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The Five Buddha Families: Reading Anger, Pride, and Longing

Susan
Susan
Oct 23, 2026
9 min read

From Susan Piver

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Susan Piver, a longtime Buddhist teacher and writer, opens her Buddhism Beyond Belief episode "Seeing Ourselves and Others Through the Five Buddha Families" with a problem most spiritual seekers eventually hit: non-dual awareness cannot be reached by argument or willpower, so how do dualistic minds even begin? Her answer is a mandala. In Vajrayana Buddhism, the Five Buddha Families is a map of five kinds of wisdom, each paired with a form of confusion, and each arranged around a direction and an element. Piver treats it the way many people treat astrology or the Enneagram: an overlay that makes the terrain of our own reactions legible enough to work with. Below, we walk through the five families the way she does, with attention to how each wisdom turns into its distorted twin, and why recognizing those patterns in other people can soften the way we respond to them.

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Why Start With a Map When Non-Duality Can't Be Reached Directly?

Piver's opening move is a confession of limits. Many traditions point toward going beyond dualistic thinking, the habit of sorting everything into good and bad, black and white, up and down. But she is blunt about the trap: "You can't think your way into non-dualism. You can't force yourself into non-dualism. You can't will a non-dualistic view, because there's always something arguing with something." (0:06 onward, in her framing of the problem) Anyone who announces that they are "very into non-duality," she says, has probably missed the point, since there is no one there to be into it.

So she proposes a navigational device rather than a destination. Mandalas, in her description, act like "acetate overlays" on top of an experience that is otherwise too fluid to grasp, helping us "map it, make sense of it, enter it using both our intelligence and our confusion as navigational devices" (3:35). The point is not to get the map right. It is to use the map as a mirror.

Piver also stresses that each person holds all five wisdoms and all five confusions. One family is predominant, often a second is secondary, and there is usually at least one whose workings the teacher admits she does not understand at all (5:21). That framing matters: the families are not a personality test with four wrong boxes. They describe a whole operating system, with a dominant pattern that can be recognized, softened, and eventually seen through.

How Does Vajra Turn Precision Into Anger?

The first family, Vajra, takes its name from the Sanskrit word for indestructible, diamond-like. Piver places it in the east, where the sun rises and there is a sense of morning freshness, and links it to the element of water. Its signature quality is sharpness: precision, crystalline clarity, and a bracing coldness. She is careful to say this is not emotional coldness. It is the feeling of opening the door in your pajamas on a 25-degree morning and getting hit by the wind, a "bracing, wakeful, somewhat verging on painful, completely unsleepy energy" (5:56).

The confused expression of Vajra is familiar to anyone who has ever snapped at a slow cashier or a careless colleague. It shows up as anger, impatience, judgment, and criticism, particularly when things do not go the way the person wants. But the same energy, when it is not distorted, becomes what Piver calls mirror-like wisdom, "like a sheet of ice that reflects perfectly whatever is in front of it." The brilliance of Vajra is not niceness. It is seeing exactly what is there, without the distortion that anger adds. That is why she links the family to precision: the same sharpness that flares into criticism can, unfiltered, render reality with terrifying accuracy.

Why Does Pride Show Up as Generosity in the Ratna Family?

Moving clockwise around the mandala, Piver arrives at Ratna, associated with the south, fertility, richness, and the golden light of high summer. Its wisdom is called the wisdom of equality, and she is quick to clarify that this does not mean flattening everything into a monotone. It means "seeing the richness in all phenomena equally," recognizing the power, potential, and capacity for abundance in whatever one encounters (7:46).

The distorted version is pride: the pride of my richness, my accumulations, my accomplishments. Yet Piver points out that the healthy version is recognizable in a particular kind of home. Think of a room with objects on every surface, fabrics layered on fabrics, bowls and shelves full of things, and yet the whole thing reads as harmonious and beautiful rather than cluttered. That is Ratna's gift at work, a multi-textured, multi-faceted richness that can hold abundance without losing coherence. Her clothing example is equally vivid. Someone in plaid pants, a striped shirt and a polka-dot cap can look wonderful, while the same outfit on the teacher would look ridiculous (9:40). "It is a particular gift and underlying capacity that some people have," she says, to bring richness into view in a way that looks beautiful.

Piver admits this is the family she understands least. She calls herself the weakest in the wisdom of equality and says her own house would look terrible if she tried that style. That honesty is part of the method. The families are not meant to flatter the reader's self-image; they are a way to notice where we are thin, and to appreciate where others are rich in ways we cannot imitate.

What Is Padma's Longing, and Why Is It Discrimination?

The Padma family sits in the west, and its emotional key is longing. Piver's description pairs longing with "discriminating awareness" and "sensitivity to nuance," which is a striking reframe. In ordinary speech, longing sounds like a lack. In this map, it is a refined capacity to perceive difference: the subtle texture of a color, the exact note of a mood, the almost invisible gradation between one thing and another. Discriminating awareness here does not mean judgment in the Vajra sense. It means noticing fine distinctions that a coarser mind would miss.

The confused side is grasping. Longing that is not held lightly becomes a demand to have, to keep, to be given something. Piver's own examples from the segment circle around that edge: the wish to have what someone else has, the urge to attach and reach. The gift and the hazard are the same faculty. The sensitivity that lets someone hear the one wrong chord in a song is also what makes them ache when something they love slips away.

Can Anxious Speed Accomplish Something Meaningful?

The Karma family sits in the north, and Piver ties it to what she calls all-accomplishing activity. Its gift is the ability to get things done that matter. Its confusion is anxious speed: the urgency of I need to get more, the restless drive that never rests long enough to know what it is for. The distinction is subtle but important. Karma energy is not inherently frantic. It becomes frantic when it is driven by fear rather than by purpose.

Piver draws on her own experience to illustrate the difference. She describes a meditation teacher who gave her direction about how to proceed, and her own tendency to rush ahead with the sense that she was doing everything at once. The lesson she draws is not to abandon action but to see the speed itself as information. When the energy is in its wise form, it accomplishes what is meaningful. When it is anxious, it accomplishes nothing except the next task.

What Does Spaciousness Look Like When It Goes Spacey?

The Buddha family is the wisdom of spaciousness and wakefulness, the one most people would hope for on a spiritual path. Its enlightened expression is open, unbounded, and aware. Piver is quick to point out the neurotic expression: the same spaciousness can become unfocused, drifting, and what she describes as spacey. Her image is a palette without color, a presence without edge. The Buddha person may be wonderfully relaxed and hard to offend, yet unable to show up with precision when precision is needed.

She also notes that detail can be a creative gift in this family, and that when details are softened the result can be a loss of the particular. The lesson is not that spaciousness is suspect. It is that openness without focus can dissolve into vagueness, and that a practitioner who has a lot of Buddha energy may need Vajra's sharpness or Karma's direction to bring their vision into the world.

How Can Recognizing These Energies Deepen Compassion?

The practical payoff of the mandala is compassion, both toward oneself and toward others. Once you can see that someone's anger is a distortion of precision, that someone's pride is a distortion of richness, that someone's restlessness is a distortion of accomplishment, the reaction shifts. You are no longer only responding to the surface behavior. You are seeing the wisdom that has gone sideways and the confusion that is trying, however clumsily, to protect something real.

Piver frames this as a way of understanding one's own "operating system" and the operating systems of others (1:12 in her opening). That recognition is the path's gift: it lets us see patterns without collapsing into self-blame, and it lets us appreciate people whose strengths we will never fully share. The mandala does not resolve dualism. It gives a dualistic mind a place to stand while it learns to see more clearly.

Where to go from here

If the five families interest you, the most useful next step is to watch the episode itself, where Piver's examples of homes, clothing, and everyday moments make the abstractions concrete. Notice which family you identify with most readily, and which one you find hardest to recognize; that second answer is often where the teaching is most useful. You can also explore the Enneagram or astrology as parallel maps, which Piver mentions as comparable systems for tracking energy and pattern. For deeper, hands-on work, the teacher's description points to a four-hour online workshop, "Full Fathom Five: The Buddha Families & Creative Expression," led by Kevin Townley on November 14 at 11am ET, which explores how the difficult states of the families can fuel creative work, with time for artmaking in real time. Registration is listed at openheartproject.com/event/full-fathom-five-the-buddha-families-creative-expression/. The episode's closing segment also features a music discussion on Steve Cropper's guitar work on Booker T. & the M.G.'s "Green Onions," which Piver ties to the influence of Lowman Pauling, a fitting reminder that the families show up in art as much as in the meditation cushion.

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[0:06] Hello, my name is Susan Piver. I'm a

[0:08] writer and long-time practitioner and

[0:12] teacher of Buddhism.

[0:14] I've come to see that many people think

[0:15] of Buddhism and meditation practices

[0:18] associated with it like mindfulness as

[0:21] ways to reduce stress, but I would like

[0:24] to tell you that the Buddhist path is

[0:26] far more rich [music] than that. It is a

[0:29] way to wake up, to become liberated from

[0:31] suffering.

[0:32] And forget about enlightenment, it's

[0:34] also a way to live your everyday life

[0:37] >> [music]

[0:37] >> more fully and meaningfully.

[0:40] This podcast is to share with you

[0:42] classical Buddhist teachings that I have

[0:43] found enormously [music] beneficial and

[0:45] also to tell stories from my own life

[0:48] about how I applied [music]

[0:49] and misapplied these teachings. And I do

[0:52] want to tell you from my more than 30

[0:54] years of experience that the Dharma is

[0:56] real and it provides an extraordinarily

[1:00] nuanced, profound, and pragmatic

[1:04] guidebook to living [music] a life of

[1:07] wisdom, compassion, and courage.

[1:13] Many, if not all forms of Buddhism,

[1:15] describe a path to enlightenment and

[1:18] different forms describe different ways

[1:20] of traversing this path.

[1:23] But one thing they seem to all have in

[1:25] common, very broadly speaking,

[1:27] is that the whole thing is predicated on

[1:30] somehow going beyond dualistic thinking.

[1:35] Going beyond good and bad, black and

[1:37] white, up and down to perceive, I don't

[1:41] know what, being an un-enlightened

[1:42] person,

[1:43] the wholeness, the fulsomeness, the

[1:46] complete totality of something, I don't

[1:50] know what.

[1:51] But okay, so let's say we want to become

[1:54] enlightened and we we practicing some

[1:56] form of spirituality in order to attain

[2:00] non-dual view. And PS, every time I hear

[2:04] someone say something like, "I'm very

[2:06] into non-duality."

[2:08] I think

[2:09] uh probably not, because one can't be

[2:12] into this, because there is no one and

[2:16] not thing and no into. So, it's beyond

[2:19] conception, I think it's safe to say.

[2:22] Although, if you want to learn more

[2:23] about the direct teachings on

[2:26] non-duality,

[2:28] the Advaita tradition is renowned for

[2:33] teachings on non-duality. So, say we are

[2:36] interested in going beyond dualism.

[2:39] You can't think your way into

[2:41] non-dualism. You can't force yourself

[2:44] into non-dualism. You can't will a

[2:48] non-dualistic view, because there's

[2:51] always something arguing with something.

[2:54] There's never one thing, there's always

[2:56] two, me trying to see this.

[2:59] It's very confounding, I'm not going to

[3:00] argue otherwise.

[3:02] So, where do we begin? We who live in

[3:06] dualistic views, who can't imagine

[3:10] what is beyond or what includes up and

[3:13] down and in and out and all the

[3:16] opposites we can think of. Well, we can

[3:19] start with mandala principle.

[3:22] There are various mandalas or systems of

[3:25] seeing reality

[3:27] that sort of act as acetate overlays on

[3:32] top of the ephemeral that help us begin

[3:35] to map it, make sense of it, enter it

[3:38] using both our intelligence and our

[3:41] confusion

[3:43] as navigational devices. So, this may

[3:46] sound high-tone, I don't know, but I'm

[3:48] sure you have encountered various

[3:49] mandalas, systems that are meant to

[3:51] explain how reality works by dividing it

[3:55] into sort of sections. So, for example,

[3:58] astrology is a profound and beautiful

[4:02] and extraordinary mandala that explains

[4:05] the nature of energy, I think is one way

[4:08] of saying it. The enneagram, my personal

[4:10] favorite, is a mandala of numbers that

[4:14] creates an overlay of understanding on

[4:17] the energies that we find within

[4:19] ourselves and around ourselves. And

[4:21] these mandalas are extremely helpful. In

[4:24] Vajrayana Buddhism,

[4:26] one such mandala is called the five

[4:29] Buddha families or wisdoms, and these

[4:32] are a mandala of energies like astrology

[4:36] and the enneagram that describe five

[4:39] kinds of wisdom, each associated with

[4:43] five forms of neurosis,

[4:45] five directions, one of which is no

[4:48] direction,

[4:49] five skandhas or heaps or sources of

[4:53] confusion, which I'll explain in a

[4:55] moment. It can be very helpful in

[4:58] understanding your own operating system

[5:01] and the ways others operate in order to

[5:05] express more compassion both to yourself

[5:08] and others.

[5:09] So, we'll go through all five somewhat

[5:12] briefly, and then we'll have our podcast

[5:14] after-party where I will, for my own

[5:17] complete delight, play a song that I

[5:19] love and explain to you why. Please note

[5:21] that each of us possesses all five forms

[5:25] of wisdom, all five forms of neuroses.

[5:29] However, one of the forms is predominant

[5:31] for you, for me, for all beings, and

[5:34] quite often there's a second form of

[5:36] wisdom that is secondary.

[5:38] And then there's usually one, speaking

[5:40] from personal experience, that you know,

[5:43] I have no idea how that one works. So,

[5:45] the first family, the first wisdom is

[5:47] called Vajra. Vajra is a Sanskrit word

[5:51] that means indestructible,

[5:54] diamond-like.

[5:56] Vajra wisdom is associated with the

[5:58] direction east, where the sun is always

[6:00] rising, there's a sense of freshness in

[6:03] the morning. The element of water. Vajra

[6:06] energy is known for its sharpness,

[6:10] precision, crystalline qualities, and

[6:13] bracing coldness. It's not emotional

[6:16] coldness, but what we feel if we open

[6:19] our door in the morning and we're in our

[6:22] pajamas and we've just woken up and it's

[6:24] 25° out and the wind hits you. There's

[6:27] this sense of ah

[6:30] bracing, wakeful, somewhat verging on

[6:33] painful, completely unsleepy energy. So,

[6:37] Vajra people are known for their

[6:39] sharpness and precision. The

[6:41] unenlightened expression of this wisdom

[6:43] is anger,

[6:45] impatience,

[6:46] judgment, criticism.

[6:49] So, if you or someone you know tends to

[6:52] fall into anger or become highly

[6:56] critical when things aren't going their

[6:58] way, they may be in the Vajra family as

[7:01] it's called.

[7:02] The enlightened expression of this

[7:04] energy, the enlightened expression of

[7:07] anger, is called mirror-like

[7:10] wisdom.

[7:11] Like a sheet of ice that reflects

[7:15] perfectly whatever is in front of it.

[7:19] That's the brilliance of the Vajra

[7:21] family, the wisdom of seeing clearly,

[7:26] not even seeing, reflecting

[7:29] clearly exactly what is.

[7:33] Now, we move around the mandala a one

[7:35] click, as it were, from the east, where

[7:39] the Vajra family lives, to the south,

[7:42] where the Ratna family lives. R A T N A.

[7:46] This is associated as mentioned with the

[7:49] southern direction, with fertility,

[7:53] and richness,

[7:54] and golden light of high summer. The

[7:59] wisdom of the Ratna family is called the

[8:02] wisdom of equality, which doesn't mean

[8:05] seeing everything in a monotone or

[8:08] everything as equal. It means seeing the

[8:12] richness in all phenomena equally.

[8:16] Seeing the

[8:18] power and potential and capacity for

[8:23] wealth in all its forms

[8:25] in whatever is encountered. There's an

[8:28] attunement to richness and a capacity to

[8:32] be generous

[8:34] in the Ratna family that when it slips

[8:38] into its neurotic aspect becomes pride.

[8:42] The pride of my richness, the pride of

[8:45] my accumulations, my accomplishments, my

[8:48] thises and thats. This family by the

[8:51] way, the Ratna family is the one that I

[8:53] have the least feel for. I am the

[8:56] weakest in the wisdom of

[8:58] equality. However, I know people,

[9:01] Buddhist, not Buddhist, who don't talk

[9:04] about this wisdom, but demonstrate it.

[9:07] And if you've ever walked into someone's

[9:09] house

[9:10] where there are many things, something

[9:14] on every surface, every wall, shelves of

[9:17] items,

[9:18] fabrics on fabrics, bowls of things

[9:22] everywhere, and it looks beautiful, it

[9:24] looks harmonious, that is the quality of

[9:27] Ratna energy. Another example is if you

[9:31] see someone wearing like plaid pants and

[9:34] a striped shirt and a polka dot cap and

[9:36] you're like, "Wow, that looks good." But

[9:39] you know if you put it on, it would look

[9:40] ridiculous. There's that quality of

[9:43] bringing in the richness and wealth

[9:47] of textures and images and patterns in

[9:51] some way that looks beautiful. I could

[9:54] never do that. My house would look

[9:56] terrible if I tried to do that. My

[9:58] person would appear silly if I tried to

[10:01] wear such clothes. It is a particular

[10:04] gift and underlying capacity that some

[10:07] people have to demonstrate and offer and

[10:11] expect and express a kind of

[10:14] multi-textured,

[10:16] multi-faceted richness

[10:18] that is notable for its ratna-like

[10:22] qualities. I didn't give such examples

[10:24] for the vajra family, so let me just

[10:26] backtrack a little bit and do that. If

[10:28] you ever walk

[10:30] into someone's home, we'll use house.

[10:33] We'll use homes and clothes as examples

[10:35] again. And everything is kind of in its

[10:38] place.

[10:39] And

[10:41] there's a feeling of minimalism even if

[10:43] there's a lot of stuff going on. There's

[10:46] a sort of intentionality.

[10:49] And you can see everything here was

[10:52] chosen

[10:53] purposefully. This is an intentional

[10:55] environment whether it's got one thing

[10:58] in it or 100,000 things.

[11:01] And it feels calming and cooling to be

[11:05] there. You may be in the presence of

[11:08] vajra energy. [clears throat]

[11:09] I don't know anything about clothes.

[11:11] Let me just say that right up front. But

[11:13] if you look at

[11:14] a designer like

[11:16] Yohji Yamamoto, I think.

[11:19] There's

[11:20] proportion and flow

[11:23] and a graphic quality

[11:27] that is very distinct. And that

[11:31] distinctness is a kind of Vajra quality.

[11:34] You can also see it very clearly if you

[11:38] look at images in person or online or in

[11:41] a photograph

[11:42] of glaciers.

[11:44] There are countless shades of

[11:46] blue and white and gray and maybe even

[11:51] some purple and it all communicates the

[11:54] same thing, something sharp and icy and

[11:58] coldly beautiful.

[12:00] These are some qualities you might

[12:03] think of when you think of the Vajra

[12:04] family.

[12:05] We talked about the Ratnas. Now we'll

[12:07] move one click

[12:09] over to the west where the Padma family

[12:13] lives, p a d m a. Padma means lotus.

[12:16] It is associated with the direction west

[12:19] where the sun is setting and there's

[12:23] as opposed to the Vajra family in the

[12:25] east where there's a freshness in the

[12:27] morning and everything's just beginning

[12:30] in the west

[12:32] in the Padma family, there's a sense of

[12:34] day is turning to night. I can sort of

[12:38] loosen up a little bit. Things I might

[12:40] not want to do in the broad light of

[12:42] day, I could consider now in the dusky

[12:47] light of a dawning evening.

[12:50] I know that's mixing metaphors.

[12:52] It's a time when you sort of soften. The

[12:55] day is done.

[12:57] You may look around for now, what can I

[12:59] do

[13:01] for enjoyment? What is pleasurable? Can

[13:04] I go out? Can I have a cocktail? Can I

[13:06] just lie down on the couch? And the

[13:09] Padma family is known for its qualities

[13:12] of sort of softness and seduction and

[13:16] magnetizing.

[13:18] It's associated as mentioned with the

[13:20] direction west, the color red as opposed

[13:23] to Ratna yellow and Vajra white.

[13:26] And if the neurotic expression of Vajra

[13:29] is anger, and the neurotic expression of

[13:32] Ratna is pride,

[13:35] the neurotic expression of the Padma

[13:37] people, of which I am one,

[13:39] is grasping,

[13:41] longing, need, and reaching out to you,

[13:46] not you in particular, but you generally

[13:48] speaking,

[13:49] for connection.

[13:51] Then I can see myself. Then I can know

[13:54] what's happening.

[13:55] Then I can

[13:57] exhale. This is the neurotic expression

[14:00] of Padma energy, grasping and neediness,

[14:03] and sort of unfairly seductive, like,

[14:07] "Look at me. I have something you want.

[14:09] Come on. I'll give you something if you

[14:11] give me something." I don't know,

[14:13] whatever, however one might describe

[14:14] seduction.

[14:15] And the enlightened wisdom of the Padma

[14:19] family is called discriminating

[14:21] awareness. So, because Padma people, my

[14:25] brother and my sister, live in the realm

[14:28] of longing,

[14:29] there's an attunement to what might meet

[14:33] that longing and what doesn't.

[14:36] And that attunement becomes ever more

[14:39] fine and sensitive until it is released

[14:43] as an expression of self-interest

[14:46] and blossoms into discriminating

[14:50] awareness, or the ability to feel

[14:54] finely into all phenomena, not just what

[14:58] I want or what I think I need, but I can

[15:01] discern, I can have discriminating

[15:03] awareness

[15:05] in the realm of emotion, sensation,

[15:09] thought processes, creative work,

[15:12] conversations. There's an ability to

[15:14] sense

[15:16] finely the nuance in all things.

[15:21] So, I remember once

[15:24] uh long ago I was

[15:26] redesigning or designing, I don't know

[15:28] what, my website

[15:31] back in the day

[15:32] and we were talking about a color scheme

[15:34] and I happened to really like then and I

[15:37] still like the sort of coral and

[15:39] chartreuse

[15:40] that combination. I like it when I see

[15:42] coral next to chartreuse. I like it when

[15:44] I see both of those next to turquoise. I

[15:47] don't know why. There's times in my life

[15:48] where I don't like that.

[15:50] And then there're times where I do. I

[15:52] don't know what governs these color

[15:53] preferences. But the designer, who was

[15:56] quite wonderful, came back with a color

[15:58] palette that was coral and chartreuse

[16:01] and we spent quite a bit of time talking

[16:03] about the degree of orange in the coral

[16:07] versus the degree of red. That's what I

[16:10] mean by discriminating awareness. It can

[16:12] be

[16:13] picky and persnickety and silly but it

[16:15] also indicates a sort of I see the

[16:18] difference between 47% orange and 22%

[16:23] orange.

[16:24] And

[16:26] for better or worse, I'm familiar with

[16:27] that capacity. So, if you walk into a

[16:30] Padma person's house

[16:32] not mine, by the way, but generally

[16:34] speaking for purposes of illustration

[16:37] there may be a lot of soft things to

[16:40] recline upon

[16:41] pleasing color palettes that are

[16:44] inviting rather than declarative

[16:48] like perhaps the color palette of a Vata

[16:50] family person, it may be

[16:53] declaring something specific. This Padma

[16:56] energy doesn't declare, it invites.

[17:00] It magnetizes.

[17:03] So

[17:04] the lighting may be soft and

[17:08] there will be attention to beauty, what

[17:10] is beautiful to that Padma person.

[17:13] And in the realm of clothing, these are

[17:15] broad overgeneralizations and I don't

[17:18] dress like this myself, though I am a

[17:19] Padma person.

[17:21] There may be flowing garments, soft

[17:25] fabrics, things that emphasize form

[17:29] or hide form in a

[17:32] inviting way.

[17:34] An attention to drape

[17:36] and proportion

[17:39] that is

[17:41] pleasing or displeasing depending on

[17:43] your eyeball.

[17:45] So now, one click around to the north

[17:49] is the Karma family. And Karma here

[17:52] doesn't mean the what goes around comes

[17:54] around kind. Here Karma

[17:57] is meant

[17:59] by its definition as action.

[18:02] The Karma family, associated with the

[18:05] direction north as mentioned, the color

[18:06] green

[18:08] and the neurotic

[18:11] expression of the Karma family is speed.

[18:15] The Karma people, and this is my second

[18:18] family, I'm a Padma Karma person, are

[18:20] focused on getting bleep done.

[18:24] How do you get it done? What's the

[18:26] shortest distance?

[18:27] Where are the shortcuts? What steps can

[18:29] I eliminate?

[18:30] Okay, now what? Let's keep it moving,

[18:32] y'all.

[18:34] Let's not waste time. Let's not go in

[18:36] circles here. Let's keep our eye on the

[18:37] ball. Let's move forward. Let's get

[18:40] there.

[18:41] I'm already there, halfway.

[18:43] There's an attunement to

[18:46] efficiency and accomplishment as I think

[18:48] I mentioned, and getting things done.

[18:51] The neurotic aspect, again as mentioned,

[18:54] is speed and jealousy. Why are you

[18:56] getting there faster than me?

[18:58] But the enlightened wisdom

[19:00] of the Karma family is called

[19:02] all-accomplishing

[19:03] wisdom.

[19:04] These are people who can

[19:07] do what they set out to do.

[19:10] They can accomplish. They can meet the

[19:12] goal. They can cross the finish line.

[19:15] Most of us are like, well, yeah, it's

[19:16] probably a good idea. I'll get around to

[19:18] it. But the karma people are like,

[19:20] here's the charts, here's the graphs.

[19:22] We're leaving tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. You

[19:24] better be ready. And this may sound

[19:27] prosaic compared to, say, discriminating

[19:30] awareness or mirror-like wisdom. But

[19:33] the ability to accomplish in the

[19:35] phenomenal world is an extraordinary

[19:38] spiritual skill.

[19:40] Because most of us get lost in feelings.

[19:44] Not that feelings are bad, but we shame

[19:45] ourselves or we doubt ourselves. And the

[19:49] karma people will just keep going.

[19:52] And when this is in service of a

[19:54] profound destination, the destination of

[19:57] enlightenment, of compassion, of true

[20:00] wisdom, of power that is protective,

[20:05] we want the karma people leading the

[20:07] charge. My own meditation teacher told

[20:09] me this story, and he's told it to other

[20:12] people, so I feel that it's fair to say.

[20:14] He's not a karma person by his own

[20:16] admission, but I feel a lot of karma

[20:18] energy in him.

[20:20] And he started Shambhala Publications,

[20:23] a truly extraordinary publishing house

[20:26] of the last 50 years.

[20:27] And he was a close student of the

[20:31] mysterious and extraordinary and

[20:33] controversial and who knows who that guy

[20:35] was, Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche,

[20:38] who said to him, here's how you're going

[20:39] to make your business successful.

[20:42] Get up in the morning,

[20:44] put on your best suit,

[20:47] go into the office,

[20:49] sit at your desk,

[20:51] and wait.

[20:54] Don't do anything.

[20:56] And yet he built the most extraordinary

[20:58] Buddhist and spiritual books publishing

[21:00] house probably in the history of

[21:02] publishing in the West, anyway.

[21:05] And my sense was that

[21:08] he could sit there and whatever came his

[21:11] way, he would

[21:13] know what to do with it. He would put

[21:15] this one down. He would throw this one

[21:16] up. He would put this in a drawer. He

[21:18] would put these two things together. He

[21:20] would say no to this and yes to that.

[21:22] And he would know on the spot what to do

[21:25] with what he encountered. And karma

[21:27] energy has the profound capacity to know

[21:31] what to do

[21:33] with what is encountered. And when it is

[21:37] in service of the karma neurosis, speed

[21:40] and the anxiety of I need to get more

[21:42] things done, then it becomes anxiety and

[21:46] speed and unpleasant for all. But when

[21:49] it is in the service of the journey to

[21:51] liberation, for example, or the

[21:53] Bodhisattva path,

[21:55] the karma person can take whatever is

[21:59] thrown at them and convert it into the

[22:02] next step on the path.

[22:05] That is

[22:06] freaking awesome. Let's just say that.

[22:09] So, to continue with the examples of

[22:12] homes and clothing, if you walk into a

[22:13] karma person's home, again broad

[22:16] overgeneralizations,

[22:18] everything in there probably has a

[22:19] purpose.

[22:21] There's no piles of uh we're not sure

[22:22] what that is. We'll look at it someday.

[22:25] There may be the best

[22:27] espresso machine,

[22:29] the best

[22:30] light fixtures in the hallway. When I

[22:32] think of the karma energy in terms of

[22:34] environment, I think of things that are

[22:37] a a little hard, a little shiny, not in

[22:40] a pleasing or displeasing way,

[22:43] but

[22:45] for example, in this house that I'm

[22:47] sitting in right now, my personal home,

[22:49] we just bought it 6 months ago,

[22:51] and the people that we bought it from

[22:54] were very accomplished. They'd

[22:57] done a lot of things. One of them was a

[22:59] lawyer and an author and an activist and

[23:02] the head of a charity,

[23:04] and an art collector. This is just one

[23:06] of the people in the couple did all

[23:07] these things. So, that's a lot of karma

[23:09] energy. I'm doing all these things, and

[23:11] they're all important, and she seemed to

[23:12] do them all extremely well. I saw her

[23:15] books, you know, she wrote cookbooks. I

[23:17] saw them in the kitchen.

[23:19] One of my first feelings in trying to

[23:22] inhabit this house

[23:24] for myself and my partner, to make it

[23:25] our house, was

[23:27] one of the first things I noticed was

[23:28] everything was hard

[23:31] and shiny.

[23:32] The countertops were granite. I mean,

[23:34] that's very nice. Thank you all very

[23:35] much. The tiles on the floor were

[23:37] ceramic, black and white, big tiles, not

[23:41] little penny tiles, but so they're quite

[23:44] startling, at least to this eyeball.

[23:47] And there were very few things that were

[23:49] soft. There were very few like natural

[23:52] fibers or things made of wood or

[23:56] linen or textiles

[23:59] that I like. So, one of my first

[24:02] encounters with this household was how

[24:05] can I soften it? That's more pleasing to

[24:06] me. But that's an example of a karma

[24:09] household. There everything was kind of

[24:11] to me sharp.

[24:14] In terms of dress,

[24:18] what comes to my mind is

[24:20] usually pretty conventional.

[24:23] The Padma people may have plumage. The

[24:26] Ratna people may be wearing 19 patterns.

[24:29] The Karma people um dressed for the

[24:31] occasion.

[24:32] This is what I wear when I go to work.

[24:34] This is what I wear when I go work out.

[24:37] I just want it to work.

[24:39] If it looks good to others, I'm happy. I

[24:42] don't want to stand out and look silly.

[24:45] I want to look impressive. I want to

[24:47] look like I've made it in some kind of

[24:50] conventional way. So, these are all over

[24:54] generalizations. I know I've said that.

[24:55] Okay. Now, onto the final family, the

[24:58] fifth family called Buddha, and Buddha

[25:02] here means awake, doesn't refer to the

[25:05] historic being called Buddha. It refers

[25:08] to the energy of wakefulness itself.

[25:11] The Buddha family resides in the center,

[25:14] which is not in any direction,

[25:17] and it's not associated with any color.

[25:19] It's colorless.

[25:21] It expresses

[25:24] the energy of wakefulness, which is

[25:27] synonymous with the energy of complete

[25:31] spaciousness.

[25:34] Endless space.

[25:36] In fact, the wisdom of the Buddha family

[25:39] is called all-accommodating

[25:42] wisdom.

[25:44] Anything

[25:45] and everything fits, has a place, can be

[25:50] accommodated, can be welcomed.

[25:53] It's a beautiful energy.

[25:55] The neurotic expression of the Buddha

[25:56] energy is spacey, not spacious.

[26:01] Difficulty in focusing, hard to make a

[26:04] decision,

[26:05] easily lost in non-essentials,

[26:09] paying attention to the wrong things,

[26:13] or the things that delay movement, but

[26:17] maybe of momentary interest.

[26:19] One of my very favorite musicians, in

[26:21] fact, the very musician who composed the

[26:25] intro and outro music for this very

[26:27] podcast,

[26:28] I know him very well, and to me, he has

[26:31] a lot of Buddha energy in a way that

[26:34] makes him an exceptional musician.

[26:38] Because

[26:40] the kind of music that he plays is 95%

[26:43] of the time played live,

[26:45] and involves improvisation.

[26:49] And the Buddha energy is gifted at

[26:52] improvisation

[26:53] because it's not planted anywhere

[26:57] specific.

[26:58] It's everywhere and so it can respond to

[27:02] anything, to what it encounters unless

[27:05] it gets lost in some non-essential

[27:06] detail. There's a creative gift in the

[27:09] Buddha energy

[27:11] that

[27:12] when it finds its form, a form for its

[27:16] expression can surpass

[27:19] anything we might expect for that art

[27:21] form. If you walk into a Buddha person's

[27:24] house

[27:25] Okay, I'm going to be honest here with

[27:26] you all. It might be a little messy.

[27:29] It might be a little

[27:31] piles of stuff.

[27:32] It could be kind of disorganized and

[27:35] depending on the Buddha person, it can

[27:36] be the joy of ease and

[27:41] non uptight, relaxed household or it can

[27:45] be like uh I'm not sure I want to

[27:48] eat in there.

[27:49] >> [gasps]

[27:49] >> It may be a little messy, maybe like

[27:51] details have not been paid attention to.

[27:54] And when details are not paid attention

[27:56] to because of spaciness, then it starts

[27:59] to feel unpleasant in there

[28:02] to everybody including the Buddha

[28:03] person, I imagine.

[28:05] But when details are softened around

[28:09] with a sense of accommodation and we can

[28:12] relax here, we know where things go and

[28:14] we're going to put them back

[28:16] but we can also be

[28:18] at peace with the way things are

[28:21] can be an extremely inviting and

[28:23] comforting

[28:25] and healing environment.

[28:28] So this is my take on the five Buddha

[28:31] families, a very cursory take. I hope

[28:34] you find it useful, of course.

[28:36] And now for the podcast after party.

[28:43] >> [music]

[28:46] >> Last week, in the last episode, I talked

[28:48] to you about a guitar player named

[28:50] Lowman Pauling, who was the band leader

[28:54] and guitar player

[28:56] for a doo-wop, gospelly, early rock and

[28:59] roll feel band called The Five Royales.

[29:03] He had an exceptional guitar style,

[29:05] stinging and spare.

[29:08] And he wasn't strumming guitar chords

[29:11] necessarily

[29:13] to hold the melody, although he did that

[29:15] certainly, but to emphasize pieces of

[29:18] the composition. You would hear the

[29:20] sting of his

[29:22] single note or chord

[29:25] guitar

[29:26] riffs and fills, and they're

[29:29] mesmerizing.

[29:30] And okay, if you missed that, go back

[29:32] and listen to it, or you could just

[29:34] Google the song Think by The Five

[29:37] Royales.

[29:38] And this week I want to play you a song

[29:41] that probably almost everybody knows

[29:43] about or everybody

[29:45] over 50 or something, or anybody who's

[29:48] ever listened to the radio, where

[29:51] the guitar playing

[29:53] of Steve Cropper is highlighted, and he

[29:56] was vastly influenced by Lowman Pauling,

[29:59] and the song is called Green Onions by

[30:02] Booker T. and the M.G.'s.

[30:04] And I know it's a standard all over the

[30:07] place. I mean, not standard that all

[30:09] sorts of people play, but it's a song

[30:11] that's been played a billion million

[30:12] times.

[30:14] And if you don't know what I did, the

[30:15] second you hear it, you'll be like, "Oh,

[30:16] yeah, I've heard that."

[30:19] Booker T. and the M.G.'s

[30:21] were a great band from Memphis

[30:25] starting in the '60s, probably

[30:27] mid-to-late '60s. Anyway, in the '60s

[30:30] sometime, and then they were together

[30:33] for years and years.

[30:36] And they also produced other artists

[30:38] from Memphis during that time, and

[30:41] they're influential, seminal,

[30:44] important legendary, heroic figures.

[30:48] Bukka White,

[30:49] thank goodness, is still around. And I

[30:52] heard him play at Antone's in Austin,

[30:54] Texas, where he used to be a bartender

[30:56] in the '90s,

[30:57] maybe 6 months ago, and I heard him a

[31:00] year or two before that, and he is

[31:03] completely

[31:04] better than ever.

[31:06] I think he's like 80.

[31:07] He's not as old as you might think,

[31:09] but he's up there, and he's

[31:12] a true musician. And

[31:15] parenthetically, I recently read his

[31:17] autobiography, Time Is Tight,

[31:20] and it's an amazing life that he has

[31:22] had.

[31:24] Really worth reading.

[31:25] A lot of Buddha energy in

[31:27] the way it's written,

[31:29] by the way.

[31:30] The guitar player, Steve Cropper, I'm

[31:32] just not going to say too much about it,

[31:34] but if you listen to Think by the Five

[31:37] Royals, and then immediately hit play on

[31:40] Green Onions, and wait about a minute

[31:42] in, minute and 10 seconds or so, and you

[31:45] hear him filling

[31:47] with guitar riffs,

[31:50] emphasizing spaces in the composition,

[31:54] you're like, I can't I can't hear enough

[31:56] of that. I want to hear that for the

[31:57] rest of my life.

[31:59] I want to keep hearing Steve Cropper

[32:01] play his guitar riffs on Green Onions.

[32:04] So, Steve Cropper, and therefore Lowman

[32:06] Pauling, then went on to influence

[32:09] the next generation of guitar players,

[32:11] such as

[32:13] Eric Clapton. I think Jimi Hendrix,

[32:16] at some point, was connected to that

[32:19] Memphis scene.

[32:20] If you ever listen to Tom Petty and the

[32:22] Heartbreakers,

[32:24] the guitar player, Mike Campbell, I

[32:26] don't know if he would say

[32:28] Lowman Pauling or Steve Cropper was an

[32:29] influence, but he has that stinging,

[32:31] spare style that just

[32:35] makes the music composition rise like

[32:38] yeast. It suddenly it just rises because

[32:40] of these guitar fills and solos and I

[32:43] love his guitar playing.

[32:45] And Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top, who I

[32:48] happened to hear play

[32:50] last night at Antone's in a three-piece.

[32:53] We may think of ZZ Top as a band that

[32:55] had hits in the '80s and so on and that

[32:57] would be correct. And we may think legs

[33:00] and La Grange, which kills me. I love

[33:02] that song.

[33:04] He is a MF guitar player,

[33:06] unsurprisingly. And to hear him play

[33:09] last night, I just kept thinking Steve

[33:11] Cropper, Steve Cropper, as well as other

[33:14] forms of guitar, but it's just this

[33:17] blazing quality

[33:19] to his playing.

[33:21] I would use the word blazing

[33:24] to talk about Lowell George Pauling and

[33:26] Steve Cropper

[33:27] and some Eric Clapton and last night's

[33:30] Billy Gibbons.

[33:32] So, please enjoy listening and I'll see

[33:34] you next time. Catch you on the flip

[33:36] side.

[33:41] >> [music]

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[36:05] [music]

[36:25] >> Oh.

[36:30] Oh.

[36:33] Oh.

[36:36] Oh.

[36:39] Oh.

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The Five Buddha Families are a mandala of five kinds of wisdom, each paired with a form of confusion, a direction, and an element. Susan Piver describes Vajra, Ratna, Padma, Karma, and Buddha as overlays that help people map their own patterns and those of others. Each family has an enlightened expression of wisdom and a neurotic expression when that wisdom becomes distorted.
Piver links Vajra to sharpness, precision, and a bracing, crystalline clarity. Its confused form is anger, impatience, judgment, and criticism, while its enlightened form is mirror-like wisdom, reflecting exactly what is in front of it. The idea is that the same energy that flares into anger can, when undistorted, see reality clearly.
Piver explains the wisdom of equality as seeing the richness, power, and potential in all phenomena equally, not flattening everything into sameness. The Ratna family is associated with the south, richness, and generosity, and its neurotic form is pride. She offers examples of harmonious, abundant homes and clothing as expressions of this quality.
Piver argues that non-dualism cannot be thought into existence or forced through willpower, because there is always something arguing with something. Her approach is to use mandalas as navigational tools that help a dualistic mind work with its own confusion and intelligence. The map supports practice rather than replacing direct experience.
The Buddha family represents spaciousness and wakefulness, but Piver notes it can express itself as unfocused, drifting, and spacey when distorted. The enlightened form is open and unbounded awareness, while the confused form lacks precision and edge. She suggests people strong in this energy may need the sharpness of Vajra or the direction of Karma to bring their vision into the world.
By recognizing that someone's anger, pride, restlessness, or drift can be a distorted form of a real wisdom, you respond to the underlying energy rather than only the surface behavior. Piver frames this as understanding your own operating system and others' operating systems, which supports both self-compassion and compassion for others.

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