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Why Attachment Fades Slowly: Advaita Q&A on Ego and Self

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Swami Tadatmananda
Oct 18, 2026
10 min read

From ArshaBodha - Swami Tadatmananda

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Partway through a weekly satsang at the Arsha Bodha Center, a question arrives from the live chat and the room laughs before the answer does. Subhashini, writing from Mumbai, asks why it is so difficult to reduce attachment and identification in life. The teacher, Swami Tadatmananda, answers by asking her a question back: how many years have you been identified with your body, your mind, your family and your parents? "You don't know?" he says, and the room laughs again. That exchange is the talk in miniature. Across fifty-five minutes of questions sent from Vancouver, Spain, Pondicherry and the local hall on October 18, 2026, he works through the ego as a sense of separate individuality, the limits of self-inquiry, why struggling against attachment is itself a worldly activity, and what the mind can and cannot tell us about the self. The thread running through all of it is a claim that unsettles most spiritual striving: you already are what you are trying to become.

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Why does attachment take so long to loosen?

The first question, at the 1:00 mark of the video, is the one almost every serious student eventually asks. The teacher's reply is blunt. Unless you are enlightened, he says, you will experience identification, attachment and the suffering that comes with them. Then he turns the question around. If you have been identified with body and mind for decades, why would it dissolve in a year of practice?

The arithmetic is the point. He notes that the questioner has spent years, and perhaps a couple of years in intense self-inquiry, and asks which will have more effect. His answer is not despairing. "It doesn't mean that it's impossible," he says, but it shows that only with intense Atma Vichara, self-enquiry, does a person stand a chance of overcoming identification. He speaks from his own experience: "it comes, but it doesn't come quickly." Then he adds the sentence that sets the tone for the rest of the evening: it certainly does not arrive the way one expects a sudden insight to arrive. It takes a long, patient inquiry into the question of who is aware of all these identifications.

Do babies have an ego?

At 2:29 a student writing from Vancouver asks whether infants have ego, and if not, where it comes from. The teacher starts with vocabulary, which matters in Advaita Vedanta. "Ego" is a loose English translation of the Sanskrit term ahankara. In everyday Hindi, he points out, the word carries the sense of pride. In Advaita it is a technical term with a precise meaning: the feeling that "I am me," an individual being, identified with a body and mind.

Measured against that definition, babies do not seem to have it. He describes an infant that cannot tell where it ends and its mother begins. Developmental psychology, he notes, tracks a sequence of milestones in a child's growth, and attaining a sense of individuality and differentiation is perhaps one of the earliest. In this reading, ahankara is not a fixed inborn essence but something that sprouts. That reframing matters for practice, because it means the sense of being a separate self has a beginning, which is also a reason to suspect it is not the final truth about who you are.

"What it looks like is that a baby can't tell the difference between itself and mother. Where does a baby end, and where does mother begin? There's not any differentiation."

Swami Tadatmananda, weekly satsang Q&A, 18 October 2026 (2:29)

How do you balance yoga practice with Advaita Vedanta?

The longest exchange in the early part of the session comes from a yoga teacher in Spain, a Stefano who lives in the Spanish mainland and is Italian by origin. He is troubled. His work is teaching modern postural yoga, and yet Advaita Vedanta is the sincere center of his life. He sees much of what is marketed as yoga focusing only on the most superficial aspects of asana, on physical perfection and performance. He asks whether he should actively respond to the misinformation, promote traditional yoga more openly, or simply keep his own path and teach sincerely.

The teacher's answer is pragmatic and, for a Western yoga teacher, gently pointed. He acknowledges the commercial reality: a Western yoga teacher's classes are, by his estimate, largely full of young women who want to look and feel good, and he does not dismiss that. Better that people come to yoga for well-being than to a gym, he says, because yoga carries an additional benefit. He also jokes about yoga competitions, where practitioners perform asanas on stage, and calls the idea mind-boggling.

His counsel is not to torch a livelihood. Quitting a career, he suggests, would not help anyone's practice of Advaita. What he asks instead is that teachers place asana in its proper context. The teaching comes from the ancient rishis, he reminds, and the ultimate purpose of asana is to prepare the body for meditation, a distinctly spiritual path rather than a contest of physical perfection. Telling students this gently, at appropriate times, would not empty a studio. It would fulfill a responsibility that yoga teachers do bear.

Can you become what you already are?

The most striking passage of the evening arrives at 9:52, when a student from Pondicherry, Thakur, writes that it is hard to detach from the body and mind imposed by nature and hard to become one with one's true nature. The teacher reaches for a traditional image from Indian scripture and poetry: a donkey carrying a load of sandalwood. The sandalwood is precious, but the donkey feels only the weight and cannot appreciate the value. Thakur, the teacher suggests, feels the weight of Advaita's teachings, which are heavy, and has not yet tasted their worth.

Then he returns to a single word. "Become" is the problem. "You already are your true nature," he says. "You already are Satchidananda Atma." Quoting his own teacher, he adds that you already are what you want to become and already possess what you want to gain. If that is true, then detachment and enlightenment are not reached by fighting attachments. The teacher uses a wrestling image. Two wrestlers hold onto each other, and as long as they keep fighting they keep holding on. The struggle ends only when they let go and stop.

"The very effort to try is perhaps a misplaced effort."

Swami Tadatmananda, weekly satsang Q&A, 18 October 2026 (approx. 9:52–10:30)

This is the hinge of the whole session, and it is worth sitting with. Much of popular spirituality treats liberation as a project: fix your life, clear conflict, then devote yourself to the practice. The teacher suggests that this framing is itself a kind of worldly wrestling. It treats the self as something missing that must be acquired. Advaita proposes the reverse, that what is sought is already the seeker's own nature, obscured by misidentification rather than absent.

Can the mind be known without a pramana?

At 17:40 the questions turn epistemic. A student asks how it is possible to be aware of the mind directly, without a pramana. A pramana is a means of valid knowledge, the instruments classical Indian philosophy recognizes for establishing what is true. The teacher pauses on the phrase and draws an analogy. You use sight to see an object. You use the mind to understand things. The mind, he suggests, is an instrument too, and just as you can turn attention and gain control over the use of your five senses, you can turn the mind's attention back on itself.

The implication is subtle. Knowledge of the mind need not be a separate, external proof. Awareness is the witness in which the mind's contents appear. That fits the teacher's larger emphasis on self-inquiry, and it sets up the closing question of the evening: is the mind the key to knowing the true self? Here the teacher leans toward a qualified yes. The mind is the doorway, but the aim is to recognize the awareness that the mind's activity is happening in. In his words, a mind that has quieted and become attentive to its own functioning is a mind prepared to see what is always present.

What about a small deed and an infinite result?

Around 40:04 a student asks how an infinite reward can be experienced through a finite effort. The teacher's answer begins with a common observation about cause and effect: a small cause, a small deed, can have a large effect. He does not frame liberation as a bargain in which a little work earns an unlimited prize. Rather, the finite effort is the sustained inquiry and preparation that remove the obstacle to a reality that is already infinite and already one's own. Effort prepares; it does not manufacture the goal. Gaining that preparedness, he notes, does take effort, which is why he keeps returning to the practice of self-inquiry rather than dismissing it.

This is consistent with the donkey and the wrestlers. The effort is real, but its proper object is removing misidentification, not building a self that does not exist.

How should you respond to social ills and misrepresentation of Hindu tradition?

Two questions near the middle of the session touch the wider world. One asks whether social ills are simply an illusion, given Vedanta's language about the world being unreal, a phrase many listeners associate with Shankaracharya. Another, at 34:00, asks how to respond to Hinduphobia and anti-Hindu propaganda. The teacher treats both as questions requiring care rather than slogans. The excerpt available for this article does not carry his full answers to these two, so readers who want his reasoning should watch the segments directly rather than rely on a paraphrase.

Likewise, the question on accountability for evil deeds committed under mental illness, asked at 23:33, raises the tension between a spiritual view of the self and the practical responsibilities of families and societies. He addresses who is responsible to watch over a person whose conduct is harmful, and his answers distinguish between the metaphysical claim and the social duty. Again, the full reasoning is best heard in his own words.

Is the mind the key to knowing the true self?

The session ends, as many Advaita Q&A sessions do, by returning to the basic instrument of knowing. The teacher explains that the teachings of Vedanta point to the true self as something not confined to the mind's objects. Where the ego is a sense that depends on identification, the self is the witness that remains when identification drops. The mind is the instrument that must be turned and quieted so that its own nature becomes visible. Experience itself, he suggests, is the presence in which all of this is known.

"You already are what you want to become. You already possess what you want to gain."

Swami Tadatmananda, quoting his teacher, weekly satsang Q&A, 18 October 2026 (approx. 10:20)

Where to go from here

If this Q&A sparked questions of your own, the most useful next step is the practice the teacher returns to again and again: self-inquiry, Atma Vichara, sustained over time rather than in bursts. Take one question from the session, such as why attachment loosens slowly or whether ahankara is inborn, and sit with it for a week before reading anything further. Watch the full video for the segments excerpted here, especially the answers on accountability, social ills and Hinduphobia, which this article could only introduce. The teacher invites questions by email to SwamiT@ArshaBodha.org, with your name, location and "Satsang Question" in the subject line, and past satsang videos are collected in the channel's playlist on YouTube.

The deeper lesson of the evening is modest and demanding at once. Freedom is not a reward for finishing your self-improvement list. It is the recognition that the thing you were looking for was never out of reach, only obscured by the habit of believing you are the weight rather than the sandalwood.

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[0:00] Good.

[0:03] >> [sighs]

[0:09] [sighs]

[0:37] >> Oh.

[0:39] Good. Welcome to you all. Welcome also

[0:41] to all of you attending online. Uh we

[0:44] have lots of great

[0:46] questions um both uh email and uh our

[0:51] local students and our chat. Let me to

[0:55] do something different. Let me start

[0:58] with uh question coming in on the live

[1:00] chat. Subhashini, who lives in Mumbai,

[1:04] "Why is it so difficult to reduce

[1:07] attachment and identification

[1:10] in life?" Well, unless you're

[1:12] enlightened,

[1:14] you are definitely going to experience

[1:17] identification,

[1:19] attachment, and the suffering

[1:22] that comes along with the package, so to

[1:24] speak.

[1:25] Um if you ask why,

[1:28] uh and why doesn't it just go away, Tell

[1:30] me. How many

[1:31] For how long have you been identified

[1:33] with your body and mind and family and

[1:37] parents and everything?

[1:39] How many years? You don't know?

[1:41] >> [laughter]

[1:42] >> And for how many years have you been

[1:45] intensely engaged in Atma Vichara?

[1:50] >> A couple of years.

[1:52] >> So, which will have more effect? Now, it

[1:56] doesn't mean that it's it's impossible,

[2:00] but it does show that only with intense

[2:04] Atma Vichara, self-enquiry, will you

[2:06] ever stand a chance of overcoming that

[2:10] identification and attachment.

[2:13] I can tell you from my own experience it

[2:15] comes,

[2:17] but it doesn't come quickly.

[2:20] And it certainly doesn't come up in the

[2:22] up as you would say. It takes lots of of

[2:26] self-enquiry to bring that about. Okay.

[2:29] This question from uh Vidya Sagar who

[2:32] lives in Vancouver.

[2:34] Last week we had three questions in a

[2:36] row from students in Vancouver.

[2:39] So [snorts]

[2:40] uh

[2:41] So we continue.

[2:43] Um

[2:46] I finished listening to your lecture on

[2:49] ego death. There's a video on the ego

[2:52] death if that subject uh

[2:54] uh is appealing to you. Uh

[2:57] do babies have ego?

[3:00] If they don't, where does it come from

[3:03] and how does it sprout? First of all,

[3:05] let's understand ego

[3:08] is a tra- is a loose translation of a

[3:11] Sanskrit term Ahankara,

[3:13] which we're using in in Advaita Vedanta

[3:16] as a technical verb.

[3:18] As a technical word, sorry. Not in Hindi

[3:21] may you know, it's pride and has that

[3:24] general meaning. We use it very

[3:26] specifically as your sense of being an

[3:28] individual being. That that feeling that

[3:31] I

[3:32] Excuse me. The feeling that I am me,

[3:35] I am an individual being. And then

[3:39] identified with the body, mind, etc.

[3:41] etc.

[3:43] Do babies have that ego? Doesn't look

[3:47] like it.

[3:49] In fact,

[3:50] it what it looks like is that baby can't

[3:53] tell it's tell the difference between

[3:55] itself and mother.

[3:57] A rat, you know, where where does a baby

[4:00] end and where does mother begin? There's

[4:03] not any differentiation.

[4:05] Um there's a whole field of

[4:06] developmental psychology

[4:09] that shows certain milestones that

[4:12] babies and children go through as they

[4:15] grow up. And I think attaining that

[4:18] sense of individuality,

[4:20] that sense of differentiation,

[4:24] is perhaps one of the very first

[4:25] milestones in the natural

[4:28] uh development of a baby.

[4:31] Next question comes from Stefano,

[4:35] who is

[4:36] Italian, living in Spain. Good.

[4:40] >> [snorts]

[4:40] >> Um let me give you some backstory and

[4:43] then I'll just a little bit of this

[4:44] question. Stefano, I know from our

[4:47] earlier

[4:48] uh communications, is a yoga

[4:51] teacher.

[4:52] And to be a Western yoga teacher,

[4:56] uh especially, well, you know, just in

[4:58] general, to be a Western yoga teacher

[5:01] means

[5:03] Please this sounds sarcastic, but I

[5:06] don't mean it sarcastically. To be a

[5:08] Western yoga teacher means that 80%

[5:13] of your students are young women who

[5:15] want to look and feel good.

[5:19] And I don't mean that negatively. In

[5:22] fact, I think it's great. Better that

[5:24] they go to yoga

[5:26] >> [laughter]

[5:26] >> to look and feel great than than a gym,

[5:29] cuz I think there's an additional

[5:30] benefit to to yoga practices.

[5:34] But that leads Stefano to some conflict.

[5:38] He says, "Today, much of what is

[5:40] promoted as yoga seems focused only on

[5:43] the most superficial aspect of asana

[5:47] practice." And I think that's an

[5:49] accurate appraisal. Christofano teaches

[5:52] yoga, so he knows much better than me.

[5:55] Um the aim of often appears to be

[5:57] physical perfection, aesthetics, or

[5:59] performance, almost as if

[6:02] uh yoga were a fitness competition. You

[6:05] know, there is actually a yoga

[6:06] competition.

[6:09] >> [laughter]

[6:10] >> Can you imagine?

[6:12] A bunch of yogis getting on a stage

[6:16] and competing with each other to see who

[6:18] can do each asana the best.

[6:20] It's mind-boggling. Okay.

[6:22] Um since Now, here's his question. Since

[6:26] yoga is both a sincere part of my life

[6:30] This is a kind of yoga. In fact, it's

[6:32] often called Jnana Yoga, uh Advaita

[6:34] Vedanta.

[6:36] Since [snorts] yoga is both a sincere

[6:37] part of my life and my profession

[6:41] He makes a living teaching yoga.

[6:43] I sometimes wonder what my

[6:45] responsibility

[6:46] should be. Should I actively respond to

[6:49] the misinformation? Should I promote

[6:51] traditional yoga more openly and

[6:54] challenge the ideas that misrepresented

[6:57] teachings?

[6:58] >> [snorts]

[6:58] >> Is it Or is it wiser to remain focused

[7:01] on my own path, continue studying and

[7:03] teaching sincerely?

[7:04] >> [snorts]

[7:05] >> Uh

[7:07] Okay.

[7:08] So,

[7:09] that's an interesting dilemma. And I

[7:11] think unique to uh someone who is both a

[7:16] uh modern yoga teacher and a very

[7:18] sincere uh follower of of Advaita

[7:22] Vedanta.

[7:24] Um

[7:25] I would suggest a pragmatic approach.

[7:29] Um to

[7:31] there

[7:32] In In American English, I'm pretty sure

[7:34] Stefano can follow. To nuke your career

[7:38] is probably not going to help you in

[7:41] your practice of Advaita Vedanta, right?

[7:45] So,

[7:47] you do, on the other hand, I would say

[7:50] that there is a responsibility

[7:53] every yoga teacher has

[7:56] to

[7:58] at least put the practice of yoga asana

[8:02] practice in particular, put it in the

[8:03] right context,

[8:05] which means just to gently remind your

[8:09] students

[8:10] that these teachings come from the

[8:12] ancient rishis

[8:14] and that the ultimate purpose of of

[8:17] asana practice is to prepare you for

[8:19] meditation,

[8:21] which is part of a distinctly spiritual

[8:24] path and not a matter of physical

[8:27] perfection. To tell your students that

[8:31] gently and in appropriate ways and times

[8:35] would not nuke your yoga

[8:38] studio.

[8:40] At the same time, it would, I think,

[8:42] fulfill a responsibility that that yoga

[8:44] student students yoga teachers do bear,

[8:48] and I'm really glad that Stefano is

[8:50] alert to that

[8:53] that issue.

[8:55] Question from Thakur, who lives in

[8:58] Pondicherry.

[9:01] Not really a question. Um

[9:05] Of of of I think a very

[9:09] significant statement.

[9:11] Uh [snorts] Thakur says, "It's not easy

[9:13] for me to get detached from the sense of

[9:16] body and mind that's imposed by nature,

[9:19] as we've said in the very first uh

[9:23] question. Um and it's hard to become

[9:25] detached and become one with our true

[9:29] nature." I'll come back

[9:34] "My state is like a donkey carrying the

[9:37] load of sandalwood. That's the

[9:39] traditional metaphor. You find this in

[9:41] the scriptures and poems of a donkey is

[9:44] carrying a valuable load on its back.

[9:48] It's like sandalwood.

[9:50] But the

[9:52] the donkey only feels its weight and

[9:56] cannot appreciate its value. Sandalwood

[10:00] being a very valuable kind of wood. And

[10:03] in the same way

[10:05] we presume that Ram Thakur is feeling

[10:06] the weight of the teachings of Advaita

[10:09] Vedanta. They are heavy, so to speak,

[10:12] and he is not appreciating the value of

[10:17] of those heavy teachings. And and

[10:19] definitely I get it.

[10:21] Um one thing I'd like to circle back on

[10:24] here. He says, "It's hard to get

[10:25] detached and become one with our true

[10:29] nature."

[10:30] The word become stands out [snorts] in

[10:33] my mind

[10:35] because

[10:37] you already are

[10:39] your true nature.

[10:41] You already are Satchidananda Atma. To

[10:45] use my guru's words, you already are

[10:48] what you want to become.

[10:50] You already possess what you want to

[10:52] gain.

[10:54] So,

[10:55] this process of detachment

[10:59] and gaining enlightenment

[11:01] is

[11:03] focused not on struggling against

[11:08] attachments.

[11:10] To struggle against attachments

[11:14] is

[11:15] a very worldly activity. In fact, any

[11:17] worldly struggle

[11:19] struggle I think of struggling I think

[11:22] of a metaphor of wrestling.

[11:24] If you think of two wrestlers having a

[11:26] match,

[11:28] they hold on to each other.

[11:30] And as long as they continue to fight,

[11:33] they continue to hold on to each other

[11:36] and the fight persists.

[11:39] So, the struggle of the wrestler stops

[11:43] when they let go

[11:45] of the other person and when they stop

[11:49] fighting.

[11:50] And

[11:51] the message here for life is

[11:56] to the to

[11:58] to think of struggling with detachment

[12:01] or trying to get attached, the very

[12:04] effort to try

[12:07] is perhaps a misplaced effort.

[12:11] For example, if you are trying to

[12:16] Let me try to give a more concrete

[12:18] example.

[12:19] Some people feel like they have to

[12:22] fix their lives

[12:25] to make their lives completely free from

[12:28] conflict

[12:30] so that they can devote themselves to

[12:32] spiritual growth.

[12:34] Ah.

[12:36] One of our local students said, "Yeah."

[12:38] >> [laughter]

[12:39] >> And not just you. Very common. So, very

[12:42] common. Yeah.

[12:44] I also had that. Sure.

[12:46] Um you have to fix your life

[12:49] so that it is conflict-free

[12:53] so that you can deeply pursue spiritual

[12:56] growth.

[12:58] When is your life going to be

[12:59] conflict-free?

[13:04] Only when you finally rest in peace.

[13:07] >> [laughter]

[13:09] >> Then I guarantee you your conflicts are

[13:11] over at that point

[13:13] and not a moment before.

[13:18] So, efforts to create a conflict-free

[13:22] life

[13:24] are to some extent misplaced. I said to

[13:26] some some extent because we need to have

[13:29] a reasonable

[13:31] reasonably conflict-free life.

[13:34] But to to be overly focused on fixing up

[13:39] your lifestyle is self-defeating.

[13:43] So,

[13:44] my advice for talker and anyone else is

[13:49] do whatever needs to be done

[13:53] to resolve the problems in your life,

[13:56] but make

[13:57] atma vichara, self-inquiry,

[14:00] the main focus of your life. Turns out

[14:04] that if you focus on atma vichara,

[14:08] the difficulties you encounter in life

[14:11] seem to fade away for very interesting

[14:14] reason.

[14:15] The situations don't change. The people

[14:18] who used to be obnoxious

[14:21] continue to be just as obnoxious or even

[14:23] more so,

[14:26] some people become more obnoxious with

[14:28] time,

[14:30] but you find yourself less affected by

[14:33] all that.

[14:34] So, make the emphasis not

[14:37] trying to solve all the worldly

[14:38] conflicts, but let the uh

[14:41] uh main effort be to um

[14:44] uh

[14:44] uh atma vichara, self-inquiry.

[14:47] Let me see.

[14:51] Uh

[14:55] Uh

[14:57] Uh

[15:00] This is uh

[15:06] This is Arthur from Armenia.

[15:10] He's uh I think he's a uh in the uh

[15:13] 6-month course, which is just now

[15:14] concluding.

[15:16] Um Swamiji, I was wondering if you could

[15:19] speak about a a bit about Shankara's

[15:21] devotional

[15:23] bhakti side.

[15:27] Um

[15:32] I'm pausing

[15:34] because the

[15:37] the texts that survived today

[15:40] that were definitely written by

[15:42] Shankaracharya, by Adi Shankaracharya,

[15:45] by that one person. Those texts don't

[15:49] deal with bhakti.

[15:51] The texts that do deal with bhakti are

[15:54] written probably not by Adi Shankara

[15:57] himself, but by later followers in his

[16:02] tradition, disciples of disciples of

[16:05] disciples. That's the way that the way

[16:07] our the scriptural tradition works is

[16:10] that um

[16:12] many texts are attributed to Shankara,

[16:15] like the Bhaja Govindam, which which is

[16:19] so popular and so wonderful.

[16:21] I love Bhaja Govindam. It's a wonderful

[16:24] text.

[16:26] But it's not Shankara's work. It doesn't

[16:28] bear It's not his language. It's not his

[16:31] style at all, you know, it's all uh you

[16:34] know If you

[16:36] remember the context, Shankaracharya

[16:39] was a sannyasi

[16:41] and his students were sannyasis

[16:44] and they were all really, really

[16:47] advanced.

[16:49] So

[16:50] for the historical Shankaracharya and

[16:54] his disciples

[16:56] bhakti was not a big deal. They didn't

[17:00] need to focus on it.

[17:03] And this is how

[17:05] based on studying Shankaracharya for 30,

[17:09] 40 years, this is what it looks like to

[17:12] me.

[17:13] On the other hand, thank goodness that

[17:16] in his tradition, we have a rich uh

[17:21] literature

[17:22] devoted to bhakti because we need it.

[17:27] Shankaracharya himself may not have

[17:30] needed it.

[17:31] We certainly do.

[17:34] So,

[17:35] um

[17:37] I guess we'll we'll we'll leave it at

[17:38] that point. A question here from

[17:42] Venkatesh, one of our local

[17:44] students here in New Jersey.

[17:46] Um

[17:49] how to validate this? I know I am the

[17:53] hypothesis, he says. I am the knower of

[17:56] my thoughts directly

[17:59] without the use of any pramana, without

[18:03] the use of your mind. I know the

[18:06] contents of my mind directly.

[18:10] But, he says, I feel

[18:13] like my mind is used to know anything.

[18:19] How can And

[18:21] it's a little

[18:23] it's a little technical and a little

[18:24] hard to follow, so let me try to

[18:27] paraphrase Venkatesh's question.

[18:31] In order to understand your true nature

[18:34] as an awareful observer

[18:37] who is completely independent of your

[18:40] mind,

[18:42] it's crucial

[18:43] to

[18:45] understand

[18:46] that

[18:49] you know the world

[18:53] through your mind and senses, right?

[18:57] Let's pause there for just a moment. The

[18:59] world outside is known to you by means

[19:03] of your mind and senses. So, your five

[19:06] senses and your mind are pramanas,

[19:09] means of knowledge.

[19:12] So, you have sight, hearing, taste,

[19:13] touch, and smell. These five and number

[19:16] six, there's a sixth sense called

[19:20] antahkarana,

[19:22] the inner instrument or a five external

[19:24] instruments, one inner instrument. All

[19:27] of these can be called pramanas, means

[19:30] of knowledge.

[19:31] So, now the question is, since the world

[19:34] is known

[19:37] through the agency or instruments of

[19:41] your mind and senses,

[19:45] it's natural to assume

[19:48] that your mind itself is known

[19:51] using some other instrument.

[19:53] If I use sight to see you,

[19:57] I must be using some kind of inner sight

[20:01] to know my mind.

[20:05] This is the This is the contention.

[20:08] If I use my powers of of seeing and

[20:11] thinking to know you and understand you,

[20:14] I must be using some other kind of

[20:16] powers to know what's happening in my

[20:19] mind.

[20:21] And it's it's

[20:24] It says this seems contrary and I'll

[20:26] paraphrase, seems contrary to my

[20:29] experience.

[20:33] Is that really contrary to your

[20:34] experience?

[20:37] So, look at in terms of your experience.

[20:40] If you close your eyes and open your

[20:42] eyes,

[20:43] you have control over that instrument.

[20:46] You can turn it on and off.

[20:48] Similarly, you can kind of turn your

[20:50] your your mind on and off or you can

[20:53] certainly direct it. You can choose to

[20:55] look away from me.

[20:58] So, you can control

[21:01] your mind. You can control your eyes.

[21:06] Can you control your ability

[21:09] to be aware of your mind?

[21:14] Isn't Isn't that interesting?

[21:18] Can you turn your attention away from

[21:20] your mind? Oh, I In fact, a thought

[21:22] comes, you want to ignore it.

[21:25] You try to ignore that thought, what

[21:26] happens?

[21:28] >> [laughter]

[21:29] >> You

[21:30] You end up good That's a wrestling

[21:33] metaphor again. That's exactly what

[21:35] happens.

[21:37] So, interestingly enough, you can

[21:39] control your use of your five senses.

[21:44] You can control to some extent your use

[21:46] of your mind,

[21:49] but

[21:51] that by which

[21:54] the activities of your mind are known

[21:57] cannot be controlled.

[22:00] Because it's not an instrument. It's not

[22:04] a pramada. It's not something you use or

[22:08] wield like you wield your mind, you

[22:11] wield your five senses. This is you as

[22:15] sakshi chaitanya, as an awareful witness

[22:19] consciousness, simply shines, simply

[22:23] reveals.

[22:24] I think the the message here though is

[22:27] how easy it is to misinterpret our

[22:30] experience or make wrong assumptions

[22:33] about our experience. Look at the

[22:34] assumption. I use my eyes to see the

[22:37] world.

[22:38] I use my mind to understand things.

[22:42] Therefore, I must be using some other

[22:44] means to know what's happening in my

[22:47] mind.

[22:48] Is that experience or an assumption?

[22:52] It's not experience. It's not based on

[22:54] experience. It simply is a wrong

[22:57] assumption. So, then we have to test

[23:00] experience. That's what I led you

[23:01] through just a moment ago is we are

[23:04] doing an experiential test. So, we test

[23:07] can do I control my eyeballs? Yeah.

[23:10] Can I control my mind? Yeah.

[23:13] Can I control my ability to know what's

[23:16] happening in my mind?

[23:19] No.

[23:20] So, we're exploring our experience and

[23:24] understanding that experience because we

[23:27] often misinterpret

[23:30] our experience. Very common problem.

[23:34] Okay. Yes, I mentioned Vancouver before.

[23:37] Here's another Vancouverite.

[23:41] Uh Ahmed was a medical doctor who lives

[23:44] in Vancouver. He asks um in a previous

[23:47] satsang we talked about evil

[23:50] and the problem of around murderous

[23:53] psychopaths such as Hitler.

[23:57] How do we solve the problem of account-

[24:00] This very sub- interest I like this an

[24:02] interesting problem. I I like this.

[24:05] How do we solve the problem if of

[24:08] accountability

[24:11] if we ascribe their evil deeds to mental

[24:15] illness

[24:17] such as psychopathy

[24:19] that they were born with and it's no

[24:21] fault of their own. How do we

[24:24] How do we deal with accountability?

[24:30] Accountability, interesting.

[24:35] Is a psychopath

[24:38] accountable

[24:41] for their

[24:42] behavior?

[24:44] I I believe the definition of a

[24:47] psychopath is one who's not able to

[24:50] control their behavior. They're wired

[24:53] like that probably from birth. They're

[24:56] wired incorrectly. Something went wrong

[24:59] and during development they emerge with

[25:02] some kind of

[25:04] uh

[25:05] a terrible

[25:06] uh mental illness. So, when a psychopath

[25:11] commits an act of a dharma

[25:16] is he or she morally responsible?

[25:23] Very complicated, right?

[25:25] So, just to lead up to that question,

[25:27] take a child

[25:28] a two-year-old

[25:30] playing with matches

[25:32] burns down the house.

[25:36] Is the two-year-old morally responsible

[25:40] for that act of destruction?

[25:43] And we'd say no.

[25:45] Ch- children don't know better.

[25:49] Wouldn't that argument apply to the

[25:50] psychopath as well?

[25:55] Uh different, absolutely different, but

[25:57] the the argument I think would hold up.

[26:00] You won't hold the child responsible

[26:04] because that's the way child's children

[26:07] behave.

[26:08] In the same way, why hold a psychopath

[26:11] responsible? That's the way they behave.

[26:14] In fact, if you expect a child to behave

[26:17] under all circumstances,

[26:19] you're the one with the problem.

[26:21] You're not keeping your eye on the

[26:23] child.

[26:25] Right?

[26:27] Who's responsible to watch over the

[26:29] child?

[26:33] So

[26:35] who's responsible to keep out keep an

[26:38] eye out for psychopaths?

[26:43] We are.

[26:45] It is our responsibility

[26:48] as individuals, as nations, as cultures,

[26:52] as people, it is our responsibility

[26:56] to see, to identify who is capable of

[27:01] doing harmful deeds,

[27:03] and to do our best to prevent that

[27:07] person

[27:08] from causing

[27:10] those harmful deeds.

[27:13] Turns out that we don't always do a good

[27:15] job. Just as parents cannot possibly

[27:18] keep an eye on their children 24/7,

[27:21] so children can be naughty and can do

[27:24] things, and it's no matter how careful

[27:27] parents are. In the same way, no matter

[27:29] how

[27:31] dharmic a society is, um there's it's

[27:36] impossible to prevent

[27:38] all mentally ill people from causing

[27:42] harm. It happens. We can do our best,

[27:45] but still it it happens. Let us just

[27:48] extend this a little bit. With this in

[27:51] mind,

[27:53] dealing with going to uh Ahmed's uh

[27:56] question about accountability,

[27:59] with this in mind,

[28:02] what would you say about

[28:05] ascribing the death penalty

[28:08] to a psychopath who commits murder?

[28:14] Does it

[28:15] make sense?

[28:19] It's just like should the parent punish

[28:23] the 2-year-old for burning down the

[28:25] house?

[28:28] And of course, the punishment should be

[28:30] appropriate for the crime.

[28:33] Burning down a house is a big deal.

[28:35] So, this child should be punished

[28:37] severely for years.

[28:40] Of course not.

[28:42] Murder is terrible.

[28:44] So, therefore, death penalty,

[28:47] but look at the problem. The problem is

[28:50] with our concept of accountability.

[28:54] So,

[28:55] first of all, from the standpoint of the

[28:58] doctrine of karma, there is one level of

[29:01] accountability that's built in.

[29:05] So, a person who willfully does a

[29:09] harmful deed will suffer the

[29:12] consequences

[29:14] of that harmful deed at some point in

[29:16] the future. We don't need to stand

[29:19] around and ensure it's done.

[29:22] You know, we don't have to

[29:25] to hold the person accountable at a

[29:27] moral level. At a societal level,

[29:29] absolutely. But I'm just saying, the law

[29:32] of karma will ensure

[29:35] that the person who commits a harmful

[29:37] deed will suffer the consequences of

[29:41] that harmful deed at some point in the

[29:44] future.

[29:45] Now, the 2-year-old who burnt down the

[29:48] house did not do so willfully.

[29:51] And a psychopath who kills someone, I

[29:54] presume, does not do it willfully, at

[29:57] least not in our usual idea of

[30:00] reasonable will. So, we don't

[30:05] Anyway,

[30:06] it's another time, branching off to

[30:08] another topic, but just let me finish

[30:10] this up by observing that the penal

[30:14] system in this country and around the

[30:16] world

[30:18] seems highly flawed.

[30:21] Every society has has a primary

[30:26] responsibility

[30:27] to protect its citizens.

[30:32] But at some point, the penal system got

[30:35] focused not on protecting citizens, but

[30:39] on punishing wrongdoers.

[30:42] And to me, that's a wrong orientation.

[30:47] We don't need to be the punishers of

[30:49] wrongdoers. We are not the ones to meet

[30:53] out the uh the consequences of bad bad

[30:58] deeds. As I said, doctrine of karma, I

[31:00] think ensures that.

[31:02] So, to me

[31:04] to use the penal system to punish people

[31:08] is misdirected. To use the penal system

[31:11] to protect people

[31:13] is absolutely important.

[31:16] And to use the penal system to reform

[31:19] people is even better.

[31:21] But it's also If you look into it, it's

[31:24] difficult, you know. It's not it's not

[31:26] an easy topic. Anyway, let me not go

[31:29] further here. Let me take another

[31:31] question here.

[31:32] Um

[31:34] >> [clears throat]

[31:38] >> Uh

[31:43] But it's all an illusion, isn't it?

[31:47] We're all part of this universal

[31:49] consciousness, the Brahman. So, those

[31:52] who commit the crimes, and those of us

[31:54] who observe the crimes, and those of us

[31:56] who punish the crime

[31:58] I think it's that's where the comment

[32:00] left uh

[32:01] a question it just came up

[32:04] with regard to this

[32:06] uh discussion. To say, "Oh, it's all

[32:09] illusion." is in my mind, it is a

[32:13] corruption of what the teachings of

[32:16] Vedanta are meant to accomplish.

[32:19] The teachings of Vedanta do not guide us

[32:22] on handling social problems.

[32:25] And if we say it's all an illusion, why

[32:27] should we even deal with it?

[32:30] That is

[32:32] a misuse of the teachings of Vedanta.

[32:35] Besides the fact that I've never said

[32:37] it's all an illusion, Shankara Acharya

[32:40] never used a word that means illusion.

[32:45] We say that the world is mithya, which

[32:49] means not as real as Brahman. It has

[32:54] experiential reality. The world has

[32:58] empirical reality. According to

[33:01] Shankara's Advaita Vedanta, the world is

[33:05] not an illusion. How many How many

[33:08] people have said that though?

[33:10] Everyone says, "According to Shankara

[33:12] Acharya, the world is an illusion."

[33:14] Those are people who haven't studied

[33:16] Shankara properly, and especially people

[33:19] who don't understand Sanskrit. Because

[33:22] if you uh Shankara Acharya's Sanskrit is

[33:26] so precise.

[33:28] And if you read his words in Sanskrit,

[33:31] you can't possibly twist them around to

[33:35] make it look like the world is an

[33:37] illusion.

[33:38] Absolutely not what he what he teaches.

[33:42] Let me pause here and ask uh do any of

[33:44] you have a question? There's a question

[33:45] here. You'll need the microphone.

[33:49] I'll need to turn on the microphone.

[33:56] Okay.

[33:58] Please.

[33:59] Yeah.

[34:00] Thank you.

[34:01] >> Namaste, Swamiji. Um just to follow up

[34:04] on this questions. Recently, we are

[34:06] seeing a lot of the anti-Hindu

[34:09] propaganda on the social media, which

[34:12] resulted almost having a lot of uh

[34:15] Hindus getting killed in Illinois

[34:17] recently. There was

[34:19] So, how to deal with, you know, what you

[34:21] just talked about, the responsibility

[34:24] for the Hindus to actually actually

[34:26] protect themselves and make sure that we

[34:28] are responsibly managing the interest of

[34:31] the Hindus and not being targeted uh

[34:33] unnecessarily.

[34:34] >> And uh

[34:35] what what Manas is referring to is I

[34:38] think a young man in Illinois was

[34:41] somehow apprehended before he could

[34:45] conduct a terrorist act on a local Hindu

[34:49] temple which could have been something

[34:51] extremely

[34:53] severe.

[34:55] And

[34:56] Manas's question was how should the

[34:59] Hindu community respond?

[35:02] Well,

[35:03] certainly just to loop back to last

[35:04] question, should we say oh it's an

[35:06] illusion?

[35:07] >> [laughter]

[35:09] >> Clearly that's not a good approach.

[35:13] >> [clears throat]

[35:13] >> If Shankaracharya were sitting here, you

[35:15] ask him what would he say it's an

[35:17] illusion?

[35:18] I don't think so. Okay.

[35:21] So, how what should be our response?

[35:23] First of all, to understand that young

[35:26] men

[35:29] are highly impressionable.

[35:32] And somehow

[35:34] either either due to

[35:38] external influences or due to mental

[35:41] illness, we don't know which or both,

[35:45] that this young man had concocted this

[35:48] this terrible plan.

[35:51] So, what should be our response? And as

[35:55] we And that's a good example you bring

[35:57] up, and that is protection.

[36:00] We have to protect ourselves. And what

[36:04] is the appropriate way to protect to for

[36:08] Hindus to protect themselves?

[36:10] Well, the appropriate way has to be

[36:14] appropriate. You can't

[36:16] you know, you can't lock up all

[36:19] impressionable young men. You can't turn

[36:22] off the internet, although some

[36:24] countries have tried to to do that.

[36:26] Doesn't work very well.

[36:29] So,

[36:31] I don't you you may not know the United

[36:33] States government actually has a program

[36:36] where it gives financial grants to

[36:39] religious organizations, including Hindu

[36:42] temples, to install security devices

[36:46] on their

[36:48] buildings, on their facilities.

[36:51] So,

[36:52] for for starters, that every every Hindu

[36:55] organization can increase their security

[37:00] measures to the extent it's warranted.

[37:04] And

[37:06] in a broader sense,

[37:08] given any situation

[37:12] a Hindu might face, we have to determine

[37:15] what are the proper measures. I keep

[37:19] coming back to that term, proper

[37:20] measure, and a proper response, a

[37:23] proportionate response.

[37:25] Cuz sometimes our responses are not

[37:28] proportionate.

[37:30] And I I find that

[37:33] disturbing.

[37:34] Um

[37:38] This came up yesterday in our meditation

[37:41] session. I gave a metaphor of how people

[37:45] people who get hurt

[37:47] fight back against that hurt.

[37:49] If you get hit, then you hit back, which

[37:52] is already a problem. Wouldn't it be

[37:54] better to prevent getting hit in the

[37:56] first place, but that's another story.

[37:59] But the problem sometimes we see in a

[38:02] societal reaction is that you get hit

[38:05] once,

[38:06] and you respond by hitting back 10

[38:08] times.

[38:10] Hit me once, I hit you 10 times.

[38:14] There are some international situations

[38:17] going on today where we see evidence of

[38:20] that kind of disproportionate

[38:23] response.

[38:28] And it's harmful.

[38:29] It's unnecessary. It's adharmic. It's

[38:32] immoral. It's illogical.

[38:36] So, how does

[38:38] hitting someone 10 times solves the

[38:41] problem? If hitting once doesn't solve

[38:44] the problem, nine more times isn't going

[38:47] to

[38:49] flip the uh the scale.

[38:52] So,

[38:55] and I guess the point

[38:57] I'm leading up to is

[39:00] to respond to a situation like you've

[39:03] just described

[39:06] with fear and exaggeration

[39:10] like the media loves to do.

[39:14] So, when local media will pick up on

[39:16] this story,

[39:17] the local media will make a big, big

[39:20] deal of it.

[39:21] And make it look like every Hindu temple

[39:25] in the world had better be

[39:28] aware and afraid of these crazy young

[39:32] men who are plotting these terrible,

[39:35] terroristic effects.

[39:37] That excessive

[39:39] fear and concern

[39:42] to me seems like an overreaction,

[39:46] which it which does perhaps more harm

[39:49] than good. That's an over That's That's

[39:52] [snorts]

[39:53] hitting back 10 times when you've been

[39:55] hit once. It's not To me, it's not a

[39:58] proportional

[40:00] response. Okay, let's take a few more

[40:02] questions and wrap things up.

[40:04] This question from uh Daniel.

[40:10] Daniel lives in Australia.

[40:13] How can an infinite reward be

[40:16] experienced by a person.

[40:20] The infinite infinite reward being

[40:23] moksha,

[40:25] total cessation of suffering.

[40:27] How can an infinite reward be

[40:30] experienced?

[40:32] How can it come from a finite series of

[40:35] actions?

[40:37] >> [snorts]

[40:37] >> For example, practices of self-inquiry.

[40:42] So, this is uh Daniel understands

[40:45] something and I'm going to uh

[40:47] explain this in a little bit more

[40:48] detail.

[40:50] Daniel understands something about the

[40:52] doctrine of karma.

[40:54] And that is the effect of We're still on

[40:57] proportionality.

[40:58] The effect is always proportional to the

[41:00] cause.

[41:02] A small cause, a small deed will have a

[41:06] small result. A medium-size deed will

[41:10] have a medium result.

[41:13] But if you want a huge result, it's

[41:16] going to take a really huge deed. Think

[41:18] about your life. If you want to build a

[41:22] career,

[41:23] which is a pretty big result, it's going

[41:26] to take some very serious work

[41:30] to prepare yourself for that kind of

[41:32] result. So, according to the magnitude

[41:35] of the result, that will determine the

[41:39] magnitude of the effort needed to get

[41:42] that result.

[41:44] Now, here's Daniel's logic, which is

[41:47] sort of okay, but there's a problem.

[41:50] So, according to Daniel's logic, moksha

[41:53] is an infinite result.

[41:56] Therefore, to get a infinite result, how

[41:58] much effort should be required?

[42:01] Infinite.

[42:03] Are you up for an infinite effort

[42:06] to gain moksha? Now,

[42:10] the the logic is actually tight. It's

[42:13] It's correct logic except that gaining

[42:17] moksha is not an action.

[42:21] If gaining moksha were an action, it

[42:24] would be impossible.

[42:25] And the way to understand it is this.

[42:29] If moksha requires like the purification

[42:33] of atma, atma is somehow impure, atma is

[42:38] somehow deficient,

[42:41] atma is somehow vulnerable,

[42:44] if atma has a problem

[42:47] and we have to fix it up,

[42:51] then we're in trouble.

[42:53] Because to fix up atma so that it's

[42:56] perfect

[42:58] will take an infinite effort.

[43:02] Not possible.

[43:04] So, this is

[43:06] what is one of the absolute unique

[43:11] teachings of Advaita Vedanta

[43:14] is we begin by acknowledging that fact.

[43:17] If liberation

[43:20] is gained

[43:22] by fixing up atma in some way or

[43:26] another,

[43:27] liberation moksha is absolutely

[43:31] impossible.

[43:33] Advaita Vedanta agrees

[43:35] but says

[43:37] instead,

[43:38] what if atma is not defective? What if

[43:44] atma is already perfect?

[43:48] After all, we call it inner divinity,

[43:51] loosely speaking.

[43:53] If it's divine,

[43:55] it needs to be fixed up?

[43:59] So, a proper understanding of the

[44:01] teachings of Vedanta is that your true

[44:05] nature as such chidananda Atman is

[44:08] already free from suffering.

[44:12] Has never been subject to suffering.

[44:17] Never been subject to suffering.

[44:22] Then you say, "But but Swamiji, I

[44:23] thought this is all about

[44:25] getting gaining freedom from suffering."

[44:27] It is.

[44:28] Freedom from suffering for whom?

[44:32] Not for Atman.

[44:34] Atman doesn't need Advaita Vedanta.

[44:37] Atman certainly doesn't need Swami

[44:39] Tadatmananda.

[44:41] The one who needs the teachings of

[44:44] Vedanta is the one who says, "I suffer."

[44:49] The one who says, "I suffer" is

[44:52] suffering due to ignorance

[44:56] of [snorts] their true nature as

[44:58] Satchidananda Atman.

[45:00] So,

[45:01] the Vedantic response to this is gaining

[45:05] moksha is not the result of effort.

[45:11] Gaining moksha is a result of removing

[45:14] ignorance.

[45:16] But,

[45:18] does it mean no effort is required?

[45:23] Took some effort to come here for

[45:25] satsang or to watch this uh satsang, to

[45:28] attend this satsang. Effort is required.

[45:32] But, only effort to put yourself in a

[45:35] situation where you can learn.

[45:39] Does it take an infinite amount of

[45:41] effort

[45:42] to be in a situation where you can

[45:44] learn? No. A finite effort to prepare

[45:49] yourself. We talk a lot about Adhikari

[45:51] Twam, preparedness for these teachings

[45:55] to lead to this uh this removal of of

[45:59] ignorance.

[46:01] To gain that preparedness takes effort.

[46:06] But finite effort.

[46:09] Finite effort to become a prepared

[46:12] student

[46:15] accompanied by proper teachings

[46:19] and properly directed effort in the

[46:21] practice of Atma Vichara

[46:24] is sufficient to remove ignorance

[46:28] which is not an action.

[46:30] The effort is required to get ready for

[46:32] knowledge.

[46:33] At

[46:35] This is a little subtle.

[46:37] Um

[46:40] Yeah. I I I I I

[46:42] There's a little technical, but there's

[46:44] a some technical stuff behind this

[46:46] question. So, just briefly.

[46:49] Is not Is gaining knowledge an action?

[46:52] This is the the deeper question. Is

[46:56] gaining knowledge an action?

[46:59] So, right now you have knowledge of me.

[47:03] Why?

[47:04] Because your eyes are open.

[47:06] Now, you can use effort to close your

[47:09] eyes or open your eyes.

[47:12] That takes How much effort does it take?

[47:14] It's But it does It's an action.

[47:17] You

[47:18] Your Your action has to be to turn your

[47:20] head in the right direction. Your action

[47:22] has to be to open your eyes. I'll make a

[47:24] joke. Your action has to be to keep your

[47:26] eyes open when you get drowsy because

[47:29] Swami Turiya Ananda goes on and on and

[47:31] on and on. [laughter]

[47:34] That happens. I I get it.

[47:39] So

[47:40] So, effort to keep the eyes open.

[47:43] That takes effort.

[47:45] But once your eyes are open

[47:48] is it an additional effort to see me?

[47:53] So, this is a metaphor used to describe

[47:57] that effort is required to prepare for

[48:00] yourself to gain knowledge but gaining

[48:03] knowledge is not an effort. It's not an

[48:08] action. It's not a deed. So to gain

[48:11] knowledge of the infinite does not

[48:14] require an infinite effort.

[48:18] Okay, enough said. Let's

[48:21] finish up here.

[48:39] Uh there was a question right at the

[48:40] beginning of Satsang

[48:43] from Abhishek who lives in Bihar.

[48:47] So he asks um

[48:53] He asks about Is it fair to say that man

[48:57] mind

[48:58] is the key to knowing one's true self

[49:01] when your man when your mind is still

[49:04] still a firm

[49:06] then you have no ahankar

[49:09] no ego.

[49:11] A still man is all about karma man

[49:13] either wants to do something doesn't

[49:15] want to do

[49:16] so about say it say it say for teach for

[49:19] char

[49:21] which are say

[49:24] nishchay nishchay say karma

[49:27] this is not this is not Advaita Vedanta

[49:30] some other some other teaching that

[49:32] Abhishek is is following. First of all

[49:35] what is the

[49:36] role of the mind in Advaita Vedanta is

[49:40] actually surprisingly simple.

[49:45] Since and we'll make we'll make this our

[49:47] last question I think.

[49:50] As we've discussed your true nature is

[49:53] already Satchidananda.

[49:56] Already perfect, already complete, has

[50:00] never been subject

[50:02] to pain or suffering.

[50:05] Which is not to deny the existence you

[50:08] experience pain and suffering, but

[50:13] understood properly, that pain or

[50:16] suffering does not affect your true

[50:19] nature as Satchidananda Atman.

[50:23] The problem

[50:25] a

[50:26] from our Vedantic perspective, and to

[50:29] use my guru's very clear English

[50:32] expression,

[50:34] the problem is non-recognition

[50:38] of your true nature.

[50:41] Self-non-recognition,

[50:44] he called it. Which is a particular kind

[50:47] of ignorance. Often we refer to it

[50:50] loosely as a veil of ignorance obscuring

[50:54] that true self, which is already present

[50:57] in your experience, but veiled due to

[51:01] the presence of experience.

[51:04] Where

[51:06] if

[51:07] This is to show that the problem is

[51:10] ignorance.

[51:13] Tell me, where does

[51:15] where does ignorance

[51:17] >> [snorts]

[51:17] >> hang out, so to speak?

[51:20] Where does ignorance exist?

[51:23] Ignorance can only exist in your mind.

[51:28] So, the locus of the problem of

[51:32] self-non-recognition

[51:35] is your mind.

[51:37] The solution then is going to be to

[51:41] remove ignorance

[51:43] from

[51:45] the mind.

[51:46] How?

[51:49] Probably with your mind.

[51:52] You know, but somebody might say, "How

[51:53] can the mind remove ignorance from your

[51:55] mind?"

[51:56] Come on. Doesn't it? That makes perfect

[51:59] sense to me.

[52:00] In fact, there's a Sanskrit idiom,

[52:02] kantakena kantakam.

[52:05] If you get a thorn

[52:07] in your foot, how do you get the thorn

[52:09] out?

[52:10] Well, you just get another thorn

[52:13] and you use that thorn to dig out the

[52:15] thorn in your foot. Then you throw them

[52:17] both away.

[52:19] So, you use your mind to resolve the

[52:23] problem that's in your mind. And when

[52:25] the problem is resolved, then it's

[52:27] resolved. And what you don't have to do

[52:31] is get rid of your mind cuz I think

[52:35] Abhishek's use of his words chitta

[52:38] means also silent. There's a very common

[52:41] misunderstanding

[52:43] that somehow we have to make our minds

[52:46] silent.

[52:48] If you have a thorn in your foot,

[52:51] cutting off your foot is a possible

[52:53] solution,

[52:54] but not a preferable [laughter]

[52:58] solution.

[53:00] In the same way, if you have suffering

[53:03] in your mind,

[53:05] making your mind silent

[53:09] is a possible solution,

[53:13] but it's not preferable because if your

[53:15] mind is silent, how can you live your

[53:17] life?

[53:22] So, [snorts]

[53:23] the solution then is not found through

[53:26] controlling

[53:27] the mind. And in in um Abhishek's uh

[53:32] uh Hindi comment here, it looks like

[53:35] he's focused on controlling the mind.

[53:38] We need only an ordinary degree of

[53:41] control over the mind to make the mind

[53:43] prepared

[53:45] to listen to these teachings of Vedanta,

[53:48] to use these teachings of Vedanta to

[53:51] guide the practice of Atma Vichara,

[53:55] self-enquiry, which is a mental

[53:57] practice.

[53:59] That mental practice culminating in the

[54:02] discovery of your true nature as

[54:05] Satchidananda Atma. With that discovery,

[54:08] the so-called veil of ignorance is

[54:10] removed. In the absence of the

[54:12] ignorance, identification with the body

[54:14] and mind go away.

[54:16] Suffering comes to an end. So, the goal

[54:20] is not to make your mind silent. The

[54:23] goal the goal is to engage in a mental

[54:26] practice of Atma Vichara to solve the

[54:30] problem of ignorance, whose locus is in

[54:34] the mind.

[54:36] Okay. There are many more questions,

[54:38] especially in the in the chat here. I

[54:41] apologize. We won't get further. We'll

[54:45] have more questions next week. We'll

[54:47] conclude the prayer.

[54:51] Om Sarve Bhavantu

[54:54] Sukhinaha

[54:56] Sarve

[54:57] Santu Niramayaha

[55:01] Sarve [snorts]

[55:02] Bhadrani Pashyantu

[55:05] Ma Kashchid Duhkha Bhag Bhavet

[55:10] Asatoma

[55:12] Sad Gamaya Tamasoma

[55:16] Jyotir Gamaya Mrityorma

[55:21] Amritam Gamaya Om Shanti

[55:25] Shanti

[55:27] Shantihi

[55:30] Om

[55:31] Tat Sat

[55:33] See you next time.

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In the satsang, Swami Tadatmananda explains that ahankara is loosely translated as ego, but in Advaita it is a technical term for the sense of being an individual being, the feeling that "I am me" identified with body and mind. Everyday usage of the word in Hindi, by contrast, carries the sense of pride.
The teacher suggests they do not, at least not in the Advaita sense, since an infant cannot tell where it ends and its mother begins. He points to developmental psychology, which treats the emergence of individuality and differentiation as one of the first milestones of childhood.
Swami Tadatmananda answers that identification has usually built up over many years, while most practitioners have only a couple of years of intense self-inquiry. He says it is possible to overcome identification, but only through sustained Atma Vichara, and that it comes slowly rather than suddenly.
The teacher argues that the word "become" is the problem, because you already are your true nature, Satchidananda Atma. Using the image of two wrestlers, he suggests that struggling against attachment can keep the struggle going, and that trying to become detached may be a misplaced effort.
Advised by the teacher in response to a Spanish yoga teacher's question, the pragmatic path is to gently place asana in its proper context. Students can be reminded that these teachings come from the ancient rishis and that the purpose of asana is to prepare for meditation, rather than physical perfection, without quitting one's livelihood.
A pramana is a means of valid knowledge in classical Indian philosophy. In the satsang, the teacher uses the analogy of sight seeing an object and the mind understanding things, suggesting that the mind is an instrument that can be turned back on itself, much as one controls the use of the five senses.

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