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[0:01] I am so excited to present to you this
[0:04] very special interview on how to love
[0:06] your body with New York Times
[0:08] best-selling author Sonya Renee Taylor
[0:11] this interview will blow your mind we've
[0:15] all heard so much about loving our body
[0:18] but Sonya breaks through every myth that
[0:21] there is including how to break through
[0:23] shame how to make sure that you're not
[0:25] having to buy more products and do more
[0:27] things to work your way to loving your
[0:29] body and how to actually break through
[0:32] the noise and the limiting beliefs that
[0:34] we have in our head so we can finally
[0:36] feel this inherent sense of what Sonia
[0:39] calls radical self-love enjoy this
[0:42] interview from the kingdom love you
[0:46] okay everybody
[0:48] I am here with Sonia Renee Taylor this
[0:52] is a very exciting moment for me because
[0:54] I have been taking in her work for
[1:00] I mean in such a deep and meaningful way
[1:03] that is profoundly transformed my life
[1:05] and I reached out to Sonya it was one of
[1:07] those people that I was like I don't
[1:08] know that I'm gonna be able to talk to
[1:10] them you know and and Sonia replied so
[1:13] quickly with just yes when and where
[1:16] here's my availability and so it's such
[1:18] a gift to have you here today Sonya
[1:19] thank you so so much for being here with
[1:22] us at the Kingdom
[1:23] it's a delight to be here thanks for the
[1:25] invitation
[1:26] so you know a couple of things that I
[1:29] feel really excited to talk to you about
[1:31] as it relates to this concept of how to
[1:34] love your body I wanted to have you here
[1:37] because one of my like biggest uh pieces
[1:42] of ethos that I like work on in the
[1:43] world is
[1:45] don't teach only share what you know
[1:48] [Music]
[1:49] and I've we're doing this topic on love
[1:53] this this season on love and I really
[1:55] wanted to do something on how to love
[1:57] your body but I've only come like a
[2:02] certain distance in this loving your
[2:03] body conversation and I felt like I need
[2:07] somebody else to come in here
[2:09] to really help us see what it means to
[2:14] love your body
[2:16] um
[2:17] and you have this story metaphor that
[2:21] you use that I find so powerful about
[2:23] the acorn it really impacted me
[2:27] um when I heard you talk about it and
[2:28] read it so I'd be curious if you'd be
[2:29] okay with starting with that and showing
[2:31] us how that frames in with a new idea of
[2:34] loving your body
[2:36] wow sure I like to always just be like
[2:38] it's not my metaphor y'all I didn't make
[2:40] it up it's Marion Williams yeah we love
[2:43] Marianne's been here with us too so we
[2:45] love her here yeah so yeah I never wanna
[2:47] I never want to pretend like it was mine
[2:49] but I thought did it when I heard her
[2:51] say it and she wasn't talking about the
[2:52] body but when she said it for me it
[2:54] encapsulated what it is that I believe
[2:57] when I'm talking about this idea of
[2:59] radical self-love is you know she
[3:01] describes it and she says that you know
[3:03] an acorn doesn't have to try to become
[3:06] an oak tree it doesn't have effort
[3:08] towards becoming an oak tree everything
[3:10] that it needs in order to grow into the
[3:13] highest expression of itself is already
[3:16] encoded inside of it and so
[3:19] the question then becomes well is the
[3:22] acorn in the right conditions such that
[3:25] that which is inside of it can be
[3:26] activated such that it can be its
[3:27] highest expression of itself and for me
[3:31] that is what radical self-love is which
[3:33] is that we are imbued with everything
[3:36] that it is we need to manifest the
[3:39] highest expressions of ourselves that we
[3:41] arrived here as fully
[3:46] um fully embodied vessels of Love Like
[3:49] that's how we showed up to the planet
[3:51] and
[3:54] the only way in which we could be
[3:56] disconnected from that is such that
[3:58] something about the conditions has made
[4:01] it such that that holistic person of
[4:03] ourselves we don't feel we don't feel it
[4:05] we can't tap into it right and so that
[4:09] made me say well then it must not be us
[4:11] it must not be the vessel that's the
[4:13] problem it must be the conditions that's
[4:14] the problem and if it's the conductance
[4:17] that's the problem then we start talking
[4:18] about what the conditions are so that we
[4:21] can
[4:22] um so that we can separate the idea that
[4:24] there's something wrong with us and put
[4:26] the onus on the things that need to be
[4:28] changed back to where they belong which
[4:30] are the conditions that are hampering
[4:32] our ability to become the fullest
[4:34] expressions of ourselves
[4:36] see this is so this I have little
[4:39] goosebumps you probably can't see them
[4:40] because I got the little skin smoother
[4:41] on but the good got little Goosebumps
[4:44] because this is so big because we hear
[4:47] about this concept of loving your body
[4:50] of like this thing that we have to try
[4:53] to do this thing that we have to try to
[4:56] build or become and you're saying that's
[4:58] not the case so can you just give me a
[5:00] distinction we're going to get into
[5:01] these conditions a distinction between
[5:03] like this kind of self-love so love your
[5:06] body movement and what you're calling
[5:07] radical self-love yeah so I think you
[5:10] know like people
[5:12] when I started doing this work 13 years
[5:14] ago it was me and like one other hit on
[5:17] the Instagram on the internet about
[5:19] radicals and so I was always clear what
[5:22] I was talking about I was talking about
[5:25] how is it that we become aware of and
[5:29] connect to
[5:30] a way of being in ourselves that one I
[5:35] literally use the definitions of the
[5:36] word radical that is the origin of a
[5:40] thing right so I'm proposing that this
[5:42] sense of love that I'm talking about is
[5:44] the origin of us it's how we started
[5:46] that it's inherent
[5:48] um again we don't have to figure out how
[5:50] to get it it's already there
[5:53] um radical as in
[5:56] um thorough going or extreme I'm talking
[5:58] about a big wild unruly undisciplined
[6:03] undefiant love and Unapologetic love
[6:06] right
[6:07] um the kind of love that needs to be
[6:10] thorough going in extreme because we
[6:11] live in thorough going and extreme
[6:13] circumstances that tell us we should not
[6:15] love ourselves we live in thorough
[6:17] growing and extreme circumstances that
[6:19] Target our bodies as deficient as
[6:22] dangerous as
[6:24] um as as something aberrant right and so
[6:27] we need something that counts as that
[6:29] I'm talking radical as in
[6:33] um proposing drastic political economic
[6:35] and social transformation that's the
[6:37] other definition of radical that and to
[6:39] me is one of the most important ones
[6:41] because it gets to oh there are
[6:43] conditions that are hampering that Acorn
[6:45] and those conditions need to be changed
[6:47] and so when I hear other people talking
[6:51] about self-love or talking about body
[6:54] positivity in these sort of other words
[6:56] that folks use
[6:58] first and foremost I think the most
[7:00] significant difference to me is that
[7:02] they're talking about a thing that is
[7:04] highly individualistic and highly
[7:07] apolitical
[7:08] right it's like it's how I feel about
[7:10] myself right and I'm like how you feel
[7:13] about yourself it doesn't exist in a
[7:15] vacuum it is not some solitary
[7:17] experience that you're just having that
[7:20] how you feel about yourself escaped by a
[7:22] social world and shaped by a cultural
[7:25] World in a familial World in a political
[7:27] world in an economic world and
[7:30] how you feel about yourself is also
[7:33] shaped and informed about how you feel
[7:35] about other people's bodies
[7:37] and I'm interested in a conversation
[7:40] that holds all those pieces
[7:43] such that we might get to the truth of
[7:46] our actual relationship which again I
[7:48] believe is love but we can't get there
[7:50] if we're going to sit it on top of
[7:52] foundation of the same illusions that
[7:55] built the world that we need to
[7:57] dismantle anyway and so I'm talking
[8:00] about something that is transformative
[8:03] and I'm talking about something that
[8:04] isn't just about the body the body is a
[8:07] manifestation of something far deeper
[8:10] far more profound something far more
[8:13] intangible than these you know my ex
[8:16] used to call them unless she thought
[8:18] tubes
[8:24] found in these these thought tubes could
[8:27] actually
[8:28] encapsulate right in its fullness and so
[8:31] the body is
[8:33] part of an entire
[8:35] system
[8:37] um that I believe is simply trying to
[8:40] reconcile us to love right yeah and and
[8:43] the body is the The Vessel by which we
[8:47] get to take the journey to reconciling
[8:49] to us see so this is this is what this
[8:52] was like the main thing that really
[8:55] shifted things for me in reading your
[8:58] work is understanding so I'm just
[9:00] guiding people through this again like
[9:01] in the way that I got this in my body
[9:03] was I am the acorn
[9:06] and I don't need any instruction to
[9:10] become the oak tree I don't need to add
[9:12] anything I don't need to learn anything
[9:14] this is inherent in me and so radical
[9:17] self-love for me for my body to for me
[9:20] to become the highest expression of
[9:21] myself is natural what is not natural is
[9:25] all the is all the conditions is
[9:29] all the things from society from our
[9:31] Trauma from our programming from
[9:32] politics from everything that we then
[9:35] put those glasses on
[9:37] and start seeing the world through those
[9:40] glasses not nice glasses like you've got
[9:42] all right now some other kind of glasses
[9:45] so so this is the piece when we talk
[9:48] about those conditions I in a lot of
[9:51] your work I hear you talking about
[9:53] this imagination
[9:56] that we are
[9:59] imagining through that's not really our
[10:02] own imagination or these thoughts that
[10:05] we're having that we think are our
[10:07] thoughts but they're not actually our
[10:09] thoughts and so can you help me
[10:12] understand that because once I got that
[10:14] I was like oh my gosh all these thoughts
[10:16] that I'm and I I teach meditation I know
[10:19] I'm not my thoughts but somehow I
[10:21] thought those thoughts were my thoughts
[10:24] right you're like I'm not my thoughts
[10:26] but those thoughts are mine right right
[10:29] right right right right right and it's
[10:31] actually not only are you not your
[10:32] thoughts but those thoughts aren't yours
[10:34] right that we're we are yeah and I think
[10:38] this is the thing that's really
[10:38] difficult for people because it you know
[10:41] so much of our striving so much of our
[10:43] struggling is about having a sense of
[10:45] control and so the idea that like our
[10:49] thoughts on our own is like a level of
[10:52] we're not in control that I think is
[10:54] really unnerving for folks
[10:56] um but I also think is profoundly
[10:58] liberatory once we actually let it
[11:00] settle enough people who are hearing
[11:02] this for the first time those your
[11:04] thoughts are not your own I think people
[11:06] hear you are not your thoughts in a
[11:07] meditative context like you're also not
[11:10] your own whose are they where are they
[11:11] coming from Sonia
[11:13] we're we're
[11:14] creepers we're on a Swiffer Sweeper
[11:17] across the floor just gonna pick up
[11:18] what's on the floor
[11:21] you know like we are
[11:24] you know if we want to be in a sort of
[11:26] more metaphysical conversation about it
[11:28] all of us are simply
[11:31] um
[11:32] inside of
[11:34] you know what we call the collective
[11:36] unconscious right it's or the collective
[11:38] Consciousness that we
[11:40] move through unconsciously right we're
[11:43] we are all inside of these ideas and
[11:48] these
[11:50] um beliefs and these narratives and we
[11:52] didn't create them no one ever woke up
[11:55] one day and was like
[11:56] thinness is the best I simply I created
[12:00] that thought right like I created that
[12:02] thought and that's why I moved that way
[12:04] that's not how that thought came into
[12:06] being we know that's not how that
[12:07] thought came into being because you got
[12:09] it from some place and part of the
[12:11] problem is if we don't interrogate where
[12:13] the message came from we think the
[12:15] thought and we just stop there right and
[12:18] part of the invitation I think of the
[12:20] work around radical self-love is can I
[12:23] get curious about where the thought came
[12:25] from because when we followed the thread
[12:27] back we realized that that thought is
[12:30] tied into systems most often systems
[12:34] related to power and money yes systems
[12:38] related to capitalism systems related to
[12:41] patriarchy systems related to how
[12:43] domination moves in our societies that's
[12:47] generally where these thoughts that put
[12:48] us in and uh adversarial relationship
[12:52] with our bodies they start there and so
[12:55] if you can if you can get like to the
[12:58] point and what I this is the distinction
[13:00] that I think helps people sometimes is
[13:03] from a radical self-love standpoint
[13:06] any thought that tells me that I am
[13:09] somehow unworthy unlovable not enough
[13:13] can't be my original thought because
[13:15] it's the antithesis it would be like an
[13:18] acorn being like nope I'm supposed to be
[13:20] a dogwood tree
[13:23] can't be original because everything
[13:25] that's encoded inside of an acorn is to
[13:28] become an oak tree right so if
[13:30] everything in me is encoded to be a
[13:32] manifestation of love then all thoughts
[13:35] that are the contrary of that can't be
[13:37] from me right and and like the reason
[13:40] that is has to be true is because the
[13:43] same intelligence God being Universe
[13:45] spirit that may be acorn
[13:47] made you
[13:48] yes
[13:50] with everything
[13:53] yeah yeah exactly so let me let me let
[13:56] me try some things on it let me Trace
[13:58] one thing to make this so clear for
[14:00] people so
[14:01] if I wake up but I have the thought or
[14:03] if I'm having a thought in my life I
[14:05] need to be skinnier I need to lose
[14:08] weight
[14:09] what we're going to right there's one
[14:12] aspect that if it's something that's
[14:13] actually having to do with your health
[14:15] right that's one whole element but if
[14:19] we're really going to it and most people
[14:21] like I just need to be skinnier it's
[14:22] summer and I need to be skinnier we
[14:24] trace this back and we look at what
[14:27] Collective unconscious has sold us this
[14:30] lie that says that you're skinnier
[14:32] you're more beautiful you're skinnier
[14:34] you're more attractive you're skinnier
[14:36] you're more desirable more people will
[14:37] want you like that is none of that
[14:39] actually comes from you that comes from
[14:43] exactly media from politics from
[14:45] companies trying to make money on you
[14:47] losing weight and buying their stuff so
[14:49] that's what you're saying it's their
[14:50] thoughts that we're thinking in our
[14:51] heads and thinking right exactly and
[14:55] that those things that they've attached
[14:57] it to desirable more beautiful people
[15:01] will want me does that all mean at the
[15:03] end like when you when you distill that
[15:06] down to its simplest form it means oh
[15:08] I'm lovable
[15:10] all of that is trying to get you to
[15:13] figure out how to externalize a thing
[15:15] that is internal
[15:17] right oh that will make me lovable
[15:20] except what I'm proposing to you is that
[15:22] you are inherently lovable that love is
[15:25] the condition of your entire nature
[15:27] which means you can't be separated from
[15:29] it so as soon as someone's trying to
[15:30] sell you a way to get it you know they
[15:33] lying
[15:35] as soon as someone is trying to sell you
[15:38] a way to get it you know they're lying
[15:39] because the love
[15:41] was already done it it's already there
[15:44] yeah okay tell me something I already
[15:46] have why would I need it right right and
[15:49] you actually of all the things in the
[15:51] world to try to buy that's the one we
[15:53] know you can't buy how many things have
[15:55] we bought that thought it was going to
[15:56] give us something internal make us love
[15:58] something and it doesn't work right and
[16:00] still and still buying more things still
[16:02] trying to figure it out through that
[16:04] method which is why I say there's an
[16:07] actually there's something wrong with
[16:08] that method and what does it look like
[16:11] if we interrupt that story that the
[16:14] thing we're searching for can be found
[16:16] outside of us and actually return to
[16:19] what is the truth in me that I'm just
[16:21] looking to excavate and what are the
[16:23] things that have built up around it that
[16:25] make it difficult to get to yes yes okay
[16:28] so
[16:29] so Sonia there is this this element has
[16:32] been really challenging for me and what
[16:34] this part that I'm going to share with
[16:35] you and I think people will really
[16:36] resonate with this so I read your book I
[16:40] do the practices I'm in my work I
[16:43] understand that I am the acorn right
[16:46] okay then I step into the world
[16:50] right then I go to this recently just
[16:52] came up for me I get invited to my first
[16:56] party at the beach
[16:58] with a whole bunch of gay guys in Los
[17:01] Angeles right
[17:06] and the Mirage
[17:08] comes back
[17:10] to anybody they have to go to a reunion
[17:13] they have to go to a wedding they go to
[17:16] see they're going to see people in their
[17:18] family or whatever and and you've done
[17:20] these practices and then how do we
[17:23] stay with it when you step back into a
[17:26] world that doesn't have these tools like
[17:28] what is what is that you know
[17:32] right and so I mean one of the things
[17:34] that I say
[17:35] um in in my work in the workbook your
[17:37] body's not in a publicly workbook in
[17:39] there I give practices 10 tools the
[17:40] radical self-love here the things we
[17:42] need to practice and I tell people all
[17:43] the time fools nine and ten are the most
[17:45] important and if you don't do them this
[17:47] will be a rough Journey forever and Tool
[17:50] number nine is you have to be in
[17:51] community it's again the story of
[17:54] individualism part of that story of
[17:57] external right it's the external world
[17:59] that's going to give you something right
[18:00] I can figure it out all by myself right
[18:02] like that's capitalism is like nope I
[18:04] did it all by myself and you reward me
[18:06] all by myself right and then when I feel
[18:09] terrible it's all by myself and it's all
[18:10] my fault right like all of it just takes
[18:12] you back to this III story and what I
[18:16] offer is that it is impossible in a
[18:19] world of constant like a constant
[18:23] barrage of messages and not enough and
[18:25] it's a constant barrage of messages of
[18:27] your deficient in this way or that way
[18:30] or you're just not going to ever be good
[18:32] enough it's impossible against those
[18:34] odds to try to do this work by yourself
[18:36] and part of the reason it's impossible
[18:38] because the work isn't supposed to be by
[18:39] yourself we are inherently
[18:41] interdependent be it and so you have to
[18:44] build a community of people who are
[18:45] moving like you're moving part of this
[18:47] you know
[18:48] I became vegan a year ago and it you
[18:52] know it talk about like oh I'm around
[18:54] people who live in real different than I
[18:57] yeah my family's like I'm sorry you're a
[19:00] vegan please pass the chicken wings
[19:02] especially to every food function right
[19:04] they like oh I made there's a salad bag
[19:06] in the fridge son you have at it right
[19:08] right
[19:10] um
[19:11] and it's in those moments where I'm like
[19:13] oh Jesus I don't know if I'm going to be
[19:15] able to do this and what I realize is
[19:18] right if I haven't built a community
[19:19] around my around myself that firms the
[19:22] way it is that I'm moving now then I
[19:25] will absolutely be pulled into the
[19:26] undertow of a former way of thinking
[19:28] right and so I have to surround myself
[19:32] with people and things and activities
[19:35] and ideas that reminded me one of the
[19:37] things that is helpful for me is like oh
[19:40] like I have a check in before I do a
[19:42] thing that I know is going to put me in
[19:44] a world that is you know counter to the
[19:46] the way I'm trying to move now I have a
[19:48] check in with someone who is in my in my
[19:51] community of practice now before and
[19:54] after I book in those things so that I'm
[19:57] not going to dive in with no life rafts
[20:01] with no Touchstone to what it is that
[20:04] actually
[20:05] um supports me and so I think that's
[20:08] just one small way to do it one small if
[20:10] I can just jump in it's just like first
[20:13] of all the we know this and I don't know
[20:16] why I've never thought about it until I
[20:19] read your book in terms of body because
[20:21] we are sold this live at we're just
[20:23] supposed to love ourselves by ourselves
[20:25] and figure it out by ourselves but we
[20:28] know in any other way like anyone who's
[20:30] tried to and everyone here has done it
[20:32] tried to elevate their vibration or
[20:34] increase their spiritual you've had to
[20:36] let some people go
[20:38] of course gotta change you can't elevate
[20:42] your behind with the toxic people around
[20:44] you so why would you be able to love
[20:46] your body or have radical self-love in
[20:50] this new way surrounded by a bunch of
[20:52] people
[20:53] who don't understand I'm not in
[20:55] alignment with that who don't understand
[20:56] that exactly so what's the second what's
[20:58] the second you said nine and ten are the
[21:00] two ones and ten is is give yourself
[21:03] some Grace there is a another one of the
[21:06] aspects right uh toxic aspects of the
[21:10] culture that we have been indoctrinated
[21:12] into one is individualism and the second
[21:14] is perfectionism right and then we've
[21:16] taken that idea of perfectionism and
[21:18] even placed it inside of the realm of
[21:20] self-love oh my gosh I have to do this
[21:22] perfectly I have to figure out how to
[21:24] you know like
[21:26] one of my workshop participants once
[21:28] called it medisham it's like oh now I
[21:30] have shame for having body shape right
[21:33] right like that's such an unsustainable
[21:35] way to exist in the world and what I
[21:39] offer inside of this idea of give
[21:41] yourself some Graces again we are inside
[21:43] of a world with a very specific
[21:47] indoctrination that it is frying and
[21:50] constantly reifying in US it is
[21:53] impossible to walk through every single
[21:55] day feeling like you know some radiant
[21:58] beam of radical self-love that's an
[22:01] unrealistic expectation and I practice
[22:04] for myself like instead of 13 years
[22:06] spinning nothing but I'm working on this
[22:10] idea of radical self-love and there are
[22:12] days that I don't feel very loving
[22:13] toward my body and on those days I
[22:16] practice and I love the Sonya that
[22:19] doesn't love her body until Sonia loves
[22:21] our body again I love you Sonia who
[22:24] thinks you're not enough today I love
[22:26] you Sonia who is displeased with your
[22:29] cellular I love you I love you imperfect
[22:32] Sonya because the more that I can
[22:35] practice loving the Sonya on her journey
[22:38] as opposed to the Sonya who's arrived at
[22:40] a destination
[22:42] the more I am able to sustain my
[22:46] connection to that love over time no
[22:48] matter the conditions
[22:51] this is this is really important because
[22:54] as we're on our path to spiritual growth
[22:56] I feel like so many of us we feel like
[22:59] we've done all this work on ourselves
[23:01] and then we shame ourselves when we feel
[23:03] like we've quote unquote taken a step
[23:05] back yes we learned so much in those in
[23:10] that piece right of how to love
[23:12] ourselves through every phase of the
[23:13] journey I want to ask you another
[23:14] question Sonya
[23:16] um
[23:17] I will tell you the part of this that
[23:20] felt like it really got me in your work
[23:25] in listening to you talk about this work
[23:27] that I really had to own and this you
[23:29] know what you're doing because this is
[23:31] this this part of this is my homework is
[23:33] some big Shadow work this is what we're
[23:35] doing here is Shadow work and I love
[23:37] some Shadow work here we do it here and
[23:39] so the piece of it that was so big for
[23:42] me
[23:43] is understanding that a big part of the
[23:46] reason of why I sometimes don't want to
[23:50] put down the old Story the old
[23:53] imagination is because I lose something
[23:57] when I do absolutely and I want you to
[24:00] speak about this because when you talked
[24:02] about this I said oh goodness this is
[24:04] really what it is this is really why I
[24:08] keep working my body out in a way that
[24:10] is causing me pain why I keep doing XYZ
[24:13] so can you speak about what we lose
[24:17] yes well I mean we're going to lose what
[24:22] the external World promised us now the
[24:24] truth of the matter is we weren't never
[24:26] going to have it to begin with yeah and
[24:27] I think that's the part that we actually
[24:29] have to Grapple with right but we the we
[24:32] elude the illusion that one day we will
[24:34] finally attain the thing right whether
[24:36] that's enough wealth to feel worthy or
[24:39] enough desirability to feel worthy or
[24:42] enough connections and popularity to
[24:44] whatever that is that we think is going
[24:46] to finally make us enough we're going to
[24:48] lose that and we're going to lose the
[24:50] capital that this world tosses at us as
[24:53] carrots to keep us on the on the hamster
[24:55] wheel right like you're gonna like
[24:57] because life does reward you for trying
[25:00] to play the game right like you will
[25:02] Ascend to certain levels or you will get
[25:04] certain trappings those things will
[25:06] happen but what you'll always notice is
[25:07] inside you'll still feel completely and
[25:09] totally empty you'll still feel utterly
[25:11] disconnected from any sense of Truth or
[25:13] self I say all the time we know this to
[25:15] be true because Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos
[25:18] are still trying to make more money
[25:20] right
[25:21] Jada made as much money as they could
[25:23] they could spend all their grandkids and
[25:25] their great great grandkids for eons and
[25:26] eons and they still want more because
[25:29] there's never going to be enough to fill
[25:32] that hole and so yes you got to give up
[25:36] the illusion that one day that thing
[25:38] outside you is gonna fill the hole you
[25:40] have to relinquish that and you'll have
[25:42] to relinquish the petty pieces of power
[25:46] and domination that you are given in
[25:50] exchange for continuing to trade your
[25:52] Humanity for that illusion
[25:55] and this is when I really had to own
[25:58] this
[25:59] it said okay Justin
[26:02] if you stop putting your body through
[26:04] this and you stop looking the way that
[26:08] the system has told you that you should
[26:11] look
[26:12] to be whatever
[26:14] you might lose some power
[26:17] you might lose walking into a room and
[26:22] getting benefits just because you look a
[26:25] certain way and people don't want to
[26:26] talk about this you might lose being in
[26:29] a space and being one of the more
[26:31] attractive or skinny or whatever people
[26:33] in the space and then you lose the
[26:35] automatic attention that makes you feel
[26:37] loved but guess what inside of all those
[26:41] spaces this is where people have to get
[26:42] real what you just said when I go in
[26:44] those spaces and even if I do feel that
[26:46] attention and power and love I still
[26:49] feel empty inside you're still empty
[26:52] It's never enough
[26:53] It's never enough and not only is it not
[26:56] this is the thing I want people to pair
[26:57] together right if you need an internal
[27:00] marker it's you still feel empty if you
[27:03] need an external marker
[27:04] power at whose expense right and so
[27:07] you're inside of a system that's like
[27:09] not only do you get to keep harming
[27:12] yourself and depleting yourself you also
[27:14] get to keep harming and depleting other
[27:15] people because that's the loop that that
[27:18] is asking us to stay in and when we step
[27:20] off of that yes we lose power inside of
[27:23] that system I want to go back to what
[27:25] you said before about that system is a
[27:28] certain set of imaginations
[27:31] yes you will lose power inside of the
[27:34] imagination of white supremacist
[27:37] capitalists hetero ableist phobic
[27:40] patriarchy yep you certainly will guess
[27:43] what that system is diabolical bibly
[27:45] violent and the scourge of all the
[27:48] things it is that we are navigating in
[27:49] the world right now and so yes I don't
[27:52] want to live in that imagination and the
[27:54] truth of the matter is every time I have
[27:56] relinquished power in that space I have
[27:59] gained power in my own beingness and it
[28:02] creates a whole new possible world I
[28:05] live differently today because I move
[28:08] differently outside of that system and
[28:10] there's nothing that that system offered
[28:12] me that I don't have access to in a way
[28:15] that allows me to still have my Humanity
[28:16] intact
[28:18] grew authentic real connections with
[28:20] people who actually value and love me
[28:22] and the ability to create the kind of
[28:25] world I desire all of us to live in not
[28:27] just my opportunity to cash into the old
[28:29] one and that is the freedom that is
[28:32] freedom that's Freedom that's Freedom
[28:36] yes instead of thinking I'm gonna have
[28:39] freedom once I look like this one time
[28:41] like this and then you get a little bite
[28:42] of it and that's what the system does oh
[28:43] look you got some attention gone
[28:46] more no now you're in jail now you're in
[28:48] jail to that thing now you are
[28:49] incarcerated by that thing freedom is
[28:52] the ability to be 100 in Integrity with
[28:56] yourself
[28:57] that is freedom
[29:00] now Sonia I I want to ask you
[29:04] because we have people in this community
[29:07] who are committed deeply to creating a
[29:12] world where everyone can be free
[29:14] committed to creating a world where we
[29:16] can come together across divides and
[29:17] raise each other up yeah
[29:21] if I continue
[29:24] to hate on my body if I continue to live
[29:27] in this system how is this affecting
[29:30] other people because I know it can't
[29:32] just be about me
[29:35] yeah absolutely not well it goes back to
[29:38] what you just said about this idea of
[29:40] like if I'm not if I you know when I
[29:42] walk into the spaceship and the thinnest
[29:44] I'm the most attractive if I'm the most
[29:46] desirable if I have the most right all
[29:48] of that is
[29:50] how do I
[29:52] become
[29:53] more important than the other people
[29:56] here
[29:57] right it's how do I the way I talk about
[29:59] it is that we exist in a world that has
[30:01] a ladder of bodily hierarchy you have a
[30:04] a ladder right which means wherever you
[30:06] are on that ladder based off of you know
[30:09] your physical
[30:11] presentation based off of your
[30:14] socioeconomic status your educate all
[30:16] these things go into that ladder and
[30:19] wherever you are on that ladder
[30:21] there are people who are above you and
[30:24] there are people who are below you
[30:26] and your attempt to secure your station
[30:29] in that ladder or your attempt to ascend
[30:32] that ladder
[30:33] demands that there remain people below
[30:36] you
[30:37] it demands that there be people who get
[30:41] less than you have that are seen less
[30:44] than you are who are desired less than
[30:47] you are who are prepared for less than
[30:49] you are who ultimately have less
[30:51] resource and protection and safety than
[30:53] you do because those are the things that
[30:55] you get people higher up on the ladder
[30:57] right we get people higher up on the
[30:59] ladder more resource to give them more
[31:01] safety we give them more protection we
[31:02] give them more care right and the people
[31:05] lower the ladder get less of all those
[31:06] things and so every time you try to
[31:09] ascend that ladder you reaffirm that
[31:11] there's an entire selection of humans
[31:13] that should have and will have less
[31:17] safety care protection resource and love
[31:21] than you have
[31:23] um
[31:24] and so every time
[31:26] that I continue to play that game
[31:30] I am basically stepping on somebody who
[31:34] is below me millions of people millions
[31:36] of people and saying stay where you are
[31:38] and let me stand where you are and let
[31:40] me stand on your head let me stand on
[31:42] your head so I can
[31:45] Sonia
[31:47] I I can't thank you enough for your work
[31:51] um I mean it really is the best thing
[31:54] that I have ever heard and read and I've
[31:56] been working this story I've been
[31:58] working this for my entire life I've
[32:02] been working this for as far back as I
[32:04] have a memory I'll never forget I'll
[32:07] just tell you I could cry like I just
[32:09] you your work and you have
[32:12] have given me a pathway to freedom in a
[32:15] way that I've never experienced and so I
[32:16] just want to thank you because for me
[32:18] this started I remember I was in sixth
[32:21] grade
[32:22] and me and a bunch of friends went to
[32:25] take this um physical education class at
[32:29] a community college that was about
[32:30] weight lifting and I'm the young kind of
[32:33] scrawny gay but in the closet black boy
[32:37] at school and I'm with all these
[32:41] straight boys who have been athletes
[32:44] and I just remember being in that space
[32:47] and all the girls at the point when I
[32:50] cared about that but like all the girls
[32:51] and all the people were just all about
[32:54] these guys and I remember thinking
[32:58] it was the first time I thought what is
[33:00] it about me why are they not looking at
[33:03] me but they're looking at them and I saw
[33:05] when they would take their shirts off
[33:06] after this class
[33:08] oh they their bodies are like that and
[33:12] so they're more desirable they're more
[33:14] powerful and from sixth grade until now
[33:18] I've been trying to catch up to those
[33:21] boys yeah but guess what I'm the acorn
[33:26] that's not supposed to be like those
[33:28] boys it my body breaks down every time I
[33:31] even try
[33:32] and so this made me see the status the
[33:37] power the whole frame that has been
[33:41] having me living inside of a system that
[33:43] again was never mine to begin with in
[33:47] the first place yeah yeah an illusion
[33:50] right an illusion that we all got sold
[33:52] and you know my hope is always just that
[33:55] I'd be a contribution to how we get out
[33:58] of the illusion back into our true
[34:00] selves that's all yes can you I would
[34:03] love it if you could close us out with
[34:05] with maybe a little practice because
[34:09] um
[34:10] we talked about being inside of this old
[34:12] imagination
[34:14] and I think a part of what people will
[34:16] be be hoping for is like a felt
[34:20] experience of what it feels like to be
[34:22] in
[34:24] the real imagination the right
[34:26] imagination you know a new imagination
[34:28] could you guide us through just a short
[34:30] little something to help get us into
[34:33] that
[34:34] space so we can start to create and live
[34:36] from there
[34:37] yeah I mean I think what
[34:41] oh there's I'm like What's one that
[34:44] doesn't get us you know for me what I've
[34:47] realized is just it's an onion layer but
[34:49] that's okay actually and so I think what
[34:51] I would say is the first thing is
[34:54] like
[34:55] to allow ourselves to be like all right
[34:57] what's the biggest thing that I hear in
[35:00] this journey hey what's the thing that
[35:02] feels the most
[35:04] terrifying to me right about moving
[35:08] toward my own radical self-love for me
[35:11] it's losing love from other people
[35:12] that's for me got it and then so once we
[35:16] identify that in the next activity is
[35:19] can I welcome the fear of losing love
[35:22] okay
[35:24] and I let that in can I let in the fear
[35:27] of losing love or whatever it is for the
[35:30] people or whatever it is whatever that
[35:32] fear is that you named can you just say
[35:34] I I welcome you here
[35:36] right
[35:38] and let that be
[35:42] and then ask that fear once you really
[35:45] have a felt sense of it a felt sense
[35:47] like I feel this in my like where do you
[35:50] feel that fear when you think about it
[35:51] where in your body you feel that fear
[35:54] so my chest for me is just there my
[35:57] heart starts beating fast yeah yeah
[35:59] right and so you're like all right
[36:01] that's in my chest
[36:04] and then you're just asking what do you
[36:05] want me to know
[36:12] it says that you're you're loved anyways
[36:15] baby
[36:17] right
[36:18] here's the thing that comes up for me
[36:20] all the time is when that fear comes up
[36:24] the first thing to do is welcome it
[36:26] because it has information for you but
[36:28] we spend so much time being like you
[36:30] must keep the fear out must go do the
[36:33] thing that's how we keep the fear out
[36:35] where I push it away by going to do the
[36:37] thing that I think externally is going
[36:39] to give it to me the invitation is to
[36:42] welcome it because it has a message for
[36:44] you and it's always a message that
[36:46] reminds you of that authentic crew
[36:49] experience of radical self-love and so
[36:52] when you feel that fear of this journey
[36:54] come up stop and invite it in that has
[36:57] something to tell you and it's going to
[36:59] be sweet it's going to be loving and
[37:01] it's going to be the next step to how
[37:03] you really reclaim your own seated
[37:06] empowered place of radical self-love
[37:10] um
[37:11] Sonia thank you I mean this is so
[37:13] powerful because what we know often is
[37:15] when we're faced with fear it's because
[37:17] we're expanding beyond our comfort zone
[37:19] and in this space that's exactly where
[37:21] we want to get is into a new space
[37:24] beyond our comfort zone
[37:25] absolutely Sonya
[37:29] thank you so much I am so thankful I'm
[37:33] so grateful this is going to help so
[37:36] many people
[37:38] um as we close is there anything that
[37:40] you would like to share and just like
[37:42] any parting closing words with folks
[37:46] um I mean one just thank you so much for
[37:47] inviting me I appreciate it um folks
[37:49] often ask me like how can they do this
[37:52] people ask me a lot about how to do this
[37:54] work with kids and so I have a new book
[37:56] coming out and I tell October that you
[37:58] can pre-order right now called The Book
[38:00] of radical answers real questions from
[38:02] real kids just like you and it is for
[38:04] ages 10 to 14 and kids around the world
[38:07] wrote in questions about how they are
[38:09] moving through these ideas of body
[38:11] identity politics gender religion all of
[38:14] these things well how do they do that
[38:16] from a radical self-love standpoint and
[38:18] I'm 100 certain that this is for kids
[38:20] and it's for the kids inside of us and
[38:22] so I really invite folks to go pre-order
[38:25] book of radical answers and you can find
[38:28] the link for that on my Instagram page
[38:31] yeah okay and it'll also be there any
[38:34] place books are sold yeah yeah so that's
[38:36] that's a really powerful sign that
[38:38] you're doing this work for kids because
[38:39] if with if I had this when I was
[38:42] younger right right
[38:45] yeah I'm hoping we can give folks some
[38:48] years of their lives back yeah save a
[38:50] lot of money on therapy well everybody
[38:53] everybody uh please show your love to
[38:57] Sonia in the chat in the comments
[38:58] wherever it is that you're watching this
[39:00] Sonia we thank you we honor you we love
[39:03] you we rise together and I'm just so
[39:05] grateful for you thank you
[39:07] well so mutual thank you