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[0:00] Because a lot of us are waiting around
[0:02] for motivation. We're waiting to feel
[0:05] ready, but before the feeling, you have
[0:09] to have an intention about what you
[0:11] want, and you have to start acting
[0:13] [music] as if you are going to cause
[0:16] that to happen. Sitting around waiting
[0:18] to feel ready [music] to take control of
[0:20] your health or to change your job or
[0:22] relationship, you're going to be sitting
[0:23] around waiting until you die. Because if
[0:25] [music] you had felt like it, you would
[0:27] have done it by now.
[0:28] >> Before we jump into today's episode, I
[0:30] want to take a moment to share some
[0:31] really exciting news with you. The
[0:33] Doctor Hyman Show has just won four
[0:35] Signal Awards. Our conversation with
[0:37] Doctors Ray Dorsey and Michael Owen
[0:38] about Rethinking Parkinson's, well, that
[0:40] took home the gold for thought
[0:41] leadership. And our live conversation
[0:43] with Halle Berry at Eudaimonia won
[0:45] silver for best live podcast recording.
[0:48] And what makes this especially
[0:49] meaningful is that both episodes also
[0:51] won listeners' choice awards, voted on
[0:54] by you, our audience. I want to say a
[0:56] huge thank you to everyone who listens,
[0:57] shares our episodes, and supports the
[0:59] show. And of course, to our incredible
[1:00] guests and the team behind the scenes
[1:02] who make these conversations possible.
[1:04] Our mission is to empower you to take
[1:06] charge of your health, and I'm so
[1:08] grateful you're part of this community.
[1:09] If you haven't had a chance to listen to
[1:11] either of these award-winning
[1:12] conversations, we'll include links to
[1:14] both episodes in the show notes below so
[1:16] you can check them out. Now, let's get
[1:18] into today's episode. So, Mel, welcome
[1:20] back to the podcast. So good to have you
[1:21] here.
[1:22] >> It's so great to see you, and I have to
[1:24] say you look very handsome on that set,
[1:26] [music] and you have matched the set
[1:29] perfectly
[1:30] >> with a a nice neutral [music] brown
[1:32] sweater. You look very healthy,
[1:34] >> Yes.
[1:34] >> which is on brand for you.
[1:36] >> It is. And you know what? Well, that is
[1:37] exactly the topic I want to talk about,
[1:39] which is how do we get better as we get
[1:41] older? And and I've been, you know,
[1:43] getting a lot of feedback that I look
[1:44] better than ever at almost 67, which is
[1:47] confusing to me cuz I'm, you know, on
[1:48] Medicare.
[1:49] >> Wait, you're 67?
[1:51] >> in a month. Yeah, I'm actually 67.
[1:54] I'm a grandpa.
[1:56] >> What?
[1:57] >> right? I know. I know.
[1:58] >> Well, congratulations on being a new
[2:00] grandpa, but I just want to take a
[2:02] moment and say you do look fantastic. I
[2:05] have known you for probably a decade and
[2:08] you seem more vibrant and alive and
[2:11] there is a lot of vitality and energy
[2:16] that is radiating from you.
[2:18] >> Thank you. I got I've been getting that
[2:19] feedback and I think it's true. And I
[2:21] think it's really about not giving up on
[2:23] life. Like like grabbing life by the
[2:25] horns at any age and going it's not
[2:28] over. You know, I could be like retired.
[2:29] I have enough money. I don't need to
[2:30] work another day.
[2:32] But I'm excited about life. I'm excited
[2:34] about what I'm doing in the world. I'm
[2:35] excited about how I can contribute to,
[2:37] you know, as as Common said to to know
[2:39] where I'm going to put my one grain of
[2:41] spiritual sand on the universal scales
[2:43] of humanity. Like that matters to me and
[2:45] it gets me about a bed every day.
[2:47] And it gets me in the gym in the
[2:48] morning. It gets me, you know, taking my
[2:49] vitamins and doing my things and it's
[2:51] not like a job for me. It's just it's
[2:53] it's actually generative and I was just
[2:55] thinking about, you know, both our
[2:56] careers were we were kind of late
[2:58] bloomers.
[2:59] >> [laughter]
[3:00] >> You know, you started the podcast at 54.
[3:03] I started mine at, you know, 59 or
[3:05] something. [laughter]
[3:06] And you know, we we keep we keep
[3:08] expanding. We keep growing. We keep
[3:09] learning. We keep discovering about
[3:10] ourselves and we keep moving forward in
[3:13] a way that actually allows us to be
[3:15] enlivened and also like
[3:17] us to contribute to the world in a way.
[3:18] And I think a lot of people think that
[3:20] when you get older
[3:21] you sort of the game's over. Like okay,
[3:23] I'm on Medicare now. Okay, well, I
[3:25] should be like doing shuffleboard in
[3:27] Miami Beach, you know,
[3:28] >> [laughter]
[3:28] >> like my grandfather.
[3:30] But I'm not and I and I think, you know,
[3:32] you're not either. You're just getting
[3:34] going it feels like to me.
[3:35] >> Well, I think it's extraordinary just
[3:37] for the person who's listening or
[3:38] watching us right now to really put into
[3:41] context that the majority of the people
[3:44] that know me
[3:46] only know me because of what I've done
[3:49] in the last 3 and 1/2 years in my late
[3:51] 50s.
[3:51] >> Yeah.
[3:52] >> And that's a very important thing
[3:54] because you said that part of it is
[3:57] realizing that you don't need to give up
[3:59] on the game and here's the thing, you
[4:01] get to set the rules about what game you
[4:03] want to play.
[4:05] And I'm going to take a guess, Mark, and
[4:06] say that if you're listening or watching
[4:10] this right now, if you're a fan of Dr.
[4:12] Hyman's, it's because you want a little
[4:15] of what he's got.
[4:17] You want to know the the the the mix of
[4:19] No, I'm I'm I'm dead serious because
[4:21] the thing about podcasting that most
[4:24] people don't really think about is
[4:25] there's very few forms of media in
[4:28] today's world
[4:29] that you have to intentionally
[4:32] commit to. There is an intentional act
[4:35] by the person who is listening or who's
[4:36] watching, who's here with us right now,
[4:39] to press play on this instead of some
[4:43] other type of show that you might pass
[4:45] the time in the background or whatever.
[4:47] It's not really contributing to your
[4:48] life other than distracting you and
[4:50] making you laugh a little bit, which has
[4:51] value. But if you're choosing to listen
[4:54] to this or to watch this, it tells me
[4:57] something about you. It tells me that
[4:58] you want to feel better. You want to do
[5:01] better. You want to have the vibrancy
[5:04] and the energy that Dr. Hyman has. You
[5:08] are a person who is interested in
[5:10] learning. And so, just that intention
[5:13] and spending your time trying to educate
[5:17] and empower yourself about small choices
[5:19] that you can make in order to extend not
[5:23] just the years of your life, but the
[5:25] quality and the vibrancy of the years
[5:28] that you are living those, you know, the
[5:30] rest of your life. That's why somebody's
[5:32] listening right now. And so, I think
[5:34] it's really cool that as busy as you are
[5:37] and as, you know, you are pulled in so
[5:40] many directions that you are taking time
[5:43] to create a show that allows people to
[5:47] educate themselves and to feel inspired.
[5:50] And you're also setting an example, Dr.
[5:52] Hyman. So, you know, I think it's really
[5:54] great that that we're going to talk
[5:56] about some little things you can do
[5:57] today that, you know, you may not look
[5:59] as good as Dr.
[6:00] >> [laughter]
[6:01] >> But you could always just put on a
[6:02] sparkly shirt like I'm wearing to to
[6:04] exude energy. [laughter]
[6:08] >> Oh my god. Yeah, I mean right back at
[6:10] you Mel. I think the same goes for you
[6:12] as well and I think you know what as I'm
[6:14] thinking about what you're saying
[6:15] I think a lot of people as they get
[6:17] older they lose motivation, they lose
[6:18] purpose, they lose like sense of
[6:20] possibility in their life and what's
[6:22] ahead and I'm curious about how how do
[6:24] people reconnect to that? You've done
[6:26] it, I've done it. I know how it's come
[6:28] about for me but I'm very curious how
[6:30] you coach people around this cuz you
[6:31] know you went from being a lawyer and a
[6:33] public defender to being a life coach to
[6:36] being like a media
[6:38] personality in your own show to end up
[6:40] doing your podcast and so like you
[6:42] really
[6:43] and now your incredibly best-selling
[6:45] book Let Them has really laid the
[6:47] groundwork for how people can think
[6:48] about having a life that's more
[6:50] generative and less caught up in drama
[6:53] and chaos and you know just
[6:55] misunderstanding of how the world works.
[6:56] So how how do you coach people on on the
[6:58] idea that that it's not too late to have
[7:01] a happy life.
[7:03] You can't you don't have to give up at
[7:04] any age.
[7:05] >> Well, first of all just throw whatever
[7:06] number your age is out the window.
[7:08] It doesn't matter. It truly doesn't
[7:10] matter. It doesn't matter
[7:12] if you've never climbed a flight of
[7:14] stairs, it doesn't matter if you've been
[7:17] unemployed for a while, if you've let
[7:18] yourself go because you've been busy
[7:20] taking care of everybody else, if you're
[7:22] recovering from some kind of diagnosis,
[7:24] it truly doesn't matter because one of
[7:26] the extraordinary things and you know
[7:28] this because you're a medical doctor
[7:30] Dr. Hyman but you know after
[7:32] interviewing more than 400
[7:33] world-renowned scientific and medical
[7:35] experts on my show one thing that I know
[7:38] to be true
[7:39] is that the human
[7:42] design, your body, your brain, your
[7:45] physiology has this incredible capacity
[7:49] to change and grow and get stronger and
[7:51] more vibrant for the rest of your life.
[7:55] If you are breathing, it is not too
[7:57] late. That even if you've never lifted a
[8:00] weight and you're 92 years old, if you
[8:02] start picking up the big tomato cans and
[8:06] >> you start doing some bicep curls, that
[8:09] little bit of tension on your muscles,
[8:11] your muscles will respond. You're
[8:12] designed that way. And so, I think the
[8:15] very first thing
[8:17] that you need to ask yourself is, what
[8:20] do you really want? Like, forget about
[8:22] the rearview mirror, forget about the
[8:24] past. Starting today and moving forward,
[8:28] what do you want? And if you don't know
[8:32] the answer to that question, then I'm
[8:35] going to push you a little bit. Because
[8:37] if you can't answer it in the positive,
[8:40] you absolutely can answer it in the
[8:43] negative.
[8:44] If there are aspects of your health that
[8:46] you no longer want to live with, I'm
[8:48] tired of feeling fat. I'm tired of being
[8:51] out of shape. I'm tired of being winded
[8:54] when I climb up the stairs. I'm tired of
[8:57] beating myself up. Knowing what you
[8:59] don't want is a terrific place to start
[9:02] because then you can just flip it, as
[9:04] dumb as it sounds, "Well, if I don't
[9:07] want to constantly feel like I'm out of
[9:09] breath, then clearly what I want is for
[9:12] the rest of my life, I want to be the
[9:14] kind of person
[9:16] that puts my health first." Because here
[9:19] is a truth.
[9:20] If you don't have your health,
[9:23] you don't have your life.
[9:25] Your health is the defining factor,
[9:29] probably more than just about anything
[9:31] else, when it comes to your sense of
[9:35] satisfaction of your life, your ability
[9:37] to participate, how you feel about
[9:39] yourself. And so, if I could urge you to
[9:42] do one thing as you're listening to
[9:44] this, it's to ask yourself, "What do I
[9:45] really want?"
[9:46] >> Mhm.
[9:47] >> And how do What kind of person do I want
[9:49] to be
[9:51] for the next decade of my life?
[9:54] I'd start with intention and your
[9:57] identity, not who you've been. Oh, I've
[9:59] always been kind of a lazy person that
[10:00] didn't do this, that, or the other. Oh,
[10:01] I could never get a handle on it. No,
[10:03] no, no. What is it that you want looking
[10:05] forward?
[10:06] And talk to me about the kind of person
[10:10] who does that because a lot of us are
[10:13] waiting around for motivation.
[10:15] >> Yeah.
[10:15] >> We're waiting to feel ready, but before
[10:18] the feeling
[10:21] you have to have an intention about what
[10:24] you want and you have to start acting as
[10:27] if
[10:29] you are going to cause that to happen.
[10:30] Sitting around waiting to feel ready to
[10:33] take control of your health or to change
[10:35] your job or relationship, you're going
[10:37] to be sitting around waiting until you
[10:38] die because if you had felt like it, you
[10:41] would have done it by now.
[10:42] >> Yeah, that's so true, Mel. I think, you
[10:44] know, we we kind of focus on what we
[10:45] want going forward and and I think, you
[10:47] know, to highlight what you said, it
[10:50] it's never too late. I didn't start
[10:51] lifting weights until I was 59. When I
[10:52] was 50, I couldn't do 10 push-ups. I
[10:54] couldn't do one pull-up. And now I'm
[10:56] crushing it.
[10:56] >> Wait, can you say that louder for us?
[10:58] You couldn't do a push-up at 50?
[11:00] >> do I 10 push-ups, it would crush me and
[11:02] then I'd be sore for a week and then I
[11:04] wouldn't do it anymore. And at 50 at 50,
[11:06] I couldn't do one pull-up. And now I can
[11:09] do like 15 pull-ups, probably 75
[11:11] push-ups and and like I'm getting older.
[11:14] >> 75? Now you're just bragging. [laughter]
[11:16] Here he goes. That's incre But see here
[11:18] But here I'm joking, but here's the
[11:20] thing. I can't do I can't do 15 pull-ups
[11:23] and I can't do 75 push-ups, but here's
[11:26] what I can do. I can do a dead hang for
[11:29] 30 seconds. I can do about 20 push-ups,
[11:33] you know, elevated against a bench, but
[11:35] even hearing you say you went from
[11:37] basically zero and being a twig that I
[11:40] could snap in half with my pinky finger
[11:43] >> to a dude that can Yeah. Yeah, a dude
[11:45] that can do 75 push-ups, that proves the
[11:48] point I'm making.
[11:49] >> Yeah.
[11:50] >> If you get clear about what you want. I
[11:52] want to be stronger in this decade. I
[11:53] want to have energy to dance at every
[11:55] wedding. I want to put my suitcase in
[11:57] the overhead by myself as I get older. I
[12:00] want to be able to, you know, open jars
[12:02] and change light bulbs.
[12:04] >> I I want to be able to play with him,
[12:06] you know.
[12:06] >> Yes.
[12:06] >> And not be like
[12:07] >> Yes, and this is also really important.
[12:09] So, we've already talked about you You
[12:11] to get clear about your intention. What
[12:12] do you want?
[12:13] You've got to start to think about,
[12:15] okay, the kind of person that has what I
[12:17] want, what kind of person is that? What
[12:20] do they do during the day? What are the
[12:22] What are the habits that that person
[12:24] has? And then, the third piece of this
[12:26] is, you start acting as if you're
[12:30] already that person, even though you
[12:31] don't feel like that person. And it's
[12:33] not going to feel easy. You should
[12:34] expect it to feel hard. This comes from
[12:36] Dr. K, uh, who's a Harvard-trained
[12:38] psychiatrist who taught me more about
[12:40] motivation than just about anybody else.
[12:42] He basically says, "When you think about
[12:45] motivation in the brain, we're basically
[12:47] all driving a car, stepping on the
[12:49] brake, wishing it would drive forward."
[12:51] And what we don't understand is that our
[12:53] brains are adaptable, they can change,
[12:57] but really they like to do the thing
[12:59] that's easy.
[12:59] >> Mhm.
[13:00] >> And it's never going to feel easy to do
[13:03] something you've never done before. And
[13:04] so, it's very important to understand
[13:06] that when you go, "Okay, I actually
[13:09] would like to be able to do 10 push-ups.
[13:11] Oh, I'd like to lose some weight." What
[13:12] is a person who's done that? How do they
[13:14] start acting? Dr. K's advice is to
[13:17] basically say, "I know I don't want to
[13:19] do this. I'm doing it anyway."
[13:21] >> Yeah.
[13:21] >> Because I'm the kind of person
[13:24] who does this hard thing because I want
[13:28] to feel stronger in my life. And I know
[13:30] that this is the only way to get it. And
[13:33] marrying this sense of identity, not who
[13:36] you've been in the past, but who you're
[13:37] becoming, is a really big part of this,
[13:40] because I think the other mistake that
[13:41] I've made in the past, Mark, is, you
[13:43] know, I hear somebody like you going,
[13:45] "All right, I took my my control my
[13:46] health at 50. I started doing all this
[13:47] stuff." And then I'm like, "Oh, I should
[13:48] do that. Oh, I should do that. Oh, I
[13:50] should do that."
[13:51] >> Yeah.
[13:52] >> Well, if you don't have a deeply
[13:53] personal reason
[13:55] >> Mhm.
[13:56] >> why you want to,
[14:00] you're not going to do it, because you
[14:03] are basically tying the difficult thing
[14:05] you need to do, whether it's cutting out
[14:07] sugar. I mean, it could be a million
[14:09] things that that you want to do to feel
[14:11] better in your life, you're basically
[14:14] tying it to a punishment, that there's
[14:16] something wrong with you, and I want you
[14:18] to change the source of motivation
[14:21] to something personal that's like, "No,
[14:22] I have a vision for the kind of person I
[14:24] want to be, and I realize that's not
[14:26] going to fall out of the the sky, and
[14:29] you know, no unicorns flying into this
[14:31] room and stabbing me in the face with
[14:33] the horn on their face in order to hit
[14:35] me with the magic dust to make me do
[14:37] this."
[14:38] I realize that there's a deeply personal
[14:41] reason why I want to do it. I I want to
[14:44] share with you some interesting
[14:44] research. You may know this, but for all
[14:46] the women who are listening or watching,
[14:49] or if you're watching and you've got
[14:50] women in your life that you love, share
[14:52] this with them. There was this
[14:53] fascinating study that they did around
[14:55] motivation in women exercising. And I
[14:57] don't remember who did it. I I we
[14:59] covered this on the podcast recently,
[15:00] but I found it to be so cool that when
[15:04] in this research study, a certain group
[15:06] of women
[15:08] were making the reason why they were
[15:10] exercising
[15:11] personal time.
[15:13] Not because they needed to lose weight.
[15:15] Not because, you know, they got to get
[15:17] their hormones in check. "But I exercise
[15:20] every day because it's the only time I
[15:22] get for me.
[15:24] It's my time. The dog doesn't need me,
[15:27] the kids don't need me, I don't have to
[15:29] be at work. This is the time I protect
[15:31] for me. It's not about losing weight,
[15:33] it's not about getting healthier."
[15:35] They were more motivated, more
[15:36] consistent, and actually started to feel
[15:41] like they were looking forward to it.
[15:43] And it makes sense because when the
[15:45] reason why you're doing something is
[15:48] tied to a deeply personal thing for you,
[15:52] now you're tapping into the internal
[15:55] intrinsic motivation for why this
[15:57] matters to do it. And that helps you on
[15:59] those days that you just don't want to.
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[18:12] And a lot of people have it. And yet and
[18:15] yet the doorway to to health is is is
[18:17] pretty straightforward. It's not
[18:19] complicated. And yet you there's such a
[18:21] resistance. And but you you also
[18:23] famously said that motivation is sort of
[18:25] kind of a fallacy or it's kind of
[18:27] garbage and that there should be another
[18:28] approach. And I and I kind of want you
[18:30] to expand on that. And I often think
[18:32] that, you know, it goes back to this
[18:33] this idea that you have to
[18:36] act into the feeling, not feeling into
[18:37] the acting. And a lot of people wait to
[18:39] have a feeling before they act instead
[18:41] of moving toward a trajectory they want,
[18:44] even if they don't feel like it. And I
[18:45] I've been there. I I had a really
[18:47] life-changing
[18:49] experience, almost died a year and a
[18:50] half ago, had back surgery, lost 25 lb,
[18:53] was in a wheelchair. I couldn't walk
[18:55] without uh, you know, anybody holding me
[18:57] up or walker.
[18:59] And I literally had to start from zero.
[19:01] And and I did not feel like doing
[19:04] anything. I just felt like laying in
[19:05] bed, taking drugs, and watching TV. But
[19:08] every day I would go, "Okay,
[19:09] >> That sounds like my 20s.
[19:10] >> [laughter]
[19:12] >> I mean, I don't mean illegal drugs. I
[19:14] mean, like the painkillers I was on.
[19:16] >> [laughter]
[19:17] >> I mean, I just like numbing out cuz
[19:20] where what state I was in was so bad. I
[19:22] my hemoglobin was seven. I lost half my
[19:23] blood volume. I was exhausted. I was
[19:26] depressed. My hormones were in the
[19:27] toilet. My testosterone was like a
[19:28] hundred, which was like a 90-year-old
[19:30] guy. I was just a I was a mess. And I
[19:33] and I literally had to get up,
[19:35] you know, with help, and I would go to
[19:36] the gym. I would get my physical
[19:38] therapist work with me. I'd be laying on
[19:39] the floor and I'd put a little band
[19:41] around my knees. And I would just open
[19:42] my knees a little bit. And I could do a
[19:43] few, you know, knee spreads and and that
[19:46] was it. And then I would do the next
[19:47] thing and the next thing. I just did
[19:48] every day. And I didn't feel like it.
[19:50] But I I I and I don't I feel like that
[19:52] was my motivation. But I I I I hear you
[19:54] saying that, you you know, the way we
[19:56] think about motivation is wrong. So, I
[19:57] want you to kind of help us understand
[19:59] what you mean by that.
[19:59] >> So, you can waste decades of your life
[20:02] waiting to feel ready to do something.
[20:04] And let's just take an example we can
[20:05] all relate to.
[20:07] The alarm goes off first thing in the
[20:09] morning.
[20:10] And because you've gotten out of bed
[20:13] every morning of your life,
[20:15] it should technically be pretty easy
[20:18] when the alarm goes off
[20:20] just to roll right out of to
[20:22] But have you ever noticed that there are
[20:24] just those mornings that the alarm goes
[20:27] off,
[20:28] and instead of just rolling out of bed,
[20:30] what do you do?
[20:31] You lay there,
[20:33] and you think about how you feel
[20:37] about getting out of bed.
[20:39] And that's the trap.
[20:41] That when you stop and consider how you
[20:45] feel about doing something,
[20:48] it takes less than 5 seconds
[20:51] for you to talk yourself out of it.
[20:55] And this is the most normal
[20:58] human [snorts] experience.
[21:01] It's this habit of hesitating
[21:04] in the smallest moments
[21:06] when you know what you should do,
[21:09] but instead of doing it, you stop and
[21:12] think,
[21:14] "How do I feel about doing it?" You
[21:16] know, you could be at work, and you're
[21:18] in a meeting, and you have something to
[21:19] say, but instead of saying it, you stop
[21:21] and think about whether or not you
[21:23] should say it. And then you talk
[21:25] yourself out of it. And so, you know,
[21:27] there are there are big decisions in
[21:28] life, like getting married, signing
[21:30] contracts, things that have implications
[21:33] to them that you should stop and think
[21:34] about, and you should consider the right
[21:36] decision.
[21:37] But, 99% of the things that you've got
[21:40] to do day in and day out, particularly
[21:42] the things that impact your health,
[21:44] we tend to, in those moments, either do
[21:48] the easy thing, because that's what we
[21:50] feel like doing,
[21:51] or opt out of the hard thing because we
[21:54] don't feel ready to do it.
[21:56] >> Mhm.
[21:57] >> And I
[21:58] believe that your whole life comes down
[22:01] to these 5-second windows.
[22:02] >> Yeah.
[22:03] >> These windows where you know what you
[22:06] should do. I should I should really
[22:07] order the salad with the grilled chicken
[22:10] or the salmon, cuz, you know, I listened
[22:11] to Dr.
[22:12] Hyman's podcast, and it's just
[22:15] listening's not making me healthy. I
[22:16] really got to apply some of this stuff.
[22:18] And so, you're there, and then you're
[22:19] like, "Ah, screw it. I'll have the beer
[22:22] and the burger, and I'm going to get the
[22:24] truffle fries, you know, add the extra
[22:26] cheese, and that was your feeling
[22:31] ordering it. Can you have that
[22:32] occasionally? Of course, but
[22:35] your life is the accumulation of the
[22:38] decisions that you make, and what's
[22:40] exciting about understanding this
[22:42] 5-second window
[22:44] is that if you know you're always going
[22:46] to kind of hesitate, that's just how
[22:48] we're designed.
[22:49] If you can move within 5 seconds and
[22:52] make the harder choice or make the
[22:54] healthier choice,
[22:56] those hard decisions and choices, going
[22:59] to the gym, getting out the door for the
[23:00] walk, putting down the brownie, and, you
[23:03] know, picking up the zero-calorie
[23:06] seltzer, cutting out the alcohol, all
[23:08] the little things that we know we need
[23:10] to do, but we never feel like doing it.
[23:12] Like, I've often thought, you know,
[23:13] Mark,
[23:15] just imagine if you did all the things
[23:16] you don't feel like doing.
[23:18] You'd have everything you've ever
[23:19] wanted.
[23:20] >> Probably.
[23:21] >> It It like like it would for real. And I
[23:23] I I can only say this because I used to
[23:26] be 1,000% driven by my feelings.
[23:29] >> Yeah.
[23:29] >> And then I was also pissed off and upset
[23:32] that I didn't have the results that I
[23:33] saw other people getting, whether it was
[23:35] getting out of debt, or it was being in
[23:38] better shape, or it was being a calmer,
[23:41] more peaceful, in control person.
[23:43] And the reason I didn't have the things
[23:46] that I wanted is because I was losing
[23:48] the battle
[23:50] every day, all day long with my
[23:51] feelings. I let my feelings dictate
[23:54] my choices, rather than stopping and
[23:56] going, "Okay, what do I want?" Let's get
[23:58] intentional about what you want. Answer
[24:00] the question, because if you don't know
[24:01] what you want,
[24:03] you're always going to be lost.
[24:05] You cannot hit a target without creating
[24:08] one.
[24:09] And so, when you answer the question,
[24:10] "What do I actually want?" and then you
[24:12] back up and you say, "Well, I know how I
[24:14] act, but how does a person
[24:16] who has those things act in their
[24:18] day-to-day life, and what are some
[24:20] different choices that I know I'm not
[24:21] going to feel like making?"
[24:23] >> Mhm.
[24:23] >> that I could start making, so I start
[24:25] acting like that person now.
[24:29] That's the formula. Like that's it.
[24:31] >> And you talk about this 5-second rule
[24:32] and and so how does someone catch
[24:34] themselves in the moment instead of
[24:36] ordering the burger or the salmon or the
[24:38] broccoli?
[24:38] >> [laughter]
[24:39] >> How do How do you practically do that?
[24:41] >> So I think it's it's a great question
[24:43] and this is why being intentional is
[24:46] really important.
[24:47] Because if you don't know what you want,
[24:50] you actually are on autopilot in those
[24:53] moments.
[24:55] And so really getting clear with
[24:56] yourself. If I think about the next 10
[24:59] years of my life, what do I want my life
[25:01] to look and feel like? What are some
[25:03] things I want to experience? What kind
[25:04] of person do I want to be? What are some
[25:06] of the goals and the changes that I want
[25:08] to make that would make me healthier and
[25:10] happier? I mean, you know, cuz the fact
[25:12] is
[25:13] you get one life.
[25:15] Why wouldn't you
[25:17] allow yourself
[25:18] to enjoy it?
[25:20] You get one shot at this.
[25:23] Why wouldn't you wake up and start to
[25:26] take it seriously, especially if you're
[25:28] getting older like me and Dr. Hyman?
[25:30] I mean, time is like an ice cube on a
[25:32] kitchen counter. It's melting.
[25:35] One minute it's there, the next minute
[25:36] it's like a puddle on the counter. What
[25:38] the hell are you waiting for?
[25:39] And so I hope you wake up and get
[25:41] serious about the time that you have
[25:43] left because when you get clear about
[25:45] what you want, not only can your body
[25:48] change, not only can your health change,
[25:51] but the world has a funny way of rising
[25:54] up and supporting you in the changes
[25:57] you're intentional about. So this
[25:58] 5-second rule is very simple. I invented
[26:01] it to help me get out of bed at a moment
[26:03] in my life where I was 41 and my husband
[26:05] and I were 800 grand in debt, liens on
[26:08] the house, I had lost my job, I had a
[26:10] million reasons to be mad at the world
[26:12] and upset with myself and my husband and
[26:14] I became a person I didn't recognize. I
[26:17] like you in the in the
[26:20] a post-surgery, only I did it to myself.
[26:22] >> Yeah.
[26:23] >> And I couldn't even blame doctors on it.
[26:25] Like I was the dummy that bankrupted
[26:27] myself. And so I was drinking myself
[26:30] into the ground. I didn't know what to
[26:33] do,
[26:35] and I realized that nobody else was
[26:38] going to come and fix my life.
[26:40] And if I wanted to keep this house that
[26:42] was about to be foreclosed on, if I
[26:46] wanted to keep my family together, if I
[26:49] wanted to become a different person, it
[26:51] was on me.
[26:53] And it started with getting out of bed,
[26:56] even though I didn't want to. I wanted
[26:59] to lay in bed and fall back asleep and
[27:02] avoid what I needed to do.
[27:05] And so I, in that period, was inspired
[27:09] by watching a rocket ship launch across
[27:11] a TV screen, and it's a dumb idea, but
[27:13] this is what happened. I just started
[27:15] counting backwards first thing in the
[27:16] morning, 5-4-3-2-1, and the moment I hit
[27:19] one, I had to move. That was the deal.
[27:21] And it works. And the reason why it
[27:23] works, I know this now, is because
[27:26] when you start counting backwards,
[27:28] 5-4-3-2-1,
[27:31] the moment you start counting,
[27:34] you've actually already decided to do
[27:36] the hard thing.
[27:37] And the counting backwards is such an
[27:40] intentional action that it silences
[27:43] all of the noise and feelings and
[27:45] organizes
[27:47] your attention
[27:49] on the action you need to take. That's
[27:51] why it works.
[27:53] And so, that's what you can use. And
[27:55] there's one more thing I'll add to this
[27:57] because it just normalizes
[28:00] this
[28:01] moment where your feelings take over.
[28:05] And I know that you're tired of talking
[28:07] yourself out of the things that you want
[28:09] in your life. I know you're tired of
[28:10] arguing against the changes you want to
[28:12] make.
[28:13] And you know, I'm going to point
[28:15] everybody to the most famous tagline in
[28:17] the world. It's Nike, just do it.
[28:20] And the reason why that tagline, just do
[28:22] it, is so powerful is because of one
[28:25] word. And it's not the word everybody
[28:27] thinks it is.
[28:28] See, imagine if it had been do it. Like
[28:31] that that that's like not inspiring.
[28:33] That's an order.
[28:34] The word that makes that tagline so
[28:37] universally powerful is just.
[28:41] See, Nike knows every athlete stands on
[28:44] the sidelines and wants to get in the
[28:46] game, but what are they doing? They're
[28:48] questioning.
[28:49] They're doubting.
[28:50] They're hesitating. They're talking
[28:52] themselves out of it.
[28:54] Just do it.
[28:56] The just acknowledges how universal
[29:00] self-doubt is, how often your emotions
[29:04] rise up to block you from the things
[29:07] that you're capable of, and the really
[29:10] sick joke on all of us is the fact that
[29:13] your feelings come first, and they're
[29:16] always going to be there, particularly
[29:18] when you're doing something new.
[29:20] And just do it and 5-4-3-2-1
[29:23] reminds you
[29:25] that it's your actions that change
[29:27] everything. It's your actions that push
[29:29] through the fear. It's your actions that
[29:32] move you through the self-doubt,
[29:35] and it's the actions that start to not
[29:38] only build your confidence and a bit of
[29:40] momentum, but they prove to you
[29:44] that you're becoming somebody new.
[29:47] >> Yeah, I mean, it's it's a really
[29:49] important what you're saying because I I
[29:50] just want to unpack a few things that
[29:51] you said. You You said earlier that, you
[29:54] know, health is a foundation for
[29:55] building the rest of your life cuz you
[29:57] feel like crap, it's going to be hard to
[29:58] do anything. So, that's number one. And
[30:00] number two,
[30:02] you kind of hinted without saying it
[30:03] that that it's important to create a
[30:05] life vision or a design for your life so
[30:08] that you have somewhere you're headed
[30:10] towards rather than just another day.
[30:12] And that that is what kind of will drive
[30:14] you forward even when you don't, quote,
[30:16] feel like it. And that'll help you to,
[30:18] you know, act on things even if you
[30:20] don't actually feel like that. And that
[30:22] is so important about your health. And I
[30:24] think for so many of my patients,
[30:26] they've said to me, "Dr. Hyman, I didn't
[30:27] know I was feeling so bad until I
[30:29] started feeling so good." Cuz often
[30:30] people walk around normalizing feeling
[30:32] bad.
[30:33] And sometimes it's a disease, sometimes
[30:35] it's just feeling like crap or brain fog
[30:36] or tired or gut issues or whatever it
[30:38] is. And second, you know, the
[30:40] patients have said to me they didn't
[30:42] realize how close they were to feeling
[30:43] better. Like most people are just a few
[30:45] days away from feeling better. You know,
[30:46] I've created something called the 10-day
[30:47] detox where
[30:48] >> Oh my god, I love that.
[30:49] >> Yeah, it's amazing. And people just
[30:51] actually
[30:51] >> I love that.
[30:52] >> transform their health and I think
[30:54] people don't know how close they are to
[30:56] feeling better if they just make a few
[30:57] changes. And so
[30:59] I I think your process of of helping
[31:01] people understand, you know, what their
[31:04] intention is, where they're going, and
[31:05] then moving in that direction is so key.
[31:08] And the hardest part is really to get
[31:09] started on your health. And I think, you
[31:11] know, I think, you know, healthy
[31:13] behaviors are
[31:14] things that have to become habits. And
[31:17] it's not a one-off. It's not, you know,
[31:19] it's not just doing one walk once a
[31:21] year. It's It's the little daily
[31:23] compounding interest that really makes a
[31:24] difference of what you eat, of how much
[31:27] you exercise, and how you exercise, of
[31:28] your sleep, and how you navigate stress,
[31:30] your your how you navigate your
[31:31] thoughts, the whole let them let me kind
[31:33] of theory that you have, which we'll get
[31:35] into, is so important cuz that ends so
[31:37] much unnecessary mental suffering.
[31:40] Um And and so those are really
[31:42] foundational things. So I guess I want
[31:44] to help help us understand from your
[31:46] perspective how people can start to
[31:47] really create these sustainable behavior
[31:49] changes and how knowing information
[31:51] about their body, like through
[31:53] functional health, for example, which
[31:54] you've you've done your labs, your
[31:55] husband's done your labs, you've learned
[31:56] things about your body, to help you stay
[31:58] motivated to do things. How do How do
[32:00] you start to build a life where you
[32:01] where you actually continue to stay
[32:03] motivated to do these healthy behaviors?
[32:05] >> Okay. So big question, and here's the
[32:09] way that I think about it. First of all,
[32:12] I'm just going to come clean
[32:14] and tell everybody that I am a very
[32:17] negatively motivated person. [laughter]
[32:20] Meaning, I'm typically somebody, a lot
[32:23] of people are like this, that needs
[32:25] quite a bit of pain
[32:26] before I actually get the gumption to
[32:30] change something.
[32:30] >> Yeah, yeah, wait, wait a second. I have
[32:31] I have I have a I have a theory based on
[32:33] that, which is most people don't change
[32:35] >> Talk to me.
[32:36] >> have any pain syndrome.
[32:38] Any pain is not enough pain.
[32:40] >> [laughter]
[32:41] >> So, I've used that.
[32:42] >> Yet, not enough pain. It's true. You
[32:44] have to like some of us like let's just
[32:46] be on honest. Like sometimes you have to
[32:49] get to a point where you are so sick of
[32:52] your own BS.
[32:55] And you're so sick of yourself.
[32:58] That you've had enough.
[33:00] And so I just want to for those of you
[33:03] that are listening
[33:04] that have been finding it very hard to
[33:06] find positive reasons to take better
[33:09] care of yourself.
[33:11] You can
[33:13] allow things to get worse before they
[33:16] get better.
[33:18] Or you can force yourself to start
[33:21] feeling better before they get worse.
[33:23] >> Mhm.
[33:24] >> And what I will say is there has not
[33:27] been a day
[33:30] in my entire lifetime
[33:33] where I have wanted to
[33:37] or been motivated to exercise.
[33:40] >> [laughter]
[33:40] >> Not a single
[33:43] day.
[33:43] >> So, how do you do it then?
[33:45] >> I'll tell you how I do it. Because I I
[33:47] want to just bust the world's worst myth
[33:51] that 21 days of repeating something
[33:53] makes it a habit. No, it does not.
[33:56] 21 days of repeating something is a
[33:58] streak.
[34:00] If it's a habit, it means there's
[34:02] something about it that you either now
[34:04] enjoy so that internal resistance is
[34:07] gone and you've repeated it so many
[34:09] times that you just kind of do it
[34:12] without even thinking about it. Or
[34:15] you've gotten smart like I have and you
[34:18] realize you got to outsmart yourself.
[34:21] >> Mhm.
[34:21] >> You got to set traps for the old
[34:24] unhealthy unmotivated you. And so for
[34:27] me, I focus more
[34:30] on the environment
[34:32] and setting up my physical environment
[34:36] so that I don't have a choice. And let
[34:39] me let Let
[34:40] >> It's like
[34:40] >> through that duty free shop at the
[34:41] airports. They make you They make you go
[34:43] through it,
[34:44] >> [laughter]
[34:44] >> you know.
[34:44] >> Correct. Yes, of course. Because they
[34:46] want it because what's in front of you
[34:48] is what you're going to grab for. And
[34:50] so, like this is kind of common sense.
[34:53] If you wake up in the morning you're not
[34:54] motivated to exercise, here's a couple
[34:56] hacks that your friend Mel Robbins uses
[34:59] cuz I wake up in the morning I have a
[35:01] hard enough time getting out of bed and
[35:02] I invented the damn 54321. I still use
[35:05] it 16 years later because here's the
[35:07] important thing. There are things in
[35:09] your life
[35:12] that you need to do in order to have the
[35:14] life that you want that you may never
[35:18] ever feel like doing. I'll give you an
[35:21] example. I never feel like picking up
[35:23] the dog poop in our yard.
[35:26] But I would like to be able to run
[35:27] barefoot through the yard. I make myself
[35:31] do it.
[35:32] When I open up the dishwasher and it's
[35:34] clean and that puff of smoke comes out,
[35:37] right? You know what I want to do, Mark?
[35:39] Cuz I'm a selfish jerk. I want to shove
[35:41] the door back in and run away and
[35:43] pretend I didn't see it so my husband
[35:45] has to unload it. So there are things
[35:48] that I don't like doing that I make
[35:50] myself do.
[35:52] Right? And the same is true for you as
[35:54] you're listening or watching. So you
[35:56] know how to do things you don't want to
[35:57] do. So for me, here's a couple hacks
[36:00] that I have. Because I 54321 and get out
[36:03] of bed. And one of the other traps that
[36:06] I set for myself, Mark, is I put my
[36:08] phone across the room and my alarm is on
[36:10] it.
[36:11] So when the alarm goes off, I have a
[36:12] problem.
[36:14] I have to get out of bed to turn the
[36:15] alarm off.
[36:16] I have left myself no choice. Do you see
[36:18] how this works?
[36:20] Because I can't trust myself.
[36:22] When I walk into the closet, I've set up
[36:24] the environment so I have no choice.
[36:26] I've picked out the exercise clothes and
[36:28] laid them on the floor of the closet.
[36:31] Because now they're right there, I don't
[36:33] have to think. So I pull them on. I walk
[36:37] into the kitchen and out on the counter
[36:39] is my Mason jar and my creatine and my
[36:43] protein shot. I don't even have a
[36:44] choice.
[36:46] It's right there.
[36:47] What kind of a jerk am I to myself if I
[36:49] don't do it?
[36:51] And for exercise, I always pre-pick
[36:56] what I'm going to do. Because what I
[36:59] have found about myself is that is that
[37:01] if I go to a gym either in my house or
[37:06] at a hotel and I do not have a plan, I
[37:08] will walk in, do a loop, and leave.
[37:11] I won't do anything. I'll get
[37:12] overwhelmed and that will become the
[37:14] excuse. If I am going to walk today, I
[37:17] know I'm walking today and I have an
[37:19] audio book I'm going to listen to. And
[37:20] so, these are small ways, do you see
[37:23] what I'm doing? Where I'm using the
[37:25] environment to make it easier to queue
[37:28] myself to make the healthier choice. If
[37:31] you want to eat healthier, as dumb as it
[37:33] sounds,
[37:35] make sure unhealthy stuff isn't in your
[37:36] house. Like I was just complaining to my
[37:38] husband last night, "We don't have any
[37:39] cookies in this [snorts] house." Like I
[37:41] Why have we stopped buying dessert? I
[37:43] get so mad at night.
[37:45] >> We don't have anything sweet in the
[37:46] house.
[37:47] There's no ice cream. It's very
[37:48] upsetting.
[37:49] >> [laughter]
[37:49] >> There's no ice cream. And you know, you
[37:52] you can do this within reason, but the
[37:54] reason why I'm being funny about this
[37:56] is because I think we have thought about
[38:00] like we have we have demonized ourselves
[38:04] for not having willpower
[38:07] or determination or motivation and then
[38:09] we feel bad and we beat ourselves up and
[38:12] we feel even worse and that makes it
[38:13] harder to stop because we now have all
[38:15] this evidence that every time we've
[38:17] tried it hasn't worked. And so, I just
[38:20] got sick of beating myself up and I was
[38:21] like, "If I am going to really make
[38:25] healthier choices, especially as my
[38:26] hormones are changing,
[38:28] then what could I actually do
[38:31] to make this easier and a little bit
[38:34] more fun?
[38:35] Because if it's fun
[38:37] and if it's easy,
[38:39] then you're likely to do it. Life is
[38:42] hard enough and so I'd like to invite
[38:44] you as you're listening to think about
[38:46] whatever your health goal is, how could
[38:48] you make it easier? How could you make
[38:50] it visible? How could you make it more
[38:51] fun? How could you trap the old you? And
[38:55] how could you set up the environment,
[38:57] whether it's your bedroom or it's your
[38:59] kitchen or whatever it may be, so that
[39:02] and so that your your your set up for
[39:04] success. And I kid you not,
[39:06] picking the workout the night before or
[39:09] lining up what you're going to do for
[39:11] the next 7 days, it's game-changer
[39:14] because you don't have to think.
[39:16] >> Yeah, same thing with food. Just like
[39:17] having a few meals you make that you
[39:19] have the ingredients in the house. It's
[39:20] not It's not something you have to think
[39:21] about. It's easy. It's the default
[39:23] choice is the healthy choice as opposed
[39:25] to having a kitchen full of snacks and
[39:27] ice cream and cookies.
[39:28] >> Let me ask you this, Dr. Harmon. Have
[39:30] you noticed
[39:31] that
[39:33] the more boring
[39:35] your meals are,
[39:37] it's the same things,
[39:39] same five things you're making, you know
[39:41] what works for you. I basically eat the
[39:43] same
[39:45] two breakfasts 7 days a week.
[39:48] >> Yeah, me too.
[39:49] >> And and simplifying things
[39:52] so that you can make it easy and making
[39:55] it things that you like to eat. Like
[39:57] that It just
[39:58] there's something about
[40:00] health and making it a little boring and
[40:03] routine
[40:04] that gives you better results.
[40:06] >> It's true. You What you're saying is so
[40:07] important. You want to set up your
[40:08] environment to make the default choice
[40:10] the healthy choice. And most people
[40:11] don't do that. They do the opposite and
[40:14] and and you know, so when you're when
[40:15] you sort of have to get up out of bed to
[40:17] to turn your alarm off for you, you
[40:19] know, you have your workout all set up.
[40:20] You have your clothes there. You have
[40:21] your shake and your protein shot uh
[40:24] there and your creatine. Like you're
[40:25] going to do it. And if you don't have it
[40:27] there, you're going to uh screw it. I'm
[40:28] just going to
[40:29] >> Yes. I'll get it I'll get it later. And
[40:31] you mean to get it later, but then you
[40:33] forget and then you're running late and
[40:34] then this and then that. And so I just
[40:36] find having a little grace for yourself.
[40:39] >> One of the things people don't realize
[40:40] is that is that they're just a few days
[40:42] away from feeling better. And they don't
[40:43] realize what they're walking around
[40:44] with, whether it's brain fog or joint
[40:46] pain or gut issues or you know, just
[40:48] feeling like crap is something that they
[40:50] don't have to endure and live with, that
[40:52] these are signals from the body that
[40:54] they're not neces- listening to. And I
[40:55] think what what I I want to encourage
[40:57] all of us to do is start to listen to
[40:58] those signals and realize that they're
[40:59] they're clues. They're like your car
[41:01] making noises and you got to take it to
[41:03] the mechanic. It's not normal for your
[41:05] car to make a bunch of noises and you
[41:07] got to do something about it. And I
[41:08] think in the same way, and it's part of
[41:10] why I co-founded Function Health was to
[41:12] help people be empowered with their own
[41:13] health data to learn about what's going
[41:15] on and start to look and actually find
[41:17] solvable problems. Like you you know you
[41:19] mentioned your your husband when we were
[41:20] chatting earlier, you know, he found
[41:21] something on his results that he didn't
[41:23] know that is probably significantly
[41:24] affecting his health, his aging, his his
[41:26] motivation, his cognitive function, his
[41:28] energy, his sexual function, all of
[41:30] this.
[41:30] >> Yeah, he had low testosterone.
[41:31] >> Yeah. And that's something that, you
[41:32] know, you wouldn't know unless you Oh,
[41:34] I'm just kind of not so motivated. I
[41:35] feel a little depressed. I like I don't
[41:38] I'm not as sexually, you know, desirous
[41:40] as I was or whatever the thing is, you
[41:42] just normalize these things that are not
[41:43] normal. And I I can tell you like I like
[41:46] I'm 60 almost 67. Like I feel better
[41:48] than I've ever felt and, you know, I
[41:50] maybe when I was 25 I felt good.
[41:52] But I'm like after medical school,
[41:54] residency, working, it's like this is
[41:56] it's incredible to see how the body can
[41:58] respond. And you mentioned you know
[41:59] whether you're 90 and start picking up
[42:01] tomato cans, the body wants to be
[42:03] healthy. It's it's a it's a sort of it's
[42:05] default desire and you know, your body
[42:09] having symptoms is your body's way of
[42:11] getting your attention and and telling
[42:14] you that something's off that you have
[42:15] to address. And I think that's that's
[42:16] important. And I think what you're
[42:17] talking about is some of the ways that
[42:19] people can start to
[42:20] you know, begin to set up their
[42:22] environment, their life, and their
[42:23] intention of what they want to be, how
[42:25] they want to feel, what they want to do,
[42:26] what they want to do the rest of your
[42:27] life. It's really important and I think
[42:29] a lot of people walk around losing that
[42:30] that energy, motivation, vitality, but
[42:33] it's really available. And I I know that
[42:35] as a doctor, I know that for myself.
[42:37] It's just It's just so many people don't
[42:38] have that understanding and they think
[42:40] it's them, they blame themselves, they
[42:41] have deprecating self-talk, and they're
[42:44] or they compare themselves to others and
[42:45] they go why they're doing I I don't know
[42:47] why I can't why I'm overweight, why I'm
[42:48] tired, why I'm this, why I'm that. And I
[42:50] think, you know, you're you're you
[42:52] really help people engage with the the
[42:54] the part of themselves that that little
[42:57] part of themselves that actually wants
[42:59] to have a better life. That's kind of
[43:00] all like by some of your work, it's like
[43:02] you're you're getting people excited cuz
[43:04] everybody wants to have a little better
[43:06] life, a little better health, a little
[43:07] better relationships, a little better
[43:09] you know, career, motivation to do what
[43:11] they want in the world. And that's
[43:12] really
[43:13] you know, that's a real gift. And and I
[43:15] think your your work is so much about
[43:17] that and I I just really acknowledge
[43:19] that for you because it's it's not easy,
[43:21] but it you know, you're you're kind of
[43:22] pointing the way for people and giving
[43:24] them that opportunity to rethink how
[43:26] they live the next part of their life
[43:27] and how they age and and how they live
[43:30] like a longer not just longer life, but
[43:32] a better life. This summer I enjoyed one
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[43:53] cells, which is why I pay close
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[45:20] >> You know, I think it's easy in life to
[45:23] find yourself in sort of a downward
[45:25] spiral. And what I like that you keep
[45:28] saying, Dr. Hyman, is you're just a few
[45:30] days away from feeling better. And I can
[45:32] actually prove that statement to you.
[45:35] Because if you've ever been dragged on a
[45:37] walk
[45:38] after dinner
[45:40] or if you've ever forced yourself out
[45:43] the door
[45:44] for a walk in the morning, or maybe you
[45:46] have a dog, so you didn't have a choice.
[45:48] You got to go out for a walk because,
[45:49] you know, you don't want to You don't
[45:51] You don't care enough about yourself
[45:53] right now, but you do care about your
[45:54] dog. And so, you get up. When you're
[45:56] done with a 10-minute walk
[45:59] you actually do feel better.
[46:00] >> Mhm.
[46:01] >> And that right there is evidence of a
[46:03] singular choice
[46:06] that had a material
[46:08] felt impact on your energy
[46:12] on your thinking
[46:13] on your mood.
[46:15] And if it's true about a 10-minute walk
[46:19] I want you to really embrace what Dr.
[46:21] Hyman's saying and what I'm telling you
[46:24] which is you can also create an upward
[46:29] spiral
[46:30] by the small choices that you make, the
[46:33] things that you remove from your life,
[46:35] whether that's people or certain foods,
[46:37] or certain sort of substances, the
[46:41] things you add in, whether it's a little
[46:42] bit more time with friends, a little
[46:44] bit, you know, more physical movement.
[46:47] And if you're doing things and you're
[46:50] not seeing a result I think that's when
[46:53] you kind of turn to the experts, and you
[46:56] ask yourself, okay, what am I missing
[46:58] here? And you know, I can share a story
[47:00] because I remember when I was starting
[47:02] to hit my late 40s and
[47:05] the I I've always been active even
[47:08] though I don't feel motivated to do so.
[47:10] I I think in my 20s and 30s I was driven
[47:13] by wanting to be thin and by vanity and
[47:17] it wasn't until my 40s that I started to
[47:19] really become more educated about just
[47:23] my mood and my physical health and
[47:25] wanting to live live a long and healthy
[47:27] life. So my motivation started to
[47:28] change. But after years of running,
[47:31] hiking, Pilates, yoga
[47:34] all of a sudden like I'm like, where is
[47:37] this flesh fanny pack coming from? Why
[47:40] is it that I haven't changed anything
[47:43] and I've got meat wings hanging down
[47:45] from my arms? What the hell is going on
[47:49] with my body? Yes, I'd get so mad
[47:52] because my husband and I would do these
[47:53] cleanses or we'd take on these physical
[47:55] challenges or whatever and he would come
[47:58] out of them looking like a ripped Adonis
[48:00] with a six-pack and I'd be still
[48:02] standing there feeling like very puffy
[48:04] and fluffy.
[48:05] And it wasn't until I started to
[48:07] understand, wait a minute
[48:10] there's something going on inside me and
[48:12] that something is what happens to every
[48:14] woman which is as my hormones have
[48:17] basically
[48:20] changed. I mean, you basically go
[48:22] through a a hormonal castration when you
[48:26] go through uh menopause and
[48:28] perimenopause and you have no more
[48:30] estrogen left in a body that has been
[48:33] thriving on estrogen your entire life of
[48:37] course everything is going to go into
[48:39] disarray and it's
[48:41] when you start to understand it's not
[48:43] you
[48:44] there's something going on inside of you
[48:48] that is trying to tell you something.
[48:52] That's when like one of the reasons why
[48:55] it's so important to understand what's
[48:57] going on with your health changes or
[48:59] whatever may be going on internally is
[49:01] because when you have the information,
[49:03] you can make smarter decisions. Like I
[49:07] was not a weight lifter until I
[49:08] understood that it's critical for women
[49:11] in menopause to be lifting weights. It's
[49:14] critical for longevity. And it wasn't
[49:17] until I got on to HRT and I started
[49:20] prioritizing protein because all the
[49:22] experts are just you know, telling us
[49:24] you've got to have more complete
[49:25] protein. You got to have more complete
[49:27] protein. And I also stopped
[49:30] with the cardio and started really
[49:33] focusing on resistance training that
[49:36] absolutely everything changed.
[49:38] Because I knew what I was dealing with.
[49:40] And so part of what's exciting about
[49:42] living in the world today is you do not
[49:44] have to suffer
[49:47] in isolation. You do not have to suffer
[49:51] without knowledge. There is so much
[49:54] information available to you in today's
[49:58] world that if you do want to feel
[50:01] better, if you do want to be stronger,
[50:03] if you do want more energy, if you have
[50:06] symptoms that you don't like living
[50:08] with,
[50:09] I guarantee you with a little bit of
[50:11] research, you can absolutely figure out
[50:14] what the cause might be and you can do
[50:16] something about it and you deserve that.
[50:19] >> I mean, I think people need to
[50:20] understand that I'm a I'm a doctor and I
[50:21] have training in medicine and I treat
[50:23] patients. But at the end of the day,
[50:25] everybody's health is something they're
[50:27] accountable for and they have to take
[50:28] charge of. They have to be the CEO of
[50:29] their own health and they have to
[50:31] realize they have agency over their
[50:32] health and don't have to rely on the
[50:34] health care system cuz it's not a health
[50:35] care system, it's a disease care system.
[50:37] It's fine if you have some serious thing
[50:39] or an acute illness where you need
[50:40] surgery like I did. But for creating
[50:42] health, we don't know how to do that.
[50:44] Doctors don't take a course in medical
[50:45] school called creating health 101. We
[50:47] have no clue. If you go to your doctor
[50:49] say, "I want to really improve and
[50:50] optimize my health." They're like,
[50:51] "Okay, eat better, exercise more." Like
[50:52] that's not really helpful advice. And so
[50:55] that's really why things like functional
[50:56] health are so powerful because they
[50:58] empower people with their data, with
[50:59] understanding, with information and it's
[51:01] it's really where the era we're in is is
[51:03] really exciting. I want to talk about a
[51:05] different part of health. We've talked
[51:07] about physical health and what what what
[51:09] causes resistance to it and and how we
[51:12] motivate ourselves, how we can structure
[51:13] environments and how actually we can
[51:16] change at any age and we can get better.
[51:18] But there's another piece which is our
[51:20] mental health and a lot of suffering um
[51:24] let's call them mental symptoms
[51:26] >> [laughter]
[51:27] >> uh come from how we relate to our
[51:30] experience, how we relate to people, how
[51:31] we relate to other
[51:33] people, how we relate to ourselves and
[51:35] and you wrote a book called the let them
[51:37] theory which sold a stupid amount of
[51:39] number of books. It's an
[51:41] incredible how I know it's like in a
[51:43] million languages already and it it lays
[51:45] out a like concepts that are are
[51:47] somewhat familiar to me related to
[51:49] Buddhism and non-attachment and stoicism
[51:51] and other other areas that that these
[51:53] are universal concepts, but you've kind
[51:56] of refreshed it into the modern world
[51:57] that gives people access to it. And and
[52:00] this whole idea is that a suffering
[52:01] comes from trying to change people
[52:04] and they don't want to change and we
[52:06] cause suffering. I I had this experience
[52:08] with people in my family like we all do
[52:10] and I want to you just do this and
[52:12] >> why we have families.
[52:14] >> [laughter]
[52:14] >> You know that Dr. Hyman? We have
[52:16] families because they teach you how to
[52:18] love people you [snorts] hate sometimes.
[52:20] >> I don't really hate my family, but I get
[52:21] it and I think that that um
[52:24] tell us how you kind of
[52:26] up with this why it's so important for
[52:28] people to reset
[52:30] their perceptions and their experiences
[52:32] and their beliefs around other people
[52:34] and themselves and it's not just the let
[52:37] them theory, it's also the let me theory
[52:39] which people often don't highlight in
[52:41] your work, but I think it's important we
[52:43] discuss that because they're they're two
[52:45] sides of an important coin and one
[52:47] without the other it doesn't actually
[52:48] work. So, walk us through what it is and
[52:51] why it's important and how it can help
[52:53] us
[52:54] end our mental suffering. You know, what
[52:55] what does Bob Marley say? And only our
[52:58] what is it? None but ourselves can free
[52:59] our mind.
[53:00] You know, end our mental slavery
[53:01] something like that. [laughter]
[53:03] It's like that's what we need to do.
[53:04] >> So, um the let them theory is a very,
[53:09] very simple way to have more control,
[53:13] power, and peace in your life.
[53:16] And you are correct.
[53:18] One of the most
[53:20] you are correct when you say there's
[53:23] lots in this book that feels familiar.
[53:25] It feels like Buddhism. It feels like
[53:27] radical acceptance. It feels like
[53:29] stoicism. It feels like the Serenity
[53:32] Prayer. It feels like things that I have
[53:34] heard at the kitchen table.
[53:37] And what I have done in creating the let
[53:39] them theory is I have boiled stoicism
[53:42] down to four words.
[53:44] And the first part of the theory
[53:47] teaches you
[53:48] how to stop
[53:50] trying to control things you cannot
[53:53] control.
[53:54] Because any psychologist and medical
[53:56] doctor will tell you that the fastest
[53:59] way to stress yourself out and cause
[54:01] chronic inflammation and probably IBS
[54:04] and everything else
[54:06] is to con- attempt to control things you
[54:10] will never be able to control.
[54:12] And so here's how you use it, okay?
[54:16] You, in any moment at any
[54:20] point in the day, when you feel yourself
[54:22] starting to get pissed off, frustrated,
[54:25] annoyed, upset, worried, bothered,
[54:28] anything,
[54:30] just say let them.
[54:32] And let them is a boundary. Let
[54:35] Let them is you
[54:37] reminding yourself
[54:40] I can't control traffic.
[54:42] Let them.
[54:43] I can't control whether or not Austin is
[54:46] doing construction on a Monday morning.
[54:48] These freaking idiots. Why would they be
[54:50] doing construction right Let them.
[54:53] Because if I can't control what's
[54:55] happening, why
[54:57] would I allow it
[54:59] to steal my energy and my peace and my
[55:02] attention right now? If somebody is
[55:05] being rude, let them. If somebody is
[55:07] talking behind your back, let them. If
[55:09] somebody misunderstands you, let them.
[55:12] Now, here's what's important. When you
[55:13] say let them, particularly when somebody
[55:16] is disrespecting you, you're not
[55:18] allowing
[55:19] anyone to do anything.
[55:22] When you say let them, you're forcing
[55:24] yourself to recognize that this idiot
[55:27] and their like disrespect is not
[55:30] something I can control.
[55:32] The best thing I can do is to put up a
[55:34] boundary and remind myself, I can't
[55:37] control this person that's yelling at me
[55:39] right now in a retail store, so I'm just
[55:41] going to say let them. Because I refuse
[55:44] to allow their negativity into my mind
[55:46] or body. Then you say the second part,
[55:48] let me.
[55:49] Let me remind myself in every moment
[55:52] that what is in my control is how I
[55:54] respond to this. This is Victor Frankl's
[55:56] Man's Search for Meaning, central thesis
[55:58] of the book.
[56:00] It's what you do in response to life
[56:04] that determines your experience of life.
[56:07] And there's a lot of things that are
[56:08] going on in the world that are unfair.
[56:11] There's a lot of people running around
[56:12] doing very disrespectful and awful
[56:15] things.
[56:16] And your job is not to control it, it's
[56:19] to recognize in
[56:21] day-to-day moments what's in my control
[56:23] and what is not in my control. And focus
[56:26] your energy on what's in your control.
[56:28] And what's in your control at all times
[56:30] is you.
[56:32] How you respond, what you say, what you
[56:34] do or don't do, and what you do in
[56:37] response to the feelings that rise up
[56:39] inside you.
[56:41] And what I love about it, and the reason
[56:43] why it has spread around the world, 11
[56:46] million books sold in 19 months, 67
[56:51] languages. It is the single most
[56:53] successful non-fiction book launch in
[56:55] history. You know, that doesn't happen
[56:57] because of a marketing campaign.
[56:59] That happens because people read it and
[57:02] they can apply it in their lives, and
[57:05] then they recommend it. And what I love
[57:06] about this, and this is another big
[57:08] mistake that people make with it, is
[57:10] people love saying let them cuz it
[57:11] rhymes with F them. And you know, you
[57:13] kind of like let them, you know, let my
[57:15] sister not help with my mom. Let my
[57:17] doctor not call me back. Let my boss be
[57:20] a jerk and I
[57:21] But what happens is the more you say let
[57:23] them, let them, let them, the more
[57:25] you're kind of left with yourself.
[57:27] And it's the second part where you say,
[57:30] well, let me. Let me remind myself that
[57:33] my the kind of relationship that I want
[57:36] with my siblings dependent on me, not
[57:37] them. And if I recognize that my boss
[57:41] keeps
[57:42] like not promoting me.
[57:46] It's not my boss's job to actually
[57:49] promote me. It's my job to recognize the
[57:52] situation I'm in and leave it because I
[57:56] have the power. You're not stuck in any
[57:57] conversation, you're not stuck in any
[57:59] job, you're not stuck in any
[58:00] relationship.
[58:02] But we spend so much energy, Mark,
[58:04] focused on everybody else
[58:07] >> that we miss where the power is. The
[58:10] power is not in changing other people,
[58:12] the power is in changing yourself.
[58:14] Because when you change how you show up,
[58:16] you change how much time you pour into
[58:18] something. You change
[58:20] uh how much access people have to you.
[58:22] You change the compassion that you bring
[58:25] to situations.
[58:27] Your change changes everything. And what
[58:30] I love the most about this is that, you
[58:32] know, for me personally,
[58:34] I wrote the book with our oldest uh
[58:37] child uh our our daughter named Sawyer,
[58:40] who's 27 years old. And you know, every
[58:42] one of us has a relationship in our life
[58:44] where you have somebody that you love
[58:46] and you just wish you could be closer.
[58:48] >> Yeah.
[58:48] >> And for whatever reason, you just
[58:51] >> miss each other.
[58:52] >> Yeah, to miss each other and you
[58:53] frustrate each other and you can't
[58:55] understand why can't it be easier?
[58:57] And we wrote this book together and we
[59:00] pissed each other off all the time cuz
[59:01] we were we were we're very, very
[59:03] different. And we would literally say
[59:05] let her, let her, let her, let me, let
[59:06] me, let me all day long as we're working
[59:09] together. And what what happened was
[59:11] very interesting.
[59:13] When you say let them,
[59:15] you're not only creating a boundary and
[59:18] reminding yourself I can't control this
[59:20] other person. I can't control their
[59:21] happiness. I can't control their mood. I
[59:24] can't control like what they're going to
[59:26] say next. I just need to let them be who
[59:30] they are and be who they are not. Not
[59:31] control them. Not change them. You're
[59:34] actually operating with acceptance.
[59:36] And you're stopping yourself from
[59:39] crossing a line and trying to change a
[59:41] person in your life. And the other
[59:43] person starts to feel it.
[59:45] You create this space where somebody can
[59:47] be as they are
[59:49] and they can be as they're not without
[59:52] you reacting and trying to change them.
[59:55] And what I noticed and what my daughter
[59:56] noticed is the more that we said let her
[59:59] and then let me take responsibility for
[1:00:01] just kind of how I'm going to show up
[1:00:03] right now.
[1:00:04] The closer we became.
[1:00:06] We stopped judging each other. We
[1:00:08] stopped criticizing each other. We
[1:00:10] stopped trying to change each other. We
[1:00:12] stopped wishing each other were
[1:00:14] different. And we both learned how to
[1:00:16] see each other exactly as we are and
[1:00:19] exactly as we aren't.
[1:00:21] Now we still piss each other off.
[1:00:23] But there's this deep deep
[1:00:27] sense of acceptance and connection
[1:00:30] versus what I think a lot of us are
[1:00:32] doing in relationships or at least I'll
[1:00:34] speak for myself is trying to change
[1:00:36] everybody to be the way I want them to
[1:00:38] be.
[1:00:39] Versus learning how to accept and love
[1:00:41] people as they are and just change the
[1:00:44] way I'm showing up so that it works
[1:00:46] better.
[1:00:47] >> Yeah, and the let me part is important
[1:00:48] cuz unless you decide what you're going
[1:00:49] to do, what you're going to allow,
[1:00:50] you're going to communicate, what you're
[1:00:52] going to change, your boundaries, like
[1:00:54] you you basically get to take care of
[1:00:56] yourself and not stop worrying about
[1:00:58] taking care of them, which never works.
[1:01:01] >> [laughter]
[1:01:02] >> Yeah, well and this is part of it is
[1:01:04] that you know, if you've if you're if
[1:01:05] you're holding onto the handle of a
[1:01:07] locked door and you're like, "Why is
[1:01:10] this not opening?" And you're like
[1:01:12] putting all this effort into like
[1:01:13] getting the door to open.
[1:01:16] You can't reach for the open door until
[1:01:19] you let go of the thing that's not
[1:01:20] working.
[1:01:22] And so, this is also important because
[1:01:24] the let them part
[1:01:26] is when you cue yourself to stop doing
[1:01:28] what you always do. Stop trying to
[1:01:30] change them. Stop trying to force them
[1:01:32] to lose weight. Stop trying to make them
[1:01:34] take their medication. Stop trying to
[1:01:36] get them to the doctor. Yes, you're
[1:01:37] doing it because you love them.
[1:01:39] But when you push somebody, you're not
[1:01:41] motivating them. You're actually
[1:01:43] activating somebody's need to feel in
[1:01:46] control of themselves. This is why your
[1:01:48] spouse is resisting your pressure to
[1:01:49] lose weight, your pressure to go to the
[1:01:51] doctor, your pressure to take
[1:01:53] testosterone in my case cuz I'm like,
[1:01:54] "Chris, you have low T. You better take
[1:01:56] some testosterone." That was the one
[1:01:59] most effective way in the world to make
[1:02:01] him not want to take it.
[1:02:03] It's telling him to do it.
[1:02:04] Letting him have the dignity of his own
[1:02:08] experience.
[1:02:09] Letting him
[1:02:11] know that I was worried about him and I
[1:02:12] want him to feel better and that I was
[1:02:15] hoping that he would speak to some
[1:02:16] medical professionals about it gives him
[1:02:19] the space to be in control
[1:02:23] of changing on his timeline.
[1:02:27] And that's the most influential way to
[1:02:30] actually influence somebody else to
[1:02:33] change. It's to stop bitching about it,
[1:02:35] to stop pushing them to do things, to
[1:02:38] stop making the, "You know, if you ate a
[1:02:39] little salad, you know, maybe if you
[1:02:41] parked the car a little further away at
[1:02:43] the grocery store and got your steps
[1:02:45] in."
[1:02:45] That's not support.
[1:02:48] That's actually criticism.
[1:02:50] And what you're doing is you're you're
[1:02:52] forcing the other person to wall
[1:02:54] themselves off from you and to avoid the
[1:02:56] changes they probably know they need to
[1:02:58] make
[1:02:59] because they don't want to hear those
[1:03:00] words, "See, I told you."
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[1:04:41] And you get to decide what you want to
[1:04:43] be in relationship with them, how you
[1:04:44] want to be in relationship with them,
[1:04:45] whether you want to be in relationship
[1:04:46] with them. Like you get to choose for
[1:04:48] yourself cuz it
[1:04:49] sometimes relationships need to end or
[1:04:51] sometimes, you know, you need to just
[1:04:53] shift your expectations. And I'm so
[1:04:55] curious though like if as you've thought
[1:04:56] about this a lot, then the question that
[1:04:59] comes up for me is
[1:05:00] why are humans wired the other way? Like
[1:05:02] it seems like it's not a like a
[1:05:05] it's not an unusual problem. Like
[1:05:06] obviously 11 million people bought the
[1:05:08] book. And
[1:05:09] that's historic. And so you've hit on
[1:05:11] something.
[1:05:12] >> an answer for you.
[1:05:13] >> You do?
[1:05:13] >> I I wondered about the same thing. Yeah,
[1:05:15] I I I write about this in the book. I I
[1:05:18] wondered about the same thing. Why
[1:05:20] is it that we're all actually working in
[1:05:23] the exact opposite way
[1:05:26] of the fundamental laws of human
[1:05:28] relationships?
[1:05:30] And it comes down, ironically, because I
[1:05:32] the Let Them theory is really about
[1:05:34] control.
[1:05:35] What can you control and what can you
[1:05:37] not control?
[1:05:38] And and it teaches you how to focus on
[1:05:40] what's in your control, which is where
[1:05:42] your power and your peace and your
[1:05:43] influence is.
[1:05:45] The reason why we get this wrong, and I
[1:05:47] got it wrong for the first 54 years of
[1:05:49] my life,
[1:05:51] is that
[1:05:52] every one of us
[1:05:54] has a fundamental
[1:05:57] survival instinct that is tied to being
[1:06:00] in control
[1:06:02] of everything.
[1:06:03] Because when
[1:06:05] you feel out of control,
[1:06:09] it immediately
[1:06:10] makes you feel like something's wrong,
[1:06:14] whether the traffic is backing up. Now,
[1:06:17] you're going to be late for your
[1:06:18] interview. That causes a flood of
[1:06:20] anxiety because you can't control the
[1:06:23] fact that there's something where you
[1:06:25] need to be, right? When your spouse
[1:06:28] is drinking too much,
[1:06:31] their behavior
[1:06:33] is making you feel out of control
[1:06:37] because their behavior makes you worry
[1:06:40] about them and their health and what's
[1:06:43] going to happen and your future and what
[1:06:45] people may think and so
[1:06:47] the reason why we try to control
[1:06:50] everyone and everything around us
[1:06:53] is because in life everything going on
[1:06:58] has some impact on you.
[1:07:00] And when somebody else's behavior,
[1:07:01] whether it's one of your kids who
[1:07:03] worries you,
[1:07:04] cuz they're not doing well in school, so
[1:07:06] then what do you do? You step across the
[1:07:07] line, you try to push them to get
[1:07:09] grades, you take away their phone,
[1:07:11] you're now trying to control another
[1:07:13] person
[1:07:14] because their behavior worries you and
[1:07:17] it triggered this need for you to feel
[1:07:19] okay.
[1:07:21] The thing that I want everyone to
[1:07:23] understand, and this is the kind of big
[1:07:24] epiphany for me is worrying about other
[1:07:27] people is a beautiful thing. Of course
[1:07:29] you want people to be healthy. Of course
[1:07:30] you want people to do well and to
[1:07:32] thrive.
[1:07:33] It's how you're going about influencing
[1:07:37] other people and doing it that's
[1:07:38] backfiring.
[1:07:40] Controlling other people just pushes
[1:07:43] them away from you.
[1:07:44] >> So how do you like then help them
[1:07:46] without helping them? How do you It's
[1:07:48] cuz it's a paradox.
[1:07:50] >> I turned it too. There's 57
[1:07:53] world-renowned scientists and
[1:07:54] researchers that are cited in this book.
[1:07:57] And that I interviewed for this book and
[1:08:01] that have appeared on the podcast. And
[1:08:04] when it comes to how you influence
[1:08:06] people
[1:08:08] in a way that works with the
[1:08:09] neuroscience of human beings and it
[1:08:12] actually gives people the autonomy to
[1:08:15] believe that it's their idea. You win.
[1:08:19] Because while you can never change
[1:08:21] another person cuz people only change
[1:08:24] when they're ready to change for
[1:08:26] themselves. They're not changing for
[1:08:27] you.
[1:08:28] People are only going to change when
[1:08:30] they're ready to do the very hard work
[1:08:31] that we've talked about to change for
[1:08:33] themselves. No matter worrying, pushing,
[1:08:35] bribing, pressuring is going to work. If
[1:08:38] anything it backfires.
[1:08:40] So while you can't force someone else to
[1:08:43] change
[1:08:45] I never said you couldn't influence
[1:08:46] change. And for that formula we turn to
[1:08:50] Dr. Tali Sharot who is a professor at
[1:08:53] King's College and also at MIT. She
[1:08:55] studies the science of influence. And
[1:08:59] basically there's this model called ABC
[1:09:03] that I made up using her research to
[1:09:05] help you remember this. The first thing
[1:09:08] you're going to do is you got to do the
[1:09:10] A part. A is apologize.
[1:09:13] B is back off.
[1:09:16] And C is compliment
[1:09:20] any behavior you see that's moving in
[1:09:22] the right direction.
[1:09:23] >> Like positive reinforcement, yeah.
[1:09:25] >> Yeah, so the so the reason why you want
[1:09:27] to apologize is you have no idea how
[1:09:29] annoying you've been. You have no idea
[1:09:31] how rude your comments have been. You
[1:09:33] have no idea like particularly let's say
[1:09:35] you've got somebody in your life who
[1:09:36] needs to lose weight. They know about
[1:09:38] GLP-1s. They're not an idiot.
[1:09:40] They know that sitting on the couch
[1:09:42] versus going for a walk is probably not
[1:09:44] the right thing.
[1:09:46] The only person that's harder on this
[1:09:47] person that you love about their weight
[1:09:50] than you is them. They beat themselves
[1:09:52] up all day long.
[1:09:54] And so you want to start by apologizing,
[1:09:57] whether it's to your kid who you've been
[1:09:58] pressuring to study more.
[1:10:00] They they they know that they're not
[1:10:02] doing well in school.
[1:10:03] They know that playing video games
[1:10:05] versus studying is not like going to
[1:10:07] help them get better grades. Do you want
[1:10:09] to know why they're playing video games?
[1:10:10] They're good at it.
[1:10:11] And when they sit down and stare at the
[1:10:12] books, they think they're bad at it.
[1:10:14] That's why they're avoiding it. And then
[1:10:16] you come up like, you know, a storm
[1:10:17] trooper and yell at them. Do you think
[1:10:19] that's helping?
[1:10:20] No.
[1:10:21] So you apologize. Hey, I just want to
[1:10:23] say I'm really sorry. I've been thinking
[1:10:24] a lot about the way I've been hounding
[1:10:27] you.
[1:10:27] And it can't feel good.
[1:10:29] And I'm really sorry about that. I care
[1:10:31] about you deeply and you know, you have
[1:10:33] my word. I'm not going to bring it up
[1:10:35] again. I'm here. I love you. If you ever
[1:10:37] need my support, you just let me know,
[1:10:38] but you know,
[1:10:40] what do you like I I'm here to help.
[1:10:42] Whatever you need. You can ask
[1:10:43] open-ended questions. How do you feel
[1:10:45] about this? You know, I haven't even
[1:10:46] asked you.
[1:10:47] I've been dragging you to the I've never
[1:10:49] asked you, how are you feeling about
[1:10:50] your weight?
[1:10:52] Mhm.
[1:10:53] And it doesn't even matter what they
[1:10:55] say, Dr. Hyman, because what the
[1:10:57] research shows is simply asking an
[1:10:59] open-ended question
[1:11:01] stirs up the internal conflict they
[1:11:03] silently deal with all day long.
[1:11:05] >> Being curious.
[1:11:06] >> Yes, it's it's it's not even
[1:11:09] that they don't want it. It's that
[1:11:11] they've convinced themselves it's not
[1:11:12] possible.
[1:11:15] Then you back off. Like literally, this
[1:11:17] is the let them part.
[1:11:19] You have to say let them let them let
[1:11:20] them to stop you from saying anything.
[1:11:24] And while they're
[1:11:26] just living their life and you're not
[1:11:28] saying anything, you also want to just
[1:11:31] be doing whatever it is you think they
[1:11:33] should be doing.
[1:11:35] And don't ask them to participate, just
[1:11:37] model the change you want to see, and
[1:11:39] then the third thing is is eventually
[1:11:42] eventually you're going to see somebody
[1:11:43] get up and make a walk and or take a
[1:11:45] walk and instead of being like, "See oh
[1:11:47] see how easy that was?" No, just be
[1:11:48] like, "Oh my god, you look so cute when
[1:11:50] your cheeks are red. I love you, honey."
[1:11:53] >> [laughter]
[1:11:53] >> Positive reinforcement.
[1:11:54] >> Yeah, compliments.
[1:11:55] >> That's it. That That's That's all you
[1:11:57] got. That's all you've got. When you
[1:12:00] give somebody the space to sit with
[1:12:02] themself,
[1:12:04] they're now having to deal with their
[1:12:06] internal resistance.
[1:12:08] When you're pressuring somebody to
[1:12:10] change, you're the resistance that they
[1:12:13] push against.
[1:12:13] >> So true. And so this is like important
[1:12:15] kind of combo package around into your
[1:12:17] health and your mental health cuz
[1:12:19] you know, if people don't don't figure
[1:12:22] this out in life and they constantly are
[1:12:24] fighting reality, it's going to cause a
[1:12:26] lot of suffering,
[1:12:28] a lot of stress, and a lot of mental
[1:12:29] anguish. And it it that also affects
[1:12:32] your health. So this is a kind of a I'd
[1:12:33] say a combo package for living well,
[1:12:36] feeling good, and actually
[1:12:38] having a fulfilled life. And it's it's
[1:12:40] beautiful how you crystallize it all and
[1:12:41] I I so appreciate how you have taken,
[1:12:44] you know, the world's scientists,
[1:12:45] distill their work, and kind of made
[1:12:47] something accessible for people to kind
[1:12:49] of distill down into the nuggets that
[1:12:51] really are follow are able to follow and
[1:12:54] are actionable. And you know, it's kind
[1:12:56] of like for your own life and I'm
[1:12:57] curious about you, Mel, how you're
[1:12:58] thinking about the next part of your
[1:13:00] life. You know, you you kind of had this
[1:13:02] this trajectory where you know, you
[1:13:03] struggled, you're bankrupt, you're you
[1:13:05] know, you were you kind of were drinking
[1:13:07] a lot, you were kind of a mess, and then
[1:13:09] you've kind of transformed out of that
[1:13:11] into this into this life where you're
[1:13:13] having such a positive impact on people.
[1:13:15] And so and you're you've figured out
[1:13:17] your health journey, you you you've done
[1:13:19] functional health, you've got other
[1:13:20] stuff, you've figured out how how you
[1:13:21] balance your menopausal issues that, you
[1:13:23] know, often derail women.
[1:13:25] And and I'm wondering how you imagine
[1:13:28] this next 20 years and living into your,
[1:13:30] you know, 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s and and and
[1:13:34] how you how you dream for yourself.
[1:13:35] >> First of all, go back to the very first
[1:13:37] thing I said, which is you got to ask
[1:13:39] yourself, what do you want? And when it
[1:13:40] comes to my health um the next 30, 40,
[1:13:44] 50 years, you know, I'm going to be 58
[1:13:46] in a week.
[1:13:46] >> That's just a baby.
[1:13:48] >> [laughter]
[1:13:48] >> I just a baby. Um I really want to live
[1:13:53] a long and vibrant life. I was just at
[1:13:56] my niece's wedding and I was watching my
[1:14:00] husband's mom, who's 89, boogying down
[1:14:03] on the dance floor with all of her
[1:14:04] grandkids and I thought, that's going to
[1:14:06] be me at 89.
[1:14:08] And so I have a very clear vision of a
[1:14:11] very active
[1:14:13] lifestyle, a very strong lifestyle. And
[1:14:16] you know, it's no accident that my
[1:14:17] mother-in-law is like that because for
[1:14:19] the 30-plus years I've known her, she
[1:14:21] walks 5 miles a day
[1:14:23] and 20 years ago started adding in two
[1:14:26] days of resistance training. I mean, the
[1:14:27] woman has biceps at 89. So this stuff
[1:14:32] works. Like that's the thing that a
[1:14:34] normal person like me doesn't want to
[1:14:36] doesn't want to really grasp. You
[1:14:39] actually can feel better if you
[1:14:40] prioritize sleep,
[1:14:43] if you make time for friends,
[1:14:45] if you do some resistance training and
[1:14:47] move your body,
[1:14:48] if you recognize that
[1:14:51] there's no amount of exercise that can
[1:14:53] outdo a crappy diet, that you have to
[1:14:56] like think about the fuel and for me
[1:14:57] that meant a ton more protein, which is
[1:15:00] why I got involved as a co-founder of
[1:15:02] Pure Genius Protein.
[1:15:04] And that's kind of it. Like that like
[1:15:07] it's the stuff is simple. The pillars
[1:15:09] are very very simple.
[1:15:12] And so for me, I am really focused on
[1:15:16] taking care of myself and the source of
[1:15:19] motivation that's personal is
[1:15:21] I want not just a long life, I want a
[1:15:25] lot of life in those years.
[1:15:28] And that's on me. And I want to be
[1:15:30] strong and I want to be mobile and that
[1:15:32] means what I'm doing now in my late 50s
[1:15:34] matters tremendously for how I want to
[1:15:36] feel in my 80s and 90s if I'm lucky
[1:15:38] enough to live that long. Um, I think
[1:15:41] the other big thing about me that I
[1:15:43] don't think a lot of people probably
[1:15:45] from the outside understand is that
[1:15:48] you know, when you have this kind of
[1:15:49] level of extraordinary success. I mean,
[1:15:51] third largest podcast in the world, this
[1:15:53] extraordinary success with the Let Them
[1:15:55] Theory, you have 40 million people that
[1:15:57] follow you online, and your work
[1:16:00] truly is encouraging and empowering
[1:16:02] people
[1:16:04] to
[1:16:06] make changes that improve the quality of
[1:16:08] their lives. And I know this because I
[1:16:10] read the avalanche of inbound messages
[1:16:13] that come in from all over the world
[1:16:14] every single day. It's the thing that
[1:16:17] really motivates me. And it motivates me
[1:16:20] because when I was 41 and couldn't get
[1:16:22] out of bed, I thought I was the only
[1:16:24] loser that had screwed up her life.
[1:16:26] I thought there was no way that I could
[1:16:28] fix these problems. There's no way I
[1:16:30] could get out of debt. And there were no
[1:16:32] podcasts. You wouldn't be caught dead
[1:16:34] walking into a self-help aisle. Like, I
[1:16:37] couldn't afford a therapist. Hell, I
[1:16:38] couldn't pay my mortgage. Like, and
[1:16:40] nobody went to a therapist 16 years ago.
[1:16:43] And so, I suffered alone.
[1:16:46] And for me, knowing that in some small
[1:16:51] or large way
[1:16:53] either the episodes we're putting out or
[1:16:55] the books that I write or the short-form
[1:16:59] content we put on social media is truly
[1:17:01] spreading around the world like little
[1:17:04] drops of light.
[1:17:06] And it is awakening the light inside
[1:17:10] each and every one of us, this power
[1:17:12] that we have to flip a switch in our
[1:17:14] health, in our mindset, in our attitude,
[1:17:17] and our goals
[1:17:18] to take control of what our life feels
[1:17:22] and looks like.
[1:17:24] That's what motivates me. And so, people
[1:17:26] often ask me, "Okay, what are you going
[1:17:27] to do next?" But I'm like, "Next? Are
[1:17:29] you kidding me? Like, what more do you
[1:17:31] need?" Like, I don't want more. I want I
[1:17:33] want time.
[1:17:35] Like, I would love to continue doing
[1:17:37] what I'm doing in service
[1:17:40] of people and of your ability to create
[1:17:45] a better life and to feel better. But
[1:17:47] what I would like to do is to have more
[1:17:49] time back
[1:17:50] to spend it with my husband, to spend it
[1:17:52] with my kids, to be outside hiking, to
[1:17:55] enjoy all of this hard work because I
[1:17:57] think one of the things that's
[1:17:58] interesting about about being older.
[1:18:01] And this goes to those of you that are
[1:18:02] saying it's too late.
[1:18:04] First of all, Dr. Hyman's on Medicare
[1:18:06] and [laughter] he's like
[1:18:08] the co-founder of a basically a Medicare
[1:18:10] whatever it is. Medicare, Medicare,
[1:18:11] you're the doctor, I don't know.
[1:18:13] Whatever it is. [laughter]
[1:18:15] And you know, he's like literally the
[1:18:17] recent founder of a company that's now
[1:18:19] valued at a billion dollars. And I
[1:18:22] started the podcast at 54, wrote the
[1:18:24] book at 55, became the co-founder of
[1:18:27] this incredible Pure Genius protein shot
[1:18:30] company at the age of 56.
[1:18:34] We We
[1:18:35] We will not hear it.
[1:18:37] And what happens when you attack life
[1:18:41] later in life is you're doing it with
[1:18:43] experience.
[1:18:45] And with the experience that you have
[1:18:47] right now, you don't forget what
[1:18:49] actually matters.
[1:18:50] And so for me, when I look ahead,
[1:18:52] there's nothing that I could do in the
[1:18:54] future, Dr. Hyman,
[1:18:56] that would change what I know is
[1:18:58] important in life. And what's important
[1:18:59] in life
[1:19:00] is your health.
[1:19:02] It's your family.
[1:19:04] It's your friends. And it's waking up
[1:19:07] every day and having somewhere to go,
[1:19:10] having something to do that you care
[1:19:12] about, and having somebody that you can
[1:19:14] show a little love to.
[1:19:15] You have those three things, you are
[1:19:18] winning
[1:19:19] at this game of life.
[1:19:20] >> And it's true. I think you know, you
[1:19:22] know, what you're saying is so important
[1:19:23] and we really
[1:19:25] have to kind of come back to the
[1:19:26] essentials. And
[1:19:28] And both of us, as I was reflecting
[1:19:30] listening to what you're saying,
[1:19:32] both of us had
[1:19:33] pretty bad breakdowns in life. You at
[1:19:36] 41, you you had
[1:19:38] incredible debt and everything was
[1:19:39] falling apart and you were you know, you
[1:19:41] just kind of in a deep depressed hole.
[1:19:44] I was you know, in my late 30s. I got
[1:19:45] chronic fatigue syndrome
[1:19:47] and I had to discover a new way of
[1:19:49] healing and then the work that I do
[1:19:50] around functional medicine and and it
[1:19:52] and coming out of that and
[1:19:54] figuring out a way out of that for both
[1:19:56] of us has has compelled us to want to
[1:19:58] give back to the world and to bring the
[1:20:01] love that we gave to ourselves to
[1:20:03] everybody else and to you know, share
[1:20:05] with everybody else
[1:20:07] uh steps that they can take to actually
[1:20:10] feel better, live better, you know, and
[1:20:12] actually have a more meaningful,
[1:20:14] complete life. And it's it's it's
[1:20:15] actually
[1:20:17] hard because a lot of people just don't
[1:20:18] think that it's possible. They don't
[1:20:20] think that getting out of the crappy
[1:20:22] situation they're in, whatever it is, is
[1:20:24] possible. But I think you know, you and
[1:20:26] I are examples of people who've who've
[1:20:28] been at the bottom and who've who've
[1:20:30] come back and and it's it's really I
[1:20:32] think hopefully inspiring for people to
[1:20:33] listen to this and to have this
[1:20:34] conversation and to start to think about
[1:20:37] okay, doesn't matter what age I am. I
[1:20:38] could be 75. I could be 55. It's never
[1:20:41] too late and it's it's never too late to
[1:20:43] take control of your health. It's never
[1:20:44] too late to reset your relationships, to
[1:20:47] reset your mind and fix your your your
[1:20:50] um
[1:20:51] patterns of thinking that cause
[1:20:52] suffering for you and your beliefs that
[1:20:54] cause suffering. Your your book you
[1:20:56] really is about changing our beliefs
[1:20:57] about how relationships work, about how
[1:20:59] love works, about how supporting others
[1:21:01] works, about how taking care of yourself
[1:21:02] works. These are really important things
[1:21:04] we don't learn in school. We don't learn
[1:21:05] any of this stuff in [laughter] school.
[1:21:07] And so I think we're we're at this
[1:21:08] amazing moment where you know, work that
[1:21:10] you're doing, some of the work that I'm
[1:21:11] doing is really helping people
[1:21:13] to become empowered with with the
[1:21:15] information, the knowledge and the tools
[1:21:17] to actually live a better, longer life.
[1:21:19] And you know, you you're saying you want
[1:21:20] to have more life in your years. That's
[1:21:22] the tagline of Function, which is live
[1:21:24] 100 healthy years. That's that's our
[1:21:25] goal and
[1:21:26] I've written a new book coming out next
[1:21:28] spring called 100, How to Live 100
[1:21:30] Healthy Years. And it's really about
[1:21:31] this exact thing. How how do we do this?
[1:21:34] And it goes through everything from
[1:21:35] physical health to mental emotional
[1:21:37] health to you know, dealing with our
[1:21:38] traumas. All this stuff is necessary,
[1:21:41] building community and I was kind of
[1:21:42] reminded a little bit about the work I
[1:21:44] did with Rick Warren where he where he
[1:21:47] we we created something called the
[1:21:47] Daniel Plan in his church. It was a very
[1:21:49] unhealthy overweight church and it was
[1:21:51] based on five principles which is faith
[1:21:53] essentially is what he's talking about
[1:21:54] is meaning and purpose that you're
[1:21:55] talking about uh food
[1:21:59] fitness
[1:22:01] uh
[1:22:01] focus which is getting your mindset
[1:22:03] right and
[1:22:05] friends.
[1:22:06] It's really It's really all the things
[1:22:08] we've been talking about and that's what
[1:22:09] really creates a
[1:22:11] life that allows you to be empowered to
[1:22:12] do the things you want and to live a
[1:22:14] life you want.
[1:22:15] >> I agree.
[1:22:15] >> Yeah. So, thanks to Mel for being on the
[1:22:17] podcast. Everybody, you can find Mel's
[1:22:19] work everywhere.
[1:22:21] >> [laughter]
[1:22:21] >> Her podcast is the Mel Robbins Show.
[1:22:23] She's got her social media which is
[1:22:26] >> Like literally you just look for Mel
[1:22:28] Robbins and if you're trying to get more
[1:22:30] protein, I want you to check out Pure
[1:22:32] Genius Protein. I have one every single
[1:22:34] morning, Dr. Hyman, and it has changed
[1:22:36] my life. I really struggled to get
[1:22:40] protein in cuz I listened to you doctors
[1:22:42] and it's really hard. It's hard with the
[1:22:45] number of calories, it's hard on the go.
[1:22:47] There's only so much chicken and eggs.
[1:22:49] When I found out eggs were only 6 g of
[1:22:50] protein, I was mad at them for a year.
[1:22:52] [laughter]
[1:22:53] Yeah, I like I can't eat six eggs and so
[1:22:57] given how much I struggled, I joined a
[1:23:00] company and became a founder and spent a
[1:23:02] year
[1:23:04] working with medical and scientific and
[1:23:06] nutritional experts to build the first
[1:23:08] of its kind 3-oz TSA approved shell
[1:23:12] stable 100 calories, 23 g of complete
[1:23:15] protein.
[1:23:16] >> Yeah.
[1:23:17] >> It's incredible.
[1:23:17] >> I've had it. It's delicious and it's
[1:23:19] great and it's it's a it's truly
[1:23:20] >> Well, thank you for saying that. It
[1:23:23] really is and so I'm really proud of
[1:23:24] that because it's made it simple and one
[1:23:27] of the things that you and I talked a
[1:23:28] lot about today is functional health
[1:23:30] helps answer questions about what's
[1:23:33] going on inside so you can make changes
[1:23:36] that improve your health. And for me as
[1:23:38] a normal person, if the changes are
[1:23:40] hard, I ain't doing it. And so the fact
[1:23:43] that it can be simple to either figure
[1:23:48] out what's going on through medical
[1:23:50] tests or simple
[1:23:53] like I do, I drink a protein shot every
[1:23:55] morning instead of a smoothie.
[1:23:57] Boom, it's done. That's what helps you
[1:23:59] get these things done.
[1:24:00] >> It's true. It's It's true. It just It's
[1:24:02] just allowing people to have the tools
[1:24:04] and access and things that are going to
[1:24:06] make their default choices better
[1:24:08] choices and I think uh hopefully this
[1:24:11] has inspired a lot of people. I'm sure
[1:24:12] this podcast is going to get out there.
[1:24:14] >> [music]
[1:24:14] >> Thank you for everything you do, Mel.
[1:24:15] It's great to see you again. I love you
[1:24:17] and keep keep it up.
[1:24:18] >> It's great to see you. I love you, too.
[1:24:20] >> on the dance floor at when I'm 100 and
[1:24:22] you're like you're like 50 you're like
[1:24:25] 80 90 or something.
[1:24:27] >> [laughter]
[1:24:28] >> Yeah, I'm like 10 years behind you.
[1:24:29] >> you'll be 90 I'll be 100. We'll be
[1:24:31] dancing. How about that? I'll meet you
[1:24:32] on the dance floor at 100.
[1:24:34] >> [laughter]
[1:24:35] >> Sounds good.
[1:24:36] >> All right, Mel. Thank you. Hey
[1:24:37] everybody, it's Dr. Mark Hyman. I'm so
[1:24:39] excited to share that my new book is
[1:24:41] officially available for pre-order
[1:24:42] today. After more than 30 years of
[1:24:45] practicing medicine and caring for tens
[1:24:46] of thousands of patients, I've written
[1:24:48] the book that brings everything together
[1:24:51] that I've learned about helping people
[1:24:52] get healthy and stay healthy as they
[1:24:54] age. It's called The 100: What to Do
[1:24:56] Today to Live 100 Healthy Years. It's a
[1:24:58] whole body guide to living 100 healthy
[1:25:01] years. It's grounded in a new
[1:25:02] understanding of how our bodies work.
[1:25:04] It's the new map of the body and inside
[1:25:06] I walk you through the seven core
[1:25:08] systems that drive your health from your
[1:25:09] gut and hormones to how your cells make
[1:25:11] energy that help you understand the
[1:25:13] signals your body's been sending you all
[1:25:15] along. Now, a lot of what's in the book
[1:25:17] I learned the hard way through my own
[1:25:19] body. When I got sick the medicine that
[1:25:21] I trained in did not have any of the
[1:25:24] answers I needed. So, I had to go
[1:25:26] looking for them myself and that search
[1:25:28] became my life's work. This book brings
[1:25:30] together decades of my learning from my
[1:25:32] patients, from the scientific research
[1:25:34] and scouring that, from the things I got
[1:25:36] wrong and the things I had to rethink
[1:25:37] along the way. I don't want you to have
[1:25:40] to struggle the way I did to find those
[1:25:41] answers. So much of our health is shaped
[1:25:43] by what happens outside your doctor's
[1:25:45] office and I want you to feel confident
[1:25:47] knowing how to care for yourself every
[1:25:49] day. I put so much of myself into this
[1:25:50] book and I'm really excited to finally
[1:25:52] share it with you. It's really my life's
[1:25:54] work. It's my capstone of my career that
[1:25:55] I put everything I know. It's finally
[1:25:57] available for order today. Pre-order
[1:25:59] everywhere books are sold. Go get a
[1:26:00] copy. Please support me and this is my
[1:26:02] life's work. So, I think you're going to
[1:26:04] love it.