[1:03:13] life
[1:03:13] because there wouldn't be traces anymore
[1:03:16] they would be things that I do now but
[1:03:18] the other choice I could it's a
[1:03:21] possibility to do later for example
[1:03:24] traces like what I'm gonna study you
[1:03:26] where I'm gonna work where I'm gonna
[1:03:27] travel it has meaning now because I
[1:03:30] choose to do that
[1:03:31] because life is as its limits but if I
[1:03:35] live up for 200 years so in 50 years I
[1:03:38] can always do it later and I I feel like
[1:03:41] it takes away the meaning for me and
[1:03:45] also as as a Muslim I believe in the
[1:03:48] hereafter so I wouldn't want to be here
[1:03:52] forever in this temporary world yeah I
[1:04:06] think that's the answer to that question
[1:04:20] again according religious sort of belief
[1:04:23] then a mother's region world written two
[1:04:30] categories one theistic religion was
[1:04:34] believed creator like Judaism
[1:04:39] Christianity Islam and activist origin
[1:04:46] also may be no believe creator then
[1:04:51] ancient Indian sorrow want religion or
[1:04:56] some de philosophie one part of Sankhya
[1:04:59] philosophy so no creator but rather self
[1:05:04] creation that's about right in two
[1:05:07] thousand years then Jainism Jain
[1:05:13] tradition change edition also we say no
[1:05:17] creator then Buddhism no creator so
[1:05:26] there are sort of different
[1:05:29] Kasota
[1:05:32] perception so according to civil
[1:05:36] religion
[1:05:36] you see God creates after day I'm at
[1:05:43] reduce world firstly human being male
[1:05:48] female and then their life limitation
[1:05:54] car lifespan so the other day when I was
[1:06:05] flying
[1:06:08] causal image Afghanistan see really a
[1:06:13] desert resurface physical very very poor
[1:06:19] many sign originally some lake now just
[1:06:24] desert so I want to complain to God why
[1:06:32] see you create some world more green
[1:06:34] some world
[1:06:36] listen what research why God Allah
[1:06:40] infinity love infinite love
[1:06:51] so you see God ssro infinity love you
[1:06:58] see kind to everybody every evidence of
[1:07:02] animals animal creature every creature
[1:07:07] wonderful God for mercy but then
[1:07:16] they say I think the test is region very
[1:07:21] useful when we passing through some
[1:07:24] difficult experiences they say we still
[1:07:28] you see hope
[1:07:35] good I think that's useful to keep hope
[1:07:41] hope human life very important once you
[1:07:46] lost hope then itself shorten your life
[1:07:51] isn't it and worst case suicide
[1:07:57] Salma you had a question to his holiness
[1:07:59] about the role and usefulness of of
[1:08:03] illness yeah so my question was
[1:08:07] following I I am grateful for my health
[1:08:12] because I have experienced the flu and a
[1:08:15] fever so I know what it's be what it
[1:08:18] feels like to be healthy so I feel like
[1:08:21] in a way sicknesses like fevers and and
[1:08:24] like the flu and short term sicknesses
[1:08:27] they have a meaning in life a role cosas
[1:08:43] and I wondered is what your view is on
[1:08:47] illnesses in in life in the life of your
[1:09:02] life
[1:09:03] this physical the all disorder was the
[1:09:08] sources of illness old h-here by nature
[1:09:14] so then only because I'm logically asked
[1:09:22] to the Creator why you create that my
[1:09:29] the question is more like it's not like
[1:09:31] why do we get sick it's that's not my
[1:09:33] question like it's not unhappiness about
[1:09:36] being sick I'm asking if you feel like
[1:09:38] sickness plays a role in life and I
[1:09:42] think I think you see the unfortunate
[1:09:54] experience useful to reminds God when
[1:10:03] when we happy I didn't know what to say
[1:10:06] Allah or God some difficult that the
[1:10:12] other control then remember God so
[1:10:20] useful so in order to reminds Allah just
[1:10:26] some sickness but and for you like
[1:10:29] that's for me because I believe in the
[1:10:31] God but you don't believe in a creator
[1:10:33] so do you feel like it has an important
[1:10:36] role according to the religion we are
[1:10:41] very sinful we do not asset God so be
[1:10:52] sure to do
[1:10:54] good a friend of mine so whenever we met
[1:10:58] he always teasing me and mischievous
[1:11:02] Dalai Lama I I respond mischievous
[1:11:08] bishop so the city close friend I really
[1:11:20] so one day so uh sort of some serious in
[1:11:26] discussion about three days and one
[1:11:29] occasion he have teased me he mentioned
[1:11:33] he as a Christian believer of God so
[1:11:37] here I did go to heaven I non-believer
[1:11:42] so he mentioned the relevant cost some
[1:11:45] different place
[1:11:46] [Laughter]
[1:11:49] I think non-believer go to hell so I
[1:11:56] think the pains and difficulties he
[1:12:02] reminds God Allah okay I feel like that
[1:12:08] thank you so much let's turn to Liz all
[1:12:12] right
[1:12:12] then of course my only experience
[1:12:15] firstly I am Buddhist and I described
[1:12:26] half Buddhist monk half scientist I'd
[1:12:30] love investigation investigation and
[1:12:34] Buddhist tradition Pali tradition
[1:12:37] not much investigation sounds good
[1:12:41] addition also the whole system is
[1:12:46] investigation so
[1:12:52] Buddha himself you see Express or my
[1:12:56] follower monks scholars should not
[1:13:01] answer to my teaching out of faith but
[1:13:05] rather Tara investigation so like
[1:13:09] Nagarjuna Arya Dawa Buddha Buddha so on
[1:13:17] you see these great Buddhist master of
[1:13:21] knowledge tradition they investigate
[1:13:24] both of own teaching
[1:13:27] if you accept this Buddhist teaching it
[1:13:31] goes against the reason so we must check
[1:13:34] that it is quite unique
[1:13:38] quite unique so say we follow the
[1:13:46] nollans position always investigation so
[1:13:50] we can go very well with modern
[1:13:53] scientists yeah so over 30 years I have
[1:13:58] serious discussion with mortal
[1:14:00] scientists result visual benefit we also
[1:14:04] learn some useful sort of information or
[1:14:10] how to develop legs graces or big bang
[1:14:14] these things then also to the scientists
[1:14:19] they they found very useful information
[1:14:22] about our mind and how to training our
[1:14:25] mind like that so that's because if we
[1:14:33] knowledge this tradition is is the
[1:14:36] intelligible Kasota
[1:14:38] the system is always investigation
[1:14:41] investigation like that so
[1:14:49] my childhood love you like your age I
[1:14:54] was very lazy student I compel visited
[1:15:02] imagine quite practical Oh in ceremony
[1:15:07] or they put me on throne as a whole eat
[1:15:12] a llama but when I get in lesson they
[1:15:16] treated me like one lazy young boy so I
[1:15:23] think some of you already know my to
[1:15:27] tutor keeps one with me so that we've
[1:15:35] yellow wig so I suppose the student holy
[1:15:41] person column so the whip also should be
[1:15:45] holy so yellow week but my my my
[1:15:52] intelligence quite smart
[1:15:54] I know if the holy whip use no
[1:15:59] differences of holy pain so like so I
[1:16:07] study Oh
[1:16:09] firstly Isuzu Muslim you see you learned
[1:16:14] by heart aura so many Hindus also say
[1:16:20] but this was another traditional also
[1:16:22] you see root chest
[1:16:24] we then each would explain according
[1:16:32] commentary mainly wrote by knowledge of
[1:16:36] masters and then also is it Tibetan I
[1:16:41] think the book books is which about 100
[1:16:47] book taught by Buddha himself then about
[1:16:52] 200
[1:16:56] twenty-four dingy books wrote by an
[1:17:00] island master like an origin and soul
[1:17:05] then eventually the translation started
[1:17:09] so many Tibetan masters they also said
[1:17:14] wrote many commentary so I think I'd
[1:17:18] seen around a 10 volume 10,000 volumes
[1:17:23] so according nonlinear tradition we as a
[1:17:29] follower of an island tradition we very
[1:17:32] much pay attention for study study study
[1:17:36] and there are three levels knowledge
[1:17:40] first knowledge first level knowledge is
[1:17:44] hearing reading then because I
[1:17:48] contemplate think think think
[1:17:51] critical critical thinking critical
[1:17:52] reflection then you reach second level
[1:17:56] of knowledge understanding that brings
[1:18:03] conviction thorough investigation
[1:18:06] thorough investigation and then we also
[1:18:10] use extensively debate according logic
[1:18:19] digna and democraty these two great
[1:18:25] magician hold their main writing
[1:18:29] available in tibetan we study very
[1:18:32] helpful sharpen your mind very useful
[1:18:37] very useful and also you CD whenever you
[1:18:42] see we here or something always the
[1:18:46] response is why why how not yes yes yes
[1:18:51] not never say yes yes yes yes
[1:18:54] always the race question why even
[1:19:00] Buddhist teaching why
[1:19:03] that's very important this variable
[1:19:07] doesn't a little tradition so now today
[1:19:09] I think the Pure Land tradition exists
[1:19:16] among Tibetan Buddhist tradition not in
[1:19:20] bodied Dakota country like she's longer
[1:19:25] Burma Thailand mainly Bali then China
[1:19:31] Sanskrit follow of knowledge but they're
[1:19:36] not much extensive so use logic
[1:19:41] therefore they denounce test and Dharma
[1:19:48] get this other test some portion not
[1:19:51] fully translated in China Chinese
[1:19:54] language so only Tibetan so we study
[1:19:58] this I think in order to become a fairly
[1:20:02] good scholar at least 20 year study in
[1:20:07] Tibet in the past 30 years
[1:20:11] study study so so they study very
[1:20:20] important as I mention earlier
[1:20:24] understanding hearing first level then
[1:20:28] understanding to analyze analyze then
[1:20:33] second level of understanding that
[1:20:34] brings conviction then familiarize then
[1:20:38] you get experience the traditional
[1:20:42] solution conclusion so this is part of
[1:20:47] the Indian concept of knowledge
[1:20:50] acquisition initially the knowledge is
[1:20:53] really confined to words and
[1:20:54] intellectual understanding but on the
[1:20:56] basis of critical reflection that
[1:20:58] knowledge gets integrated and conviction
[1:21:00] arises and then on the conviction then
[1:21:03] that knowledge can become more part of
[1:21:05] one's experience and being so there's
[1:21:08] three levels of knowledge your holiness
[1:21:10] we have two more very investigative
[1:21:13] minds on this panel who I would like to
[1:21:16] bring in
[1:21:16] yes our wonderful discussion one is Liz
[1:21:20] Parrish liz is not a scientist but she
[1:21:23] is a practitioner and she has actually
[1:21:28] experimented with gene therapy on
[1:21:31] herself and so my question to her would
[1:21:34] be why did you do that
[1:21:36] and what did you actually do is it is it
[1:21:39] attachment to youthfulness in this life
[1:21:43] could you explain this to its holiness
[1:21:45] all right so your holiness every year
[1:21:49] hundreds of millions of people suffer
[1:21:51] from chronic disease and 40 million
[1:21:53] people die of biological aging alone so
[1:21:58] in order to reduce the suffering in the
[1:22:01] world after the diagnosis that my son
[1:22:04] had of a chronic disease I embarked on a
[1:22:07] journey of learning about medicine and
[1:22:09] technology on my journey I discovered
[1:22:13] gene therapy so in 2003 after the human
[1:22:18] genome was discovered and run and
[1:22:20] analyzed we don't fully understand it
[1:22:23] yet it'll be a long time until we do but
[1:22:25] we got our first glimpse at genes that
[1:22:28] may actually create healthier lives so
[1:22:31] when we look at the human lifespan if we
[1:22:34] look at people getting sick around 65
[1:22:36] but maybe living to 120 we actually want
[1:22:40] to increase the health span of
[1:22:42] individuals to their maximum age so
[1:22:46] right now it's not about extending
[1:22:48] lifespans indefinitely it's about
[1:22:51] creating healthy lives and I would
[1:22:54] really like to know your feelings on
[1:22:56] this type of technology editing the
[1:22:59] human genome so that we don't suffer
[1:23:01] from things like Alzheimer's heart
[1:23:04] disease cancer and organ function
[1:23:22] wonderful but the important I feel they
[1:23:33] not crashing all day episode I wanted to
[1:23:38] break lifespan lifespan but life should
[1:23:43] be meaningful life that's important you
[1:23:49] know meaningful means if possible help
[1:23:53] Atta if not at least risk in hunting
[1:23:57] other there's a meaningful life we born
[1:24:02] on this planet whether there's creator
[1:24:07] or not it is fat
[1:24:10] now we're born here not create trouble
[1:24:15] not for create because of the create
[1:24:18] trouble no we are social animals
[1:24:23] you see born on this planet
[1:24:26] as a human being as a member of just a
[1:24:29] social animal so we should be more
[1:24:35] compassionate should have sense of
[1:24:39] responsibility to look after other
[1:24:43] members of the community community in in
[1:24:49] the engine time small you Holland
[1:24:53] because of Dutch only you were small
[1:24:57] which button behind Himalayan mountain
[1:25:01] we also you see consider although we
[1:25:04] pray entire sentient being the reality
[1:25:07] he limited Tibet
[1:25:11] people small population and scattered so
[1:25:16] when they play all sentient being is I
[1:25:20] think few thousand people
[1:25:25] so now today because of modern economy
[1:25:31] and no national boundary and then on top
[1:25:36] of that more serious thing is global
[1:25:38] warming national boundary religious
[1:25:41] boundary is secondary we have to think
[1:25:44] about six because of the seven billion
[1:25:47] human being so now we really need a
[1:25:53] sense of because the global
[1:25:56] responsibility on the basis sense of
[1:26:02] oneness of seven billion human being
[1:26:04] that's very important that's very
[1:26:08] important so people you see more of the
[1:26:14] day as a truly social element then such
[1:26:23] person you see remain healthy body and
[1:26:31] long life very good other hand people
[1:26:38] actually the Kasota the Creator problem
[1:26:44] I think we should pray we should wish
[1:26:47] shorten their life but shorten their
[1:27:00] life chanting so that's that's my my
[1:27:08] view after all we born here without our
[1:27:13] control or choice now obviously we human
[1:27:19] being helping each other showing
[1:27:22] affection love that people
[1:27:26] also returned because of that love
[1:27:30] smiling that happy this year to be a
[1:27:37] social animal even other animal is a
[1:27:40] social animal one member dying the other
[1:27:49] stead around it so that dying animal is
[1:27:56] showing some kind of sense of concern
[1:27:58] sadness we also the social animal so now
[1:28:07] these days I am Telling according miser
[1:28:11] orcid a conviction we human being on
[1:28:16] this planet now passing through some
[1:28:19] kind of crisis of emotion that's very
[1:28:24] serious
[1:28:25] according scientists the basic human
[1:28:28] nature is more compassionate in spite
[1:28:31] that lot of problem created by human
[1:28:34] being themselves on the name of religion
[1:28:38] also shared Sunni both brief Allah and
[1:28:44] as the read Quran and five times prayer
[1:28:49] but there is a small differences in the
[1:28:53] name of Shia and Sunni killing each
[1:28:54] other yeah Afghanistan in Syria in many
[1:28:59] areas and then in Burma Buddhist Muslim
[1:29:04] yeah didn't believe and then Egypt
[1:29:09] Christian it's not so religion also see
[1:29:18] the source of problem all region carry
[1:29:26] same message message of love one by
[1:29:31] personal friend he told me it is very
[1:29:35] true any Muslim if create bloodshed then
[1:29:41] actually no longer genuine Muslim then
[1:29:45] Muslim should extend love towards Anja
[1:29:51] Krrish creations or creature creatures
[1:29:55] of Allah so it's the same message that
[1:30:07] your holiness let's also see what Jan
[1:30:10] teen thinks about all these issues I
[1:30:13] think she would agree with you on many
[1:30:15] of the points that you've just made if
[1:30:17] we listen to Chris and Liz the
[1:30:21] technological sky seems to be the limit
[1:30:23] all kinds of possibilities to to extend
[1:30:26] life to to look at old age as a disease
[1:30:30] to even maybe push back death but the
[1:30:34] question I would like to ask John team
[1:30:36] she's an ethicist what ethical questions
[1:30:39] what social questions do all these
[1:30:42] developments raise I think His Holiness
[1:30:44] has already mentioned quite a few but
[1:30:47] what would you think about what is
[1:30:49] holiness said what would be the concerns
[1:30:51] that you would have the ethical
[1:30:54] questions that these developments raise
[1:30:57] thank you
[1:30:59] I think if first question I would like
[1:31:02] to ask you your holiness is why is it
[1:31:04] that we humans do wish to extend our
[1:31:09] lives to have longer lives is that what
[1:31:13] makes us human is it because we only
[1:31:16] know life and we do not know this what
[1:31:20] are your thoughts on it
[1:31:40] firstly I think even animal loves of
[1:31:45] their life even small insect when our
[1:31:50] finger go that this is da casa
[1:31:55] they avoid the cause of the dead loved
[1:31:58] their own life that's where nature
[1:32:01] mm-hmm because of that we live or
[1:32:05] evolution take place so we human being
[1:32:10] also develops all life so then jet means
[1:32:16] end of that life so and then in addition
[1:32:27] the life at least we can see we can
[1:32:33] learn we can ask some problems to other
[1:32:37] to citrusy cap the death mystery dog so
[1:32:44] literally mmm so kind of uncomfortable
[1:32:49] Oh casa learn through training
[1:32:57] eventually you have full sort of
[1:33:00] confidence see next life collar that and
[1:33:05] no problem at all see that is something
[1:33:10] mystery car mystery mystery dad yeah my
[1:33:18] assignment already mentioned like that
[1:33:22] you just mentioned before that old that
[1:33:25] also even for the teachings of the
[1:33:27] Buddha we are supposed to ask why why is
[1:33:32] it that we want this and why do we have
[1:33:35] to understand because if we then if we
[1:33:37] love life we love a good life and if
[1:33:40] life does not takes a bad turn and it's
[1:33:44] not good anymore
[1:33:45] what choices can be make then and with
[1:33:48] current technology we have more choices
[1:34:18] whether it is creator or not say we have
[1:34:23] this marvelous brain so with that
[1:34:28] intelligence I took this side of brain
[1:34:44] see hearing much stronger than human
[1:34:49] being but the mental level
[1:34:53] see yeah I think that their brain
[1:35:01] slowness is wondering what it is more
[1:35:03] connected with the amygdala so that you
[1:35:07] see we have some unity so have the sort
[1:35:12] of ability to analyze so as a human
[1:35:16] being without some investigation then
[1:35:22] wistful that bottle brain
[1:35:29] so you scientists also you see use that
[1:35:34] investigation investigation that's very
[1:35:37] important your holiness unfortunately
[1:35:43] we're coming to the end of our panel
[1:35:45] discussion on compassion and technology
[1:35:50] the scientists they talk about an
[1:35:51] artificial intelligence revolution they
[1:35:55] talk about a biotech revolution but you
[1:35:58] talk about an ethical revolution do you
[1:36:02] think we need an ethical revolution more
[1:36:05] now given all these developments quite a
[1:36:12] simple reason they are now to the 1st
[1:36:15] century look back to the century
[1:36:19] according some historian around 200
[1:36:24] millions of people killed in previous
[1:36:28] century obviously first world war you de
[1:36:36] casa de the Holland Belgium right in
[1:36:44] German army in water to invade France
[1:36:48] through I to your your area go like that
[1:36:55] yeah I think he did first world war ii
[1:36:59] world war then few decades people in
[1:37:07] this continent is remain fear about
[1:37:11] third world war but fortunately that not
[1:37:15] happen but in asia
[1:37:19] korean war Venna war and then even civil
[1:37:25] war in China and also Russia had also
[1:37:29] venom very sad very sad
[1:37:36] the during the 20th century you see the
[1:37:40] scientists technologists you see they
[1:37:43] really develop wonderful sort of
[1:37:46] invention mainly weapon including
[1:37:50] nuclear weapon all these weapons
[1:37:56] I think who wasted the scientists
[1:38:01] because marvelous brain spend for how to
[1:38:06] kill other people
[1:38:09] so that's triggered century and then
[1:38:16] they after Second World War
[1:38:19] I think people and then become more
[1:38:24] Mitchell how much suffering as a result
[1:38:29] of war then you see thinking development
[1:38:36] of European Union
[1:38:40] I really admire one my teacher one
[1:38:49] German philosopher or scientist the one
[1:38:55] vesica late for vensica in 1990s once he
[1:39:02] told me when he was a young German as a
[1:39:06] young German every French I German is
[1:39:09] the enemy and German I Frances their
[1:39:13] enemy but that kind of mental attitude
[1:39:17] completely changed that when when we
[1:39:22] discussed when he told me that sorry
[1:39:26] 1990s so look that through centuries
[1:39:32] anime attitude then through difficult
[1:39:36] experience painful experience but then
[1:39:39] realize common goal is more important
[1:39:43] than national sovereignty wonderful
[1:39:47] wonderful so I think European Union
[1:39:51] developed I think at least last few
[1:39:56] decades no longer any fighting so you
[1:40:01] touch people also now remain peacefully
[1:40:04] if French and German use it develop some
[1:40:07] fighting then you also say have to join
[1:40:10] by the way so like that
[1:40:13] so the 21st century I think since the
[1:40:21] later part of 20th century
[1:40:23] I think much change I often see telling
[1:40:27] people they cuz are the era crisis about
[1:40:33] to happen how many millions of people
[1:40:36] come out against violence from Australia
[1:40:43] Europe then up to America so people I
[1:40:49] think is really totally against violence
[1:40:54] wonderful wonderful so still some
[1:40:59] government some country selling weapon
[1:41:02] very unfortunate in order to create
[1:41:06] peaceful world
[1:41:07] I think we should think the art with our
[1:41:11] goal is demilitarized work very
[1:41:14] important so so now this century to the
[1:41:24] first century since I think this century
[1:41:26] is just following of hundred st. later
[1:41:29] part of 20th century so there is a real
[1:41:31] possibility to create happier world
[1:41:35] peaceful world so now we need vision the
[1:41:42] peaceful world on the basis of sense of
[1:41:46] oneness of humanity not my nation their
[1:41:50] nation not not wise resists or the
[1:41:52] follower religion different nationality
[1:41:57] is secondary
[1:41:58] basically we are saying human being
[1:42:01] isn't it so two eyes one nose one mouth
[1:42:08] the seven billion we are saying creation
[1:42:19] or this nation that nation Muslim
[1:42:23] Buddhists Hindus Christians born no
[1:42:30] differences same human being we all you
[1:42:35] see survived with mother's milk same so
[1:42:43] well dad so therefore now I think the
[1:42:46] time come we should make effort as it to
[1:42:50] achieve happy world no longer they say
[1:42:56] due to small small differences in to
[1:42:58] killing each other okay that's all
[1:43:04] so I'm very happy no one Muslim sister
[1:43:08] here
[1:43:12] [Applause]
[1:43:21] promotion of religious harmony as I
[1:43:26] mentioned earlier in Syria in this area
[1:43:29] you see different due to different
[1:43:32] registration killing each other
[1:43:35] India I always tell him over 1 billion
[1:43:40] population all world marriage attrition
[1:43:48] live together yeah over 3,000 years I
[1:43:53] think firstly Indians on the road are
[1:43:57] the different lists tradition then later
[1:44:01] Zordon from ancient parts here and then
[1:44:06] Judaism Islam Christian come outside
[1:44:11] then all measurable restoration lived
[1:44:14] together in India so it is possible this
[1:44:19] is harmonious is very possible India big
[1:44:23] country with long history and over
[1:44:29] billion populated nation so India kind
[1:44:33] of trouble because a troubled area but
[1:44:36] still as far as Jesus harmony is
[1:44:38] concerned wonderful that's example India
[1:44:43] huge over building populous nation can
[1:44:48] keep this then why not the other smaller
[1:44:53] countries is very possible so I fully
[1:44:58] committed the promotion or disharmony so
[1:45:02] shake hands
[1:45:04] [Laughter]
[1:45:12] thank you thank you I would like now to
[1:45:15] ask Didrik ooza
[1:45:17] from singularity University the
[1:45:19] Netherlands to join us on stage to give
[1:45:22] his word of thanks I would also like to
[1:45:25] invite the participants of the first
[1:45:27] panel to join us for the word of thanks
[1:45:29] thank you so much for this for this
[1:45:34] dialogue on compassion and technology
[1:45:49] Thank You Krista thank you their
[1:45:52] holiness time and chance happening to so
[1:45:56] I would like to start with our setting
[1:46:01] as a closing we're in a church built 600
[1:46:07] years ago at the end of the dark ages
[1:46:09] just try to imagine what it feels like
[1:46:12] to live in that time period do music you
[1:46:15] hear during the ceremony is composed by
[1:46:18] a Buddhist Philip Glass entitled mad
[1:46:22] rush the church was built on an orchard
[1:46:26] and now we have AI weiwei 3 to remind us
[1:46:30] or that for some refers to rapid growth
[1:46:34] and a powerless minority the deer
[1:46:38] reminds me of the beauty and fertility
[1:46:40] of nature and yes there is it here
[1:46:43] inside and in Buddhism it refers to
[1:46:47] seducing desires temptation Yoko Ono
[1:46:52] brought us earth from conflict areas to
[1:46:55] remind us of our dark side our own peace
[1:46:57] for history and today were honored by
[1:47:01] the presence of His Holiness the Dalai
[1:47:02] Lama a noble man of peace so just to set
[1:47:06] the scene this moment is rich in meaning
[1:47:09] and symbolism showing us two sides of
[1:47:12] the spectrum I recall vividly that power
[1:47:17] mustered the deputy director of the new
[1:47:19] church called us with the request
[1:47:21] to contribute to an opening for an
[1:47:24] exhibition on the life of Buddha now
[1:47:27] especially would like to thank him Kista
[1:47:32] Siva Madeleine Madeleine Dave pertain
[1:47:36] and all others involved for the
[1:47:38] wonderful results a beautiful
[1:47:40] composition singularity who is grateful
[1:47:43] to be able to contribute to conversation
[1:47:44] on compassion and technology
[1:47:46] Tek requires compassion when designed
[1:47:50] and when used singularity refers to the
[1:47:56] fact that we can't look beyond the
[1:47:57] present with great certainty progress
[1:48:00] will leave very few things the same our
[1:48:03] human nature curiosity desires will have
[1:48:08] no ending so how can we focus our
[1:48:11] attention our desires to the positive
[1:48:13] the important using tech for good and
[1:48:18] what's good the previous exhibition of
[1:48:23] the new character new church and
[1:48:26] singularity summit refer to be the
[1:48:28] change be the change you wish to see in
[1:48:31] the world we might disagree upon the use
[1:48:34] of technology its purpose its goals or
[1:48:38] how to get there perhaps as part of the
[1:48:41] beauty of our human quest even with
[1:48:44] eternal life the quest remains how do we
[1:48:47] want to spend our time and energy no one
[1:48:51] will ever have all answers we have to
[1:48:56] explore together what a good life a good
[1:48:58] society and the right application of
[1:49:00] technology entails in a complex world
[1:49:04] there are often no simple static answers
[1:49:06] so we should not concentrate wealth
[1:49:09] capital power knowledge we need to
[1:49:13] distribute the kind allowing
[1:49:16] perspectives from all angles with deep
[1:49:20] dialogue and yes there will be
[1:49:22] unintended consequences our site and
[1:49:26] nature is limited you can argue whether
[1:49:31] technology for mankind is nature second
[1:49:34] nature or call
[1:49:35] sure in any event the technological
[1:49:38] evolution will raise deep questions like
[1:49:42] what does it mean to be human his
[1:49:44] prosperity limited to the circumstances
[1:49:47] of one's birth will progress by some
[1:49:51] result in abundance for all what is
[1:49:55] progress how much do we need how much is
[1:49:59] enough where do we draw the line will we
[1:50:04] be able to extend our concern Beyond
[1:50:07] Borders we will be able to consider the
[1:50:10] impact of our actions and change our
[1:50:13] behavior
[1:50:13] I feel joyful I feel joy when I see
[1:50:18] Tilly taking a life with all her
[1:50:20] potential and imagine her playing the
[1:50:22] piano I feel joy when I see a v1 users
[1:50:27] being enthusiastic about being able to
[1:50:29] join friends and go outside for the
[1:50:31] first time and I feel joy when I hear
[1:50:34] youngsters ask Martha whether a robot
[1:50:37] will fall in love with him I certainly
[1:50:42] would feel joy if their ones could live
[1:50:46] a little longer
[1:50:55] so as technology and desires evolve the
[1:50:59] conversation on compassionate use of
[1:51:01] technology should also have no ending
[1:51:04] knowledge and values can guide us
[1:51:07] through these uncertain times but only
[1:51:09] if we're willing to challenge and update
[1:51:11] them with an open mind let's ensure that
[1:51:16] it's at least our intent to actively and
[1:51:19] consciously work towards a better future
[1:51:21] for ourselves and our children
[1:51:24] singularity you want to support and
[1:51:29] facilitate the dialogue enriching it
[1:51:32] with as many perspectives as possible
[1:51:37] today were grateful for the contribution
[1:51:40] by all panel members especially His
[1:51:42] Holiness the Dalai Lama and I would like
[1:51:46] to thank you our audience for your
[1:51:48] presence at the exhibition at the
[1:51:53] opening of an exhibition on Buddha's
[1:51:54] life pass through the presence and
[1:51:57] before we ask you to silently leave the
[1:52:00] church as His Holiness will be
[1:52:01] interviewed I would like all of us to
[1:52:05] reflect in silence together for 30
[1:52:08] seconds what has touched you today and
[1:52:12] what can you do next week to positively
[1:52:15] impact someone's life 30 seconds just a
[1:52:20] reflection
[1:52:54] thank you thank you thank you
[1:52:58] [Applause]