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Inspiration

Finding Peace in Lay Life: Dhamma Tools for Unsettled Days

Ajahn Brahm
Ajahn Brahm
Oct 24, 2026
10 min read

From Buddhist Society of Western Australia

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Drew Bellamy's Friday night talk at the Buddhist Society of Western Australia, delivered on 16 October 2026 as part of the Unshakeable Peace Rains Retreat speakers' series, is a working lay practitioner's answer to a plain question: what do you do when life won't settle down? Bellamy, a family man and businessman who has given eleven Dhamma talks as a lay speaker, argues that Buddhist teaching does not promise a life free of pressure, but it does supply two usable instruments. One is right view, a clear picture of how the world tends to operate, drawn from a discourse on the eight worldly conditions. The other is a form of mindfulness that can be applied moment to moment in the middle of a difficult week. What follows is a reading of that talk, expanded to explain the ideas on their own terms for anyone who did not sit in the hall.

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What does a Friday night Dhamma talk look like from inside the hall?

The evening opens the way many lay sanghas do. The speaker is introduced, the lights are dimmed, and the first question is practical: which style of meditation does the room want? Bellamy offers a choice between a deeply guided session that begins with a body scan and a lightly guided one that gets straight to the breath. The room votes for the lighter path, and he lets the silence do most of the work.

His instructions are spare. Check the posture, feel for tension in the face, shoulders and stomach, then let attention settle on the breath, "through the nostril and out through the nostril." He suggests a handful of deeper breaths, then asks the room to let thoughts slow "by letting them be. By not following them, just watching them, not interfering with them." When the mind wanders, the instruction is simply to return to the breath. He puts the standard into a single sentence: "It doesn't have to be perfect still. Just has to be slowing. Relaxing."

That sentence is worth holding onto, because it sets the tone for everything after. Bellamy is not presenting a technique that demands a perfectly quiet mind. He is describing a direction. Peace, in his telling, is something you move toward, not something you must already possess before you are allowed to begin.

Why does Dhamma matter more when lay life gets complicated?

Bellamy's own history gives the talk its emotional weight. He first came to the Society around 2005, when he was thirty. In his telling, life then looked simple. He was unmarried, had no children, did not own a home and was not running a business, and he admits that he assumed those were the things that would make life easier once he had them. He describes the young man he was with some wry humour, suggesting that the thirty-year-old version of himself "probably wouldn't last very long" in the life he later built.

The pivot of the talk is an observation he states plainly: "in my experience after 50-odd years, life doesn't seem to get any easier, but the Dharma uh and some of the tools available in Buddhism can help you cope a bit better and not exacerbate um situations." That is a more modest claim than many spiritual talks make. He is not offering escape. He is offering a way of not turning ordinary difficulty into a larger crisis.

He also points to the kind of training he would have lacked. A mind shaped mainly by science and engineering habits, he suggests, can handle problems that have clear solutions. It is less equipped for conditions that cannot be solved and simply have to be lived with. That gap is where the Dharma enters his talk.

How do right view and mindfulness work together?

Bellamy frames the talk within the eightfold path, which he lists as right view, right thought, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right mindfulness and right samadhi. He is selective about which factors he will use. Two, he says, fit a practical lay life: right view and right mindfulness. He also notes that he reads samadhi narrowly, since he understands the Buddha's usage to refer to states at or beyond jhana-style meditation rather than to meditation in general.

The logic is sequential. Right view comes first because it "sets the stage" for how the world works. If you understand the terrain, you are less surprised when it behaves as it always has. Right mindfulness comes second as a set of techniques for applying that understanding moment to moment and week to week.

He is candid about the problem with the phrase most people hear first. "Oh, you've just got to be mindful." Bellamy's paraphrase of the typical response is a shrug: "Okay, so what does that mean?" His talk is partly an answer to that question, and it is why he gives mindfulness an operational form rather than leaving it as a slogan.

What does the Buddha's discourse on the eight worldly conditions actually say?

The core text for right view in this talk is a discourse on the eight worldly conditions. Bellamy tells the room he first encountered it after walking into the hall, while reading the sutta books. Among the thousands of suttas, he found it to be what struck him at the time as "a really practical explanation from the Buddha on how the world works." He reads two highlighted passages, drawing on the Bhikkhu Bodhi translation, and then discusses them with the room.

"Hit by" a first arrow is unavoidable; the uninstructed worldling is the one who then adds a second. In Bellamy's words, the pattern is like being struck and then worrying and reacting to the wound.

— Drew Bellamy, Buddhist Society of Western Australia talk, 16 October 2026 (paraphrased from the spoken reading, around 41:20)

The passage he returns to repeatedly is about the reactions people have to gain and loss, pleasure and pain. The worldling, the ordinary untrained person, is pulled around by these conditions and clings to what is pleasant while forcefully trying to dodge what is painful. Bellamy's point is that the pain of a pleasant or unpleasant event is one layer, and the mind's resistance to it is a second, often heavier, layer.

He illustrates this with the image of being struck by a dart. The first strike is part of life. The second is what happens when the mind starts worrying about the wound, replaying it, and resisting it. Bellamy ties this to a practical instruction in the talk: when pain or discomfort arises, one can work with it instead of compounding it. Understood this way, right view does not mean denying that bad things happen. It means refusing to add the second dart.

He also acknowledges that the sutta has been a source of comfort in his own life, in the sense that it gives him a reference point when things go wrong. Right view, he says, puts a person on the path of "not being too stressed out when things go wrong" and not "feeling injustice has been done" when the world does not match what they wanted.

Can mindfulness be used as a daily tool rather than a slogan?

The second half of the talk turns from doctrine to application. Bellamy promises a mindfulness technique that can be used in daily life and describes some recent occasions when he applied it. The excerpted transcript, which is the portion available for this article, ends before the technique is laid out in full, so it would be inaccurate to reconstruct its steps here. The video itself is the place to hear it directly.

What the excerpt does show is the kind of situation he has in mind. He recounts a trip to Japan, a honeymoon, during which he was caught in what he calls "a proper emergency in downtown Tokyo." The people around him, he says, appeared calm on the surface, but he could feel panic rising in himself. Rather than be swept along, he talks himself through it, speaking to himself directly with a line of encouragement: "You can do this, Drew."

That small scene is the talk's best demonstration of how the two halves connect. Right view tells him that the event is a condition of the world and not a personal failing. Mindfulness gives him a point of contact in the body and the breath, and a voice to steady the mind inside the moment. Neither removes the emergency. Both change his relationship to it.

He also reflects on how much harder it would be without the practice. Picturing people he knows who are not using the Dharma in similar circumstances, he suggests that the difference lies less in the events than in the tools a person brings to them. The Dharma, in his view, is what enables a person to apply the teaching and "gain" something useful from difficulty, rather than simply enduring it.

What is the practical takeaway for ordinary lay life?

Bellamy's talk is modest in its aims and precise in its method. He does not claim that unshakable peace is available to a householder. In his own words, "I'm not sure if you can get unshakable peace unless you're fully enlightened. Um but certainly we can make inroads there." That honesty is the reason the rest of the talk is credible. He is describing inroads, not arrivals.

For a reader who wants to take something from the talk, three elements stand out. First, a clear picture of how the world tends to behave, which reduces the shock when things go wrong. Second, a distinction between the first strike of pain and the second strike of resistance, which is where much of ordinary suffering lives. Third, a practice of returning to the breath and the body, so that mindfulness becomes something you can do in a crisis rather than something you intend to do later.

The Friday night format also carries a lesson. A lay speaker who has spent years in administration and business, and who has been living with the pressures of a family, a company and a growing life, is standing up to explain that the practice did not make his life simpler. It made it workable. That is a more useful promise than most people expect from a talk about peace.

Where to go from here

If this talk resonated, the most direct next step is to listen to the full recording, particularly for the mindfulness technique Bellamy describes in detail and the Q&A that followed. The Buddhist Society of Western Australia publishes its teachings at bswa.org/teachings, and additional recordings are available through the Buddha City and Deeper Dhamma podcast feeds the Society maintains. For the eight worldly conditions, read the sutta itself in full, since Bellamy quoted only the two passages that bear on his argument. And if you are new to the eightfold path, start with right view, as he suggests, and let your understanding of how the world operates shape how you apply the rest.

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[0:01] Okay, and now I would like to introduce

[0:05] tonight's speaker.

[0:07] So tonight's speaker is Drew Bellamy.

[0:11] Drew is a long-time Buddhist

[0:15] practitioner.

[0:16] And regularly speaker with Buddhist

[0:19] Society of Western Australia.

[0:21] Outside of Dharma, he works in

[0:24] engineering and runs Australian mining

[0:26] technology business. His practice has

[0:29] been influenced by teachings of Ajahn

[0:32] Brahm and also more recently by retreat

[0:36] practice with Bhante Dhammananda in

[0:38] Cambodia.

[0:40] His talks explore how traditional

[0:42] Buddhist teachings can be applied

[0:44] practically

[0:46] to the precious and uncertainty and

[0:48] responsibilities of ordinary lay life.

[0:55] So yeah, I welcome

[0:57] Drew Bellamy and

[0:58] hand over

[1:00] microphone.

[1:01] >> Thank you.

[1:02] Thanks everyone for coming tonight. It's

[1:04] always good as a lay speaker when you

[1:05] turn up

[1:06] and it's not just you and one other

[1:07] friend.

[1:09] Um

[1:11] So tonight I'll do a half hour guided

[1:14] meditation and then

[1:16] a 40 minute talk roughly and then I'll

[1:19] leave 20 minutes for for Q&A.

[1:23] I'm not going to be able to pull off the

[1:26] changing for the triple gem homage.

[1:28] Um

[1:29] So we'll just have to we'll probably

[1:30] have to skip that and then at the end of

[1:31] the Q&A we can just do the three bells.

[1:36] Okay. Um

[1:39] So I might just take a vote for the

[1:40] meditation.

[1:42] Who wants a

[1:45] deeply guided meditation starting with a

[1:47] body scan?

[1:48] The other choice is a

[1:51] lightly guided meditation where we just

[1:53] get straight into it. So the first one,

[1:55] the body scan and the and the

[1:57] and more guidance.

[2:01] And those who just want to go into the

[2:03] meditation with little guidance.

[2:07] Oh, okay. It's the little guidance.

[2:09] Okay, last year it was um it was it was

[2:11] the body scan. Um

[2:13] okay, so if we can just please dim the

[2:15] lights

[2:16] uh Bill

[2:17] and uh we'll get into it.

[2:32] So even for a

[2:33] a lightly guided meditation

[2:36] just a few words at the start perhaps

[2:38] we'll um

[2:39] just check our sitting position.

[2:44] Make sure our

[2:46] backs and

[2:47] bums are nice and comfortable and our

[2:49] feet are

[2:50] nicely placed on the floor on a cushion.

[2:53] Just take a bit of time to

[2:55] I always do a bit of wiggling and

[2:58] just checking the shoulders.

[3:00] Just feeling for any extra tension in

[3:03] in the face or any other part of the

[3:05] body like the stomach and then um

[3:08] as the silence the meditation comes

[3:10] paying a little bit of attention

[3:12] to those areas first

[3:14] before focusing on

[3:16] on the breath and then finally focusing

[3:19] on the mind.

[3:51] And as we're feeling the body just

[3:53] allowing the thoughts to

[3:57] slow down

[3:59] by letting them be.

[4:01] by not following them

[4:04] just watching them

[4:07] not interfering with them.

[4:45] Maybe now thinking about

[4:48] following the breath.

[4:52] through the nostril

[4:55] and out through the nostril.

[4:58] Maybe starting with some deeper breaths.

[5:01] 3 4 5 6 deeper breaths

[5:04] and allowing the breath to settle.

[6:44] >> If the mind is getting a bit just anchor

[6:46] back to the breath.

[6:59] It doesn't have to be perfect still.

[7:00] Just has to be slowing.

[7:03] Relaxing.

[11:35] >> Mhm.

[13:30] >> Mhm.

[17:20] >> Mhm.

[23:56] >> In the last few minutes of the

[23:57] meditation,

[24:00] just make sure you're aware of the

[24:01] breath.

[26:45] >> And as I ring the gong three times, and

[26:47] on the third gong, we come out.

[26:50] Just checking the body.

[27:55] Well done everyone. That's probably one

[27:57] of the better meditations over the last

[27:59] year or so.

[28:01] Um

[28:02] It's good. You can feel the silence.

[28:06] No mobile phones going off. Great.

[28:15] >> [cough and clears throat]

[28:15] >> Okay.

[28:18] So, um

[28:19] the theme of my talk tonight is uh

[28:23] using the Dharma to find a little bit

[28:25] more peace in in lay life

[28:28] um

[28:29] as the theme of the

[28:30] range retreat guest series was

[28:32] unshakable peace.

[28:34] Uh I'm not sure if you can get

[28:36] unshakable peace unless you're fully

[28:38] enlightened.

[28:39] Um but certainly we can make

[28:42] inroads there.

[28:43] Um and sometimes in in lay life it gets

[28:46] so busy and difficult. Um

[28:49] you you wonder how you can how you can

[28:51] do that. So, tonight I'll just

[28:54] going to put down a couple of excerpts

[28:56] from um some suttas and talk about um

[28:59] two ways that we can do that. And then

[29:00] I'm going to run through a um a

[29:02] mindfulness technique that you can use

[29:05] in daily life um

[29:07] and some examples about how I've

[29:09] recently uh successfully applied it.

[29:13] Um so, just a little bit of background

[29:15] to get into the talk. I first came here

[29:17] uh

[29:18] about 20 years ago, about 2005.

[29:21] Um

[29:22] as a as a 30-year-old and um

[29:26] lay life then was pretty simple. I

[29:28] thought as a 30-year-old that I had

[29:30] problems.

[29:32] But, little did I know 20-odd years

[29:34] later

[29:35] >> [laughter]

[29:36] >> being being at 30, being um

[29:39] uh unmarried and no kids and um

[29:42] not owning a home and not running a

[29:44] business, um I

[29:46] yeah, I didn't I didn't think I didn't

[29:49] think those things would be um

[29:51] difficult. They were things that I all

[29:52] strived for. And then in lay life, as I

[29:56] accumulated them, I found that um

[29:59] things definitely got more complicated.

[30:01] And um

[30:03] the

[30:04] I think the 30-year-old Drew

[30:07] um if he came and took took my shoes,

[30:11] he probably wouldn't last very long.

[30:13] Um

[30:16] Luckily for me,

[30:17] uh I've stuck at at the Dharma for um

[30:21] for 20 years with varying degrees of um

[30:23] success and and failure.

[30:26] And I would say that um

[30:28] it's definitely given me some um coping

[30:31] tools that that if I had

[30:34] have gone down a path of life um and

[30:36] just stuck with sort of the science

[30:38] engineering philosophies I I had, um

[30:41] which you mainly do if you're like that

[30:43] in in your 30s, um um yeah, I wouldn't

[30:46] have been coping with uh

[30:48] all the things that have come down have

[30:50] come down the road. So,

[30:53] I guess tonight I would say that um

[30:55] in my experience after 50-odd years,

[30:58] life doesn't seem to get any easier, but

[31:02] the Dharma uh and some of the tools

[31:04] available in Buddhism can

[31:07] help you cope a bit better and not

[31:10] exacerbate um situations.

[31:15] So,

[31:16] >> [clears throat]

[31:16] >> um

[31:17] I was going to start with um the

[31:20] eightfold path.

[31:21] Um I was talking to a young man tonight.

[31:23] It's his first night here and he said,

[31:25] "I don't know anything about Buddhism."

[31:27] And unfortunately, he came on a night

[31:28] where we did the light meditation. So,

[31:30] he's probably at the back wondering,

[31:31] "What was that about?" Um but what he

[31:33] did say was that he knew he had heard of

[31:36] and looked at the the eightfold path. Um

[31:39] which is right view, right thought,

[31:42] right speech, right action, right

[31:45] livelihood, right effort, um right

[31:48] mindfulness, and right samadhi. Some

[31:50] people say meditation, but I like to say

[31:52] samadhi cuz reading the sutras, um the

[31:55] Buddha doesn't really consider uh

[31:58] anything from what I can see below jhana

[32:01] style meditation as um samadhi. So,

[32:05] right samadhi.

[32:06] So,

[32:08] um of the eightfold path, there's

[32:11] there's two factors of it, I think, that

[32:13] fit with my talk tonight um that can

[32:15] help you in lay life. The first first of

[32:18] all is right view,

[32:19] um and second of all is mindfulness. So,

[32:22] in right view, setting, I guess, the

[32:24] stage of the world and why it operates

[32:27] like it does. And then um right

[32:29] mindfulness is about having um

[32:32] techniques to apply moment to moment,

[32:35] week to week. Uh and sometimes

[32:39] in Buddhism, you hear people say, "Oh,

[32:40] you've just got to be mindful." And

[32:42] you're like, "Okay, so what does that

[32:43] mean?" "Oh, just be mindful." Well, what

[32:45] do you mean? Anyway, I've got something

[32:46] for you on that. Um

[32:48] so

[32:51] the first,

[32:52] um

[32:53] sutta tonight, I'm not reading the whole

[32:55] sutta. I've just highlighted two

[32:56] paragraphs, um from each one, and then

[32:59] we'll have a discussion about it.

[33:01] But as far as right view goes,

[33:04] this sutta I came across when I was when

[33:06] I first walked in the hall not long

[33:07] after, and then I started reading the

[33:09] sutta books, and it's called, uh the

[33:11] eight worldly conditions.

[33:14] And at the time, in my 30s, um it just

[33:16] hit me as a really practical, uh

[33:19] explanation from the Buddha on how the

[33:21] world works. Now, there's many, many

[33:23] there's thousands of suttas, and and of

[33:25] course, most of them are very good. Um

[33:27] so, it's like a sea of information out

[33:29] there,

[33:30] uh and I just came across this one

[33:33] not so long ago, after many years of not

[33:34] even thinking about it, and thought

[33:36] that, um it would make for good subject

[33:38] matter in the in the talk tonight for

[33:40] setting up right view. Because if we can

[33:42] set up

[33:43] right view,

[33:45] um

[33:46] we're already on the pathway of not

[33:48] being too stressed out when when things

[33:50] go wrong, and not um being too worried

[33:53] or feeling injustice has been done when

[33:55] the world's not quite working the way we

[33:57] want it to.

[33:58] So, I'll just I'll just read these, um

[34:01] two paragraphs on this one. It's a it's

[34:02] a much longer sutta, but I've just

[34:04] picked out, I think, what's um

[34:06] um

[34:06] pertinent to tonight.

[34:08] >> [clears throat]

[34:09] >> So, this is from the Bhikkhu Bodhi, um

[34:11] series that you can buy in the in the

[34:13] library. Uh and this is the Anguttara

[34:15] Nikaya,

[34:17] 8.5.

[34:18] >> [clears throat]

[34:20] >> Bhikkhus, these eight worldly conditions

[34:22] revolve around the world, and the world

[34:24] revolves around these eight worldly

[34:26] conditions. What eight?

[34:29] Gain and loss,

[34:30] disrepute and fame, blame and praise,

[34:34] pleasure and pain.

[34:36] These conditions that people meet are

[34:38] impermanent, transient, and subject to

[34:40] change.

[34:41] A wise and mindful person knows them and

[34:43] sees them as subject to change.

[34:46] Desirable conditions don't excite their

[34:48] mind, nor are they repelled by the

[34:50] undesirable conditions.

[34:53] They have dispelled attraction and

[34:54] repulsion. They are gone and no longer

[34:57] present. Having known the dustless,

[34:59] sorrowless state, they understand

[35:01] rightly they have transcended existence.

[35:04] So, probably probably the last few lines

[35:06] are talking about um arahants,

[35:09] but

[35:10] what the Buddha's saying here, I guess,

[35:12] is um there's four pairs

[35:14] uh that all humans are subject to. So,

[35:17] it's eight worldly conditions, but

[35:19] they're four pairs

[35:20] um

[35:21] and each pair is a spectrum of of

[35:23] extreme, and at any one time

[35:26] um

[35:27] each of us

[35:28] is somewhere different simult-

[35:30] simultaneously on those on those four

[35:32] pairs, and

[35:34] it's astounding that um you know, he

[35:36] gave this teaching 2 and 1/2 thousand

[35:38] years ago, and all the technology's

[35:40] changed, and culture here, of course, is

[35:42] quite different to Bronze Age India, um

[35:45] but absolutely you can see that they all

[35:47] still apply to us um every day or or

[35:51] every year.

[35:52] Um and if we think about the eight

[35:55] worldly conditions, even if we just

[35:56] focus on one, gain and loss, I mean,

[35:58] that's that's an obvious one, whether

[36:00] it's um material things or um

[36:03] you know, you gain a spouse, and then

[36:06] you gain old age, and then you lose a

[36:08] spouse. Um

[36:10] And these things can be, of course, a

[36:12] diff- a difficult to deal with, but if

[36:14] we

[36:15] if we understand that it's inevitable

[36:17] that this is going to happen, like we we

[36:19] wake up in this human body and get up in

[36:20] the morning, and stuff's going on, and

[36:23] we're not we're not going to be able to

[36:25] um

[36:26] to stop it.

[36:28] >> [snorts]

[36:29] >> But with right view, um we can I guess

[36:32] be almost uh

[36:34] stoic about it, which is which is

[36:36] another philosophy. I'm sure most of you

[36:37] heard about it from from ancient Rome.

[36:40] Um

[36:41] where they're saying almost um you

[36:43] approach life with a

[36:45] patient endurance.

[36:48] The Buddha goes a little bit further, um

[36:50] uh even though he was before them, I

[36:52] think. Uh 2 and 1/2 thousand years and

[36:54] Rome was about 2 thousand so I think so.

[36:56] Um

[36:57] the the Buddha's saying that um

[37:00] in regards to

[37:02] the eight worldly conditions and these

[37:04] things that we're subjected to loss and

[37:06] gain and fame and blame, um which I've

[37:09] had all of it in my life uh and actually

[37:11] I don't want any of it anymore. I just

[37:13] rather have the middle way.

[37:15] Um

[37:16] The the Buddha's saying that the the

[37:18] trick is um

[37:20] not to have attachment to it. So, with

[37:23] um the pleasure

[37:25] on the pleasure-pain spectrum,

[37:28] not to be attached to pleasure, which is

[37:31] which is difficult. Um

[37:33] and also not to be um averting or

[37:37] I guess forcefully dodging pain because

[37:40] each one just exacerbates the situation.

[37:44] Um

[37:45] So, he the Buddha would not be

[37:47] advocating that um

[37:49] if you're in um

[37:51] pain or there's some problem to deal

[37:52] with that you don't go through process

[37:54] and do it, but he's saying that it's

[37:56] going to happen anyway. You wake up and

[37:58] and stuff's going to happen. Um

[38:01] and you can't really avoid it, including

[38:03] the pleasure, which is nice if it turns

[38:04] up. Um

[38:06] So, if you if you have a mindset where

[38:09] you're not

[38:11] clinging

[38:12] um I guess to say looking at the

[38:14] pleasure and pain one,

[38:16] um

[38:17] or gain and loss. If you're not clinging

[38:19] to gain, um then when you do lose

[38:22] something, uh, it's not I guess as as

[38:26] painful because you weren't that

[38:28] attached to it in in the first place.

[38:33] The, um, the second sutta, so that so

[38:35] that's about right view.

[38:37] And then the second sutta is, um,

[38:43] about mindfulness on the on the

[38:45] eightfold path if if we want to

[38:47] reference it back to that. So this one's

[38:49] from the, um, from Saṃyutta Nikāya

[38:52] 36 number six, uh, and it's called

[38:55] uh, in the Bhikkhu Bodhi translation he

[38:57] just calls it darts, um, but other

[39:00] authors over time have called it the the

[39:02] two arrows. So again, I'll just read two

[39:04] paragraphs and then and then I'll keep

[39:06] talking.

[39:12] Bhikkhus,

[39:13] when the uninstructed worldling is being

[39:16] contacted by a painful feeling, he

[39:18] sorrows, grieves, and laments. He weeps

[39:21] beating his breast and becomes

[39:22] distraught.

[39:23] He feels two feelings, a bodily one and

[39:26] a mental one.

[39:28] Suppose they were to strike a man with a

[39:30] dart or arrow,

[39:32] and they would strike him immediately

[39:33] afterwards with a second dart.

[39:36] So that man would feel pain caused by

[39:39] two darts.

[39:41] So too, when the uninstructed worldling

[39:43] is contacted by a painful feeling, he

[39:45] feels two feelings, a bodily one and

[39:48] then a mental one.

[39:51] By being contacted by that same painful

[39:53] feeling, he harbors aversion towards it.

[39:55] When he harbors aversion towards painful

[39:57] feeling, the underlying tendency to

[40:00] aversion lies behind this.

[40:04] He then, after this contact, seeks

[40:06] delight in sensual pleasure. For what

[40:09] reason?

[40:10] Because the uninstructed worldling does

[40:12] not know of any escape from pain

[40:14] other than sensual pleasure.

[40:18] That's interesting.

[40:20] Um

[40:21] So,

[40:23] in the first instance with the two

[40:25] darts, he's obviously talking about So,

[40:27] you get hit by a dart or emotional or

[40:30] physical, who knows? Maybe something

[40:31] goes wrong in a relationship and um

[40:34] you've got a broken heart or something

[40:35] like that. So, you get hit by the first

[40:38] dart and then you're um

[40:42] taking

[40:44] Basically, it's like you've been hit by

[40:45] the uh and you're saying, "Oh, why was

[40:46] this thrown at me? Who threw it at me?

[40:49] Uh why did they do that? Why does this

[40:50] always happen to me?" And then So, the

[40:52] Buddha's saying the second phase is is

[40:54] is the mental

[40:55] um and that can cause just as much pain

[40:58] as the initial um

[41:01] first injury, so to speak. And

[41:03] I mean, I I can talk about it in my life

[41:05] where I've had um

[41:08] uh

[41:09] family or or emotional problems that,

[41:11] you know, over the years in different

[41:12] circumstances.

[41:14] And um

[41:15] you you you it happens and then you just

[41:17] think about it and think about it and

[41:18] then you're not sleeping properly at

[41:20] night and then you're worrying and

[41:21] you're wondering, "Oh, how can I solve

[41:23] this? And why did it happen? And it's so

[41:25] unjust and that person's so evil. Um and

[41:29] on and on it goes.

[41:30] And suddenly the event may have been

[41:32] just like a day or an hour and then

[41:35] you're spending

[41:37] days or nights thinking about it and

[41:40] generating

[41:41] fantasy stories and fantasy revenges and

[41:44] um

[41:45] uh

[41:45] making this whole

[41:48] uh

[41:48] story that's consuming all your all your

[41:51] bandwidth um and actually it's probably

[41:53] or it is definitely very unhealthy for

[41:56] you. So,

[41:57] in this situation, that that the

[41:58] Buddha's saying,

[42:00] "Sure, you've been hit by um

[42:03] the first dart,

[42:05] but if you can just focus

[42:07] on the dart, accept that it's there and

[42:10] don't um

[42:12] generate the second mental dart, the

[42:16] overall pain impact is going to be less.

[42:19] There is going to be pain, and we all

[42:22] have to deal with that, but

[42:24] I guess there's no need to exaggerate

[42:26] it.

[42:27] And I know that someone like Ajahn Ajahn

[42:30] Brahm, he would say um

[42:33] uh

[42:34] you know, you've got you've got the

[42:35] first dart and treat it with kindness,

[42:38] so um

[42:39] treat your body with kindness, and then

[42:43] um treat maybe even the person who shot

[42:46] the dart with kindness, uh and then that

[42:49] will allow you to

[42:51] I guess not uh

[42:53] take take the second dart.

[42:57] The um

[42:58] the other part of that sutra is is

[43:01] pretty interesting where

[43:02] the Buddha's saying that um

[43:05] he calls it the or in that particular um

[43:08] interpretation, the uninstructed

[43:09] worldling,

[43:11] he's saying that the the uninstructed

[43:13] worldling or the person I guess who's

[43:14] who's un unaware of the Dhamma,

[43:17] the um reaction to overcoming painful

[43:21] experiences, both physical and

[43:23] emotional, I imagine,

[43:24] um

[43:26] is seeking pleasure.

[43:28] And

[43:30] I haven't I haven't read this sutra for

[43:32] a long time, and then I was coming

[43:33] across it um cuz I only had 10 days to

[43:36] prepare this talk. Unfortunately, Ajahn

[43:37] Brahm had an injury, and um

[43:40] I was having a year off this year, and

[43:41] then I got I got the call.

[43:43] Um

[43:44] So, I was having Yeah, I was having a

[43:45] flick through the sutras, and I and I

[43:47] had a look at this one, and it's it's

[43:49] interesting. Um

[43:51] using pleasure to overcome pain, and

[43:54] then I thought about things.

[43:56] So, on a on a society level, you know,

[43:58] maybe a lot of people don't like their

[44:00] work, or they're in some sort of unhappy

[44:03] situation, maybe. Um

[44:06] and then the overcoming things with

[44:09] maybe too much television or Netflix

[44:11] binging or, you know, this the

[44:13] stimulation or

[44:15] um

[44:16] being absolutely mad about football and

[44:18] every single game and every single

[44:20] statistic. Um

[44:22] and that's sort of almost at a at a

[44:24] harmless level and if you think about

[44:26] it, you can keep going up and you see

[44:27] people um

[44:29] or maybe know people um with

[44:32] severe drug addiction

[44:34] and I'm not a social worker or anything,

[44:36] but from what I understand um

[44:40] a majority of cases of people who have

[44:43] who are in that situation with um

[44:45] drug addictions or or similar

[44:48] um

[44:49] usually have had pretty rough childhoods

[44:51] um

[44:52] or having a very rough time in in their

[44:54] life

[44:55] and so they're turning to um

[44:58] pleasure like the Buddha's talking about

[45:00] there. They're masking the pain with

[45:03] with the pleasure. Um

[45:06] whereas

[45:07] the Buddha's saying maybe

[45:10] if you can um

[45:12] not Well, first of all, look at the

[45:14] eight worldly views and the and the

[45:16] right view and understand that that's

[45:17] always going to be there. With pain is

[45:19] always going to be with pleasure. One

[45:20] will follow the other. And then with um

[45:23] the dart

[45:25] not um

[45:28] mentally blowing up the second dart

[45:31] maybe there's a lot less um

[45:34] injury overall and then maybe you won't

[45:36] be um seeking seeking the the the

[45:39] pleasure which ultimately

[45:41] um at a high level. I mean, probably not

[45:43] watching TV or being too crazy about the

[45:45] football such a big deal. Um but, you

[45:47] know, drug use and getting hooked to

[45:50] opioids and and whatever else um

[45:53] uh would be um

[45:55] and actually I've been in that

[45:56] situation. So, I had a pretty severe

[45:58] auto accident um about three

[46:01] three

[46:03] four years ago or so and I was really

[46:05] banged up, lots of broken stuff and

[46:07] whatever. In the hospital for a while.

[46:10] Um

[46:11] I was single at the time as well. And um

[46:16] got out of the hospital and got home.

[46:18] And they cuz the injuries are so bad,

[46:20] they gave me quite a um

[46:23] uh

[46:24] dosage of opiates for the for the pain,

[46:26] which is completely medically fine cuz I

[46:28] was broken and busted. Um

[46:31] but I was at home for a while on my own

[46:33] having to like change all these

[46:35] dressings and get around the house with

[46:37] broken bones and shower myself and it

[46:39] was extremely painful. And so I was

[46:42] using the the opiates um for those

[46:45] couple of weeks, maybe a month or so

[46:47] um to get through it.

[46:49] And and I did and things started to heal

[46:51] up but it took at least two years and

[46:53] three rounds of surgery. Um

[46:56] but by the end of that first phase

[47:00] um when the when the opiates had run out

[47:03] I realized I had like a slight addiction

[47:06] to them and I went through I went

[47:07] through a slight withdrawal symptom. Um

[47:10] and it it it just lasted like a day or

[47:13] so and then I was all good.

[47:15] Um

[47:17] And I yeah and I realized how powerful

[47:19] those drugs are and how easy it is to

[47:21] get it would be

[47:23] I almost did get addicted to them

[47:24] because

[47:26] they um yeah they mask with pleasure cuz

[47:29] it's

[47:30] it masks all the pain of all the broken

[47:32] stuff so you can get around the house

[47:33] but it also masks a lot of

[47:36] I believe psychological pain like they

[47:38] slow down they slow down your mind and I

[47:40] had a lot of still like

[47:42] real vision trauma from that high speed

[47:45] accident and um yeah I think I was

[47:47] relying on those

[47:49] on those um opiates to

[47:51] to sort of be be a crutch to get

[47:54] through. Um and I can see how people

[47:56] would be in a situation like mine and

[47:59] then the medication runs out and the and

[48:01] the and the course is done

[48:03] and you're on to the next phase and

[48:05] they're like oh but life still sucks.

[48:07] Give me give me more of that.

[48:09] Um

[48:10] Anyway, so I'm not yeah I wouldn't I

[48:12] wouldn't judge anyone else in that

[48:14] situation

[48:16] having having been there.

[48:18] Um

[48:20] So I

[48:21] I guess with the

[48:23] with the two darts

[48:25] um

[48:26] that's a mindfulness thing and so the

[48:27] question is what what mindfulness

[48:30] activity can we do um

[48:32] to

[48:34] to help in that situation with the with

[48:36] the with the two darts.

[48:38] And um

[48:40] recently uh I've been

[48:43] um involved with a monk called Bhante

[48:45] Dhammadando who uh is based in Cambodia

[48:48] but he spent some time here teaching and

[48:51] running some retreats

[48:52] um but he's not he's not coming back and

[48:54] he's now

[48:55] just living in his hermitage in um in

[48:57] Cambodia.

[48:59] And um

[49:01] yeah he gave he gave a really good um

[49:05] teaching and so his

[49:07] his teaching for one of his teachings

[49:09] for for mindfulness

[49:13] to use in everyday lay life where you're

[49:16] in whatever it is an emotional

[49:18] situation with baggage or even um in

[49:21] some sort of physical

[49:23] um pain

[49:26] his technique is this.

[49:29] So your being

[49:33] then there's contact with phenomena.

[49:38] Then after the contact there's feelings

[49:41] or sensations that arise within the body

[49:44] and then um at the same time within the

[49:46] mind.

[49:49] So then once the sensations arrive

[49:53] you don't run with the sensations,

[49:55] there's examination.

[49:57] So, you just know um

[50:00] pleasure is pleasure.

[50:02] Or you just know fear is fear.

[50:04] And you And you watch

[50:07] what's occurring in the bodily

[50:08] sensations. So, let's talk about fear.

[50:10] Um

[50:11] watch the ch- watch the chest. Is your

[50:13] chest tight? Is your breathing tight?

[50:15] That's okay, because that's part of

[50:17] fear. Watch your mind. Is it's Is it

[50:21] affecting your mind state? Perhaps

[50:22] affecting your judgment. What does fear

[50:24] feel like? Like, know the fear.

[50:28] And neither

[50:30] run from the fear,

[50:32] nor, which would be unusual,

[50:35] cling to the fear. That would be in the

[50:36] pleasure state.

[50:38] Just know the fear

[50:40] and be with the fear.

[50:43] Not attaching to it, not running away

[50:45] from it.

[50:46] Let it run its course.

[50:48] So, this, of course, could be minutes or

[50:50] days or weeks. Um

[50:53] but be with it and let it run its

[50:54] course.

[50:56] And then it'll go on its own.

[50:58] And then you've dropped everything cuz

[51:00] the the fear is gone.

[51:02] And you're back to being.

[51:05] And then the cycle starts again.

[51:07] Maybe you get a minute. Maybe you get a

[51:09] week.

[51:10] So, you're you're being.

[51:13] Contact.

[51:14] Feeling.

[51:16] Examination.

[51:19] Knowing.

[51:20] Watching.

[51:22] And letting it run its course without

[51:24] interfering with it.

[51:26] And it's back to base of being.

[51:28] And I think I think this is quite a um

[51:32] powerful mindfulness technique that can

[51:34] be used in many

[51:36] different circumstances.

[51:38] Um

[51:39] it's quite different cuz I'm very

[51:41] familiar, obviously, with the Ajahn

[51:42] Brahm teachings. And just as a

[51:43] juxtaposition, I believe that Ajahn

[51:45] Brahm's teachings from all the time I

[51:47] spent with him personally as president

[51:49] and retreats.

[51:51] Um

[51:52] these two monks are ending up in the

[51:53] same place, but through slightly

[51:55] different doors. And I believe that

[51:57] Ajahn Brahm,

[51:58] um he would he would come through it

[52:00] from um

[52:02] the confluence technique. So, there

[52:04] would be

[52:06] um the event. There would be a

[52:08] calmfulness um

[52:11] uh

[52:11] philosophy around it. A letting go of

[52:14] it.

[52:16] And then being in a place where you're

[52:17] not holding the two suitcases, the past

[52:20] and um

[52:22] the future.

[52:23] Whereas Dhammamonda's technique seems to

[52:26] be

[52:26] um

[52:27] a a almost like a technical uh process.

[52:32] And um

[52:34] yeah, I've had I've had some success

[52:36] with it. So, I'll

[52:38] I'll just give two examples. Um the

[52:40] first one was

[52:42] on I went to the retreat last year in

[52:43] Cambodia.

[52:45] Um

[52:46] where I'd been to one of his retreats

[52:48] yeah, one before in Perth.

[52:50] Um and he was teaching lots of stuff,

[52:51] but it wasn't sinking in. And I I got to

[52:53] Cambodia and then this became more

[52:57] uh more apparent. And I

[53:00] I turned up in Cambodia and going,

[53:01] "Great. I've I've done a few retreats at

[53:04] um

[53:05] Jhana Grove with various monks. And I

[53:07] hadn't really had any um

[53:10] super breakthroughs in meditation like

[53:12] you read about in Ajahn Brahm's book,

[53:14] Mindfulness Bliss and Beyond. 20 years,

[53:17] surely I'm ready for it. I'm going to

[53:19] the jungle and this Dhammamonda, he's a

[53:21] real serious practitioner. So, this is

[53:23] how I'm going to I'm going to break

[53:24] through.

[53:25] And um my meditation's been pretty good

[53:27] for a lay person, but not like what's

[53:29] written about like Brahm writes about.

[53:31] Which maybe slightly unrealistic to uh

[53:35] hope for um in 20 years unless you're a

[53:37] monk going for it in the in the

[53:39] monastery.

[53:40] So, I I turn up to um

[53:43] Cambodia and get and get into the

[53:45] retreat. I'm in a pretty good state of

[53:46] mind. Um

[53:48] and the retreat's starting and the

[53:49] meditation's actually pretty good as

[53:51] well, better than at home, and it's I'm

[53:53] I'm happy. And then, boom, up comes all

[53:55] this stuff. Up comes the second arrow in

[53:57] my mind which I thought I dealt with

[54:01] with particular incident that had been

[54:03] running um over over that year and it

[54:06] concluded about 3 months before.

[54:09] I thought I was all done and then and

[54:10] I'm in the meditation hall and it's

[54:12] there. There's like the injustice over

[54:15] the revenge fantasies on that evil

[54:17] person. Uh what can we do? Want to get

[54:20] back on and do this and that and the

[54:21] other. And I I obviously had not dropped

[54:23] it and there was the second arrow. I was

[54:26] there in Cambodia in the perfect

[54:28] opportunity to really get some good

[54:30] meditation. Um

[54:32] and my mind was just wrecking it cuz I

[54:35] was holding this second arrow from the

[54:37] events earlier during during the year.

[54:40] Um

[54:42] and then

[54:45] using um

[54:47] Bhante's technique, I I was trying to

[54:50] wrestle with that and it took it took

[54:51] quite a while.

[54:53] And I did get some good meditations, but

[54:55] nothing to write home about. And I got

[54:57] on the plane and went, "Oh, damn it.

[54:59] Like, I did I went there in the forest

[55:01] and I

[55:02] you know, didn't meet my expectations."

[55:05] Um but then I came back to Perth and

[55:06] meditation was pretty good. Um and I

[55:09] realized that

[55:10] the value of that meditation retreat and

[55:13] I think it's good uh I don't know about

[55:15] other laypeople, but it's good to

[55:17] realize that you can read about these

[55:19] things in the book and aim for the

[55:20] lofty, but sometimes as a layperson,

[55:22] there's so much coming at you,

[55:24] you might be holding all these second

[55:25] arrows and you don't even realize it and

[55:27] you get into the meditation hall and

[55:28] actually you've got to clear all that

[55:30] stuff before

[55:32] um

[55:33] maybe you move to to some meditation

[55:36] goal that you're that you're hoping for

[55:38] Um and yeah, Bhante's Bhante's technique

[55:42] there

[55:43] it was hard work and slow going but by

[55:45] the end of it I had I had cleared that

[55:47] and I was good. I'm not going to say

[55:51] other traumatic things might come and

[55:53] and I'll be perfect at it. I'll be

[55:55] better at dropping it I think using that

[55:57] technique and probably quicker at it

[55:59] than before

[56:00] um

[56:01] and yeah, it was quite

[56:03] it was

[56:04] that's when it sort of opened my eyes to

[56:07] that technique and then the second

[56:09] example

[56:10] I was um

[56:12] on honeymoon this year in in Japan

[56:15] and we were staying at this hotel

[56:19] pretty sure it was in it was in Tokyo um

[56:23] and in Japan they have um ice machines

[56:26] on like every second or third floor it's

[56:28] free and you can just

[56:30] go grab a bucket of ice and we were

[56:32] having like orange juice and apple juice

[56:33] in the room in the morning and that and

[56:35] I thought oh I'll go get some ice we

[56:37] just checked into the hotel and at the

[56:39] other hotels I've been taking the stairs

[56:40] up and down for a bit of exercise to get

[56:43] ice and go to laundry and that so I did

[56:45] the same thing

[56:46] walked out into into the fire exit and

[56:48] then bang the door slammed and I'm like

[56:51] oh okay big steel door I'm in the fire

[56:53] escape it's like reinforced concrete

[56:56] there's no air it's fireproof airtight

[56:59] for a proper emergency in downtown Tokyo

[57:03] I'm like oh okay so anyway I walked up a

[57:05] couple of flights so we're like 13

[57:06] stories up or whatever

[57:08] feel the door it's locked I'm stuck in

[57:11] this tomb it's boiling hot and humid so

[57:14] there's no air conditioning in there and

[57:16] it's the middle of summer in Tokyo and

[57:18] I'm starting to sweat profusely and I

[57:20] can't breathe properly

[57:22] and I've been through

[57:24] a couple of drowning incidents in my

[57:25] life one in the Swan River and one in

[57:27] Rottnest like near

[57:29] and I just started to get that feeling

[57:31] like

[57:32] and then realized oh my god, I'm 13

[57:34] stories up and no one knows I'm in here

[57:36] and the air is unbearable."

[57:39] And it was confusing cuz everything

[57:41] looked the same. Like the Japanese are

[57:42] so perfect at their constructions. Every

[57:45] single step just looked the same, every

[57:46] rail. And I looked down to the bottom

[57:49] floor

[57:50] and it just went down and down and down

[57:52] and down

[57:52] >> [laughter]

[57:53] >> and I couldn't breathe.

[57:54] And I'm not an anxious person.

[57:57] But I started to get really anxious. I

[57:59] thought, "I'm trapped in this place.

[58:02] What if I pass out? No one's going to

[58:03] know I'm here. My wife doesn't know. She

[58:04] thinks I caught the lift. I don't turn

[58:06] up for an hour, she thinks I'm downtown

[58:08] Tokyo at the shop. Haven't got a phone.

[58:11] Walls are super thick, big steel doors.

[58:12] No one's going to hear me. Uh-oh."

[58:15] And I started to get really dizzy and

[58:18] started panicking. I could feel it. And

[58:20] um

[58:21] I just went, "Stop.

[58:23] Stop.

[58:24] What's the feeling? What are you worried

[58:26] about?"

[58:27] And oh, my chest is tight. I'm breathing

[58:30] heavily.

[58:31] Uh

[58:32] I've got fear about falling over down

[58:34] all those flights of stairs cuz they're

[58:36] so tight and small.

[58:39] Okay. Well, there's nothing you can do

[58:40] about it but get down there. So,

[58:44] just wait a second, Drew. Just wait.

[58:46] Just wait. And so, I just waited 3 4

[58:48] minutes

[58:49] and the anxiety went down and down and

[58:51] down. It didn't go completely but it

[58:53] went down enough that I said, "Right.

[58:55] You can do this, Drew.

[58:57] That's dropped down. You've got the

[58:58] fitness. Just concentrate and slowly

[59:01] walk down the stairs until you get to

[59:03] the bottom." Anyway, I did. Got there

[59:05] and then busted out through the door and

[59:07] then the girls in the lobby were like,

[59:08] "Oh, these Japanese girls, what's that

[59:09] quiet dude coming out of there?" Um

[59:12] but it it it worked as a as a

[59:15] mindfulness technique um not to spiral

[59:18] out

[59:19] uh mentally in a in a physical

[59:22] situation. Um

[59:25] I'm I'm sure if it was the

[59:26] claustrophobia or what it was that set

[59:28] me off. I haven't I haven't been like

[59:30] that before.

[59:32] Um

[59:33] but the mindfulness worked. And if I

[59:34] think about, you know, 20 years ago when

[59:36] I didn't know these sort of things, that

[59:38] situation could have ended up much

[59:39] worse. Like I could have

[59:41] just pushed through it all anxious and

[59:43] sweating and then tripped and then broke

[59:44] my arm again. And then um

[59:47] you know, no one no one knows that

[59:49] you're no one knows that you're there.

[59:51] Um

[59:53] So,

[59:55] I guess I just I just wrap up that um

[59:58] you know, lay life is um

[1:00:01] challenging. There's certainly um

[1:00:04] lots of joy available through through

[1:00:06] family experiences um

[1:00:08] and

[1:00:10] uh hobbies and and the Dharma, but

[1:00:12] there's also always going to be um the

[1:00:14] challenges. And I haven't seen uh a time

[1:00:18] or anyone I know that is not dealing

[1:00:20] with these challenges.

[1:00:21] However,

[1:00:23] using the using the Dharma with um right

[1:00:25] view and uh mindfulness in particular in

[1:00:29] lay life in in daily situations um

[1:00:34] I believe can be of of great help. And

[1:00:38] it's a subtle thing the Dharma. Um

[1:00:40] you can you can read the sutra or get an

[1:00:43] instruction from a monk that's quite

[1:00:45] profound.

[1:00:47] And

[1:00:48] sometimes it just doesn't sink in for

[1:00:50] ages and and you sort of just have to

[1:00:53] keep at it.

[1:00:54] Um

[1:00:56] but the way I see it is that if you if

[1:00:58] you don't do it, um

[1:01:01] what else is there? Like what what other

[1:01:02] tools are you going to use

[1:01:05] uh if you're not using the Dharma? You

[1:01:08] probably get away with it in earlier

[1:01:10] life when there's less responsibility

[1:01:12] um and pressure, but as you go on and on

[1:01:16] as a layperson having those uh Dharma

[1:01:19] tools are quite

[1:01:20] um is quite useful

[1:01:23] and um

[1:01:25] yeah, I'm um

[1:01:27] grateful for that, but it's a it's a

[1:01:29] gradual and and a long path

[1:01:33] um

[1:01:34] punctuated by sometimes long periods of

[1:01:37] peace and then sometimes long periods of

[1:01:40] turmoil and I would say that with my

[1:01:42] practice

[1:01:43] um

[1:01:44] every time I've gone into a turmoil

[1:01:46] phase

[1:01:47] uh

[1:01:49] life has been more unpleasant, but the

[1:01:51] practice has gotten better for me

[1:01:53] because you're sort of forced

[1:01:56] um

[1:01:57] to say, "Well, hang on a second.

[1:01:59] All these other things aren't uh

[1:02:01] working, you know, what am I going to

[1:02:02] do? What? Go see a psychologist or

[1:02:05] um

[1:02:06] take drugs or this or that? Like none of

[1:02:08] those things are really long-term

[1:02:10] solutions unless you've got lots of

[1:02:12] money to sit around with a psych um and

[1:02:15] sometimes, you know, in life problems

[1:02:17] aren't serious enough to go around

[1:02:18] seeing a psychologist or or whatever

[1:02:20] else,

[1:02:21] um but certainly if we um apply the

[1:02:24] Dharma as best we can and use difficult

[1:02:27] situations to

[1:02:29] enable the Dharma and apply it and gain

[1:02:31] confidence um in the techniques that are

[1:02:34] sitting in the sutras and taught by the

[1:02:36] monks that have been going for 2 and 1/2

[1:02:37] thousand years, there's uh there's

[1:02:40] definitely great value in that.

[1:02:43] So, I'll probably uh wrap up the talk

[1:02:45] there and we can have a um a longer Q&A

[1:02:48] session.

[1:02:49] I will admit that um

[1:02:51] of the 11 talks I've done now, tonight's

[1:02:53] talk was probably a little bit heavier

[1:02:55] than usual. However, um

[1:02:58] I wasn't planning on doing a talk

[1:02:59] tonight and this is the material I'm I'm

[1:03:02] working with and um my last couple of

[1:03:04] talks have been quite light, so I

[1:03:05] thought I'd I'd try something different.

[1:03:08] So, we'll open the floor to um to Q&A

[1:03:12] and um

[1:03:13] I would just say that

[1:03:15] you You ask um

[1:03:17] obviously questions about about tonight.

[1:03:19] But if you're if you're new here or

[1:03:21] you've got uh questions

[1:03:23] uh that you might not have asked in the

[1:03:25] bigger hall audiences before with the

[1:03:27] monks, please feel free on any subject

[1:03:29] in Buddhism

[1:03:31] um

[1:03:31] to to ask them tonight. Uh I know

[1:03:34] there's a new guy here and um I was

[1:03:35] talking to him before out the front and

[1:03:37] I definitely uh encourage him to ask a

[1:03:40] to ask a new question. And um

[1:03:44] if you feel a bit embarrassed about

[1:03:45] asking a a question or a bit unsure,

[1:03:49] why not why not use the mindfulness

[1:03:51] technique? Why not

[1:03:53] sit there,

[1:03:54] contact all.

[1:03:56] I want to ask a question, but uh

[1:03:58] I might be a bit embarrassed. Examine

[1:04:01] the embarrassment.

[1:04:03] Okay, what does it feel like? Where's it

[1:04:04] sitting? What would it mean if I was

[1:04:06] embarrassed?

[1:04:08] And just sit with it for a bit, neither

[1:04:09] clinging to it nor trying to suppress

[1:04:11] it.

[1:04:13] And then maybe that embarrassment will

[1:04:15] clear and you'll feel um free to ask a

[1:04:17] question.

[1:04:19] Thank you.

[1:04:23] Sadhu. Sadhu.

[1:04:27] Thanks, everyone.

[1:04:33] Great.

[1:04:34] Very brave.

[1:04:37] First question's always the hardest.

[1:04:39] >> [snorts]

[1:04:40] >> Uh th- thanks, Drew.

[1:04:42] Uh yeah, I just wanted to say thank you

[1:04:43] for your talk. It was um

[1:04:46] you know, a great great to hear from a

[1:04:47] fellow lay practitioner um

[1:04:50] um and um that just felt very validating

[1:04:54] that it's not all, you know, bliss and

[1:04:56] and met you know, and um

[1:04:59] all smooth sailing. So, I appreciated

[1:05:02] the the honesty and the realness and um

[1:05:04] I

[1:05:05] I imagine it took a bit of effort to to

[1:05:07] get up there and and, you know, to get

[1:05:09] through your own stuff. So, I you for

[1:05:11] that you know, even though it does does

[1:05:13] and it was a good talk that even if it

[1:05:15] was a bad talk it wouldn't have

[1:05:16] mattered.

[1:05:18] But, it was a good talk and

[1:05:21] yeah, I just wonder um

[1:05:23] how how you go being a a Buddhist

[1:05:26] amongst non-Buddhists out in the world?

[1:05:30] >> Um

[1:05:32] yeah, I just try and blend in.

[1:05:34] Not through misbehavior, but

[1:05:37] I I certainly don't advertise it. So, I

[1:05:40] I run a

[1:05:42] a mining technology company that's

[1:05:44] pretty well known around Perth in in

[1:05:46] drilling.

[1:05:47] Um

[1:05:48] and

[1:05:49] gee, like over 17 years I've

[1:05:52] never had a Buddhist conversation with

[1:05:54] any of my customers or suppliers or or

[1:05:57] anything like that. Um

[1:05:59] People at work,

[1:06:00] they obviously know what what I'm like

[1:06:02] cuz I'm working with them all the time.

[1:06:05] But, yeah, I just I just don't really

[1:06:07] advertise it and um

[1:06:11] you know, I

[1:06:13] I I come to accept that sometimes

[1:06:16] actually a lot of the time

[1:06:17] people don't have the same moral

[1:06:18] compass.

[1:06:20] Um

[1:06:21] and

[1:06:22] yeah, sometimes I've been ripped off and

[1:06:25] put in all sorts of situations where

[1:06:28] as a Buddhist I haven't been able to

[1:06:32] I wouldn't say fight back, but you know,

[1:06:34] revenge or inflict harm back or whatever

[1:06:37] and I don't know, I guess my karma's

[1:06:39] been okay and um

[1:06:42] I just I just drop it a lot of the time

[1:06:44] and go, you know what? Like

[1:06:47] So, if it's really bad, then the law is

[1:06:49] the law, right? And let the law take

[1:06:51] care of the process or the courts or

[1:06:54] whatever's going on.

[1:06:56] Um

[1:06:57] Someone steals your car or whatever, let

[1:06:58] the insurance take care of it. I guess

[1:07:00] that's how I do it. Um I used to be a

[1:07:03] lot fiery when I was

[1:07:05] starting out in my 30s like all young

[1:07:07] guys are. And now, I don't know if it's

[1:07:09] the Dharma or just getting older, um but

[1:07:12] I

[1:07:13] uh

[1:07:14] I just don't worry about it so much

[1:07:15] anymore. And And to be honest, I see

[1:07:17] some people misbehaving,

[1:07:19] you know, stealing and lying for a few

[1:07:21] dollars more, whether it's in business

[1:07:23] or whatever, out on the street. And I

[1:07:25] And I just think, "What are you doing?

[1:07:27] Like, really, at your age? Do you Do you

[1:07:30] really have to do that? You're looking

[1:07:31] like a fool. You know, what karma What

[1:07:34] are you setting yourself up for?" Um

[1:07:37] And I don't believe in karma as like the

[1:07:39] ultimate

[1:07:40] equalizer instantly that solves things.

[1:07:43] Um but I Yeah, I just have that view

[1:07:46] that, especially as people get older,

[1:07:48] especially once you get out of your 20s

[1:07:49] and that, I made a lot of mistakes in my

[1:07:51] 20s. You can make mistakes in your 20s.

[1:07:53] But as you get older and maybe you have

[1:07:55] kids and you're supposed to be a role

[1:07:56] model and that, like, don't be engaging

[1:07:58] in that behavior.

[1:08:00] It's how I do it, you know? Like

[1:08:02] Yeah. Sometimes just take the hits. Just

[1:08:05] do here. Just do my health.

[1:08:07] It's working.

[1:08:09] Yeah.

[1:08:10] Thanks.

[1:08:13] Hey, what? We'll just do three sadhus

[1:08:14] and then join me in three bows to the

[1:08:16] Buddha. I'm not going to attempt the

[1:08:17] chanting and then we'll And then we'll

[1:08:19] call it quits and maybe see you next

[1:08:20] year.

[1:08:22] All righty. Sadhu.

[1:08:25] Sadhu.

[1:08:27] Sadhu.

[1:08:28] All righty.

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The eight worldly conditions are a teaching from the Buddha about the pulls that move ordinary people: gain and loss, pleasure and pain, and related pairs. In Drew Bellamy's talk, the discourse is used to explain right view, because it describes how the world tends to operate. Bellamy reads two highlighted passages from it and focuses on how the untrained mind clings to gain and tries to dodge pain.
Drew Bellamy suggests starting with the breath and the body, letting thoughts slow down by not following them, and returning to the breath when the mind wanders. He emphasises that it does not need to be perfectly still, only progressively calmer. In a crisis, he describes talking himself through panic with a direct, encouraging line rather than being swept along.
In Bellamy's talk, the image of being struck by a dart stands for the unavoidable first wound of life, while the second strike is the worry, resistance and replaying that the mind adds on top. The ordinary, untrained person tends to add that second layer. Bellamy presents working with the first strike without compounding it as a practical goal of right view and mindfulness.
Bellamy is cautious about the claim. He says he is not sure unshakable peace is available unless someone is fully enlightened, but that lay practitioners can make real inroads toward it. His emphasis is on coping better and not exacerbating difficulties, rather than on arriving at a permanent state.
Right view, in Drew Bellamy's framing, means setting out a clear understanding of how the world works and why it operates as it does. He treats it as the first step, because when it is in place a person is less stressed when things go wrong and less likely to feel that an injustice has been done when the world does not match their wishes.
Bellamy argues that the simple assumptions of his thirties, such as that marriage, children, a home and a business would make life easier, did not hold up. Practice gave him coping tools that a purely science-and-engineering approach would not have provided. He describes the Dharma as a way to cope better and avoid making situations worse, rather than as a route to an easier life.

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