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Why Relationships Cause Us Pain: Karma, Grief and Freedom

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Asha Nayaswami
Oct 15, 2026
9 min read
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The scene is Florence, and a teacher is standing in front of a wall of paintings. Asha Nayaswami tells the story in her talk "Why Relationships Cause Us Pain": she and her teacher, Swami Kriyananda, walked through the Uffizi and found painting after painting of Jesus on the cross, rendered in countless ways. When they came out, Kriyananda offered his verdict with a shrug and a smile: he thought it was time for a new theme. The laughter in the room is the point. Her argument, across roughly thirty-nine minutes, is that the suffering we bring on each other through love, loss and disappointment is real, but it is not the purpose of being alive, and that the heart we are trying to protect is being purified rather than punished. Drawing on the teachings of Paramhansa Yogananda and Kriyananda, she argues that relationships are among the most effective teachers we have, that we cannot hand our happiness to another person, and that grief, when met honestly, can turn the heart toward God.

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What Is the Higher Self, and Why Does It Keep Steering Us Into Trouble?

The talk opens with a claim that reorders the usual picture of the self. We are, Nayaswami says, operating on many levels at once, and the small part of us that feels in charge is badly mistaken about its own authority. "We're extraordinarily misguided in thinking this tiny bit that we're conscious of is actually the captain of the ship," she says in the opening minutes. Beneath it is a part that "knows what our true destiny is and will not rest until we reach it," and that destiny, she says, is "purity of heart so that we can see God."

The word purity is the one she stops to defend. She reaches for a metallurgist's image: purifying gold. Pure gold is not gold mixed with a little of something else; the other material is simply not the essential substance, and the gold shines better once the impurities are gone. Our essential nature, in her account, is divine, blissful, free and not compelled, able to live by divine law "joyfully and effortlessly." The impurities are the endless internal refrain, "I would be happier if," which we tend to call "me." Her point is that this refrain is not the self we actually are, and that life keeps pressing on it because a higher part of us is trying, whether we know it or not, to scrape it away.

This is the frame for everything that follows. If relationships hurt, they are not evidence that something has gone wrong with love. They are part of a process of refinement, and the friction is doing work.

Why Do We Waste So Much Energy Fighting What Is?

One of the most practical passages in the talk concerns energy. Nayaswami observes that we have only so much capacity to change, learn and expand, and that we need "every ounce" of it for the work. Yet a great deal of that energy goes into rebellion against the very circumstances that are doing the teaching. "How much energy do we spend just saying I want it to be different?" she asks. The question is not rhetorical. It is an invitation to audit one's own inner life.

She illustrates this with her own early heartbreak, one of what she calls a "parade of disappointments." She describes the experience as total, and says she spent many weeks in deep sadness before a realization arrived. What had been true had ceased to exist, because everyone in the story had "turned the page." No power in heaven or earth, she says, could make the past present again. Her grief did not vanish when she understood this; she was still griefstricken. But the question changed from "why is this happening to me" to a far more practical one: how do I want to live?

"You can be as mad as you want about reality, but reality always wins."

(Asha Nayaswami, "Why Relationships Cause Us Pain," roughly the first six minutes)

She tells a second story that is as much about delivery as about doctrine. A friend and healer, listening to Nayaswami describe what she had been thinking and doing, simply looked at her "with all her loving heart" and asked: "How is that working for you?" The answer, Nayaswami admits, was "not very well." Her friend followed with the obvious next question: how much longer do you want to keep doing it? The moment is a small model of the talk's method. Acceptance is not a surrender to misery. It is a plain look at what resistance is actually producing.

Why Do the People We Love Hurt Us the Most?

Nayaswami's most striking claim about relationships is almost blunt: "nothing breaks our heart as much as each other." The reason, she argues, is that we arrive with a fundamental misperception about why we are here. We imagine life as a setting in which we can sit where we are and have everything "arrange itself around me," with everyone fitting neatly into our shape. We were made for joy, but that does not mean everything must match what we want.

She is equally firm that the opposite error is also false. "We are not here to suffer." She criticizes the tendency to read suffering as a path to holiness, saying that treating the crucifixion as the defining image of Christianity, rather than the resurrection, led to the notion that the more you suffer, the more you are like Jesus. That, she says, was a "super bad mistake." The alternative she offers is that we are here to learn, and whether that learning feels miserable or merely challenging depends on how we regard it, not on the circumstances. "It's not has nothing to do with the circumstances," she says in a line that captures her teaching compactly. "It's just how we regard it."

The mechanism she describes is forced cooperation. In the early stages of the soul's development, we are compelled to be with one another, and in that compulsion we suffer from each other because we have to find out what is true and what is not. Only a highly advanced person, she suggests, can continue that inner work without the external pressure of obligations and demands. Relationships, in this reading, are a narrow channel through which we scrape away misunderstandings "so that we can embrace who we really are."

Can We Make Another Person Responsible for Our Happiness?

The talk's most useful practical teaching concerns expectation. Nayaswami frames attachment and expectation as the places where freedom leaks out. When we believe another person's love, presence or behavior should supply our happiness, we are asking them to do a job that belongs to our own higher self. The lesson is not to stop loving. It is to stop placing the full weight of our inner life on someone else's shoulders.

She extends this to parenthood with unusual clarity. A mother and father, she says, create the physical vehicle through which the soul expresses its destiny, but they do not create the soul or its destiny. The child, though it may not yet have the means to explain itself, is "a fully formed consciousness" with its own intelligence and spiritual realization, expressing it "in an age appropriate manner." Parents have a huge responsibility to guide, she insists, but "you don't own it." The same principle, she suggests, applies to spouses and friends. Each soul is on its own journey, even when two people make vows to one another.

This is where the talk's insistence on "every soul has its own spiritual destiny" becomes concrete. If you cannot own another person's path, then heartbreak when they leave it is not simply a betrayal to be avenged. It is a moment in which their destiny and yours diverge, and the work is to release the story you had written for the two of you.

What Do Karma and Reincarnation Have to Do With Heartbreak?

The talk's chapter list signals a substantial turn toward karma and reincarnation, including segments on "unfinished karma," on why not every chapter of life has a happy ending, and on forgiveness and releasing anger. The excerpt available for this article ends before those arguments fully unfold, so it would be a mistake to paraphrase them in detail here. What the surviving material does establish is the frame: relationships recur because the soul still has lessons to learn, and forgiveness is presented as a release rather than a verdict on the other person. Viewers who want the full reasoning should watch those sections directly, beginning at the chapter marked 31:16 in the video's timestamps.

How Can Grief Bring Us Closer to God?

The talk ends its arc on grief and the mystery of divine love. The chapter list points to Yogananda's own experience of grief, to the story of Sri Ramakrishna and the nature of divine love, and to the call to embrace our humanity on the spiritual path. The closing chapter, "Praying for strength to meet life's challenges," suggests the speaker's resolution: that prayer for strength is itself a practice of letting the heart be refined rather than hardened. Within the excerpt, Nayaswami stresses that the river of life carries us forward whether we resist or not, and that the more we can feel it moving, the less we need to fight it.

That is the quiet argument beneath the whole talk. Grief is not a detour from the spiritual life. It is one of the places where the gold shows through.

Where to go from here

If this talk has landed hard, begin where Nayaswami begins: with the gap between the self we think we are and the higher self she describes. Over the next week, notice one moment when you catch yourself saying "I want it to be different." Ask the question her friend asked: how is that working for you? Then return to the later chapters of the video, especially those on expectation, forgiveness and grief, and watch them slowly rather than as a single sitting. The teaching is less a set of rules than a set of questions meant to be lived with, and that is exactly the kind of reflection Nayaswami invites throughout.

Quotes in this article are drawn from the speaker's talk as transcribed on her YouTube channel, and paraphrases reflect the material available at the time of writing. The video runs roughly thirty-nine minutes and is worth watching in full for the context and tone that a written summary cannot carry.

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[0:00] When we speak of ourselves and think of

[0:02] ourselves, the problem is we are so many

[0:05] different levels simultaneously.

[0:08] And this little bit that we think we're

[0:10] in charge of, we we're extraordinarily

[0:13] misguided in thinking this tiny bit that

[0:16] we're conscious of is actually the

[0:17] captain of the ship. It isn't at all.

[0:20] There's this other part of it that knows

[0:22] what our true destiny is and will not

[0:25] rest until we reach it. And our destiny

[0:30] is purity of heart so that we can see

[0:32] God. Okay. What is the word? The word

[0:35] purity is kind of an odd word in the way

[0:38] in our context. Purity means well think

[0:41] of it just in terms of like purifying

[0:43] gold. Pure gold. There's there's uh

[0:47] there's things in there that are not the

[0:49] same as the gold. And the gold is going

[0:51] to shine better if you can get all those

[0:53] impurities. and they're impure because

[0:56] they're not the same as as the essential

[0:59] substance.

[1:01] So our essential substance is divine, is

[1:05] blissful,

[1:07] is is is uh free, is not compelled, is

[1:11] able to just live by divine law joyfully

[1:15] and effortlessly.

[1:17] Um, and then there's all these

[1:18] impurities that said, "But I would be

[1:20] happier if I would be happier if I would

[1:22] be happier if I would be happier if and

[1:26] and we tend to call that me." But our

[1:30] higher self knows that's not that's not

[1:32] us. So we keep we keep trying to purify

[1:35] ourselves. Whether we know that or not,

[1:37] that's what we're actually doing. The

[1:38] heart is not yet pure and it's propelled

[1:41] to have experiences

[1:44] that will will educate us as to as to

[1:49] what is re what is eternally real. Who

[1:52] am I? What is the real source of my

[1:55] suffering? What is the real source of my

[1:57] joy?

[1:59] And we we we do not learn by somebody

[2:03] making a dogmatic list of what we're

[2:05] supposed to do. It's just we don't we

[2:08] might be um forced to cooperate. We

[2:13] might be too afraid not to cooperate. We

[2:16] might be um it might be an appropriate

[2:19] instruction for us and the right karmic

[2:22] experience is to try but gradually we

[2:25] move step by step. We are compelled to

[2:28] be involved with one another. The first

[2:32] the there are five stages. I believe in

[2:33] the first three stages we are forced to

[2:37] constantly be with one another and we

[2:40] are generally speaking we get to suffer

[2:43] from one another because we have to find

[2:46] out what is true and what is not true.

[2:49] We have to find out where happiness

[2:51] really comes from. And very very very

[2:54] you have to be extremely highly advanced

[2:58] before you can continue that process

[3:01] without the compelling force of all the

[3:05] demands that are put upon us. Now, the

[3:07] part of the reason I I've gone to so

[3:09] much trouble to say this is we we have a

[3:14] certain amount of energy to progress, to

[3:18] change ourselves, to make to to learn

[3:22] and expand.

[3:24] And we need every ounce of energy that

[3:27] we have in order to be able to do it.

[3:29] But a tremendous amount of our energy is

[3:33] committed to rebelling against the

[3:36] necessity to do that,

[3:39] you know, and we we just we just want it

[3:42] to be different. Ask yourself, how much

[3:44] energy do we spend just saying I want it

[3:47] to be different?

[3:50] when when I went through early in my

[3:52] life one of the first, you know, of the

[3:55] parade of disappointments deep, I'm I I

[3:58] can't even at this point make light of

[4:00] how I felt. Just total heartbreak.

[4:04] And I realized that

[4:07] this that my heart was broken because

[4:10] what had existed had ceased to exist

[4:14] because everybody in the story had had

[4:17] turned the page.

[4:20] Because this happens, doesn't it? We

[4:22] don't stay the same. We start in one

[4:24] place and even know sometimes external

[4:28] events intervene, you know, like death

[4:31] or accidents or everything. But things

[4:35] change and then it simply doesn't exist.

[4:41] And so I was you uh given to tears as

[4:46] one is and I was was spending many weeks

[4:50] in a state of great sadness. And then

[4:53] one day I realized that what I wanted

[4:58] what I had what had been true had ceased

[5:01] to exist.

[5:03] And no, no power in heaven or earth

[5:07] could bring the past and make it the

[5:09] present or the future. And therefore, if

[5:13] I was going to weep over that fact, I

[5:16] would never stop crying cuz what would

[5:19] ever make me to stop crying?

[5:23] And it didn't in any way

[5:27] change the way I felt because I was

[5:30] griefstricken.

[5:32] But I also just had to ask myself, you

[5:34] know, how do I want to live?

[5:38] And I wasn't sophisticated enough to

[5:40] really understand the metaphysics of

[5:42] these things. But it was just a very

[5:44] practical question. But you see, my

[5:47] higher self was trying to instruct my

[5:49] present self,

[5:51] which is you can be as mad as you want

[5:53] about reality,

[5:55] but reality always wins.

[5:59] And so at a certain point we have to ask

[6:01] ourselves well as my dear friend once

[6:03] asked me she was a wonderful healer and

[6:06] I described to her uh something that I

[6:09] was thinking and doing and so on and she

[6:11] just so sweetly just kind of you know

[6:13] looked at my face with all her loving

[6:15] heart and said and how is that working

[6:17] for you [laughter]

[6:20] and I had to say not very well. Well

[6:23] then how much longer do you want to keep

[6:24] doing it? You know like what do you

[6:26] think is going to happen? So there is a

[6:29] point and this is why we're all involved

[6:32] with each other because nothing breaks

[6:35] our heart as much as each other. Isn't

[6:38] that so? And it's so annoying. It's just

[6:40] so annoying. But see, we have the

[6:42] thought in our mind that we're here for

[6:45] it to all be beautiful and easy and

[6:47] pleasurable.

[6:49] You know, I'm I'm just going to sit

[6:50] right where I am and it's just going to

[6:53] arrange itself around me. And that's

[6:55] what it means that I was made for joy is

[6:58] that it all matches. It's, you know, it

[7:01] all it all fits exactly what I'm shaped

[7:03] like now and everybody fits right into

[7:05] it. And and that's just a fundamental

[7:09] misperception

[7:11] about why we're even here. We're not

[7:14] here to be comfortable and to just get

[7:18] things the way we want. Now, the

[7:20] opposite of that is also false. Nor are

[7:22] we here to suffer. I this is this is

[7:25] what the poor Christians did when they

[7:27] made the crucifixion instead of the

[7:29] resurrection the definition of

[7:30] Christianity. The more you suffer the

[7:32] more you're like Jesus. That was like a

[7:35] super bad mistake. I was with Swami G in

[7:38] Europe. We would have been in probably

[7:40] we were in Florence and we went to the

[7:42] Uitzi and we looked at a great deal of

[7:44] beautiful religious paintings there and

[7:48] painting after painting was Jesus on the

[7:50] cross in countless ways and we came out

[7:52] and Swami G in his simple way he said

[7:54] you know I think it's time for a new

[7:56] theme he said [laughter]

[7:58] he said I think we've taken that one

[8:00] about as far as we need to take it.

[8:03] [laughter]

[8:04] So the opposite is not that misery is

[8:07] our lot but we are here to learn and

[8:10] whether we think learning and changing

[8:13] is miserable or merely challenging

[8:18] but useful in the end. You see it's not

[8:21] has nothing to do with the

[8:22] circumstances. It's just how we regard

[8:24] it. We are forced through this narrow

[8:26] channel because we need to scrape away

[8:28] our misunderstandings

[8:30] so that we can embrace who we really

[8:32] are.

[8:34] So first you have to understand we have

[8:36] to understand this about every everyone

[8:40] everybody is on a journey

[8:43] and and everybody is on their own

[8:46] journey

[8:47] and even if you give birth to the child

[8:52] what to speak if you merely fall in love

[8:54] and make pledges to one another

[8:57] everybody is still on the individual

[8:59] journey about your own children the

[9:02] mother and the Father create the

[9:04] physical vehicle for the soul to express

[9:07] its destiny. But the mother and father

[9:10] do not create the soul or its destiny.

[9:13] And that darling little baby, and I love

[9:16] darling little babies. They're just so

[9:19] marvelously fun and adorable little

[9:21] children. That child is a fully formed

[9:26] consciousness. Has its full

[9:28] intelligence, its full spiritual

[9:30] realization. It just doesn't have the

[9:32] means to tell you about it. But that

[9:35] doesn't mean it's not experiencing it or

[9:37] expressing it. It's just doing it in an

[9:40] age appropriate manner. But you are

[9:44] guiding. You have a responsibility. You

[9:46] have a huge responsibility to do the

[9:48] best you can do for that soul. But

[9:51] you're not creating it. You don't own

[9:53] it. Now there's more to say to your

[9:56] question about how you should

[9:58] appropriately convey to that child what

[10:01] what you have found useful in your life.

[10:03] And I do not feel a hands-off approach

[10:05] is the best way to do it. But there is

[10:08] an appropriate way which has to do with

[10:10] your own understanding of yourself and

[10:14] the world around you. I have in the

[10:16] course of my many years in community,

[10:19] I've I've done hundreds of hours,

[10:22] probably thousands of hours of

[10:24] counseling and probably at least half of

[10:26] it is about romantic relationships

[10:29] because that's what causes us the most

[10:32] grief, isn't it? You know, we just get

[10:35] ourselves into this these expectations

[10:39] and then the darn thing is in these

[10:41] relationships there's always two people

[10:45] and one of them is not me.

[10:49] You and you know it's easy to laugh at

[10:53] that but it's it's when that begins to

[10:56] assert itself and we think that we've

[10:58] been betrayed. We think that somebody

[11:00] didn't keep their promise to us. all

[11:02] these different things when actually all

[11:05] that happened was at some point it

[11:07] becomes self-evident that there's two of

[11:09] us and that we are not creating each

[11:13] other's destiny and that even though

[11:16] there may be a tremendous intersection

[11:19] it's just that there's an intersection

[11:22] there's never when we're talking about

[11:26] incarnated spirits we're always separate

[11:28] we're always separate even when we don't

[11:31] have bodies We're still individual jas

[11:35] and all that every relationship every

[11:38] single relationship is about friendship.

[11:40] The highest form of love is friendship.

[11:44] It's and and for this reason and now the

[11:47] ideal the most obvious ideal

[11:50] relationship is mother love because

[11:53] mother love in its ideal form is

[11:56] completely without regard for itself.

[11:59] I mean even the physical body is taken

[12:01] over and the physical body is sacrificed

[12:04] for the sake of the child. And of course

[12:08] we're not talking about men and women.

[12:09] We're just talking about an ideal. But

[12:11] it's it's symbolically manifested. But

[12:14] the mother is compelled to take care of

[12:17] that child. So even whether she wants to

[12:20] or not, the the child's life depends on

[12:24] it and she's compelled to do it. She can

[12:26] do it joyfully. She can do it willingly

[12:29] but she has to do it. Okay. Friendship

[12:32] even and then we get involved in

[12:35] parental to child, you know, parent to

[12:37] child, child to parent, husband to wife,

[12:40] all of these there's there a form sets

[12:44] in and that form inevitably involves

[12:47] certain expectations

[12:50] and compelling expectations. The only

[12:52] form of love that is completely free is

[12:54] friendship.

[12:56] You just express it because you want to

[12:59] or you withdraw it because you want to.

[13:02] And so master said that's the highest

[13:04] form. That's why last night I was

[13:05] talking about friend being one of the

[13:07] bavs. And in the Gita um I I was

[13:11] speaking of that last night. I believe

[13:13] Krishna calls Arjun a friend and in the

[13:17] Bible as I was saying last night Jesus

[13:18] calls his disciples friend. And there's

[13:21] a very subtle and extremely deep message

[13:23] there. Now when romance, when sexuality,

[13:26] when passion, when when commitment to

[13:29] raise children together all set in all

[13:31] of these expectations, and I know

[13:33] expectations is a cliche, so just saying

[13:36] that alone is not really solving the

[13:38] problem, but we do get in the position

[13:41] where this is what is supposed to happen

[13:44] and we and then when it doesn't happen,

[13:46] we get in war with reality, don't we?

[13:50] And then we start trying to compel the

[13:52] people in our lives to do the things

[13:54] that they are supposed to do. And how's

[13:57] that working for you? You know, how is

[13:59] that working for you? Now, the problem

[14:02] is the problem is we get close to people

[14:06] and when they start behaving badly, it's

[14:09] not merely that we selfishly want them

[14:11] to behave in a different way so that all

[14:12] feel better. We also panic for their

[14:15] sakes. We get really worried that, you

[14:18] know, you're doing the wrong thing.

[14:19] You're going to get bad karma here. You

[14:21] need, however we phrase it, you're going

[14:22] to go to hell forever. You're going to

[14:24] get bad karma. You know, it's all sort

[14:26] of the same thing. But we want them to

[14:28] be different. And we may want them to be

[14:30] different for very strong reasons. But

[14:33] what happens then? We get compelled by

[14:36] the lack of peace in our own hearts. And

[14:39] instead of acting with calm

[14:41] understanding of what might be best,

[14:43] we're we're we are compelled. We have

[14:45] compelled hearts. We do not have pure

[14:47] hearts. We do not have free hearts. And

[14:49] so we get to practice. We get to find

[14:52] out what this is. So the the the

[14:54] fundamental thing we have to understand

[14:56] is dissonance, disharmony, heartbreak,

[14:59] grief, loss.

[15:02] That doesn't mean anything's going

[15:04] wrong.

[15:06] It just means that this is the karma

[15:07] that I was born to face. And yes, part

[15:11] of what we do when we face hard karma is

[15:15] we have to gather our intelligent forces

[15:18] and our willpower to figure out what to

[15:21] do about it. And that's why the karma

[15:24] comes. It's an unlearned lesson. Karma

[15:27] is the the the best most useful

[15:29] definition that I know of for the word

[15:31] karma is it's an unlearned lesson. this

[15:36] whatever it is has the power to persuade

[15:39] me that life is not joyful

[15:42] that God does not love me that things

[15:45] ought to be different than they are

[15:48] which is not the truth of things but

[15:50] that that truth is so high that just

[15:53] merely to be able to say it doesn't mean

[15:55] that my spontaneous reaction is to learn

[15:58] that. So we get to practice and part of

[16:02] what that practice is about is we get to

[16:04] experience often just the pit of misery.

[16:09] just the pit of misery because and this

[16:13] is so unfortunate until

[16:17] the suffering of continuing as we are

[16:22] looks worse than the effort required to

[16:26] change our attitudes.

[16:29] We will not put out the effort to do it.

[16:32] And it's it's you know it's it's it's

[16:34] it's adjusted to the micron.

[16:37] you know, if I'd rather just continue to

[16:40] suffer and be in grief rather than

[16:42] really face myself, put out the energy,

[16:45] have the humility to admit, to forgive,

[16:49] to do all these other things. You know,

[16:52] I' I've said the word forgiveness. So,

[16:53] let me put that in here at the moment.

[16:55] Personally, I've never liked the word

[16:57] forgiveness and alternately

[16:59] Swami G sometimes speaks for it and

[17:02] sometimes speaks against it. So, I have

[17:04] I have his authority on both sides of

[17:05] this one. Forgiveness is a beautiful

[17:07] word. It's it's obviously a marvelous

[17:09] concept. But what I don't like about it

[17:12] and this is what Swami has said at

[17:14] places is it's I who am forgiving you.

[17:19] You know because I am magnanimous and I

[17:21] have raised my consciousness to a higher

[17:23] spiritual level and you poor misguided

[17:26] twerp that you are. [clears throat]

[17:28] [laughter]

[17:30] I forgive you.

[17:32] Now, now the result of that is to

[17:36] release anger, to stop feeling like I'm

[17:39] a victim. It's to stop feeling that

[17:42] reality has betrayed me, that something

[17:44] has gone wrong. So, the result is what

[17:46] we're trying to get. We just have to

[17:48] accept it. This is what is because

[17:50] forgiveness implies that a wrong has

[17:52] been done to me and now I'm going to

[17:54] magnanimously let it go. But you see, no

[17:56] wrong is ever actually done to us.

[17:59] opportunities are given to us and but

[18:02] that's not to say that people don't

[18:04] behave badly. Some people behave

[18:07] monstrously.

[18:08] So there's a difference between

[18:10] pretending that everything is just

[18:12] perfect and everybody does just what

[18:14] they're supposed to do and actually

[18:16] realizing that the way the way this

[18:18] person behaved is is nightmarish. They

[18:21] you know nobody should be subjected to

[18:24] what I was subjected to. But rest

[18:27] assured that person's karma is worse

[18:30] than yours.

[18:31] Because when dark energy goes through

[18:35] someone and maybe deposited on another

[18:39] an innocent child or what whoever it's

[18:42] deposited on, it's already one step

[18:45] removed. No matter how horrific it is

[18:47] when it lands. Where the real poison

[18:51] takes place is in the person who

[18:54] channels who becomes a channel for that.

[18:56] Because in order to do many of the

[18:59] horrific things that are done in this

[19:01] world, a person has to open themselves

[19:03] to extraordinary dark energy. you know,

[19:06] to be an abuser of children, to be a

[19:09] sexual predator, to be

[19:13] a torturer of others. It just and so

[19:16] they the trace of the power of the

[19:19] darkness is what they're going to have

[19:21] to deal with, you know. So, it's not we

[19:24] don't have to worry. Retribution will

[19:27] come and but let's think of it

[19:29] differently. They will have the

[19:30] opportunity to learn what is real, what

[19:34] causes suffering because it's a profound

[19:36] unlearned lesson from them. So why ruin

[19:39] my life? Because they have a hard

[19:42] lesson, right? You can feel great

[19:45] compassion, but we have to just accept

[19:49] that this is what has happened. Now the

[19:51] next step is that you ask the question,

[19:53] well, why is it happening to me?

[19:56] And the answer is because I have

[19:59] something to learn. And this is very

[20:01] hard. I was saying at breakfast I had in

[20:04] this lifetime I I had a I've had a

[20:07] charmed life and and but I know when I'm

[20:10] talking to a room full of people I don't

[20:12] I don't know what's in this room. I

[20:15] don't know what some of you may have

[20:16] been through. And believe me, I'm not

[20:19] when I'm saying this to you, I'm not

[20:20] being even slightly glib. I understand

[20:22] this. Especially things that happen to

[20:24] us when we're children. you know, when

[20:26] we just don't even understand.

[20:29] But the difficulty with the law of karma

[20:33] is that if it's true anywhere, it has to

[20:36] be true everywhere.

[20:38] Which is why very few people want to

[20:40] really accept it.

[20:42] It's especially hard if one feels that I

[20:45] have been the victim. And by any

[20:48] objective standard that our society

[20:49] would look at, you have been

[20:53] because you've been subjected to

[20:55] somebody's very, very dark energy. Now,

[20:58] to think that you're being punished is a

[21:01] terrible way to think about it. But to

[21:04] think that there is nothing for you to

[21:06] learn from this experience is a

[21:09] forwardmoving helpful way. And my

[21:11] question is always, you know, how has

[21:14] this made you a better person?

[21:17] What is it that you would not what good

[21:19] thing would you not have learned if you

[21:22] hadn't been through this experience?

[21:23] That doesn't take you all the way to

[21:25] saying, "Oh, I'm so glad it happened."

[21:27] But at least it can begin to turn the

[21:31] energy.

[21:32] And so in all our experiences with

[21:34] people, whether we've been betrayed by a

[21:37] lover or somebody has just died and God

[21:41] has just taken away from you that which

[21:44] you were not ready to give up or you

[21:48] never got something that you really

[21:49] thought you you should have or worse,

[21:52] you got it and it just disappointed you

[21:54] and now what are you going to do? You

[21:57] know, these are all just this is life.

[21:59] This is the progress. This is the

[22:01] propelled heart forced into these

[22:05] situations so that we can rise and rise.

[22:08] A woman friend, an acquaintance, she

[22:10] came to our retreat many years ago when

[22:13] I was uh running uh the weekend running

[22:16] a lot of the programs. This would be in

[22:18] the 70s and 80s. And

[22:21] she came all the way from Sweden, which

[22:23] was more unusual at that time. Now

[22:25] people travel more to be in our

[22:27] community because we were the only

[22:29] community at that time.

[22:31] And she came because she had been gifted

[22:34] with a wonderful woman as a sister, her

[22:36] her her biological sister. They were

[22:38] close in age. They did everything

[22:40] together. They planned that they would

[22:43] marry. They would have children. They

[22:44] would live next door to each other.

[22:46] Everything was all planned. And then in

[22:48] her mid20s, her sister got cancer and

[22:51] died.

[22:52] And the woman in front of me was just

[22:55] beyond herself with grief. She just

[22:57] didn't know. But as she explained it,

[23:01] she said,

[23:03] "I I suffered as I had never suffered

[23:05] before. And because I suffered, I prayed

[23:08] as I had never prayed before. And

[23:11] because I prayed with that intensity, I

[23:14] felt the presence of God as I had never

[23:17] felt it before." And as a consequence,

[23:20] she found autobiography of a yogi. Came

[23:22] from Sweden to California, was there to

[23:25] learn to to meditate, to do ka, all

[23:27] those things. I took a great risk, but

[23:29] it came out of me to say it. I said,

[23:32] "Well, then would you say your sister's

[23:35] death was a tragedy or a blessing then?"

[23:38] And I mean, she just looked horrified

[23:41] when I said that. But you see, the

[23:43] question had to be asked.

[23:46] Do you think her sister promised her

[23:48] before they were born that she was going

[23:51] to be an enormous catalyst for her for

[23:53] her growth and then just kept her

[23:55] promise?

[23:57] I I mean I can't say yes or no but

[24:00] exactly the same situation. Which side

[24:03] do you look at it

[24:05] from?

[24:07] So when we're working with people now

[24:10] this is where I was going to say a

[24:11] moment ago when I have done a lot of

[24:15] counseling for a lot of couples which I

[24:18] don't do anymore. I've done enough I

[24:19] feel um

[24:23] occasionally and it did happen. I would

[24:26] meet a couple that were actually

[24:27] mismatched. It just the energy just was

[24:31] never going to go anywhere.

[24:33] Most of the time, the majority of time,

[24:36] let's just say the problem was within

[24:38] each of them.

[24:40] And of course, because they were not at

[24:42] peace with themselves, they found it

[24:44] impossible to be at peace with each

[24:46] other.

[24:47] And and to be fair about this, when I

[24:50] say the couple was mismatched, I mean

[24:52] like there was they were fundamentally

[24:54] one was a bad person and one wasn't or

[24:56] something like that. But you could also

[24:58] be very uneven in what I'm just saying

[25:02] that, you know, my happiness comes

[25:05] because I've made a deliberate decision

[25:06] to be happy. And I may decide that your

[25:09] decision never to be happy is just too

[25:11] much of a drain on my decision to be

[25:13] happy. I'm not uh in in our present age,

[25:18] separation and divorce is just part of

[25:20] how the story goes. Lifelong marriage is

[25:22] not necessarily a victory.

[25:24] You know, sometimes [laughter]

[25:27] sometimes it's just, you know, an

[25:29] exercise in endurance

[25:31] [laughter]

[25:33] in which nobody wins. Right? So please

[25:36] understand but but we are responsible

[25:39] for our own happiness and no nobody can

[25:42] make you happy

[25:44] and especially romance in our particular

[25:47] time and to a certain extent the romance

[25:48] of having children tells us that oh if I

[25:52] just do this then happiness will be come

[25:55] with it

[25:57] and then because of the way uh God

[26:01] creates this universe the miasma comes

[26:04] in and we really get we just think it's

[26:07] true. We just think it's true. And

[26:09] because our cultures now have no um no

[26:13] stories, no true stories. No culture

[26:16] does. Um meaning everybody's idea of how

[26:20] to how to be a person comes from uh

[26:25] fictional sources generally created by

[26:28] people who don't have very high

[26:29] consciousness. movies, novels, romantic

[26:33] music, television shows, pornography.

[26:37] I mean, and this is this is how people

[26:39] build their character. And then they go

[26:41] out and they try to make fiction work.

[26:47] You know, I had this one woman tell me,

[26:48] "Oh, I want a relationship just like"

[26:50] and then she mentioned this movie. And I

[26:53] I mean, that was I just looked at I

[26:54] said, "That's fiction."

[26:58] And and I even had to say it wasn't even

[26:59] good art. You know,

[27:03] it's like honey, you are doomed. You

[27:06] know, you are really you're really

[27:08] doomed. It's never going to happen like

[27:10] that. We have to start by understanding

[27:13] that if I don't make myself happy,

[27:16] nobody will ever be able to make me

[27:18] happy. And I must bring into every

[27:22] friendship and every relationship I

[27:24] have. I have to bring somebody into that

[27:27] relationship meaning me

[27:30] because if I really bring myself with

[27:32] clear values

[27:34] a clear understanding of we can be

[27:38] wonderful friends. Friends are wonderful

[27:40] and marriage itself is just a unique

[27:43] kind of friendship with a unique

[27:45] challenge because of the great danger of

[27:48] overfamiliarity. It's just that we're

[27:50] constantly we we we we don't own each

[27:53] other.

[27:54] Everybody has their own destiny and

[27:56] we're always interested in each other's

[27:58] destiny

[27:59] even if it contradicts a little with

[28:01] mine. But bear in mind a friend

[28:05] also takes on what is the reality of of

[28:09] the friend. That's why Jesus said, "I

[28:10] call you friend, not servant, not

[28:13] disciple." When you take on a a partner,

[28:17] you don't have the freedom of your own

[28:18] karma anymore.

[28:21] Which is why lots of us are unmarried

[28:24] because then we just my karma is enough,

[28:28] you know, but I've lived through the

[28:30] other. I understand it. It has it has a

[28:32] tremendous capacity to help you purify

[28:35] your heart. But when it starts working,

[28:39] don't think it's going wrong,

[28:42] but respond to it. I have to there's

[28:44] something more I have to learn here

[28:46] about how to be a true friend and how to

[28:48] really help. And sometimes what you have

[28:50] to learn is I've done enough.

[28:53] You know, it's not like you you can't

[28:56] ask them to sacrifice their destiny. I'm

[28:59] not talking about parents and children.

[29:01] That's very different. But friend to

[29:03] friend, you can't ask them to sacrifice

[29:05] your destiny, but nor should you

[29:07] sacrifice your own.

[29:09] You know, you are not more important

[29:11] than the people you love, but nor are

[29:14] you less important.

[29:17] And and that's where it gets very very

[29:19] tricky.

[29:21] And is it easy? Oh, heavens, no.

[29:25] Does it eventually give us the capacity

[29:27] to see God by purifying our hearts? Yes.

[29:31] That's called the pearl of great price.

[29:34] And what is that price? Courage.

[29:37] Courage. Courage. courage,

[29:40] honesty, humility, discipline.

[29:43] But the other question is, do you have

[29:46] an alternative that's going to work

[29:47] better? We can just stand in the

[29:51] stairway and demand that the sun rise

[29:53] hours before it's going to rise. And we

[29:55] can just do that for as many

[29:56] incarnations as we want to.

[29:59] Divine Mother gives us free will. But

[30:01] then when we're really ready to work,

[30:03] now here's the hard part. It's it's it's

[30:07] hard and grief is real and heartbreak is

[30:10] real

[30:12] and you know when you read a a thick

[30:14] book and you have different chapters

[30:17] very often there's a lot of chapters

[30:18] that don't end well

[30:21] you know and so the other thing that we

[30:23] hold in our minds is that every every

[30:25] piece has to end well but it doesn't if

[30:29] you just look around you see many many

[30:32] many many

[30:34] things are unres resolved. The

[30:36] incarnation ends and it's not resolved.

[30:39] You never really get your mother to

[30:41] understand your point of view. You know,

[30:43] you never really get your the one true

[30:45] love of your life back in your life. You

[30:48] never really get to have the children

[30:50] you wanted to have.

[30:52] But at the end of the book, all of those

[30:57] lessons resolve themselves. So the

[31:00] comfort and it's small comfort I admit

[31:02] is that if it's not the happy ending

[31:06] it's not yet the ending.

[31:08] >> You know those who thirst after

[31:11] righteousness will be satisfied.

[31:14] But there's no timeline on that promise.

[31:17] And this is where reincarnation is both

[31:19] essential and and I find a great

[31:22] comfort. We just push the story as far

[31:24] as we can push it. I was in a situation

[31:26] once where I had this really hard karma

[31:29] with someone and uh and and then uh I

[31:33] was going to be relieved of the

[31:34] circumstances

[31:36] and Swami G said to me

[31:39] um well perhaps the karma is over like

[31:42] that and and he just he let me have that

[31:44] for I mean he let me enjoy that for

[31:46] about 10 seconds maybe even as long as

[31:48] that. Yippee and then he said but I

[31:52] don't think so. [laughter]

[31:56] But then he said what was very

[31:58] interesting. He said but you've taken it

[31:59] as far as you can take it. You know it's

[32:02] like this this chapter is just going to

[32:05] stop here. And he said you you just have

[32:08] a lot you have to grow in other ways

[32:10] before you're going to be able to deal

[32:12] with this. See so one of the things that

[32:13] happens through human relationships is

[32:15] humility.

[32:17] I'm not that good.

[32:21] And that itself, you see, is a huge

[32:23] learning. I'm just not that good. In

[32:26] theory, a person should be able to

[32:28] master this, but not this person.

[32:32] You have to grow in other ways. And he

[32:34] said, "And don't worry, in this lifetime

[32:36] or in a future lifetime, it'll come back

[32:38] and you'll have a chance." Or he said,

[32:40] "If you figure it out, you know, and the

[32:43] other person doesn't, then they get to

[32:45] work it out with a surrogate. you don't

[32:47] you're not going to be compelled by

[32:49] their ignorance. You know, they'll

[32:51] they'll have to learn the lesson, but

[32:52] not necessarily with you. Very

[32:54] comforting, isn't it? Yeah. So, the only

[32:58] only thing is and don't even pretend for

[33:00] a minute that you're not going to that

[33:02] you will never love again. Regardless of

[33:04] why you think you're not going to, you

[33:07] will because you will be compelled.

[33:11] Your heart will compel you. the the

[33:14] river wants to get to the ocean and

[33:16] it'll just keep pushing.

[33:18] [sighs]

[33:19] And there we go. I was asked a specific

[33:21] question about grief and I want to touch

[33:23] that before I finish here. Grief to me

[33:26] is fascinating. Especially what I don't

[33:30] understand is the relationship between

[33:31] time and grief.

[33:34] Because when you're grieving, you feel

[33:36] that you'll never recover.

[33:39] a a wonderful definition of grief which

[33:41] is not mine but is brilliant. Grief is

[33:44] great love with no way to express it.

[33:50] Wow. Isn't that just exactly what it is?

[33:52] But it the the the origin point of grief

[33:55] is unexpressed love. Either

[33:59] stopped by betrayal, stopped by death,

[34:03] stopped by changed karma.

[34:06] Okay. But time somehow mitigates the

[34:09] intensity of that. Not that you still

[34:12] can't burst into tears 25 years later,

[34:16] but you won't be crying all the time. I

[34:18] think it's simply that other more vivid

[34:21] impressions come in front of you because

[34:23] it's not like the essential heartbreak

[34:25] ever stops, but you come to accept it.

[34:28] This is the way I'm shaped. And also

[34:30] more deeply you may realize as many

[34:32] people do I wouldn't be the person that

[34:34] I am and meaning in a positive way if

[34:38] this hadn't happened. So is it a curse

[34:41] or is it a blessing? I don't know. But

[34:43] the other thing about grief is

[34:46] this is the way we're made. I was saying

[34:49] at breakfast there there's when when

[34:51] yogaandanda's

[34:54] most advanced female disciple sister

[34:56] Ganamata died yogaandanda said I saw her

[35:00] merge into the infinite light. I mean

[35:03] what could be more magnificent than

[35:05] that? He knew she was free. But when he

[35:08] conducted her funeral, he wept and he

[35:12] and he he uh exclaimed, "Oh, yoga and

[35:17] sister, we will never be yogaandanda and

[35:20] sister again." And then his his he tears

[35:24] ran down his face because something

[35:29] beautiful was over.

[35:32] And and that's just how we feel, you

[35:35] know. We know that that we know that

[35:38] eternity exists and we mourn when when

[35:43] it things evaporate.

[35:46] But he knew that she was free. So we are

[35:49] all these things at the same time. And

[35:51] even stranger is the more unusual is the

[35:55] story of Sri Ramakrishna, an avatar of

[35:58] the late 1800s in India. They lived in

[36:00] the Kali temple near Dakashwar outside

[36:02] of Kolkata.

[36:05] And he was a very very odd and unusual

[36:08] incarnation.

[36:10] And he one of his he was a priest in

[36:14] this temple and he lived there and his

[36:17] nephew

[36:18] took care of him because he he needed to

[36:21] be taken care of. He couldn't relate to

[36:22] this world sufficiently. So Hedai was

[36:25] his caregiver and his companion for many

[36:27] years and then Hai became ill and died

[36:30] and Ramachrishna was there and he took

[36:33] Hai's spirit out of his body and you

[36:36] know sent it into the light. So then

[36:38] Ramachrishna's there and Hai has died

[36:41] and Ramachrishna who was very childlike

[36:43] in the way expressed himself just

[36:45] sobbing uncontrollably. Oh, you know my

[36:48] my best friend who died is gone. Who

[36:50] will bring me my tea in the morning? Who

[36:52] will sit with me and watch the sunrise?

[36:55] Who will talk to me about the

[36:56] scriptures? Who will walk by the Ganes

[36:58] with me? He would just sob and sob and

[37:01] then just like that without there being

[37:04] any transition. He would start dancing

[37:06] in ecstasy and talk about watching

[37:09] Freda's spirit rise up into the light.

[37:12] And now he's free. And then without any

[37:15] transition he would be weeping again. So

[37:18] all of it happens at the same time.

[37:21] We can know that there's a divine plan

[37:24] and yet we can be just so moved by the

[37:28] humanness of it. Very very odd.

[37:34] And and it's it's important to be humble

[37:38] in all of this and not think that we're

[37:40] doing it wrong. you know, we're not

[37:43] doing it wrong. This is oddly and

[37:45] weirdly just the way it happens.

[37:48] And the more we can feel the river going

[37:52] to the sea and not think that we're

[37:55] making some mistake because we're riding

[37:57] all those waves. Um the sooner the heart

[38:01] becomes purified and the sooner we won't

[38:04] have to do this anymore or we can do it

[38:08] in such a way as to serve others and not

[38:12] really we won't be compelled. That's the

[38:15] word that I use. I say sometimes, divine

[38:17] mother, I don't care what my future

[38:20] lives are like. I don't care how you

[38:21] want me to live. I just want to be free

[38:24] to follow your will and not be compelled

[38:28] by so many unlearned lessons. So that's

[38:31] what we're asking for, not to not to

[38:34] avoid them. A a priest in Chicago, I

[38:37] read this statement, he's been canonized

[38:40] by the church or something.

[38:42] Father Solano is his name. He said,

[38:45] "Pray not for tasks equal to your

[38:49] strength.

[38:51] Pray for the strength equal to your

[38:52] tasks." Isn't that obvious?

[38:55] So what you say to divine mother is all

[38:58] right it's okay if you send this to me

[39:00] but you've got to send me the power to

[39:02] do

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In her talk, Nayaswami argues that nothing breaks our heart as much as each other, because we arrive expecting life to arrange itself around our wants. Relationships force us to find out what is true and what is not, and that friction is part of purifying the heart. She also stresses that we are not here to suffer, only to learn.
She uses the image of purifying gold: pure gold is the essential substance, and the impurities are the constant internal refrain of 'I would be happier if.' Our essential nature is divine, blissful and free, and life keeps pressing on our false self so that this nature can shine through.
Nayaswami says no. Expecting a partner, friend or child to supply our happiness asks them to do work that belongs to our own higher self. The healthier path is to release that dependence while continuing to love.
Drawing on Yogananda and Swami Kriyananda, Nayaswami presents heartbreak as a moment when what we thought existed has ceased, which invites us to ask how we want to live. Grief, met honestly, can turn the heart toward God rather than away from life.
Yes. She teaches that parents create the physical vehicle for a soul but do not create the soul or its destiny, and that even a newborn is a fully formed consciousness. The same principle applies to partners and friends, each of whom is on an individual journey.
The talk is titled 'Why Relationships Cause Us Pain' on her YouTube channel and runs about thirty-nine minutes. Its chapters cover higher self, expectations, karma, forgiveness, reincarnation and grief, so viewers can jump to the sections most relevant to them.

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