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[0:00] really appreciate you all being here.
[0:02] Um, my name is Jenna.
[0:05] >> I'm Avery.
[0:07] >> And, um, Avery and I have been
[0:09] collaborating together for the last
[0:11] seven years. Um, and we're both
[0:13] co-directors of the medicine gathering
[0:15] in the UK, which is now in its sixth
[0:17] year. Um, and it's around 10,000 people
[0:21] and we're happening in August. But both
[0:24] of us have had different paths that have
[0:27] woven us to this point. and it's
[0:29] actually the first time that we've done
[0:31] a talk together, which is really
[0:32] exciting because we've been working
[0:34] together for a long time. And um today
[0:37] we really wanted to share with people
[0:40] some thoughts around
[0:42] where we are in terms of the more sort
[0:46] of transformational progressive sort of
[0:48] subculture of the festival space and
[0:52] also why that matters, why we gather and
[0:54] also where we can go from here because
[0:58] it really feels like we're at a big
[0:59] threshold not only within this culture
[1:02] but also in the world in general. So,
[1:04] that's a little brief overview of what
[1:06] we'll talk about. Um, and we're going to
[1:10] start with just sharing some background
[1:13] of who we are, how we got to where we
[1:16] are right now. And, um, do you have
[1:19] anything else to say before we start?
[1:20] No. Should I stop?
[1:24] Okay. So, I started off in quite an
[1:27] academic um, background. I really wanted
[1:31] to be a diplomat or um go into
[1:34] international relations and work in
[1:36] development. And I really quickly
[1:38] realized that within that um industry
[1:41] and it kind of is an industry in lots of
[1:44] ways that there was a lot of bureaucracy
[1:46] and there was a lot of hierarchy and I
[1:49] felt like the top down approach to
[1:50] changing things in the world was really
[1:52] limited. And when I was 25, in the
[1:56] middle of studying for my master's
[1:57] degree in international relations, I
[2:00] went to a festival in the UK called
[2:01] Secret Garden Party. And after that, I
[2:05] sort of ran away a little bit with the
[2:06] circus. And um what I came to realize is
[2:10] that the people who were experiencing
[2:13] that space were really changing who they
[2:16] were and tapping into a purpose that
[2:19] maybe they didn't know before because of
[2:21] the very specific magic and alchemy
[2:24] that's present in those spaces. And I
[2:26] began to think, well, maybe it's not
[2:28] about me working in free internships in
[2:31] London or I almost went to actually the
[2:34] Democratic Republic of Congo at one
[2:36] point. Um, and maybe it's not just about
[2:38] hedonism and taking a bunch of drugs.
[2:41] Maybe there's a lot more to this
[2:43] gathering. And so over the years, I
[2:47] started to really focus in on um my
[2:51] purpose within the relationship of these
[2:53] amazing transformational spaces and to
[2:56] start feeling into really reviving the
[2:59] ancient ways through gathering. And that
[3:02] means um bringing
[3:05] indigenous cultures from around the
[3:07] world together. It means learning from
[3:09] ancient ways and and bringing them into
[3:11] a modern context and also coming
[3:14] together um as we are.
[3:18] And the more that I got involved in
[3:20] that, the more the doors started opening
[3:22] and the more that other people started
[3:24] coming into the field. And then the way
[3:26] I got involved in medicine in the first
[3:28] place about eight years ago was there
[3:30] was a small group of us that were sort
[3:32] of asked to be co-founders and um it
[3:35] felt like sort of Avengers Assemble a
[3:37] little bit [laughter]
[3:39] and um and I was really um blessed to
[3:41] have been doing a lot of work. We had a
[3:43] project called Reigniting the Ancient
[3:45] Ways and we brought um some elders from
[3:48] different wisdom traditions to Boom
[3:50] Festival and Glastonbury festival. Um
[3:53] and I got asked to be involved in
[3:55] medicine and I also been working for the
[3:58] last 10 years in California at Lightning
[4:01] in a Bottle Festival Symbiosis and
[4:03] bringing in this culture there as well.
[4:06] So there's a little bit about me and and
[4:08] how I got here. Um, and yeah, maybe you
[4:12] want to share a little bit.
[4:16] >> It was always gatherings for me from
[4:19] from like 15 years old. We were running
[4:21] parties in Gernzi where I grew up and
[4:23] then it started as a birthday party and
[4:25] evolved into this beautiful debfortous
[4:27] gathering on the cliffs in Gernzi and I
[4:30] knew I wanted to be in these spaces all
[4:32] the time. I was like 16 years old and I
[4:35] felt this unification of
[4:38] dance, the trance of dance with my
[4:40] friends and I felt connected to
[4:43] something that I couldn't really
[4:44] articulate at 16. So I went on to
[4:46] actually study entertainment management
[4:48] and festival production at university.
[4:50] Um and then went on my own journey of
[4:53] being sectioned spiritual awakening um
[4:57] however you want to frame it. and um
[5:00] yeah found found found kind of the
[5:01] medicine path and Jenna and I kind of
[5:03] really met through that pilgrimage with
[5:04] the wisdom carriers across the UK. Um
[5:08] having seven or eight different
[5:10] traditions all represented speaking
[5:11] different languages constellating
[5:14] something much greater than any of us
[5:15] could really articulate was was so
[5:17] powerful. And it was that trip that
[5:20] really anchored me particularly into
[5:23] ancient ways of being and wisdom
[5:25] traditions and what we can learn from
[5:27] and through them. And so the
[5:29] constellation of medicine festival
[5:31] birthing was fascinating and because
[5:34] there was eight of us at the time and
[5:37] the different
[5:39] perspectives, breadth of experience,
[5:42] backgrounds that kind of came together
[5:45] was so rich and I think it's what's
[5:47] allowed it to flourish into what it is
[5:48] today. Um, and
[5:53] medicine has always been about the why
[5:56] before the what and the how.
[5:59] The why at the center of medicine was
[6:01] around understanding how we can be
[6:03] medicine for the planet. How we can be
[6:05] medicine for ourselves, how we can
[6:07] recontextualize what medicine means in
[6:09] the contemporary world, how we can
[6:12] bridge cultures, how we can return back
[6:15] to our old ways of being somewhat. And
[6:18] so at the heart of it really we have the
[6:20] the wisdom carriers and the wisdom
[6:21] traditions and the elders that come and
[6:24] bring their philosophy, their ceremony,
[6:27] their music, the soft technologies that
[6:29] have guided them for for generations
[6:32] fundamentally rooted in their their
[6:34] connection to the earth. Them not seeing
[6:36] themselves as separate from the planet,
[6:39] extracting, mechanizing
[6:41] um as as we do in western and modern
[6:44] society.
[6:46] And we have all found our own way of
[6:49] healing from and through that. And so
[6:51] medicine was always birthed to be a a
[6:54] bridge really an access point to
[6:58] heal some of the wounds. It's really
[7:00] interesting actually when I look at
[7:01] medicine because
[7:03] Britain is responsible for for
[7:05] colonizing so much of the world for
[7:07] causing so much destruction and pain and
[7:09] suffering. Josh that owns the land
[7:12] actually um
[7:14] comes from a lineage that created all
[7:16] the maps that revolutionized the British
[7:18] Empire that were fundamentally
[7:20] responsible for for Britain exploring
[7:22] the world and and colonizing a lot of
[7:24] the world. So there's this really kind
[7:26] of deep um
[7:29] connection to to our past and there's
[7:32] something that's being healed through
[7:33] generations in some way. It feels like
[7:35] rather than us going out to their lands,
[7:37] all these wisdom cars are coming to the
[7:39] UK, you know, stepping beyond all of
[7:43] that trauma, that ancestral grief to
[7:46] come and share um with the intent of
[7:49] healing, growing and connecting.
[7:52] [snorts] And so, yeah, medicine is a a
[7:54] beautiful bridge. And the what and the
[7:58] how manifests as a festival, but we
[8:00] always hate calling ourselves a
[8:01] festival. We use the
[8:06] operational format, systems, processes,
[8:08] sound systems, team structure that we
[8:11] know so well through working in the
[8:12] festival industry all our life. But to
[8:15] facilitate what we see as a collective
[8:17] prayer, a a ceremony,
[8:21] a question actually, kind of a deep
[8:23] inquiry of how we can be medicine for
[8:26] ourselves and for the planet. And it
[8:28] feels so beautifully meaningful
[8:30] actually. and to do it with um real
[8:34] clarity and conviction around our north
[8:35] star,
[8:37] not being to profit,
[8:41] not being anything beyond service in a
[8:43] way. Um we're completely nonprofit. Um
[8:47] we give all of the funds that we do
[8:49] raise, all the profits back out to
[8:51] indigenous communities to preserve and
[8:53] protect their cultures and their land.
[8:56] um whether that's like cultural centers
[8:58] in in the Amazon, sea banks, um we
[9:01] support some schools in Kenya, a variety
[9:03] of different things. Um and it feels
[9:06] really good that at the heart of the
[9:07] gathering is this generative abundant
[9:10] sense of service and we don't make much
[9:13] money. Festivals don't make much money,
[9:15] [snorts] but we're on the way. And like
[9:17] we feel it as a catalyst and it feels
[9:21] clear and and centered in its intent.
[9:25] And I think that's why we love it so
[9:27] much. I think that's why it feels so
[9:28] deeply nourishing and reciprocal to be
[9:31] in a relationship with these cultures
[9:32] but but the land too and to kind of
[9:35] unlearn a lot of the um
[9:39] detrimental ways of being the philosophy
[9:42] that we hold in the west. Um, so it's
[9:45] been a beautiful journey and we're still
[9:46] on it and we're learning and we're
[9:47] growing and we keep asking the
[9:49] questions. Um,
[9:51] >> yeah.
[9:52] >> Yeah. I'd also like to add one other
[9:53] thing which has been really profound for
[9:55] me on the journey. Um, which is around
[10:00] remembering the identity of of the
[10:03] British Isles or what we call the wires
[10:06] isles which is Wales Island, Scotland,
[10:07] England. Certainly when I was in my 20s
[10:10] and 30s and a lot of people who I grew
[10:14] up with within England there was a
[10:17] tendency to want to seek meaning and
[10:20] identity through other traditions. So a
[10:23] lot of people were for example like in
[10:25] the 60s and 70s people were going to
[10:27] India you know to go and be with the
[10:29] gurus and and learn there and then the
[10:31] the energy sort of shifted over to
[10:33] central South America and obviously now
[10:35] you have a kind of an industry also
[10:38] around Iaska which in itself is
[10:40] beautiful medicine but the traditions of
[10:44] a lot of other um tribes and cultures
[10:46] are much better preserved than ours in
[10:49] lots of ways. So there's the song,
[10:52] there's the the dress, there's the
[10:54] community, there's the village at the
[10:55] heart of it. And in the British Isles or
[10:58] the Wise Isles, we've we've really um
[11:01] forgotten so much. The Romans came in
[11:03] about 2,000 years ago. Before the
[11:06] Romans, there was beautiful protoeltic
[11:09] cultures in our country. You know, a lot
[11:11] of people um refer to the druidic
[11:13] culture and I don't know if people have
[11:14] been to places like Stonehenge or Avery,
[11:17] but scattered across the UK, there's
[11:20] some incredible sacred sites um which
[11:23] people have gathered at for literally
[11:26] thousands of years. And when the Romans
[11:29] came in, one of the things we want to
[11:31] talk about was the was the importance of
[11:33] the circle. And when you look at the
[11:36] they're literally stone circles that
[11:38] that often when people were gathering
[11:40] there it was always you know in round
[11:42] houses in circles. And when you when I
[11:44] was thinking about this the other day
[11:45] and I was thinking when the Romans came
[11:46] in they came and built straight roads
[11:48] and they came and they they pioneered
[11:50] the strategy of you know when they were
[11:52] in battle they would be in formation in
[11:54] straight lines. And for me that really
[11:57] brought in this kind of when you look at
[12:00] history that was one of the ways that
[12:02] that the feminine was very much um
[12:05] colonized in a way and and it's as
[12:08] simple as a straight line in a circle
[12:10] literally. And it and um I think one of
[12:13] the things we're doing with medicine is
[12:15] is we're we're remembering the ancient
[12:17] ways of our lands because we've we've
[12:19] really forgotten. And that's not just
[12:21] for people with um heritage and DNA and
[12:25] blood from those lands. Because the more
[12:27] that we revive the ancient traditions of
[12:29] all our lands and all of our ancestry
[12:31] and all of our traditions as
[12:32] individuals, every single person here
[12:34] has their own ancestry. The more that we
[12:36] can learn from each other and preserve
[12:38] what's there. We have so many broken
[12:40] fragments across the wise aisles and
[12:42] we're piecing it together and we're
[12:44] doing so by bringing in um a number of
[12:47] you know people like storytellers,
[12:48] musicians because they hold the
[12:50] fragments and we work with these be this
[12:52] beautiful couple called Carolyn and
[12:53] Nigel um and they are reviving
[12:56] protocultic language and song and by and
[12:59] and she calls it the bone language and
[13:01] the reason that she calls it the bone
[13:02] language is because when you feel it you
[13:04] feel it in your bones because it's
[13:05] ancestral and they're also reviving the
[13:08] ways of you know, ancient burial
[13:09] culture, um, honoring the the the beings
[13:13] of the land and, you know, we used to
[13:15] have so many species on our lands like
[13:17] bears and wolves, and they were all
[13:19] killed. And but they're they're
[13:22] fundamental to our own cosmology and
[13:24] mythology of the past. And that's been a
[13:27] surprising journey for me with medicine
[13:29] because I personally had never connected
[13:31] in in that way with my ancestry. And now
[13:34] we get to collectively be proud of where
[13:36] we come from because as Zach was
[13:38] alluding to, colonization is so much
[13:41] part of our history. And there's so much
[13:43] shame and there's so much grief and
[13:44] there's so much blood under our lens.
[13:46] There's so much and there's you know
[13:48] when we come to medicine one of the
[13:50] things that we do which is I think
[13:51] really important is that we create space
[13:53] for grief and part of that grief comes
[13:55] from the fact that we have such a deep
[13:57] colonial history and everybody has been
[14:00] affected by colonization whether that's
[14:02] being the oppressor or the oppressed and
[14:05] decolonization is so much part of what
[14:07] we're doing with medicine and for me
[14:10] that's also really fundamental like in
[14:12] the body like we we forget that the way
[14:15] that we've been conditioned in modern
[14:17] life, you know, even like schools,
[14:19] hospitals, um I don't know if anyone
[14:21] knows a theorist called Fukul, but he
[14:23] calls it biopolitics.
[14:25] And it's essentially that we don't
[14:26] realize that we're being controlled by a
[14:28] bigger system, but we've lost touch with
[14:30] nature and we've lost touch with the
[14:32] cycles. Like as women, we have 28 day
[14:34] cycles and that maps onto the moon and
[14:36] we used to have a 13-month calendar and
[14:39] then the Romans came in and they brought
[14:40] in a taxation system which then switched
[14:42] to 12 months. And it's all these things
[14:44] that we don't realize how we've been
[14:46] disconnected from the moon and the sun
[14:48] and the earth and the water, you know,
[14:51] the water and the and and I think with
[14:53] medicine, we we're bringing in the we're
[14:57] bringing in people who understand how we
[14:59] used to do what we do. We're we're
[15:01] bringing in people that understand the
[15:02] power of ritual. And these people come
[15:05] from and ceremony and gathering. And
[15:07] these people literally come from all
[15:08] over the world. And like Avery's saying,
[15:11] it's a bridge and we have all these
[15:13] different people from whether they're
[15:15] visual artists, you know, sound artists
[15:18] or ceremonialists, but they're all
[15:20] coming together, all talking to each
[15:21] other. And so it's for me, we're at a
[15:24] point where the ancient and the future
[15:25] is is is at a at a nexus point like
[15:28] never before. We previously if you
[15:31] wanted to read an old text like a say a
[15:34] Buddhist text or a Sufi text you might
[15:36] have to travel to you know Iran or you
[15:39] know Nepal and go to a specific library
[15:42] and find it and and you know the
[15:44] scholars that had time to do that could
[15:46] and now you can literally go online and
[15:48] be like type the type the name and then
[15:52] you've got all of this information at
[15:53] your fingertips. But having that
[15:55] information and actually practicing the
[15:57] information and being together with that
[15:59] information and learning and integrating
[16:01] it and realizing that that's our natural
[16:02] way of being you we have an opportunity
[16:05] to do that now because of one
[16:06] technology. So I feel like we're at this
[16:09] beautiful threshold where we can where
[16:12] we can put all that back into focus and
[16:15] we can exist as as modern beings by
[16:17] using ancient traditions. And that's one
[16:20] of the reasons medicine [music] is so
[16:21] cool.
[16:23] Um, and so anyway, with with that in
[16:26] mind, um, I wanted to talk a little bit
[16:29] about the gathering and because, you
[16:31] know, we we feel like it's really
[16:32] important to talk about why we gather.
[16:35] It's not just coming together to see
[16:37] your friends or dance or there's
[16:39] actually for me I think there's
[16:41] something that quite significantly
[16:43] happens in the field when we gather. And
[16:46] um, I don't know if anybody's heard of
[16:48] um, the difference between like Chyros
[16:50] and Kronos time. Does anyone know about
[16:52] that? Yeah, these guys do. Um, so again,
[16:56] like pertaining to the the ancient Greek
[16:58] word um
[17:02] Oh, good. Hi. So, chyros um or Kronos
[17:07] first of all um responds to the fact
[17:09] that okay, our talk is at 2:45 and it's
[17:12] here and it's on Sunday and everyone can
[17:15] look on their clock and know the
[17:17] calendar date and and we're here.
[17:20] So Kronos is kind of the calendar
[17:22] everything kind of structured time
[17:24] whereas Chyros is the time which is the
[17:27] time out of time where we are um
[17:31] essentially you know those times where
[17:33] you suddenly 3 hours goes by and you
[17:36] have no idea where it went. you're in
[17:38] movement, you're in dance and like Zach
[17:40] was talking about the trance dance.
[17:42] Festivals create context where we're not
[17:44] looking at our watches and and and we're
[17:46] in free flow. And um you know, extreme
[17:49] sports are another amazing example of
[17:51] this. It's it's actually our natural
[17:53] state also of being before we were
[17:56] before the system was imposed. And
[17:58] what's really cool about these spaces is
[18:00] that they lend themselves to activism
[18:02] and culture change because the normal
[18:04] rules of the everyday, you know, and the
[18:07] normal considerations of every day are
[18:09] left outside. So we create these
[18:11] containers at these spaces and we step
[18:13] through thresholds, we buy wristbands,
[18:16] we we make an intention to come in and
[18:18] it's a completely different space where
[18:21] so much more can emerge. And [music] for
[18:24] me, festivals and gatherings are um
[18:26] they're essentially living laboratories
[18:28] where, you know, so and so like people
[18:31] can come, they can um sell their jewelry
[18:33] and their art, they can express
[18:35] themselves, people can experiment,
[18:37] people can, you know, they're beautiful
[18:40] spaces where we're not confined in the
[18:42] same way as we are in cities or normal
[18:44] life. So we have this ability to shift
[18:47] things in in the subculture. And this
[18:50] has been the case for literally
[18:52] thousands of years.
[18:54] Gathering has been a thing for human
[18:57] beings since we even before we were a
[19:00] sedentary when we were nomadic. People
[19:02] would come and gather in the same place
[19:04] yearly. So we've got the cardinal points
[19:06] of the year like the solstesses and the
[19:08] equinoxes.
[19:09] And festivals served a very specific
[19:12] cultural purpose where people would come
[19:15] together and they also served to [music]
[19:17] for people to experience again grief and
[19:21] even if individually you weren't going
[19:23] through a process if you came together
[19:25] you know it's like if one person in the
[19:27] village is is sick everybody in the
[19:29] whole village is sick and it was this
[19:31] idea that we operate within the whole
[19:33] system
[19:35] and that's why festivals are so magic
[19:37] and so and why we have so much potential
[19:40] to to change things through festivals.
[19:42] Um and you know we have various um like
[19:46] at medicine we have seven sacred fires
[19:48] and we we use the ancient ways to tap
[19:53] people back in with their ancestry
[19:55] there. And so there's a lot of powerful
[19:57] technologies that are available at
[19:59] festivals. Um do you want to talk a
[20:01] little bit about the community and space
[20:04] in the festival like that?
[20:08] As Jenna was saying, we um we've always
[20:11] gathered. We've always found meaning in
[20:13] in community.
[20:15] The ethmology comm means together, unity
[20:19] as one. to come together as one in some
[20:22] way to to form a community whether it's
[20:24] transient and for a weekend with
[20:26] thousands of people we don't know to
[20:29] arrive somewhere with some sense of
[20:31] shared purpose and meaning
[20:33] is a beautiful and rich opportunity to
[20:36] to move beyond the self the story of
[20:40] self the the kind of narcissism and the
[20:42] ego that we all have to live in in this
[20:44] world in order to operate and to
[20:46] progress and to move forward and in
[20:49] spaces of gathering, we can feel
[20:52] ourselves for a moment as kind of like
[20:53] one organism. I'm sure we've all had
[20:56] that at festivals and just like on the
[20:57] dance floor with like so many friends
[20:59] and people we've connected with over the
[21:00] weekend feeling a deep sense of kind of
[21:03] belonging and safety um as we gather and
[21:07] as Jenna was saying we've we've done
[21:08] this for so long holy in India like
[21:11] Matsuri in Japan Tim Cat in Ethiopia the
[21:14] Dynesian rights in Greece these
[21:16] beautiful rights of passage that's
[21:18] always been held beyond us the the the
[21:21] kuma in in India 400 million people
[21:24] gather apparently over 3 weeks. I've not
[21:26] been, but you know, it's it's wild. Um,
[21:30] and every person is going there to to
[21:33] feel something that they cannot get in
[21:34] their individual lives. The monotony of
[21:37] the day-to-day life, as Jenna was
[21:39] saying, Kronos time, this chronological
[21:41] sequential linear way of being that we
[21:44] live our lives dayto-day where time is
[21:46] time and we have a plan and [snorts] we
[21:48] we understand and know what is coming
[21:51] next. And at a festival, in this chairos
[21:53] time, in this qualitative magical time
[21:56] beyond time. Anything feels possible.
[22:00] Anything can happen. I I have stood on a
[22:02] dance floor and felt like I've healed
[22:04] something ancestral, something way
[22:06] beyond myself. I felt like I've tapped
[22:08] into something much greater in in this
[22:10] state of trance on a dance floor. Moving
[22:14] to a beat or a rhythm with with others.
[22:17] And whether it's a gathering that's
[22:19] focused and rooted in tradition or
[22:21] religion or a shared prayer or whether
[22:24] it's a a secular place of worship beyond
[22:27] religion. Medicine is very much secular
[22:28] in all the ways. We welcome different
[22:30] traditions but we are gathering with a
[22:35] shared inquiry, a shared intent of
[22:37] prayer [snorts] um ceremony
[22:40] to turn our attention into a form of
[22:43] intention. And um there's such a
[22:46] richness in that. There's such a
[22:49] richness in
[22:51] being together.
[22:55] And the sense and state of belonging
[22:59] allows us to remove so much of the armor
[23:01] that we wear in our day-to-day lives, so
[23:04] much of what we have to wear to protect
[23:05] ourselves in a world that is rooted in
[23:08] scarcity and separation.
[23:10] And the question really is like how can
[23:12] we move into collaboration and cohesion?
[23:14] How can we move into a space of kind of
[23:16] shared abundance?
[23:19] Moving beyond scarring away our own
[23:21] acorns in uh pursuit of self de
[23:26] self-growth, self safety, seeing
[23:29] ourselves as individuals and see
[23:31] ourselves as nodes in a much wider web
[23:34] of existence. to see ourselves as like a
[23:37] pi tiny little jigsaw piece amongst
[23:40] eight other billion jigsaw pieces. Um,
[23:42] and I really feel at festivals or
[23:44] gatherings, we can come together in some
[23:46] way. Um, and and slot into each other
[23:48] and see ourselves as as a collective.
[23:52] At Boom, I I left Boom literally just
[23:55] chanting and writing in my journal, we
[23:56] are one. We are one. Like hundred times
[23:58] over. It's actually the mantra of Boom
[24:00] Festival. But by the last day, a lot of
[24:03] acid DMT and other
[24:05] >> [laughter]
[24:05] >> other molecular messengers and chemical
[24:07] keys. Um, I I was like so living that. I
[24:12] was like so one with everyone on that
[24:14] dance floor. And it gave me such a sense
[24:17] of purpose,
[24:20] such a sense of hope,
[24:23] of safety in my being, like beyond
[24:25] myself,
[24:27] like on like a deep soul level. and and
[24:29] the richness of that and the ability to
[24:32] carry some of that magic out into our
[24:33] communities, into our homes, to to to
[24:37] emanate some of that out into the people
[24:38] that are feeling isolated and alone in
[24:40] the world is a gift. And loneliness is
[24:44] like the silent epidemic of our times.
[24:46] Some mad statistic that like every 40
[24:48] seconds someone somewhere in the world
[24:51] kills himself in some way, shape, or
[24:53] form. Every 40 seconds. That's more than
[24:56] like war and natural disasters combined.
[25:00] And we
[25:03] are in the most technologically
[25:05] connected era of human history through
[25:07] the internet, through AI, through
[25:11] phones and technology. And yet we are
[25:13] the most disconnected. Suicide is the
[25:15] highest it's ever been. You know, it's
[25:18] absurd and obscene. I think something
[25:20] like 30% of deaths for men below 40 is
[25:23] suicide or something wild. And it's a
[25:25] it's a a wild and interesting time. And
[25:28] I think we're further perpetuating this
[25:31] separation
[25:33] in society.
[25:35] And I believe fully and wholly that
[25:38] festivals can be great catalysts for
[25:40] change. They're moments that we come
[25:42] back to ourselves and we feel that we
[25:45] are not alone.
[25:47] >> I think that they're blueprints for
[25:48] belonging in some way.
[25:50] >> A sense of belonging to a shared group
[25:52] of people. whatever that shared identity
[25:55] is. And often it's like we like the same
[25:57] music,
[25:58] you know, and and in a way that's like a
[26:00] secular place of worship. Like in the
[26:02] old lampshade, squiggly jellyfish sandy
[26:05] stage, I don't know what it's called,
[26:06] but that's what I call it. It's like a
[26:08] moment where we're like all around the
[26:09] DJ and it's almost like worship.
[26:12] >> Yeah.
[26:12] >> Like we are moving to the same beat and
[26:15] we are in a state of prayer. We are
[26:17] deeply in our sematic sensory self. We
[26:21] are we are moving together as one.
[26:23] to something shared and there is so much
[26:27] healing from and through that. So much
[26:29] healing that comes from and through the
[26:30] body. Jenna knows so much about this.
[26:32] She's running a new space at the
[26:33] festival this year called the House of
[26:34] Soma all about the sematic intelligence
[26:36] and I'm sure she'll talk about that and
[26:38] how we heal from and through it. But I I
[26:43] feel super inspired
[26:47] at festivals because they bring me back
[26:49] into this this idea of interbeing.
[26:52] Kitnahhan beautiful philosopher coined
[26:54] this term many years ago. Into being
[26:58] this idea that we are not separate from
[27:00] each other but we are valued expression
[27:02] of the same one and into being really is
[27:04] rooted in this idea that we are nature
[27:07] and in the reductionist mechanistic
[27:10] capitalist society that we find
[27:12] ourselves in um we we see nature as a
[27:15] resource.
[27:17] We turn the planet into products. We
[27:19] turn people into services
[27:22] and we are [snorts]
[27:25] carving out the insides of a dying world
[27:29] in order for more profit and more
[27:31] growth. Like and it blows my mind. And
[27:35] into being is this sense that actually
[27:36] we are nature and in do that we're
[27:38] destroying ourselves. And we see it now
[27:39] with heat, with you know the melting ice
[27:42] caps, with forest fires, with
[27:44] temperatures. It's a dying world and
[27:46] it's super sad.
[27:48] And so I hold the question, how can we
[27:51] come back into a
[27:56] reciprocal, loving, nurturing way of
[28:00] being with the earth and I come to
[28:02] festivals and I feel that like even if
[28:05] I'm on the dance floor, I just come back
[28:07] to that sense of
[28:09] oneness. And there's a real richness in
[28:12] it.
[28:13] um Gustth a beautiful beautiful he who's
[28:15] a like leader of like national defense
[28:18] in the US or something and it's this
[28:19] beautiful quote that I love so much he
[28:21] says um I used to think the top
[28:24] environmental problems were biodiversity
[28:26] loss ecosystem collapse um and the
[28:29] extinction of of our species and and
[28:34] animals and I've come to realize that
[28:36] the the the problem that we really face
[28:38] in society is greed apathy and
[28:41] selfishness
[28:43] And he thought that 30 years of good
[28:45] science could resolve this, could
[28:46] resolve all the issues we're facing on
[28:48] earth, the depletion of our resources.
[28:50] But really what we need is a spiritual
[28:51] and cultural transformation.
[28:54] And that is really how we how we shift
[28:56] society. And I think these places are
[28:59] places that you come and you feel a
[29:01] sense of that. Even if it's a a moment
[29:04] of like a sator numinous experience um
[29:07] where you feel connected to something
[29:08] greater, you carry that in your system
[29:11] and you take that home. And I think the
[29:13] cultural transformation, the ripples
[29:14] that we create in these spaces can
[29:17] create waves in our communities.
[29:20] Um yeah and so I I feel so devoted and
[29:25] committed to
[29:27] these spaces as opportunities to shift
[29:30] our way of being. You know, I like to
[29:32] think like the ecological, political,
[29:35] social, environmental crisis that we
[29:37] face are fundamentally the same crisis
[29:40] is my belief at least. And it's a crisis
[29:43] of perception. And the perception is
[29:45] that we are separate
[29:47] from each other and from the earth. And
[29:51] May festivals bring us back into a sense
[29:54] of connection, belonging, and
[29:58] oneness.
[30:00] >> [laughter]
[30:04] >> just to close this because it's it's a
[30:07] beautiful um concept which I it's really
[30:11] helped me understand how things shift
[30:13] outside of the spaces in which they're
[30:15] shifting. Uh there's a amazing um
[30:18] British academic scientist um Rubbert
[30:22] Sheldrake and he has created this um he
[30:26] created this term called the the morphic
[30:28] resonance and he believes that the all
[30:32] species essentially share a collective
[30:34] memory and that DNA carries information
[30:39] from one generation to another but so
[30:41] does the act there's a there's a field
[30:44] that connects the species as Well, so
[30:47] the [music] theory is that if if one
[30:49] thing is happening to a species and it's
[30:51] evolving in one place, then without
[30:54] having to be in the same physical
[30:56] location as another species, that that
[30:58] species can also be affected and to
[31:00] change. And that's what morphic
[31:02] resonance is. And I believe when we are
[31:05] gathering as humans here in these
[31:08] spaces, we're remembering something
[31:10] within the field of our ancestry and and
[31:12] the ways of being that we've always held
[31:15] together. Um, and that that also impacts
[31:18] other people in other places. Like I
[31:20] don't know if you've heard of the
[31:20] concept of collective consciousness as
[31:22] well. That was also related to the
[31:24] hundth monkey theory that you know
[31:26] monkeys on separate islands ch on one
[31:29] island they changed the behavior and
[31:31] they adapted and they evolved and then
[31:33] with no connection monkeys on another
[31:34] island it was something to do with sweet
[31:36] potatoes eating sweet potatoes and then
[31:38] they started doing it on another island
[31:40] and and humans as Avery [snorts] saying
[31:43] are 100% part of nature so the same
[31:46] theory applies and that's another reason
[31:48] I feel so strongly that we need to
[31:51] gather because if we don't gather and we
[31:52] don't come together, [snorts] the the
[31:55] level at which we can shift things in
[31:57] the field and um change where we're
[32:00] going as humanity isn't as as high. So,
[32:05] just wanted to finish this section with
[32:07] that because I I love that concept and
[32:09] [music] I think it's really powerful.
[32:11] So
[32:13] moving on, I one thing that we [music]
[32:16] thought because obviously I represent in
[32:19] some ways the the feminine way of being
[32:21] and you represent the masculine and of
[32:23] course I've got masculine and you've got
[32:25] feminine as well, but we wanted to talk
[32:27] a little bit about how our journey has
[32:30] um put into focus this idea of leading
[32:34] from the whole. So [music]
[32:37] I think we're all aware that we're we're
[32:39] coming out of a very patriarchal
[32:42] dominant [snorts]
[32:42] [clears throat] way of being. So the
[32:44] idea for example of hierarchy
[32:47] um there's a lot of um people talk a lot
[32:49] about the wounded masculine and the way
[32:52] that women have been um oppressed as
[32:54] well. And
[32:57] what I'm coming to realize is that in
[32:59] these spaces we have an opportunity to
[33:02] break the mold and understand how we can
[33:06] uh practice and integrate feminine
[33:08] leadership [music] within the masculine
[33:11] container because both are absolutely
[33:13] fundamental.
[33:15] And the divine union between the
[33:17] masculine and the feminine in my mind is
[33:19] where if we all lead from that place
[33:22] that leadership will then be kinder
[33:26] come from a place of care. It will be
[33:29] more intuitive. It will be more still.
[33:31] Like one of the things that we do with
[33:32] medicine is that we're every two years
[33:34] now.
[33:36] We take the time to pause, reflect,
[33:38] rejuvenate, consider [music] what we're
[33:40] doing, tune into our prayer. And for me
[33:42] that's a very feminine way of being. But
[33:44] then in the year that we're on, it's go
[33:47] time and there's systems and there's
[33:48] procedures and and we need both of those
[33:51] things.
[33:52] And
[33:54] I love I love the concept of these sort
[33:56] [music] of concentric circles and and
[33:58] again this comes back to the circle with
[34:00] medicine. We have a we have a very
[34:01] strong prayer at our heart. We have a
[34:03] very strong intention and that prayer is
[34:08] almost kind of how we connect between
[34:10] the three-dimensional realm and sort of
[34:12] the unseen realms. And the prayer is
[34:14] always evolving because it because the
[34:16] gathering has different needs and and
[34:17] and we have different needs but at its
[34:20] heart it we always check in as a as a as
[34:23] a group. And then around the prayer we
[34:25] have our the co-founders which you could
[34:27] sort of see as a council like a council
[34:29] of guardians of this precious seed that
[34:32] we planted which is now growing into
[34:34] this beautiful flower and and growing
[34:36] and growing and growing. And so we all
[34:38] hold that. And then around us we have
[34:40] the people the sort of community and the
[34:42] people that are supporting us birthing
[34:44] that prayer. And around that is the sort
[34:46] of you know the greater world at large.
[34:49] And this is not a top- down system where
[34:51] we're like you do this you do this. It's
[34:54] a new way of being in which the
[34:55] information moves at every point of the
[34:57] circle and then it it it oscillates back
[35:00] and forth and we adjust and and we we
[35:03] tweak the systems continuously because
[35:06] another thing that's really important
[35:07] about what we do is that we very
[35:09] consciously tune into how we communicate
[35:11] with each other.
[35:13] I think another thing about the feminine
[35:14] is the idea that emotions are also
[35:17] welcome in leadership.
[35:19] A lot of corporate [snorts] companies,
[35:21] you know, it's sort of like the idea is
[35:22] that you leave your emotions at the door
[35:25] and you come in and you do your job and
[35:26] then you deal with it. And I think
[35:27] that's one of the reasons that so many
[35:29] people have so many oppressed
[35:31] [clears throat] emotions because [music]
[35:32] actually emotions aren't accepted as
[35:34] being part of the process of how we lead
[35:36] and how we do things. And in medicine,
[35:38] we've evolved systems and we work with
[35:40] various different practitioners and
[35:42] therapists and we've all been through
[35:45] the most insane journey in baptism of
[35:47] fire. When I came in, I had very
[35:49] specific ideas [music] about what I
[35:51] needed to be as a leader. I needed to be
[35:52] in control. I needed to have ownership.
[35:55] Um, I needed to, in a sense, sometimes,
[35:58] you know, remove someone out the way
[36:00] because it was [music] threatening to my
[36:01] power. And now we've we've we've evolved
[36:04] a system where we have um we reflect to
[36:07] each other all the time. We use tools of
[36:09] non-violent communication. Um, you know,
[36:11] things like internal family systems.
[36:13] We're utilizing what's available to us
[36:16] as ways of communicating because that is
[36:18] just as much as part of what we do and
[36:20] how we lead and how we create as the
[36:23] spreadsheets and the systems and the
[36:25] hierarchy and you know and and we we
[36:29] rule also we sorry we [laughter] we also
[36:32] um we also operate through the idea of
[36:34] consent not consensus. So you can't go
[36:37] too far in the other direction in which
[36:39] everybody has to agree. You know, it's
[36:41] we have to we have to move and we have
[36:43] to make decisions. So people have
[36:45] different levels of decision- making
[36:47] power, but it's it's not like, you know,
[36:49] one person is [clears throat] is, you
[36:51] know, the king or the queen or whatever.
[36:53] Like we we we operate so we're um
[36:56] supporting each other. And if people are
[36:58] going through something emotional, we
[36:59] step up and we show up for those people.
[37:01] And that goes for our core group. And it
[37:03] also goes through, you know, all the
[37:05] people that curate for us, manage for
[37:07] us. We have systems where people are
[37:10] supported at every level. But it also
[37:12] means that people show up and people
[37:14] step up because they're supported and
[37:16] they're loved. And it's a culture of
[37:18] care at its heart. And I and I think
[37:19] that's you know the future is how can we
[37:22] how can we weave in this precious care
[37:25] for each other for ourselves and for
[37:28] nature and this deep deep deep respect
[37:31] at the same time as honoring the
[37:33] masculine like we also need to honor the
[37:35] masculine because it's so important that
[37:37] we that we bring that in and we come
[37:39] into wholeness and we lead from this
[37:41] place of wholeness. Um, and yeah, I've
[37:45] I've grown definitely like enormously
[37:47] from from this whole journey. Um,
[37:51] and do you want to talk a little bit
[37:53] about the men's work that you do?
[37:57] >> Yeah,
[37:58] >> sure.
[38:01] >> As Jenna expressed, I think um, just to
[38:04] just to add to something you're saying
[38:05] before I dive into that. Um
[38:08] like with a with something like medicine
[38:10] or with any organization or any
[38:12] structure I think how how it is led is
[38:16] emanates out into every facet of that
[38:19] living organism. A business a
[38:21] corporation is a living breathing
[38:23] organism with with many different nodal
[38:27] points that allow it to express whatever
[38:29] it's doing in the world. Usually that's
[38:32] rooted in like making more money, you
[38:34] know, and and quite a yang masculine
[38:38] linear boundaried approach and because
[38:41] that's what works. That's what
[38:43] fundamentally uh makes money. And as
[38:46] Jenner expressed, trying to see um
[38:49] medicine as a circle and not a triangle
[38:52] um this top down approach is is I
[38:55] believe what's causes so many of the
[38:57] problems we see in the world. and and
[39:00] like medicine being kind of the why at
[39:02] the core and then the what and the how
[39:03] coming after from that why in the same
[39:05] way like the way that we treat each
[39:07] other I guess in in the center in some
[39:09] way um in in a circle um is is felt I
[39:14] think it's felt through the organization
[39:16] and the way that we operate and we are
[39:18] learning and failing forwards with the
[39:20] full force of our being in each and
[39:21] every moment figuring out how to better
[39:24] operate and communicate and listen
[39:26] through feedback and conflict resolution
[39:29] and and check-ins and and making space
[39:32] and all of these seemingly like
[39:34] inefficient ways of being in an
[39:36] organization. Um like I've we've all
[39:38] worked in corporate spaces at some point
[39:40] in our life and there's no time for any
[39:42] of that. Um because it's not seen as
[39:45] it's not quantitative or measurable. Um
[39:49] it's this qualitative relational uh
[39:52] interpersonal way of being that we
[39:56] overlook and at medicine we have made so
[40:00] much space for our own processes our own
[40:02] growth as individuals um and and the way
[40:04] that we relate and the friction points
[40:07] and it's been so rich for our growth um
[40:10] and I won't go into all of that but I'm
[40:12] so grateful for it and um the
[40:15] gathering's kind of evolved from and
[40:17] through that [gasps]
[40:18] and I I I really believe that we're
[40:21] moving into a softer
[40:25] more tender relational way of being. I
[40:28] think we have to I think we're being
[40:29] forced to and like Jenna said it's quite
[40:32] a dual perspective kind of like non-dual
[40:34] shy tantrrisism Kashmir shyism is kind
[40:37] of my my philosophy but um the the yin
[40:41] and the yang the masculine and feminine
[40:42] the brahma and the vishnu however you
[40:43] want to perceive it um feels like
[40:46] there's there's somewhat of a
[40:48] um a meeting in the middle um and we see
[40:52] this through like the amount of feminine
[40:53] leadership in our organization um and
[40:56] and beyond And this is I guess where the
[40:58] kind of men's work conversation comes
[41:00] in. You look six years ago, a group of
[41:03] men decided to hike a mountain and now
[41:04] twice a year we go on a week rights of
[41:07] passage kind of a collective pilgrimage
[41:10] into nature to explore our internal
[41:12] architecture to unpack what it is to be
[41:15] a human. um to look at all the the shame
[41:19] and the and the grief and the fear
[41:20] and the anger that that lives and
[41:22] resides in us and to express and meet
[41:26] that in a healthy way. And in the past
[41:30] seven or so years, there are hundreds if
[41:33] not thousands of men's circles and men's
[41:36] organizations exploring the masculine
[41:38] archetypes. And with men being
[41:40] vulnerable, um I've seen like hundreds
[41:43] of men cry and weep and be seen in their
[41:47] most vulnerable childlike states. Um
[41:50] that have looked at their their trauma,
[41:53] their past, their ancestral line, how
[41:56] they were fathered um in in a in a a war
[42:00] war in a in a a post-war generation um
[42:04] and in in a heavily capitalist society.
[42:08] through the industrial revolution. And
[42:10] it's really interesting now that like
[42:12] there are thousands of men that I've
[42:14] I've witnessed and that I've been a part
[42:16] of
[42:18] supporting or or or witnessing simply in
[42:22] these spaces that have come right back
[42:24] to the tender, gentle, you could call it
[42:28] feminine um aspects of themselves and
[42:31] are carrying that out into the world.
[42:33] And I I I'm really excited by this. I'm
[42:36] I'm like so um instilled with
[42:43] faith actually um that this shift in
[42:48] some way is happening and it probably
[42:50] isn't soon enough. I don't know if
[42:51] anyone here knows Sarah Wilson. She's an
[42:54] amazing kind of philosopher on what she
[42:56] calls the collapse. She's like it's kind
[42:58] of too late for hope. all the
[42:59] thresholds, all the agreements that we
[43:01] made at COP in France, um all of the
[43:07] thresholds
[43:09] um to sustain life on Earth, we've like
[43:12] crossed and now we don't need to just
[43:14] sustainability is not enough. Like it's
[43:16] it's a regenerative culture and way of
[43:18] being in order to to sustain life on
[43:20] Earth. And she's utterly convinced that
[43:22] whether we go extinct or not, the
[43:23] collapse is coming. like the latest
[43:26] stage capitalism is is here and it's now
[43:29] preparing for the collapse. Um
[43:33] uh what's her name? Not Sharon Blackie,
[43:36] Manda Scott, she wrote the Buddaca
[43:38] books, but she speaks about something
[43:40] called the throughutotopia, like the way
[43:42] through latestage capitalism. Spiral
[43:44] dynamics is a really interesting
[43:46] philosophy of like these different tiers
[43:47] of organization. Um and I and I really
[43:50] love this because this is I think a way
[43:53] a way through. Um
[43:56] Buckminister Fuller first of all has a
[43:58] quote where he says um [snorts]
[44:01] we cannot change the world by operating
[44:05] in the existing systems but we must
[44:07] create new ways of being and new systems
[44:08] that drive the old one obsolete. And the
[44:11] reason I like spiral dynamics is because
[44:13] I I think that's almost impossible. Like
[44:15] we want to like just create our own
[44:16] village in our community and we can do
[44:18] that in our own isolated ways but we are
[44:20] not affecting the wider system. Everyone
[44:22] here is still operating in money and
[44:24] everyone here is still going to work and
[44:26] exchanging their time for money and
[44:28] we're still working on gross domestic
[44:30] profit. And spiral dynamics says that we
[44:34] can move beyond
[44:36] uh traditional capitalist ways of being.
[44:38] And so that the red tier is like law and
[44:41] order fundamentally. No, the red tier is
[44:44] the red tier, sorry, is is essentially
[44:46] just being a human and fending for
[44:47] yourself. So, murder, theft, taking what
[44:51] you want and having your resources. And
[44:54] then later on down the line, we evolved
[44:57] past that and we bought in the the blue
[44:59] tier, which is law and legislation and
[45:03] religion, these kind of rules around
[45:05] morality and what's right.
[45:08] And and then the yellow tier came in.
[45:10] And the yellow tier was capitalism
[45:12] fundamentally. It was you're abiding by
[45:15] the rules below, which are the the law
[45:17] and and moral guidelines, but you're now
[45:20] able to leverage society in order to
[45:24] benefit yourself within the within the
[45:26] boundaries of law, but it's still a an
[45:28] individual um
[45:32] egoic way of being. And then above that
[45:35] tier comes the green tier which is like
[45:38] uh charities uh green organizations
[45:41] activist rights like people coming back
[45:43] to the Wii coming back to wanting to be
[45:46] in service to the planet. And in a way
[45:48] that's kind of where we sit in this
[45:50] charitable organization. And then
[45:52] there's this new tier which is the blue
[45:53] tier that's that's
[45:55] >> turquoise
[45:56] >> turquoise that they they believe is
[45:57] coming in. And this turquoise tier is is
[46:01] leveraging capitalist systems,
[46:03] leveraging our ways of being, our
[46:06] structure, our organization
[46:08] um in order to have green philosophy and
[46:13] principles in order to give back to the
[46:15] earth, to come back to we and to extract
[46:18] money from the system, to use power to
[46:21] leverage it for good, to feed and
[46:25] nourish the earth and our communities in
[46:27] reciprocity.
[46:28] And I really believe this like blue tier
[46:30] is on the way through this feminine
[46:32] principle, feminine leadership, um
[46:34] coming back into vulnerability,
[46:36] our ways of relating, the the new old
[46:39] ways, the soft technologies of
[46:41] indigenous communities, our ancient ways
[46:43] of being, coming back to the village in
[46:45] some way. Um and I believe the the blue
[46:48] tier is on the way. And I believe that's
[46:50] part of the throughtopia. It's like
[46:52] beyond the collapse, the turquoise tier.
[46:55] [laughter]
[46:56] titles. Definitely tack
[46:58] >> um and it's exciting and I really think
[47:01] like Bhutan, if anyone knows Bhutan and
[47:03] their their their legal system and and
[47:06] their kind of um governance systems, but
[47:09] they are exquisite as a as as a country.
[47:12] They've separated themselves out from
[47:13] the world. You can't go to Bhutan unless
[47:15] you fly in and you're you're guided by
[47:19] the hosts there. And they take you to
[47:21] hotels. You can only stay in certain
[47:22] places. They take you around various
[47:24] sites, but they don't want the the wider
[47:27] western world or or just the world in
[47:29] general to come in and almost pollute
[47:31] what they've created. So, they're super
[47:33] tentative. And the queen and the king
[47:35] have recently started allowing more
[47:37] people in because they want to become
[47:39] this progressive country. And they ran a
[47:41] beautiful like technology and
[47:42] spirituality summit last year. Um
[47:45] they're doing another great summit in
[47:47] October this year. And they do not work
[47:49] on gross domestic profit like every
[47:51] other country in the planet does. The
[47:54] success of their country is gross
[47:56] domestic happiness.
[47:58] They measure the success of their
[47:59] country on how happy their people are.
[48:02] Equality in in wage, in ways of living,
[48:06] in lifestyle. And the success of their
[48:08] country is based on depression rates and
[48:10] suicide rates and how happy people are.
[48:13] And they do quantitive and qualitative
[48:15] kind of studies on this consistently.
[48:17] consistently looking at how can we make
[48:20] our community happier
[48:22] and and and they have they have
[48:24] religion. They kind of like they're a
[48:25] fusion of like Buddhism and um kind of a
[48:28] more non-dual philosophy I believe. I
[48:30] don't know so much about it but but they
[48:32] it's kind of almost this secular way of
[48:34] being. And I'm like why are we not
[48:36] looking at what Bhutan are doing and
[48:38] being like they've got it figured out.
[48:39] People are happy they're not dying.
[48:41] There's not this absolutely insane level
[48:44] of inequality, this extreme polarization
[48:47] of wealth where in the rest of the world
[48:49] we have our first trillionaire who owns
[48:52] more money than like over like 2 and a
[48:53] half billion of the poorest people on
[48:55] the earth. How is that even like how is
[48:57] that possible? It's absolutely wild. And
[49:00] so this is like where I feel like we're
[49:01] entering the stage of like the oraorus.
[49:03] We're like we're like eating our own
[49:05] endrails as a society and as a world. We
[49:07] are destroying our planet and our
[49:10] species at an insane rate. And we are
[49:13] becoming so unbelievably
[49:16] like painfully
[49:20] far away from any sense of equality. And
[49:23] so how can we learn from Bhutan? How can
[49:25] we step into circle technology seeing
[49:28] ourselves as as part of a whole um and
[49:31] and and and not above anyone? How can we
[49:34] come back into community? Come back into
[49:36] oneness. come back into happiness and
[49:39] joy and connection and belonging and
[49:41] safety and security and cohesion and
[49:44] collaboration um beyond scarcity and
[49:46] separation. And it's a question that
[49:49] we're living each and every day. This
[49:51] idea of like um like anthropocentric
[49:53] ways of being putting ourselves at the
[49:55] top humans um or or egocentric ways of
[49:59] being like ourselves is the most
[50:01] important um part of the world. Josh
[50:03] Shry who's coming to medicine I don't
[50:04] know if anyone knows the Emerald podcast
[50:06] but he was got really famous through
[50:07] doing this podcast um the revolution
[50:09] will not be psychologized like we're
[50:11] obsessed with our own healing our own
[50:13] story our own trauma our own ways of
[50:15] being and we like we've personified and
[50:18] pathologized everything and how can we
[50:20] come back into like collective healing
[50:22] healing our collective story and
[50:24] ancestry how can we see ourselves as
[50:26] part of a wider system and and come back
[50:28] into the eosentric way of being seeing
[50:31] ourselves as part of nature like the the
[50:33] the whole web the the inter being the
[50:35] piece that I shared earlier um that
[50:37] ticknot shared
[50:38] >> the the symbia scene
[50:40] >> the symbia scene there we go
[50:45] >> y um okay so so that's kind of the end
[50:49] of what we really wanted to share but
[50:51] but how we want to finish is is about
[50:55] how the festival has its limitations
[50:59] and where do we go from here
[51:02] And how do we find the village?
[51:05] You know, festivals take place over a
[51:09] very short period of time. They take a
[51:11] huge amount of resources, fuel, energy,
[51:15] carbon dioxide emissions.
[51:18] People, you know, people traveling from
[51:19] all around the world. It's the biggest
[51:22] um contributor, environmental
[51:23] contributor is people literally
[51:24] traveling to festivals. We we we we put
[51:27] them up the temporary villages. we
[51:29] experience something and then it's all
[51:32] taken down again. And this goes from
[51:35] anything like Burning Man, which is, you
[51:37] know, a week long, where [clears throat]
[51:38] also lots of things get set on fire and
[51:40] exploded. Um, and [laughter] which also
[51:44] is great for the environment. Um, and
[51:47] um, you know, how do we how do we make
[51:48] these things more sustainable? How do we
[51:51] make them more regenerative?
[51:53] How do we find more permanent villages?
[51:57] and how do we operate as a whole system
[52:00] within those? And we're really looking
[52:03] at that. We're looking at the fact that,
[52:05] you know, we also come to a land, we we
[52:08] spend a month there building it,
[52:09] experiencing the gathering, and then
[52:11] taking it all down again. And there's
[52:13] something within that that doesn't sit
[52:14] quite right for us because how are we
[52:17] tending to the land? How are we building
[52:19] systems? You know, Boom is such a
[52:21] beautiful inspiration for us because
[52:23] they bought the land and they're able to
[52:25] put in irrigation systems. They're able
[52:28] to even have, you know, things like land
[52:30] art that are there time and time again
[52:33] so they don't have to be rebuilt every
[52:34] time.
[52:35] Um they've also you know in a very
[52:38] ancient way they they have different um
[52:42] kind of sort of ceremonial ritual places
[52:43] across the land which get more and more
[52:47] you know that the sacred element of it
[52:49] is is integrated more and more and more
[52:51] because the gathering can evolve in the
[52:53] way that um people are tending to the
[52:55] land they have a relationship between
[52:56] the three realms which is the human the
[52:58] natural and the divine realms on a year-
[53:00] round basis. Um, so we're really looking
[53:03] at what's the future for us as a
[53:06] organization, as a as a living
[53:08] ecosystem. How can we, you know, do is
[53:12] it is it that we find land and we do
[53:14] something more permanent? Is is the way
[53:16] forward,
[53:18] you know, like life is a festival. My
[53:20] friend has a podcast called Life is a
[53:21] Festival and how can we make, you know,
[53:24] we we go down to the river here and it
[53:25] feels like we thrive in these
[53:27] conditions. Like you you go down there
[53:29] and it's like paradise. Everybody is
[53:31] playful and smiling and connecting and
[53:33] speaking to strangers and that's
[53:35] actually our natural state of being.
[53:37] It's our natural state of being
[53:39] fundamentally like to be on the earth to
[53:41] feel the the ground under our feet to
[53:43] you know to hug trees anything like
[53:45] that. It's not hippie. It's actually
[53:47] just we're human and we're part of this
[53:49] ecosystem and we need to be in it to
[53:51] remember that. We need to we need to we
[53:53] need to remember that we're not separate
[53:55] from it. And so yeah, what's the next
[53:59] step? And we'd love to hear also from
[54:02] anyone that wants to share ideas that
[54:05] you have about where we go from here
[54:07] because it's a it's a big conversation
[54:10] and I'm sure that lots of people here
[54:11] have a lot of experience and
[54:14] you know ideas to share.
[54:20] >> A final piece on that before we open it
[54:22] up to everyone else. Um yeah, is this is
[54:26] this the question and the inquiry which
[54:27] is like beyond the festival and creating
[54:30] these temporary utopias um that we find
[54:33] so much healing in and then we return to
[54:36] the monottomy of our day-to-day lives
[54:38] and we go back to work and within a
[54:40] couple of weeks we've forgotten it all
[54:41] and we're kind of we're just back in it
[54:43] and and this is the like inquiry that
[54:46] we're on now. parents. Part of the
[54:47] reason that we've become bienial and we
[54:48] do it every other year is to hold the
[54:51] question around how do we kind of we
[54:53] continue the prayer beyond the festival.
[54:55] We've always said like medicine is like
[54:56] it's the exclamation mark at the end of
[54:59] the prayer and the prayer continues
[55:01] throughout the year. And at the moment
[55:03] that's just kind of in our own ecosystem
[55:05] in our ideation and and kind of birthing
[55:07] um and unraveling um of of the festival.
[55:11] But how do we now sustain community and
[55:14] connection beyond the festival? And like
[55:17] we we've kind of got a bit of a staged
[55:19] plan at the moment that's emerging and
[55:21] um you know we're exploring circles
[55:23] creating local impact within our
[55:25] community gathering people. They go on
[55:27] this kind of uh we're calling it harvest
[55:29] the medicine. It's kind of six week
[55:31] journey of kind of learning about
[55:32] different ways of being regenerating the
[55:35] land. Um, we're hopefully going to have
[55:37] little micro grants for people to to go
[55:39] out and to clean up rivers, um, to plant
[55:42] trees, to connect their community, to,
[55:46] you know,
[55:48] try and make change in their their local
[55:50] communities, maybe politics or whatever
[55:53] it might be. Maybe it's just circles and
[55:54] gathering and creating spaces for people
[55:56] to belong in their local towns um that
[55:59] they've met through medicine with the
[56:01] philosophies and the principles that we
[56:02] kind of try to to imbue and embody. Um
[56:06] but really beyond that the desire is
[56:09] land. The desire is to come back to the
[56:12] village in some way, shape or form to
[56:15] live in harmony with one another and the
[56:17] land to to make festivals more permanent
[56:20] ways of being in some way, shape or
[56:22] form. I mean, and we can't rave and have
[56:24] 2 hours sleep and party and take LSD
[56:26] like every day, but but we can come back
[56:29] into belonging and gathering and
[56:33] breaking bread together and holding
[56:35] beautiful, deep, meaningful and rich
[56:37] questions with people with shared and
[56:39] aligned values. um and and tend I think
[56:42] is kind of at the root and the heart of
[56:44] it to kind of belong to a place to to
[56:47] deeply listen to the earth beneath our
[56:50] feet in some way shape or form. Um, and
[56:53] I I'm sure everyone here agrees that
[56:55] like all anyone's talking about right
[56:57] now is like finding community, like
[57:00] buying a bit of land with the river and
[57:01] finding some mates and building our own
[57:03] homes and, you know, being in community
[57:05] and raising children away from the
[57:07] nuclear home and, you know, like I I
[57:10] really never would have children in a
[57:11] nuclear context personally. The stress
[57:13] and the pressure um like the stress and
[57:15] the pressure of a festival is huge and
[57:18] the stress and the pressure of a baby is
[57:20] huge. And how can we share that
[57:22] responsibility with others? Um how can a
[57:26] festival not be this unbelievable amount
[57:28] of like emotional and financial pressure
[57:31] and responsibility on a certain set of
[57:34] individuals and how can we we share
[57:36] that? How can each person's individual
[57:38] gift um be be presented to the to the
[57:41] world? Um, Bill Plin speaks of this this
[57:44] um um
[57:48] mythopo poetic identity like finding our
[57:50] unique and individual gift to bring to
[57:53] the world not to save the world but to
[57:56] fully belong to it. And I just really
[57:57] love this like how can I bring my gift
[58:00] to belong into a wider system? And so we
[58:03] would love to buy land. We would love to
[58:05] follow in boom's footsteps. We would
[58:08] love to have people living on a piece of
[58:09] land um bringing their own gifts to it.
[58:13] Um to reimagine
[58:17] existence, reimagine community life, um
[58:20] to return to the village in some way,
[58:22] shape or form. And that's kind of like
[58:24] the longer term prayer um to to allow
[58:28] the festival to live and breathe uh each
[58:31] and every day. And I don't know how
[58:33] we're going to get there. And it's kind
[58:34] of in the longer term vision and
[58:35] trajectory. Um and yeah, I just I really
[58:40] believe that our our our religious
[58:44] uh economic cultural past no longer
[58:48] provides a map to our future. Like I
[58:50] really believe that there is there is a
[58:52] there is a different way of being and
[58:54] maybe this is rooted in in the very old
[58:55] ways and maybe this is why we're so
[58:57] connected to indigenous cultures and
[58:59] philosophies and ways of being because
[59:01] it's coming back to simplicity
[59:04] um and care from from from me to we
[59:09] and that is the life that I I hope to
[59:12] live in the world I want to be a part
[59:14] of. So,
[59:17] this is an inquiry. We have absolutely
[59:20] none of the answers, but we're
[59:21] continually asking the question, and we
[59:23] would love for you guys to ask the
[59:25] question. We would love to hear from you
[59:26] like any reflections, questions,
[59:27] inquiries, ideas, thoughts. Um,
[59:31] yeah. Um,
[59:34] about 20 years ago, I heard of a series
[59:37] of um
[59:38] >> Yeah. So, Tony, I was backpacking in
[59:41] Brazil 20 years ago, more or less, and
[59:43] there was that was ongoing for a while
[59:46] and they would create a festival. It's
[59:48] some in some piece of land about 200
[59:50] people would arrive for two weeks and
[59:53] it's a festival and they were doing
[59:54] ceremonies and music and they would
[59:56] bring there was a good chunk of the
[59:57] people were shamans like the really
[1:00:00] tribe people coming to work and doing
[1:00:02] ceremonies and sweat lodges and prayers
[1:00:04] and and implanting a seed in those two
[1:00:07] weeks and creating all the spaces like a
[1:00:09] kitchen and a bathroom and like they
[1:00:11] would create they would do workshops
[1:00:12] about natural building. can natural
[1:00:14] build this and each part of those things
[1:00:16] would be the seed of a future community.
[1:00:18] When the when the festival finished 20
[1:00:20] people would remain and would be they
[1:00:21] are the seed of a new community and that
[1:00:23] gathering would go to another place and
[1:00:26] they would just keep doing that and they
[1:00:27] they founded many communities in that
[1:00:29] way.
[1:00:29] >> Wow.
[1:00:30] >> Something has been happening in Brazil
[1:00:31] for a while. So that's like an idea that
[1:00:34] maybe it's like you you just bring the
[1:00:37] people you seed you can be more than 200
[1:00:39] people and and you plant that
[1:00:41] >> and then boom it starts.
[1:00:44] >> It's beautiful.
[1:00:45] >> It reminds me of the rainbow gatherings
[1:00:47] as well.
[1:00:47] >> Yeah. You know it's it's similar but
[1:00:50] it's rainbow gatherings are are are
[1:00:52] temporary.
[1:00:53] >> Temporary. Yeah. But I think those two
[1:00:55] things combined, I've also been to a few
[1:00:56] rainbow gatherings and rainbow
[1:00:58] gatherings whoever hasn't been is
[1:01:00] >> it's I feel it's one of the few things
[1:01:01] that I would say it's it's a before and
[1:01:03] after because
[1:01:04] >> gathering with 2,000 people and blessing
[1:01:06] the food that we all cooked at home
[1:01:10] >> like 2,000 people in a circle that that
[1:01:12] is
[1:01:15] >> yeah the rainbow is is incredible. Um,
[1:01:18] and it's so simple and you're all naked
[1:01:20] and there's no technology and you're
[1:01:21] just living and with the land and with
[1:01:24] each other. And I love this idea of like
[1:01:26] the seed from a festival. And it's
[1:01:29] beautiful that this is like happening in
[1:01:31] Brazil. My question like the issue
[1:01:33] really is like land ownership. You know,
[1:01:35] 80% of the land in the UK is like
[1:01:37] privately owned or something absurd.
[1:01:39] Like there are there's like 10 people
[1:01:41] that own like 180,000 acres of land in
[1:01:44] the UK or something wild. like just
[1:01:46] estate owners and aristocracy that's
[1:01:48] been passed through generations. So,
[1:01:50] it's really hard to like find land that
[1:01:52] you can be on and live on and then you
[1:01:55] can stay there for a while but it's
[1:01:56] owned by someone else or you can't build
[1:01:58] permanent structures and you know
[1:01:59] because of wild rules that have been
[1:02:02] made up for no reason you know like
[1:02:04] there's a place in Wales in the UK we
[1:02:06] have something called the one planet
[1:02:07] development where you can if you have
[1:02:09] like a a certain carbon footprint if you
[1:02:11] are making enough income to feed
[1:02:14] yourself from the land you can build
[1:02:16] your own homes. You still have to get
[1:02:18] permission, but you can build it from
[1:02:19] cob and clay as long as it's completely
[1:02:21] natural materials, timber framing,
[1:02:23] whatever it might be, super adobe. You
[1:02:25] can actually build your own homes. And I
[1:02:26] just love this. It's like, why are we
[1:02:28] not becoming a bit more progressive? At
[1:02:30] the moment, there is like unbelievable
[1:02:31] amounts of legislation and and red tape
[1:02:34] that means that you can't just live on
[1:02:36] land and build your own community
[1:02:38] because some madeup person owns it
[1:02:39] because of these madeup borders that
[1:02:41] we've created um and rules. And it
[1:02:45] sucks. And so this is like the next
[1:02:46] step. How do we move beyond all of the
[1:02:49] the wild legislation and rules and
[1:02:51] boundaries that are set? Um because in
[1:02:53] principle this is exactly what we can
[1:02:55] do, you know? So that's the question. Um
[1:02:58] and it's a constant journey of trying to
[1:03:01] figure that out. I think
[1:03:02] >> I mean one of the ways for sure we're
[1:03:04] doing this already is to bring all the
[1:03:06] billionaires and bring it into a tribe
[1:03:08] and then oh wait actually I have like
[1:03:12] >> yeah have resources 100%. Yeah. Did you
[1:03:15] want to share something? And
[1:03:17] >> yeah, um I was just wanted to ask you
[1:03:19] guys to reach on uh so I've been
[1:03:21] fortunate enough to go to the ways and
[1:03:23] woods where you guys host the festival
[1:03:24] although I've not been to medicine
[1:03:25] before and you mentioned about all of
[1:03:28] the features of this festival that we've
[1:03:29] all enjoyed and immersed ourselves in
[1:03:31] and I would like anyone who's not been
[1:03:34] to this area or your festival to know
[1:03:36] the similarities of what the wast like
[1:03:38] just speak about the land and how people
[1:03:40] would enjoy similar
[1:03:42] similar experiences with in that space
[1:03:45] so they can relate to
[1:03:49] >> so to speak about the context of Wazing
[1:03:52] >> like just so people understand like it's
[1:03:54] very similar to this it's woodland in
[1:03:56] the UK a lot of people might not have
[1:03:57] been to England before who are here
[1:04:00] >> uh just so they can relate and see
[1:04:01] themselves in that place you come to
[1:04:03] medicine
[1:04:05] >> yeah definitely I mean one thing that um
[1:04:07] comes to my mind um straight away is
[1:04:08] that there's a ancient utree on the land
[1:04:12] and um there's actually I think it's in
[1:04:14] Scotland, but there's a lineage where
[1:04:17] people go and live with a utree and
[1:04:19] there's a deep medicine in the UT. It's
[1:04:21] actually the oldest tree in the UK. And
[1:04:24] so the UT tree has its deep own deep
[1:04:28] intelligence and it's very present on
[1:04:30] the land there. So we've got we've got
[1:04:32] these ancient trees which really hold
[1:04:35] their own wisdom and energy. And the
[1:04:38] Utree um I'd say is one of the really
[1:04:41] profound things about the land there.
[1:04:42] different trees there are the ancient
[1:04:44] trees but it's very similar we also have
[1:04:46] different um waterways and and just as
[1:04:49] an interesting side note the atomic
[1:04:51] weapons establishment which was built in
[1:04:53] the 60s sits right next door to the site
[1:04:56] and we've also got some really amazing
[1:04:58] lay lines that run through the site um
[1:05:00] which actually Jody you and I were
[1:05:01] talking about the other day um so the I
[1:05:05] don't know if people know about lay
[1:05:06] lines but they're essentially like
[1:05:07] energetic um fields on the earth that um
[1:05:10] have very specific resonance
[1:05:12] And there's also a chapel on the hill
[1:05:15] and the lay line I think runs right
[1:05:17] through the chapel. So it's it's really
[1:05:19] interesting energy and also we've been
[1:05:21] running ceremony there and inviting
[1:05:22] indigenous um wisdom carriers from
[1:05:25] around the world for you know over a
[1:05:26] decade now. So way before medicine
[1:05:29] started. So the prayers are embedded in
[1:05:31] the land. We've also had people come and
[1:05:32] do um like dowsing and create crystal
[1:05:35] grids there. And you know a lot of
[1:05:38] people come and they they they work some
[1:05:40] magic which people who come to the
[1:05:41] festival wouldn't have any clue about
[1:05:43] but essentially it creates it creates a
[1:05:46] very specific protected field around the
[1:05:48] festival. Um you have anything to add
[1:05:51] about the land quite a few magical
[1:05:53] >> Yeah. I mean it's it's like so it's it's
[1:05:57] privately owned and it's a private
[1:05:58] estate that's been in the family of Josh
[1:06:00] for many years. And so you know I
[1:06:02] alluded to this earlier it's like 5 a
[1:06:04] half thousand acres of land. most of it
[1:06:06] woodland.
[1:06:07] >> Yeah.
[1:06:07] >> And and I I shared this earlier, but
[1:06:09] I'll kind of say it again because I
[1:06:10] think it's like really interesting. The
[1:06:12] like origin story of uh Mount Mountain
[1:06:16] Page was the company that Josh's great
[1:06:18] great great great grandparents created.
[1:06:21] They created all of the the maps, the
[1:06:24] artillery maps and the astrology maps.
[1:06:26] Um they were the first creator of the
[1:06:27] world map ever. Um, and they created the
[1:06:30] maps that revolutionized the British
[1:06:32] Empire that that meant that we took over
[1:06:34] the world in different ways and
[1:06:36] destroyed countries and pillaged
[1:06:38] cultures. And it's like a wild and deep
[1:06:41] history of the land. And Josh is in his
[1:06:44] way, like the reason that he's wanting
[1:06:45] to put his land to good use, to allow
[1:06:48] people to come and to heal um on the
[1:06:50] land to kind of, you know, to be in
[1:06:52] service in some way is to heal some of
[1:06:54] his like ancestral line. Um to he's
[1:06:57] writing a book on it right now to to
[1:07:01] yeah to to make up for his ancestral
[1:07:04] story. Um and it's really beautiful.
[1:07:06] It's really beautiful that he's kind of
[1:07:08] trying to heal on all these levels and
[1:07:10] layers and beautiful that medicine's
[1:07:11] ended up being there in this way. So, it
[1:07:13] has a a rich and beautiful and deep
[1:07:14] history. I mean, landscape wise, you
[1:07:16] asked the question, it's like beautiful
[1:07:17] ancient woodlands, swimming lakes. It's
[1:07:19] very beautiful.
[1:07:21] >> One of the most beautiful natural lakes
[1:07:23] I've ever swam in like stunning in the
[1:07:25] UK. You know, a lot of people don't
[1:07:26] know, but we have these spaces.
[1:07:28] >> Yeah.
[1:07:29] >> Yeah. We also create various altars
[1:07:31] across the land as well.
[1:07:33] >> You really like we really honor the
[1:07:35] different elements in the different
[1:07:36] places across the festival. And like you
[1:07:38] know for me
[1:07:40] we change the world by create by
[1:07:43] creating by creating beauty you know
[1:07:45] like it's this this beautiful way it's
[1:07:47] like the beauty way we we create beauty
[1:07:49] so people can be inspired to create more
[1:07:52] beauty and you know it's very hard to
[1:07:55] operate in a in a bad way when you're
[1:07:57] surrounded by beauty. It's so simple but
[1:07:59] we're we're all creative beings and and
[1:08:01] that's our natural state. And so the
[1:08:03] altar is also something that I find
[1:08:04] really unique and special about it. They
[1:08:07] all come, you know, all made of natural
[1:08:08] materials. By the way, what's the time?
[1:08:10] I'm just wondering if we'd like to It's
[1:08:12] four. Okay. Amazing. So, we um But you
[1:08:16] had something. Yeah. Last question.
[1:08:19] >> First of all, thank you. I was invited
[1:08:21] six days ago to be here and I think
[1:08:23] you're why I'm here.
[1:08:26] [snorts]
[1:08:26] >> Bless you.
[1:08:28] >> Um I ran a camp at Burning Man for 25
[1:08:31] years
[1:08:33] >> and I want to speak specifically.
[1:08:35] There's so many things I can speak of.
[1:08:36] 90% of what you said are Bucky that
[1:08:39] quote my favorite quote on the planet.
[1:08:41] >> Yeah.
[1:08:42] >> Um is the green to turquoise.
[1:08:46] >> And the reason I keep going back to
[1:08:48] Bernie man service is because there's no
[1:08:51] commerce
[1:08:53] >> and there's no judgment
[1:08:55] >> and I go for 14 to 16 days.
[1:08:58] >> Once I went for 70 hours
[1:09:01] for a year, good timing. [laughter]
[1:09:06] universe has my back for sure. Um, and
[1:09:09] that I wanted to say that your land is
[1:09:11] coming and coming fast. I'm sure you've
[1:09:14] heard of the great wealth transfer
[1:09:15] that's happening in the trillions of
[1:09:17] dollars and that 60 to 70% of that is
[1:09:20] coming into the hands of the feminine
[1:09:23] >> and whether it is the people you already
[1:09:25] know or that great wealth transfer and
[1:09:28] just being in those communities and you
[1:09:30] had said it of inviting the billionaires
[1:09:33] you know creating systems even here
[1:09:35] someone said they talked to the
[1:09:36] organizers and they said make it nicer
[1:09:38] and bigger and they said we want
[1:09:40] everyone here and making it accessible.
[1:09:42] So is there any suggestions you have of
[1:09:44] that green to turquoise of how to keep
[1:09:48] bringing in that wealth transfer so that
[1:09:51] um everyone is here because we need
[1:09:54] everyone and all of those voices.
[1:09:56] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[1:09:59] You this question is so interesting
[1:10:01] because one of the things and thank you
[1:10:02] for everything you're doing as well.
[1:10:04] It's really happy that you're here. Um
[1:10:07] thank you for your words. Um yeah, so
[1:10:10] we're we're at this um one of the things
[1:10:12] that we're exploring in our year off is
[1:10:14] how do we expand our ecosystem to make
[1:10:17] more impact and to give back more. And
[1:10:19] so we're looking at impact investment
[1:10:22] and the way to connect with high net
[1:10:24] worth individuals. And
[1:10:27] one of the gateways that we found is is
[1:10:30] for is to is first of all to invite them
[1:10:32] to the gathering so they can open their
[1:10:34] hearts. They can experience and they can
[1:10:35] see another way of being and and living
[1:10:37] and be inspired. So this year we've been
[1:10:40] really um switched on with inviting very
[1:10:43] specific individuals to come. So um you
[1:10:46] know and and to share with them like
[1:10:48] it's not we're not a money-making
[1:10:50] enterprise as you say it's we want the
[1:10:53] flow of resource to move so we can give
[1:10:55] back. It's like it's you know we don't
[1:10:57] want to hold anything. It needs to be in
[1:10:59] a continual flow.
[1:11:01] And um and I also think that plant
[1:11:03] medicines are a big doorway to this. you
[1:11:05] know, like people going and and
[1:11:07] experiencing things like Iawaska and
[1:11:09] having realizations that, you know,
[1:11:11] hoarding wealth, for example, isn't a
[1:11:13] natural state of being. And to come into
[1:11:15] community and I think also this this
[1:11:17] space of belonging is really important
[1:11:18] because because often I think with
[1:11:20] wealthy people, they're in a they're in
[1:11:21] their own um kind of they're in their
[1:11:24] own paradigm, you know, and they are
[1:11:26] stuck in that, you know, what what
[1:11:27] Batman says about the paradigm shifts
[1:11:30] that they they can't see a different
[1:11:31] paradigm because [clears throat] they
[1:11:32] can't feel it. And then when they
[1:11:34] experience these things, they can see it
[1:11:35] and they can feel it and then they can
[1:11:36] move into that space. But until they're
[1:11:39] actually like physically in the spaces,
[1:11:40] I don't think that they can shift. But
[1:11:43] yeah, it's this is something that Yeah.
[1:11:46] >> I just wanted to add the distinction,
[1:11:47] you may know this, of the imaginal
[1:11:49] [clears throat] sounds.
[1:11:49] >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The butterfly and
[1:11:51] the caterpillar.
[1:11:53] >> And I think this great transfer is our
[1:11:56] way of having that 10%.
[1:11:59] >> Yeah.
[1:11:59] >> And the imaginal cells is the
[1:12:01] caterpillar, you know, the caterpillar
[1:12:03] eats voraciously at like thousands of
[1:12:06] times it weight I don't know how many
[1:12:08] times and then goes into the cocoon and
[1:12:10] then turns into a nutritive soup and
[1:12:12] then these cells once you eat 10% of
[1:12:15] these imaginable cells they create the
[1:12:17] butterfly
[1:12:18] >> and use this nutrative soup to create
[1:12:21] this new beautiful creation we couldn't
[1:12:23] have imagined
[1:12:25] >> so I'm gonna come back to that imagining
[1:12:28] cell as part of this
[1:12:29] >> green to teal Yeah,
[1:12:32] >> thank you. It's a really beautiful
[1:12:34] inquiry and um we are we have a new
[1:12:36] stage this year. Well, a few new stages,
[1:12:38] but there's one called the circle. And
[1:12:41] rather than it kind of being this format
[1:12:43] where we're like on a stage and we're
[1:12:44] talking to you, it's going to be like
[1:12:47] six to 10 um experts in a certain field
[1:12:51] having a long format 2 and a half hour
[1:12:53] discussion in a circle like a round
[1:12:55] table and people can watch and listen to
[1:12:57] this discussion point to come back into
[1:12:59] the circle and to to have voices heard
[1:13:02] rather than presenting an idea to hold a
[1:13:04] question and an inquiry collectively.
[1:13:06] And on the last day um we it's all about
[1:13:09] how how we move money. Um and so there's
[1:13:12] going to be seven or eight wealth
[1:13:13] holders, people with a lot of money and
[1:13:16] doing wonderful things in the world or
[1:13:17] not. Um to come and hold the question
[1:13:19] around how do we shift our way of being
[1:13:22] and use money and allow money to flow um
[1:13:24] into the things that we we need it to.
[1:13:27] Um there's going to be a few authors
[1:13:29] there, Kate Rayworth who wrote down
[1:13:31] economics and other great people. And so
[1:13:33] this is like an ongoing question and
[1:13:35] something that that we're acutely aware
[1:13:36] of. And I I hold I hold so many
[1:13:40] questions about what the answer is to
[1:13:41] that. But it's shifting their way of
[1:13:44] being and seeing it's like moving away
[1:13:47] from feeling like you've won the game if
[1:13:49] you have the most money.
[1:13:50] >> Yeah.
[1:13:51] >> You know, which is the game.
[1:13:53] >> Yeah. Which is the way of the current
[1:13:55] world and our current philosophy. Um to
[1:13:58] how can I have the most impact and do
[1:13:59] the most good in the world? And you see
[1:14:01] this with like founders like you know
[1:14:02] the Patagonia founder that's put
[1:14:04] billions of pounds into his trust is
[1:14:06] giving nothing to his kids or to protect
[1:14:08] the planet. It's happening more and more
[1:14:10] and more. Um even like the founders of
[1:14:12] Snapchat recently like
[1:14:13] >> paid off like uh500 million pounds of
[1:14:16] like medical debt to um everyone in
[1:14:19] California. They wiped out all the
[1:14:20] medical debt in California or something
[1:14:21] like that. Something wild. And there's a
[1:14:23] happening. I feel it happening. And it's
[1:14:25] like they're the people we should
[1:14:26] celebrate, not the people that hoard
[1:14:29] their own [snorts] resource and deplete
[1:14:31] everything for everyone else. And so I
[1:14:33] think it's coming. Um I don't
[1:14:34] necessarily know the answer, but I think
[1:14:36] it's just cultural and philosophical
[1:14:38] shifts um in in what we value in society
[1:14:42] and [snorts] and that comes through
[1:14:43] gathering and moments of connection and
[1:14:45] inspiration and rich conversations on
[1:14:47] the dance floor and
[1:14:49] >> parties with a purpose.
[1:14:52] >> More of that.
[1:14:54] >> Yay. Thank you.
[1:14:55] >> Okay. Should we take is one more
[1:14:57] question
[1:15:00] >> or share?
[1:15:02] >> Yeah, sure.
[1:15:02] >> I realize that like each and every one
[1:15:06] of us can have such like a huge impact
[1:15:09] already in like integrating this
[1:15:11] frequency that we live here and bring it
[1:15:13] back home and just like to everyone
[1:15:16] doesn't matter work, family, friends. If
[1:15:19] you just like treat everyone like it's
[1:15:22] it's a family member, it's another form
[1:15:26] of ourselves. With this frequency, we
[1:15:29] can catch so many people and build
[1:15:31] community. I myself love to do like this
[1:15:34] co-creational events where I just invite
[1:15:37] people from everywhere. Even sometimes
[1:15:39] random people that I just meet, get them
[1:15:42] here and like show them how we do.
[1:15:45] this like meeting with with intention
[1:15:49] and like just showing them how we do. I
[1:15:51] can see like how much community grows
[1:15:54] and
[1:15:54] >> you don't have to like I mean it's great
[1:15:57] to to buy land and to do this but I
[1:15:59] myself I think we should just like
[1:16:02] spread this in all our society and try
[1:16:05] to just yeah show them how it can be. So
[1:16:09] anyway they just come and shift their
[1:16:12] mindset.
[1:16:13] >> I love that. over my yesterday um after
[1:16:16] a jade set um I saw and I was thinking
[1:16:19] oh there's like cans all over the floor
[1:16:22] and um I started picking up the cans and
[1:16:24] I looked over and there was another
[1:16:25] woman she was also picking up cans and
[1:16:27] she was like if we pick up cans everyone
[1:16:29] will pick up cans it's so simple right
[1:16:32] because we we mimic as humans if we
[1:16:34] that's how the culture works is that we
[1:16:36] mimic and then we and then it becomes a
[1:16:38] critical mass and then we all do that
[1:16:40] thing and then we all believe in it you
[1:16:42] know like we create our own realities
[1:16:44] through a shared agreement of that is
[1:16:46] the reality, you know, and so and I love
[1:16:49] what you're saying because it's it's
[1:16:50] leading by example and being aware and I
[1:16:52] love what you're saying about every
[1:16:54] single person is part of the human
[1:16:55] family and you know like sometimes we
[1:16:57] forget that and you know treat everybody
[1:16:59] as as their brother and sister you know
[1:17:03] um that we um I was really honored to
[1:17:06] meet um Chase Ionize who was one of the
[1:17:08] people um who was um fundamental at
[1:17:10] Standing Rock when I was over in America
[1:17:12] a couple of weeks ago. and he was
[1:17:13] sharing a lot about the Lakota way of
[1:17:15] being and um and the Lakota way of being
[1:17:18] is essentially you know we are an ally
[1:17:20] of the universe like that's the way of
[1:17:22] being it's like so everyone's a sister
[1:17:24] and brother all beings are sisters and
[1:17:26] brothers you know it's just like a
[1:17:27] complete like ecosystem of of belief and
[1:17:30] that's so fundamental to their way of
[1:17:33] being and practice you know and the way
[1:17:35] that it's um made so manifest in their
[1:17:37] culture is because they gather in teepee
[1:17:40] they gather in ceremony and those values
[1:17:42] are shared all the time and they're
[1:17:43] deepened and deepened and deepened. Um,
[1:17:46] so yeah, it's it is about land but it's
[1:17:48] also just about a simple way of being.
[1:17:49] So, thanks for bringing that. Yeah.
[1:17:53] >> Yeah. [laughter] One more. Hello.
[1:17:56] >> First of all, thank you for being here.
[1:18:02] One of my favorite places in the world
[1:18:04] and it's really
[1:18:09] and I just I'm just in a conundrum
[1:18:11] because I have to say goodbye to my
[1:18:13] sister to another country, but I would
[1:18:15] love to talk to you about impact
[1:18:17] investing and podcast.
[1:18:18] >> Amazing.
[1:18:19] >> So, are you guys around?
[1:18:20] >> We're around. Yeah.
[1:18:22] >> We're partying hard tonight. [laughter]
[1:18:27] >> Oh, yeah.
[1:18:29] >> Yeah. Come find us. We'll find you.
[1:18:34] [laughter]
[1:18:34] >> I think I think we're kind of out of
[1:18:36] time, which is amazing. It's 14 minutes
[1:18:37] past and we finish in one minute. So,
[1:18:39] that was perfect. [laughter]
[1:18:41] Thank you so much.
[1:18:42] >> Thanks for coming.
[1:18:45] >> I didn't think anyone would want to
[1:18:46] listen to a talk here. So, thanks for
[1:18:49] being here.
[1:18:50] >> Appreciate you guys.
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