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[2:00] Mhm.
[3:55] >> Mhm.
[5:50] >> Mhm.
[7:39] >> Okay.
[7:40] >> Good morning, Archangel.
[7:41] >> Good morning, sweetie.
[7:42] >> everyone.
[7:43] >> So, is it an adventure isn't the
[7:45] batteries run out?
[7:46] >> [laughter]
[7:46] >> The battery just died right
[7:48] right on time. It was blinking.
[7:50] Um welcome also to our online audience
[7:53] on YouTube. And this morning we have
[7:55] Ajahn Nisabho. Ajahn Nisabho is the uh
[7:57] senior
[7:59] uh senior bhikkhu at our monastery at at
[8:02] our monastery in Newbury. So, thank you
[8:04] Ajahn for coming in to offer the talk
[8:05] today and also for tomorrow coming in
[8:07] for tomorrow's meditation.
[8:09] >> Right.
[8:09] >> So, I'll now pass it to Savitri to
[8:11] request the refuges and the precepts and
[8:13] we can all join in for this, okay? Thank
[8:15] you.
[8:23] >> I'll join in, too.
[8:25] >> [laughter]
[8:29] >> Venerable, we request three refuges and
[8:33] the five training rules.
[8:35] For the second time, venerable, we
[8:38] request three refuges and the five
[8:40] training rules.
[8:42] For [snorts] the third time, venerable,
[8:44] we request three refuges and the five
[8:47] training rules.
[8:48] >> Sadhu. Sadhu. Sadhu. And now I'll do the
[8:51] homage three times and then if you'd
[8:53] like to repeat it after after me.
[8:56] Homage to the blessed, noble, and
[9:00] perfectly enlightened one. Homage to the
[9:04] blessed, noble, and perfectly
[9:08] enlightened one. Homage to the blessed,
[9:12] noble, and perfectly enlightened one.
[9:18] >> Homage to the blessed,
[9:20] noble,
[9:21] and perfectly
[9:24] enlightened one.
[9:24] Homage to the blessed,
[9:27] noble,
[9:29] and perfectly
[9:30] enlightened one.
[9:31] Homage to the
[9:33] blessed,
[9:34] noble,
[9:34] and perfectly
[9:37] enlightened one.
[9:37] >> Sadhu. Sadhu. And then for the refuges,
[9:40] we
[9:40] >> them line by line.
[9:42] And for the precepts, too, or the
[9:44] training rules. To the Buddha, I go for
[9:48] refuge.
[9:50] >> To the Buddha, I go
[9:52] for refuge.
[9:53] >> To the Dhamma, I go for refuge.
[9:57] >> To the
[9:58] Dhamma, I go
[10:00] for refuge.
[10:01] >> To the Sangha, I go for refuge.
[10:05] >> To the
[10:06] Sangha, I go
[10:08] for refuge.
[10:08] >> For the second time, to the Buddha, I go
[10:12] for refuge.
[10:14] >> For the second time,
[10:16] to the Buddha,
[10:17] I go
[10:18] >> For the second time, to the Dhamma, I go
[10:22] for refuge.
[10:24] >> For the second time,
[10:27] to the Dhamma,
[10:28] I go
[10:29] >> For the second time, to the Sangha, I go
[10:33] for refuge.
[10:34] >> For the second time,
[10:37] to the Sangha,
[10:38] I go for
[10:40] >> For the third time, to the Buddha, I go
[10:43] for refuge.
[10:45] >> For the
[10:46] third time,
[10:47] to the Buddha,
[10:48] I go
[10:49] for refuge.
[10:50] >> For the third time, to the Dhamma, I go
[10:54] for refuge.
[10:56] >> For the
[10:57] third time, to the Dhamma,
[10:59] I go
[11:00] for
[11:00] >> For the third time, to the Sangha, I go
[11:04] for refuge.
[11:06] >> For the
[11:07] third time, to the Sangha,
[11:09] I go
[11:10] for a
[11:11] >> And now for the five training rules. I
[11:14] undertake the training rule to refrain
[11:18] from killing living beings.
[11:21] >> I undertake
[11:22] the training rule
[11:23] to refrain from killing living
[11:25] beings.
[11:26] >> I undertake the training rule to refrain
[11:30] from stealing.
[11:32] >> I undertake
[11:33] the training rule
[11:34] to refrain from
[11:37] I undertake the training rule to refrain
[11:40] from sexual misconduct.
[11:48] I undertake the training rule to refrain
[11:52] from lying.
[11:58] I undertake the training rule to refrain
[12:01] from alcohol and drugs which lead to
[12:06] carelessness.
[12:16] Through virtue, these five training
[12:19] rules lead to happiness,
[12:23] lead to good fortune, lead to
[12:27] liberation.
[12:29] Therefore, let them be purified.
[12:34] Sadhu, sadhu, sadhu. And now we can
[12:37] chant together the recollection of the
[12:38] Buddha, Dhamma, and Sangha in English
[12:41] and then the Metta Sutta as well.
[12:45] The Blessed One is the Arahant,
[12:49] the perfectly enlightened one,
[12:53] is impeccable in conduct and
[12:56] understanding,
[12:58] the accomplished one, the knower of the
[13:02] worlds. He trains perfectly those who
[13:06] wish to be trained. He is teacher of
[13:10] devas and humans. He is awake and holy.
[13:17] The Dhamma is well expounded by the
[13:20] Blessed One,
[13:22] apparent here and now, timeless,
[13:27] encouraging investigation
[13:31] leading inwards to be personally
[13:34] experienced by the wise.
[13:38] They are the blessed one's disciples
[13:42] who are practicing well, who are
[13:45] practicing directly,
[13:48] who are practicing insightfully,
[13:52] who are practicing
[13:55] integrity.
[13:56] That is the four pairs, the eight kinds
[14:00] of noble beings. These are the blessed
[14:05] one's disciples.
[14:07] Such ones are worthy of gifts,
[14:11] worthy of hospitality,
[14:13] worthy of offerings, worthy of respect.
[14:19] They are the unsurpassed field of merit
[14:23] for the world. Sadhu, sadhu, sadhu. Now
[14:25] then, now for the Metta Sutta, always
[14:28] good.
[14:29] That this is what should be done
[14:33] by one who is skilled in goodness and
[14:38] who knows the path of peace. Let them be
[14:42] able and upright, straightforward and
[14:47] gentle in speech, humble and not
[14:50] conceited,
[14:52] contented and easily satisfied,
[14:57] not busy with duties and frugal in their
[15:02] ways, peaceful and calm and wise and
[15:07] skillful,
[15:08] not proud or demanding in nature.
[15:13] Let them not do the slightest thing that
[15:18] the wise would later reprove,
[15:22] wishing in gladness and in safety,
[15:26] may all beings be happy. Whatever living
[15:32] beings there may be,
[15:34] whether they are weak or strong, all
[15:38] meeting none,
[15:40] the great or the mighty, medium, short,
[15:45] or small, the seen and the unseen, those
[15:51] living near and far away,
[15:54] those born and to be born, may all
[15:59] beings be happy.
[16:02] Let none deceive another
[16:06] or despise any being in any state. Let
[16:11] none through anger or ill will wish harm
[16:16] upon another.
[16:19] Even as a mother protects with her life
[16:24] her child, her only child, so with a
[16:29] boundless heart should one cherish all
[16:33] living beings, radiating
[16:37] kindness
[16:39] over the entire world, spreading upwards
[16:44] to the skies and downwards to the
[16:47] depths, outwards and unbounded,
[16:52] freed from hatred and ill will.
[16:56] Whether standing or walking, seated or
[17:00] lying down, free from drowsiness,
[17:05] one should sustain this recollection.
[17:09] This is said to be the sublime abiding.
[17:15] By not holding to wrong views, the
[17:19] pure-hearted
[17:20] one having clarity of vision,
[17:25] being freed from all sense desires,
[17:29] is not born again into this world.
[17:34] Sadhu, sadhu, sadhu.
[17:37] So, I'm great. So, good morning to
[17:39] everybody and it's a here in Melbourne,
[17:43] it's a very nice warm day today, which
[17:45] is
[17:46] great. I think summer has arrived. So,
[17:50] today I thought I would talk about
[17:51] something that's is always topical
[17:55] uh for all of us and it's a very good
[17:57] thing to develop and that's forgiveness
[18:00] and how we can forgive others, but
[18:04] usually the the most important person to
[18:07] forgive
[18:09] ourselves actually, it's generally
[18:11] ourselves. If we can forgive ourselves,
[18:13] we'll probably be okay about forgiving
[18:16] others, it's much easier.
[18:18] So, I'll just start with a a verse from
[18:21] well-known verse, I think people will
[18:23] recognize it immediately.
[18:25] I'll ask you where it's from.
[18:28] There we are.
[18:30] Hatred never ends through hatred, by
[18:33] non-hate alone does it end. This is an
[18:38] ancient truth. But many do not realize
[18:43] that we here must die. For those who
[18:47] realize this, quarrels end. Sadhu,
[18:51] sadhu, sadhu. There we are.
[18:54] So, the reason for this talk was
[18:57] somebody asked me recently, they said to
[19:00] me that, you know, if you look at the
[19:02] sūtras, if you read the sūtras, you
[19:04] don't see the word forgiveness there
[19:06] much at all really. The Buddha doesn't
[19:09] talk about using this word forgiveness.
[19:12] And they and they said, "Well, you know,
[19:15] is
[19:16] is it in the Buddhist teachings then at
[19:18] all, this
[19:19] idea of forgiveness?"
[19:21] And of course, it's in the Vinaya, the
[19:24] monks' rules, a lot. Um anyone that
[19:28] knows, you know, the the chanting the
[19:30] monks do, we're always asking for
[19:33] forgiveness from
[19:35] when we particularly when we leave
[19:37] actually from each other for anything
[19:40] we've done through body, speech, and
[19:42] mind that's been offensive or upset or
[19:45] hurt that person, whether we've done it
[19:48] deliberately or not. And of course, we
[19:50] have a very big tradition even in
[19:52] traditional Buddhist countries. I
[19:53] remember when I was in Sri Lanka many
[19:56] years ago I was quite a few years ago
[19:58] this happened. Somebody said to me,
[20:00] "This forgiveness, we we don't have it
[20:02] in Buddhism. It is a Christian idea."
[20:05] And that's what a lot of people thought.
[20:07] And I said, "No, no, it isn't. It's in
[20:10] Buddhism."
[20:11] Um and I'll I'll go into why I think the
[20:14] Buddha doesn't use the word forgiveness,
[20:17] doesn't use that concept very much as
[20:20] just on its own. And I said, you know,
[20:23] with we immediately for traditional
[20:26] Buddhists, we have this chant of asking
[20:29] for forgiveness from the Buddha, Dharma,
[20:31] and Sangha. And this is quite a
[20:34] quite a very very common one. So, we
[20:36] have this notion of forgiveness.
[20:39] The reason I think the Buddha doesn't
[20:41] use the word forgiveness is because he's
[20:44] dealing with the underlying things that
[20:47] make it difficult to forgive. If we
[20:50] address those qualities of the mind,
[20:53] then forgiveness is very natural. If we
[20:56] have metta, if we have we have
[20:59] compassion,
[21:01] if we have um
[21:03] joy for other people's good qualities
[21:05] and success, if we have acceptance,
[21:08] equanimity of ourselves and others, then
[21:11] forgiveness will flow from it. It's
[21:14] also, I think, you know, when some
[21:16] people when we use this word
[21:18] forgiveness, it's like I I think of the
[21:21] same example with happiness. Somebody
[21:24] says "Do be happy." Do you remember that
[21:26] song? Just be happy.
[21:28] Can you do it like that?
[21:31] Not really. You just can't say "I want
[21:34] to be happy." And then we feel
[21:36] happiness. What do we have to do?
[21:39] We have to develop the causes for being
[21:41] happy. We have to develop the causes for
[21:44] forgiveness. So, this is where the
[21:46] Buddha is more focused when the whole of
[21:49] Buddhism focused on the mind, where
[21:52] these
[21:54] feelings, where these defilements come
[21:56] from, but also where these good
[21:57] qualities come from, where wisdom comes
[22:01] from, where liberation comes from.
[22:04] Uh so, this is this is where why I I
[22:07] think forgiveness is not so much
[22:09] mentioned by the Buddha as such.
[22:12] Um but uh
[22:14] I think everybody's familiar with
[22:16] forgiveness, the idea of forgiveness,
[22:19] and and the feeling of forgiveness.
[22:26] And really, one of the most important
[22:28] things about forgiveness, isn't it, for
[22:31] all of us is it allows us to let go of
[22:34] of the past, especially, you know, those
[22:37] things that were difficult for us,
[22:39] either
[22:40] um you know, what from other people or
[22:42] even from from ourselves, letting go of
[22:45] all these past hurts, and not hanging on
[22:49] to them.
[22:50] Um I'll mention in a minute. Um I think
[22:52] many of us know of people, we may have
[22:55] done it ourselves, where we
[22:58] hang on to grudges. Do you Do you know
[23:01] people that have had grudges for 20
[23:03] years, 30 years, 40 years, whole of
[23:06] their lives, hanging on to this
[23:08] resentment, hanging on, remembering it,
[23:11] uh replaying it in their minds. And
[23:14] often, you see people who and I I meet
[23:17] people who who keep bringing up these
[23:19] past hurts and they tend to become
[23:22] bitter about it. The We In English, we
[23:26] have the saying bitter and twisted.
[23:28] And this is the tendency when we hang on
[23:30] to this these past hurts and unable to
[23:34] forgive. And of course, we can forgive
[23:38] ourselves for not being perfect and we
[23:41] can forgive others for not being
[23:43] perfect. And the the difficult one is to
[23:47] forgive life for not being perfect. And
[23:51] of course, this is the essence of the
[23:52] four noble truths that life isn't uh
[23:55] perfect because it cannot be a permanent
[23:59] happiness. It's always going to be a
[24:01] change, a flux, always going to come and
[24:03] go.
[24:04] So,
[24:06] and [clears throat] I was going to ask
[24:07] everybody, you can bring this to mind.
[24:10] What would happen if [clears throat] you
[24:12] never if you just uh didn't empty your
[24:15] rubbish bin, your wheelie bin each week?
[24:19] After a week, it might be a bit smelly.
[24:22] After 2 weeks, wow.
[24:24] After 3 weeks, maybe other creatures are
[24:27] starting to take over. 4 weeks,
[24:30] then the neighbors will complain.
[24:32] >> [laughter]
[24:33] [sighs and gasps]
[24:34] >> And so, this is a good simile actually
[24:36] for all these past hurts, all these
[24:39] resentments, all these grudges. You
[24:42] know, they're like so much rubbish. And
[24:45] uh so, the
[24:46] our job is really to put them in to the
[24:49] wheelie bin and wheel them out to the
[24:52] verge. And it's really quite handy. The
[24:56] Buddha You see, the Buddha use similes a
[24:58] lot. And similes, these like images, can
[25:03] give us the ability to use it as a quick
[25:06] a shortcut for letting go.
[25:09] And we can think, you know, we're really
[25:10] angry, we're really upset, and then
[25:12] we're it's repeating in our minds, you
[25:15] know how it does, you know, gets caught
[25:16] in a loop. You know, they said this,
[25:19] they did that, and it goes on and on and
[25:21] on. And so, if we then we can bring to
[25:26] mind, ah yes, the wheelie bin.
[25:30] It can help us recognize one, this is
[25:32] rubbish.
[25:34] And and in our minds, put it into the
[25:36] wheelie bin, and then wheel it out to
[25:38] the street. So, this is this perhaps
[25:42] helpful for you. I was I was
[25:45] reading a teaching from Tenzin Palmo
[25:48] recently. I thought, wow, so skillful
[25:51] actually, you know, how to let go of
[25:54] when people do and say things that
[25:57] really
[25:59] press our buttons. And she said, bring
[26:02] to mind the Teflon pan.
[26:05] Isn't that a great image? You know,
[26:07] Ajahn Brahm used the Teflon mind, same
[26:10] idea. So, that these words, these
[26:14] actions don't stick to us. And she said,
[26:18] and this is a lovely teaching, she said,
[26:20] don't become a pressure cooker. You
[26:22] know, when we go over and over again, we
[26:25] build up steam, literally almost forces
[26:28] us to get red, and we we get agitated.
[26:31] And then, the other one she used was,
[26:33] and often times with a lot of these
[26:35] hurts, a lot of these grudges, we can
[26:38] feel like
[26:39] this is like a replay of a television
[26:42] show or series we've seen many, many
[26:45] times. And she said, then what to do?
[26:49] Change channel.
[26:52] And that's a good image to bring up to
[26:54] to mind, changing channel. And when
[26:57] we're starting to build up pressure,
[26:58] bring up the pressure cooker. And when
[27:01] people are saying and doing things, not
[27:03] reacting and getting
[27:06] angry, upset, irritated, annoyed with
[27:08] them, just think of the Teflon pan. So,
[27:11] using these images can be very useful
[27:14] for us.
[27:16] And also, you know, the alternative, as
[27:19] as mentioned, what's it feel like when
[27:21] we don't forgive? And as mentioned, we
[27:24] just become very bitter and twisted. We
[27:26] get stuck.
[27:28] We get caught in a replay or repeat that
[27:32] it goes over and over again what others
[27:35] have said and done.
[27:36] So, there's a nice verse in the
[27:39] Dhammapada that really captures this.
[27:41] It's goes with the other ones, really.
[27:45] It says, "He abused me. He struck me. He
[27:48] overpowered me. He robbed me." Those who
[27:52] harbor such thoughts do not still their
[27:56] hatred. "She abused me. She struck me.
[28:00] She overpowered me. She robbed me."
[28:04] Those who do not harbor such thoughts
[28:08] still their hatred. Sadhu. Sadhu.
[28:12] And that's that is quite I mean, it's
[28:16] really simple in the way that if we
[28:18] repeat if we focus on things again and
[28:21] again, give attention to them, we will
[28:24] keep them alive. We will keep them
[28:26] going.
[28:27] And as practitioners, when we're
[28:29] practicing the noble eightfold path,
[28:32] we're working with our minds and working
[28:35] with what we give attention to. If we
[28:38] give attention to those thoughts, you
[28:41] know, that this person has abused me,
[28:44] struck me, overpowered me, and robbed
[28:46] me, and keep going over that. Then that
[28:50] hatred, then those emotions associated
[28:52] with that will grow. And of course the
[28:55] Buddha is encouraging us to develop
[28:58] pay attention to other things, to
[29:00] develop qualities that will let go of
[29:04] that hatred,
[29:06] um those negative qualities of the mind.
[29:09] And that's really it's not always that
[29:11] easy
[29:11] >> [laughter]
[29:13] >> when the buttons have been pressed to
[29:15] actually change channel. It's not so
[29:18] easy, but we can remember. And this is
[29:20] where Sati, this mindfulness, so
[29:23] important with the
[29:25] um with our life, with our practice,
[29:27] with the Buddha's teachings. Because
[29:30] Sati remind
[29:32] allows us to remember, ah yes, what to
[29:35] do in this situation. And then maybe to
[29:38] remember the wheelie bin or the
[29:41] Teflon pan, something like that. So very
[29:44] very very useful way of dealing with
[29:47] these things because
[29:49] it's what we give attention to that will
[29:52] grow. The Buddha mentions that many
[29:54] times.
[29:55] And what are the two aspects of
[29:57] forgiveness?
[29:59] Do you know? Maybe it's not the right
[30:01] way of saying it. Anyone?
[30:04] There's two aspects to forgiveness.
[30:11] And when the monks are when the
[30:13] monastics are doing it we always do
[30:15] both.
[30:16] And um
[30:18] the first one of course is asking for
[30:20] forgiveness. You know, this is when
[30:21] we've done something um asking for
[30:24] forgiveness from someone else or maybe
[30:28] even ourselves. Sounds a bit strange,
[30:30] doesn't it really? Asking forgiveness
[30:32] from yourself. But it could be it can be
[30:34] a good exercise actually. And that can
[30:37] take the
[30:38] form of apologizing.
[30:40] Hello Susan.
[30:43] Or saying sorry, writing a letter of
[30:46] apology, that sort of thing. So, this
[30:50] is a good good thing to do. The second
[30:53] aspect, of course, is giving
[30:55] forgiveness, forgiving others and
[30:58] ourselves. And always, as mentioned, you
[31:01] know, when we do forgiveness
[31:04] as monastics, we we always say we say
[31:10] "Kamami Kamitaban. I forgive, you should
[31:14] forgive."
[31:15] You know, may you forgive. So, it's
[31:18] always that dual nature,
[31:20] really, because it'll never be
[31:23] one-sided. Actually, there's always
[31:25] going to be another side to, you know,
[31:28] that we need to forgive.
[31:31] We're asking forgiveness and giving
[31:33] forgiveness. And this is something it's
[31:37] not a one-off.
[31:39] It's an ongoing process
[31:42] until we reach the first stage of
[31:45] enlightenment, at least, the stream
[31:47] entry.
[31:48] We will be collecting issues, we'll be
[31:51] collecting, reacting very negatively to
[31:54] what people do, say, and what we suspect
[31:57] they're thinking.
[31:58] One of the worst sufferings in life is
[32:01] being, you know, absolutely afraid of
[32:04] what people are thinking about who? Us.
[32:09] And of course, this is one of the big
[32:11] the big things that a stream enterer
[32:14] a sees through. That first stage of
[32:16] enlightenment, they see through There
[32:18] isn't a permanent I, me, and myself.
[32:20] Yes, character, personality, but nothing
[32:24] fixed. And of course, once one's had
[32:26] that game changer, actually, then all
[32:31] these issues
[32:32] tend to reduce. They won't be so
[32:35] sensitive. We're We're are so sensitive
[32:38] to what people say, what they do, or
[32:41] what we think they're thinking. That's
[32:43] the
[32:44] That's the great suffering as mentioned.
[32:46] And it's like um
[32:48] you know, um I think it was Ajahn Chah
[32:50] used this simile. Um we're like a really
[32:54] we're really um
[32:56] fat or obese and we're going through
[32:59] doorways and brushing up against the
[33:01] doorways
[33:03] because of this
[33:05] of this ego which leads to this obesity
[33:08] of the mind. This You know, so it's
[33:11] going to brush up against everything and
[33:13] everyone. And so we're so sensitive as
[33:17] beings. So this is a something the
[33:19] stream enterer
[33:21] having seen that through that view that
[33:23] there's a permanent I, me, and myself,
[33:26] having seen through that, they're free
[33:28] of that to a large degree. They won't
[33:32] They won't uh
[33:34] won't take have a view that this is me
[33:36] being offended, this is me being abused,
[33:39] and all this. So we can do this uh
[33:42] forgiveness
[33:44] uh as often as we need. Some people do
[33:46] it as a daily practice, and I think
[33:48] that's quite a good idea. And later I'll
[33:51] do a guided meditation or contemplation
[33:54] in a general way
[33:56] for us uh for forgiveness. But one of
[33:59] the easiest I think uh most easily
[34:03] remembered actually formulas for
[34:05] forgiveness.
[34:07] What do you think that is? It's very
[34:09] predictable really.
[34:12] I'm a student of Ajahn Brahm, so
[34:16] it's AFL.
[34:19] Do you remember what AFL stands for? Can
[34:21] you forget?
[34:22] Here in Victoria it's the home of AFL,
[34:24] isn't it?
[34:26] So it's the Australian Football League.
[34:29] So Ajahn Brahm hasn't really taught
[34:31] about the Australian football league,
[34:32] but he's taught about
[34:35] accepting or acknowledging, that's the
[34:37] A, forgiving, that's the F, and L is the
[34:41] letting go or learning. And I think it's
[34:44] it's a very um
[34:46] easy easily remembered and useful way to
[34:51] approach forgiveness, actually.
[34:58] So,
[35:00] so what is the I, you know?
[35:03] And really this acceptance is is the
[35:05] hard part of forgiveness, really. Hard
[35:08] part of um in our lives.
[35:12] I think when we use this word
[35:14] forgiveness, actually for me,
[35:16] it means almost like letting go. Once we
[35:19] accept something, once we accept
[35:21] ourselves, once we accept others, once
[35:24] we accept situations in life,
[35:27] we can let go. We we don't have to
[35:29] resist, which is
[35:31] the usual um the usual approach. But
[35:35] this acceptance and acknowledging is
[35:38] really driven by two things, and the
[35:40] Buddha calls it the power of reflection,
[35:44] and this is using wisdom to let go of of
[35:48] things, to develop the path, and the
[35:51] power of development. And the power of
[35:54] reflection can be really it's looking at
[35:57] the essence of
[35:59] is this something that's good? Is this
[36:01] something for my benefit and happiness
[36:04] or not?
[36:05] That recognition, that power of wisdom,
[36:08] that power of reflection, is something
[36:11] that is
[36:12] we would think so basic.
[36:16] But [laughter] with our with our power,
[36:18] with our delusions, with our
[36:20] defilements, it can twist everything. It
[36:22] can as it were turn them upside down. We
[36:25] call it vipallasa. So, this power of
[36:28] reflection can recognize those things
[36:31] that actually are of
[36:33] wholesome or good that are leading to
[36:35] happiness and well-being is a real that
[36:38] is real wisdom actually.
[36:41] Um and it's the essence of the path. And
[36:43] of course, the power of development,
[36:45] there's many things in the Buddha's
[36:46] teachings we can develop.
[36:49] And the power of development in this
[36:50] case
[36:52] in terms of forgiveness is, you know,
[36:54] having this metta, loving kindness.
[36:57] Could call it friendliness. And also
[37:00] having compassion or caring. And also
[37:02] having this a joy for other people's
[37:06] happy for their
[37:08] the good qualities and their successes.
[37:11] And also acceptance. So, this is those
[37:14] twin twin aspects, the power of
[37:16] reflection that really uses wisdom and
[37:20] the power of development that's putting
[37:22] them it putting that wisdom into action
[37:25] in a sense.
[37:26] And together they bring this forgiveness
[37:30] and letting go.
[37:32] So, this is
[37:34] And of course, when we acknowledge
[37:36] we
[37:38] acknowledge what has happened, we're
[37:39] clear in our minds. Often times we start
[37:42] to do rewrites. Have you noticed that?
[37:45] And what And actually sometimes the
[37:47] rewrites get worse, don't they? You
[37:49] know,
[37:50] that's the truth of it. And what was And
[37:53] be clear about what was done and said
[37:55] and how we felt is very important. And
[37:58] maybe we even aware of how the other
[38:00] person felt, too.
[38:02] And so, this really
[38:05] um is
[38:07] really very helpful for us because we
[38:09] realize that this has happened. This is
[38:13] finished. It is the past in a sense.
[38:16] And that can be helpful for us in in a
[38:19] way, you You it's just happened. It's
[38:21] over. It's done.
[38:23] Um and it doesn't uh So, this is very
[38:26] helpful for it can be helpful for
[38:29] letting go when we realize, yeah, it's
[38:32] it's finished. It And one of the
[38:35] um teachers that I I listen to, she
[38:38] said, you know, that somebody might slap
[38:41] her once,
[38:43] but that'll only be once. She won't
[38:46] replay it.
[38:48] Because we will What will happen most of
[38:50] us would go we'd be slapped, and then
[38:53] we'd think, "Oh, no, how dare they slap
[38:55] me?" And then it goes on, and she
[38:57] slapped me, and they did the hard
[39:00] and the stories that would go with it,
[39:02] too. So, this ability let to let go of
[39:05] the past is really something we're
[39:07] training in meditation, isn't it? Every
[39:10] sit that we do, every walk that we do,
[39:13] every meditation we do, we are coming to
[39:16] the present moment, letting go of the
[39:18] past, and letting go of the future.
[39:22] Letting go of the past is not that easy.
[39:25] Um
[39:25] uh and really sometimes people think
[39:27] it's basic again, but in fact it's it is
[39:31] a quite quite skillful thing to be able
[39:34] to let go, to be free of the past, to be
[39:37] free of the future.
[39:41] And uh
[39:44] we can always too reflect that
[39:47] that person that hurt us,
[39:50] um whether it be someone else or
[39:52] ourselves, is not always like that. Have
[39:55] you noticed how we sort of freeze do a
[39:59] What do you call it? Freeze frame? You
[40:01] know, we we still we capture us an
[40:03] image, and they're always like that in
[40:05] our minds. Nobody is always like that.
[40:09] And if they were,
[40:11] would change be possible? Would
[40:13] Angulimala have become an arahant? And
[40:16] he was a very unlikely character
[40:19] um to become he was a serial serial
[40:22] killer and he became an arahant. So
[40:25] change is possible, but we tend to as I
[40:28] say freeze or or
[40:31] focus in on a particular time and think
[40:34] they're always like that.
[40:38] And an image that can be very useful
[40:40] when we
[40:43] when somebody is really saying things
[40:46] and doing things that we find difficult.
[40:49] It's very helpful. It's a bit like
[40:52] it's not quite an image, but it's
[40:54] we can think of them as being mad when
[40:57] we're like that we're mad or being
[40:59] really sick. You know, if if you if
[41:03] somebody
[41:04] if somebody really says something
[41:07] terrible to you or does something
[41:09] terrible, but you know, you hear then
[41:12] you hear you hear that oh they're
[41:13] they're in the terminal phase of disease
[41:16] or cancer or whatever. It's
[41:18] extraordinary how you let go once you
[41:21] get a bit more of the context of what
[41:24] the why that person is saying and doing
[41:27] those things.
[41:29] And often it's nothing to do with us.
[41:32] >> [laughter]
[41:32] >> We happen to be around at the time.
[41:34] And uh also as mentioned, you know, that
[41:38] power of reflection allows us to ask
[41:41] ourselves, do I always want to
[41:44] be this grumpy irritated angry depressed
[41:48] anxious person or not? It's up to it's
[41:51] in a certain to a certain extent it's up
[41:53] to us. If we don't want to be like that,
[41:56] then we can focus on cause and
[41:58] conditions that change it. And one of
[42:00] the best
[42:02] uh
[42:03] example for me, cuz examples of
[42:06] forgiveness can be really powerful. And
[42:09] Eva Kor is the one that I often mention.
[42:11] You'll probably go, "Oh, no, here he
[42:13] goes again."
[42:15] >> [panting]
[42:16] >> But, I often mention her. She was a
[42:18] identical twin, and she and her sister
[42:21] were
[42:23] used for medical experiments during the
[42:25] Second World War in in a concentration
[42:28] camp. They were Jewish, and they were in
[42:31] Auschwitz. And both of them the doctor
[42:34] there, Dr. Mengele,
[42:36] I think people have heard of him used to
[42:38] He had a real obsession with
[42:41] um doing experiments on identical twins
[42:44] cuz they they are very good sort of
[42:46] sample to to to check out the results of
[42:50] of of these these experiments. And he'd
[42:53] inject them with viruses, bacteria, and
[42:56] things like that or or other medicines
[42:59] just to see the reaction that would
[43:02] happen, obviously not caring at all that
[43:05] this is great suffering.
[43:07] And she said actually, and this is
[43:09] relates to, you know, recognizing
[43:12] rubbish for rubbish. She said, "Why
[43:15] survive at all if you want to be sad,
[43:19] angry, and hurting?" You know, and I
[43:21] think this really is the is the really
[43:24] driving force but
[43:26] for forgiveness, for forgiving, for
[43:30] letting go. We realize it is rubbish. It
[43:33] isn't for our happiness and well-being.
[43:36] So, this is
[43:38] very powerful teaching that she gave.
[43:40] And she also one of the things I
[43:42] thought, "Wow, yeah, this is a really a
[43:44] good way to see it that when we forgive,
[43:48] we actually have a power. This is a
[43:51] power. We can forgive others. Nobody can
[43:54] take it away from us." And she said that
[43:57] actually, you recall.
[43:59] And she she actually um
[44:01] the her story of forgiveness really was
[44:03] very interesting because in the 1980s,
[44:06] so this is like uh
[44:08] almost 40 40 plus years after the the
[44:13] liberation of Auschwitz in January 20
[44:17] and 40 20 no, 1945
[44:20] January 1945.
[44:23] She went back to Auschwitz and it must
[44:25] have been Can you imagine going to a
[44:27] place like that? It must have taken
[44:29] incredible courage, but
[44:32] it released a lot of things that she had
[44:35] bottled up over the years and she
[44:37] realized there that there was a need to
[44:41] forgive, you know, cuz she as mentioned,
[44:43] she didn't want to be this person that
[44:46] was really imprisoned by the past,
[44:49] imprisoned in anger and all these
[44:52] negative emotions. And so what she did
[44:55] was
[44:57] and it must have been a gradual process.
[44:59] Let's face it 1945 to say 1985 40 years
[45:03] that was processing that, but really
[45:07] wanting to be free of it. And in 1995
[45:11] she actually wrote a letter of
[45:15] forgiveness. She said an
[45:18] amnesty for the Nazis and she which is
[45:21] incredible and she actually gave it to
[45:24] one of the doctors at Auschwitz, but he
[45:27] wasn't one of the doctors who was
[45:29] involved in the medical medical
[45:31] experiments. He was the one he was one
[45:33] of the doctors who was doing the body
[45:35] tally, you know, counting the dead
[45:37] bodies and all that. So but she said as
[45:41] a result of writing this letter it took
[45:43] her months to write it too cuz you can
[45:45] imagine
[45:47] how she would put it, but
[45:49] she said, "But what I discovered for
[45:51] myself was life-changing. I discovered
[45:54] that I had the power to forgive. No one
[45:57] could give me that power and no one
[45:59] could take it away. It was all mine to
[46:02] use in any way I wished. So that's
[46:05] great. That's a really a really good way
[46:08] of looking at it. It's turning the the
[46:12] focus from being a victim, isn't it,
[46:14] into being an agent of power. You know,
[46:17] this is being a powerful experience.
[46:20] And forgiveness is a very powerful
[46:22] experience.
[46:24] And it can also we can use, you know,
[46:26] this power of reflection too for
[46:30] um
[46:32] reflecting too that
[46:34] am I perfect? That's always a good one.
[46:37] >> [laughter]
[46:39] >> And so this makes it easier to forgive
[46:42] others for not being perfect when we
[46:45] realize we're not perfect. So very
[46:47] helpful. There are many many different
[46:50] things that we can can do.
[46:53] And of course, that's the
[46:55] the accepting, that's the acknowledging
[46:57] part of AFL. And the next part is F for
[47:01] forgiveness.
[47:03] And of course
[47:04] for forgiveness
[47:06] it's really good if there's an action
[47:08] that goes with it because that makes it
[47:12] even stronger.
[47:14] So someone like like Eva Kor writing
[47:17] that letter very very powerful for her.
[47:19] Also very difficult.
[47:25] She got heavily criticized for for doing
[47:28] that as you can imagine.
[47:30] Because many people still holding on to
[47:33] that to the past
[47:35] which was very traumatic for them.
[47:38] So
[47:39] I think we can always
[47:42] the most the most effective way to
[47:45] to process forgiveness is to actually do
[47:49] it person to person. Do it directly.
[47:51] Speak it out. And that that is very
[47:54] powerful. But as mentioned, you can
[47:57] write it. It's good. Sometimes
[48:00] we have to do it in our minds because
[48:03] either the person's no longer in our
[48:05] lives, they passed away, or they're
[48:08] they're no we're not in contact anymore.
[48:11] And that way we can but we do it very um
[48:15] you know, visually in our minds. So,
[48:17] this is important thing to settle this
[48:21] unfinished business. So, some sort of
[48:24] action that makes it more real, more
[48:27] powerful.
[48:29] And of course, one of the other aspects
[48:32] and we have this in Vinaya, too. This is
[48:34] for the monks and nuns is
[48:37] uh we uh
[48:39] um yeah, that's
[48:41] we ask for uh as mentioned, we ask for
[48:44] forgiveness quite often. That's quite a
[48:47] a regular thing we do.
[48:49] Um
[48:50] uh and especially when we're parting.
[48:53] And it's always good when we ask we're
[48:56] parting from somebody to forgive the
[48:59] past, let go of the past. And so, we
[49:03] have this this sort of formula or this
[49:05] this is a translation, "Please forgive
[49:07] me for anything I did or said or failed
[49:10] to do or say. That's very powerful, too.
[49:13] Sometimes that hurt you or upset you
[49:16] whether I did them intentionally or
[49:19] unintentionally."
[49:20] And so, that's asking for forgiveness
[49:23] but also giving forgiveness. "I forgive
[49:25] you for anything you did or said or
[49:28] failed to do or say that hurt me or
[49:31] upset me
[49:32] whether you did them intentionally or
[49:35] unintentionally."
[49:36] I always every funeral I do, every
[49:41] memorial service I do, I do forgiveness.
[49:44] I always do a guided forgiveness in
[49:47] there because it's so important. There's
[49:49] always issues from a life. There's
[49:54] always going to be and there's such a
[49:56] skillful way and where why it works at a
[49:59] funeral is because we are bringing first
[50:02] of all making the mind very positive by
[50:06] focusing on the good qualities of that
[50:08] person, bringing up a sort a sense of
[50:11] thankfulness for those good qualities,
[50:14] joy for that good qualities and then the
[50:17] mind is in a a good state for
[50:20] forgiveness, for letting go of the past.
[50:23] There will always be
[50:25] things that need to be forgiven and also
[50:28] in for the monks and nuns there's a way
[50:30] of making amends and I think this is
[50:33] very good for us too. It's a
[50:36] we have first of all we acknowledge it,
[50:38] we open up about what we're
[50:40] acknowledging, we're honest and then we
[50:43] ask forgiveness and then make amends if
[50:47] there is something additional we have to
[50:49] do.
[50:50] And very importantly,
[50:53] determine not to do it again.
[50:56] It's not always easy because we tend to
[50:59] be as
[51:01] as mentioned we've got these habits in
[51:03] the mind, conditioning in the mind. And
[51:07] that that often plays out again and
[51:10] again.
[51:11] So now continues uh
[51:14] Talking of which, I will tell the story
[51:17] of Nasrudin. One day Nasrudin who was a
[51:21] Sufi um
[51:22] Sufi teacher, he was a bit of a
[51:25] a scallywag as Sargent Brom would say.
[51:28] >> [laughter]
[51:29] >> And he one day he was galloping through
[51:32] the village. I don't know if you gallop
[51:33] on a donkey. He has a donkey. Anyway, he
[51:36] was galloping through the village on the
[51:38] donkey and one of his friends in the
[51:40] village shouted out to him, "Nasrudin,
[51:43] where are you going?"
[51:46] And then Nasrudin said,
[51:48] "Ask the donkey."
[51:52] And of course the donkey is our habits.
[51:54] It represents our habits. The And you
[51:57] know, these some of them can be desires,
[51:59] but habits that we have, these this
[52:01] conditioning that we have that tends to
[52:04] run us in a particular direction, almost
[52:08] sometimes against our will. And this is
[52:11] why sati mindfulness is so important
[52:13] because it can, as it were, cut across
[52:16] some of our habits or make us aware that
[52:19] there's a habit uh occurring. Make us
[52:23] aware, maybe time to change the channel.
[52:27] So, there we are. And now just to move
[52:29] on to
[52:30] uh learn, so we can
[52:32] uh L. So, we've had accept, acknowledge,
[52:35] and then forgive. As I mentioned, you
[52:38] know, when we can accept, then
[52:41] forgiveness is very natural. It will
[52:44] happen actually. And then what we
[52:46] learned from that experience, or as
[52:49] Ajahn Brahm also says, uh letting go.
[52:52] And we can learn so so much from it from
[52:56] the experience of forgiving. Uh we can
[52:59] feel, of course, most people when uh we
[53:03] we forgive, we feel so much better. We
[53:07] feel a lot lighter and happier and
[53:09] relieved and less burdened. And uh and
[53:14] the mind is much healthier.
[53:16] And
[53:18] again to mention what
[53:20] uh Eva Kor experienced as what she
[53:23] learned from it. She's
[53:24] This was particularly referring to
[53:27] writing that letter of forgiveness. She
[53:29] said, "Uh it is an act of self-healing,
[53:32] self-liberation,
[53:34] self-empowerment."
[53:36] There we are. A lot of self there, isn't
[53:38] there?
[53:39] >> [laughter]
[53:39] >> But anyway. And then
[53:41] she said, "And this is a very good one,
[53:43] and it's we all recognize this as as a
[53:46] truth, we cannot change what happened.
[53:49] This is the power of recognizing this,
[53:52] but we can change how we relate to it.
[53:55] We cannot change what happened. She
[53:56] can't change She couldn't change what
[53:59] her experience was in the concentration
[54:01] camp, but how she related to it, she
[54:04] could. She
[54:06] was not one of these people who would,
[54:09] you know, we have in English the saying
[54:10] forget and forgive, isn't it?
[54:12] And she said she would not forget, but
[54:15] she can forgive. And she was quite
[54:18] incredible. She established a Holocaust
[54:21] museum in her hometown in the US,
[54:23] and was a great, you know, well-known
[54:27] speaker about forgiveness, really. But
[54:31] she also said, and I think this is very
[54:33] true for us, too, that uh
[54:36] uh she forgave the not She said,
[54:39] Nazis, not because they deserved it, but
[54:42] because
[54:43] she deserved it. And it's the same for
[54:46] us. We deserve forgiveness. When we give
[54:49] forgiveness, we will
[54:52] we will experience that the results. And
[54:55] she said the day she forgave the the
[54:57] Nazis, privately she forgave her parents
[55:01] cuz her parents, they died in the gas
[55:03] chambers, but for not being able to, you
[55:07] know, protect her and her sister Miriam
[55:10] from Auschwitz. And and she said, and
[55:14] we're so complicated as hu- human
[55:16] beings. I thought, this is so true of
[55:18] all of us. And then she said, then she
[55:20] forgave herself for for hating her
[55:23] parents for their inability to save her
[55:27] from that experience.
[55:29] So, this is this is what we can learn
[55:32] from forgiveness. If you're interested
[55:35] in at all in that Eva Kor experience, I
[55:38] think this one is a good one. It's
[55:40] called I Survived the Holocaust Twin
[55:43] Experiments.
[55:44] I Survived the Holocaust Twin
[55:46] Experiments. I've got a
[55:48] I've got a link for it. You can go into
[55:51] the chat if it's a good idea. So, this
[55:54] is something
[55:56] that she learned, but it's for us, too.
[55:58] It's very liberating for us when we
[56:00] forgive. And it's a very good mental
[56:03] habit. As mentioned, if we never threw
[56:06] the rubbish out, the physical rubbish,
[56:09] wow, we would have a health problem on
[56:11] our hands, to say the least. So, this is
[56:15] what we can do. And of course, the more
[56:18] we do it, the quicker it will become,
[56:21] the easier it will become, the lighter
[56:23] will
[56:24] these things will be on our mind. They
[56:28] will actually Some people like to do it
[56:30] every day, maybe in the evening, but I
[56:32] think just before you go to bed might be
[56:34] not the best time.
[56:36] >> [laughter]
[56:37] >> If it really works, then that's fine.
[56:39] And you But even then, it may make it
[56:41] difficult to sleep. Otherwise, one may
[56:44] be going over things. So, this is what
[56:48] we can do, you know, with forgiveness.
[56:50] And I like to do just a very short
[56:53] forgiveness meditation. And so, just 5
[56:57] minutes or something, and then we can
[56:59] finish off.
[57:06] And we can
[57:08] close the eyes if we wish, or half close
[57:10] them.
[57:12] And come into the present moment. Just
[57:14] be with the body for the moment. Just
[57:17] see if it needs adjustment.
[57:21] The legs, the knees, the hands.
[57:32] And we can relax the body mentally,
[57:35] starting at the top of the head.
[57:38] And moving down the body for the head,
[57:40] the face, and the neck.
[57:43] Giving
[57:45] these areas
[57:47] a mental massage with this sort of
[57:50] kindness, this warmth, this caring.
[57:58] And then moving to the
[58:00] uh
[58:01] shoulders, the left and the right
[58:03] shoulder.
[58:04] Down the arms to the hands and the
[58:06] fingers, giving them this really
[58:09] uh
[58:10] gentle
[58:12] deep mental massage.
[58:15] Really relaxing them, soothing them
[58:18] right down to the fingertips.
[58:32] And now bringing to mind the chest, the
[58:35] stomach, and the abdomen.
[58:37] And giving those areas, just below the
[58:40] shoulders, giving those areas this
[58:42] mental massage.
[58:44] Healing.
[58:48] Soothing.
[58:51] Caring for those areas.
[59:02] And now bringing to mind the legs,
[59:04] starting at the top of the legs and
[59:06] moving our attention down the legs to
[59:08] the feet and toes.
[59:10] And giving the legs, one at a time
[59:13] perhaps,
[59:14] a mental massage. This really caring,
[59:19] kind, soothing,
[59:21] warm mental massage.
[59:40] >> And now we can experience the whole body
[59:42] sitting here in the present moment.
[59:47] And
[59:51] we can bring to mind someone or
[59:54] something
[59:55] that brings up this warm feeling of
[59:58] kindness,
[1:00:00] friendliness,
[1:00:02] safety, security,
[1:00:04] openness.
[1:00:06] It might be a dear friend, a family
[1:00:10] member, a grandparent,
[1:00:14] or it might be even a pet,
[1:00:18] or something some something imaginary
[1:00:22] like Ajahn Brahm's little kitten.
[1:00:27] Just bringing to mind
[1:00:29] some someone or something
[1:00:33] that has a real association of this for
[1:00:36] easily starts this feeling of
[1:00:38] friendliness, kindness,
[1:00:42] acceptance.
[1:01:02] And if this feeling if a feeling has
[1:01:05] come up for you, just to as it were
[1:01:07] focus on it gently or go into it as it
[1:01:11] were
[1:01:12] and allow it
[1:01:13] to
[1:01:15] ripple through
[1:01:17] our being.
[1:01:19] Like when we throw a stone into a pond
[1:01:22] and it ripples
[1:01:24] throughout the whole pond.
[1:01:27] This feeling of warmth, safety, and
[1:01:30] security.
[1:01:47] And now, when the breath
[1:01:50] comes to our attention,
[1:01:53] we can breathe in giving this
[1:01:55] warm feeling
[1:01:57] of friendliness,
[1:02:00] of caring, of acceptance
[1:02:06] to the breath as it comes in
[1:02:10] and to the breath as it goes out.
[1:02:25] Giving it to the world.
[1:02:28] Giving it to ourselves.
[1:02:30] Giving it to the world.
[1:02:32] Breathing in
[1:02:35] this
[1:02:36] kindness, friendliness, openness,
[1:02:39] acceptance, security,
[1:02:42] and breathing it out
[1:02:44] to the world.
[1:03:09] And now, we can share that with
[1:03:11] ourselves to begin with.
[1:03:14] This warmth, openness,
[1:03:16] sense of safety,
[1:03:19] and friendliness.
[1:03:27] Filling ourselves with it.
[1:03:38] And we can forgive ourselves. I I
[1:03:42] forgive you
[1:03:43] for anything you did or said or thought
[1:03:48] that
[1:03:49] or didn't say or do or think
[1:03:53] that upset my
[1:03:55] upset you
[1:03:57] or hurt you, whether whether
[1:04:00] deliberately or
[1:04:02] unintentionally.
[1:04:13] And then we can do the other side.
[1:04:18] I forgive you
[1:04:20] for anything
[1:04:22] you did, said,
[1:04:24] or thought
[1:04:26] that upset or hurt me,
[1:04:29] whether you did it deliberately or
[1:04:31] or unintentionally.
[1:04:38] I forgive you.
[1:04:47] And then we can share
[1:04:49] this feeling of meta, kindness,
[1:04:54] friendliness, warmth with all those we
[1:04:57] all those people and beings we're close
[1:05:00] to,
[1:05:01] family, friends, pets.
[1:05:08] And we can give forgiveness to them.
[1:05:12] I forgive you
[1:05:14] for anything you did
[1:05:16] or said
[1:05:20] that upset or hurt me
[1:05:24] whether you did it deliberately or not.
[1:05:34] And then the other side, isn't it?
[1:05:37] Please forgive me for anything I did
[1:05:40] or said
[1:05:43] or failed to do or say
[1:05:46] that upset you
[1:05:50] or hurt you
[1:05:52] whether I did it
[1:05:53] intentionally or unintentionally.
[1:06:02] >> [cough and clears throat]
[1:06:13] >> And then we can move on and share this
[1:06:17] meta, this kindness, friendliness with
[1:06:20] everyone here
[1:06:22] and with all beings everywhere for their
[1:06:25] happiness
[1:06:27] for their well-being, their freedom,
[1:06:29] their lightness.
[1:06:38] And we can
[1:06:39] have the aspiration to develop more of
[1:06:42] this forgiveness, this letting go,
[1:06:45] freeing ourselves
[1:06:47] from past hurts.
[1:06:53] And giving this
[1:06:56] forgiveness to others, asking for
[1:06:58] forgiveness from others, and giving it
[1:07:01] to them.
[1:07:09] And now we can slowly come out of
[1:07:11] meditation
[1:07:13] and open our eyes.
[1:07:24] So I just like to finish with
[1:07:27] So I hope hope people found that uh
[1:07:30] useful. And just [clears throat] to um
[1:07:33] maybe the takeaway from today is
[1:07:37] let's empty the wheelie bins.
[1:07:40] Make sure we do it regularly. Otherwise,
[1:07:43] our minds will become smelly and
[1:07:45] unhygienic
[1:07:47] and also very unpleasant experience for
[1:07:50] us and for others around us as well. So
[1:07:53] I'd like to finish there with that
[1:07:55] encouragement.
[1:07:58] Can you hear?
[1:08:00] There we are.
[1:08:04] >> Thank you, Ajahn, for such a
[1:08:07] wonderful talk and also the meditation.
[1:08:11] Uh we shall perhaps take a couple of
[1:08:13] questions, uh maybe beginning from the
[1:08:15] room.
[1:08:17] Thank you, Dr. Ajahn.
[1:08:22] >> Hello, Dr. Ajahn. Good morning.
[1:08:24] >> Thank you, Ajahn, for the
[1:08:25] >> Yeah.
[1:08:25] >> good uh discourse. We don't have
[1:08:29] to add some discussion into the talk.
[1:08:31] >> Yeah.
[1:08:32] >> Uh
[1:08:33] there are two parties, the person who's
[1:08:35] >> asking for forgiveness and person who's
[1:08:37] giving the forgiveness.
[1:08:40] The person who's asking the forgiveness,
[1:08:42] of course, is a expression of humility
[1:08:45] and willingness to
[1:08:46] >> Mhm.
[1:08:47] >> correct from unskillful behavior to a
[1:08:50] skillful behavior.
[1:08:53] Other side of the coin is that look at
[1:08:55] the mind state of the person who's
[1:08:57] asking.
[1:08:59] He thinks this person must be thinking
[1:09:01] I'm a bad person.
[1:09:03] I may have not have done something bad
[1:09:05] willfully.
[1:09:07] My reputation needs to be tarnished.
[1:09:10] Someone must correct this.
[1:09:11] >> Mhm. Okay.
[1:09:12] >> So, a bit of a
[1:09:14] self-view
[1:09:16] and one bit of filing of the ego.
[1:09:19] >> Yeah.
[1:09:20] >> In that process.
[1:09:22] But the person who is giving
[1:09:25] is getting rid of the ill will,
[1:09:27] >> Mhm.
[1:09:27] >> anger, [clears throat]
[1:09:28] and all that.
[1:09:29] >> Mhm.
[1:09:31] >> So, he is the real beneficiary of this
[1:09:33] process
[1:09:34] >> Mhm.
[1:09:35] >> in the spiritual path.
[1:09:37] I think Buddha
[1:09:39] said this, uh, I mean,
[1:09:41] advised monks do this
[1:09:43] mainly to maintain the harmony among
[1:09:46] themselves
[1:09:47] >> Yeah.
[1:09:47] >> in a community of monks who live
[1:09:49] together
[1:09:49] >> Yeah.
[1:09:50] >> because ill will [snorts] is a bad thing
[1:09:52] for harmony.
[1:09:53] >> Mhm.
[1:09:53] >> Because this process obviously
[1:09:56] increase the community harmony.
[1:09:58] So, real beneficiary of in the spiritual
[1:10:00] path is the person who is giving
[1:10:02] forgiveness, not the person who is
[1:10:04] asking for forgiveness. It's like asking
[1:10:06] for alms. Who the
[1:10:08] person who is giving alms is benefiting?
[1:10:11] The person who is asking for alms, he's
[1:10:13] showing humility.
[1:10:14] >> Mhm.
[1:10:14] >> [clears throat]
[1:10:15] >> Yeah, that's very true. I think it's a a
[1:10:18] dual process actually, uh, Dr. Jay. And
[1:10:21] we will be in the situation. We will
[1:10:24] need to ask for forgiveness. We will
[1:10:26] have made mistakes. We'll have done
[1:10:28] things that are unskillful. This is
[1:10:30] actually a very positive thing to
[1:10:32] recognize
[1:10:33] that, you know, our part in in a
[1:10:35] situation. So, this is actually wisdom.
[1:10:38] This is the power of reflection, power
[1:10:40] of development. And as you said, it does
[1:10:43] it's an act of humility, but it's also
[1:10:45] an act of, um, you know, powerful.
[1:10:48] Really takes courage. It takes courage
[1:10:50] to ask for forgiveness, to realize that,
[1:10:53] you know, we have done or said or
[1:10:56] thought something that was really uh
[1:10:58] hurtful, um that really upset others.
[1:11:02] Um it's always good to reflect that some
[1:11:05] often times we'll say and do things that
[1:11:07] are not intended to upset others, but
[1:11:10] they do get upset. Have you heard
[1:11:12] Somebody told me yesterday, you know,
[1:11:14] they one of the teens I did the
[1:11:16] forgiveness with teens yesterday. They
[1:11:19] said, "I gave this compliment to this
[1:11:21] person and they really got angry."
[1:11:23] >> [laughter]
[1:11:25] >> And I said, "Did they realize it was
[1:11:26] genuine?" Cuz I thought, you know, they
[1:11:28] might think you're sending me up or
[1:11:30] something, you know. But uh he said,
[1:11:32] "No, well, he was genuine, but anyway,
[1:11:34] you know, so." But the other other part
[1:11:37] of asking forgiveness is very important
[1:11:38] and we will have to do that on uh
[1:11:41] occasions, probably.
[1:11:43] Um it's going to be quite an ongoing
[1:11:45] thing, but giving forgiveness is also
[1:11:48] very important. Um and both of these
[1:11:50] processes we need to do. It's not just
[1:11:54] one. Um and and they're both very
[1:11:57] beneficial, you know, asking
[1:11:58] forgiveness, that recognition, that uh
[1:12:02] um using the power of reflection that
[1:12:04] something's not good, and then the power
[1:12:06] of development to forgive, to ask for
[1:12:09] forgiveness. And then the second one,
[1:12:11] too, you know, giving forgiveness when
[1:12:14] others have offended us, hurt us, upset
[1:12:16] us. Uh very important, too, rather than
[1:12:20] hanging on to it, then allowing these
[1:12:23] negative emotions to fester,
[1:12:26] which they they can quite badly. So,
[1:12:28] thanks for that reflection. And
[1:12:30] you know, when I was preparing for this
[1:12:32] talk, I really would like to have done
[1:12:35] uh and I may do it in the next one. I
[1:12:37] have done it before, the Kosambi
[1:12:39] um sutta. And this is where the monks
[1:12:43] community in the city of Kosambi had
[1:12:46] this big dispute, and the Buddha, he uh
[1:12:49] the teachings he gave, lovely, to bring
[1:12:52] them together. He said, "You know, when
[1:12:54] you're saying these angry words and they
[1:12:57] even came to blows." He said, "Have you
[1:12:59] forgotten monks about patience? Have you
[1:13:03] forgotten monks about gentleness?"
[1:13:06] And of course they said, "Yes, we have,
[1:13:07] blessed one."
[1:13:09] But he you know, I thought, "Wow." But
[1:13:11] it was beautiful teachings and he gave
[1:13:13] stories. He gave some of these very very
[1:13:16] Digha Nikaya
[1:13:18] story. He gave many many stories about
[1:13:20] the power of forgiveness and oh, it's
[1:13:23] really beautiful actually and it's a
[1:13:25] very powerful one. So, that's another
[1:13:27] talk anyway. So, thank you Dr. Jarrod
[1:13:29] for that. That's great.
[1:13:31] >> If anything on the line, any complaints?
[1:13:33] >> Um yeah, you So, you have a comment from
[1:13:36] uh Florida in the US that says, "Yay
[1:13:38] Naziruddin."
[1:13:40] Uh but there is a there is a question
[1:13:42] from someone else that says, um "Thank
[1:13:44] you Ajahn.
[1:13:45] When there is an emotional response to
[1:13:48] an incident, we uh taught to sit with
[1:13:52] the discomfort.
[1:13:53] Do we sit with the discomfort or do we
[1:13:55] let go? I get confused.
[1:13:58] >> Ah, right.
[1:14:00] Well, hopefully um you know, the sitting
[1:14:03] with the discomfort will lead to the
[1:14:05] letting go.
[1:14:07] Um if we have the letting go, there
[1:14:09] won't be discomfort actually. So,
[1:14:12] really this is
[1:14:14] um
[1:14:15] this is a means to um to let go really
[1:14:19] is when we sit with it.
[1:14:22] Because um as I came often said and she
[1:14:25] had a she had a different formula. Hers
[1:14:27] was recognition
[1:14:30] no blame, change.
[1:14:32] Often we move away from um unpleasant uh
[1:14:38] feelings that we get from uh others'
[1:14:40] words and their actions. And so, we we
[1:14:44] tend to move away. We're always trying
[1:14:47] to run away from Dukkha. This is a truth
[1:14:49] of it.
[1:14:50] >> [gasps]
[1:14:51] >> And by blaming others, you know, we
[1:14:53] blame them. Oh, you know, it's their
[1:14:55] fault and you know, and yet we don't
[1:14:58] see, you know, our part in it, you know,
[1:15:01] that really these words, these actions
[1:15:05] are just triggers
[1:15:08] that have triggered these emotions in
[1:15:09] me. They And in a person who's really
[1:15:12] developed the path, it's not possible.
[1:15:15] They won't won't react like that. They
[1:15:17] won't be triggers. Person who's
[1:15:19] developed the path is removing the
[1:15:21] triggers. They're taking away the
[1:15:23] buttons that others can press.
[1:15:26] So, this is you know, this is the good
[1:15:28] news with it. So, this is part of it,
[1:15:31] you know, being able to sit with
[1:15:33] uncomfortable
[1:15:35] feelings and emotions is actually
[1:15:37] something that is a bit of a training
[1:15:39] and we can learn from. And if we get if
[1:15:42] we understand it, if we use this power
[1:15:45] of reflection inside really, then we can
[1:15:48] let go. And we'll feel that. So, but
[1:15:52] normally anything slightly unpleasant or
[1:15:56] painful, we'll move away from it in a
[1:15:59] flash
[1:16:00] >> [laughter]
[1:16:00] >> and not learn too much about it.
[1:16:03] >> We have time for perhaps one quick Oh,
[1:16:06] there we go.
[1:16:07] >> There we are. Yeah, it's
[1:16:09] good. Oh, hello. Yeah, good.
[1:16:11] >> Thank you for a beautiful talk.
[1:16:13] So,
[1:16:15] I have done a bit of personal
[1:16:18] development work in
[1:16:21] a kind of newer field that is a lot
[1:16:23] about expressing emotions that are
[1:16:26] either alive in the present moment or
[1:16:29] digging up things from the past, but
[1:16:31] actually allowing the suppressed maybe
[1:16:35] hurt [clears throat] or anger
[1:16:38] to be
[1:16:39] expressed in a healthy, safe environment
[1:16:44] under the
[1:16:45] uh pre-idea that
[1:16:47] >> Mhm.
[1:16:47] >> it's the anger and the emotion can get
[1:16:50] stored in the physical body.
[1:16:52] >> Mhm.
[1:16:52] >> Not just the mind.
[1:16:54] >> Yeah.
[1:16:54] >> And I'm hearing that this ability to sit
[1:16:56] with discomfort and shift the
[1:16:58] perspective and through insight allow
[1:17:02] alchemy of that discomfort.
[1:17:04] >> Yeah.
[1:17:04] >> Uh
[1:17:05] could you talk a little bit to your
[1:17:07] perspective or the Buddhist perspective
[1:17:09] on the nuances of
[1:17:11] uh kind of expressing but not feeding
[1:17:13] those seeds that
[1:17:15] >> Yeah.
[1:17:15] >> Is that Can that be healthy to help move
[1:17:18] it and then shift the perspective or is
[1:17:20] it always about
[1:17:21] >> Oh, right.
[1:17:22] >> allowing it to kind of
[1:17:23] >> Yes.
[1:17:24] >> change the mind.
[1:17:26] >> Yeah.
[1:17:27] >> Yeah.
[1:17:28] >> Yeah.
[1:17:29] I think it's a good question. I think
[1:17:31] it's
[1:17:32] Yes, whether we It's a way
[1:17:35] What you're talking about is
[1:17:36] acknowledging what happened, really
[1:17:38] acknowledging. And it's really a um a
[1:17:41] thin line.
[1:17:43] If we
[1:17:44] acknowledge what's happened, that's
[1:17:46] fine. But if we keep repeating it as it
[1:17:49] were, it's actually making that
[1:17:52] experience stronger in the mind, our
[1:17:55] reaction stronger in the mind. And I
[1:17:59] From what I hear for people have
[1:18:01] post-traumatic stress disorder, you
[1:18:04] know, just going over things is the big
[1:18:06] problem, actually, you know.
[1:18:08] So, bringing it up again won't work for
[1:18:11] them, actually, I don't think. They've
[1:18:13] got to move on.
[1:18:16] So, this This is
[1:18:18] It is very important to be clear about
[1:18:21] what's happened, but not to keep
[1:18:22] rehearsing it. That's the whole point.
[1:18:25] Cuz the Buddha is really about
[1:18:28] recognizing what the situation is and
[1:18:31] then moving the attention to something
[1:18:34] that
[1:18:35] can lead to
[1:18:38] It's usually the opposite sort of
[1:18:39] direction. You know, the opposite
[1:18:41] emotion. So, so for instance with all
[1:18:44] that anger and you know, the Buddha says
[1:18:48] if we if we give attention to
[1:18:51] to the ill will be a part of anger
[1:18:57] or irritation annoyance, then we have
[1:19:00] abandoned
[1:19:02] giving attention to kindness to
[1:19:05] friendliness and all this and all that.
[1:19:07] So, he it's really it's a it's a
[1:19:09] balancing act because you have to
[1:19:10] acknowledge otherwise you end up with
[1:19:13] this pretending.
[1:19:14] >> [laughter]
[1:19:15] >> You know, and you do get this cosmetic
[1:19:17] approach that meta can encourage. Oh,
[1:19:19] everything's beautiful. You know,
[1:19:20] everything's beautiful.
[1:19:22] And one of my teachers said this is a
[1:19:24] bit like cosmetic meta by putting a
[1:19:27] band-aid over something but it's not
[1:19:29] really addressed it at all. So,
[1:19:32] acknowledging it's always a balancing
[1:19:34] act acknowledging it but shifting the
[1:19:36] mind in a direction that will heal it
[1:19:39] and will become the focus. We are
[1:19:42] working on a model as
[1:19:45] as Dr. Jaya said of this I, me, and
[1:19:48] myself. And this I, me, and myself is
[1:19:51] not really what's running the show.
[1:19:54] What's running the show is training the
[1:19:57] mind, programming the mind, realizing
[1:20:01] that yes, we are agents in this process.
[1:20:05] We can incline towards the Buddha's
[1:20:07] training
[1:20:09] or we or not. You know, we have that
[1:20:11] choice as it were.
[1:20:13] But to a certain extent we're probably
[1:20:15] already conditioned to we may have had
[1:20:17] experience from past lives so we
[1:20:19] inclined that way.
[1:20:20] So, it's really not the sense of one of
[1:20:23] the big problems with
[1:20:26] with some of the ways we approach things
[1:20:29] is that we come from the sense of I, me,
[1:20:31] and myself, thinking that this is what's
[1:20:34] responsible for change, what's going to
[1:20:37] make the difference. But really, it's
[1:20:39] getting the causes and conditions right.
[1:20:42] This is the reprogramming.
[1:20:45] And that is
[1:20:47] And that once once you realize that,
[1:20:49] that's what the stream enter has seen,
[1:20:51] that it's not an I, me, and myself
[1:20:53] running this show, it's a process, a
[1:20:55] cause and effect, you know, that's
[1:20:57] running the show. And then, you know,
[1:21:00] all that sort of disappointment and
[1:21:02] self-blaming can go out the window. We
[1:21:04] can just aim towards conditioning
[1:21:08] >> [snorts]
[1:21:09] >> that will bring about the causes that
[1:21:12] will bring about the results. So, this
[1:21:15] is, yeah, some ways we can look at it.
[1:21:18] All right. Thank you very much. Thanks
[1:21:20] for that. Hope it was okay.
[1:21:23] Morning, Wendy.
[1:21:23] >> Morning, Ajahn. Thanks very much for uh
[1:21:26] giving today's talk and the Q&A
[1:21:30] session as well. And just some
[1:21:31] announcements as usual. Um
[1:21:35] at the 2026 AGM, there were a number of
[1:21:38] changes to the constitutions that were
[1:21:40] tabled and the motions passed. Since
[1:21:42] then, unfortunately, it has been
[1:21:44] identified that two requirements, being
[1:21:46] the notice period and the prior approval
[1:21:48] from Ajahn Brahm, were not satisfied. It
[1:21:51] was an unfortunate oversight. However,
[1:21:53] these deficiencies are unable to be
[1:21:55] satisfied post fact. So, the changes um
[1:22:00] are to be nullified and the constitution
[1:22:02] prior to those changes stands. Most of
[1:22:05] the changes were actually about renaming
[1:22:07] membership names, so not particularly
[1:22:08] significant. However, one of the um
[1:22:11] resolutions related to changing the
[1:22:14] lapse period for non-payment of
[1:22:16] membership uh fees from 2 years to 1,
[1:22:19] um
[1:22:20] after which it would not be renewable.
[1:22:22] Um nullification preserves a greater
[1:22:24] right of the membership, so I guess from
[1:22:26] a fairness standpoint, as well as
[1:22:28] ensuring um
[1:22:30] constitutional and legislative
[1:22:32] requirements are met, nullification is
[1:22:34] the best way forward. If anyone has any
[1:22:37] questions, please don't hesitate to see
[1:22:40] me. I'll assist as best I can.
[1:22:43] Um
[1:22:44] On other announcements, the SGM is next
[1:22:48] Sunday, 12:15 to 1:30 p.m. And it will
[1:22:52] happen directly after the communal
[1:22:54] lunch. Um Doors open for registration at
[1:22:58] 12. So, if to arrive, we'll make sure
[1:23:00] that you get your pass. Um proxies to be
[1:23:05] received by me by Friday, 23rd October,
[1:23:09] noon. Um because of the date of the SGM,
[1:23:13] the Kalyanamitta cleaning day, which is
[1:23:15] usually scheduled for
[1:23:17] the third the sorry, the last Sunday of
[1:23:19] the month, will not happen. However, we
[1:23:21] are
[1:23:22] just given the summer months and the
[1:23:24] grass growing much faster, we are hoping
[1:23:27] for
[1:23:28] the following week to have a bit of a
[1:23:30] replacement Kalyanamitta Kalyanamitta
[1:23:33] cleaning day. Um
[1:23:36] Next one is just a reminder the robe
[1:23:38] offering ceremony is on the 15th of
[1:23:41] November.
[1:23:42] There was a special Kathina newsletter
[1:23:44] that went out
[1:23:45] yesterday or as I say, Thursday. Um
[1:23:50] That's the main things. Any questions
[1:23:52] though, please reach out. Um in terms of
[1:23:56] upcoming retreats, we're towards the
[1:23:58] back end of Vassa, but um there's still
[1:24:02] >> [laughter]
[1:24:02] >> There there it is.
[1:24:03] The next one.
[1:24:05] >> Um there's still I guess self-retreats
[1:24:08] uh
[1:24:08] that
[1:24:09] minimum of 1 week requirement. If you're
[1:24:11] interested, please go to the website.
[1:24:14] Bhante Joe's retreat on the 30th to the
[1:24:16] 4th of So, sorry, 30th October to 4th
[1:24:19] November is fully booked, but the
[1:24:20] waitlist is open.
[1:24:22] And Ajahn Chundo and Bodhi Duggirala's
[1:24:25] retreat on the 27th November to 2nd of
[1:24:27] December is open for registrations.
[1:24:31] And Monday night meditation is Ajahn
[1:24:33] Nyanasara again. Thank you.
[1:24:34] >> Guess what?
[1:24:36] For giving us
[1:24:37] >> And next week
[1:24:39] >> [laughter]
[1:24:39] >> the teachings will be led on Sunday and
[1:24:42] Monday night both by Ajahn Suddhiro.
[1:24:45] On that note, Ajahn, did you have any
[1:24:46] announcements yourself?
[1:24:48] >> No, that's fine. I think I've got
[1:24:49] transport for Tuesday cuz someone did a
[1:24:52] offer a while ago, so yeah.
[1:24:54] If it's still going, yeah. All right,
[1:24:57] thank you. And now we can just pay
[1:24:59] respects to those who'd like to to the
[1:25:01] Buddha, Dhamma, and Sangha. Maybe we can
[1:25:02] do the chant. I don't do this very
[1:25:05] often, I always do it at the monastery,
[1:25:07] but cuz many people don't know it, but
[1:25:09] you catch on to it pretty quick. It's in
[1:25:11] Pali.
[1:25:12] >> And once we finish doing the closing led
[1:25:15] by Ajahn Nyanasara, if we can please
[1:25:17] allow Ajahn to please leave the hall
[1:25:19] first and then
[1:25:21] later to you to follow thereafter. Thank
[1:25:23] you.
[1:25:24] >> All right, thanks. I'll try and speed
[1:25:25] up.
[1:25:27] >> Sorry, one last one. I found a set of
[1:25:29] keys. If anyone is missing a set of
[1:25:31] keys, please come and see me. Thank you.
[1:25:34] >> They'll probably know just when they go
[1:25:35] to the car, I think.
[1:25:49] >> [singing]
[1:26:07] [singing]
[1:26:17] >> All right.
[1:26:18] >> All right.