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The Antidote to Imposter Syndrome: Lessons from a Phonetics Class

Jonathan Foust
Jonathan Foust
Oct 20, 2026
11 min read

From Jonathan Foust

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A student in a graduate classroom in Niamey, Niger, raises a hand and asks for the difference between a voiced and an unvoiced interdental fricative. The man at the front of the room holds a master's degree in English, a single college course in the history of the language, and a working knowledge of how to spell his own name in the phonetic alphabet. He has been hired to teach phonetics anyway. In this talk, Jonathan Foust uses that moment, and the feeling of being in over your head, as the starting point for an examination of imposter syndrome: what it is, how the doubting mind keeps it alive, and what he offers as its antidote. That antidote unfolds in four movements. The first is the power of being onto yourself, meaning self-awareness. The second is thinking outside the box of fear and doubt. The third is the shift from living inside a private hallucination to getting on board with reality. The fourth is living from authenticity. The talk was given on a tour hosted by the Insight Meditation Community of Washington.

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How does a livestock manager end up teaching graduate phonetics?

The story starts long before Niger. Foust recalls being eight or nine years old when the Peace Corps was founded. In the Quaker meeting where he was raised, one of the early volunteers, a member of that meeting, came back to present on his service, which Foust believed had been in East Africa. The reception left a mark on the boy who was watching.

"It was kind of the equivalent of someone coming back from the war, you know. Looked really cool, looked really noble what he was doing. Also looked like it was uh had a lot of growth." (Jonathan Foust, in the talk, around 7:24)

What Foust filed away was two things at once: the image of the returning hero, and the sense that the work was doing good in the world. Those two threads would pull him toward the Peace Corps for decades, though the route was anything but straight. In college he was finishing a degree while co-managing a thousand-acre farm and its livestock operation, a 500-hog enterprise. He is the first to point out how odd that sounds. "Can't believe now that I was a livestock manager," he says in the talk. When he checked in with a Peace Corps recruiter on campus, the answer was that the agency was full up on teachers. The recruiter's reaction to the hog operation, though, was enthusiasm: "we could really use that."

A year of teaching high school in New Mexico followed, and then a downsizing that, as Foust puts it, made it clear that last hired, first fired applied to him. He went to the recruitment office in Albuquerque with his master's and his English degree. Again the answer was that they were full up, this time on livestock managers. What they needed, it turned out, was someone to teach phonetics. Foust said yes. He was, by his own account, "being rather hopeful" that he could do it.

What happens when you say yes before you know the answer?

Foust's account of arriving in country is the heart of the talk's opening movement. The position at the University of Niamey, at the Ecole des Lettres, turned out to be graduate-level phonetics, taught to students who were in many cases much older than he was. They were teachers who returned every couple of years for further study, and most of them spoke at least five languages. He had prepared with one course and a spelling exercise.

"I was stepping into something called imposter syndrome. And that is the topic of of this exploration. What is the antidote to imposter syndrome? I was in over my head." (Jonathan Foust, in the talk, around 10:43)

The classroom moment he describes is almost comic in its precision. A student asks for the voiced and unvoiced interdental fricative. Foust answers that it is an excellent question but that they will cover it in due time. Then he goes back to his office and looks up what an unvoiced interdental fricative is, so that he can present it the next day. He explains, for listeners who want the sound itself, that the difference is the one between the "th" in "the" and the "th" in "thing," with the tongue placed between the teeth. What matters more is what he did next. He learned the material, and he learned how to teach it, "because I had to."

There is a further layer he does not let himself off the hook for. He mentions that after sharing this story, someone commented on it as "a stunning story of white male privilege." His response is blunt: "absolutely. It was just assumed I could do it." The talk holds both things at once. The imposter feeling was real, and the reason he was handed the job at all was partly that nobody questioned whether he could do it. Acknowledging that structure is not a distraction from the lesson about self-doubt; it is part of seeing the situation clearly, which is where the talk is headed.

What is the first step: being onto yourself?

The first movement of the antidote is simple to state and harder to practice. Foust calls it "the power of being onto yourself." The idea is that once you become aware of the pattern, things begin to shift. The talk's description frames the work as investigating inner states, which means noticing the self-talk that says you are not qualified, the negativity bias that tilts your perception, and the sense of not being enough, as they arise rather than after they have hardened into conviction.

Self-awareness does not make the feeling vanish. In Foust's telling, it changes your relationship to it. When he was standing in front of a room of experienced multilingual teachers, the imposter feeling was a set of thoughts; once he could see it as a thing happening in him, he could also see that he had a next move, which was to go find out what an interdental fricative was. Awareness creates a small gap between the feeling and the action, and that gap is where choice lives.

How do you think outside the box of your doubt?

The second movement addresses what Foust calls thinking outside "the box of your fear and your doubt." The doubting mind has a way of closing in on itself. It catastrophizes, a phrase the talk uses directly, turning a single hard question into proof that the whole venture is a mistake. The box is built out of those conclusions, each one reinforcing the walls.

Stepping outside the box does not mean arguing with each thought until it surrenders. It means recognizing that the mind's verdict is one output among many, and that the doubts are not facts about your worth. The student's question was an opportunity, not a judgment. Foust's answer, to defer the question and then research it, shows the move in action: he refused to let the moment of not-knowing become a verdict on whether he belonged.

What does it mean to move from hallucination to reality?

The third movement is the most striking in its language. Foust describes the shift "from being lost in your own personal hallucination to getting on board with reality." That phrase is blunt, and it is meant to be. An imposter's story is not simply a mistaken opinion; it is a private version of events that feels entirely convincing from the inside. The antidote is to check that version against what is actually going on: the classroom, the students, the material that can be learned, and the work already underway.

Getting on board with reality is a practice of humility rather than self-punishment. Foust was not in fact a phonetics expert on arrival, and he did not pretend to be one. He also was not a fraud in the sense the imposter story insists on. He was a person in a difficult position doing the next available thing. Seeing that clearly is what loosens the grip of the hallucinated narrative.

What does the Greek mask have to do with authenticity?

The fourth movement is living from authenticity, and Foust approaches it through an image from ancient Greek theater. Actors wore masks made of linen or sometimes terracotta, with exaggerated expressions. Some covered half the face, some three-quarters, some a helmet, some the full face. The mask let one actor play many characters, each one fully inhabited for the length of the scene.

"We wear different masks all the time. You're a son or a daughter, a a father or a mother, a a sibling, a provider, a creator, a spiritual warrior. And what happens is with all the different masks that you wear, sometimes we get attached to the mask and we forget the persona." (Jonathan Foust, in the talk, around 13:20 to 13:59)

The point is not that masks are bad. Actors need them, and so do parents, teachers, and anyone who answers to a role. The trouble begins when we forget the person behind the mask and take the mask to be the whole truth about us. The imposter feeling often lives right there, in the gap between the role we have accepted and the self we believe we actually are.

Foust applies this directly to his own case. "We take on some mask," he says, "for in this case I was taking on the mask of being a phonetics professor, but I wasn't so sure I was up for it." (Jonathan Foust, in the talk, around 14:44) The mask was a role he had been handed, and he wore it while privately doubting he could fill it. Authenticity, in this reading, is not the absence of a mask. It is remembering who is wearing it.

Is imposter syndrome always a problem?

Foust does not treat the feeling as purely negative. He describes a balance between reaching and challenging ourselves, and overreaching, which brings its own insecurity. The image is of extending "out a little bit further over your skis than it was comfortable." The discomfort is part of growth. Taking on a role you are not yet sure of is how capacity develops. The imposter feeling marks the point where the reach has gone just past the edge of what you can yet hold, and the work is to notice it without collapsing.

He also places the feeling in a wider human context, quoting the teacher Werner Erhard: "5 billion people thinking they're unique is not unique." The line is a reminder that the sense of being uniquely unqualified is itself a widely shared experience. Foust returns to the idea that imposter feelings are common, which takes some of the isolation out of them.

How can you use these questions in your own week?

The talk offers its own starting questions, and they work well as a private practice. Foust asks listeners to remember a time when they were attached to what they were presenting to the world, when they extended further than was comfortable. From there, the four movements give a rough sequence. Notice the doubt as it arises. Ask whether the doubting mind is building a box around the situation. Check the story against what is actually happening. And then ask which mask you are wearing and whether you remember the person underneath.

The description of the talk points toward a further aim: turning attention to sincerity, service, and what it calls the possibility of a life of authenticity and overflow. In Foust's own account, the answer to the imposter feeling is not a boost of confidence. It is a shift in what you attend to, away from proving your worth and toward doing the work in front of you with honesty.

Where to go from here

This article draws on the opening movement of Foust's talk, which covers the Peace Corps story, the Niamey classroom, and the four-part framework. The later sections, including the fuller treatment of the doubting mind, the move from hallucination to reality, and the closing reflections on authenticity, are best heard in the full recording, which runs about 52 minutes. The talk's description notes that the teachings are offered freely, with an optional invitation to support the work through the speaker's site. For anyone who has ever been handed a job they were not sure they could do, the classroom story alone is worth the time: it shows the feeling in its ordinary, sweaty, deeply human form, and then shows what someone did next.

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[5:12] >> Well, hi there. Jonathan Foust here. I

[5:14] hope you are doing well and you are

[5:15] thriving in your life. Couple quick

[5:17] announcements and an introduction to

[5:19] this talk.

[5:20] Thank you to the Insight Meditation

[5:22] Community of Washington for hosting this

[5:23] tour. Producer Glenn Harrison, a big

[5:25] thank you to Rita Moran, our mindful

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[5:44] Nothing. This is all offered in the

[5:46] spirit of generosity. Just as I received

[5:48] so much through these practices and

[5:50] teachings

[5:51] from so many generous teachers, I've

[5:54] been inspired to do the same. So, please

[5:56] help yourself and welcome.

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[6:00] anything my way to support me in my

[6:02] lavish lifestyle, I appreciate that,

[6:04] too, but no worries.

[6:06] All right.

[6:07] So, here's a topic I think

[6:10] maybe you can relate.

[6:12] The whole idea that

[6:16] you're not qualified to show up in life.

[6:19] The impostor syndrome.

[6:21] It affects all of us in different ways.

[6:23] Just a sense of not being enough, being

[6:26] kind of limited by that negativity bias,

[6:28] the self-talk that holds you back. How

[6:30] do you transform it?

[6:33] There's a somewhat

[6:36] simple but not easy solution.

[6:38] And this talk dives into that. I found

[6:41] it to be super super helpful in my life,

[6:43] and I hope you might find it helpful,

[6:44] too. So,

[6:45] the antidote to impostor syndrome. I

[6:48] hope you enjoy the following talk.

[6:53] I must have been around 8 or 9 years old

[6:56] when when the Peace Corps was founded.

[6:59] And in my Quaker meeting where I was

[7:01] raised,

[7:04] one of the early volunteers came to our

[7:07] Quaker meeting. He was a member of our

[7:08] meeting, and he gave a presentation

[7:10] about the service he did and I believe

[7:13] it was in East Africa.

[7:16] There was something um about his not

[7:19] only

[7:20] >> [cough and clears throat]

[7:21] >> Excuse me. His presentation,

[7:24] uh but how he was received by uh by the

[7:27] Quaker meeting. It was kind of the

[7:28] equivalent of someone coming back from

[7:30] the war, you know. Looked really cool,

[7:33] looked really noble what he was doing.

[7:35] Also looked like it was uh had a lot of

[7:38] growth and uh

[7:40] and I I thought to myself, I'm going to

[7:42] do that.

[7:44] Not only from from the 9-year-old sense

[7:47] of like being the returning hero,

[7:51] but also the fact that it was

[7:54] doing good in the world.

[7:57] So, I kind of filed that away and when I

[7:59] was in college,

[8:01] um while I was working on my degree, I

[8:04] was also co-managing about a thousand

[8:07] acre farm and managing the livestock

[8:11] operation. It was going to be about 500

[8:13] hogs.

[8:15] Can't believe now that I was a

[8:18] livestock manager, but

[8:20] at one point I noticed there was a Peace

[8:22] Corps recruiter at the college and I

[8:24] thought, well, let me check in and I

[8:26] said, uh listen, I'm going to have my

[8:28] master's in a year.

[8:30] Uh what kind of possibilities might

[8:32] there be for me next year?

[8:34] And the guy said, you know, we're pretty

[8:36] full up on teachers.

[8:38] Is there anything else that you've done?

[8:41] I said, well, I

[8:42] you know, I'm managing this 500 hog

[8:46] operation. He said, oh my gosh. Well,

[8:49] wow, we could really use that.

[8:51] Um I thought, well, that's interesting.

[8:53] So, kind of filed that away and I after

[8:56] I got my degree, I taught for a a year

[8:58] in New Mexico in a high school.

[9:01] And um

[9:03] when there was a downsizing and it was

[9:05] clear that last hired, first fired, um I

[9:09] went back and I went to the uh

[9:11] recruitment office in Albuquerque.

[9:14] And I went and I said, hey, um I have

[9:16] this experience as a livestock manager

[9:18] and

[9:19] the guy said, well,

[9:21] um we're kind of full up on that. Have

[9:23] you done anything else? I said, well, I

[9:25] have my master's and you know, degree in

[9:27] English and he goes, oh, wow, that's

[9:29] what we need.

[9:30] And he said, could you teach phonetics?

[9:33] Um I said,

[9:35] sure.

[9:38] So, I got a position at the

[9:42] the University of Niamey in Niamey,

[9:44] Niger and at the Ecole des Lettres

[9:46] uh teaching phonetics.

[9:49] Now, when I said I could teach

[9:51] phonetics,

[9:53] I was being rather hopeful uh that I

[9:55] could that I could teach phonetics.

[9:57] I took a course in the history of

[9:59] English language and I learned how to

[10:01] spell my name in the phonetic alphabet,

[10:03] but that was pretty much it.

[10:06] And when I got in country, um it was

[10:09] revealed to me that not only would I be

[10:11] teaching uh phonetics in the university,

[10:14] I would be teaching graduate level

[10:16] phonetics

[10:17] with much older students. These are

[10:19] students um or teachers who've been

[10:22] teaching

[10:23] uh for years and every couple years they

[10:25] get to come back and do more study. So,

[10:28] many of my students were going to be

[10:29] much older than me. Um

[10:32] most of them spoke at least five

[10:34] languages and had a a very sophisticated

[10:37] uh approach to language.

[10:41] I was

[10:43] stepping into something called imposter

[10:45] syndrome. And that is the topic of of

[10:48] this exploration. What is the antidote

[10:51] to imposter syndrome?

[10:54] I was in over my head.

[10:57] In one of the classes, one of the

[10:59] students said, "Mr. Faust, could you

[11:02] explain the difference between a voiced

[11:04] and unvoiced interdental fricative?"

[11:08] To which I said, "That is an excellent

[11:10] question,

[11:12] but I don't want to get ahead of where

[11:13] we are in the class.

[11:15] So, uh

[11:16] we will cover that in due time."

[11:19] I would go back to my office. I would

[11:20] look up what the heck an unvoiced

[11:22] interdental fricative was

[11:24] >> [laughter]

[11:24] >> and then be able to present it.

[11:29] By the way, a voiced and unvoiced

[11:31] interdental fricative is the difference

[11:33] between

[11:34] the

[11:35] and thing.

[11:37] So, your your tongue interdental and the

[11:40] fricative part.

[11:43] I shared this story before and someone

[11:46] commented, um what a stunning story of

[11:49] white male privilege.

[11:51] To which I have to say,

[11:53] absolutely.

[11:54] It was just assumed I could do it.

[11:57] And I said yes, and there I was thrust

[12:00] in over my head. But nonetheless, there

[12:02] I was totally over my head.

[12:05] And I have to say, I really learned

[12:09] about phonetics and how to teach

[12:10] phonetics.

[12:11] Uh because I had to.

[12:14] But what I would like to talk about

[12:17] is

[12:19] when it comes to this feeling of

[12:21] imposter syndrome, that is to say where

[12:23] you are

[12:25] where you don't feel qualified

[12:28] for whatever position you're in,

[12:30] whatever wherever you are.

[12:32] First, I'd like to talk about the power

[12:34] of being onto yourself. Like once you're

[12:36] aware of it, things begin to shift.

[12:40] Second thing I'd like to talk about is

[12:42] what it means to think outside the box

[12:44] of your of your fear and your doubt.

[12:48] The third part of that is that shift

[12:51] from

[12:52] being lost in your own personal

[12:54] hallucination to getting on board with

[12:56] reality.

[12:58] And fourth,

[12:59] I'd like to talk about what it means to

[13:01] live from authenticity.

[13:06] In ancient Greek plays,

[13:09] when they put on a play, they wore

[13:11] masks.

[13:13] And the masks were made of linen or or

[13:15] sometimes in terracotta. They kind of

[13:17] had exaggerated expressions. Uh some

[13:20] masks were like half the face, some were

[13:22] three-quarters, some were a helmet, some

[13:24] were full face.

[13:26] But it allowed the actors to play

[13:28] multiple characters.

[13:30] So they would put on the mask and become

[13:32] that persona.

[13:35] And I find that to be just a really

[13:37] wonderful metaphor.

[13:39] Because we wear different masks all the

[13:41] time.

[13:43] You're a son or a daughter, a a father

[13:45] or a mother, a a sibling, a provider, a

[13:48] creator, a spiritual warrior.

[13:52] And what happens is

[13:55] with all the different masks that you

[13:57] wear,

[13:59] sometimes we get attached to the mask

[14:02] and we forget the persona. We we we we

[14:06] we forget who we are behind the persona,

[14:08] I mean to say.

[14:11] So, can you think of a time when you

[14:13] were attached to what you were

[14:15] presenting to the world, to your mask,

[14:17] and and maybe extended out a little bit

[14:20] further over your skis than it was

[14:22] comfortable?

[14:26] And what I find is with imposter

[14:28] syndrome, we tend to think of like

[14:30] imposter syndrome is bad, but I really

[14:33] feel there's this balance of of reaching

[14:36] and challenging ourselves,

[14:38] and then overreaching and the insecurity

[14:40] that comes with that.

[14:44] We take on some mask, for in this case I

[14:47] was taking on the mask of

[14:49] being a phonetics professor,

[14:52] but I wasn't so sure I was up for it.

[14:59] Imposter syndrome is quite common.

[15:02] And as um

[15:04] the teacher Werner Erhard said, "5

[15:06] billion people thinking they're unique

[15:10] is not unique."

[15:12] One of the first antidotes to posture

[15:15] imposter syndrome is to recognize it.

[15:18] It is such a common phenomena

[15:21] where we doubt our accomplishments

[15:24] and we fear that we're going to be

[15:26] exposed as a fraud.

[15:29] As soon as we begin to acknowledge our

[15:31] feelings of self-doubt

[15:34] and as soon as we begin to understand

[15:35] that a lot of successful people

[15:37] experience

[15:39] imposter syndrome either at some point

[15:40] in their lives or even currently

[15:43] something begins to shift.

[15:45] Because mindfulness is all about

[15:48] self-awareness

[15:50] and recognizing patterns.

[15:54] The classic patterns we talk about are

[15:56] referred to as the the five hindrances

[15:59] or the five obscurations.

[16:03] That is when your mind is filled with

[16:04] aversion.

[16:06] When you are caught in

[16:08] anger, judgment, blame, ill will

[16:11] it's impossible to be fully present in

[16:14] the moment.

[16:16] The second is craving. It's the wanting

[16:18] mind.

[16:19] When you are fantasizing, planning

[16:24] again, impossible to be present.

[16:27] The third has to do with the worried

[16:29] mind, the restless mind, the

[16:31] hyper-vigilant mind. It just can't

[16:32] settle because it's scanning

[16:34] for danger, scanning for what's next.

[16:39] The fourth is sloth and torpor. It's the

[16:41] the numbing out. It's the kind of the

[16:42] heaviness.

[16:44] It's the the sort of spiraling down into

[16:47] depression quality of mind.

[16:51] So, aversion, craving, restlessness

[16:54] that's almost too much energy and the

[16:56] other sloth and torpor not enough energy

[16:59] leave us with the fifth

[17:02] of these mind states, which is doubt.

[17:07] So, imposter syndrome is not so unique.

[17:11] But if we don't look closely at how we

[17:14] live or how we don't live

[17:17] then we're just

[17:19] as Thoreau said, doomed to live lives of

[17:22] quiet desperation.

[17:25] Yeah, you were trapped inside the box of

[17:28] of the mind.

[17:32] And the question becomes, how do you get

[17:34] outside the box?

[17:36] How do you move from this sense of the

[17:39] attached to the to the false persona,

[17:41] attached to the mask

[17:43] to a sense of of real authenticity?

[17:51] Whenever you take on anything new, we're

[17:53] just plagued with doubt.

[17:56] Over time, we kind of mature into it.

[17:58] I'd like to talk a little bit about

[18:00] that.

[18:01] An example of a of a young umpire and an

[18:04] old umpire in baseball.

[18:08] The young umpire is asked, "Well, tell

[18:10] me what a strike is."

[18:13] And the young umpire says, "Well, it's

[18:15] when the ball is kind of between the

[18:16] knees and the chest and from the from

[18:19] the shoulders from one shoulder to

[18:21] another."

[18:23] The old umpire, when he's asked

[18:27] "What's a strike?" he says,

[18:30] "It's a strike

[18:31] when I say it's a strike."

[18:34] You can sense the difference there.

[18:36] One needs to justify themselves and one

[18:39] has just arrived.

[18:46] When you find yourself with any sense of

[18:49] imposter syndrome, or we can even

[18:51] translate this into into

[18:54] caught in the ignorance of doubt,

[18:57] it's very helpful to turn and

[18:59] investigate

[19:01] and to see the patterns.

[19:05] If you find yourself at times caught in

[19:08] perfectionism,

[19:10] a feeling like what you're doing just

[19:12] isn't enough and a little bit more is

[19:14] going to put it over the top.

[19:16] That may be a sign.

[19:19] A sense of the mind catastrophizing.

[19:21] Once they find out who I am, it's all

[19:23] over.

[19:25] Setting unrealistic standards, comparing

[19:28] yourself to someone who's been around

[19:30] for a long time.

[19:33] If you find your mind focusing on what's

[19:35] not working

[19:36] and discounting positive feedback,

[19:40] those are signs of

[19:43] being caught

[19:44] in paralyzing doubt.

[19:48] If you find yourself procrastinating

[19:50] because you're not wanting to take

[19:52] risks,

[19:53] you're not wanting to be exposed,

[19:56] that's a pretty good sign.

[20:00] We live most of our lives

[20:04] conforming,

[20:06] driven by the need to fit in.

[20:10] And at some point in our lives,

[20:13] a question begins to emerge.

[20:15] And that question is something like

[20:17] this.

[20:19] Whose life am I living anyway?

[20:23] Am I just living the programming set in

[20:26] place by my parents and by my culture?

[20:31] How much am I driven by by fear?

[20:34] The fear of failure,

[20:36] the fear of loss,

[20:38] the fear of shame.

[20:41] How much of my life is driven by the

[20:43] need to be

[20:46] successful, by the need to win, by the

[20:48] need for praise?

[20:52] Those questions are really powerful

[20:54] because what they start to do is they

[20:56] begin to deconstruct

[20:58] all of that conditioning.

[21:01] And they begin to point the way,

[21:04] and only point the way cuz there's a lot

[21:06] of work to do there.

[21:08] To learn what it means to be authentic,

[21:11] what it means to be true to yourself.

[21:16] The poet Dana Falls offers these words

[21:20] in this poem called Choosing Life.

[21:25] The downward spiral starts.

[21:29] Self-doubt and darkness lie for center

[21:31] stage, while I, the passive drowning

[21:34] one,

[21:37] waiting for my demise.

[21:40] Just as I sink beneath the waves, my

[21:42] despair

[21:43] of despair my a thought arises. Why go

[21:46] there?

[21:48] I've made this trip a thousand times,

[21:50] and it leads nowhere.

[21:54] I am choosing life.

[21:58] And the darkness lifts just a little.

[22:01] I'm choosing life.

[22:04] The downward spiral slows, then stops.

[22:09] I'm lifted up and buoyant now, not

[22:12] shrinking from the truth.

[22:14] Okay, I'm not perfect.

[22:17] And reality

[22:18] certainly doesn't look like what I

[22:20] choose.

[22:22] And maybe that's the only point.

[22:25] To ride the spirals down and up,

[22:28] and make the choice for life.

[22:35] Being caught in that false persona,

[22:39] and the fear of being exposed, though

[22:41] the fear of not enough is a it's a hell

[22:43] realm, it's a bardo.

[22:47] What is it that triggers that that the

[22:49] feelings of being an impostor?

[22:54] It has a lot to do with our

[22:55] conditioning.

[22:57] The beliefs that we we just absorb.

[23:00] I've often asked this question.

[23:04] Just complete the following phrase.

[23:06] One thing my parents always said about

[23:08] money was

[23:13] What did your parents always say about

[23:15] money?

[23:20] And how much

[23:23] does what they said about money

[23:26] affect your relationship to money?

[23:32] How many beliefs have you taken on for

[23:34] reality?

[23:37] How many beliefs are this lens that

[23:40] you're you're actually looking through?

[23:45] And

[23:47] it opens up this question.

[23:51] With all of the conditioning that forms

[23:54] your point of view,

[23:58] who are you in the absence of that

[24:00] conditioning?

[24:06] So part of

[24:09] waking up inside the sense of

[24:12] being an impostor and plagued with doubt

[24:16] is to explore how to reframe it.

[24:19] How to kind of change the frame.

[24:23] It's helpful to kind of challenge the

[24:25] negative self-talk and really look at it

[24:27] closely.

[24:30] And it's helpful to focus on your

[24:31] strengths,

[24:33] the value you bring,

[24:35] and remember that making mistakes is

[24:37] part of growing.

[24:40] And as I was

[24:43] trying to justify my life as a

[24:46] 22-year-old professor of phonetics,

[24:52] I would have to remind myself

[24:54] that I can do this.

[24:56] One day at a time.

[24:58] I can do this.

[25:01] I also remembered that how much I loved

[25:04] learning.

[25:05] How much I loved mastering new things

[25:07] and

[25:08] and actually embracing how what a fast

[25:11] track of learning this was.

[25:14] Yes, I was scrambling and lost my first

[25:17] year, but I

[25:19] learned a lot.

[25:22] I also

[25:24] realized how much I loved to learn.

[25:26] At that time when I was living in Niger,

[25:28] I was I was learning French.

[25:30] I was learning how to

[25:32] to take this information about phonetics

[25:35] and and really explore how I could

[25:38] communicate the really important stuff.

[25:41] The person before me, I had about 3 days

[25:44] with her before I took over

[25:47] was way academic.

[25:49] She was really focused on kind of the

[25:51] abstract qualities of

[25:53] phonetics and linguistics and as I tuned

[25:56] into what the teachers really needed

[26:00] what they really needed was to really

[26:02] learn correct pronunciation.

[26:04] Learn how to master the phonetic

[26:06] alphabet so that they could help their

[26:08] students in teaching them English.

[26:13] I also drew on my desire for

[26:17] making the class alive and fun.

[26:21] So, making it pragmatic

[26:23] also

[26:24] making it as much fun as possible. I was

[26:26] I would often talk about some of the

[26:28] different accents.

[26:30] Cuz there's received pronunciation, you

[26:32] know, from from Great Britain and

[26:34] Standard American, but then all the

[26:35] other accents and kind of the classic

[26:38] one is the phrase, "I was walking down

[26:40] 33rd and 3rd

[26:42] I saw a dirty bird."

[26:44] So, with phonetic with phonetic

[26:47] transcription

[26:48] with received pronunciation, "I was

[26:50] walking down 33rd and 3rd and I saw a

[26:53] dirty bird.

[26:55] Standard American, I was walking down

[26:57] 33rd and 3rd, and I saw a dirty bird.

[27:00] Ghanaian,

[27:01] as I was walking down 33rd and 3rd, and

[27:04] I saw a dirty bird.

[27:07] And then of course I had to throw in the

[27:08] Bronx, Brooklyn.

[27:11] I was walking down 20 20 and 20, and I

[27:13] saw a dirty bird.

[27:15] I remember when I shared that with them,

[27:16] just the the groans and the

[27:19] the the laughter and the sense of utter

[27:21] utter

[27:22] utter overwhelm.

[27:26] So, by focusing on what I could do,

[27:30] focusing on my love of learning,

[27:33] my my focus on making it relevant and

[27:35] being of service, it helped me move

[27:37] through my own doubt.

[27:41] And it really brings to mind the kind of

[27:43] the classic Buddhist psychology approach

[27:47] to

[27:48] to the antidote to doubt.

[27:52] When you are in doubt,

[27:54] you question everything.

[27:57] The antidote to doubt

[28:00] is faith.

[28:03] Now, when I hear the word faith, I kind

[28:05] of recoil because I think of faith as

[28:10] just believing something's true. And and

[28:12] there is a spectrum of faith.

[28:15] One element of faith is

[28:18] kind of the innocent faith, the the

[28:21] magical thinking faith.

[28:23] If I think happy thoughts, everything

[28:25] will be fine.

[28:28] That may be helpful for some people.

[28:31] Just kind of blind faith.

[28:34] But the kind of faith that we're looking

[28:35] at here is what we could call mature

[28:37] faith.

[28:39] Or also known as verified faith.

[28:44] So, what this includes is looking

[28:46] closely at reality, investigation

[28:50] into the nature of reality itself.

[28:54] So, part of it is around really looking

[28:56] closely, what actually is true?

[28:59] What do I know to be true?

[29:01] Sometimes this can reveal

[29:04] beliefs that are simply false.

[29:08] The belief that I I can't do this. That

[29:11] I'm not enough.

[29:13] I'm not lovable. I'm not good enough.

[29:16] Take a good hard look at those beliefs.

[29:19] Something may be on the other side that

[29:21] opens up all kinds of new possibilities.

[29:26] Faith has to do with kind of faith in

[29:28] the path.

[29:30] Whatever your path may be.

[29:32] And if your path is about becoming more

[29:34] awake,

[29:36] cultivating more compassion, being of

[29:38] service,

[29:40] it helps to reframe that sense of who

[29:43] you are as a growing being.

[29:47] And faith is also an exploration of

[29:49] faith in your intent.

[29:51] The desire to learn, the desire to grow,

[29:54] the desire to be of service.

[29:58] This re-framing

[30:01] is so powerful.

[30:05] And what I find

[30:09] All right.

[30:11] These questions.

[30:14] Now, when I'm stuck or when I'm caught,

[30:17] the first question,

[30:20] how can this serve awakening?

[30:26] What am I learning?

[30:29] What is the opportunity here?

[30:36] What are the advantages of having a

[30:38] reality-based practice?

[30:41] Is it really opens us opens us up to

[30:43] being truthful.

[30:46] Mark Twain said that one great thing

[30:48] about telling the truth is you never

[30:50] have to remember what you said.

[30:53] I love that.

[30:56] Usually when we are uncomfortable, we

[30:58] just bear the discomfort.

[31:02] And

[31:03] unless we turn toward it and really look

[31:06] closely,

[31:09] it just gets more and more chronic.

[31:13] I had an experience many, many years

[31:15] ago.

[31:16] I've shared this before.

[31:19] Where I was in a lot of group meetings.

[31:20] I was like the junior, junior person in

[31:22] the meetings, and I was sitting on my

[31:24] hands a lot. And not sharing, feeling

[31:27] agitation, feeling frustration, feeling

[31:29] like I had something to say, but

[31:31] but being conscious of my age and kind

[31:33] of holding back.

[31:36] Finally,

[31:39] I would say it became unbearable.

[31:44] And as I was meditating on that feeling

[31:47] of of discomfort,

[31:50] I could really look closely at kind of

[31:52] what you'd call the karma or the outcome

[31:54] of it. If I do nothing, what's this

[31:56] going to be like?

[31:57] And

[31:59] extremely unpleasant.

[32:02] And then a thought popped into my head.

[32:07] And the thought was,

[32:09] "I'm just going to be me until I'm

[32:11] fired."

[32:13] Something kind of shifted for me, and I

[32:15] started speaking up. And rather than

[32:18] being fired,

[32:20] there was kind of a a welcome, a welcome

[32:22] back.

[32:25] But it's only that only came when I

[32:27] really focused on

[32:31] on the the intense discomfort.

[32:37] So, recognizing the state,

[32:41] recognizing what's between you and

[32:43] feeling free, is so integral. The

[32:45] courage to turn toward

[32:49] that paralyzing feeling inside

[32:52] can open up new possibilities.

[32:58] But, it's important to remember that

[33:01] imposter syndrome, it has been said by

[33:03] some, is not really a syndrome.

[33:06] It's actually just being human.

[33:09] There's no one that doesn't experience

[33:12] that sense of

[33:14] of the false, presenting a false

[33:16] persona.

[33:19] I'm not sure that's totally true.

[33:22] Now that I think of that,

[33:24] um there is a guy on um

[33:26] the board of directors, um

[33:29] when I was uh

[33:30] head of an organization, and uh I said

[33:33] to the the chair of the board, I said,

[33:34] "Wow, that that guy is so confident."

[33:39] And my friend, uh who'd been on a lot of

[33:41] boards, said, "Have you noticed how

[33:43] confident he is when he's right?"

[33:46] I said, "Absolutely."

[33:48] He said, "And have you noticed how he's

[33:49] equally confident when he's wrong?"

[33:53] I said, "Yeah, you know, that's true."

[33:55] So, maybe not everyone feels it, but I

[33:57] think most people feel that

[34:01] that insecurity.

[34:03] And the stagnation that comes through

[34:05] the paralysis that comes.

[34:09] Quite a few years ago, I was invited to

[34:11] do an audio program, a 6-hour audio

[34:13] program for Sounds True,

[34:15] on embodied centered inquiry.

[34:18] An incredible opportunity, and I

[34:19] immediately said, "Yes, I'd love to do

[34:21] it." And I

[34:22] found myself paralyzed.

[34:26] I found myself just stagnant. I I

[34:29] couldn't

[34:30] I couldn't get over some creative block.

[34:34] Finally, after a fair bit of discomfort

[34:38] and feeling the the time pressure began

[34:40] to build, I finally took a closer look

[34:43] at it.

[34:44] And I realized

[34:46] I had this fear.

[34:49] I was going to be presenting something

[34:51] to the world and all these great content

[34:53] experts,

[34:55] people with more initials after their

[34:57] name than me,

[34:58] were going to see everything and I would

[35:00] be exposed.

[35:03] And they could tear it down.

[35:05] And they could expose me for the

[35:07] superficial fraud that I really am.

[35:10] >> [snorts]

[35:12] >> Recognizing that fear

[35:16] was so helpful.

[35:19] Cuz as I just sat with it,

[35:22] this thought just sort of popped in that

[35:25] changed everything.

[35:27] And this is the thought.

[35:30] If this program helps one person,

[35:34] it's absolutely worth it.

[35:39] That tapped me into my sincere desire to

[35:44] offer something that would

[35:46] be of help.

[35:47] And I began to write the program for

[35:50] that one person for whom it would

[35:52] absolutely be worth it.

[35:56] So helpful.

[35:57] So helpful.

[36:01] When we can begin to recognize

[36:04] that we are not alone,

[36:08] particularly not alone with our our

[36:10] self-doubt,

[36:12] not alone in that sense of being caught

[36:15] in a persona and trying to live up to

[36:17] the mask,

[36:20] it begins to shift things.

[36:23] And if you think about it, if you just

[36:24] think of someone now who

[36:26] who has a lot of power,

[36:29] a lot of prestige.

[36:33] What if if not now, sometime in the in

[36:36] the past, they were overwhelmed with

[36:39] imposter syndrome?

[36:42] And it's true.

[36:44] When you look really closely at people

[36:46] who've got a lot of charisma, a lot of

[36:48] coalesced power, authority, and

[36:50] influence,

[36:53] many times

[36:55] they too worked with this sense of

[36:57] feeling an impostor,

[36:59] feeling like they were going to be

[37:00] exposed for the fraud that they really

[37:02] are.

[37:05] So, one of the greatest

[37:08] antidotes

[37:11] has to do with connecting with others.

[37:15] When you realize that you're not alone

[37:17] and you can begin to

[37:18] talk about it with trusted friends or

[37:20] with mentors or colleagues about it.

[37:25] You know, what you can't communicate

[37:26] controls you.

[37:28] And you may find as you talk with others

[37:31] about their perspective, get their

[37:33] reassurance, listen to the struggles

[37:36] that they're going through, it will make

[37:37] a big, big difference.

[37:43] One thing I really enjoy for for those

[37:46] who teach, kind of like I do, is to

[37:49] to kind of name [clears throat] the

[37:50] inflation-deflation

[37:52] process. It's one thing Tara and I talk

[37:54] about is we get some positive feedback

[37:56] and the

[37:58] the inflation is so wonderful, and then

[38:00] the doubts come in and absolute

[38:02] deflation.

[38:06] For me,

[38:07] and I think for many of us,

[38:09] one way to kind of move beyond

[38:12] the doubt

[38:15] is to think about the people you can

[38:16] help.

[38:20] That

[38:21] wh- however you are, whatever mask that

[38:24] you are

[38:27] behind, however you're serving,

[38:30] when you reflect on the contribution you

[38:33] might make,

[38:36] that can help you to contact the

[38:38] sincerity.

[38:40] And for me, it's the it's the why. Why

[38:43] are you doing what you're doing?

[38:46] A very, very helpful inquiry.

[38:51] The other thing to help you move beyond

[38:52] is to recognize that the the higher the

[38:55] risk, the higher the potential reward.

[38:59] And it's the willingness to take risks

[39:02] that opens up our our growth. It makes

[39:06] us feel more alive.

[39:10] So, one can say

[39:13] that we are in a constant process

[39:16] of moving into a greater sense of

[39:19] self-awareness and a

[39:20] a greater sense of authenticity.

[39:26] As someone said, "No one got enlightened

[39:28] by adding anything."

[39:31] It's only in the removal of our

[39:33] conditioning that we begin to see into

[39:35] our true nature.

[39:38] And I'm always reminded

[39:41] of

[39:42] the number one regret of the dying.

[39:46] This is observed by someone who sat with

[39:48] thousands of people at the end of their

[39:50] life. The number one regret of the

[39:51] dying, "I was not true to myself."

[39:57] And when we begin to

[40:00] address what it means to be true to

[40:03] ourselves,

[40:06] it opens up a deeper sense of

[40:08] authenticity.

[40:10] And it may mean that the

[40:13] the mask

[40:15] that you are behind, the role that

[40:16] you're playing, the the the uh

[40:20] the act that you have, it may be that no

[40:21] longer resonates for you, or it may be

[40:25] that you can inhabit it

[40:27] from a place of deep presence and a deep

[40:30] deep authenticity.

[40:35] One of my heroes is the author Malcolm

[40:37] Gladwell.

[40:38] He's written so many books that I've

[40:41] and and short pieces that have been so

[40:43] helpful, such an amazing writer and

[40:46] he talked about his about his father.

[40:51] And he said one of the things I

[40:52] frustrated about him thought his father

[40:54] was

[40:55] his father would always ask questions.

[40:58] And his father would often ask what he

[41:00] thought were really stupid questions.

[41:03] And later he began to

[41:05] deeply admire that trait in his father.

[41:07] His father was never afraid to say, "I

[41:10] don't understand. Could you explain that

[41:12] to me?"

[41:14] He was utterly guileless

[41:16] around owning up to what he didn't

[41:19] understand, to owning up what he didn't

[41:21] know.

[41:24] And I think this is really key

[41:28] to living a more authentic life.

[41:32] My teacher, back in my ashram days, was

[41:35] a incredibly charismatic guy.

[41:38] Said this.

[41:40] This I've always remembered this. He

[41:42] said, "People are attracted to me not

[41:44] for what I know,

[41:46] but for how comfortable I am with what I

[41:48] don't know."

[41:53] When I heard that, I thought,

[41:55] "Man,

[41:57] I want to embrace that.

[42:00] I want to be really comfortable with

[42:02] what I don't know."

[42:05] And this speaks to what's often referred

[42:08] to as beginner's mind,

[42:10] which was really articulated beautifully

[42:11] by by uh

[42:13] um

[42:14] Suzuki.

[42:16] The teacher Shunryu Suzuki. He said that

[42:18] in the expert's mind, there are very few

[42:20] possibilities.

[42:22] In the beginner's mind,

[42:24] there are infinite possibilities.

[42:28] So, this becomes a very refreshing way

[42:31] to practice, and we'll we'll close our

[42:34] this talk with a little meditation on

[42:36] beginner's mind.

[42:38] Could you imagine

[42:41] coming back again and again to this

[42:43] sense of

[42:45] beginner's mind?

[42:47] Not having to be an expert.

[42:50] To get comfortable with what you don't

[42:52] know.

[42:55] In my training as a Dharma teacher and

[42:58] helping to train other people as Dharma

[43:00] teachers,

[43:02] someone once asked this question to one

[43:04] of the senior senior

[43:06] Vipassanā teachers. They said, you know,

[43:07] people come to us with lots of really

[43:10] deep, complex questions and issues. And

[43:14] what do I do when I get a question that

[43:17] completely befuddles me?

[43:22] And the teacher's response was this.

[43:25] He said, you simply say this.

[43:29] I don't know the answer to that.

[43:32] But I can try to find out and we can

[43:34] talk more.

[43:37] I don't know the answer to that.

[43:40] What a relief.

[43:43] What a relief.

[43:47] So, if we think of living an authentic

[43:50] life

[43:54] as the antidote

[43:56] to imposter syndrome, it it it has a

[43:59] couple characteristics. One of them is

[44:01] to embrace continuous learning. To be a

[44:04] learning a learner, still learning

[44:06] life's lessons.

[44:09] To remember that expertise is developed

[44:11] over time.

[44:14] And that

[44:15] a growth mindset

[44:18] one that's focused on on the passion of

[44:20] learning

[44:24] is very very helpful tool.

[44:28] And to seek feedback.

[44:30] To continue continue to explore how

[44:33] how you can learn.

[44:35] How you can continue to grow.

[44:40] Here's a little statement

[44:42] about what it means to be a learner.

[44:47] This is from David Cooper.

[44:51] Most people think enlightenment as a

[44:53] kind of magical attainment. A state of

[44:56] being close to perfection.

[44:59] At this level one can perform amazing

[45:01] feats, see past and future lives, and

[45:04] tune into the inner workings of the

[45:06] universe.

[45:08] This may be possible for a number of

[45:09] special beings, but for most of us

[45:12] enlightenment is much more in line with

[45:13] what Suzuki describes.

[45:16] It means having a quality of

[45:17] beginningness.

[45:19] A fresh, simple, unsophisticated view of

[45:22] things.

[45:23] To have beginner's mind in how we

[45:25] approach things is a major teaching.

[45:28] In many ways the process of

[45:30] enlightenment is clearing away the

[45:32] thoughts, beliefs, and ideas that cloud

[45:34] our ability to see things as they really

[45:37] are in their pristine form.

[45:44] So imposter syndrome is real.

[45:48] Except for a couple sociopaths

[45:51] everyone

[45:53] feels like a fraud at times.

[45:57] When you recognize

[45:59] the possibility that you can

[46:02] just simply name it and investigate it

[46:04] that you're not alone.

[46:06] You can take refuge with others.

[46:10] You can begin to explore what's

[46:11] underneath it.

[46:14] You begin to recognize the fundamental

[46:16] seed of doubt.

[46:18] And to look really closely.

[46:21] What does it mean to have faith in your

[46:23] path? To have faith in yourself.

[46:27] To remember

[46:29] the why you're doing what you're doing.

[46:32] To think of the those that you can

[46:34] support, those that you can be of

[46:35] service to.

[46:38] To call on compassion.

[46:40] To remember why you're here.

[46:43] Why why this is

[46:46] enlivening for you.

[46:51] To remember

[46:52] how to be comfortable with what you

[46:54] don't know.

[46:58] Let's close our eyes. We'll take just a

[47:00] few a few minutes.

[47:04] You might just feel the breath right

[47:06] now. Just notice where you feel the

[47:07] breath.

[47:12] And for the next few rounds of breath,

[47:17] you might imagine

[47:20] that you're experiencing the breath for

[47:22] the first time.

[47:31] Can you sense the the innocence of

[47:34] discovery of what breath feels like?

[47:50] And can you sense

[47:54] what it might be like

[47:57] to be more comfortable what you don't

[48:00] know.

[48:04] To flame the coals of your passion for

[48:08] learning.

[48:09] For being awake.

[48:12] For being a contribution to others.

[48:30] And you might explore

[48:33] either if there is a time now

[48:36] when you feel that sense of being an

[48:38] impostor.

[48:40] Being exposed for for what you don't

[48:42] know.

[48:44] Or another time in the past.

[48:47] You might take a moment just to look

[48:48] through the lens

[48:50] of seeing it clearly.

[48:55] What it feels like inside when you are

[48:58] trapped and caught in doubt.

[49:03] The thoughts and beliefs that are

[49:05] generated from that state of being

[49:07] small.

[49:14] And you might just sense through the

[49:16] lens of compassion,

[49:19] kindness, and empathy.

[49:22] If you were to hold this in some kind of

[49:24] loving presence.

[49:26] How does it move? How does it shift? How

[49:28] does it change?

[49:31] What you feel others feel.

[49:41] And you can Can you sense behind all of

[49:44] this?

[49:46] This yearning to be awake.

[49:54] This desire

[49:57] to be a wholesome contributor.

[50:04] To live your life from a place of

[50:06] overflow.

[50:12] And can you sense

[50:14] as you embrace a sense of beginner's

[50:16] mind

[50:18] this field of infinite possibility.

[50:33] As you're ready, you can deepen your

[50:35] breath.

[50:37] If you like, you can open your eyes.

[50:42] I hope you found this helpful.

[50:47] Recognizing the patterns of this small

[50:50] self that keeps us trapped

[50:53] is so key.

[50:55] And the power of investigation to look

[50:57] really closely at the underpinnings, to

[51:00] look at what's true

[51:03] can allow you

[51:06] no matter where you are to feel more

[51:08] alive, more awake

[51:10] and more vibrant.

[51:13] Whatever masks you're wearing, I hope

[51:15] you enjoy them

[51:17] to the fullest. Thank you so much for

[51:19] your time and attention.

[51:52] >> Mhm.

Jonathan Foust
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In this talk, Foust describes the antidote as a sequence of four movements: the power of being onto yourself (self-awareness), thinking outside the box of fear and doubt, shifting from a personal hallucination to getting on board with reality, and living from authenticity. He suggests that once you become aware of the pattern, things begin to shift.
Foust uses the phrase to describe the private version of events that imposter feelings create, which feels convincing from the inside but is not checked against what is actually happening. The remedy he points to is getting on board with reality, meaning testing the story against the actual situation, the students, and the work underway.
Not in Foust's framing. He describes a balance between reaching and challenging ourselves, which is how capacity grows, and overreaching, which brings insecurity. The discomfort marks the edge of what you can yet hold, and the work is to notice it without collapsing.
Ancient Greek actors wore masks that let them play multiple characters, and Foust compares this to the many roles people take on, such as parent, sibling, provider, or spiritual warrior. The problem arises when we become attached to a mask and forget the person behind it, which is where imposter feelings often take hold.
Foust's own starting point is to notice the feeling as it arises and to recognize it as a set of thoughts rather than a final verdict. From there, check whether the doubting mind is catastrophizing, compare the story against what is actually happening, and ask which mask you are wearing. He also invites listeners to recall a time they extended further than was comfortable.
The talk uses Foust's own experience of being hired to teach graduate phonetics in Niamey, Niger, despite having little training in the subject, as a way to explore imposter syndrome. It moves from that story into a four-part framework that addresses self-awareness, the doubting mind, reality, and authenticity.

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