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When Children's Past-Life Memories Leave a Paper Trail

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The Telepathy Tapes
Oct 14, 2026
10 min read

From The Telepathy Tapes

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Some of the strangest evidence in the study of children's memories begins with an ordinary sentence shouted from a front doorway. In this second episode of the Reincarnation Records series, the story moves from a Milwaukee-area kitchen in the early 1990s to a Louisiana household where a father sets out to disprove his own son's memories and ends up building a file. Along the way, the episode asks the question that has trailed children's past-life research for decades: is it possible to tell a healing story from a verifiable one, and what happens when a case has both? Carol Bowman, a mother turned researcher, is the thread through the episode, and the questions it raises go well beyond her work. They touch on how we know what we know, and who gets to decide when a child's memory is "just a story."

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What happens when a three-year-old says a truck hit him?

The scene the episode builds around is domestic and small. Colleen, the mother of three boys, was in her kitchen when her middle son, Blake, yelled toward the street to warn his older brother Trevor about an oncoming bus. She went to the door to check on Trevor, and found Blake holding his ear. His ear hurt, he said. Why? Because a truck hit him. (The episode's timestamp for this exchange is around 4:44.)

Colleen, recounting it in the episode, first assumed he meant a toy truck, or a playground incident, or something he'd half-seen on television. He corrected her, with growing irritation. It was a real truck. It happened in the street. The wheels went over him. He showed her with his arms, looking up at the sky as if he could see the tires rolling over his body. When she asked whether he had died, she expected him to laugh it off. Instead, as she recalled it: "He just said yes. He died. He's not being silly about it. He really never made up stories anyway."

Most parents would recognize the instinct that came next. Colleen decided to let it go. Children say strange things, and reacting to them can encourage more of it. But the episode's central observation is that these memories rarely wait for an invitation. About a week later, a garbage truck rolled past the house, and Blake said it looked like the truck that had hit him. Colleen's private reaction was that the memory wasn't going away. Her public decision was to stop talking about it.

Why did a child's personality change after the story stopped?

This is where the episode turns from a curious anecdote into a family crisis. The family stopped discussing the truck, and Blake changed. The bright, climbing, boisterous three-year-old who had been "just very active" sat on the couch, stared at the television or out the window, and stopped playing with his brothers. He complained constantly of headaches, arm pain and leg pain. And he was angry, most sharply at the one person trying to help him. Whenever Colleen offered comfort, he pushed her away.

Colleen's first explanation was ordinary, and painful: she wondered whether she had done something wrong as a mother, and whether this was a case of a middle child looking for attention. She did not, at the time, connect the change in her son with the truck. That gap between a parent's ordinary explanations and the strangeness of a child's account is the emotional engine of the whole episode.

It also explains why Carol's broader thesis matters. The series' opening frame, delivered by host Kai Dickens, is that some children's fears, phobias and even physical symptoms might be tied to memories they carry from another life, and that speaking about those memories might help them heal. Dickens recaps the previous episode's case of Carol's own son, Chase, who described being a soldier on a battlefield. After Chase talked through that memory, his terror of loud booming sounds disappeared, and severe eczema on his wrist, in the same place he remembered being shot, cleared up within days. That single result is why Carol started taking these cases seriously. It is also why the question was never just "is this real?" but "does talking about it change anything?"

Can speaking about a past life actually help a child heal?

The episode's description says that in Blake's case, one conversation appeared to change him overnight. That framing is worth holding carefully. What the episode establishes is a sequence: a distressing memory, a period of withdrawal and anger, a parent who did not know what to do, and then a conversation with Carol that seemed to shift things. Whether that shift was the conversation itself, the relief of being believed, or something else entirely is exactly the kind of question a single case cannot settle.

Still, the logic Carol followed is clear, and it is a logic any counselor would recognize. If a child is carrying a frightening memory they have no framework for, and the adults around them treat it as nonsense, the child may be left alone with it. Speaking it aloud, and being heard, could be the difference. The episode doesn't claim that this is proven. It presents healing as the first question, and evidence as the one that came later.

Why was this work so hard to take seriously in the 1990s?

The episode is candid about the conditions. Carol was trying to bring children's past-life memories into the mainstream with, in the episode's words, "no road map, no cultural permission, no internet or social media to find her people." She advertised in Mothering Magazine, and cases trickled in. She wrote articles. She also started graduate school in counseling, and she has said plainly why: "I just felt I need the background in counseling to be able to be taken seriously, too."

Publishing was its own obstacle. Carol had never written anything longer than a college paper, and she needed the work to pay. The rejection letters came from agents, and she has recalled the sting with some humor: "I kept getting rejection letters from agents. Who would want to read this?" The detail matters because it shows how the research was sustained. This was not a sudden pivot from a comfortable career. It was a mother with three kids in Philadelphia, after a move from North Carolina, doing unpaid investigation on the side and wondering whether anyone would listen.

There was also a single moment that made turning back impossible. The episode frames it as a family who needed help, and a case that was far less neat than the ones the series will go on to explore.

What makes a case evidential rather than ambiguous?

Here the episode draws a distinction that is the core of its intellectual argument. Blake's case, Dickens explains, was ambiguous. It was confusing and emotional, difficult to prove, but deeply real to the people living through it. It was more typical of what Carol heard from parents all over the country. By contrast, the strongest cases in the series contain names, places, dates, hobbies and details that can be checked against the life of a real person who once lived.

That difference is the whole game. A child saying "a truck hit me" is a memory that can't be audited. A child naming a specific pilot, a specific ship, and the men who served beside him is making claims that can be tested against records, eyewitnesses and recognitions. The first kind of case asks parents to take a child's word. The second kind asks investigators to look for a dead person whose life matches the child's account. Both can be real experiences. Only one can be checked against a paper trail.

How does a father's skepticism turn into a file of evidence?

The Louisiana case is the one that gives the episode its title. A young boy, James, was plagued by nightmares of dying in a burning airplane. As he began to speak, he offered details about a World War II pilot, an aircraft carrier, fellow servicemen, and where the plane had been shot down. His father, Bruce, a Christian, set out to find another explanation. The episode's description says that his investigation began uncovering names, military records, eyewitnesses, recognitions, and a dead pilot whose life appears to match the boy's memories.

The episode's clips give texture to that investigation. James described a plane and kept returning to the same details, repeating them again and again. When his father heard one of the details, his immediate reaction was a sense that the names didn't belong to anything familiar: "That sounds Japanese." That single line captures the skeptic's position better than any argument could. A father hearing his son's account for the first time was not primed to believe it. The episode reports that the name-matching and recognition moments are what began to shift him, and that he eventually seemed to relent. The episode describes three men from the same squadron matching the boy's account, and a moment when James, arriving at a gathering, seemed to recognize a man by name.

The honest reading is that the episode is not a verdict. It shows a process: a claim, an attempt to explain it away, and a growing pile of checkable matches that resist easy explanation. That process is what separates a story from a file.

Does a paper trail prove reincarnation?

The episode ends on the question it has been building: when a child's story comes with names, records, witnesses, recognitions and a paper trail, does that mean reincarnation is real? Or is something else giving these children access to information they seemingly could not know?

Neither answer is tidy. A matching record is strong evidence that a real person lived and that a child's account lines up with that life. It does not, by itself, establish how the child came to know those details. The episode leaves room for that gap, and so should the reader. What makes the series compelling is that it takes both sides seriously: the emotional reality of a child in distress, and the discipline of trying to check every claim against the world.

  • Start with the child's words, not the interpretation. Blake's account was specific, consistent and offered without prompting.
  • Separate healing from proof. A change in a child's symptoms is not a verified past life, and the episode is careful not to conflate them.
  • Ask what can be checked. Names, dates, units, places and eyewitnesses are where a claim meets the record.
  • Notice the skeptic's arc. The most useful testimony in the episode came from a father who began by trying to explain the story away.

Where to go from here

If this episode raised more questions than it settled, that is the intended effect. Watch the first episode, which introduces Carol Bowman and the case of her son Chase, for the foundation of the healing question. Read the book the Leininger family is connected to, whose title begins with "Soul Survivor," as the episode description points readers toward Bruce and Andrea Leininger's work. Then go back to Blake's story and ask the question the episode leaves open: what would it take to make a memory like his checkable, and what would it mean if it could be?

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[0:00] Hey everyone, this is Kai Dickens and

[0:02] you're listening to the Reincarnation

[0:04] Records from TTT Media.

[0:14] Welcome back to episode two of this

[0:16] series. Last week, we met Carol Bowman,

[0:18] whose 5-year-old son, Chase, described

[0:20] being a soldier on a battlefield. Chase

[0:22] started talking in the first person

[0:25] tense. I'm a soldier. I have a uniform

[0:28] on. It's dirty. I have a big gun with a

[0:31] sword at the end. After Chase talked

[0:33] through that memory, something

[0:35] extraordinary happened. His terror of

[0:37] loud booming sounds disappeared, and the

[0:39] severe eczema on his wrist in the same

[0:41] place where he remembered being shot

[0:43] cleared up within days. The event was so

[0:45] powerful and perplexing that for Carol,

[0:48] it was the beginning of a much larger

[0:49] question. Could some children's fears,

[0:52] phobias, and even physical symptoms be

[0:54] connected to memories they carried from

[0:56] a past life? and if so, could speaking

[0:59] about those memories help them heal?

[1:02] This question launched Carol on a

[1:03] multi-year search for other American

[1:05] families and evidence that healing was

[1:07] possible. I started taking these cases

[1:11] seriously and writing everything up. I

[1:14] wrote a few articles and I had that ad

[1:18] in Mothering Magazine and the cases were

[1:20] trickling in and I was excited with

[1:23] every case that came my way. Of course,

[1:26] you know, they were all little gems for

[1:28] me. And at the same time, I started

[1:31] graduate school. I just felt I need the

[1:33] background in counseling to be able to

[1:36] be taken seriously, too.

[1:38] >> Carol's family had just moved to

[1:40] Philadelphia from North Carolina. She

[1:42] was doing all the research on the side

[1:44] while also going to school and raising

[1:46] her kids.

[1:46] >> You know, we were in turmoil for a

[1:48] little while. Carol was trying to bring

[1:50] children's past life memories into the

[1:52] mainstream in the '9s with no road map,

[1:54] no cultural permission, no internet or

[1:57] social media to find her people, and

[1:58] very little reason to believe that

[2:00] anyone would take her seriously.

[2:02] >> I didn't know how I was going to jump

[2:04] from not being a writer to being a

[2:06] writer. I never written anything more

[2:08] than a college paper. Even people who

[2:11] consider themselves writers find that

[2:12] authoring a book is daunting. And for

[2:14] Carol, [clears throat] whose time was

[2:15] being consumed with this mission, she

[2:17] needed to figure out how to make the

[2:18] work financially viable. And for that,

[2:20] she needed an agent. I kept getting

[2:22] rejection letters from agents.

[2:25] [laughter] Who would want to read this?

[2:27] >> However, when you're pushing against an

[2:29] accepted worldview or paradigm, there's

[2:30] often one person or moment that makes

[2:33] turning back impossible.

[2:34] >> I guess there was an event that really

[2:36] pushed me over the edge.

[2:37] >> A family came along who needed help. And

[2:39] unlike many of the cases we'll explore

[2:41] this season that are filled with

[2:42] evidential names and places, dates and

[2:45] hobbies and details that can actually be

[2:47] checked against the life of a real

[2:49] person who lived. This case was more

[2:51] ambiguous, but it was more reflective of

[2:53] the kinds of cases that Carol was

[2:55] actually hearing from parents all over

[2:56] the country. Confusing and emotional,

[2:59] difficult to prove, but deeply real and

[3:01] distressing to the people living through

[3:03] it. And so this family enters our story

[3:05] not because the case was easy to

[3:06] validate against a real life, but

[3:09] because Carol's work with them would not

[3:11] just end up changing the child's life,

[3:12] but the course of Carol's. In 1992, I

[3:15] got a phone call from a mother in

[3:17] Chicago, Colleen, whose son was having

[3:20] what she believed were past life

[3:21] memories that were deeply troubling him.

[3:24] >> Colleen had found Carol through an ad

[3:25] she put in Mothering Magazine.

[3:27] >> I'm Colleen Hawin. I live in the

[3:29] Milwaukee, Wisconsin area and my

[3:31] thoughts on reincarnation were I had

[3:34] heard of it just slightly and I thought

[3:37] it was pretty weird like how could you

[3:40] be born again? I was thinking you're in

[3:42] the same body, you know, how would that

[3:44] work? So, I thought it was like a very

[3:46] strange idea. Colleen had three sons.

[3:49] Blake was the middle child and before

[3:51] the age of three, there was nothing

[3:53] really unusual about him. He was a very

[3:56] fun, happy, golucky kid. Always playing.

[4:01] Uh he has two brothers, an older and a

[4:03] younger. So the three boys and they're

[4:06] always playing, [laughter]

[4:07] you know, and having a good time. Um he

[4:10] was just very active, very climbing.

[4:13] [laughter]

[4:14] Your typical three-year-old little boy,

[4:17] happy. Then one day, Colleen was in her

[4:20] kitchen when Blake shouted toward the

[4:21] street. So the first time he mentioned

[4:24] something, he was at the front door. I

[4:27] was in the kitchen and I heard him yell

[4:30] out the door. Trevor, which is his older

[4:33] brother, "Get out of the street. The bus

[4:35] is coming."

[4:37] So I went to the door right away to make

[4:39] sure Trevor's okay. And when I got to

[4:42] Blake, he had his hand on his ear and he

[4:44] said, "His ear hurt." And so I said,

[4:48] "Well, why does your ear hurt?" I'm

[4:49] thinking [clears throat] he has an ear

[4:50] infection or something. and he said, "A

[4:52] truck hit me." And [laughter]

[4:55] right away I'm confused. And I'm, "Well,

[4:58] who hit you with a truck?" Here's Carol

[5:00] Bowman again.

[5:00] >> Colleen assumed he was confused and

[5:03] meant a child had hit him with a toy

[5:05] truck in preschool. When she questioned

[5:07] him, he said, "No, a real truck." He

[5:10] said, "No, a big truck." I said, "A big

[5:12] truck that drives on the street?" And he

[5:14] said, "Yeah." You know, I'm thinking,

[5:17] "Did something happen with a [laughter]

[5:19] babysitter or whatever?" in it. And I

[5:21] said, "Well, where were you?" And he

[5:22] said, "In the street." And I said,

[5:24] "Well, where were mom and dad when this

[5:27] happened? Gone bye-bye at the store."

[5:29] So, I'm trying to put it together like,

[5:31] "What in the world is he talking about?"

[5:34] I'm thinking, "Well, maybe he saw

[5:35] something on TV." So, I was like, "Oh,

[5:38] this happened on TV, right?" And he

[5:40] said, "No, it happened in the street."

[5:43] And now he was irritated with me, like,

[5:45] "Don't you know this happened?" And I

[5:47] said, "Well, where were you hurt?" and

[5:49] he pointed to his left side and all

[5:51] over. And then he said the wheels went

[5:54] over me and he took his arms and just

[5:56] like waved over his head looking up like

[5:58] he could see from like the wheels going

[6:00] over him on top of him and he was hurt

[6:03] all over. He said and I so I said, "Did

[6:06] you die?" Cuz I'm thinking, "Well, now

[6:08] he'll have to say that's silly." And he

[6:11] just said very matterof fact, "Yes."

[6:15] He just said yes. He died. He's not

[6:18] being silly about it. He really never

[6:20] made up stories anyway. But I'm

[6:22] thinking, well, if he's thinks he died,

[6:24] then how could he be here? And um so I

[6:27] thought I'm just going to like ignore

[6:29] it. Kids do sometimes say really weird

[6:32] things that parents dismiss. And Colleen

[6:34] didn't want to encourage it. But as

[6:35] we'll discover over the course of this

[6:37] series, these memories don't usually

[6:39] need prompting or questions. Kids bring

[6:41] them up on their own. About a week

[6:43] later, a garbage truck went past the

[6:45] house and he said, "That's like the

[6:48] truck that hit me." And I was like,

[6:50] "Wow,

[6:52] that's okay. It's not going away. He

[6:55] still remembers this. It's not just a

[6:57] story." But um again, I thought, "Okay,

[7:00] well, we we won't talk about it."

[7:02] [gasps]

[7:03] And um and we didn't. And although the

[7:06] family stopped talking about the truck,

[7:08] something in Blake appeared to change.

[7:10] And it wasn't good. He really had a

[7:12] complete personality change from playing

[7:15] and running and jumping and he'd be just

[7:19] sit on the couch, kind of stare at the

[7:21] TV or stare out the window or just not

[7:23] really engage with his two brothers who

[7:25] might be playing. He kept telling me his

[7:27] head hurt, his arm hurt, his leg hurt.

[7:30] And so I thought, "Oh, well, he he just

[7:33] wants attention." So I'd say, "Oh, well,

[7:35] would you like me to rub that for you or

[7:37] no? Go away." Blake was not just

[7:39] withdrawn. He was angry and the anger

[7:42] was aimed directly at his mother and she

[7:44] didn't know why. Nothing had happened

[7:46] between them that would explain it. But

[7:47] whenever she tried to comfort him, he

[7:49] pushed her away. Is this big middle

[7:51] child syndrome? I did not put two and

[7:53] two together as far as anything to do

[7:55] with what he told me about the truck

[7:57] hitting him. I'm just thinking, I must

[7:59] be doing something wrong. Where have I

[8:00] gone wrong as a mother? His demeanor

[8:02] [clears throat] was very flat. He really

[8:04] couldn't sustain any energy towards

[8:07] playing. I I would even put on music

[8:13] and the kids would get up and dance and

[8:15] we'd all dance and bop around and he

[8:17] might do it for 30 seconds and then he'd

[8:21] sit down and he'd be done. The other two

[8:23] boys would still be dancing and come on

[8:26] Blake and no, he would just sit on the

[8:28] couch, thumb in his mouth, just a very

[8:30] blank look on his face, not engaged. I

[8:33] felt that he was clinically depressed.

[8:35] How can a 3-year-old be clinically

[8:37] depressed when there's nothing that

[8:40] happened that would cause it? And I

[8:42] would say, Blake, I love you. And he'd

[8:45] say, "I love you, then I hate you." And

[8:48] I'd think, gosh, so he's angry at me. I

[8:51] don't know why. I just was so confused.

[8:54] I did not know what to do with him. And

[8:56] I think it's fair to interject here,

[8:58] especially as a parent, the kids have

[9:00] big feelings all the time. They get

[9:02] really moody and they say things they

[9:03] don't mean or that don't even make sense

[9:05] and they melt down a lot over things

[9:07] that seem tiny to parents. But what

[9:09] Colleen was describing felt different.

[9:11] Her son had a personality shift. He

[9:13] became depressed and withdrawn and never

[9:16] went back to his happy, playful baseline

[9:18] like most kids do, often in minutes if

[9:20] not hours. So, Colleen, did you take him

[9:22] to a therapist?

[9:23] >> I did not take him to any therapist. I

[9:26] felt a lot of guilt and shame. Probably

[9:29] was the biggest reason. How do I go into

[9:31] a therapist and will they think I've

[9:34] done something wrong? Will they blame

[9:37] me? I was very afraid, very ashamed. And

[9:41] this situation lasted for months. Blake

[9:43] is depressed. He's complaining about the

[9:44] left side of his head and arm and leg

[9:46] hurting. Here's Carol Bowman again. She

[9:48] took Blake to the doctor, but there was

[9:50] nothing physiologically wrong with him.

[9:52] It wasn't until some months later when

[9:54] the family took a trip to London that

[9:56] Colleen started putting the pieces

[9:58] together. That's coming up after this

[10:00] break.

[10:05] Welcome back to the Reincarnation

[10:06] Records. We went on a family trip to

[10:09] London for Christmas. So that was in

[10:11] December. And we were shopping with all

[10:14] the Christmas bustle and everything. And

[10:17] they had the three boys. And Blake was

[10:20] actually in the stroller that his

[10:22] younger brother Dne would normally be

[10:24] in. It was one of those umbrella

[10:26] strollers, so there's nothing in front

[10:27] of him. And we stopped on this traffic,

[10:31] this island. So all the people were

[10:33] crammed in on the island. You really

[10:35] couldn't even move. And the traffic

[10:39] police blew her whistle. Everybody had

[10:41] to stop to let traffic come through.

[10:44] A truck came around the corner, was

[10:47] going to come past us. Blake stood up

[10:51] and stood right in the street in front

[10:53] of the truck and he just stood there

[10:55] kind of blank like we were yelling,

[10:57] "Blake, Blake, get back." I tried to

[10:59] reach him but my arms weren't long

[11:00] enough. My husband grabbed him, pulled

[11:03] him back, and it was so frightening.

[11:11] The truck driver slammed on his brakes,

[11:14] beeped, yelled at us to to watch our

[11:18] bloody child. That's swearing in

[11:19] England, [laughter] bloody. And it was

[11:22] so scary. And I want to pause here again

[11:24] to say that three-year-olds can be very

[11:26] impulsive, and they certainly can step

[11:28] into danger without understanding what

[11:30] they're doing. But what Colleen

[11:31] describes is not a child chasing a ball

[11:34] or trying to balance on a yellow traffic

[11:35] line. Blake stood up from his stroller,

[11:38] walked in front of an oncoming truck,

[11:40] faced it headon while staring it down.

[11:43] And obviously, we don't know what was

[11:44] happening inside of his mind, but to

[11:46] Colleen, it did not feel like ordinary

[11:48] toddler impulsivity. It somehow felt

[11:50] connected to the memory he'd been

[11:51] repeating for months. And one thing I've

[11:53] learned working, especially on the

[11:55] telepathy tapes, is often mothers just

[11:57] have an instinct that's right. He just

[11:59] stood there, blank face, and I thought,

[12:02] does this have something to do with what

[12:05] he told me a few months ago, that he was

[12:07] hit by a truck, and is he trying to be

[12:09] hit by a truck again? I was beside

[12:12] myself with fear and grief and pain and

[12:17] wondering what is going on. When we did

[12:21] get back from our trip in London, that's

[12:23] when I saw Carol Bowman had an ad in the

[12:26] back of Mothering Magazine and it said

[12:29] something to the effect, "Do you believe

[12:32] your child has had a past life?" You

[12:34] know, something to that effect and her

[12:37] name and number and to call her. So, a

[12:40] seed was planted in her mind, as

[12:42] far-fetched as it seemed to her. Could

[12:44] Blake be having memories or pain

[12:46] associated with a past life? I was like,

[12:48] "Oh my gosh, like I was meant to see

[12:51] that ad

[12:53] who maybe can point me in the right

[12:55] direction can help me understand this.

[12:57] What is this?" So, I called her. Here's

[13:00] Carol again, and she remembers this case

[13:02] very well. She was just two going on

[13:05] three. I think Colleen was more

[13:07] frightened than anything. She really

[13:09] didn't know what to do.

[13:11] >> By the things I was telling her, she

[13:13] validated that you, you know, kind of

[13:16] the age of three is when children start

[13:18] remembering these memories and they can

[13:21] start verbalizing them. So, he was at

[13:23] the right age. She explained how they'll

[13:27] be very matterof fact, which I had

[13:29] explained. Yes, it wasn't a fantasy

[13:32] story. It wasn't like silly making up.

[13:34] So just with how she was explaining how

[13:37] this worked with children and what she

[13:39] has learned from her research, it all

[13:42] did seem to fit. So I felt like, okay,

[13:45] she knows what she's talking about.

[13:48] And I felt like she was just, [laughter]

[13:52] you know, kind of [clears throat] a

[13:53] godsend. I explained that to a very

[13:56] young child, a past life memory feels

[13:59] and appears to be as real as something

[14:02] that happened days or weeks ago.

[14:04] Children carry beliefs and feelings with

[14:06] them from their previous lives into the

[14:09] present. The continuum of consciousness

[14:12] from death through rebirth. I explained

[14:15] to her the my biggest fear was what had

[14:18] happened in London where he got up and

[14:21] stood in front of the truck. And if she

[14:25] explained it, I forget the term she

[14:27] used, but how sometimes it's like a

[14:29] psychological

[14:31] term that sometimes people will repeat a

[14:36] trauma in order to try and fix it. She's

[14:39] referencing what psychologists sometimes

[14:41] call repetition compulsion or traumatic

[14:43] reenactment. The idea is that a person

[14:45] may unconsciously return to a scene or

[14:48] pattern or feeling of a trauma almost as

[14:50] if part of them is trying to master it

[14:52] or change the ending or make sense of

[14:54] what happened. Part of their

[14:56] consciousness is still stuck in that

[14:58] past life experience, usually a trauma,

[15:02] and they don't know that they made a

[15:04] transition into another body. they can't

[15:06] distinguish past from present.

[15:09] >> And to me, this tracked because over the

[15:10] course of working on this series, I

[15:12] found that many kids talk about their

[15:14] memories in first person or present

[15:16] tense. So, from that perspective, if

[15:18] this really was happening, if his

[15:20] reincarnation memories were real, it

[15:22] must feel like there isn't a separation

[15:25] between one life and the next. She said,

[15:27] "When I go to comfort Blake about his

[15:30] aches and pains and his sadness, he

[15:32] pushes me away." At that point, I

[15:34] suspected that Blake was confusing the

[15:38] former mother with Colleen. That was a

[15:40] light bulb moment for me. I thought,

[15:43] "This is why he's behaving in such a

[15:46] clinically depressed way. He's angry at

[15:49] me for not being there protecting him

[15:52] from being hit by a truck." And that's

[15:54] why, you know, the I love you then I

[15:55] hate you. That was the best way he could

[15:57] describe it is just facts. Mommy didn't

[16:01] save me. Mommy was gone when this

[16:04] happened. She didn't love me. Then Carol

[16:08] gave me suggestions on how to help Blake

[16:11] through it. I told Colleen to wait until

[16:13] she was alone with Blake and he was

[16:15] relaxed before bedtime or bath time. A

[16:18] quiet time where he'd be receptive. That

[16:21] was very important, not while he was

[16:22] busy doing something.

[16:24] >> I imagine this must have sounded really

[16:26] strange to Colleen. I told her what I

[16:29] tell every other parent. Listen and

[16:32] acknowledge Blake's memory, joy in his

[16:35] reality,

[16:36] and let him know that she knew he was

[16:39] hit by a truck. So, I tucked him into

[16:42] bed, got him all comfortable, kind of

[16:44] gave him a little back scratch, and got

[16:46] him all just relaxed. And then, and I

[16:49] was scared to do this because

[16:51] [laughter and gasps] I'm going to talk

[16:53] to my three-year-old son about when he

[16:55] lived a different life. So I started out

[16:58] and I said, "Blake, were you hit by a

[17:01] truck?" He said, 'Yeah.' And so he's

[17:03] still remembering. He told me his head

[17:05] hurt, his arm hurt, his leg hurt. And I

[17:08] said, "Well, you know, when you were hit

[17:10] by that truck, you had a different

[17:12] body." And he kind of looked like, "Oh."

[17:16] And I said, [music] "And you had a

[17:18] different mommy

[17:20] and you had a different life." And he

[17:22] was like all [music] of a sudden eyes

[17:24] bright just total different look on his

[17:27] face. I had a different mommy. I said,

[17:30] "Yeah, you I had a different body."

[17:33] Yeah. And then I said something to the

[17:36] effect of, "You know, and now you're

[17:38] safe. I'm your new mommy and I love you

[17:41] very much. And you have a daddy and you

[17:44] have your brothers and I named his nana

[17:46] and how everybody loves him and that

[17:48] he's safe." Blake needed to know that he

[17:52] made this transition into a new life and

[17:54] that he was now protected by her.

[17:57] Listening to this, I had the same

[17:59] question that I imagine a lot of parents

[18:00] would. Would saying something like this

[18:02] to a toddler scare them more? I mean,

[18:04] hearing that you had a different body, a

[18:06] different mother, a different life. From

[18:08] my point of view, it sounds like

[18:09] something that could really overwhelm or

[18:11] even freak out a child. But Colleen said

[18:14] the opposite happened. He just lit up.

[18:17] The look on his face was amazing. And I

[18:20] was thinking, "This is going well."

[18:22] [laughter] Now, this is something I did

[18:24] not tell my husband I was going to do

[18:25] this because I thought he's going to

[18:27] tell me I can't. You can't tell a

[18:29] three-year-old that that he has a

[18:30] different new body and all that. So, I

[18:32] didn't tell him. And then I thought,

[18:35] well, okay, that went really well. He

[18:37] seemed to receive that nicely. And I'm

[18:40] thinking, well, this is probably going

[18:42] to be a lot of conversations where I

[18:43] have to remind him or just kind of keep

[18:46] going through it.

[18:47] >> I was hoping this would work because I

[18:49] didn't know what else Colleen could do.

[18:51] >> So, the next morning he gets up. His

[18:54] demeanor was very different. He's

[18:56] playing with his brothers, laughing and

[18:59] jumping around, and I'm waiting for him

[19:01] to like sit down on the couch again. I'm

[19:03] waiting for it to end, and it didn't.

[19:06] And I remember saying to my husband, I

[19:07] said, "Do you notice anything different

[19:09] about Blakey?" He said, "Yeah, he's

[19:11] playing." And I said, "Yeah, you want to

[19:14] know why?" And then I told him, and I

[19:17] remember him saying, "I never would have

[19:19] believed it if I hadn't seen it with my

[19:21] own eyes, this transformation."

[19:24] And I mean, I was nervous for the next

[19:26] few days, but he never went back. It was

[19:28] done. It was like healed, like, "Oh, we

[19:31] got our Blake back." She said Blake was

[19:33] back to his old smiley self as he had

[19:35] been before he started remembering the

[19:37] accident.

[19:38] >> And to me, one of the most interesting

[19:40] things about this case is what happened

[19:41] to his bodily pains. All of the aches

[19:44] and pains that he had been complaining

[19:46] about for months on the left side of his

[19:48] body completely went away.

[19:51] >> So unbelievable. I remember saying to

[19:53] her how well it worked and how wonderful

[19:55] it was. And just with that one

[19:58] conversation, he got it and it just

[20:01] changed everything. And then I remember

[20:03] saying, you know, more parents need to

[20:05] know about this. I I went through really

[20:08] hell and [gasps and laughter]

[20:10] without Carol, you know, I wonder what

[20:12] would have happened to Blake if all all

[20:14] through his life he felt his mom didn't

[20:17] love him or, you know, would he have

[20:19] ended up on drugs or I don't know what

[20:21] would have happened. By that time, I'd

[20:23] been doing this for about what, five

[20:25] years or so. And I knew that's what

[20:27] parents wanted. You know, no one was

[20:30] telling parents, "This is normal, and

[20:32] here's what you do." And Colleen was

[20:35] going to become more than just another

[20:36] parent that Carol helped. Colleen was so

[20:38] deeply moved by the shift she witnessed

[20:41] in her son that she also wanted other

[20:43] parents out there to know that this kind

[20:44] of healing might be possible. And I

[20:47] said, "I'm going to write to Oprah.

[20:49] [laughter] She's into this a little bit

[20:51] of woo woo." she was and all that. And

[20:54] he said, "Well, I'm going to write to

[20:55] Oprah." Carol said, "Well, you do that."

[20:58] [laughter]

[20:59] So, I did and nothing happened. She

[21:03] wrote a letter to Oprah and they had

[21:05] filed it away in a file that read

[21:08] children's phobias, which was not

[21:10] exactly what it was. Maybe a year later,

[21:14] a producer or somebody called me. I gave

[21:17] her Carol Bowman's number. So they

[21:19] called Carol and this eventually turned

[21:23] into a whole episode on Oprah about

[21:25] children's past lives. Carol, how did

[21:27] that feel? Because up until then you

[21:29] were kind of, you know, privately

[21:30] toiling away. Did this feel like, you

[21:32] know, a big break?

[21:33] >> When I got the call from Oprah, I knew I

[21:36] had to do it and I was petrified. I had

[21:39] never done any public speaking before

[21:41] [laughter]

[21:42] and I just found the steel in me. Carol

[21:46] Bowman says many children do remember

[21:48] their past lives easily and look for

[21:50] opportunities to express them. She spent

[21:53] the last six years researching and

[21:54] writing about children's past life

[21:55] experiences.

[21:56] >> Young children, as soon as they become

[21:59] verbal, like around age 2 to about age

[22:01] seven, can have these memories and

[22:03] they're unrecognized in this culture.

[22:06] >> On this show, Colleen's case was also

[22:07] explored and Oprah interviewed Chase,

[22:10] Carol's own son, whose battlefield

[22:12] memory had started Carol's work in the

[22:14] first place. Now, Chase says he was just

[22:17] five when he first remembered being a

[22:19] black soldier in the Civil War.

[22:22] >> What I love is that the producers even

[22:24] brought in an illustrator to help Chase

[22:26] bring the visions trapped in his mind to

[22:28] life. And a Civil War historian took a

[22:30] look at the illustrations and the

[22:31] details that Chase had recounted.

[22:33] >> By nature, I'm skeptical. I need uh I

[22:36] need to see more evidence. Everything he

[22:37] says is consistent with things that

[22:39] could have happened, though. Oprah was

[22:41] balanced and thoughtful and her taking

[22:43] it seriously was a gamecher for Carol.

[22:45] >> It aired in 94 at the height of Oprah's

[22:48] popularity and she was fantastic. She

[22:51] made it easy for us. Oprah certainly

[22:53] elevated me from housewife to

[22:57] researcher and my research changed

[23:00] because I was getting so many more cases

[23:02] >> and in many cases the public was

[23:04] teaching her about this phenomena. One

[23:06] thing she learned from parents writing

[23:07] in was that not all cases were centered

[23:10] on trauma. In fact, there were often

[23:11] just sweet, small little stories that

[23:13] caused Carol to marvel. I remember a

[23:15] case of one little boy who lost a button

[23:18] on his pants and he went into his

[23:20] mother's sewing kit, got the thread

[23:23] needle, and sewed the button perfectly

[23:26] on his pants. He was four years old, by

[23:29] the way. And when his mother asked him,

[23:31] "How do you know to do that? I never

[23:33] taught you how to sew." He said, 'Well,

[23:35] I used to do it before when I was a

[23:37] sailor on a boat. And he described an

[23:41] old wooden boat that creaked at night

[23:43] when he was trying to sleep. He told his

[23:46] mother exactly where he learned this,

[23:48] and I thought that was amazing. We're

[23:50] going to take a quick break right there,

[23:52] but when we get back, Carol's journey

[23:53] changes forever as more cases flood in,

[23:56] including a case that would become one

[23:58] of the most well-known and carefully

[24:00] investigated American cases in

[24:02] reincarnation history.

[24:09] Welcome back to the reincarnation

[24:11] records. After Oprah, I was doing a lot

[24:14] of interviewing. I got a good publishing

[24:17] contract. So, it's kind of like a rags

[24:19] to rich's story with the publishing and

[24:22] everything just fell into place. The

[24:24] cases Carol had been collecting over the

[24:26] past six years, the research, the phone

[24:28] conversations, the dream of writing a

[24:30] book that could help parents was

[24:32] suddenly on its way.

[24:33] >> My first book, Children's Past lives,

[24:36] was published in March of 1997.

[24:39] >> And with that greater exposure came what

[24:41] would become one of the best known and

[24:44] most widely publicized American cases of

[24:46] a child who appeared to remember a past

[24:49] life. In 2001, I found a remarkable case

[24:53] rich in verifiable detail.

[24:55] >> It's being called the case for

[24:57] reincarnation.

[24:58] >> Two downto-earth parents who thought

[25:00] they understood the mysteries of life.

[25:03] That is until their toddler began to

[25:05] talk.

[25:06] >> But long before it reached a national

[25:07] audience, the story unfolded outside of

[25:10] public view with two confused and

[25:11] concerned parents who sought Carol's

[25:13] help privately.

[25:14] >> The James Lininger case. It became the

[25:17] best known American case of a child's

[25:20] past life memories.

[25:21] >> Carol had found the case she'd been

[25:23] searching for, an American modern case

[25:25] with names and places, military records,

[25:28] eyewitnesses, surviving members, and

[25:30] maybe most importantly, parents who

[25:32] didn't believe in reincarnation and did

[25:33] not want any of it to be true. James

[25:35] Lightinger was born in 1998 to Andrea

[25:38] and Bruce, a Christian couple living in

[25:40] Louisiana. And from almost the beginning

[25:42] of James' life, he had one obsession,

[25:45] airplanes.

[25:46] >> One of James' first words was airplane.

[25:50] And the only toys he wanted were

[25:52] airplanes.

[25:52] >> And that in and of itself is not

[25:54] extraordinary. Lots of little kids

[25:56] become fixated on trains and fire trucks

[25:58] and planes. But with James, the

[26:00] fascination had a strange edge to it,

[26:02] which became really apparent when he was

[26:04] able to talk. When James was two, Andrea

[26:07] was shopping with him and found a toy

[26:09] plane and said, "Oh, look. Here's a

[26:11] plane. It even has a bomb at the bottom.

[26:14] She handed it to James and he turned it

[26:16] upside down and said, "That's not a

[26:17] bomb, mama. That's a drop tank." I'd

[26:19] never heard of a drop tank. I didn't

[26:21] know what a drop tank was.

[26:22] >> That's the voice of James' mom, Andrea,

[26:24] from an interview she did on ABC Prime

[26:26] Time in 2004, almost 4 years after James

[26:29] first started to have his memories. We

[26:31] could not reach the Liningers for an

[26:33] interview, so we're going to rely on

[26:34] some of these archival news interviews

[26:36] to help tell their story. But it's

[26:38] important to know that Carol and the

[26:39] family were deep in this mystery for

[26:41] years before it went public. And here's

[26:43] his dad, Bruce.

[26:44] >> I took him to the Kavanaaugh Flight

[26:46] Museum that every time we went to the

[26:48] area where the World War II aircraft

[26:50] were located, he would just stand there

[26:53] and point, mesmerized.

[26:54] >> Little James recognized the Steely War

[26:57] Machines with a certain familiarity and

[27:00] comfort. This trip to the flight museum

[27:02] happened when he was 22 months old. And

[27:04] there's old home video of James

[27:06] inspecting the planes, knowing things

[27:08] about them, pointing at them, and that's

[27:10] obviously not enough to build a case on.

[27:12] But then the nightmares began. Here's

[27:13] Carol Bowman again.

[27:14] >> He would scream and thrash and cry

[27:17] saying airplane crash, plane on fire.

[27:19] And he would repeat it again and again.

[27:21] >> I'd wake him up and he'd be screaming

[27:23] and he'd always be laying on his back

[27:24] kicking his feet up at the ceiling. And

[27:26] I'd say, "Baby, what were you dreaming

[27:27] about?" He'd say, "Elane crash on fire.

[27:29] The little man can't get out.

[27:30] >> When Andrea and Bruce asked him who

[27:32] little man was, he said, "That's me."

[27:35] They asked, "Do you remember little

[27:37] man's name?" He would always say,

[27:39] "James."

[27:40] >> Which I want to add was the little boy's

[27:42] name. So that doesn't necessarily seem

[27:44] odd, at least not yet.

[27:46] >> He was having these nightmares four to

[27:48] five times a week, and no one was

[27:50] getting any sleep. One thing that gave

[27:52] me pause when going through all the old

[27:53] tape of interviews by the parents was a

[27:55] moment when his dad Bruce asked why his

[27:57] plane went down in the first place. And

[27:59] James said very matterofactly because it

[28:02] was shot. And then when Bruce asked who

[28:05] shot the plane, young James seemed

[28:07] flabbergasted and annoyed that his dad

[28:09] didn't know.

[28:10] >> I'll never forget the look on his face.

[28:11] He went the Japanese.

[28:15] >> James was two at the time. And if you

[28:17] talk to most parents out there, toddlers

[28:19] do not know that America and Japan were

[28:21] ever at war. Here's an interview that

[28:23] James' mom did with ABC.

[28:24] >> I knew what he watched on television. I

[28:26] knew what stories I read to him. I'm a

[28:28] protective first time southern mother.

[28:31] >> But James kept talking and the parents

[28:33] started to ask simple questions to try

[28:35] to understand more. You know, where was

[28:36] this coming from? Why was he saying it?

[28:39] >> They asked, "Do you remember what kind

[28:40] of plane you flew?" He would always say,

[28:43] "A Corsair."

[28:44] >> The Corsair. The plane that young James

[28:47] mentioned was a World War II fighter

[28:49] plane. It entered combat in 1943 and was

[28:52] heavily used in the Pacific, especially

[28:54] by the Marines.

[28:55] >> Not only did James remember flying a

[28:57] Corsair, he demonstrated knowledge of

[28:59] the plane's peculiarities. Like the time

[29:02] he was flipping through a book about

[29:03] planes,

[29:04] >> he got to the Corsair and he said,

[29:05] "That's a Corsair." And he goes, "You

[29:07] know what? They used to get flat tires

[29:10] all the time." And here's Carol Bowman

[29:12] again recounting from her notes some of

[29:14] the early questions the parents asked.

[29:16] They asked, "Do you remember where your

[29:18] plane took off from a boat? Do you

[29:21] remember the name of the boat, the NMA?"

[29:24] Bruce said, "That sounds Japanese."

[29:27] James replied, "It's American." This

[29:29] period of question and answering did not

[29:31] just happen in a single day. But as this

[29:33] detailed information trickled in, his

[29:35] dad, Bruce, was searching for an

[29:37] explanation. How did his son know all

[29:39] this information about World War II? And

[29:41] was any of it even correct?

[29:42] >> Bruce went to his computer to see if he

[29:45] could verify any of this information. He

[29:47] found that there was indeed an American

[29:50] aircraft carrier called the NMA Bay that

[29:52] served in the Pacific in World War II.

[29:54] >> And then came a really weird moment.

[29:56] >> During the Christmas holiday, Bruce had

[29:59] received a book about the Battle of

[30:00] Wuima and was reading it while James sat

[30:03] on his lap. They got to a page with an

[30:06] aerial shot of Euima and 2-year-old

[30:08] James said, "Daddy, that's where my

[30:11] plane was shot down." And he repeated

[30:14] that statement.

[30:15] >> And in Carol's records, it was noted

[30:17] that his dad, Bruce, felt shocked. I

[30:19] mean, what 2-year-old says that?

[30:21] >> He was even more shocked when he found

[30:23] through an internet search that Bay, the

[30:26] aircraft carrier, was in that battle,

[30:28] the Battle of Ewima. I mean, at this

[30:31] point, someone in their periphery had to

[30:32] start thinking past life. Andrew was

[30:34] putting together the pieces, and she

[30:37] believed that James was remembering a

[30:39] past life, but Bruce felt it was heresy

[30:43] to believe that this was a case of

[30:45] reincarnation.

[30:46] And he was on a mission to disprove his

[30:49] son's statements and protect his own

[30:52] beliefs. And because reincarnation feels

[30:54] so beyond the boundaries of what many of

[30:56] us are taught, we'll spend time later in

[30:58] the series exploring where reincarnation

[31:00] fits into the world's religious

[31:01] traditions. Because it's more

[31:03] complicated than many people realize,

[31:05] many of the monotheistic faiths like

[31:06] Judaism and Christianity and Islam

[31:09] actually debated the validity of

[31:10] reincarnation throughout their history

[31:12] and have some sects that believe in it.

[31:14] But now back to Carol. So Carol, when

[31:15] did you come into their lives? Andrea's

[31:17] mother sent her a copy of my first book,

[31:19] Children's Past Lives, because they were

[31:22] desperate for guidance. The most

[31:23] pressing issue was his nightmares. These

[31:26] nightmares persisted for months. Carol

[31:29] emailed back, willing to help.

[31:31] >> I told her what I tell every other

[31:32] parent. Join his reality. Ask open-ended

[31:35] questions. Acknowledge what he was

[31:37] saying, assure him that that was

[31:39] something that happened before and that

[31:42] he was now in a new life in a new body.

[31:44] And it did seem to help because a few

[31:46] weeks later, Andrea emailed Carol to

[31:48] thank her.

[31:48] >> She followed my advice and the

[31:50] techniques worked.

[31:51] >> The nightmares immediately started

[31:54] reducing in frequency. He went down from

[31:56] three or four times a week to maybe one

[31:58] a week, one every other week. And at

[32:00] that point was when he started to

[32:02] articulate more about these past life

[32:04] memories.

[32:05] >> More details came. It was almost as if

[32:07] by his parents joining his reality, he

[32:09] felt more able to share. He began to

[32:11] draw pictures of propeller planes being

[32:13] shot down from boats in these frenetic

[32:16] drawings which Andrea shared with me.

[32:18] There was fire and enemy flack in the

[32:20] sky. Here's his mom again from an

[32:22] interview she did on Fox and Friends.

[32:24] >> It was almost a pathological process. He

[32:26] would put the planes and the ships and

[32:28] then he would almost be acting out a

[32:29] battle. He would be shooting and firing

[32:32] and he would always sign the drawings

[32:34] with James 3. When his parents asked him

[32:38] why he signed his drawings this way, he

[32:40] said, "Because I'm the third James."

[32:42] They asked if he could remember the

[32:44] names of any of his friends. He said,

[32:46] "Jack. Jack Larson. He's a pilot, too."

[32:51] >> Jack Larson. That name will matter

[32:53] later. But at this point, it was just

[32:55] one more impossible sounding detail from

[32:57] a toddler. And none of this was sitting

[32:59] well with Bruce, James's dad.

[33:01] >> I was not just skeptical. I was adamant

[33:04] that this was not happening in my house.

[33:07] and my my belief system rebelled against

[33:10] the concept and the idea of

[33:12] reincarnation and past lives. Bruce was

[33:15] so intent in figuring out this mystery

[33:18] that he started going to reunions of the

[33:20] NMA Bay veterans in the guise of doing

[33:23] research for a book about the Noma Bay.

[33:27] >> Okay. I kind of love that.

[33:28] >> Yeah, I know. But he actually needed

[33:30] more information about the crew that he

[33:32] couldn't find in his online searches.

[33:34] There was a veteran named Leo Pipe, now

[33:36] in his 80s, that served on the NMA Bay,

[33:39] the aircraft carrier that James talked

[33:41] about as a toddler. And Bruce initially

[33:43] reached out to him to kind of put an end

[33:45] to this reincarnation nonsense.

[33:46] >> I wanted to disprove it.

[33:48] >> And here is Leo Pipe talking about his

[33:50] conversation with Bruce, James' father.

[33:52] >> He asked [clears throat] a few questions

[33:54] about, "Did I know some of the people?"

[33:56] Oh, yeah. I remember those people. And

[33:59] he got uh very quiet. Jack Larson was a

[34:03] real person. And here's Bruce recounting

[34:05] that story on Fox and Friends in 2004.

[34:08] >> What I found out by contacting a

[34:11] veterans organization, never expecting

[34:13] to confirm this name Jack Larson. I

[34:16] asked a guy named Leo Piatt, "Do you

[34:17] remember a guy named Jack Larson?" And

[34:19] he says, "Oh yeah, he flew off one day

[34:20] and we never saw him again." So it led

[34:22] me to believe initially that that's who

[34:25] had been killed. meaning his dad was

[34:27] thinking Jack Larson was the pilot who

[34:29] was shot down in the Pacific and

[34:30] possibly the memories that his son was

[34:32] tapping into somehow. And if that was

[34:34] the case, it would disqualify the

[34:36] reincarnation theory because his son

[34:37] kept saying his name was James. However,

[34:40] the family soon discovered that Jack

[34:42] Larson was not actually shot down over

[34:44] the Pacific. He was alive and well and

[34:47] living in Arkansas. So, they were back

[34:48] to the drawing board. Jack Larson was

[34:51] real. The name checked out, but it

[34:52] wasn't who died. But with the help of

[34:54] veterans, Bruce was able to find out

[34:56] something he could not find online or

[34:59] anywhere. In fact, it was Ralph Carver,

[35:01] a veteran in his early 80s, who helped

[35:04] fill in the missing piece. Carver had

[35:06] also flown from the deck of the NMA Bay.

[35:08] On March 3rd, 1945, he took part in a

[35:11] strike against the Japanese during the

[35:13] Battle of Ewima. Flying beside Ralph

[35:16] Carver that day was another Noma Bay

[35:18] pilot, Lieutenant James Houston Jr. And

[35:22] here's a clip of an interview with Ralph

[35:24] Carver.

[35:24] >> We experienced uh pretty heavy in

[35:27] aircraft fire, but uh this was the most

[35:29] intense that I experienced at any time.

[35:32] >> And then there was a bright light at the

[35:34] front of James Houston's plane.

[35:36] >> I saw the hit.

[35:39] I would say he was hit head on. Yeah.

[35:41] Right on the middle of the engine.

[35:43] >> There was one pilot, just one pilot

[35:46] whose plane was shot down in the way

[35:48] James described near Euima. His name was

[35:51] James Houston Jr.

[35:54] >> And because this veteran's name was

[35:55] James Jr., then little James Lininger's

[35:58] signature suddenly made sense. He would

[36:01] have been the third James if he truly

[36:03] felt like he was the reincarnation of

[36:04] James Jr.

[36:05] >> He died in 1945 at the age of 21 and he

[36:09] flew a Corsair. And at this point,

[36:12] looking over the notes of the case and

[36:14] talking to Carol, Bruce, having tried

[36:16] desperately to not allow reincarnation

[36:18] to be the answer, seemed to relent.

[36:20] >> It just crystallized in my mind, this

[36:24] this has to be who we're talking about.

[36:26] You know, my meter of skepticism was

[36:29] starting to go over toward belief.

[36:31] >> Here's Carol Bowman again. I felt so

[36:34] fortunate to be able to follow this

[36:35] amazing case as it unfolded. With each

[36:38] new discovery, Bruce and Andrea called

[36:41] me to keep me informed. I became as

[36:43] excited as they were with each new

[36:45] revelation that authenticated James

[36:47] memories. Through Bruce's investigation

[36:49] and a new connection to James Houston's

[36:51] former squadron, the family finally

[36:54] began getting answers. But what they

[36:56] discovered next was shocking. So, here's

[36:58] the backstory. Young James Lininger

[37:00] played constantly with G.I. Joe dolls.

[37:02] >> He named his three dolls Billy, Leon,

[37:06] and Walter. His parents thought they

[37:08] were unusual names for a little boy's

[37:10] toys. When they asked him why he gave

[37:13] them those names, he replied very

[37:15] matterofactly, "Because that's who met

[37:18] me when I got to heaven." Then he went

[37:21] back to playing with his toys. Bruce

[37:23] went to his computer where he had files

[37:25] with dates and details of the men from

[37:27] the NMA Bay who were killed in battle.

[37:31] There he found that there were three men

[37:33] all in the same squadron named Billy,

[37:37] Leon, and Walter who were all killed in

[37:40] 1944.

[37:42] James Houston died in 1945.

[37:45] I feel like I've read and watched every

[37:46] account of the story, and that piece

[37:48] often gets brushed over, but to me, it's

[37:50] wild that little 3-year-old James named

[37:53] his G.I. Joe dolls, three names of

[37:56] people he said met him in heaven. And

[37:58] then his father found out that the names

[38:01] matched three men from the same squadron

[38:03] in which James served who died in battle

[38:06] a year before James Houston Jr. died.

[38:09] And this story also created a major

[38:11] cognitive dissonance for me. Starting

[38:12] with if reincarnation is real, what does

[38:15] that mean about the afterlife in heaven?

[38:17] Are the two ideas even compatible? But

[38:19] if you've been with me over the last few

[38:21] seasons, we've explored many stories

[38:23] that suggest consciousness survives

[38:25] death. Whatever your interpretation, the

[38:27] evidence has repeatedly pointed toward

[38:29] the possibility that something continues

[38:31] beyond this life. So then came this

[38:33] moment where heaven and reincarnation

[38:35] don't seem to compete with one another

[38:36] at all. At least in this recollection

[38:38] from James, they appear to be part of

[38:40] the same larger story. And on this show,

[38:43] I'll never tell anyone what to believe.

[38:45] That's not what this series about. It's

[38:47] not what I'm about. But I did find

[38:48] myself wondering, you know, what if a

[38:50] merciful God or universe gives us more

[38:53] than one opportunity? Because if a life

[38:55] ends before someone ever experiences

[38:57] love or purpose or parenthood or the

[38:59] chance to be who they were meant to be,

[39:01] it just feels so unfair. And that's why

[39:03] the death of a young person can just

[39:04] feel so brutal. And in this case, James

[39:07] Houston Jr. never came home from the

[39:09] war. He never started a family. To my

[39:11] knowledge, he never fell in love. He

[39:12] never had the chance to discover who he

[39:14] was or what he might accomplish. But if

[39:16] reincarnation is real, maybe those

[39:18] experiences and opportunities aren't

[39:20] lost forever. But for now, back to our

[39:22] story. Andrea wanted to know if James

[39:24] Houston Jr. had any living relatives who

[39:27] could validate James' memories of his

[39:29] life before he was a pilot. And she

[39:31] eventually found that James Houston Jr.

[39:33] had a surviving sister, Anne Houston

[39:36] Baron, who was alive and in her 80s.

[39:39] Andrea contacted Anne and told her that

[39:42] she and her husband were writing a book

[39:44] about the NMA Bay. And I just want to

[39:46] interject a reminder here that the

[39:48] family's first contacts with most of the

[39:50] people involved started with them

[39:52] claiming they were writing a book about

[39:53] the NMA Bay. Andrea and Anne established

[39:56] a rapport on the phone and Anne sent

[39:58] Andrea her photos of her brother. One of

[40:01] the photos was of his squadron and a

[40:04] James Houston proudly stood in front of

[40:06] a corair, the type of plane young James

[40:09] told his parents he flew. The family had

[40:12] been getting really interesting

[40:13] information validating James' memories.

[40:16] And the case was becoming so evidential

[40:18] that it was top of mind for Carol when

[40:20] she was contacted by a news channel

[40:21] looking to cover a case of past life

[40:23] memory. I was in touch with a producer

[40:25] at ABC TV who wanted to document a case

[40:28] of a child's past life memory. I

[40:31] introduced her to the Liningers and by

[40:33] 2004 there was an abundance of evidence

[40:36] that this was a real case of

[40:38] reincarnation. The liningers and I were

[40:41] interviewed for the segments on ABC

[40:43] prime time. But before the piece was

[40:46] broadcast, I called Andrea to suggest

[40:48] that she revealed to Anne Baron there

[40:51] really weren't writing about the Noma

[40:53] Bay. Rather, they believed that their

[40:56] son was the reincarnation of her

[40:58] brother. I told Andrea that if Anne

[41:00] happened to see this on TV, she might

[41:02] have a heart attack. So Andrea called

[41:04] her and explained everything. Andrea

[41:07] also shared some of the comments James

[41:09] made about the Houston family, details

[41:11] that no one outside of the Houston

[41:14] family could possibly know. After the

[41:16] ABC prime time aired and the truth came

[41:18] out to the veterans of the NMA Bay that

[41:21] they were actually writing about James

[41:23] and not the boat, the Lininger family

[41:25] attended another reunion. I just have to

[41:28] jump in here. I just want to give props

[41:29] to the veterans of the NMA Bay for

[41:32] hearing this about little James and

[41:33] still extending an invite for the family

[41:36] to go to a reunion because that could

[41:38] have gone sideways. On the first day of

[41:39] the reunion, Andrea, Bruce, and James

[41:42] were walking down the hall and a man

[41:44] they hadn't seen before stopped and

[41:46] asked James, "Do you know who I am?"

[41:49] James looked at him in the eye and said,

[41:51] "You're Bob Greenwalt."

[41:54] The man looked shocked and said, "That's

[41:57] right." Andrea asked him, "Are you

[42:00] really Bob Greenwalt?" He said, "Yes."

[42:03] Later, Bruce asked James how he knew who

[42:05] the man was. James told him, "I

[42:08] recognized his voice." This is what, 50,

[42:11] 60 years later. But someone else was

[42:14] invited to this reunion as well. James

[42:16] Houston's sister, Anne Houston Baron,

[42:19] who was 85 years old when little James

[42:21] Lininger met her at the 2004 VC81

[42:25] Squadron reunion in San Antonio, Texas.

[42:27] And he goes, "It's not Ann, it's Annie.

[42:30] She wasn't my oldest sister. I had an

[42:31] older sister than that." And I said,

[42:33] "You did? Who is that?" And he goes,

[42:35] "Roof. I mean Ruth."

[42:37] >> And that was true. And here's James

[42:39] Houston's sister.

[42:40] >> Eddie is what they called me when I was

[42:42] little. knowing my name and my sister's

[42:45] name, things that my brother did when he

[42:47] was a kid. It's too amazing to describe

[42:50] how he would feel that that way, but he

[42:53] does. He considers me his sister.

[42:55] >> But despite all the things little James

[42:57] Lightinger said to her, does she

[42:59] consider him to be the reincarnated soul

[43:01] of her brother?

[43:02] >> I think it's probably a reincarnation of

[43:05] my brother.

[43:06] >> There was just no other explanation for

[43:08] how he knew all of this. She even sent

[43:11] some of her brother's belongings for

[43:13] James. One was a model of a Corsair

[43:15] airplane.

[43:16] >> Leo, James Houston Jr.'s old comrade was

[43:19] also shown some of the three-year-old's

[43:21] drawings from a plane crashing and

[43:22] burning. And Leo responded to them with

[43:25] conviction.

[43:25] >> He was right on the nose. I'm sure in my

[43:29] mind that he was there.

[43:30] >> At this point, James Lightinger's

[43:32] parents, many of the former surviving

[43:33] squadron members, and Anne Houston were

[43:36] convinced that James Houston Jr. soul or

[43:38] consciousness was back and inside the

[43:40] body of a little boy. The details were

[43:42] too specific and they bore out under

[43:44] scrutiny and that case became national

[43:46] news. But the moment maybe most

[43:48] important to this whole journey and to

[43:50] Carol Bowman's working thesis was a

[43:52] moment of healing transformation that

[43:54] finally happened when James was 8 years

[43:56] old. A Japanese production company

[43:58] wanted to fly the Liners to Japan and

[44:01] have a memorial service where James

[44:03] Houston's plane was shot down. The

[44:05] family and a film crew took a boat to

[44:07] the sight of the crash. When they

[44:09] arrived, 8-year-old James burst into

[44:12] tears. He recovered enough to throw a

[44:14] bouquet of flowers in the water, which

[44:17] Anne Baron had requested. As they threw

[44:20] the bouquet, James said, "Goodbye, James

[44:23] Houston. [music] I'll never forget you."

[44:26] Andrea said that at that point, everyone

[44:28] on the boat was crying.

[44:30] >> But did it work or did it retraumatize

[44:32] him? After the trip, James' memories

[44:34] started to fade, and his drawings of

[44:36] planes being shot down changed. Instead

[44:39] of boats firing at airplanes, he drew

[44:42] happy scenes of dolphins jumping. In one

[44:44] of his drawings, an intact plane was

[44:46] flying over a field of flowers. So, you

[44:49] think that it was good for him to go to

[44:51] the place of his death.

[44:52] >> That image said it all. James finally

[44:54] seemed to have closure on his former

[44:56] life. He was finally able to let go, and

[44:59] he no longer signed his drawings. James

[45:02] 3. It was just James.

[45:04] >> A book about the lighting girl's

[45:06] experience was written by Bruce and

[45:07] Andrea and published in 2009. It was

[45:10] called Soul Survivor. These stories have

[45:12] such power to open people's minds to

[45:15] this reality because it is a real

[45:17] phenomenon. For Carol, the James case

[45:20] was not just extraordinary. It was a

[45:21] turning point. She had helped bring a

[45:23] remarkable modern case into the

[45:25] historical record. She had become a

[45:27] trusted voice in the field. And along

[45:28] the way, she even entered the orbit of

[45:30] Dr. Dr. Ian Stevenson, the University of

[45:32] Virginia psychiatrist, who has spent

[45:34] decades investigating the claims of

[45:36] children who say they remember past

[45:38] lives.

[45:38] >> It took me 10 years to find a verifiable

[45:42] case that meant something like

[45:44] Stevenson's requirements for a

[45:46] legitimate case.

[45:47] >> Carol even helped Dr. Stevenson and his

[45:49] then assistant Dr. Jim Tucker with

[45:51] several critical cases, including

[45:53] introducing them to the James Lightinger

[45:55] case. But Stevenson did not just have

[45:57] one case like James Lightinger. He had

[45:59] shelves of them.

[46:02] Next week, we meet the researchers

[46:03] carrying on Dr. Stevenson's work and

[46:06] dive into the cases in the University of

[46:08] Virginia archives. And they have

[46:09] thousands of them.

[46:10] >> There's very little ambiguity in what

[46:12] they can say,

[46:13] >> including children who remember previous

[46:14] names, where they'd lived, how they

[46:17] died, in some cases even who had killed

[46:19] them or things that they had hidden in a

[46:21] previous life.

[46:22] >> It could manifest physically,

[46:24] biologically in numerous ways. It could

[46:26] be a language. It could be a birthark.

[46:28] could be a phobia.

[46:29] >> Some seem to remember incredible skills

[46:31] that no one in this life had taught

[46:33] them.

[46:33] >> Children being able to speak a foreign

[46:35] language that they shouldn't be able to

[46:36] speak. Purportedly a language from a

[46:39] life they had lived in a foreign

[46:41] country.

[46:42] >> At the University of Virginia, Dr. Ian

[46:44] Stevenson and his team were asking very

[46:46] different questions than Carol was. Not

[46:48] if memories can heal, but can they be

[46:50] studied and verified?

[46:52] >> Based on 60 plus years of studying a

[46:55] phenomenon, you suddenly get real data.

[46:57] What patterns emerge when you stop

[46:59] treating each story as an isolated

[47:01] mystery and start looking at the

[47:03] metadata? If Carol's work was past life

[47:05] research for families, University of

[47:07] Virginia's work is past life research

[47:09] built for the skeptics among us. It's

[47:11] mindblowing. And next week, we dive into

[47:13] their files.

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Episode two follows Carol Bowman, a mother turned researcher, from a Midwest family whose son Blake described being hit by a truck to a Louisiana case involving a boy with nightmares of a burning airplane. It asks whether talking about past-life memories can help children heal and whether records and witnesses can verify their accounts.
Carol Bowman's work, as summarized in the episode, proposes that some children's fears, phobias and physical symptoms may be connected to memories they carry from another life. The previous episode cites her son Chase, whose fear of loud booming sounds disappeared and whose eczema cleared after he talked through a battlefield memory. The episode presents this as a question under investigation, not a proven result.
According to the episode, evidential cases contain names, places, dates, hobbies and details that can be checked against the life of a real person who lived. Ambiguous cases are emotional and real to the family but cannot be verified against any record. The difference is whether a claim can be tested.
A young boy named James had nightmares of dying in a burning airplane and described a World War II pilot, an aircraft carrier, fellow servicemen and where his plane was shot down. His father, Bruce, set out to find another explanation, but the investigation reportedly turned up names, military records, eyewitnesses and a dead pilot whose life appeared to match the boy's memories.
The episode does not claim it does. A matching record shows that a real person lived and that a child's account lines up with that life, but it doesn't explain how the child knew those details. The episode leaves that open question deliberately.
Carol Bowman is a mother who became a researcher of children's past-life memories. She advertised in Mothering Magazine, took up graduate study in counseling to be taken seriously, and gathered cases from families across the country, beginning with the story of her son Chase in the previous episode.
The episode does not claim to know the cause. Blake became withdrawn, angry and complained of pain after the family stopped discussing his truck memory, and his mother initially blamed herself or considered ordinary explanations. The episode presents this as the emotional turn that led her to call Carol Bowman.

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A close listen to Beautiful Chorus's "Mantra Medicine: Release," a seven-minute sung affirmation built on "I release" and what repeating a s…

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Why Spiritual Seeking Can Keep You From Finding It
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Why Spiritual Seeking Can Keep You From Finding It

Eckhart Tolle argues that the spiritual search can hide the deep I, which is already present in the now. He reads the Buddha's tree, the 6:3…

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Loving-Kindness Metta: How the Phrases Widen the Heart
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Loving-Kindness Metta: How the Phrases Widen the Heart

Brenda McMorrow's eight-minute guided metta meditation moves from self to all beings through three short phrases. Here is how the sequence w…

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