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The Wounds We Carry: How Early Loss Shapes Anxiety in Love

Peter Crone
Peter Crone
Oct 7, 2026
9 min read
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When Shaune was thirteen, his father—a long-distance truck driver with whom he'd shared a close bond—abruptly disappeared from his life after an affair with his mother's best friend. He never saw him again. That gut-wrenching moment didn't just wound a boy; it became the template through which Shaune would interpret every significant relationship for the next thirty years. Decades later, despite building a successful career, finding what he describes as "the love of my life," and achieving stability that many would envy, he finds himself trapped in a familiar pattern: always waiting for the other shoe to drop, haunted by the sensation that something terrible is about to happen. This is the landscape Peter Crone and Shaune explore in a raw and unflinching conversation about how early abandonment can metastasize into chronic anxiety and anxious attachment—and what it actually takes to rewire that fear.

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When Loss Becomes the Operating System

Shaune's story is deceptively simple on the surface but devastating in its layering. At thirteen, his father left. But the wound didn't end there. Between ages thirteen and sixteen, while his father remained absent, his mother brought home a man who would prove emotionally and verbally abusive—jealous of her attention to her son, controlling, manipulative. The abuser would later have a ten-year affair behind her back. Then, at twenty-eight, Shaune learned that his sister didn't share his father. When his biological sister's father—a different man entirely—returned from Canada to reunite with Shaune's mother, Shaune watched a family coalesce around that reunion. He was left on the outside: the child without a father in a house now organized around a father's return.

Peter Crone recognizes immediately what has been wired into Shaune's nervous system across these years. It's not just grief or sadness—it's a fundamental belief about his own worth and the reliability of the world. As Crone observes, the body carries the interpretation: I am not wanted. I am abandoned. I cannot trust that what I love will stay.

When Shaune describes his current relationship, the anxiety emerges not as doubt about his partner's character but as a constant, low-grade terror about what will inevitably be taken from him. "I am always waiting for something to happen," he tells Crone. "When's the shoe going to drop? When's the next thing going to happen?" He identifies as a positive individual, yet lives inside a cloud of anticipatory dread. His body manifests it as anxiety that "can be debilitating a little bit." That phrase—the quiet admission of a man who has learned to function despite suffering—is the central paradox Crone helps him examine.

The Architecture of Anxious Attachment

Crone's genius in this conversation is his refusal to treat Shaune's anxiety as an abstract problem requiring abstract solutions. Instead, he traces the actual mechanics of how early abandonment rewires the brain and body to generate ongoing fear.

The mechanism is this: a child experiences a profound loss or abandonment. The child's mind, still developing and without the cognitive tools to contextualize the event, interprets it personally. My father left because something is wrong with me. My mother chose a cruel man over my safety. I am not worth protecting. These aren't conscious thoughts; they're somatic conclusions encoded in the nervous system. The body learns: safety is an illusion. People I love will disappear. I must be vigilant.

From that programming, anxious attachment emerges as a survival strategy. Shaune becomes hypervigilant in relationships—constantly scanning for signs of withdrawal, rejection, or abandonment. He may become a people-pleaser, hedging against conflict by absorbing others' needs. He may oscillate between clinging and pushing away, caught in the paradox of desperately wanting closeness while fearing it will prove his worst suspicion: that he's unworthy of being kept.

Crone pushes deeper into the shame layer: the belief that Shaune isn't just unlucky but fundamentally flawed. "The person who's not worthy of being chosen," as Crone frames it, reflecting back what Shaune carries. That self-conception doesn't announce itself as despair; it masquerades as realism, prudence, even maturity. I know better than to expect good things to last. It feels like wisdom. It feels like protection.

The Trap of Performative Positivity

One of the most striking moments in the conversation occurs when Crone notices a subtle dissonance in Shaune's presentation. Shaune describes himself as "a positive individual," yet simultaneously admits to constant anxiety and the exhausting vigilance required to manage a partner's potential departure. Crone gently points out the split: the part of Shaune that has learned to function, to achieve, to appear fine—and the part of Shaune that is terrified.

This is where many people get stuck. They develop what psychologists call a "false self"—the high-functioning version that succeeds at work, maintains friendships, and appears stable. Meanwhile, the wounded part remains hidden, generating fear signals the conscious mind can't quite explain. The body knows something the persona denies. And the cost is exhaustion: the constant work of holding the two selves separate, of performing okayness while the nervous system screams danger.

Crone identifies the core belief driving this split: If I let anyone see what I really feel, they will leave. So Shaune became excellent at managing his interior world, at being what others needed, at never showing the scared child still waiting for his father to come home. This works until it doesn't—until the effort of maintenance begins to hollow out the relationship he's trying so hard to keep.

Reframing the Lens: From Victim to Conscious Witness

The turning point in Crone's approach isn't to convince Shaune that his father's departure wasn't his fault (a common therapeutic move that rarely lands). Instead, Crone invites Shaune to examine the interpretation his child mind made of that event and to recognize it as an interpretation, not a fact.

This distinction is crucial. Shaune cannot change what happened at thirteen. His father did leave. That's a fact. But the meaning Shaune assigned to it—I am unlovable; I am not worth staying for; I will be abandoned again—is not a fact. It's a story the frightened child told to make sense of an incomprehensible betrayal. And that story, once encoded, runs like malware in his adult consciousness.

Crone pushes Shaune to look directly at this operating belief and ask: Is it true? Not "Is it true that my father left?" (yes). But "Is it true that I am unworthy? Is it true that I cannot be loved and kept?" When Shaune sits with these questions, he begins to see the distinction between his history and his present circumstances. He has a partner who loves him. He has built a life. He is wanted—even if the thirteen-year-old inside doesn't quite believe it yet.

The Body Remembers What the Mind Forgets

One of the most liberating insights Crone offers is this: the anxiety Shaune feels is not a character flaw or a sign that something is wrong with him. It's evidence of an adaptation. His nervous system learned to be afraid because, in his childhood, there was legitimate danger. The anxiety was once protective. It kept him alert, kept him from trusting too soon, kept him from being blindsided again.

But that protection has become a prison. In his current relationship with a loving woman, that same vigilance that once kept him safe is now corroding intimacy. He cannot fully relax into being loved because part of him is still braced for impact.

This is where the work becomes embodied, not merely intellectual. Knowing that your anxiety stems from childhood abandonment is not the same as healing it. The nervous system doesn't learn through insight alone; it learns through safety, through repeated experiences of being with someone and not being abandoned, through gradually expanding the window of tolerance for closeness.

The Paradox of Waiting for the Other Shoe

Crone names something Shaune lives but may not have articulated: the exhausting vigilance of waiting for catastrophe. It's not that Shaune consciously fears his partner will leave. It's that part of him is always prepared for it, always scanning, always ready to absorb the blow. He lives with one foot already out the door, protecting himself from the pain of being left by ensuring he's never fully arrived.

This creates a strange self-fulfilling loop. The partner senses the guardedness, the emotional reservation, and may withdraw in response—not because of anything they've done but because human beings need reciprocal vulnerability. So Shaune's protective strategy inadvertently creates the very abandonment he fears. The shoe doesn't drop because his partner stops showing up; it drops because Shaune's fear has made genuine intimacy impossible.

The path out, Crone suggests, is paradoxical: it requires the opposite of protection. It requires showing up fully, being vulnerable, risking rejection not because the risk isn't real but because the alternative—a life of managed distance and performed okayness—is its own form of death.

Where to Go From Here

The conversation between Peter Crone and Shaune doesn't offer a quick fix—there isn't one. Thirty years of conditioning doesn't dissolve in an hour. But it does offer a map: first, recognizing the story your nervous system tells about yourself and whether that story is actually true in the present. Second, understanding that anxiety isn't a sign something is wrong with you; it's evidence that your system is still protecting you from an old wound. Third, distinguishing between the facts of your history and the interpretations you've built around them. And finally, the willingness to tolerate the vulnerability required to test whether the world you live in now is actually as dangerous as the world you survived then.

For anyone living with anxious attachment, chronic fear of abandonment, or the exhausting performance of positivity while the nervous system screams danger, the question Crone poses is direct: Is the interpretation you made as a child actually true now? And if not, what becomes possible when you're willing to find out?

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[0:00] Hi, this is Peter Cone and you're

[0:02] listening to finding freedom. In this

[0:04] episode, I get to speak to Sha in the UK

[0:06] on a topic that I feel plagues the

[0:08] majority of human beings, which is the

[0:10] belief that you are not where you're

[0:12] meant to be and as a result have not

[0:14] accomplished as much as you should have,

[0:16] resulting in a feeling of exhaustion, a

[0:18] lack of fulfillment, and perhaps worse,

[0:20] the concern that it's going to continue,

[0:22] which gives you the impression of a

[0:24] future with worst case scenarios and a

[0:26] feeling of mild to severe constant

[0:28] anxiety. If you feel that you might

[0:30] perhaps not quite be who you are or

[0:33] where you should be, then this

[0:34] conversation is for you. And I hope just

[0:36] like we see with Sean that it will

[0:38] remove all fear or anxiety and help you

[0:40] to find more freedom.

[0:43] >> First of all, thank you for the

[0:44] opportunity. I've um watched a lot of

[0:47] your content, probably too much to be

[0:48] honest, but I've watched a lot of it.

[0:50] And uh yeah, to to be here with you is a

[0:53] you know, a great opportunity and I

[0:54] really want to thank you for the time

[0:55] that you've given me to do this.

[0:57] >> You're welcome. Thank you for the kind

[0:58] words.

[0:59] >> Yeah, for sure. Um, yeah. So, I think

[1:02] for me personally, the main issues that

[1:03] I've been dealing with for I mean

[1:05] decades is like a bit of selfworth, bit

[1:09] of self-confidence, and then and then

[1:11] the fear of loss, fear of abandonment,

[1:13] and then with that an anxious attachment

[1:15] style that's come from that.

[1:17] >> Yeah. [snorts]

[1:17] >> So, I came I grew up in Paul Dorset,

[1:19] southwest coast of England. happy

[1:21] family, mother, dad, mother, father, for

[1:24] uh older sister. And basically, uh my

[1:27] dad was a long distance truck driver,

[1:29] very close relationship for the you

[1:31] know, the first decade or whatever. And

[1:32] when but basically when I turned 13, he

[1:34] had an affair with my mom's best friend.

[1:37] And I never saw him again. That was that

[1:39] was the last time I ever saw him.

[1:41] >> Got it.

[1:41] >> That was like a very like gut-wrenching

[1:43] thing to go through as a 13-year-old to

[1:45] have a very happy family.

[1:47] >> Yeah. Um, and then have that uh

[1:49] experience with your dad. I mean, I get

[1:51] emotional talking about it. I will try

[1:52] and keep

[1:52] >> That's okay. This is why we're here.

[1:54] We're we're here. Listen, I can already

[1:56] tell what's going on in your body. I

[1:58] want you to relax. You're in a safe

[1:59] space. You can have all the emotions you

[2:01] want. Some of the stories you probably

[2:02] heard are, you know, not to in any way

[2:05] dismiss yours, but

[2:06] >> yeah,

[2:07] >> you know, people are sharing some really

[2:09] very human but very tragic stories, and

[2:11] I'm I'm here for it. We're all here. So,

[2:14] you you feel whatever you feel. You're a

[2:16] you're a beautiful sensitive man and I I

[2:18] want to encourage you to, you know, not

[2:20] deny that. Okay. It's safe here.

[2:22] >> Yeah. And then there's the other

[2:24] listening to you about the about the

[2:25] Navy still saying deal with it and I'm

[2:27] like sure deal with it and then but you

[2:29] know you have to like lean into it and

[2:31] understand where it's coming from.

[2:32] Right.

[2:32] >> Yeah. So so my dad left um at 13 years

[2:36] of age never saw him again.

[2:38] >> He actually died about two or three

[2:40] months ago. Um I did reach out to him

[2:43] once in a very brief conversation just

[2:45] before that. Um but obviously I think

[2:48] throughout my whole life I suppressed

[2:50] that and I thought you know it didn't

[2:51] matter you know I it was okay. Um

[2:55] >> but I'll go back to that story. So that

[2:56] so he left at uh 13 and then my mom's

[2:59] next partner was basically an abusive

[3:01] man. Terrible terrible abusive man to a

[3:04] to a child basically in terms of just

[3:06] like bullying and things like that. I

[3:08] actually left home at 16 and I went off

[3:11] to join um get get straight out in the

[3:14] workforce and I had a very uh good great

[3:17] opportunity to work for a very

[3:18] successful well-known cosmetic company

[3:21] um which became another family to me in

[3:23] a way.

[3:24] >> Okay.

[3:25] >> Yeah. And so basically the UK company

[3:27] got transferred over to the Canadian

[3:29] side of it. So that was another loss in

[3:31] a way. Even though it was a a company,

[3:34] the people to be transferred somewhere

[3:36] else was like another loss. So there is

[3:38] that abandonment and fear of loss thing

[3:41] that really creeps into my life.

[3:42] Specifically in relationships, it

[3:44] happens.

[3:44] >> Okay.

[3:45] >> When I'm in a relationship and I'm in a

[3:46] new relationship now with a beautiful

[3:48] woman. She's the love of my life to be

[3:49] honest with you. So but I do find that I

[3:52] am al always waiting for something to

[3:54] happen. And then that sense of anxiety

[3:57] in me that you know when's the shoe

[3:58] going to drop? when's the next what's

[4:00] going to happen, so to speak. So, I, you

[4:03] know, although I'm a positive

[4:04] individual, I definitely think I'm

[4:05] coming from a a place of fear and that

[4:08] really manifests in my body as like

[4:12] as anxiety um can be debilitating a

[4:15] little bit. Um

[4:16] >> Yeah.

[4:17] >> Yeah. And it definitely has a big effect

[4:18] as well.

[4:19] >> Yeah.

[4:20] >> And then just one more piece to add to

[4:21] the story as well is that

[4:23] >> Sure. Before I left the UK, um when I

[4:26] was about 28, I found out that my sister

[4:32] um we didn't share the same father.

[4:34] Basically, didn't and and so the real

[4:37] dad came back from Canada, actually over

[4:40] to the UK to be with my mom. And so all

[4:42] of a sudden, there was this happy family

[4:44] for my sister and that now has her dad

[4:46] back and then this family. And I just

[4:48] felt like, okay, well, I'm on the

[4:50] outskirts cuz I don't have a dad and you

[4:52] do.

[4:52] >> Yeah. So again, it's just that

[4:54] separation of of self, I think.

[4:56] >> No, I get it. So when the her father

[4:59] came back, was that the the abusive

[5:01] father or was there a different man in

[5:03] between?

[5:04] >> Different man. Yeah, different man. It

[5:06] was actually um

[5:07] >> Okay.

[5:08] >> Yeah, it was before my real dad

[5:10] actually. It was basically my mom at

[5:12] high school and two men basically and

[5:14] and let my dad was was um Yeah, let my

[5:18] dad think that they were both children

[5:20] were hers.

[5:21] >> Is Got it. Got it. Got it. Got it. Okay.

[5:23] So, when your dad left at 13 and then

[5:25] you said until you left at 16, she

[5:27] brought someone else back, but that

[5:29] wasn't the father of your sister. That

[5:31] was just someone else she knew. But he

[5:33] was the the one that was a little

[5:35] abusive and a bully to you.

[5:36] >> Yeah. Yeah. For sure. He basically was

[5:39] with her for 10 years and and eight of

[5:41] those years he was having an affair

[5:42] behind her back.

[5:44] >> Okay.

[5:44] >> And he was very Yeah. And I I mean I was

[5:46] living in the same house and he was very

[5:48] not necessarily physically abusive

[5:50] although he did try to fight me in terms

[5:53] of like trying to get me outside and

[5:56] challenge me so to speak but just very

[5:57] like jealous of my mom's attention to me

[6:00] and

[6:01] >> made her choose between me and him

[6:04] >> and she got it you know those kind of

[6:06] >> and so the bullying was it so that was

[6:07] more verbal and emotional like can you

[6:10] remember what were some of the things

[6:11] that you recall that might have stung or

[6:14] hurt the most? anything that comes to

[6:15] mind?

[6:17] >> Yeah, just just little things like not

[6:19] not closing the cupboards correctly. Um,

[6:22] >> yeah,

[6:23] >> you know, flushing the toilet in the

[6:24] middle of the night or or treading on

[6:26] the caky stair to wake him up.

[6:29] >> Just things like that basically. Yeah, a

[6:32] lot of kind of very controlling.

[6:34] >> Yes. But for you the experience

[6:36] obviously there was a lot of

[6:39] concern for what you might do and the

[6:41] ramifications the consequences like

[6:43] getting in trouble um etc etc. Right.

[6:46] >> Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

[6:48] >> Okay. Well um first of all I'm happy

[6:51] that you're with a beautiful partner and

[6:52] that you love her dearly. That's that's

[6:54] good news. Um so I just want to

[6:56] acknowledge that and everything that you

[6:58] shared thus far really helps me to get a

[7:00] a sense of you know your conditioning

[7:02] right which is what we're looking at.

[7:04] You've obviously hurt me enough to

[7:06] recognize first of all, you know, you're

[7:09] quoting some of my quotes, um, which

[7:11] helps, you know, to a certain degree,

[7:13] right? Like what happened happened or

[7:15] the Navy Seals deal with it.

[7:17] >> That is great. And I com commend you

[7:20] like, you know, I'm wanting to try and

[7:21] integrate those, but it's really

[7:23] important that we we look at both sides,

[7:25] right? There is the human being. So

[7:28] really the human really is the equipment

[7:30] where you've got all of this programming

[7:32] wiring fears where you've been hurt,

[7:34] insecurities, inadequacies. We we want

[7:37] to make space for that. And the being or

[7:39] the soul is more what we're sort of

[7:41] awakening, living from now, you know,

[7:43] that's what I call that 2.0 world,

[7:45] right?

[7:46] >> Yeah.

[7:47] >> So what I can hear is there's a little

[7:49] bit of also denial um of your humanity,

[7:52] right? like you you said in your video,

[7:55] you know, you're 55 and you feel like

[7:58] you're not where you should be or you

[8:00] haven't accomplished as much with your

[8:01] life and there's a lot of comparisons

[8:03] and you know, as you've often heard, I'm

[8:06] sure comparison is the thief of joy. So,

[8:08] we're always going to find evidence for

[8:10] why our life isn't as good as or is not

[8:13] where we're meant to be, right? So,

[8:14] that's

[8:15] >> you're totally in alignment with every

[8:17] human being's conditioning. So that's

[8:19] okay

[8:21] because you've listened to a lot of my

[8:23] stuff and you touched on worth and

[8:25] abandonment.

[8:27] If you were to try and articulate in

[8:30] language what some of the prisons might

[8:32] be that you're stuck in based in words,

[8:35] what what what would Sean think? What

[8:38] what might you have as a view of

[8:40] yourself?

[8:43] Yeah, I mean definitely the fear of loss

[8:47] and abandonment um is definitely a big

[8:50] one for me.

[8:52] >> So let's look at that one to start,

[8:54] right? So the fear of loss and

[8:55] abandonment first of all is part of the

[8:57] human condition. Everybody at some point

[8:58] is going to experience loss, right? It

[9:01] might be later in life. For you, for me

[9:04] it was quite early.

[9:05] >> Yeah.

[9:06] >> But I want you to consider the fear of

[9:08] loss and abandonment. And abandonment we

[9:10] can put to one side because no kid is

[9:11] saying I feel abandoned right

[9:15] is really secondary tertiary meaning

[9:17] it's a byproduct of something deeper

[9:20] right so you're 13 your dad's doing what

[9:22] he's doing the long haul truck driving

[9:24] but you're close you love your dad he

[9:26] loves you as far as you know happy

[9:28] family nothing wrong

[9:30] so loss is the experience or the story

[9:34] after the fact but what did that that

[9:37] 13year-old really feel when his dad left

[9:41] cuz he's not like oh I lost my dad like

[9:44] what what was his experience as best as

[9:46] you can presence?

[9:48] >> Yeah. Scared. I think scared would be

[9:50] the the right word. Yeah.

[9:52] >> Yeah.

[9:52] >> Yeah.

[9:53] >> Yeah. And what what if you could That's

[9:55] beautiful. If you could maybe look at

[9:57] it. What were you scared of?

[10:01] >> Yeah. I think it was the unknown.

[10:04] >> Yeah.

[10:04] >> Yeah. I remember consoling

[10:08] Yeah. not knowing what to do, consoling

[10:10] my mom.

[10:11] >> Yeah.

[10:12] >> Mom. Yeah.

[10:14] >> Yeah. Feel it like that. There's a lot,

[10:16] right, for a 13-year-old. Like you're

[10:18] confused, you're scared.

[10:20] >> H Yeah, definitely. Just um Yeah.

[10:24] Wondering why, not understanding. Um

[10:27] >> Yeah.

[10:27] >> Yeah. Not knowing what's going to

[10:28] happen.

[10:30] >> And trying to console your mom. Like

[10:32] what? Give me a description of a

[10:35] 13-year-old wanting to try cuz you're

[10:37] such a sweetheart. I can see to console

[10:40] your mom. What What did you feel

[10:44] both as a form of responsibility as an

[10:47] emotion for yourself if you're charged

[10:49] with now taking care of your mom?

[10:53] [clears throat]

[10:53] >> Yeah. I wonder if you put it right just

[10:55] to make her better basically. I mean,

[10:57] the the the memory is on the bed where

[11:00] she's just rocking and incontrollable

[11:02] and just trying to, you know, be there

[11:04] for her and make it better for her.

[11:07] Trying to fix it, I think.

[11:09] >> Yeah. And so, you're trying to fix it,

[11:10] but let's look at that like, you know,

[11:12] you know, you're a 55 year old man.

[11:14] You've traveled around the world. You've

[11:15] obviously been working, as you said,

[11:17] from about 17.

[11:19] >> You know, if I were to say, "Hey, can

[11:20] you go and either make some eggs and

[11:22] toast?" You're on it. If you could fix

[11:24] the gate, you probably got it. You know,

[11:26] like meaning you've got these qualities

[11:28] and attributes now that gives you

[11:29] confidence to handle certain things. But

[11:31] at 13, you see this grown woman rocking

[11:34] back and forth,

[11:36] tearary, upset, angry, whatever she's

[11:38] going through. What What is your feeling

[11:41] when you're there trying to console? How

[11:44] do you feel?

[11:45] >> I'm scared.

[11:46] >> Yeah.

[11:47] >> Yeah.

[11:48] >> Yeah.

[11:48] >> That's

[11:49] >> because what are you what are you under

[11:50] the impression? What are you saying is

[11:52] in that moment is your responsibility?

[12:00] >> I mean, I don't think it's consciously

[12:02] at the moment, but I think that I,

[12:05] you know, now have to step up and to

[12:07] fulfill the void that my dad is going to

[12:09] leave.

[12:10] >> Something like that, right? Like that

[12:11] there's suddenly this escalated

[12:14] m maturation that you're supposed to

[12:16] take on. You're 13, but all of a sudden

[12:18] it's like, "Oh I'm the now man of

[12:21] the house or it's up to me, right?"

[12:25] >> Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[12:27] >> But you're 13, right? So now think about

[12:29] that. So I want you to be able to tap

[12:31] into the feeling if you're 13 and you're

[12:34] trying to manage something that we could

[12:36] argue is really the task of a 30 plus

[12:40] year old at least, right?

[12:43] >> What how do you feel in that situation?

[12:50] How do I feel in that situation?

[12:52] >> Yeah. So, you're being asked to do

[12:54] something that anybody could argue is

[12:56] not what a 13-year-old should be doing.

[12:58] So, you're being put in a situation that

[13:01] is not appropriate for who you are.

[13:04] >> Yes.

[13:05] >> So, how does that like again I'm leading

[13:07] the witness a little bit here, but it's

[13:09] you've done a very good job of

[13:10] protecting yourself, but I can see how

[13:12] much you hold on to. M

[13:13] >> you're scared for sure, but when there's

[13:16] a job that you're thinking you're meant

[13:19] to do, but you're really not capable of

[13:21] doing, what what's that differential

[13:24] feel like?

[13:28] >> Yeah. It's like a lack of um

[13:32] a lack of confidence, a lack of a lack

[13:34] of um

[13:35] >> yeah,

[13:35] >> belief to be able to do it.

[13:37] >> Yeah. Perfect. So what I want you to

[13:39] consider is what we're revealing here is

[13:42] the part of you that feels hopeless or

[13:44] powerless.

[13:47] >> Right? Remember that moment in that

[13:49] room. Did you not both feel scared but

[13:51] also powerless to really do anything?

[13:53] You weren't equipped.

[13:57] >> Totally. Yeah.

[13:59] Completely powerless for sure.

[14:01] >> Now feel that. How does that feel in

[14:04] your body as you tap into that?

[14:07] >> Yeah. Yeah, I feel sorry for that kid.

[14:10] >> Yeah, talk more about that.

[14:19] >> Yeah, something that um yeah, you know,

[14:22] something that somebody shouldn't have

[14:24] to go through.

[14:26] Um,

[14:26] >> yeah,

[14:26] >> you know, compassion for,

[14:29] >> you know, just being shoved into a

[14:32] position that's completely foreign and

[14:34] scary and not knowing what the outcome's

[14:38] going to be.

[14:40] >> Yeah. No, I can really see that.

[14:44] And you can see what he was going

[14:46] through, right? Like how much pressure

[14:48] he was under.

[14:49] >> Yeah, for sure.

[14:52] >> Yeah.

[14:53] >> Yeah. And how can you see that that has

[14:57] shown up and continued through your

[14:59] life? Where have you also felt that?

[15:03] >> Yeah, I think it's probably like I

[15:05] wasn't able to fix it. So that was

[15:09] like that was the doubting of myself. So

[15:13] I think that's continued

[15:16] >> continued in um

[15:19] you know when I get success maybe I

[15:20] don't feel like I'm worthy of it so to

[15:23] speak.

[15:24] >> Yeah.

[15:24] >> Because of because of not being able to

[15:28] fix things in the past maybe.

[15:30] >> Yeah. No, I get it.

[15:32] >> Yeah. So, so that's a big part of this

[15:35] um you know and what you're doing

[15:38] unconsciously to yourself like the

[15:40] constraints and it's great that you can

[15:41] feel it and I really appreciate you

[15:43] being vulnerable.

[15:44] >> What what might you So that's one side,

[15:47] right? We've got the relationship

[15:50] with your mom who you clearly adored

[15:52] >> and by the sounds of it adored you and

[15:54] you did everything you could

[15:56] >> and yet here's this boy at 13 charged

[15:59] with what he takes on as the

[16:00] responsibility to comfort and take care

[16:04] of this woman, right? His mom.

[16:06] >> Obviously now you can as a 54 55year-old

[16:09] look back and see that that's

[16:11] >> no one should go through that. No, no

[16:13] young boy should be charged with that,

[16:15] right?

[16:15] >> Yeah. Agreed. Yeah.

[16:16] >> And that's where you have the

[16:17] compassion. So that's one part.

[16:19] What what would you say because you're

[16:23] doing great would be the way that you

[16:24] interpreted your dad leaving you. Like

[16:28] again, a boy at 13 is not going to say,

[16:31] "Oh, I've been abandoned."

[16:34] >> Yeah.

[16:36] Yeah. I guess it's not being wanted.

[16:39] >> Yeah.

[16:40] >> That's what I felt. Yeah.

[16:44] >> And what's that like? If you can tap

[16:46] into that

[16:48] you're just not wanted.

[16:53] >> It's okay. Don't resist it. This is this

[16:56] is part of what we've got to go through.

[16:58] >> Yeah.

[17:03] Yeah. That definitely hits home.

[17:06] But no one wants a thing. Yeah. He

[17:08] basically he basically ran off with my

[17:10] mom's best friend who had a a daughter

[17:12] and a son the same age as me and my

[17:14] sister. So you basically just replaced

[17:16] his family somewhere else.

[17:17] >> Yeah. So once you found that out, not

[17:20] only you not wanted, what else might

[17:22] that

[17:24] trigger? You know, he's now with another

[17:27] woman, but also a different set of

[17:29] children compared to you. What might

[17:32] that say about you?

[17:36] >> Yeah. So not wanted, not worthy of of

[17:39] love, I guess.

[17:41] >> Yeah. the feeling that I comes up

[17:45] >> and so now look at your life and you're

[17:47] doing great if you're walking around

[17:49] feeling fundamentally because you know

[17:51] you've given us a lot of great content

[17:53] in terms of you know feeling jealousy or

[17:56] insecure or even now you got this

[17:58] beautiful partner maybe a little bit

[18:00] worried she might leave right what is it

[18:02] like if you're living inside of that

[18:04] notw wanted view of yourself.

[18:11] >> It's exhausting.

[18:13] >> Yeah, it is, isn't it? That's a very

[18:16] accurate response.

[18:17] >> Yeah.

[18:18] >> How are some of the ways that you've

[18:19] learned to cope? What are some of your

[18:22] strategies?

[18:25] Yeah, I basic I mean specifically in

[18:28] relationships um you know I tried to I

[18:32] mean not literally but you know let's

[18:34] just build a castle and put a moat

[18:36] around it and pull up the drawbridge and

[18:38] make sure that nobody can come near us

[18:40] to take away what I've got if you see

[18:43] what I mean like that definitely is like

[18:46] >> you know it

[18:49] it has been a journey of discovery I

[18:51] only really also found out about the

[18:53] anxious attachments style probably 2021.

[18:57] And so I'm pretty proud that I've had

[18:58] awareness to try and deal with some of

[19:00] that over the time.

[19:01] >> No, that's great.

[19:02] >> Yeah. And I still um obviously struggle

[19:05] with that a lot. Mhm.

[19:07] >> But the not wanted thing and and um

[19:12] trying to

[19:14] protect what's what I've got is I think

[19:17] comes up in in ways of things like

[19:19] jealousy

[19:20] um you know getting away from friends

[19:23] just you know almost like isolating

[19:26] myself in terms of the relationship and

[19:28] and uh you know not obviously

[19:30] >> you know it's obviously not a healthy

[19:33] thing to do and not something that any

[19:35] partner would want to deal with. That's

[19:36] for sure.

[19:37] >> Right.

[19:38] >> Um, yeah. So, that definitely has

[19:40] manifested its way like that, I think.

[19:44] >> Yeah. And I can only imagine from what I

[19:47] get in terms of your energy that you

[19:49] have in your own way tried to be the

[19:51] perfect partner, kind, thoughtful,

[19:53] considerate, right?

[19:55] >> Manage your own emotions, don't do

[19:57] anything that would maybe upset

[19:58] somebody, all of that, right?

[20:00] >> Yeah. The people pleaser.

[20:02] >> Yeah.

[20:03] >> And that's part of the exhaustion,

[20:04] right?

[20:05] >> For sure. Yeah.

[20:08] >> Yeah. And that feeds back into the

[20:10] selfworth piece I think a little bit for

[20:12] me personally like you know

[20:16] the relationship with oneself is is is

[20:19] lacking I think for me

[20:21] >> for sure. Well, again, if you look at

[20:23] selfworth, you know, there is a value

[20:25] proposition here and every human being

[20:27] is going to have their own version of

[20:29] not honoring their own value, you know,

[20:32] but it's kind of covered because it's

[20:35] included in the not wanted,

[20:38] >> right?

[20:40] >> Anything that's not wanted inextricably

[20:42] is connected to it's of no value.

[20:45] >> Yeah. Okay.

[20:46] >> Do you see? So they're sort of a coupled

[20:49] together

[20:51] >> um instantaneously. So dad leaves your

[20:54] experience completely valid is to feel

[20:56] oh my gosh he's gone and not just gone

[20:58] he's gone to another a woman with other

[21:02] children who you know the 13-year-old's

[21:05] mind is clearly going to have the

[21:06] rationale well he wants them he doesn't

[21:08] want us

[21:10] >> right

[21:11] >> so there is a component in there what I

[21:14] would like you to consider

[21:17] >> that you feel kind of less than

[21:23] Yeah.

[21:24] >> Do you feel that?

[21:26] >> Yeah, I agree.

[21:28] >> You're just less than. And so again,

[21:30] that would contribute to however you try

[21:32] to manage and control your situations in

[21:34] relationships. Because if you're looking

[21:36] through the lens of you're less than,

[21:39] then your brain will always manufacture.

[21:41] If you're at a party, a dinner party, an

[21:42] event, a birthday, like whatever, if you

[21:44] see a guy that your brain assumes your

[21:48] partner, exartner might like or he might

[21:50] be handsomemer, more successful, more

[21:53] whatever rationale, you're going to go

[21:55] straight into that anxiety again. Can

[21:57] you see that?

[21:58] >> Yeah, for sure. Yeah, totally.

[22:01] >> So, looking at your dad leaves, so

[22:03] there's a component of, you know, you

[22:05] being discarded, not wanted, right? And

[22:08] he's not only getting rid of you. It

[22:09] would be one thing if he just went off

[22:11] and did his own thing by himself, but he

[22:13] took on another family. So for that

[22:15] brain of that boy, there's an immediate

[22:18] comparison. Well, wait, how come? It's

[22:20] confusing. My dad doesn't want me, but

[22:21] he wants the other boy and girl.

[22:24] What to me that inspires or triggers is

[22:27] this deep prison of feeling less than

[22:29] that you're not only not wanted, but

[22:31] you're lower in statur,

[22:34] right?

[22:35] So, how does that manifest in your way

[22:39] in your relationships thinking that

[22:41] you're less than?

[22:46] >> Yeah.

[22:48] >> I mean, it's a little embarrassing in a

[22:50] way.

[22:51] >> It's okay. Everything that we're talking

[22:53] about belongs to a child. So, for a man,

[22:56] it can seem embarrassing, but you're

[22:58] doing great. Believe me, I've heard.

[22:59] >> Yeah. It's It's the fear. It's

[23:02] definitely comes back to the the fear of

[23:05] of um not being wanted kind of, you

[23:10] know, fear of a future that hasn't

[23:12] happened yet. It definitely

[23:13] catastrophizes the future of something

[23:15] that's, you know,

[23:17] >> yeah, realize the story in my head, but

[23:19] yeah.

[23:20] >> Yeah. And and how does it hit your body?

[23:22] So, you kind of gave us a clue there.

[23:24] The tightness in your chest, does it in

[23:26] your solar plexus, your stomach get like

[23:28] a little bit tight? Any of that?

[23:30] >> Yeah, definitely my chest for sure.

[23:32] Tightness of the jaw.

[23:33] >> Yeah.

[23:35] And then I think that there's some, you

[23:37] know, I would say I feel like I'm just

[23:40] thinking about myself and not my partner

[23:42] in in that situation. Like you make it

[23:45] their fault, so to speak, in my head.

[23:46] And not that that that happens, but

[23:48] >> yeah,

[23:49] >> you know, that's

[23:50] you know, I know I know that

[23:53] >> I know what's happening. I know what's

[23:54] knocking at the door and I'm trying to

[23:56] manage that emotion basically.

[23:58] >> And it's a beautiful observation and

[24:01] that's called metacognition. your

[24:03] ability to reflect on your own thinking

[24:05] or behaviors, right? Which shows

[24:07] intelligence.

[24:08] >> It's why you're here, why you're part of

[24:10] my freedom community and you wanted to

[24:12] reach out.

[24:13] >> So, I'd say that's a good sign. And

[24:15] without, you know, wishing to in any way

[24:18] diminish

[24:20] the feeling that you just experienced of

[24:23] seeing, wow, it's actually kind of a

[24:24] little embarrassing because I'm just

[24:26] really focused on me, not my partner.

[24:28] >> I can tell you right now, Sean, that's

[24:30] every pretty much every relationship. So

[24:32] don't worry about it. [laughter]

[24:34] >> Your own partner's got her own version

[24:36] too, right? She's human as wonderful as

[24:38] she is. And you might sort of put on a

[24:40] pedestal a little bit because you're

[24:42] coming from your fears. But every human

[24:44] being for the most part, why

[24:46] relationships typically don't work or

[24:48] don't last

[24:50] >> is because we're relating to each other

[24:53] from our own constraints and fears.

[24:56] >> Yes. Right.

[24:57] >> Can you see that? So that's why

[24:59] invariably

[25:01] >> I know you could have a fear of a loss

[25:03] of a relationship which is totally

[25:05] appropriate for the young boy who feels

[25:07] he's not wanted but what I want you to

[25:09] understand is you wouldn't lose that

[25:13] relationship because you were never in

[25:15] it [laughter]

[25:18] >> right you and again that's that's an

[25:21] advanced understanding but because you

[25:23] just brought it up meaning most people

[25:25] are in a relationship with their own

[25:27] nervous system and their own

[25:28] constraints.

[25:29] >> Okay?

[25:31] >> Do you see? So you you're in a

[25:33] relationship with your fear of the loss

[25:36] of a relationship that you're not

[25:38] actually in. [laughter]

[25:40] >> Right.

[25:41] >> Right.

[25:42] >> Which which is kind of comical when you

[25:43] look at it. I mean, it stings, but you

[25:46] know, if you want to be powerful, which

[25:47] is the only thing I'm interested in and

[25:48] helping you become, you have to, you

[25:51] know, as a man, which is this sort of

[25:52] right of passage that hopefully you'll

[25:55] go through here with me in this

[25:56] conversation. is like, "Holy it

[25:59] completely understandable." And we have

[26:01] absolute compassion for the young boy

[26:03] who's constantly vigilant about somebody

[26:07] else leaving him.

[26:09] >> Yeah.

[26:10] >> But then you're in a relationship with

[26:12] that little boy's fear of somebody

[26:14] leaving him. Do you see? That's where

[26:16] your attention is.

[26:17] >> Got it. Yeah.

[26:19] >> Now, as I as I share that, what what

[26:22] comes to mind?

[26:31] I'm not sure.

[26:33] >> It's okay. That's a valid answer.

[26:36] >> Yeah. I'm not sure what comes to mind

[26:38] then.

[26:38] >> Well, let me reframe it. So, if you see

[26:40] that who you are, which I can tell is a

[26:42] very loving, kind, sensitive human

[26:45] >> who loves companionship. You want to

[26:47] have the feeling of love and connection.

[26:51] >> That's the underlying commitment. But

[26:52] when I sort of reveal, you know, what's

[26:55] behind the curtain of your own behavior

[26:57] and say, "Oh, I want a relationship."

[27:00] Currently, obviously, you've got a

[27:01] beautiful partner with her, but there

[27:03] would have been many before.

[27:06] And now you get to see, but what I'm

[27:08] actually up to kind of, you know, nod

[27:10] not wing wink, you know, is like, oh,

[27:12] I'm actually in a relationship with my

[27:14] own wiring

[27:16] >> of worrying about that person leaving

[27:19] me. So where's the actual relationship

[27:22] happening? Well, it's with my own

[27:24] constraints, my own fears.

[27:25] >> I see. I see.

[27:27] >> So that should give you a little bit of

[27:29] a sort of almost an aha moment.

[27:32] >> Yeah. Right. Yeah.

[27:34] >> Cuz what you want is there. You have

[27:37] someone who loves you. They're in the

[27:38] house. They're sharing, you know,

[27:40] dinners, movies, whatever it is. They're

[27:43] there.

[27:44] >> But Sean, through no fault of his own.

[27:46] So we want to get out of any guilt or

[27:48] shame. We're just bringing awareness is

[27:50] like, oh, I'm actually in a relationship

[27:52] with my fear

[27:54] >> about the other person.

[27:57] I'm not in a relationship with the other

[27:59] person.

[28:01] >> I see. Yeah, that's a very good point.

[28:04] >> Thank you. I pride myself on this.

[28:06] [laughter]

[28:06] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[28:08] >> But isn't that fascinating?

[28:09] >> It's very fascinating. So that should in

[28:12] a funny roundabout way and it looked

[28:15] like with that exhale just give you

[28:16] almost a little bit of relief.

[28:18] >> Yeah.

[28:19] >> Yeah.

[28:21] It's almost comical in a way but yeah

[28:23] >> it is. It is comical. And now you see

[28:25] why most people struggle in

[28:26] relationships because they're not in

[28:28] relationship with the other person.

[28:30] They're in relationship with their own

[28:31] programming which is based in some sort

[28:34] of insecurity inadequacy or scarcity.

[28:36] >> Right.

[28:37] >> Yeah.

[28:38] >> So it is comical. It's like you've been

[28:40] worried about losing a relationship that

[28:42] you actually weren't even in.

[28:44] >> Yeah. Actually gave me goosebumps a

[28:46] little bit.

[28:48] >> Yeah. Well, that tells us we're on

[28:50] track, right? So, because I'm awakening

[28:52] you to the true power of the being you

[28:54] are whilst holding and loving and having

[28:57] compassion for the human you've become

[28:58] misidentified with, which is just

[29:00] programming. Right.

[29:01] >> Right.

[29:02] >> Yeah.

[29:03] >> So, that's a great step. So, the fear of

[29:06] loss is a misnomer. first of all, right?

[29:10] Meaning, yes, form comes and goes all

[29:13] the time, right? My mom died when I was

[29:15] seven. I didn't lose my mom. She died.

[29:17] That doesn't in any way diminished the

[29:19] impact that it had to me. It was

[29:21] devastating, confusing. As a

[29:23] seven-year-old, I didn't know how to

[29:24] process it. I was sad. I was, you know,

[29:27] lost and all all of that's appropriate,

[29:29] but the story of loss is part of your

[29:32] suffering.

[29:33] >> Yeah.

[29:34] >> So, you didn't lose your dad. You

[29:35] weren't abandoned. He left. He moved in

[29:38] with someone else who had two kids and

[29:40] that was it. Right.

[29:43] I'm not saying that that was quote

[29:44] unquote easy, but I'm saying that is

[29:47] reality.

[29:48] >> Yeah. That's what happened. Yeah.

[29:49] >> Yeah. [laughter] Right. That's what

[29:51] happened.

[29:52] >> Yeah.

[29:52] >> What that happening triggered in Sha's

[29:56] >> consciousness and his view of himself

[29:58] is, oh, dad goes wherever he went,

[30:01] another area of Southwest or London or

[30:04] wherever the he moved. It's really

[30:05] irrelevant.

[30:06] >> And

[30:07] >> huh,

[30:08] >> the same town pretty close.

[30:10] >> Pretty close, right? Yeah. Still in

[30:11] Dorset, whatever. And he's with two

[30:14] other people. And then Sean's brain

[30:16] through no fault of his own, made that

[30:18] all into a story that you're you're not

[30:21] wanted because of that.

[30:22] >> Yeah.

[30:23] >> See, this is the nature of the ego is

[30:25] that we're very very self-oriented. The

[30:27] ego is all self-righteousness. Even

[30:30] though what it's being righteous about

[30:31] is typically a limitation that creates

[30:34] suffering. That's the madness. We we

[30:36] want to be right about our own

[30:38] inadequacies or insecurities. That's the

[30:40] ego.

[30:41] >> Right.

[30:42] >> Right.

[30:43] >> Yeah.

[30:44] >> So, is it true that you lost your dad

[30:48] at that moment? I know he's passed, but

[30:52] >> No, no,

[30:53] >> no. He just went somewhere else.

[30:55] >> Yeah.

[30:56] But what we can what we can be

[30:58] accountable for is the impact that that

[31:00] left which was what I call emotional

[31:02] epigenetics. Meaning there's an event

[31:04] that occurred that turned on without

[31:07] getting too esoteric. The reason you're

[31:10] here as a soul to experience this

[31:13] feeling of what you call you know in

[31:15] high flutin terminology abandonment what

[31:17] I'm calling is just feeling discarded

[31:19] not wanted.

[31:22] >> Yeah. And it's not just in relationship

[31:24] that carries over into business too.

[31:27] >> No, of course. And you mentioned that

[31:28] with the company moving from London or

[31:30] England to Yeah. and then 10 years there

[31:34] and then another one. But again, if we

[31:37] can look at it, is it because dad left

[31:40] and then because you moved different

[31:43] territories to Canada and then you moved

[31:45] different do is that because that means

[31:50] you're not wanted or are these all just

[31:53] events that help you reinforce your

[31:56] belief that you're not wanted? Do you

[31:58] see it's the cart before the horse? So

[32:01] your brain, like anybody's, is looking

[32:04] for evidence for what it already

[32:06] believes,

[32:08] >> right? Totally.

[32:10] >> Somebody else might be like, "Holy

[32:12] this is amazing. I get to travel to

[32:14] North America. Same event

[32:17] >> transferred from the UK

[32:19] >> and they're like, "This is amazing."

[32:21] Right? So do you see it's not the event,

[32:23] it's the way that you are interpreting

[32:26] it or rather unconsciously receiving

[32:29] information to your brain. that's

[32:30] looking for evidence for what it's

[32:32] already oriented to.

[32:34] >> Right.

[32:35] I can totally see that.

[32:37] >> So, in truth, you moved from Dorset to

[32:40] Vancouver or wherever you went, Canada,

[32:42] and then you moved to somewhere else and

[32:44] and that was it. No problem.

[32:48] >> But for Sean's brain, it's like, no,

[32:50] this means definitely I know this

[32:53] feeling, and this feeling is confirming

[32:55] that I'm not wanted here.

[32:59] You're 100% correct.

[33:01] >> Well, thank you. Not my first rodeo.

[33:04] See, the number one imperative of the

[33:06] ego is to be right. But what we're being

[33:08] right about is a complete disservice to

[33:10] the soul we are, which is timeless,

[33:14] boundless, and and completely free and

[33:16] powerful.

[33:18] >> So, you're not suffering because of what

[33:20] transpired. You're suffering because of

[33:22] the way that you view it.

[33:25] >> Yeah.

[33:27] >> Okay. So, let's stay with that first

[33:29] one.

[33:30] >> Were you born in Dorsit or just raised

[33:32] there or or?

[33:33] >> Yeah, I was born born in Dorset. Yeah.

[33:37] >> So, Sean, if I cut you open, am I going

[33:39] to find a physical manufacturing label

[33:41] inside of you made out of whatever

[33:43] metal, plastic, wood that says Sean,

[33:46] born in Dorset, he's not wanted.

[33:50] >> You're not going to find that. No,

[33:51] >> I'm not. Am I? Bummer.

[33:54] So if it's not part of your physical

[33:56] makeup, where does it live?

[33:58] >> Yeah,

[34:00] it lives between my ears.

[34:03] >> Yeah. It's the lens that you look

[34:04] through, right?

[34:06] >> It's just a view. Now it's appropriate

[34:08] because you're wearing glasses. So we

[34:09] can play with this analogy or metaphor.

[34:11] If those glasses that are clear

[34:13] obviously, but if they were blue,

[34:16] >> so but if you're born with those blue

[34:18] tinted glasses, how would everything

[34:20] look to you?

[34:22] >> Yeah.

[34:24] If I was born with blue tinted glasses,

[34:27] it would be blue, I guess.

[34:28] >> Yeah. So, that's the logical response.

[34:31] Now, I want you to listen. If you're

[34:33] born with blue tinted glasses, you don't

[34:36] see blue because that's all you've ever

[34:38] known,

[34:38] >> right? Yeah. It's just it is what it is.

[34:40] >> It's normal to you,

[34:42] >> right? Yeah.

[34:44] >> So, your normal in this case is I'm not

[34:47] wanted.

[34:48] >> Yeah. So, do you see

[34:51] as a joke because I often use this with

[34:54] different constructs because we all have

[34:56] them. But you could walk past the cow

[35:00] and because you look through the blue,

[35:02] which is I'm not wanted. The cow could

[35:03] go moo and put and Sean would be like,

[35:06] "Okay, I'm sorry. I'll get out of your

[35:07] way."

[35:09] >> Yeah.

[35:10] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I understand.

[35:12] Yeah.

[35:13] >> You see, it's kind of comical like you

[35:14] said, right? So if it's just between

[35:16] your ears and it's a lens that you look

[35:18] through which is really just a story,

[35:21] it's words. Is it an absolute truth that

[35:24] who you are is not wanted?

[35:28] >> Yeah, it's not at all.

[35:29] >> It's not at all, is it?

[35:31] >> No.

[35:34] >> Now just I know this is brand new, but I

[35:37] can see things shifting.

[35:39] >> If you really really get what I just

[35:41] showed you, Sean, that this is a

[35:43] complete lie. Now, the older we all get,

[35:45] the more convincing it is. You got five

[35:47] and a half decades. I know it started

[35:50] mainly when you were 13. So, let's say

[35:51] four four decades or so.

[35:56] If you couldn't relate to yourself and

[35:58] life and others as not wanted, what

[36:01] might that feel? What might be available

[36:03] for you? You just literally can't feel

[36:05] not wanted by anything or anyone.

[36:14] Yeah. I mean it would be a boundless

[36:16] feeling. This the the scaredness would

[36:19] go away.

[36:20] >> That's a good start.

[36:22] >> Yeah.

[36:24] >> And the boundlessness is nice.

[36:26] >> Yeah. Yeah, it would be a much you know

[36:28] I'm I'm in a positive I am a positive

[36:30] person by nature but

[36:32] >> I think that

[36:36] it would open up a whole new perspective

[36:41] >> on everything.

[36:43] >> So how might you just using you know cuz

[36:46] it's uh relatively lowhanging fruit with

[36:49] this partner of yours who sounds

[36:50] wonderful who you love and I'm sure she

[36:52] adores you. How could you see the shift?

[36:55] What actually happens in thoughts,

[36:57] emotions, and behaviors of Sha to your

[37:00] current partner

[37:02] no longer looking through the lens of

[37:05] the fear of not being wanted. How might

[37:08] you feel and show up with her now?

[37:14] >> That's a nice exhale.

[37:18] Yeah, I guess I guess um

[37:22] without some kind of facade and my and

[37:24] my true self and again,

[37:30] you know, the lack of fear of of losing

[37:32] her, so to be able to be free of that.

[37:36] And what might that make available in

[37:38] the moment if you're no longer like you

[37:40] you saw the comical nature of how most

[37:42] humans are in relationship with their

[37:44] own fears, but now you get to be with

[37:48] her.

[37:49] >> Yeah.

[37:49] >> What might that feel like not just for

[37:51] you, but for her?

[37:57] >> Yeah, it would be amazing for both of

[38:00] us,

[38:00] >> wouldn't it?

[38:01] >> Yeah, it would be.

[38:02] >> How can you articulate that as best as

[38:04] would feel for you? What might that you

[38:07] know fuzzy feeling in body or like you

[38:09] know connection like what if there's

[38:12] nothing between you and this woman that

[38:14] you love who you said might be the love

[38:16] of your life and who adors you there's

[38:18] no fear anymore.

[38:21] >> Yeah. I mean it's the like the the

[38:24] tightness in the chest goes away.

[38:27] >> Amazing.

[38:28] >> Yeah.

[38:29] >> Which is expansive, right? So you

[38:30] breathe easier.

[38:32] >> Yeah.

[38:33] >> Now think of it as a man. You're there.

[38:35] You're breathing easier. The fear of the

[38:37] tightness is gone. How might that come

[38:40] across to a woman?

[38:48] >> Well, more confidence. I think it's more

[38:50] of an attractive partner to be around,

[38:53] >> isn't it? Yeah.

[38:55] >> I think uh

[38:59] yeah, I think that that's

[39:02] you're having confidence in your

[39:03] partner.

[39:06] Yeah,

[39:08] >> I want you to consider because we talked

[39:10] about it earlier, that 13-year-old who's

[39:12] watching his mom rock back and forth on

[39:13] the bed, devastated by what happened,

[39:16] left in that feeling of complete

[39:18] powerlessness,

[39:20] which is totally appropriate for a

[39:21] 13-year-old. That's not up to him to

[39:23] take care of his own mom as much as you

[39:25] took that on.

[39:26] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[39:27] >> What I want you to consider now as you

[39:29] let go of this constraint of feeling not

[39:32] wanted, your chest relaxes, you become

[39:35] expanded.

[39:36] >> You feel confident. You're okay because

[39:38] you're not worried about where she goes.

[39:41] >> That's actually power.

[39:43] >> You're right. [snorts]

[39:44] >> You feel that?

[39:45] >> Yeah, I do.

[39:47] Yeah.

[39:50] >> Doesn't have control over me.

[39:52] >> None. No.

[39:54] Because what you're actually saying to

[39:55] life, which is going to be so novel and

[39:57] foreign for you, is I'm okay whatever

[39:59] happens.

[40:00] >> Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

[40:04] >> Yeah.

[40:05] >> That's a different experience, isn't it?

[40:07] >> Totally. Yeah. It's a completely new

[40:09] perspective.

[40:11] >> Yeah. And it's also self-fulfilling,

[40:14] right? Meaning that okay, you went

[40:16] through whatever you went through, but

[40:18] you saw it the way you saw it because of

[40:21] the way you were conditioned or wired.

[40:24] Now, if the way that you're looking at

[40:25] life is I'm not not wanted, meaning that

[40:29] will eventually become I'm wanted by

[40:31] yourself.

[40:32] >> Yeah.

[40:34] >> That's the only true relationship that

[40:35] matters. People are going to come and

[40:37] go. The unpredictability of life is it's

[40:40] it's synonymous with the uncertainty

[40:42] that is to be alive, right?

[40:46] >> Yeah.

[40:46] >> So, the deeper there's something deeper

[40:49] under not being wanted, right? Because

[40:53] let's face it, this is life, right?

[40:54] Like,

[40:55] >> yeah,

[40:55] >> for myself, I've maybe been attracted to

[40:58] somebody, maybe wanted a client, maybe

[41:00] wanted to close a deal, maybe wanted

[41:02] silence, and it didn't work out.

[41:06] >> That didn't mean I'm not wanted. It mean

[41:07] it didn't work out. You know, now they

[41:10] could literally, if it was, say, a

[41:11] romantic situation, they could say, "No,

[41:13] I don't want to be with you."

[41:17] That's what they're saying. Does that

[41:19] mean I'm not wanted?

[41:20] >> Right?

[41:22] No. Right.

[41:23] >> Yeah.

[41:24] >> Just by that person at that moment in

[41:26] that sentence, you know, they might find

[41:28] out something about me an hour later,

[41:30] call me and say, "Oh, I made a big

[41:31] mistake."

[41:32] >> Take me. Do you see what I'm saying? The

[41:34] flux of life is so it's so dynamic.

[41:39] >> Yeah.

[41:40] >> We tend to be fatalistic when we look

[41:41] through the ego. I didn't get the job.

[41:43] That means it's done. No. Like, where's

[41:45] your commitment? Oh, the relationship,

[41:47] she's not sure. Okay. Well, call her

[41:49] next week. Call her two months. call it.

[41:51] You know, might maybe she'll show up in

[41:52] six week. Do you know what I mean? It's

[41:53] like so underneath it, there's something

[41:57] deeper, Sean, that I want you to see.

[41:59] The not wanted hurts. I get it. And now

[42:02] you can see it's a lie.

[42:03] >> Yeah.

[42:04] >> But there's something underneath that

[42:06] that's a little bit more closer to the

[42:08] bone. If you're not wanted,

[42:11] what does that result in?

[42:14] >> Yeah. If I'm not wanted, what is the

[42:17] outcome for me?

[42:18] >> Yeah.

[42:18] >> Yeah. It's not good. Well, that's the

[42:21] interpretation, but let's stay with

[42:22] reality and the way you're viewing it.

[42:25] It's definitely not good. But what's not

[42:27] good about it?

[42:30] See, I could come up with a scenario

[42:31] where I you're not wanted by somebody

[42:33] who you think is attractive, who you

[42:35] think is together, but I'm a fortune

[42:37] teller. I'm like, "No, actually, in 3

[42:39] months, you're going to find out that

[42:40] person's a lunatic."

[42:42] >> Yeah.

[42:42] >> So, do you see in that case? Oh, in that

[42:44] case, not being wanted by that person is

[42:46] good. Do you see? But you default to not

[42:48] being wanted is not good. I want you to

[42:51] find out why. Why is that not good? What

[42:54] is there's a deeper story.

[43:00] >> What happens if Sha is not wanted?

[43:07] >> Yeah. I mean, I question myself. I beat

[43:09] myself up.

[43:11] >> Yes, I understand. That's part of the

[43:13] less than or not. That that's still in

[43:15] the realm of not wanted. We've got to

[43:16] get more into the primal. Think about

[43:18] it. You're with someone. In this case,

[43:20] it's more to do with the family

[43:22] structure. Dad goes, you're not wanted.

[43:24] What What situation are you left in?

[43:31] >> The unknown.

[43:33] >> That's always there

[43:37] and it's a component of this. But you

[43:39] had family unit, happy, loved your dad,

[43:42] and he's gone.

[43:43] >> Yeah.

[43:44] So the notw wanted is a bridge to

[43:46] something deeper as a fear. See if dad's

[43:50] gone, you're not wanted. But also, what

[43:53] else does that mean about you now that

[43:55] dad's not there?

[43:58] >> By myself.

[43:59] >> Yes.

[44:01] Now stay with that.

[44:04] If you're by yourself, what does that

[44:07] potentially mean as a fear?

[44:10] Feel

[44:13] it. You're by yourself and it's kind of

[44:15] that moment with your mom. That was part

[44:17] of the overwhelm and the pressure.

[44:23] What is that boy scared of?

[44:32] >> Yeah. I guess it's like I guess all up

[44:34] to me.

[44:35] >> Yeah. So that's pressure. And if it's

[44:38] all up to you, what might happen?

[44:44] >> Yeah, I might fail.

[44:46] >> Yes,

[44:49] you might fail.

[44:52] And that's the future anxiety that

[44:54] you've constantly for five decades tried

[44:56] to avoid.

[44:59] And at an even deeper level, I want you

[45:01] to consider Sean. If you fail, what

[45:03] you're saying to yourself is you're not

[45:05] going to be okay. Right

[45:07] >> now, sit with that. What is it like to

[45:09] live for five decades thinking you're

[45:11] not going to be okay?

[45:18] [snorts]

[45:18] >> Yeah, it's a scary place to be,

[45:21] >> isn't it?

[45:22] >> Yeah, it is.

[45:24] >> That's sheer terror. That's pure

[45:26] survival.

[45:30] You see that? Because you said earlier

[45:32] the scared, you're scared of the

[45:33] unknown. No, you're not scared of the

[45:35] unknown. The unknown doesn't have

[45:36] anything in it.

[45:38] >> You're scared of the view of the

[45:40] unknown, which is that you might fail

[45:42] and you're not going to be okay,

[45:44] >> right?

[45:45] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[45:47] >> It's okay. It's good to feel. Let it

[45:49] out.

[45:50] >> Yeah. [snorts]

[45:52] Yeah.

[45:53] >> Wow. I see that.

[45:56] For five decades, you've been constantly

[45:59] worrying about a future where you might

[46:01] not make it

[46:03] >> in work, in relationships, in just

[46:06] general survival.

[46:13] >> It's okay. It's important to feel it.

[46:15] What's that like?

[46:21] >> Yeah. I mean, I've never thought of it

[46:23] like that before.

[46:24] Well, that's why we're here. But I want

[46:26] you to presence it for yourself. You've

[46:28] been living in a state of constant

[46:30] concern for your own survival, which is

[46:34] human,

[46:35] but leaves you in a mild to severe state

[46:37] of

[46:39] perpetual anxiety.

[46:41] >> Yeah.

[46:43] Yeah. That's what it does. Yeah.

[46:47] >> Yeah. So, how do you manage that? How do

[46:50] you cope with that? What are the ways

[46:52] that you have learned to try and

[46:54] compensate?

[47:00] >> Yeah. To be the nice guy.

[47:02] >> To be the nice guy. Yeah.

[47:04] >> Yeah. Overcompensate.

[47:06] Make sure things are okay.

[47:08] >> Yeah. When you look at that, being the

[47:10] nice guy, overcompensating, how does

[47:12] that hit your system realizing that what

[47:14] that's what you've done to yourself?

[47:19] Feels like I robbed my robbed the part

[47:21] of me a little bit from my true self.

[47:23] Feels like living authentically

[47:27] >> completely. And that's the part I want

[47:29] you to see is that through no fault of

[47:31] your own, you have completely betrayed

[47:34] yourself

[47:35] in order to try and survive. And I'm not

[47:38] saying that's just you. That's human.

[47:39] But I really want you to see that

[47:44] you've betrayed your needs. M

[47:47] >> you've betrayed probably your wants. I

[47:49] can't imagine how many times you have

[47:51] acquiesced and said yes when you meant

[47:53] no. Gone to a place you didn't want to

[47:54] go but because you felt you should you

[47:57] did

[47:58] where you haven't honored what was true

[48:00] for you.

[48:01] >> Yeah,

[48:06] >> that's very true.

[48:08] >> Yeah.

[48:08] >> Yeah.

[48:08] >> And what's that like to look back and

[48:10] realize that's how you've lived your

[48:11] life?

[48:16] Yeah. I mean, I guess it feels a little

[48:17] unfulfilled would be the word that comes

[48:19] to mind.

[48:20] >> Yeah. Yeah. It's a very poignant way to

[48:24] look at it.

[48:26] >> And how did you start the video that you

[48:28] sent me? You're 55 and

[48:32] >> I don't feel fulfilled. [laughter]

[48:35] [clears throat]

[48:35] >> No surprise. Not where I'm supposed to

[48:37] be, which would be the other way of

[48:39] saying the same thing, right?

[48:40] >> Yeah. So it makes sense that that is

[48:43] your experience and I'm grateful that

[48:45] you were able to be that honest with me

[48:47] because I can see it energetically. You

[48:49] had no choice. So there's no guilt or

[48:51] shame. We're just bringing it to the

[48:52] surface because see when we bring those

[48:55] that are subconscious unconscious to the

[48:56] surface now you can start to be both

[48:59] aware but responsible for it which gives

[49:02] you power.

[49:03] >> Right.

[49:04] And that's what I'm looking for.

[49:06] >> Oh yeah. We're not leaving without me

[49:08] dumping a whole truckload of power on

[49:11] your lap. Okay, don't worry about it.

[49:13] You're a powerful [snorts] being just

[49:14] pretending not to be. And that's why

[49:16] you're emotional, unfulfilled, scared,

[49:19] and living from a place of constant, you

[49:21] know,

[49:23] anxiety to avoid worst case scenarios.

[49:28] >> Yeah. In Yeah. In business, too,

[49:29] specifically. Yeah.

[49:31] >> Yeah. No, I get it. It's going to be

[49:32] everywhere. That's the thing. Whatever

[49:33] lens we look through, it doesn't matter.

[49:35] relationships, business, health,

[49:36] everything is going to be informed by

[49:39] that view. Can you see that?

[49:40] >> Yeah, I can. Yeah.

[49:42] >> So, I know I said a lot um but I want

[49:45] you to understand or at least try to

[49:47] locate what is the biggest lie about all

[49:49] of that. We started at not wanted as I

[49:51] said that's the byproduct revealing the

[49:53] deeper fear

[49:55] and you said yeah that I could fail and

[49:57] I said that means if you fail that you

[49:59] might not

[50:02] >> be okay.

[50:03] >> Yeah. So, I've led you a little bit

[50:06] there, but So, what is the biggest lie

[50:08] that's dictating your whole experience

[50:11] of yourself and life?

[50:14] >> Yeah. That things are not not going to

[50:16] be okay. That things aren't going to

[50:17] work out.

[50:18] >> And more specifically, that you're not

[50:20] going to be okay.

[50:22] >> Yeah.

[50:24] >> So, now, right now with me, why do we

[50:27] categorically know that that's a lie?

[50:29] Give me one piece of evidence.

[50:32] I don't know what's going to happen.

[50:34] >> Well, you'd have no clue. That's for

[50:36] sure. But we could you you know, you're

[50:38] 55 with technology taking care of

[50:40] yourself maybe another 40, 50 years. But

[50:42] you could still keep looking through the

[50:44] lens of you might not be okay.

[50:46] >> That's still going to be exhausting,

[50:48] >> anxiety riddles. You're going to

[50:50] sabotage situations. You're going to

[50:52] feel tightness in your chest. Right?

[50:54] That's still the unknown. But how can we

[50:57] know right now as I speak to you in

[50:59] present time that that's a lie that

[51:01] you're not going to be okay? What's the

[51:03] evidence for it?

[51:05] >> Cuz I'm okay. I'm here. [laughter]

[51:08] >> Exactly.

[51:10] >> Yeah.

[51:11] >> That's the real comedy.

[51:14] You've lived for 50 plus years thinking

[51:16] you're not going to be okay and you've

[51:18] always been okay. Now that doesn't mean

[51:19] it was easy. It was ideal. It was

[51:22] personal preference. It was jackpots

[51:24] and, you know, incredible

[51:27] fortunes and magical [clears throat]

[51:29] love. But, but you're okay, aren't you?

[51:31] >> Yeah.

[51:31] >> You're here.

[51:32] >> I'm okay. Yeah, you're right. I'm okay.

[51:36] [laughter]

[51:36] >> Right. So, what I want you to And this

[51:38] is where it gets even better. You're

[51:41] okay even in the face of your own

[51:44] wiring, thinking you're not going to be

[51:46] okay.

[51:46] >> Right?

[51:49] See, meaning you've had everything

[51:51] stacked against you and you still are

[51:54] alive. You still made it.

[51:57] >> What might become available if you stop

[52:00] looking through that BS lens, right?

[52:04] >> Yeah, true that. [laughter]

[52:08] >> So, we get that looking through the lens

[52:10] that you're not going to be okay, which

[52:12] is the default setting of what I call

[52:13] the 1.0 O mind Mindset of every human

[52:15] being's brain is the way that people

[52:17] relate to the future that creates worry,

[52:19] fear, anxiety, stress, terror, all of

[52:21] it. Right.

[52:22] >> Yeah.

[52:24] >> But we don't know what's going to happen

[52:26] because life is uncertain. So you're

[52:28] taking your view of yourself. I'm not

[52:32] going to be okay. And putting it on top

[52:33] of uncertainty,

[52:35] >> right?

[52:36] >> Do you see? That's what creates the

[52:37] anxiety, the tension, the stress, and

[52:39] the the people pleasing and whatever you

[52:41] got to be a nice guy to make sure you

[52:43] mitigate any kind of bad outcome.

[52:46] >> I see that.

[52:48] >> Which is you in a relationship with your

[52:50] view of the future, not what's going to

[52:53] happen. [laughter]

[52:55] >> Yeah.

[52:55] >> And you wonder why you're unfulfilled

[52:57] and exhausted.

[52:58] >> Right.

[53:00] >> So, what is the lie again?

[53:05] What is the fundamental at the deepest

[53:08] level? What has been your biggest

[53:09] concern? That you're not

[53:13] >> fulfilled.

[53:14] >> No, that's the outcome.

[53:16] >> Oh, I'm going to be okay.

[53:17] >> Yeah.

[53:18] >> Yeah. Yeah. The lie is that

[53:21] >> that's a lie. That is a lie that you're

[53:23] not going to That is a absolute infhatic

[53:26] lie.

[53:27] >> Yeah.

[53:29] Now, if that's a lie,

[53:32] aka it's not a truth. So, that's equally

[53:35] gone, like the not wanted, which was

[53:37] more on the surface why I started there.

[53:39] It's a it's a deep one.

[53:41] >> But if you know categorically that it's

[53:44] a lie that you're not going to be okay,

[53:46] that's gone. You can't relate to life,

[53:48] the future, you, relationships, careers

[53:50] through the fear of you're not going to

[53:52] be okay because you have evidence that

[53:54] you're always going to be okay. Now,

[53:56] okay has got a you know various

[53:57] definitions to it, right?

[54:00] >> Meaning partner stays, partner goes, job

[54:03] comes, job go. Like life happens.

[54:06] >> Yeah.

[54:06] >> But categorically, you're always going

[54:08] to be okay.

[54:10] >> Yeah.

[54:10] >> It might not be what you want. I get

[54:12] that. It might not be comfortable. It

[54:14] might not be personal preference. That's

[54:16] that's, you know, then we're getting

[54:17] into the glazing, you know, that's like

[54:19] refinement. But we're talking primal

[54:21] survival instincts here.

[54:23] >> Yeah.

[54:24] That's what's been driving your fear,

[54:27] >> right?

[54:28] >> But if Sha knows categorically that come

[54:31] what may, I'm always going to be okay.

[54:35] What what becomes available for that way

[54:38] you could walk through life now?

[54:40] >> Yeah. It's it's how you approach

[54:42] everything.

[54:43] >> Well, it's how I approach everything.

[54:44] But I'm like asking you, [laughter]

[54:46] >> right? It's how I Sorry. It's how I

[54:49] would approach everything.

[54:51] >> Yeah, I know. It's brand new. Yeah.

[54:52] >> Yeah. It would be

[54:55] yeah the client meeting the the dinner

[54:57] date the you know the going to bed at

[55:00] night the it would be a different way to

[55:04] live entirely

[55:06] >> completely different world isn't it

[55:09] >> like you thought you hit a point of

[55:11] relaxation your stomach chest tightness

[55:13] had gone but now I want you to feel the

[55:17] masculinity of that perspective

[55:21] >> right I met a little boy. No offense.

[55:23] Any man I talk to is a little boy. Most

[55:25] women I speak to are little girls.

[55:27] You're being you were driven by your

[55:28] wiring.

[55:29] >> Yeah.

[55:30] >> What we're now initiating, this is your

[55:31] right of passage to be a man, Sean.

[55:34] >> Which is a man in the broadest sense of

[55:36] the definition is we could say someone

[55:38] who can handle anything. See, now you

[55:40] can adopt the Navy Seal. Deal with it.

[55:43] >> Got it?

[55:44] >> You couldn't deal with it because you

[55:46] were thinking you can't deal with it,

[55:47] [laughter]

[55:48] >> right? because you're a 13-year-old who

[55:50] couldn't deal with a woman who's like

[55:51] devastated with heartbreak or fear. That

[55:54] wasn't your job.

[55:56] But can you deal with if uh you don't

[55:58] get the contract or if the job changes

[56:01] or you move to a different country or

[56:02] god forbid your partner for whatever

[56:04] reasons in a month or two says, "I'm not

[56:07] sure. I might have to move on." Like

[56:09] again, I know those aren't things you

[56:10] want, but can you see that you can deal

[56:12] with it?

[56:13] >> Yeah,

[56:15] >> you can, can't you?

[56:16] >> Yeah, totally. Yeah.

[56:18] >> That makes you such a different being in

[56:21] every interaction in your life.

[56:25] >> Yeah.

[56:25] >> You feel the power in that?

[56:26] >> Yeah, I really do.

[56:28] >> Isn't that cool?

[56:29] >> It's pretty amazing. Yeah. [laughter]

[56:31] >> Yeah. Like your partner who adors you

[56:34] already and she pro, you know, you're

[56:36] not going to lose your sweetness. That

[56:37] little boy is still part of you. He just

[56:40] doesn't run the show anymore.

[56:42] >> Yeah.

[56:43] >> And when those feelings come up, they're

[56:44] valid. But the man now is like, "I got

[56:47] this. We're going to be fine. Look at

[56:48] us.

[56:49] >> I'm 55. We made it.

[56:52] >> What What is it to be worried about?"

[56:56] >> Yeah.

[56:58] >> Yeah. That's That's uh That's pretty

[57:00] cool. [laughter]

[57:02] >> How does that feel in your body now? How

[57:04] does that land?

[57:08] [snorts]

[57:09] >> Yeah, I'm I'm

[57:11] I'm definitely more relaxed.

[57:13] >> Good. [snorts]

[57:15] Um,

[57:18] I feel like I have

[57:20] a sense of,

[57:23] for one of a better word, grown up here

[57:25] in the last few minutes.

[57:27] >> Yeah.

[57:28] >> Yeah,

[57:28] >> it is. And that's appropriate to say.

[57:30] You You literally have gone from boy to

[57:32] man.

[57:33] >> Yeah. I mean, not that,

[57:37] you know, I I hold space for it, but

[57:40] Yeah. I mean,

[57:42] deal with it is um a really good

[57:44] analogy. And that lands

[57:45] >> Yeah. It lands differently now for a

[57:47] man, right? Like

[57:49] >> imagine

[57:50] >> a 13-year-old and you're the parent,

[57:52] which you sound like you kind of

[57:54] experienced a little bit with the

[57:56] stepfather figure came in for a few

[57:58] years there who was telling you not to

[58:00] flush the toilet or, you know, the way

[58:02] that you were doing whatever. You know,

[58:04] like if you tell that boy, deal with it,

[58:06] that's scary. It's overwhelming. I

[58:08] can't. I'm 13.

[58:11] >> Yeah,

[58:12] >> that's not appropriate. But now you're

[58:14] 55, you're a man and like, oh, I'm

[58:16] always going to make it. Is it going to

[58:18] be my personal preference? Is it going

[58:20] to be perfect? Is it going to be exactly

[58:22] my dreams? No, maybe not. But I'm going

[58:24] to make it. I'm going to be okay.

[58:26] >> Yeah.

[58:26] >> Here's the beauty of that perspective.

[58:29] Typically, that then is the precursor to

[58:31] things working out way better.

[58:33] >> Yeah. because you become way more

[58:35] magnetic and attractive because that's

[58:38] the energy certainly that a woman is

[58:40] drawn to, but clients, customers who

[58:42] want to work with you are drawn to

[58:44] because they feel that sense of power

[58:47] and confidence.

[58:48] >> Yeah.

[58:49] >> Do you see?

[58:50] >> Totally.

[58:51] >> So, the irony is you were living looking

[58:53] through a lens thinking you're not going

[58:55] to be okay. Confirmed by you're less

[58:57] less than, you're not wanted, all of

[58:59] this. I get it. That's all part of your

[59:01] little boy. Yeah,

[59:04] >> but even he was okay. Like you you made

[59:06] it. So it all just falls apart.

[59:09] >> Yeah.

[59:10] >> You know, the professional time it was

[59:12] all BS,

[59:13] >> right?

[59:14] >> And it's human. So we can have

[59:16] compassion for it.

[59:19] >> Yeah.

[59:21] So you get to realize what I would say

[59:24] is your soul's mission is that you and I

[59:27] go this is a bigger conversation but you

[59:30] wanted those experiences of feeling less

[59:33] than not wanted feeling that you could

[59:36] fail and not be okay because your soul

[59:38] is like oh

[59:40] >> I needed to see those to realize why I'm

[59:42] here which is I'm always always going to

[59:45] be okay.

[59:46] >> Yeah.

[59:50] So, it might be a heavy lift out of the

[59:52] gates because I know it's a new world.

[59:53] But even if your partner said to you

[59:54] next week, you know, I love you, but I

[59:57] need to move on. I want to I want to

[59:58] live in Australia. I'm going to do my

[1:00:00] own thing. You can have both the

[1:00:03] experience of your human grief of like,

[1:00:05] well, I love you and I miss you. But the

[1:00:07] underlying power of it's okay. I love

[1:00:10] you and I want you to do what's right

[1:00:12] for you. Now, a real man might say,

[1:00:14] well, it. I'm coming with you if

[1:00:16] that's what you want. You know, like

[1:00:17] there's options, but it wouldn't be from

[1:00:18] a desperate peopleleasing, betraying of

[1:00:21] yourself kind of way. Do you see?

[1:00:23] >> Right.

[1:00:24] >> Yeah.

[1:00:24] >> Okay. Let me hear. Talk to me. I want to

[1:00:26] know like I love you. Is there something

[1:00:28] that I can work on or do you really Do

[1:00:30] you see you come from a different place

[1:00:32] of presence,

[1:00:34] power, responsibility, engagement, not

[1:00:39] fear of your own preservation.

[1:00:41] >> You're trying to plug the holes, right?

[1:00:43] Like it definitely something very

[1:00:45] different than that. Yeah.

[1:00:46] >> Totally different. So, you can still be

[1:00:49] human, meaning I love you and I don't

[1:00:51] want that, but talk to me. Explain why.

[1:00:53] >> Sure.

[1:00:54] >> Do you see? That's more the man of like,

[1:00:56] okay,

[1:00:56] >> if this is your choice and I love you,

[1:00:58] that's going to suck. I'll miss you.

[1:01:00] >> But as a man, you don't know. That's a

[1:01:02] you're having a conversation. Do you

[1:01:04] know what I mean?

[1:01:05] >> Like,

[1:01:06] >> we tend to think the conversation is the

[1:01:08] outcome. No. How many people have said,

[1:01:11] "I'm done. I can't handle this anymore."

[1:01:13] And really what they wanted was to

[1:01:15] express they're done, they're scared,

[1:01:16] they're hurt. But then saying it made

[1:01:18] them feel better and it created

[1:01:20] intimacy. And if in the presence of a

[1:01:21] man, he could say, "I get it. That's

[1:01:23] okay. I'm sorry." Then it you actually

[1:01:25] became closer and the next day they're

[1:01:27] not done. Do you see? It's like,

[1:01:29] >> right?

[1:01:30] >> It's just being open to the

[1:01:32] non-fatalistic view of life, which is

[1:01:34] very childlike, and being the adult man,

[1:01:37] which is there's nothing you can't

[1:01:38] handle.

[1:01:39] >> Right. Yeah.

[1:01:41] Yeah. Yeah, that really lands, Peter.

[1:01:45] >> Yeah, I'm going to look forward to

[1:01:47] watching this back and and uh

[1:01:50] >> yeah,

[1:01:51] >> having my own lines to live with me for

[1:01:53] the rest of my life here.

[1:01:55] >> Yeah. Well, that's my invitation to you

[1:01:57] with the caveat that as I said, the

[1:02:00] older a mind gets sometimes the more

[1:02:02] ingrained those patterns are. So give

[1:02:03] yourself grace

[1:02:05] >> that you know you might in a week or two

[1:02:08] feel like a little bit of fear of loss

[1:02:09] or you know oh my gosh somebody said

[1:02:12] derogatory comment and you go into the

[1:02:14] little boy of like oh I'm less than

[1:02:16] that. Oh okay I can see that that's

[1:02:18] okay. No the person just said something.

[1:02:21] >> Yeah

[1:02:21] >> they were having a bad day. I don't know

[1:02:23] who the hell they are. I don't know

[1:02:24] what's going on but it's all over there

[1:02:26] with them.

[1:02:27] >> Yeah. And you know, particularly if it's

[1:02:30] your partner or particularly someone you

[1:02:32] care about, we can take responsibility

[1:02:34] for we may truly have contributed to

[1:02:37] what they said, right? Like,

[1:02:39] >> oh, I can see that what I did or said

[1:02:41] hurt you. I I take accountability.

[1:02:44] That's power again, but not fault. So,

[1:02:46] you're getting out of fault, guilt, and

[1:02:48] shame, and you're moving into power,

[1:02:50] responsibility, and accountability.

[1:02:52] Totally different energy.

[1:02:53] >> Got it.

[1:02:55] >> Yeah. So, at the end of the day, Sean,

[1:02:58] no matter what happens,

[1:03:01] >> are you going to be okay?

[1:03:02] >> Yeah, I'm going to be okay.

[1:03:04] >> 100%.

[1:03:06] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:03:07] >> Even to the extremes, you know, I don't

[1:03:09] wish it on anyone, but people get

[1:03:11] diagnosed with sicknesses and they go

[1:03:13] through whatever they have to go

[1:03:14] through, but then they're okay. And even

[1:03:16] if they don't, then they're going to be

[1:03:19] okay by not being okay because, like I

[1:03:21] said, we're going to survive till we

[1:03:22] don't, right? meaning we'll deal with

[1:03:24] whatever we have to deal with. It's

[1:03:26] okay.

[1:03:27] >> Right.

[1:03:29] [snorts]

[1:03:29] >> Yeah. Life is going to do what it's

[1:03:31] going to do. Right.

[1:03:32] >> It is. And you're going to respond from

[1:03:35] the perspective now of a man who can

[1:03:38] handle it.

[1:03:39] >> Right.

[1:03:39] >> And what that means is you can handle it

[1:03:41] to the point that even if you can't

[1:03:43] handle this particular situation, you

[1:03:47] handle it by finding someone who can. Do

[1:03:49] you see what I'm like? I I don't know

[1:03:51] how to deal with everything on a car or

[1:03:53] my motorbike or you know it's like but

[1:03:55] I'll find someone who can and that's me

[1:03:57] handling it versus like oh no I don't

[1:03:59] know what to do you know.

[1:04:00] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:04:02] >> It really is a right of passage to you

[1:04:04] being a man like as you said becoming a

[1:04:06] grown-up.

[1:04:07] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:04:10] For sure.

[1:04:11] >> Welcome to manhood. [laughter]

[1:04:13] >> Yeah.

[1:04:16] Yes. I mean, I don't want to downplay

[1:04:19] it, but it's just almost comical, right,

[1:04:20] when you actually

[1:04:22] think about it.

[1:04:24] >> It is. And and and

[1:04:25] >> yourself and

[1:04:27] you know,

[1:04:29] >> yeah, it is from the other side and we

[1:04:32] just want to make sure that we maintain

[1:04:34] humility and compassion because

[1:04:37] >> yeah,

[1:04:37] >> everybody's doing the best they can from

[1:04:39] within the current level of awareness,

[1:04:41] right? So there are people out there

[1:04:43] smoking cigarettes, doing drugs to try

[1:04:45] and escape their suffering. And it's

[1:04:47] easy to say, "Oh, well, they shouldn't

[1:04:48] do that." Yeah. But if you have their

[1:04:50] conditioning and their wiring, you would

[1:04:52] understand, oh, that they feel like

[1:04:53] or they're bad and they're trash and you

[1:04:56] know, they've got their version of some

[1:04:58] sort of inadequacy that manifests in

[1:05:00] their coping style. You just became a

[1:05:02] nice guy who people pleases and betrays

[1:05:04] himself.

[1:05:05] >> See, now you no longer have to betray

[1:05:08] yourself. Somebody loves you for you.

[1:05:09] What a concept. Yeah.

[1:05:13] >> Yeah.

[1:05:14] >> That's powerful though, isn't it?

[1:05:16] >> It's very powerful.

[1:05:17] >> That's kind of like take it or leave it.

[1:05:18] Not in a kind of cocky way, but in a way

[1:05:20] that you know you're a good person and

[1:05:22] that you're doing the best you can. And

[1:05:24] love, that's that's more than sufficient

[1:05:27] for somebody who loves you and you can

[1:05:29] be a work in progress. We, you know,

[1:05:31] you're part of my community and you're

[1:05:33] always wanting to improve as you're

[1:05:34] doing here. But to love you for who you

[1:05:37] are now.

[1:05:39] >> Yeah.

[1:05:41] That's the gift you get to give yourself

[1:05:43] and then someone will meet you, which

[1:05:45] sounds like you already have a beautiful

[1:05:46] partner who does that. But now she'll

[1:05:48] even be able to meet you more.

[1:05:51] >> Yeah. Very much so. Yeah.

[1:05:53] >> Cool, huh?

[1:05:54] >> Yeah. Very cool. Super cool. [laughter]

[1:05:58] I know it can be a little jarring

[1:06:00] because it's a new perspective, but

[1:06:01] you've done a great job. And as you

[1:06:02] said, you'll watch back and I'll check

[1:06:04] back with you in a in a few weeks just

[1:06:06] to see how the the man Sean has been

[1:06:10] dealing with life and he's like, "You're

[1:06:11] not going to believe this." And I'll

[1:06:12] believe I'll be like, "Of course I

[1:06:13] believe it. You're nothing you

[1:06:14] can't handle."

[1:06:15] >> I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah.

[1:06:18] >> Okay.

[1:06:19] >> Thank you so much, Peter. It's truly my

[1:06:22] honor uh to get to do what I get to do

[1:06:24] and to help beautiful humans like you

[1:06:26] particularly who have so much to offer,

[1:06:28] who are so kind, who are so caring.

[1:06:31] These are superpowers that now you get

[1:06:33] to activate in the absence of an

[1:06:36] underlying current of fear and that

[1:06:38] makes you even more potent than the

[1:06:40] difference you can make.

[1:06:42] >> Amazingly put.

[1:06:44] Yeah. Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

[1:06:47] >> My pleasure my friend.

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Anxious attachment often develops when a person experiences early abandonment or loss—like a parent leaving unexpectedly—and the child's nervous system learns to interpret this as personal rejection. That interpretation becomes a blueprint: the person grows up scanning for signs that loved ones will leave, hypervigilant to protect against abandonment. Even in stable relationships decades later, the body still carries the fear encoded at age thirteen.
Your nervous system is running an old program. It learned early that the people closest to you can disappear suddenly, so it stays in a state of alert readiness—waiting for the catastrophe. This isn't about your partner's actual behavior; it's about an interpretation your child mind made long ago and a body still braced for impact. The shoe-dropping feeling is the system's way of protecting you from being blindsided again.
When a child experiences sudden abandonment, they can't contextualize it as an adult might. Instead, the child mind makes it personal: 'I am unlovable. I am not worth staying for.' This interpretation embeds itself in the nervous system as a fundamental belief about self-worth. Decades later, even successful people may carry this deep uncertainty about whether they deserve to be chosen or kept, generating chronic low-grade anxiety.
Yes. When someone learns early that they are not intrinsically worthy of love or protection, they often develop people-pleasing as a survival strategy. By managing others' needs and emotions, absorbing conflict, and never showing their own pain, they hedge against the rejection they expect. It's an unconscious attempt to make themselves indispensable—and therefore unkickable.
Yes, but healing isn't intellectual—it requires the nervous system to learn safety through repeated experience. This happens when someone can gradually increase their vulnerability and discover that they are not abandoned, that they can be fully seen and still kept. It also requires examining the beliefs formed in childhood and asking: Is that story actually true in my present life?
Caution is a measured response to actual risk. Abandonment anxiety is constant vigilance directed at a past threat that no longer exists in the present. Someone with abandonment anxiety may appear fine on the surface but lives with an underlying current of dread and performs okayness to avoid confirming their deep fear that they are unworthy of being kept.

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