Transcript
[0:01] Egypt, 1500 BCE.
[0:04] After days of preparation and ritual, a
[0:07] mystic reaches a heightened state of
[0:09] consciousness in the desert. He sees a
[0:11] light off in the distance. At first, it
[0:13] was small and glimmering.
[0:15] He wasn't sure if it was even real, but
[0:17] then it gets closer and larger and
[0:20] slowly he realizes it. He feels it.
[0:23] Somehow his mind is entangled with this
[0:27] light, with this intelligence. Then the
[0:30] light grows all around him, completely
[0:32] envelops him. He hears a voice. A
[0:35] teaching begins. A massive download.
[0:38] Life-altering revelations beyond
[0:41] language fill his mind. Evanston,
[0:43] Illinois, 1965.
[0:46] After years of investigating UFOs and
[0:49] paranormal phenomena, an astrophysicist
[0:51] accepts a truth he wouldn't have
[0:53] believed just months earlier.
[0:55] The phenomenon seems to be real,
[0:58] but it's mysterious, far stranger than
[1:01] flying saucers. It is category-defying,
[1:04] shape-shifting. In case after case,
[1:06] experiencers tell them the same thing.
[1:09] They swear that somehow the phenomena
[1:11] was communicating with them directly
[1:13] through their minds. Present day,
[1:15] somewhere in the American Southwest. An
[1:18] intelligence official sits inside a
[1:20] secure classified facility.
[1:23] He's read into a project that's beyond
[1:24] top secret. He's shown proof that the
[1:26] UFO phenomenon is real. It, of course,
[1:29] transcends our technology, but it also
[1:31] defies our understanding of physics. And
[1:34] on top of that, he learns a
[1:35] disconcerting truth.
[1:37] Even at the highest levels of
[1:39] intelligence in government, though they
[1:41] argue about it, they don't really know
[1:43] what the phenomenon is.
[1:45] But they do know one thing, that they
[1:47] can interact with it directly through
[1:49] consciousness.
[1:51] They even have classified programs where
[1:53] they've developed techniques to call the
[1:56] phenomenon in psychically. Three
[1:58] distinctly different time periods and
[2:00] points of view, one impossible to
[2:03] comprehend deeper truth. Yet there is a
[2:06] clear pattern. Light, intelligence,
[2:09] contact through the mind, revelations
[2:12] that point to a reality deeper than the
[2:15] one we perceive with our senses. In this
[2:17] transmission, we're going to explore why
[2:19] the UFO phenomenon doesn't just
[2:21] challenge our ideas about life in the
[2:23] universe, but why it transcends the very
[2:26] modern concept of what the universe is
[2:30] and what we are.
[2:32] But to even scratch the surface of this
[2:34] mystery, we're going to have to return
[2:35] to some basic but very deep questions
[2:38] we've been asking ourselves since
[2:40] ancient times.
[2:41] To start,
[2:43] where and what
[2:44] >> [music]
[2:45] >> are we really?
[2:49] First, a deceptively simple question.
[2:51] Where are you right now? Are you a body,
[2:55] a brain on a planet, or you a soul
[2:57] having a human experience? How do you
[2:59] even know? Do your senses tell you the
[3:01] answer? Does the scientific method?
[3:03] Let's start with our senses. Can we
[3:06] really trust them to provide us an
[3:08] accurate picture of reality?
[3:10] Well, let's do a little experiment.
[3:12] Stare at this picture with unbroken
[3:14] sight for a few seconds. This is a
[3:16] totally still image, but I'm guessing
[3:19] you're starting to see some quality of
[3:21] movement. You might be saying, "Well,
[3:22] that's just an optical illusion. It's
[3:24] designed to fool our senses." Well,
[3:27] choose any object in your room. Stare at
[3:29] the wall in front of you. If you really
[3:31] focus in on it, you'll find what you
[3:32] assumed was solid starts to appear much
[3:35] more jittery, wavy, wobbly. And again,
[3:39] maybe you'd say, "It's just a trick of
[3:41] your senses. That's not how it really
[3:42] is." Uh to which I would say, "Exactly."
[3:46] But let's go further. We know at the
[3:47] very best, our senses depict a very
[3:51] narrow bandwidth of reality. We know
[3:53] that we see only a tiny slice of the
[3:56] known electromagnetic spectrum. So, even
[3:58] if we are perceiving something real with
[4:00] our senses, it is far from the whole
[4:02] truth. One of my favorite thinkers,
[4:04] cognitive science Dr. Donald Hoffman,
[4:07] argues this very point. In fact, he goes
[4:09] even further that the world we perceive
[4:12] is not reality, that it's akin to a VR
[4:14] headset worn by consciousness in order
[4:17] to navigate and survive the human
[4:19] condition. It's essentially an
[4:20] evolutionarily convenient headset that
[4:23] allows us to survive, not perceive
[4:25] reality.
[4:26] Physics pushes us to a similar
[4:28] conclusion. In his 1989 essay, physics
[4:31] giant Dr. John Wheeler writes that,
[4:33] quote, "Every physical quantity, every
[4:36] it, derives its ultimate significance
[4:38] from bits." And a few lines later, he
[4:41] says that even the space-time continuum
[4:42] itself derives its existence from binary
[4:46] yes-no acts of registration and
[4:48] information. More simply, he's saying
[4:50] the physical world, space-time, this
[4:52] realm that we do all of our perception
[4:54] in and science in,
[4:56] it is not the true reality. It's derived
[4:58] from something deeper, something
[5:00] informational, something immaterial.
[5:03] Already, this is starting to sound like
[5:05] ancient mysticism, esotericism. And yes,
[5:08] ancient sages came to the same
[5:10] conclusions about reality. Vedic
[5:12] philosophy spoke of Maya, the grand
[5:14] illusion. Then there's the great
[5:16] Platonic/Socratic
[5:18] tale of Plato's Cave that was getting to
[5:21] the same point. This is a topic we've
[5:23] covered on the channel before, but it
[5:24] absolutely bears repeating, and I
[5:26] believe it is highly relevant if we want
[5:29] to understand the truth of the UFO
[5:31] phenomenon. So first, what does Plato's
[5:33] Cave really say? What was this sage
[5:35] trying to communicate about the nature
[5:37] of reality? Well, let's run through the
[5:39] story. It is important to note that it
[5:42] is nested within a much larger context,
[5:45] uh Plato's most sprawling work, in fact,
[5:48] but we will fill in the context as we
[5:50] go. And just to avoid confusion, if all
[5:52] of this is new for you, Socrates is
[5:54] Plato's teacher. In most of the
[5:56] dialogues, Socrates is essentially the
[5:59] wisest person. He is the fount of
[6:01] wisdom. Plato himself is never in his
[6:04] own dialogues. So, sometimes you'll hear
[6:06] me say Plato or Socrates almost
[6:09] interchangeably. Let's picture it the
[6:10] way Socrates tells Glaucon to picture
[6:13] it. By the way, Glaucon is Plato's
[6:15] brother. That's who he's talking to as
[6:16] he's telling the story. He says,
[6:18] "Imagine the mouth of a cave that
[6:19] descends downward. In it, there are
[6:22] people who have lived since childhood.
[6:24] Not only that, but these people are
[6:25] chained so completely that all they've
[6:28] ever seen is the cave wall in front of
[6:30] them. Unbeknownst to them, there are
[6:32] torches burning behind them. And there
[6:34] are mysterious matrix keepers who are
[6:37] running this whole operation. They carry
[6:39] statues, figures, and artifacts along
[6:41] this raised path, and these objects cast
[6:44] a shadow on the wall. So again, the
[6:46] prisoners never see these people. They
[6:48] never see the fire or these objects,
[6:50] even. They only see the shadows they
[6:52] cast on the wall. And because these
[6:54] shadows are all they've ever seen, they
[6:57] take them as completely real. They get
[6:59] totally absorbed in these shadow dramas.
[7:02] But then one day, everything changes.
[7:05] One prisoner is freed. Socrates doesn't
[7:07] tell us how. And he says something else
[7:10] that I think is hugely important and
[7:12] often overlooked. When this prisoner is
[7:14] freed, it is not a triumphant escape
[7:18] from the matrix Neo moment. The prisoner
[7:21] is terrified. He wants to go back to his
[7:24] familiar world. He wants to go back to
[7:26] the shadow reality. He wants to go back
[7:28] to his chains. Socrates actually says
[7:31] this prisoner would need to be dragged
[7:34] out of the cave. And that on his path
[7:36] upward, every single checkpoint, every
[7:39] moment, would be confusing, painful, and
[7:43] terrifying. Turning around and seeing
[7:45] the fire for the first time would blind
[7:47] him. Seeing these people, these
[7:49] mysterious figures, would confuse him.
[7:51] >> [music]
[7:51] >> With each new initiation, the adjustment
[7:54] is slow. First, he gets used to just
[7:56] seeing the shadows of real objects, then
[7:58] their reflections in water, then the
[8:00] real things themselves. Then, he sees
[8:03] the marvel of the night sky, the stars,
[8:06] the moon, and finally he sees something
[8:09] which holds a very special place in
[8:11] Plato and Socrates' philosophy, the sun
[8:15] itself. Slowly, he comes to fully
[8:17] realize the dark truth that what he
[8:19] thought was real was a complete
[8:21] deception, an illusory prison, a total
[8:24] misrepresentation
[8:26] of reality, of a deeper truth.
[8:29] And now that he knows this, the freed
[8:30] prisoner, or you could argue a newly
[8:33] minted philosopher, knows that it's his
[8:35] duty to go back down into the cave and
[8:38] tell everybody what he's learned, tell
[8:40] everybody that they're essentially
[8:42] living in a simulation. But, as he
[8:44] descends back into the cave, he has the
[8:47] opposite problem. His eyes are no longer
[8:49] used to the darkness. The other
[8:51] prisoners see him stumbling, unable to
[8:53] get his bearings. They believe leaving
[8:55] the cave has made him a deranged madman.
[8:58] He tries to reason with them. He tries
[9:00] to break their chains. He tries to lead
[9:02] them upward. But, when he does, they do
[9:04] not welcome it. They form a mob, and
[9:07] they end him right there. This, Socrates
[9:10] tells us, is the tale of the cave. But,
[9:14] this does beg a number of questions.
[9:16] What are the deeper, more esoteric
[9:18] layers of this? What does this really
[9:20] have to do with reality? You're probably
[9:22] also wondering, what isn't this a UFO
[9:24] video? I promise, the dots will
[9:27] eventually connect. So, first of course,
[9:29] Socrates is pointing out that this is
[9:31] the condition of humans. This is the
[9:33] condition of you and I. We are stuck in
[9:37] this sensory prison akin to Plato's
[9:40] Cave. We mistake what we perceive with
[9:43] our senses for reality. And if we want
[9:45] to free ourselves from this condition,
[9:47] we have to escape this cave toward
[9:50] something more real. But how is that
[9:52] done? Luckily, Plato provides us a map.
[9:55] Socrates presents us with the divided
[9:57] line, which is a whole rabbit hole onto
[10:00] itself, but we're going to give just a
[10:01] brief overview here because it is
[10:03] consequential to this whole new way of
[10:05] seeing reality. So, the divided line is
[10:08] this diagram that divides wisdom and
[10:10] reality into multiple layers and really
[10:13] purities of kinds of knowing. As you'll
[10:16] see on the left, Plato is communicating
[10:18] that what is real is not out there as we
[10:21] perceive it with our senses. What's more
[10:23] real is intelligible. It's perceivable
[10:26] only by the mind's higher faculties, not
[10:29] our senses. The realm of the cave is at
[10:32] the bottom, these first two brackets
[10:34] here. Eikasia and Pistis, to use the
[10:36] Greek words. The cave is the realm of
[10:38] objects, things, images, copies,
[10:42] opinions, faith, belief. This is what
[10:45] today we would call naive realism, or
[10:48] within the story, this is looking at the
[10:50] shadows on the cave wall and thinking
[10:52] that they are literally real. As we
[10:54] climb the ladder of reality, we climb
[10:56] the ladder of consciousness itself. We
[10:59] enter the realm of logic and math and
[11:01] geometry, and the highest mode of
[11:03] consciousness that our minds can reach,
[11:05] noesis, which is essentially a state of
[11:07] knowing and being at the same time. It's
[11:10] intuitive, it feels like a memory or as
[11:13] they would call it an anamnesis. And
[11:15] though I'm tempted to, we don't really
[11:16] need to go deeper into this right now.
[11:18] The most important thing is this
[11:21] unintuitive turn that we need to do.
[11:24] Just as the freed prisoner had to do. He
[11:27] had to completely reorient his ontology,
[11:30] his understanding of reality. He thought
[11:32] what was real was on the cave wall in
[11:34] front of him, the shadows, just as we
[11:37] feel that our senses are telling us the
[11:39] truth about reality. Plato/Socrates are
[11:42] making a profound claim here on the
[11:44] left. That what's more real is actually
[11:48] not physical, not sensory. You'll see
[11:51] the bottom of this map is what's less
[11:54] real. And that essentially the highest
[11:56] forms of knowledge are mental and
[11:59] psychical. And this is where we connect
[12:01] the dots. This is where I believe this
[12:03] becomes very central to the UFO, the
[12:05] phenomenon, mystery. Because what if the
[12:08] problem is not that the phenomenon is
[12:10] just hidden from us or using some higher
[12:12] technology? What if the problem is that
[12:16] we're perceiving the phenomenon in the
[12:18] same way the prisoners were perceiving
[12:20] shadows on the cave wall?
[12:22] I believe this is what we're doing when
[12:24] we perceive the phenomenon through our
[12:27] senses or even through our
[12:29] instrumentation. So, more specifically,
[12:31] what if the craft, the lights, the
[12:34] beings, the impossible movements, the
[12:36] archetypal experiences, the trickster
[12:38] aspects, what if all of these are not
[12:40] the phenomenon in its essence, but its
[12:43] shadows on the wall of our psyches?
[12:46] So, to summarize, as Plato and Socrates
[12:48] are arguing, appearance and true reality
[12:52] are far from the same thing. And if
[12:55] that's true, then it makes sense that a
[12:57] phenomenon from a deeper layer of
[12:59] reality would constantly be
[13:01] destabilizing our categories, would
[13:03] totally overwhelm us, totally confuse
[13:06] us. And that possibility that we're not
[13:08] just dealing with objects in the sky,
[13:10] higher technologies, but with a reality
[13:13] that exceeds sensory perception itself,
[13:16] I believe this is where we have to
[13:18] begin.
[13:20] So, great. We're trapped in Plato's
[13:21] cave. We are trapped in a simulation.
[13:24] Given that, the next question is
[13:26] obvious.
[13:27] How did Plato himself get out of it? Did
[13:30] he have contact with these deeper
[13:32] realms, with these higher entities?
[13:34] I believe the answer is yes. For
[13:37] instance, we know Plato was an initiate
[13:38] of the famous Eleusinian mysteries,
[13:41] where one was said to encounter the
[13:43] goddess directly. We also know that
[13:46] Plato had hidden doctrines, agrapha
[13:47] dogmata, that were not written down or
[13:50] at least not part of his extant
[13:52] materials that we have today.
[13:54] So, the specifics here are sadly scarce,
[13:57] but where things get very overt, higher
[13:59] intelligences are directly contacted, is
[14:03] centuries later with the Neoplatonists,
[14:06] specifically the mysterious practice of
[14:09] theurgy.
[14:11] A quick caveat, there is a tremendous
[14:13] amount that we do not know about this
[14:15] tradition and these specific practices
[14:18] and rituals themselves. This is a
[14:20] tradition that is fragmentary, some
[14:22] texts are totally lost, but even with
[14:25] these limitations, we know enough to
[14:26] sketch out the broad outline of what
[14:29] these sages were doing and what
[14:31] intelligences they believed they were
[14:33] connecting with. And why, in my opinion
[14:35] at least, it's so eerily similar in many
[14:38] cases to the UFO phenomenon. So, first a
[14:41] quick definition of this mysterious
[14:43] practice of theurgy. Theurgy comes from
[14:46] a Greek word theourgia, which translates
[14:48] to something like divine working or god
[14:51] working. And this already tells you
[14:53] something important, this was a sacred
[14:55] practice aimed at elevating the soul,
[14:58] communion with these divine
[15:00] intelligences, ascent toward higher
[15:02] orders of being, in a way hinted at in
[15:04] Plato's cave, and the ultimate goal was
[15:07] what these sages called henosis, like a
[15:10] state of pure absorption back into the
[15:13] foundational oneness of reality. So,
[15:15] basically, these theurgists were
[15:18] philosopher-sage-magicians.
[15:20] They were doing rituals, they had a
[15:23] whole lost ritual art that used symbols,
[15:26] invocations, sacrifices, offerings,
[15:29] sacred objects, and a lot of discipline.
[15:32] These were wise men who spent their
[15:34] lives preparing for this work through
[15:36] rigorously training their minds and
[15:38] studying and living a pretty ascetic
[15:40] lifestyle in most cases.
[15:42] They were basically monk moding their
[15:45] entire life. I don't know if that's a
[15:47] thing people still say. If you look into
[15:49] this tradition of theurgy, you'll find a
[15:50] few key names. Uh Julian the Theurgist
[15:53] who's the mysterious source of this
[15:55] practice seemingly, the Emperor Julian
[15:58] strangely enough, an emperor by the same
[16:00] name who tried to actually institute
[16:04] these theurgic ritual practices in an
[16:06] official way in the Roman Empire.
[16:08] Incredibly fascinating figure, but the
[16:10] two that we're going to focus on most in
[16:12] this video are Iamblichus and Proclus.
[16:15] Iamblichus of Chalcis was the great
[16:17] philosopher and theurgist who also seems
[16:20] to be a priest or initiate of the
[16:22] Egyptian mysteries. At least this is how
[16:24] he presents himself in his most famous
[16:27] work on the mysteries which we're going
[16:29] to get more into in a moment. And the
[16:31] other important node in this tradition
[16:34] that I just mentioned is Proclus. He's
[16:36] another Neoplatonic magician philosopher
[16:39] who we have a lot of extant work from.
[16:41] Uh try reading some of his work. It will
[16:43] absolutely break your brain. If you are
[16:45] well versed in the phenomenon and all of
[16:48] its shades of high weirdness, I think
[16:50] you're going to find these two figures
[16:51] Iamblichus and Proclus particularly
[16:54] fascinating. Because they explicitly
[16:56] speak of manifestations and happenings
[16:59] that are eerily similar to the UFO
[17:01] phenomenon. So like I just mentioned
[17:03] earlier in Iamblichus's on the
[17:05] mysteries, he speaks as more than just a
[17:07] philosopher. He positions himself as a
[17:10] lineage holder defending this sacred
[17:13] science of contacting higher
[17:14] intelligences through what he calls
[17:16] theurgy which he says is rooted in older
[17:19] Egyptian and Chaldean practices. So, as
[17:22] promised, what does he speak of that
[17:24] sounds so eerily familiar to the UFO
[17:26] phenomenon? Luminous manifestations.
[17:30] Presences that exceed ordinary sense
[17:32] perception, and encounters that seem to
[17:34] blur the line between visions,
[17:36] intelligences, and reality itself.
[17:40] Before I start quoting, despite those
[17:42] similarities that I mentioned, I am not
[17:44] trying to say that whatever is showing
[17:46] up in these theurgic practices is
[17:48] exactly the same as what is showing up
[17:50] in the modern UFO phenomenon. But, I do
[17:52] think there is overlap, and I do think
[17:54] that the ancients may have preserved a
[17:56] language or sacred technology that
[17:58] literally allowed them to engage with
[18:00] intelligences and parts of reality that
[18:03] are at least, at times, profoundly
[18:05] similar to some aspects of the UFO
[18:08] phenomenon.
[18:09] Parts of reality and intelligences that
[18:12] do not fit cleanly into modern maps of
[18:15] reality. Manifestations that also seem
[18:17] to come with mental, psychical, and
[18:21] spiritual components. Quote, "And the
[18:24] phasmata, indeed, of the gods will be
[18:26] seen shining with salutary light, which
[18:29] means a good and pleasant light." In
[18:32] addition to these things, also, the
[18:34] magnitude of the epiphanies or
[18:36] manifestations indeed is so great as
[18:39] sometimes to conceal all heaven, the
[18:42] sun, and the moon.
[18:44] He also explains that one can determine
[18:46] what kind of being they're dealing with
[18:49] through studying these qualities of
[18:51] light. And what are these beings?
[18:53] According to Iamblichus, they are
[18:55] archangels, angels, daemones, archons,
[18:58] the list goes on.
[19:00] I know for some of you terms like angels
[19:02] and demons are incredibly loaded. And
[19:04] yes, for sure, we are talking about
[19:07] spiritual beings. But, it's important to
[19:09] note that the modern understanding of
[19:11] these entities differs in a lot of
[19:14] important ways from what's being
[19:16] described here. For these sages, these
[19:18] beings are essentially incorporeal, at
[19:20] least usually. They are intelligences
[19:22] from a higher plane. And another
[19:24] especially important distinction here, a
[19:26] daimon is not the same thing as a demon
[19:30] in the modern sense, though they do
[19:32] share the same root word. In the older
[19:34] understanding, a daimon is essentially
[19:37] an intermediary spiritual being that
[19:39] brings information down from a higher
[19:42] realm or has some other kind of function
[19:45] to fulfill. There are actually multiple
[19:47] types and classes of daimones, but I
[19:49] will resist the urge to get too into the
[19:52] weeds on celestial hierarchies right
[19:55] now. Quote, "Those of archangels are
[19:58] full of supernatural light. Those of
[20:00] angels are luminous, but daimons present
[20:03] themselves to the view with a turbid
[20:05] fire. The light of heroes is mingled
[20:07] with many things. And with respect to
[20:09] archons, the light of those that have
[20:11] the government of the world is more
[20:13] pure, but those that preside over matter
[20:16] exhibits itself mingled from things of a
[20:19] dissimilar and contrary nature. And the
[20:21] light of souls manifests itself to be
[20:24] partably filled with the many mixtures
[20:26] which exist in generation." So,
[20:28] essentially here he's mostly going from
[20:30] a higher order to a lower order.
[20:33] Archangels are of the purest forms of
[20:34] light. Things that are closer to Earth
[20:36] have a more mixed nature. And this is
[20:39] actually just one of a few different
[20:40] sections in on the mysteries where
[20:42] Iamblichus describes the qualities of
[20:44] these lights and what orders of beings
[20:46] they belong to. Of course, by now this
[20:48] should be sounding pretty familiar if
[20:50] you are an aficionado of UFO lore or an
[20:53] experiencer.
[20:55] Lights and orbs make up a large portion
[20:57] of UFO sightings, of course.
[20:59] Practitioners of CE5, experiencers like
[21:02] Chris Bledsoe, they all describe and
[21:04] sometimes reportedly capture footage of
[21:07] these lights. But, it's not just beings
[21:09] or intelligences in the form of lights.
[21:12] Iamblichus also describes today what we
[21:15] would call psychical features of these
[21:17] encounters. For instance, quote,
[21:19] "Illuminations that come down from the
[21:21] gods of inspirations imparted from them,
[21:24] and even of divine foreknowledge being
[21:26] implanted within the soul." So,
[21:29] inspirations and foreknowledge implanted
[21:32] in the soul. We're talking about
[21:34] downloads, my friends. Psychic
[21:36] transmissions of information from some
[21:39] higher source. Again, sounds incredibly
[21:41] similar to the accounts of many
[21:43] experiencers. Specifically, when they
[21:46] speak of mind-to-mind or nonverbal
[21:48] instantaneous forms of communication or
[21:51] just immediate kinds of knowing. So, we
[21:54] already just briefly touched on what
[21:56] they believed these beings were, but
[21:59] what is the larger view of reality these
[22:01] sages had? We could sincerely spend
[22:05] hours unpacking the metaphysics of
[22:07] Proclus and Iamblichus and these other
[22:09] sages,
[22:10] but I do want to provide at least a
[22:11] general overview of how they and related
[22:14] thinkers conceived of reality. And even
[22:16] with this greatly nutshelled version of
[22:18] their view of reality, you'll start to
[22:20] see why this could be consequential and
[22:24] applicable when it comes to the
[22:25] phenomenon. So, first, they had an
[22:27] emanationist view of reality, meaning
[22:30] they believed that there is a central
[22:31] source from which everything originated.
[22:34] This central source is the one. It's the
[22:37] highest principle of reality, absolute
[22:39] unity, totally beyond category, being,
[22:43] thought.
[22:44] And then the first thing that emerges
[22:45] from this one are these sort of highest
[22:48] divine intelligences. If you want to get
[22:50] nerdy, Proclus called these divine
[22:52] unities henads. The next one, this one
[22:55] is huge for my argument here, is nous or
[22:59] intellect. This is the the of divine
[23:02] mind, eternal intelligibility, forms,
[23:05] archetypes, perfect thought. It is like
[23:08] the psychical divine mind realm that is
[23:10] more real than the physical world
[23:12] because the physical world descends from
[23:15] this realm. And then there's soul. And
[23:17] you might be thinking, wait, soul is a
[23:19] dimension, a level of reality? Um yes
[23:23] and no. In this metaphysical system, the
[23:26] cosmos itself is ensouled. This is what
[23:29] they called the world soul. And we are
[23:32] all partaking in it. We are all
[23:34] participating in it on an individual
[23:36] level. It's an as above so below type
[23:38] situation where our micro cosmic soul
[23:41] reflects the macro cosmic soul. For
[23:44] these sages, soul was like this
[23:46] intermediary realm or force or quality.
[23:49] It is between this realm of divine mind
[23:52] and the physical realm. This includes
[23:53] everything from the world soul, the
[23:56] cosmic soul, uh down to uh individual
[24:00] mortals' souls. And this is where all of
[24:02] these intermediary beings come in that I
[24:04] think could be related again to the UFO
[24:07] phenomenon, angels, daimones, archons,
[24:10] etc. And then we get down to the realm
[24:12] of nature and matter, uh the deepest
[24:15] levels of Plato's cave. It's the
[24:17] furthest from the perfect unity of the
[24:19] one, but everything still retains a
[24:22] trace of the one. And an important final
[24:24] note, I think pretty much every
[24:26] Neoplatonist philosopher believes that
[24:28] there is this pull from the one that we
[24:30] will eventually return back to the one.
[24:32] Maybe maybe I am Lukis doesn't, but we
[24:34] won't nerd out on that right now. So I
[24:36] wanted to go over that not just because
[24:38] I think it's interesting, but think
[24:40] about this. That kind of
[24:41] multi-dimensional existence that I just
[24:44] mentioned there, um even though we do
[24:46] have physical bodies and we perceive
[24:49] ourselves as down in this physical realm
[24:52] of nature, you know, in Plato's cave if
[24:54] you will, we also simultaneously exist
[24:58] in all of those other dimensions that I
[25:00] just mentioned. We do carry the one
[25:02] within us. We are participating in the
[25:05] divine mind to some degree. We do have
[25:08] souls. And if we begin to view reality
[25:11] in this way, we start to see that if we
[25:14] exist in multiple dimensions at the same
[25:16] time, the phenomenon does as well. And
[25:20] if it's primarily descended from higher
[25:22] realms of reality, that explains some of
[25:24] its high weirdness. That explains why we
[25:27] can't fully capture it by looking at it
[25:29] through scientific instrumentation. If
[25:31] these beings are from a higher realm, it
[25:33] makes sense that they would be able to
[25:35] use physical forms, project physical
[25:37] forms, but not primarily be those forms,
[25:40] or at least not be reducible to those.
[25:43] Another incredibly interesting quote to
[25:46] this point, and this is a quote that
[25:47] I've used a lot on the show because I
[25:49] think it's just so remarkable and
[25:51] illustrative of what I'm trying to say
[25:53] here. Quote, "The gods themselves are
[25:55] incorporeal, but since those who see
[25:57] them possess bodies, the visions which
[26:00] issue forth from the gods to worthy
[26:03] recipients possess a certain quality
[26:05] from the gods who send them, but also
[26:08] derive something from those who see
[26:10] them. This is why the gods are seen, yet
[26:13] not seen at all." And to a similar
[26:15] point, "In fact, those who see the gods
[26:18] witness them in their luminous garments
[26:20] of their souls. Since the visions have
[26:22] physical extension and appear in the
[26:24] same kind of atmosphere, they are akin
[26:27] to those who see them." So, two major
[26:29] points here. This gets across first the
[26:32] idea I mentioned earlier, that whatever
[26:34] is extending into our sensory awareness,
[26:37] into our minds when we're encountering
[26:40] these things, we see them, yet we don't
[26:42] see them at all, as the quote said. This
[26:44] is not their true form. That's point
[26:47] number one. Point number two is that
[26:48] there's a sort of meeting in the middle.
[26:50] There's something from the source, from
[26:52] what Proclus is calling a god in this
[26:54] case, and something from our own minds
[26:57] that brings about its manifestation or
[27:00] the way that it appears to us. So again,
[27:02] I have to ask, could this be part of
[27:04] what's going on with the UFO phenomenon?
[27:06] I ask because there is this weird
[27:08] tension between multiplicity and
[27:11] similarity. There are so many forms, so
[27:14] many descriptions, so many shapes of
[27:16] craft, yet they do kind of follow a
[27:18] similar grammar. Is that because we're
[27:21] actually seeing some combination of our
[27:23] own psyches mixed with the
[27:25] characteristics of the beings
[27:27] themselves? There's a final piece of
[27:29] this that's too intriguing to pass up
[27:31] before we move on to the next section of
[27:33] this exploration. And it was just
[27:35] mentioned in that quote before that we
[27:37] are not just souls, but we have soul
[27:40] vehicles. We have these subtle bodies.
[27:42] And so do these entities. And this again
[27:45] points out another tantalizing
[27:47] similarity to the modern UFO phenomenon,
[27:50] specifically orbs and lights. So
[27:53] according to Plotinus and Hermeticism
[27:55] and Western Esotericism in general,
[27:57] pretty much, the soul is usually thought
[27:59] of as round and self-moving. Actually,
[28:02] more accurately spherical as it is
[28:04] originally laid out in Plato's dialogue
[28:07] Timaeus.
[28:08] The more esoteric folks, again the
[28:09] Neoplatonists, they get more into the
[28:11] metaphysical nitty-gritty of this. They
[28:14] say this vehicle is comprised of pneuma,
[28:16] which literally translates to breath,
[28:18] but it's like the vital essence. And
[28:21] they also compare it to a luminous
[28:23] substance that the stars are made of.
[28:25] Tell me that doesn't sound like an orb.
[28:27] Uh it's not just humans that have these
[28:29] soul vehicles. These intermediary beings
[28:32] have them as well. These angels, these
[28:34] daimones, have them as well. So here's a
[28:37] crazy question. Could these soul
[28:39] vehicles be what experiencers are
[28:41] witnessing when they encounter an orb?
[28:44] Author and religious scholar Dr. Jeff
[28:46] Kripal actually suggested this on a
[28:48] podcast.
[28:49] >> What I'm trying to say with the
[28:50] spirituality of the flying saucer is
[28:53] last night we had we had a Jain lecture
[28:56] at my university. Jainism is basically a
[28:58] a strongly dualistic religious system in
[29:02] which the soul separates from the
[29:05] material world and realizes its own uh
[29:08] infinite immortality and and becomes a
[29:11] sphere by the way often.
[29:14] Um
[29:15] but the images of of these these
[29:17] realized uh human beings is just a
[29:20] cutout. It's a cutout of a piece of
[29:23] metal or a stone and it looks exactly
[29:25] like a space alien.
[29:26] Cultures have had these experiences and
[29:29] they've even experienced the soul as a
[29:31] sphere.
[29:32] And they've talked about the soul as a
[29:33] sphere by the way.
[29:35] Jainism is one but Neoplatonism's
[29:37] another. I mean, we can go through a
[29:38] whole series of ancient systems in which
[29:41] the spirit or the soul is literally seen
[29:43] as a flying saucer as it were.
[29:45] Okay?
[29:45] >> Mhm.
[29:46] >> Why is that?
[29:47] >> And for some reason I find this to be
[29:49] the craziest possibility of all. What if
[29:51] what we're encountering during an orb
[29:54] event is something from our own souls?
[29:58] As one of my favorite thinkers Terence
[29:59] McKenna said, "People are so alienated
[30:02] from their own soul that when they meet
[30:04] their soul, they think it comes from
[30:06] another star system."
[30:08] So now that we've covered this ancient
[30:10] map that could potentially explain the
[30:12] phenomenon, a multi-dimensional cosmos
[30:15] that descends from one through the
[30:18] divine intellect, soul, and non-physical
[30:21] intermediary beings where the visible
[30:23] world is really only like the outermost
[30:26] uh blemish on the face of reality, then
[30:29] the obvious question is this. Does
[30:31] anything resembling this way of seeing
[30:33] survive into modern ufology and are
[30:36] there thinkers who are carrying this
[30:38] forward? Well, uh it does and there are.
[30:42] Some of the most respected contemporary
[30:44] researchers, after years of confronting
[30:46] the phenomenon first hand, begin to
[30:48] sound as though they are circling back
[30:50] toward a reality model that looks far
[30:52] closer to Plato and Hermeticism and
[30:55] Theurgy than modern materialism. For
[30:58] instance, John Keel, J. Allen Hynek, the
[31:00] great Jacques Vallee, authors like
[31:02] Patrick Harper, author of Demonic
[31:04] Reality, and more. Sadly, we're going to
[31:06] have to reduce all of them to just a
[31:08] couple of minutes because the scope of
[31:09] this transmission can't even come close
[31:12] to going deep on all of them. You're
[31:13] going to again see a clear pattern
[31:16] emerging. Let's start with giants of
[31:19] this realm, J. Allen Hynek and Jacques
[31:21] Vallee. First, J. Allen Hynek. He's an
[31:24] astrophysicist who I initially assumed
[31:27] started as a fully materialistic, you
[31:29] know, science-grounded skeptic,
[31:32] especially considering he was publicly
[31:33] debunking UFO sightings as swamp gas and
[31:37] such. But, that is not entirely true.
[31:39] The astrophysicist always had an
[31:41] interest in big questions. In his
[31:43] Forbidden Science 6, his friend and
[31:46] collaborator Jacques Vallee said that
[31:49] Hynek actually believed that he may have
[31:51] been recruited into classified programs
[31:54] because he had an interest in the
[31:56] esoteric. In case you aren't familiar,
[31:58] Hynek was recruited to work on multiple
[32:00] classified projects having to do with
[32:02] the UFOs, Project Grudge, Project Blue
[32:05] Book. The deeper he went into the cases
[32:07] he found to be credible, the less this
[32:09] looked like a simple error or even a
[32:11] straightforward extraterrestrial
[32:13] problem. By the 1970s, Hynek was
[32:15] sounding more openly mystical. He was
[32:18] arguing that the phenomenon pointed to
[32:19] both a physical and extra-dimensional
[32:21] aspect, citing materialization and
[32:24] dematerialization, shape-changing,
[32:26] telepathic effects, levitation, and
[32:28] other features that just did not fit
[32:31] within a nuts-and-bolts physicalist
[32:33] frame. But, it doesn't stop there. On an
[32:35] episode of my show, when I was talking
[32:36] to his son, Paul Hynek, he told me that
[32:39] his father became deeply interested in
[32:41] Rosicrucianism and even followed a
[32:43] Rosicrucian burial ritual when he passed
[32:46] away. And to underscore exactly why
[32:48] that's relevant, Rosicrucianism grows
[32:51] out of the very same Western esoteric
[32:53] milieu that we were just discussing,
[32:55] Neoplatonism, Hermeticism, they have a
[32:57] very similar metaphysical picture of
[33:00] reality. There are numerous other
[33:02] intelligent life forms, and the visible
[33:04] world reflects higher invisible realms.
[33:07] Then there's the legendary Jacques
[33:09] Vallee, who was a friend of Hynek's.
[33:11] Across his incredible body of work from
[33:13] Passport to Magonia to Dimensions, he
[33:17] keeps returning to a few of the same
[33:19] core insights. And one of them is that
[33:22] the phenomenon is too strange, too
[33:24] multifaceted, too shapeshifting to be
[33:27] explained by the extraterrestrial
[33:29] hypothesis, to be explained by the idea
[33:31] that what we're seeing is simply
[33:34] travelers who came from another planet.
[33:36] And another of these insights should
[33:38] sound familiar, that the phenomenon
[33:40] shapeshifts. It changes depending on
[33:43] who's looking, depending on what the
[33:45] time is, the context, the culture,
[33:48] exactly like Proclus said in that quote
[33:50] earlier. In a fairly recent interview,
[33:52] he also put it this way, "We are dealing
[33:54] with something that is both
[33:55] technological and psychic. It seems to
[33:58] be able to manipulate other dimensions."
[34:00] This is a hugely consequential
[34:02] statement, so let's unpack this for a
[34:04] second. He's saying that it both is and
[34:06] isn't all of these different categories
[34:09] that we name it by. It is technological,
[34:12] but it's also psychical, it also
[34:13] shapeshifts, and this means it must
[34:16] logically therefore occupy a higher
[34:20] ontological rank than us. It must reside
[34:23] in a higher dimensional form than we do,
[34:26] or at least than we can perceive with
[34:28] our senses. It has the ability to be
[34:30] physical and psychical and appear in
[34:32] different forms, but it can't be fully
[34:34] captured by any of these facets. And
[34:37] this is why Vallée always circles back
[34:39] to myth and folklore and the esoteric,
[34:42] because these kinds of vessels are the
[34:44] only ones that can hold all of the
[34:47] multifaceted weirdness of the
[34:49] phenomenon. And to me, Vallée's interest
[34:51] in the esoteric is very clear. There's a
[34:54] Wired profile on him that presents him
[34:56] as this guy [music] with this enormous
[34:58] esoteric library. And I believe that's
[35:00] because he's convinced that modern UFO
[35:03] cases and older visionary or folkloric
[35:07] encounters or esoteric uh practices
[35:10] probably all belong to the same deep
[35:12] pattern. A pattern where the phenomenon
[35:15] does not just arrive as a machine from
[35:17] outer space. It's a phenomenon that
[35:19] wears the symbols of the age that it
[35:21] encounters. It presents itself through
[35:24] the categories available to the culture
[35:27] while still retaining some stable core
[35:29] beneath that mask. Again, doesn't this
[35:31] sound incredibly similar to that quote
[35:34] that Proclus made from the previous
[35:36] chapter of this video? The notion that
[35:38] these beings wear the mask of something
[35:40] familiar to the experiencer's psyche
[35:43] while also retaining some features of
[35:45] themselves. And then there are some
[35:47] pretty on-the-nose elements of Vallée's
[35:49] belief system as well, it feels like.
[35:52] Even one of his well-known books, The
[35:53] Invisible College, is kind of telling.
[35:55] Historically, that phrase evokes not
[35:57] only, you know, hidden networks of early
[35:59] scientific thinkers, but also the
[36:01] Rosicrucian lore of a secret fraternity
[36:04] preserving deeper, more ancient esoteric
[36:06] truths held by special initiates.
[36:09] Whether Vallée actually intended both of
[36:10] those meanings or not, I don't know. But
[36:13] it certainly fits him well, because he
[36:15] himself kind of occupies that midpoint.
[36:18] He stands at the border between science,
[36:20] myth, consciousness, you know, the
[36:23] esoteric throughout his work. And then
[36:25] there's another direct link to
[36:27] Rosicrucianism via religious scholar and
[36:29] author Diana Pasulka. Pasulka spent time
[36:32] with Vallee while she was researching
[36:34] her book American Cosmic and on an
[36:36] episode of Rogan she said directly that
[36:38] both Hynek and Vallee were Rosicrucians.
[36:42] >> In the book what I do is I uncover not
[36:43] just him but Allan Hynek. They are were
[36:45] friends. And they were both Rosicrucians
[36:48] which is a
[36:49] form of he might not like me to say this
[36:51] but it's a form of mystical Christianity
[36:53] in a sense but a lot of Rosicrucians
[36:56] don't view their roots as Christian.
[36:57] They they look at it as Egyptian but
[37:00] it's basically it's an esoteric
[37:02] tradition and it involves meditation. I
[37:05] think it most likely involves this thing
[37:06] that you and I have been discussing in
[37:08] this the whole talk so far is the pineal
[37:10] gland thing, you know, the the access
[37:13] point because both of them believe in
[37:15] this kind of life, this meditating and
[37:17] things like that. And so I included
[37:19] references. Everything I say in my books
[37:21] by the way, I pass to the person that
[37:23] I'm writing a chapter about. So
[37:25] everything that I said about Jacques, I
[37:27] gave it to him beforehand and I said,
[37:28] "Are you okay with me saying this
[37:30] publicly?"
[37:30] >> Now to be fair to Vallee in his own
[37:32] words in a 2025 interview he said that
[37:34] though he continues to be interested in
[37:36] Rosicrucianism, he's not personally
[37:39] affiliated with any groups. So to sum it
[37:41] up, I think Hynek and Vallee ran
[37:43] headfirst into the reality that whatever
[37:46] is going on with the phenomenon, it
[37:48] harmonizes more with Iamblichus and
[37:51] Theurgist and esotericism than it does
[37:54] with materialism and science. Jacques
[37:56] actually puts it really well in the end
[37:58] of that same podcast. Basically saying
[38:01] that the UFO mystery may not just be
[38:03] dragging us toward, you know, higher
[38:05] technology or civilizations from other
[38:07] planets but that it may be pulling us
[38:09] toward an older more esoteric map of
[38:11] reality. One in which mind and symbol
[38:16] are highly relevant and were really
[38:18] never cleanly separated in the first
[38:20] place. But we're not even close to done
[38:22] with just Vallée and Hynek. We've got to
[38:24] talk about John Keel, father of what he
[38:27] called the ultraterrestrial hypothesis.
[38:30] Now, unlike Hynek, who was openly
[38:32] interested in the esoteric, apparently,
[38:34] Keel himself did consider himself a
[38:37] skeptic and an atheist. But like Hynek,
[38:40] he came to believe that there was
[38:41] something indeed real about the
[38:43] phenomenon and that it could not be
[38:45] fully captured by the extraterrestrial
[38:47] hypothesis. Rather, that what we're
[38:49] witnessing is probably something more
[38:51] akin to intelligences materializing from
[38:54] a higher plane of reality that could
[38:56] take on a multitude of forms. For more
[38:58] on Keel, I would start with his books
[39:00] Operation Trojan Horse and The Eighth
[39:02] Tower. Uh but I think to sum up his
[39:04] views, this bit from Operation Trojan
[39:07] Horse does nicely. Now, perhaps we can
[39:09] better understand RAF Air Marshal Sir
[39:12] Victor Goddard's remarks. The astral
[39:14] world of illusion, which is greatly
[39:16] inhabited by illusion-prone spirits, is
[39:18] well-known for its multifarious
[39:20] imaginative
[39:22] and exhortations. Seemingly, some of its
[39:24] denizens are eager to exemplify
[39:27] principalities and powers. Others
[39:29] pronounce upon morality, spirituality,
[39:31] deity, etc. These illusion-prone spirits
[39:35] are responsible for nearly all of the
[39:37] UFO appearances and manipulations. The
[39:40] flying saucers do not come from some
[39:43] Buck Rogers type civilization on some
[39:45] distant planet. They are our next-door
[39:48] neighbors, part of another space-time
[39:51] continuum where life, matter, and energy
[39:54] are radically different from ours.
[39:56] Ancient man knew this and recognized it.
[39:59] Next, we've got to touch on Harvard
[40:00] psychiatrist and author John Mack, who
[40:03] was courageous enough to put his career
[40:05] on the line and take the UFO abduction
[40:07] phenomenon seriously. And although he
[40:09] did take it seriously, he didn't exactly
[40:12] take it literally. He believed that
[40:14] something was happening, but he did not
[40:17] largely believe, it seems to me, that
[40:19] there were literal abductions by
[40:21] physical space aliens occurring. I
[40:23] recently came across this clip of him
[40:25] talking to another one of my favorite
[40:27] thinkers, Terence McKenna, and he just
[40:29] puts it in a way that, again, gels so
[40:32] beautifully with what we're talking
[40:34] about here.
[40:35] >> I'm beginning to put together a
[40:36] structure of what this is about, and
[40:39] what I'm getting is, if you can think of
[40:41] the divine, or if you can think of the
[40:45] the world of both spirit with form and
[40:49] spirit without form, or the anima mundi,
[40:52] whatever your language for it, the great
[40:54] spirit, the holy spirit, whatever it is,
[40:58] it we have lost contact with it. It
[41:01] signals us, we don't listen.
[41:04] There are various ways that certain
[41:06] people have revelations and experiences.
[41:09] Occasionally, the more advanced
[41:11] spiritual people among us are
[41:13] reconnecting with the spirit, but for
[41:16] most of us, the only language that we
[41:18] know now is the language of the material
[41:21] world. So, it's as if the divinity say,
[41:23] "Okay, if that's all you understand,
[41:25] I'll give it to you in the material
[41:27] world. I'll give you
[41:29] physical manipulations, I'll give you
[41:31] reproductive connection, I'll give you
[41:33] cuts, scars, scoop marks, I'll give you
[41:36] burned earth where the UFOs land. It's
[41:39] showing up in the physical world. It may
[41:41] not be of the physical world as we know
[41:43] it, but it communicates in the physical
[41:46] world, and when something shows up in
[41:48] the physical world it belongs in the
[41:50] spirit world, that gets
[41:53] the stiff-necked
[41:55] materialist very excited.
[41:57] >> A couple of other more contemporary
[41:58] figures who are thinking in this
[42:00] direction, who I think are incredibly
[42:02] fascinating and brilliant. The first is
[42:04] Patrick Harper, author of Daimonic
[42:06] Reality, who told me, quote,
[42:08] >> Um, I don't think there's a culture
[42:10] which doesn't [music] believe in some
[42:11] form of fairy, jinn, alien, nymph, and
[42:16] so forth and so forth. I had to think of
[42:17] a a general name for them, so I just
[42:19] went to the ancient Greeks for whom
[42:21] these creatures were commonplace, as we
[42:23] know from Greek myth. And uh they called
[42:25] them daimones. And uh so I adopted that.
[42:28] But they knew where the daimones live.
[42:30] They knew where they came from. It is a
[42:32] whole autonomous realm. And I noticed
[42:36] that was completely analogous to Jung's
[42:38] collective unconscious. So I had all
[42:40] these models. I had all these models of
[42:42] places
[42:44] where the daimones came from, the soul
[42:46] of the world, the collective
[42:47] unconscious. And they I I could see that
[42:49] these were all analogous to each other.
[42:51] But the daimones that that inhabit these
[42:54] places, these realms, these states of
[42:57] mind, however you wish to characterize
[42:58] them, they
[43:00] change their shape to suit the times.
[43:02] [music] So what were once fairies are
[43:04] now so-called aliens from so-called
[43:06] outer space. But I I think they're from
[43:09] the same realm.
[43:10] >> Another figure I want to mention is
[43:11] Trevor James Constable. He's probably
[43:13] the least known on this list, but I find
[43:16] him to be particularly interesting
[43:18] because of his array of influences and
[43:21] his conclusions about the phenomenon. He
[43:23] was highly influenced by the great
[43:24] polymath and esotericist Rudolf Steiner,
[43:27] who again associated himself with, you
[43:30] guessed it, Rosicrucianism. Constable,
[43:33] piggybacking off the metaphysics of
[43:35] Steiner, believed the intelligences were
[43:37] etheric in nature. So again, the notion
[43:40] that the UFO phenomenon is not just nuts
[43:42] and bolts, but something from a higher,
[43:45] unseen dimension. That there's an
[43:47] intrusion occurring of the invisible
[43:50] into the visible. He conceived of them
[43:52] as etherians in either ships moving
[43:55] through this unseen etheric medium. As
[43:59] he put it in the beginning of his book,
[44:00] Cosmic Pulse of Life, "Of course UFOs
[44:03] are alive, living unseen beings, living
[44:05] in an ocean of living energy, living
[44:08] unseen macro bacteria, etheric fauna
[44:11] feeding on living energy and constructs,
[44:14] ships driven through space unseen by the
[44:16] living energy that fills all space. Uh
[44:19] he apparently is less concerned than I
[44:22] am about repeating the same word over
[44:24] and over again in two sentences. He said
[44:26] as he says the word esoteric
[44:29] for the billionth time in this video. So
[44:31] again, these thinkers, while all having
[44:33] many differences, acknowledge a lot of
[44:35] the same core points, that the
[44:37] phenomenon is primarily non-physical,
[44:40] that it seems to be a manifestation of
[44:42] higher intelligence that exists in some
[44:44] extended layer of reality. We could call
[44:47] this interdimensional, we could call
[44:49] this ultraterrestrial, we could call
[44:51] this etheric, noetic, or
[44:53] consciousness-based, or whatever, but
[44:55] the general picture really remains the
[44:56] same. That these phenomena are better
[44:59] understood as higher-dimensional,
[45:01] non-material, intermediary, and more
[45:04] subtle than gross. A take that
[45:06] harmonizes incredibly well with
[45:09] everything we discussed in part one,
[45:11] with Plato's cave, hermeticists, and
[45:13] theurgists, and the beings they claim to
[45:15] be in touch with. Now, the esoteric in
[45:18] ufology, that's one thing.
[45:20] But how crazy would it be if there were
[45:23] generals, colonels, high-ranking people
[45:25] within three-letter agencies, and at the
[45:28] world's largest intelligence contractors
[45:31] thinking along these exact same lines?
[45:34] Incredibly, my friends, that does seem
[45:37] to be the case.
[45:40] And admittedly, this is more speculative
[45:42] territory, but there are enough
[45:45] verified,
[45:46] public-facing breadcrumbs and novelty
[45:49] nuggets to indicate what appears to be a
[45:51] significant interest in this way of
[45:53] looking at the phenomenon and reality
[45:55] itself on the part of people within
[45:58] those aforementioned realms. For
[46:00] instance, where better to start than the
[46:02] brilliant, enigmatic, and unfortunately
[46:05] missing General Neil McCasland. He was
[46:08] the head of the Air Force's science and
[46:09] research division at the famed
[46:12] Wright-Patterson Air Force Base.
[46:14] Wright-Patt is rumored to be involved in
[46:15] crash retrieval and reverse engineering,
[46:19] if indeed those are real things. And
[46:21] right off the bat, I want to say I don't
[46:22] think we have conclusive evidence in
[46:24] this case to say what McCasland's view
[46:27] on the phenomenon were, but here's what
[46:29] we do know, thanks to leaked emails.
[46:32] Emails between Tom DeLonge of Blink-182
[46:35] while he was trying to get his To the
[46:37] Stars project off the ground, no pun
[46:39] intended, which is a whole topic unto
[46:42] itself, but essentially To the Stars was
[46:45] trying to cause a public groundswell for
[46:47] UFO disclosure, and McCasland was one
[46:51] of, if not the primary advisor to Tom
[46:54] DeLonge and author and researcher Peter
[46:56] Levenda on their book projects that
[46:59] explore the phenomenon in a lot of
[47:02] esoteric and controversial ways. Books
[47:05] that explore the possibility of ancient
[47:07] encounters between humans and higher
[47:09] beings and consider the relationship
[47:11] between the phenomenon, mythology,
[47:13] magic, and the occult. Of course, it's
[47:15] difficult to tease all of this apart.
[47:18] What came directly from the research of
[47:20] the brilliant Peter Levenda, who is
[47:22] especially interested in these esoteric
[47:24] topics, and an advisor like McCasland.
[47:27] But we do know this interesting nugget
[47:29] for a fact, that McCasland said, "If you
[47:32] want to understand the phenomenon, you
[47:34] have to look to myth." And he
[47:36] specifically said to look into the myth
[47:39] of Prometheus, the titan who stole fire
[47:42] from the higher realm and brought it to
[47:44] humanity and was eternally punished as a
[47:47] result.
[47:48] >> It's a very well-known story because of
[47:50] WikiLeaks and all the rest of it that he
[47:52] had a number of advisors in the military
[47:54] who were talking to him.
[47:55] >> Yeah.
[47:56] >> They would just say, "What about this?"
[47:57] And what about that? Have you looked
[47:59] Follow the money." you know.
[48:00] Uh so, but it wasn't the money we were
[48:02] following. It was something else. It was
[48:03] um it was mythology. It was They were
[48:06] using Greek mythology, for instance, as
[48:08] a a kind of a
[48:11] context
[48:12] that we should use to understand things,
[48:14] which makes sense when you think of all
[48:17] the Greek names that NASA used for its
[48:19] space programs, flight, and everything
[48:21] else. So, one of our of our advisers
[48:25] tells Tom,
[48:26] uh
[48:27] "Look up the Prometheus, you know. Do
[48:28] you understand about the Prometheus
[48:29] story? That'll give you an insight as to
[48:31] what's going on." And Tom's like, "W-
[48:32] What?"
[48:34] >> Again, there's so much we can infer from
[48:35] this, but so much we ultimately don't
[48:38] know and have to speculate about. Is he
[48:40] aware of a hidden history where higher
[48:43] beings seeded or at least influenced
[48:45] humanity, brought us technology or
[48:47] knowledge like in the Prometheus myth?
[48:51] Or is it something less dramatic than
[48:53] that? But, this does immediately tip us
[48:55] off that McCasland was definitely
[48:57] thinking beyond nuts and bolts, which is
[48:59] especially interesting considering this
[49:01] is a guy with a PhD in nuts and bolts
[49:04] from MIT. So, why was he thinking in the
[49:06] direction of myth and higher beings,
[49:09] whatever he conceived of them to be? And
[49:12] though we don't know for a fact what he
[49:13] really believed or how involved he was
[49:16] with this project, DeLong seems to
[49:19] indicate that his involvement was pretty
[49:21] deep. He mentioned he's a skeptic. He's
[49:24] not. I've been working with him for 4
[49:26] months. I just got done giving him a
[49:28] 4-hour presentation on the entire
[49:30] project a few weeks ago. Trust me, the
[49:32] advice is already been happening on how
[49:35] to do all this. He just has to say that
[49:38] out loud, but he is very, very aware as
[49:41] he is in charge of all of the stuff.
[49:43] When Roswell crashed, they shipped it to
[49:46] the laboratory at Wright-Patterson Air
[49:47] Force Base. General McCasland was in
[49:50] charge of that exact laboratory up to a
[49:53] couple of months ago. He not only knows
[49:55] what I'm trying to achieve, he helped
[49:57] assemble my advisory team. He is a very
[50:00] important man.
[50:02] There are other things that have come to
[50:03] my attention with McCasland, with things
[50:06] that could have been going on at
[50:07] Wright-Patt, but I just could not find
[50:10] really concrete evidence of any of it.
[50:12] That said, of course, if I make any
[50:14] breakthroughs, I'll return to this topic
[50:16] in the future.
[50:17] But now let's get into some far more
[50:19] public-facing and verifiable and direct
[50:22] examples. Let's start with retired US
[50:25] Army Colonel Karl Nell, and also
[50:28] probably worth mentioning, he's also a
[50:30] Northrop Grumman executive. In a talk he
[50:33] gave at the SALT conference, he said,
[50:35] "Non-human intelligence exists, and it's
[50:37] been interacting with us for a very long
[50:39] time, and that there is zero doubt of
[50:42] that fact." Also, in a lesser-known talk
[50:44] that he gave to Rice University's
[50:46] Archives of the Impossible, a talk that
[50:49] he opened with an image of Plato and
[50:50] Aristotle, by the way, he said, quote,
[50:53] "Esotericism drives scientific
[50:55] innovation." In this talk, he also
[50:57] brings up consciousness and how that
[51:00] must be key to the phenomenon, and that
[51:02] he's not a fan of materialist, or I
[51:04] believe he actually said computational
[51:06] explanations of consciousness,
[51:09] you know, more specifically that our
[51:10] brain is just some kind of complex
[51:12] computer-like organ from which
[51:14] consciousness emerges.
[51:16] But there's more. Believe it or not, he
[51:19] specifically brings up the idea of
[51:21] reality being multi-dimensional and
[51:23] hierarchical.
[51:25] He says consciousness plays a role in
[51:27] both physics and metaphysics. He even
[51:30] specifically brings up the idea of
[51:32] apports toward the end of the talk.
[51:35] And if you're not familiar with apports,
[51:36] this is primarily a phenomenon that's
[51:38] discussed in a more spiritualist
[51:40] context, but also the UFO context, and
[51:43] this is essentially where things just
[51:45] materialize. Objects materialize out of
[51:48] thin air. And to get borderline
[51:50] stalkery, my buddy News Henosis on X,
[51:54] who is a very deep researcher on all of
[51:56] these topics, noticed that Nelle's
[51:58] esoteric interests extend far beyond
[52:01] these statements. So, why is a retired
[52:03] US Army Colonel, who's also an executive
[52:06] at Northrop Grumman, talking about these
[52:08] esoteric ideas? Why is he relating the
[52:11] philosophy of consciousness to the
[52:13] phenomenon? Why is he talking about this
[52:16] multidimensional hierarchical reality? I
[52:20] don't know. But it's definitely
[52:21] interesting. Then there's retired senior
[52:24] CIA officer Jim Semivan. He also made
[52:28] some fascinating, albeit sometimes
[52:29] vague, statements about the phenomenon
[52:32] and how it's so much stranger and
[52:33] difficult to explain than just the
[52:35] straightforward ET hypothesis allows
[52:38] for. Listen to this quote from a podcast
[52:40] he was on where he said the truth about
[52:42] the phenomenon is indigestible.
[52:44] >> What the hell do you say? I mean, you
[52:46] come out and you say,
[52:47] "Uh, we're
[52:48] There's another presence in the universe
[52:50] which we which visits us.
[52:53] Uh, and we don't understand it. But, you
[52:55] know, it's capable of, you know,
[52:57] transforming itself into anything it
[52:58] wants to do. It can manipulate matter.
[53:00] It can manipulate electromagnetic
[53:02] spectrum. Um, it can show us things that
[53:05] may be real or may not be real. Uh, it
[53:07] can be real and not real at the same
[53:08] time." I mean, you can just go on and on
[53:10] and on. And, um, then this whole idea of
[53:12] sovereignty comes in, free will comes
[53:14] in.
[53:14] >> When, you know, when things start to
[53:16] when people start asking the million
[53:17] questions they're going to have and
[53:19] you're basically saying we're powerless
[53:20] against a entity or entities that are
[53:23] here we can't see, we have no idea of
[53:25] their intentions and capabilities. Um,
[53:27] it may mean that, you know, we're just
[53:29] immaterial. I mean, you know, you can
[53:31] get into There's so many avenues than
[53:32] that. Lou once mentioned to me we were
[53:34] we were chatting about this and and and
[53:35] I asked Lou one day what he thought, you
[53:37] know, and, you know, he drew a Venn
[53:38] diagram, you know, on a on a board and,
[53:40] you you and in the middle of the Venn,
[53:41] you know, was Well, one side was
[53:42] consciousness and the other side was um,
[53:44] um
[53:45] quantum theory.
[53:47] And the shaded part in the middle, he
[53:49] said, "That's probably where this is."
[53:50] And when you think about that, what are
[53:52] the two things we really don't know all
[53:54] that much about or that, you know, could
[53:56] be extraordinarily scary? And
[53:57] consciousness, is it local or is it, you
[53:59] know, non-local?
[54:01] Uh if it's not local, uh
[54:03] you know, not produced by the brain or
[54:04] the body or the mind, it it really means
[54:06] that there is a universal consciousness
[54:08] that that we're part of, that we're
[54:09] tapping into.
[54:10] >> Then perhaps, strangest of all, there
[54:13] are multiple executives from one of the
[54:15] world's largest defense contractors,
[54:17] Lockheed Martin, who are pretty openly
[54:19] interested in very esoteric topics.
[54:23] Former head of Lockheed's Skunk Works,
[54:25] Ben Rich, who's been dubbed the father
[54:27] of stealth for his work overseeing the
[54:28] development of the F-117,
[54:31] reportedly said some wild things during
[54:34] a talk at UCLA to a former head of MUFON
[54:37] who was in the audience.
[54:39] He claims that Rich told him that if you
[54:41] want to understand UFOs and interstellar
[54:43] travel, you have to understand ESP.
[54:48] Now, though this one is interesting and
[54:50] I couldn't resist including it, it must
[54:52] go in the maybe pile with a massive
[54:54] grain of salt.
[54:56] There's reason to suspect that this
[54:58] former head of MUFON cannot be trusted
[55:01] at his word. I'm going to leave it at
[55:03] that. The late Jim Rider, VP of Lockheed
[55:06] Martin Space Systems, and former head of
[55:08] the Advanced Technology Center, and
[55:10] Charles Chase, who, according to his
[55:12] LinkedIn, was a founder and leader of
[55:15] revolutionary technology programs, and
[55:18] senior program manager at Lockheed Skunk
[55:21] Works. And here's where things get more
[55:23] specific, strange, and interesting.
[55:26] Why did the latter, Charles Chase,
[55:29] invite Professor of Religious Studies
[55:31] Dr. Jeff Kripal, who he mentioned
[55:33] earlier, to give a lecture on instances
[55:36] of human levitation at MIT. I think
[55:39] that's worth repeating. Why did the
[55:41] founder of revolutionary technologies at
[55:44] Lockheed invite a religious scholar to
[55:47] come to MIT to give a lecture on human
[55:50] levitation?
[55:51] >> His basic his basic hunch
[55:54] which I think is correct actually
[55:57] is that
[55:58] whatever
[56:00] whatever is propelling or manifesting as
[56:02] the UFO is probably involved in human
[56:04] levitation. And what Charles thought is
[56:07] he thought if I came to MIT I could talk
[56:10] to um
[56:11] the engineers and the scientists there
[56:14] and I could talk to them about human
[56:15] levitation, UFOs, and sort of make some
[56:17] sense of this. And I couldn't of course.
[56:19] I I can't make sense of it, but I I
[56:21] think they're related. You know, because
[56:24] if you listen to
[56:25] if you listen to people who encounter
[56:27] UFOs
[56:29] first of all, there's a lot of
[56:30] levitation involved.
[56:32] They'll float off their bed or there's
[56:34] also levitation involved in demonic
[56:35] possession cases and in all kinds of
[56:38] religious situations.
[56:40] Uh uh
[56:41] when Charles invited me up to MIT he was
[56:44] I think he was just exploring. He was he
[56:46] was fishing for ideas
[56:48] >> Mhm.
[56:48] >> to do obviously what he's doing now.
[56:50] >> Well, that's fascinating that uh you
[56:52] know, people that are deep inside these
[56:55] um aerospace contractors are doing all
[56:58] this research, talking to people like
[57:00] you.
[57:01] >> Yeah.
[57:01] >> He's he's a propulsion expert talking to
[57:03] a interested in a religious scholar.
[57:06] >> Yeah.
[57:07] >> Obviously, we can only guess as to
[57:09] Chase's motivations for doing this, but
[57:11] man, there are some tempting dots to
[57:13] connect. And I can already hear the
[57:14] skeptics saying, "That's just some weird
[57:17] cherry-picked one-off."
[57:19] But, it's not. There's the late Dr. Jim
[57:22] Ryder, retired vice president of
[57:24] Lockheed Martin Space Systems, and
[57:26] former head of the Advanced Technology
[57:28] Center, to say he had some esoteric
[57:30] interests
[57:32] would be a huge understatement. In fact,
[57:35] Rider gave multiple talks in which he
[57:37] not only spoke about the UFO phenomenon,
[57:39] but the idea that these beings are
[57:41] etheric from another plane of reality.
[57:44] Check out this description of one of
[57:46] those talks called The Rending of the
[57:47] Veils. Quote, "The widespread use of
[57:50] electricity on the planet will
[57:52] materially assist in the rending of the
[57:54] veil which separates the astral plane
[57:56] from the physical plane. The dividing
[57:58] etheric web will shortly be dissipated
[58:01] and the result upon humanity and upon
[58:04] the three other kingdoms of nature
[58:06] cannot be overemphasized."
[58:08] The talk itself is an incredible grab
[58:11] bag of mystical, esoteric, and new age
[58:14] ideas. He talks about everything from
[58:16] devas and fae to psychedelics and
[58:18] altered states and mystical practices as
[58:22] a means for becoming aware of these
[58:24] beings and realms. In another talk he
[58:26] gave in 2018, which was unfortunately
[58:28] the year that he passed away, a talk
[58:30] called The Garment of the Gods, he
[58:32] discusses a lot of things that sound
[58:34] straight out of Neoplatonism and
[58:37] Hermeticism. The idea that human beings
[58:39] are psychical expressions of a soul, he
[58:41] talks about light, electricity, and
[58:44] quantum theory, consciousness, and it's
[58:46] a difficult talk to summarize. To be
[58:48] completely honest with you, they both
[58:50] are because again, they are both like
[58:52] this grab bag of ideas that I'm not
[58:55] really sure what to do with. But they do
[58:58] in part at least posit that a lot of
[59:00] forces and phenomena that science deal
[59:02] with are more like momentary
[59:05] manifestations of a deeper truth about
[59:07] reality and deeper intelligences. And
[59:09] I'm sorry if this is a lot of people and
[59:11] names being introduced, but there are
[59:14] more and we're going to name more. To
[59:16] start, DeLonge also mentions two other
[59:18] people from Lockheed that he said were
[59:20] advisers. Unfortunately again, uh as far
[59:23] as I know, I don't think it's possible
[59:25] to know what we can attribute to them.
[59:27] Moving on, of course, we have to mention
[59:29] probably the most highly thought of and
[59:31] consequential whistleblower to come out
[59:34] of the modern disclosure movement, David
[59:36] Grusch. Hey, future Michael here. Just
[59:38] wanted to let you know I did record this
[59:41] pre-Grusch's most recent appearance on
[59:43] Rogan, so none of that stuff was in my
[59:46] psyche as I recorded this. Just wanted
[59:49] to let you know that going forward.
[59:51] Grusch seems to distance himself, at
[59:53] least in some cases, from the E T
[59:55] hypothesis. If you ever watch his
[59:57] congressional testimony or his
[59:58] interviews, you'll notice he sticks very
[1:00:00] closely to the term NHI.
[1:00:03] When talking about the physical craft,
[1:00:04] he'll say things like
[1:00:06] >> Uh these are retrieving non-human origin
[1:00:09] uh technical vehicles, you know, call it
[1:00:11] spacecraft, if you will. Uh it's
[1:00:13] probably not the right parlance, but
[1:00:15] uh no kidding, non-human exotic origin
[1:00:19] vehicles that have either landed or
[1:00:21] crashed.
[1:00:21] >> Again,
[1:00:22] what he means by that, we can only guess
[1:00:25] or try to infer from other things he
[1:00:27] said. Grusch did, to an extent,
[1:00:29] elaborate on his thoughts in an
[1:00:31] interview with a French newspaper in
[1:00:33] which he suggests UFOs could be coming
[1:00:36] from extra dimensions. And here's a clip
[1:00:38] of him saying the same thing.
[1:00:40] >> If you want to imagine uh 3D objects
[1:00:42] such as yourself casting a shadow onto a
[1:00:44] 2D surface, uh that's the holographic
[1:00:47] principle. So, you can be projected,
[1:00:49] quasi projected, from higher dimensional
[1:00:50] space to lower dimensional. It's a
[1:00:52] scientific trope that you can actually
[1:00:54] cross.
[1:00:54] >> Originally, the
[1:00:55] >> holographic principle was created to
[1:00:57] explain how information is encoded on an
[1:00:58] event horizon in a black hole.
[1:01:01] But like, maybe that's what we're seeing
[1:01:03] is we're seeing higher dimensional stuff
[1:01:04] casting shadow into our space, just like
[1:01:07] how we cast a shadow on a
[1:01:08] two-dimensional surface, which is like
[1:01:10] the sidewalk, right? And maybe some of
[1:01:12] the UAPs are not even
[1:01:15] they're here, but they're not actually
[1:01:16] from out there.
[1:01:17] >> All of that, I totally admit, it's a
[1:01:19] giant stretch to uh say that Grusch is
[1:01:22] any kind of esotericist or that his
[1:01:25] views fully gel with what we're
[1:01:27] proposing in this video. But, David, my
[1:01:30] man, if you're seeing this, one, I would
[1:01:32] just love to talk to you. Two, I would
[1:01:34] really love for you to reach out and
[1:01:36] tell me I'm wrong and that that
[1:01:39] you're 100% on board with where I'm
[1:01:41] going.
[1:01:42] And to be fair, Grusch regularly does
[1:01:45] talk about the physical aspects of the
[1:01:47] phenomenon, the physical craft. He
[1:01:49] speaks of highly classified UFO reverse
[1:01:52] engineering efforts and the so-called
[1:01:54] legacy program over the top of those
[1:01:56] efforts.
[1:01:57] And if you ask me to put all those
[1:01:58] puzzle pieces together, the non-physical
[1:02:01] and the physical, the extra-dimensional,
[1:02:03] the higher intelligences with these
[1:02:05] supposed reverse engineering, I just
[1:02:07] don't know. That said, I may have a
[1:02:08] nugget of explanation that I will touch
[1:02:11] on later. Now, with this next figure and
[1:02:13] this next development, this is where the
[1:02:15] connections get incredibly direct
[1:02:18] between what we were talking about in
[1:02:20] the first part of this video with these
[1:02:22] esoteric traditions and practices and
[1:02:24] the phenomenon itself. I'm talking about
[1:02:27] former Tier 1 operator Jake Barber and
[1:02:30] psionic assets. He's one of the only
[1:02:33] credible-seeming whistleblowers I'm
[1:02:35] aware of who claims to have interacted
[1:02:37] with the phenomenon both through
[1:02:39] consciousness and physically as a
[1:02:41] helicopter pilot. And this is a guy who
[1:02:43] was regularly tasked with retrieving
[1:02:46] downed objects and returning them to
[1:02:49] safety with his helicopter. And we're
[1:02:51] not talking about anomalous things here.
[1:02:53] We're talking about, you know,
[1:02:54] experimental but prosaic craft, whatever
[1:02:57] high-value target they sent him out to
[1:03:00] pick up until one day when all of that
[1:03:02] changed. Jake was given a location, just
[1:03:05] like always, but this time something was
[1:03:08] different. Everything became highly
[1:03:10] secretive and strange, and Jake
[1:03:12] eventually learned that he indeed was
[1:03:15] being sent to pick up some kind of
[1:03:17] anomalous object, some kind of UFO. But
[1:03:21] as he got closer, something really
[1:03:23] profound and incredible happened. In his
[1:03:25] own words,
[1:03:26] >> Do I and I so I just did my best to
[1:03:29] focus on
[1:03:31] my particular cues when doing this type
[1:03:33] of work and I got the load hooked up and
[1:03:35] I began flying away. And
[1:03:38] once it was just me and that object in
[1:03:41] between the pick and the drop site, it
[1:03:43] was about 20 miles in between,
[1:03:46] I felt like something was inside of me.
[1:03:48] I felt like I was possessed by the most
[1:03:53] beautiful spirit I'd ever been possessed
[1:03:56] by. And
[1:03:58] >> Was it loving?
[1:03:59] >> It was loving.
[1:04:01] Um
[1:04:02] but there was a sense of sadness at the
[1:04:04] same time.
[1:04:06] And um
[1:04:11] >> Had you ever had an experience like this
[1:04:13] before?
[1:04:13] >> No.
[1:04:14] No, it was a very feminine energy, I'll
[1:04:17] tell you that. I It felt like felt like
[1:04:20] the spirit of God, but not in any
[1:04:23] masculine sense that I'd ever felt. It
[1:04:25] was like
[1:04:26] again, the feeling of my mother.
[1:04:29] >> In the same interview, Jake claims that
[1:04:31] this is not the only time that this
[1:04:32] happened. He was able to talk about
[1:04:34] another time, but heavily hinted that
[1:04:36] there were other times that he was not
[1:04:39] allowed to talk about. And as incredible
[1:04:41] as this sounds, multiple other military
[1:04:44] personnel came forward to corroborate
[1:04:47] Jake's stories. And I think this is
[1:04:49] pretty clear from that clip, but I do
[1:04:50] think it's worth underscoring. Though
[1:04:52] Jake did interact physically with these
[1:04:55] craft, clearly he was much more
[1:04:58] interested in emphasizing the psychical
[1:05:01] component, the higher intelligence that
[1:05:03] he connected with on a soul level. But
[1:05:06] this is not where the psychical higher
[1:05:09] intelligence lore stops with Jake's
[1:05:12] story, because Jake claims that there
[1:05:15] are specialized quote psionic assets
[1:05:18] that are used to compel these craft to
[1:05:21] show up in the first place. These
[1:05:23] psionic assets are essentially specially
[1:05:25] selected and trained psychics who are
[1:05:27] able to connect with these intelligences
[1:05:29] and evoke the appearance of these craft.
[1:05:32] >> Jake says his mission that night came
[1:05:34] from no accidental crash. The UAP was
[1:05:38] summoned by a separate team, a special
[1:05:41] team with special abilities. They're
[1:05:43] called psionics.
[1:05:45] >> What is a psionic?
[1:05:47] >> A psionic
[1:05:50] person is someone with a predisposition
[1:05:53] for um extra temporal, you could say,
[1:05:57] abilities and sensitivities.
[1:05:59] >> Extra temporal abilities, also known as
[1:06:03] psychic powers.
[1:06:04] >> In the program, there was certainly a
[1:06:08] desire to explore the idea that perhaps
[1:06:12] UAP could be summoned, could be
[1:06:15] communicated with, could be controlled,
[1:06:17] and could be persuaded to land all by
[1:06:20] deploying people with uh psionic
[1:06:23] abilities.
[1:06:24] >> And did you see that happen?
[1:06:26] >> Yes, I did.
[1:06:27] >> There genuinely are people who can
[1:06:30] actually make a mental spiritual
[1:06:33] connection
[1:06:34] to a technology.
[1:06:35] >> Yes.
[1:06:36] >> As far-fetched as that sounds,
[1:06:38] particularly if you're not aware of the
[1:06:39] military-industrial
[1:06:41] complex's kind of, you know,
[1:06:42] long-standing interest in psi and
[1:06:44] psychical phenomena, Jake announced in
[1:06:47] this same interview that he would go on
[1:06:48] to form his own effort called Sky
[1:06:50] Watcher, an organization that would
[1:06:53] attempt to use these psionic assets to
[1:06:56] do exactly what he claimed they could
[1:06:58] do. Evoke the appearance of UFOs, this
[1:07:01] time in a public setting that would be
[1:07:04] captured by scientific instrumentation
[1:07:06] and cameras.
[1:07:08] Sadly, this did not really pan out to
[1:07:11] most people's satisfaction. The project
[1:07:13] just kind of fizzled out prematurely,
[1:07:15] seemingly, at least in terms of what we
[1:07:19] as the general public are aware of. But
[1:07:21] this is where all the pieces kind of
[1:07:23] come together because eventually I did
[1:07:26] have a chance to speak to one of these
[1:07:27] psionic assets on the show, and off
[1:07:29] camera I've actually spoken to several
[1:07:31] at this point. They all seem to be very
[1:07:33] spiritually plugged-in people, but the
[1:07:36] one I had on my show, James Hodgkins,
[1:07:38] specifically told me that he's been
[1:07:40] experiencing strange phenomena from a
[1:07:42] young age. And incredibly, totally
[1:07:45] separately from me, he shares an
[1:07:47] interest in Hermeticism and
[1:07:49] Neoplatonism, and he even tweeted out
[1:07:51] that exact Proclus quote that I used
[1:07:54] earlier in this episode. And now here's
[1:07:56] the piece that could potentially connect
[1:07:59] the psychical to the physical. James
[1:08:02] posited that at least some UFOs seem to
[1:08:06] materialize out of thin air, secrete
[1:08:09] into physical reality from a higher
[1:08:12] dimension or consciousness.
[1:08:14] >> With the eggs in particular, I believe
[1:08:18] that is manifesting out of something
[1:08:20] [music] else. Um I don't think they're
[1:08:22] necessarily a bunch of things that are,
[1:08:24] you know, zooming around like what was
[1:08:26] it, mundus imaginalis?
[1:08:27] >> And I think it's worth pointing out that
[1:08:28] in general it seems to me that both
[1:08:31] James and other psionic assets really
[1:08:33] seem to deemphasize the importance of
[1:08:36] the physical and emphasize the
[1:08:38] importance of the psychical. They
[1:08:41] encourage focusing on cultivating
[1:08:43] spiritual awareness, loving kindness,
[1:08:45] and are really seemingly aimed at
[1:08:47] spiritual evolution.
[1:08:49] Again, sounds more like mysticism and
[1:08:52] theurgy and esotericism than science or
[1:08:55] engineering. So if we're to believe the
[1:08:58] account of Barber and these psionic
[1:09:00] assets, these are intelligences that
[1:09:03] exist in some kind of higher plane. And
[1:09:06] it's possible to compel or at least
[1:09:09] invite this intelligence to connect with
[1:09:11] our minds
[1:09:13] and apparently visibly manifest or
[1:09:17] produce a physical object, maybe even a
[1:09:20] craft. So, at this point you're thinking
[1:09:22] one of two things. One, that this is a
[1:09:24] bridge too far. You had me up to this
[1:09:26] point, but this is where I draw the
[1:09:27] line. Or two,
[1:09:30] how is this done? How can I find out for
[1:09:32] myself if this is real?
[1:09:34] Sadly, the practicals are definitely
[1:09:36] beyond the scope of this video, and I am
[1:09:38] no expert on this topic, or nor am I
[1:09:40] experienced myself.
[1:09:43] But, I'll give you the gist. I'm not
[1:09:44] even going to touch the topic of reverse
[1:09:46] engineering theurgic practices because
[1:09:49] it comes with
[1:09:50] so
[1:09:51] so much theory and practice, not to
[1:09:54] mention lifestyle change. So,
[1:09:57] we're going to go with a modern
[1:09:58] toe-dipping version. This comes from a
[1:10:00] very adjacent, closely related practice,
[1:10:03] CE5, Steven Greer's protocol, and more
[1:10:07] specifically what they call coherent
[1:10:09] thought sequencing. So, first you enter
[1:10:11] this state of coherence. You quiet the
[1:10:14] mind. You try to, you know, really get
[1:10:17] into this connected, unified,
[1:10:19] intentional state with the whole group.
[1:10:22] Then, you transmit your location
[1:10:25] mentally. You try to provide as clear of
[1:10:28] a picture as possible. You try to
[1:10:30] imagine zooming in and out, like you're
[1:10:31] looking at yourself through a lens on a
[1:10:34] satellite or something. You imagine your
[1:10:36] body, your location, the Earth, the
[1:10:38] solar system, the galaxy, back to your
[1:10:41] exact spot.
[1:10:42] >> [music]
[1:10:42] >> You project a loving, peaceful sort of
[1:10:45] energy, the idea that you're open to
[1:10:47] contact, that you want to communicate.
[1:10:50] I'm told the emphasis is not really
[1:10:52] about the words as much as the
[1:10:54] intention, the state that you're
[1:10:55] embodying. It has nothing to do with
[1:10:57] your beliefs. It has everything to do
[1:11:00] with what state you're actually
[1:11:01] occupying. And of course, if you're
[1:11:03] doing this with a group, everybody needs
[1:11:05] to be in harmony here. Everyone needs to
[1:11:07] be focused and occupying a similar state
[1:11:10] of consciousness. I have no idea if this
[1:11:13] works. I have not experienced a
[1:11:15] successful CE5 or uh you know, psionic
[1:11:19] uh escapade myself, but I will let you
[1:11:23] know for sure if I do. Let me know in
[1:11:25] the comments what you've experienced.
[1:11:28] Okay. So, really important point here
[1:11:30] that with all of these sources, one, not
[1:11:33] only is it speculative, like I said at
[1:11:35] the beginning of this section where
[1:11:36] we're talking about people from within
[1:11:38] these classified realms, um there are a
[1:11:41] lot of other things to consider as well.
[1:11:43] One, just because these people have been
[1:11:45] on the other side of some kind of
[1:11:47] classified barrier that we can't see
[1:11:49] beyond,
[1:11:50] it doesn't mean that they're right about
[1:11:52] their conclusions. It doesn't mean that
[1:11:54] I or you, given the same information,
[1:11:57] would have the same beliefs. For
[1:12:00] instance, I've watched Jim Rider's
[1:12:01] talks, and while I think I agree with a
[1:12:03] lot of where he's going directionally, I
[1:12:06] don't find a lot of the rationale or
[1:12:08] examples he presents to be the most
[1:12:10] compelling or even honestly
[1:12:11] well-organized. But of course, take my
[1:12:14] opinion with a grain of salt and watch
[1:12:15] them for yourself. And again, let me
[1:12:17] know what you think in the comments.
[1:12:18] Two, we obviously have to keep
[1:12:21] disinformation and counterintelligence
[1:12:23] in mind here, too. These factors could
[1:12:25] always be at play when we're dealing
[1:12:27] with these organizations.
[1:12:29] There could be very real nuts-and-bolts
[1:12:31] technologies that these agents of the
[1:12:33] military-industrial complex are trying
[1:12:36] to hide with sort of esoteric red
[1:12:38] herrings.
[1:12:39] Three, and I guess 3.5, they could be
[1:12:42] inherently limited in what they're
[1:12:44] allowed to say. And if we did know those
[1:12:47] things that they're unable to say, maybe
[1:12:49] that would again change our entire
[1:12:52] feeling about the complexion of what
[1:12:53] they're saying. And the related point
[1:12:55] that I alluded to, because of what you
[1:12:57] hear all the time that all of this
[1:12:59] information is so compartmentalized,
[1:13:01] they themselves might be missing key
[1:13:04] information, which means they themselves
[1:13:06] may not be fully informed, which means
[1:13:08] they might be mistaken or misled. I've
[1:13:11] also noticed that some of these sources
[1:13:12] almost seem to contradict themselves.
[1:13:14] You know, like I pointed out before,
[1:13:16] they'll talk about things that sound
[1:13:17] very non-physical, then move straight
[1:13:19] into something physical in a way that's
[1:13:22] almost a complete non sequitur, which
[1:13:24] makes the whole thing feel pretty
[1:13:26] wobbly. And though these two things, as
[1:13:28] we were just discussing, may not be
[1:13:30] mutually exclusive, there's a lot of
[1:13:32] missing sinew there. Are the physical
[1:13:34] aspects of the phenomenon, the nuts and
[1:13:36] bolts, are they extensions of higher
[1:13:40] consciousness, like we were talking
[1:13:41] about before, or are these totally
[1:13:44] separate phenomena created by different
[1:13:46] actors that are also of unknown origin?
[1:13:48] Are they our own highly classified tech,
[1:13:50] a totally different branch of
[1:13:51] technology? What or who are the pilots,
[1:13:54] if any? The questions and the lack of
[1:13:57] answers just go on and on. Speaking of
[1:13:59] going on and on, there is so much more
[1:14:02] that we could discuss, that could
[1:14:04] connect some of these dots, but they may
[1:14:06] also just complicate everything at this
[1:14:08] point. But because I can't resist, for
[1:14:11] instance, stories about craft allegedly
[1:14:13] being piloted by consciousness, and
[1:14:16] therefore, what really needs to be
[1:14:18] reverse engineered is the pilots, not
[1:14:21] the craft. And many, many other novelty
[1:14:24] nuggets that I just didn't quite feel
[1:14:26] like fit within the scope of this video,
[1:14:28] or they were just too hard to verify, or
[1:14:30] whatever. I'm also not saying I even
[1:14:32] necessarily believe any of the
[1:14:34] individual accounts I've shared. Truly,
[1:14:37] you could probably eliminate the whole
[1:14:38] third part of this video, and it really
[1:14:41] would not change my thesis. But with
[1:14:43] that, some absolutely vital thoughts
[1:14:46] before we conclude this exploration, And
[1:14:49] two, I think we've earned a bit of
[1:14:50] summary. We've introduced so much here.
[1:14:54] Just as Plato tells us in his famous
[1:14:55] tale of the cave, the reality we
[1:14:57] perceive with our senses is not the true
[1:15:00] reality. It is the shadow of a much
[1:15:03] higher truth. It is a sensory
[1:15:05] simulation. There are deeper
[1:15:07] non-physical layers of reality populated
[1:15:09] by various orders of intelligences.
[1:15:12] Ancient esotericists, hermeticists,
[1:15:15] neoplatonic philosophers, theurgists
[1:15:17] were seemingly able to commune with
[1:15:20] these intelligences through sacred
[1:15:22] rites. These intelligences manifest as
[1:15:25] qualities of light, forms that sound
[1:15:27] eerily similar to orb-like UFO
[1:15:30] phenomenon. And it doesn't stop with
[1:15:32] just orb-like manifestations. There are
[1:15:34] the psychical elements we mentioned,
[1:15:36] communications, downloads, and insights.
[1:15:39] Highly respected more contemporary UFO
[1:15:41] researchers like Dr. J. Allen Hynek,
[1:15:43] Jacques Vallée, and John Keel came to
[1:15:45] similar conclusions about the UFO
[1:15:47] phenomenon, that it's primarily
[1:15:49] non-physical,
[1:15:51] that what we're seeing with the
[1:15:52] phenomenon are just shapeshifting masks
[1:15:55] on a deeper intelligence. Or like I said
[1:15:58] before, shadows on the cave wall of our
[1:16:00] psyches. There are also shockingly
[1:16:03] high-ranking people from within the
[1:16:05] military-industrial complex who seem to
[1:16:08] be thinking about the phenomenon in a
[1:16:09] similar way. From retired generals and
[1:16:12] colonels and hands-on operators to
[1:16:14] executives from multi-billion dollar
[1:16:16] defense contractors rumored to be
[1:16:18] involved in classified reverse
[1:16:20] engineering programs. So, to be clear,
[1:16:22] I'm not saying something as simplistic
[1:16:24] as all of the UFO phenomenon can be
[1:16:26] boiled down to one thing or one
[1:16:28] explanation. I'm not saying this
[1:16:30] categorically disproves the ET
[1:16:32] hypothesis or the idea of craft and
[1:16:35] hangars or bodies hidden somewhere. Nor
[1:16:37] am I claiming that angels and daimones
[1:16:40] and whatever else totally explain UFOs.
[1:16:43] I do argue that I think these concepts
[1:16:46] are relevant. I'm saying that this
[1:16:48] ancient way of seeing reality along with
[1:16:50] their metaphysical concepts, the idea of
[1:16:52] a layered reality populated by a panoply
[1:16:55] of intelligences, many of them subtle or
[1:16:58] totally non-physical, I think this is a
[1:17:00] much better, far more flexible map for
[1:17:03] explaining the phenomenon than modern
[1:17:05] materialism and empirical science. And
[1:17:08] I'll admit the phenomenon aspect of this
[1:17:11] does become secondary to me at a certain
[1:17:13] point because just like Plato and
[1:17:16] Socrates and the mystics were arguing
[1:17:18] for, I think the
[1:17:20] consciousness shift, the way of seeing
[1:17:22] reality that falls out of all of this is
[1:17:25] even more consequential than whatever's
[1:17:27] going on with the UFO phenomenon because
[1:17:30] it goes to the very root of our being,
[1:17:31] what we're doing here, reality itself.
[1:17:34] If this is even directionally accurate,
[1:17:36] it means that reality is filled with
[1:17:38] consciousness, filled with meaning,
[1:17:40] intelligence, and vital energy. And that
[1:17:43] we are multi-dimensional beings that are
[1:17:45] far more than our physical bodies. That
[1:17:47] the physical world we perceive with our
[1:17:49] senses is only the tip of the great
[1:17:51] mysteries iceberg. And I acknowledge I'm
[1:17:54] posting this big thesis statement at
[1:17:56] sort of an interesting time because it's
[1:17:58] possible I could be proven wrong or at
[1:18:00] least partially wrong in a pretty short
[1:18:03] order with all of these government
[1:18:05] disclosures occurring. But
[1:18:07] I haven't been impressed so far, so
[1:18:10] I don't think I will be.
[1:18:12] And as Peter Levenda said to me,
[1:18:13] >> Let's say a government functionary comes
[1:18:15] out and says,
[1:18:17] "We are not alone in the universe. There
[1:18:18] are aliens.
[1:18:20] Um we have craft. We have bodies."
[1:18:22] What's the question everybody starts
[1:18:24] asking after that? There is no one
[1:18:25] question. Everybody freaks out. Is there
[1:18:28] a god? Are there angels? Are there
[1:18:29] demons? What planet did they come from?
[1:18:31] Do we have an agreement with them? How
[1:18:32] many of them are there? Where do they
[1:18:33] come from? Can we find them? What All
[1:18:35] these things are going to Those are the
[1:18:36] cons, right? They can't answer these
[1:18:38] questions. I'm sure they can.
[1:18:39] >> Was that a lot? Did that make sense? Uh
[1:18:42] it felt like a lot to me. It certainly
[1:18:44] was a rather uh girthy undertaking. If
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