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[0:00] as human consciousness evolves the form
[0:04] that spiritual Traditions take will
[0:06] evolve with it the evolution of human
[0:08] consciousness we went from a early state
[0:10] where human beings were effortlessly
[0:12] Clairvoyant over time this ancient form
[0:15] of Clairvoyance began to die out we're
[0:18] in a sleeping Trans State all the time
[0:20] and that's one reason why there's so
[0:22] much destructive activity in the world
[0:23] so the goal is to be conscious all the
[0:25] time through the self-remembering
[0:26] process there's certain things we have
[0:28] to be very cautious of doesn't matter if
[0:30] if you're a musician or you're an artist
[0:32] or you're an architect or whatever
[0:34] there's always the ego inflation
[0:36] challenge that will come in but on the
[0:38] spiritual path it's particularly deadly
[0:41] this is very much a time of being able
[0:44] to break the old patterns and regain
[0:47] some of our old skills at a higher level
[0:50] we really do have the opportunity Now to
[0:53] create a new golden age if you choose
[0:55] the skillful way rather than the
[0:57] unskillful way you can get there more
[0:58] quickly you can suffer less and you can
[1:00] help other people to suffer less it's
[1:02] never too late to wake up and start now
[1:05] wherever you are on the
[1:09] [Music]
[1:12] path hey everyone welcome back to the no
[1:14] they self podcast I am so looking
[1:16] forward to this podcast one of my
[1:18] favorite things is when I get to do a
[1:19] two three plus hour Deep dive into some
[1:22] sort of philosophy or new area of life
[1:24] and understanding that I've recently
[1:26] found very fascinating and revealing and
[1:28] Awakening from my own personal path PA
[1:31] today we're going to be diving um in
[1:33] deep today with somebody who's a leading
[1:35] scholar in Rosicrucianism gnosticism
[1:37] sacred geometry um the process of
[1:40] self-awakening and so much more so Dr
[1:42] Robert Gilbert thanks for being here
[1:44] wonderful thank you so much for having
[1:45] me yeah the ruian saying in the
[1:48] beginning was the memory yes is where I
[1:50] want to start today what does that mean
[1:52] that's a great place to start so there
[1:55] are many different maxims or uh sayings
[1:59] in the rosac crucian tradition
[2:01] that provide some of the core principles
[2:04] and when you unpack them they really are
[2:06] related to certain types of practices or
[2:09] stages of an alchemical Journey so when
[2:12] the rosac crucians say that in the
[2:15] beginning was the memory what they mean
[2:17] is that in every Incarnation we have to
[2:20] take what's known as the draft of
[2:22] forgetfulness the draft of forgetfulness
[2:24] is where we incarnate and we don't have
[2:29] a clear memory of our previous lifetimes
[2:33] now this can be overcome through certain
[2:35] types of structuring of the subtle
[2:37] bodies that we can do over time and they
[2:42] will create literal structures in the
[2:44] subtle bodies that allow us to remember
[2:46] more about past incarnations but
[2:48] definitely in the beginning we have this
[2:51] draft of forgetfulness where we forget
[2:54] who am I why am I here and what is the
[2:56] purpose for the current
[2:59] Lifetime and so the in the beginning was
[3:02] the memory is simply the indication that
[3:05] at the beginning of every Incarnation we
[3:07] have to go through this reclaiming of
[3:10] our memory and once again knowing who we
[3:15] are and why we're here in this
[3:16] particular lifetime it's somewhat like
[3:19] the ancient myth of Anana where she
[3:22] dives into the underworld and gets all
[3:24] of her things stripped away from her at
[3:26] seven different levels until she's naked
[3:29] and hung up on a meat hook in the
[3:31] Underworld then has to take herself off
[3:33] that and then Ascend back up and regain
[3:35] everything at a higher octave as she
[3:38] comes back to her full power and so this
[3:42] is something very significant for every
[3:44] spiritual Seeker that particular process
[3:47] of remembering who am I and why am I
[3:50] here I'm really looking forward to
[3:53] unraveling that a little bit more for
[3:54] people that are new to ro to the word
[3:56] rosicrucian to uh mystical Christianity
[3:59] Rudolph
[4:00] Steiner uh can you lay a little bit of
[4:02] the framework and you know Foundation of
[4:05] what that is and where a lot of what
[4:06] we're going to be exploring today is
[4:08] kind of originating from great yes so
[4:11] I'll just say upfront that my
[4:13] perspective on this may be a bit
[4:15] different than that you'll find from
[4:16] other people that teach things regarded
[4:18] to the uh rosar crucian tradition but
[4:22] the first thing I want to bring out
[4:23] about it is that from my perspective the
[4:25] rosac crucian tradition is simply the
[4:28] latest appearance of a particular
[4:31] perennial tradition that's been around
[4:32] for thousands of years and it has some
[4:35] very clear Roots connected to ancient
[4:38] Egypt into the Jewish and Greek cabala
[4:41] into what became the Holy Grail
[4:43] tradition in Europe around the 9th
[4:46] century and then really broke the
[4:49] surface in its current
[4:52] form as the rosac crucian spiritual
[4:54] tradition in around the uh early 1600s
[4:59] in central
[5:00] Europe and so as human consciousness
[5:04] evolves the form that spiritual
[5:08] Traditions take will evolve with it and
[5:12] so the way that someone may be trained
[5:14] or educated in the rosac crucian
[5:15] tradition is something that makes sense
[5:18] for our current culture that we grow up
[5:20] in because if we were trained in the way
[5:23] that we were thousands of years ago in
[5:25] Egypt that wouldn't necessarily make
[5:26] sense for people the cultural context
[5:28] was very different even the structure of
[5:30] our Consciousness was very different
[5:32] then and so the rosac crucian tradition
[5:35] again is the evolution of this deep
[5:38] spiritual science from that time through
[5:41] multiple cultural ages and Consciousness
[5:44] States and when it broke the surface
[5:48] with the publication of some important
[5:50] documents uh in Central Europe in the
[5:53] early
[5:54] 1600s it was really informing the public
[5:57] that there was a type of West e
[6:01] spiritual initiation lineage of which
[6:04] there were people who were highly
[6:06] Advanced and developed in it the
[6:08] so-called rosac crucian Masters and
[6:10] there was a kind of invisible rosac
[6:12] crucian College which U was the joining
[6:18] together of these
[6:20] initiates and so as the information
[6:25] about the existence of Rosicrucianism
[6:27] developed one thing we need to be very
[6:29] clear about is that in the beginning it
[6:31] was not any type of external physical
[6:34] organization that you could join and
[6:36] become a member of or that was a
[6:40] physical
[6:41] location what it was is a number of
[6:44] initiates who had incarnated and had
[6:48] regained their knowledge in the
[6:49] beginning was the memory of who they are
[6:52] why they're here and had for many
[6:54] lifetimes been a part of this particular
[6:56] lineage as again it evolved into this
[6:59] new state
[7:00] into this new
[7:03] tradition and so one very useful way of
[7:07] understanding this and this is something
[7:09] that uh I found put into very clear form
[7:13] by one of my teachers Dr Samuel seagon
[7:16] at the Clair Vision School of Australia
[7:18] uh when I lived and worked at that
[7:21] school in the 1990s he said you have to
[7:23] be very clear that every spiritual
[7:25] tradition is a particular group of
[7:28] non-physical spiritual ual beings who
[7:31] are the ones that stand behind that
[7:34] tradition and whatever the purpose of
[7:35] that tradition is along with a certain
[7:38] set of human initiates that incarnate at
[7:42] a particular moment in time then they go
[7:44] out of incarnation they come back at
[7:46] another time and so the rosac crucian
[7:49] tradition is the same it's a particular
[7:52] group of Spiritual Beings working with
[7:55] human initiates to bring forward what we
[8:00] might say is the Hermetic tradition uh
[8:02] into a current form that people who are
[8:05] educated in the European North American
[8:08] sort of way can really understand and
[8:11] apply in their own lives so there is as
[8:15] we move into the rosar crucian tradition
[8:18] the understanding that every tradition
[8:20] being a group of spiritual and human
[8:22] beings working together for a common
[8:24] cause they often will focus on
[8:27] particular purposes or strengths
[8:30] that is really the reason why you have
[8:33] this tradition versus that
[8:35] tradition one idea behind this is that
[8:38] originally there was something known to
[8:40] the rosac crucians as the original nosis
[8:43] or the original mikelic knowledge so
[8:47] connected to the highest of the
[8:48] archangels Archangel Mikael understood
[8:50] in the rosac crucian tradition to not be
[8:52] a metaphor but a very real living
[8:54] spiritual being that we can contact and
[8:57] have a connection with that that in that
[9:00] original nosis there was all of the
[9:02] spiritual knowledge related to humanity
[9:04] and Humanity's
[9:06] evolution in a complete form then many
[9:10] ages ago on the earth that knowledge
[9:13] broke up and in a sense poetically it
[9:16] could be said to have fallen from the
[9:18] Heavens to different parts of the earth
[9:20] so the hamalian tradition got a
[9:22] particular part of it the Chinese
[9:23] tradition got a part of it the Greek
[9:25] tradition got a part of it South
[9:27] American tradition Etc different parts
[9:29] of the world received parts of that
[9:31] nosis and so they became guardians of
[9:35] particular aspects of spiritual
[9:37] knowledge and spiritual practices with
[9:40] the understanding that the spiritual
[9:42] practices will structure the subtle
[9:44] bodies of the people who do those
[9:46] practices in a way that helps to attain
[9:49] the goals of whatever that tradition is
[9:54] and it is also very possible I want to
[9:56] be clear that for every human being
[10:00] we may incarnate into more than one
[10:03] Tradition at different times so many
[10:05] people that I've encountered who have a
[10:08] very strong connection to the rosar
[10:10] crucian tradition do have lifetimes
[10:12] where they incarnated and were initiated
[10:15] in Chinese dosm or in the hamalian
[10:19] systems Kashmir shav ISM all types of
[10:22] things like this so it's not completely
[10:24] just one thing but we do tend to have a
[10:27] primary link to certain traditions and
[10:31] to the Spiritual Beings of that
[10:33] tradition so for the rosac crucians
[10:36] understanding it in that larger context
[10:38] the rosac crucians really specialize in
[10:42] attaining the most clear
[10:45] concise true understanding of
[10:48] non-physical realities and the sources
[10:52] of all physical existence in the
[10:54] spiritual world and really creating a
[10:56] new spiritual science I would say that's
[10:59] one of the cores of the rosar crucian
[11:01] tradition but even then we have to be
[11:03] very careful about overly simplifying or
[11:05] rigidifying what's a very Dynamic
[11:07] spiritual reality because even in
[11:10] Rosicrucianism there are branches that
[11:13] are related to the three functional
[11:15] centers of the human being so we have
[11:19] what in the Chinese DS tradition might
[11:22] be referred to as the three Elixir
[11:24] fields in the body the three danten the
[11:27] upper
[11:28] danten uh which is related to our
[11:31] Consciousness and is referred to as the
[11:33] thinking pole in the rosac crucian
[11:35] tradition the middle dantean the middle
[11:38] Elixir field which contains the heart
[11:40] and the lungs and is connected to our
[11:42] feeling uh in the sense of the emotional
[11:45] body and then we have the lower dantean
[11:48] the lower abdominal forces related to
[11:51] Life Energy and our will forces and the
[11:53] actions we take in the
[11:55] world so if you look at something like
[11:57] the work of Rudolph Steiner arguably the
[12:00] most advanced rosac crucian ever to make
[12:03] himself known to the public and to have
[12:05] created a body of knowledge and work
[12:07] that got disseminated to the public
[12:09] because there are over 350 volumes of
[12:12] Rudolph Steiner's work most of them are
[12:14] collected lectures some of them are
[12:16] books that he wrote but Steiner was
[12:20] essentially in the branch of
[12:21] Rosicrucianism related to the what the
[12:24] Chinese would call the eper Donan or the
[12:26] thinking pole it's all about having a
[12:29] clear understanding of spiritual science
[12:32] then for the feeling aspect related to
[12:35] the heart and the lungs there's another
[12:38] Branch uh of
[12:40] Rosicrucianism that is related to things
[12:43] that we associate today with the Holy
[12:44] Grail tradition not in the sense of a
[12:47] lot of the modern materialistic work on
[12:48] the Holy Grail which tries to focus on
[12:51] physical Bloodlines that was not the
[12:53] original intent of the Holy Grail
[12:54] tradition what it was is to become a
[12:58] vessel a Grail to receive the solar
[13:01] logos the powers of the sun into us and
[13:06] this does have relationships to
[13:08] pre-christian times with the ability to
[13:11] bring the forces of the sun into us and
[13:14] a larger Alchemy related to Sun and Moon
[13:16] Alchemy in the body which you find in
[13:18] many Traditions around the world this is
[13:20] like for the Chinese it would be the the
[13:23] Primeval Yang and the Primeval Yin
[13:25] coming together but sun and moon
[13:27] alchemies so this middle aspect here has
[13:30] to do with the development of the heart
[13:32] as a spiritual organ of perception and
[13:35] also a development of human morality not
[13:39] in a some type of rigid or dogmatic
[13:43] sense but in the sense of understanding
[13:46] our core connection to every other
[13:47] living being and how that naturally
[13:51] leads to an ethical way of life to
[13:53] benefit others through our actions it
[13:56] can also lead to extremely high forms of
[13:58] spiritual initiation
[14:00] and some very high initiates are
[14:02] connected to it then the lower abdominal
[14:05] forces with the will forces the ability
[14:09] to take action to transform the Earth
[14:12] gives rise to things like biodynamic
[14:15] Agriculture and literally transforming
[14:18] the Earth itself through our willpower
[14:21] and working with it so that's just a
[14:24] little introduction then to the rosac
[14:25] crucian tradition how it fits into the
[14:27] world system of traditions and some of
[14:29] the aspects incredible so we live in a
[14:33] society right now that is in many ways
[14:36] very overly identified with the rational
[14:38] mind and Einstein has that quote I
[14:41] believe that our the intuitive mind is a
[14:45] sacred gift the rational mind is a
[14:47] faithful servant we have created a
[14:49] society that honors the servant and has
[14:52] forgotten the gift yes and you're
[14:55] speaking to how we are very much so
[14:57] especially with the roshik crusan
[14:58] understanding but also ties back to many
[15:00] of these different lineages and ancient
[15:02] wisdom Traditions that we were
[15:04] constantly walking living in a sea of
[15:06] nonvisible forces and we have uh shut
[15:11] down our perception and our intuitive
[15:13] capacities to pay attention to these
[15:15] more subtle Realms within us and around
[15:18] us and so I would just love for you to
[15:19] share a little bit more about um you
[15:21] know as we start to go on this process
[15:23] and I want to go into the structuring of
[15:25] the subtle body and the 12 pedal Lotus
[15:28] and all of these things M um but just
[15:30] speak to how we very much so become
[15:32] disconnected from these more subtle
[15:34] Realms so the understanding and the
[15:37] rosac crusan tradition and you find
[15:39] aspects of this in other Traditions as
[15:41] well is that in the evolution of human
[15:43] consciousness we went from a early state
[15:46] where human beings were effortlessly
[15:48] Clairvoyant and this had to do with the
[15:50] activation of particular energy centers
[15:52] in the body uh certainly the third eye
[15:56] center is very important there
[16:00] but there are other what we think of as
[16:02] chakras today that are related to the
[16:04] process of Clairvoyance in different
[16:07] ways and other energy centers that are
[16:09] not as well known to the public such as
[16:11] the middle brow Center and the upper
[16:14] brow Center which is around the hairline
[16:17] which is what's known as the Unicorn
[16:18] Center to the Filipino um spiritual
[16:22] healers so again knowledge distributed
[16:25] in different places but we had a type of
[16:27] innate Clairvoyance where where everyone
[16:30] could immediately perceive non-physical
[16:32] beings so you study the oldest spiritual
[16:34] text and everyone is just perceiving
[16:37] these Spiritual Beings all the
[16:39] time now this was something that allowed
[16:44] human beings to be guided by Spiritual
[16:46] Beings and
[16:48] forces but human beings had not fully
[16:50] developed the ability of what we think
[16:53] of today as logical linear thinking that
[16:57] becomes completely independent and is
[17:00] linked to every human being becoming a
[17:05] independent actor in the world rather
[17:08] there's more of a group Consciousness so
[17:11] in the ancient world one of the worst
[17:12] punishments you could have would be to
[17:14] be thrown out from your tribe or later
[17:16] from your city state or something of
[17:19] that kind that was the worst punishment
[17:20] imaginable today people would love just
[17:23] to be punished by being thrown out of
[17:25] their city or their state or whatever it
[17:27] might be that would seem like a very
[17:28] little punishment to us
[17:29] but for them to be separated from their
[17:31] group was a terrible experience it just
[17:35] the State of Consciousness at the time
[17:38] and so over time human consciousness
[17:40] developed so that we became more
[17:43] involved with the brain thinking The
[17:46] Logical linear thinking taking this
[17:48] larger energy field around the head and
[17:51] its connection to the column of energy
[17:53] above our head and the multiple energy
[17:55] centers above the head again not well
[17:58] understood today but particularly in the
[18:00] hamalian tradition and in especially
[18:04] things like nepes Tonka paintings you'll
[18:07] see very clear depictions of the centers
[18:09] above the head their sacred geometric
[18:11] form and non-physical beings connecting
[18:14] to them usually through things like blue
[18:16] skinned women writing on clouds or
[18:17] something and they're connecting to
[18:19] these
[18:20] centers
[18:21] so this ancient form of Clairvoyance
[18:24] began to die out as human beings
[18:26] developed the ability to think with the
[18:28] brain in an individual independent way
[18:31] and we develop the capacity to have
[18:34] logical linear what we think of today uh
[18:38] more materialistic scientific thought
[18:40] and that gave us a certain type of
[18:42] control over the physical world that we
[18:44] didn't have before but it cut us off not
[18:47] only from perceiving non-physical beings
[18:50] but even being able to work dynamically
[18:53] with the pure energy and life forces in
[18:57] our own body and in the world around us
[19:01] some very advanced modern initiates like
[19:04] um sanus at tesas from Cyprus uh modern
[19:08] Greek Christian hermetic
[19:11] Master he described the way that in his
[19:14] old Egyptian Incarnation he could do
[19:17] incredible things with nature forces you
[19:19] know part the waters and create storms
[19:22] and all kinds of things was just natural
[19:24] at that time because of the connection
[19:26] to the the life forces the where we
[19:28] might referred to from the rosac crucian
[19:31] tradition as the aetheric forces of
[19:33] dynamic Life Energy which we would call
[19:35] Prana in India or Chi and China
[19:39] Etc uh he said that back in those days
[19:42] incredible things could be done with the
[19:43] nature forces can still be done by
[19:45] certain initiates but today because of
[19:48] the condensation of our energy field and
[19:52] moving into this type of logical linear
[19:54] thought a lot of that connection to and
[19:58] control over our own energy centers and
[20:01] body has been greatly reduced and for
[20:05] the vast majority of humanity today they
[20:06] have no consciousness of it only people
[20:08] going into certain Traditions to study
[20:11] and learn practices begin to reclaim
[20:13] those abilities and also to work with
[20:16] the dynamic energetic forces around us
[20:19] in a way that in the ancient world the
[20:21] initiates did fairly
[20:23] automatically so one way this is
[20:26] described in the rosac crucian tradition
[20:28] is that this proc process of moving into
[20:30] the brain is what became mirrored in the
[20:33] mythology of the labyrinth and the minur
[20:36] in The Labyrinth we're entering into the
[20:38] Labyrinth of the brain and into this
[20:40] logical linear thought I believe this is
[20:42] also connected to why you find for
[20:45] example the Jewish tradition had this
[20:50] prohibition against graven images and
[20:54] against visual
[20:55] representations because the old form of
[20:57] Consciousness was extremely visual ual
[20:59] it was based on a type of Clairvoyant
[21:02] pictoral representation of non-physical
[21:06] beings and the true perception of
[21:09] non-physical beings of course is never
[21:11] as you know a blue woman floating on a
[21:14] cloud in the East or of a young blonde
[21:18] muscular man wearing a suit of armor and
[21:20] a cape in Europe those are things that
[21:23] as we become more materialized it's the
[21:25] form we put it into it's we cast on it
[21:29] in its primeval form it's much more the
[21:31] reality of these beings which is more in
[21:34] terms of moving light color energy sound
[21:38] tone for non-physical beings that's more
[21:41] their true nature than anything that's
[21:43] like a physical person in front of you
[21:45] they could take that form or represent
[21:47] themselves in that form or we could
[21:48] clothe them in our own mind with that
[21:50] form as a way to understand them but
[21:53] again these images became more
[21:55] materialized over time and the majority
[21:57] of humanity lost the Capac capacity to
[21:59] directly perceive non-physical worlds
[22:02] and even their own life energy so part
[22:05] of what's Happening Now is that we've
[22:07] become so
[22:09] materialistic and our logical linear
[22:11] thinking has become so Advanced that the
[22:14] natural movement now in The evolutionary
[22:17] process we could see it in a sense as a
[22:19] type of descent from a higher state of
[22:21] perceiving non-physical planes
[22:22] non-physical worlds beings and then
[22:24] descending downward into the material
[22:27] plane so now we're very material beings
[22:30] people associate themselves very much
[22:32] with the current Incarnation and
[22:33] whatever their qualities are in that
[22:35] particular
[22:36] Incarnation and that's reached this
[22:38] point where now it's starting to pull up
[22:41] again now this is understood in the
[22:43] rosac crucian tradition as a particular
[22:46] cycle of time and that they refer to in
[22:49] the Eastern terms of the end of Cali
[22:51] Yuga now according to some Eastern
[22:53] Traditions were not at the end of caluga
[22:55] yet it's a tremendously long period of
[22:57] time but in other e traditions and in
[22:59] the rosac crucian tradition there's an
[23:01] aspect of caluga that's considered to
[23:03] have ended in
[23:04] 1899 so that's what you find for example
[23:07] in the Babaji lineage from the halalas
[23:11] where that teaching went to Shri yasar
[23:15] who in his book the holy science gives
[23:17] the date 1899 for the end of caluga
[23:21] period so this opening up from the Dark
[23:24] Age to this new age of light is
[23:27] accompanied with many many challenges
[23:29] when you make these Transitions and
[23:31] we're still very much very deep in
[23:33] materialism this process is just
[23:35] beginning but it is leading to things
[23:38] that you can see mirrored in the world
[23:40] around us today such as until a little
[23:44] over 100 years ago there really weren't
[23:46] forums for free independent Spiritual
[23:49] Development and sharing amongst people
[23:52] until the theosophical society developed
[23:55] in America in the late 1800s they really
[23:59] wasn't an organization that had branches
[24:01] all over the world that allowed you just
[24:03] to share spiritually with other people
[24:06] from the perspective of many Traditions
[24:09] rather than just being a part of one
[24:10] tradition in the past you most people
[24:12] would join one tradition for their
[24:14] entire lifetime and they would go very
[24:16] deep in that tradition and be initiated
[24:18] in it but they wouldn't necessarily have
[24:19] the knowledge of many different
[24:20] Traditions when people
[24:22] did acquire knowledge of many different
[24:24] Traditions they were often known to
[24:27] history and seen as remarkable
[24:30] people so only around this time of the
[24:32] end of the Cali
[24:34] Yuga as seen by the rosicrucians and
[24:37] certain lineages uh do we really have
[24:40] this growth of what people think of
[24:41] today as the modern metaphysical
[24:44] movement or the modern New Age movement
[24:47] so this is something that we have seen
[24:50] in the last hundred years people
[24:53] choosing an independent path of
[24:55] Spiritual Development rather than
[24:58] sometimes drawing one particular group
[25:00] and learning only from one teacher from
[25:03] one perspective people are learning
[25:06] really in the Hermetic way of from many
[25:09] different perspectives many different
[25:10] teachers and finding their own path that
[25:13] way and so a natural part of this is
[25:16] what the rosac crucian refer to as
[25:18] developing the new etheric
[25:20] Clairvoyance the new etheric
[25:22] Clairvoyance is that as we begin to
[25:24] develop once again Clairvoyant faculties
[25:26] that are not just fantasy or our own
[25:28] mental projections but something real
[25:31] then one of the first things we become
[25:32] aware of are the etheric life forces in
[25:35] the human body and so we become aware of
[25:38] the energy centers the energy flows
[25:40] being able to work with this part of the
[25:44] process of losing the old Clairvoyance
[25:47] is that in ancient times the human
[25:49] aetheric body was much further outside
[25:52] of the physical body than it is today it
[25:55] began to contract into the physical body
[25:57] and particularly around the head it
[25:59] began to contract into the brain that
[26:01] allowed us to use the brain much more
[26:03] effectively as a logical linear
[26:05] scientific
[26:06] instrument but where we're coming to now
[26:10] is that having contracted so far there's
[26:13] beginning to be expansions of the energy
[26:16] field and people naturally seeking out
[26:20] different systems whether it's yoga or
[26:23] Chinese internal Alchemy or any other
[26:25] system around the world that we can
[26:28] start becoming conscious of and working
[26:30] with the energy in the body and the
[26:31] energy flows in a highly productive way
[26:35] and again we can Now understand that at
[26:38] this growth of independent spiritual
[26:40] initiation and spiritual seeking and of
[26:44] more and more people going to yoga and
[26:46] other types of practices to understand
[26:48] the relationship between the physical
[26:50] and the energetic body and open up the
[26:52] energetic body now this is also
[26:54] connected to the tremendous what
[26:57] sometimes referred to today as the
[26:58] psychedelic
[26:59] Renaissance because one of the effect of
[27:02] psychedelic substances used in the
[27:03] ancient world now coming back today is
[27:07] that when you take them you have the
[27:10] capacity to start getting certain forms
[27:12] of Clairvoyance by taking sufficient
[27:15] dosages of some of these plant medicines
[27:18] now many of these are in a sense a
[27:20] poison and so as with all toxicology the
[27:24] dose makes the poison and if you did too
[27:27] much of it it could have certain effects
[27:30] that may not be beneficial but at a
[27:32] certain level one reason why it gives
[27:34] you this perception of non physical
[27:36] world activates these brain circuits is
[27:38] that it's having the effect of expanding
[27:40] the energy body outside of the physical
[27:43] body so people often find if they like
[27:45] did a lot of LSD they're starting to
[27:48] perceive all kinds of non-physical
[27:49] things and trying to make sense of it
[27:51] the issue is if they haven't properly
[27:54] purified or structured their subtle body
[27:56] before they do it they're expanding a
[27:58] structure that may not be completely
[28:01] balanced or properly structured and so
[28:04] there's a certain amount of
[28:08] fantasmagorico perception that happens
[28:10] with the expansion because the energy
[28:12] centers weren't essentially cleared and
[28:16] activated beforehand so that this
[28:19] expansion expanded them in a completely
[28:21] balanced way but nonetheless this
[28:24] process is ongoing with the Psychedelic
[28:26] Renaissance with these types of what's
[28:28] considered to be hallucinogenic but in
[28:30] its true form is actually Clairvoyance
[28:32] inducing it will become hallucinogenic
[28:34] if the energy centers aren't properly
[28:36] purified and activated first because
[28:39] then you're simply expanding a structure
[28:40] that's off balance but again this is
[28:43] expanding the energy body outside of the
[28:45] physical body and that's also why after
[28:47] someone does that experience they have
[28:49] this tremendous opening and all of these
[28:51] powerful experiences that they often
[28:53] feel very tired a couple of days
[28:55] afterwards because then there's like a
[28:58] shock retraction of the etheric body
[29:00] back into the physical body so all these
[29:02] are aspects of people becoming aware of
[29:06] the energy body and the things we're
[29:08] seeing in society today related to it I
[29:11] think that provides a lot of incredible
[29:14] context for the expanded awareness that
[29:16] a lot of people are experiencing right
[29:17] now on their own spiritual paths and yet
[29:20] if you like you spoke to if there's not
[29:22] the proper integration and structuring
[29:24] of the subtle body you're potentially
[29:26] opening up yourself to forces that will
[29:27] keep you really out of balance and so
[29:29] there can be great danger with it and I
[29:32] you know I've heard you share many times
[29:33] also how we live in a time now where we
[29:35] have access to so much information and
[29:37] wisdom and uh wisdom traditions and like
[29:40] so much knowledge which is an Incredible
[29:42] Gift and at the same time we can take it
[29:44] for granted and uh what used to in many
[29:47] Traditions take years decades or
[29:49] lifetimes to be able to get access to
[29:51] certain information we can just see on
[29:54] you know on our phone you know which is
[29:56] which is great right but then also like
[29:58] if we're not doing that work of
[29:59] integration to actually be able to
[30:01] embody that change then it becomes
[30:03] something that can almost be detrimental
[30:06] right this is the the thing that I often
[30:09] refer to about the blessing and the
[30:11] curse we have today that in our previous
[30:15] lifetimes uh particularly for the last
[30:18] many thousand years we've had the the
[30:21] challenge that it was very hard to
[30:22] acquire deep initiatory knowledge you'd
[30:25] have to join one group and go over many
[30:27] many years of
[30:29] deepening what they taught you to like
[30:30] reach the deeper
[30:32] Mysteries today many of these things
[30:34] that were very very hidden until
[30:36] extremely
[30:37] recently uh you can find in a book that
[30:40] you can buy for
[30:41] $20 um but they were like massive
[30:44] spiritual Secrets before but the problem
[30:46] is that the trivialization of modern
[30:49] culture and the trivialization of
[30:51] particularly spiritual science has led
[30:54] to a lot of fragments of
[30:55] information sometimes true but
[30:57] unconnected to the larger context that
[30:59] it came from or sometimes slightly
[31:02] warped and
[31:03] twisted uh this is something where the
[31:07] real challenge today is the challenge of
[31:09] discernment and of the ability to
[31:11] reunite the fragments back into a
[31:13] coherent ho and that's really been
[31:16] something that I've really devoted most
[31:19] of my life to is finding those often
[31:22] very amazing fragments from all types of
[31:24] different traditions and bodies of
[31:26] knowledge and finding the way to put
[31:29] them back into a clear coherent hole in
[31:33] a concise format where people can access
[31:36] it fairly quickly and having to spend
[31:39] years trying to find the pieces and put
[31:41] it together and also in a format where
[31:43] you don't have to join any organization
[31:45] you don't have to give your power away
[31:46] to anybody else you're finding the
[31:49] pieces of the knowledge and practices
[31:51] that you need to craft your own
[31:53] particular path forward so that's
[31:55] something that I've really dedic ated
[31:58] the vesa Institute to so again the
[32:02] challenge there is to be able to discern
[32:05] between what's true what's not true
[32:07] what's partly true uh but has to be
[32:10] corrected and in every case put it into
[32:12] the larger context of the complete
[32:14] system so that's very much what we're
[32:16] dealing with today many people know a
[32:19] lot of fragments but whether it's coming
[32:21] together into a coherent system that's
[32:23] actually going to structure their subtle
[32:25] bodies for real growth that will survive
[32:28] the Passage through the gate of death
[32:29] and into the next Incarnation is the
[32:32] thing we have to be very careful about
[32:33] now yeah it's so easy to take spiritual
[32:36] knowledge to inflate the ego versus
[32:39] actually uh honoring it with reverence
[32:42] working with it in your own spiritual
[32:44] life and practice embodying it and allow
[32:47] the life that you live to be the example
[32:49] for um you knowing what you know right
[32:52] because you don't know until it's in the
[32:53] body anyways yes I want to dive a little
[32:55] bit deeper into one of those
[32:58] understanding ings which is the
[32:59] structuring of the subtle body because
[33:01] as we live these lives in this physical
[33:03] form we can get very disconnected very
[33:05] distracted into accumulating things in
[33:07] the physical into materialism and we
[33:09] lose sight of one of the greatest
[33:12] possibilities and gifts and potential in
[33:13] this life to uh truly cultivate
[33:16] something that will carry with us after
[33:17] this physical form Fades away and um and
[33:20] so I just want you to speak into how
[33:22] important the structuring of the subtle
[33:24] body is what that is and the importance
[33:28] of of really cultivating that because
[33:30] it's what we take with us as we leave
[33:32] yes thank you so we have the
[33:35] understanding in multiple Traditions
[33:37] that there are different planes of
[33:39] existence so these are often referred to
[33:41] as the spiritual planes or sometimes as
[33:42] the planes of nature there are slightly
[33:45] different systems in different parts of
[33:47] the world uh the most common system we
[33:50] find in the west today is the one
[33:51] popularized by the theosophical society
[33:55] starting in the late 1800s so you have
[33:58] the physical
[33:59] plane uh where you have the physical
[34:02] materialization of concrete physical
[34:04] matter above that you have the aetheric
[34:06] Life
[34:07] Energy chii
[34:09] Prana and this is the dynamic life
[34:13] force that
[34:15] actually creates the pattern for
[34:18] everything that will physically
[34:19] crystallize so it has a sacred geometric
[34:24] type of structure to it and sometimes
[34:26] referred to by the rosac crucians as the
[34:28] thic formative forces that are going to
[34:30] literally form the shape and the
[34:33] function of everything that physically
[34:36] crystallizes is this something for
[34:37] example sorry to sidebar but just like
[34:39] simatics for example will reveal the
[34:41] sacred geometric structures on a 2d
[34:43] plane exactly so when you put those
[34:45] particular sound frequencies into the
[34:48] paste or the powder or the water you can
[34:51] then immediately see that by changing
[34:53] the sound frequencies you're changing
[34:56] the geometric structure of the substance
[34:59] and that's very much the way that this
[35:00] works it's really a revelation of
[35:02] aetheric formative forces structuring
[35:05] physical matter then above the etheric
[35:08] life plane and any one of these levels
[35:10] you could talk about for hours because
[35:11] they're all full of of their own uh
[35:14] intense Powers uh the next level above
[35:17] that is sometimes just referred to as
[35:20] the astral in the western world and when
[35:22] they use the term the astral sometimes
[35:24] it means the next level as the emotional
[35:27] body
[35:29] which this how it appears within the
[35:31] human being as the emotional body but
[35:33] then it is from a higher source or the
[35:36] astral plane the first true spiritual
[35:38] plane that we encounter and sometimes
[35:41] the term astral is used to indicate both
[35:44] the emotional and the mental planes it
[35:47] just depends on the group using it so we
[35:51] have then our emotional function our
[35:53] mental function which comes from higher
[35:55] plane levels at that point we're going
[35:57] from the vibration density pressure
[36:01] tingling hot and cold types of
[36:03] sensations of the etheric body to
[36:05] perceiving light and
[36:07] color and as we move to the emotional
[36:10] and the mental levels we then move to
[36:13] the causal level causal level has sacred
[36:16] geometric blueprints of how everything
[36:18] will take form at the later levels it's
[36:22] a the type of essence uh that will
[36:25] create everything in the world uh and
[36:28] the causal level also is where the
[36:30] actions that incarnate beings take will
[36:34] then create patterns blueprints for
[36:39] cause and effect for what these beings
[36:41] will encounter in the sense of
[36:43] karma then level above that is the
[36:46] spiritual plane and above that is the
[36:49] Divine plane so to really understand
[36:52] those planes we need to know that the
[36:53] Divine plane has no separation Divine
[36:57] plane everything is one that's the core
[37:00] highest teaching of every tradition is
[37:02] connecting back to the one where there's
[37:04] no separation between beings at
[37:07] all now this is something that we can
[37:09] perceive through the process of
[37:12] individuation because as we go below the
[37:14] Divine plane things begin to separate
[37:16] individuate start by splitting into Yin
[37:18] Andy Yang
[37:20] polarities and then they go into
[37:22] multiplicity and then form everything on
[37:25] the lower
[37:26] planes but we will sometimes perceive
[37:28] for example that you may in your
[37:31] Clairvoyant meditative work perceive a
[37:34] large spiritual being that appears to be
[37:36] one being and then you'll see multiple
[37:38] beings coming out of that being and they
[37:41] had combined into one great being
[37:45] because that is the capacity at a
[37:47] non-physical level for beings to unite
[37:49] back into the one but also to separate
[37:51] back into individual Spiritual Beings
[37:55] and so that's related to what's
[37:56] happening at the Divine plane
[37:58] when the way this tends to work for
[38:00] human beings as we experience that
[38:02] merging during types of tantric
[38:06] practices with an intimate partner where
[38:09] we're embracing the partner and the
[38:11] energy bodies merge to the point that we
[38:14] can't tell where we end and they begin
[38:17] and so the two become one we connect
[38:19] back to the Divine plane that opens up
[38:21] these highest yoga tantas and very high
[38:25] realization states often in dual
[38:27] cultivation with a partner so as we move
[38:31] from the unified State everything is one
[38:34] at the Divine plane the next level down
[38:37] the spiritual plane is where all of
[38:38] these different powers
[38:41] States functions of the Divine that are
[38:45] inherent within the one then separate
[38:47] out and they become personified in
[38:51] specific Spiritual Beings now this is
[38:54] something that even a lot of people in
[38:56] metaphysical circles today only have an
[38:57] intellectual understanding of the way
[39:00] that the powers of the Divine first form
[39:04] into conscious Spiritual Beings of a
[39:07] very great stature is fundamental to all
[39:10] the ancient traditions of the world if
[39:12] you're going to understand something
[39:13] like Shiva and Shakti that's one of the
[39:15] initial separations from the Divine
[39:17] godhead into masculine feminine pays in
[39:21] an embodied form as a real spiritual
[39:24] being not an
[39:25] abstraction and of course it is the same
[39:27] thing as in the Chinese tradition with
[39:29] the yin and yangong polarities but again
[39:31] it always starts as something that is
[39:35] personified in conscious Spiritual
[39:37] Beings of a very high
[39:39] level and then it moves down to the
[39:42] lower Plains to manifest everything
[39:45] until we get the manifestation of the
[39:47] microcosmic beings like human beings on
[39:50] the physical plane but we have within us
[39:53] the fractal of all the seven planes
[39:55] inside of us that's connected to certain
[39:57] energy ERS in certain structures of the
[39:59] subtle body so that's the first thing we
[40:01] have to understand that the human being
[40:03] as ancient text say is the microcosm of
[40:05] the
[40:06] macrocosm and in some texts they say
[40:09] that we're the crown of creation and the
[40:11] reason for that is that we are becoming
[40:13] conscious beings and that we have all
[40:15] the different planes inside of us as our
[40:18] subtle bodies so all the subtle bodies
[40:20] of the human being are nothing other
[40:22] than detachments from the substance of
[40:25] these higher planes that we've
[40:27] individually ual ized into our own
[40:29] subtle bodies in this lifetime so that's
[40:31] the prerequisite for understanding the
[40:33] structuring of the subtle bodies once
[40:34] we've been given that gift of these
[40:37] subtle bodies from the higher plain
[40:40] substances then everything we do with
[40:43] our mind our Consciousness our thinking
[40:47] everything we do with our life of
[40:49] feeling everything that we do with our
[40:51] life of action and will with these three
[40:54] centers are all causes set in motion
[40:57] they all have a vibrational quality they
[41:00] all will activate in the fractal
[41:02] structure of the energy points chakras
[41:06] meridians of the human energy body all
[41:09] of which are reflections of higher
[41:10] things they will start to activate
[41:13] certain parts of our energetic structure
[41:16] and it will sedate other aspects of it
[41:18] it will start to link up certain
[41:20] functional centers in the energy body
[41:22] with other functional centers then
[41:24] creating two-dimensional shapes or thre
[41:27] dimensional forms and essentially
[41:29] creating a sacred geometric patterning
[41:32] inside the subtle
[41:34] body and so the structuring of the
[41:36] subtle body is really one of the most
[41:39] important Concepts that we can have it
[41:42] is really that pearl of great price of
[41:44] what we go through in every
[41:46] Incarnation that is what we take with us
[41:49] we don't take all the material stuff
[41:50] with us but you will take how you
[41:52] structure the subtle bodies so if we act
[41:56] simply on a beastial level of the
[41:58] reactive mind and we don't try to attain
[42:02] any type of higher state of
[42:04] consciousness or understanding or loving
[42:06] kindness action to other people then
[42:10] what
[42:11] these what the Tibetans would call
[42:13] unskillful states that we're constantly
[42:15] generating with our detrimental thoughts
[42:18] and emotions and will impulses and
[42:20] actions in the
[42:21] world not only has an effect at the
[42:24] causal plane level of how it affects our
[42:26] Karma but but it also will activate
[42:29] parts of our energy
[42:32] structure that will be off balance and
[42:36] will be somewhat toxic and uh Works to
[42:40] sedate the more
[42:43] beneficial potential that we hold within
[42:46] the energy body if on the other hand
[42:49] we're working toward loving kindness and
[42:51] a higher enlightened Consciousness
[42:53] constantly being expanded forward things
[42:55] of this kind then we're activating the
[42:58] energy centers and linking them together
[43:00] into functional sets that again have a
[43:02] sacred geometric template to them and
[43:06] that will be what we take through the
[43:08] gate of death so this is absolutely
[43:12] vital knowledge for everyone that
[43:14] everything that you do every thought
[43:16] that you generate every emotion you
[43:18] generate every action you take is a
[43:20] cause set in motion and is structuring
[43:22] your subtle body through repetition
[43:24] you're entraining your subtle body to a
[43:26] particular form
[43:28] now one of the ways that psychedelic
[43:30] Renaissance the psychedelics can be used
[43:32] is they can be work for used for
[43:34] deconstruction purposes they take us
[43:37] temporarily out of the emerging in our
[43:41] own hypnotic trance of these lower
[43:44] States and we say oh why am I acting
[43:46] like that I don't have to have a life
[43:48] like that I could be something different
[43:50] and we can start consciously moving it
[43:52] forward this doesn't always happen but
[43:54] certainly the potential within the
[43:56] experience and happens for many
[43:58] people uh so that's some of the core of
[44:01] structuring of the subtle bodies then
[44:03] within initiatory practices you have
[44:07] particular methods to activate specific
[44:09] energy centers or particular linkages
[44:11] between energy centers sometimes within
[44:14] particular geometric structures so
[44:17] that's why for example in my Gaia TV
[44:19] series I talked about the pattern of
[44:23] what is called in the Jewish cabala the
[44:25] tree of life and and in dasc gloss's
[44:29] work from Greece is referred to as the
[44:31] symbol of life from its earlier Egyptian
[44:33] roots and I refer to as the gold pattern
[44:37] for the geometry of Life design and this
[44:41] has 10 centers that are linked together
[44:43] into this type of tree
[44:45] pattern that in the ancient world
[44:47] particularly in Egypt Jewish and Greek
[44:50] cabala and hidden aspects of later
[44:53] European Traditions is understanding
[44:56] that this is not just a cosmological map
[44:58] this is actually something that appears
[45:00] in a fractal form in every human energy
[45:02] field and by activating this pattern in
[45:05] the human energy body it's a very
[45:08] powerful core pattern to move forward
[45:10] other Traditions may work on activating
[45:12] other patterns or centers in the energy
[45:14] body and that becomes a huge body of
[45:17] knowledge and possibility for human
[45:20] development but that's I would say is
[45:23] some of the core things I would offer
[45:24] about what is the structuring of the
[45:26] subtle bodies this is something that I
[45:29] think we all experienced but maybe
[45:30] haven't put into words the way that you
[45:32] just did because whether it's a pattern
[45:36] which was a behavioral compensation from
[45:37] childhood or whatever it might be of
[45:39] over sexualizing in your brain or
[45:42] jealousy we've often met individuals who
[45:45] later in life after Decades of
[45:47] entraining their energetic body to be
[45:50] that way and like be callous in that way
[45:52] where we've met you know older spiritual
[45:54] men for example um that are kind of
[45:56] uncom iously like have leaky Sexual
[46:00] Energy um or like the Myriad of
[46:02] different ways in which our subtle body
[46:04] kind of informs our psychology right
[46:06] because like we're co-creators with the
[46:08] subtle body in ways that we kind of
[46:09] create it but then also it creates us
[46:12] and so I just want to speak into a
[46:13] little bit more of how we can because
[46:15] it's easy to get like stressed out of
[46:18] you know everything that I'm doing every
[46:20] thought that I have every feeling that I
[46:21] have is in a very direct way creating my
[46:23] reality but it's also very liberating
[46:25] once you realize um to to protect the
[46:28] accumulations of Impressions from the
[46:29] outside in to be mindful of the thoughts
[46:32] that you are thinking um and to uproot
[46:35] those those paradigms that we hold so
[46:37] deeply there are the and become The
[46:39] Offspring to so much of of those
[46:42] thoughts and uh and so it's just a
[46:45] really powerful thing to to double down
[46:47] on for our audience here because if
[46:49] we're looking to structure the subtle
[46:51] body in a way that is beneficial to us
[46:53] and the world around us um then it's
[46:55] just really important to harness the
[46:56] power of our intent of Our intention and
[47:00] attention and um and yeah and and
[47:03] structure it intentionally yes so this
[47:07] is going to be then a discussion about
[47:10] the Primal significance of
[47:13] self-observation mindfulness what gief
[47:16] called self-remembering yeah uh does
[47:19] this go now into the six six petal Lotus
[47:21] as well we'll get to that in a moment
[47:23] absolutely first I want to touch on what
[47:25] you were mentioning about like The Leaky
[47:28] Sexual Energy that you will find um and
[47:33] I do think it's that's a universal
[47:35] phenomenon for both men and women at
[47:38] particular stages and there's certain
[47:40] things we have to be very cautious of uh
[47:44] that I don't think has been clearly
[47:45] delineated in modern spiritual circles
[47:49] so one aspect of this is that all three
[47:52] danten must be fully activated and fully
[47:55] unified that means that there must be
[47:57] full activation of the sexual forces and
[48:00] they have to be integrated into the
[48:02] healthy emotion the Healthy Mind a
[48:05] healthy United State because the sexual
[48:06] energy is understood in the Chinese
[48:08] tradition is the Jing it is the core
[48:11] densified Life Energy and once you pass
[48:14] through puberty it gets expressed
[48:15] through the sexual forces so that has to
[48:18] be brought to its highest level of
[48:22] intensity in order to nourish the entire
[48:25] human energy body but also has to be
[48:28] integrated with all these other aspects
[48:30] or it can become something toxic yeah
[48:32] perturbed so there's an aspect of this
[48:35] that number one there were the problems
[48:38] in the European tradition of
[48:43] the overly sex negative uh Christian
[48:48] tradition particularly within
[48:50] Catholicism that led to the suppression
[48:54] of healthy sexual feeling and expression
[48:57] in a way that it then will become toxic
[49:01] if you have to hide it right then or
[49:04] it's like something that is described as
[49:07] being somehow satanic then the reason
[49:10] for all of the black magic circles and
[49:12] the black mass and all these things that
[49:14] developed within the Catholic Church
[49:15] among the priesthood is because they
[49:17] didn't have a healthy sexual Outlet it's
[49:19] going to take a detrimental form yeah
[49:22] how much shame you're going to create
[49:24] when you think you're going to burn in h
[49:25] For Eternity for having such a natural
[49:28] biological process happen because
[49:30] someone coming from like a South Sea
[49:32] Island that was not sexually repressed
[49:33] would never think to like hold a black
[49:35] mass where they're doing all these
[49:37] incredibly crazy things but that's
[49:40] because they got mentally programmed
[49:42] that oh if you're going to claim your
[49:43] Sexual Energy now it's satanic and now
[49:44] it's linked to all these other things
[49:46] but a healthy person would never make
[49:47] those
[49:48] associations so that was some of the
[49:50] problems that came into the Western
[49:51] tradition is that the sex negative
[49:54] aspect led to something absolutely
[49:56] fundamental
[49:57] becoming pathological and toxic another
[50:01] aspect and this also occurs with the
[50:04] Eastern tradition is something that is
[50:08] uh known as premature
[50:10] purification and that's not well known
[50:12] in spiritual circles today premature
[50:16] purification you will find in many
[50:17] Traditions also in the east in which a
[50:21] person begins to go on a very powerful
[50:25] dedicated spiritual path
[50:27] but they're doing what's known as
[50:29] purification in place that means they
[50:31] haven't fully lived through their full
[50:34] sexual nature and sexual experiences
[50:37] which include sexual exploration and all
[50:41] types of
[50:42] experiences they haven't really lived
[50:44] through that yet and by purifying in
[50:47] place they're in a sense suppressing
[50:49] that and what might be at an early
[50:51] adolescent stage of sexual development
[50:54] stays there and gets covered up with all
[50:57] these layers of higher Spiritual
[50:59] Development but then when they get taken
[51:02] out of their spiritual asham context and
[51:06] this happened with quite a few Eastern
[51:08] Masters that came to the US in the 60s
[51:11] and 70s they had developed like certain
[51:14] llamas and different things also oh
[51:17] absolutely I mean this is true for
[51:18] Tibetans Indians many Eastern Traditions
[51:21] once they began to come to the US and
[51:24] many of the US disciples had somewhat
[51:26] naive expectations of them the thing is
[51:29] that there was the expectation that if
[51:30] this person has real sitas real Powers
[51:33] then somehow they're a perfect human
[51:36] being that's not the case at all you can
[51:38] have all kinds of Cs and still have all
[51:40] types of
[51:42] uncompleted processes in your own energy
[51:44] body so you had these Masters that often
[51:47] had real abilities and higher States Of
[51:50] Consciousness but when they went from
[51:52] their asham environments in the halalas
[51:55] to being surrounded by new B young women
[51:58] or men in in uh a western context then
[52:03] it became all types of improper sexual
[52:06] manipulation of students and that's
[52:09] simply because they were faced with
[52:11] temptations that the purification in
[52:13] place brought out the parts of
[52:15] themselves that weren't allowed to
[52:16] develop to a higher extent so actually
[52:20] one of the things I think is a a great
[52:23] benefit of the modern Western
[52:26] independent spirit spiritual path that
[52:27] we're seeing
[52:29] today is a often not clearly defined
[52:34] understanding but somewhat in the
[52:35] background that we do need to have that
[52:38] prodigal son or daughter stage of
[52:40] experiencing and experimenting with the
[52:43] Sexual Energy because it's the core life
[52:44] force until it becomes fully
[52:47] integrated and that even people that are
[52:50] highly advanced in all kinds of ways
[52:52] you'll if you actually get to know them
[52:54] you'll find that there's all kinds of
[52:56] weird sexual stuff they're still working
[52:58] out partly because you can experiment
[53:00] with it today and in many of our past
[53:02] incarnations that was very suppressed
[53:04] and very difficult to work with so
[53:07] that's something I think people need to
[53:08] be aware of upfront is the challenge of
[53:12] premature purification of purification
[53:14] in place I very rarely hear any
[53:17] discussion of it uh and the
[53:19] understanding that just because someone
[53:21] has certain Advanced spiritual abilities
[53:23] it doesn't mean they've worked through
[53:25] all these core issues because the Sexual
[53:28] Energy then gets very tied into the
[53:30] emotional energy has to do with all
[53:32] types of issues of self-worth and of the
[53:35] desire nature and all these types of
[53:37] things and then it's going to be
[53:38] connected to the thought forms that we
[53:40] have around our sexuality other people's
[53:44] sexuality and again once people begin to
[53:47] get certain level of uh spiritual
[53:51] knowledge spiritual ability some sitas
[53:54] as I've spoken of in other places there
[53:56] is one of the first challenges on the
[53:58] path is the path the challenge of
[54:05] the falling prey to a premature ego
[54:09] inflation and thinking you're more
[54:11] advanced than you are then starting your
[54:13] own little Guru group and then maybe it
[54:18] was fairly clean in the beginning but
[54:19] then as you get more power more people
[54:21] give their power to you then all of
[54:23] those unaddressed things come out sexual
[54:25] manipulation it's one of those things
[54:27] that you see so often that at this point
[54:30] any person involved in spiritual work
[54:34] just needs to be have a mature attitude
[54:36] toward it that this is just because
[54:38] someone spiritually advanced in certain
[54:39] ways doesn't mean that they've completed
[54:42] all these other developmental processes
[54:45] and that's very true emotionally and
[54:46] it's very true sexually even if their
[54:49] thought forms are fantastic these two
[54:51] centers require a lot of of work and we
[54:54] have the opportunity today to explore
[54:56] with them in ways that were very
[54:57] difficult to do in many previous
[55:00] incarnations so I just wanted to mention
[55:02] that as something very important that's
[55:03] one reason why I never present myself as
[55:06] like I never say I'm an initiate I never
[55:08] say that I'm a spiritual Master that's
[55:11] all a bunch of ego nonsense I'm just
[55:13] someone that has studied on the path and
[55:15] I'm offering what I think may be of use
[55:17] to other people I still have all kinds
[55:19] of crazy stuff that I'm still working
[55:20] through and I don't want to be
[55:22] inauthentic and ever claiming anything
[55:24] else and the people I'm most comfortable
[55:26] with who teach spiritually and do things
[55:28] of that kind are people that also
[55:30] acknowledge that and don't pretend to
[55:32] have a total purified nature now there
[55:35] may be spiritual teachers in the world
[55:36] that have attained that but that's a
[55:39] minority and particularly in the west
[55:42] many people that we work with we're all
[55:43] working on our own stuff okay so that's
[55:47] one aspect of it now the next aspect of
[55:51] really developing on the
[55:53] path is what you were touching on before
[55:56] is the importance in really every
[55:59] tradition whether you look at the
[56:01] ancient temples of initiation that had
[56:03] know thyself over the entrance way or
[56:07] the concepts of mindfulness in eastern
[56:11] Traditions the concept of
[56:14] self-observation in more modern Western
[56:17] and Eastern European Traditions also
[56:20] gief's concept of self-remembering is
[56:23] absolutely essential they're are really
[56:24] the same thing and that is to be able to
[56:27] observe yourself with complete
[56:29] neutrality as if you're observing a
[56:31] person outside of you to see what is the
[56:35] actual content of your thoughts your
[56:38] feelings and your actions now this takes
[56:40] slightly different forms and other
[56:42] Traditions it would be for example for
[56:43] the Buddhist it would be observing your
[56:45] thought your speech and your actions but
[56:48] these things are very closely
[56:50] connected and so of course these are
[56:52] reflections of the three primary centers
[56:54] what are we actually generating there
[56:55] that's creating the structure structures
[56:57] of the subtle
[56:58] bodies and so to observe these centers
[57:02] as the
[57:03] first aspect of the work so we're
[57:06] observing the thoughts that we generate
[57:09] the feelings that we have the actions
[57:10] that we're taking and getting to the
[57:13] point where we observe the will impulses
[57:16] that precede the action not just the
[57:19] physical action itself because we can
[57:21] stop performing detrimental actions in
[57:24] the world if we can start catching the
[57:26] will impulse before it manifests in the
[57:29] action so in day-to-day life this looks
[57:31] like just paying attention before like
[57:35] the the impulse to say something that
[57:37] might be hurtful to somebody or to reach
[57:39] in the cookie jar or whatever the case
[57:41] might be to observe the impulse uh
[57:44] before you act on the sensory like to to
[57:47] actually do it absolutely and so through
[57:52] the observation stage the first stage is
[57:55] one in which we don't try to change the
[57:58] content now usually when things are
[58:00] observed they're on their best behavior
[58:02] so our worst thoughts feelings actions
[58:05] or when we're not observing ourselves or
[58:07] we think we're not being observed by
[58:08] others once we start observing it people
[58:11] often make the mistake when they start
[58:13] self-observation of like oh I'm
[58:15] observing my thoughts so I have only the
[58:17] most beautiful loving kind thoughts Etc
[58:20] but that's not really what they're
[58:21] actually generating during the day so
[58:22] you have to do it in the midst of lived
[58:24] activity in the midst of being with
[58:26] other people and the challenges that we
[58:29] encounter that trigger emotional
[58:30] reactions those kinds of things and so
[58:33] we observe it without trying to change
[58:35] it and then we begin to see how
[58:38] detrimental or as the Tibetans would say
[58:41] unskillful many of the thoughts feelings
[58:43] and actions we're generating actually
[58:45] are it also leads to what gerief I think
[58:48] quite brilliantly referred to as the
[58:50] terror of the
[58:51] situation that that has many different
[58:53] aspects but one part of it is man my
[58:55] thoughts feelings actions are really
[58:58] something I wouldn't want other people
[59:00] to clearly see because it's not very
[59:02] Advanced at all so that's the first
[59:04] stage You're simply observing it like it
[59:07] actually is no sugar
[59:09] coating then we start working with the
[59:13] direction of it so this then as I
[59:17] describe in my online course in
[59:19] essential teachings and practices of
[59:21] spiritual science one of those essential
[59:23] teachings and practices is the one about
[59:25] being able to generate a clear mind
[59:27] State that's receptive meditation where
[59:30] we can hold the Mind clear and then we
[59:32] can perceive non-physical realities or
[59:34] even our own internal content without
[59:36] sugar coating or Illusions over it so
[59:39] there's a receptive meditation there's
[59:41] the active meditation that's where we
[59:43] take action to craft a thought form and
[59:47] to create on a higher
[59:50] level so the receptive and the active
[59:53] work together we're doing the receptive
[59:55] when we're observing in the internal
[59:57] content you have to have a clear mind
[59:59] State mind is like the clear surface of
[1:00:02] water or a clear sky is the way it's
[1:00:04] often described and then we go into the
[1:00:07] active where now I'm going to generate
[1:00:09] the beneficial thought forms that I know
[1:00:12] would be my true
[1:00:14] potential the generation of the
[1:00:17] beneficial emotions that's my true
[1:00:19] potential the generation of the actual
[1:00:21] will impulses and actions that's my true
[1:00:24] potential and so there's uh those two
[1:00:27] aspects of meditation come in and often
[1:00:30] in many Traditions today there's only
[1:00:31] the teaching of receptive or active but
[1:00:34] rarely both and we have to have both so
[1:00:37] you'll find with things like Zen vapas
[1:00:40] Transcendental Meditation very powerful
[1:00:42] fantastic systems primarily receptive
[1:00:45] but many Western system systems
[1:00:47] primarily active and some of them they
[1:00:49] never teach people to attain a clear
[1:00:50] mind State before they start generating
[1:00:52] more things so now you're generating
[1:00:54] more content on top of monkey mind
[1:00:55] chatter
[1:00:57] and it it destroys the power of the
[1:01:00] coherent thought form so the like a very
[1:01:02] powerful combination would be like a
[1:01:03] basan or shunia something that kind of
[1:01:06] helps you realize the clear sky of your
[1:01:09] being and then a gratitude or loving
[1:01:11] kindness met meditation where it's
[1:01:13] you're directing with your will kindness
[1:01:15] and and well-being for those around you
[1:01:17] essentially absolutely and this would
[1:01:19] then lead to that active meditation
[1:01:22] where you're crafting the specific types
[1:01:24] of thoughts the specific types of
[1:01:25] emotions the specific actions in the
[1:01:28] world and that is really the active part
[1:01:31] of it now when we understand that this
[1:01:34] is absolutely essential I've mentioned
[1:01:37] number of times but I think it's worth
[1:01:38] repeating here uh something that I I
[1:01:43] often like to bring up as an example of
[1:01:45] this type of waking up and
[1:01:48] self-observation process again it comes
[1:01:51] from the work related to the Russian
[1:01:55] esotericist group
[1:01:57] gief one of his students was PD Al spiny
[1:01:59] who wrote a fantastic book called in
[1:02:01] search of the
[1:02:04] miraculous and in that book Al spiny
[1:02:07] talks about the way that he's learned
[1:02:09] from gerief the importance of what he
[1:02:11] calls self-remembering which is to
[1:02:13] observe yourself throughout the day
[1:02:16] because when you're not observing
[1:02:17] yourself you're actually
[1:02:19] unconscious you're actually in a trance
[1:02:22] State and so he describes the way that
[1:02:25] he wakes up in the morning he manages to
[1:02:28] attain self-remembering he's observing
[1:02:30] himself all the time he's going to work
[1:02:32] in the morning and he looks in a shop
[1:02:33] window and he sees something and the
[1:02:36] next time he becomes conscious again is
[1:02:39] it's late that night and he's taking his
[1:02:42] clothes off after the day of a full day
[1:02:45] at work and everything else but he had
[1:02:47] been unconscious the entire time he fell
[1:02:50] unconscious looking in the shop window
[1:02:52] he didn't wake up again until that
[1:02:54] evening he had gone to work he'd done a
[1:02:56] full day's work he'd gone out to dinner
[1:02:58] with friends he'd done all these other
[1:02:59] things but he had been unconscious the
[1:03:01] whole time just operating in this Trans
[1:03:04] State this is one aspect of the terror
[1:03:06] of the situation when you wake up and
[1:03:08] you realize we're in a sleeping Trans
[1:03:11] State all the time most of humanity is
[1:03:14] and that's one reason why there's so
[1:03:16] much destructive activity in the world
[1:03:18] is that people in trans states are
[1:03:21] programmed to do certain things that are
[1:03:23] often
[1:03:25] destructive and so that is the
[1:03:27] experience that many of us have on the
[1:03:29] path is we will have that terar of the
[1:03:31] situation of good God I just fell into a
[1:03:33] trans state that person spoke to me in
[1:03:35] that voice that subconsciously reminded
[1:03:37] me of this trauma State and I just went
[1:03:39] out and I I spoke and I acted
[1:03:42] detrimentally and then I did all these
[1:03:43] other ridiculous things and now I'm just
[1:03:45] becoming conscious again so the goal is
[1:03:47] to be conscious all the time through the
[1:03:49] self-remembering process now we can also
[1:03:52] connect that to what is considered the
[1:03:54] most essential practice in the Ros
[1:03:56] crucian tradition which is sometimes
[1:03:59] called the six basic exercises I prefer
[1:04:02] to call them the six essential exercises
[1:04:05] and sometimes when they're dealt with
[1:04:07] only the receptive aspect is described
[1:04:10] and I think that under the rubric of the
[1:04:12] six essential exercises both the
[1:04:14] receptive and active aspects must be
[1:04:17] practiced so I go into detail about all
[1:04:20] six of the exercises in my Essential
[1:04:23] teachings and practices of spiritual
[1:04:25] science course because that's where I
[1:04:26] try to lay down some of these
[1:04:28] fundamentals everything else has to be
[1:04:30] built on this beginning so the six basic
[1:04:34] or essential exercises in
[1:04:36] Rosicrucianism are six because they are
[1:04:40] half of the lotus Petals of the 12 petal
[1:04:42] Lotus of the heart so it's understood in
[1:04:46] the Indian tradition that the chakras
[1:04:47] have a certain number of lotus petals
[1:04:49] yeah there's very deep knowledge in the
[1:04:51] halalas of what these energy centers are
[1:04:55] and if you look at the Sanskrit names of
[1:04:57] them and Sanskrit descriptions they'll
[1:05:00] talk about the Divine forces that are
[1:05:02] microcosmically present in us through
[1:05:04] these chakras that give us these Divine
[1:05:07] abilities even like anahata which is
[1:05:10] referring to that energy center yeah in
[1:05:13] early Sanskrit teachings my
[1:05:15] understanding is that the actual
[1:05:16] vibration of the word when it was said
[1:05:18] actually correlates and resonates to the
[1:05:20] geometric pattern yes of that that it's
[1:05:23] fantastic that in the sacred languages
[1:05:27] like Sanskrit Hebrew some aspects of
[1:05:29] ancient Egyptian these languages are the
[1:05:33] expression of the vibrational power of
[1:05:36] the thing into the scale of sound and so
[1:05:40] that's where you get the Haka sounds of
[1:05:41] power in ancient Egypt that's where you
[1:05:43] get the mystery of the cabalistic word
[1:05:45] there's something very similar in the
[1:05:47] Indian tradition where these are the
[1:05:49] seed syllables these are the sounds they
[1:05:51] carry a power and the original true
[1:05:54] names of things are the combinations of
[1:05:57] the seed
[1:05:58] syllables that are the vibrational
[1:06:01] manifestation of the power of the thing
[1:06:03] that's being described and that's a
[1:06:05] tremendous thing so fascinating I was
[1:06:08] really just having a conversation
[1:06:09] recently with a with a new friend about
[1:06:12] the yeah one of the lineages in Sanskrit
[1:06:15] there's many different um ways in which
[1:06:18] the alphabet is constructed but one has
[1:06:20] 64 letters which also encodes with 64 of
[1:06:23] the DNA you know and many different
[1:06:27] 64 it's just so interesting and how the
[1:06:29] six Indian Six Original Indian schools
[1:06:32] of philosophy Vidant being just one of
[1:06:34] them like would correlate as you were
[1:06:36] saying the hymns or whatever would
[1:06:37] actually be the correlation and that the
[1:06:40] vibration in saying it is more so the
[1:06:41] teaching than the intellectual I guess
[1:06:43] digesting of the of the words um it's
[1:06:46] just it's it's so fascinating all the
[1:06:48] like delineating all these different
[1:06:50] wisdom traditions and how they would
[1:06:52] disseminate this wisdom yes absolutely
[1:06:55] and you find that these types of
[1:06:57] universal Mysteries are so core you find
[1:06:58] it in multiple Traditions like the
[1:07:00] mystery of the primordial word and the
[1:07:03] the sounds of power is very very
[1:07:07] significant because again with then when
[1:07:09] you said the name of something you
[1:07:10] actually were manifesting the power of
[1:07:12] it through the sound so with the six so
[1:07:15] back yeah six
[1:07:17] exercises
[1:07:19] uh we have the six Lotus Petals of the
[1:07:22] heart one lotus petal is being developed
[1:07:25] by each of the six different exercises
[1:07:28] and the six essential exercises the
[1:07:30] other six Lotus pedals are considered in
[1:07:32] the rosar crucian tradition to have been
[1:07:34] developed in previous lifetimes in
[1:07:37] previous stages of
[1:07:38] evolution so six of them are already
[1:07:40] somewhat active the other six need to be
[1:07:42] brought up through our own activity to
[1:07:44] their full activity the first one of the
[1:07:47] exercises is the observation and
[1:07:49] direction of our thinking content upper
[1:07:52] dantean content the second is the
[1:07:54] observation and then Direction of our
[1:07:57] feeling content the middle Donan and
[1:08:00] then the third is the observation and
[1:08:03] direction of our will forces and our
[1:08:06] actions in the world and our Dynamic
[1:08:07] life forces the lower
[1:08:10] donen then the fourth one has to do with
[1:08:15] a type of unbreakable positivity toward
[1:08:18] all of our life activities toward
[1:08:21] everything that comes to us through
[1:08:22] through our life uh which is easier said
[1:08:25] than done
[1:08:26] to to keep a positive view on it because
[1:08:28] even the most terrible destructive
[1:08:30] things are often a part of developing
[1:08:33] the pearl of great price they are the
[1:08:35] initiation trials and often people that
[1:08:38] have a lot that they need to
[1:08:41] overcome um are simply on the
[1:08:43] accelerated path of Spiritual
[1:08:45] Development uh even though they have a
[1:08:47] lot of challenges and it's very painful
[1:08:49] to always look for the The Beneficial
[1:08:51] the positive in things that has a real
[1:08:53] effect on the whole energy body then the
[1:08:56] fifth one is having a kind of like they
[1:09:01] talk about Zen mind beginner's mind it's
[1:09:03] a type of openness an openness to seeing
[1:09:07] everything differently than how we
[1:09:09] normally see it no matter how advanced
[1:09:10] we get that we have the openness to new
[1:09:14] experiences new people completely new
[1:09:16] ways of
[1:09:18] life and really seeing and experiencing
[1:09:21] things completely differently so a
[1:09:23] radical openness at all times because
[1:09:26] you'll often find even though somebody
[1:09:27] who's very spiritually developed they
[1:09:29] kind of get into their little you know
[1:09:31] it may be a fairly healthy rut but it's
[1:09:33] still kind of a rut and we we need to
[1:09:35] keep that dynamism of like The
[1:09:37] Beginner's mind I find like especially
[1:09:40] when it's most difficult are usually our
[1:09:41] most intimate relationships like family
[1:09:44] at Thanksgiving dinner like the times
[1:09:45] where it's really difficult to stay open
[1:09:47] and carry that openness are actually our
[1:09:50] greatest opportunities to cultivate that
[1:09:52] capacity for staying open you know like
[1:09:54] when it's hard to is actually when it's
[1:09:56] that real opportunity is to develop that
[1:09:58] absolutely yeah that's very much the
[1:10:00] case we have so many embedded
[1:10:02] transstates related to interactions with
[1:10:04] family particularly because so much of
[1:10:06] that happened when we were very young
[1:10:07] before we developed conscious mind and
[1:10:10] so that stuff goes really deep so that's
[1:10:12] five of them then the sixth is a
[1:10:15] harmonization of all of these together
[1:10:17] into one thing so the idea is
[1:10:21] that in the Ros crucian tradition um
[1:10:24] Rudolph Steiner mentioned that no matter
[1:10:27] what other exercises you do any
[1:10:30] detrimental effects that could come from
[1:10:31] any other detrimental activities that
[1:10:34] you engage in detrimental thoughts
[1:10:36] feelings actions uh detrimental effects
[1:10:38] of other types of spiritual practices
[1:10:41] they will be balanced by doing these six
[1:10:44] so particularly for people today who are
[1:10:46] experimenting with things from a lot of
[1:10:47] different traditions this really creates
[1:10:49] a core Foundation because again we're
[1:10:52] observing and directing beneficially
[1:10:54] everything that's happening on all these
[1:10:56] levels the other aspect of it is that
[1:11:00] why are we focusing then on developing
[1:11:03] the Heart Center first because we have
[1:11:06] to understand that in many ancient
[1:11:08] Traditions they're using the method of
[1:11:11] bottom up Activation so that's like
[1:11:14] Kundalini systems you activate the base
[1:11:16] of the spine first then you go upward
[1:11:18] but we have to understand that
[1:11:19] historically many of those types of
[1:11:21] particularly Eastern Traditions would be
[1:11:23] in an asham setting and you often be
[1:11:26] separated from people of the opposite
[1:11:28] sex or any type of sexual Temptation
[1:11:30] because if you open up the base of the
[1:11:32] spine energies first you're taking them
[1:11:34] up Shuma you're taking them up to the
[1:11:37] crown and then of course in more
[1:11:39] advanced work like you find in nepes
[1:11:42] Tradition kmir shavis you're starting to
[1:11:44] go up and you're working with even
[1:11:46] higher
[1:11:46] centers but it's within a context that
[1:11:51] you're opening up these very powerful
[1:11:52] vital life energies and it was
[1:11:54] understood at the time well that could
[1:11:55] just go go into wild levels of sexual
[1:11:58] activity if you're opening up that
[1:12:00] powerful
[1:12:01] forces and so that's why you know in
[1:12:04] some of the older Traditions they would
[1:12:06] say they would give people meditations
[1:12:09] like
[1:12:10] seeing the uh in your meditation on it
[1:12:15] the body of a person you might have
[1:12:16] sexual desire for as being full of
[1:12:19] excrement and all kinds of horrible
[1:12:21] nasty things you wouldn't be attracted
[1:12:22] to and these are ways to try to manage
[1:12:24] it in a practical form now of course it
[1:12:27] has its benefits this is a a real path
[1:12:29] that works if it's done properly the
[1:12:31] problem we have today of course with the
[1:12:33] bottom up systems other than what I just
[1:12:35] mentioned is that you have to have the
[1:12:38] subtle energy channels open otherwise
[1:12:40] you get what's called diverted risings
[1:12:42] and that leads to Kundalini sickness
[1:12:44] like what gry Krishna talks about in his
[1:12:46] book on Kundalini and a lot of people
[1:12:48] got it in the 60s and 70s now just as a
[1:12:52] quick side note to that uh for the
[1:12:54] bottom up method when many people began
[1:12:57] to develop because they hadn't opened up
[1:12:58] the subtle energy channels enough before
[1:13:00] they opened up Kundalini in 60s and70s
[1:13:02] in the US that was based on certain
[1:13:06] Eastern approaches that normally would
[1:13:08] have prerequisites before you did the
[1:13:10] higher level work so one thing that
[1:13:12] happened then is the early 1980s the
[1:13:14] hidden material from the Chinese DST
[1:13:17] yoga became available for the first time
[1:13:20] to the public very hidden before and so
[1:13:22] at that time they told people well what
[1:13:24] you're really working with then is the
[1:13:26] spinal Channel and then the front
[1:13:28] channel of the body governing vessel and
[1:13:30] conception vessel in Chinese medicine so
[1:13:33] the problem that is that you're getting
[1:13:34] diverted risings it's not going straight
[1:13:36] up to the Crown Center it's getting
[1:13:38] stuck in these other channels and what
[1:13:40] you need to do also is to make sure the
[1:13:42] energy doesn't get stuck in the head
[1:13:44] because the head cannot store vital
[1:13:46] energy safely vital energy is stored in
[1:13:48] the lower abdomen what called the low
[1:13:50] donen in the uh DS tradition and so they
[1:13:55] taught people how to connect the
[1:13:56] circuits simply by touching the tip of
[1:13:58] the tongue to the roof of the mouth the
[1:14:00] governing vessel coming up the spine
[1:14:03] this is also what's behind the Egyptian
[1:14:05] form of the staff in Egyptian initiation
[1:14:07] the first part of the staff is coming up
[1:14:09] the spine into the Jade pillow around
[1:14:11] the back of the head going up to the
[1:14:13] Crown Center then to the front where
[1:14:16] part of it can come out of the upper
[1:14:18] brow Center as the Urus but then it
[1:14:20] continues down to the upper
[1:14:22] pallet if it stays there you can build
[1:14:25] up too much energy in the head and
[1:14:27] you'll start getting Kundalini sickness
[1:14:29] if you touch the tip of the tongue to
[1:14:30] the roof of the mouth the tongue is the
[1:14:32] electrical conductor that links the
[1:14:34] governing vessel to the conception
[1:14:37] vessel and then the energy will run down
[1:14:40] from the head down the tongue move down
[1:14:43] the conception vessel where it can
[1:14:45] either circulate in What's called the
[1:14:47] microcosmic orbit or it can be stored
[1:14:50] through Vortex movements in the lower
[1:14:53] abdominal region in the lower d
[1:14:57] so that's just a quick sidelight for
[1:15:00] people related to the bottomup method of
[1:15:04] activation then the top- down method
[1:15:07] really became popularized with Christian
[1:15:09] initiation where you see the pictures of
[1:15:12] the
[1:15:12] Christ uh in the baptism in the Jordan
[1:15:16] by John and you see the line of Light
[1:15:20] Above his head that column of spirit
[1:15:22] that's so important in all traditions
[1:15:24] for advanced initiation and you see uh
[1:15:26] the dove of the Holy Spirit descending
[1:15:28] down into his Crown Center so that's an
[1:15:31] indication of the top down method and so
[1:15:34] you would actually activate the
[1:15:36] Consciousness
[1:15:37] first and then from the Consciousness
[1:15:40] activation you then move down to all the
[1:15:42] other chakras and centers so that bottom
[1:15:44] up top down but what people don't often
[1:15:47] realize is there's a center out method
[1:15:50] and that's the rosac crucian method is
[1:15:52] Center out so that's why we're doing the
[1:15:55] six basic exercises first and activating
[1:15:58] the heart chakra first with the six
[1:16:01] basic exercises because it's understood
[1:16:03] in the rosac crucian tradition that we
[1:16:05] can activate any of the chakras we can
[1:16:08] activate any acupuncture point in the
[1:16:09] body any meridians everyone of these
[1:16:12] holds uh a nectar inside of them even
[1:16:15] all the acupuncture points have a
[1:16:16] different divine power and nectar and on
[1:16:19] a greater scale so do the chakras and so
[1:16:23] when we activate them we go into them we
[1:16:25] can taste feel participate in that
[1:16:28] nectar but the thing is there always has
[1:16:31] to be some type of larger pattern or
[1:16:33] coordination for the
[1:16:35] activations otherwise it can just be all
[1:16:37] types of scattered
[1:16:39] fragments so the rosac crusan understand
[1:16:41] that by doing the six basic exercises
[1:16:44] first we're activating the heart to
[1:16:47] become the organizing center for the
[1:16:49] entire body of energy which is of
[1:16:52] incredibly significant
[1:16:55] impact for people's Spiritual
[1:16:56] Development so that whatever else
[1:16:58] they're doing to activate things in
[1:17:00] their energy body which again we're
[1:17:01] doing all the time through our thoughts
[1:17:03] our feelings our actions is all getting
[1:17:05] harmonized and coordinated with this
[1:17:08] type of Vortex center of the chakra of
[1:17:11] the heart being fully active and then
[1:17:13] organizing and coordinating everything
[1:17:16] throughout the body of energy and again
[1:17:19] the beginning of it is those mindfulness
[1:17:22] Consciousness practices that then link
[1:17:24] to our earlier topic so now we see how
[1:17:26] that's now developing into a specific
[1:17:29] system in one particular tradition in
[1:17:31] this case the rosac crucian that
[1:17:34] understands these other things
[1:17:35] contextually for why are we doing this I
[1:17:38] think that's uh I mean you dive much
[1:17:40] deeper in your courses which I think are
[1:17:42] incredible like you're such a powerful
[1:17:44] synthesizer of so many of these
[1:17:46] understandings highly recommend this
[1:17:48] process of cultivating the illuminated
[1:17:51] will I would love for you to share a
[1:17:53] little bit because it's tied in here
[1:17:54] right as we walk through our life to uh
[1:17:56] and we go in the process of
[1:17:57] self-actualization clearing out a lot of
[1:17:59] the stuff become more healthy clear we
[1:18:02] have the power to and capacity for this
[1:18:04] illuminated world to arise within our
[1:18:06] life and so uh what is that for people
[1:18:08] that don't understand or ar familiar
[1:18:10] with that so again I think we can
[1:18:13] understand it in context as part of the
[1:18:15] three primary centers with the
[1:18:19] Consciousness uh and the Heart forces of
[1:18:23] the emotional life and then the dynamic
[1:18:26] life forces of the
[1:18:28] body and how that manifests behind every
[1:18:31] action that we
[1:18:33] take so if we understand these three
[1:18:36] centers from another perspective the
[1:18:38] rosac crucians Rudolph Steiner working
[1:18:40] with other rosac crucians created what's
[1:18:42] known as anthroposophic medicine
[1:18:44] anthroposophic medicine is rosar crucian
[1:18:47] form of medicine it actually has
[1:18:49] hospitals and things in Germany and
[1:18:51] there are practitioners around the world
[1:18:52] they're all accredited medical doctors
[1:18:54] before they do the
[1:18:56] anthroposophic uh medicine training and
[1:18:59] they'll then as far as functional
[1:19:01] centers of the body refer to the Head
[1:19:04] Center as the nerve sense Center they'll
[1:19:08] refer to the middle dantean the Heart
[1:19:11] Center as the rhythmic Center because
[1:19:14] there's a rhythm that's maintained in
[1:19:16] the human body That's essential for life
[1:19:19] in both the respiration rate of the
[1:19:22] lungs and the pulsation of the heart and
[1:19:24] then in the lower abdomen they call it
[1:19:26] the metabolic limb system because that's
[1:19:29] everything to do with our metabolism our
[1:19:31] Dynamic life force and vitality and how
[1:19:33] it gets expressed through our actions
[1:19:36] through the movement of the
[1:19:38] limbs so when we see it from that
[1:19:41] perspective we can also add in another
[1:19:43] perspective there's a particular
[1:19:44] meditation that I do in some courses uh
[1:19:48] to activate the three centers with their
[1:19:51] core function and so we refer then to
[1:19:55] the function of the head Center the
[1:19:58] Consciousness Center as the function of
[1:20:00] light because Consciousness is light
[1:20:04] when light gets turned inside out and we
[1:20:07] experience light internally we
[1:20:09] experience Consciousness when
[1:20:11] Consciousness gets turned inside out to
[1:20:13] be expressed externally it becomes light
[1:20:16] light and Consciousness are the exact
[1:20:17] same thing so this is the center of
[1:20:20] light then for the forces of the middle
[1:20:23] dantean those are the forces of love so
[1:20:26] we have light love and love is the force
[1:20:28] that allows us to unite our Essence with
[1:20:31] another person it's that force
[1:20:34] of pulling us magnetically toward
[1:20:36] another person to be able to have two
[1:20:40] become one and return back to the one
[1:20:42] the Divine State it can only be done
[1:20:44] through the heart forces force of love
[1:20:47] then the lower abdominal forces are life
[1:20:51] they are the life forces they are what
[1:20:53] animate the physical body and make us
[1:20:54] alive
[1:20:55] and are behind every action we take in
[1:20:57] the world which also generates Karma so
[1:21:00] we have light love and life as the three
[1:21:03] centers so when we talk about the
[1:21:05] illuminated will we're talking about
[1:21:08] those forces that are connected to the
[1:21:10] lower abdomen the metabolic limb forces
[1:21:13] the ability to take action in our life
[1:21:16] the ability to take action in the world
[1:21:18] to transform the world around
[1:21:20] us and so illuminated will is really
[1:21:25] bringing together all of these centers
[1:21:27] where we have the clear Consciousness
[1:21:29] the clear understanding of the upper
[1:21:32] dantean the loving kindness connection
[1:21:35] to all that lives from the love heart
[1:21:38] center and then the ability to take
[1:21:42] action through the limbs and other
[1:21:44] actions in the world through the lower
[1:21:48] Donan so illuminated will has to be
[1:21:51] illuminated with light and with love so
[1:21:55] it really is a coding for activating all
[1:21:58] three centers together and then it being
[1:22:01] expressed sign me
[1:22:03] up sounds great so illuminated will then
[1:22:08] as we were talking about the six
[1:22:10] essential exercises there's an aspect of
[1:22:13] this again that it's not just the
[1:22:17] observation of the actual actions we
[1:22:19] take in the world but it's also becoming
[1:22:23] aware of that moment before the the
[1:22:25] action is taken to where we have that
[1:22:28] impulse that will lead to an action and
[1:22:30] that requires a deeper level of
[1:22:32] self-observation because we can stop
[1:22:34] ourselves from taking detrimental
[1:22:36] actions from speaking in an angry
[1:22:38] destructive way to another person or
[1:22:41] even thinking destructive thoughts and
[1:22:43] generating destructive emotions there's
[1:22:46] like a first impulse that comes in
[1:22:49] anybody that observes their reactive
[1:22:50] mind will become aware of that impulse
[1:22:53] and how it flares up
[1:22:55] like there's an actual energetic
[1:22:57] activation in the lower abdomen that
[1:23:00] happens it's a flaring of energy when a
[1:23:03] person becomes angry
[1:23:05] activated in some way triggered by
[1:23:07] external things so it's the observation
[1:23:09] of that trigger State before action is
[1:23:13] taken and so again whenever anything is
[1:23:16] observed it tends to get on its best
[1:23:19] behavior and we'll have a moment a a gap
[1:23:24] there
[1:23:25] between that initial impulse and acting
[1:23:28] on it and doing something so illuminated
[1:23:30] will requires that ability to observe
[1:23:34] that initial impulse to the action and
[1:23:36] run it through the powers of the three
[1:23:39] centers to only make it an action if
[1:23:42] it's something that is connected to our
[1:23:44] highest ideal and what we really want to
[1:23:47] accomplish in the world and not a
[1:23:48] reactive
[1:23:50] mind simply reactive state to something
[1:23:53] that we should deal with differently so
[1:23:55] I want to get your quick opinion because
[1:23:58] I mean I could literally talk to you for
[1:23:59] eight hours and and I feel like I'm
[1:24:01] going to there's still a lot I want to
[1:24:02] dive into this conversation but for
[1:24:04] those like that of course want to
[1:24:06] cultivate the capacity for illuminated
[1:24:08] will to the actions that take in the
[1:24:10] world to be in coherence with the light
[1:24:12] and love of their body uh but it's very
[1:24:16] they find it very difficult to pay
[1:24:17] attention to the sensation before the
[1:24:19] impulse um to even observe it before it
[1:24:23] happens it's very much so automatic and
[1:24:25] especially that people when people feel
[1:24:27] uh like they're very held on to by their
[1:24:29] addictive
[1:24:30] Tendencies uh like the grip is so strong
[1:24:33] it really hard it's really hard to even
[1:24:35] get to what we're speaking to I feel
[1:24:37] like often times and so um is there
[1:24:39] anything that you would would mention
[1:24:41] for those that feel like the grip on an
[1:24:43] addictive impulse for alcohol for sex
[1:24:46] for weed for um even a thought pattern
[1:24:50] like it is just so
[1:24:52] ingrained there's there's a lot of
[1:24:54] things I'll just mentioned a few of them
[1:24:57] briefly so of course there's a Master
[1:25:00] System developed in Buddhism for these
[1:25:03] types of things which again goes back to
[1:25:05] the mindfulness so when they work with
[1:25:07] addiction they will often say in the
[1:25:09] beginning don't even try to stop the
[1:25:10] addiction just be completely mindful of
[1:25:13] everything that you're thinking feeling
[1:25:16] Etc at the moment that you're doing it
[1:25:18] and just completely observe how does it
[1:25:20] actually make you feel what's the actual
[1:25:23] impact on you when you're fully
[1:25:25] conscious because an addictive impulse
[1:25:27] is one that's a Trans State and if you
[1:25:29] can be fully conscious at that moment
[1:25:31] you can do what in neural linguistic
[1:25:32] programming is called a pattern
[1:25:34] interrupt and you can interrupt the
[1:25:36] trance so that's one thing again there's
[1:25:39] much more detail on it in all the great
[1:25:41] Buddhist uh Traditions but the the core
[1:25:45] of it is simply to be very mindful you
[1:25:47] don't not do it but actually what does
[1:25:50] that alcohol actually taste like what
[1:25:51] does it actually feel like how does it
[1:25:52] actually affect your Consciousness are
[1:25:54] you becoming more aware enlightened
[1:25:57] loving or are you becoming something
[1:25:59] else through the effect of this on your
[1:26:01] Consciousness can you even stay
[1:26:02] conscious after you've drunk alcohol or
[1:26:04] is it pulling you automatically out of
[1:26:06] that into nothing but transstates
[1:26:09] so the observation and the actual
[1:26:12] experience of it fully is like a major
[1:26:15] part of it now there's also the aspect
[1:26:17] of it that as we have today in neural
[1:26:20] linguistic programming as a
[1:26:23] clarification of a lot of the
[1:26:25] subconscious programming of the human
[1:26:27] being there's the aspect of it where it
[1:26:31] all comes down to pain and pleasure if
[1:26:34] we subconsciously associate pleasure
[1:26:36] with the activity we will always do it
[1:26:39] no matter what the conscious mind says
[1:26:41] no matter what we're told from external
[1:26:43] sources is the right thing to do if we
[1:26:46] associate pleasure with it we will
[1:26:48] continue to do it or to seek to do it
[1:26:53] and if you haven't worked through
[1:26:56] changing your Association of it from
[1:26:58] pleasure to pain then even if you stop
[1:27:01] doing it it's like the people who are
[1:27:04] working against addictions and they say
[1:27:05] oh I struggle every day i' love to have
[1:27:08] a drink and and so they're like
[1:27:10] suffering inside because oh I want it I
[1:27:11] yearn for it so bad but I can't have it
[1:27:14] and there's like a lot of internal
[1:27:15] conflict they're not a super conductor
[1:27:17] spiritually it's like massive internal
[1:27:20] conflict all the time so the way to get
[1:27:23] out of that is simply to change the
[1:27:25] association now that may be easier said
[1:27:27] than done but the core of it is that
[1:27:29] this is the truth of it and that's why
[1:27:31] neural linguistic programming has been
[1:27:32] very successful for so many people for
[1:27:34] different things quick side note I do
[1:27:37] think that neural linguistic programming
[1:27:39] has taken many wrong terms and a lot of
[1:27:42] neural linguistic programming today like
[1:27:44] courses that are offered Etc is
[1:27:46] basically how to use it for like
[1:27:48] marketing things to people that they
[1:27:50] don't need or how to use it to
[1:27:52] manipulate other people subconsciously
[1:27:54] by knowing their inner code and
[1:27:56] triggering them to certain actions so I
[1:27:59] think a lot of it has become very toxic
[1:28:03] uh but that doesn't change the fact that
[1:28:04] the actual observations in neural
[1:28:07] linguistic programming are very very
[1:28:08] helpful the problem is that it became
[1:28:11] this type of you know how do you
[1:28:13] hypnotize another person to doing your
[1:28:14] will type of thing rather than what it
[1:28:17] should be which rather than how you
[1:28:20] induce trans station other people to get
[1:28:22] them do what you want them to do it
[1:28:24] should be how to train people to observe
[1:28:27] for themselves their trans States and
[1:28:29] how to get out of them and how to
[1:28:31] observe when another person's trying to
[1:28:33] put them in a Trans State through their
[1:28:36] speech their Cadence their tonality all
[1:28:39] these methods that are used in hypnotic
[1:28:41] induction and that are very well mapped
[1:28:43] in neur linguistic programming if it was
[1:28:45] used for the light it would be training
[1:28:48] every member of the public for how it
[1:28:50] works so they can no longer be
[1:28:51] manipulated by it and it teach them how
[1:28:54] to get out of trans States and into
[1:28:56] another state that's what its potential
[1:28:58] is so I just want to make that clear
[1:28:59] when I'm talking about NLP a lot of the
[1:29:02] way that it's being done today I don't
[1:29:03] think is healthy but
[1:29:05] nonetheless the knowledge itself is
[1:29:07] something significant so if you can
[1:29:10] change your Association so people that
[1:29:12] do therapy connected to NLP a person's
[1:29:14] trying to stop smoking or stop eating
[1:29:16] and they're obese or whatever it is it
[1:29:20] has to do with the fact that they have
[1:29:23] the subconscious trans state where they
[1:29:25] associate pleasure with the activity and
[1:29:27] instead they have to be taken through a
[1:29:29] process where now they associate
[1:29:31] tremendous pain with the
[1:29:33] activity like for people who are heroin
[1:29:37] addicts and can't get off heroin they
[1:29:39] associate tremendous pleasure with it
[1:29:41] but what about all the people that
[1:29:42] aren't on heroin they don't do it
[1:29:44] because they associate pain with it they
[1:29:46] associate the pain of shooting up they
[1:29:48] associate the pain of what it does to
[1:29:50] your life they associate the pain of
[1:29:51] what it would do to all the aspects of
[1:29:53] their social connection actions so it's
[1:29:56] all a matter of where the attention is
[1:29:57] focused so if we can change the focus of
[1:30:00] attention along with mindfulness to what
[1:30:04] something actually is and how it
[1:30:06] actually affects us and we can for the
[1:30:09] things that are detrimental associate
[1:30:10] pain with them there's no inner struggle
[1:30:12] you're a superconductor and you have no
[1:30:14] attraction to that addictive thing
[1:30:17] whatsoever if the things that we should
[1:30:18] be doing that we don't I need to eat
[1:30:20] healthy I need to exercise I need to
[1:30:22] heal my relationship with this person
[1:30:24] whatever that is if we associate
[1:30:26] pleasure with it we will do it so it all
[1:30:28] comes down to pain pleasure Association
[1:30:31] and again we have these modern systems
[1:30:33] that will help us understand exactly how
[1:30:35] the trans state is formed and how the
[1:30:37] trans state is disintegrated I would
[1:30:40] then mention that this is also part of
[1:30:41] the Psychedelic Renaissance I was just
[1:30:43] meeting yesterday with some lovely
[1:30:45] people in Santa
[1:30:48] Monica uh who have a medical practice uh
[1:30:51] that is exploring the use of
[1:30:53] psychotropics with with stopping
[1:30:55] addictive processes and overcoming
[1:30:57] trauma Etc and of course there's a lot
[1:30:58] of that happening now this is a real
[1:31:01] growth field it's really in its infancy
[1:31:03] as as how it's becoming medicalized or
[1:31:06] systematized within medical practice but
[1:31:10] it's so well understood now that some of
[1:31:14] these substances if you take them uh
[1:31:17] they will be the pattern interrupt to
[1:31:20] where you can change that state and you
[1:31:23] can break the The Addictive pattern and
[1:31:25] this goes all the way back to the 50s
[1:31:27] people doing LSD and they stop being
[1:31:29] alcoholics after one trip so that's
[1:31:32] because it's changing our Focus it's
[1:31:34] changing our perception it's also
[1:31:37] activating the energy body in a
[1:31:38] particular way all of which are
[1:31:39] interrelated yeah like John Hopkins
[1:31:41] recent studies
[1:31:43] or uh fairly recent studies of
[1:31:45] psilocybin in conjunction with therapy
[1:31:47] being extremely much more effective than
[1:31:50] any SSRI or like the futility
[1:31:52] Pharmaceuticals yes those are just a few
[1:31:55] things I would bring up for the breaking
[1:31:57] of addiction that's powerful you know
[1:31:59] young has that quote that is pleasure is
[1:32:01] tension
[1:32:03] reduction and a lot of it is like how
[1:32:06] it's it's just it's so Illuminating to
[1:32:08] see how all of it really is programming
[1:32:10] within us and how we perceive what is
[1:32:12] going to bring us pain versus pleasure
[1:32:13] so I think even alone the awareness of
[1:32:15] that Insight um starts to open the door
[1:32:18] into you actually reprogramming that
[1:32:20] through the various different Buddhist
[1:32:21] NLP or whatever Myriad of different um
[1:32:24] um yeah uh methods to to be able to
[1:32:27] rewrite that that code so I want
[1:32:31] to Now open up who the beings of aramon
[1:32:36] Lucifer these luciferic and armonic
[1:32:38] impulses within us the qualities that
[1:32:40] come from these beings um and for people
[1:32:42] that aren't familiar with them in their
[1:32:45] traditional understanding of of what and
[1:32:47] who they are yes um and then we'll kind
[1:32:50] of find the middle way as we as we tend
[1:32:52] to do here but uh yeah I'm excited to
[1:32:55] dive into this because it's been a big I
[1:32:58] think point of Illumination my own path
[1:33:00] the past few months so excited to dive
[1:33:02] in yes so we mentioned before everything
[1:33:05] comes from the one everything comes from
[1:33:07] the Divine
[1:33:08] plane then all the things that will
[1:33:11] manifest on the lower
[1:33:12] planes first manifest as Spiritual
[1:33:15] Beings that hold particular impulses
[1:33:19] particular
[1:33:20] functions in an individualized form
[1:33:24] and so again that's why you find in all
[1:33:25] the ancient Traditions they have all
[1:33:27] these gods and goddesses that have
[1:33:29] different powers now over time that
[1:33:31] became materialized and somewhat
[1:33:34] caricatured but nonetheless the core
[1:33:36] idea was there so as we're looking at
[1:33:40] the idea
[1:33:42] of the proper path of our spiritual
[1:33:45] Evolution on Earth there's going to be
[1:33:47] those forces that are part of the
[1:33:51] absolute correct pathway Direct
[1:33:55] in our evolutionary trajectory of
[1:33:57] getting to our spiritual
[1:33:59] destination now all of these things that
[1:34:02] we're talking about here are these core
[1:34:04] spiritual principles that form
[1:34:05] everything in our world starting with
[1:34:08] Divine to the spiritual plane then to
[1:34:09] the Realms of Karma and coration with a
[1:34:11] causal plane then everything below it
[1:34:14] they're all thought forms in the mind of
[1:34:16] God so that's one of the the terms that
[1:34:18] I find absolutely essential on the
[1:34:20] spiritual path is at the highest level
[1:34:23] the thought forms in the mind of God are
[1:34:25] of all the differentiated systems that
[1:34:28] will create the alchemical chamber that
[1:34:30] we're incarnating into as human beings
[1:34:33] for the structuring process and the
[1:34:35] alchemical
[1:34:37] retort and so those thought forms in the
[1:34:39] mind of God will manifest as beings on
[1:34:41] the spiritual
[1:34:43] plane now that as thought Fs in the mind
[1:34:46] of God always has a sacred geometric
[1:34:48] form to it and that's why when you see
[1:34:51] these geometric forms in different
[1:34:53] traditions they are themselves packed
[1:34:55] thought forms there's very deep things
[1:34:58] behind what you just see as a simple
[1:35:00] shape so for example if you look at the
[1:35:03] form of the Tree of Life the gold
[1:35:06] pattern that I talk about this core
[1:35:10] pattern of energy in the human body has
[1:35:12] a central Channel and has two side
[1:35:14] channels the human body is based on that
[1:35:17] we have the right and the left sides the
[1:35:19] yin and the Yang
[1:35:21] but before there was ever polarity there
[1:35:24] was the one there is that one Central
[1:35:26] channel so this occurs in the human
[1:35:28] energy body in the central channel that
[1:35:31] goes from the perenium to the crown now
[1:35:33] this is not Shuma Shuma is an interior
[1:35:36] channel of the spine also a very
[1:35:38] important Channel but the the one in the
[1:35:41] absolute center of the human body is the
[1:35:44] central channel that you see on the the
[1:35:46] tree of life it certainly connects to
[1:35:48] and works with shishna but it's it's its
[1:35:50] own thing then we have the two side
[1:35:53] channels in the body that are polarized
[1:35:55] Thea and pingala are I guess would be
[1:35:58] different that's no those are the forces
[1:36:00] within it they're not described that way
[1:36:03] in let's say the Egyptian Jewish Greek
[1:36:07] cabalistic uh but they do exist there so
[1:36:11] we have in this case we're talking about
[1:36:13] two straight side channels got it but
[1:36:15] within the two straight side channels is
[1:36:17] the potential for caduceus movement of
[1:36:19] the polarized forces which is the Idan
[1:36:22] pingala and at that point point they can
[1:36:24] begin to kaduceus and interconnect with
[1:36:27] the chakra system and whenever you get
[1:36:29] two opposite polarities connecting
[1:36:31] together now we're getting to
[1:36:32] vibrational science in vibrational
[1:36:35] science you get two opposite polarities
[1:36:36] together and this is also the core of
[1:36:38] Tantra in biological beings but it
[1:36:40] occurs with everything two opposite
[1:36:43] polarities combined together they will
[1:36:46] create a type of implosive cascade to
[1:36:49] Center that opens up uh a Gateway Beyond
[1:36:53] Time in space and that's happening all
[1:36:56] the time with e pingala combinations and
[1:36:58] caducus and there's things about this
[1:37:01] not using the terms Idan pingla but
[1:37:03] using other terms and connection to
[1:37:05] Spiritual Beings in things like the
[1:37:07] Greek tradition for example but if you
[1:37:10] understand the core pattern you can find
[1:37:12] it how it's being expressed in different
[1:37:14] ways so we've got the two side channels
[1:37:17] in the body which can also kaduceus and
[1:37:20] then we've got the central Channel only
[1:37:21] that Central channel on the tree of life
[1:37:23] goes goes up to the very highest the
[1:37:25] crown ker and all the way down to the
[1:37:27] lowest the Earth
[1:37:29] malet so this is actually a pattern in
[1:37:31] the human energy
[1:37:33] body now if we see this then as a
[1:37:36] microcosm of the larger pattern we can
[1:37:39] also see this aspect where the two
[1:37:44] polarities can manifest in their most
[1:37:47] primordial form as a circle because the
[1:37:51] circle and the sphere are really the
[1:37:53] first forms in sacred geometry they're
[1:37:55] like a evolutionary Cascade from thought
[1:37:59] forms in the mind of God you always
[1:38:01] start with an immaterial Center that
[1:38:03] immaterial Center like the Bindu Point
[1:38:06] has other names and other Traditions
[1:38:07] that immaterial Center is the connection
[1:38:09] point to the Divine plane it's in the
[1:38:11] center of everything not metaphorically
[1:38:13] but literally a lot of Egyptian
[1:38:16] biogeometry that I'm also very fortunate
[1:38:18] to teach through my teacher Ibraham
[1:38:21] kareim and Cairo Egypt uh is about how
[1:38:24] do you activate that immaterial Center
[1:38:26] of any person place thing because
[1:38:29] there's a Divine plain energy that
[1:38:30] expands when you do so it's remarkable
[1:38:33] system so the beginning is always the
[1:38:36] immaterial center that connects us back
[1:38:37] to the Divine to the one then that moves
[1:38:41] outward just like the concept of the
[1:38:43] singularity in physics moving outward to
[1:38:46] form SpaceTime and that's what it does
[1:38:49] it forms SpaceTime and it forms then
[1:38:51] around it spiritual plane causal plane
[1:38:54] Etc so these planes then form in
[1:38:57] sheathes around it microcosmically that
[1:38:59] is present in every person place and
[1:39:02] thing on earth those planes also have
[1:39:05] this formation this gets into technical
[1:39:07] knowledge of uh Temple initiation and
[1:39:10] Temple
[1:39:12] Sciences until you get to the outer
[1:39:14] boundary with the physical plane so you
[1:39:18] always have that movement from the
[1:39:19] immaterial center out to the periphery
[1:39:21] and that's what you see for example with
[1:39:23] the hieroglyph for the sun in ancient
[1:39:26] Egypt it's a point in the center of a
[1:39:28] circle and then that becomes in later
[1:39:31] Traditions the point in the center of
[1:39:33] the circle for the rosac crucians and
[1:39:34] godhead they'll have a something under
[1:39:37] it saying that it's the form of the
[1:39:39] godhead point in the center of the
[1:39:41] circle is the godhead the sun is the
[1:39:43] center of our solar system but also
[1:39:45] connected to the Divine plane in the
[1:39:46] godhead so it's a symbol for the Sun as
[1:39:49] in ancient Egypt it's also a symbol for
[1:39:51] gold so in alchemy pointing the center
[1:39:53] of circle was a symbol for gold that's
[1:39:55] because gold is the material
[1:39:59] crystallization of the energy field of
[1:40:01] the Sun not metaphorically but literally
[1:40:04] it has that vibrational Essence which is
[1:40:06] why it was so revered in ancient times
[1:40:08] just like silver is the actual
[1:40:10] crystallization of the energy field of
[1:40:12] the
[1:40:12] moon so you then have that form of the
[1:40:16] circle of the sphere as the primordial
[1:40:17] movement so let's say you have one of
[1:40:19] those that is made of one
[1:40:21] polarity now if you're going to combine
[1:40:23] that with the opp opposite polarity the
[1:40:25] two circles or spheres will overlap
[1:40:27] creating the VES yeah so that's the
[1:40:30] whole idea behind the vesa Institute
[1:40:32] it's where the two opposite polarities
[1:40:34] male female Heaven and Earth inner and
[1:40:37] outer all these sorts of things then
[1:40:41] combine with each other and where they
[1:40:43] overlap in what today is sometimes
[1:40:45] called a ven diagram it makes that
[1:40:47] almond shape where the two become one
[1:40:51] but then the outer sides of both circles
[1:40:53] where they're not overlapping then has
[1:40:55] the pure polarity information of the two
[1:40:57] but this is like the key to Tantra the
[1:40:59] two are overlapping and they create that
[1:41:01] almond shaped enclosure and now you can
[1:41:03] connect back to the Divine to the
[1:41:05] godhead so if we understand that as a
[1:41:09] core pattern for how energy works as
[1:41:12] when we apply that same principle to
[1:41:14] human evolution then we have a central
[1:41:18] path that goes Heaven and Earth and is
[1:41:22] like the direct path in our
[1:41:24] development like Christos or the Christ
[1:41:27] Channel kind of energy exactly when we
[1:41:30] see it in the concepts and terminology
[1:41:33] of the western tradition this would be
[1:41:36] the the energy of the Christ is held in
[1:41:39] that Central Channel and then as we move
[1:41:41] it from the Christ level to the Angelic
[1:41:44] level then in the west that Central
[1:41:46] channel is connected to Archangel Mikael
[1:41:48] considered to be the most advanced of
[1:41:50] the archangels in the western system so
[1:41:54] you have that as the central channel the
[1:41:56] only one that goes all the way up and
[1:41:57] all the way down in the tree of life
[1:41:58] microcosmically in the human body and
[1:42:01] then you have the two side channels and
[1:42:04] that manifests as what must occur if
[1:42:06] there's any freedom in a developmental
[1:42:09] system for freedom in a system that is
[1:42:13] conscious and can make Free Will choices
[1:42:15] you have to have the option to go off
[1:42:18] toward one polarity or the other
[1:42:20] polarity if you don't have that option
[1:42:22] there is no freedom
[1:42:24] and so our challenge as human beings is
[1:42:26] how to stay on that path toward our
[1:42:28] spiritual destination and not get too
[1:42:31] pulled off to one side or the other now
[1:42:34] just as the Christ Mikael Etc in the
[1:42:36] western system are the beings that are
[1:42:38] supporting us on that Journey on the
[1:42:42] middle pillar the middle path described
[1:42:44] by the Tibetans because the Tibetan
[1:42:47] system is all about the middle path take
[1:42:49] that middle path don't go too off to
[1:42:51] that extreme or the other extreme so
[1:42:53] there must be Spiritual Beings that
[1:42:56] embody going off the pathway to one side
[1:42:59] because this is really the pathway
[1:43:01] because we Are Spiritual Beings
[1:43:02] incarnated in a physical body it is the
[1:43:06] question of how do I act as a spiritual
[1:43:08] being in a physical body combining the
[1:43:12] necessities of spirit with the
[1:43:14] necessities of matter to get to the goal
[1:43:17] because that's a complex system we have
[1:43:19] to work with all of the demands of the
[1:43:21] physical body all the demands of the
[1:43:23] physical plane of embodiment with what
[1:43:25] the spiritual goal is and to keep all
[1:43:28] that coordinated is a real art in every
[1:43:30] human life so we have then if it goes
[1:43:35] off balance with the perfect balance of
[1:43:37] spirit and matter it can go off to the
[1:43:39] spirit side if it goes off to the spirit
[1:43:42] side it can lead to illusory forms of
[1:43:45] Spiritual Development it can go to the
[1:43:48] side of wanting constant ecstatic
[1:43:51] process to the point that the physical
[1:43:53] body cannot maintain it and so like
[1:43:56] example if you're a heroin addict you're
[1:43:57] running constant ecstatic process but
[1:43:59] the physical body just degenerates if
[1:44:01] you do that I can't take that can't
[1:44:03] handle the charge and so the impulse
[1:44:07] that's leading us to an unbalanced
[1:44:09] spirituality that ignores or doesn't
[1:44:12] properly esteem or understand the
[1:44:14] physical plane is what became known uh
[1:44:18] in terms of Lucifer meaning
[1:44:21] lightbearer because there's a tremendous
[1:44:24] misunderstanding
[1:44:25] in some Modern spiritual
[1:44:30] religions and uh even spiritual Seekers
[1:44:33] that we have the darkness and the light
[1:44:35] and the light is good and the Darkness
[1:44:37] is bad but too bright a light can blind
[1:44:40] us as surely as complete darkness can
[1:44:43] and so there's a misunderstanding in
[1:44:45] working with Spiritual Beings that any
[1:44:47] being that appears in light is a good
[1:44:48] being not necessarily because these are
[1:44:52] beings of TR tremendous spiritual light
[1:44:55] the luciferic beings were at large and
[1:44:57] of course their leader would be Lucifer
[1:44:59] himself the problem of even discussing
[1:45:02] this I'm doing my best to go very
[1:45:04] pedantically step by step through it
[1:45:07] because otherwise if you just start
[1:45:08] talking about oh Lucifer and araman and
[1:45:10] Satan there's so much conditioning
[1:45:12] there's so much conditioning there's so
[1:45:14] much caricaturing it becomes so
[1:45:16] trivialized and so ridiculous that we
[1:45:19] have to understand that our thought
[1:45:20] forms about these things are highly
[1:45:23] corrupted
[1:45:24] and so it's very hard for me to talk
[1:45:25] about this in public things because
[1:45:26] people have all types of knee-jerk
[1:45:28] reactions to these things either they
[1:45:30] don't exist or they want to go some
[1:45:32] fundamentalist route toward it and we
[1:45:35] have to start from the beginning so
[1:45:36] that's what I did the best to start the
[1:45:38] beginning with it so we then have the
[1:45:40] luciferic forces Which pull us
[1:45:44] toward getting away from everything we
[1:45:47] have to deal with in human physical life
[1:45:49] and just wanting to be totally spiritual
[1:45:52] and constant ecstatic process things of
[1:45:55] that kind so it manifests with
[1:45:57] everything of that nature and it also
[1:45:59] manifests as again illusory forms of
[1:46:02] spirituality spiritual teachings that
[1:46:04] are not true because for the luciferic
[1:46:07] beings it's fun to influence uh human
[1:46:09] beings which are like little children
[1:46:11] from their perspective to like come up
[1:46:13] with these wild fantasies about what
[1:46:15] actually exists they're not really that
[1:46:17] concern with spiritual science like
[1:46:19] whatever wild fantasy you have about how
[1:46:21] things are that's fine so that's the
[1:46:24] luciferic side then the aramon side is
[1:46:28] the opposite temptation to give all the
[1:46:31] weight to the material side of the
[1:46:34] Incarnation and then their ultimate uh
[1:46:38] teaching just like the ultimate teaching
[1:46:41] of the luciferic is basically everything
[1:46:44] in the physical plane is a Maya it's an
[1:46:45] illusion it doesn't exist get off the
[1:46:47] cycle of Karma and reincarnation there's
[1:46:49] no purpose for being
[1:46:50] here um and part of that comes from
[1:46:53] compassion for them they have their own
[1:46:55] weird ways but it's there's a a term in
[1:46:58] Russian that means a kind of
[1:47:00] condescending pity and they kind of have
[1:47:03] that they're kind of like why put these
[1:47:04] young Spiritual Beings through this
[1:47:05] thing that looks terrible have a good
[1:47:07] time get out of there so on the other
[1:47:10] side we have the the aramon beings and
[1:47:13] they have the name
[1:47:14] aramon uh because that's how they were
[1:47:17] described in the Persian zor asrian
[1:47:20] religion many thousands of years ago
[1:47:23] that was the first religion to describe
[1:47:25] them clearly because that was at the
[1:47:27] stage of human development the time that
[1:47:29] that religion crystallized with its
[1:47:31] particular spiritual initiate zor Aster
[1:47:34] that formed
[1:47:35] it uh they were the first to like really
[1:47:39] perceive this action before they were so
[1:47:41] Clairvoyant they weren't perceiving what
[1:47:43] was in the matter side so much so the
[1:47:47] aramon forces are the ones that make us
[1:47:49] believe that everything spiritual is an
[1:47:52] illusion it doesn't exist exist at all
[1:47:53] only matter is real they are behind all
[1:47:57] types of
[1:47:58] materialism if they had their way we
[1:48:00] would believe that we're nothing but a
[1:48:03] accident of chemicals randomly coming
[1:48:05] together and through a force of some
[1:48:07] type of blind Evolution we're just an
[1:48:10] evolutionary accident and we don't exist
[1:48:13] before birth we don't exist after death
[1:48:16] there's nothing spiritual there's
[1:48:17] nothing but the darwinian survival of
[1:48:20] the fittest nature is read in tooth and
[1:48:22] Claw and you're actually serving
[1:48:25] evolution by victimizing other people
[1:48:27] because the strongest should get the the
[1:48:29] proceeds and the weak should be
[1:48:31] destroyed and consumed so that's the
[1:48:34] aramon side of it pure
[1:48:36] materialism and so this
[1:48:39] became embodied within the Passion Play
[1:48:44] of the Life of Christ with the Christ
[1:48:48] being crucified on a cross between two
[1:48:50] thieves so there's one on one side and
[1:48:52] one on the other side just like the VES
[1:48:55] the two polarities and Christ in the
[1:48:57] center the two pillars on the tree of
[1:48:59] life and the one that goes all the way
[1:49:01] up and down is in the center with Christ
[1:49:03] literally being crucified on it Shuma
[1:49:05] and ID Binga like yes exactly and so uh
[1:49:11] what you find in that is that the the
[1:49:14] thief that has the luciferic tendency is
[1:49:17] overshadowed by
[1:49:18] Lucifer says to the other Thief uh you
[1:49:22] and I deserve to to suffer but this man
[1:49:24] is
[1:49:25] blameless and uh he inclines his head
[1:49:28] toward the Christ you see this on all of
[1:49:30] the depictions of the the three crosses
[1:49:33] at golgatha that one of the thieves has
[1:49:35] his head inclined toward Christ the
[1:49:37] other is turned away from Christ the one
[1:49:39] this head inclined toward Christ is the
[1:49:40] one with the luciferic impulse luciferic
[1:49:43] beings don't intend harm to the level
[1:49:45] that the aramon do and so he inclines
[1:49:48] his head toward the Christ and he says
[1:49:50] take me with you into your father's
[1:49:52] Kingdom and Christ says you will be with
[1:49:54] me in my father's Kingdom
[1:49:56] tonight and the other thief rebukes and
[1:49:59] reviles the Christ and his head is
[1:50:01] turned away and that shows a certain
[1:50:03] something about the nature of these
[1:50:06] beings and the redeemed Lucifer is known
[1:50:10] as the paraclet or the Parian spirit and
[1:50:14] that's something that happens within our
[1:50:15] own nature where our more wild partying
[1:50:20] uh exuberant experience of of life
[1:50:23] sometimes not very grounded can be
[1:50:25] turned toward the central pillar and
[1:50:27] toward the the central path in a way
[1:50:31] that should be understood the the
[1:50:34] materialistic side is the other thing so
[1:50:36] we have then the idea that we have the
[1:50:41] middle pillar with the Christ Mikel we
[1:50:43] have the unbalanced spirituality with
[1:50:45] Lucifer and we have the unbalanced
[1:50:47] materiality with araman now of course
[1:50:50] this is just a fundamental thought form
[1:50:52] about the whole thing and many Dynamic
[1:50:54] activities in spiritual reality are
[1:50:56] happening all the time and we are all
[1:50:59] influenced by Lucifer and araman all the
[1:51:01] time we would not have a physical body
[1:51:02] and a physical world to live in without
[1:51:04] the activity of the aramon beings they
[1:51:06] are the beings referred to in gnosticism
[1:51:09] as the demiurge the dark lord of this
[1:51:11] Earth they actually took the blueprint
[1:51:14] and crystallized it into physical matter
[1:51:15] that's part of their power they're all
[1:51:17] about
[1:51:18] materialism and they would be perfectly
[1:51:20] happy to manifest in human bodies that's
[1:51:23] they'd love to do that but because of
[1:51:25] certain things that are in place with
[1:51:27] the entire spiritual structure of human
[1:51:29] Incarnation on the Earth by and large
[1:51:31] they're prevented from doing that
[1:51:33] because that would be like getting a an
[1:51:36] old child molester playing in the
[1:51:38] sandbox with the children and they're
[1:51:40] not allowed that that particular thing
[1:51:42] but they have to be present here they
[1:51:43] have to have that magnetic pull toward
[1:51:45] their materialism side just like Lucifer
[1:51:47] gives a magnetic pole to the other side
[1:51:49] or else there' be no freedom in our
[1:51:51] development in Ros crucian ISM all of
[1:51:55] the higher Angelic ranks the nine ranks
[1:51:57] above the human race who are conscious
[1:51:59] beings that went through their stages of
[1:52:02] becoming self-aware multiple Cycles ago
[1:52:06] and the ones that did it most recently
[1:52:07] are called the angels two cycles before
[1:52:10] us archangels three Cycles before arai
[1:52:12] all the way up to many many cycles
[1:52:15] before you get to cherubim and seraphim
[1:52:17] so these are the great ancient ones they
[1:52:19] talk about ignosticism these are ancient
[1:52:21] beings massive Consciousness state
[1:52:23] States for these and so the human race
[1:52:27] also has a name because we are the group
[1:52:30] of Spiritual Beings that are currently
[1:52:32] undergoing our self-aware state to
[1:52:35] become independent beings and so our
[1:52:39] esoteric name in rosac christianism is
[1:52:42] spirits of love and
[1:52:44] freedom so we have to perfectly balance
[1:52:47] love and freedom in our lives the same
[1:52:50] way as we balance spirit and matter
[1:52:53] in a sense the spirit is connected to
[1:52:57] the love and the materialism is
[1:52:59] connected to the freedom in the sense
[1:53:01] that as an independent being separate
[1:53:04] from the others love is the force of
[1:53:05] attraction to merge back to the
[1:53:08] one and that's very connected to
[1:53:10] spiritual
[1:53:10] activity uh but you're not independent
[1:53:13] then you're part of you're back to the
[1:53:14] one and then the independence come when
[1:53:17] you're separate from others which is
[1:53:19] materialism you're completely separate
[1:53:21] from others you don't care what happens
[1:53:22] to others if you become totally
[1:53:24] materialistic and it all becomes
[1:53:26] completely egocentric your own ego
[1:53:28] inflation and then you control and
[1:53:30] dominate and screw over other people so
[1:53:33] we have to balance love and freedom both
[1:53:35] have to be completely present in an
[1:53:38] alchemy that we're developing so Lucifer
[1:53:41] and araman have to be present with the
[1:53:43] spiritual and materialistic sites or we
[1:53:45] wouldn't have any freedom of choice many
[1:53:47] human beings will shade over to becoming
[1:53:50] more luciferic many have shaded over to
[1:53:52] becoming more
[1:53:53] uh materialistic and AR you say many
[1:53:55] more like is there an imbalance
[1:53:57] currently ironically certainly in the
[1:54:00] west there is no question that araman is
[1:54:03] ruling the day and sometimes with people
[1:54:07] involved in the spiritual science work
[1:54:08] we refer to um araman Flagship is
[1:54:12] America America is aran's Flagship in
[1:54:15] the world we're sailing on araman
[1:54:16] Flagship living here there's a reason
[1:54:19] why we might have chosen to live here um
[1:54:22] it is really leading this whole
[1:54:24] particular type of movement then you
[1:54:27] find more luciferic tendencies in some
[1:54:29] of like the Eastern Mountain kingdoms
[1:54:31] and things like that and I say that
[1:54:33] without any type of fundamentalist like
[1:54:36] condemnation of them these are
[1:54:37] incredible places when you you have
[1:54:40] places like Bhutan and such where they
[1:54:42] look at uh rather than the gross
[1:54:46] domestic product they looking at
[1:54:47] whatever they call the gross human
[1:54:49] happiness scale or things like that I
[1:54:51] mean I appreciate very much what they
[1:54:54] have it's not putting them down to say
[1:54:55] that but you see the different
[1:54:56] Tendencies the East tends to be more
[1:54:58] luciferic the West tends to be more
[1:55:00] aramon is just a kind of tendency that
[1:55:03] happens with how that sacred geometry
[1:55:05] gets distributed in the
[1:55:06] world so all this then comes together
[1:55:10] with understanding what people learn in
[1:55:12] a completely corrupted way about Lucifer
[1:55:15] and Satan so people have been taught in
[1:55:17] the west today that Lucifer and sadan
[1:55:20] are the same being doesn't make the
[1:55:21] slightest bit of sense Lucifer is the
[1:55:23] lightbearer he's a tremendous being of
[1:55:25] Light how does that connect to a satanic
[1:55:27] being that lives in the Underworld as
[1:55:30] this type of corrupt gnarled type of
[1:55:32] being they're AB absolutely opposite
[1:55:35] forces so they're not the same being at
[1:55:37] all now in higher levels of even some of
[1:55:41] the more rigidified religions like in
[1:55:43] Catholicism the Jesuits will talk about
[1:55:45] oh yes Satan and Lucifer are two
[1:55:47] different beings but outside of that the
[1:55:50] way that it tends to get disseminated
[1:55:52] people think they're being and again
[1:55:54] that leads to a tremendous corruption
[1:55:56] you always have to understand the middle
[1:55:58] path is the way we're going on and we
[1:56:00] can fall off to either side without any
[1:56:03] type of sensationalistic understanding
[1:56:05] of the beings involved it's just a
[1:56:07] matter of fact just like there's certain
[1:56:09] bacteria that we can't let spread in our
[1:56:11] bodies but we don't freak out about the
[1:56:13] fact that bacteria exist so the the
[1:56:17] concept of Satan comes from the uh
[1:56:22] movement of the understanding of araman
[1:56:24] into later times so in
[1:56:29] Hebrew this being was referred to not as
[1:56:31] araman but as H Satan which means in
[1:56:34] Hebrew the adversary and then that got
[1:56:37] simplified to Satan in the western
[1:56:40] tradition and not coincidentally H set
[1:56:43] on is related to set in Egypt when the
[1:56:48] Jewish people came out of Egypt and The
[1:56:50] Exodus the knowledge they got from Moses
[1:56:52] is all from the Egyptian temples so
[1:56:55] araman becomes set becomes
[1:56:58] Hasan and now Satan today so that's my
[1:57:03] capsule summary of the nature of these
[1:57:05] beings and how it pertains to our own
[1:57:07] particular development and not having a
[1:57:09] sensationalistic view of it but
[1:57:10] understanding that these beings are
[1:57:12] influencing us all the time it's always
[1:57:14] a matter of trying to find our way on
[1:57:17] the middle path I often like to give
[1:57:19] this uh particular anecdote that many
[1:57:22] years ago I was watching the series
[1:57:23] Miami Vice and uh tubs and Crockett are
[1:57:28] talking to each other these two cops and
[1:57:32] uh one of them asks the other says you
[1:57:35] know as undercover cups we have to
[1:57:37] always deal with um the question of Are
[1:57:41] We crossing the line in what we do and
[1:57:44] the other one looks at him and says I
[1:57:47] don't even see the line until I'm over
[1:57:49] it and I thought that was like the best
[1:57:51] summary of this type of thing that
[1:57:54] middle pillar line is something that we
[1:57:56] often don't even see it until we're off
[1:57:58] of it and realize I've gone off to one
[1:58:00] side or the other it makes so much sense
[1:58:03] like how can one is have the experience
[1:58:06] of itself without The Duality without
[1:58:08] the separation to be able to to see
[1:58:10] itself in its all of its Glory yes yes
[1:58:14] incredible so I find the understanding
[1:58:17] of both these luciferic and armonic
[1:58:19] impulses very contextualizing for our
[1:58:21] own human Journey on a microcosm level
[1:58:24] but then also societally on the
[1:58:26] macrocosm level these are both very
[1:58:28] important energy systems for us to be
[1:58:30] able to have the Free Will and to
[1:58:32] eventually actually know who we are
[1:58:33] without that separation it's not
[1:58:35] possible right now for every listener we
[1:58:39] we have our own imbalances one way or
[1:58:40] the
[1:58:41] other one very common one is this
[1:58:44] luciferic inflation which I've heard you
[1:58:46] speak too many times which I actually
[1:58:48] feel like I've kind of had my own
[1:58:49] encounter and realization to my own
[1:58:51] personal Journey the past few weeks I
[1:58:54] think that with this being the know they
[1:58:55] self podcast with so much of like
[1:58:58] spiritual work kind of being focused on
[1:59:00] the self self-development self-
[1:59:02] attainment um self-realization like a
[1:59:05] lot of focus on self I'm also very
[1:59:07] blessed to receive a lot of beautiful
[1:59:10] Reflections and compliments of like
[1:59:12] you're so mature you're so developed for
[1:59:13] your age you know being in the position
[1:59:15] where I'm discussing a lot of these
[1:59:17] topics like I I get that it's beautiful
[1:59:20] and I was examining especially the part
[1:59:21] of me that really believes it you know
[1:59:23] or like even subtly relishes in hearing
[1:59:26] that and convinces myself that like no I
[1:59:29] don't I don't need to receive it like
[1:59:31] that but thank you you know but the part
[1:59:33] of me that actually does kind of believe
[1:59:35] into that and feed into any superiority
[1:59:38] and uh it was actually kind of like a
[1:59:41] painful uh just uncovering of realizing
[1:59:44] how in many ways I was viewing my
[1:59:46] spirituality stopping within the
[1:59:47] confines of my own comfort and
[1:59:49] convenience um any ways in which like my
[1:59:52] own view of spirituality was kind of
[1:59:54] creating more separation and so I want
[1:59:57] to speak into this because you know this
[2:00:01] conversation kind of this Insight I
[2:00:03] would say kind of came out of a
[2:00:04] conversation with a friend Daniel
[2:00:05] schmachtenberger few like four or five
[2:00:07] days ago which I don't know if you're
[2:00:08] familiar with incredibly brilliant
[2:00:10] individual hopefully have him on one day
[2:00:12] um but I was just really paying
[2:00:14] attention to this part that like how it
[2:00:16] builds into that superiority and I've
[2:00:18] heard you speak into how the uh
[2:00:20] luciferic karma is AR
[2:00:22] meaning we become these like spiritual
[2:00:24] materialists in many different ways
[2:00:26] right and so I want to just speak into
[2:00:30] your your uh feelings about this
[2:00:31] luciferic inflation this egoic
[2:00:34] inflation and kind of coming back into
[2:00:37] balance and realizing that yes it's
[2:00:38] important to go in this process of
[2:00:40] knowing who we are but it it exists
[2:00:43] within the context that we can't stop
[2:00:45] ourselves from seeing the suffering of
[2:00:46] the planet and um being of service in
[2:00:49] the heart of service so I know I opened
[2:00:51] up a lot there
[2:00:53] yes yes so I I think a helpful context
[2:00:56] for this is that you know the Earth
[2:00:59] plane is in some ways the School of Hard
[2:01:03] Knocks that we have to deal with a lot
[2:01:05] of challenges but it's through
[2:01:06] overcoming the challenges that we
[2:01:08] develop new abilities new understandings
[2:01:10] greater
[2:01:11] strengths sometimes I refer to it as
[2:01:13] spiritual weightlifting it's like if
[2:01:15] your physical body lifts increasingly
[2:01:18] heavier weights it'll get stronger and
[2:01:20] stronger and if we are dealing with
[2:01:23] greater and greater challenges in our
[2:01:25] physical Incarnation then we can
[2:01:27] spiritually become stronger and stronger
[2:01:29] and so a lot of the things that we deal
[2:01:32] with in a particular Incarnation are
[2:01:34] related to this in spiritual Traditions
[2:01:38] they often refer to this as the
[2:01:39] initiation trials we have to go through
[2:01:42] now some of these are just things that
[2:01:44] are brought To Us by our personal Karma
[2:01:47] or World Karma that we're embedded in or
[2:01:50] there things that are
[2:01:52] set up by the tradition themselves that
[2:01:55] we have to overcome as a type of
[2:01:57] initiation trial to get to the
[2:02:00] destination what I want to talk about
[2:02:02] now though is some of the fundamental
[2:02:04] types of trials that we will encounter
[2:02:07] on the spiritual path as we move forward
[2:02:10] so I've already referenced for example
[2:02:12] the particular trial or temptation of
[2:02:15] purification in place which is to do
[2:02:20] very Advanced Spiritual Development on
[2:02:21] some but not having dealt with some of
[2:02:23] our own core stuff particularly as it
[2:02:26] relates to physical Incarnation love and
[2:02:28] emotion sexuality and then later on it
[2:02:32] comes something toxic uh but people are
[2:02:34] seeing you as very spiritual and very
[2:02:36] Advanced but nonetheless you say these
[2:02:39] things we're dealing with and of course
[2:02:41] one of the ways around that that
[2:02:43] spiritual trial is to never claim too
[2:02:48] much about our state of Spiritual
[2:02:50] Development and people come to to us and
[2:02:52] say oh you're so fantastic and all on
[2:02:54] the one hand I think that we should
[2:02:57] allow ourselves to feel the kindness and
[2:03:01] warmth coming from the people expressing
[2:03:03] it to us because it is a type of a
[2:03:06] kindness to to express it to us and to
[2:03:09] make us conscious that we did have an
[2:03:10] impact on someone that helped them on
[2:03:12] their Journey that's very very helpful
[2:03:15] but again we can't take it in such a way
[2:03:17] as I'm more than or I'm more advanced or
[2:03:21] something of that kind that will always
[2:03:24] become
[2:03:25] toxic so it's just like sometimes we get
[2:03:28] into a state in our development where we
[2:03:30] want to be the ones doing nice things
[2:03:32] for other people all the time but if
[2:03:33] they offer to do a nice thing for us
[2:03:35] sometimes like oh no no I can't accept
[2:03:37] that we have to accept other people
[2:03:38] doing nice things for us the same way as
[2:03:39] we want to do nice things for other
[2:03:41] people because that's how everything
[2:03:42] flows so we need to accept their
[2:03:44] compliments and their kindness and
[2:03:46] reflect back to them what we see
[2:03:48] authentically with them as well that we
[2:03:50] we appreciate
[2:03:52] but there is the side of this
[2:03:55] that in not doing the premature
[2:04:01] purification uh and not pretending that
[2:04:04] we're more advanced than we are that
[2:04:06] that directly relates to what you were
[2:04:08] describing with the luciferic
[2:04:12] inflation so if I'm giving a talk and I
[2:04:15] don't want to get into having to
[2:04:16] describe Lucifer and araman and those
[2:04:18] things I just refer to it as ego
[2:04:20] inflation but it's always
[2:04:22] always
[2:04:24] a Temptation on the path and this is
[2:04:27] true both in spiritual Evolution as well
[2:04:31] as in any other body of work in the
[2:04:33] world doesn't matter if you're a
[2:04:34] musician or you're an artist or you're
[2:04:38] an architect or whatever there's always
[2:04:40] the ego inflation challenge that will
[2:04:42] come in but on the spiritual path it's
[2:04:44] particularly deadly if you start
[2:04:47] thinking you know I'm I'm the guru now
[2:04:50] type of thing first thing people need to
[2:04:52] realize is that the whole thing of
[2:04:55] coming forward as a spiritual teacher or
[2:04:57] a guru or in the sense of rosac Chuan
[2:05:00] tradition it's really just like a
[2:05:02] brother or sister on the path and I'm
[2:05:04] sharing with you what I found and
[2:05:05] hopefully it's useful but it's not
[2:05:08] positioning oneself at a at a high level
[2:05:10] or above
[2:05:12] others but there's always the the
[2:05:16] challenge when we
[2:05:18] are uh doing this work to think that
[2:05:23] we're more evolved than we are that our
[2:05:26] work is tremendously Advanced and we
[2:05:30] accept that appreciation and Kudos from
[2:05:34] other people in such a way that it works
[2:05:37] on their naive expectation that we
[2:05:39] described before that if you have some
[2:05:43] development in some area you're
[2:05:44] developed in all areas no you're not
[2:05:47] developed in any area other than the one
[2:05:48] that's being focused on you may be a
[2:05:50] good speaker you may be a good architect
[2:05:51] whatever it is is but that doesn't mean
[2:05:54] that you've worked through your
[2:05:55] emotional sexual whatever other stuff
[2:05:57] that keeps tripping people up so when we
[2:06:01] deal with these initiation trials it is
[2:06:04] absolutely one of the first trials that
[2:06:05] we will
[2:06:06] encounter of once you start to get a
[2:06:09] little bit of spiritual understanding
[2:06:10] get a little bit of some spiritual sitas
[2:06:13] these kinds of things that
[2:06:16] we then present ourselves at a higher
[2:06:20] level and this has all types of
[2:06:23] manifestations we have to be careful
[2:06:25] about so on the one hand one can choose
[2:06:28] to change one's name to reflect their
[2:06:31] true spiritual nature and their their
[2:06:33] goal their
[2:06:35] destination but we have to be very
[2:06:37] careful that in that name that we choose
[2:06:39] we're not choosing something that
[2:06:41] represents us as a master of a very high
[2:06:45] level when in fact we're still dealing
[2:06:47] with some real core human stuff in this
[2:06:50] lifetime that we're trying to get right
[2:06:52] so you know taking on certain titles
[2:06:55] changing of the name to certain things
[2:06:57] if we're not careful about it it can be
[2:06:59] a claim to Authority and when you make
[2:07:01] too many claims to Authority you leave
[2:07:03] people unfree you got to leave them free
[2:07:06] the whole thing the rosar crucian
[2:07:08] tradition is that you know if you're
[2:07:11] born Joe lotnik you're just Joe lotnik
[2:07:14] and people can think that you're
[2:07:15] spiritually Advanced or not but you're
[2:07:16] not making any claims toward it so
[2:07:20] claims to Authority are one part of it a
[2:07:22] practical thing to be very very careful
[2:07:25] of uh I don't even make any claims like
[2:07:28] for myself that I like like I don't
[2:07:31] claim that I speak for the rosac crucian
[2:07:33] tradition or like I'm any great rosac
[2:07:35] crucian initiate I'm a person on the
[2:07:38] path and I found some things that other
[2:07:40] people reflect to me are useful uh but
[2:07:42] other than that I know all the parts of
[2:07:45] me that aren't developed yet and that
[2:07:46] I'm still doing all kinds of wacky stuff
[2:07:49] all the time so that I can develop on my
[2:07:51] own pathway
[2:07:52] forward so that that's a part of it
[2:07:55] another part of it is that if we start
[2:07:56] making those improper claims to
[2:07:58] Authority we're representing ourselves
[2:08:00] as more advanced than we are again
[2:08:03] taking advantage of people's naive
[2:08:06] expectations then this will not only
[2:08:09] hinder our own development it will
[2:08:11] change the Spiritual Beings that we're
[2:08:13] connecting with because Spiritual Beings
[2:08:16] never give their Authority or their
[2:08:19] gifts to someone on a permanent basis
[2:08:22] it's often misrepresented it's
[2:08:23] absolutely a falsehood when in any
[2:08:25] spiritual thing they say oh this church
[2:08:28] or this tradition is the lineage holder
[2:08:32] of this thing and that's permanent no as
[2:08:35] soon as someone who is guiding that
[2:08:38] particular lineage or tradition becomes
[2:08:41] corrupt the beings will leave they're
[2:08:43] not going to stay when it becomes
[2:08:44] corrupt I think this is even true in
[2:08:47] some of the the Christian Traditions
[2:08:48] that claim like oh we're The Heirs of
[2:08:50] blah blah blah well hey hey you lost
[2:08:52] those connections a thousand years ago
[2:08:54] through the terrible manipulations that
[2:08:57] you did in the world so any spiritual
[2:09:00] tradition any spiritual person can lose
[2:09:03] the spiritual connections that they had
[2:09:06] because behind our work is always the
[2:09:08] inspiration and the support of Spiritual
[2:09:11] Beings and based on our own levels of
[2:09:14] integrity and how clean our work is
[2:09:17] that's going to affect what beings
[2:09:18] connect to us once we start getting more
[2:09:20] manipulative Etc
[2:09:22] and believing our own ego inflation
[2:09:25] we'll get different beings coming in and
[2:09:27] you can actually When You observe
[2:09:30] certain people who were very well-known
[2:09:32] spiritual teachers in the west uh then
[2:09:35] their early work seemed really good look
[2:09:37] at them 15 years later and they're like
[2:09:39] a demon it's just like their stuff has
[2:09:42] become so corrupt their the whole energy
[2:09:45] in their field has become something very
[2:09:48] toxic so we have to be aware that it's
[2:09:51] all a of resonance what we're connecting
[2:09:54] to spiritually including the Spiritual
[2:09:55] Beings that are behind everyone will
[2:09:58] change as soon as we change that
[2:09:59] vibration it's never given permanently
[2:10:03] so I think that's another very important
[2:10:05] consideration as we're evaluating
[2:10:07] ourselves on that path we have to always
[2:10:09] stop take stock see where we've made
[2:10:12] mistakes because we always will make
[2:10:14] mistakes it's not like well I'm always
[2:10:16] perfect and I never make mistake with
[2:10:17] this being conscious of it helps to not
[2:10:20] make the mistake but it really helps
[2:10:22] with is noticing when you did make the
[2:10:24] mistake and starting to correct again I
[2:10:27] don't always see the line until I'm over
[2:10:28] it and then I got to come back to the
[2:10:30] middle
[2:10:31] way so these are considerations not just
[2:10:34] for people who are spiritual teachers or
[2:10:36] things of that kind but really for every
[2:10:38] human being one of the great gifts of
[2:10:42] the last couple of generations of human
[2:10:45] beings on the planet particularly in the
[2:10:47] west has been a movement toward
[2:10:50] authenticity that it's it's okay to
[2:10:52] represent what parts of oneself are
[2:10:54] broken it's okay to represent what parts
[2:10:57] of oneself are still moving forward and
[2:11:00] not having to claim some artificial form
[2:11:03] of perfection so I think that's actually
[2:11:06] a very very healthy movement again it's
[2:11:08] always a middle path so you don't want
[2:11:10] to go off the other direction to where
[2:11:12] you just like constantly ketching about
[2:11:15] all the problems you have in your life
[2:11:16] and that type of thing that's not
[2:11:17] helping anybody but to be authentic
[2:11:20] about where we actually are and to try
[2:11:23] to keep it as as clean as possible and
[2:11:26] not
[2:11:27] overclaim uh will not only make our work
[2:11:30] better but it will help to connect
[2:11:34] people to the beings they need to
[2:11:36] connect to because lot of times when
[2:11:38] people connect to us through the things
[2:11:40] that we're teaching or talking
[2:11:42] about I try to get myself out of it as
[2:11:45] much as possible the whole thing about
[2:11:46] the rosac crucian tradition from the
[2:11:48] beginning was that we're not connecting
[2:11:51] through an external Authority you're not
[2:11:53] connecting through an external
[2:11:55] institution there's no organization you
[2:11:57] have to join there are many so-called
[2:11:59] rosar crucian organizations in the world
[2:12:01] often set up on the lines of masonic
[2:12:04] lodges where they have different grades
[2:12:05] and initiations I have nothing to do
[2:12:08] with any of that I want to make really
[2:12:09] clear when I talk about
[2:12:10] Rosicrucianism my style of that is the
[2:12:13] original Rosicrucianism where every
[2:12:16] person is connecting through the column
[2:12:19] of spirit above the head directly to the
[2:12:20] spiritual world and to the Spiritual
[2:12:22] Beings of their team they're not going
[2:12:25] through any human being or any external
[2:12:28] institution there may be other Spiritual
[2:12:30] Beings helping with it but it's not
[2:12:32] based on going through someone else so
[2:12:35] it's very important to me that
[2:12:36] everything that I teach people doesn't
[2:12:38] make them dependent on me and that I
[2:12:41] teach them how to connect directly up in
[2:12:44] their own columns not through me or
[2:12:46] somebody else or some organization or
[2:12:48] institution now again there are some
[2:12:50] organizations in the world that's that
[2:12:52] do have spiritual integrity and if you
[2:12:55] choose to work in that and that helps
[2:12:56] you on the path it's absolutely fine I'm
[2:12:58] talking about my choice I want to be
[2:13:01] able to go through the prodigal Sun
[2:13:04] aspects that I need to go through and
[2:13:06] not claim that I'm not doing that I'm
[2:13:09] going to make mistakes and I'm going to
[2:13:10] explore all kinds of crazy stuff uh so
[2:13:13] don't connect through me you connect
[2:13:15] directly and that to me is the whole
[2:13:17] purpose of independent initiation on the
[2:13:19] rosac crusan path and so the more I can
[2:13:22] get people to understand that as one of
[2:13:24] their options then I feel like I've I've
[2:13:26] been helpful on that but lots of times
[2:13:29] when people connecting something I'm
[2:13:31] saying it's like that whole saying about
[2:13:35] when you see the finger pointing to
[2:13:36] Heaven don't focus on the finger focus
[2:13:38] on where they're pointing toward because
[2:13:40] sometimes when I'm talking about a topic
[2:13:42] this is true for other people teaching
[2:13:43] spiritual things there is an energy that
[2:13:46] comes through that's not me it's
[2:13:48] something of a higher level if I have
[2:13:50] any integrity that's coming through me
[2:13:51] at that time don't try to connect to
[2:13:53] that thing through me connect to it
[2:13:55] directly but learn through the energy
[2:13:57] present at that moment what the
[2:13:59] vibration of it is so you can resonate
[2:14:01] with and entrain to it and then connect
[2:14:03] to it directly up the column yeah
[2:14:06] ultimately I find like a lot of
[2:14:08] gratitude for when you do kind of steer
[2:14:11] too far from the line you become aware
[2:14:12] of it of course it's painful to see how
[2:14:14] much you're out of balance in a certain
[2:14:15] aspect or you know it's all relative
[2:14:17] some people are what maybe I or somebody
[2:14:19] might perceive as way out of balance is
[2:14:21] like relatively subtle comparatively
[2:14:23] exactly but
[2:14:25] ultimately grateful for that experience
[2:14:27] because then it it allows us to come
[2:14:29] back to breathe in that humility to come
[2:14:31] back into the balance you kind of spoke
[2:14:33] to a little bit earlier about like our
[2:14:35] spiritual goal in a way I I would just
[2:14:37] love for you to share like the path of
[2:14:40] and the purpose of these energies um
[2:14:43] weaving giving us different contrast of
[2:14:45] experience coming back into the finding
[2:14:47] the middle way and like where we're
[2:14:48] going to on an individual level before
[2:14:51] we start to close and talk about the
[2:14:52] collective I would love for you to share
[2:14:54] like what are we aiming towards what
[2:14:56] what is our Evolution path going to as
[2:14:57] an individual spiritual being in this
[2:14:59] physical
[2:15:00] body so again my perception is that when
[2:15:03] we take the draft of forgetfulness as we
[2:15:05] started out in the beginning talking
[2:15:07] about we take the path of forgetfulness
[2:15:09] and in the beginning was the memory we
[2:15:11] have to remember who am I now that
[2:15:14] includes things on what is considered to
[2:15:17] be the older rosac Cru and path of
[2:15:19] initiation where there's certain stages
[2:15:20] or steps and there's one that's called
[2:15:23] reading the name inscribed on the stone
[2:15:25] it's connected to remembering the past
[2:15:28] incarnations now this is very prone to
[2:15:31] Fantasy and so one of the rules that I
[2:15:34] follow that is also follow in Ros chrish
[2:15:36] tradition is I never talk publically
[2:15:37] about any past incarnations because that
[2:15:40] could become a claim to Authority if
[2:15:42] there's a past Incarnation that's known
[2:15:43] to history and you say oh I'm The
[2:15:44] Reincarnation of so and so I've never
[2:15:46] seen that go well that that almost
[2:15:49] always becomes toxic so we don't talk
[2:15:52] about that publicly but it's something
[2:15:54] that we know for ourselves and just as
[2:15:56] something that people can be aware of if
[2:15:58] you're like because I meet a lot of
[2:16:00] people who claim to be the Incarnation
[2:16:02] of the exact same previous spiritual
[2:16:04] master I won't name any names but they
[2:16:06] like all say oh I'm The Reincarnation of
[2:16:08] so- and so I said well I've met 20 other
[2:16:09] reincarnations of that and I don't know
[2:16:12] maybe so but yeah like TH or Mary
[2:16:14] Magdalene or it's always somebody very
[2:16:16] important oh my God you hear so many of
[2:16:17] those it's so frequent uh and there's
[2:16:20] certain things they could have had as a
[2:16:22] spiritual experience connected to that
[2:16:24] Force but doesn't necessarily mean that
[2:16:25] they're The Reincarnation of that entity
[2:16:27] that becomes a technical topic yeah I
[2:16:28] could imagine how it's a very subtle
[2:16:30] discernment process of seeing what
[2:16:32] you're authentically connecting to
[2:16:34] versus what that luciferic conflation is
[2:16:36] trying to convince you to build more
[2:16:37] superiority and all that absolutely so
[2:16:40] one thing that we'll find is that you
[2:16:41] actually have authentic memories of that
[2:16:44] thing it's not just look at what a
[2:16:46] fantastic spiritual initiate I am and
[2:16:47] what an amazing thing this is those
[2:16:50] lives were not easy if one was one of
[2:16:52] the Disciples of Christ you don't
[2:16:54] remember like how awesome everything was
[2:16:57] it was tough you didn't have enough to
[2:16:58] eat it was hot everything was massively
[2:17:01] uncomfortable you were in danger all the
[2:17:03] time you didn't know if you were going
[2:17:04] to get crucified it it's a it was a
[2:17:07] tough life and so you don't just
[2:17:09] remember like this type of ego
[2:17:12] inflation sensationalistic thing it's
[2:17:16] like the School of Hard Knocks that they
[2:17:18] didn't have an easy time that was tough
[2:17:20] stuff so if you're only remembering the
[2:17:22] good things and nothing about the
[2:17:24] difficulties of it then that's already
[2:17:26] an indication it's probably a fantasy
[2:17:28] projection but the reason we need to
[2:17:30] remember who am I which includes the
[2:17:32] past incarnations is the current
[2:17:34] Incarnation is always the latest bead on
[2:17:37] the chain with a particular
[2:17:40] trajectory now there's a a
[2:17:44] term that relates to our ultimate
[2:17:48] spiritual destination it it's from the
[2:17:51] the Greek theological destination so we
[2:17:54] have a
[2:17:56] [Music]
[2:17:58] teologicos to become because
[2:18:00] collectively every human being is part
[2:18:03] of the the human race the spirits of
[2:18:06] love and freedom we're all part of that
[2:18:08] it's a great thing to put on your
[2:18:09] business card by the way Dr Robert
[2:18:12] Gilder gilber Spirit of love and
[2:18:17] freedom and so we all started as like
[2:18:19] that group and separate out but it's the
[2:18:23] same idea this is my favorite metaphor
[2:18:25] for it
[2:18:27] that all snowflakes are crystallized
[2:18:30] water so they're all water but they each
[2:18:33] have a unique geometry that will not be
[2:18:36] repeated so every human being is
[2:18:38] crystallized Spirit but we will each
[2:18:41] have a crystallization that is unique to
[2:18:43] us and if we fall out of the process of
[2:18:45] human evolution the gift of that
[2:18:48] crystallized form will never
[2:18:51] be made to the whole never be made to
[2:18:54] the universe so we have the potential
[2:18:58] and the opportunity and to some degree
[2:19:01] the obligation to manifest our
[2:19:03] theological destination as quickly as
[2:19:05] possible you know that's what the
[2:19:07] Buddhists talk about you can take the
[2:19:08] School of Hard Knox and you'll get there
[2:19:09] eventually but there's a lot of
[2:19:11] unnecessary suffering but if you choose
[2:19:15] the skillful way rather than the
[2:19:16] unskillful way you can get there more
[2:19:18] quickly you can suffer less and you can
[2:19:20] help other people to suffer suffer less
[2:19:22] cause less suffering to people through
[2:19:24] whatever crazy stuff you're doing so
[2:19:27] that theological destination we need to
[2:19:29] be conscious of it we need to feel
[2:19:30] pulled toward it sometimes we don't know
[2:19:33] clearly why we're doing something but we
[2:19:34] can feel in our will forces that there's
[2:19:37] something I need to do now to get there
[2:19:39] that's uh something that if you haven't
[2:19:42] Advanced your cognitive capacities in
[2:19:45] the upper dantean and the centers above
[2:19:47] the head enough when the spiritual
[2:19:49] impulses come toward you from higher
[2:19:52] beings they will have to go to the will
[2:19:55] impulses and you'll get a feeling like I
[2:19:57] need to go here I need to do this
[2:19:58] somebody says well why did you do it say
[2:19:59] I don't know I just knew I had to
[2:20:01] because you don't have enough structure
[2:20:04] here yet for it to be completely seen so
[2:20:07] we're pulled toward the theological
[2:20:09] destination and we need to become that
[2:20:11] unique being in the universe because
[2:20:13] everything we're doing right now is a
[2:20:14] spirit of love and freedom is that we're
[2:20:16] going to develop this whole field of
[2:20:18] citas and powers that then as an
[2:20:21] independent spiritual being we'll be
[2:20:23] able to choose our pathway in the world
[2:20:26] we'll be a free agent in the universe
[2:20:29] with our particular crystallization of
[2:20:31] these powers that to some degree is
[2:20:33] unique where we'll be able to help other
[2:20:36] beings and systems and all kinds of
[2:20:37] things we can barely dream of at the
[2:20:39] moment when we reach that stage so
[2:20:41] that's my view of why it's so important
[2:20:43] to be clear on who we are why we're here
[2:20:46] what we chose to do in this Incarnation
[2:20:48] I will often tell people the disaster of
[2:20:51] the the current moment is the majority
[2:20:52] of people are not fulfilling their
[2:20:53] karmic contract they're not doing what
[2:20:55] they chose to do themselves before they
[2:20:57] incarnate because Earthly Incarnation is
[2:20:59] too confusing and too difficult for them
[2:21:01] to stay on track it's very important
[2:21:03] they do what they came here to do in
[2:21:06] this Incarnation and there's always the
[2:21:08] side of working on yourself and moving
[2:21:10] toward your teleological destination and
[2:21:13] the part of what you're offering in
[2:21:14] service to the whole those two always
[2:21:17] have to go hand in hand as we move ahead
[2:21:20] so powerful outside of the fact that you
[2:21:22] called everybody listening a snowflake I
[2:21:24] think
[2:21:26] that we're finding our own geometric
[2:21:29] pattern in the form of a snowflake but
[2:21:31] no it's like finding that unique
[2:21:32] individuation of how God is expressing
[2:21:34] itself through us is really beautiful
[2:21:37] and like that's a process of
[2:21:38] self-creation as much as it is I guess
[2:21:40] Discovery um and is something that we'll
[2:21:42] have to sidebar probably for the next
[2:21:43] time we talk because I'm excited to yeah
[2:21:45] it's a great top back um just in
[2:21:49] closing you have been able to study like
[2:21:52] a various different wisdom Traditions
[2:21:54] you know from rosicrucian to you know we
[2:21:58] talked about yoga philosophy and
[2:21:59] understanding of the kuga to the Mayan
[2:22:01] calendar all referring to the greater
[2:22:04] cycles that we're currently operating
[2:22:06] within right now and the seasons and
[2:22:08] cycles of Life what do you see as the
[2:22:10] consilience between all these different
[2:22:13] wisdom Traditions about what they say is
[2:22:15] happening right now within humanity and
[2:22:18] the cycle we're
[2:22:19] on this is is very much a time
[2:22:24] of being able to break the old patterns
[2:22:28] just like with the concept of and of
[2:22:29] caluga we're able to break some of the
[2:22:31] old patterns and regain some of our old
[2:22:34] skills at a higher level like the new
[2:22:36] Clairvoyance is different than the old
[2:22:38] Clairvoyance the new Clairvoyance is one
[2:22:41] that is actually
[2:22:43] alchemically combined with our logical
[2:22:45] linear thinking so it can be directed
[2:22:48] consciously to Targets in a way that
[2:22:51] before we were just kind of a passive
[2:22:53] receiver of all kinds of wild
[2:22:55] information from the spiritual world so
[2:22:58] it's a it's a new form of Clairvoyance
[2:23:00] and the same thing with our uh new
[2:23:03] vibrational Temple science that's
[2:23:05] generating it's going to have a new
[2:23:08] flavor and new capabilities and that's
[2:23:11] why you know along with the spiritual
[2:23:13] science we teach the vibrational science
[2:23:15] with Egyptian biogeometry things like
[2:23:16] that these are very important Egyptian
[2:23:17] biogeometry is dedicated to creating the
[2:23:19] new golden age
[2:23:21] and so the concept of the new golden age
[2:23:23] I think really comes into play here I'm
[2:23:26] not sure that it's inevitable that the
[2:23:28] golden age will fully form because
[2:23:31] there's enough Free Will involved with
[2:23:33] our whole development we can never
[2:23:34] become spirits of love and freedom
[2:23:37] without Free Will which means the
[2:23:38] opportunity to not accomplish the goal
[2:23:41] we need to take that seriously and we've
[2:23:44] seen it time and time again in human
[2:23:45] history in the last 100 years the world
[2:23:46] wars things like this horrific events
[2:23:50] that came from the terror of the
[2:23:52] situation people who did not wake up who
[2:23:54] did not bother to do the practices to be
[2:23:57] self-aware and followed these
[2:23:59] destructive forces that killed millions
[2:24:01] of people and led to massive suffering
[2:24:04] this will keep repeating until people
[2:24:07] wake up I mean this is uh it reminds me
[2:24:11] of one story with ger gief where someone
[2:24:15] uh came to him and they were asking uh
[2:24:18] about uh well think you can like uh see
[2:24:22] the future and like you have this
[2:24:24] Clairvoyant and you can do all these
[2:24:25] things well can you tell me what my
[2:24:27] future is and G says yes absolutely your
[2:24:30] future will be exactly like your past
[2:24:32] until you wake up and I thought that was
[2:24:35] the best possible response uh so we
[2:24:38] really do have the opportunity Now to
[2:24:41] create a new golden age I mean if once
[2:24:44] we regain our memory of past
[2:24:47] incarnations this is an amazing
[2:24:49] Incarnation people can live just at a
[2:24:51] basic level of income people can live
[2:24:53] today in a way that Kings couldn't live
[2:24:56] a few thousand years ago good God our
[2:24:59] our situation is amazing the ability to
[2:25:01] travel the incredible release as part of
[2:25:04] the end of the caluga of previously very
[2:25:06] hidden information from so many
[2:25:08] Traditions again as we said before it's
[2:25:10] fragmented but we have the opportunity
[2:25:11] to work with it so one thing that I
[2:25:13] always do my best to encourage people to
[2:25:15] is you need to wake up and realize this
[2:25:18] is a limited time opportunity if I I was
[2:25:20] going to make a T-shirt and wear it all
[2:25:22] the time it' be like life is a limited
[2:25:23] time opportunity this will be over soon
[2:25:25] it'll be over before you know it and if
[2:25:27] you haven't done the work taking
[2:25:28] advantage of the incredible
[2:25:29] opportunities we have right now for your
[2:25:32] own spiritual Evolution and then what
[2:25:35] you're doing in service to the world
[2:25:38] that is also connected to one of the
[2:25:39] other rosar crucian maxims which is that
[2:25:41] all of the powers the SAS that you gain
[2:25:44] on the spiritual path will be put toward
[2:25:46] the benefit of other beings through the
[2:25:48] service of other beings so even working
[2:25:51] on ourselves we get closer to our
[2:25:53] theological destination we can be of
[2:25:54] more Service as we go forward but this
[2:25:57] is a time of tremendous opportunity but
[2:26:00] like the Chinese say with the the term
[2:26:03] crisis you know a crisis is a dangerous
[2:26:06] opportunity and that's what we have
[2:26:08] right now and it's not I don't believe
[2:26:10] predetermined it's all going to work out
[2:26:12] perfectly but that's part of the
[2:26:14] excitement of it because how good would
[2:26:16] a movie be that you're going to see
[2:26:17] that's a thriller if you knew in the
[2:26:19] beginning that everything would turn out
[2:26:21] fine at the end we don't know that and
[2:26:23] it's not going to turn out fine unless
[2:26:24] we all wake up and remember who am I why
[2:26:28] am I here and what is my task for this
[2:26:32] Incarnation so beautiful in closing is
[2:26:35] there anything else that you want to
[2:26:36] share that's on your heart in terms of
[2:26:38] people that are listening that want to
[2:26:40] make the most out of the potential that
[2:26:42] is the gift of life that has been given
[2:26:44] to us in the active pursuit of the
[2:26:46] golden age in the uh uncovering our of
[2:26:48] our own individuation just any other
[2:26:50] last thoughts um that you want to share
[2:26:52] before we close out it's really always a
[2:26:55] matter of starting the work now starting
[2:26:58] the methods the whole idea of the
[2:27:02] observation and direction of your
[2:27:04] thinking feeling and willing if you
[2:27:07] understand nothing but that and you
[2:27:08] absolutely do it you will advance very
[2:27:10] very quickly with just that but if you
[2:27:13] live an unobserved life and you don't
[2:27:16] have the mindfulness you're not going to
[2:27:19] get rid of all these detrimental things
[2:27:21] that are holding back your development
[2:27:25] and I can assure you that when you pass
[2:27:27] through the gate of death before you
[2:27:29] expect to and on the other side you look
[2:27:31] back you will regret not having taken
[2:27:34] advantage of the time right now you had
[2:27:37] so much that you could have done but you
[2:27:38] fited the time away that's something
[2:27:41] that we need to take super seriously
[2:27:43] that it's never too late to wake up and
[2:27:45] start now wherever you are on the
[2:27:48] path thank you so much
[2:27:51] yeah this is just like my favorite thing
[2:27:53] most fun thing that I could be doing
[2:27:55] with my time is just like diving these
[2:27:56] down these deep rabbit holes and uh
[2:27:59] you're such an incredible scholar and uh
[2:28:02] synthesizer and an articulator and
[2:28:03] teacher of all these uh Concepts and um
[2:28:07] so just thank you so much for the work
[2:28:09] that you're doing I know it's been
[2:28:10] decades and decades years and years of
[2:28:13] uh synthesizing a lot of this
[2:28:14] information down and so um yeah as we
[2:28:16] close just any other ways people can
[2:28:18] connect connect with you the work that
[2:28:19] you're doing uh yeah well thank you um
[2:28:23] basically it's always a matter of
[2:28:25] connecting to our website ves.org which
[2:28:28] is vasen victores i.org
[2:28:32] and that will have the listing of our
[2:28:35] online courses it will have the any
[2:28:38] upcoming Live Events I haven't done any
[2:28:40] live events for four years since the
[2:28:42] beginning of covid and this year I'm
[2:28:44] going to start doing Live Events again
[2:28:47] uh and also some of the other
[2:28:48] initiatives that we're a part of because
[2:28:50] things are moving very quickly now and
[2:28:52] getting this information out so we do
[2:28:55] encourage people to check out the
[2:28:56] website and sign up for the notices that
[2:28:59] we send out about the latest events and
[2:29:01] activities so thank you very much
[2:29:03] amazing thank you so much and for
[2:29:05] everybody tuning in please let us know
[2:29:07] what
[2:29:08] uniquely um was insightful for you and
[2:29:10] what you want to carry out in your life
[2:29:12] I'm just always fascinated by how these
[2:29:14] conversations become fractals in the
[2:29:16] world and uh become a ripple effect and
[2:29:19] how somebody changes you know their life
[2:29:21] path and how they choose to serve in the
[2:29:23] world so again Robert thank you so much
[2:29:25] for coming on so much back in the future
[2:29:27] yeah and for everybody tuning in thanks
[2:29:29] for coming on this journey until next
[2:29:31] time good
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