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[0:00] It's telling you that some of the foods you're
eating are affecting your immune system, your
[0:04] hormones, your gut microbiome in ways that your
body doesn't like.
[0:08] If I had one test and one treatment and I was
stranded on Desert Island and that was the only
[0:13] thing I could choose to do to treat my
patients, it would be the ten day detox, both
[0:18] as a diagnostic and a therapeutic.
[0:20] There's no better test and no better treatment
for chronic disease.
[0:24] Welcome back to Office Hours.
[0:25] I'm Doctor.
[0:26] Mark Hyman.
[0:27] I'm here with Emma, my producer, and we're
gonna be talking about my favorite topic, which
[0:33] is the ten day detox because it's something
that everybody should do at least once to know
[0:40] what's really happening in their body.
[0:42] So let's get into it.
[0:43] Alright, Mark.
[0:43] We've heard you talk about the ten day detox
for years.
[0:47] But something I don't think I've heard you
explain is why you created it in the first
[0:51] place.
[0:52] So let's go back to the origin of it.
[0:54] What were you seeing in your patients that made
you think, I wanna try something different?
[0:58] Well, look, Emma, you know, I've been a
practicing doctor for nearly forty years,
[1:04] which is
[1:04] a terrifying statement to make, but I think
it's true.
[1:08] And functional medicine, I've been practicing
for thirty years.
[1:12] And what was really clear upfront was that food
is medicine, that food is information, that
[1:18] it's code, that upgrades or downgrades your
biological software with every bite, and that
[1:23] it is a powerful tool for healing.
[1:26] And that there are two fundamental things wrong
with our diet.
[1:29] One is there's too much stuff that our body
doesn't like, that creates inflammation, that
[1:34] disregards our microbiome, that makes us
insulin resistant, that adversely affects our
[1:39] immune system.
[1:40] And there's not enough of the protective foods
that we need to actually create healing in the
[1:45] body and activate all of our healing systems.
[1:49] So I was very early on doing what we called
elimination diets.
[1:53] I don't really like that term, but essentially
it's like getting rid of gluten, dairy, sugar,
[1:58] processed food, blah blah blah.
[1:59] But it's also not just what you eliminate, it's
what you add that matters.
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[2:15] And I began to realize that as I was applying
this for various problems that people had,
[2:21] whether was a migraine or whether it was, I
don't know, gut issues or autoimmune disease or
[2:25] depression, whatever it was, that if I did it a
certain way, and we'll talk about what that way
[2:33] is, and I kind of modified the functional
medicine elimination diet a little to be more,
[2:39] I think, adhering to what I thought would
create the most impact in the shortest amount
[2:43] of time to have the most profound healing
benefits that people could actually feel.
[2:47] Because I didn't want people to just trust what
I had to say.
[2:50] I didn't want people to do what I told them
because I told them.
[2:53] I want them to have the experience of what
their body is telling them and whether it feels
[2:58] good or not.
[2:59] I always say the smartest doctor in the room is
your own body.
[3:02] It's going to tell you what works.
[3:04] If you eat gluten and you get a migraine, your
body's telling you something.
[3:08] Like, that's information.
[3:09] And so I I realized after doing this for a long
time in my practice that this was something
[3:15] useful for the general population.
[3:17] And there was a tool that I wanted to get out
there in the world.
[3:20] And you know, when people do the elimination
diet, sometimes do it for ten days, for two
[3:24] weeks, for three weeks, for three months, for
one year.
[3:27] And if I called the one year detox, no one
would buy it.
[3:29] So I call it the ten day detox diet.
[3:32] And essentially, it was an elimination diet.
[3:34] It doesn't eliminate everything.
[3:35] It doesn't like eggs or nuts or nightshades.
[3:38] And there's more advanced versions like the
autoimmune paleo diet that does that.
[3:41] But it was good enough that I was seeing
dramatic results across the board over and over
[3:46] again in thousands of patients in my practice
and in tens of thousands or more online and
[3:51] other places.
[3:53] So that's really why I created the book, The
Tend to Detox Diet.
[3:56] It came out in 2014.
[3:58] Earlier with Matt, had a detox box which came
out in 2005, which was way before then, which
[4:04] was very similar to this.
[4:05] It was a little bit different, but very
similar.
[4:08] And I was just seeing incredible results from
it.
[4:09] So I I wanted to provide something in the world
that people could follow that was clear.
[4:14] And it's a diet that does three things.
[4:16] It corrects the biggest metabolic problem we
have, which is insulin resistance and I've seen
[4:21] it reverse diabetes, type two diabetes, not
type one.
[4:25] I've seen it correct the microbiome and improve
gut health.
[4:29] And three, I've seen it reverse autoimmune
disease.
[4:33] So it's great for immune function, for gut
function, and for metabolic function.
[4:38] And that's really why I think it's so important
because these are the these are the things that
[4:42] are really affecting people so much and that
that people often don't have easy answers for
[4:47] and they're often struggling with.
[4:49] And often the answer is no further than your
fork.
[4:54] So I I...
[4:55] It's always the first place I start because if
someone doesn't get better, then there's
[4:59] something else.
[4:59] They might have metals or they might have lime
or they might have mold or they might have
[5:03] something else.
[5:05] But what we see across the board on average,
and I've done this in workshops, I've done this
[5:09] online, and this is my practice, we've had
people fill out a symptom questionnaire, which
[5:14] is grading their symptoms on a scale of one to
four.
[5:16] Do have a headache?
[5:18] Yes or no?
[5:18] How bad is it on a scale of one to four?
[5:20] Four is terrible and all the time.
[5:22] One is occasionally not so bad.
[5:24] We basically give people a score.
[5:26] And that score is the medical symptom
questionnaire score.
[5:30] And that score, on average, in ten days goes
down by 70%.
[5:35] That's a staggering statistic that I find
repeated over and over.
[5:40] And I do this in groups, do it online, I check
it.
[5:42] I'm like, this doesn't make sense given what I
learned in medical school.
[5:45] But that's how powerful food is and food is
medicine.
[5:48] So I want people to have that experience.
[5:49] I don't want them to rely on what I'm selling
them.
[5:51] I don't want to believe what I say.
[5:53] I want them to try it because, you know, the
proof is in the pudding, as they say.
[5:57] Or maybe not in the pudding, maybe it's in the
broccoli, I don't know.
[6:01] The broccoli, I like that.
[6:03] So when you first started using this with your
patients, did anything surprise you initially?
[6:07] Yeah,
[6:08] a
[6:08] 100%.
[6:09] I mean, I learned about this when I was trained
in functional medicine and I was like, okay,
[6:13] let's start doing elimination diets and when
people would come in with various problems I
[6:17] would do it.
[6:17] And then I would follow-up with them two weeks
later and they would say, doctor Hyman, my
[6:21] asthma is gone, my irritable bowel is gone, my
migraines are gone, my depression is gone, my
[6:25] muscle aches are gone, my joint pain is gone,
my runny nose is gone, my sinuses are better,
[6:29] my acne is gone.
[6:30] I'm like, what?
[6:31] My eczema is gone.
[6:32] I'm like, what?
[6:33] Like, what do you mean?
[6:34] Like, how how is that possible?
[6:35] I was like, are you sure?
[6:38] You know, because I I didn't believe it.
[6:39] I I just...
[6:40] I was trained conventionally and I just was...
[6:42] It was such a radical result that I was seeing
for so many patients.
[6:49] And I was like, holy cow, like this is a
miracle.
[6:52] But it wasn't.
[6:53] It was just the application of good science.
[6:55] And sadly, it's a tool that hasn't yet reached
traditional medicine.
[6:59] Like it is probably the most powerful tool in
my toolkit.
[7:03] That's the first step.
[7:04] It's almost like the level playing field.
[7:06] Just kind of level set people's health and see
what's left.
[7:09] And then we work on whatever's left.
[7:11] So when you first started using the Thin
elimination diet in your career, when you first
[7:15] started practicing functional medicine, how has
that changed then what the ten day detox is as
[7:20] we know it now?
[7:22] And also, like, what do you understand
differently now 30 into your journey than you
[7:27] did at that initial stage?
[7:28] Well, when I first started doing elimination
diets, you know, I learned that, you know, you
[7:32] want to eliminate gluten, dairy, ultra
processed food, you know, sometimes corn,
[7:37] sometimes soy, sometimes eggs, sometimes
nightshades.
[7:41] But the real for me was when I decided that,
you know, a lot of people were having gut
[7:46] issues.
[7:47] And not that these foods are inherently bad,
but that they are problematic for a lot of
[7:53] people with gut issues or with insulin
resistance, which affects to some degree ninety
[7:58] percent of the population.
[8:00] And it's grains and beans.
[8:01] Now grains and beans can be a really healthy
part of your diet.
[8:05] But if your gut's a mess, if you have
autoimmunity, particularly, these can be
[8:09] problematic.
[8:10] If you're insulin resistant, they're starchy.
[8:13] So they, you know, you...
[8:14] In order to get the same amount of protein you
get in four ounces of chicken, you have to eat
[8:18] six cups of brown rice or two cups of beans.
[8:21] And if you do that, you're getting thousands of
calories and tons of starch.
[8:25] So, you know, I just I just kind of very
quickly realized that it was better to sort of
[8:29] get rid of stuff and then add it back.
[8:31] In other words, if if if people want to do an
elimination diet, well, I'm just gonna
[8:34] eliminate gluten.
[8:36] But they don't feel better because they're
still eating dairy and dairy is affecting them.
[8:41] Or they're still eating gluten in dairy, but
maybe, you know, beans or grains are affecting
[8:47] them or maybe, you know, soybeans are affecting
them.
[8:51] And and so they're not going to get a clear
picture if you don't take everything out.
[8:56] And and really my mentor, Sidney Baker, taught
me this.
[8:59] He's an incredible physician.
[9:00] One of really...
[9:01] I think he should have won a Nobel Prize for
some of his brilliance in developing a lot of
[9:06] the foundational principles of functional
medicine clinically.
[9:09] He created something called the TAC rules.
[9:12] If you're standing on a TAC, it takes a lot of
aspirin to make it feel better.
[9:16] If you're eating gluten and you have an
autoimmune disease caused by gluten, you can
[9:20] take a lot of drugs to suppress the immune
system, but you've to stop the gluten.
[9:23] And if you're standing on two taps, taking one
out doesn't make you 50% better.
[9:28] If you're eating gluten and dairy, just take
out the gluten, you're still gonna be sick.
[9:31] Right?
[9:32] So you have to take everything out.
[9:34] You have to find all the tax, remove them, and
then you can see what the baseline is.
[9:38] So that's what I do.
[9:39] And I think it's it's not that hard to do.
[9:42] It's just eating real food.
[9:43] There's no calorie restriction.
[9:44] There's no complicated juices.
[9:46] There's no...
[9:47] It's just food.
[9:48] It's just food.
[9:49] And I call it the detox, but part of the reason
I called it that was because sugar addiction is
[9:56] a real thing.
[9:57] Sugar and starch addiction is a real biological
phenomenon.
[10:00] The Yale Food Addiction Scale was developed by
Kelly Brownell at the Rudd Obesity Center at
[10:05] Yale.
[10:06] And based on global surveys, fourteen percent
of adults and fourteen percent of children are
[10:12] biologically addicted to food.
[10:14] Like by like by by the definition of addiction,
which is, you know, withdrawal symptoms,
[10:19] cravings, preoccupation with the substance and
so forth.
[10:23] And when you think about it, fourteen percent
of adults are addicted to alcohol, but not
[10:26] fourteen percent of kids.
[10:27] So we got fourteen and fourteen and this is bad
news.
[10:30] So there is a real phenomenon, and I read about
this in the book where they, for example, they
[10:34] took it's terrible study, so I I I didn't do
it, but I I just read it, which is they took
[10:39] rats and they stuck them in a cage and they let
them eat sugar.
[10:43] They gave them cocaine IV.
[10:45] And so they could hit a lever to get cocaine
intravenously or to get sugar.
[10:48] They would work eight times harder to get the
sugar than to get the cocaine.
[10:52] Knowing that, they put them in cases with
electric shock pads.
[10:56] And so they would start eating sugar.
[10:57] They would let me sugar and then they start
shocking them, like giving them electric
[11:00] shocks.
[11:01] And they would keep eating the sugar even
though they were getting electric shocks, it
[11:05] almost killed them.
[11:06] That's how addictive sugar is.
[11:08] And we've seen this on studies from David
Ludwig and others where we looked at functional
[11:12] MRIs and we see the brain light up in the
addiction area like heroin just with sugar.
[11:17] So it was very clear to me that when I'm in
detox in this case was how do you detox from
[11:21] cravings and addiction to sugar?
[11:23] I'm sure everybody listening had knows what
this feeling is like.
[11:26] You want sugar.
[11:27] You want carbs.
[11:28] You want...
[11:28] You crave it.
[11:29] It's not like an emotional problem.
[11:31] It's not a it's not a willpower issue.
[11:33] It's not you have some moral failing or you're
you're corrupt, you know, and just can't deal
[11:39] with yourself.
[11:40] These are these are powerful drives that that
are hijacking our brain chemistry, our
[11:44] hormones, our metabolism.
[11:46] And the only way to stop it is to just stop
that stuff.
[11:49] And that's what the detox is about.
[11:51] Getting rid of sugar, starch and ultra
processed food and adding in all the protective
[11:55] foods.
[11:55] So by detox, you don't mean a detox juice
cleanse or, you
[11:59] know No.
[12:00] It's a juice cleanse.
[12:00] No.
[12:01] It's not a juice cleanse or enema or like doing
any kind of crazy stuff.
[12:04] It's just eating Yep.
[12:05] Getting out of packed food and eating good
food.
[12:08] And you can eat as much as you want.
[12:09] It's unlimited amount of food.
[12:10] You can...
[12:10] There's no starvation, and people will lose
significant amounts of weight.
[12:13] But often, people will lose an average of eight
pounds in a week.
[12:16] Blood pressure will drop 20 points.
[12:18] Blood sugar will drop significantly.
[12:19] It's quite amazing.
[12:20] We measure these things.
[12:21] Okay.
[12:21] So let's bring this to someone that might be
watching or listening to this.
[12:25] So say they're eating reasonably well, but
maybe they're tired in the afternoon.
[12:29] Maybe they're not sleeping super well or they
feel bloated after they eat all the time.
[12:34] How do they know if they actually need
something like this program?
[12:37] You know, Emma, the truth is, like I said at
the top of the show, everybody should do this
[12:43] at least once.
[12:44] Because you don't know what's affecting you
until it stops.
[12:48] It's like the elephant standing on your foot.
[12:50] You don't know the elephant standing on your
foot.
[12:51] It's been there your whole life until he gets
off.
[12:54] And then you go, you know, like, I didn't know.
[12:57] I was like, oh, I didn't I didn't actually know
I wasn't feeling good until I started feeling
[13:02] good.
[13:02] I had...
[13:03] One of my patients said to me, doctor Hyman, I
didn't know I was feeling so bad until I
[13:07] started feeling so good.
[13:09] They just feel normal, but their normal is not
good.
[13:12] And then you jump up an octave in health and
you go, wow.
[13:15] I don't have to have brain fog.
[13:16] I don't have to be tired.
[13:18] I don't have to have gut issues.
[13:19] I don't have to be achy.
[13:20] I don't have to be puffy.
[13:20] Don't have to be swollen.
[13:21] All these things are available to you, and it
just takes ten days.
[13:25] And I know I sound like a preacher and I sound
like an evangelist, but I'm telling you, is
[13:29] this is this is the biggest scientific
discovery that nobody's talking about that
[13:34] hasn't had enough research on it,
unfortunately.
[13:36] But, you know, we did this at Cleveland Clinic.
[13:38] We we did this where we we actually did a a
study with the rheumatology department.
[13:43] This is the number one rheumatology department
in the world.
[13:45] Cleveland Clinic is one or two in everything in
the world.
[13:48] They're number one rheumatology, which is joint
health.
[13:51] We had their fellow analyze our data from our
clinic at the Center for Functional Medicine.
[13:55] It wasn't us analyzing the data, it was their
fellow and their scientists.
[14:00] They looked at the rheumatoid arthritis and the
psoriatic arthritis patients in our practice
[14:04] versus their practice.
[14:05] And they are again applying the best available
medicine and science.
[14:09] We did better on every single metric across the
board in terms of outcomes and improvement for
[14:16] those patients than the rheumatology
department.
[14:19] Why?
[14:19] Because we're putting people on elimination
diet.
[14:20] We put people on the ten day detox diet.
[14:22] That's what we did.
[14:23] So that's how powerful it is.
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[14:29] I say that because we talk about mood, brain
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[14:34] all happening from the neck up.
[14:35] It's not.
[14:36] Your brain and your body are in constant
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[14:40] Your blood sugar, your hormones, inflammation,
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[14:45] you feel.
[14:45] Maybe your vitamin d is low, or there's another
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[16:14] So you mentioned there it's ten days.
[16:16] But why is it ten days?
[16:17] Why is it not thirty days or six weeks?
[16:20] Listen, the truth is sometimes I'll put people
on for a year.
[16:24] Can eat this way for life.
[16:25] It's more or less how I eat all the time.
[16:27] So it's not necessarily for ten days.
[16:30] I mean, if I wrote, like, if I wrote the three
month detox, no one would do it.
[16:33] I can do anything for ten days.
[16:35] So it's basically just keeping people started.
[16:37] And then depending on what's going on, if you
if you feel better, great.
[16:40] You can start to reintroduce foods and see
what's really going on.
[16:43] You have control.
[16:44] But maybe you know.
[16:45] You go, oh, I got rid of all this stuff.
[16:48] I'm adding back dairy.
[16:49] And when I eat dairy, my nose congested, my
stomach hurts, I get pimples.
[16:55] You know, yeah, okay.
[16:56] So dairy, your body's telling you something.
[16:58] And then you can do more of a longer term three
month detox diet, which is the same approach,
[17:04] but then you do a gut repair protocol to heal
the leaky gut.
[17:08] And then you might be able to reintroduce foods
then.
[17:09] So it's a process.
[17:10] Sometimes you need to work with a functional
medicine doctor and we see people at the Ultra
[17:14] Wellness Center.
[17:14] You're welcome to come work with us on all
these things.
[17:16] But it's it's really it's really, you know, the
first step.
[17:19] Let's break down what someone would feel as
they're going through this process.
[17:24] If I was to start tomorrow, what actually is
happening inside my body, especially as I'm
[17:29] taking away the sugar and the processed foods,
what will I experience in the first few days?
[17:34] Well, you know, what happens is when you stop
starch and sugar and ultra processed food, what
[17:40] happens is your insulin levels drop pretty
dramatically when you're...
[17:45] Because your blood sugar is not spiking.
[17:47] Your insulin drops, and when insulin drops, you
lose a lot of fluid.
[17:53] Why?
[17:54] Because insulin causes you to retain salt or
sodium.
[17:57] And so as soon as you drop insulin, you're
dumping water.
[17:59] And people go, water weight.
[18:01] Yes, it's water weight, but that's
inflammation.
[18:03] And so you do lose and you pee out a lot.
[18:06] So that's the first thing people know is a lot
of, like, kind of urination and water loss and
[18:12] some weight loss.
[18:14] Then what happens is you've got circulating
antibodies to many of these foods that you're
[18:18] eating.
[18:19] The antibodies are attacking the food and
they're creating a low grade inflammatory
[18:23] response.
[18:25] It's not a true allergy, but it's this low
grade inflammatory response.
[18:28] You stop eating those foods, you've got all
these antibodies floating around in your blood
[18:33] and what do they do?
[18:35] They find each other and they form these things
called immune complexes which make you feel
[18:40] like you have the flu.
[18:42] So for the first few days, you could feel like
you have the flu, you could feel tired, you
[18:47] feel out of it, you might want to sleep more,
encourage people to rest, take a nap, take
[18:51] plenty of electrolytes because you can you can
go low on electrolytes, and encourage people to
[18:56] eat in a particular way that starts with
protein and fat in the morning, and, you know,
[19:01] has regular meals with protein, fat, and fiber,
so they balance out their blood sugar, their
[19:05] insulin, and they usually can mitigate a lot of
these symptoms.
[19:08] But if you do the steps in the ten day detox,
and it's designed with all sorts of other
[19:13] wraparound services to help with lifestyle
recommendations, whether it's an Epsom salt
[19:17] bath at night with lavender, whether it's extra
magnesium or vitamin c.
[19:21] There's lots of ways to mitigate these things,
but it's really important to make sure you you
[19:25] realize the first few days you're gonna feel
like crap.
[19:27] But then, day three, everything starts to get
better.
[19:31] And by day five, people are flying and feel
amazing.
[19:35] The brain fog's lifted, energy increases, sleep
improves, joints don't hurt, everything kinda
[19:39] tends to get better and it continues like that
for the rest of the of the ten days.
[19:43] Okay.
[19:44] So if this sounds a little bit overwhelming to
someone and they're maybe not ready to do the
[19:49] proper ten day detox, what's a category that
you would recommend them to begin with?
[19:55] I think that that if you don't wanna do a full,
full detox, I think getting rid of gluten,
[19:59] dairy, and ultra processed food and alcohol is
sort of bare minimum.
[20:05] If you start there, that often will help a lot.
[20:08] But again, it's like the tack rules.
[20:09] If you do all that and you're eating lots of
soybeans and soybeans are causing an
[20:14] inflammatory response, you're not gonna feel
better.
[20:16] And you'll go, oh, this doesn't work, and
you'll you'll miss the point.
[20:19] I'll use myself as an example with my next
question.
[20:22] I have gotten my bloods done for a celiac test,
and it says that I'm not sensitive to gluten.
[20:27] So why are you telling me to take gluten and
dairy out as I do this detox?
[20:34] Great question.
[20:35] So so, you know, we've been eating wheat and
dairy for, you know, centuries, thousands of
[20:40] years.
[20:40] Not forever, right?
[20:41] Just we've been alive as humans for two hundred
thousand years and probably for ten thousand
[20:45] years we've been consuming, you know, dairy and
and gluten.
[20:49] Before that we didn't.
[20:50] And nobody was milking a woolly mammoth or a
saber tooth tiger.
[20:53] Right?
[20:53] So the the the dairy we eat and the wheat we
eat are not the wheat and the dairy we ate.
[21:01] They're very different.
[21:02] They're industrial products.
[21:04] They're factory farmed.
[21:06] They're factory raised.
[21:08] And the industrial farming of wheat has led to
the development of a dwarf wheat.
[21:13] It's not a GMO food, but it's it actually has
much higher levels of gluten in it and gliadin
[21:18] proteins, much higher starch content.
[21:20] It's sprayed with glyphosate, which destroys
the microbiome on top of that, and probably a
[21:25] lot of pesticides and other stuff.
[21:26] And then the dairy is, is from these mostly
Holstein cows, which are hybridized to, meaning
[21:34] bred, to produce a lot of milk.
[21:37] And they produce a kind of milk that has a
particular type of casein called A1 casein,
[21:42] which is different than A2 casein, which you'll
see in goats and sheep and more heirloom cows.
[21:47] Typically the A2, A1 casein causes more
inflammation and gut issues and autoimmunity
[21:51] and cancer.
[21:52] And the data is pretty good on this.
[21:54] And then the gluten causes more gut disruption.
[21:56] Doctor.
[21:57] Alessio Fasano at Harvard has done the work on
this.
[22:00] Everybody, pretty much everybody who eats
wheat, it causes some level of leaky gut.
[22:06] It causes some disruption in the intestinal
barrier.
[22:08] Now, it may be small and insignificant and you
don't notice it, or it could be more
[22:12] significant even if you don't have gluten
sensitivity.
[22:14] Now, there's basically three categories of
gluten problems.
[22:18] The first is full blown celiac.
[22:20] Means you're never going to touch wheat, you're
going be really sick.
[22:23] And that's diagnosed by high levels of gluten
antibodies in the blood as well as potentially
[22:30] biopsy on a small intestinal biopsy that looks
at the gut.
[22:35] Also, genetic testing can tell you if you're at
risk.
[22:38] The second is what we call non celiac gluten
sensitivity, which means you might have some
[22:42] level of antibodies, they're not zero.
[22:44] But if you have any level of antibody, even if
it's within the normal range, the range is zero
[22:47] to 20, even if you're like 15, it's not normal.
[22:51] Something's happening, means you've been
exposed to gluten, your immune system's
[22:54] reacting to it and you have a leaky gut.
[22:56] And then there's the third type of response
which you can't tell at all from the antibodies
[22:59] and you can't really measure very easily, is
from your innate immune system.
[23:03] This is your ancient immune system that
predates the antibody.
[23:08] The antibody is very specific.
[23:09] It's like smart bombs, whereas like, you know,
the innate immune system is just a general
[23:13] carpet bombing of everything.
[23:15] It's just not specific to a particular protein.
[23:17] It's just a generalized immune response.
[23:19] So we know there's an innate immune response to
gluten.
[23:22] So you can't even tell if you're...
[23:23] Even if your lab is all normal unless you do an
elimination diet.
[23:26] Okay.
[23:27] That makes sense.
[23:28] So Are you
[23:29] convinced now, Emma?
[23:30] Are gonna do it?
[23:32] I'm convinced.
[23:33] So we talked a lot about what we're
eliminating, what I need to remove from my
[23:37] kitchen, from my diet.
[23:39] Can you now walk me through an example of what
I should eat in a day?
[23:43] So walk me through a great breakfast idea,
lunch.
[23:45] I know you're not a fan of snacks, but say I'm
a little peckish in the afternoon and I want a
[23:49] little snack, and also a nice dinner that I can
have.
[23:53] Yeah.
[23:54] So the basic...
[23:54] The food that you include, we talked about the
food you eliminate.
[23:57] Mhmm.
[23:57] Food you include is protein, so chicken, beef,
lamb, fish, anything you want, shellfish, nuts
[24:06] and seeds, unlimited unlimited vegetables
except for like potatoes and starchy
[24:12] vegetables.
[24:13] You can have a little bit of that, like a sweet
potato dinner or something.
[24:15] It's fine, but like not like you know, eat four
pounds of sweet potatoes a day, which some
[24:19] people will do.
[24:20] Fruit is okay, but only certain fruits,
particularly berries that are low glycemic and
[24:26] not too much.
[24:27] And that's essentially what you're eating.
[24:29] And so there's a recipe in the book for, you
know, the Tendi detox shake, which essentially
[24:34] is nuts and seeds and berries and and and lots
of really yummy stuff.
[24:39] You can have eggs.
[24:40] You can have an omelet.
[24:41] You can have, you know, vegetable omelet.
[24:44] All sorts of things you can have that are
basically protein, fat, and veggies, and and
[24:49] fiber.
[24:49] And then if you wanna snack on something, if
you're hungry, it would be nuts and seeds would
[24:53] be a great snack.
[24:54] What I would say is is, you know, lunch and
dinner are more like protein and veggies.
[24:58] So chicken, fish, meat, lots of veggies, maybe
sweet potato, and that's it.
[25:04] It's pretty simple.
[25:04] Say I've hit my ten days.
[25:06] I'm entering day 11.
[25:08] Can I order a pizza?
[25:09] Or how do I slowly reintroduce these foods back
into my diet?
[25:14] And also, what should I start looking for after
I've done the detox?
[25:16] Emily, you can definitely order a pizza, but
you'll probably end up in the hospital.
[25:21] And I'm I'm only being half serious here
because the the reality is if you stop all
[25:28] those foods and your immune system resets and
then you reintroduce stuff in the wrong way or
[25:35] too soon, these antibodies are still
circulating, and they're looking for trouble.
[25:39] And so your body will go into a massive immune
response and you can get quite sick if you go
[25:44] ahead and introduce everything all at once.
[25:46] So pizza would be gluten, dairy, you know, it's
like, it's not great.
[25:50] So I think I think people should start very
specifically with one food category at a time.
[25:55] So, you know, they maybe wanna say you wanna
start with gluten and you eat, you know, pasta
[26:00] and, you know, bread and things like that for
three days consistently and sort of keep a
[26:06] journal and see how you do.
[26:08] Oh, I'm fine.
[26:09] Or, okay, maybe you can tolerate gluten.
[26:11] Then you add dairy and then, oh, you go, oh,
wow.
[26:14] As soon as I eat dairy, I get a migraine or my
joints hurt or I have brain fog or my nose is
[26:22] running or I you know, get terrible diarrhea,
or whatever happens.
[26:26] Your body will tell you pretty quick.
[26:28] So be very astute and listen, but only
introduce one food category at a time.
[26:33] So dairy, gluten, so forth, beans, grains, very
slowly, very slowly, and see how you do.
[26:40] And then and then your body will tell you.
[26:42] And there's a whole process in the book and in
our ten day detox online.
[26:46] It's 10daydetox.com.
[26:49] But there's all sorts of ways you can do it
with various levels of support.
[26:51] But it's important that you don't just go ahead
and go hog wild and have like, you know, pizza
[26:56] and all kinds of stuff.
[26:58] It's not not a good idea.
[26:59] Pizza with some ice cream for dessert.
[27:01] You don't recommend that then.
[27:04] Yeah, probably not a good idea.
[27:05] I mean, you can.
[27:06] But in a way, I'm not opposed to it because
just as stopping those foods make it clear how
[27:11] important food is to feel good, if you add
those foods back and you feel like crap, you
[27:16] go, oh, wow, food is causing me to feel like
crap.
[27:19] And then you make the connection.
[27:20] More people have no connection between what
they eat and how they feel.
[27:25] So really, the Tend to Detox diet is designed
to help people make that connection between
[27:31] what they eat and how they feel.
[27:32] And then you're empowered with the information.
[27:34] So, for example, I know if I have ice cream, my
stomach won't be happy.
[27:39] But I love ice cream.
[27:41] So I have ice cream occasionally.
[27:43] Do I have it every night?
[27:44] No.
[27:44] Do I have it every week?
[27:45] No.
[27:46] Do I occasionally have it?
[27:47] Yeah.
[27:48] So...
[27:48] And will I try to get, you know, a two
regenerative ice cream?
[27:53] Sure.
[27:53] But, like, you know, I think I think there
there are ways around it.
[27:56] But I think I think that, it's important to not
like live in a box, but also to know your body.
[28:02] So I know there's certain foods that I eat, I'm
in trouble.
[28:04] Okay.
[28:04] So every three days essentially is kind of like
the golden rule of reintroducing a food every
[28:09] three days, see how you feel, and go from
there.
[28:10] Yeah, keep a journal.
[28:11] The thing about it is though, when you have an
allergy, like a peanut allergy, you will know
[28:15] within minutes.
[28:17] Your tongue will swell up, you'll get a rash,
you'll get hives, whatever will happen, right?
[28:20] Anaphylaxis.
[28:22] That's an acute allergy.
[28:24] These are delayed food sensitivities.
[28:25] So you might eat, you know, an egg on Monday
and on Wednesday get a migraine.
[28:32] I had a patient who had intractable migraines
for years and years and years.
[28:38] We did her food sensitivity testing and she had
a bunch of stuff, but eggs lit up pretty high.
[28:42] I said, why don't you stop eggs?
[28:43] See how you do.
[28:44] She stopped eggs and her migraines went away.
[28:46] So she had her migraine come back.
[28:48] So it depends on who you are.
[28:50] Eggs are a great food.
[28:51] I love eggs.
[28:52] They're fine.
[28:52] But I had some this morning.
[28:53] But like you want to make sure they're good for
you.
[28:56] All right.
[28:57] So rapid fire round.
[28:59] Should people take supplements during the ten
day detox?
[29:01] Ideally, people do need some basic supplements
during detoxification because your body is
[29:06] working really hard.
[29:07] And so you wanna support all the pathways that
are involved in getting crap out of your body.
[29:12] Methylating vitamins, the b vitamins,
magnesium, and other basic nutrients, vitamin
[29:18] c, that help with detoxification.
[29:20] At the bare minimum, I recommend magnesium and
vitamin C.
[29:23] Vitamin C will help with inflammation,
detoxification, magnesium helps with
[29:26] constipation that sometimes happens, it can
move things through your body.
[29:29] It's extra electrolytes.
[29:30] I often recommend electrolytes along with it to
help prevent some of the the flu like feeling.
[29:36] People call it the keto flu, but it's it's not
it's not a keto diet, it can cause a similar
[29:41] syndrome.
[29:41] So electrolytes can be really helpful.
[29:44] But, you know, I I think there are a set of
supplements that I think are really helpful
[29:47] that I will add in, depending on what people's
preference are.
[29:50] But we provide a whole suite of supplements
along with the ten day detox if you want to
[29:56] help support the pathways that are required.
[29:58] And then you can continue it after the ten
days.
[30:00] Do you recommend that people practice fasting
while doing the detox?
[30:04] No, I don't actually.
[30:05] I think let's just clarify that.
[30:07] You know, people talk about time restricted
eating or overnight fasting.
[30:11] It ain't fasting.
[30:12] Look, if you eat dinner at six and you have
breakfast at eight, that's a fourteen hour
[30:16] fast.
[30:18] Okay.
[30:18] That's fasting.
[30:19] Okay.
[30:20] Then you should fast.
[30:21] Basically, you wanna give your body a time to
rest between dinner and breakfast.
[30:25] And fourteen hours is not hard to do.
[30:28] Sixteen hours is a little harder, but fourteen
hours is not hard to do.
[30:30] Would you say nothing longer than fourteen
hours, though, while doing the detox?
[30:34] Yeah, probably not.
[30:35] Because you you want to you want to have plenty
of food.
[30:37] You don't want to be hungry.
[30:38] You don't want be tired.
[30:39] And you want to eat.
[30:41] And again, you can eat an unlimited amount of
food and you won't gain weight.
[30:44] You'll lose weight.
[30:45] And it always sounds crazy, but the science is
so clear on this.
[30:48] My colleague David Ludwig at Harvard has
published on this over and over again.
[30:53] It's not important to focus on how much you
eat.
[30:55] It's important to focus on what you eat.
[30:58] And when you focus on the what, how much will
take care of itself.
[31:01] If you get a bag of Chips Ahoy cookies, you
could eat that whole bag.
[31:06] But if I gave you a bag of avocados, you would
never eat the entire bag.
[31:10] If I gave you a sheet cake, you could eat the
entire sheet cake.
[31:13] If I gave you 12 steaks, you could never eat 12
steaks.
[31:16] Your body knows how to regulate itself when you
eat real food.
[31:20] When you don't, it just, you know, the wheels
are off the bus.
[31:23] How often do you recommend an individual does
the ten day detox?
[31:27] I think once a quarter is a great reset.
[31:29] At least twice a year, but I think at least,
you know, at least twice a year, but once a
[31:32] quarter would be ideal.
[31:33] Like spring cleaning and fall cleaning.
[31:36] Perfect time of year.
[31:38] It's fall now, so it'd be great.
[31:40] What about exercise while doing the detox?
[31:42] I encourage people to walk and move.
[31:44] Yoga, movement, breath work, walking.
[31:46] I don't encourage people to go hog wild and do
heavy workouts.
[31:50] People are gonna be tired, the first few days.
[31:53] I would say not much.
[31:54] Like walking is important to mobilize lymph
fluid.
[31:57] Hot baths are important.
[31:58] Massage is great.
[32:00] You know, stretching, yoga, breath work, all
that's fine.
[32:03] But but vigorous exercise, probably best to
avoid for at least the first three to five
[32:06] days.
[32:07] What about our vegetarians and vegans?
[32:09] Can they do the ten day detox?
[32:11] And also, how do they ensure that they're
getting their protein intake?
[32:14] That's true.
[32:15] It's harder.
[32:16] Tofu and tempeh, even though they're beans, I
kind of will allow them because there's no
[32:23] other way to do it.
[32:24] So I think it's important that people at least
try.
[32:27] If people are reacting to soy, it's a problem.
[32:29] But no, no, it's a smaller percentage are
reacting to soy than are reacting to gluten or
[32:34] dairy or these other foods.
[32:36] So I think that's another way to do it.
[32:37] Nuts, seeds, and and and and tofu and tempeh.
[32:42] Those are concentrated sources of highly
digestible, sometimes pre fermented soybeans
[32:49] that have been around for thousands of years.
[32:51] What about saunas during the detox?
[32:54] Do you recommend people going to try and sweat
more to detoxify during this?
[32:58] I do.
[32:58] I encourage people to kind of move their
bodies.
[33:01] Like I said, yoga, massage, sweating, great.
[33:03] I think make sure you hydrate, make sure you
have plenty of electrolytes, and don't overdo
[33:08] it.
[33:08] But definitely can be a real helpful tool.
[33:10] And
[33:10] how,
[33:11] this might be a silly question, but how do I
[33:13] know if
[33:13] the detox is actually working while I'm in the
middle of it?
[33:16] You'll feel better.
[33:17] Then you fill out the questionnaire of the
medical symptom questionnaire day one, and then
[33:22] you can fill it out day five and day 10.
[33:25] You know, day one you wanna report on the last
thirty days, day five or 10 you wanna do the
[33:30] last forty eight hours.
[33:31] And you will see by your numbers and people go,
I don't know.
[33:35] I didn't feel any different.
[33:36] Like, yeah, your score went down by 70%.
[33:38] Like, you do feel better.
[33:40] And people are funny.
[33:41] Like, I I...
[33:42] I'm like, because I have you with my patients.
[33:44] They, you know, they don't...
[33:45] They forget how bad they felt.
[33:46] So I have you all filled these questionnaires
every time they see me, and they're like, I
[33:50] don't know.
[33:50] It's not working.
[33:50] I'm like, well, you were a 120, and now you're
32 on your score, so something's working.
[33:56] You know?
[33:56] It's funny how our brain can do that.
[33:57] Right?
[33:58] Selective memory.
[33:59] If I was to feel dramatically different after
the ten day detox, I'm feeling great after it.
[34:05] What is that actually telling me?
[34:07] It's telling you that some of the foods you're
eating are affecting your immune system, your
[34:11] hormones, your gut microbiome in ways that your
body doesn't like.
[34:15] And so that's information.
[34:16] It's news.
[34:17] It's like, it's a news report on your body
That's the fastest way to understand what's
[34:22] happening.
[34:22] And again, said, you you can do all the
diagnostic tests you want, you can do
[34:26] everything you need.
[34:27] If I had one test and one treatment and I was
stranded on Desert Island and that was the only
[34:32] thing I could choose to do to treat my
patients, it would be the ten day detox, both
[34:37] as a diagnostic and a therapeutic.
[34:39] There's no better test and no better treatment
for chronic disease.
[34:42] I love that.
[34:43] I feel like that's a really good place to leave
it.
[34:46] Thank you,
[34:46] Mark.
[34:46] My pleasure.
[34:47] And thanks for joining us today on Office
Hours, and we'll see you next time.
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