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[0:10] Well, greetings everyone and welcome to
[0:12] a truly special and fascinating online
[0:15] event today. It's called Discover
[0:16] Shamanic Fenue. Reveal where energy is
[0:19] stuck and create greater flow in your
[0:21] space and life through seven stages of
[0:23] alchemy. My name is Steven Dyn. I'm the
[0:26] founder and president of the Shift
[0:27] Network and I love to discover new
[0:30] perspectives, deeper perspectives on how
[0:32] we can live a sacred life in alignment
[0:35] with the larger currents of energy and
[0:37] potential that we have access to. We're
[0:40] going to get to explore a very unique
[0:42] perspective on Fenuee and this ancient
[0:45] art and how it can apply in your life
[0:47] today with a remarkable teacher. Her
[0:49] name is Deina McCale. She's a uh fenue
[0:53] master, shamanic teacher, co-founder of
[0:55] nw.co
[0:57] as well as a Hay House author and we are
[1:00] very excited that Deavine is going to
[1:01] take us on this journey into the
[1:02] shamanic fin. We're going to get a very
[1:04] practical application today. And if you
[1:07] want to go further and really work with
[1:09] the energy, symbolism, and spirit of
[1:11] your space, we have a brand new program
[1:12] with her coming up all on shimonic fenue
[1:15] you'll hear about later in the hour. So
[1:17] with that said, Deina, thanks so much
[1:18] for joining today. I'm absolutely
[1:20] delighted to be here, Stephen. Thank you
[1:22] for inviting me. In fact, I'm very
[1:23] excited to share this with you. Yeah, I
[1:26] just know the power of it. That's why.
[1:28] >> Yeah. Well, one of the things I always
[1:30] find um that excites me personally is
[1:32] that when you get cross-pollination
[1:33] between different lineages. So, when you
[1:34] I see the term shamanic funue, I just
[1:37] kind of light up like, oh, that's going
[1:38] to be some inter an interesting marriage
[1:41] of two different kind of lineages and
[1:43] perspectives. And so I want to first
[1:45] just ask a little bit about your journey
[1:47] into uh fenue and then also this kind of
[1:50] more unique shamanic fenue angle that
[1:52] we're going to be talking about today.
[1:55] >> Yes. Well, I have to admit neither funue
[1:58] or shamanism was on the uh career
[2:01] curriculum when I was at school. So it
[2:03] definitely had to find me in life. I
[2:05] wasn't going to I wouldn't have known
[2:07] what to look for if I was going out to
[2:09] find it. So I had quite I mean I grew up
[2:12] in a psycho geriatric old people's home
[2:14] run by my grandparents
[2:17] and that's quite an interesting um
[2:19] childhood for any child and I I saw
[2:23] people at the end of their lives in a
[2:25] very distressed state at a very young
[2:27] age before I really understood what that
[2:29] was and I'm mentioning that because that
[2:31] question of there has to be a better way
[2:33] to die than this and there has to be a
[2:35] better way to live if this is it you
[2:38] know and I saw that at the beginning of
[2:40] life already the end. That kind of
[2:42] question has really informed my journey
[2:44] but because as I said there I grew up in
[2:47] a very conventional life that did not
[2:49] have those terms for alternative health
[2:52] things in those those times and it
[2:55] wasn't really till my Saturn returned 28
[2:57] years old that um so I you know I
[2:59] trained as a nurse I did a degree I
[3:01] worked in a PR company ran a radio
[3:03] station all these very sort of normal
[3:05] kind of normal jobs and then in my
[3:08] Saturn return I went on this adventure
[3:10] with a friend and we traveled for seven
[3:14] months in all sorts of places around the
[3:16] world and I actually ended up
[3:17] hitchhiking to Tibet along the highest
[3:19] road in the world from
[3:21] >> That's bold.
[3:22] >> Yeah, it was very bold. Um in 199 before
[3:25] mobile phones so really nobody knew
[3:27] where we were and as an ex- nurse I was
[3:30] quite paranoid about like right if we
[3:32] get altitude sickness we got to go down
[3:34] and of course there was no real down.
[3:36] And it was this very slow, long incline
[3:39] with just the odd yak here and there.
[3:41] And I got horrendous altitude sickness.
[3:44] I mean, the worst I've ever had to the
[3:46] point where I really was out of body
[3:48] experience, hallucinating. Didn't know
[3:50] if I would survive that or anything. And
[3:52] of course, from a shamanic perspective,
[3:54] that whole near-death experience is one
[3:56] of those unlooked for initiation paths.
[4:00] And so that really was the beginning of
[4:03] the shift.
[4:04] things just started to happen
[4:06] differently in my life after that. I
[4:08] understood my life differently and the
[4:10] sort of spirit perspective and that kind
[4:12] of coincided when I got back to the UK.
[4:14] I was back in the telecoms industry and
[4:17] I actually set up a telecoms company in
[4:19] Hong Kong and that's where I first got
[4:21] introduced to Funue because we'd had we
[4:24] were in partnership with a Chinese
[4:25] company and they sent a fune master in
[4:28] because business wasn't that great and
[4:29] it really shifted something and I was
[4:31] like wow that's really interesting. I
[4:33] want to know more about that. But of
[4:35] course, no fune master wants to teach
[4:37] some white blonde young girl how their,
[4:40] you know, secrets of their ways in those
[4:42] days. Came back to the UK and I was
[4:44] actually in a very miserable scenario a
[4:47] couple of years later working in a call
[4:49] center in Meanwood Road in Leeds. I had
[4:52] a panic button to the police station,
[4:54] looked out on tarmac, barbed wire
[4:56] fences. Nobody really wanted me there
[4:58] because I'd been shipped in to take over
[5:00] from somebody else. It was miserable. Um
[5:03] really really like the worst fune and I
[5:06] can remember I don't even know what it
[5:08] was some magazine or something and I
[5:09] remember reading an article about fun. I
[5:12] was like, "Oh, that's interesting. I
[5:14] found that in ch, you know, maybe." And
[5:15] I followed it up and it actually led to
[5:18] the first school that was set up in the
[5:20] UK, um, funue school international
[5:24] and I ended up being one of their very
[5:26] first students and the rest as they say
[5:28] is history and it was actually through
[5:30] fun that funue training because there
[5:32] were no teachers. There was nobody to
[5:34] ship in or bring in. There was no kind
[5:36] of western lineage of this tradition. So
[5:39] we had to or the woman that set that
[5:41] school up really had to look all over
[5:42] the world to find people to fly in and
[5:45] train us and as a result it was a very
[5:47] eclectic training. So I actually met my
[5:50] first Peruvian fune teacher during my
[5:53] fune training during those years and
[5:56] then that led to a very long shamanic um
[5:59] journey. That first apprenticeship was
[6:01] five years. Then I've done various other
[6:04] long-term plant medicine
[6:06] apprenticeships. Um, I've worked off
[6:08] with the Kerro up in the high Andes and
[6:10] of course I've worked with Puma who I
[6:11] know is a f very popular factor.
[6:15] >> Yeah, I met his grand I mean I was I'm
[6:16] old enough to have actually worked with
[6:18] his grandfather way back when.
[6:20] >> Oh wow.
[6:20] >> I I actually know Papa Kai and
[6:22] Dondestario and all of you know those
[6:24] wisdom keepers and I've been taking
[6:26] pilgrims um to Peru with Puma and his
[6:29] family for the last 25 years. Ah, I love
[6:32] that.
[6:32] >> That's kind of so for me, yes, shamanic
[6:36] fune,
[6:37] they they're not two separate paths.
[6:41] They are two languages that converge
[6:43] from a different perspective into the
[6:45] same conversation. I think
[6:47] >> I love that. Well, I love all the
[6:48] lineages uh that influence you and uh
[6:51] and the overlap. So let's talk about a
[6:53] little bit the worldview of funue
[6:55] because I think it's so common in the
[6:57] west for people on a holistic path of
[6:59] healing development to really focus on
[7:00] our own energetic systems and largely
[7:03] neglect what's happening around us in
[7:05] terms of the environment and maybe share
[7:07] a little bit about how energetic fields
[7:10] work both kind of from the personal
[7:12] extending out into the environment and
[7:14] how that we can sort of work with that
[7:15] in a more um hot spread.
[7:17] It's an interesting one, isn't it?
[7:19] Because like for me, the body is the
[7:20] first temple. You know, we have to look
[7:22] after our physical body, but we're not
[7:24] terribly good at it always. And the
[7:26] thing that houses our body in there is
[7:28] our home. It's [snorts] like the next
[7:31] level of that physical temple. And so I
[7:35] see and I see because our home is also
[7:38] where we generally feel safe to express
[7:42] ourselves. It's where we can shut the
[7:44] door on the world and flop out or, you
[7:47] know, do what we do behind closed doors
[7:49] and nobody knows about it. So, it's
[7:50] actually where we truly express our
[7:52] unconscious, more intimate selves, but
[7:55] we don't always get that. And so, I have
[7:58] observed over the last 30 years how
[8:00] people's homes are an absolute direct
[8:03] mirror of their unconscious selves and
[8:05] they just don't see it. to the way we
[8:07] place our furniture, the objects, the
[8:09] symbolisms, the metaphors, how we choose
[8:11] to live, the flow around our homes,
[8:13] everything speaks volumes about who we
[8:15] are, how we relate to others, what we're
[8:18] working on, where we're stuck, and what
[8:20] we can transform. So, for me, it's it is
[8:23] a little bit like reverse therapy. So,
[8:26] we can work on the internal, but it can
[8:27] take years or we can actually learn the
[8:30] language of fune, and it is a language.
[8:32] And when you get to learn the precision
[8:35] of that language, we can really work
[8:37] with our home and see it in a new way,
[8:38] make changes on the external, which will
[8:40] still bring up those internal shifts,
[8:43] but it's often quicker and faster for
[8:44] the transformation. [clears throat]
[8:47] >> You know, as you're speaking, I was
[8:48] thinking a little bit about some of the
[8:49] Peruvian shamanic traditions and how
[8:52] important the messa can be for like sort
[8:55] of like almost like the microcosm for
[8:56] the macrocosm. So, if you want to shift
[8:58] something out of life, you shift it on
[8:59] your altar first. And and so it's kind
[9:02] of like turning your home into a giant
[9:04] altar. Really?
[9:05] >> It is. And actually, I think in historic
[9:08] terms, I think the first temple um
[9:11] historically was about 12t by 15t. So
[9:14] the size of somebody's home, a room. And
[9:17] it is for me it's about turning your
[9:19] home into a sacred space. Because when
[9:22] you create a sacred space that you live
[9:24] in, your whole life starts to become
[9:26] sacred. You take better care of
[9:28] yourself. you take better care of your
[9:30] loved ones. Everything has an ongoing
[9:32] knock-on effect and benefit from this
[9:34] alchemical process of working with home.
[9:37] So, it's exactly like the mesa, the
[9:39] external messa is a reflection of your
[9:41] internal self. So is your home. And it's
[9:43] interesting, isn't it? Because Maslov's
[9:44] hierarchy of needs. Home is right down
[9:47] the bottom. You know, it's like under
[9:49] security and safety, it's like this is
[9:51] just the base level, right? And then
[9:53] everything else we're aspiring to above
[9:55] that. But if we actually look after that
[9:57] base level and set that strong
[9:59] foundation, it actually brings in a much
[10:03] more powerful um foundational force for
[10:07] your life to really get those shifts and
[10:09] changes.
[10:10] >> So I want to ask you a question that
[10:11] sort of bridges a little bit between the
[10:13] shamanic and the funue. So so what I
[10:15] understand of a lot of fun, you're just
[10:16] optimizing the energy. So you're sort of
[10:18] like for benefit, for success, for
[10:21] thriving, all that. And a lot of the
[10:22] shamanic perspective there's qualities
[10:24] of death and rebirth of having to go
[10:26] through deep initiatory processes to
[10:28] sort of actualize shed layers of oursel.
[10:31] Do do you sort of integrate pieces of
[10:33] that kind of more of the shamanic in
[10:36] initiatory energy into the home then?
[10:39] >> So what how I see it? So funue has a
[10:42] language. It kind of brings if you like
[10:43] a little bit like the science. It brings
[10:45] the maps and the precision and sometimes
[10:48] the calculations and the language of it.
[10:50] But what the shamanic element does is
[10:53] it's much older. It's much deeper. And I
[10:55] believe the foundations of fune were
[10:57] equally shamanic. We might call it
[10:59] funue, but really there is a shamanic
[11:01] basis to it ultimately. So the shamanic
[11:04] aspect is that land there's a spirit of
[11:07] place. Every land has a diva, a a a
[11:11] living energy that we embody. We may
[11:14] build our four walls and containers on
[11:16] top of it, but the land underneath your
[11:18] home, even if it's a new build, has a
[11:20] much deeper energy. What's your
[11:22] relationship with that? What's your
[11:23] relationship with the form of the
[11:25] landscape and the architecture from
[11:27] which you live inside? All of these
[11:29] inform this conversation. So, it's like
[11:32] they they interweave with one another
[11:34] and one gives rise to the other and the
[11:37] other gives rise to the other. So, they
[11:38] are very interweaved. So I think what I
[11:41] would say the fundamental difference is
[11:43] that funue gives this precise languaging
[11:46] to our metaphors, our archetypes. It
[11:49] allows us to see ourselves through the
[11:51] eyes of our home where the fune teaches
[11:54] us how to create your home as a living
[11:57] ally that it's not a pile of inanimate
[11:59] bricks and mortar which I really do not
[12:01] think of my home. We we a lot of us do
[12:03] think like that but it's a living
[12:05] breathing entity and when we are in
[12:07] right relationship with it then things
[12:10] really can transform in our lives in a
[12:11] very positive way and yes it's working
[12:14] with theqi and funue is all about the
[12:17] chi flow and there are two types in
[12:19] terms of funue there's the shen chi
[12:21] which is the beneficial free flowing
[12:23] healthy chi that we wish to encourage
[12:25] and cultivate and then there's the shi
[12:28] which is that more negative chi that
[12:30] gets stuck and stag stagnant and causes
[12:32] us issues and arguments and problems in
[12:35] life. And so we're working with those,
[12:36] but they can be done through placement,
[12:38] through color, through form, but they
[12:40] can also be done through relationship
[12:42] with the land energies like, you know,
[12:44] what are the plants growing in your
[12:45] garden? Where are your guardian spirits
[12:47] living? Have you ever spoken to your
[12:49] land, said hello, you know, said hello
[12:52] to your home even? I mean, I do actually
[12:54] speak to my home every single day, you
[12:56] know, just how you doing? Hello, how are
[12:59] you? And it's really building because
[13:01] then as I say rather than just something
[13:03] where we come home, dump our stuff, you
[13:06] know, and leave the house again in the
[13:08] next morning, it becomes a responsive
[13:10] field that really starts to nurture and
[13:13] feed us and inform us about things. And
[13:15] so we get a deep vitality from being in
[13:18] relationship with both the land energies
[13:20] and the form within our space.
[13:23] >> I love that. So you're really providing
[13:24] the widest context of the land, the
[13:26] lineage, and then how does that sculpt
[13:29] the sort of the more of the living
[13:31] intelligence of the the house as as a as
[13:34] a support
[13:35] >> for us? And also, you know, it sounds
[13:37] like really there is a kind of
[13:38] intelligent presence that that you can
[13:41] connect with very much like shamanic
[13:43] traditions.
[13:45] >> So um so when you start a diagnosis of
[13:48] of a particular space or where do where
[13:50] do you start then? you start from that
[13:52] widest context and then kind of work
[13:53] inwards or from the person out.
[13:56] >> So, we need to look when we're starting
[13:57] with a diagnosis for a client, it's
[13:59] really important that we look at what
[14:01] they bought into. So, they've bought a
[14:03] new home because history repeats. So, we
[14:06] have these blueprints and we all have an
[14:08] innate understanding of this. We know it
[14:10] even though we might not have a language
[14:11] for it. So, for example, I notice or you
[14:14] may notice that um a shop or a business
[14:17] in your street constantly seems to go
[14:19] bankrupt. It doesn't matter what
[14:21] business goes in there. It could be a
[14:22] toy shop, a sweet shop, a car showroom,
[14:24] and then six months later it seems to
[14:26] have gone bust again because it holds a
[14:29] blueprint of bankruptcy. And until that
[14:31] has changed and shifted and we can work
[14:34] with that, then that will continue to be
[14:36] its history. So for example, it's the
[14:38] Chinese in funue terms we call it
[14:40] predecessory. So what's the predecessor
[14:42] you've bought into? Did you buy your
[14:45] home from someone that has gone bankrupt
[14:47] or got divorced or died in that home?
[14:50] These are all things that can be solved,
[14:52] but it's good to know that because then
[14:54] you might start to repeat that. I mean,
[14:56] I've endlessly gone to clients houses
[14:59] where, you know, they've ended up
[15:01] splitting up and then you find out that
[15:03] the last two previous owners of that
[15:05] house had also left that home because
[15:07] there was a divorce in
[15:09] process, for example. So, and then you
[15:12] look at the form what's called in um
[15:15] fune terms armchair funue. You look at
[15:17] the landscape form. How does that
[15:18] property sit in the landscape? What's
[15:21] around it? Is it near a church that's
[15:23] going to bring in a lot of yin um
[15:25] energy? I can remember one house of a
[15:28] client I went to see um many years ago.
[15:31] And literally I went into her living
[15:33] room there was only her. She lived on
[15:35] her own and in her living room she had
[15:37] this enormous like about 12 14 chairs
[15:40] all set up around um the thing and I
[15:43] just said, "Wow, do you have lots of
[15:45] visitors or do you run events or small
[15:47] groups in there?" "No," she said, "No, I
[15:48] don't really have anyone around." And
[15:50] then I just happened to notice I glanced
[15:52] out the window and realized that we were
[15:54] actually on the same level as the
[15:56] headstones in the graveyard. And it's
[15:58] almost like all these chairs were set up
[16:00] for the spirits. They were all having
[16:02] their own com flab in her living room.
[16:04] [laughter]
[16:05] >> A little spot of tea with the local
[16:07] ghosts.
[16:07] >> Yeah, exactly. And it can be really that
[16:10] literal at times. Um, in terms of that
[16:13] conversation and then so you start at
[16:15] the outer and you work more into the
[16:18] inner and then you will go room by room,
[16:20] you know, what do you want your
[16:21] relationship to look like, etc., etc.
[16:24] And we have a particular map of
[16:26] particular areas that relate to these
[16:28] areas and we can see what symbolically
[16:30] is represented there.
[16:32] >> Well, I know we don't have time to go
[16:33] into all of them, but maybe like how
[16:35] about we I know we're going to do a bit
[16:37] of an experiential around the front
[16:38] entrance area. So maybe share a little
[16:40] bit about how we can understand the
[16:42] front entrance within this larger
[16:44] context of energies.
[16:45] >> Yes. I mean, so so what I wanted to give
[16:48] people today is a real sense because
[16:50] there's a lot and there's a lot of
[16:52] language and there's a lot of new terms,
[16:54] but our front door is, you know, if
[16:56] we're going out to work, we're probably
[16:58] coming in and out of that front door
[16:59] twice a day every day. And a threshold
[17:02] point, something that connects you
[17:04] between two energies. So an inside
[17:05] energy and an outside energy, right?
[17:08] That's called a threshold point. And it
[17:10] changes state. So how you are outside is
[17:12] different from how you are inside. So
[17:15] this crossing point is a hugely powerful
[17:17] point. It's like why people meditate at
[17:19] dawn and dusk. Those those liinal what I
[17:22] call the liinal spaces between one state
[17:25] and between dark and light. They have a
[17:28] particular magic. There's you know
[17:29] shamanically we always love the liinal
[17:31] spaces between dawn and dusk as well
[17:33] between the edges of places. So the same
[17:35] thing around the entrance but our front
[17:38] door is where all of our opportunities
[17:40] come. So your visitors, your friends,
[17:42] your family, you your post, um hopefully
[17:46] large checks, anything is all going to
[17:48] come through that front door. So what
[17:50] are you inviting the flow ofqi into your
[17:53] home or are you blocking those
[17:54] opportunities and keeping them out? And
[17:56] it's interesting, isn't it, that
[17:58] entrance as in entrance to our home is
[18:01] one way. But then that word is also
[18:03] entrance as to be captivated as to be
[18:08] entranced and be mu. And of course uh
[18:10] entrance is a spell. So [clears throat]
[18:13] every time you move
[18:14] >> spellcasting
[18:15] >> yeah every time you move in and out you
[18:18] are unconsciously spellcasting yourself
[18:20] whether you're conscious of it or aware
[18:22] of it or not. So the experiential
[18:24] practice is to bring that awareness to
[18:26] the four so you have an understanding of
[18:29] what you're spelling yourself with each
[18:30] day. I have a kind of specific question
[18:33] around that. So like our house as an
[18:35] example is that we primarily are coming
[18:37] in out of the garage because we we live
[18:39] kind of out in the country. We generally
[18:40] drive in and out of the garage. So does
[18:42] that affect the energy of the house when
[18:43] you're sort of
[18:44] >> when you're primarily not using the
[18:46] front door?
[18:47] >> Yeah. So for example, so probably if
[18:50] you're do you keep your gar um your car
[18:52] in the garage?
[18:53] >> Yes.
[18:54] >> Yeah. So, you've got a very yang energy
[18:56] coming in there because I mean is there
[18:58] I mean I I have to ask these other
[19:00] questions to really get down to the
[19:01] nitty-gritty here, Stephen. So, um do
[19:04] you have any clutter in your garage or
[19:05] is it just your car?
[19:07] >> Uh there's clutter. Um I'm I'm more the
[19:09] declutterer. Um my wife is the clutterer
[19:12] and so I and the kids. Uh so I I'm
[19:15] tending to be fighting an uphill battle
[19:17] against clutter.
[19:18] >> So and what and where what do you come
[19:20] into if you come through the garage
[19:21] door? What's the room you come into?
[19:22] >> It's a pantry. Uh, so there's kind of
[19:24] more food and kind of dry goods and
[19:27] stuff.
[19:27] >> So it would be an interesting little
[19:29] experiment. So what you're doing is
[19:30] you're bringing a very yang energy in.
[19:32] So you probably drive home into the
[19:34] garage and then come out into the
[19:35] pantry.
[19:36] >> So you might find that just on a simple
[19:39] level that a lot of your opportunity so
[19:42] there's quite an aggressive energy
[19:44] coming in. So there's not necessarily
[19:46] that slowing down before you kind of get
[19:48] into your house. And maybe the first
[19:50] thing you often want to do when you get
[19:51] home is eat. [laughter] If you're going
[19:53] through the pantry, listen to that.
[19:56] >> Yeah. Often coming home to cook or get a
[19:58] meal.
[19:58] >> Aggressive eating. Aggressive eating.
[20:01] [laughter]
[20:01] >> Yeah. Or wanting a snack on the way in.
[20:03] I'm just going to say that. So if your
[20:06] front your main entrance that was
[20:08] designed architecturally designed in
[20:09] that house is not used, you might find
[20:12] that this chi in your home is quite slow
[20:15] and that your opportunities are often
[20:16] outside the home and not necessarily in
[20:18] the home. Like when you have visitors,
[20:21] do your visitors come through the main
[20:22] entrance or through the garage too?
[20:24] >> Through the main entrance.
[20:25] >> Yeah, exactly. So there's a different
[20:27] chi flow. So you're separate. So then
[20:29] you separate your personal chi from the
[20:32] chi you're in relationship with in terms
[20:34] of friends and family and things like
[20:36] that. So you will just notice subtle
[20:37] differences there.
[20:39] >> It's yeah fascinating perspective. So I
[20:41] don't want to go too far down my own
[20:42] personal course. I thought it might be
[20:44] interesting for others as well.
[20:47] >> Interesting. And so, um, so what are the
[20:50] some of the things that you want to do
[20:51] to, I mean, I know you're going to do a
[20:53] bit of a guided process here so we can
[20:55] visualize, but what are some of the
[20:57] things that start to uplift and make
[20:59] that threshold uh, gateway sort of more
[21:02] aligned with
[21:04] >> I mean, I I kind I would love can we I
[21:06] would really love to go into that after
[21:08] people have had the chance to go into
[21:10] why don't we do that
[21:11] >> simply because otherwise I'm going to
[21:13] give too much away and people will be
[21:15] looking for that in the meditation.
[21:18] rather than getting that really clean
[21:19] field. And then we can talk about that
[21:21] afterwards. That would be wonderful.
[21:22] >> Let's go ahead and do it then and then
[21:24] we can talk a little bit more
[21:24] afterwards.
[21:26] >> So, I'm gonna lead you into this,
[21:28] Stephen, because I'd love you to do it
[21:29] with us just so that we can get a little
[21:31] bit more insight into your front door.
[21:33] [laughter]
[21:34] [gasps] So, I'm just going to invite you
[21:36] to close your eyes
[21:40] and just take three breaths in through
[21:42] the crown of the head and exhaling
[21:44] through the soles of the feet.
[21:49] Just coming into quiet, settled presence
[21:52] inside the body.
[21:56] And find yourself outside your home.
[22:00] You're up the street a little way in
[22:03] your neighborhood somewhere.
[22:07] And you're going to walk home as if for
[22:09] the very first time. You've never been
[22:11] to this house before. You know the way.
[22:14] You know the address.
[22:18] Take yourself back to that first moment.
[22:23] And just notice as you turn around now
[22:25] and start to walk back towards your
[22:27] home,
[22:30] how you're feeling about coming home.
[22:34] Just notice how you feel inside. Whether
[22:37] your stomach clenches or relaxes,
[22:40] shoulders lift or drop.
[22:44] Any thoughts about your neighborhood,
[22:47] the sounds, the smells of where your
[22:50] house is or home is situated.
[22:55] And as you approach your front door now,
[22:57] as if for the first time,
[23:00] just pause and look all around your
[23:03] front entrance.
[23:06] Is your home easy to find?
[23:11] Is the paintwork clean?
[23:15] Are there any plants around the front
[23:17] door? Are they alive and thriving?
[23:22] Any cracks?
[23:25] Working doorbell?
[23:30] And now just open the door.
[23:34] Walk inside your home, closing the door
[23:37] behind you. And just pause.
[23:41] How does it feel to be home?
[23:48] And if you could give that feeling now a
[23:50] number between 1 and 10. One being not
[23:53] so great, 10 being fabulous. First
[23:56] number,
[23:58] not the number you'd like it to be, but
[24:00] the number it actually is.
[24:05] And just pause and look around this
[24:07] entrance,
[24:09] this spell [music] you're casting on
[24:11] yourself every day.
[24:13] Just stay in the hallway, the entrance,
[24:15] and look around and just notice what's
[24:18] there. Coats and shoes, clutter, post,
[24:22] unopened.
[24:24] Is it dark or light? Cold or warm?
[24:31] And if there was one thing, just one
[24:34] thing
[24:37] that immediately
[24:39] your attention wishes to move right now.
[24:44] Something you'd like to change or add.
[24:46] Maybe add a light or clear some coats or
[24:51] shoes or
[24:53] a box out of the pathway. And in your
[24:56] mind,
[24:58] just do that now.
[25:00] Just clear or add or make that change
[25:04] that ever kept whatever came to mind in
[25:06] that moment
[25:12] and see the change complete.
[25:15] And now that you've made that change,
[25:18] just tune in briefly to that feeling
[25:20] [music] again.
[25:24] Now you've made that change and can see
[25:26] it. What number between one being not so
[25:29] great and 10 being fabulous would your
[25:32] house give you now.
[25:37] Just noticing if they're different
[25:40] and then thanking your house for its
[25:42] information and just wriggling your toes
[25:45] and fingers and coming back into this
[25:47] room with me now.
[25:51] So, welcome back everybody.
[25:54] And I hope that journey was [music]
[25:56] revelatory in some ways. And Stephen, I
[25:58] would love to ask you if you noticed any
[26:01] difference between those numbers or
[26:03] anything revealed itself to you in that
[26:05] little journey.
[26:06] >> Yeah. Well, I I mean, so I started our
[26:10] our entrance is quite grand. It's like
[26:12] and very beautiful. So we enter in and
[26:14] there's kind of like, you know, almost
[26:15] it's like a 20 foot high ceiling and on
[26:18] the other side and there's like it's all
[26:19] windows. So you're kind of looking out
[26:20] over this beautiful valley.
[26:22] So, it's it's very beautiful um in
[26:25] general, but what we have is like we've
[26:26] got kind of an overflowing rack of coats
[26:29] and shoes, a lot mostly the kids stuff.
[26:32] And um and so I'm always like I'm more
[26:35] averse to clutter and and so I was like
[26:38] I would just move that into the probably
[26:40] into the the pantry which has a bunch of
[26:42] u potential space for it. And uh and
[26:45] then I also just noticed there's like
[26:47] one originally as like a nursing chair.
[26:49] It's kind of like a rocking chair that's
[26:50] in the kind of living room sitting area
[26:52] that that sort of it's just not as nice
[26:55] as the rest of the things. And I was
[26:57] like, "Oh, get rid of that." And and um
[27:00] and just just generally just making
[27:02] everything in that first. There's a few
[27:04] things that have kind of gotten beaten
[27:05] beaten up by the kids over the
[27:06] [laughter] time.
[27:08] >> So it just sort of feels like it could
[27:10] go for I started more like an eight and
[27:11] that could some of those thing
[27:12] improvements would kind of go up. The
[27:15] one thing that was I also wasn't just
[27:16] sure about was we have these two like
[27:19] giant Balines statues that we got on our
[27:21] honeymoon. And one of them is sort of
[27:23] like this very tough kind of defender
[27:26] burly kind of and then the other one's
[27:28] kind of this delicate flowing um
[27:30] goddessy woman. And so and so they're on
[27:34] either side of the entrance and they
[27:36] weigh about three 400 lb each. And so we
[27:39] um you know we got those and I I think
[27:41] they're really cool but I also was like
[27:42] what does that do to the energy
[27:44] [laughter]
[27:45] >> and so and so I had a question mark
[27:47] around that. So first so the other
[27:49] changes seem like fairly easy but more
[27:51] of like a eight to a nine and then but
[27:53] there's like maybe something around
[27:54] those giant statues that that needs to
[27:57] >> one one of the and that actually brings
[27:59] on to something else which is slightly
[28:01] we'll go further into things like this
[28:03] in the course. The one thing with those
[28:05] two statues, in some ways, they're great
[28:07] because they're both the yin and the
[28:08] yang. They're the masculine and the
[28:10] feminine the way you describe them. So,
[28:12] you've got that heavy yang energy and
[28:13] then you've got that light beautiful yin
[28:15] energy, but they do not if you've got
[28:18] them either side of the door, you are
[28:20] splitting them
[28:22] >> and you are separating. So then what's
[28:24] the relationship between the two? So if
[28:27] you like and it's interesting that you
[28:29] brought them on your honeymoon and so it
[28:31] they're a symbol of the your marriage
[28:33] and your togetherness and the
[28:35] complimentary opposites that you and
[28:37] your wife are. So I would have those two
[28:40] statues. They can be near the front
[28:42] entrance but I'd have them in
[28:44] relationship to each other like so I see
[28:46] this you get this a lot
[28:48] >> almost like turn and look at each other
[28:49] a bit.
[28:49] >> Yeah. Like so even on the same side like
[28:52] and actually just do it in a different
[28:54] arrangement. So you see this on mantle
[28:57] pieces and people are always like they
[28:59] want to separate everything and then you
[29:01] find this splitting energy of they'll
[29:04] split them and have the two candlesticks
[29:06] on either side of the lamp, right? And
[29:08] actually if you do pairings on one end,
[29:11] they can be different objects, two pairs
[29:12] of candles, two statues of something
[29:14] else, you still get the symmetry, but
[29:16] then the two items are in relationship
[29:18] to each other and that brings more
[29:20] relationship and coherence within the
[29:23] home itself. Oh, that's
[29:25] >> I'm not saying that you're separate from
[29:27] your partner, but if you want to get
[29:29] more intimacy, then I would definitely
[29:31] bring those into relationship with one
[29:33] another. So, and the other thing that I
[29:36] feel, and this might be just something
[29:38] to reflect on, I'm sorry we are going to
[29:39] make this [laughter] personal now
[29:40] because you've given me too much
[29:42] information, Steve. It's great.
[29:43] >> We're down the rabbit hole now.
[29:45] [laughter]
[29:46] Um, but you talk about this wonderful
[29:49] grand entrance with this beautiful view
[29:51] over the valley, this wonderful
[29:53] entrance, and yet it's not the entrance
[29:54] you use. So, you don't entrance yourself
[29:57] with your own bought grandeur every day.
[30:00] You come in through the pantry.
[30:02] >> Yeah.
[30:03] >> Through the back door. It's almost like
[30:04] you It's like I wonder how much you own
[30:07] that grandeur.
[30:09] >> That's I think that's very very well
[30:11] put. I I would say that I can tend
[30:13] towards being a worker be at home and
[30:14] just like
[30:16] >> you know
[30:17] >> handling housework yard all that kind of
[30:20] rather than being
[30:21] >> stuff that takes place in the garage
[30:23] around the back and through the pantry.
[30:25] >> So maybe change by coming through your
[30:28] front grand entrance. It sounds
[30:30] >> I mean it's not the it's not the fastest
[30:32] way to get in and out but it is
[30:33] interesting in terms of the entrance
[30:35] effect of like sort of
[30:37] >> bringing in that sort of grandeur and
[30:39] >> Exactly. Yeah.
[30:41] >> And the view of the valley which sounds
[30:42] wonderful, sounds really great form
[30:44] funue. So when we're looking at our
[30:45] homes in terms of you asked before that
[30:48] um journey to explain um to viewers
[30:52] about what things so basically you want
[30:54] to be able to find your home. So is it
[30:56] well labeled? You know can you see the
[30:58] name or is it all covered over in plant
[31:01] material? Is there a working doorbell?
[31:03] Can opportunities reach you? Can you you
[31:05] know [clears throat] does the knocker
[31:06] work? Is it rusty or is it clean? Is the
[31:10] paintwork peeling? You know, all these
[31:11] very practical things really make a
[31:13] difference. Is there
[31:14] >> Yeah, we had we had we have very high
[31:15] ceilings and for a while I I just hadn't
[31:17] gotten to the co there was a bunch of
[31:18] cobwebs up there and so I finally got
[31:20] like a pressure washer to kind of knock
[31:22] those out of there.
[31:23] >> And so yeah, so all of those things make
[31:25] a difference
[31:26] >> and being able to open the door fully so
[31:28] there's nothing stuck behind it, no
[31:29] clutter behind the door. So your your
[31:32] intu intuitive sort of hit of I really
[31:35] want to move those coats and shoes
[31:37] especially where most of them aren't
[31:38] mostly probably used anymore if they're
[31:40] near the front door and you will use the
[31:42] back door right is um to clear those out
[31:45] of the way and make that clean and tidy
[31:48] and so there's a good flow because you
[31:50] want that entrance. You know this is the
[31:52] [snorts]
[31:53] inb breath and the outreath. You don't
[31:54] you can't breathe in fully if your nose
[31:56] is blocked or your mouth is blocked.
[31:58] It's the same thing. That front door,
[32:00] that entrance is the mouth of chi. It's
[32:02] where that first initial rush of the
[32:05] outside meets the inside. And that's so
[32:07] important.
[32:08] >> So, I'm really hoping that people will
[32:10] have got a genuine experience um as you
[32:13] did just in a few minutes of what the
[32:15] potential of understanding this um
[32:18] shamanic funue can give you.
[32:20] >> So, I imagine that each person got their
[32:23] own set of messages or insights. So is
[32:26] there are there ways to sort of think
[32:27] about prioritizing what's going to have
[32:29] the most beneficial effect or what do
[32:31] what do you do first because some things
[32:32] might be
[32:33] >> well depend more investment of time
[32:36] money.
[32:36] >> Yeah I mean obviously everything starts
[32:38] with intent. So what's your intention?
[32:41] So, if you're thinking of you're stuck
[32:43] in your life and there's like gosh, I've
[32:45] got no opportunities, um, not much is
[32:48] happening, doesn't seem much movement,
[32:50] everything seems a bit stuck, then I
[32:52] would definitely go to the front door
[32:54] and go, "Right, what can I move? What
[32:56] can I brighten up here? What can I
[32:58] rejuvenate? What can I clear out and get
[33:00] rid of? What can I fix that's broken?"
[33:02] That immediately is going to start the
[33:05] flow of opportunities coming in. it will
[33:07] start the increase because what we're
[33:10] always trying to do in a home and that's
[33:11] another thing that your home perhaps has
[33:14] a slight issue with is we're trying to
[33:17] encourage the sheni we talked about that
[33:19] earlier this wonderful nourishing
[33:20] beneficial chi to come in and circulate
[33:23] and chi has a number of different
[33:24] properties and ways of moving which as I
[33:27] say we'll go further into really
[33:28] understanding that during the course but
[33:31] it circulates and spirals around a space
[33:34] and it nourishes the inhabitants Now, if
[33:36] you open your front door and you're
[33:38] immediately looking out to the valley at
[33:39] the back, you may well be losing a lot
[33:41] of that chi because it's rushing through
[33:43] your house too fast.
[33:45] >> And it might be that those statues, I
[33:48] can't see the placement without seeing a
[33:49] photo or something like that, but it
[33:51] could well be that those statues you
[33:52] have are actually creating a slowing
[33:55] down of that cheese so that it gets to
[33:56] meander through other areas of the home
[33:59] without dissipating straight out of the
[34:01] back door. And that's one thing for
[34:03] people to really be aware of. What's the
[34:05] first thing when they open their front
[34:06] door? What's the first thing that I rest
[34:08] on? What's that? Because that's again
[34:11] another part of that spelling that's
[34:13] there every day. It's sort of telling
[34:16] you what you're focused on if you like.
[34:19] And noticing language.
[34:22] Um it's fascinating how people describe
[34:25] their homes. Like even you know like you
[34:27] know we often just say oh you know the
[34:30] rubbish in there. We you know we use it
[34:31] we have this in our language all the
[34:33] time. We say things about um like I was
[34:37] talking to somebody the other day and
[34:39] they described because I'd sent them
[34:41] something that I was doing for shift and
[34:43] like one of the bonuses and I just said,
[34:45] "Oh, have a look and see that." And they
[34:46] just said, "Oh my god, I've just come
[34:47] back and all my words that I use is
[34:50] dilapidated, old, tired, fed up.
[34:53] [laughter] I'm now going to have to go
[34:54] and paint everything and regenerate it."
[34:58] But they hadn't seen it until they saw
[35:00] it. And that is the beauty of this work.
[35:03] It gives you so many of those really big
[35:06] aha moments of being able to really see
[35:08] yourself very fully.
[35:10] >> So it sounds like also part of the way
[35:12] to approach it is this is a long time
[35:14] long-term energetic ROI because you do
[35:16] make the changes once and you're going
[35:17] to keep getting the benefits for years
[35:19] to come.
[35:19] >> Yeah, absolutely. You get a fantastic
[35:21] return of it. And the other thing, this
[35:22] is another thing that clients often say
[35:24] to me, "Oh, I had my fune done five
[35:26] years ago." It's just like, yeah, but
[35:28] chi is constantly moving. So for me
[35:31] shamanic funue apart from anything else
[35:34] it teaches us how to manage change
[35:37] >> because life is constantly mutating and
[35:40] our chi is constantly mutating and it
[35:42] will get stuck over time and clutter
[35:44] will accumulate because it does so this
[35:46] it can be but it's what I prefer is
[35:48] rather than the big enormous renovations
[35:51] it's the small daily funue that's what
[35:53] gets life to really flow and function
[35:55] well and that's what gets our lives to
[35:57] manifest so we get more of what we want
[35:59] and less of what we don't want because
[36:01] we have that daily flow and it could be
[36:03] a vase of flowers it could be just
[36:05] moving like for example I can give you I
[36:07] did it you see I do practice what I
[36:09] preach I did it for this call today
[36:11] because I'd had a very difficult couple
[36:14] of days my mom's not so well and I sort
[36:16] of wasn't quite in the head space and
[36:18] I'm like right I've got this call with
[36:20] Steven you know I really want to be able
[36:22] to talk about this is something I'm
[36:23] deeply passionate excited about so I
[36:25] thought I need to do a bit of funue for
[36:27] myself to kind of clear the fog of my
[36:29] mom and things like that. So I cleaned
[36:31] the windows off my room to get that new
[36:33] perspective because windows give us
[36:35] clarity. They give us a new view. They
[36:37] give us a fresh perspective. So just
[36:39] doing that changed my internal chi to be
[36:42] prepared for this. So these are the ways
[36:44] we can work with it really easily on a
[36:45] daily basis.
[36:47] >> I [clears throat] love that. I know you
[36:49] um we don't have time here to go into
[36:50] all the different rooms in the house,
[36:51] but maybe it might be helpful just have
[36:53] a little bit of a high level of like
[36:55] what are the different areas of the
[36:56] home, how are they affecting you
[36:58] energetically? And so so we start to
[37:00] like why working with different areas
[37:01] might have a different benefit.
[37:03] >> So we've talked about the mouth of chi
[37:06] that's the main entrance the flow coming
[37:08] in. So the hallways are like the
[37:09] arteries like the blood flow in the body
[37:11] there the arteries. So can the chi move
[37:14] through your home? Is there a natural
[37:15] flow or is it difficult or is it
[37:18] blocked? Are there doors that don't open
[37:19] clutter etc etc. So kitchen tends to be
[37:22] the heart of the home. It's where we get
[37:24] nourished and nurtured. So, does your
[37:26] kitchen look is there a place that you
[37:28] can eat as a family? Is um does it look
[37:31] healthy and hygienic? Is your back to
[37:34] the door like when you're cooking which
[37:36] makes you feel unsafe because you can't
[37:38] see who's coming in and then that in
[37:40] slight insecurity will go into the food
[37:42] things of that nature. Your living room
[37:44] is where you live. So, how is your
[37:47] living is that needs to be a little bit
[37:48] more yang. Is it very still and quiet in
[37:50] the room that's never used or only used
[37:52] for the best guests? Or do you actually
[37:54] entertain there? And is it lively and
[37:57] giving you that excitement of life? Our
[38:00] bedrooms are our most intimate
[38:02] expression. So, it's where we get rest
[38:04] and nurture and our intimate expression.
[38:07] So, I always like to think of um
[38:09] bedrooms a little bit sort of more like
[38:12] budoiresque, shall we say? That's always
[38:15] where you want to veer veer towards, not
[38:18] have the ironing board and the pile of
[38:19] ironing at the back or your office and
[38:22] your work desk. And then of course,
[38:24] bathrooms are those intimate spaces
[38:26] where we purify and cleanse. Um, so that
[38:30] kind of and the attic tends to be the
[38:32] future, the basement tends to be the
[38:34] past. So what are you keeping in your
[38:35] future and what are you not dealing with
[38:37] in your past for example?
[38:40] And what are some of the um so you have
[38:42] the the negative chi that can um sort of
[38:44] bog things down. What are some of the
[38:46] kind of highle things to kind of look
[38:47] out for in the house?
[38:48] >> Yeah. So I mean obviously we from the
[38:51] traumatic point of view going into the
[38:53] deeper land energies. It could be
[38:55] something actually to do with the land
[38:56] that needs shifting and that we need to
[38:58] go a little bit deeper in the course.
[39:01] just obvious things to look out for.
[39:03] Cracks, broken items, cobwebs, dark
[39:06] corners, um, light bulb, you know, like
[39:10] these are this is what I mean about
[39:12] chief. So, every day you come in, you go
[39:14] to switch the light, and of course, you
[39:16] haven't changed the bulb. And it's a
[39:18] really subtle little thing. This is this
[39:20] is the difference to how we have vital
[39:22] chi and lower chi. So each time I come
[39:25] in and I turn that switch and I've
[39:27] forgotten to change the light bulb, my
[39:28] chi just very subtly just drops a little
[39:30] bit. Oh damn. And you just lower your
[39:34] frequency a little bit. Well, you sort
[39:36] those things and you mend those little
[39:38] annoying things that you know where the
[39:40] latch doesn't quite fit or the door
[39:42] drawer doesn't quite open or you have to
[39:44] fight, you know, get those things fixed,
[39:46] things start to flow easier. It's these
[39:48] little things make a huge difference in
[39:50] in your [clears throat] relationship.
[39:52] really really great insights and I think
[39:54] it can all of us are just having
[39:56] different things spark of like oh yeah
[39:57] we we've got this big chandel or kind of
[39:59] a circular chandelier and it has like I
[40:02] don't know 40 bulbs in it and there's
[40:04] always ones dropping out and you have to
[40:06] kind of lower from the ceiling and get
[40:08] and so sometimes it's like three or four
[40:10] light bulbs back before it's changed and
[40:13] so it's just like oh interesting how
[40:15] that could be affecting things and so
[40:17] >> really really fascinating
[40:18] >> where where beams cut across thing like
[40:21] I went to um a house, a client that have
[40:24] got probate issue and literally walk in
[40:27] the front door, there's a beam that
[40:29] literally cuts the house in two and then
[40:31] the house has been designed so there are
[40:34] literally two parts to the house and
[40:36] they don't join and so it splits in two.
[40:39] The the relationship split up and of
[40:42] course they're really struggling to sell
[40:44] because it doesn't work for families
[40:45] because there's no kind of continuity of
[40:48] that home for example, things like that.
[40:50] this this you know this is that's why I
[40:52] love it. I get very passionate about it
[40:53] because it's like the gift that keeps on
[40:55] giving for me
[40:56] >> and I I have quite a sort of um
[40:59] >> I've just never got bored with funray or
[41:01] shaman. It's just like there is so much
[41:04] depth and richness and ongoing
[41:06] conversation and my real mission is just
[41:08] to teach people the language of this so
[41:11] they can do it for themselves forever
[41:12] because it I think we're living in very
[41:15] difficult times. I don't think anyone
[41:17] can sort [laughter] of ignore what's
[41:19] going out on the 3D world right now and
[41:22] it can be very destabilizing and
[41:24] disempowering at times. And when we work
[41:26] with the alchemy of our home, this this
[41:28] this place that is here and we really
[41:30] work with creating this ally and this
[41:32] responsive field of energy that we're in
[41:34] relationship with, it really allows us
[41:36] to take our power back.
[41:38] >> Love that.
[41:39] >> You know, encourages us to work with
[41:41] ourselves.
[41:43] >> I love that. Well, let's [clears throat]
[41:44] talk about your upcoming course in more
[41:46] detail because it's an amazing way to do
[41:47] that and really get this distillate of
[41:49] all the study that you've done and uh
[41:51] there's a beautiful way of illuminating
[41:53] the core patterns. So, um so Deina has
[41:56] agreed to teach this brand new course
[41:57] for shift. It's called shamanic funue.
[42:00] Read the energy, symbolism, and spirit
[42:02] of your space to create a home that
[42:04] supports who you're becoming. You can
[42:06] find it at the URL shamanic
[42:07] funuecourse.com.
[42:10] It's there's no requirement for any
[42:11] background with funue. She's going to
[42:13] teach you the foundations and really
[42:15] help create a transformation in your
[42:17] home life and your relationship, the
[42:18] alchemical relationship with your home.
[42:20] So, um, Bevina, I'd love for you to
[42:22] share some of your intentions for what
[42:24] people come away with and let's go
[42:25] through a tour of the modules.
[42:27] >> Yeah. So, my intention, um, is really,
[42:30] if I said is giving you a tool for
[42:32] transformation, giving you a tool to
[42:34] manage change. So, like, you know, we
[42:38] call it, don't we? We say home is where
[42:40] the heart is. So it's like look around.
[42:43] Is your heart fully reflected in your
[42:45] space that you live in?
[42:47] You know, and how can we really get your
[42:49] heart to be fully expressed in the space
[42:51] around you? It can help with any kind of
[42:54] low energy block, stuck, stagnation,
[42:58] anything of that nature is fantastic for
[43:00] increasing your vitality, increasing
[43:02] your energy, giving you your power,
[43:05] changing your relationship with form.
[43:07] And for me, I truly believe that we can
[43:10] change the world one home at a time when
[43:12] we really understand this relationship.
[43:15] >> Well, let's figure let's show how. So,
[43:17] module one goes into alchemy state one,
[43:19] nego the dark, embrace your home as a
[43:21] living ally.
[43:23] >> Yeah. So, what everybody will in their
[43:25] bonus materials have got the prima
[43:27] materia, which is a wonderful field
[43:29] guide, takes you through your house,
[43:30] asks you all the relevant questions. So,
[43:32] you come to the course fully armed with
[43:34] everything ready. And every good
[43:36] alchemist needs to look at the prima
[43:38] material. You got to look at the base
[43:39] metals. You got to look at the base
[43:41] ingredients. And the one thing about um
[43:44] fune for me over the years I've just
[43:46] noticed that a lot of it is about
[43:48] observation. Maybe this is not about you
[43:51] know hanging windchimes all over your
[43:53] house or sticking toads in the corner
[43:55] with coins in their mouth. It's the
[43:56] complete opposite of that. If for me
[43:59] funue should be felt not seen. It's
[44:01] about those subtle movements and it
[44:03] could just be the change of an angle or
[44:06] something that allows the flow or the
[44:08] moving of a space but we have to observe
[44:11] and we have to look at it first. So this
[44:13] first the negrado we've got to look and
[44:16] sometimes it's a bit tough to face that
[44:18] reality like because we've not looked at
[44:20] it in that way and then suddenly it's
[44:22] like oh god I'm going to really have to
[44:23] face that pile of clutter in the corner.
[44:25] Yeah, but I've been trying to pretend it
[44:28] doesn't exist or you know, as you say,
[44:30] the broken bulbs in the chandelier. I
[44:32] really don't want to have to lower it
[44:33] down and deal with that or whatever. So,
[44:35] there can be that's the shadow in that
[44:37] sense, but from what I see, it's like
[44:39] looking at where the shi is. Where have
[44:41] you got the weeds, the broken, the
[44:44] problems? What area of your life is in?
[44:46] We start to learn the language of how
[44:48] we're going to um work with the
[44:49] transformation. And we're also going to
[44:51] look at how your home sits within the
[44:55] armchair or the command position of its
[44:57] environment because that's super
[44:58] important.
[45:00] >> Module two, alchemy stage two,
[45:02] calcination, the fire. Understand the
[45:04] psychology and spirit of clutter to
[45:06] release what is no longer true.
[45:08] >> Yeah, I I absolutely love clutter or the
[45:10] or the disposal of it at least anyway.
[45:13] And I get people excited by clutter.
[45:15] you'll be absolutely desperate to get
[45:17] those bin bags out by the end of this
[45:19] module. Right? And it's because again,
[45:22] it's understanding the psychology of it
[45:24] because clutter is not an organizational
[45:27] problem or a you know high ADHD problem
[45:30] or a mismanagement problem or buying
[45:32] too. It's entirely psychologically
[45:35] psychological and it's really about is
[45:39] it safe to let go? And that is something
[45:42] different for everybody. We all have
[45:44] different levels of fears, different
[45:45] levels of insecurities. So, it's really
[45:48] understanding and the fire of
[45:50] transformation of understanding the
[45:52] psychology of the clutter we hold on to.
[45:54] And remember, one person's clutter is
[45:56] another person's gift. So, clutter is
[45:59] needs a definition which we go into and
[46:01] really define that and get down into the
[46:03] weeds so that it's an easy simple
[46:06] process to move through.
[46:08] >> I need you around my house. [laughter]
[46:11] Module three, alchemy stage three,
[46:14] dissolution, the flood. Embrace rooms as
[46:16] archetypes to read the story they're
[46:17] telling about who you are.
[46:19] >> Yeah, this is we touched on this a
[46:21] little bit, but we're going to go into
[46:22] it in a much deeper level. Because the
[46:24] dissolution, the flood is again what
[46:26] does your bedroom reflect about you?
[46:27] What does your living room reflect, your
[46:29] kitchen, your bathroom? All these
[46:30] different things like the in dream
[46:33] symbolism um if we dream of a home, it's
[46:35] the mansion of the soul. And all these
[46:38] different areas have different
[46:40] associations and different ways of
[46:42] working. We'll also now start to look at
[46:44] the Bagwo and which is the fune map of
[46:47] where what relates to your health and
[46:49] where that shows up in your home and
[46:51] what rooms and things of that. So, we're
[46:53] now getting into the more nittygritty
[46:55] detail of that um precision and language
[46:58] that's going to really bring this to
[46:59] life for you.
[47:01] >> Module four, alchemy stage four,
[47:03] separation. Explore the thresholds,
[47:06] centers and powerpoints of your home to
[47:07] reveal stagnation and empower your life.
[47:10] >> Yeah. So this is very much um we need to
[47:15] now really be create thresholds. We've
[47:17] talked a little bit just in terms of
[47:18] entrance but every threshold point right
[47:22] and we can use I love thresholds the
[47:24] these liinal spaces. They are absolutely
[47:27] manifestation
[47:29] miracle moments and we can use them very
[47:32] very powerfully. So we can be in a state
[47:35] and being in an unresourced state and
[47:37] literally as I walk through this door
[47:38] I'm going to grow more. All sorts of
[47:41] things of this nature that we learn.
[47:43] Where is the powerpoint in your home?
[47:44] Where's the powerpoint in every room?
[47:46] Where's the focal point? What's the
[47:48] command position? How is your bed place
[47:50] for the best sleep? Is your office set
[47:52] up optimally? You know, how are you
[47:54] receiving visitors? All of these issues
[47:56] that we're really going to look at in
[47:57] that detailed way so that you learn the
[48:00] rules of how to be more empowered in the
[48:05] way that you articulate and are in
[48:07] relationship with your environment.
[48:09] [clears throat]
[48:09] >> Love it. Module five, alchemy stage
[48:12] five, conjunction. Harmonize your space
[48:14] and life through objects in symbolic
[48:16] placement.
[48:17] >> Yeah, this is where we get down into
[48:19] what is that object actually saying? You
[48:22] know, like you're maybe not getting on
[48:24] so well with your partner and then the
[48:26] picture at the end of your bed that you
[48:28] wake up every day is two ferocious
[48:31] tigers maybe tearing each other's throat
[48:33] out on a safari or something of that
[48:35] nature or a couple of extinct dinosaurs
[48:37] that you thought were great when you
[48:38] bought them. But you know what are they
[48:39] symbolizing and that's the first thing
[48:41] you see every morning when you wake up.
[48:43] It's really looking at what the art of
[48:46] placement, what are the colors you're
[48:47] using, what are the shapes. We're also
[48:49] going to go more into the five elements
[48:52] um in the Chinese things of how wood and
[48:54] metal and earth and fire all and water
[48:58] all work together and how we actually
[49:01] actualize those in the shape of our
[49:03] furniture in the colors we use in the
[49:06] objects that we place the lighting
[49:07] whether it's up lighting down lighting
[49:10] what you do with beams what you do with
[49:12] um difficult placements basically like
[49:16] if you're at the end of a T junction so
[49:18] you've got a lot of yang energy. What
[49:19] can you do to sort of help remedy that?
[49:21] So, we'll look at remedies within that
[49:23] module as well.
[49:25] >> Module six, alchemy stage six,
[49:27] fermentation, the quickening. Release
[49:30] old paradigms and anchor change through
[49:32] ritual resetting and repatterning your
[49:34] home.
[49:36] >> Yeah. So, for me, this brings in more of
[49:37] that shamanic element. I mean, all of it
[49:39] will bring in shamanic elements
[49:41] throughout the entire course, but for
[49:43] me, intention will change things. moving
[49:46] something will change something but
[49:48] ritual embodies it so that it's an
[49:51] ongoing life process and the ritual and
[49:55] the repatterning and literally learning
[49:57] to space clear also so that you could so
[49:59] if you've had like you might have funed
[50:01] your home to perfection in your eyes and
[50:03] then you have an argument and it upsets
[50:06] the energy so what do you do with that
[50:08] so during this module there's going to
[50:09] be lots of ways to limpia your home
[50:12] clear your home change the energy how
[50:15] you let the winds of change come working
[50:17] with the elements to rebalance it
[50:19] getting those earth energies really
[50:20] working with you getting more into that
[50:22] deep relationship through the rituals.
[50:25] >> Amazing module seven alchemy stage seven
[50:28] rubo the gold create a personal practice
[50:31] for a lifelong evolving relationship
[50:33] with your home
[50:34] >> which is exactly that basically Stephen
[50:36] it is finding that final goal because I
[50:39] want people to take this information way
[50:41] beyond these seven weeks because that's
[50:44] the real power of it. It's I I want to
[50:46] convey and teach a language and a way of
[50:49] viewing their homes that they will
[50:51] nobody will ever lose and they'll always
[50:53] feel empowered to be able to change the
[50:55] space. That's what it does. It gives you
[50:56] that personal empowerment. I think that
[50:58] is the greatest nugget. You're never
[51:00] lost for something to do. If you get
[51:02] stuck, you're going right, what can I
[51:04] shift? What needs moving? What what what
[51:06] am I where am I blocking myself? Where
[51:08] have I got to look to see how I can
[51:10] change this?
[51:12] It's a very empowering process and that
[51:14] really brings it all together and we get
[51:17] this and giving th those um ways of
[51:20] those uh processes for ongoing and what
[51:23] you can do on a weekly, monthly, yearly
[51:25] basis to keep the shifts going.
[51:28] >> Well, [snorts] what a uniquely
[51:29] empowering program. I personally am just
[51:31] fascinated by this and particularly like
[51:33] bringing the sort of the language and
[51:34] the intelligence of funue together with
[51:36] some of the shamatic perspectives on how
[51:38] this really becomes an inner alchemy
[51:40] with you and your home. Really cool
[51:42] Deina. So I'll share a little bit more
[51:44] about the practical. Again, it's at uh
[51:46] the elements of of the course. So
[51:48] there's seven 90-minute live sessions
[51:50] with Deina which includes time to do
[51:52] practices together. There's Q&A time.
[51:54] You also get recordings of every session
[51:56] so you can go back video and audio as
[51:58] well as transcripts. There are weekly
[52:00] practices and things you can do at your
[52:02] in your home every single week. Uh
[52:04] there's community group to support you
[52:06] and deepen your experience and also
[52:08] share your wins, insights, things that
[52:10] uh come up for you in the course.
[52:12] There'll also be small group time to
[52:14] connect with other participants. So
[52:16] again, there's more detail on all the
[52:18] modules at shamanicfueecourse.com.
[52:21] And uh and so in addition to those seven
[52:23] uh 90-minute modules, there's also going
[52:25] to be several bonuses that Deina has
[52:27] been generous in adding, there's a
[52:29] digital workbook and intro video called
[52:31] the Alchemy of Home Field Guide, a
[52:33] complete survey of the home you live in.
[52:35] Now, want to share more about that
[52:36] bonus?
[52:38] >> Um yes, this is the premium material um
[52:41] one. So that's going to give you it's a
[52:43] huge document, but it really takes you
[52:45] through asking questions. There's um
[52:48] periods of inquiry. It asks you very odd
[52:51] specific questions that will come out um
[52:54] in the course of really understanding
[52:56] what that language but making you look
[52:57] at your home with new eyes and really
[53:00] noticing what you will have walked past
[53:02] a hundred times and not seen before.
[53:05] >> That's bonus one. Then there's a second
[53:07] bonus. It's a PDF program and audio
[53:09] meditation. It's called the clutter
[53:11] clearing program. A complete practical
[53:13] method for releasing what you no longer
[53:14] love, use or need.
[53:17] In the course, we're talking about the
[53:18] psychology, but there's great practical
[53:22] strategies for clearing. So, once you
[53:24] understand the psychology and you're
[53:26] ready to let it go, this bonus will
[53:28] really come into its own because it will
[53:29] give you all the clearing strategies
[53:31] that really work to actually be able to
[53:33] let go of that clutter once and for all.
[53:37] >> Very cool. And then I love the last
[53:39] bonus, which is our special bonus for
[53:40] whoever signs up by midnight tonight,
[53:42] Pacific time. This is actually a video
[53:44] conversation with Deina and Puma um who
[53:47] we mentioned earlier who's the uh
[53:49] Peruvian shaman that we work with very
[53:51] extensively. It's called the spirits of
[53:53] place. Want to share more about that
[53:55] bonus with you and Puma?
[53:56] >> Yeah. Well, Puma and I have many because
[53:58] I I I mean, as I say, I've known Puma
[54:00] for a very long time and love him dearly
[54:02] and we have great conversations about
[54:04] all sorts of things. And, you know, I I
[54:06] love Puma because we we love to um agree
[54:09] and disagree at times on our different
[54:11] ways of perceiving nature, the universe,
[54:14] and everything. So, we're really talking
[54:15] about the different European um ways of
[54:19] seeing power of place as opposed to the
[54:21] Peruvian ways and where the correlations
[54:23] and the differences exist. It's a good
[54:25] conversation.
[54:27] >> Well, it's clearly going to be such an
[54:28] amazing program. I'm really excited to
[54:30] learn more and uh we've kept the
[54:32] investment very accessible. It's just
[54:34] three payments of $128 or you can save
[54:37] 10% when you pay in full with one
[54:38] payment of 3.49. The course is going to
[54:41] start October 27th and run Tuesdays at
[54:44] 9:00 a.m. Pacific, noon Eastern. And
[54:46] that works well for England and and uh
[54:48] Europe as well. And so, but even if you
[54:50] can't make those live times, you can
[54:52] still get the the value with the
[54:54] recordings, the transcripts, and the
[54:55] community. There's some great
[54:57] testimonials on the page about Deina's
[55:00] work. Her work goes far beyond the
[55:01] physical space. It it opens a depth of
[55:03] awareness. It supports real lasting
[55:05] change. Wisdom has guided me both
[55:07] personally and in my business. Amazing
[55:09] healer and gifted persons. There's some
[55:10] great testimonials about Dvina. And so
[55:12] you're in really good hands and you're
[55:14] going to get this powerful synthesis of
[55:17] funue and shamanic work and fused into
[55:20] how you can really have your home be an
[55:23] alchemical vessel for birthing you on
[55:25] the next level. So let's um so again
[55:29] it's all at uh shamanicfuncourse.com
[55:33] shamanicfuncourse.com
[55:35] and you get the special bonus with Deina
[55:37] and Puma when you sign up by midnight.
[55:40] So Deina, it's this truly been a
[55:43] fascinating hour. I've really loved it
[55:44] and I'm I'm thank you for the extra
[55:46] insights into my own particular home and
[55:48] I know others have feel blessed by
[55:50] today. So anything that's still on your
[55:51] heart that you want to share with folks
[55:52] who are considering doing the full
[55:54] course?
[55:55] I I just really my deep passion for
[56:00] sharing this and knowing that anyone
[56:04] that joins who is in any way feeling
[56:07] that their life is less than optimal
[56:10] right now will benefit from really
[56:13] learning this very intimate relationship
[56:15] with their land spirits with this new
[56:18] relationship with their home because it
[56:20] will give them a new relationship with
[56:21] their heart.
[56:23] I can't wait. [laughter]
[56:25] >> Love that. Well, great to meet you,
[56:27] Deina, and thank you so much for sharing
[56:28] your wisdom and insights. And thank you
[56:30] all for joining and look forward to see
[56:32] many of you in Deina's upcoming course,
[56:33] which again is at shamanicfuncourse.com
[56:36] and it's called shamanic funue. Read the
[56:39] energy, symbolism, and spirit of your
[56:41] space to create a home that supports who
[56:43] you're becoming.
[56:45] >> Thank you, Stephen. It's been an
[56:46] absolute pleasure, and I'm very much
[56:48] looking forward to teaching the course.
[56:50] >> Likewise.
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[1:08:27] >> Heat. Heat.
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[1:08:52] Heat. Heat.
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[1:10:16] >> Heat. Heat.
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[1:10:45] >> Heat up here.
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[1:11:07] >> Heat. Hey. Hey. Hey.
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[1:11:27] >> Heat. Heat.
[1:11:50] Heat. Heat.