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[0:19] Hello.
[0:22] Good morning. Good afternoon. Good
[0:25] evening.
[0:30] Just
[0:32] pulling up something right here.
[0:36] >> [clears throat]
[0:39] >> Great.
[0:41] Excited to be here with you all today.
[0:44] How is everybody doing?
[0:47] Um
[0:49] we are going to be talking about a topic
[0:52] very near and dear to my heart
[0:55] because of its impact on me personally
[0:58] as well as the clients that I work with.
[1:02] And that concept is called self
[1:04] gaslighting.
[1:06] So, we will be diving into that very
[1:10] shortly.
[1:11] And I'd like to start out by just
[1:16] connecting here in the space with you
[1:18] all.
[1:19] Welcoming you.
[1:21] Um if you care to give an emoji in your
[1:24] in the chat of your current mood, you
[1:27] can do that. Or if you're new and you'd
[1:28] like to
[1:30] say where you're joining from,
[1:33] you're welcome to do that as well.
[1:40] And how
[1:42] how are you?
[1:43] How are you doing?
[1:47] It's been a very intense time
[1:50] astrologically.
[1:52] If you tune into that or not
[1:55] and you believe in astrological
[1:57] influences,
[1:59] it's definitely happening. So,
[2:02] I know for me it has been a very intense
[2:06] 24 hours with what's been going on
[2:10] in the sky
[2:11] and and you know, it directly relates to
[2:15] gaslighting or self-gaslighting. So, I'm
[2:18] excited to
[2:20] bring in my own experiences
[2:23] to help you all
[2:25] understand how this may show up for you
[2:27] in your life
[2:29] as well as if you do see this pattern,
[2:32] then then what? What do you do about it?
[2:36] Um
[2:37] if you are new to me, I'm Natalie,
[2:39] spiritual life coach and Reiki Master
[2:41] Teacher.
[2:44] And you can give me a follow here on
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[2:50] follow me, thank you. If you don't and
[2:52] you choose to, thank you as well.
[2:56] Um I will go ahead and share I have my
[2:59] first Insight Timer course
[3:02] um published recently.
[3:06] Although I've been talking about
[3:07] self-gaslighting for a few years now,
[3:11] I now have
[3:13] um this course you can see popping up on
[3:15] the screen called The End of
[3:17] Self-Gaslighting, which is also the
[3:19] title of our live stream.
[3:21] So, if you want to dive deeper
[3:24] into this concept,
[3:26] um you can check out the course if
[3:29] you're a premium member.
[3:31] Um
[3:33] so, thank you for listening, taking the
[3:37] course, engaging with it,
[3:40] giving a rating, and sharing it
[3:43] with others if it's helpful. So,
[3:46] hi Chanders. Hope I'm saying that right
[3:50] from Cam- Cambridge. Hope I'm saying
[3:52] that right.
[3:55] And welcome. Thank you for
[3:57] being honest and vulnerable
[4:00] and sharing
[4:01] >> [snorts]
[4:01] >> and that you're here to learn. So, I
[4:03] know this will be valuable for you.
[4:06] Hi Jen. Hi Chris from Louisiana.
[4:10] Um
[4:13] Yeah. So, if you are, as I said, a
[4:16] premium Insight Timer member, you can
[4:18] access that course.
[4:20] If not, this live stream will be great.
[4:22] I also have a PDF resource I have
[4:25] created
[4:27] um about the topics we'll be talking
[4:29] about today and the ways to work with
[4:32] self-gaslighting if you see it.
[4:35] And that's a free resource I provide.
[4:37] So, if you would like that PDF, send me
[4:40] a private message and just say PDF and
[4:43] I'll know what you're talking about.
[4:45] Um
[4:47] And you can do so here through the app.
[4:50] I'm also streaming this on my YouTube
[4:52] channel right now, so you can catch the
[4:54] replay as well as all my replays there
[4:56] if you would like.
[4:57] And all of my info, all my socials and
[5:01] ways to connect are here in my profile
[5:04] in the link tree. So,
[5:09] we will go ahead and get started.
[5:12] So, I want to ask everybody first,
[5:16] um do you understand what gaslighting
[5:21] means?
[5:22] Because
[5:24] if, you know, you need to know what
[5:26] gaslighting means in order to then know
[5:29] what self-gaslighting means.
[5:32] And there's no, it's not a quiz. It's
[5:35] not a, you know,
[5:38] you should know.
[5:39] Um
[5:41] Yeah. So, thank you, Chanders, for being
[5:44] brave enough to say
[5:46] that you know a little.
[5:48] Um
[5:50] And yes, Chris quest- questioning or
[5:53] doubting your own reality. So,
[5:56] uh traditionally this this term has come
[5:59] up in the recent past around narcissism,
[6:03] narcissistic
[6:05] abuse.
[6:06] Uh that that is a very common
[6:10] um symptom or
[6:13] way that narcissists abuse is by
[6:17] gaslighting their victims.
[6:20] Which is, as Chris is saying,
[6:22] questioning or
[6:25] making somebody else question or doubt
[6:27] their own reality.
[6:29] In in just pure gaslighting.
[6:32] Um so, then when we turn it
[6:36] to ourselves, if we look at what does it
[6:38] mean to gaslight ourselves,
[6:41] the very simple meaning is
[6:45] is that we
[6:48] do not allow our feelings to be okay or
[6:53] valid.
[6:55] Um
[6:57] for me, I had a very big spiritual
[7:01] awakening experience, like a sudden
[7:06] aha and spiritual moment
[7:10] in my own life about seeing
[7:14] self-gaslighting for the first time. So,
[7:17] it started um
[7:20] when I was in a coaching session, when I
[7:22] was receiving coaching from my coach.
[7:24] So, I was the client
[7:27] in the session with my coach.
[7:30] I don't remember how, but he was like,
[7:32] "Do you see you're gaslighting yourself?
[7:35] Do you see you're making yourself wrong
[7:38] for your reactions and how you feel?"
[7:41] And he explained it to me and I had
[7:43] never seen this
[7:45] in my life and that's actually part of
[7:47] why coaching is so powerful
[7:50] is because, [snorts]
[7:51] you know, and for me as a coach, my job
[7:54] is to help other people and my clients
[7:56] see blind spots.
[7:58] Blind spots are things we don't see that
[8:01] run us.
[8:03] If it's a blind spot, you don't know
[8:05] it's there.
[8:07] So, I had this blind spot and I mean
[8:10] I've been on this growth journey for my
[8:14] whole life since I was
[8:17] 16 years old.
[8:20] So, you know, my ego likes to think,
[8:23] "Oh, I know myself. I know my patterns.
[8:25] I know everything." No, I don't and I
[8:28] didn't.
[8:31] So, he explained what it meant, you
[8:33] know, that I was just making myself
[8:36] wrong for how I felt all the damn time.
[8:40] It was a sea in which I swam.
[8:44] And
[8:45] a week or so after we had this very
[8:47] powerful coaching session where we dove
[8:50] into this,
[8:52] I woke up in the morning.
[8:55] I was having an issue with a
[8:57] relationship.
[8:59] I was feeling upset.
[9:02] I was feeling hurt, but it was like
[9:04] underneath the surface and I went to sit
[9:07] in my chair for my morning meditation.
[9:11] And I sat down and I could feel tension
[9:14] in my body, but I just was like, "I'm
[9:15] meditating. The point of meditation is
[9:18] to, you know,
[9:20] uh be at peace, be at one with whatever
[9:23] I'm feeling and accept and be present
[9:25] and notice my thoughts and you know, be
[9:29] the witness and the observer and and all
[9:31] of the things that we know, you know,
[9:33] meditation can guide us with and
[9:37] >> [snorts]
[9:39] >> I suddenly had a moment where I was
[9:41] like, "Oh my god, I'm gaslighting myself
[9:44] right now."
[9:46] Because I was
[9:49] not letting it be okay that I was upset
[9:52] and I was trying to
[9:54] spiritually bypass what I was feeling
[9:58] with meditation. And And this was all
[10:00] underneath the surface. I wasn't doing
[10:03] it consciously.
[10:05] And this is the power of
[10:08] you know,
[10:09] learning this. And so the minute I was
[10:12] like, "Oh my god,
[10:14] I'm making myself wrong for how I feel
[10:17] right now.
[10:18] I'm not letting it be okay that I feel
[10:20] really upset
[10:22] and hurt and it's 8:00 a.m. in the
[10:25] morning and I'm trying to meditate."
[10:29] And the minute I realized it, I just
[10:31] burst into tears and all of that tension
[10:34] in my chest, in my heart,
[10:37] it was like this
[10:39] pressure cooker that was released.
[10:43] And I just was allowed myself to feel
[10:45] what I was feeling. And I was like, "Oh
[10:48] my god, this was a huge awakening
[10:50] moment. That was self-gaslighting at
[10:53] work."
[10:55] And exactly Chandra, so you know, we're
[10:58] going to look into where does this all
[11:01] come from? Where does it start?
[11:03] Um
[11:05] why do we do it? Why do we have it?
[11:10] Ah, let me get my screen fixed here.
[11:15] Um
[11:17] so who all can relate to
[11:21] something like that or maybe
[11:24] maybe
[11:25] it's just a general way you move through
[11:27] the world.
[11:29] Um
[11:33] And you know, that was almost 2 years
[11:35] ago. And since then, I have been on a
[11:38] journey of
[11:40] releasing this habit of self-gaslighting
[11:44] and embracing the medicine of
[11:46] self-compassion and [snorts] acceptance.
[11:49] And it's a journey.
[11:51] Um as I was mentioning a few moments
[11:54] ago, you know, the astrology transits
[11:57] right now, there's a lot going on in the
[11:58] sky if you know, if you resonate with
[12:01] that.
[12:03] I do.
[12:06] And
[12:09] I had an experience yesterday with
[12:11] somebody who
[12:14] didn't communicate well.
[12:17] And
[12:19] um
[12:20] I was a bit disappointed and frustrated
[12:22] in the
[12:24] how they were and were not
[12:26] communicating.
[12:29] And like it was around
[12:32] you know, an agreement we had made.
[12:36] And I I
[12:37] it wasn't a huge deal. I just got to
[12:40] share my standards.
[12:43] And that you know,
[12:44] >> [snorts]
[12:45] >> I that's not the way I operate as far as
[12:47] making plans, etc.
[12:49] And I felt a little disappointed. I felt
[12:51] a little frustrated.
[12:53] And then this person
[12:55] asked to have a phone call later
[12:59] to like talk more about it.
[13:02] Um
[13:04] and we agreed on a time. And guess what?
[13:06] The time came and went.
[13:09] The call didn't happen.
[13:12] And at this point, I was
[13:14] furious. I was enraged.
[13:18] I was so angry.
[13:21] Now,
[13:23] one of the things I know
[13:26] on this journey that the you know, we're
[13:28] all on here
[13:30] is if it's hysterical, it's historical.
[13:35] And I was And that's like it doesn't
[13:36] mean hysterical, but
[13:40] if my reaction is out of proportion to
[13:43] the event,
[13:45] likely it doesn't just have to do with
[13:48] the event itself, right? And so I have
[13:51] had many other situations
[13:54] where there's been the same dynamic.
[13:57] Um and so yes, there was some charge
[14:01] with this situation and
[14:04] the anger, the level of anger that I
[14:06] felt was out of proportion to
[14:09] the experience.
[14:11] Um
[14:14] and to where I woke up in the middle of
[14:16] the night angry. I don't I can't ever
[14:19] remember feeling
[14:22] anger
[14:24] in the middle of the night.
[14:27] And so
[14:28] bringing self gaslighting back into
[14:31] this, having a lifetime pattern
[14:34] of making myself wrong for how I feel,
[14:37] you can guess that
[14:40] you know, I was gaslighting myself all
[14:42] over the place. I'm overreacting. I'm
[14:44] doubting myself. I I shouldn't have
[14:47] said my standards. I
[14:49] I'm [snorts] too upset. I'm I'm too
[14:52] angry.
[14:55] I'm too much.
[14:57] There's something wrong. What's wrong?
[15:00] I shouldn't be so angry. All of these
[15:02] things. So how many of you can relate to
[15:04] having
[15:05] those sorts of thoughts with I mean it
[15:08] doesn't have to be anger.
[15:10] It can be anything. It can even be
[15:13] happiness. It could even be joy.
[15:17] So there was this propensity to really
[15:21] second-guess, doubt myself,
[15:25] make myself wrong for how I feel.
[15:30] And that's exactly what was happening.
[15:34] So,
[15:36] it's like the awareness is the first
[15:38] step of making a change and
[15:41] even the awareness isn't necessarily
[15:45] like this magical thing that's going to
[15:49] uh totally dissolve [snorts] the
[15:51] pattern, right? We we just get to work
[15:54] with it every situation, every time.
[15:59] And you know, I actually didn't even
[16:02] think about the self-gaslighting until
[16:05] maybe even this morning or
[16:08] it was more like
[16:11] why am I so angry?
[16:13] What's wrong? You know, like this
[16:15] analysis paralysis that happens, which
[16:19] you know, can be also a form of
[16:21] self-gaslighting.
[16:25] And yes, boundaries are important. I'm
[16:27] not
[16:28] I'm not talking about
[16:31] not setting a boundary.
[16:34] I'm saying, what is my internal response
[16:38] to
[16:40] any situation where the self-gaslighting
[16:42] might come up?
[16:45] You know, I did I didn't
[16:48] like in my actions to the person, I was
[16:51] totally fine. It was I mean, I expressed
[16:53] [snorts]
[16:54] my disappointment,
[16:56] you know. It was more everything
[16:58] [snorts]
[16:59] that was going on over here
[17:03] that I was making myself wrong for and
[17:06] questioning myself.
[17:11] So, I wonder for you all
[17:15] if you can relate to this pattern.
[17:19] What phrases might come up for you
[17:23] in self-gaslighting?
[17:27] You know, like for me it was I'm
[17:29] overreacting.
[17:32] You know, there's something something
[17:33] wrong with me.
[17:35] Like
[17:37] I'm too up. I don't know,
[17:39] whatever.
[17:40] >> [laughter]
[17:43] >> Um
[17:45] Yeah, so if you can start thinking about
[17:48] what are the phrases,
[17:51] then you can start waking up in the
[17:54] dream.
[17:57] Cuz it's just old conditioning. So,
[18:00] where does this all come from?
[18:03] It was already
[18:05] mentioned in [clears throat] the chat
[18:06] about childhood trauma. Yes.
[18:10] That's where everything comes from,
[18:12] right?
[18:13] >> [laughter]
[18:14] >> So,
[18:15] in childhood, if you were told
[18:19] "Stop crying, sit in the corner, go to
[18:21] your room, you're too much."
[18:26] You know, when your feelings were not
[18:28] okay, you cried too much, you laughed
[18:30] too much, you were too angry, whatever.
[18:35] Anything where you were
[18:37] being
[18:39] told you were too much.
[18:44] So, you were being made wrong for how
[18:46] you feel.
[18:48] And then of course, we learn that and
[18:51] then we turn on ourselves.
[18:56] The other thing we do is
[18:59] um
[19:02] you know,
[19:03] as children
[19:06] we have to do whatever we need to do to
[19:09] stay safe or keep the connection to our
[19:11] primary caregivers intact.
[19:15] So, that means
[19:17] you know,
[19:19] trying to keep the peace.
[19:22] And usually that will mean
[19:25] well, you know, my parents, they can't
[19:28] be the ones that are wrong.
[19:31] You know, that's impossible because when
[19:33] you're a kid, they are the authority.
[19:36] They are basically God.
[19:39] So, it's impossible for them to be wrong
[19:43] in our little minds.
[19:47] So, then we make ourselves wrong.
[19:51] And then before when we might have spoke
[19:54] up or rebelled,
[19:57] we were punished.
[20:03] So, that's where some of these dynamics
[20:07] come from.
[20:15] Totally, Chris. And that's what I
[20:17] noticed with this anger example. I mean,
[20:20] I was allowing myself to feel it and
[20:23] because it was so intense,
[20:26] I I also was like,
[20:30] yeah, why is this happening? Why am I at
[20:32] why what's wrong with me?
[20:35] etc.
[20:36] All of that.
[20:39] Hi, Gail. Teresa.
[20:44] Yeah, so any any time where we we didn't
[20:47] feel safe in childhood,
[20:49] in whatever way,
[20:52] we were invalidated,
[20:54] we were not celebrated,
[20:57] um
[20:59] and you know, of course, as always when
[21:02] we look at and think about childhood
[21:05] trauma and abuse dynamics, It's not
[21:08] about condoning,
[21:10] you know,
[21:12] abusers or whatever.
[21:15] Um
[21:17] and I mean, it it
[21:20] 99% of the time I would say it does not
[21:24] start with, you know,
[21:26] with us.
[21:28] It's generational. It's ancestral.
[21:31] You know, things are learned.
[21:35] And, you know, here we are in Insight
[21:37] Timer, all of us here, and we are cycle
[21:40] breakers, and we are
[21:42] here
[21:44] to wake up and break the patterns that
[21:46] have gone on so long. So, I acknowledge
[21:49] all of you for being here.
[21:52] You know, as we know, it's not easy.
[21:56] And it's worth it.
[21:57] I believe we incarnated to do this work
[22:00] right now.
[22:02] So, I acknowledge each of you.
[22:06] Mhm.
[22:10] So, I mentioned this earlier, spiritual
[22:12] bypassing.
[22:14] So, does anybody not know what that term
[22:16] means? Cuz it it kind of fits in
[22:21] the realm
[22:23] of self-gaslighting, and it's also a
[22:26] little bit of a different way
[22:29] uh
[22:30] to see it.
[22:36] So, um
[22:39] does any Okay, great. Thank you, Teresa.
[22:42] Spiritual bypassing, and and this is a
[22:45] term in our wonderful spiritual circles
[22:47] here in Insight Timer or out in the
[22:49] world. Um this term gets used a lot
[22:53] with, you know, good reason, because we
[22:56] are here in a spiritual journey and path
[22:59] together.
[23:02] So, spiritual bypassing is sort of where
[23:05] we self-gaslight
[23:07] ourselves.
[23:10] But, we put a spiritual
[23:12] bent on on it.
[23:16] Um
[23:20] Let me think of a way.
[23:24] You know, maybe uh like this person that
[23:27] I got angry and everything that I'm
[23:29] talking about, right? If I were to be
[23:31] like
[23:33] you know, oh, just love and light, you
[23:35] know, oh, bless their heart, and
[23:39] um you know, maybe it was karmic. Maybe
[23:43] it [laughter] was from a past life. So,
[23:46] you know, so it's okay or I shouldn't be
[23:48] upset and
[23:50] you know, I just need to be positive.
[23:52] Like
[23:54] something like that
[23:56] would be an example of spiritual
[23:58] bypassing or you could even say
[24:00] spiritual whitewashing.
[24:04] And really, if you think about it,
[24:07] that's self-gaslighting.
[24:10] And it doesn't mean that we don't want
[24:12] to,
[24:13] you know,
[24:15] think of other people with kindness and
[24:16] love and all of those good things. And
[24:19] if we're doing it
[24:21] in this way to invalidate our experience
[24:24] and ourselves, that's spiritual
[24:27] bypassing.
[24:30] Um I have a friend.
[24:33] And you know, a lot of people don't even
[24:34] know they're doing it. And this can also
[24:37] happen in
[24:39] dynamics with spiritual groups or
[24:41] spiritual friends that have similar
[24:44] beliefs.
[24:46] Like um I have a friend and and she she
[24:50] doesn't even know she's doing it.
[24:53] You know, how many of you know people
[24:55] where they just give advice
[24:59] and they
[25:01] they just that's their that's the way
[25:03] they relate, that's the way they respond
[25:06] when you don't even ask for it.
[25:10] Um
[25:12] yeah, so I know I was talking to this
[25:13] person
[25:15] in the recent past
[25:17] and I was sharing [snorts] a challenge
[25:19] of some kind. I don't remember what, but
[25:21] what I do remember is is they started
[25:24] the spiritual bypassing on me.
[25:27] Of like, oh, you know, you just need to
[25:29] shift your mindset and
[25:32] you know
[25:34] you need to think positive and
[25:37] and again, not to say
[25:40] that advice and that might that's not
[25:42] helpful, it's just, you know, in this
[25:45] context where I wasn't asking for it.
[25:48] And I really just wanted to be witnessed
[25:50] and
[25:51] held space for.
[25:54] Right? And and somebody
[25:57] you know, comes in with
[25:59] unsolicited advice and then put putting
[26:02] like spiritual clothing on it. So that's
[26:04] another way that can show up.
[26:09] So I'm curious what this brings up for
[26:13] everybody. If you're thinking of things
[26:15] where you can relate.
[26:19] Teresa, feeling that God is rejecting
[26:22] you from spiritual abuse. That sounds
[26:25] really challenging. I'm sorry
[26:29] that
[26:30] that has happened.
[26:33] Um
[26:36] and yeah, that's a a really interesting
[26:38] point, too, about bringing up you know,
[26:41] a belief or a sense that God is
[26:44] rejecting you.
[26:46] Um
[26:48] which is sort of a bit outside of like a
[26:51] self-gaslighting
[26:53] sort of.
[26:55] Um
[26:57] but also,
[26:59] you know, it can be relevant.
[27:02] I read something recently about it was
[27:07] I'm probably going to botch it, but
[27:08] something like
[27:10] um
[27:14] however like however you experience your
[27:18] relationship with your higher power
[27:21] or what you think
[27:24] your higher power thinks of you, vice
[27:26] versa, is really how you think and feel
[27:28] about yourself.
[27:31] And I found that a really compelling
[27:34] concept. I'm not I just feel like it's
[27:36] something to just kind of sit with and
[27:39] feel into,
[27:41] but it landed as very interesting and
[27:44] possibly true.
[27:47] Um
[27:48] Hi, Jed.
[27:51] Yeah, you know, advice giving
[27:55] that's also another
[27:57] >> [laughter]
[27:57] >> another hot topic.
[28:00] Um
[28:01] yeah, one of
[28:03] I heard this quote about advice recently
[28:08] that was
[28:10] um
[28:11] unsolicited advice is criticism.
[28:17] And was like, "Ooh, that hit."
[28:21] Um
[28:22] cuz if it's not asked for, right?
[28:26] So, you know, me being a life coach, I
[28:29] am very aware both in sessions with my
[28:32] clients
[28:34] and in friendships or whatever
[28:37] of really just showing up in
[28:40] with in whatever context it's it's in.
[28:45] And and not just jumping to helping,
[28:49] etc.
[28:52] Um
[28:54] You know, it can be the the best thing
[28:56] can be like, "How can I support you?
[28:59] What
[29:00] What are you wanting from me right now?"
[29:02] Or what it like with a friend who was
[29:04] always giving this spiritual advice, you
[29:08] know, it would have been great if she
[29:10] would have said,
[29:11] "Yeah, that sounds difficult. Like,
[29:15] are you just wanting to vent or talk
[29:17] about it? Or are you wanting
[29:20] to think in solutions?" You know, things
[29:22] like that. Those sorts of questions can
[29:24] be
[29:25] very supportive and helpful. So.
[29:30] Um
[29:32] Yeah.
[29:38] So, okay.
[29:41] I'm curious from everyone,
[29:44] do you have a sense now if if this is a
[29:47] new concept for you?
[29:51] Can you see where it could be showing up
[29:54] in your life?
[29:57] Um because that's the first step.
[30:00] Right? Bringing it from the unconscious
[30:03] to the conscious.
[30:06] Being aware of it in in in its essence.
[30:08] And if you take my course here on
[30:10] Insight Timer, The End of
[30:11] Self-Gaslighting, it's 7 days, about 10
[30:14] minutes a day, you'll dive deeply in.
[30:18] Um
[30:23] And, you know, I want to make sure that
[30:26] everybody
[30:28] has at least a sense of this for
[30:30] themselves.
[30:31] Because we don't know what we don't
[30:34] know.
[30:35] And if we don't know
[30:38] that we're doing this, then we can't see
[30:40] it. And honestly, I would say
[30:43] 99% of people do this.
[30:48] So.
[30:54] Yeah, I hear that, Jed, about advice.
[30:58] And yeah, it's not like okay, the
[31:01] somebody's intention is likely good and
[31:05] if it's unasked for and unsolicited,
[31:07] they are forcing
[31:10] themselves into, you know,
[31:13] what you're saying
[31:18] without being asked.
[31:22] So, yeah, something interesting to
[31:25] consider.
[31:27] So, even if it is like,
[31:30] you know, oh, my friend's wonderful
[31:32] spiritual advice, it's all positive,
[31:36] but if I wasn't asking for it,
[31:40] it can come across as criticism.
[31:44] Yeah.
[31:46] Chandra says, "Hurt yourself to please
[31:48] others."
[31:50] That's interesting to notice.
[31:53] Yeah, so
[31:56] self-gaslighting and self-judgment,
[31:59] you know, are two sides of the same
[32:01] coin.
[32:03] Right?
[32:04] And when we think about where we judge
[32:07] ourselves,
[32:10] to me, self-judgment will always find
[32:13] something to land on. So, if if say I'm
[32:16] like,
[32:17] "It's okay that I feel this way. I'm not
[32:20] wrong." Like, if I'm working [snorts]
[32:22] with releasing self-gaslighting,
[32:26] it self-judgment can then jump to
[32:30] something else.
[32:33] Like,
[32:34] you know, "I'm too much." Or, "What's
[32:37] wrong with me or
[32:39] you know, so it we have to keep working
[32:42] with it and moving with it and forgiving
[32:45] ourselves, self-compassion and
[32:47] forgiveness,
[32:48] self-validation,
[32:52] you know, to the nth degree.
[32:56] If that makes sense.
[33:02] So,
[33:07] I wonder for you all
[33:13] what emotion or what situation
[33:17] stands out for you where you notice this
[33:19] dynamic
[33:21] the most or just at all if this is your
[33:24] first time
[33:27] considering this.
[33:30] Um for me, you know, anger is a big one.
[33:35] Um because I grew up in a household
[33:38] where it wasn't okay for anyone to be
[33:41] angry but my mother. My mother was the
[33:43] only one who was allowed to be angry.
[33:46] Um so,
[33:49] it was definitely not okay for me to
[33:51] ever be angry.
[33:52] >> [snorts]
[33:53] >> And how many of you can relate to
[33:56] having the thought, "I never get angry.
[33:59] I don't have a problem with anger."
[34:02] Well, the reason
[34:04] that happens is because you learned that
[34:06] in childhood just like me.
[34:10] And you learned that it was not safe to
[34:12] feel anger. So, then we just stuff it
[34:14] down so far that
[34:17] we just don't even have that response
[34:19] anymore.
[34:22] So,
[34:24] when you start allowing yourself to
[34:26] feel,
[34:29] you know, which is what I was saying
[34:30] about this experience, this example I
[34:33] gave earlier and like
[34:36] there was
[34:37] a lot of anger in response to the
[34:39] situation. And as I said, if it's
[34:42] hysterical, it's historical.
[34:45] So when the feelings come up, a lot of
[34:48] times they will be
[34:50] bigger than the situation because
[34:52] there's been decades of
[34:54] you know, not allowing yourself to feel.
[34:58] And it's usually anger for for most of
[35:00] us
[35:01] in these spiritual
[35:04] realms together.
[35:10] Yeah, and Chanders, that's a good point.
[35:12] You know, if somebody else gets mad, we
[35:15] make ourselves wrong, we make ourselves
[35:17] responsible for their anger. I mean,
[35:19] that's childhood right there, right?
[35:25] Yeah,
[35:26] that really makes sense.
[35:30] So, you know,
[35:33] we want to first like
[35:37] yes, we can talk about the external
[35:40] world and out here.
[35:43] And when we're talking about
[35:45] self-gaslighting, it's really what's
[35:47] going on in our inner experience.
[35:51] First.
[35:55] So, something happens or I have a
[35:58] thought
[36:00] and then I make myself wrong for it.
[36:03] That's really it in its simplest
[36:05] essence.
[36:07] I shouldn't feel this way.
[36:13] I'm too upset. I'm too angry. I'm too
[36:15] much. I'm too this or that.
[36:19] Or maybe something happens and you don't
[36:22] have a reaction that you think you
[36:23] should have. Could be either way.
[36:28] Hey Ginger.
[36:31] Yes, it is. Wonderful Teresa.
[36:36] Um
[36:38] It is It's working with with right here.
[36:42] What's right in here.
[36:46] So, not abandoning ourselves and not
[36:50] rejecting ourselves
[36:52] when
[36:53] we have a feeling, when we have a
[36:56] reaction, when we have a response.
[37:00] So, the medicine for this
[37:03] of course, it's compassion and
[37:06] what I have
[37:08] found are these phrases that are
[37:11] medicine. They are true medicine. And
[37:14] they're so simple and they're so
[37:16] profound. And like I said in the PDF
[37:19] um resource that I have
[37:22] I have these phrases listed.
[37:25] So, you can um send me a message. Just
[37:28] say PDF and
[37:30] I'll get it to you.
[37:35] But, my favorite one is it makes sense
[37:37] you feel this way.
[37:40] It makes sense you or I You're talking
[37:44] to yourself, right? It makes sense you
[37:47] feel this way. I suggest putting your
[37:49] hand on your heart. Putting your hand on
[37:51] your heart does
[37:53] something physiological in the body. It
[37:57] releases oxytocin.
[38:02] Doing this for 15 seconds.
[38:05] So, you know, we want to bring our
[38:07] nervous system
[38:09] into balance.
[38:12] So, it makes sense you feel this way.
[38:20] So, if you think think about a situation
[38:22] right now and you want to do this with
[38:24] me and you notice there's a making
[38:26] yourself wrong theme going on.
[38:33] It makes sense you feel this way.
[38:36] It's totally understandable.
[38:40] Of course, of course you would feel this
[38:42] way given the situation, given
[38:46] everything.
[38:49] So, it's these deep, simple, and
[38:51] profound self-validation phrases. We did
[38:55] not receive these in childhood
[38:59] at some point or at many points.
[39:02] So, we get to re-parent ourselves and do
[39:05] this for ourself.
[39:08] I was in a session with a coaching
[39:09] client in the past week.
[39:12] They were very distressed. They were
[39:15] extremely
[39:17] They were in in so much suffering. They
[39:19] were It was It was really, you know,
[39:22] heart-rending
[39:25] to
[39:26] you know, see the suffering that
[39:28] this person was in.
[39:31] And, you know,
[39:34] so we I brought them into presence, into
[39:39] the body. We
[39:41] got into the moment. We got out of the
[39:43] thinking.
[39:45] And I
[39:47] took them through these phrases and had
[39:49] them put their hand on their heart.
[39:52] And I just had them receive
[39:56] these phrases.
[39:58] It makes sense you feel this way.
[40:02] Given your situation, given everything
[40:04] you've been through, given your life,
[40:06] given your childhood,
[40:08] given your trauma, given your abuse.
[40:12] Of course, you would feel this way given
[40:15] all everything, given all of this.
[40:20] And then I said some more compassion
[40:23] phrases.
[40:25] And I swear we did this for 3 minutes,
[40:29] maybe five.
[40:32] At the end of that time, so I had them
[40:34] rate their level of intensity from one
[40:36] to 10.
[40:39] So, before we started, their level of
[40:42] suffering and disease
[40:46] and
[40:47] level of like being triggered and
[40:50] really, really upset. They were a nine.
[40:53] They were
[40:54] a nine out of 10.
[40:56] After 3 to 5 minutes of doing what I
[40:59] said, they were a four.
[41:03] So, just that in itself shows the power
[41:06] of this.
[41:08] In 3 to 5 minutes,
[41:11] over half, 50% decrease.
[41:16] I mean, this person was having suicidal
[41:18] thoughts. I mean, it was very
[41:20] serious.
[41:23] Yeah, so
[41:26] you know, we can do this for ourselves.
[41:28] Of course, we can do it in sacred space
[41:31] with
[41:33] people who care, like me,
[41:35] and other wonderful practitioners.
[41:40] So, yeah, it was a very profound
[41:43] experience and they got to experience
[41:46] like, okay, wow. You know, before the
[41:49] session, they had been crying all
[41:50] morning.
[41:53] And
[41:55] you know, we
[41:57] brought them into equili- equilibrium
[41:59] with this process.
[42:02] And there was other things besides
[42:03] self-gaslighting going on and
[42:07] you know, part of the suffering is I
[42:09] shouldn't be feeling this way and
[42:10] resisting our experience.
[42:14] So,
[42:16] you can practice with yourself.
[42:19] But, just first start noticing
[42:23] because for me, like I said, it was
[42:25] subconscious.
[42:27] It was like something would happen or I
[42:30] would think something, then I would have
[42:32] a judgement on myself, and there would
[42:34] be a very slight contraction in my body,
[42:37] a tightening, a heaviness, or an
[42:40] opposing
[42:42] an opposing of
[42:44] myself or the situation.
[42:47] So, it was subtle at times.
[42:50] And then,
[42:52] now I've learned what it is and how to
[42:55] work with it. It's like, ah,
[42:58] I'm making myself wrong for how I feel.
[43:00] And then, it's easy to be like, oh God,
[43:02] I'm doing this all the time. Like, and
[43:04] then that's where the judgement just
[43:05] keeps
[43:07] going to the next thing. It's like,
[43:09] sweetie, it's okay. It makes sense.
[43:13] It makes sense you feel this feel this
[43:15] way.
[43:17] One of my other favorite phrases is,
[43:19] tell me all about it. Tell me all about
[43:22] it because
[43:24] what happens is, we want to feel better
[43:27] and we want it to go away and we want to
[43:29] solve it
[43:31] very quickly because we don't like how
[43:33] it feels. It's not comfortable in here
[43:37] when we're contracted and we're tight
[43:39] and we're heavy and we're constricted
[43:42] and we're
[43:44] heat, heart racing, all of the
[43:46] sensations associated with challenging
[43:49] emotions. They don't feel good. We want
[43:51] them to go away. We're freaking human.
[43:56] But, if we
[43:58] come into this practice with, I want to
[44:01] get rid of it, it actually makes it
[44:03] harder.
[44:06] So, this is like intermediate advanced
[44:09] level
[44:11] work
[44:13] at times.
[44:15] So, it's like
[44:17] I'm not wrong for how I feel. It makes
[44:20] sense. It's okay.
[44:22] Tell me all about it, sweetie.
[44:26] And, you know, you could look at this
[44:28] through the lens of inner child work,
[44:30] the wounded child, you know, that was
[44:32] abused and not seen and
[44:34] suppressed and repressed.
[44:38] So, now you can provide the loving
[44:39] witness and sacred space. Tell me all
[44:42] about it means
[44:44] you know,
[44:45] let me hear everything that's going on,
[44:48] and you get to hold witness for that.
[44:53] And then, you can say it makes sense you
[44:56] feel this way.
[44:59] Of course.
[45:01] Of course you're angry. Of course you're
[45:03] sad. Of course you're scared.
[45:08] And it's this instant
[45:11] soothing
[45:12] and relaxation that happens inside of
[45:15] the
[45:17] spiritual heart and even physical.
[45:22] Now, the other part of it is
[45:25] what if you actually need to like
[45:28] do something? Like, we've talked a lot
[45:30] about sort of relationship dynamics with
[45:33] this, but
[45:35] it might be
[45:38] doing something out of your comfort
[45:40] zone, or doing something you've
[45:42] procrastinated on, or things like that.
[45:47] Where
[45:48] how many of you can relate? Like, you're
[45:50] going to quit drinking coffee
[45:53] tomorrow.
[45:56] And then, today's day one, and then you
[45:58] have the coffee, and then you're beating
[46:00] yourself up for it, right? Like
[46:02] self-gaslighting can get into that, too.
[46:09] So,
[46:10] you know, we we at times where it's
[46:13] appropriate, you want to couple this
[46:14] with loving accountability.
[46:19] You know, you get to learn to be
[46:21] sovereign in yourself. You get to learn
[46:24] to be empowered.
[46:27] So, you get to learn to take that little
[46:29] wounded child
[46:32] and parent them, parent them, him, or
[46:34] her.
[46:37] And sometimes that might mean doing
[46:39] something
[46:41] uncomfortable, something you don't want
[46:43] to do.
[46:46] And so, then you can say, "Sweetie, it
[46:48] makes sense you feel this way. Tell me
[46:50] all about it. And
[46:54] can we, you know,
[46:58] just take a baby step right now?"
[47:01] Something like that.
[47:08] Yeah.
[47:11] That sounds really difficult, Chanders.
[47:14] And so, in the context of
[47:15] self-gaslighting,
[47:18] if there's any part of you that is
[47:21] making yourself wrong for how you feel
[47:23] about that situation, that's where this
[47:26] would apply.
[47:30] If you're having stories like, "I
[47:32] shouldn't complain. I'm being too much.
[47:34] I, you know, I'm making a big deal." I'm
[47:36] I'm just saying as examples. If there's
[47:38] any sorts of
[47:40] thoughts,
[47:41] there might not be.
[47:44] But, in the context of self-
[47:47] gaslighting,
[47:49] get look at okay. Yeah, given the
[47:51] situation, it makes sense I feel pissed
[47:53] off.
[47:55] Given everything, of course I feel this
[47:57] way.
[48:00] And that can also help
[48:03] discharge the energy to where
[48:06] if
[48:08] you know, whatever anyone's situation
[48:10] is, if you do need to take an action,
[48:13] you're going to be way more grounded and
[48:15] centered when you do it.
[48:19] Because you've
[48:22] you've sort of calmed
[48:25] or come into alignment inside presence
[48:29] with that medicine of self-compassion.
[48:34] So,
[48:36] I'd like to offer those of you here, or
[48:38] if you're watching the replay, a gifted
[48:40] coaching conversation with me if it
[48:42] feels useful and you haven't received
[48:45] that with me before.
[48:47] And we can look at your specific
[48:49] situation.
[48:51] Or if you need help finding,
[48:55] you know, specifically where this shows
[48:57] up for you, how to work with it. Might
[48:59] be a certain situation.
[49:01] This is a gift with no strings attached,
[49:03] so you can send me a message and
[49:06] say, "Self-gaslighting."
[49:10] And we can set that up as a gift.
[49:14] Don't forget to follow me here if you
[49:16] haven't already.
[49:18] I will be posting more live streams with
[49:24] similar content, you know,
[49:25] relationships, boundaries. I also am
[49:29] an addict [snorts]
[49:30] alcohol and drugs in recovery for a long
[49:33] time and sugar
[49:35] uh for 6 years, which is mhm
[49:39] a passion of mine to
[49:41] help others release sugar addiction.
[49:45] So, stay tuned for lives on that. Well,
[49:47] it's almost Halloween.
[49:49] We're coming into
[49:51] >> [snorts]
[49:51] >> holiday food season for many of us
[49:56] in the Western Hemisphere, Northern
[49:59] Hemisphere.
[50:01] Um
[50:03] So, yeah, and I'll pop up my um
[50:07] course again here. I would really
[50:10] love
[50:13] um your support and listening and
[50:16] engaging with the course as well as
[50:18] giving it a rating. It helps me to get
[50:21] it out more into the community.
[50:24] Sharing it with anyone who it might be
[50:26] relevant for.
[50:28] I appreciate that.
[50:32] Oh, and we do have a few minutes left.
[50:34] So, I had thought, uh which by the way,
[50:37] I'm a tarot and oracle card reader as
[50:39] well as a spiritual life coach and Reiki
[50:41] Master Teacher.
[50:43] And on Sundays, I
[50:47] do
[50:49] a
[50:51] uh
[50:53] collective card reading every week along
[50:56] with Reiki and ancestral clearing.
[51:00] Um
[51:03] And so, I just thought
[51:06] for the self-gaslighting, it would be
[51:09] interesting to see get a couple cards of
[51:11] advice from spirit to see what spirit
[51:14] says
[51:15] for you all here about this
[51:18] really
[51:20] um powerful concept.
[51:23] Oh, wonderful, Teresa.
[51:29] Jed, I hear you on that.
[51:32] Yeah, I mean, you know,
[51:34] it's a great blanket advice for for most
[51:38] of us. No alcohol, sugar, legal drugs.
[51:43] Um are you saying you do that to
[51:45] specific people?
[51:49] And Teresa, I love that example for you
[51:51] because this is this is what I was just
[51:54] saying like as far as habits or
[51:56] behaviors or addictions even.
[51:59] Um we make ourselves wrong. Like there's
[52:02] such a shame spiral that happens.
[52:06] And I do this with my coaching as well
[52:08] of, you know, giving daily
[52:10] accountability support or weekly
[52:12] depending on the client.
[52:14] >> [snorts]
[52:14] >> Um as far as changing addictions and
[52:16] patterns and behaviors and habits.
[52:19] And, you know, we work with [snorts]
[52:22] this all the time.
[52:24] Um
[52:27] you know, so it's like okay, if for your
[52:30] example, if you don't get out of bed
[52:33] then it's so easy just sit there and
[52:35] feel like And it's not even
[52:37] conscious thinking, right? It's just
[52:38] this heavy feeling and this like
[52:41] and like this it's a shitty feeling,
[52:44] right?
[52:45] So
[52:47] shame is not going to make anyone change
[52:50] ever because it's never worked.
[52:53] You can look at, you know, most of us
[52:55] think about your own life. If shame
[52:57] worked to get you to change, you would
[52:58] have decades ago, I always say.
[53:01] >> [snorts]
[53:01] >> You know, we can change with loving
[53:05] self-compassion, right? So
[53:08] saying it makes sense that I don't want
[53:10] to get out of bed. It makes sense that I
[53:12] feel this way.
[53:14] It shifts the energy
[53:16] to where it releases
[53:19] tension, it releases resistance.
[53:22] And then wow, isn't it interesting? Now
[53:24] I suddenly
[53:26] feel like maybe I could get out of bed,
[53:28] maybe even just for 1 minute.
[53:30] So thank you for sharing that.
[53:38] Yeah, that's great, Jed, that your heart
[53:41] wants to help friends and society, your
[53:44] heart's in the right place. Chandra is a
[53:46] cannabis patient working on sugar
[53:48] addiction.
[53:49] Yeah, I can imagine. I mean, I for me, I
[53:53] was not a patient. I was an addict with
[53:56] marijuana.
[53:57] And so I I well know
[54:00] uh what it does to appetite for sure. I
[54:02] don't know if that
[54:04] is related for you, but I know that was
[54:06] my case.
[54:08] >> [snorts]
[54:08] >> So,
[54:12] of course.
[54:14] I always say you can't make this
[54:15] up. Those of you that know me know.
[54:18] So, we have the four of pentacles.
[54:22] So, just look at the energy of this card
[54:24] in relation to
[54:26] um
[54:28] self-gaslighting, [snorts]
[54:30] right? And
[54:32] you know, the world has hurt us. I mean,
[54:37] that's what happens, right? In survival.
[54:40] And it's not about being a victim. It's
[54:42] just noticing like it's a human
[54:45] experience.
[54:47] And so when that happens, we
[54:49] we we want to protect ourselves and we
[54:52] we turn in and we and then we can turn
[54:54] against ourselves even, right? So, I
[54:57] feel like more this is about the energy
[55:00] of how this feels, like this
[55:02] contraction.
[55:05] And and it's like we're trying to
[55:07] protect ourselves from the world, but
[55:09] then we turn on ourselves
[55:12] as well.
[55:16] So, it's just about that softening
[55:18] towards our self and being on our own
[55:20] team and being on our own side and
[55:24] making it okay
[55:27] for how we feel.
[55:29] And I think too, you know, we have this
[55:32] coin purse.
[55:33] Like your treasure is inside of you.
[55:37] Your treasure is inside of you.
[55:40] And even this pain and this suffering
[55:43] can be transmuted to gold.
[55:48] Then we have the two of wands. So,
[55:51] it's like what's possible. This to me
[55:53] right now in this context is a card of
[55:56] possibility.
[55:58] She's looking out the window. She's got
[56:01] a map. She's got a globe.
[56:03] She's contemplating.
[56:05] So, so what
[56:08] new possibility opens up for you when
[56:11] you start shifting
[56:13] these deep-rooted dynamics
[56:17] for yourself?
[56:24] Because it's moving out of survival into
[56:26] creation. You know, all of this is
[56:29] because of survival.
[56:33] So, when we we come out of that
[56:35] contraction and then and then we see, we
[56:38] can look up, we can look around, we can
[56:40] look at the sky, we can see the world,
[56:43] we can see new possibility.
[56:47] Mhm.
[56:48] Thank you, Chris. I love what you're
[56:50] saying.
[56:53] Yeah, totally. Be the change you want to
[56:55] see in the world as Gandhi said, I think
[56:57] it was.
[56:59] And yeah, it all changes with with
[57:01] ourselves, you know, as within so
[57:04] without. We're all a microcosm of the
[57:07] macrocosm of humanity and what we're
[57:09] all, you know, on this healing journey
[57:11] and what we're doing is really
[57:12] important.
[57:14] So, look at what comes from this, this
[57:18] beautiful strength card.
[57:22] The lion, she's got half a lion face.
[57:26] She's got her heart on that necklace.
[57:30] And then the cute little lamb, the lamb
[57:32] of innocence.
[57:36] You know, within we are fully innocent
[57:39] and we get to go back to that. That's
[57:42] the essence of what we came in with. You
[57:44] know, I always talk about babies
[57:48] and
[57:49] um
[57:50] you know, the energy that that babies
[57:53] and small children have. It's just so
[57:56] pure and beautiful and innocent and that
[57:58] is still all within here underneath the
[58:00] conditioning.
[58:02] And when you can start healing this, you
[58:04] can access that inner strength, that
[58:06] inner innocence.
[58:08] You can become empowered, a self-led
[58:10] leader.
[58:12] And that's what, you know,
[58:13] I see as my goal in spiritual life
[58:16] coaching that I do. So, if you feel
[58:18] called to connect in that way, send me a
[58:20] message if you would like that gifted
[58:22] conversation that I offered
[58:24] or the PDF
[58:26] that outlines
[58:29] the phrases that I spoke about,
[58:32] um get in touch. So, I will see you all
[58:35] this weekend if not before.
[58:38] I don't think I'll be scheduling a live
[58:40] in between now and Sunday,
[58:43] but more will be revealed and if you
[58:46] follow me, you'll get a notification.
[58:49] Um
[58:51] and again, of course, don't forget to
[58:54] do my course here, end of
[58:56] self-gaslighting on Insight Timer if you
[58:58] have premium.
[59:00] And um sending you all so much love.
[59:04] Thank you so much for joining me
[59:07] and namaste.
[59:13] Thank you, Chris. Bye-bye.