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Why Perfectionism Blocks Connection for Overwhelmed Moms

Peter Crone
Peter Crone
Oct 21, 2026
8 min read
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She wakes early. There is the routine of getting two young daughters out the door, the drop-off at school or child care, the commute, the work day, the drive home, and then, if she is lucky, a few minutes of snuggling her girls before her mind has already moved on to dinner and bedtime. By the time she lies down at night, she says, her body feels like it is vibrating. In a recent episode of Peter Crone's podcast, Finding Freedom, a listener named Anne sits down with him to describe this life at full speed, and what emerges is less a story about time management than a story about fear, inherited expectations, and the quiet belief that love has to be earned through performance. This is a conversation worth slowing down for, because the patterns Crone identifies are not unique to one household. They run through a great deal of modern parenting.

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What is the anxiety underneath the overwhelm?

The episode opens with Crone framing what he has heard from Anne before she has said much at all. He describes a woman dealing with considerable anxiety, particularly around her own mortality, worried about death in the future, and made more acute by being the mother of two girls. He adds that the anxiety was cascading into her physiology, with digestive issues affecting her sleep, and that it was leaving her "not very present both as a mother with her girls, but also as a human in every walk of life." Crone notes, too, that anxiety affects almost half a billion people around the world, a reminder that this is not a niche problem.

Anne's own account confirms the shape of it. She describes a fear of dying slowly and painfully, the kind of terminal illness she imagines, and says that the fear extends to her children: the worry that they will not be well, and the feeling that she would be powerless to make them feel better or safe. Those two requests, health anxiety and overwhelm, are the twin threads Crone pulls through the hour. Overwhelm is not treated as a scheduling problem to be solved with a better calendar. It is treated as a nervous system running on a belief that something terrible is always about to happen.

Why does Crone say perfectionism is the obstacle, not the solution?

Early on, Crone makes a move that many listeners will recognize from their own lives. He suggests that the drive to appear perfect is itself a learned strategy, one that people adopt to be loved and accepted. The irony, as he frames it, is that the strategy undermines the very thing it is trying to secure. As he puts it:

"Being really human is what allows us to truly connect... but that is actually the obstacle to true connection because we're all imperfect. And so as soon as you're trying to be perfect, you actually create a barrier to the connection that everybody so desperately craves." (Crone, in the episode, around 7:50)

This is a subtle reframing, and it matters for a mother who wants to be present. If perfectionism is a bid for love, then every tired afternoon, every missed detail at dinner, and every half-attended bedtime story becomes a threat to the approval she is working so hard to keep. The mind is busy rehearsing the next task precisely because it believes that getting everything right is the price of being seen. Crone's point is that the price is too high, and that the presence she craves with her daughters is exactly what perfectionism crowds out. He is also careful to say he is not asking her to stop caring. He wants her to notice what the caring is costing.

Crone acknowledges the paradox out loud, with a little humor. He describes how humans often try to show that they are not human, and calls it one of the most ordinary behavioral adaptations we carry. The relief he offers is simple in principle: once a person sees that imperfection is not a disqualification from love, some of the pressure can loosen. He hopes, he says, that listeners can begin to sigh a little within the first few minutes, and that they will recognize that they do not have to be perfect.

Where did the narrative of a dangerous future come from?

When Crone asks where she first formed the story of a long, painful death, Anne locates it in two places: becoming a mother, and a series of miscarriages she experienced. She says she found Crone's work during that difficult stretch, and that it helped her through it. Crone responds simply that he is happy he could help. The exchange is brief, but it carries weight. Pregnancy loss and early motherhood are periods when the future can suddenly feel unsafe, and when the mind starts drafting worst-case scenarios to protect against further hurt. The fear Anne describes did not arise from nowhere. It grew out of real grief, and it has been sustained by the constant vigilance of caring for children.

Later in the conversation, Crone develops this line of thought. He separates the feeling of not being safe, which he calls valid, from the story the mind builds on top of that feeling. Much of the anxiety, in his description, is concern about a future that has not happened yet. He returns to the body's role in this, asking Anne how it registers that worry, and he connects the sense of threat to the way her nervous system has been running. The point is not that her body is failing her. It is that a body under chronic perceived threat behaves exactly the way a body under threat is designed to behave.

What is the difference between choice and "have to"?

Anne tells Crone that she has heard him talk a great deal about the power of choice. She understands it conceptually, she says, but has a hard time embodying it. The distinction she names is between choice and the feeling of having to. That difference becomes emotional when she describes what she does not want for her daughters: she says she does not want them ever to think that she felt she had to parent them. She wants them to know that she had the pleasure of parenting them.

Crone does not simply endorse choice as a philosophical ideal. He offers a both-and alternative. He asks what it would be like if it was a little bit of both, a mixture of choosing and having to, and whether that would be okay. Anne's answer, "Makes me human," is the hinge of the exchange. Once the demand to feel only one way is released, the tension between obligation and desire becomes ordinary rather than shameful. A mother can be tired, responsible, and devoted all at once without needing to resolve the contradiction into a single, pure feeling.

This connects to a phrase Crone returns to in the later portion of the episode, when he speaks about the power of choice and about the pressure to "do do." The implication is that much of what feels like obligation is in fact a sequence of automatic doings, driven by the fear of what happens if they stop. Recognizing that pattern, he suggests, is where the freedom begins.

How can a parent start to work with this?

The conversation shows a pattern that is useful to anyone who feels stretched thin. Start by naming the fear beneath the busyness. Anne's overwhelm was tied to a fear of illness, of dying, and of being unable to protect her children. Until that fear is visible, the to-do list will keep expanding to fill the space it leaves. Next, notice where perfectionism is operating. If the desire to get everything right is really a desire to be loved, then the most useful question is whether the perfection is bringing the connection it promises. Finally, test the binary. Where do you feel you have to, and where do you actually choose? A both-and answer is often closer to the truth than an either-or one.

Crone's core claim is that presence is not something a parent generates by trying harder. It is what becomes possible when the pressure to be flawless no longer governs every moment. The mother who snuggles her daughters while her mind is already at dinner is not failing at love. She is caught in a belief about what love requires, and that belief can be examined.

Where to go from here

If this conversation resonated, the most direct step is to watch the full episode, which runs well over an hour and continues past the portion excerpted here. The excerpt makes clear that Crone moves between health anxiety, perfectionism, the origins of a fearful narrative, and the practice of choice, and the fuller arc is where those threads come together. As you listen, consider three questions. Where did you first learn that being loved depended on getting things right? Which of today's tasks did you actually choose, and which did you do because you felt you had to? And what would your children notice if you were more fully present with them for even ten minutes a day? Those are not conclusions to accept on Crone's word. They are invitations to look at your own experience with the same honesty Anne brought to hers.

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[0:00] Hi, this is Peter Cron and you're

[0:02] listening to Finding Freedom. In this

[0:04] episode, I get to speak with an who, who

[0:07] is dealing with quite a bit of anxiety,

[0:10] particularly as it pertains to her own

[0:12] mortality, worried about death in the

[0:13] future, and exacerbated by the fact that

[0:16] she's a mom of two beautiful girls. It

[0:19] was also cascading into her physiology

[0:21] with some digestive issues impacting her

[0:24] sleep. And as you can imagine, for those

[0:26] of you who struggle with anxiety, which

[0:28] is almost half a billion people around

[0:31] the world, was just leaving her not very

[0:34] present both as a mother with her girls,

[0:36] but also as a human in every walk of

[0:39] life. So whether you be a parent or not,

[0:42] if you're somebody who has a bit of a

[0:43] preoccupation with being concerned for

[0:45] worst case scenarios or worried about

[0:47] your future, then this episode is for

[0:50] you. I hope you enjoy this episode of

[0:53] Finding Freedom.

[0:55] I'm nervous and excited. I'm just really

[0:59] grateful to be able to have this

[1:01] conversation with you.

[1:02] >> Well, I appreciate the kind words and a

[1:05] combination of nerves and excitement is

[1:07] pretty typical. So, you're in the right

[1:08] place. [laughter]

[1:09] >> Thanks.

[1:10] So the first thing is around health

[1:13] anxiety and I fear dying like a slow

[1:21] painful

[1:24] >> um almost like a terminal type illness

[1:27] or disease.

[1:28] >> Yeah.

[1:29] >> And it also extends to my children.

[1:32] >> Okay. Um, like that same fear of them

[1:36] not being well

[1:38] >> or me feeling powerless to make them

[1:42] feel better or [clears throat]

[1:45] >> safe.

[1:46] >> Got it. And then the second thing that I

[1:49] would like some help with is around

[1:52] feeling of overwhelm,

[1:54] just burnout, exhaustion, and like

[1:57] mentally escaping

[1:59] >> and procrastinating and feeling like I'm

[2:02] not fully present.

[2:04] >> So, you know, as a mom of two young

[2:06] kids, two young girls,

[2:09] >> um I'm just kind of living the

[2:11] day-to-day battles and I also work. I

[2:15] have a career outside of the home.

[2:17] >> Okay.

[2:18] >> And so

[2:21] every day kind of just feels a little

[2:23] bit like a marathon. I wake up early,

[2:26] >> you know, all the things needed to get

[2:28] the kids out of the door, school, child

[2:30] care, work, traffic, back home. I get to

[2:34] like snuggle the kids for a few minutes.

[2:38] And I feel like I'm just not mentally

[2:40] present because I'm still thinking of

[2:42] >> Yeah. all the other things, dinner,

[2:46] bedtime, right? And so,

[2:49] >> yeah,

[2:50] >> I just feel like

[2:53] at the end of the day when I lay down to

[2:56] sleep, my body is like vibrating

[3:00] >> and I'm so overstimulated.

[3:02] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[3:04] >> Yeah.

[3:05] >> Okay, I get it. Because you also

[3:06] mentioned in your video that you had

[3:07] been I don't know if it's still the

[3:09] case, but struggling with sleep as well.

[3:11] >> Yes. Yeah, I mean my daughter's eight

[3:14] months old.

[3:15] >> My youngest is eight months old. Um, so

[3:20] I'm doing better with getting sleep, but

[3:24] still also just [clears throat]

[3:26] >> I wake up and mentally think of things

[3:29] and have a hard time falling back

[3:31] asleep.

[3:33] >> Got it. Okay. And is dad in the picture?

[3:36] You have a partner. You're married.

[3:38] >> Yes. Yeah. Married. Dad's in the

[3:40] picture. Dad is amazing, wonderful

[3:44] husband. Like he takes care of so much

[3:46] and he's also feeling the same amount of

[3:50] burnout.

[3:51] >> Yeah.

[3:52] >> Yeah,

[3:52] >> I get it. Okay. Well, first of all,

[3:55] thank you for sharing so honestly and

[3:56] vulnerably and I just have so much

[3:58] respect for parents particularly um more

[4:02] so maybe bias towards moms. I think, you

[4:05] know, uh speaking on behalf of men, uh

[4:08] we don't really get um just the resolve,

[4:12] the resilience, the capacity of a woman,

[4:14] let alone a mother. So, I just hope that

[4:17] you feel seen during this conversation

[4:19] that I really acknowledge in ways that I

[4:21] don't fully understand what it is that

[4:23] you're capable of doing. And so, I can

[4:26] have compassion for your burnout. But um

[4:29] until such time that I am a parent,

[4:31] although I feel that I'm a father to

[4:32] millions in some capacity, [laughter]

[4:34] but I'm not having to change their

[4:36] diapers or feed them. So, um I just I

[4:40] just want to, you know, speak to that

[4:42] and and acknowledge who you are for for

[4:44] your girls and and how you represent,

[4:47] you know, millions of moms out there who

[4:49] will hopefully get something from this

[4:50] conversation.

[4:52] >> Thank you.

[4:53] >> Of course. Um, so, um, you're obviously

[4:58] familiar with my work, otherwise you

[4:59] wouldn't have reached out. What would

[5:01] you say thus far from listening to

[5:03] whether it be, you know, clips on

[5:04] Instagram, Facebook, or listening to

[5:07] some of the other podcasts? Uh, I'm

[5:09] assuming you're at least in freedom,

[5:10] right? Um, the membership. Yeah.

[5:13] >> Uh, have you done a mastermind or no?

[5:15] >> No, I haven't.

[5:17] >> Okay, that's fine. um if ever there's a

[5:20] opportunity to do it, I think, um it's

[5:22] one of those

[5:24] uh programs that I really think is a

[5:26] right of passage for every human being

[5:27] to step out of the world of, you know,

[5:29] limitation, fear, suffering, and disease

[5:31] and scarcity into an entirely new world.

[5:33] So, uh I encourage you and anyone

[5:36] listening, if you're ready to get out of

[5:37] the world of being sick and tired and

[5:39] into a world of freedom, love, and

[5:41] possibility, then the mastermind is it

[5:43] uh categorically. But I just at least

[5:45] want to get a sense of what you're

[5:47] familiar with. Um, based on whatever

[5:50] you've heard me say, how I've helped

[5:51] other people, you know, you strike me as

[5:54] a very smart, astute woman. What would

[5:56] you say could be at the foundation of

[5:59] some of the things that you're dealing

[6:01] with in terms of your worry, overwhelm,

[6:02] and stress?

[6:04] >> So, one of the things that I've heard

[6:07] you talk to a lot is the power of

[6:10] choice. And I understand that

[6:14] conceptually.

[6:16] >> Mhm.

[6:16] >> I just have a hard time embodying it. Um

[6:20] like the choice versus the have to.

[6:23] >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

[6:25] >> And and it's it makes me sad, too,

[6:28] because I don't want my girls to ever

[6:31] think that I felt like I had to parent

[6:35] them. Like I want them to know that I

[6:38] had the pleasure of parenting them.

[6:42] >> Yeah. Well, that's beautiful. And just

[6:44] to sort of maybe take a little bit of

[6:46] the pressure off right out of the gates,

[6:48] what if it was a little bit of both?

[6:51] >> Yeah.

[6:51] >> Would that be okay?

[6:53] >> Yeah.

[6:54] >> Yeah.

[6:55] >> Makes me human.

[6:56] >> Yeah. There you go. I know. Such a I

[6:59] find it so fascinating. again, you know,

[7:00] I write in quotes and I say, you know,

[7:02] one of the characteristics of being

[7:04] human is trying to show that we're not

[7:06] human.

[7:08] [laughter]

[7:10] >> You sort of see the paradox, but anyway,

[7:12] it tends to be one of the behavioral

[7:13] adaptations because we all want to come

[7:15] across as perfect, which is really a

[7:17] behavioral adaptation to trying to be

[7:19] loved and accepted, right? Which

[7:20] >> ironically is the barrier to being loved

[7:22] and accepted because being really human

[7:24] is what allows us to truly connect. So,

[7:26] right out of the gates, you know, within

[7:28] 5 minutes of us chatting, hopefully

[7:30] people can start to sigh a little bit of

[7:32] relief in yourself included and go, "Oh,

[7:35] wait. You're telling me I don't have to

[7:36] be perfect?" You know, not only am I

[7:39] telling you don't have to be perfect,

[7:40] but in fact, being trying to be perfect

[7:41] is the obstacle to what the behavior of

[7:45] perfectionism is trying to attain. Does

[7:48] that make sense? I know that was a a bit

[7:50] high flutin. Meaning perfectionism as a

[7:53] behavior is where we're trying to

[7:55] basically garner something, you know,

[7:56] love and acceptance, be seen in a good

[7:58] light,

[7:59] >> but that is actually the obstacle to

[8:02] true connection because we're all

[8:04] imperfect. And so as soon as you're

[8:06] trying to be perfect, you actually

[8:08] create a barrier to the connection that

[8:09] everybody so desperately craves.

[8:11] >> Yeah. I that resonates and I can feel

[8:14] that. Um

[8:15] >> Yeah.

[8:16] >> Yeah.

[8:16] >> Yeah. So anyway, that's just a little

[8:19] little seed to plant there for you to be

[8:21] able to relax and embrace your humanity.

[8:23] Um, okay. So the long tiresome, awful,

[8:26] suffering induced, gruesome death that

[8:29] is clearly your birthright, where where

[8:32] do you think you where do you think you

[8:34] you created that narrative?

[8:37] Yeah, I think it

[8:40] started

[8:42] when I became a mom and also I think was

[8:46] made worse through a few miscarriages

[8:49] that I had.

[8:50] >> Okay.

[8:51] >> Yeah.

[8:52] >> Yeah. And and I actually found your work

[8:55] during that time when I was going

[8:57] through a few of those miscarriages and

[9:00] um it helped me through that time a lot.

[9:03] >> Okay, good. Happy I could help. And what

[9:06] was it that um gave you the relief or

[9:08] the help?

[9:10] >> You know, it was hard going through the

[9:13] miscarriages

[9:14] physically and emotionally.

[9:17] >> And I

[9:20] struggled with

[9:24] do I really want this? Like do I really

[9:26] want to have a second child? Like I knew

[9:27] I wanted a second child, but I didn't

[9:30] know if physically I wanted to go

[9:33] through it.

[9:34] >> Yeah. to keep trying

[9:37] >> and I put a lot of pressure on myself

[9:42] like I had to decide make a decision of

[9:47] there was a choice I had to make. Do I

[9:48] want to keep trying? Do I want my family

[9:50] to expand

[9:52] >> or do I want to say no, I don't want to

[9:56] keep trying. I'm okay. I only have one

[9:58] child. Like that's good. That's enough

[9:59] for me. I'm happy.

[10:01] >> Yeah. And it was it felt like a lot of

[10:04] pressure where I was the one who had to

[10:07] make that decision because my husband

[10:09] was very much whatever you want.

[10:12] >> Yeah.

[10:12] >> And and I put that pressure on myself.

[10:17] Um and then so like kind of where your

[10:19] work helped me like the aha moment was

[10:22] that [clears throat]

[10:23] >> it's not actually up to me. It's like

[10:27] whatever is meant to be will end up

[10:30] happening. Yeah.

[10:32] >> What's meant for me will come to me what

[10:34] in whatever way it does. So I was able

[10:38] to kind of take that pressure off of

[10:40] myself and say, "Okay,

[10:44] I'm willing to try and if it doesn't

[10:47] happen, that is what's meant to happen

[10:50] and that's for my highest good."

[10:53] >> Yeah. So that's kind of and then like

[10:56] that moment took so much pressure off of

[11:00] the trying that I did have one more

[11:03] miscarriage that next month, but then

[11:05] like a couple months after I ended up

[11:07] >> Yeah.

[11:07] >> becoming pregnant.

[11:09] >> Amazing. Well, I'm I'm glad that uh

[11:12] whatever it is that you heard or

[11:13] whatever I shared that it sort of got

[11:15] distilled down to your own understanding

[11:17] of, you know, like why I said earlier,

[11:18] profound acceptance, right? to be okay

[11:20] well if this is meant to happen um then

[11:23] it will if it's not it won't and you

[11:25] know your opportunity is to be in

[11:26] harmony with that versus resistance

[11:28] right and obviously the more resistance

[11:31] you have to life the less likely things

[11:34] that we want to happen are going to

[11:35] happen because we're in conflict right

[11:37] so certainly in the delicate sensitive

[11:40] arena of ushering a new soul into this

[11:43] planet if you have resistance in your

[11:46] body it becomes a uninviting environment

[11:49] for a soul, you know. So, the

[11:51] miscarriages to me make sense. So, okay,

[11:54] maybe you had one more as you said, but

[11:55] you were starting to soften to the the

[11:58] idea at least that okay, well, if I sort

[12:01] of let go and let God, as some people

[12:03] say, you know, and if it's meant to be,

[12:04] it will. So, I think it's important for

[12:06] you to understand that energetically

[12:08] because of the concerns you have around,

[12:11] you know, health, anxiety, and sleep,

[12:14] right? So wherever there's this sort of

[12:16] um resistance and fight or flight that

[12:19] is in An's nervous system, the more

[12:22] likely you're going to be experiencing

[12:23] the suffering and physiological

[12:25] ramifications of that.

[12:28] >> So that's beautiful. Let's go to

[12:29] childhood

[12:31] >> where you know, as you know, most of

[12:32] these patterns get created and without

[12:35] any fingerpointing towards mom or dad,

[12:37] you know, they're doing their part.

[12:39] describe your childhood in a way that

[12:41] maybe could point to some of the fears,

[12:44] anxieties that you're experiencing now.

[12:48] >> So, I love my parents very much. Um,

[12:52] they are super generous, helpful,

[12:56] very kind, caring, and loving. Um,

[13:00] they're still together, and they live

[13:03] nearby. Um, so I see them often.

[13:06] >> Um, great. But yeah, there there were

[13:09] things that I could speak to. So, um I

[13:14] mean my mom, her personality, she's like

[13:17] a perfe per perfectionist. She's

[13:19] organized. She's

[13:22] >> um always getting things done. She's

[13:24] like a boss. Um and exactly. And I think

[13:31] that like from a very young age, I was

[13:33] always compared to her. we look similar

[13:37] >> and and she was like the golden child,

[13:40] the the one in her family who

[13:44] >> um

[13:46] got everything right. Um, so I think

[13:49] that

[13:50] >> I was compared, my dad compared me to

[13:53] her a lot and just like everyone just

[13:55] always hearing it around family and I

[13:57] always thought it was a good thing,

[13:59] >> but I think it puts pressure like it put

[14:01] the pressure on me to

[14:03] >> Yeah.

[14:04] >> to perform.

[14:06] >> Um,

[14:07] >> and then my dad,

[14:09] >> how did that just to stay with your mom

[14:10] for now? How did that manifest? Was it

[14:13] was with with schools, with looks, with

[14:15] um athletics or all the above? Like

[14:17] where did you feel the pressure to

[14:19] perform?

[14:20] >> Mostly with school and work.

[14:23] >> Okay, got it.

[14:24] >> Okay. And then with dad.

[14:26] >> Yeah. So dad

[14:29] I would say is kind of has like two

[14:32] sides to his personality.

[14:34] >> He again can be very kind, generous,

[14:38] helpful,

[14:40] hardworking.

[14:42] >> Mhm. And he also could get very angry,

[14:48] dismissive,

[14:49] impatient.

[14:51] >> Um, and he he would say things when he

[14:55] was angry that were dismissive and

[15:00] demeaning and just not true.

[15:03] >> Yeah.

[15:04] >> And I kind of liken it to a grown man

[15:07] having a tantrum.

[15:09] Um, and I think that like the way my mom

[15:12] and dad kind of interacted in that time,

[15:16] I would say it was almost like he was

[15:18] over there having a tantrum and my mom

[15:20] was kind of just like ignoring it. Like

[15:22] I can't change his behavior, so I'm just

[15:25] going to ignore it and

[15:28] and you know, when he's over it, we'll

[15:31] get along and everything will be fine.

[15:33] >> Okay, got it. And was it just you? Did

[15:35] you have siblings?

[15:37] >> I have a younger brother.

[15:39] Okay. How much younger?

[15:41] >> He's three years younger.

[15:43] >> Okay. So, we get a sense of So, what do

[15:46] you think you garnered in terms of

[15:47] behavioral adaptations or patterns that

[15:49] you would have learned from those two

[15:52] care providers? And again, this is not

[15:54] um you know, I never am in the world of

[15:56] bash mom and dad. In fact, it's quite

[15:57] the antithesis. You know, it's like

[15:59] loving mom and dad because you you chose

[16:01] them, right? So, they served a purpose

[16:02] for you. So, no mom or dad in my world,

[16:05] at least in terms of this work, is at

[16:08] fault. They're just a human being doing

[16:10] the best they can. But what what do you

[16:12] think your conditioning and your

[16:14] programming uh looks like because of th

[16:18] those two people and the environment you

[16:19] grew up in?

[16:25] >> Well, the first thing that's coming to

[16:27] mind is a bit of like it's unsafe for me

[16:30] to have big emotions.

[16:33] Yeah, that's the big one I hear. Which

[16:35] will also, by the way, you can probably

[16:37] make the correlation immediately. If

[16:38] we're unsafe, how do we feel

[16:42] >> like as an emotion? If you don't feel

[16:44] safe, if you feel

[16:47] >> scared.

[16:48] >> Scared. Exactly. Yeah. So, I want

[16:50] everyone to understand that the the

[16:51] deepest level of who we are on the human

[16:54] uh experience, there's two predominant

[16:56] emotions, which is hurt and scared.

[16:59] hurt really is a reflection of our

[17:01] history, you know, where we've all been

[17:02] hurt and some people like, you know,

[17:04] really in a a horrific tragic way

[17:07] physically people get hurt, kids. But

[17:10] then as a result, it creates the fear

[17:12] which is we're scared.

[17:14] >> So immediately I I recognize that you've

[17:16] got both because everybody does, but I

[17:19] also want to find which one is

[17:20] predominant. And when you deal with

[17:22] anxiety, it's more the scared. So, you

[17:24] weren't safe to have, you know, these

[17:26] big emotions, which every kid's going to

[17:28] have. What else? Like, what what else

[17:30] would you say falls in the bucket of not

[17:32] feeling safe?

[17:37] >> I'm not going to be okay.

[17:40] >> Yeah.

[17:41] >> Yeah. I What I hear is especially if you

[17:43] said dad had two sides, which is a

[17:45] little murial, which is every human

[17:46] being, especially parents. But for that

[17:48] little girl, if we try and tap into her

[17:50] experience, what I hear is

[17:53] >> there would have been that sort of

[17:54] anticipation energy, right? Like, you

[17:56] know, what am I coming home to? Oh, mom

[17:59] just said something that you typically

[18:01] know would create a reaction in dad. Is

[18:02] he now going to get angry?

[18:04] >> So, it sort of leaves a kid with this uh

[18:07] vigilance mindset, right? Like always

[18:10] looking out for what might happen. Does

[18:12] that make sense?

[18:13] >> Yes.

[18:14] >> Now, feel that in your body. like you

[18:16] know you had a bit of an exhale there

[18:17] but like feel that in your body if

[18:19] you're constantly looking out for

[18:21] potential worst case scenarios like how

[18:23] does that leave you feeling

[18:25] >> feel [clears throat] like I can't relax

[18:27] >> yeah can't can't breathe you know

[18:29] there's a tightness there's a tension in

[18:31] your body

[18:32] >> yeah so it makes sense in terms of the

[18:34] conditioning and the pattern all we're

[18:36] working with here is

[18:38] >> you know the programming that we create

[18:42] courtesy of the environment we we grow

[18:44] up in which I would assert But at a much

[18:46] more powerful level, we designed, right?

[18:48] We we wanted it that way. So, and at

[18:52] some level may not seem like it makes

[18:54] sense, but you wanted as a soul to

[18:57] experience the feeling of uh

[19:00] anticipatory anxiety like what's going

[19:03] to happen.

[19:04] >> Okay. Which creates the tension, the

[19:06] worry. And then what are some of the

[19:08] ways that you mitigate that? Like what

[19:09] are some of the ways that you've learned

[19:11] to deal with that?

[19:12] >> I plan.

[19:14] I [laughter]

[19:16] [gasps]

[19:16] >> try to get as much information as

[19:18] possible so that I know what's going to

[19:21] happen.

[19:22] >> Yeah, makes sense. Very logical, very

[19:25] smart. Yeah. So, planning, control,

[19:28] manipulation, speculation, prediction,

[19:31] all of these things that humans develop

[19:32] are typically built on the foundation of

[19:35] concerns for a future that hasn't

[19:37] happened yet, but we want to as best as

[19:39] possible avoid or mitigate, right? So

[19:42] that very dynamic I want you to see is

[19:44] if you're looking through the lens of

[19:46] there's something bad that is

[19:48] potentially going to happen. I'm going

[19:49] to do everything I can to, you know, um,

[19:53] reconcile, mitigate it. But if you're

[19:55] looking through the lens of your future

[19:58] is filled with things that might go

[20:01] wrong or be threatening, how does that

[20:02] leave you in the moment?

[20:05] >> I don't want I'm fearful of the future.

[20:09] >> Yeah. So on the scale of you know all

[20:12] the different expressions of fear like

[20:14] you have your anxiety that you

[20:16] experience right so whether it's about

[20:19] what's going to happen to your kids your

[20:21] girls what's going to happen to you you

[20:23] know there may be some little anecdotal

[20:25] stuff you might be worried about your

[20:26] husband there could be stuff about

[20:28] finances you know any of that which is a

[20:30] futurebased orientation of something

[20:33] that we don't want is going to create

[20:35] anxiety

[20:37] >> right do you see that

[20:38] >> so basic Basically, you know, I say past

[20:40] hurt informs future fear, which you may

[20:42] have heard me say before, but so past

[20:44] hurt, you've seen dad have tantrums.

[20:46] You've got into trouble. Uh I don't

[20:49] doesn't sound like you were ever hit,

[20:50] but maybe you were disciplined or you

[20:52] know that dismissive energy for a kid is

[20:54] is you know, emotionally probably worse

[20:56] than being physically hit, but you know,

[20:58] then that hurt starts to become a

[21:02] a justification for why now we're

[21:05] worried about what might happen in the

[21:07] future, right? Which creates fear,

[21:08] right? Do you see that?

[21:10] >> Yes.

[21:11] >> So, regardless of what you've been

[21:13] through, and I don't want to dismiss any

[21:15] of it, how do we know that your concern

[21:19] for your own safety, whilst valid, is

[21:23] unnecessary?

[21:30] >> Because I am safe now.

[21:33] >> Correct. Because you're here, [laughter]

[21:35] >> right? And it's so obvious, right? be

[21:38] when it's ingrained we forget that oh we

[21:41] made it right so even in the face of our

[21:43] own fear of our own in this case you

[21:46] know it can be perceived as

[21:48] life-threatening some people really go

[21:50] into very scary situations as a child so

[21:52] their fear could be quite literal about

[21:54] death you know I don't anticipate that's

[21:57] really what you've created your fear is

[21:59] more to do with a general feeling of

[22:01] just being safe in the home right

[22:04] >> but when we look at it like very very

[22:06] categorically

[22:08] We know that the fear of not being safe,

[22:11] as I said, whilst valid is unnecessary

[22:15] because you're here. You made it.

[22:18] >> Yeah.

[22:19] >> So, when when you look at that

[22:21] immediately, what I'm not saying that

[22:23] that's going to mitigate all of your

[22:24] anxiety, but what could you see from

[22:26] that?

[22:34] that

[22:37] my mind is making up

[22:41] kind of the worst case and I'm

[22:48] [snorts] getting fearful of just what my

[22:51] mind is creating.

[22:53] >> Yeah. Welcome to being human. Now you

[22:54] know why people on so many prescription

[22:56] drugs or self-medicated with weed and

[22:59] alcohol, right? Yeah. So beautifully

[23:01] seen. That's metacognition. your ability

[23:03] to reflect on your own thinking. Right?

[23:06] So yeah, you again my quote that comes

[23:08] to mind, I say you can't help but laugh

[23:10] when you realize the only thing

[23:11] upsetting you is your own imagination.

[23:14] >> Yeah.

[23:16] >> Now we want to have compassion for that

[23:18] and it's as I said it's valid to have

[23:21] these concerns. It's just no longer

[23:24] necessary as an adult. Right? Meaning

[23:27] the the child part of you when hearing

[23:30] bangs, arguments, fights, dad being

[23:33] whatever, upset for a child that is a

[23:35] scary environment to be in.

[23:37] >> Regardless of whether a kid is

[23:38] disciplined, hit, dismissed, whatever,

[23:40] emotionally abused, physically abused,

[23:43] it's still scary. So, as a mother, you

[23:47] know, you've got your girl's eight-month

[23:49] and how old is your first?

[23:51] >> She's five.

[23:52] >> Five. Okay. Beautiful. So, she's going

[23:54] to, you know, already start to have her

[23:56] own conditioning at that age because

[23:58] she's got language. And when you have

[24:00] language, you start to create stories

[24:02] and that becomes part of your

[24:03] programming and, you know, nothing

[24:05] wrong, nothing for you to worry about.

[24:06] It's her journey. But you're going to

[24:09] see a very sensitive child there and

[24:11] she's going to be upset about whatever

[24:13] she's upset about, right? And and that's

[24:15] going to continue for many years to come

[24:16] because that's part of her journey.

[24:19] >> Yeah. So the more that you can find your

[24:21] version,

[24:23] reconcile, transcend it, the greater uh

[24:26] gift you are to your daughters. Okay?

[24:29] And that's not as a form of pressure.

[24:31] That's a form of opportunity, right?

[24:33] Because beyond I totally get that you

[24:36] want to be an amazing mom, but I think

[24:38] first and foremost, I want to help you

[24:40] to find that relief for yourself, you

[24:42] know?

[24:43] >> Yeah.

[24:45] So having witnessed that with your mom

[24:47] and dad, we can see they're not safe.

[24:49] That's definitely one of the worlds that

[24:50] you live in. What is it particularly do

[24:53] you think about the vision of this slow

[24:55] grueling death? Did you witness that?

[24:58] Was it an uncle, an aunt, a friend? Did

[25:00] you hear of other friends parents who

[25:02] were struggling or sick? You know,

[25:08] >> anything come to mind? So, not family,

[25:15] but I guess like the like this is going

[25:20] to be so silly, but it's like my cat

[25:22] died.

[25:23] >> Yeah.

[25:23] >> Really young.

[25:25] >> Yeah.

[25:25] >> And

[25:27] my cat was like three years old and I

[25:29] was just out of college and

[25:33] this was the cat like that I got. Um, so

[25:36] it wasn't like the family cat. Um, and

[25:39] it it was like kidney disease or

[25:42] something that he had and it was slow

[25:45] and that was really heartbreaking for

[25:49] me. But I think that that's probably the

[25:51] only thing that I I would say is simil

[25:54] close to what you were asking about.

[25:56] >> Okay. No, and that's totally

[25:57] appropriate. I mean, it's a sentient

[25:59] being. It's somebody that meant

[26:00] something to you. So, it's not family,

[26:01] but I would say our animals sometimes

[26:03] can be more family than family.

[26:06] You know, I know people who who with all

[26:08] due respect love their dogs more than

[26:09] they love their siblings or their

[26:11] parents. So, you know, it's okay. Um,

[26:14] yeah. So, what was So, what was your

[26:16] experience witnessing your cat go

[26:18] through what it was going through?

[26:20] >> Well, I felt helpless.

[26:21] >> Yeah, that's what

[26:22] >> And I felt like I was trying so hard to

[26:26] not have the inevitable end come.

[26:30] >> Yeah. Got it. Yeah. It's a horrible

[26:32] feeling. So when you feel helpless or

[26:33] what I was feeling in you was powerless

[26:35] like there's

[26:36] >> you're trying to do everything you can

[26:37] but it doesn't seem to really be you

[26:40] know rectifying whatever the situation

[26:41] is. I mean, I'm sure you did the best to

[26:44] prolong the cat's life, but

[26:46] >> at the end of the day, um, you know, the

[26:49] feeling of powerlessness and

[26:50] hopelessness that we have as humans,

[26:53] I would argue is one of the the worst,

[26:56] right? Because we feel so weak. We feel

[26:58] so small. Um, and we feel so

[27:01] insufficient in the way that we, you

[27:04] know, have to deal with life. So, I get

[27:05] that.

[27:06] >> Yeah.

[27:06] >> Um,

[27:07] >> okay. So, now we're starting to get a

[27:09] picture. Yeah. Go ahead. Um and like

[27:11] similarly I had an experience when my

[27:14] daughter was two

[27:15] >> where she had an allergic reaction to a

[27:19] medicine.

[27:20] >> Okay.

[27:20] >> And so it was a scary experience for me.

[27:24] Her whole body swelled up. She was

[27:27] covered in hives and it wasn't a

[27:29] histamine reaction. So

[27:32] >> typical like benadryil or EpiPen

[27:34] wouldn't work.

[27:35] >> So it was just taking time for the

[27:38] medicine to leave her body. So it was

[27:40] like a 5day period of really intense

[27:44] discomfort.

[27:45] >> Yeah.

[27:45] >> And she was two, so she had words, but I

[27:50] remember clearly her saying to me like,

[27:52] "Take it off." And she was referring to

[27:55] like her feet cuz her feet were so

[27:57] swollen that it like hurt so bad. And so

[28:01] >> it was heartbreaking to like not be able

[28:04] to

[28:05] >> Yeah.

[28:06] >> fix it.

[28:08] >> Yeah, I get it. Okay, I can relate as

[28:11] somebody who's witnessed a lot of

[28:12] suffering, especially in parents and

[28:14] wanting to be able to do whatever we can

[28:16] to help, which is beautiful and well

[28:18] intended, but I think there's a much

[28:20] more powerful lesson for you here. So,

[28:22] okay. So, we've got the not safe as it

[28:25] relates to future. You know, you've

[28:27] already said the term, but what is the

[28:28] concern as it relates to the future that

[28:31] you're not what

[28:32] >> going to be okay?

[28:34] >> Yeah, you're not going to be okay. And

[28:36] then there's this you know fundamental

[28:38] very human experience of helplessness

[28:40] and powerlessness. So if we sort of

[28:42] focus on those three arenas.

[28:45] >> So the not safe we've kind of touched on

[28:48] we'll come back to it but why do we know

[28:49] the feeling of not safe is valid but not

[28:53] necessary?

[28:54] >> We already touched on it but

[28:56] >> because I am safe and I'm here.

[28:58] >> Yeah. Um you look great. We're having a

[29:01] conversation and as far as I know you're

[29:04] in, you know, good health. [laughter]

[29:07] And then now let's look at the not going

[29:09] to be okay.

[29:11] Where do you have evidence that you're

[29:13] not going to be okay?

[29:20] >> Well, it's in the past. It's evidence

[29:23] from the past.

[29:25] >> So, give me an example.

[29:28] Um,

[29:30] so

[29:32] there are a few times when I've

[29:34] struggled with some health things,

[29:36] right? So miscarriages.

[29:38] >> Yeah.

[29:38] >> And then like during pregnancy,

[29:41] >> um, like

[29:44] pregnancy was physically challenging for

[29:46] my body and

[29:47] >> Yeah.

[29:47] >> Um, high blood pressure. Um,

[29:51] >> Mhm. I've had like some gut issues that

[29:57] kind of come and go. So like a

[30:00] >> um IBS type symptoms every now and then.

[30:03] >> Yeah. Okay. So looking at those main

[30:06] three. So the miscarriage is no doubt

[30:08] like very trying and hard and physically

[30:11] you know uh discomforting and

[30:13] emotionally challenging and then you

[30:16] know the gut issues that you had and

[30:18] then pregnancy itself being hard. Now,

[30:21] so in no way to dismiss any of those,

[30:26] why are they not evidence that you're

[30:28] not going to be okay?

[30:32] >> Because

[30:35] I was I am okay now. So I clearly

[30:39] >> I'm fine now.

[30:41] >> Exactly. So you know, it's a little bit

[30:43] of a trick question. Not my first rodeo,

[30:45] right? Like I'm helping your brain to

[30:47] get beyond its own stories, right? So if

[30:49] we can get beyond pretense, facade and

[30:52] lies, which is what the ego is built

[30:53] upon, and we start to look at truth and

[30:56] in no way to invalidate, you know, the

[30:58] discomfort of a miscarriage, the sadness

[30:59] of a miscarriage, the disappointment,

[31:01] and in no way to at all dismiss, you

[31:04] know, the the exhaustion that is

[31:06] associated with pregnancy, especially if

[31:08] it's tough in the first trimester or

[31:10] beyond with vomiting and, you know,

[31:12] cravings and and and crazy stuff that

[31:14] you ladies have to go through. But none

[31:17] of the things that you listed give me

[31:18] evidence that you're not going to be

[31:20] okay.

[31:22] It just shows me quite the antithesis.

[31:24] Why why could I say it actually shows me

[31:26] the opposite?

[31:28] >> Because in the face of those hard

[31:31] things, I am now like I am okay. So,

[31:35] >> well, there you have it. [laughter]

[31:39] She's like, "Damn,

[31:41] by the minute." [laughter]

[31:44] >> Right.

[31:46] Yeah. What's what's funny is

[31:50] if you hadn't had miscarriages, if your

[31:52] pregnancy had been really easy, your

[31:55] births were effortless, if you didn't

[31:57] have any kind of health issues, gut or

[31:59] otherwise, I would actually say your

[32:02] concern for not being okay would be more

[32:04] valid

[32:06] >> because you haven't had to face any

[32:08] adversity. Do you see?

[32:10] >> Yeah, I see.

[32:11] The expression that comes to mind is

[32:13] smooth seas never made a good sailor.

[32:15] Right? So we could argue that your

[32:17] absence of smooth seas, meaning all the

[32:19] things you've been through, are the

[32:21] contributing factor to you being a

[32:23] pretty extraordinary human.

[32:26] >> At least you have evidence that you can

[32:28] handle

[32:30] >> Yeah. And

[32:35] it's hard though for me to

[32:39] kind of accept that because

[32:42] I want like a life of ease.

[32:45] >> I get it. We're working on it. Don't

[32:47] worry.

[32:48] >> Yeah.

[32:48] >> I want you to consider that

[32:51] >> it's the laws of opposites, right? So,

[32:53] meaning I understand and have absolute

[32:56] compassion for the validity of the

[32:58] concern based on what you've been

[32:59] through. If somebody goes through

[33:00] hardship, you know, emotionally and

[33:02] physically for you, right? It's the

[33:03] combination. Then it only makes sense

[33:05] because the brain is designed to predict

[33:07] and protect that you're going to be

[33:09] looking out for the potentiality of

[33:12] those hard things happening again,

[33:14] >> right?

[33:15] >> Logical, right? But that is the

[33:17] self-fulfilling prophecy of the mind. So

[33:20] meaning when we are in an avoidance

[33:23] state, we're looking at a future where

[33:25] there's the potentiality of worst case

[33:27] scenarios. We put oursel in a state of

[33:30] anxiety now, worry, fear, apprehension,

[33:33] right? It's a gradient of, you know,

[33:34] terror obviously being the worst. Like

[33:37] if somebody's really in a horrible

[33:38] situation, someone's come in with a

[33:40] knife or a gun, you know, and it's like

[33:42] they're not hurt yet, but the mind is

[33:44] going to be in terror for their life,

[33:45] right?

[33:46] >> Yours, okay, maybe not terror, but

[33:48] there's definitely a little bit of

[33:50] anxiety and fear and worry, right? These

[33:52] are very valid and they're part of the

[33:53] human experience.

[33:55] But when you're in a state of worry,

[33:58] anxiety, fear over, as you just, you

[34:02] know, very astutely recognized, your own

[34:04] imagination, your own mind projecting, a

[34:07] future that hasn't happened yet.

[34:10] What that means is that emotionally,

[34:12] intellectually, and physiologically,

[34:14] you're in a state of mild to severe

[34:16] tension.

[34:20] When you're in a state of mild to severe

[34:22] tension, then that's your experience of

[34:25] life.

[34:27] Do you see?

[34:28] >> I see it. Yeah.

[34:31] >> If you're in that state, mild to severe

[34:34] state of, you know, fear, anxiety,

[34:36] tension, resistance, how effortless is

[34:40] life?

[34:41] >> It's not.

[34:42] >> It's not right. So you want a life of

[34:44] ease whilst unconsciously maintaining a

[34:48] life of disease.

[34:50] >> Mhm.

[34:51] >> Do you see?

[34:52] >> Yep. I see that.

[34:54] >> Welcome to the human predicament. Right.

[34:56] >> Yeah.

[34:57] >> No, but I really, really, really want to

[34:59] feel at ease and effortless and I'm

[35:01] trying really hard to get there.

[35:03] [laughter]

[35:03] [gasps and clears throat]

[35:04] >> So,

[35:05] >> yeah. And it's not your fault, right?

[35:07] I'm playing with you because this is

[35:08] going to I think be relatively

[35:10] short-lived in terms of you seeing

[35:12] because you're smart and go oh my gosh I

[35:14] you know you've already recognized it's

[35:15] your own mind that's creating your state

[35:17] of tension or resistance.

[35:20] So when we look at you know the future

[35:22] through the lens of I'm not going to be

[35:23] okay you have no choice that you know

[35:25] going back to choice there is no choice

[35:28] you have to be in some state of

[35:30] apprehension

[35:31] >> because your brain is predicting you

[35:33] know what's going to happen it could be

[35:35] as subtle as are my kids going to be

[35:36] okay am I going to be okay am I going to

[35:38] sleep tonight you know the the dinner

[35:40] the laundry the all the things that

[35:42] you're doing are what's creating in real

[35:45] time in present state a feeling of

[35:48] resistance and disease

[35:50] over things that are not currently in

[35:52] your control.

[35:55] >> Right?

[35:58] So, let's deal with the first one. I

[36:01] totally get being brought up in an

[36:03] environment where one or both parents

[36:04] had, you know, these tantrums or

[36:06] unexpected emotional outbursts. That's

[36:09] scary for a kid. I get it. But we've

[36:13] already seen that feeling not safe,

[36:15] whilst valid, isn't accurate. So

[36:20] is it true an that you are literally not

[36:23] safe?

[36:26] >> No.

[36:27] >> No. So now just with me right now in the

[36:32] absence of the story that you're not

[36:34] safe whilst appropriate for your younger

[36:36] self, but right now as an adult if

[36:39] that's gone, you couldn't relate to

[36:41] present life, present time through the

[36:44] lens of you're not safe.

[36:47] How would you feel?

[37:00] >> Um, well, free. Uh,

[37:03] >> okay. That's a good

[37:05] >> live, joyful.

[37:08] >> Um,

[37:10] >> careful. That sounds like a life of

[37:12] ease.

[37:14] [laughter]

[37:16] Yeah,

[37:16] >> these things happen quite quickly. So,

[37:18] yeah, free,

[37:20] at ease, alive. Yeah.

[37:24] >> Relaxed. Okay, good. So,

[37:26] how does that hit your body? You You

[37:29] literally can't relate to life like

[37:31] you're not safe. Cuz even in the face of

[37:33] everything you've gone through, you have

[37:34] evidence. You have a track record that

[37:36] you figure it out. I'm not saying what

[37:38] you went through was easy. I'm not

[37:39] saying it's a personal preference. I'm

[37:41] not saying it's subjectively what you

[37:43] want to experience again, but you made

[37:45] it, right?

[37:47] >> So, you actually have evidence to the

[37:49] contrary of feeling not safe. So, that's

[37:52] gone. You're like, "Oh, no matter what

[37:54] happens and can handle it. Doesn't mean

[37:56] I want to, but I will." Knowing that,

[37:59] how does that hit your body that you're

[38:00] no longer even in the realm of being not

[38:04] safe?

[38:05] >> Well, the first word that came to mind

[38:06] was powerful.

[38:08] >> Whoops. Yeah. Now we're dealing with the

[38:09] powerless part. [laughter]

[38:12] [gasps]

[38:13] >> Yeah.

[38:13] >> Right. Yeah.

[38:15] >> Amazing. Yeah. You are powerful. You're

[38:17] first of all without, you know, with no

[38:19] disrespect to my fellow brothers, you're

[38:21] a woman. You're a mother.

[38:22] >> I don't know a more powerful species out

[38:25] there, you know.

[38:27] >> Yeah.

[38:27] >> Or part of the species. Yeah. I actually

[38:32] like um

[38:34] I had a really great child birth

[38:36] experience with my second daughter

[38:39] >> and I was so present

[38:42] >> and I just felt so powerful

[38:46] >> through that.

[38:48] >> Um and it was such a high

[38:51] >> like I just remember thinking this is

[38:54] the best experience of my life. like how

[38:58] powerful I felt and

[39:01] >> it was so cool.

[39:03] >> I I again I mean I I just as I said at

[39:06] the beginning I I tip my cap and have so

[39:08] much reverence for the feminine let

[39:10] alone for moms and I've heard that so

[39:12] many times for the woman as their

[39:14] experience of child birth is power the

[39:16] power of the feminine to literally give

[39:19] life

[39:20] >> like you give life.

[39:23] So if you really look at that as a

[39:24] mantra like you know that who you are

[39:27] your birthright is the creation of life

[39:30] itself.

[39:31] >> Wow.

[39:33] >> What does that how did that hit you?

[39:35] >> That's really cool.

[39:38] Like I would love to be able to embody

[39:41] that more.

[39:43] >> Yeah. Well you put your hand on your

[39:44] chest like that hit your heart, right?

[39:46] >> Yeah.

[39:49] >> Yeah.

[39:49] >> Yeah. So now think about it in terms of

[39:53] your own younger self. You've got two

[39:54] daughters. So you got perfect role

[39:56] models and teachers and archetypes to be

[39:58] able to look at the young an and if who

[40:01] you are as a mother

[40:03] is

[40:06] bestowed with the power of giving life

[40:09] and that's a big umbrella, right? To

[40:11] give life can be literal like you birth

[40:13] moms birth every child on the planet.

[40:16] But there's also give life in terms of

[40:18] like nourishment, right? Whether it be

[40:20] breastfeeding at the beginning, cooking,

[40:22] feeding, but it's also give life in

[40:24] terms of what I would say is for a child

[40:27] to really feel seen, to feel heard, to

[40:29] feel held.

[40:31] >> Yeah.

[40:32] >> Now, if that's coursing through every

[40:34] cell of your body and that's who you

[40:35] are,

[40:37] what is your feeling to your younger

[40:39] self?

[40:45] So that my younger self wants to feel

[40:49] seen.

[40:50] >> Yeah.

[40:50] >> And known

[40:51] >> and held.

[40:53] >> Yeah.

[40:53] >> Yeah.

[40:54] >> And now can you see that you have that

[40:56] capacity in you as an adult, as a woman,

[40:59] as a mother?

[41:02] >> Yeah.

[41:02] >> And again, this is no slight towards

[41:04] your mom and dad, but your mom was

[41:05] preoccupied with obviously her own fears

[41:07] of inadequacy, the perfectionism, doing

[41:10] everything. To me, what I hear is, you

[41:12] know, deep feelings of inadequacy. I

[41:14] don't know what her parents were like,

[41:16] but she was obviously trying to become a

[41:19] perfectionist as a behavioral adaptation

[41:22] to some deeper feeling of like being

[41:24] less than somehow, right?

[41:27] >> So that's that's a subtle another

[41:29] component of your childhood that I want

[41:31] to touch on. If you're in the arena of a

[41:33] woman, particularly your mom, who is

[41:36] always

[41:37] like focused towards appearance and

[41:41] perfectionism,

[41:42] what did that make you feel as a young

[41:44] girl?

[41:50] >> That I also had to be perfect. Um,

[41:53] >> yeah.

[41:55] >> And what does that feel like in your

[41:56] body if you have to be perfect?

[42:02] that I'm

[42:05] maybe that I'm not perfect.

[42:07] >> Yeah. And if you're feeling as a as a

[42:09] child not perfect, how does that feel?

[42:11] Like what do like you're in an arena

[42:13] where you have to be perfect but you're

[42:14] not like what do you feel in your body?

[42:19] >> Like having to perform. I feel um

[42:24] >> worried.

[42:26] >> Worried. Yeah. What about the word that

[42:28] comes to mind is pressure. That's what I

[42:30] feel like a lot of pressure.

[42:31] >> Pressure. Yeah, definitely.

[42:33] >> Now, if you combine anxiety and

[42:34] pressure, if we just look at this

[42:36] anatomically, physiologically, you said

[42:38] you've had some gut issues. I don't know

[42:39] anything about it, but I guarantee you

[42:41] like the IBS, what happens is if you

[42:43] think of your digestive system as it is,

[42:46] which is a cylinder from mouth to anus

[42:48] is basically a long tube, you know, it

[42:50] goes through the esophagus, our small

[42:52] intestines, um, well, our stomach, our

[42:54] small intestines, then we go to the

[42:56] colon and da da da. So, think about it.

[42:58] If your system is under a little bit of

[43:01] anxiety or a lot of anxiety and a lot of

[43:03] pressure, what happens to the contents

[43:05] of the tube?

[43:07] >> Well, there's no room. It gets squished

[43:11] >> pretty quickly, right?

[43:13] >> Yeah. So that as a simplified

[43:15] understanding of what goes on for a lot

[43:17] of people's you know digestive tract is

[43:19] because the anatomy that they're

[43:22] that is their their body their meat suit

[43:25] is in an environment because I talk

[43:27] about how the mind is around the body

[43:29] where they feel pressure or anxiety

[43:32] which then creates the anatomical

[43:34] disease. Right? So if we're in an

[43:36] emotional state of absence of ease we're

[43:38] in a state of disease which then

[43:40] eventually will cascade into our body.

[43:41] Does that make sense?

[43:43] So can you see a young girl in an

[43:45] environment where she doesn't feel safe?

[43:47] That's anxiety and scared which then you

[43:50] know is what we call fight or flight

[43:52] sympathetic nervous system means your

[43:54] digestion is not important right because

[43:56] if you're running away from like a

[43:58] saber-tooth tiger you don't need to you

[44:00] know digest your nachos. Right. Right.

[44:03] >> Not that they had nachos back in the day

[44:05] of saber-tooth tigers but you get the

[44:06] point. [laughter and gasps] And then you

[44:08] know if you're also feeling pressured to

[44:10] perform now that's contributing and

[44:13] adding to the anxiety right.

[44:15] >> Yeah.

[44:16] >> Yeah. So what I hear is you know in the

[44:19] realm of both your dad sort of a little

[44:21] unsafe and mom having to be a

[44:23] perfectionist now we start to see you

[44:26] know this curated conditioning of an

[44:28] which is I have to appear a certain way

[44:31] but I'm also worried that if I don't and

[44:33] I'm also worried for my own safety right

[44:35] you you start to get the world of it

[44:37] right

[44:38] >> yes

[44:40] >> okay so the dad part we've kind of

[44:41] looked at is it true that you're not

[44:43] safe no like how do we know well because

[44:45] I made it. I'm here.

[44:47] >> And actually, you started to tap into

[44:48] what I would say is your birthright,

[44:50] which is you're powerful. There's

[44:51] nothing you can't handle.

[44:53] >> Yeah.

[44:53] >> That's very different though, isn't it?

[44:55] >> Yeah.

[44:57] [laughter]

[44:58] >> And then secondly, perfectionism.

[45:01] I want to find a slightly different way

[45:02] of articulating this for you. If you're

[45:04] having to be perfect, what are you

[45:06] always having to do?

[45:10] >> A lot of things.

[45:12] >> A lot of things. But the way what what

[45:14] is the underlying intention of all the

[45:17] things you do? They have to be what?

[45:21] >> Um

[45:23] >> I'll phrase it differently. You have to

[45:25] get them

[45:28] >> right. They have to be right.

[45:29] >> Correct.

[45:31] >> Yeah.

[45:31] >> Now feel that. Feel in your body right

[45:34] now. If you always have to get things

[45:36] right, how does that feel?

[45:38] >> Yeah. A lot of pressure, a lot of

[45:41] expectation. Yeah.

[45:43] >> Yeah. Yeah. Now, why is having to get

[45:48] everything right

[45:51] an illusion?

[46:01] >> Because what is right?

[46:04] >> Exactly.

[46:05] >> Yeah.

[46:05] >> Who says who says what's right?

[46:08] >> Yeah. But for a child, we look at our

[46:11] parents as like what they say and do is

[46:13] gospel, right? That's the way the world

[46:15] is. And

[46:16] >> because we're so dependent upon them

[46:18] that we abandon ourselves at a young age

[46:21] and we embody whatever we think they

[46:23] want us to be or do in order to stay

[46:27] safe. Ironically, in a world where we

[46:29] don't feel safe because we've actually

[46:30] already abandoned ourselves, right? So

[46:34] can you see now as a grown woman, as a

[46:36] mom,

[46:37] where can you right now recognizing that

[46:40] pattern of always trying to get things

[46:41] right, where does that show up for you

[46:43] even today?

[46:49] >> I mean, it shows up in every area of my

[46:51] life. It shows up in how I keep my house

[46:54] and how I parent and how I work.

[46:58] >> Yeah.

[46:59] >> Yeah.

[47:01] So without any kind of need or want from

[47:06] my side to inspire guilt, can you see

[47:09] that that's the continued legacy of your

[47:11] own mom?

[47:12] >> Yeah.

[47:15] >> Right.

[47:16] >> I see that. [laughter]

[47:19] >> And so there's a lot of compassion to be

[47:22] had, right?

[47:22] >> Yeah.

[47:24] >> So when you're trying to get everything

[47:25] right,

[47:27] how does that leave you feeling?

[47:32] Like I'm constantly chasing

[47:34] >> Yeah.

[47:35] >> something that's unattainable.

[47:38] >> Completely unattainable. It's like

[47:39] literally trying to get to the horizon,

[47:41] right? It's exhausting. How do you

[47:43] think, and again, without wanting you to

[47:45] feel bad, how do you think probably more

[47:48] unconsciously than consciously that

[47:49] might be already impacting your

[47:51] 5-year-old?

[47:57] >> Yeah. like

[48:00] she probably feels like

[48:04] there's a lot that's expected of her.

[48:06] >> Yeah.

[48:07] >> And I can already see like in the way

[48:11] that she

[48:13] says things that she's looking for how

[48:19] to do things the right way.

[48:21] >> Yeah. Now, as you say that, how does

[48:24] that hit you as a mom?

[48:31] I feel

[48:33] disappointed that

[48:36] >> I

[48:37] I'm kind of just passing it along.

[48:40] >> Well, the good news is she's only five,

[48:42] so we're doing something about it. But

[48:44] yeah, I just at least want you to

[48:45] presence the feeling. Not because I want

[48:47] you to feel bad,

[48:48] >> but because when we drop into an emotion

[48:50] that actually is in conflict with our

[48:52] intention, which is love, right? I get

[48:54] how much you love your girls.

[48:56] >> And when we see the disparity between,

[48:58] oh my gosh, I love my girls and what I'm

[49:00] doing is subtly controlling,

[49:02] manipulating, and putting pressure on

[49:04] them.

[49:05] >> You get to now have a choice.

[49:08] >> Yeah.

[49:10] >> And that again is power, right? It's

[49:13] like, wow. So, this is real choice is

[49:15] like, oh my gosh, do I want to come from

[49:17] my old conditioning,

[49:19] my old fears in the way that I'm

[49:22] constantly still trying to control my

[49:24] environment, which now includes my own

[49:25] girls, or do I want to just realize that

[49:29] they're not truths, and I can step out

[49:31] of them,

[49:32] >> which gives rise to an entirely

[49:34] different you and an entirely different

[49:35] mom and an entirely different legacy. Do

[49:38] you see that?

[49:39] >> Yeah.

[49:41] >> So,

[49:43] Okay. What What's hitting you?

[49:45] >> Well,

[49:48] and it's it's it's just like I I

[49:50] conceptually understand that and it's

[49:53] it's hard to

[49:56] >> embody. I almost don't even know how to

[49:59] not want to do things right.

[50:02] >> Yeah. No, of course. Well, first things

[50:05] first, you got to go easy on yourself.

[50:06] As I tell people, you know, I'm

[50:08] introducing you to a world with which

[50:09] you're not familiar, right? How old are

[50:10] you?

[50:11] I'm 37.

[50:13] >> Yeah. So, you got three and a half plus

[50:15] decades of conditioning versus, you

[50:17] know, 30 minutes of realizations.

[50:20] [laughter]

[50:20] >> Yeah.

[50:22] >> We don't need to be rocket scientists to

[50:23] figure out which one might have a little

[50:25] bit more momentum, right?

[50:26] >> So, go easy on yourself. This is not for

[50:29] the faint of heart. What I'm teaching is

[50:31] an entirely new operating system for

[50:32] humanity. And so, this is why I created

[50:35] this 2.0 world so people can get out of

[50:38] the world of limitation, fear,

[50:39] suffering, disease, and scarcity. So,

[50:42] I'm introducing you to something that is

[50:43] going to be very foreign to you both as

[50:45] a human, but also as part of your uh

[50:48] nervous system and how it's wired.

[50:51] >> Yeah.

[50:52] >> So, we have to do a little bit of

[50:54] reprogramming, right? So you already

[50:57] understood it, but why is the

[50:58] preoccupation with trying to get

[51:00] everything right a misnomer or um

[51:05] elusory?

[51:07] >> Because who's to say what's right?

[51:10] >> Yeah. So now because you already said

[51:13] that you liked it and you learned this

[51:14] from me is there's just the power of

[51:16] choice.

[51:18] meaning [clears throat] that an is going

[51:20] to do the best she can within the realm

[51:22] of awareness that she has at the time.

[51:27] >> And that's part of the evolutionary

[51:28] process of what it is to be human is

[51:30] that we get to learn as we go and

[51:32] hopefully hopefully evolve and create

[51:35] some more wisdom. Not because we got it

[51:37] right, but ironically because things

[51:39] didn't work out.

[51:42] >> So when you reframe things of like I'm

[51:44] not just trying to get everything right,

[51:45] which is based in fear. It's a survival

[51:47] mechanism. I'm just trying to be as, you

[51:50] know, efficient, as kind, as loving, as

[51:52] caring, as, you know, optimal as I can

[51:55] be. But I don't know, you know, what it

[51:57] means to have a six-year-old cuz I've

[51:59] never had a six-year-old. I don't know

[52:00] what it's going to be like when I have a

[52:01] teenager who has got through her first

[52:04] heartbreak at 14 or who I have to pick

[52:06] up at a friend's house cuz she's drunk.

[52:09] I' I've never been there, but I'll

[52:11] figure it out.

[52:12] >> Yeah.

[52:13] >> Do you see? That's a very different

[52:16] approach to life than constantly

[52:18] worrying about things that likely won't

[52:20] happen

[52:22] >> or even if they do, you'll handle them.

[52:25] >> Yeah, I see that. I I do kind of worry

[52:30] about all those things that you were

[52:32] talking about like I can

[52:34] >> Yeah,

[52:35] >> I can see myself doing that.

[52:38] >> Yeah. So this is where you start to see

[52:41] that the greatest adversary for any

[52:43] human being is as I said their own ego

[52:45] and it's u it's perpetual perception of

[52:49] a future that hasn't happened yet and

[52:51] then trying to mitigate avoid it or

[52:53] manage it not realizing that you made it

[52:55] up.

[52:59] >> Yeah.

[52:59] >> So now let's look at So we sort of

[53:01] addressed the not safe. You're starting

[53:02] to tap into your own power. realized

[53:04] through the birth of your own girls like

[53:06] whoa like how powerful you are.

[53:10] >> Also looking at your history, all the

[53:11] challenges that you've had that you've

[53:12] been through, it's like holy

[53:14] there's nothing this woman can't handle.

[53:17] >> Now, as it relates to your conversation

[53:19] of not knowing if you're going to be

[53:21] okay or not? What do you know about the

[53:24] future? Can you tell me what's going to

[53:26] happen next week, in a month? Do you

[53:28] know?

[53:29] >> I don't know much about the future.

[53:32] >> Yeah. Can I upgrade that statement for

[53:34] you?

[53:35] >> Yeah.

[53:36] >> You don't know anything. [laughter]

[53:40] >> We're all clueless.

[53:42] >> Yeah.

[53:43] >> Now, as much as you plan, sure, you

[53:45] might know that, okay, you had a

[53:46] scheduled conversation with me. That's

[53:48] in your, you know, in your diary. But as

[53:50] it relates to how life is going to

[53:52] unfold, like no one could have

[53:53] perceived, apart from, I was going to

[53:55] say, no one could have perceived co

[53:56] apart from, you know, without getting

[53:58] too political here, the people that

[53:59] planned it. [laughter] But you know

[54:02] there's things that we obviously have in

[54:03] our agenda but we don't really know how

[54:06] things are going to unfold. Right.

[54:08] >> Mhm. [clears throat] Right.

[54:10] >> So if you really see that that you don't

[54:14] know whether you're going to live to 98

[54:16] and be vital and then just drop one day.

[54:18] You don't know if you're going to live

[54:19] to 75. You don't know if you're going to

[54:20] get a sick. You don't know how long

[54:21] you're going to be with your husband in

[54:23] terms of his wellness. You don't know if

[54:25] your girls are going to be successful,

[54:26] fall in love, get married, have

[54:27] children. None of that. They can be

[54:29] goals. They can be aspirations. They can

[54:31] be, you know, really beautiful

[54:33] intentions.

[54:34] But when we're trying to control the

[54:37] unfolding of life, we're going to always

[54:39] be fighting a losing proposition.

[54:42] >> Yeah.

[54:43] >> Because last I checked, none of us are

[54:45] charged with the, you know,

[54:48] responsibility of how the universe

[54:50] unfolds.

[54:53] So if we really get that truth then the

[54:56] only option for us the only option is

[54:59] profound surrender

[55:01] to the unknown.

[55:03] >> Yeah. And it it's like that experience I

[55:07] had

[55:08] when I was having those miscarriages and

[55:11] and then

[55:13] [clears throat]

[55:13] >> it switched for me where it's like I was

[55:15] trying to control the future. I was

[55:18] trying to control how my family would

[55:20] look and then it's

[55:21] >> there was a moment of surrender where it

[55:23] was like well you know what it's going

[55:25] to be fine either way.

[55:27] >> Yeah. and beyond fine even as a maybe

[55:31] excuse me more powerful way is it's

[55:34] going to be what it's going to be

[55:38] >> right because there are people right now

[55:39] listening who are dealing with what's

[55:41] going to be has now become and it's not

[55:44] fine it's hard it's it's challenging

[55:46] it's sad it's

[55:48] >> it's really difficult but it is what it

[55:50] is right so if we understand that life

[55:52] is the way it is and I you know my quote

[55:54] I say life is the way it is but only

[55:56] always

[55:57] >> right it's always the way it is and then

[55:59] we add on top of it based on our

[56:02] perception and our conditioning our own

[56:03] level of suffering or resistance

[56:06] which last I checked doesn't change

[56:08] life. It might inform us and we get into

[56:11] action. That's fine. But if we're if

[56:13] we're taking action from a place of

[56:16] resistance, we're going to suffer

[56:17] anyway. Versus if we just deal with life

[56:20] as it unfolds, which I'm not saying any

[56:22] of this is easy, but it's powerful to be

[56:24] able to at least see it. Then we deal

[56:27] with moment to moment as it arises.

[56:30] Now the one part we haven't spoken to is

[56:33] that is the power part is we understand

[56:37] life unfolds as it unfolds and I'm not

[56:40] separate to life.

[56:43] >> Meaning I have a say however seemingly

[56:45] small and that's my commitment.

[56:48] So for example, when you realize the

[56:51] illusion of trying to get everything

[56:52] right, which removes all pressure,

[56:54] expectation,

[56:55] removes all anxiety, you do know as a

[56:58] woman, as a mother, you're doing the

[56:59] best you can, right? That's always the

[57:01] plan.

[57:03] >> When you remove that, you can still have

[57:05] a commitment to providing the most

[57:09] loving, healthy, safe environment for

[57:11] your girls.

[57:13] >> Yeah.

[57:14] >> Do do you see the subtle difference?

[57:16] It's it might occur. It might like if we

[57:18] were to have a fly on the wall view of

[57:19] you and your house, we might see you

[57:22] doing the same things, but your

[57:25] experience internally will be

[57:26] dramatically different.

[57:28] >> Yeah. No, I get it. It's it's instead of

[57:31] feeling like I have to do these things,

[57:34] it's I want to do these things.

[57:36] >> Yeah. Now you've got choice, which is

[57:38] power.

[57:39] >> See, before you were driven by patterns

[57:41] where you had no choice. You have to get

[57:43] it right. You have to do it perfectly.

[57:45] You have to be looking out for worst

[57:47] case scenarios. You definitely have to

[57:49] look out for anything that could be

[57:50] dangerous for you, your your family,

[57:52] right? That means you're in a constant

[57:54] state of fear, resistance, and being in

[57:57] a vigilant mindset. That's exhausting.

[58:01] >> Yeah.

[58:02] >> What would it be like for an if all of

[58:04] that was gone?

[58:07] Gosh,

[58:09] just h

[58:11] I just feel like my shoulders drop and

[58:14] >> just about six inches. Yeah. [laughter]

[58:17] >> Like it's a relief and it I feel much

[58:20] more relaxed.

[58:22] >> How do you think your digestion would

[58:24] work from that place of eating?

[58:25] >> Nice and smooth. [laughter]

[58:27] >> Yeah. How do you think your sleep might

[58:30] change?

[58:32] >> Oh, I'd sleep soundly.

[58:34] >> Yeah. Sleep like a baby. Do you see?

[58:36] It's so powerful why I love what I get

[58:38] to do. Because you're young, you know,

[58:41] you're in good shape, you take care of

[58:42] yourself, okay? You've had a few little

[58:44] things, stomach stuff, but you if you

[58:46] stayed on the track that you were on in

[58:48] the state of feeling not safe, not going

[58:50] to be okay, trying to get everything

[58:52] right, the constant pressure and

[58:53] expectation that would manifest 5, 10,

[58:56] 15, 20 years from now with a sickness.

[58:59] >> Yeah. So, ironically, your concerns were

[59:01] well founded because the energy that you

[59:04] were occupying was the precursor. Okay.

[59:07] Maybe not for a while, but for something

[59:09] that does become this gradual decline in

[59:13] health.

[59:14] >> Yeah.

[59:16] >> Not because there's anything wrong with

[59:17] your physiology. Your birthright is

[59:19] vitality. But because your body's living

[59:21] in a hostile environment of your own

[59:23] mind.

[59:25] Do you see that?

[59:27] >> Yeah, I see that. But how powerful now

[59:30] that you can step out of that. You can

[59:32] realize, oh,

[59:34] >> it's not true that I'm not safe. I went

[59:36] through some pretty scary things as a

[59:38] kid. But what does that have to do with

[59:39] today?

[59:41] >> Right.

[59:41] >> Nothing. Right.

[59:43] >> Nothing.

[59:44] >> And what do you know about the future?

[59:46] >> I don't know anything about the future.

[59:48] >> So then how can you be worried if you're

[59:50] going to be okay?

[59:52] >> Right.

[59:53] >> See, people say that they're scared of

[59:55] the unknown. I'm like, no, nobody's

[59:56] scared of the unknown.

[59:58] The unknown is life. That's the future.

[1:00:01] What you're scared of is what your own

[1:00:03] brain is unconsciously

[1:00:06] uh projecting into the unknown.

[1:00:10] >> Exactly.

[1:00:10] >> So, your anxietyy's got nothing to do

[1:00:12] with the unknown. Your anxietyy's got

[1:00:13] everything to do with your own brain

[1:00:15] imagining worst case scenarios in the

[1:00:17] unknown.

[1:00:20] >> Right. It's my imagination.

[1:00:22] >> Yeah. And when you see

[1:00:23] >> pretty vivid imagination.

[1:00:25] >> Yeah, pretty well it comes back to that

[1:00:27] same word, right? How powerful are you?

[1:00:30] >> You can and this I really want people to

[1:00:32] get this. This is how people make

[1:00:35] themselves sick.

[1:00:37] >> Not as a conscious choice. There's no

[1:00:39] guilt or shame, but as a process of

[1:00:41] mechanics.

[1:00:43] If you're envisaging worst case

[1:00:45] scenarios, which is a reflection of past

[1:00:47] hurt for which we have compassion,

[1:00:49] everyone's been through stuff. But that

[1:00:51] envisaged future which is littered with

[1:00:53] worst case scenarios creates in the

[1:00:55] moment concern, anxiety, worry which

[1:00:58] puts you in a state of stress. Stress,

[1:01:00] you know, you ask even a a brand new

[1:01:02] doctor that like what's the number one

[1:01:03] contributing factor to disease? It's

[1:01:05] like stress which physiologically adds

[1:01:08] to inflammation and d right. If you do

[1:01:11] that for decades, what do you think

[1:01:13] happens to your body?

[1:01:15] >> Body's going to get a disease.

[1:01:18] >> Yeah. Disease is the precursor to

[1:01:21] disease.

[1:01:22] >> Yeah.

[1:01:24] >> So hopefully for the sake of like you

[1:01:26] know not even an hour's conversation we

[1:01:28] just reconciled your whole fear of a

[1:01:31] future that hasn't happened yet

[1:01:33] [laughter]

[1:01:34] and you went from

[1:01:35] >> I hope so.

[1:01:36] >> Yeah. Well it's beyond hope. It's

[1:01:38] mechanics when you really understand it.

[1:01:40] Right. Hope is a beautiful quality of

[1:01:42] the human spirit. But when you really

[1:01:44] understand how powerful you are as a

[1:01:47] conscious being, you're not separate to

[1:01:50] life. You are life.

[1:01:51] >> Your nature is vitality. But when you

[1:01:54] look through a lens that is is littered

[1:01:56] with limitations, fears, and concerns,

[1:01:58] even the most robust physiology will

[1:02:01] eventually have to acquies and start to

[1:02:03] fall apart.

[1:02:06] But you don't need to do that anymore.

[1:02:08] >> Right?

[1:02:10] >> So let's just go through them as very

[1:02:12] simple questions. Is it true an that

[1:02:14] you're not safe?

[1:02:15] >> It's not true.

[1:02:16] >> Not true. Is it true that you're not

[1:02:18] going to be okay?

[1:02:20] >> It's not true.

[1:02:21] >> Not true at all. Is it true that you're

[1:02:23] powerless?

[1:02:24] >> It's not true.

[1:02:26] >> Give me one example of how we know that

[1:02:29] you're not powerless.

[1:02:33] Give an example of how powerful you are.

[1:02:35] >> Yeah. because

[1:02:37] of everything I've been through and

[1:02:42] because I'm a woman and I'm a mom.

[1:02:44] >> Damn right. Now she's starting

[1:02:46] to [laughter] speak up. And you know the

[1:02:47] other thing just to recognize how

[1:02:49] powerful you are? You were creating your

[1:02:52] own anxiety. You were creating your own

[1:02:55] worst case scenarios.

[1:02:57] >> I know I was.

[1:02:58] >> That's pretty powerful, isn't it?

[1:03:00] >> Yeah.

[1:03:00] >> I mean, not the best use of power, but I

[1:03:02] mean, it's power nonetheless. [laughter]

[1:03:06] Yeah.

[1:03:08] >> So what might become available using

[1:03:10] that same skill set? What could you

[1:03:12] apply that power for?

[1:03:14] >> I can use my power to create

[1:03:18] ease, joy,

[1:03:20] >> what thought?

[1:03:22] >> Yeah.

[1:03:22] >> Best case scenarios. Yeah. That's

[1:03:25] commitment.

[1:03:26] >> Yeah. Like if I put my imagination to

[1:03:29] use in the other areas.

[1:03:33] >> I mean, look out world. Huh? Wow.

[1:03:35] >> Starting to tap into the magic that you

[1:03:37] are.

[1:03:38] >> Yeah.

[1:03:40] >> We're all magicians. We're all an

[1:03:41] expression of consciousness. And

[1:03:43] consciousness itself is ineffable. It's

[1:03:46] it's boundless. It's limitless. It's

[1:03:47] it's power itself.

[1:03:49] >> Mhm.

[1:03:51] >> You're not a victim of circumstance.

[1:03:54] You're creating circumstance.

[1:03:57] >> Right.

[1:04:00] >> Right.

[1:04:02] >> Isn't that cool?

[1:04:04] It is.

[1:04:05] Yeah.

[1:04:08] [laughter]

[1:04:09] >> Different world, huh?

[1:04:13] >> That would definitely be a different

[1:04:14] world.

[1:04:16] >> Yeah. How do you think that would impact

[1:04:18] your your girls?

[1:04:20] What would they see? What would they

[1:04:22] learn from this woman?

[1:04:24] >> Um, they would learn that it's okay to

[1:04:28] make mistakes. It's okay to

[1:04:32] >> just do things because you want to.

[1:04:37] >> Well, that sounds like freedom to me.

[1:04:39] >> Yeah.

[1:04:41] >> And I would even upgrade the mistake.

[1:04:43] You can find out less of a mistake, but

[1:04:45] you can find out what doesn't work.

[1:04:49] >> Well, that didn't work.

[1:04:50] >> Yeah.

[1:04:51] >> Or, you know, if you want to stay in the

[1:04:53] realm of the power of your word and

[1:04:55] integrity, that you didn't do what you

[1:04:57] said you would do. That's not

[1:04:58] necessarily a mistake but you're giving

[1:04:59] away power right

[1:05:02] >> powerful lessons for human beings. So

[1:05:04] when you really understand the power of

[1:05:06] tongue and the word and you know

[1:05:09] spelling casting spells abracadabra the

[1:05:11] Aramaic translation of abracadabra which

[1:05:14] we associate with magic is as I speak so

[1:05:16] I create. We're all magicians.

[1:05:19] >> Well you weren't necessarily speaking

[1:05:21] speaking out loud but speaking language

[1:05:23] internally was worst case scenarios. You

[1:05:26] were casting dark spells.

[1:05:28] >> M.

[1:05:30] >> Wow, that's cool.

[1:05:31] >> Isn't that cool?

[1:05:32] >> Mhm.

[1:05:35] >> So, you might want to start walking

[1:05:37] around with a broom and a big

[1:05:38] blackointed hat or a white one maybe is

[1:05:40] more. [laughter]

[1:05:42] Teach your girls how powerful they are

[1:05:44] as little young proteges of mom the

[1:05:47] magician.

[1:05:54] >> Okay.

[1:05:56] That's cool.

[1:05:57] >> Do you see it?

[1:05:58] >> Yeah, I do.

[1:06:01] >> It's different, isn't it? How does that

[1:06:02] all sort of land in your body? I know

[1:06:04] it's new, but how does that feel?

[1:06:07] >> I feel

[1:06:10] like there's less of a weight and less

[1:06:12] of a pressure.

[1:06:13] >> Mhm.

[1:06:15] >> Yeah.

[1:06:16] >> I don't have to keep

[1:06:19] the pressure to do do.

[1:06:22] >> Yeah. I get to do because I want to do.

[1:06:26] >> Yeah.

[1:06:28] And even that exhale under your breath,

[1:06:30] you felt that in your body, right? The

[1:06:31] shoulders dropping, the stomach

[1:06:33] softening.

[1:06:34] >> That's called vitality.

[1:06:36] >> Yeah.

[1:06:38] >> That's healing.

[1:06:41] >> The body knows what to do in the absence

[1:06:43] of stress.

[1:06:44] I It knows what to do in stress. It's

[1:06:46] just not ideal, [laughter]

[1:06:48] >> right?

[1:06:51] So now you get to digest your food, you

[1:06:53] get to sleep, you get to be at peace.

[1:06:55] And energetically, what I want you to

[1:06:56] understand as a mother and for all the

[1:06:58] mothers out there, you get to create in

[1:07:00] an environment for your girls and for

[1:07:01] your husband and for yourself that is

[1:07:03] copious, that feels harmonious, that

[1:07:05] feels fun, that feels playful, that

[1:07:07] feels at ease, which if I recall from

[1:07:10] this conversation was the life that you

[1:07:12] said you'd like.

[1:07:13] >> Yeah. Yes, it is.

[1:07:17] Well, now it's available.

[1:07:20] >> Yeah. So, I get to

[1:07:24] do

[1:07:26] I get to choose what

[1:07:29] >> how I want the house to be

[1:07:33] like to be.

[1:07:35] >> Yeah.

[1:07:35] >> Yeah.

[1:07:36] >> I'll give you a distinction because I

[1:07:38] was a definitely a recovering

[1:07:39] perfectionist for many years. You know,

[1:07:41] me trying to control my environment, my

[1:07:43] parents dying, right? And I'm Virgo, so

[1:07:45] it was exacerbated by those tendencies.

[1:07:48] And I realized it's no longer about

[1:07:49] perfection. It's just an appreciation

[1:07:51] for beauty and function,

[1:07:54] >> right? It's a choice. And yet, I can

[1:07:56] leave a bunch of dishes in the sink

[1:07:58] sometimes and not, you know, there's a

[1:08:00] pile of clothes in the corner and you

[1:08:01] know what? I'm going to be okay. I'm

[1:08:03] going to make it through that,

[1:08:05] >> right? It doesn't have to be a certain

[1:08:08] way,

[1:08:10] >> right? I get to choose kind of dayto day

[1:08:13] of do I want to

[1:08:17] spend a few more minutes playing

[1:08:20] >> or do I want to put a load of laundry in

[1:08:23] or you know

[1:08:25] >> those things

[1:08:26] >> and that's called freedom of choice

[1:08:28] freedom of self expression

[1:08:31] >> you know because most humans in ways

[1:08:33] that they don't even know and this is

[1:08:35] why I have so much care and compassion

[1:08:36] for the people that I help is are being

[1:08:39] driven by unconscious commitments.

[1:08:44] >> Yes.

[1:08:45] >> Meaning, unbeknownst to you, an you were

[1:08:48] fully committed to trying to stay safe,

[1:08:50] which is only reinforcing the fact that

[1:08:52] you didn't think you were trying to

[1:08:54] avoid worst case scenarios, which is

[1:08:56] only reinforcing the belief that you

[1:08:58] weren't going to be okay, and always

[1:08:59] trying to get everything right.

[1:09:02] That's unconscious survival. That's what

[1:09:05] creates exhaustion. That's why you

[1:09:07] weren't sleeping. That's why you had

[1:09:08] anxiety. That's why you got the IBS. Do

[1:09:10] you see? Now you step outside of that

[1:09:14] whole prison of constraints,

[1:09:17] limitations, and fears and go, "Oh,

[1:09:20] there's nothing wrong. I can't do

[1:09:21] anything wrong. There's nowhere to get

[1:09:23] to. In fact, the only place to get to is

[1:09:25] here, which I couldn't get to because I

[1:09:27] was too worried, dragging my history of

[1:09:29] things that I was judging myself for and

[1:09:31] anxious about a future that hasn't

[1:09:33] happened yet." And now it's like, no, I

[1:09:35] did what I did and I'm going to do

[1:09:38] whatever I'm going to do when I do it.

[1:09:39] But right now, I'm playing with my kid

[1:09:41] or I'm putting the laundry in or I'm

[1:09:43] snuggling my husband as we fall asleep

[1:09:45] and I feel safe. You know what? Whatever

[1:09:47] it is.

[1:09:48] >> Yeah.

[1:09:49] >> Isn't that beautiful?

[1:09:50] >> Yeah, that is. That's really beautiful.

[1:09:55] >> Yeah. And I get to be that.

[1:09:58] >> You certainly do. And not only get to be

[1:10:01] that, you are that. Yeah, I am that.

[1:10:04] >> You are that. You always were. You just

[1:10:06] had the illusion of the lens that you

[1:10:08] look through on top of that.

[1:10:12] >> So, ironically, what I'm just revealing

[1:10:14] for you, albeit unfamiliar, and it's

[1:10:16] going to take practice, is way more uh

[1:10:20] natural for you than the way you've been

[1:10:22] living

[1:10:24] >> because now you're just being yourself,

[1:10:26] which is I'll make it through everything

[1:10:28] until I don't. Right? [laughter]

[1:10:31] I I often joke you're going to survive

[1:10:32] until you don't. So stop worrying about

[1:10:34] it.

[1:10:36] I guarantee you now with this new

[1:10:38] mindset, you know, your quote unquote

[1:10:40] survival quotient just went up a lot,

[1:10:43] right? [laughter]

[1:10:46] That's good. And you know, the whole

[1:10:49] idea of trying to get it right is a

[1:10:51] misnomer based on whatever we mirrored

[1:10:53] and patterned from parents. There's no

[1:10:55] such thing. There's just whatever you do

[1:10:57] and then people will have an opinion

[1:10:58] about it. In regards to the future, I

[1:11:02] don't know what the hell's going to

[1:11:03] happen, but that's exciting,

[1:11:05] >> right?

[1:11:07] Yeah, it is exciting.

[1:11:10] >> Yeah.

[1:11:12] That's called adventure. That's called

[1:11:13] exploration. That's called curiosity.

[1:11:19] [clears throat]

[1:11:21] >> Welcome to a new world, my dear. How

[1:11:23] does that feel?

[1:11:24] >> Thank you. It feels good. It feels

[1:11:29] Less pressure,

[1:11:32] more ease.

[1:11:33] >> Yeah.

[1:11:34] >> And kind of possibility.

[1:11:36] >> Yeah.

[1:11:37] >> Yeah.

[1:11:38] >> I'll take it.

[1:11:39] >> Better than how we started.

[1:11:42] >> Yeah.

[1:11:42] >> Yeah. And you know, just as a caveat,

[1:11:45] it's going to take practice, right? Like

[1:11:47] the especially being a mom, I also want

[1:11:49] to speak to and and acknowledge the

[1:11:51] biological impact of being a mom, right?

[1:11:53] which is

[1:11:55] that when we have next of kin, you know,

[1:11:58] the tendency

[1:12:00] which is so beautiful and natural is to

[1:12:03] obviously be more alert genu, you know,

[1:12:05] generally, right? When you're out in the

[1:12:07] streets, obviously when you're just even

[1:12:09] around the house, are there sharp

[1:12:11] objects? You know, so I'm not expecting

[1:12:15] you to suddenly be this like super chill

[1:12:17] like relaxed woman who's like, "Yeah,

[1:12:20] whatever." You know, but that is

[1:12:21] available to you, right?

[1:12:23] Because there is going to be the

[1:12:24] responsibility that you've taken on as a

[1:12:26] soul to play the role of a mother to

[1:12:28] these two beautiful girls. And built

[1:12:30] into that is going to be a certain

[1:12:32] degree of just attentive, you know,

[1:12:35] attention, right? You're you're going to

[1:12:37] want to make sure that you stay alert,

[1:12:39] but not in the way that you were prior

[1:12:41] to this conversation, which was with

[1:12:43] fear for worst case scenarios, you know?

[1:12:47] >> Yes.

[1:12:49] And it kind of brings me back to the I

[1:12:53] get to choose

[1:12:56] what kind of mother I want to be. I have

[1:12:58] and my choice is that I want my girls to

[1:13:01] see that I've had the pleasure of being

[1:13:03] their mother.

[1:13:05] >> Yeah.

[1:13:06] >> Yeah.

[1:13:08] >> Yeah. The word that comes to to mind for

[1:13:10] me now that you get to step into is joy.

[1:13:14] >> Yeah.

[1:13:15] >> You get to live with more joy.

[1:13:17] Yeah, that would be really great.

[1:13:22] [laughter]

[1:13:22] Really great.

[1:13:24] >> Yeah. Well, can you see it now at least

[1:13:26] available? At least it's possible.

[1:13:29] >> Yeah.

[1:13:31] >> Yeah. So rather than living in fear,

[1:13:33] concern, limitation, worry, controlling

[1:13:35] worst case scenarios that haven't

[1:13:37] happened. Now you get to be in joy for

[1:13:38] just being you, for being alive, for the

[1:13:41] gift that it is to be human, for the

[1:13:42] gift that it is to have these beautiful

[1:13:46] girls who adore you, who at some level

[1:13:48] are dependent on you. And that gives you

[1:13:50] like, you know, purpose, that gives you

[1:13:51] power, it gives you responsibility, it

[1:13:53] gives you access to love that, you know,

[1:13:56] you wouldn't have otherwise tapped into.

[1:13:58] >> Sure.

[1:13:59] >> And all of that falls under the the

[1:14:01] umbrella of joy. And there's so many

[1:14:02] people are like trying to get to a

[1:14:04] future that they haven't realized yet

[1:14:06] and missing out on life along the way.

[1:14:08] >> Yeah,

[1:14:09] >> it's crazy.

[1:14:14] >> Um just another quick story that that

[1:14:17] made me think about was

[1:14:19] >> Yeah.

[1:14:20] um the postpartum period

[1:14:24] uh right after my second daughter was

[1:14:26] born. I

[1:14:29] felt

[1:14:32] so much like joy that I

[1:14:37] get to be a woman caring for such a

[1:14:40] young child. like it was such a cool

[1:14:43] experience the second time around

[1:14:45] without the

[1:14:46] >> fear of all the first time mom things.

[1:14:49] >> Yeah.

[1:14:50] >> Um so

[1:14:54] that that's what you were saying

[1:14:56] reminded me of that where it's like I

[1:14:58] get to

[1:15:00] um

[1:15:02] be present in the moment and enjoy

[1:15:07] >> all the little things.

[1:15:09] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[1:15:09] >> Be about being a mom.

[1:15:11] >> Yeah.

[1:15:12] >> How beautiful.

[1:15:15] >> That's a different way to live, isn't

[1:15:17] it?

[1:15:17] >> It is.

[1:15:20] >> Yeah. It kind of in reflection, you

[1:15:22] know, I know it's only just over an hour

[1:15:23] ago, but when you look back at your

[1:15:25] concerns, not in any way to dismiss that

[1:15:27] part of you, but you can almost see how

[1:15:30] comical and petty the concerns were.

[1:15:34] >> Yeah.

[1:15:37] >> Right. It's like, "Oh my god, I'm

[1:15:38] extraordinary. I'm powerful. There's not

[1:15:40] much that I can't handle. I'm blessed to

[1:15:42] have two beautiful daughters. I have an

[1:15:44] amazing husband. I I have an incredible

[1:15:46] imagination and I'm going to start using

[1:15:48] it for good." You know, it's like,

[1:15:50] >> right,

[1:15:52] >> isn't it? I mean, it's just it's

[1:15:54] beautiful.

[1:15:55] >> Yes. Exactly. Like when I look back, it

[1:15:59] is kind of petty. My imagination

[1:16:03] was

[1:16:05] >> creating

[1:16:08] the fears.

[1:16:10] >> Yeah. And it's petty in a way that we

[1:16:12] have so much love and compassion because

[1:16:14] it's the mind of a young child.

[1:16:17] >> Yeah.

[1:16:18] >> It wouldn't be petty for you to see your

[1:16:20] 5-year-old who's upset because she

[1:16:21] didn't get picked for the school play,

[1:16:23] right? It's like that that hurts. And

[1:16:25] you would hold space for her. And that's

[1:16:26] why I said you embodying this woman,

[1:16:29] this true

[1:16:30] adult version of you can hold space for

[1:16:34] that younger version of you who was, you

[1:16:36] know, valid to be scared, who was un

[1:16:40] understandably trying to be the best she

[1:16:43] could be for her mom. It's it's

[1:16:44] adorable.

[1:16:46] >> But it's no longer appropriate,

[1:16:49] >> right?

[1:16:51] >> You're free

[1:16:53] >> free to be who you want to be.

[1:16:57] >> Thank you, Peter.

[1:16:59] You're so welcome. Can you feel a

[1:17:01] softness even in your stomach area?

[1:17:05] >> Yeah, I feel it mostly in my shoulders

[1:17:10] and neck.

[1:17:11] >> Yeah.

[1:17:13] >> But yeah,

[1:17:15] I can feel it in my chest and stomach.

[1:17:18] >> Yeah. Beautiful. Yeah. Your whole body

[1:17:20] is just recalibrating to this beautiful

[1:17:23] new environment. M

[1:17:25] >> and I guarantee you in ways that you

[1:17:28] likely will notice, you're going to see

[1:17:29] a shift in your 8th month old even and

[1:17:32] certainly your 5-year-old

[1:17:35] >> because they will recalibrate to your

[1:17:37] energy. That's powerful.

[1:17:40] >> Cool. That is really powerful,

[1:17:42] >> isn't it?

[1:17:44] >> Yeah.

[1:17:46] >> Amazing. Well, go enjoy this new world

[1:17:48] of freedom and love and possibility and

[1:17:50] choice.

[1:17:51] >> Thank you so much. I'm so grateful.

[1:17:54] It's pleasure to be with you, my dear.

[1:17:57] >> If you enjoyed that episode of Finding

[1:17:59] Freedom, then I invite you to check out

[1:18:01] another episode. Click right here.

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In this conversation, Peter Crone suggests that overwhelm is often fueled by a mind that keeps rehearsing the next task, even during moments with your children. When perfectionism is driving that rehearsal, the drive to get everything right can pull attention away from the present. Noticing that pattern is the first step toward loosening it.
Crone argues that perfectionism is a learned behavioral adaptation aimed at being loved and accepted. He adds that it ends up being the obstacle to true connection, because everyone is imperfect and people connect through their humanity. The strategy meant to secure love can quietly block it.
Anne, the listener in the conversation, said she understands the idea of choice conceptually but struggles to feel it in her body. Crone offered a both-and alternative, suggesting that a mix of choosing and having to may be okay. Allowing that mixture can make ordinary obligations feel less like a source of shame.
Crone describes a listener whose worry about her own mortality, and her fear that her children would not be well, was affecting her sleep, digestion, and presence with her daughters. He frames the feeling of not being safe as valid, while separating it from the story the mind builds about a future that has not happened yet. Recognizing that distinction is one way to start working with the anxiety.
In the conversation, the listener traces the origin of her worst-case narrative to becoming a mother and to several miscarriages. Losses like these can make the future feel unsafe, and the mind may begin drafting protective scenarios. The conversation treats this as an understandable response to real grief rather than something to simply dismiss.
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