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[0:09] Good evening.
[0:10] We are continuing after a long break, it
[0:13] seems like, the letters of Swami
[0:15] Vivekananda, the new edition, which, as
[0:19] I think many of you know by now, it's in
[0:22] four volumes. This is volume one of four
[0:25] volumes. It's a tremendous collection
[0:28] and it's thrilling reading.
[0:31] All the letters have been arranged in
[0:33] chronological order. All the letters
[0:34] that we have to date have been arranged
[0:37] in chronological order
[0:39] and restored as much as possible to
[0:41] their original. There's a lot of
[0:43] material edited out of the
[0:46] letters that appear in the complete
[0:48] works. Material sometimes because it was
[0:50] about someone who was still alive or
[0:54] sometimes the editors felt that well,
[0:55] this is not really very interesting. And
[0:57] it may not be very interesting from the
[0:59] standpoint of studying Swami
[1:00] Vivekananda's philosophical teachings or
[1:02] something like that. But for
[1:06] us who are students of Swamiji, who want
[1:08] to know where he was when all the
[1:11] details of his life, every detail is
[1:13] important. So, it's a tremendous trove
[1:16] of
[1:18] uh new information and we are going
[1:21] through it. So, let's start with our
[1:23] opening prayer.
[1:57] May we be protected together.
[2:01] May we be nourished together.
[2:04] May we gain in strength together.
[2:08] May our study be vigorous and fruitful.
[2:13] May what we study, may what we learn
[2:15] shine forth in our lives.
[2:18] May we not find fault with one another.
[2:22] Om peace
[2:24] peace
[2:25] peace.
[2:28] So, I thank you also for coming because
[2:31] doing taking this journey together
[2:33] through the letters of Swami Vivekananda
[2:35] is really a joy. We are going to take
[2:38] continue where we left off. We're on
[2:40] page 391 if anyone is following along
[2:42] with the book. [snorts]
[2:44] The actually the books are quite costly
[2:47] if you want to buy them in paper,
[2:49] especially here in America. They're
[2:50] shipped all the way from India, but it's
[2:53] about $10 for an ebook which you can
[2:55] read on a on a
[2:57] a tablet or book reader and
[3:01] for me it was money well spent.
[3:04] Of course I I went both.
[3:06] The
[3:07] the benefit of the ebook is you can also
[3:09] search it. If you're looking for a
[3:10] passage, you can search it. So, we're
[3:11] reading we're in the midst of a letter
[3:14] written to his brother disciples at the
[3:17] mutt at the main monastery and
[3:21] he's writing from Chicago at the Hale
[3:22] residence and it's a long letter which
[3:25] was also came down very hard on the
[3:32] brothers and particularly on those who
[3:35] are getting too much involved in worship
[3:38] and puja and rituals when there is so
[3:41] much suffering in the world, so much
[3:42] suffering in the country of India and
[3:44] you're just going to worry about ringing
[3:46] the bell more and doing puja. Serve the
[3:49] hungry, serve the suffering. This is
[3:52] Swami ji's called. So, he's continuing
[3:53] in that
[3:54] that line.
[3:57] So,
[3:58] it's towards the end of the letter. He
[4:00] says, "As Thakur loved you, that is Sri
[4:03] Ramakrishna, as Thakur loved you, as I
[4:06] love you,
[4:08] you love the world like that."
[4:12] What a powerful
[4:14] command, what a powerful call. As and it
[4:17] sounds like something similar in the
[4:20] Christian scripture also.
[4:22] Um the Jesus commanded his disciples to
[4:24] love each other as he loves them. So,
[4:27] it's amazing. He says, "As Thakur as Sri
[4:30] Ramakrishna Thakur is that very
[4:32] affectionate address uh affectionate yet
[4:36] respectful address that uh
[4:38] the disciples had for Sri Ramakrishna.
[4:40] Thakur also means a deity in a temple.
[4:44] It also means master. It has a number of
[4:45] different meanings, but
[4:48] this is what uh
[4:50] the disciples called Sri Ramakrishna
[4:52] among other things. They Swamiji used to
[4:54] refer to him very much as Guru Maharaj.
[4:57] Ananta?
[4:58] >> What What did they call him like to him?
[5:01] >> To him? Uh well, in the gospel we find
[5:04] that mostly it was this term Mahashaya.
[5:07] Mahashaya, which means a respected
[5:09] person. It's a it's a
[5:11] very respectful term of address, which
[5:13] is sometimes translated as sir, but sir
[5:15] has this formality that just doesn't
[5:17] catch it and and
[5:19] Mahashaya
[5:20] revered sir kind of revered revered
[5:22] person a revered yet respected loved
[5:25] person whom we respect. Mahashaya.
[5:29] Apparently, they used to sometimes call
[5:30] him Thakur to his and he he accepted
[5:33] that because he used to say he couldn't
[5:35] bear three terms, right? He couldn't
[5:37] bear being called father, Baba, or
[5:39] Karta, master, or Guru, teacher. He
[5:43] couldn't bear those addresses.
[5:45] Uh but Thakur, which also is sometimes
[5:47] translated as as master, he he
[5:49] apparently accepted. So, this is a
[5:51] tremendous statement. As Sri Ramakrishna
[5:54] loved you, as I love you, you love the
[5:57] world like that.
[6:00] Vivekananda always comes back to love.
[6:02] Now, he's guiding the brothers in India.
[6:04] Bring them all together. Where is
[6:06] Gunandhi?
[6:08] This was
[6:09] a monk of another order of the Arya
[6:11] Samaj named Achyutananda Saraswati. He
[6:15] was very close with Swami Vivekananda.
[6:17] They spent some time together in during
[6:19] Swamiji's wandering days. So, he he's
[6:21] wanting that Gunandhi this Achyutananda
[6:23] should join the brothers in the work of
[6:26] of uplift of India.
[6:28] You must call him and keep him with you.
[6:31] My infinite love to him.
[6:33] Where is Gupta? Gupta's referring to
[6:35] Swamiji's first monk disciple, Swami
[6:38] Sadananda. Let him come if he likes.
[6:41] Call him in my name.
[6:44] Remember these few things. He's going to
[6:47] give instructions for the monks, but
[6:50] also really we can take inspiration from
[6:53] them, all of us.
[6:55] One. This part is for the monks. We are
[6:58] sannyasins. Bhakti, bhukti, mukti,
[7:02] everything has been renounced. So,
[7:06] sannyasins
[7:08] for sannyasins even devotion Bhukti
[7:11] means
[7:12] enjoyment and mukti means liberation and
[7:15] bhakti means devotion. Here he's
[7:16] suggesting that monks at least are
[7:19] called on to give up even the bhakti. Of
[7:21] course, the bhukti will give up. They
[7:23] will give up seeking for enjoyment, but
[7:25] he's suggesting even seeking after
[7:27] devotion or seeking after liberation is
[7:29] to be given up by the sannyasins. So,
[7:31] it's a very high call that
[7:34] high Swamiji sets the bar very high for
[7:38] his ideal of monasticism, the ideal
[7:40] monastic. To do Number two, to do good
[7:44] to the world, to do good to everyone
[7:47] down to the lowest chandala is our vow.
[7:51] Let whatever comes, liberation or hell.
[7:58] So, this is our vow, he says. This is
[8:00] the vow of the
[8:02] sannyasin of the one who is dedicated to
[8:05] Sri Ramakrishna to to do good to the
[8:07] world to everyone down to the people who
[8:11] are rejected by society. So, if you
[8:13] really think about this, who are the
[8:15] chandalas in America?
[8:18] Mhm?
[8:19] >> Minorities.
[8:21] >> I'm the the chandalas means the people
[8:23] that you don't even want to touch them.
[8:25] Who is it that we don't want to touch?
[8:27] We see them every day when we're walking
[8:28] around in the city.
[8:30] The unhoused, the people living on the
[8:32] streets right outside. They're the
[8:34] chandalas of today here in America.
[8:36] Where we have them. Who are you We don't
[8:38] want to touch them. Right? I don't want
[8:40] to touch them.
[8:41] Swami Vivekananda says, do good to them.
[8:45] Let whatever comes, liberation or hell,
[8:48] to do good to everyone down to the
[8:50] lowest chandala and especially to the
[8:52] lowest chandala would be his
[8:54] his further remark, I think. Three,
[8:56] Ramakrishna Paramahamsa came for the
[8:59] good of the world.
[9:01] Call him a man, God, or an incarnation
[9:04] as you please.
[9:06] Accept him in your own light.
[9:10] This is something Vivekananda comes back
[9:12] to several times in these letters.
[9:15] He never He himself, it is clear from
[9:18] his writings from his letters as well as
[9:20] from the hymns he wrote to Sri
[9:22] Ramakrishna that he considered Sri
[9:23] Ramakrishna to be an avatara, a
[9:26] manifestation of God in human form, an
[9:28] incarnation of God like Jesus, like
[9:30] Buddha, like Rama, like Krishna. Swami
[9:33] Vivekananda considered his guru
[9:36] to be that to be that. However, he also
[9:40] was very clear that this is not to be
[9:42] preached. He did not want this to be
[9:45] emphasized. Let people accept him as
[9:47] they see him. He never
[9:50] This is a an interesting contrast to the
[9:53] Christianity of that time and even to a
[9:55] certain extent today. This idea that uh
[9:58] yes, Jesus is God and you have to
[10:00] believe it and if you don't believe it,
[10:01] you're going to hell forever. So,
[10:03] >> [laughter]
[10:03] >> that's a pretty uh different kind of
[10:05] attitude to the Swami Vivekananda say,
[10:07] "Well, Ramakrishna was God, yes, but uh
[10:10] it doesn't matter. You don't have to
[10:11] believe that. You can look at him You
[10:13] can look at him however you like. You
[10:15] see him in your own light, according to
[10:16] your own understanding."
[10:18] I often think that even to say
[10:20] incarnation of God, it doesn't carry
[10:23] that much meaning to me because
[10:26] do I know God? Have I realized God? Do I
[10:29] know what the word God actually means?
[10:31] Have I touched that infinite reality,
[10:34] that infinite existence, consciousness,
[10:36] bliss? Have I Have I gotten a glimpse of
[10:40] that one by whose will this world has
[10:42] come into manifestation? No. So, then to
[10:45] say incarnation of God, it's big words
[10:47] which really don't have much meaning.
[10:49] So,
[10:51] I for me personally, I I see that Swami
[10:54] Vivekananda saw Sri Ramakrishna as a
[10:56] great world teacher and I look at him
[10:58] like that, as a uh clearly as a
[11:00] who came not just for
[11:03] Calcutta, he came not just for Bengal,
[11:06] he came not just for India. Now, he
[11:08] didn't came not just for Asia, he came
[11:10] for the whole world. That is Swami
[11:11] Vivekananda's
[11:13] uh conviction
[11:14] and uh I like that. A great teacher who
[11:17] came for the good of the world. It
[11:18] doesn't matter what we call him. And he
[11:21] says, this is interesting,
[11:23] "He who will bow before him, one who
[11:25] will bow before him, will be converted
[11:28] into gold that very moment." So, he has
[11:32] this
[11:33] uh deep faith also in the power of Sri
[11:36] Ramakrishna, the the tremendous grace
[11:39] flowing
[11:40] from Sri Ramakrishna. Uh he says uh
[11:44] namaskar korbe. So, this idea actually
[11:46] namaskar we often think of as as just as
[11:49] saluting. One who will who will salute
[11:50] will bow before
[11:52] uh Sri Ramakrishna will be converted
[11:54] into gold that very moment. And then he
[11:57] says,
[11:58] he's telling the boys, as he calls them,
[12:00] "With this message, go from door to
[12:03] door, my boys. With this message." What
[12:05] message?
[12:06] Uh
[12:08] I think the the all four of these
[12:10] points, but especially this Ramakrishna
[12:14] Paramahamsa came for the good of the
[12:15] world and
[12:17] who will bow before him will be
[12:18] converted into gold and to good to the
[12:21] world to do good to the world. He came
[12:23] for the good of the world down to the
[12:26] outcast, down to the lowest in society,
[12:28] down to the uneducated, the ignorant,
[12:30] the hungry, the unhoused, etc.
[12:33] "With this message, go from door to
[12:35] door, my boys, and all your disquiet
[12:38] will vanish."
[12:40] Mhm? He found a lot of restlessness in
[12:43] his brothers, and he said, "That's
[12:45] because you're too much worrying about
[12:47] your own liberation. You're worrying
[12:49] about your own spiritual
[12:51] advancement. You will advance more
[12:53] spiritually if you dedicate your life to
[12:54] serving others. If you dedicate your
[12:56] life to loving the world the way Sri
[12:59] Ramakrishna loves you.
[13:00] That if you can do that, you will forget
[13:04] about your liberation, you will actually
[13:05] attain liberation. You will make more
[13:07] spiritual progress
[13:09] with that attitude than by thinking,
[13:11] 'Oh, I I want liberation. I want
[13:13] liberation. I want liberation.' And uh
[13:16] what do I How should the bell be rung on
[13:18] the left side or on the right side? And
[13:20] all those silly questions."
[13:24] "Do not fear.
[13:25] You do not want anything from this
[13:27] world, then where is the place of fear?
[13:34] So, he's suggesting that the monks, his
[13:36] brother monks, have no desire for
[13:38] anything from the world. They don't
[13:39] expect to get anything from the world.
[13:42] In that case, where is their place for
[13:43] fear? There's a lesson here. Fear comes
[13:46] from, apparently, and here he's
[13:47] suggesting that fear comes from
[13:50] wanting, from expecting something, from
[13:52] some kind of desire.
[13:55] You have so long spread his name and
[13:58] your character all around.
[14:01] Your character or does he mean his
[14:02] character? That's the question.
[14:04] Well and good. Now spread them in an
[14:07] organized way.
[14:08] The Lord is with you, fear not.
[14:14] And just let me look at that.
[14:21] Interesting, it does say your character.
[14:24] Um
[14:27] Checking the Bengali.
[14:28] Uh
[14:30] You have so long spread his name and
[14:33] your character all around. Well and
[14:34] good. Now spread them in an organized
[14:37] way. The Lord is with you, fear not.
[14:43] Swami Vivekananda recognized the power
[14:45] of organization and we can infer that it
[14:48] was his his being in the West that
[14:51] opened his eyes to the power of
[14:53] organization, the power of coming
[14:55] together, working together.
[14:58] Tremendous power in that. Everybody
[15:00] trying to work individually,
[15:03] we end up working against each other.
[15:05] So, the tremendous power of organization
[15:07] and he of course also recognized the
[15:09] defects of organization and he was
[15:11] afraid of those. But he felt finally
[15:13] that
[15:14] it the benefits outweighed the defects.
[15:18] Now, so
[15:19] uh whether I live or die, whether I go
[15:22] back to India or not, you go on
[15:25] spreading. Spread love. Engage Gupta
[15:29] also in this work, but remember one
[15:32] needs sword and shield to overcome
[15:36] others.
[15:39] This is of course
[15:41] one of Sri Ramakrishna's teachings. We
[15:44] find it in the gospel several times that
[15:46] if you want to commit suicide, a a a
[15:49] a nail knife it was a little knife that
[15:52] you used to cut your nails is enough.
[15:54] But if you want to kill others, you need
[15:56] a sword and a shield. Now he's talking
[15:58] of course not about actual killing, not
[16:00] about suicide. Sri Ramakrishna would
[16:02] never advocated for suicide. He's
[16:03] talking about attaining
[16:06] uh
[16:07] spiritual illumination, attaining
[16:08] liberation. For yourself, you just need
[16:12] a little you need intense some intense
[16:14] spiritual practice and you need some uh
[16:16] a little a little knowledge of the
[16:18] scriptures is enough.
[16:20] He used to give the example of the
[16:21] letter a man received a letter from his
[16:23] country home, but he misplaced it. And
[16:25] he searched everywhere for it. He
[16:27] engaged the whole household to find it.
[16:28] Finally, he found it. And the letter
[16:30] said what?
[16:32] Please send five seers of sweet meats
[16:34] and a couple of cloths back home. He
[16:38] read it. What did he do?
[16:41] Threw the letter away. He didn't need it
[16:42] anymore. He knew what it said. So like
[16:44] that, scriptural study, learn what the
[16:46] scriptures say. The scriptures say God
[16:48] is real. God is is in your own heart.
[16:51] God is your own true nature. Realize it.
[16:53] Okay, I don't need it anymore. Now it's
[16:55] time for practice. But
[16:57] for killing others, for bringing
[16:59] illumination to others, it is that is
[17:01] not enough. That for that we need
[17:03] scriptural study
[17:05] also. And so
[17:07] this is uh what he's referring to here.
[17:10] Don't all at the same time don't give up
[17:12] scriptural study.
[17:15] And then he gives a he quotes from the
[17:19] Hitopadesha, which is a connect
[17:21] collection of Sanskrit aphorisms,
[17:24] Sanskrit sayings,
[17:26] uh a big collection, kind of like the
[17:27] proverbs of the Bible, maybe.
[17:30] And this one is "San nimitte varam tyago
[17:34] vinashe niyate sati." What does it mean?
[17:38] "When death is so certain,
[17:41] it is better to die for a good cause."
[17:44] Interesting. Death is certain.
[17:47] Oh, we have our Sanskrit teacher here.
[17:49] I'll read it once more for her.
[17:51] "San nimitte varam tyago vinashe niyate
[17:55] sati." And the translation given here is
[17:58] "When death is so certain,
[18:00] it is better to die for a good cause."
[18:04] That is all. So, he ends the letter
[18:06] there, and then he doesn't end it
[18:07] because he gives a P.S. here.
[18:10] He says, "Remember my previous letter.
[18:12] Both men and women are wanted. There's
[18:17] no distinction of sex in the soul."
[18:20] See,
[18:23] this is
[18:24] wonderful to remember that Swami
[18:25] Vivekananda very much wanted uh
[18:28] the equality of men and women. And he
[18:32] very much wanted a women's monastic
[18:34] organization also to be started. And
[18:37] women monastic the the monks gathered in
[18:41] uh of course, in 1886,
[18:44] uh but it took uh
[18:46] the equivalent organ for the equivalent
[18:49] organization, the sister organization,
[18:50] to be founded, it took into the 1950s.
[18:53] And yet, Swami Vivekananda's even before
[18:56] he wrote down the rules of the order,
[18:58] he's telling them,
[19:00] "Mhm,
[19:00] fire up the women also. They also have
[19:02] to organize. They also have to do this."
[19:09] And in his rules of the order, as I
[19:11] think I've mentioned before, the first
[19:14] very first rule is this much this
[19:16] monastery is established for one's own
[19:18] liberation and for the welfare of the
[19:20] world. And the number rule number two is
[19:23] a sim- an an identical or similar mutt
[19:26] must be established for women. It's the
[19:29] very second rule. And then it took it
[19:31] took them
[19:33] took us, I should say,
[19:35] more than 50 years.
[19:37] But it's
[19:38] actually before we we were ahead of the
[19:40] game here in Hollywood because our
[19:41] convent started before the Sharda Mutt
[19:43] started. So we're ahead of the game
[19:45] here.
[19:46] Remember my previous letter? Both men
[19:48] and women are wanted. There is no
[19:50] distinction of sex in the soul. It won't
[19:53] do merely to call him an incarnation. It
[19:56] won't do merely to say, "Oh, Ramakrishna
[19:57] is an avatar. Ramakrishna avatar."
[20:00] What is needed is the manifestation of
[20:02] Shakti, the manifestation of power. We
[20:04] need to manifest power. And then he asks
[20:07] about the women. "Where are Go- Sri
[20:09] Ramakrishna's disciples? Where are Gour
[20:10] Ma, Yogananda, and Golap Ma?
[20:13] Tell them to spread these ideas.
[20:16] We need thousands of men and women who
[20:19] will spread like wildfire from the
[20:21] Himalayas to Kanyakumari."
[20:23] So in other words, from the very north
[20:24] of India to the very south of India.
[20:26] From the north Then he says, "From the
[20:28] North Pole to the South Pole, all over
[20:30] the world even.
[20:33] All over the world, let them spread.
[20:36] It is not a matter of child's play, nor
[20:39] is there any time for that. Let those
[20:41] who have come for child's play be off
[20:44] now while there is time. Otherwise, they
[20:47] will be in trouble.
[20:48] We want an organization.
[20:51] Set aside laziness and lethargy. Spread
[20:54] Spread Spread like fire in all
[20:57] directions. Do not depend on me, whether
[21:00] I live or die, you go on spreading
[21:03] spreading yourselves.
[21:06] Iti Narendra. He He signs with his just
[21:09] this Iti thus, this this much this this
[21:12] much as it were. Narendra is still
[21:14] signing with his pre-monastic name to
[21:16] his brothers.
[21:17] Mhm. The interesting this I Swami
[21:20] Vivekananda really wanted the message of
[21:23] Vedanta to spread all over the world,
[21:26] all over India, all over the world.
[21:29] And we see how Swami Saradananda, the
[21:31] previous head of our center who left the
[21:33] body in 2012, he also had this I he he
[21:35] took this command of Swami Vivekananda
[21:38] really to heart. He also wanted to
[21:40] spread and
[21:41] thanks in large part to him we have all
[21:44] these
[21:44] we call them sometimes private centers,
[21:46] all these
[21:47] uh small centers in different places in
[21:50] this country
[21:51] without a monk there, without a nun
[21:52] there in most cases, but uh not formally
[21:56] affiliated to the order, but set up in
[21:58] along the same lines, gathering around
[22:01] the teachings of Vedanta, the teachings
[22:02] of Sri Ramakrishna and Swami
[22:04] Vivekananda. So, places like Pittsburgh,
[22:07] Raleigh, mhm
[22:10] uh uh
[22:11] Atlanta,
[22:14] Phoenix, Arizona, Las Vegas,
[22:17] uh etc. There's a there's a quite a
[22:19] number of them, over a dozen.
[22:22] That is wonderful. And Swami Saradananda
[22:24] has a map of the United States on the
[22:26] wall. It's still in Swami Saradananda's
[22:28] room. There's a map of the United States
[22:29] and he had a little push pin on the map
[22:31] for every official center and also a
[22:34] little push pin on the map for every
[22:35] unofficial center. And he wanted that
[22:37] there should be a push pin in every
[22:39] state. So, he he worked for that. Austin
[22:42] Oh, Texas, there are three in there are
[22:43] two in Texas, in Dallas and Austin.
[22:47] Houston is now an official affiliated
[22:49] center, so the Houston center is
[22:52] official and there's two more centers
[22:54] there. So,
[22:56] amazing. Now, we're going to shift
[22:57] gears. It's we are going to get a very
[22:59] personal letter to his American mother,
[23:01] Mrs. Ellen Isabel Hale.
[23:05] And where is she? I'm not sure because
[23:08] he is writing from their home in
[23:10] Chicago.
[23:11] >> [laughter]
[23:11] >> Uh so she is not there
[23:14] evidently.
[23:16] But he's writing to her.
[23:18] 11th June 1894 is the date of the
[23:20] letter. Dear Mother,
[23:22] We are all doing very well here.
[23:24] Last night the sisters invited me and
[23:27] Mrs. Norton and Miss Howe, that is Grace
[23:29] Howe, and Mr. Frank Howe.
[23:32] We had a grand dinner and soft-shell
[23:35] crab and many other things and a very
[23:37] nice time.
[23:38] Miss Howe left this morning.
[23:43] The sisters and Mother Temple are taking
[23:46] very good care of me.
[23:48] Just now I am going to see my Oh my dear
[23:51] Gandhi.
[23:52] He's referring to Virachand Gandhi who
[23:55] was the Jain representative at the
[23:57] Parliament of Religions in 1893. Uh who
[24:01] apparently had a habit of saying very
[24:03] often "Oh my dear. Oh my dear." So
[24:05] Swamiji puts in quotes my "Oh my dear
[24:07] Gandhi."
[24:09] >> [laughter]
[24:10] >> Uh
[24:11] then he mentions Narasimha again.
[24:12] Narasimha was here yesterday. He wanted
[24:15] to go to Cincinnati where he says he has
[24:17] more chances of success than anywhere
[24:19] else in the world.
[24:21] I gave him the passage and so I hope I
[24:25] have got the white elephant out of my
[24:27] hands for the time being.
[24:29] Narasimha was a a loafer, uh a
[24:31] ne'er-do-well. He came obviously from
[24:34] well-to-do background of wealthy
[24:35] background and he just couldn't do
[24:37] anything. He came to the Parliament of
[24:39] Religions. He hung on to Swamiji and he
[24:42] ended up becoming completely broke and
[24:45] begging money from people and begging
[24:47] money also from Swamiji.
[24:49] And
[24:50] on February 14, 1894, this is 11th June
[24:54] 1894, he had written he was stranded in
[24:56] a hotel in Nashville, Tennessee and he
[24:58] had written to Swamiji. Uh
[25:01] Dear Swami, I have come here and without
[25:03] being able to get out I'm stopping and I
[25:04] would be very much obliged if you would
[25:06] kindly send me $50 so that I can fix the
[25:08] whole thing and come over to Chicago
[25:09] from which place I shall go back home to
[25:12] Madras. Please do so at once as I am in
[25:14] trouble hoping to hear from you soon. I
[25:16] remain yours sincerely, Narasimhacharya.
[25:18] And Swamiji had forwarded that letter to
[25:20] Mrs. Hale, which is why we still have
[25:22] it. And it looks like he then he must
[25:24] have given him the money and so he's
[25:26] come to Chicago, but he's not going
[25:27] home. He's now gone to Cincinnati
[25:29] because he says that's the place where I
[25:31] can succeed more likely than any other
[25:32] place in the world. So Swamiji calls him
[25:34] a white elephant. I looked up white
[25:36] elephant. It's quite interesting. We I
[25:37] think we most of us have an
[25:38] understanding of what it means. A
[25:40] possession which costs more to maintain
[25:44] or to keep than it is worth. Something
[25:47] that is really
[25:48] troublesome to its owner. What what is
[25:51] the source of this? Siam. The the
[25:56] former Thailand was formerly known as
[25:58] Siam and in those days there were
[26:01] some elephants with very pale skin.
[26:03] Maybe they're albino white elephant and
[26:05] they were considered very sacred.
[26:08] So they were
[26:10] You couldn't put it to work. Elephants
[26:13] people would would maintain keep them,
[26:14] right? And they would have to feed them
[26:16] and they would put them to work. But a
[26:17] white elephant you have to keep it and
[26:19] you have to feed it, but you can't make
[26:21] it work. So in fact it was even it's
[26:23] even said that the king of Siam would
[26:26] gift a white elephant to one of his
[26:28] courtiers that he didn't like because
[26:31] the white elephant would bring financial
[26:32] ruin.
[26:34] >> [laughter]
[26:35] >> So this is a white elephant. So
[26:36] Narasimhacharya is being called here a
[26:39] white elephant. He's only sucking money
[26:42] out of out of people and and not giving
[26:44] anything in return. So
[26:46] that is Narasimha.
[26:49] How is Father Pope doing now? Hope he
[26:51] has been much benefited by the mud fish
[26:54] business.
[26:56] Uh okay, there uh here it gives the
[26:58] details. Swamiji mailed the letter
[27:01] to Indiana Mineral Springs, Warren
[27:05] County, Indiana, where Mr. and Mrs. Hale
[27:07] were that summer.
[27:09] The Mudlavia Resort in Warren County was
[27:12] renowned for its mud baths and mineral
[27:14] springs.
[27:16] The Hale and McKindley sisters remained
[27:18] at home, the four sisters with whom
[27:19] Swamiji was so close. Under the care of
[27:21] Mrs. Hale Mr. Hale's sister, Mrs. Mary
[27:25] Frances Matthews, whom Swamiji called
[27:27] Mother Temple.
[27:28] He called Mrs. Hale Mother Church.
[27:31] Uh so, um he's giving a little joke
[27:34] about the mud fish business.
[27:36] I had a very beautiful letter from Miss
[27:38] Guernsey of New York giving you her
[27:40] regards. I'm going downtown to buy a new
[27:42] pair of shoes as well as to get some
[27:44] money. My purse having been made empty
[27:47] by Narasimha.
[27:49] Nothing more to write. Yes, we went to
[27:52] see the Charley's Aunt. I nearly killed
[27:55] myself with laughing.
[27:57] Father Pope will enjoy it extremely. I
[27:59] had never seen anything so funny. Yours
[28:02] affectionately, Vivekananda.
[28:05] I think we touched on this last because
[28:07] our previous letter also mentioned
[28:09] Charley's Aunt. It was apparently a
[28:11] hilarious play and I have to tell you
[28:13] that um
[28:16] my elementary school put on this play.
[28:19] And I hardly remember it. I didn't act
[28:21] in it, but I watched it. Remember the
[28:22] thing that was most shocking is that
[28:24] they have some uh the the actors have to
[28:27] kiss each other on the lips uh because
[28:29] it's a romance. So, our our elementary
[28:33] school school students, the eighth
[28:34] graders, one boy and one girl, they had
[28:35] to kiss each other. And so, that's the
[28:37] part I remember most. I was shocked, you
[28:38] know, oh my god, kissing oh my god. That
[28:41] was really shocking to me.
[28:43] Uh but they pulled it off, I guess, more
[28:44] or less. And there was a a line in the
[28:47] in the uh play that kept recurring which
[28:50] was Brazil, you know, where the nuts
[28:53] come from. Referring to I guess nuts,
[28:56] not only
[28:57] you know, the eating nuts, but crazy
[28:59] people.
[29:00] And it's a
[29:02] um
[29:03] it's a
[29:04] it's a complicated thing. There's a
[29:07] a
[29:08] a man who dresses up as a woman to be
[29:11] who becomes Charlie's aunt and all that
[29:13] and of course in the end everybody has a
[29:14] happy ending.
[29:16] But
[29:16] >> Sounds like Mrs. Doubtfire.
[29:18] >> So it was
[29:20] it was apparently
[29:22] Swamiji loved it and Swamiji loved to
[29:24] laugh. He was not a sour guy and for
[29:27] relaxation he would read the
[29:30] humor magazine and just enjoy it and
[29:32] just laugh and laugh and and blow
[29:36] because he was deep inside there was
[29:37] this tremendous
[29:39] wellspring of joy that was bubbling up
[29:41] in the midst of his sorrow in the midst
[29:43] of his also because he also felt so
[29:45] strongly for the suffering of humanity.
[29:49] So in on the one hand his heart bled for
[29:52] the suffering humanity on the other hand
[29:54] there was also at the same time this
[29:56] current of joy in him always.
[29:59] Reminds me of an old Swami
[30:02] I knew Swami Bhadrananda, old English
[30:05] Swami.
[30:06] He was a real character. He was in
[30:09] Trabuco and I had the
[30:11] privilege of serving him during the last
[30:13] year of his life.
[30:14] And one day he was tremendous suffering.
[30:18] And one day
[30:19] he he got into some kind of ecstasy and
[30:23] he started weeping and he said
[30:26] he didn't know how to express it exactly
[30:28] but it's something like amidst all this
[30:30] suffering at the same time this current
[30:33] of bliss.
[30:34] So that's a little
[30:36] hint that's one of the few hints that
[30:38] I've ever received from a from a
[30:41] senior monk about his spiritual
[30:43] experience. So,
[30:49] and he we used to have good fun. We used
[30:50] to laugh and laugh also telling joke He
[30:52] used to have an earthy sense of humor.
[30:55] You know, the kind of British humor. It
[30:58] was
[30:58] sometimes very funny.
[31:00] All right, we're going to have another
[31:02] letter.
[31:03] Any comments or questions by the way
[31:05] thus far?
[31:09] This letter Yes.
[31:10] >> What is Well, it's
[31:12] clearly your part. So, what does it mean
[31:13] to renounce
[31:15] To renounce devotion for a sannyasin?
[31:18] >> Yeah, I don't know. I think Well, what
[31:21] does it mean to renounce devotion?
[31:24] This idea that complete renunciation,
[31:27] not wanting anything, not even devotion.
[31:32] Now, if we look at the monks of the
[31:33] Ramakrishna order, most of them
[31:35] cultivate devotion, the monks and nuns.
[31:38] Most of them cultivate devotion. And and
[31:41] and Swami Vivekananda himself, though he
[31:43] said, "I'm all Jnana on the outside, I'm
[31:45] all Bhakti on the inside." So, we
[31:47] cultivate devotion.
[31:49] This extreme height of
[31:53] tyaga of renunciation in the sense that
[31:56] I don't Why do we want devotion? Well,
[31:58] it feels good, doesn't it? When we feel
[32:00] a little love for God, we feel joy
[32:03] because love and joy are really two
[32:06] sides of the same principle, that
[32:09] principle of oneness manifesting in
[32:12] duality. It's It's that brings us
[32:14] tremendous joy. So, we crave that joy.
[32:17] The The devotee that
[32:19] One on the path of devotion craves that
[32:22] feeling of love. So,
[32:25] in some sense, it could be argued that
[32:27] it's selfish.
[32:28] So, perhaps that's what he's saying
[32:30] here. I can't say for sure.
[32:32] Bhakti, Bhukti, Mukti, everything. But,
[32:36] he does say and in just the previous
[32:37] line he said, "Love the world like
[32:40] that." So, he doesn't say give up love.
[32:42] He He says give up the craving for
[32:45] bhakti, and maybe he in his mind also
[32:47] bhakti is connected with the worship
[32:50] room. And he was very afraid, he would
[32:53] say, of the worship room because he
[32:54] knows the Indian temperament of going on
[32:57] increasing puja and making it more
[32:59] complicated and emphasizing rituals over
[33:02] the essence of religion, which is love,
[33:04] and not just love for God, but love for
[33:07] everyone.
[33:09] So.
[33:12] Oh, another another comment.
[33:14] >> I guess
[33:15] technically during sannyasa don't
[33:18] isn't doesn't the monk give up like the
[33:20] Gayatri mantra and all the way the
[33:22] bhakti, so to speak. So, is he referring
[33:24] to that maybe also?
[33:26] >> Could be. Could be, yes. The Gayatri
[33:28] mantra is given up and the
[33:31] um
[33:32] the desire for any kind of enjoyment.
[33:35] That line perfectly expresses it in the
[33:39] song of the sannyasin, the the final
[33:41] uh
[33:42] vow of the sannyasin,
[33:44] uh which can't be translated, of course,
[33:46] but say peace to all. From me no danger
[33:49] be to all that lives. In those that
[33:52] dwell on high, in those that lowly
[33:54] creep, I am the self in all. All life,
[33:58] both here and there do I renounce. All
[34:01] heavens and earths and hells. All hopes
[34:05] and fears.
[34:07] That line That verse particularly
[34:09] Swamiji put in the uh the
[34:11] the
[34:13] sannyasin verses, the sannyasin
[34:16] vrata, you can say.
[34:17] All right, we're going to have a letter
[34:19] now to Professor John Henry Wright. Of
[34:22] course, we remember John Henry Wright
[34:24] was
[34:25] his ticket, as it were, to the
[34:27] Parliament of Religions. He had didn't
[34:28] have any credentials. He came to
[34:30] Chicago. The Parliament wasn't starting
[34:33] yet, but
[34:34] they also told him, "Well, you don't
[34:35] have any credentials. Who are you?" And
[34:37] he So, he came, he ended up going to
[34:39] Massachusetts. Uh
[34:41] Kate Tannahill Woods introduced him to
[34:42] her friend John Henry Wright, who was a
[34:44] Harvard professor, and meeting him he
[34:46] was like, "To ask you for credentials is
[34:48] like asking the sun for its credentials
[34:50] to shine to shine asking the sun for its
[34:52] right to shine." And he wrote to the
[34:54] parliament said this man is more learned
[34:56] than all our professors put together,
[34:57] etc. etc. So, he was a very close friend
[34:59] and a supporter of Swamiji.
[35:04] So, this is he's writing from Chicago
[35:06] again, 18th June 1894. Dear Adhyapakji,
[35:10] Adhyapak means something like professor.
[35:12] He is a Sanskrit word.
[35:14] Excuse my delay in sending the other
[35:16] letters. I could not find them earlier.
[35:19] I'm going to New York in a week. He was
[35:22] very concerned that Professor Wright
[35:24] should be reassured that he is a genuine
[35:26] Sannyasin because the
[35:30] critics, the missionaries, and his
[35:33] Indian critics were spreading the
[35:35] teaching the spreading the the gossip
[35:37] the false gossip that's that Swami
[35:39] Vivekananda was not a genuine Sannyasin.
[35:41] He was just Narendra Nath Datta and he
[35:44] he put on the garb of Sannyasin for
[35:48] false reasons and
[35:50] uh he's not living up to the vows of a
[35:52] Sannyasin and all that stuff. And so, he
[35:55] wanted
[35:56] he didn't Swami Vivekananda never
[35:58] defended himself publicly.
[36:01] But at least to some of his close
[36:03] supporters, he wanted them to be
[36:04] reassured. So, he did send some letters
[36:07] that had come
[36:08] uh
[36:09] which affirmed his
[36:12] um
[36:13] bonafides.
[36:15] I do not know whether I will come to
[36:17] Annisquam or not.
[36:19] The letters need not be sent over to me
[36:21] until I write you again.
[36:23] Mrs. Bagley seems to be unsettled by
[36:25] that article in the Boston paper against
[36:28] me. She sent me over a copy from Detroit
[36:30] and has ceased correspondence with me.
[36:33] Lord bless her. She has been very kind
[36:35] to me. So, here we hear
[36:38] a kind of a grief here because he thinks
[36:40] that Mrs. Bagley, Mrs. Francis Elizabeth
[36:43] Newbury Bagley from Detroit uh
[36:46] lost faith in Swamiji. But,
[36:49] she didn't.
[36:50] And it was a brief It was a brief uh
[36:52] pause in correspondence. And here is
[36:55] quoted uh
[36:57] this whole matter is is indicated in the
[37:00] footnotes. And uh this is the thing. The
[37:03] Boston Daily Advertiser, one of the
[37:05] newspapers, on 16 May 1894 ran an
[37:08] article titled A Prophet from India
[37:12] quoting from
[37:13] the
[37:14] Unity and the Minister of Calcutta, the
[37:17] official organ of the Brahmo Samaj led
[37:19] by Mr. Mazoomdar, and from another two
[37:21] Christian newspapers, all of which
[37:23] attempted to undermine Swamiji's
[37:25] credibility. We know how Mazoomdar was
[37:27] spreading lies about Swamiji.
[37:29] Um
[37:30] And some Americans wrote to the editor
[37:33] in defense of Swamiji. And that appeared
[37:36] uh in on the next day, on 17th May.
[37:39] Uh
[37:39] Letters to the editor, Vivekananda.
[37:42] And
[37:44] um
[37:50] So, some people uh the the the quotation
[37:53] that appeared in your paper about Swami
[37:54] Vivekananda that may mislead the public
[37:56] was that quote. But, um
[38:01] Mrs. Bagley wrote to a friend
[38:04] on 22nd June 1894 in eloquent defense of
[38:08] Swamiji uh from Annisquam. And here is a
[38:11] part of her letter. You write of my dear
[38:13] friend Vivekananda.
[38:15] I am glad of an opportunity to express
[38:17] my admiration of his character.
[38:20] He has given us in America higher
[38:22] ideals, ideas of life than we have ever
[38:25] had before.
[38:27] He has been a revelation to Christians.
[38:29] He has made possible for us all a
[38:32] diviner and more noble practical life.
[38:35] As a religious teacher and an example to
[38:38] all, I do not know of his equal.
[38:41] He has been a guest in my house more
[38:43] than 3 weeks and my sons as well as my
[38:45] son-in-law and my entire family found
[38:48] Swami Vivekananda a gentleman always,
[38:51] most courteous and polite, a charming
[38:53] companion and ever welcome guest.
[38:56] I have invited him to visit us at my
[38:58] summer home here at Annisquam and in my
[39:01] family he will always be honored and
[39:03] welcomed.
[39:05] I am really sorry for those who say a
[39:07] light against him.
[39:09] He is a strong, noble human being, one
[39:12] who walks with God. He is as simple and
[39:14] trustful as a child. He does not
[39:17] antagonize but lifts people up to a
[39:19] higher level.
[39:20] They see something beyond man-made
[39:23] creeds and denominational names and they
[39:26] feel one with him in their religious
[39:28] beliefs.
[39:30] Every human being would be made better
[39:32] by knowing him and living in the same
[39:34] house with him.
[39:36] I want everyone in America to know
[39:38] Vivekananda and if India has more such,
[39:41] let her send them to us.
[39:45] Yeah, alas, such a such a one is very
[39:48] rare.
[39:50] But
[39:51] that is a beautiful praise of Mrs.
[39:54] Bagley about Vivekananda.
[39:56] So, the letter to Professor Wright
[39:58] continues.
[40:00] Very touching how he talks with his his
[40:03] friend. Stout hearts like yours are not
[40:05] common, my brother.
[40:07] This is a queer place, this world of
[40:09] ours.
[40:11] On the whole, I am very very thankful to
[40:14] the Lord for the amount of kindness I
[40:16] have received at the hands of the people
[40:18] of this country. I, a complete stranger
[40:21] here, without even credentials, {quote}
[40:24] {unquote}.
[40:26] Everything works for the best. Yours
[40:28] ever in gratitude, Vivekananda.
[40:31] So, he's referring credentials
[40:33] specifically because he because it was
[40:35] John Henry Wright who said you don't
[40:36] need credentials and then wrote for him
[40:38] all of that.
[40:40] P.S. The East India stamps are for your
[40:42] children if they like. So, he must have
[40:44] from some of the letters that he
[40:45] received from India, he tore off the
[40:47] stamps and put them in his
[40:50] letter to
[40:51] Professor Wright for his kids.
[40:54] When are you going to Annisquam? My love
[40:56] to Austin and Bessie. My respects to
[40:58] your wife. And for you, my love and
[41:02] gratitude is too deep for expression.
[41:05] Yours ever affectionately, Vivekananda.
[41:10] They had three children, Elizabeth or
[41:12] Bessie,
[41:13] who was 14, Austin was 11, and
[41:16] John, the baby, who was just three. And
[41:18] Bessie, Elizabeth, would die in in in a
[41:21] year. In in about two years, she was she
[41:24] died. And Swamiji's letter of condolence
[41:27] to Professor Wright is also very
[41:28] touching. That comes later.
[41:31] So, we'll carry on. This next letter is
[41:34] written to India, but in English. So, we
[41:36] have his original words.
[41:38] Uh
[41:39] first letter, I forgot to mention it was
[41:41] translated from Bengali.
[41:43] Um
[41:44] He's writing to Dewan Haridas Viharidas
[41:46] Desai.
[41:47] He was uh
[41:49] a De- a Dewan is some kind of government
[41:52] official.
[41:53] And
[41:55] uh there's a footnote about him, so I'm
[41:56] just going to remember what that is. He
[41:59] served as a Dewan of Junagadh state in
[42:01] Gujarat. He was a devout individual and
[42:04] an exceptional administrator who
[42:06] implemented significant reforms across
[42:08] all departments of the state within a
[42:10] decade.
[42:11] And Swami Vivekananda, after he died in
[42:15] the August of 1895. He was uh
[42:19] 23 years older than Swamiji. Swamiji
[42:22] wrote at that time, he was like a father
[42:24] to me. He was a father to me. So,
[42:26] Swamiji loved him, respected him like a
[42:28] father.
[42:29] So, he's writing on the 20th June
[42:31] 1894, 2 days after the last letter. Dear
[42:34] Dewanji Saheb,
[42:36] Your very kind note came today.
[42:38] I am so so sorry that I could have
[42:40] caused pain to such a noble heart as
[42:43] yours with my rash and strong words.
[42:48] Probably he was referring to the
[42:49] previous letter that Swamiji wrote to
[42:52] him.
[42:54] Uh a couple of months before.
[42:57] I bow down to your mild corrections.
[43:00] Quote, "Thy son am I, teach me thus
[43:03] bowing."
[43:05] Then he puts dash, Gita. He is referring
[43:08] to a chapter uh
[43:10] two where
[43:12] Arjuna tells Sri Krishna Shishyas
[43:15] teham shadhimam tam prapannam. I am your
[43:18] shishya, son or disciple, of course. Uh
[43:21] but he's saying, "Thy son am I, teach me
[43:24] thus bowing."
[43:25] from the Gita. But you well know,
[43:27] Dewanji Saheb, it was my love that
[43:29] prompted me to to say so.
[43:32] The backbiters, I must tell you, have
[43:34] not indirectly benefited me. Perhaps
[43:36] Dewanji was asking the the back all the
[43:38] problems Swamiji said. He's going to
[43:40] reveal more of his struggle in this
[43:43] letter.
[43:44] On the other hand,
[43:45] they have injured me immensely in the
[43:47] face of the fact that our Hindu people
[43:49] did not move a finger to tell the
[43:51] Americans that I represented them.
[43:54] Had our people sent some words thanking
[43:56] the American people for their kindness
[43:57] to me and stating that I was
[43:59] representing them,
[44:01] Mr. Mazoomdar and a man called Nagarkar
[44:04] from Bombay and a Christian girl called
[44:06] Sorabji, referring to Jeane Sorabji from
[44:09] Poona, have been telling the American
[44:10] people that I have donned the sannyasi's
[44:12] garb only in America, and that I was a
[44:14] cheat bare and simple.
[44:17] Uh now, Swamiji didn't know that
[44:20] already meetings were held in his
[44:22] defense, and shortly he would get the
[44:24] news of these
[44:26] meetings, and so he would have this
[44:28] tremendous relief.
[44:30] Uh but for the time being, he's still in
[44:32] the dark about that, and so he is
[44:34] expressing some of his frustration
[44:36] privately, never publicly, but
[44:37] privately.
[44:42] Now, so far as reception goes, it has no
[44:44] effect on the American nation. But so
[44:47] far as helping me with funds goes, it
[44:50] has a terrible effect in making them
[44:52] take off their helping hands off me.
[44:55] And it is 1 year since I've been here,
[44:57] and not one man of note from India has
[45:00] thought it fit to make the Americans
[45:01] know that I am no cheat.
[45:03] Then again, the missionaries are always
[45:05] seeking for something against me, and
[45:07] they're busy picking up anything said
[45:09] against me by the Christian papers of
[45:11] India, and publishing it here.
[45:14] Now, you must know that the people here
[45:16] know very little of the distinction in
[45:17] India between the Christian and the
[45:19] Hindu.
[45:21] So, this is anyhow, this is the struggle
[45:25] that Swamiji faced. We forget this part
[45:27] of of how
[45:29] uh we think of him, I at least I often
[45:31] think of spreading the gospel of
[45:32] Vedanta, but he also had to fight
[45:34] against tremendous odds, yet against it
[45:36] strong headwinds, all this kind of
[45:38] negative backbiting and and uh spreading
[45:41] of lies about him.
[45:43] And even assassination attempts, you
[45:45] know, the the attempt in Detroit where
[45:47] he was handed a cup of coffee,
[45:50] and
[45:51] he had a vision of Sri Ramakrishna who
[45:53] said, "It's poisoned. Don't drink it."
[45:56] So, Sri Ramakrishna was protecting him
[45:59] uh
[45:59] all along, and there was actually an
[46:02] attempt on his life.
[46:05] Primarily, my coming here has been to
[46:07] raise funds for an enterprise of my own.
[46:10] Let me tell it all to you again.
[46:13] So, Swamiji seems like he still has this
[46:15] idea that one of the main reasons for
[46:17] his coming to America was to raise
[46:19] funds. We know that afterwards he
[46:21] realized that it was much more than
[46:23] that, that he
[46:24] as Buddha had a message for the East, he
[46:26] had a message for the West, and he
[46:29] he began teaching in New York to small
[46:31] group of disciples and Thousand Island
[46:34] Park and all that until he realized that
[46:36] part of the part of his mission was to
[46:39] bring the teachings of Vedanta to the
[46:41] West. But always his heart also was
[46:44] there for India and he did send a lot of
[46:47] money to India for the work there.
[46:50] The whole difference and now he's going
[46:51] to go into a discussion of the
[46:53] difference between the East and the West
[46:54] and how education is the crying need of
[46:58] India.
[47:00] Primarily, my The whole difference
[47:02] between the West and the East is in
[47:03] this.
[47:04] They are nations. We are not. That is,
[47:08] civilization, education here is general.
[47:12] It penetrates into the masses.
[47:15] The higher classes in India and America
[47:17] are the same. But the distance is
[47:19] infinite between the lower classes of
[47:21] the two countries.
[47:24] It's really hard to imagine what things
[47:26] were like
[47:27] 150 years ago
[47:29] or 130 years ago. Um
[47:33] But in India, as I understand it,
[47:35] illiteracy was still very widespread in
[47:38] in those days. Uh
[47:41] Even now, there is illiteracy, but and
[47:43] even in America, there is illiteracy,
[47:45] but
[47:46] to be able to read, just be able to pick
[47:48] up a book and read and understand,
[47:50] that's a tremendous
[47:53] a power comes with that. And
[47:56] when the majority of people are unable
[47:59] to read, then how is
[48:01] society going to move forward?
[48:05] Why was it so easy for the English to
[48:07] conquer India? It It was because they
[48:10] are a nation, we are not.
[48:13] When one of our great men dies, we must
[48:15] sit for centuries to have another.
[48:17] They can produce them as fast as they
[48:19] die.
[48:20] When our Dewanji Saheb will pass away,
[48:22] which the Lord may delay long for the
[48:24] good of my country, the nation will see
[48:26] the difficulty at once of filling his
[48:28] place, which is seen even now.
[48:31] Why can they not dispense with your
[48:33] services? Probably he wanted to retire.
[48:36] It is the dearth of great ones. Why
[48:38] [snorts] so? Because they have such a
[48:40] bigger field of recruiting their great
[48:42] ones. We have so small.
[48:45] A nation of 300 million has the smallest
[48:48] field of recruiting its great ones
[48:50] compared with nations of 30, 40, or 60
[48:52] million because the number of educated
[48:55] men and women in those nations is so, so
[48:57] great.
[48:59] Now, do not mistake me, my kind friend.
[49:01] This is the great defect in our nation
[49:04] and must be removed. Underline.
[49:09] To That's why he charged our monks also
[49:12] with
[49:13] starting so many educational
[49:15] institutions and why still that's one of
[49:17] our main areas of work.
[49:20] To educate and raise the masses and thus
[49:23] alone a nation is possible.
[49:27] Our reformers do not see where the wound
[49:29] is. They want to save the nation by
[49:31] marrying the widows.
[49:33] Do you think that a nation is saved by
[49:35] the number of husbands its widows get?
[49:38] >> [laughter]
[49:39] >> Nor is our religion to blame, nor does
[49:42] an idol more or less make much
[49:45] difference. He's looking at the
[49:47] reformers who were addressing such
[49:48] things as
[49:50] widow remarriage because the widows of
[49:52] the higher classes weren't aren't were
[49:53] not permitted to remarry in those days
[49:56] and even now oftentimes there's still a
[49:59] stigma attached to that. And [snorts]
[50:01] uh
[50:02] uh
[50:03] idol worship, there was a lot of
[50:05] fomenting against idol worship. Swamiji
[50:07] says, "This is not the problem. The
[50:09] problem is lack of education. The whole
[50:11] defect is here. The real nation who live
[50:14] in cottages have forgotten their
[50:16] manhood, their individuality.
[50:19] Trodden under the feet of Hindus,
[50:21] Muslims, or Christians, they have come
[50:23] to think that they are born to be
[50:25] trodden under the foot of everybody who
[50:27] has money enough in his pocket.
[50:29] They are to be given back their lost
[50:31] individuality."
[50:33] Underlined. They are to be given back
[50:35] their lost individuality. They are to be
[50:38] educated.
[50:39] Whether idols will remain or not,
[50:41] whether widows will have husbands enough
[50:43] or not, whether caste is good or bad, I
[50:46] do not bother myself with such
[50:47] questions.
[50:49] Everyone must work out his own
[50:51] salvation. Our duty is to put the
[50:54] chemicals together. The crystallization
[50:57] will come through God's laws.
[50:59] Let us put ideas into their heads and
[51:02] they will do the rest. Now, this means
[51:05] educating the masses.
[51:08] Beautiful. In the in the rules of the
[51:10] order, he also says
[51:12] that the monks of the order will not
[51:13] trouble themselves with social problems
[51:15] because they're surface. They're they're
[51:18] effects of root root causes and the root
[51:21] causes are lack of education and lack of
[51:24] spirituality. These are the root causes
[51:27] of all the problems we see even in us in
[51:31] America today. We can say that these
[51:33] probably would be the root causes, lack
[51:35] of true spirituality, lack of proper
[51:37] education of of of of a a mind able to
[51:41] think
[51:42] deeply, see clearly, and not get swayed
[51:45] by emotional
[51:46] rants and all that and social media and
[51:48] all that.
[51:50] So, he didn't want to address the
[51:53] surface problems. So, here we have our
[51:55] own own fermentations now for various
[52:00] diff- for and against various things in
[52:02] this country. Swami would you say?
[52:04] Feed the tree at the root. Water the
[52:06] tree at the root. That is how then all
[52:09] these things will take care of
[52:10] themselves.
[52:13] Here are the difficulties. Here are
[52:15] these difficulties, he says. One, a
[52:17] pauper government cannot, will not do
[52:20] anything. So, no help from that quarter.
[52:23] Two, even if supposing we are in a
[52:26] position to open schools in each village
[52:29] free, still the poor boys would better
[52:32] go to the plow to earn their living
[52:33] rather than come to your school.
[52:35] We have neither the money, nor can we
[52:38] make them come to education. The problem
[52:40] seems hopeless.
[52:42] And then it was I believe at Kanyakumari
[52:45] when Swami Ji was meditating there that
[52:46] he had this epiphany how to make it
[52:49] happen. He says, "I have found a way
[52:50] out. It is this.
[52:53] If the mountain does not come to
[52:54] Muhammad, Muhammad must go to the
[52:56] mountain.
[52:57] If the poor cannot come to education,
[53:00] education must reach them at the plow,
[53:03] in the factory, everywhere.
[53:05] How?
[53:07] You have seen my brethren. Now, I can
[53:09] get hundreds of such all over India,
[53:11] unselfish, good, and educated. Let these
[53:14] men go from village to village bringing
[53:17] not only religion to the door of
[53:19] everyone, but education.
[53:22] So, I have a nucleus of organizing the
[53:24] widows also as instructors to our women.
[53:29] So, traditionally monks would wander
[53:32] from village to village staying in one
[53:34] place for no more than 3 days except
[53:36] during the rainy season begging their
[53:37] food from door to door and in exch- in a
[53:40] a of exchange though there's no
[53:42] requirement, but a kind of
[53:43] uh
[53:44] mutual reciprocity, they would bring
[53:48] spirituality, bring some spiritual
[53:50] teachings, bring some blessings,
[53:52] uh and so that householders in India
[53:55] would support the monks. Uh
[53:58] at least this much.
[54:00] Uh a little food. And they would beg
[54:03] food from various houses, so they won't
[54:05] cause too much difficulty in any one
[54:07] home. Little food here, little food
[54:08] there, but by
[54:10] going to four or five houses, one gets
[54:12] enough to eat.
[54:13] Uh [snorts] Swamiji says, "That's not
[54:15] enough. Little spirituality." Yes. Also,
[54:18] because they're educated, at least the
[54:21] monks of uh his his brother monks,
[54:23] they're educated. Bring also some
[54:26] practical education. So, he he would
[54:28] say, "Bring a Bring a slide projector,"
[54:31] which was called a camera in those days.
[54:32] So, he here he says, "Now, suppose the
[54:34] villagers, after the day's work, have
[54:36] come to their village and sitting under
[54:37] a tree or somewhere are smoking and
[54:39] talking the time away.
[54:41] Suppose two of these educated sannyasins
[54:43] get a hold of them there. And with a
[54:45] camera, means a slide projector, means
[54:47] with a
[54:48] uh of course a lantern, a kerosene
[54:51] lantern, and in front of that a a a
[54:54] some kind of a slide and then a lens and
[54:56] project the image on a sheet.
[54:59] Uh
[54:59] And with a camera, throw astronomical or
[55:02] other pictures, scenes from different
[55:03] nations, histories, et cetera. Thus,
[55:06] with globes, maps, et cetera, and all
[55:08] this orally.
[55:10] How much can be done in that way,
[55:12] Dewanji?
[55:13] It is not that the eye is the only door
[55:15] of knowledge. The ear can do all the
[55:18] same. So, they would have ideas and
[55:20] morality and hope for better.
[55:22] Here our work ends. Let them do the
[55:26] rest.
[55:27] What would make the sannyasins make the
[55:28] sacrifice, undertake such a task?
[55:31] Religious enthusiasm.
[55:33] Every new religious wave requires a new
[55:36] center. The old religion can only be
[55:39] revivified by a new center.
[55:44] Okay, I think it's it's clear, no? I'm
[55:46] reminded of when I served in our school
[55:49] in Narottam Nagar in India.
[55:52] And Narottam Nagar is it's a remote
[55:54] place in what's called a tribal area
[55:56] where there are indigenous peoples, kind
[55:58] of like Native Americans in America,
[56:00] indigenous peoples living there
[56:02] often with their own religious
[56:04] traditions and the in the villages the
[56:07] people the mostly they are unclad. They
[56:10] men and women both they have just a
[56:11] little cloth covering the their privates
[56:14] and that's it. Cold winter and summer
[56:16] and uh
[56:18] a amazing kind of
[56:20] uh simple life
[56:22] gather hunting and gathering and a
[56:24] little farming and things like that.
[56:26] Uh and it was a
[56:28] considered a very good school, but I was
[56:30] very surprised coming from the rich
[56:31] America to enter one of the classrooms
[56:34] there.
[56:35] And the classroom had uh benches for the
[56:38] students with both benches to sit on and
[56:41] the and the bench as a kind of a desk,
[56:43] row of benches
[56:45] and a chalkboard
[56:47] and a fan on the ceiling
[56:49] and a desk for the teacher
[56:51] and a dustbin.
[56:54] That's it.
[56:56] Nothing else.
[56:57] Now, we who have been educated in this
[56:58] country know that a classroom in a
[57:00] school has tons of stuff. There are maps
[57:02] on the walls, there there there there's
[57:05] there's a an aquarium with some rats in
[57:08] it or something or or there's a
[57:10] terrarium there's plants growing there
[57:12] the teachers will bring there's the
[57:13] classroom is full of stuff, full of
[57:15] teaching aids.
[57:17] Nothing.
[57:18] Books, it was all books. And yes, they
[57:20] they they were learning, but
[57:23] I was stunned to see the difference in
[57:25] the in the that you know they still
[57:28] because
[57:29] all those things cost.
[57:31] So the the love, the the tremendous
[57:35] wealth of the West was really brought
[57:37] home to me living in India for 6 years.
[57:39] Tremendous wealth here, tremendous.
[57:42] Just a street light, how many
[57:44] 10,000 of dollars probably a traffic
[57:46] light costs to install.
[57:49] And we have them everywhere.
[57:51] Now, why there are not too many traffic
[57:52] lights in India? Well, how come how much
[57:54] do they cost?
[57:59] Okay, let's just read a little more. We
[58:01] won't finish this letter, but there's
[58:02] this this powerful
[58:04] um
[58:05] Hang your dogmas or doctrines, they
[58:07] never pay.
[58:09] It is a character, a life, a center, a
[58:12] god-man that must lead the way. That
[58:15] must be the center around which all the
[58:17] other elements will gather themselves
[58:19] and then fall like a tidal wave upon
[58:21] society carrying all before it, washing
[58:24] away all impurities.
[58:27] Again, a piece of wood can only easily
[58:29] be cut along the grains.
[58:32] So, the old Hinduism can only be
[58:34] reformed through Hinduism and not
[58:37] through the newfangled reform movements.
[58:39] At the same time, the reformers must be
[58:41] able to unite in themselves the culture
[58:44] of both the East and the West.
[58:48] Now,
[58:49] do you not think that you have already
[58:50] seen the nucleus of such a great
[58:52] movement? That do you have heard the low
[58:54] rumblings of the coming tidal wave?
[58:57] That center,
[58:58] that god-man to lead, was born in India.
[59:02] He was the great Ramakrishna Paramahamsa
[59:04] and round him this band is slowly
[59:07] gathering.
[59:08] They will do the work.
[59:12] Okay, so that's where that's where we'll
[59:13] leave it, I think, today. Um
[59:15] but tremendous uh faith Sri Ramakrishna
[59:18] had, he could see how Sri Ramakrishna's
[59:20] advent was not just to have to grant uh
[59:25] spirituality to a few of his disciples,
[59:28] but he set in motion a a movement. He
[59:31] was like tidal wave and Swamiji speaks
[59:33] of of this tidal wave of spirituality,
[59:35] tidal wave of reform coming from within
[59:38] Hinduism, but reforming Hinduism and not
[59:41] stopping at the borders of India, but
[59:43] going all over the world, coming to the
[59:45] shores of America, washing all over
[59:48] America. Today, we had
[59:51] at our lunch table
[59:52] a couple from
[59:55] Russia.
[59:56] They uh uh particularly the the husband,
[59:59] I believe, uh is a uh fan of Vedanta. He
[1:00:03] studies Vedanta only He lives in a
[1:00:05] remote village in the middle of not
[1:00:07] village, but a a a
[1:00:08] a fairly remote city or small city in
[1:00:11] the middle of Russia, a thousand miles
[1:00:14] from Moscow. He though he said it's not
[1:00:16] that cold, it's not Siberia. And he is
[1:00:19] actually Muslim originally. And uh so
[1:00:22] it's an area where it's about 50%
[1:00:23] Muslim, 50% Christian. And he's been
[1:00:25] totally turned on by Vedanta. And he
[1:00:27] started with Nisargadatta Maharaj. And
[1:00:29] now he watches lots of videos of who?
[1:00:32] >> YouTube guru.
[1:00:34] >> Huh? They're our YouTube guru, Swami
[1:00:36] Sarvapriyananda. So he's watching those.
[1:00:38] And he's just visiting America and he
[1:00:40] didn't know about the Vedanta Society
[1:00:41] here. And he's walking around and
[1:00:43] suddenly he sees Vedanta Place. He's
[1:00:45] like Vedanta Terrace. He's like Vedanta
[1:00:47] Terrace, what's this? He sees Vedanta
[1:00:49] Place, he sees a temple. He shows So he
[1:00:52] comes here, he stumbles on the place.
[1:00:54] And so Swami Sarvapriyananda invited him
[1:00:55] for lunch and we had a nice chat at
[1:00:57] lunch. So the teachings of Vedanta are
[1:00:59] reaching into this remote cities in
[1:01:02] Russia and
[1:01:04] China and everywhere, everywhere in the
[1:01:06] world. It's that That's why Swamiji
[1:01:07] called it a tidal wave. It's It's going
[1:01:09] across the whole world.
[1:01:12] And he's he points out that for such a
[1:01:15] movement to take off, there has to be a
[1:01:16] center. There has to be some nucleus
[1:01:18] which is the driving force of it. And
[1:01:20] he's he says, "This is Ramakrishna.
[1:01:23] Ramakrishna is the center around which
[1:01:26] the this organization is forming. The he
[1:01:29] is the actually the power behind this
[1:01:31] transformation, this world movement
[1:01:33] which is uh
[1:01:35] crossing the world." So,
[1:01:37] with that, any last comments or
[1:01:39] questions?
[1:01:41] We thank the people who have joined us
[1:01:43] online.
[1:01:44] Uh
[1:01:45] there are 26 of you according to
[1:01:47] YouTube.
[1:01:48] Uh greetings to you as well.
[1:01:50] >> Uh I like the uh that Hinduism has to be
[1:01:53] reformed by Hinduism. That that that was
[1:01:55] a one wonderful concept.
[1:01:57] >> Yeah.
[1:01:58] >> Swamiji always was like that and he
[1:02:01] he would
[1:02:03] of That's why also he would say the
[1:02:05] Christian is not to become a Hindu and
[1:02:07] the Hindu not to become a Christian, but
[1:02:08] by learning from each other, both will
[1:02:10] become better. The Hindu will become a
[1:02:12] better Hindu and the Christian a better
[1:02:13] Christian.
[1:02:14] Of course, that he also allows for a few
[1:02:16] of us to
[1:02:17] >> Yes.
[1:02:17] >> come on over and become Hindu.
[1:02:19] >> [laughter]
[1:02:21] >> Thank God.
[1:02:24] Okay.
[1:02:25] Um I will ask us to just sit quietly for
[1:02:28] a couple of minutes, a minute maybe just
[1:02:30] a minute or so, just to sit in silence
[1:02:32] together and reflect on the beautiful
[1:02:34] teachings we've received.
[1:04:34] >> To him
[1:04:35] we bow down who was ever
[1:04:38] merged in the supreme truth but by the
[1:04:42] command of Sri Ramakrishna came here to
[1:04:45] establish Dharma, to spread the
[1:04:47] teachings.
[1:05:07] Thanks so much for joining me and uh
[1:05:09] giving me the opportunity to
[1:05:11] dive into this with all of you.
[1:05:14] Beautiful and inspiring.