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[15:12] >> Well, greetings everyone and welcome to
[15:14] a truly special online event today. It's
[15:16] called the psychop's path between
[15:18] worlds. How active dreaming can help you
[15:20] communicate with the departed, explore
[15:22] the afterlife and support healing across
[15:24] the veil. My name is Stephen D. I'm the
[15:27] founder and CEO of the Shift Network.
[15:28] And one of the things this that really
[15:30] thrills me most is to explore new
[15:32] frontiers. And the person that we're
[15:34] going to get to learn from today is one
[15:37] of the best explorers I know. He's
[15:39] taught close to 50 courses now for
[15:41] Shift. He's been at the forefront of
[15:43] active dreaming, conscious dreaming,
[15:45] creative
[15:47] approaches to dreaming, and he's a
[15:49] best-selling author. He's really quite
[15:51] an extraordinary explorer of the human
[15:53] psyche and soul and all the higher
[15:56] potentials that we have. And we're going
[15:59] to dive into learning about the psychop
[16:01] today. And if you get sparked by today,
[16:04] we're going to have a brand new 18
[16:06] module training with Robert on this.
[16:09] It's really kind of a capstone to a
[16:10] whole lot of other work that he's been
[16:12] offering over the years and I think
[16:14] you're going to be really delighted to
[16:15] hear about it and probably participate.
[16:17] So with that said, Robert, thanks so
[16:19] much for coming back for uh round number
[16:21] 49 or 50 or wherever we are.
[16:23] >> Great to be with you again, Stephen. As
[16:25] always, to be dreaming with you and the
[16:27] Shift Network. Thank you for inviting me
[16:29] back.
[16:30] >> Yes. Well, I often, as you know, start
[16:32] these with a little bit of exploration
[16:34] of the p of the faculty's backstory and
[16:37] but I think with you, we've heard some
[16:38] of the broad contours, but maybe it
[16:40] would be interesting to hear a little
[16:42] bit about your relationship with this
[16:44] archetype of the psychop. How did you
[16:46] develop a sense of connection to that
[16:49] and that role over your many decades now
[16:52] of dreamwork? When you ask that
[16:54] question, Stephen, my mind goes back to
[16:56] a night in my early teens. I think I was
[16:59] 14 years old, and I had a visitation.
[17:02] There's a sense of radiance of presence
[17:04] in the room. I'm in that drifty liinal
[17:06] space between sleep and awake where
[17:08] interesting things can happen. And
[17:10] there's a beautiful young man. That's
[17:12] the way he looks. I mean, he's not
[17:13] solid. He's a radiant being. He's come
[17:15] from the eastern edge of the
[17:17] Mediterranean.
[17:18] And he talks to me in English but using
[17:21] difficult words typically Greek words. I
[17:23] know he's helenic. And he says to me,
[17:26] Robert, the things that matter, the
[17:29] knowledge that matters will come to you
[17:31] through anomnesis. Now, that's a big
[17:33] word. I mean, I'm a kid. It's in the
[17:35] dictionary. It's used in psychology, but
[17:37] I didn't know it. I had to look it up.
[17:39] It means remembering. And I learned
[17:41] later that in the school of Plato and
[17:43] his successors, it means soul
[17:46] remembering. remembering what the soul
[17:48] knows, remembering what you you knew on
[17:50] the level of mind or spirit before you
[17:52] came here and making a connection with
[17:54] the soul's purpose. So this is an
[17:57] example of a psychop. He came to me in
[17:59] the role of a psychop which means a
[18:01] guide of souls. He came to help me
[18:04] remember in that very unformed stage of
[18:07] my life what it's all about. It's about
[18:09] connecting to a life story beyond one
[18:12] life. It's about connecting to
[18:13] consciousness beyond the physical world.
[18:16] So I think probably he may not have used
[18:18] the word psychop. I don't think he did.
[18:20] But I'm already getting rather Greek in
[18:22] my thinking because of this visitation
[18:24] and the talk of anonyis or soul
[18:27] remembering. For me the psychop is the
[18:29] guide and friend of souls. The word is
[18:32] used especially in relation to one who
[18:34] can guide people in relation to death,
[18:36] dying, and the afterlife. But it doesn't
[18:38] just apply to that. It really applies to
[18:41] helping people find their soul's path in
[18:43] any world they are on. And it
[18:45] specifically applies to helping people
[18:48] deal with what goes on before and after
[18:51] death and I would say before and after
[18:54] conception.
[18:55] >> And so why is working with the dream
[18:57] state such an important training for
[19:00] becoming a psychop?
[19:02] >> Well, because in dreams we step outside
[19:04] the ordinary world. We step beyond the
[19:06] physical. We actually understand when we
[19:09] wake up to what's going on in dreaming
[19:11] that in dreaming we may travel beyond
[19:13] the body and the brain. So dreaming
[19:15] might be our personal personal evidence
[19:17] maybe our first personal evidence and
[19:20] understanding that soul or consciousness
[19:23] is not confined to the body and will
[19:25] therefore survive physical death. That's
[19:27] a very important thing to know for
[19:29] yourself to recognize for yourself that
[19:31] there is life beyond the body and to
[19:33] know to realize that you can establish
[19:35] that with real firsthand evidence
[19:38] through experience. And the easiest
[19:40] experience, the easiest way to enter the
[19:42] kind of altered state of consciousness
[19:44] that makes this available to you is
[19:46] through dreaming. And when I say
[19:48] dreaming, I do mean sleep dreams. Sleep
[19:50] dreams. Sleep dreams. We might wake up
[19:52] to a deeper reality. But I also mean
[19:55] meditation. A certain kind of
[19:56] meditation. I also mean hypnogogia. That
[20:00] state between sleep and awake when
[20:01] you're not alltogether asleep, not
[20:03] alltogether awake and interesting
[20:05] encounters take place and interesting
[20:07] events become possible. And I'm also
[20:09] talking of course about shamanic
[20:11] journeying for which I find the most
[20:13] useful portals are your personal dreams
[20:16] and images. They show you what it's
[20:18] timely to explore and you can use a
[20:20] personal dream or image to make a
[20:22] shamanic journey with or without
[20:24] drumming and and other acoustic effects
[20:26] uh with great value and great results.
[20:30] I'd love to hear a little bit about the
[20:31] role of the the psychop role for
[20:34] traditional medicine men, shaman uh
[20:37] shamans, people who are kind of working
[20:38] as healers in the tribes and sort of how
[20:41] you know a little bit about the history
[20:42] of the role too.
[20:44] >> This is I mean this is the core
[20:46] practice. This is the central practice
[20:48] of of the shaman by whatever name the
[20:50] shaman is called in different cultures.
[20:52] The shaman is a a a practitioner of
[20:56] soul, a guide to souls on both sides of
[20:58] death and is qualified if it's a true
[21:01] shaman by the fact that he or she has
[21:03] gone beyond death themselves and
[21:05] returned. So I would say that of all the
[21:07] definitions of a shaman that are
[21:09] discussed, one of the most important is
[21:11] that this is a person who has gone
[21:13] beyond death and come back in the
[21:15] Tibetan language there's a word for such
[21:17] a person dug. It means one who died and
[21:20] came back. Uh so
[21:23] and the understanding in cultures that
[21:25] value the role of the kind of caregiver
[21:27] and kurandero that we call a shaman. Uh
[21:30] the understanding is that soul is
[21:32] precious and soul is vulnerable. Yes,
[21:35] there's an immortal spirit that that you
[21:37] cannot lose. You can lose your
[21:38] connection with it but you can't lose
[21:40] that. But soul in a more general sense
[21:42] might apply to vital energy, elements of
[21:45] identity, elements of personality that
[21:48] might wander beyond you and might
[21:50] actually leave you in the view of
[21:52] shamanic traditions. If you're going
[21:54] through a hard time, you're suffering
[21:55] grief, you're suffering trauma, part of
[21:57] you goes away, the world seems too cold
[21:59] and cruel, part of you won't stay
[22:01] around. This is called soul loss. And
[22:03] our friend Sandra Ingamman of course has
[22:05] written the book, literally written the
[22:07] book on this and guided a lot of people
[22:09] to learn how to look for lost soul and
[22:11] bring it back. It can happen in very
[22:14] serious ways. Somebody died. You're in
[22:16] grief. Part of you travels with them
[22:18] into their land of the dead and lives
[22:20] with them there and perhaps won't come
[22:23] back unless somebody intervenes to help
[22:25] you to help you come back. The number
[22:27] one symptom of serious soul loss,
[22:29] interestingly, is you've lost your
[22:31] dreams. You've lost your connection with
[22:33] your dreams. This is regarded as a
[22:35] terrible thing in many indigenous
[22:37] traditions because if you're not in
[22:39] touch with your dreams, you're not in
[22:40] touch with the easiest way of talking to
[22:43] the spirit world, receiving guidance
[22:45] from spirit helpers and a greater self.
[22:48] It's probably because you've lost the
[22:50] part of you that is the dreamer, that
[22:51] beautiful bright person who went away
[22:54] when the world seemed so rough and you
[22:56] need to get it back. And here is where
[22:58] the shaman, the shamanic dreamer, a
[23:00] psychop comes in. They could help you
[23:02] bring it back. They can do it for you as
[23:04] a practitioner. But what I like to do is
[23:06] to help people become the shamans of
[23:08] their own souls and the healers of their
[23:10] own lives by learning supported by an
[23:13] active community that cares and is
[23:16] compassionate. Learning simple
[23:18] techniques that they can do for
[23:19] themselves to bring back those parts of
[23:22] energy and identity that need to be back
[23:24] in the body. And I've seen soul
[23:27] recovery, we can call it soul retrieval
[23:28] if you like, accomplished again and
[23:31] again and again through dream
[23:33] operations. For example, by learning to
[23:35] go back in a dreamlike way to a scene in
[23:38] your earlier life and support the
[23:40] younger self who found the world so cold
[23:42] and cruel. Be mentor to her in her own
[23:45] life and embrace her and in that process
[23:48] bring together parts of you that belong
[23:50] together in your body today.
[23:53] [clears throat]
[23:53] >> That's truly fascinating. So when you
[23:54] when you really activate this archetypal
[23:56] potential, the psychop potential, then
[23:58] you can do that for the different
[24:01] disperate parts of yourself to
[24:02] reassemble them and help kind of
[24:04] [snorts] bring them in. That's really
[24:05] fascinating.
[24:06] >> This is what it's all about. I mean, Mr.
[24:08] Jung had wonderful words for these
[24:09] things. He talked about individuation
[24:11] and so on. Jung, by the way, was a was a
[24:13] shaman of the West. You want to know
[24:14] what a real western shaman is like? A
[24:16] real western shaman is a scholar, a
[24:18] scientist at the top of their game and
[24:20] constantly inventing new models for the
[24:22] practice and checking that they work. So
[24:25] to to bring ourselves together is the
[24:27] heart of healing, isn't it? It is it is
[24:29] the heart of wholeness. So this is part
[24:31] of the role of the psychop too. If we're
[24:33] talking about a guide of souls, one of
[24:35] the things a guide of souls should be
[24:36] able to do for themselves and also for
[24:38] others is to help identify and bring
[24:41] together the fractured uh aspects of the
[24:44] self and bring their gifts and their
[24:46] power into the body for life as well as
[24:49] to be prepared to face life beyond life.
[24:52] H you had mentioned the Tibetan
[24:53] tradition uh earlier and made me think a
[24:56] little bit about how is psychop training
[24:59] and and being able to sort of actualize
[25:01] this. How is that helpful in the next
[25:04] incarnational cycle? Are you sort of
[25:05] like building a capacity that helps
[25:07] endure beyond one lifetime?
[25:10] Well, you know what we're going to
[25:12] encounter in terms of the cycles, the
[25:14] wheels of life, reincarnation, all of
[25:16] that is going to be greatly conditioned
[25:18] by our belief system, by the culture we
[25:21] belong to or give our commitment to and
[25:23] andor by our personal experience. If
[25:25] you're a Tibetan Buddhist, you are
[25:27] trained to expect a certain progression,
[25:29] a certain sequence of bardos, and
[25:31] there'll be different tests and there
[25:33] things you're supposed to recognize. If
[25:34] you miss that flash of light, then
[25:36] you're in a different kind of bo and you
[25:38] have to deal with benign and wrothful
[25:40] deities and and so it goes on. If you're
[25:42] a Tibetan Buddhist and I respect the
[25:44] tradition greatly and by the way,
[25:46] dreaming is hugely important and
[25:48] visualization are hugely important in
[25:50] Tibetan Buddhist tradition. So is
[25:52] operating in the liinal state between
[25:54] sleep and awake. So is seeking
[25:56] continuity of consciousness in which you
[25:58] are aware and mindful whatever state of
[26:01] reality you're in. All of this is great,
[26:03] but what I want to help people do is
[26:06] gain direct experience of these things.
[26:08] I mean, my mantra for all of this is a
[26:11] western mantra comes from the French
[26:13] essayist Monten who said, "We do not
[26:16] know where death is waiting for us. So,
[26:19] let us be ready to meet death
[26:21] everywhere."
[26:22] >> And what would that mean? It means you
[26:24] find the the way of direct experience of
[26:27] these things. And this is where dreaming
[26:28] is central. I'll say it again. In
[26:31] interesting dreams, you may find that
[26:33] you are traveling beyond the body. You
[26:35] may find that you are visiting worlds,
[26:38] whether dead or alive. And in that way,
[26:40] not only getting together with
[26:41] interesting people, whether they're
[26:43] departed loved ones or wise ancestors,
[26:46] but preparing perhaps for the lifestyle
[26:49] that you will have beyond this world and
[26:51] beginning to learn about transitions,
[26:53] places of re-education, places of life
[26:56] review, maybe even learning through
[26:58] direct experience, how you might
[27:00] progress beyond this world to a point of
[27:02] decision. Informed choice based on the
[27:04] understanding of many life experiences.
[27:07] informed choice about what you do next.
[27:09] But these things are too important, I
[27:12] say again and again, to receive them
[27:14] secondhand as handme-down thoughts or
[27:17] doctrines. We need direct experience.
[27:20] That's what I'm here to facilitate. I'm
[27:23] here to help you understand that you can
[27:25] learn for yourself about the conditions
[27:27] that you might experience beyond death.
[27:29] And in doing that, you bring resources,
[27:32] courage, clarity, and maybe even a sense
[27:34] of divine comedy to the ups and downs of
[27:37] everyday life.
[27:40] >> So, how do you know when when that
[27:42] you're actually being visited in a dream
[27:44] state by departed loved ones, like real
[27:46] departed loved ones who are are offering
[27:48] this bridging versus just something more
[27:50] symbolic? Well,
[27:52] >> you're probably knowing the truth of
[27:53] your feelings. I mean we we have to
[27:56] accept uh deep deep deep in our
[27:59] emotions. We are probably going to know
[28:01] there are things ways we can test and
[28:03] verify. We might be given information we
[28:05] don't otherwise know about. Example, my
[28:08] dad turned up after his death in
[28:10] Australia a long time ago now and he
[28:12] said he was very agitated. He said tell
[28:14] mom tell my mother who'd never been
[28:16] interested in talking about dreams to
[28:18] contact Rodriguez she needs to sort out
[28:20] her living situation. I didn't have a
[28:23] clue who Rodriguez was. I called my
[28:26] mother in Surfers Paradise, Australia. I
[28:28] was in the United States and I said,
[28:30] "Mom, dad came through in a dream."
[28:33] Okay. Yeah. She was willing to listen.
[28:35] He said, "Contact Rodriguez. Do you
[28:37] know?" "Oh, Ron Rodriguez." "Well, who's
[28:38] he?" "Oh, he deals with real estate.
[28:40] He's a realtor."
[28:42] and she contacts him and Ron Rodriguez
[28:45] got her moved into the right sheltered
[28:47] protected living environment for the
[28:49] last last years of her life where she
[28:51] was very happy. I have no doubt that was
[28:54] my father. Now you could say, well, it's
[28:56] a guide of a different kind putting on
[28:58] the mask of your father. Yes, you could
[29:00] say that. But there were many, many,
[29:02] many other dreams involving my father.
[29:04] He became a real guide to me and to
[29:07] other family members, but especially
[29:08] through me to family members because
[29:11] that's how it often operates in a
[29:13] family. There might be only one or two
[29:15] people who are able to receive and
[29:16] perceive. So they become the channels,
[29:19] the mediums, the interlocutors for the
[29:21] whole family. So I've given you two
[29:23] reasons for two two ways of achieving
[29:26] discernment about whether you're dealing
[29:28] with the departed or simply a symbolic
[29:30] figure, a fantasy, an aspect of
[29:32] yourself. One is the truth of your
[29:34] feelings. Never underrate that. And the
[29:36] second is your ability to check it out
[29:38] to test and verify the information that
[29:41] is coming through.
[29:44] >> That's a great answer. Thank you. I want
[29:46] to ask a little bit more about this
[29:47] function where I know I've I've talked
[29:50] with people who have started to develop
[29:52] this psychop kind of facility um which
[29:55] you're going to be training people more
[29:56] how to do and that they're actually able
[29:58] to help souls that are kind of confused
[30:00] post death. maybe share a little bit
[30:02] about that role to kind of help them
[30:04] navigate the afterlife and why that's
[30:06] really valuable.
[30:07] >> There is a huge need for people who are
[30:10] alive today and are willing to talk to
[30:12] the dead who are confused about their
[30:15] situation. There are a lot of people in
[30:16] Western societies who don't actually
[30:19] know that they're dead in the sense that
[30:21] they don't have physical bodies anymore.
[30:23] From a certain point of view, they are
[30:24] correct. They're not dead. They're
[30:25] alive. They're alive in consciousness.
[30:27] But because they have not had
[30:28] preparation for a situation which they
[30:31] still feel pleasure and pain. They can
[30:33] still hang about the old places. They
[30:35] can sit down on the sofa and watch TV
[30:37] and have a snack with their survivors.
[30:39] They may not be aware that they are
[30:41] dead. So we need people who can gently
[30:44] communicate with departed on that level
[30:47] and guide them as to their circumstances
[30:49] and do it effectively. People stay
[30:51] around because they're addicted. They
[30:53] stay around because they've got
[30:54] unfinished business. They stay around
[30:56] because they want to get even with
[30:58] someone. There's bad blood. Once again,
[31:01] we need living people who are capable of
[31:03] communicating. And it's not that
[31:05] difficult to do once you open your inner
[31:07] senses and realize that they're probably
[31:10] appearing to you in dreams or at the
[31:12] edge of dreams any night of the week.
[31:14] Anyway, why are the living cast in a
[31:18] role here? because they the people who
[31:20] are in that state of confusion or don't
[31:22] understand their the their situation uh
[31:25] trust us more than they trust anything
[31:27] on the other side which might seem
[31:29] ghostly and blurry to them. They might
[31:31] still be stuck in the heavy energy body
[31:33] and in the west we don't teach people
[31:35] very well about the nature of the
[31:38] several energy vehicles of consciousness
[31:40] that we operate in in life and that
[31:43] survive physical death. So we don't
[31:44] understand the dead we are dealing with
[31:47] might be held back by the fact that they
[31:49] have not dropped a heavy energy vehicle
[31:51] that they're meant to drop after
[31:53] physical death. So again we need lots of
[31:56] people who in a colloquial humane and
[31:58] compassionate way can help the dead to
[32:01] recognize their situation can help them
[32:04] to call on the guides and the guidance
[32:06] that is waiting for them. One of the
[32:08] most important things that we the living
[32:10] can do for the so-called dead is to call
[32:13] on their behalf. Help them to call on
[32:15] their own behalf for the guides they've
[32:18] not been seeing or listening to.
[32:21] >> So connecting with the guides then kind
[32:23] of creates a team that can help them
[32:24] make that transition earlier. Are there
[32:26] other other things that are helpful in
[32:28] terms of like really creating that that
[32:31] completion with the living that sort of
[32:33] closure that allows moving things along?
[32:36] Well, sometimes forgi forgiveness is
[32:38] required. I mean, this is often the
[32:40] case, for example, with someone who
[32:42] shortened their own life through suicide
[32:44] and and realizes after after they've
[32:47] died that that was a mistake because it
[32:49] hasn't solved anything. Life goes on and
[32:51] now you're really assailed by guilt and
[32:53] grief and and self-loathing and you you
[32:56] might even be so confused you try to
[32:58] draw living survivors with you. So
[33:01] particularly in a case like that,
[33:03] forgiveness is the great healer and it's
[33:05] something that the living can offer to
[33:06] the dead. And sometimes the living of
[33:08] course need forgiveness from the
[33:10] departed, but things ended before they
[33:12] were resolved. And one of the great
[33:15] things to discover in this way of of of
[33:18] experiencing things is that healing and
[33:20] forgiveness are always available even
[33:22] across the apparent barrier of death.
[33:24] And here when we revert to the theme of
[33:27] the psychop is where we need to remember
[33:29] that the psychop might have four legs
[33:32] rather than two. Let me just throw out
[33:34] something that is very sweet and very
[33:36] important and very practical and is also
[33:39] part of this course. Sometimes people
[33:42] are better served in the first stages of
[33:44] understanding what happens after death
[33:47] by their connection with their
[33:48] four-legged friends and by their
[33:50] connection with their two-legged
[33:51] relatives. The dog, the cat, the horse
[33:55] that shared your life might turn out to
[33:58] be a true friend and guide soul for you.
[34:01] I mean, when a beloved black dog that
[34:03] that I love was killed on the road many
[34:05] years ago, he stayed around for a year.
[34:07] I mean, we could sense him. We could
[34:09] even see him. We thought his almost a
[34:11] physical presence. After I did a a
[34:14] ceremony of of of releasing him and
[34:16] letting him go, he turned up in my
[34:18] dreams again and again and again and
[34:20] again. And although today I don't think
[34:22] it's the individual spirit of the black
[34:24] dog, I do feel that when the black dog
[34:27] turns up in my dreams, there is a guide
[34:30] of souls in a form I can always receive
[34:33] saying to me, be alert, pay attention,
[34:35] and uh and and sometimes showing me
[34:38] specific things like how to get
[34:40] somewhere in waking life, how to deal
[34:42] with an issue that I would not otherwise
[34:44] know about. In one of the collective
[34:46] journeys I led to an afterlife welcoming
[34:49] sort of situation like what are you
[34:51] going to find when you first enter the
[34:52] afterlife? Uh a woman who loved her but
[34:55] her parted dog and had contacted him
[34:57] with my encouragement found herself
[35:00] entering a dog park on the other side
[35:02] where dogs free of leashes were running
[35:04] around delighted and welcoming people
[35:07] that they recognized and maybe even
[35:09] people had not been their owners and
[35:11] playing the role of friend of souls
[35:13] psychopump. the psychop with four legs.
[35:15] There's a reason why the dog is often
[35:17] cast in that role in ancient mythology
[35:19] and folklore. And of course, there's a
[35:21] role for cats as well. How could there
[35:23] not be?
[35:26] >> Love your stories. It's really
[35:27] fascinating. Well, I I know that uh we
[35:29] want to also give people a little bit of
[35:31] taste of how to connect with the
[35:34] departed souls and build this psychop
[35:37] capacity. So, uh I think now would be a
[35:39] great time to give a little
[35:40] demonstration and and experiential for
[35:42] folks.
[35:43] I'm very interested because so many of
[35:45] us in modern culture are going through a
[35:47] dream drought. I mean don't have the
[35:49] flow of spontaneous images that I think
[35:52] is so valuable and essential to direct
[35:55] experience of these things. I'm always
[35:57] interested in the my ability and our
[36:01] ability to go to a place where the
[36:03] dreams or message we have lost can be
[36:05] found. Now let's make the theme contact
[36:08] with the departed. Contact with the
[36:09] departed is actually natural,
[36:13] commonplace, and ought to be easy,
[36:15] especially in dreams, because either the
[36:17] departed is still around. That might be
[36:19] okay for a while, by the way. They're
[36:20] still around because they love us. They
[36:22] think we're clueless. They want to give
[36:23] us guidance. They're not ready to move
[36:25] on yet. Okay, for a while, but then
[36:27] separation will be required. They come
[36:29] calling. They come calling for all the
[36:31] reasons we call on each other. And then
[36:33] some. They come as family advocates, as
[36:36] family angels sometimes. And because we
[36:38] go visiting the departed in our dreams,
[36:41] as I mentioned, we travel perhaps quite
[36:43] much more often than even the most
[36:45] prolific dreamer recognizes to places
[36:47] whether dead or alive. But okay, you're
[36:49] missing all that. You're not aware of
[36:51] it. Where where's mom? Where's grandma?
[36:53] Why aren't I dreaming? Well, suppose
[36:55] there were a place you could go where
[36:58] you could pick up messages from the
[37:00] loved ones or from wise ancestors you'd
[37:04] like to be in contact with. Suppose
[37:05] there were such a place. I want to
[37:07] suggest to you right now that there are
[37:10] such places and I want to invite you to
[37:12] come with me to a place that is real in
[37:17] the true realm of the imagination and
[37:19] the imaginal realm where others have
[37:20] gone and accomplished astonishing
[37:22] things. So I'd like you to get your body
[37:26] in a comfy relaxed position. I'd like to
[37:29] say on behalf of all of us, we are
[37:31] seeking contact
[37:34] with our departed loved ones and
[37:36] ancestors in the cause of love and
[37:38] light. We ask for blessing and
[37:40] protection for our encounter.
[37:44] And I'd like you to invite you to call
[37:46] up the memory of an old-fashioned post
[37:48] office. Well, it doesn't have to be all
[37:49] that old-fashioned, just that not many
[37:51] of us go to post offices anymore. I'd
[37:54] like you to call up perhaps from your
[37:56] life a place you can picture, a place
[37:59] you remember that is a post office or
[38:01] something like one that you can
[38:03] visualize right now. And I'd like you to
[38:06] imagine with a little bit of drumming to
[38:09] speed and focus the journey. You're
[38:12] going to go to your version of the post
[38:13] office. We're going to put a graphic up
[38:15] on the screen, but I don't want you to
[38:17] be controlled by the graphic, just
[38:19] encouraged by it. You're going to be
[38:21] going to a post office and you're going
[38:23] to step inside. You're going to go up to
[38:25] the counter and there'll be a clerk.
[38:28] There'll be someone at the counter who
[38:30] and you're going to ask for any messages
[38:32] that are waiting for you. And the
[38:34] messages are likely to be from someone
[38:36] or from several people on the other side
[38:39] of death. Might be letters. They might
[38:41] be packages. So, this is the first thing
[38:44] that's going to happen. You might be
[38:47] reminded
[38:48] while you're in the post office that you
[38:51] actually have a post box. You might find
[38:53] yourself going to that place in the post
[38:56] office where there are the post boxes
[38:58] and opening your box. Yes, you've got a
[39:01] key if you need one or maybe the box
[39:02] just opens for you. And when the post
[39:05] box opens, this might go to a different
[39:07] depth. It might be that there is more
[39:09] waiting for you inside the post box,
[39:12] including even an uplose and personal
[39:15] encounter with someone from the other
[39:17] side who's been trying to contact you
[39:20] and is going to seize this opportunity
[39:23] to have a loving, friendly, helpful
[39:26] exchange with you. So, those are your
[39:29] instructions for the journey to the
[39:30] dream post office. I think we're going
[39:32] to put a graphic up on the screen if we
[39:34] have it.
[39:35] >> And we're going to have five minutes of
[39:37] drumming. You're getting your body in a
[39:39] nice comfy relaxed position. I'd like
[39:42] you to take a few breaths. As you
[39:44] exhale, let go of anything that might be
[39:46] holding you back. Any worry, any
[39:49] tension, any distraction, just let it
[39:51] go. Yes, there are things you might deal
[39:53] need to deal with. Put them outside the
[39:56] space for now. As you breathe in, you're
[39:58] breathing in a lovely sense of
[40:00] expansion, adventure, possibility. Hey,
[40:03] you're going to a place where you can
[40:05] pick up messages that you failed to
[40:08] collect. Messages from your departed
[40:10] loved ones, messages perhaps from wise
[40:13] ancestors and teachers. You might even
[40:15] have a face-to-face encounter. Now,
[40:18] we're going to have five minutes of
[40:19] drumming. You're going to visit
[40:22] the Dream Post Office and pick up some
[40:25] interesting messages. Here we go.
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[48:28] >> Right. So, you're coming gently back to
[48:31] your body, wherever you parked it. What
[48:33] are you bringing? Memories, letters,
[48:36] packages,
[48:37] feelings, something in your heart,
[48:40] something in your gut. What are you
[48:42] bringing back? Perhaps there is the
[48:44] start here of a conversation you could
[48:46] have if you felt yourself in contact
[48:49] with a person on the other side. You
[48:52] could continue this sitting down in a
[48:54] quiet corner of your place. Put out a
[48:56] cup of tea or a glass of wine, a momento
[48:58] of that person and see if you can pursue
[49:01] a full conversation starting it any way
[49:04] that you like.
[49:09] >> Thank you.
[49:14] Yes,
[49:15] >> I had a number of letters I picked up,
[49:16] Stephen. And I also have to write a
[49:20] death poem. It's actually a Japanese
[49:22] term means farewell to life. One of the
[49:25] ji it was a Japanese art. It still is to
[49:28] write something maybe just the length of
[49:30] the haiku as you're on your way to
[49:32] checking out
[49:34] >> and I need to write a new one. It's only
[49:36] a few syllables, but it's important to
[49:38] get it right and have it ready.
[49:41] Yeah, I was getting kind of a
[49:42] combination of just images of, you know,
[49:45] the blocks that build a pyramid and
[49:47] really the message that the groundwork
[49:50] that we're laying with shift is really
[49:52] more generational. It's like shifting
[49:54] civilization is a slow process and to
[49:57] sort of just keep putting bricks in
[49:59] place and not be as attached to how it
[50:02] plays out in the short term, if you
[50:03] will.
[50:05] >> We have different life callings,
[50:06] Stephen. Some go there and are happy to
[50:08] receive a small envelope
[50:11] postmarked in Britain in 1920. That was
[50:14] one of my letters or look look that way.
[50:16] Some have to have the makings of a
[50:18] pyramid. [laughter]
[50:21] >> Well, I think for me it's like the
[50:22] message is a lot around patience.
[50:24] Sometimes I get I I get nervous about
[50:27] where we are as a species and try to
[50:29] like push things faster, but you know,
[50:31] the evolution is a slow is a often a
[50:34] slow business. It takes a while for
[50:35] souls to really evolve and heal and
[50:37] grow.
[50:38] >> Yes. And and we go backwards as well as
[50:41] forwards. Unfortunately, still
[50:43] >> there's a cadre that are, you know,
[50:45] trying to bring things forward and
[50:46] you're part of them. Thank you for doing
[50:48] that.
[50:49] >> Yeah. What do you recommend? So once you
[50:52] receive some messages from the this uh
[50:54] you know dream post office like what do
[50:56] you how do you enact those work with
[50:58] them over time? action is required and
[51:00] the action will depend upon exactly who
[51:02] you're dealing with and what their
[51:03] circumstances are. I mean, a a further
[51:06] conversation or a real conversation
[51:08] because it might just have been a
[51:10] glimpse or an envelope you haven't
[51:12] opened. I have envelopes to open. I
[51:13] mean, I picked up a number of envelopes.
[51:15] Uh I don't know exactly who one of them
[51:18] is from. I know who the others are from.
[51:20] I need to read my mail. I brought my
[51:23] letters out, but I haven't read them in
[51:25] full. I met someone in the post box that
[51:28] I do know. Uh he's not a family member,
[51:31] but he is certainly a wise guided soul
[51:34] in my life. And I realize I need to
[51:36] renew and continue my relationship with
[51:38] him. I'll have some research to do. My
[51:40] my my dreams and dreamlike episodes
[51:43] typically maybe because I'm a bookish
[51:44] fellow certainly exercises in research.
[51:47] Uh may maybe it's maybe it's maybe it's
[51:51] action to continue [clears throat] or
[51:54] complete the healing and forgiveness
[51:56] between yourself and someone on the
[51:58] other side that is still incomplete.
[51:59] Maybe that's what it's about.
[52:02] >> Well, it's really inspiring just hearing
[52:04] how much can happen for you having
[52:06] practiced this this these kind of
[52:07] techniques for so long just in a short
[52:09] journey like that. So it really becomes
[52:11] evident like how much the multiverse is
[52:14] available when we really open these
[52:16] pathways and it might be useful you know
[52:18] going beyond just talking about the
[52:19] psychop role just the more general field
[52:22] of like how really working with your
[52:23] dreams can open up all these different
[52:25] dimensions of the multiverse and share
[52:28] some of what um you've explored and
[52:29] opened I know you've taught this in a
[52:31] lot of different courses but for people
[52:32] who are newer it'd be great to get a
[52:34] little bit more of the sense of the
[52:35] landscape. Well, when people talk about
[52:38] dreams in our society, they struggle
[52:40] because either they think of it as a
[52:41] sleep experience that might be just
[52:43] random neural firing in the brain or the
[52:46] effect of dinner last night. Uh or they
[52:49] think of dream in the advertising
[52:51] company's way. You know, the the dream
[52:52] of your car, the dream of your house,
[52:55] the dream of your toaster.
[52:57] But but dreaming is really about waking
[53:00] up. In ancient Egypt where they did a
[53:02] lot of dreaming, we get a lot of
[53:04] Egyptian dreamers in my workshops. The
[53:06] word we transliterate as RSWT
[53:10] which means dream ancient Egyptian. It
[53:13] also means an awakening and it's written
[53:15] in the hier in the hieroglyphs with a
[53:17] with a grammatical determinative it's
[53:19] called at the end of the word which
[53:20] looks like an open eye. So there in the
[53:23] language of ancient Egypt is the
[53:25] understanding that to dream might be to
[53:26] wake up. What does that mean? That means
[53:29] to wake up to an order of events, to a
[53:31] logic of events, to a reality beyond the
[53:34] ordinary one. And this is in fact the
[53:36] understanding of every indigenous
[53:39] culture that I know anything about and
[53:41] many ancient ones as well. That the
[53:42] dream world is a real world. That dreams
[53:46] are not just symbolic texts to be
[53:48] analyzed, although you can certainly
[53:50] approach dreams that way and do useful
[53:52] things. Dreams might be events in the
[53:54] life of consciousness, events in the
[53:56] life of the soul. You meet someone, you
[53:58] go somewhere, you receive a visitation
[54:01] and this is for real and it's
[54:02] transpersonal. Yes, you could say it's
[54:04] all a part of you because we're all
[54:06] connected. But wait a minute, that is
[54:08] grandma. That is my father telling me to
[54:10] send my mother to the realtor. That is
[54:13] some form of my favorite dead professor
[54:16] asking me the right question in the way
[54:18] that a teacher will do to get me through
[54:20] a difficult stage in my understanding of
[54:23] what my work is about. Yes, that is my
[54:25] dead professor or at least a guide
[54:27] wearing his face. It's more than a part
[54:29] of me that has been buried. So to
[54:32] understand that dreaming is for real,
[54:33] that the dream world is for real, the
[54:35] dreaming might be traveling, traveling
[54:37] by the soul or by consciousness. This is
[54:40] the beginning of wisdom. Of course,
[54:41] dreams cover a whole spectrum of
[54:44] possibility. There are movie making
[54:46] dreams and I love these. I had a crazy
[54:49] dream one night and I decided I'd go
[54:52] back inside the dream. the technique I
[54:54] teach. You've dreamed something. Don't
[54:55] let it stop there. Don't waste all your
[54:57] time. Exhaust yourself analyzing. See if
[55:00] you can travel back through the image of
[55:02] the dream like a doorway and do
[55:04] something more. So, I go back into the
[55:07] crazy dream and I find it was made for
[55:09] me. It's a dream movie. Well, who's made
[55:12] it? I'm out on the set and it's all
[55:14] crazy stuff, but really fascinating. And
[55:16] the studio is called Disney Walt
[55:18] Studios. Not Walt Disney Studios, but
[55:21] Disney Walt Studios. And I have further
[55:23] direct evidence from my own dreaming
[55:26] that we have maybe all of us have
[55:28] personal movie making companies that
[55:31] make dreams that we're going to see in
[55:34] the night. Why? Sometimes to entertain
[55:36] us, sometimes to shock us into waking up
[55:39] and seeing our actions and behavior from
[55:42] outside ourselves. And it's a great gift
[55:44] when you can do that. So that's one of
[55:46] the functions of dreaming. Another
[55:48] function of dreaming is it shows you
[55:50] what lies ahead. We see the possible
[55:52] future. We don't just see things that
[55:54] will happen. We do, but we see things
[55:56] that may or may not happen according to
[55:58] whether we can clarify the information
[56:00] and take appropriate action. I wouldn't
[56:02] be talking to you here if I hadn't
[56:04] escaped probable death on the road three
[56:07] times. By paying attention to dreams
[56:09] that rehearsed me for those accidents on
[56:12] the road, and by clarifying the
[56:14] information, I was able to avoid those
[56:16] dates with my possible death on those
[56:18] three occasions. That's heavy stuff. But
[56:21] sometimes it's light and bright.
[56:22] Sometimes you see in your dreams
[56:24] something you would greatly love to
[56:26] manifest. You found Mr. Wright or Ms.
[56:30] Wright, but it's going to require a few
[56:32] steps to get to them. So you need again
[56:35] to clarify the dream, apply the
[56:36] information, and make it part of your
[56:39] travel plan in life. So these are some
[56:41] things waiting for you. And one of the
[56:43] crulest things we're doing to each
[56:45] ourselves in our culture is we're not
[56:47] making room for this tremendous source
[56:51] of guidance, narrative, entertainment,
[56:55] uh, and wisdom.
[56:58] >> You are, it's such a revelation to talk
[57:00] to you. I mean, it really just opens up
[57:01] so many fields of possibility. It's it's
[57:03] exciting. And so, Robert, let's talk
[57:06] take some time now to talk about your
[57:07] upcoming training. I know you're super
[57:09] excited to offer this because it really
[57:10] is a kind of a capstone to a lot of uh
[57:13] work that you've offered over the years.
[57:16] So, we're delighted that Robert's agreed
[57:18] to teach this brand new in-depth
[57:19] training. It's called the psychop
[57:21] training. Guiding souls and approaching
[57:23] death dying in the afterlife with
[57:25] courage and grace through active
[57:26] dreaming. You can find it at the URL
[57:28] psychoptraining.com.
[57:30] psychoptraining.com.
[57:32] It's 18 modules long, so very in-depth.
[57:35] And it's going to be a powerful group
[57:37] that goes through this. And Robert,
[57:39] would I'd love for you to share some of
[57:40] your intentions for what people come
[57:42] away with from the 18 module journey
[57:44] with you.
[57:46] First of all, I'd like everybody to wake
[57:49] up to the fact that
[57:51] you're in the afterlife right now. You
[57:54] died to another world in order to come
[57:56] here. When you die to this world, you'll
[57:59] be born in another world. And once you
[58:01] realize that, wake up to that as a fact
[58:04] of life through your direct experience,
[58:07] I think you might be able to have a
[58:09] clearer perspective on things and bring
[58:12] in what I like to call that sense of
[58:14] divine comedy. So, the psychop training
[58:17] starts with drilling you or rehearsing
[58:20] you again in core techniques like some
[58:23] of the ones we've been discussing. Core
[58:25] techniques of what? of active dreaming,
[58:27] which is my original synthesis of
[58:29] shamanism and dreamwork. Core techniques
[58:32] like learning to walk and talk your
[58:35] dreams, like learning that you can go
[58:37] back inside a dream and use it as a
[58:39] portal for an adventure in the
[58:41] multiverse. You can get more
[58:43] information. You can carry on a dream.
[58:45] You can you can overcome nightmare
[58:47] terrors. You can carry on a wonderful
[58:50] party, a wonderful tropical romance, all
[58:52] through the dream re-entry technique.
[58:54] So, we're going to we're going to be
[58:56] practicing some essential core
[58:58] techniques. And of course, let's
[58:59] remember dreaming is not just about what
[59:01] you do with your eyes closed. It's also
[59:03] about what you do with your eyes open
[59:06] and all your senses are quiver when you
[59:08] begin to wake up to the power of
[59:09] synchronicity and the way that signs are
[59:12] popping up around you in ordinary life.
[59:14] So, that is part of the dreaming. One of
[59:16] the great central themes of the course
[59:18] is of course our ability to communicate
[59:20] with the departed. As I said, this is
[59:24] relatively easy. It's certainly a
[59:26] natural thing, especially in dreams
[59:28] because my dead are still around. They
[59:31] often are still around. Might be okay
[59:32] for a while. We might need to help them
[59:34] separate and cast off lovingly. They
[59:37] come calling. We travel to their realm
[59:39] in our dreams. So, we're going to
[59:41] explore 13 of the reasons why our dead
[59:44] come calling and how we need to deal
[59:45] with each of the situation that comes up
[59:48] and can play friend of soul or psychop
[59:50] when required. We're going to explore
[59:52] and grow our relations with the other
[59:54] world. We're going to practice certain
[59:58] travel itineraries, making a crossing by
[1:00:01] water, as is favored in so many of the
[1:00:03] mythologies and shamanic traditions,
[1:00:06] flying off to another world, finding
[1:00:08] ourselves at home in the bosom and the
[1:00:10] belly of the great mother, traveling
[1:00:13] through fire, traveling through spirit
[1:00:16] up from the fontineel to a higher realm.
[1:00:18] So, we're going to we're going to learn
[1:00:20] how to find the right departure lounge
[1:00:24] for a journey to the other side of
[1:00:25] death. And we won't do this in a
[1:00:27] hopeless sort of silly way. We'll do it
[1:00:30] with the guidance, blessing, and
[1:00:31] protection we will invoke. So, we'll
[1:00:33] spend a certain amount of time calling
[1:00:36] up the blessing, protection, narrative
[1:00:39] guidance, navigational guidance that we
[1:00:41] require. We're going to explore as
[1:00:44] firsthand as we can uh first steps on
[1:00:48] the other side, transitions on the other
[1:00:50] side of physical death, stages of
[1:00:53] growth, evolution, rehab, higher
[1:00:56] education, contact with teachers, social
[1:00:59] life, real estate options on the other
[1:01:02] side of death. We'll have firsthand
[1:01:04] experience by journeying on these
[1:01:06] things. And we'll also learn from great
[1:01:08] travelers of the past, great soul
[1:01:10] travelers. For example, we'll spend a
[1:01:12] little bit of time with with one of my
[1:01:15] favorite schools for the understanding
[1:01:17] of life beyond death, which was really
[1:01:19] founded by the great Victorian ghost
[1:01:22] hunters, the founders of the Society for
[1:01:24] Psychical Research, people like Fred
[1:01:26] Meyers and their American counterparts,
[1:01:29] people like William James, people like
[1:01:30] the journalist WT Steed, who went down
[1:01:33] on the Titanic and reported back as he
[1:01:35] has promised to do about the stages of
[1:01:38] life after life he went through in a
[1:01:40] marvelous book called The Blue Island,
[1:01:42] which is going to be recommended reading
[1:01:44] in this course. So, we're having
[1:01:46] firsthand experience, but we're also
[1:01:47] going to hear from people, people today
[1:01:50] and people in earlier times and other
[1:01:52] cultures and other civilizations who did
[1:01:54] a lot of exploring of the soul realms
[1:01:57] beyond death. We're going to learn how
[1:01:59] to assist uh people living and dead very
[1:02:02] specifically. We're going to learn how
[1:02:04] to help people approaching death who in
[1:02:06] the last stages of life. Hey, do you
[1:02:08] know someone who's dying right now?
[1:02:11] Do I not? No, I don't actually.
[1:02:14] >> Uh, Stephen, think again.
[1:02:17] >> Think again. You're just
[1:02:19] >> Well, teasing you.
[1:02:20] >> I'm teasing you.
[1:02:22] >> Yeah, you're dying. You're dying right
[1:02:23] now.
[1:02:23] >> I guess Oh, you're right. If you think
[1:02:25] of it like broader yet.
[1:02:27] >> I love it that I could get you with that
[1:02:29] one. I was really addressing you to
[1:02:31] everybody. I wasn't I wasn't picking on
[1:02:33] you individually, but you responded.
[1:02:35] Bless you. I mean, I love the fact I
[1:02:37] love the way you put yourself into these
[1:02:39] games and don't hold back. It's great.
[1:02:41] Uh, I tell you, if we were sitting in a
[1:02:43] room of hundred people, and I've done
[1:02:45] this in front of a room of many hundreds
[1:02:46] of people, many of them are sitting
[1:02:48] there, "No, I don't know anyone."
[1:02:50] [laughter] And then you say, "You do
[1:02:52] know someone. You're dying right now."
[1:02:54] What I'm saying is that it's never too
[1:02:57] late or too soon to consider these
[1:03:00] things. So getting ready for the
[1:03:03] transition, getting ready to check out
[1:03:04] of this life, I I have some very cool
[1:03:07] techniques that I've experimented with
[1:03:09] and applied and offered people over many
[1:03:12] years now. One of them is what we call
[1:03:14] the dream transfer. I I'm sure that this
[1:03:16] is an ancient technique, but in this
[1:03:19] form, it's one that I came up with in
[1:03:20] the course of my own practice and
[1:03:22] teaching. You have someone who doesn't
[1:03:24] have a dream, doesn't have a vision,
[1:03:26] doesn't have a map, doesn't know how to
[1:03:28] approach the journey. Well, of course,
[1:03:30] there are all sorts of prayerful ways
[1:03:32] that you can help someone. The Tibetans
[1:03:34] might practice poa, the trans transition
[1:03:37] of consciousness on your behalf and give
[1:03:39] you a meditation deity or a guru or
[1:03:42] something. The church might pray over
[1:03:43] you. There are all sorts of ways that
[1:03:45] established religion can help someone.
[1:03:47] But if we're going to be individualistic
[1:03:51] about this and go for our the
[1:03:52] authenticity of our own direct
[1:03:54] experience, what can we do for someone
[1:03:57] who might be approaching death but
[1:03:59] doesn't really have a way of visualizing
[1:04:01] or handling that? We can bring them a
[1:04:04] dream. We can bring them a vision of how
[1:04:07] this might work. Should I tell you a
[1:04:08] story about this? The kind of things we
[1:04:10] can learn in practice.
[1:04:12] >> I'll put in the midst of everyday life,
[1:04:13] Stephen. I mean, I know you like this.
[1:04:15] So, I'm on an airplane and I'm playing a
[1:04:17] synchronicity game. You know what's
[1:04:18] going to come up on the plane that will
[1:04:20] guide me on what I'm doing that day,
[1:04:22] which is I'm leading a short workshop
[1:04:24] called making death your ally, which by
[1:04:27] the way introduces another of the big
[1:04:29] themes of this psychop training. You're
[1:04:31] going to meet your personal death and
[1:04:33] you're going to be put through a
[1:04:34] questionnaire and you're going to see
[1:04:36] what you need to do to negotiate a life
[1:04:38] contract that'll give you more enjoyable
[1:04:41] years on this earth. Anyway, I'm on the
[1:04:44] plane. what's going to happen on the
[1:04:45] plane that will be guidance for me on
[1:04:48] the death workshop I'm about to lead in
[1:04:50] Cincinnati. There's an old man sitting
[1:04:52] in my seat. Interesting. We swap seats.
[1:04:56] Jack, he's 90 years old. And we've we've
[1:05:00] stuck up a pleasant conversation. Then
[1:05:02] he starts moaning about his life, never
[1:05:04] had any luck. And I think, oh dear, two
[1:05:06] hours of this, it'll be very drab. And
[1:05:08] I'm thinking either I raise my book and
[1:05:10] pretend I never met him or I improvise.
[1:05:12] So, I start improvising. I notice he's
[1:05:15] wearing a lot of golf club badges. I see
[1:05:17] you like golf, Jack. Yes. He perks up.
[1:05:19] Tell me about your best day on a golf
[1:05:22] course. Oh. Oh, I got a hole in one. And
[1:05:24] suddenly he's a poet. The ball is flying
[1:05:27] through the mist. Uh, but there's no one
[1:05:30] to see it. I told you I never had any
[1:05:32] luck. Now I'm improvising. This is going
[1:05:35] to become an example of dream transfer.
[1:05:37] I'm just improvising. I said to him,
[1:05:39] "Jack, I have a movie of your life going
[1:05:42] through my life, my my mind. Would you
[1:05:44] like to hear it?" Oh. Oh, okay. Jack,
[1:05:47] you filled in the form. Apparently,
[1:05:49] there's a ballot you can fill in a form
[1:05:50] and if no one saw you get a hole in one,
[1:05:53] and if they pull your name, you get to
[1:05:54] fly free first class to Sedandre in
[1:05:57] Scotland to play golf. He never filled
[1:05:59] in the form. Never had any luck. Jack,
[1:06:01] you filled in the form. You're on the
[1:06:03] plane flying first class to Scotland.
[1:06:05] Oh, okay. You're having single mode. Oh,
[1:06:07] good. Yeah, you're out on the links,
[1:06:10] Jack. Yeah. What's happening? Well, you
[1:06:12] get a birdie on the first hole. My golf
[1:06:14] lingo is not great. So, at the third
[1:06:16] hole, I've got to tell him a better
[1:06:17] story. Third hole's a beautiful young
[1:06:19] woman waiting for you, Jack. Oh. Oh,
[1:06:22] what's she look like? I don't know his
[1:06:23] tastes. All slim but curvy. Oh, what's
[1:06:26] her hair? Reddish. Oh, never had any
[1:06:28] luck with red heads. Well, I'm
[1:06:29] desperate. Oh, well. Early morning,
[1:06:32] flick of the light, highlights in the
[1:06:34] early sun, Jack, she takes you by the
[1:06:36] hand. Yes. Yes. She's leading you to a
[1:06:39] building. Yes. Yes. I thought I think he
[1:06:41] could check out right now. He lead she
[1:06:44] leads you into the library of the
[1:06:45] university and she puts books on the
[1:06:47] table in front of you. What books?
[1:06:49] History, archaeology, biology. How did
[1:06:51] you know what? Those are the subjects I
[1:06:54] would have studied at university. I
[1:06:56] never got there as a high school
[1:06:57] dropout.
[1:06:59] So, I've given him a story in which he
[1:07:01] is flying on a silver jet to a golf
[1:07:04] course which isn't necessarily in
[1:07:06] Scotland. and there's a beautiful female
[1:07:08] companion waiting for him. And we go
[1:07:10] over the story and then he starts making
[1:07:12] announcements about his life. He's going
[1:07:13] to write to the people with whom there's
[1:07:16] been bad blood. He's going to deal with
[1:07:17] the state matters. He is in fact getting
[1:07:19] ready for death even though we haven't
[1:07:21] mentioned death, nor have I mentioned
[1:07:23] the word dream, come to think of it. As
[1:07:26] we deplain, he's checking the details
[1:07:28] about the library again. And he writes
[1:07:31] to me the following week and says the
[1:07:32] most important day of his life. he's
[1:07:35] ready to face life and to face death. So
[1:07:38] that told in with colloquialism and the
[1:07:41] humor that was involved is an example of
[1:07:44] giving an image, giving a dream, in this
[1:07:46] case giving a map for the first stages
[1:07:49] of the transition to someone who doesn't
[1:07:51] have one. This is something we can learn
[1:07:53] to do. It's a beautiful thing. It makes
[1:07:56] poets in a practical sense out of all of
[1:07:58] us.
[1:07:59] >> Yeah, that's an amazing story and really
[1:08:01] a great embodiment of the teachings that
[1:08:02] you're sharing. So um what well
[1:08:05] beautiful program and we kind of you
[1:08:07] covered a lot of the broad arcs. I think
[1:08:08] it's worthwhile to uh share a bit just
[1:08:11] the title so people get a sense for how
[1:08:13] it all flows together with those broad
[1:08:15] themes that you discussed. So module one
[1:08:17] is called open the dream gate and call
[1:08:19] in guidance and protection. Module two
[1:08:22] lucid and liinal dreaming to consciously
[1:08:24] travel between worlds. Module three
[1:08:28] reasons our dead come calling and how to
[1:08:30] deepen your connection with them. Module
[1:08:32] four, talk to the dead for healing,
[1:08:34] forgiveness, and co-creation. Module
[1:08:36] five, explore soul, spirit, and dead
[1:08:38] teachers to navigate the other world.
[1:08:41] Module six, explore reports from the
[1:08:43] other side to deepen your understanding
[1:08:44] of the afterlife. And you share a little
[1:08:46] bit more about just Yeah. the power of
[1:08:48] understanding what happens in the
[1:08:50] afterlife and how that shifts our
[1:08:52] experience. Now,
[1:08:56] I think it's
[1:08:58] going to be much easier for you in your
[1:09:00] life to handle the ups and downs the
[1:09:04] light throws at you if you have a solid,
[1:09:08] secure vision of what lies beyond this
[1:09:12] world. And of course, that involves life
[1:09:14] after this life. It also eventually is
[1:09:16] going to involve remembering more of
[1:09:20] other life experiences that you might
[1:09:22] have had and might be currently having
[1:09:24] in other times and other realities.
[1:09:26] Because by the end of this course, we're
[1:09:28] going to look not only at what kind of
[1:09:31] progression, what kind of succession of
[1:09:34] bo states you might go in after physical
[1:09:37] death. We're going to look at the stage
[1:09:40] of consciousness at which you're able to
[1:09:43] form a more large and generous view of
[1:09:48] your relationship in the
[1:09:50] multi-dimensional universe with multiple
[1:09:53] life experiences, multiple personalities
[1:09:56] connected with you that from a certain
[1:09:58] point of view might be part of a linear
[1:10:00] succession involving karmic traces and
[1:10:02] all of that, but might also in a sense
[1:10:05] be going on right now. And of course to
[1:10:07] manage that you're going to be invited
[1:10:10] to rise to the perspective of the self
[1:10:12] on a higher level. A higher self on a
[1:10:15] level above the one that you are
[1:10:18] currently on. I mean this is a great
[1:10:19] thing to rise to the perspective of the
[1:10:22] oversoul or higher self. And when you do
[1:10:25] that you have the ability you see again
[1:10:28] to look over the hurly burly and
[1:10:31] confusion of everyday life with an
[1:10:34] aerial view. actually a beyond aerial
[1:10:37] view, maybe not a celestial view, but
[1:10:39] certainly a view from a higher mental or
[1:10:41] causal plane. And this could be the key
[1:10:44] to great empowerment, wiser choices uh
[1:10:48] in everything in everything in life. So
[1:10:50] that's what it's really all about.
[1:10:53] >> Truly fascinating. Then from there,
[1:10:55] module seven goes into journey through
[1:10:57] death and rebirth with the goddess for
[1:10:58] healing and soul remembering. Module
[1:11:01] eight, cross the waters to the other
[1:11:03] side for connection, guidance, and
[1:11:04] discovery. Module nine, take flight from
[1:11:07] Silver Airport to explore the other
[1:11:09] world. Module 10, enter Dante's gate to
[1:11:12] meet the beloved of your soul. We
[1:11:13] haven't mentioned that. Share a little
[1:11:14] bit more about meeting the beloved.
[1:11:16] >> Oh, I love this. Here we are, Dante.
[1:11:17] From the heart western literature, we
[1:11:19] have a great shamanic map to to the many
[1:11:23] worlds. And we're going to take the part
[1:11:24] of it from the purgatoria, which is
[1:11:27] people talk about the inferno. Not
[1:11:29] enough people read the purgatoria, let
[1:11:31] alone the paradisoa. Dant is on his way
[1:11:33] to meeting the beloved of his soul,
[1:11:35] Beatatrice Beatatric, who's going to
[1:11:37] look like a lovely young girl he loved
[1:11:39] and could never have. That's the way his
[1:11:41] his his psychop his beloved the soul is
[1:11:44] going to look in a chariot drawn by
[1:11:47] griffins, winged beasts, and accompanied
[1:11:49] by angels. And to get to her, he has to
[1:11:52] go through a stage of looking at himself
[1:11:54] from various perspectives and deciding
[1:11:56] what sacrifice he's willing to make. But
[1:11:59] there's a great moment for a dreamer
[1:12:01] when Beatatrice looks at him. He's
[1:12:04] desperate to meet her, names him for the
[1:12:06] first time in the immense comedian, the
[1:12:08] immense poem. He's named for the first
[1:12:10] time and she says, not even to him, but
[1:12:13] to the angels around her. Look at this
[1:12:14] idiot. Vainly in dreams I called him and
[1:12:19] he would not listen. We are told at this
[1:12:21] pivotal moment in the drama, she was
[1:12:24] calling him in his dreams and he would
[1:12:26] not listen. And that's why he had to go
[1:12:27] through hell. That's why he got lost in
[1:12:30] insta.
[1:12:36] That's why in the midst of life he found
[1:12:38] himself lost in a dark wood and had to
[1:12:40] go through all the cycles of hell
[1:12:42] because the beloved of the soul says to
[1:12:45] the angels he would not listen to the
[1:12:47] dreams in which I was speaking to him.
[1:12:50] So there's a moment you ask what
[1:12:52] dreaming is all about. There's a moment
[1:12:54] from Dante to consider.
[1:12:56] >> That's powerful. We then go into module
[1:12:59] 11 make death your ally to live with
[1:13:01] greater courage and purpose. Module 12,
[1:13:03] help the dead find their way to healing,
[1:13:05] forgiveness, and release. Module 13, fly
[1:13:07] to the moon to explore the mysteries of
[1:13:09] the astral realm. Module 14, take your
[1:13:11] first steps on the other side with
[1:13:13] greater awareness and understanding.
[1:13:15] Module 15, get a life on the other side
[1:13:17] through imagination, memory, and desire.
[1:13:19] Module 16, become a midwife of death to
[1:13:22] help others approach the journey with
[1:13:23] courage and grace journey. And module
[1:13:26] 17, journey between lives to remember
[1:13:27] your soul, family, and purpose. It's a
[1:13:29] fascinating. Share a little bit more
[1:13:31] about that.
[1:13:32] This goes back to what we were talking
[1:13:34] about and it goes back to that guide who
[1:13:36] turned up for me when I was 14. The the
[1:13:39] knowledge that matters comes through
[1:13:41] anomnesis. Remembering who you were,
[1:13:43] what you knew, and where you were before
[1:13:46] you came here. And one of the ways to do
[1:13:49] that is to find your way to the space
[1:13:52] between lives. There's actually been a
[1:13:54] lot of interesting stuff written and
[1:13:55] published about this in recent years. A
[1:13:57] lot of it through hypnotic regression,
[1:13:59] which is all very well, but I prefer
[1:14:01] people to have their own conscious
[1:14:03] experiences mediated only by suggestions
[1:14:06] and uh guide rules and invocations for
[1:14:09] blessing and so on. So if you can go to
[1:14:11] the place where choices were made by you
[1:14:16] uh with guidance no doubt before you
[1:14:18] came here then you might be able to
[1:14:20] carry back into this world a clearer
[1:14:23] idea of what it's all about who you are
[1:14:26] where you come from and what you're
[1:14:27] meant to be doing right now. And once
[1:14:30] again, if you have a sense of that, a
[1:14:32] sense of your contract or agreement that
[1:14:34] brought you here are things that you
[1:14:36] undertook to do in this life, uh then
[1:14:39] perhaps you're going to approach things
[1:14:41] with clarity and courage that might
[1:14:43] escape you otherwise.
[1:14:45] >> And then we culminate the program with
[1:14:47] module 18, meet more of your soul family
[1:14:49] to view your life from a higher
[1:14:51] perspective. And so that's an overview.
[1:14:54] There's a lot more. It's all at
[1:14:56] psychoptraining.com.
[1:14:58] you can get more details on each of the
[1:14:59] modules and I want to share a little bit
[1:15:02] more about how the program is
[1:15:03] structured. So if you choose to move
[1:15:04] forward with this training, you're going
[1:15:06] to get 18 90-minute live sessions with
[1:15:08] Robert. Each is really filled with
[1:15:10] wisdom, practices, insights, sharing.
[1:15:13] You you do interactive practices,
[1:15:15] shamanic drumming together, and you'll
[1:15:17] also have time to ask your questions
[1:15:19] live, which really opens up a whole
[1:15:20] richness. In addition, you'll have
[1:15:22] recordings of every session, both video
[1:15:24] and audio, to add to your
[1:15:25] transformational library for years to
[1:15:27] come. There's word for word transcripts.
[1:15:29] There's weekly exercises. There's a
[1:15:32] community group to support you and
[1:15:33] deepen your experience. And Robert tends
[1:15:35] to be very active with the community
[1:15:36] group to sort of really catalyze deeper
[1:15:38] discussions and exchanges. There's a
[1:15:40] small group time to connect with other
[1:15:42] participants. And on the page, you also
[1:15:44] see there's a number of extra bonuses
[1:15:46] that Robert's been very um generous or
[1:15:48] our team has also been really generous
[1:15:50] in adding. There's a um paleocsychology
[1:15:53] and lucid dreamers video conversation
[1:15:55] with Ryan Herd. Anything you want to
[1:15:57] share about that?
[1:15:58] >> Oh, [snorts] Ryan's great. He's one of
[1:16:00] the new generation of dream researchers
[1:16:02] and he's lively and he like me
[1:16:04] understands that we have more in common
[1:16:07] with paleo humans who who did a lot of
[1:16:10] the shamanic dream stuff that we might
[1:16:12] like to remember. for example, uh we we
[1:16:15] we we active dreamers recognize like
[1:16:18] them that we live in a conscious alive
[1:16:21] universe that everything is alive and we
[1:16:23] can dream with all of it. Uh so his
[1:16:25] approach to lucid dreaming is very
[1:16:27] liberated. He he he came to public
[1:16:30] attention by offering some of the
[1:16:32] clearest and most practical guidance on
[1:16:34] dealing with sleep paralysis that was
[1:16:36] available. It's a very good
[1:16:37] conversation.
[1:16:39] >> That's great. That's a great bonus. And
[1:16:41] then there's a second bonus with audio
[1:16:42] conversation with Sandra Ingramman, our
[1:16:44] beloved shamanic teacher. It's called
[1:16:46] Shamans, Dreamers, and Care of the Soul.
[1:16:48] Anything you want to add to that?
[1:16:49] >> Oh, Sandra and I have been friends for
[1:16:51] she says forever. We we've been friends
[1:16:54] we've been friends for 35 years at
[1:16:56] least. And synchronicity crackles around
[1:16:59] us. I mean, I remember I went to a
[1:17:00] workshop she gave some 35 years ago and
[1:17:03] the synchronicity that crackled in that
[1:17:05] workshop was astonishing. I met an older
[1:17:07] version of myself in that workshop which
[1:17:10] was not on the agenda but it's what
[1:17:11] happened which was a source of
[1:17:13] continuing guidance for me in my life.
[1:17:15] And Sandra Sandra is a dreamer. She's
[1:17:17] not just a shaman who does ritual. She
[1:17:19] does a lot of wonderful ritual but she
[1:17:21] understands very deeply that dreaming is
[1:17:24] at the center of real shamanic practice
[1:17:27] and that a really good shaman is likely
[1:17:29] to be a worldclass dreamer.
[1:17:32] Then we have one final bonus that is
[1:17:34] available for those who sign up today by
[1:17:36] midnight. It is called the art of
[1:17:39] crossing worlds, dreams, dying and
[1:17:41] intuition. This is actually a dialogue
[1:17:42] between Robert and Felicity Warner who's
[1:17:44] another shift faculty member. Anything
[1:17:46] else that you want to share about that
[1:17:48] special bonus?
[1:17:49] >> She's a lovely lovely lovely lady. She
[1:17:51] she is a death dueler, death midwife. I
[1:17:53] think she uses both phrases. She's
[1:17:55] trained many of them in the UK and is
[1:17:58] greatly appreciated for the warmth and
[1:18:00] compassion and spirit that she brings to
[1:18:03] helping people get ready for the
[1:18:04] crossing.
[1:18:07] >> Well, it's going to be an amazing
[1:18:08] training. Really is the capstone from so
[1:18:10] much of the exploration of these ter
[1:18:12] this terrain of working with the the
[1:18:15] liinal edges of dying dreaming and
[1:18:18] working with the afterlife. And uh we've
[1:18:20] kept the investment really appropriate
[1:18:22] and accessible given the length and
[1:18:24] depth of this program. It's uh
[1:18:25] >> five payments of $285
[1:18:28] or you save 10% when you pay in full
[1:18:31] with one payment of $1,297.
[1:18:34] The course is going to start on October
[1:18:36] 22nd and run Thursdays at 9:00 a.m.
[1:18:38] Pacific, noon Eastern. But even if you
[1:18:40] can't make the live times, you can still
[1:18:42] get the full value with the recordings
[1:18:43] and the transcripts and the community if
[1:18:45] you really participate. There's some
[1:18:47] great testimonials on the page from from
[1:18:50] uh Robert's many shift programs as well
[1:18:52] as the imminent teachers in the field.
[1:18:54] Very beloved and very respected and you
[1:18:57] are in great hands and you will
[1:18:58] experience the really the best of the
[1:19:00] frontiers of this field. So again, it's
[1:19:02] all at psycho psychopmptraining.com
[1:19:05] psychopmptraining.com
[1:19:06] and if you choose to move forward today,
[1:19:08] you're going to get that special bonus
[1:19:10] with Robert and Felicity Warner on the
[1:19:12] art of crossing worlds, dreams, dying,
[1:19:14] and intuition.
[1:19:16] So, Robert, again, it's always a
[1:19:18] mindopening, hearttoping hour. Thank you
[1:19:21] for expanding our paradigm of the
[1:19:22] possible yet again uh and offering this
[1:19:25] training and psychoprom training.
[1:19:28] Anything that you haven't shared that's
[1:19:29] still on your heart you want to share
[1:19:30] with folks who are considering joining
[1:19:31] you.
[1:19:33] >> Here's a thought.
[1:19:35] Path of the soul after death is the same
[1:19:38] as the path of the soul in dreams. I
[1:19:41] first heard that as a saying of the
[1:19:44] Lakota. I think it's very clear and it's
[1:19:47] very true. The path of the soul after
[1:19:49] death is the same as the path of the
[1:19:50] soul in dreams except that you're not
[1:19:53] coming back to the the same physical
[1:19:55] body. So that's really the rationale for
[1:19:59] all of this. But we might say that it's
[1:20:01] not just about the path of the soul
[1:20:03] after death in the sense of the
[1:20:05] afterlife. It's about the path of the
[1:20:07] soul in any life on either side of the
[1:20:10] swing door of death. So here we are.
[1:20:13] This is a path of soul. It's walkable.
[1:20:16] It's waiting. It's a boundless
[1:20:18] adventure, boundless journey of
[1:20:20] discovery, healing, and possibility.
[1:20:24] >> Beautiful. Well, thank you, Robert.
[1:20:26] Thank you all for joining and look
[1:20:27] forward to seeing many of you in the
[1:20:28] program. And again, it's at
[1:20:30] psychoptraining.com and you'll get that
[1:20:32] special bonus with Robert and Felicity
[1:20:34] when you sign up by midnight.
[1:20:35] So, thank you so much.
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