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[0:00] So at Dmonite we usually have a theme
[0:04] and um we've done in recent weeks we
[0:08] talked about ethics and then we had a
[0:10] sort of um intermets with uh Surya Gupta
[0:16] um doing two evenings where she told
[0:20] some stories
[0:22] um a Buddhist myth about the spiritual
[0:24] life and we will continue on the topic
[0:28] of stories and in the Next tonight and
[0:31] the next few Mondays we'll be looking at
[0:34] some stories from the early disciples of
[0:37] the Buddha. So the early followers of
[0:40] the Buddha
[0:41] and um most of you will know the story
[0:45] of the Buddha. So he um go uh grew up um
[0:51] quite privileged. he went away from home
[0:55] um after he had some well some sort of
[0:58] quite decisive uh ex experience that
[1:02] sort of triggered some existential
[1:04] questions and then he went on a long
[1:06] quest to find an answer to his
[1:10] questions. Um he tried different
[1:12] teachers, he tried different
[1:14] methodologies.
[1:15] Um and eventually he found uh he found
[1:19] the truth. he found he broke through. Um
[1:23] and then there was this moment where he
[1:26] was almost
[1:28] um hesitating to teach because he wasn't
[1:31] quite sure if what he had experienced,
[1:35] what he had realized, if he could really
[1:37] adequately put it into words that other
[1:40] people would understand. Like would
[1:42] there people uh be people who were would
[1:45] be receptive enough to sort of hear and
[1:47] follow him? But eventually he did he did
[1:50] try first with some of his in a way some
[1:53] of um the people he had shared the quest
[1:56] with. Um and then from there on in a way
[2:00] the word spread and more and more people
[2:02] joined his following
[2:06] and quite a lot of them were um they
[2:09] were monasteries at the time but they
[2:11] were a bit like monks and nuns but
[2:14] without the sort of like institutional
[2:16] building bit mostly. Um and uh at the
[2:21] same time he also talked to people from
[2:24] all walks of life and they also took his
[2:27] advice and um and and followed it as
[2:31] best as they could. So in the next few
[2:33] weeks we'll be looking at some of the
[2:36] really um uh yeah sort of like some of
[2:40] the stories uh that that stand out.
[2:44] Um, and I was wondering like from those
[2:46] of you who've been here before, has
[2:49] anyone been downstairs in breathing
[2:51] space? Anyone seen the tptic, the three
[2:55] the big threepart?
[2:57] Wonderful. What do you What's on there?
[3:00] What can you see on there? Does somebody
[3:02] want to describe?
[3:04] >> Yeah, please. And do say your name,
[3:06] please.
[3:06] >> A
[3:08] >> there's Buddha in the middle. And then
[3:10] on the right hand side, you have Um I
[3:14] would say regular people and then on the
[3:18] left hand side you have some gods some
[3:21] or like yeah some kind of like godly
[3:24] beings I don't know
[3:26] >> to explain that but and yeah that's I
[3:29] can't really say I can't remember the
[3:31] names of each individual of them but one
[3:34] is green one is blue and they're all
[3:36] colorful. [laughter] Yeah, that's a um
[3:39] that's a good description and I would
[3:42] really encourage you I have to say like
[3:44] this painting downstairs is one of my
[3:48] absolutely favorite pieces of Buddhist
[3:51] art. Um it's painted by somebody called
[3:54] Aloha and it's very very beautiful. I've
[3:56] spent many many hours looking at it and
[3:59] as a described there is the Buddha in
[4:01] the middle in the centerpiece and then
[4:04] to uh each side you've got two groups of
[4:07] people that are quite different. So to
[4:10] the left side you have um they they look
[4:14] young, they have jewelry, um beautiful
[4:17] clothes, they look radiant
[4:20] and they're not gods in that sense, but
[4:23] they are sort of uh very sort of they
[4:27] sort of very attained spiritual
[4:28] practitioners, bodhic sattvas. They have
[4:31] made a vow to practice for the benefit
[4:34] of all being and until everyone else is
[4:37] liberated
[4:39] and they are almost like archetypes of
[4:43] different qualities of enlightenment
[4:46] but uh we can't place them in sort of
[4:50] linear time like we can't we won't find
[4:53] I don't know uh um one of them is called
[4:56] Tara I wouldn't find I don't know Tara's
[4:58] teeth somewhere or be able to identify
[5:01] where I don't know where she went to
[5:02] school or something like that. On the
[5:05] other side, and it's very striking in
[5:07] the painting, you've got um uh like five
[5:11] people. They sort of are basically in
[5:15] rags. They're a bit old,
[5:18] um bold, and they are all so radiant,
[5:21] but in a very different way. They look
[5:23] happy, but they don't have this sort of
[5:25] like beautiful clothes, jewelry, youth.
[5:28] So they are placed in time and they are
[5:32] um some of the Buddha's early disciples.
[5:35] So some of the people that were around
[5:38] when uh the Buddha first taught and some
[5:41] of them were or in fact all of them were
[5:44] quite instrumental in furthering the the
[5:48] SA and so these it's these sorts of
[5:51] people we'll sort of talk about in the
[5:53] next few weeks
[5:55] and why uh yeah why did we decide to uh
[5:59] focus on those for um a period of time?
[6:03] why talk about them and I think there's
[6:06] something really um really there's sort
[6:09] of several different aspects so one
[6:11] aspect is
[6:13] um the Buddha he in a way found the
[6:16] truth himself but all they all learned
[6:20] from a teacher or from several teacher
[6:23] mainly from the Buddha but sometimes um
[6:25] and in the story I'm going to tell
[6:27] tonight there are other um monks nuns
[6:32] that have like a quite an important
[6:34] impact. So it's sort of um there's
[6:37] something about learning uh sort of like
[6:40] learning from a teacher and also they
[6:43] all have very distinct qualities.
[6:45] They're sort of identifiable as their
[6:48] own people. So there is from um Shahi
[6:52] Prra who was then known to be like the
[6:55] wisest of all the Buddha's disciples.
[6:58] um so much so that in later times he
[7:01] almost became a caricature.
[7:04] Um so he's he really stands out for his
[7:08] wisdom. Um then you have Morgayana who
[7:11] um is said to had very high sort of
[7:14] psychic powers. Um then you have Ananda
[7:18] who was the attendant of the Buddha and
[7:20] in fact memorized many of the things
[7:23] that the Buddha said and is probably one
[7:25] of the key reasons why we have the
[7:27] records that we have about what the
[7:30] Buddha said and taught. So they all they
[7:33] all have each of their individual
[7:35] qualities um but also they all have
[7:38] contributed in their particular ways and
[7:42] so we can also take them uh take them as
[7:44] an inspiration and in fact um
[7:48] particularly uh yes in fact there is
[7:51] quite a lot of um sort of reverence
[7:54] there are some temples dedicated to them
[7:57] uh and all of that.
[8:00] Um yeah, so tonight I'm going to uh
[8:04] start telling the story uh of one of
[8:07] them and as I'll I'll start a bit before
[8:10] the break and then we're going to do
[8:11] some meditation and then I'll continue
[8:14] after the break. Um and we might uh end
[8:19] with a with a poem depending on how it's
[8:21] going. But as I sort of tell the story,
[8:25] just uh maybe think about like what you
[8:28] would have done in that person's shoes
[8:30] or like just sort of like yeah try it on
[8:33] a bit or yeah just um yeah how's that
[8:37] landing for you? What might you have
[8:38] done uh in that person's shoes?
[8:42] Um so the story I'm going to tell uh
[8:45] tonight is about a person called
[8:48] Upetisa.
[8:50] Um, Suetissa lived obviously in the time
[8:54] of the Buddha and he had a very very
[8:57] good friend uh, Kolita
[9:00] and they grew up grew up um, in a rural
[9:04] area which is near Rajkin in uh, modern
[9:08] day India
[9:10] or what would be Rajkin modern day India
[9:13] and um, they're from a Brahman
[9:16] background which means that they were
[9:18] sort of in the top stratum of society.
[9:21] that um and particularly
[9:24] he had very good education
[9:26] um and um yeah he had been friends uh
[9:30] with Kita since childhood allegedly they
[9:33] were even born on the same day
[9:36] and so one day um there was a festival
[9:40] in the village they lived in we don't
[9:42] we're not told what the festival was but
[9:44] quite a big festival uh loads of food
[9:48] dances music. um lot of yeah very merry
[9:53] people and um the two friends they were
[9:57] sort of sitting a bit um to the
[9:59] periphery I'd sort of imagine they might
[10:02] be sitting somewhere on a on a wall at
[10:06] the edge of town looking onwards maybe
[10:09] uh on what's happening with the
[10:10] festivities
[10:12] and they both just had a really I don't
[10:14] know a really nice meal and probably
[10:16] taking part in the dancing and the music
[10:20] and feeling and sort of having a little
[10:22] chat about uh I don't know the the food,
[10:26] the music, whoever's visiting, all that
[10:29] sort of stuff. And then as it is in
[10:32] those sorts of uh uh moments, the
[10:35] conversation sort of moves on to a bit
[10:39] more existential topics, a bit more like
[10:43] um yeah, the the the meaning of life,
[10:46] impermanence or all that sort of thing.
[10:50] And eventually um the uh he sort of
[10:55] expresses that he's really enjoying the
[10:57] festival but in a way that uh he's sort
[11:01] of just become aware that it's all like
[11:04] all these people um that he so loves and
[11:08] that he sort of experiences all this joy
[11:11] with. um one day um all of them are
[11:16] going to die and he will die and his
[11:18] best friend Kita will also die and there
[11:21] is and Kita sort of he um he sort of
[11:24] joins in he's sort of like yeah there's
[11:27] something this is really beautiful but
[11:29] there is something there is something I
[11:32] don't know deeply unsettling here and
[11:35] yeah what does it mean for us what do we
[11:37] do what do we do about that there must
[11:39] be something more than than this there
[11:42] must be something more. And so out of
[11:45] this conversation that sort of happens
[11:47] at the um in the periphery of this
[11:51] festival um they um they made a pact.
[11:55] They make a they make a vow to each
[11:57] other. they say um that they're going to
[12:01] find a spiritual teacher
[12:04] um and
[12:07] or whoever finds the best spiritual
[12:09] teacher is going to let the other person
[12:12] know. And so that sort of and I guess we
[12:16] can probably all relate of like the sort
[12:18] of things we might say at an evening to
[12:20] our best friends like at the end of a
[12:22] party and then not come back to after a
[12:24] while, isn't it? So uh but in these this
[12:27] case of these two uh guys um they
[12:31] actually go about and go on a bit of a
[12:34] search and what they do is um they find
[12:38] a wandering teacher at the time there
[12:40] are quite a lot of wandering teacher uh
[12:42] teachers and um this teacher's name is
[12:46] uh Sanaya and um they sort of get
[12:50] involved in that sort of local
[12:52] community. the teacher sort of teaches a
[12:56] philosophy that's in a way
[12:59] sort of encouraging them to step back
[13:01] and not get too involved with life in a
[13:04] certain way and that seems all right and
[13:07] so they they go along with that for a
[13:09] while and um it's sort of meeting the
[13:13] need for the spiritual quest to a
[13:15] degree. Maybe there is something more to
[13:17] be had, but maybe that's also quite
[13:19] okay.
[13:21] And that's sort of where um yeah, sort
[13:26] of that's sort of what they're doing.
[13:27] And then one day um Petissa he goes I
[13:32] think he's just walking around the
[13:33] village and he sees somebody begging and
[13:38] uh for arms. So, one of these wandering
[13:41] aesthetics uh somebody in a robe um
[13:44] asking going from house to our house
[13:47] asking for arms food and he's really
[13:50] struck somehow this person has got
[13:54] something about them. Um
[13:57] there's something about them and I'm
[14:00] just going to go sort of um open it up
[14:04] to you. What might have be might it have
[14:07] been that he might have seen or noticed
[14:09] about this person?
[14:14] What would make you stop in your tracks?
[14:17] And it wasn't physical attraction.
[14:21] It's more about the inner qualities.
[14:23] Anyway, give me some suggestions.
[14:27] >> Radiance.
[14:29] >> Radiance. Okay.
[14:33] Yeah. Do you want to say like how does
[14:35] one radiate?
[14:36] >> Well, I suppose it is beautiful, but
[14:39] maybe like an inner calm.
[14:41] >> Mhm.
[14:41] >> Yeah. Like a glow aura.
[14:44] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[14:46] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Inner calm. A glow. Um
[14:49] there was a hand
[14:51] >> uh freedom from clinging.
[14:54] >> But how do you see that in somebody? How
[14:56] does that look like?
[14:59] just not being attached to
[15:02] what people usually attach to.
[15:04] >> Mhm.
[15:06] Okay. Interesting.
[15:10] Energy and the humble experience of
[15:14] going from door to door.
[15:17] >> Yeah. Energy and being humble. Yeah.
[15:20] Mhm. Yeah. Um
[15:24] >> I think if someone was very still, I
[15:26] would notice
[15:28] People often bustling around just sat or
[15:31] stood.
[15:32] >> Yeah.
[15:33] >> Stop in my tracks.
[15:35] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.
[15:37] Stillness. Yeah.
[15:39] >> I mean, I'm just guessing because I
[15:40] don't know. He
[15:42] >> more of us were there.
[15:44] So I think maybe maybe this was a person
[15:47] of like an older age and had also like w
[15:51] like looked quite wise which I would
[15:53] sometimes say some people have this like
[15:55] very wise facial expression and like
[16:00] eyes that are like they've they've
[16:04] experienced something
[16:06] um yeah unique. I don't know like but
[16:09] some people sometimes you see someone
[16:11] and you're like oh this is like an old
[16:12] white my person which yeah recently I
[16:17] haven't seen a lot of these people but
[16:19] [laughter]
[16:22] >> it's right
[16:23] >> yeah yeah but you sometimes you are
[16:26] something and you're like
[16:28] >> wonder what that person lived through
[16:30] and like they look very wise
[16:34] >> yeah [clears throat] yeah I'm going to
[16:36] give you the
[16:37] >> um sense of nonattachment and freedom
[16:39] >> yeah sense of nonattachment and freedom
[16:41] yeah yeah So,
[16:44] or you work.
[16:45] >> Oh, no. I was going to say someone who's
[16:46] grateful. If if the person is going
[16:49] around collecting,
[16:50] >> they don't know what they're going to
[16:51] get and they're not they're just
[16:55] grateful
[16:56] >> and they practice gratitude.
[16:58] >> Yeah.
[16:59] >> Every interaction they have.
[17:01] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, none of us was
[17:03] there. So, we were not quite sure what
[17:06] saw and this person that really stopped
[17:08] him in his tracks. But I think it's a
[17:11] really interesting it's a quite an
[17:13] interesting reflection for us around
[17:15] like what are qualities that we feel
[17:19] drawn to um and because often these are
[17:22] the qualities that we feel like we we
[17:25] don't have so much in ourselves. So I
[17:27] think it's a really interesting point of
[17:29] reflection like what uh what do we feel
[17:32] drawn to and who does embody that for us
[17:35] and when do we come across people who
[17:37] really like they haven't really said
[17:39] anything wise yet but we they somehow
[17:42] look wise uh they they are calm they
[17:45] seem to be free in some sort of way like
[17:48] yeah that's I think it's a really
[17:49] interesting reflection
[17:52] anyway so um to cut a long story short
[17:56] uh Opetusa approaches um this monk his
[18:00] name is Asvit and he um asks him uh and
[18:06] I think by that time he's sort of he's
[18:08] trying I imagine he like he's sort of
[18:10] trying to stay calm like he's he's sad
[18:13] he's waiting until he's finished the
[18:15] arms round and has sat down and then he
[18:17] makes some offerings but he's probably
[18:19] also quite excited um and so he's asking
[18:22] him like who's your teacher what does
[18:24] this teacher peach and where can I find
[18:28] them? And um as Vajet um is quite modest
[18:34] and he says like you know what I'm
[18:36] actually the wrong person to ask because
[18:38] I'm not really very long with this
[18:40] teacher. um he's called the Buddha and
[18:43] the thing that he um yeah he's I don't
[18:47] know he sort of says quite yeah I'm not
[18:50] the best person to ask here basically
[18:52] I've I'm not been with him very long and
[18:56] sort of insist he's like if you can just
[18:57] give me like can you give me a little
[18:59] snippet like what's the sort of essence
[19:02] and eventually as um says the words of
[19:07] all the things that from a cause arise
[19:09] the tatagata that's the Buddha and the
[19:12] cause thereof has told and also how they
[19:15] cease to be. This is the doctrine, the
[19:18] teaching of the Buddha. Of all those
[19:21] things that from a cause arise, the
[19:23] Buddha, the cause thereof has told and
[19:26] also how they cease to be, this is the
[19:30] teaching of the Buddha. Now, I'm not
[19:32] sure about you, but when I first read
[19:34] this, I felt a bit bamboozled. Wasn't
[19:37] immediately obvious to me, but to our
[19:39] friend Ukatisa, he's sort of the penny
[19:42] drops and he really has an insight. It
[19:45] sort of really means something uh to him
[19:48] and he recognizes it as a teaching
[19:51] around how all um how all things arise
[19:56] in condition in dependence upon
[19:58] conditions and when the condition sees
[20:01] then the things also sees. So I'm going
[20:04] to which is a different basically a
[20:06] different formulation of what we for
[20:08] example know as the four noble truths.
[20:11] Um, and I'm going to talk a bit in the
[20:13] second half about uh what it uh what it
[20:16] means and sort of unpack it a bit.
[20:19] Anyway, so that's the what hea learns
[20:22] and then he um yeah, he has quite a deep
[20:26] sort of it's say it's m making quite a
[20:29] deep impact on him. Um, and uh, then
[20:34] Ashvajid also explains to him where to
[20:37] find the Buddha.
[20:38] And um, and I think I'm going to keep it
[20:42] at that. I'm going to keep it at that
[20:44] for before the break. And we're going to
[20:47] do some meditation.
[20:50] Um and for this meditation
[20:54] um I will invite you to in a way imagine
[21:00] what it might have been like to sit with
[21:03] the Buddha. So what used to happen back
[21:06] in those days was that um there was a
[21:10] sort of routine where some members of
[21:12] the SA would go out and uh collect arms
[21:16] food um or they would wander through the
[21:19] forest and then at certain periods of
[21:21] time all the community would come
[21:23] together usually around the full moon
[21:26] and would sit uh with the Buddha as well
[21:28] as do various other things. Um and so um
[21:33] yeah and I think there is something
[21:35] about
[21:36] uh sort of imag imagining that entering
[21:39] into that realm. So let's um assume a
[21:44] meditation posture. So yeah, before the
[21:47] break we heard the story of Upetissa or
[21:52] I was telling the story of Upetissa and
[21:55] um his and his friends quest
[22:00] for
[22:01] well a teaching that was really
[22:04] meaningful to them and sort of through
[22:07] which they would gain freedom.
[22:10] And I described how he was really struck
[22:17] by seeing this monk Ashid on the arms
[22:20] round and ask him for uh his teacher and
[22:24] what the teaching was and then as after
[22:28] some reluctance about how um he's
[22:31] actually not been with this teacher for
[22:32] very long h says this verse about like
[22:36] that all um everything arises upon
[22:39] conditions and when the condition sees
[22:42] then um that thing also ceases. And now
[22:48] what does this what does this mean? Um
[22:51] so there's something about so one of the
[22:54] central uh I guess central teachings of
[22:57] uh Buddhism is that there is uh we ex so
[23:01] we uh we experience suffering and
[23:06] we either experience direct suffering uh
[23:09] through um not getting what we want or
[23:13] getting what we not want. And even in
[23:16] moments where we actually think we've
[23:18] got everything like he had uh it sounded
[23:22] like he had pretty much everything and
[23:25] still there was this niggling feeling.
[23:27] Is this really everything? Is there
[23:29] something else? So often even when like
[23:33] on some level it's going really well
[23:36] there is this this uh this sort of
[23:39] feeling of like oh is there something
[23:41] else or how long is this going to last?
[23:44] And so there is this inherent in
[23:47] unsatisfactoriness.
[23:50] And often what we do is um so rather
[23:55] than um sort of
[23:59] uh meeting the world in the spirit of
[24:02] things arise on conditions and they
[24:04] seize on seizing of conditions where
[24:06] sort of like oh I need that thing that's
[24:09] going to make me happy or I really need
[24:11] to avoid that thing because that's going
[24:13] to be terrible. And so through this
[24:16] pushing and pulling we create the
[24:18] conditions for our own suffering in a
[24:20] way but we can also create the
[24:24] conditions for that suffering uh to
[24:26] cease and that that's sort of one of the
[24:29] central teachings um of the Buddha and
[24:32] there is sort of small aspects and
[24:35] glimpses to that. So hopefully in the
[24:38] meditation you might have got got some
[24:41] little glimpses of some feeling of calm
[24:44] and peacefulness um and confidence um
[24:48] and openness and relaxedness. Uh but
[24:51] then there's sort of the what the Buddha
[24:55] attained was a state where he would
[24:57] always he would always be like that no
[25:00] matter what he was was faced with. Um
[25:03] and so that's sort of what uh what we're
[25:05] what we're we're working towards and
[25:07] that was what was behind that sort of
[25:10] initially quite cryptic uh um sort of
[25:14] teaching that got from from Ashvajid.
[25:18] And so um yeah so we know this as the
[25:21] four noble truths. Um so there there is
[25:25] suffering. It uh arises in dependence on
[25:29] conditions but these conditions can
[25:32] cease and there is a way that we can
[25:34] tread. There is a path that we can tread
[25:37] um to go beyond that and we can do that
[25:40] by working out on our minds by um
[25:44] practicing ethics. We recently had a few
[25:48] evenings on the topic of ethics and
[25:50] precepts. Um yeah we can those we can do
[25:54] that by contemplating the Buddha we can
[25:56] do that by uh doing ritual by studying
[25:59] the Buddhist teachings. So we can create
[26:02] conditions uh for us um yeah for for to
[26:07] we can create different conditions in
[26:09] our lives
[26:11] and that was the teaching that aissa got
[26:14] and he also ashit also taught him where
[26:17] to find the Buddha. And now what do you
[26:21] think happens next? What does Upetissa
[26:24] do next?
[26:27] >> He goes looking for the Buddha.
[26:29] >> He goes looking for the Buddha. Yeah.
[26:31] Okay. Any other thoughts on what he
[26:35] might do next?
[26:36] >> Goes back to his friend and says, "I
[26:39] know this teacher who knows where Buddha
[26:41] is." And then the other friend is like,
[26:44] "Ah,
[26:47] yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[26:48] yeah, yeah. I mean, we could do a show
[26:51] of hands. And who thinks he goes
[26:53] directly to the Buddha?
[26:57] [laughter]
[26:59] Yeah, I mean, by now it's quite obvious.
[27:01] So, um, he doesn't go directly to the
[27:03] Buddha. Um
[27:06] he goes back to his friend because they
[27:08] made this vow to each other that they
[27:10] would let each other know if they found
[27:13] somebody that or something that looked
[27:15] like that was the real deal. Um and so
[27:18] he goes back to Kita and it is said that
[27:22] even as he was approaching his friend um
[27:26] his friend already noticed that
[27:29] something was different. You know,
[27:31] sometimes you see a friend or a work
[27:34] colleague and you can know like
[27:35] something good has happened or something
[27:37] bad has just happened. And Kita looking
[27:40] at his friend up, he clearly knows
[27:42] something has happened. Um he looks
[27:45] radiant. He looks really happy, sort of
[27:47] energetic. Um and um Kita thinks, "Oh,
[27:53] maybe he's finally found the person."
[27:56] And so uh Upetisa then tells him what
[28:00] happened tells him about the monk that
[28:02] he's found on an Alps round and what the
[28:05] monk told him and um in a way uh so I
[28:10] said that while Ashvij was talking to he
[28:14] had this sort of realization
[28:16] and the same now happens for Kita and so
[28:20] they have a um and it's not just a
[28:22] little glimpse it's something changes
[28:24] for them permanently
[28:26] It's they have a they have quite a big
[28:29] uh sort of breakthrough. They're not
[28:31] enlightened yet, but they both have
[28:33] quite a big breakthrough um and are from
[28:36] now on called what's called the stream
[28:38] entrance. Somebody who's made
[28:40] significant progress on the path so that
[28:42] they're not going to fall back anymore.
[28:44] But that's that's a detail.
[28:47] Um and what do you think do they do
[28:50] next?
[28:54] They go to the Buddha. [clears throat]
[28:57] >> They go and go for No, they don't go to
[28:59] the Bu Buddha. They do one other thing
[29:01] before that.
[29:05] >> They donate everything they have.
[29:07] >> No.
[29:10] >> Celebrate.
[29:12] [laughter]
[29:13] >> Maybe maybe we don't know. It's it's not
[29:15] much more people to go together. H. So,
[29:20] did I mention that they had this teacher
[29:23] Sanjaya?
[29:24] I mentioned that earlier, isn't it? And
[29:27] nominally, they're still with this
[29:29] teacher by the time Opetisa finds
[29:32] Ashvette. So, they're still with this
[29:34] teacher and this teacher by now is sort
[29:36] of quite established there. It said they
[29:38] has about like 500 disciples.
[29:41] Um and so they're talking amongst
[29:44] themselves and after some deliberation
[29:46] they decide actually no we need to
[29:49] actually go um to our teacher and also
[29:52] to the other people because we found we
[29:56] I mean effectively we found something
[29:57] that's probably more effective than what
[29:59] they're practicing at the moment and we
[30:01] should share it and so they go and um
[30:08] and primar in the first instance
[30:10] approach their uh their teacher
[30:14] and say like look we've met this monk uh
[30:17] he's uh his teacher is the Buddha
[30:20] um
[30:22] and um just by hearing this uh few
[30:26] verses it's had a really big effect it's
[30:30] like really made quite a big uh um
[30:33] changed really quite how we look out
[30:35] onto the world really different from
[30:38] what we've sort of been doing here
[30:40] together before. Um, do you want to come
[30:43] with us?
[30:46] And what do you think he says?
[30:50] >> No.
[30:51] >> He says no. Sorry, who said that? Was
[30:54] that you? Oh, yeah. Why does he say no?
[30:56] >> Because he's got his 500
[30:59] disciples because he doesn't want a new
[31:01] boss.
[31:03] [snorts]
[31:03] [clears throat]
[31:04] >> Well, that's uh one way of saying it,
[31:07] but yeah,
[31:07] >> he probably says yes. Oh, you think he
[31:10] says yes? Why do you think so?
[31:12] >> I don't know because like I think there
[31:14] is another story like with the dharma
[31:16] story that
[31:17] >> I don't like just Buddha has a wake of
[31:19] convincing people to come to
[31:21] >> maybe he's mad that he's not the only
[31:24] Buddha in the town and he wants to
[31:26] [laughter]
[31:31] teach here.
[31:34] Well, well, he can't claim to be a
[31:37] Buddha and in a way there is something.
[31:39] So, these two disciples come to him and
[31:41] they must have been with him for a while
[31:43] now. So, he knows them fairly well and
[31:46] he can clearly see that something big
[31:47] has happened for them. Um, and so he
[31:51] probably it seems that he uh sort of he
[31:54] also has the impression he gets like
[31:56] there is something more there is
[31:58] something more that he could have. But
[32:01] he says like, "Look, I'm a teacher. I
[32:05] can't go back to being a disciple again.
[32:08] I'm really sorry."
[32:10] And in fact, uh he is said to have said
[32:16] um or asked the um uh Opatissa and Kita,
[32:21] "What do you think? Are there more fools
[32:23] or wise people?" And they are like,
[32:26] "Well, there are more fools than wise
[32:28] people." Well, then how about you take
[32:31] the wise people and I take the fools,
[32:34] which obviously could we could think is
[32:37] sort of quite a crass thing to say. But
[32:40] then if we sort of translate it a bit.
[32:44] So he said, "I'm really sorry, I can't
[32:47] come with you and do this teaching which
[32:50] is looks like it's effective because I'm
[32:53] a teacher. I can't go back to being a
[32:56] student." He could have also said like,
[32:58] "Oh, I'm really sorry. I can't do this
[33:01] thing, which would be clearly really
[33:02] effective because I've got this job and
[33:05] I can't get away." Or, "I'm really
[33:09] sorry, but I'm in this relationship and
[33:11] I can't get away." Or, "I'm just this
[33:14] person that I am, or I'm just the age
[33:17] that I am, and you're so young." Or, you
[33:19] know, that could be many other things
[33:21] that he might say. um that sort of uh
[33:26] that sort of have the same flavor of
[33:28] like holding on to something. Um so in a
[33:31] way it's sort of there he's aware there
[33:34] would be a price to pay um to go further
[33:38] and he's not happy to he's not happy to
[33:41] pay it and um yeah I'd be interested um
[33:48] I'd be interested have you ever come
[33:50] across a situation like that in your own
[33:53] life um where there's clearly something
[33:57] and it might not have been like a more
[33:59] exciting writing teacher, but it might
[34:00] been like something that sort of like it
[34:02] would have clearly been very good, but
[34:04] actually something might have been in
[34:07] your circumstances or that sort of was
[34:10] holding you back and how yeah, how how
[34:14] did that sort of how did that sort of
[34:16] turn out? Um
[34:19] anyway, maybe you could have a chat in
[34:21] small groups about [clears throat] that
[34:23] and we'll probably all find out that we
[34:25] have a bit of this teacher Sanjaya in
[34:28] us. We've been in various smaller and
[34:32] bigger moments probably. Anyway, so
[34:34] yeah, why don't we do like a small group
[34:36] discussion for um five minutes or so?
[34:41] And if you're with us online, just maybe
[34:44] reflect on the question or write
[34:46] something down.
[35:10] I haven't
[35:13] done that.
[35:24] after
[35:48] it
[36:29] Oh yeah. Yeah.
[36:33] department
[36:44] here. It's like
[36:56] [clears throat]
[37:11] sound like
[37:27] Then
[37:50] I realized
[37:59] >> [laughter]
[38:05] >> I'm sorry.
[38:25] I'm looking
[38:37] for
[39:04] And I really
[39:19] >> [laughter]
[39:41] >> Thank you.
[39:57] Okay.
[40:10] Brilliant.
[40:19] Hallelujah.
[40:38] Maybe you need to break, guys.
[40:45] [laughter]
[41:10] >> [music]
[41:21] >> Yeah. So I'd be interested if anyone
[41:24] wants to share like if you have been in
[41:26] a situation like that and if you have
[41:28] actually been able to overcome whatever
[41:32] it was that was holding you back like
[41:35] what helped you? Was there something
[41:37] that helped you?
[41:47] What I shared is is that [clears throat]
[41:49] if if is this thing that we think is our
[41:54] ultimate potential.
[41:56] Then
[41:58] everything that we've done until we get
[42:00] there
[42:02] has been that
[42:06] >> it has
[42:07] >> although although we have other
[42:08] perspective
[42:10] >> yeah that's
[42:13] that's one way of looking at it. Um it's
[42:24] how to point. So in one on one level
[42:26] that's sort of that's true. It's in it's
[42:30] there but also um I guess one could
[42:36] justify
[42:37] behaving not very well with that and
[42:41] it's not it's sort of like that's not
[42:43] meant in a way. I think the
[42:47] the there are there are let me try to
[42:50] explain this a bit better. I think there
[42:53] are glimpses and aspects of Buddhaood
[42:57] that are always there and that are
[42:58] available in our experience. But I think
[43:01] if I now I don't know um go outside and
[43:05] slap the next person that I see that's
[43:07] not an expression of Buddha of
[43:09] Buddhahood and I can't claim it is if
[43:11] you see what I mean. That's a that's a
[43:13] but yeah so there is something about
[43:15] like yes but also
[43:20] caution anyway. Yeah.
[43:24] [snorts] Um
[43:26] sorry.
[43:26] >> Yeah.
[43:27] >> Um we didn't touch on this because we
[43:29] had an interesting discussion but um for
[43:32] me I I have gone through situations like
[43:35] this many times
[43:36] >> all the time.
[43:37] >> Um and I think ultimately I started
[43:40] exploring my fears. Mhm.
[43:41] >> And what it is that I'm really really
[43:43] scared of. And I think there were a
[43:45] couple fears that I started
[43:46] understanding about myself, which is I'm
[43:48] afraid of fear
[43:50] >> and the sense of fear in my body is
[43:53] keeping me from doing things. So I start
[43:55] to understand it and honor it and work
[43:57] on that one. And then there are
[43:59] underlying fears like fear of dying
[44:01] alone, which is a fear that I've
[44:03] discovered a couple years ago. Um, and
[44:05] then fear of loneliness. So those were
[44:07] like the big fears that I started to
[44:09] learn about. And when I saw them as
[44:12] such, then I was way more able to work
[44:14] with them. And then it's been easier for
[44:17] me to at least understand why I make a
[44:19] decision that could be ultimately
[44:21] potentially better for me. And then I've
[44:23] obviously made many decisions where I've
[44:26] acknowledged it and then gone for the
[44:28] decision because I felt it was better
[44:29] for me. But it's definitely been a
[44:31] journey
[44:32] >> and it comes up all the time.
[44:35] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I really like
[44:36] how you say like there's a sort of
[44:40] There is an aspect of that um because
[44:44] what we're talking about here on some
[44:46] level is sort of like is this are we
[44:48] turning towards are we turning away
[44:50] isn't it and that's the decision we sort
[44:52] of make every every moment. Are we
[44:54] turning towards our experience or are we
[44:56] turn turning away? And what you
[44:59] described sounds like you've um yeah,
[45:02] you've then really looked at fear and in
[45:05] a way befriended your fear and in a way
[45:06] grew your tolerance to be with aspects
[45:10] of your experience that are unpleasant.
[45:13] Um and that's helped you to make better
[45:15] decisions. So we could think that if
[45:18] this in the story like if this teacher
[45:22] um sort of if he had really looked into
[45:26] what's holding uh what's holding him
[45:28] back he might have also and grown sort
[45:30] of his tolerance of being with the
[45:33] [clears throat] things he was afraid of
[45:35] and so on that that would u might have
[45:38] also helped him to take a different
[45:39] decision. Yeah,
[45:45] >> please.
[45:46] >> Um, I guess kind of a more practical
[45:49] example like closer to
[45:52] >> I I did like the intercourse here a year
[45:55] and a half ago it was and I really liked
[45:57] it. I really enjoyed it. I found quite a
[45:58] lot of like benefits in the conversation
[46:00] and everything and the meditation. Then
[46:03] slowly like afterwards after finished
[46:04] the course I was like oh keep coming to
[46:06] the center or keep meditating and then I
[46:09] would always then start finding oh well
[46:11] no I need to like
[46:12] >> like go to work or I need to you know
[46:15] spend time with my partner or my friends
[46:17] and you know I don't have time for this
[46:18] now do it tomorrow or do it you know
[46:20] next time next week and then it's been
[46:23] like a year and a half you know and I
[46:25] guess like the thing that kind of helped
[46:27] me And I I do feel like a need for like
[46:30] the spirit like to be involved in like
[46:31] the spiritual life a little bit.
[46:33] >> Um and I guess the thing that kind of
[46:35] let help me to overcome this is my
[46:38] friend. He told me like let's go to the
[46:39] Buddhist center together. [laughter] We
[46:41] started going now.
[46:45] >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. we make all these
[46:46] micro decisions even like in the morning
[46:48] do we get up and meditate or like in the
[46:51] evening um are we getting out of the
[46:54] house or are we I don't know going to
[46:56] stay in uh um or are we going to dite or
[47:00] are we I don't know staying in so yeah I
[47:02] think yes I think it sounds like the
[47:04] story when one reads it it sort of
[47:06] sounds a bit fast but in a way it is
[47:08] really relevant to our everyday life
[47:12] um let's move on a bit um
[47:14] >> do we know What happened with that
[47:16] teacher? Ah I have I so basically his
[47:20] >> what's the consequence of [laughter]
[47:26] >> so basic so basically his um so his
[47:31] group of disciples split and it is said
[47:34] that about half of them went with and
[47:37] kita and the other half they stayed with
[47:39] him but what's what happens after that
[47:42] is we don't we don't know um yeah so but
[47:46] yeah the that his group splits and it is
[47:49] sort of said it's roughly equal. Um so
[47:52] in a way um what this means then is that
[47:56] um
[47:57] so when Upetisa and Kita finally go and
[48:02] see the Buddha um they're not on their
[48:05] own. They're coming with an entourage of
[48:07] 250 people. So you basically the Buddha
[48:11] can see them approaching from far and
[48:15] that's what he does. The Buddha sits
[48:16] there. Um he's surrounded by some uh
[48:20] some of it his followers and this big
[48:23] group of people is approaching with
[48:25] these two guys at in the front and the
[48:27] Buddha um looks at that and then turns
[48:30] round to um his other followers and and
[48:34] sees look who's approaching there. Look
[48:36] at these two um at the front. They are
[48:39] going to be my two foremost disciples.
[48:44] Um so he he sort of in a mysterious way
[48:49] he knows like these two people they have
[48:52] quite a big potential. I mean not
[48:53] everybody turns up with 250 people
[48:56] following but anyway um and when they
[49:00] finally then reach the Buddha um they
[49:02] make the traditional they bow they make
[49:04] the traditional offerings
[49:07] and um are promptly uh basically um
[49:12] basically ordained by the Buddha. So
[49:14] they take the refues and precepts
[49:18] and then the Buddha gives them their new
[49:20] names. So Upatissa is Shahi Putra who
[49:24] later becomes known as the wisest and
[49:28] wisest disciple of the Buddha and Kita
[49:30] [clears throat]
[49:31] becomes Moayana the one with the the
[49:34] psychic powers.
[49:36] So and they do in fact uh they are known
[49:40] as the two principal disciples of the
[49:43] Buddhas. So much so that um in a way
[49:46] they have their own over in in Buddhist
[49:50] history they have their own like
[49:51] monuments dedicated to them and there
[49:54] are relics of them going around and all
[49:56] that sort of stuff. So that all becomes
[49:59] what the Buddha says it becomes true
[50:01] over time. But after the Buddha has
[50:04] ordained them h says uh come monks and
[50:07] nuns the dharma has been well proclaimed
[50:09] by by the um has been well proclaimed
[50:13] live the spiritual life for the complete
[50:14] ending of suffering and then um he also
[50:19] ordains the other 250 people that
[50:21] they've sort of turned up with.
[50:25] Um and I just want to say because I
[50:27] think the word disciple is not a very
[50:30] common word uh anymore. So in a way um
[50:35] so these they were also they were also
[50:37] ordained. Not all the followers of the
[50:39] Buddha were ordained. Um and in that
[50:43] time the word that sort of um
[50:48] in a way means being a disciple it was
[50:52] called Travacan. means uh the hearer
[50:55] because hearing was very important
[50:58] because the teachings were passed on by
[51:01] hearing. So a few few hundred years
[51:04] before anything was written down um
[51:07] people would basically memorize what the
[51:09] Buddha said and particularly Anand the
[51:12] attendant of the Buddha was known for
[51:14] having like a phenomenal memory and
[51:16] basically being able to memorize a lot
[51:18] of the uh the talks of the Buddha. Um
[51:22] and so that's how the teaching was
[51:24] passed on. While uh the word that we
[51:28] have the disciple means more the learner
[51:31] and what that means is that it's not
[51:33] just somebody who's got an academic
[51:35] interest in Buddhist studies and a
[51:38] degree in that but somebody who really
[51:39] applies it in their life. Um and what
[51:45] what one needs in order to do that is a
[51:47] sort of re receptivity and openness to
[51:51] the influence of somebody who's further
[51:53] along the path. Which is why this idea
[51:57] of a teacher is so important. But it
[52:00] doesn't mean like blindly believing uh
[52:02] in somebody or something or conforming
[52:06] or being dependent upon. It's got that
[52:09] it's like from the outset um Buddhist
[52:13] was a Buddhism was a sort of initially
[52:15] oral tradition but it is a tradition
[52:17] where teachings are being passed down
[52:20] from from person to person. Um yes and
[52:24] there is
[52:26] uh while there are Buddhist scriptures
[52:28] there isn't like a one Buddhist
[52:30] scripture that one can sort of hand on.
[52:32] It's very much a sort of experiential
[52:35] thing that gets passed from somebody
[52:37] who's sort of further along to the next
[52:39] person.
[52:41] And Shah Pcher then as I said so he
[52:44] becomes known as the wisest disciple and
[52:47] in fact he spends uh one of the things
[52:50] he becomes known for is that he
[52:52] elaborates on the Buddha's teachings. So
[52:55] when the Buddha says something like um
[52:57] or like maybe I'm guessing some of the
[52:59] things would have been almost like pith
[53:00] teachings like the sentence I read out
[53:02] earlier. So then Charutra or I would for
[53:05] example then expand on what it actually
[53:08] meant and how to apply it. Um and yeah
[53:11] he was known for a very clear uh
[53:13] communication of the Buddhist teachings
[53:15] and he helped a lot of the other people
[53:18] um in the sit lot of the other followers
[53:20] to understand and to gain insight
[53:24] but also it said that he was uh really
[53:27] humble so he and that he would be open
[53:32] to be corrected on anything uh by other
[53:36] people in the SA even if they were way
[53:38] more junior than him. Um,
[53:41] [clears throat] and he wasn't just a
[53:43] sort of um,
[53:45] I don't know, a sort of
[53:48] slightly dry I don't know, know it all
[53:52] or something like that. He um, it's also
[53:55] said that he, for example, when people
[53:58] when the other monks nuns went out on
[54:00] their alms round that he would often
[54:03] stay behind. He would sort of clean the
[54:05] quarters. He would look after the sick,
[54:08] like if they were walking somewhere, he
[54:09] would stay behind. He would sort of look
[54:11] after the those who were um less able to
[54:15] walk or a bit older. So, he had that
[54:17] side to himself, too. Um and there's
[54:20] this really lovely story
[54:23] basically um towards the end of his
[54:27] life. Um he knew that he was coming
[54:31] towards the end of his life and he
[54:35] decided to go and see his mother. So by
[54:40] that time because he had been living as
[54:43] a monk for such a long time um they had
[54:47] grown a bit distant
[54:50] and um so he went to see his mother
[54:54] and um while he was there he was
[54:58] receiving quite a lot of visitors of
[55:01] like all the people who appreciated his
[55:04] teaching and the exposition of teaching
[55:06] that he gave. And so his mom was then
[55:10] welcoming all these visitors for him and
[55:13] hearing all these stories about him and
[55:15] about how he helped all these people and
[55:17] so on. And in a way that sort of changed
[55:21] their relationship. So from being a bit
[55:23] distant, she then actually started to
[55:26] really appreciate what he had done in
[55:29] the intervening time and all um yeah and
[55:33] sort of how he spent his life and what
[55:36] he had been doing with um his life and
[55:39] ultimately that also got her interested
[55:42] in the teaching and it is said that Chai
[55:45] Putra then uh basically also um well he
[55:50] he sort of gave heard the teachings
[55:53] before he died and she also gained
[55:56] insight and then started to practice
[55:59] going forwards.
[56:01] So yeah, and there's loads more there is
[56:04] loads more stories and sometimes it's
[56:06] shyutra and mogulana together and
[56:08] sometimes it's just chipotra but it's
[56:10] sort of quite interesting because um
[56:12] yeah there there are all of these
[56:14] different stories about
[56:17] so um
[56:21] I guess one thing we can reflect on and
[56:23] maybe also uh again in small groups
[56:26] there's something about maybe let's
[56:29] actually do this Um
[56:33] uh let's do the introvert version of a
[56:35] friendly version first and do an
[56:37] individual reflection first.
[56:40] So
[56:42] maybe
[56:44] yeah, if you just sit comfortably for a
[56:47] moment and close your eyes.
[57:07] So I've painted this picture of this
[57:11] spiritual quest and this friendship.
[57:15] Um and then somebody who yeah so Sher
[57:19] put as somebody who
[57:22] becomes very well known and very
[57:25] important in the SA and is both wise but
[57:29] also humble, a good friend and
[57:32] compassionate.
[57:34] Um,
[57:36] is there any aspect of these qualities
[57:39] that you would like or which of these
[57:42] qualities would you most like to
[57:44] cultivate right now or would help you
[57:46] most right now?
[57:51] And it might be things that I haven't
[57:54] mentioned, but sort of that spoke
[57:58] for you, that spoke to you out of the
[58:01] story that I've told.
[58:27] And then
[58:30] how could you be a bit more like Shahi
[58:34] Putra? And for example, in this week,
[58:38] what is one thing that you could do to
[58:40] be a bit more like Shah Putra in your
[58:43] life?
[59:25] >> [music]
[59:31] >> And then the invitation is to return
[59:34] into your small groups. And if you want
[59:37] to share anything of what you were
[59:39] reflecting on, do share it.
[59:43] If you're
[59:45] want to commit to something that you're
[59:47] going to do this week to be more
[59:48] sharper.
[59:50] Uh then you can remind each other.
[59:55] So yeah, small groups.
[59:57] >> Um I want I want to be more still I
[1:00:00] think
[1:00:01] >> and I gave the example today. I was I
[1:00:04] had a I had a meeting at work and it's
[1:00:07] it's quite it was quite a long one.
[1:00:09] >> Mh. And I got towards the end and I was
[1:00:12] finding it really hard to sit still and
[1:00:14] I was just like fidgeting and just like
[1:00:17] playing with staplers, tapping on the
[1:00:19] table and and I and I was aware I was
[1:00:21] doing it and I was like I really cannot
[1:00:23] sit still right now. I really need to
[1:00:25] move around like I want this to end.
[1:00:29] >> Um
[1:00:30] >> and yeah, I think for me this week I
[1:00:33] want to try and be a bit more still and
[1:00:36] um try and maybe I that like try and
[1:00:42] ground myself and sit [snorts] sit
[1:00:44] still, scan and then hopefully stay a
[1:00:49] bit more relaxed so I'm not as frantic
[1:00:51] or in making decisions in the wrong
[1:00:54] place or just you know just moving for
[1:00:57] the sake of it rather than like
[1:01:00] deliberate decisions.
[1:01:02] >> Thank you. Yeah, thanks for sharing.
[1:01:05] Yeah,
[1:01:07] >> I feel like uh staying humble
[1:01:10] uh while progressing on a spiritual path
[1:01:14] is important and uh the the insight I've
[1:01:18] got from the story is that uh even he
[1:01:22] was very acknowledged. Uh he was very
[1:01:25] chill about it and uh I feel like uh ego
[1:01:29] likes to be uh holy. Ego likes to be
[1:01:33] enlightened and uh better than others,
[1:01:37] right? And uh sometimes uh like while
[1:01:41] progressing on a spiritual path, people
[1:01:44] may may get diverted
[1:01:46] uh and start enjoying the feeling of it
[1:01:49] and uh like
[1:01:56] and it works the other way around.
[1:01:57] Rather than detaching from ego, we
[1:01:59] become attached to the feeling of um
[1:02:03] being spiritual.
[1:02:04] >> Yeah. Exactly. That can happen. Yeah.
[1:02:07] Mhm.
[1:02:09] Yeah. Yeah. Thanks for sharing those. Um
[1:02:13] yeah. So I think we're that sort of um
[1:02:18] yeah gives you some snippets of one of
[1:02:21] the lives of
[1:02:23] of one of the disciples of the Buddha
[1:02:26] and um
[1:02:30] yeah we're going to continue in the next
[1:02:32] few weeks and apply explore a few more
[1:02:35] other um stories
[1:02:38] and yeah see where where they can sort
[1:02:40] of apply to our lives And um I wanted to
[1:02:44] finish with um it's a poem which is not
[1:02:49] particularly about Shahutra but it is
[1:02:51] more about following the Buddha uh which
[1:02:54] is what I guess Shutra and others did
[1:02:58] and to some degree is also what we're
[1:03:00] doing and um it is by our founder
[1:03:04] Sangraitta
[1:03:06] and um it was written in 1949 so some of
[1:03:11] the language is a bit from that um age
[1:03:14] but I find it very beautiful
[1:03:16] and somebody has said it to music and my
[1:03:20] thought is a bit dry but I will try and
[1:03:21] sing it. So um yeah, Shri Pada
[1:03:27] [clears throat]
[1:03:29] I saw his shining [singing]
[1:03:31] footprints
[1:03:33] gleaming in the grass like dew.
[1:03:36] [singing]
[1:03:37] The flowers where they had fallen
[1:03:42] sweeter and fairer [singing]
[1:03:44] grew.
[1:03:46] They led into the distant hills.
[1:03:51] Those hills [singing]
[1:03:52] are misty blue.
[1:03:56] I will follow. I will follow. [singing]
[1:04:01] Need the spring moon full and bright
[1:04:05] through field and cups and holo
[1:04:10] those footprints of delight. [singing]
[1:04:15] And walk upon those distant hills.
[1:04:20] Warned dawn all golden white.
[1:04:25] This many an age of darkness
[1:04:30] since the days my lord did pass
[1:04:34] leaving his dewy footprints. [singing]
[1:04:38] La pearls upon the grass
[1:04:42] and ran weeds have [singing] overgrown
[1:04:46] them and thorns obscured our
[1:04:52] yet will I follow boldly
[1:04:57] using the hunter art
[1:05:02] until one day I [singing] find him
[1:05:06] from all things else aart.
[1:05:12] Sitting beside [singing] the pool of
[1:05:16] peace
[1:05:18] in the blue hills of my heart.
[1:05:25] So, thank you very much.
[1:05:29] Have a good evening. [applause]
