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Inspiration

Nonviolent Communication Bridges Israeli-Palestinian Divide

Suryalila Retreat Centre
Suryalila Retreat Centre
Nov 13, 2026
9 min read

From Suryalila Retreat Centre

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Gonie Zilberman sits in the Andalusian countryside at Suryalila Retreat Centre, still settling into the quiet after a week of intensive work. Her voice carries the weight of something that has lived in her for fifteen years: the knowledge that even in the deepest conflicts—where fear, grief, and generational trauma run through entire communities—a different kind of language exists. Not the language of blame or correctness, but the language of the heart.

For nearly two decades, Zilberman has been studying and practicing Nonviolent Communication (NVC), a framework that transforms how humans relate to themselves and each other. What began as a chance discovery at an intercultural center in the West Bank has become the organizing principle of her life's work. As co-founder of NVC Rising, a global initiative dedicated to spreading this practice, she has brought Israelis and Palestinians into the same rooms—spaces that are often anything but safe, yet can become what she calls "brave spaces." In those spaces, people bring their pain, their anger, their judgments, their stories, their lack of trust. And they learn to express all of it in ways that create connection rather than greater distance.

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How a Chance Invitation Changed Everything

Zilberman's path to NVC was not planned. She was working as a journalist and filmmaker, involved in the management of the Echo Me Centre, an intercultural living experiment in the heart of the West Bank. Through a friend's email, she received an invitation: spend two weeks in the desert near Jericho with a mix of Israelis and Palestinians. The invitation carried both promise and uncertainty. She decided to go.

What she discovered there was NVC—a training unlike anything she had encountered before. But this was not a theoretical introduction. From the beginning, NVC was embedded in the actual work of creating bridges between people living on opposite sides of a conflict that seemed immovable. "My journey with NVC started about 15 years ago," she explains, "through my involvement and my motivation to create bridges between Palestinians and Israelis and to create a change where I live."

That motivation—to create actual change in a place defined by occupation and oppression—became the crucible in which she learned to practice NVC. For the first couple of years, nearly every time she encountered this communication framework, it was in the context of bringing Israelis and Palestinians together, asking them to bring not just their words but their full authenticity: their pain, their stories, their deepest judgments.

Connection Before Correction: A Different Way of Being

In conventional communication, most people move quickly to correction. Someone says something—perhaps something that triggers us, perhaps something we simply disagree with—and we want to set it right. We defend our position. We point out where they are wrong. This is the default mode of human relating in most contexts.

NVC inverts this sequence. "The first thing that is coming to mind is connection before correction," Zilberman says. "If I'm trying to think of what I am still doing day by day when I communicate without the taste or without the flavor of NVC, I mostly correct before I connect. And there are many many many times during my daily life where I do that quite often, even after 15 years of practicing nonviolent communication."

The shift is subtle but profound. When someone expresses something—whether it triggers us or not—the NVC practitioner first seeks the point of connection. And finding that connection is not about agreeing with what was said. It is about identifying the needs that lie beneath the words.

"The first step of it will be inside of me," Zilberman explains. "If someone is saying something and it might be triggering for me to hear... the first thing for me is like trying to find the point of connection and usually doing so is related to identifying needs—that is behind the story or that is behind what has been said." A person can express something, request something, say something. But beneath all of it sits a need. Understanding that need is the bridge that allows authentic dialogue to occur.

The Geography of Brave Spaces

The spaces Zilberman and her colleagues create do not always feel safe in the conventional sense. People arrive carrying years of fear, grief, and generational wounds. They may not trust one another. They may not trust that honesty can be safe. And yet, the training begins with a powerful reframe: "There is no safe space, but we together are going to create a brave space."

A brave space is different from a safe space. In a brave space, people bring themselves fully and authentically. They express things they cannot express elsewhere. But they do it with intention and skill. They learn to pour their hearts out—to use Zilberman's phrase—in ways that may be difficult to hear or receive, but that ultimately bring people closer rather than push them apart.

This is not theoretical idealism. It is practical wisdom learned in one of the world's most entrenched conflicts. "If I just pour my heart out," Zilberman notes, "it can be very painful for someone else to witness or to hear or to receive my anger, my judgment, my pain. So together we were and we still are learning how to do it together in ways that eventually will bring us closer, that will bring togetherness, that will create trust."

The transformation this brings is measurable in the quality of one's own being. "What kind of transformation maybe that NVC brought to my life," she reflects, "is the ability to trust that I can express what is truly meaningful and important for me and have the tools to do it in a way that will bring me eventually closer to the other person rather than create more distance and separation."

From the West Bank to the World

Zilberman's work at the Echo Me Centre became a laboratory for NVC practice. For eight years, she and her collaborators invited people into this intercultural living experiment. They used the tools of NVC to address the real, immediate conflicts that arose when Israelis and Palestinians shared space, shared meals, shared daily life. The work was not about abstract principles. It was about breathing, being present, and finding connection in moments of genuine tension.

From that grounded practice emerged NVC Rising, an initiative that has grown to reach people in many places around the world. The week at Suryalila that Zilberman just completed brought together participants from across the globe who came to learn NVC together. Some were from Israel and Palestine, carrying the specific weight of that conflict. Others came from different contexts, different struggles, different places where the capacity to listen and speak with empathy is equally needed.

What strikes Zilberman about this expansion is that the essence of the work remains unchanged. "The work that you're doing takes a lot of courage," her host Vidya Heisel observes. Zilberman nods. It is work that moves "a little bit against the stream"—against the cultural current that normalizes blame, judgment, and the certainty that we are right and others are wrong.

The Role of Observation in Breaking Cycles

One of the practical tools of NVC involves what Zilberman calls "giving an observation"—saying what you actually see or hear, without judgment layered on top. This distinction is crucial. Most human communication fuses observation with interpretation. We see something and immediately judge it. We hear something and immediately attach meaning to it. NVC asks practitioners to separate these steps.

This seemingly small act has enormous consequences. When you observe without judgment—when you say what actually happened rather than what it means—you create space for the other person to be seen. You reduce the immediate defensiveness that arises when someone feels judged. You open the possibility for them to explain their own needs, their own reasoning, their own pain.

In the Israeli-Palestinian context, this matters enormously. Generations of misunderstanding, of assumptions, of interpretations layered on top of observations, have created walls of resentment. The practice of clean observation—of saying "I heard you raise your voice" rather than "you were aggressive toward me"—begins to dissolve those walls.

The Presence of Pain and the Practice of Holding Space

Zilberman acknowledges that when Israelis and Palestinians sit together, pain receives particular attention. "There's a lot of pain," she states simply. This is not something to minimize or move past quickly. In NVC practice, pain is met with presence. It is witnessed. It is held in the space with respect and gravity. Only from that place—where pain is truly received—can transformation begin.

This reflects a principle central to many spiritual traditions: that presence itself is healing. The capacity to be with someone in their pain, without trying to fix it or argue against it, is an act of profound generosity. It is also, Zilberman suggests, a prerequisite for the kind of connection that can eventually lead to change.

A Movement, Not a Result

When asked about outcomes, Zilberman resists the temptation to promise resolution. "I don't know what the result will be when I start doing this," she says. What matters is that she and others are committed to making NVC "a movement that will affect change." The emphasis on movement—on ongoing practice, on continuing to show up, on building momentum over time—is itself a kind of wisdom. It acknowledges that peace-building is not a destination but a direction. It is something you do, not something you achieve.

This approach also reflects the concept of karma yoga, a practice central to yogic philosophy: the idea of acting without attachment to results, doing what is right because it is right, trusting that consistent effort in service to connection will eventually bear fruit, even if you cannot see all the ways it will matter.

Where to go from here

For those drawn to this work—whether you are navigating personal conflict, seeking to build bridges in your own community, or simply wanting to relate to others with greater depth and authenticity—the path is clear: study Nonviolent Communication. Learn its structure, practice its tools, and embody its spirit. The framework itself is simple enough to teach a child, yet deep enough to sustain a lifetime of practice. Find a teacher, join a group, and most importantly, begin applying it in your own relationships. The transformation Zilberman describes—the ability to express what is truly meaningful in ways that bring you closer to others—is available to anyone willing to practice. The work of building brave spaces, of listening beneath judgment, of identifying the needs that drive human behavior: this is not reserved for those working in conflict zones. It is the foundation of all authentic human connection.

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[0:01] Welcome to a thousand sons sessions.

[0:05] Real conversations about well-being,

[0:08] purpose, and the journey home.

[0:11] I'm your host, Vidya [music] Heisel,

[0:14] here at beautiful Suryalila Retreat

[0:17] Centre

[0:18] in the Andalusian countryside of

[0:20] Southern Spain.

[0:22] In each session, I sit down with

[0:26] inspiring teachers, thought leaders, and

[0:29] wellness experts to explore what it

[0:32] means to live a meaningful, happy, and

[0:36] conscious life.

[0:39] Thank you for joining us.

[0:41] Let's dive in.

[0:43] My guest today is Gonie Zilberman.

[0:47] Gonie was a journalist. She's also a

[0:50] filmmaker, and she

[0:53] was the co-manager of the Echo Me

[0:56] Centre,

[0:58] an intercultural living experiment in

[1:01] the heart of the West Bank.

[1:04] She is also the co-founder of MVC

[1:08] Rising, a global initiative promoting

[1:12] the widespread use and inclusivity of

[1:16] nonviolent communication.

[1:19] Gonie's work is rooted in the powerful

[1:22] framework

[1:23] of nonviolent communication, or MVC,

[1:28] a practice that offers a path

[1:31] to deeper empathy,

[1:33] authentic connection,

[1:35] and peaceful conflict resolution.

[1:40] In this episode, we begin by exploring

[1:43] the foundational principles of MVC and

[1:46] how it transforms the way we relate to

[1:50] ourselves and others.

[1:52] And we will also dive into Gonie's

[1:55] profound work

[1:57] in one of the world's most painful and

[1:59] entrenched conflicts.

[2:02] The Israeli-Palestinian divide.

[2:05] Gony has been using NVC as a bridge

[2:08] between communities in conflict,

[2:11] bringing people together across

[2:13] seemingly impossible chasms of fear,

[2:17] grief, grief, and generational trauma.

[2:21] This conversation is about language, but

[2:24] not just spoken spoken language. It's

[2:27] about the language of the heart

[2:30] and how choosing empathy over blame,

[2:33] presence over judgment might change the

[2:37] world,

[2:38] one human encounter at a time.

[2:42] So welcome, Gony.

[2:44] >> Hello.

[2:45] I'm very excited and a bit stressed

[2:48] in this moment

[2:49] and very honored.

[2:51] >> Thank you.

[2:53] So

[2:55] I'm very excited to speak to you because

[2:58] I have been a big fan of NVC for about

[3:01] 12 years myself

[3:03] and it's helped me a lot in my own life.

[3:07] And I became interested when I was

[3:10] actually involved in some personal

[3:12] conflict with someone

[3:14] and I felt like I didn't have the tools

[3:18] to

[3:19] try to

[3:21] resolve the conflict and I started

[3:23] looking for tools and then I found NVC

[3:27] and I've done a few courses in it

[3:29] and that's been it's been incredibly

[3:31] helpful using NVC. And I think

[3:34] especially when there's some kind of

[3:36] tension

[3:38] or conflict to always,

[3:40] you know, resolve to go back to using

[3:44] those tools has been incredibly helpful

[3:46] for me. And also we here at Sir A Lilo,

[3:49] we have done courses with the staff and

[3:52] I also want us to

[3:55] communicate using NVC here

[3:58] as a team.

[3:59] And of course that doesn't always

[4:01] happen, but we're I think everyone's

[4:03] learning how to do that. And it is a

[4:06] very different way

[4:08] of communicating. And so yeah, it's

[4:11] something that's profoundly affected me.

[4:13] And so it was really wonderful to have

[4:16] your group of NVC Rising here at Suria

[4:20] Leela this week.

[4:22] And I think you've been doing some very

[4:23] deep work together.

[4:26] And it's we've there are people here

[4:29] from all over the world. And

[4:31] particularly having Israelis and

[4:34] Palestinians in the same

[4:36] space, in this beautiful space, and to

[4:39] know that you

[4:41] are doing this work together,

[4:43] it's very moving. So yeah, so I would

[4:47] like to at first ask you what first drew

[4:49] you to this work?

[4:51] And how has it transformed your own way

[4:54] of being in the world?

[4:58] >> So first of all, maybe before I I answer

[5:01] this question I am so grateful to be

[5:04] landing

[5:05] from the week that we had here and are

[5:08] just closing now at Suria Leela as you

[5:11] described.

[5:13] And my journey with NVC started about 15

[5:17] years ago, I believe,

[5:21] in a in another center

[5:24] called Ecome center.

[5:27] You mentioned it before that I was

[5:30] also [clears throat] part of the

[5:31] management team at Ecome.

[5:34] But

[5:37] I never heard about NVC. I was actually

[5:40] invited to a

[5:43] a gathering of Palestinians and Israelis

[5:46] at Ecome center and over email a friend

[5:49] told me that

[5:52] there's an opportunity to spend two

[5:53] weeks together

[5:55] in the desert in the West Bank, Israelis

[5:57] and Palestinians. And

[6:00] I just decided I'm going to go.

[6:02] And I discovered NVC. It was actually a

[6:07] nonviolent communication training

[6:10] that took part at Ecomo.

[6:12] Um, so it um I find it I found it by

[6:17] chance by but through my involvement and

[6:21] my motivation to create bridges uh

[6:24] between Palestinians and Israelis and um

[6:29] um create a change where I live um

[6:34] uh and and what I see as the occupation

[6:38] or the oppression that is happening in

[6:40] in Israel and Palestine. So this is kind

[6:42] of what what drew me um to the hands of

[6:46] of NVC and

[6:48] for for the for the first couple of

[6:51] years this was mainly the context when

[6:54] uh of me

[6:56] uh learning NVC and practicing NVC.

[7:00] Um meetings of Israelis and Palestinians

[7:03] together

[7:05] bringing their pain, bringing their

[7:08] authenticity, their stories, their

[7:10] judgments, um their lack of trust um and

[7:15] trying to build together something

[7:18] different. Um

[7:21] in the training um our training here

[7:24] actually started with a sentence that

[7:26] sound like sounds like

[7:28] there is no safe safe space

[7:32] but we together are going to create a

[7:35] brave space. So often the spaces that we

[7:39] were creating with NVC

[7:41] did not necessarily feel safe all the

[7:43] time, but we were trying back then and

[7:46] we are still trying to create a brave

[7:48] space.

[7:49] A space where we could really bring

[7:52] ourselves fully and authentically and to

[7:56] be able to express many things we cannot

[7:58] express

[8:00] elsewhere and do it in a way that will

[8:02] bring us closer rather than bring us

[8:05] apart, which

[8:06] sometimes happen when you are you know,

[8:09] wishing to be very honest and be be very

[8:11] authentic.

[8:13] Um, if at times for me, if I just pour

[8:17] my heart there, this is how you say,

[8:19] like just like

[8:19] >> your heart out, yeah.

[8:22] >> It can be very painful for someone else

[8:25] um to

[8:28] to witness or to hear or to receive

[8:31] um my anger, my judgment, my pain. So

[8:36] together we were

[8:38] we were and we still are are learning

[8:41] how to do it together in ways that

[8:44] eventually will bring us closer,

[8:47] that will bring togetherness, that will

[8:49] create trust. Um,

[8:53] and I think if you if if if you're

[8:55] asking me like what has been like what

[8:57] kind of what is the main transformation

[9:00] maybe

[9:01] um that NVC brought to my life

[9:04] is is this. Um, is the ability to trust

[9:10] that I can express what is truly

[9:13] meaningful and important for me

[9:16] and

[9:17] have the tools to do it in a way that

[9:19] will bring me eventually closer to the

[9:22] other person rather to create more

[9:23] distance and to create

[9:25] more separation.

[9:27] Right? Mm.

[9:29] >> Yeah. So um so how does NVC differ from

[9:33] conventional ways of relating? How would

[9:36] you describe it because

[9:39] um I know there's a certain step-by-step

[9:43] approach but um we don't need to go into

[9:46] that really now but there are I think

[9:48] there are important differences. I mean

[9:51] maybe you'd like to speak about them.

[9:54] >> Yeah, I guess it it's um I'm sure I'm

[9:57] not going to grasp everything now like

[9:59] I'm not going to mention everything now,

[10:02] so I will just mention what is coming to

[10:04] mind. And the first thing that is coming

[10:07] to mind is connection before correction.

[10:11] Um, so when we are um

[10:14] yeah so if I'm trying to think of

[10:18] um

[10:19] what I am still doing day by day um um

[10:24] when I communicate

[10:26] uh

[10:26] without the the taste or without the

[10:29] flavor of NVC so I mostly correct before

[10:33] I connect. And there are many many many

[10:36] times during my daily life where I

[10:38] always do that.

[10:39] I I do that quite often even after 15

[10:42] years of practicing nonviolent

[10:43] communication

[10:45] I sometimes correct before I connect.

[10:48] Um

[10:50] but if I am able to really embody

[10:54] the spirit of NVC, the practice, the

[10:56] tools that I that I've been learning in

[10:58] a moment like this

[11:00] um I will first connect. I will first

[11:05] create the connection so I guess the

[11:07] first step of it will be inside of me.

[11:10] If someone is saying something and it

[11:13] might be triggering for me to hear or

[11:15] even if it's not triggering at all it's

[11:17] just something that someone is

[11:18] expressing.

[11:19] Um so the first thing for me is like

[11:22] trying to find the point of connection

[11:24] and usually doing so this is a little

[11:27] bit going into the theory usually doing

[11:30] so um is related to

[11:35] um

[11:36] identifying needs

[11:40] um that are that is behind the story or

[11:42] that is behind what is been said. So

[11:45] someone um um can express something,

[11:50] request something, say something. So

[11:52] first I want to understand what is the

[11:54] need behind what this person just

[11:56] shared.

[11:57] Is there a need for safety there? Is

[11:59] there a need for belonging there? Is

[12:01] there a need for um to be seen, to be

[12:05] understood? Many different needs that

[12:07] humans have. So this will be my first

[12:10] and it can happen really fast

[12:12] in some moments. So then is a point of

[12:15] connection inside of me and then I will

[12:17] also

[12:18] try to create the connection not only

[12:21] inside of me but also with that other

[12:23] person and maybe I will reflect then

[12:26] what is it that I'm hearing that they

[12:28] are saying?

[12:31] I will try to

[12:32] be

[12:34] bringing

[12:36] spirit of empathy of care through

[12:39] reflecting what I heard that is very

[12:41] meaningful for that person in in this

[12:43] moment.

[12:46] Even if it's a complaint, you know, even

[12:48] if it's a judgment, even

[12:50] >> Right.

[12:52] >> and

[12:53] and after

[12:55] seeing that I kind of try to create

[12:57] connection and that was also received so

[13:00] like also waiting to hear back from the

[13:02] other person

[13:04] I might then go to what I would really

[13:06] like like to convey in terms of

[13:09] strategies like

[13:12] like

[13:13] what is it that I maybe want to respond

[13:15] or

[13:17] if there is a dilemma or a conflict,

[13:19] what is it

[13:20] that we can do to solve the problem that

[13:22] we are trying to solve? But first of

[13:25] all, connection. So I would say like one

[13:27] thing that is different

[13:29] from

[13:30] more typical ways of communication is

[13:32] the connection before correction.

[13:35] This is one thing and another thing that

[13:38] I already touched on a bit is

[13:43] [clears throat]

[13:43] is how much

[13:46] like weight and space we want to give to

[13:49] to our human needs.

[13:53] Each of us

[13:54] people

[13:56] humans in this land are sharing

[14:00] are share are sharing what in NVC is

[14:03] called needs. So I named some of them

[14:05] like the need for safety, the need for

[14:07] freedom, the need for independence, the

[14:09] need for autonomy, the need for

[14:12] creativity, the need to be seen, the the

[14:15] need to be heard. So we are all all all

[14:17] sharing that. So,

[14:19] um

[14:21] again, one thing that I think is somehow

[14:23] different is to

[14:25] um

[14:26] to try to find strategies or to relate

[14:30] to people or issues or topics from an

[14:34] like a needs based perspective.

[14:37] >> Mhm.

[14:37] >> Like first understand what are the needs

[14:39] that we want to care for? What are the

[14:41] needs that are present now in the room,

[14:44] in this conversation, inside of me,

[14:46] inside that person?

[14:48] And then from that, let's after

[14:50] identifying them, after connecting to

[14:52] the needs,

[14:54] um after acknowledging the needs, giving

[14:56] recognition,

[14:57] let's then

[14:59] try try find a strategy.

[15:01] >> Mhm.

[15:01] >> So also I think typically we first start

[15:04] thinking about solutions

[15:06] like like strategies, like oh let's find

[15:08] a solution, let's find a solution, I

[15:09] want to give you an advice so that you

[15:12] could do something about what you just

[15:14] shared with me.

[15:15] But I actually want to first

[15:18] really attend to the needs that we want

[15:20] to care for and then find a strategy.

[15:23] >> I think that's a very different way of

[15:25] communicating because I think also

[15:28] we you know our normal way of

[15:30] communicating often conveys a lot of

[15:32] judgment

[15:33] >> Mhm.

[15:33] >> and um

[15:36] you and also accusing other people and

[15:39] yeah and blame and I think that just

[15:42] actually also

[15:43] well one thing is like you you express

[15:45] empathy is just so important and just

[15:48] really listening to what someone else

[15:50] said.

[15:51] And like you said listening for the

[15:52] needs, it's something we rarely do,

[15:55] right? We and I think jumping to fix

[15:57] something is

[15:59] you know we always want to have a

[16:01] solution rather than

[16:03] um just listen and

[16:05] be with what the person said. It's it's

[16:08] challenging. I think that

[16:10] when you first learn NVC, it doesn't

[16:13] feel natural because it feels more

[16:14] natural

[16:16] to you know have a lot of judgments and

[16:19] to try to fix things and to find

[16:22] solutions like you said. And it's not as

[16:24] natural to us to just listen and

[16:26] empathize and

[16:29] I think it's such a

[16:32] you know my experience of it is it it's

[16:34] just brings brings you together with

[16:36] someone immediately if you're doing

[16:38] that.

[16:39] And

[16:42] yeah I I think

[16:45] but it's it's it's takes a lot of effort

[16:48] to change this way that we've been

[16:52] conditioned to relate to each other and

[16:54] to respond.

[16:56] >> And yeah and but I also want to say

[16:58] something about what you said like

[17:00] judgment and trying to fix yeah.

[17:04] Um that

[17:05] it it's also important for me to say

[17:07] that yeah as you say it's really natural

[17:09] for us like to to judge and to try to

[17:12] fix and I am worried that it might sound

[17:15] like judgments are bad or judgments are

[17:19] wrong.

[17:20] It's more like in the practice we we

[17:23] really want to listen to the judgments

[17:26] and we really want to

[17:29] ask ourselves or together with another

[17:32] person ask ourselves like

[17:33] wait what is behind the judgment? Like

[17:37] what is the beautiful need

[17:40] that is

[17:42] was creating this judgment

[17:45] inside of my mind or inside of my heart.

[17:49] So the so

[17:51] I think we are also trying to not judge

[17:54] the judgment but kind of also welcome

[17:56] the judgment and really

[18:00] acknowledge that they are part of us as

[18:02] as humans definitely conditioned

[18:06] um but to work with the judgment to work

[18:09] with the judgment and really also

[18:11] acknowledge it's it's there it's part of

[18:13] me I'm a human I have judgments.

[18:17] And I want a question I want to really

[18:20] look

[18:22] deeper and ask myself, but what is this

[18:25] judgment trying to tell me or to voice?

[18:29] Like what is it that is so important for

[18:31] me

[18:31] there that this judgment is alive?

[18:35] >> Yeah, good. Okay. Yeah, thanks for

[18:39] pointing that out.

[18:40] Um

[18:42] I wanted to you to ask you a little bit

[18:43] more about this Echo Me center that you

[18:46] were part of. Is it still happening or

[18:49] is it still there?

[18:51] >> Um yes, so I I will share a little bit

[18:53] about it. Echo Me was established

[18:56] uh in 2000

[18:58] 10 and it was founded not by me,

[19:02] by a group of uh of people that

[19:05] graduated from the Aravah Institute. Um

[19:09] it's it's also a center for uh learning

[19:12] about ecology and

[19:13] sustainability,

[19:15] caring for the Earth

[19:17] and caring for us as humans on the

[19:19] Earth.

[19:20] Um and they uh

[19:23] uh founded, created Echo Me center.

[19:26] Um and I'm really grateful for them to

[19:29] do it because it has definitely changed

[19:31] my life in so many ways and the lives of

[19:35] of of hundreds and thousands of other

[19:37] people

[19:38] who were visiting it. And so I will tell

[19:40] like what Echo Me uh was. I can say it's

[19:43] no longer open. It was closed in 2018,

[19:46] so it operated for eight years.

[19:50] And

[19:51] um

[19:52] Echo Me was a center in the heart of the

[19:55] West Bank close to Jericho, not so far

[19:58] away from Jerusalem.

[20:00] Um it was located in in area C uh of the

[20:05] West Bank and it means that both

[20:07] Israelis and Palestinians could be there

[20:12] um without uh requiring or requesting

[20:15] any permit because

[20:18] usually Israelis and Palestinians

[20:20] are not uh

[20:22] usually usually of course there are

[20:24] Palestinians also living, uh, citizens

[20:27] of Israel living in in Israel,

[20:30] um, that I I refer to as Israel

[20:32] Palestine.

[20:33] But just to make that clarification now,

[20:35] um, that space was a place where me,

[20:39] Gonias, an Israeli, and a friend of mine

[20:42] as a Palestinian,

[20:44] uh, living in the West Bank could just

[20:46] visit without, um, any,

[20:49] um, checkpoint or,

[20:51] um,

[20:53] uh, interruption.

[20:54] >> Mhm.

[20:55] >> Yeah.

[20:57] Say saying that very carefully because

[20:58] there are many interruptions. Um, but,

[21:01] um,

[21:02] and, uh, it was a center where we

[21:05] actually lived together, Israelis and

[21:08] Palestinians. It was very very, um,

[21:11] um, I'm not sure how to say this in

[21:14] English, but

[21:16] uh, the facilities were very, uh,

[21:19] low,

[21:21] um,

[21:24] very, um, simple facilities, very very

[21:27] basic facilities.

[21:29] Um,

[21:30] compost toilet, um, a shower no hot

[21:35] water in the shower. Um, we lived in

[21:39] shacks that we built from recycled

[21:42] materials.

[21:43] Um, but I think like the essence and the

[21:45] main thing about Ecomi was that it was a

[21:48] space that didn't

[21:51] that didn't have like a lock or didn't

[21:53] have a guard. Anyone

[21:56] could come there. Um, Palestinians,

[21:59] Israelis, and it's this is something

[22:00] that in the reality of Israel Palestine

[22:04] is unusual. Like there was no other

[22:07] place like it.

[22:09] Um,

[22:11] even like perhaps there were like there

[22:14] are and there were other centers where

[22:16] people But there is always a lock on the

[22:17] door and there is always like are you

[22:19] invited to come

[22:21] and are you going to meet who? The door

[22:23] was open and anyone could just enter.

[22:26] >> Mhm.

[22:27] >> And the intention of EkoMe was to create

[22:29] a meeting space for Israelis and for

[22:31] Palestinians to come together.

[22:33] And as I mentioned before, this is the

[22:35] place where I was also welcomed on its

[22:38] first year of operating. I was, you

[22:40] know, I just heard about a training

[22:41] happening there. I was also welcomed. I

[22:44] also walked in the door.

[22:45] And

[22:47] I am I was immersed or I took this two

[22:51] weeks or nine days, I don't even

[22:52] remember, training of NVC with Israelis

[22:55] and Palestinians and internationals from

[22:57] around the world.

[23:00] And after four years, I

[23:04] was invited to be to replace those who

[23:07] were holding the space with with a group

[23:10] of Israelis and Palestinians and

[23:12] and I did so for

[23:14] two years and then

[23:16] like another two years I was

[23:18] still living there but

[23:20] mostly

[23:23] creating a documentary that is still in

[23:26] progress about this place and this

[23:29] community. And NVC was

[23:34] the core

[23:36] of of what we did there.

[23:38] So it doesn't mean that

[23:40] all day long we were like learning NVC.

[23:43] [laughter]

[23:44] But

[23:47] but the spirit, the intention, the

[23:48] consciousness that I described a little

[23:51] bit before,

[23:52] this was what really held us as a

[23:55] community.

[23:57] I think without this tool, we would not

[24:00] survive

[24:02] like having this center operating and

[24:05] having all the work that was done there

[24:07] for these past eight years. Like

[24:10] like this is

[24:11] really the magic that held us together.

[24:15] I can say that also

[24:18] after the center was closed, it's

[24:21] definitely still something that is

[24:23] like NVC is still something that is

[24:25] holding us together as a community even

[24:28] when we are not

[24:29] living together.

[24:31] >> Right.

[24:32] >> Um so it closed during the recent

[24:35] conflict?

[24:37] >> It closed in 2018 and I wouldn't know I

[24:40] wouldn't say that it's I mean there is

[24:41] conflict all the time at least this is

[24:43] in my experience the conflict is

[24:46] is is is all the time there but and you

[24:48] know many many times I I hear this

[24:51] question like why I come it closed

[24:53] and each of us uh

[24:56] who has been there I think have a

[24:57] slightly different answer

[24:59] about that uh

[25:02] um

[25:03] but I come it closed because okay and

[25:05] this is my version of it um I come it

[25:08] closed because um there is always an

[25:11] escalation I mean

[25:13] year by year we are experiencing

[25:16] escalation in terms of the violence that

[25:18] we are experiencing

[25:20] in Palestine and Israel

[25:22] and while in 2010 it might

[25:26] like there was a feeling this can

[25:29] happen we can hold this

[25:32] >> Mm.

[25:33] >> year by year it became harder

[25:35] >> Mm.

[25:36] >> and uh at least in my experience in 2018

[25:40] the the group of leaders that were there

[25:42] felt

[25:44] this is too dangerous.

[25:45] >> Mm.

[25:46] >> We

[25:47] can take responsibility

[25:50] uh anymore for

[25:52] us being here.

[25:54] You know it was it was like a

[25:57] it was a little bit like a camping site

[25:58] in the middle of the West Bank with palm

[26:01] trees

[26:02] around us and

[26:04] um

[26:06] it was for me it felt that it was

[26:08] getting dangerous both for Palestinians

[26:11] and for Israelis and

[26:13] it was important to prioritize

[26:16] >> Yeah.

[26:17] >> back then safety of of all of us.

[26:20] >> Yes of course that's a shame but it

[26:22] sounds like an amazing experiment.

[26:25] >> Yeah.

[26:25] >> Um and so did you have like meetings of

[26:28] where you practiced NBC together and

[26:31] what would that typically look like?

[26:33] >> At the commi, uh our, yeah.

[26:35] >> when you were there.

[26:36] >> Yeah. Um, yeah, we, so first of all we

[26:39] hosted um during um during our time

[26:43] there we we hosted big NBC

[26:46] trainings.

[26:47] >> Mm.

[26:48] >> Um,

[26:50] not year round, but um a couple of times

[26:54] uh per year.

[26:56] And um we had a daily schedule as a

[26:59] community

[27:00] where we used the tools of NBC. So we

[27:03] would have a morning circle, for

[27:05] example, every morning held by someone

[27:09] uh like someone that is part of the

[27:11] leadership circle. Um, we will check in.

[27:15] So we will have like um one-on-one

[27:19] uh time for just

[27:22] um sharing what is alive inside of us,

[27:26] what are the needs that are alive, what

[27:28] are the feelings that are alive,

[27:30] making requests um when when when it's

[27:34] clear what our request are, request for

[27:37] support.

[27:38] Um,

[27:40] and I think again in in our meetings

[27:43] often, okay we, uh okay, so also we had

[27:47] uh we realized oh we cannot just have

[27:50] work meetings.

[27:51] We need to have a work meeting and we

[27:53] need to have a connection meeting. And

[27:56] these two things are both connected, but

[28:00] also separate. Like we really need to

[28:03] give time for connection

[28:06] even more

[28:08] most of the time then we need to give

[28:10] time to work, like the agenda.

[28:14] >> Yeah.

[28:14] >> like our little bit our to-do lists as a

[28:16] team. No no we, yeah. It took us also

[28:19] some time to to realize this and to

[28:21] explore that and this really became part

[28:24] of our practice by the way we, it's also

[28:26] part of our practice

[28:27] at at NBC Rising that we really want to

[28:30] give that time for connection meetings.

[28:33] >> Right.

[28:34] >> And then the meetings become so much

[28:36] easier, you know, because

[28:38] we've been prioritizing

[28:51] things get

[28:52] un get unpacked and then there is like

[28:56] more space for just flowing with

[28:58] the the mission that we have.

[29:00] >> Right.

[29:02] So NVC Rising arose out of doing the

[29:06] Echo Me Center.

[29:07] >> Yeah.

[29:07] >> And it's more online or are you also

[29:10] doing um do you also do live you're

[29:13] doing live work still

[29:14] >> Yeah.

[29:15] >> in Israel Palestine?

[29:17] >> Yeah. So so I can maybe I can like um

[29:20] give the thread of what what

[29:22] we we um we organized many NVC trainings

[29:28] at Echo Me

[29:29] >> Yeah.

[29:30] >> um in the years that we've been there or

[29:32] in the years that I've been there.

[29:34] And um in 2018

[29:38] uh the center closed.

[29:40] Uh we actually did organize one more big

[29:43] training after Echo Me closed and before

[29:47] COVID started.

[29:48] And in that moment when we realized

[29:52] um okay everyone are

[29:56] in their houses isolated cannot maybe

[30:00] not everyone but many people

[30:02] um isolated cannot go out.

[30:05] All the non-violent communication

[30:06] trainings around the world were

[30:09] getting canceled.

[30:11] And and we realized oh people are really

[30:14] really needing support now. They really

[30:16] need community.

[30:18] They really need to learn tools to deal

[30:21] with the

[30:22] isolation that is taking place right now

[30:26] in many places around the world. So we

[30:29] need to find a way

[30:31] to connect all these people together or

[30:33] at least as many as possible together

[30:36] and create spaces for them to receive

[30:39] the support and to feel in community and

[30:42] to learn the tools that can really help

[30:44] them deal with

[30:46] the this situation that at least I guess

[30:48] in in our lifetime those who are living

[30:50] on earth now I guess we didn't face so

[30:53] far.

[30:54] Um all of a sudden you cannot go out of

[30:55] your house and you're told

[30:57] like there there are a lot of you know

[30:59] questions and tensions there each of us

[31:02] I guess had their own things to deal

[31:04] with in relations to

[31:06] to the to the to the pandemic.

[31:09] Um [snorts]

[31:11] yes so this is how NVC Rising started

[31:14] and

[31:15] within I think 25 days um

[31:20] we organized an online event like a 72

[31:24] hours online event

[31:26] and about 1,500 people from around the

[31:29] globe joined us to learn NVC with

[31:33] probably 40 different trainers from

[31:35] different parts of the world

[31:37] um and this is how it started. We just

[31:39] said oh we're going to go for it and 25

[31:42] days later there was this online

[31:45] festival

[31:46] and we've been um offering programs for

[31:50] the past

[31:51] five years online

[31:53] and we started

[31:56] building this community of um

[31:59] non-violent communication practitioners

[32:01] uh

[32:02] and we had the privilege this week to to

[32:07] have our first in-person training here

[32:09] in Soria Lila and we also were

[32:12] um we we wanted to have it here because

[32:15] we we

[32:18] actually just like I Googled you and I

[32:19] found you and then I you know I realized

[32:22] that a lot of your values and a lot of

[32:24] what you are trying to do

[32:26] here the work you're doing here is very

[32:28] much resonating with what we are trying

[32:30] to do so we we really had the privilege

[32:32] of being here and

[32:34] um bringing people from around around

[32:36] the world to do our first in-person

[32:39] um in-person

[32:41] And maybe I can say one more thing about

[32:42] NVC rising

[32:45] is that there are many obviously many

[32:48] NVC

[32:50] initiatives online, in person.

[32:54] I think what we are trying to bring

[32:57] at NVC rising is to make it very clear

[33:01] and to emphasize on the link that we

[33:06] believe there is

[33:08] between NVC and social change.

[33:11] So for us

[33:14] NVC

[33:15] is

[33:16] a tool like it is for many people for

[33:19] self-development and it's a little bit

[33:21] what we were talking and about now.

[33:25] And

[33:27] at least the way we see it, it had it

[33:29] has

[33:30] it has another role. I want to say a

[33:32] bigger role but I don't want to like

[33:34] compare.

[33:35] So it has another role and this and its

[33:38] role is to

[33:43] mobilize people towards

[33:47] changing the world in a way that will be

[33:51] caring for the needs of all of us, not

[33:55] only some of us

[33:56] >> Mhm.

[33:57] >> who are in power or who have privilege

[34:00] or

[34:01] yeah.

[34:01] >> Yeah.

[34:02] >> So in our programs we really really try

[34:05] to

[34:08] bring people from all around the world

[34:10] to talk about concepts like power and

[34:13] privilege

[34:15] and to practice them in a moment of

[34:18] tension when it's arising and we had

[34:21] plenty of moments like this in our

[34:23] in our training now

[34:25] to bring space, to create space for

[34:27] grief, to create space for anger. So

[34:30] actually often in our training, for

[34:32] example in the past week, we didn't go

[34:35] through the four steps

[34:37] of NVC which is usually described as

[34:42] first this give an observation, say what

[34:45] happened,

[34:46] then talk about your feelings, then talk

[34:48] about your needs and then make a

[34:50] request. These are the four steps that

[34:54] uh are like some how the basic knowledge

[34:56] or pillars

[34:58] um

[34:58] of NVC. We often this week really gave

[35:02] space for

[35:04] authentic expression, a lot of judgment,

[35:08] >> Uh-huh.

[35:08] >> blaming.

[35:10] Um we gave space to to these expressions

[35:13] and

[35:14] we opened our ears and saw the needs

[35:17] that are behind them or the feelings

[35:19] that are alive there.

[35:21] And

[35:22] uh

[35:24] um

[35:25] created space for these um

[35:29] needs and feelings as a community

[35:31] together. Um

[35:33] give acknowledgement, give recognition

[35:35] and give empathy.

[35:37] >> Yeah.

[35:37] >> Um

[35:38] >> I mean it must be very challenging. I

[35:40] can imagine holding space in when

[35:43] there's [clears throat] especially with

[35:44] this conflict, you know, and there must

[35:47] be so much trauma there and fear and

[35:50] grief and like you said. So

[35:52] I really can't imagine how it is to hold

[35:55] space in that place and but you feel

[35:58] that um

[36:01] you were able to do that and and do you

[36:04] feel like it helped people to resolve

[36:07] some of the um emotional trauma that

[36:10] they were experiencing?

[36:12] >> I don't know if it was helping people to

[36:15] resolve um trauma.

[36:20] Um I guess

[36:22] trauma is something that we don't we

[36:27] I'm not a trauma expert, but in my

[36:30] experience it's not something that

[36:33] at least I can resolve and I kind of

[36:35] have a lot of doubt whether the person

[36:37] who is carrying the trauma can resolve,

[36:40] but we mostly want to create space. We

[36:43] want to I mean also me as I have to say,

[36:45] me as an

[36:46] me as an Israeli, I think one of the

[36:47] main things that I have to learn or I'm

[36:50] trying to learn, I don't have to, but

[36:51] I'm trying

[36:53] is how to create space because as an

[36:55] Israeli I take space.

[36:59] Or I'm born into a systemic

[37:02] dynamic where I am to take space.

[37:07] And what I'm trying to do both as an

[37:09] Israeli

[37:12] but also yeah as as a person trying to

[37:18] bring people people together and have

[37:20] people going through a process and

[37:22] learning tools for creating social

[37:25] change eventually is to create space. So

[37:28] it can it can be a space for for trauma,

[37:31] yeah can space for for pain that maybe

[37:34] is not maybe classified as trauma.

[37:38] And space for for many questions that we

[37:40] have as humans also

[37:44] questions and dilemmas that

[37:50] and people that are like in our training

[37:53] we kind of

[37:55] try to explain what who are the people

[37:58] here that are most impacted.

[38:00] Okay, we had in the room

[38:03] people that nowadays in their lives are

[38:06] way more impacted

[38:09] or are close to harm than other people

[38:13] in the room.

[38:14] So

[38:16] I'm going to go to back to what I said

[38:18] before. It's like we are really trying

[38:20] to create space for the most impacted

[38:23] but not only.

[38:25] Not only for the most impacted

[38:28] in this very moment and it's also

[38:30] often a question like who is the most

[38:32] impacted in every given moment.

[38:35] There are many layers and levels of of

[38:38] impact or harm

[38:40] that we are dealing with when 60 people

[38:43] from different parts of the world are

[38:44] coming together.

[38:47] And

[38:48] it feels like

[38:49] someone's pain

[38:51] is

[38:52] um,

[38:54] bigger than the other or someone's pain

[38:57] is more important than the other or

[39:00] someone's pains receives more space than

[39:02] the other.

[39:04] Um, I mean this

[39:05] um, yeah. So we are we are trying to

[39:09] create a container

[39:11] >> Yeah.

[39:11] >> for all of this um,

[39:14] yeah.

[39:15] We also I'm just like so grateful uh,

[39:20] that we had a part of our um, week here

[39:25] was a grieving ritual um,

[39:28] that took place in the

[39:31] forest shala here close to the river and

[39:35] um, among the trees and

[39:40] so we also really just want to create

[39:42] space to to grief to grief together. Um,

[39:47] >> Yeah, I'm sure that um, the participants

[39:50] that came here obviously they're people

[39:53] that

[39:54] want to come together in their just in

[39:57] their human experience, you know? And I

[39:59] think

[40:00] that it's so important that we create

[40:03] spaces like this where people can you

[40:06] know, who want to because not nobody

[40:09] really wants to be in conflict. I think

[40:12] like you said there's a lot of pain

[40:14] behind that need but most no human being

[40:18] really wants conflict, I think.

[40:21] Um, but I think it also takes a lot of

[40:23] courage to want to come

[40:26] to a space where the idea is to actually

[40:30] come together rather than

[40:32] push each other away, you

[40:34] [clears throat] know? So I think

[40:36] yeah, it was really it's just really

[40:37] lovely to

[40:39] you know, to have to be able to hold the

[40:41] space not in the way that you're doing

[40:43] it but just to have this space where we

[40:46] can invite this kind of work

[40:48] >> Mhm.

[40:49] >> because I think

[40:50] like just like the Echo Me Center,

[40:53] the these places are so important.

[40:55] They're kind of like a place where it's,

[40:59] you know, just uh a container like you

[41:01] said where people can be and feel safe

[41:05] and um be feel free to express

[41:08] themselves.

[41:09] >> Mhm.

[41:10] >> But I think that um

[41:12] yeah, the work that you're doing takes a

[41:14] lot of courage

[41:15] and I'm sure it's very challenging to

[41:17] hold space

[41:20] in, you know, with people that are

[41:22] obviously in such a very

[41:24] [gasps]

[41:25] dire conflict that you have in

[41:28] Israel-Palestine. So

[41:31] but I think it's so needed.

[41:33] And do you think that

[41:35] >> Maybe I can say something about it

[41:37] before we move to our next question.

[41:39] Um because you are talking about how are

[41:41] we are coming together and how important

[41:43] it is and I I want to I want to say a

[41:46] little bit more about that that this is

[41:48] this was really one of our intentions

[41:50] and I also described what we did when

[41:52] COVID started online, but we really

[41:55] understand that in order for someone to

[41:57] feel like they matter or in order for

[42:00] someone to really be able to connect to

[42:03] their um

[42:05] like inner sources and to bring their

[42:08] gifts to the world and to help again

[42:10] create

[42:11] change that

[42:13] eventually um is resulted in not

[42:17] resulted like is

[42:19] the the result of it is um um caring for

[42:23] more needs

[42:24] um of more people.

[42:28] People

[42:29] need to feel like they belong somewhere.

[42:32] It's very very hard to act when you feel

[42:36] alone.

[42:37] >> Mhm.

[42:37] >> And

[42:39] and and and many of us I mean this was

[42:41] all all this was also very present in

[42:44] the room.

[42:45] Many of us live in communities,

[42:49] environments, countries, societies

[42:53] where feel alone.

[42:55] Um,

[42:56] they feel that there is a general

[42:58] movement

[42:59] that they cannot identify with. Um, that

[43:03] they

[43:04] um, that you know, the the work that

[43:06] they do is something that is going a

[43:09] little bit against the stream. Not a

[43:11] little bit, like very much

[43:13] >> Yeah.

[43:13] >> against the the stream, against the

[43:15] current.

[43:16] And it's resulting in feeling a lot of

[43:19] aloneness.

[43:20] Um, so part of us like coming together

[43:23] is is simply to build community.

[43:27] To create togetherness, to have a circle

[43:30] where I can feel I belong

[43:32] and to have a circle that can support

[43:35] me, that can resource me when I need.

[43:39] And that can really really um, help me

[43:43] on on the daily basis to do the work

[43:45] that I want to do.

[43:46] And each of us is doing something

[43:48] different in their own countries. Um,

[43:51] um, so this was also like a like a

[43:53] crucial point in in us coming together.

[43:56] Um, and we like kind of called it like

[43:59] the sangha of nonviolence. Like we we

[44:01] actually want to

[44:03] create some sort of a a sangha if I if I

[44:05] use like yeah.

[44:07] >> Yeah.

[44:09] And beautiful.

[44:10] I think that um,

[44:13] yeah, it's hard to really know how

[44:15] because I I I really identify with what

[44:17] you said by the way because I think

[44:20] you know, that's something that I'm

[44:21] trying to do is like as well because we

[44:24] you know, maybe we a lot of people don't

[44:27] maybe relate to the mainstream dialogue.

[44:30] I'm sure that there are a lot of people

[44:32] in Israel Palestine that don't want to

[44:34] be in conflict.

[44:35] >> Yeah.

[44:36] >> You know, and and um,

[44:38] somehow

[44:40] yeah, there's a maybe yeah, so you don't

[44:43] feel like you fit in because you don't

[44:45] really want to go with that dialogue.

[44:47] And I think that um,

[44:50] it's

[44:51] yeah, like I said earlier, it's so

[44:53] important. I mean, we're we're actually

[44:57] it's you know, it's a gift to live in

[44:59] this, you know, to live here in Spain

[45:02] where there isn't any conflict

[45:03] happening.

[45:05] Um, and to feel like we don't have to be

[45:08] afraid of just being ourselves, you

[45:11] know.

[45:12] And also I you know, it's like one thing

[45:15] I try to do here is to just have

[45:17] something that is, you know, this

[45:20] um

[45:21] this place is based on kindness and

[45:25] and connection like you said and um I

[45:28] don't want it's you know, it's

[45:30] apolitical in a way because

[45:32] I I just want people to feel at home

[45:35] here and to be comfortable here and I'm

[45:38] personally not um

[45:41] you know, I don't have I don't get

[45:42] involved in politics because I find it

[45:45] so stressful and I feel like sometimes

[45:47] we have enough to do just to try and

[45:49] live our lives

[45:51] and to you know, be kind and generous to

[45:54] the people around us. And you always

[45:56] hope that this is having an effect, you

[45:58] know. But I wonder with nonviolent

[46:01] communication, I guess the the there's

[46:04] an intention behind it like you said to

[46:06] maybe

[46:07] make it a movement that will affect

[46:10] politics. And of course,

[46:12] you know, that's we can always hope for

[46:14] that. But um and I know that MVC's been

[46:17] used in mediation work as well.

[46:21] So and I guess the work you're doing

[46:23] could be considered to be mediation work

[46:26] in some form or another.

[46:28] Um, but do you think that how you know,

[46:31] how powerful do you think MVC can be?

[46:35] You know, because obviously the

[46:36] conflicts in the world are so

[46:39] um

[46:41] intense and so entrenched, if you like

[46:44] that it's kind of hard to see how

[46:48] resolution is ever going to happen. And

[46:51] um

[46:52] I just wondered how far do you think MVC

[46:56] can actually

[46:58] you know be successful in helping us to

[47:00] resolve some of these very entrenched

[47:04] situations. Do you think there's hope?

[47:07] >> Mm.

[47:09] It's such a big question.

[47:12] Um

[47:14] and it's also a question that I might

[47:17] give so many different answers depending

[47:20] on the moment

[47:22] uh

[47:23] of me

[47:25] facing the question.

[47:29] I guess the first answer is like wow I

[47:32] really don't know. [laughter]

[47:34] And maybe this is again like bringing a

[47:36] little bit of

[47:37] NVC here and on to authenticity like the

[47:39] truth is I have no idea

[47:42] [laughter]

[47:43] um how how

[47:47] how the thing that I'm doing here now or

[47:50] did in the past 10 years or maybe we

[47:52] will do in the next few years will

[47:54] really really

[47:57] impact

[47:59] like the big big big movements that that

[48:05] uh our governments are

[48:08] uh like the actions that our governments

[48:10] are taking like I I

[48:12] um on a

[48:14] on a very practical level of of of

[48:17] looking at this question

[48:20] the the answer is like either no or I

[48:23] don't know.

[48:24] At the same time

[48:27] many lives

[48:28] have changed

[48:30] >> Yeah.

[48:30] >> um

[48:33] because of spreading out these tools.

[48:37] Like lives have transformed. Like I've

[48:41] seen that in my life also

[48:44] um really changed just because of that

[48:48] one email I got from my friend to go to

[48:50] that workshop 15 years ago.

[48:53] [snorts] And and there are many many

[48:55] people whom their lives are are

[48:58] uh are like impacted for the better.

[49:03] So so I so I know that there is a

[49:07] meaningful impact.

[49:11] At the same time

[49:15] I I guess that also at least I realized

[49:19] that my

[49:21] actions are not so much

[49:25] motivated and if I could really refine

[49:28] it

[49:29] from the result.

[49:32] Like

[49:34] I realized I cannot really count on what

[49:38] the result will be when I start doing

[49:41] something. When I when I you know make

[49:43] the intention or the commitment to do

[49:45] something like

[49:47] I don't know how what will be the

[49:48] result.

[49:49] >> Right.

[49:49] >> So it's it's a little bit like

[49:53] like

[49:55] what I'm doing or what we are doing at

[49:56] NBC Rising or and again I can only speak

[50:00] about myself but so maybe I will speak

[50:02] about myself.

[50:04] I don't know if there is going to be

[50:06] like a major impact in terms of

[50:08] politics.

[50:10] And I assume that there is not going to

[50:12] be a major impact in terms of politics

[50:14] also or that it's just going to take

[50:16] time.

[50:19] And at the same time do I want to live

[50:21] my life without trying to

[50:25] practice this or without

[50:28] these tools or just

[50:30] it's it's a little bit like irreversible

[50:32] like once

[50:33] >> Yes.

[50:34] >> like once

[50:35] it's like it's not something I can

[50:37] I cannot like take it back. You know I

[50:40] cannot like

[50:42] I cannot relate to people

[50:45] without it now or I cannot

[50:48] look at things now without

[50:51] considering

[50:53] what I am already aware of

[50:56] >> Right.

[50:57] >> at this moment.

[51:00] And there is a question of choice like

[51:02] do I have choice now? I mean, yeah, I

[51:04] mean, yeah, I have choice.

[51:05] Well,

[51:06] I'm a bit a a bit maybe saying like two

[51:09] different things here, like I cannot,

[51:11] but I also have choice, but

[51:13] yeah, I feel it's it's more like it's

[51:14] more like an inner decision. Like I'm

[51:17] this is what I'm going to do and this is

[51:19] what I'm going to bring and this this is

[51:23] my strength and this is what I believe

[51:26] in and

[51:27] um I hope it will

[51:30] um

[51:32] it will create as

[51:34] that the ripples will continue and that

[51:37] they will be as big as possible.

[51:40] Um

[51:42] yeah.

[51:43] >> Yeah. That I mean that's a beautiful

[51:44] answer. I think that we you're right. We

[51:47] we never really know what the results of

[51:50] what we're doing

[51:52] are going to be,

[51:54] but [clears throat] I think that

[51:56] you know even the effect that you have

[51:58] on individuals, you know,

[52:00] doing this work, it does affect many

[52:03] individuals and

[52:05] I think NVC has become quite a major

[52:08] movement actually. Everybody has heard

[52:10] of it. At least in the yoga world we've

[52:12] heard of it.

[52:13] And also is a concept that actually

[52:16] comes from the yoga world as well, the

[52:18] concept of nonviolence with Mahatma

[52:21] Gandhi and a lot of influential

[52:24] figures that have

[52:26] you know practiced this. So it's a

[52:28] concept that's very big in yoga,

[52:31] ahimsa, nonviolence. So

[52:33] >> Can I can I share a story that is

[52:35] connected that that is indeed connecting

[52:37] yoga and NVC? At least it's a story.

[52:40] >> Yes.

[52:41] >> Um

[52:42] so actually like two big projects that I

[52:45] was involved in

[52:48] and that were were like a follow-up of

[52:52] um

[52:53] a few NVC trainings that I organized or

[52:56] together with with other people in

[52:58] Palestine and Israel.

[53:00] Um

[53:02] so one one project that we created after

[53:04] the first NVC trainings that I took was

[53:07] um have a group

[53:09] of Israelis um going to the West Bank um

[53:14] to to teach yoga um um to kids.

[53:20] Um we were invited by um a school

[53:24] principal

[53:25] and we were teaching yoga for at I think

[53:28] at least like at least one year

[53:31] and we used to stay with the family of

[53:34] the

[53:35] uh

[53:36] adults who

[53:38] who who invited us to teach

[53:40] um for a weekend eating in their house,

[53:45] getting to know their families and that

[53:47] might sound like kind of normal

[53:50] but

[53:52] for Israelis and Palestinians to have

[53:54] this experience like of

[53:57] like we would we would park our car in

[54:00] one place and our Palestinian uh friend

[54:03] will come to pick us up from there and

[54:06] it's it's quite an operation to create

[54:09] such collaboration and it was around

[54:11] yoga because as you said we felt it's

[54:13] very much connected. These are practices

[54:17] that are a little bit like sister

[54:18] practices.

[54:19] >> Yes.

[54:20] >> Um another training that was a result of

[54:23] of our NVC work was

[54:26] a yoga teacher training for Israeli and

[54:29] Palestinian men, specifically men.

[54:32] >> Interesting.

[54:32] >> Um

[54:33] so

[54:35] yeah so there were like sister yoga

[54:37] initiatives uh that that that were

[54:40] created from

[54:42] uh the communities who practiced

[54:44] nonviolent communication in the in in

[54:47] Israel and Palestine.

[54:49] And and yeah and these these were

[54:52] like the training we just had. They were

[54:55] [snorts] profound experiences

[54:57] in my in my life. Like we were do

[54:59] profound and I'm I'm proud and I'm proud

[55:02] of being part of them and I'm proud to

[55:04] share about them. And they were like

[55:06] small. You know it's not something that

[55:08] is going to impact what is happening now

[55:11] in past and in Israel, but

[55:14] it's impacted

[55:25] >> you also told me that you're married to

[55:27] a Palestinian.

[55:29] So and I I asked you if that was a very

[55:32] common and you said it's not so common

[55:35] at all.

[55:36] >> Yeah.

[55:36] >> So um how I mean is there is that a

[55:41] challenge? How do you navigate that? You

[55:43] obviously met at you told me that you

[55:46] met at the Echo Me Center.

[55:49] >> Yeah.

[55:49] >> Um so obviously you are both you're both

[55:53] um

[55:54] immersed in the MVC work.

[55:57] >> To to some extent [laughter] I think.

[56:00] Yeah, I think it's more something that

[56:02] I'm focused on and

[56:04] my partner is a potter and he has many

[56:07] other things that that he likes doing.

[56:09] Um and he yeah, we met at at

[56:12] I don't know MVC training uh

[56:15] at Echo Me.

[56:17] Um

[56:18] and um hm yeah, you wonder like how can

[56:22] I summarize [laughter]

[56:24] this experience in my life in a couple

[56:26] of words, but it's

[56:28] yeah, like

[56:30] deciding to be together in our

[56:32] constellation. Like I'm an Israeli

[56:34] Jewish,

[56:36] he's [snorts] Palestinian Muslim. Um

[56:38] he's uh

[56:40] more like religious. I am more secular.

[56:43] There are actually many

[56:45] you know, many

[56:47] many differences between us.

[56:50] Um

[56:52] it's something that definitely requires

[56:54] um

[56:56] a lot of inner work. Like a lot of a lot

[56:58] of work.

[56:59] A lot of work. There is always friction.

[57:02] There is always tension.

[57:04] The tension and friction might be

[57:07] external like the circumstances that we

[57:10] are living in.

[57:11] And the friction and tension might be,

[57:14] I mean, it's very, it's always hard to

[57:16] say what is external to us and what is

[57:19] like in inside of us. That's one of the

[57:22] major questions I always have. Is this

[57:24] like something systemic or is this

[57:26] something personal what we are

[57:27] experiencing now, this tension between

[57:29] us? [gasps] Um

[57:32] so I'm I'm I'm not sure if I can

[57:34] summarize this, but yes, like there is

[57:37] there there are there are many conflicts

[57:38] that we have to deal with, whether we

[57:41] yeah, it's just

[57:43] all the time coming to us.

[57:45] Um and and I'm grateful

[57:48] for for NVC because again, I'm I'm not

[57:51] sure that I would have been able to

[57:53] um to have this relationship or to

[57:57] create this family

[57:59] um

[58:00] without

[58:02] this this consciousness that that

[58:05] >> Without the tools.

[58:07] >> Without the tools, without the

[58:08] consciousness, without the spirit,

[58:09] without like

[58:11] always coming back to the needs. Like we

[58:13] are saying something now,

[58:16] um but let's really let's see what is it

[58:18] that we are talking about. What is

[58:21] the

[58:23] um beautiful need that is that is alive

[58:25] in me now

[58:26] >> Mhm.

[58:27] >> um

[58:28] or that is behind this judgment or that

[58:30] is under this pain.

[58:32] >> Right.

[58:32] >> Um

[58:34] yeah.

[58:35] Um and as you said, it's it's very it's

[58:39] not common at all.

[58:42] Um

[58:43] and I'm also grateful for for for for a

[58:47] little community

[58:48] of

[58:49] Palestinians and Israeli couples that do

[58:52] exist.

[58:53] Um and again, like

[58:56] it's as I said before, like in order

[58:59] in order to carry on, in order for me to

[59:02] carry on, I really need to feel some

[59:04] sense of belonging, to feel like I'm

[59:06] less alone.

[59:07] Um

[59:09] so

[59:10] so having this little group

[59:13] of couples and families that are like us

[59:17] uh is something that has been really

[59:19] really supportive and I and I also know

[59:21] that it's

[59:22] probably another mission in my life that

[59:24] maybe one day I will really re really

[59:27] understand

[59:28] like what is the actionable actionable

[59:31] thing that I can do but yeah like these

[59:35] these very unique families that are

[59:39] >> So you have a a a meeting you you meet

[59:42] with other couples.

[59:43] >> Uh yeah we actually just had a meeting

[59:46] uh

[59:47] probably a few weeks ago

[59:48] >> Mm.

[59:49] >> and we had a picnic

[59:50] together and we've seen um I have two

[59:54] daughters four and a half and one and a

[59:56] half so we've seen

[59:59] kids that are now 30 years old of mixed

[1:00:02] couples.

[1:00:03] >> Mm.

[1:00:04] >> We could we could see a little bit into

[1:00:05] the future of our kids and have a little

[1:00:08] bit of a

[1:00:09] um window to how does how does how it

[1:00:13] can look like to have this mix of

[1:00:16] identities

[1:00:17] as you grow up.

[1:00:19] >> Right. Right.

[1:00:20] >> yeah and it was it was very inspiring to

[1:00:25] to meet these um

[1:00:29] chil grown up children.

[1:00:32] >> Yeah.

[1:00:33] >> Um yeah

[1:00:35] there is a lot of work to do but

[1:00:37] >> [laughter]

[1:00:37] >> Yeah I can imagine and are you holding

[1:00:40] MBC you're still holding meetings um uh

[1:00:43] where you live

[1:00:45] with Israelis and Palestinians.

[1:00:47] >> Um yes I mean I was

[1:00:50] me Gony here yes yeah um yeah I'm I was

[1:00:54] recently for example facilitating weekly

[1:00:57] meetings for um uh like Jewish and

[1:01:03] Palestinian women living in in Israel

[1:01:08] um women after birth for example so

[1:01:11] recently I've been holding a group

[1:01:13] together of um

[1:01:16] uh women to yeah like young babies

[1:01:19] um that were coming together like

[1:01:22] Israelis and

[1:01:23] Palestinians but

[1:01:25] all of them living like in Israel not in

[1:01:27] the West Bank

[1:01:29] um and there are there are still

[1:01:31] meetings that are happening

[1:01:34] uh in in yeah in different places in

[1:01:37] both in Israel and Palestine

[1:01:39] in the two different in the two sides

[1:01:43] of the world

[1:01:45] so there are still meetings that are

[1:01:47] happening

[1:01:48] >> Yeah well that's very heartening in a

[1:01:50] way

[1:01:51] I'm very it's really nice to hear that

[1:01:54] that's happening you know because we

[1:01:56] never hear

[1:01:58] we never hear about that on the news and

[1:02:00] um

[1:02:01] yeah as as I said I think that you know

[1:02:04] what we want to discover is our just our

[1:02:07] humanity our common humanity

[1:02:10] and not be so identified with

[1:02:13] uh you know the culture that we're in or

[1:02:15] our conditioning

[1:02:17] like somehow we have to

[1:02:19] um

[1:02:20] learn how to go beyond that and

[1:02:23] into our what our common

[1:02:26] yeah just human nature is you know and

[1:02:29] to come together in that so it's very

[1:02:32] inspiring the work you're doing and

[1:02:34] you're very courageous

[1:02:36] >> Thank you and I I want to I want to say

[1:02:39] something about that because I feel like

[1:02:42] what I really ask myself is how can we

[1:02:44] hold both like how can we hold both our

[1:02:47] culture and both our

[1:02:51] you know values or like yeah also

[1:02:53] political identities how can we hold

[1:02:56] both this

[1:02:57] and our humanity and uh what unite us

[1:03:01] and like how can we bring both to the

[1:03:04] space like I kind of want to share what

[1:03:07] it means to be

[1:03:09] an Israeli what it means to be a

[1:03:10] Palestinian what it means to be a

[1:03:13] Ukrainian what it means to be like

[1:03:16] Russian what it means to be um

[1:03:19] Armenian, what it means to be Azerbaijan

[1:03:22] from Azerbaijan. I'm just mentioning

[1:03:24] like

[1:03:25] countries that are in conflict. What it

[1:03:27] means to be

[1:03:29] like

[1:03:30] identifying

[1:03:32] with my my people or my culture or my

[1:03:35] religion or my political view and to

[1:03:39] still know that that you and I are

[1:03:41] humans and we actually really really

[1:03:45] need to work together

[1:03:48] with the

[1:03:50] identities that both of us have.

[1:03:53] >> Right.

[1:03:53] >> Like so how can we how can we hold both?

[1:03:57] Um and this is really complex and this

[1:03:59] is what we are trying

[1:04:00] >> Yes, it's a complex

[1:04:02] >> to do.

[1:04:03] >> It's very complex.

[1:04:04] >> Yeah. Um

[1:04:06] yeah.

[1:04:07] And but when we are able to do it and we

[1:04:11] really had

[1:04:12] more than a few moments of

[1:04:16] magic, I would say in this week here in

[1:04:20] Sierra Leone where we were like

[1:04:22] okay, we are going to say yes to this.

[1:04:24] We are going to hold this completely

[1:04:27] complexity. We have no idea where it's

[1:04:30] going to lead. It's really scary because

[1:04:32] someone just said something that I don't

[1:04:35] know how to react to and I don't know

[1:04:37] how it's going to sound like to this

[1:04:39] person.

[1:04:41] But let's give space to this and

[1:04:44] what we've learned or what I've learned

[1:04:46] or what I've seen

[1:04:47] uh that

[1:04:49] when we gave space

[1:04:52] it was resulted or um the space that was

[1:04:56] given was healing

[1:04:58] and

[1:05:01] um

[1:05:02] empowering.

[1:05:04] And

[1:05:06] this is what I meant maybe earlier on

[1:05:08] when I said

[1:05:09] it might not always felt safe

[1:05:13] but it felt brave. And

[1:05:16] Yeah.

[1:05:17] >> Amazing.

[1:05:18] Well, thank you so much for talking to

[1:05:21] me today and for sharing your amazing

[1:05:24] work that you're doing.

[1:05:26] And um people can find you at MVC rising

[1:05:30] .com, right?

[1:05:31] >> Yes. So we're at MVC rising.com and also

[1:05:35] the name of our training that happened

[1:05:37] here at

[1:05:38] was called is called rising for life and

[1:05:41] I hope that um we will um

[1:05:46] we will be able to do more and more

[1:05:48] trainings and have more and more people

[1:05:50] join us. Yeah.

[1:05:51] >> Okay, me too. Thank you so much.

[1:05:53] Wonderful.

[1:05:55] >> Thank you, Vidya.

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Nonviolent Communication (NVC) is a framework that emphasizes connection before correction. Rather than immediately disagreeing or defending a position, NVC practitioners first seek to understand the needs beneath what someone is saying. The key difference is that NVC separates observation (what actually happened) from judgment (what we think it means), allowing for genuine dialogue instead of blame.
NVC creates what Gonie Zilberman calls 'brave spaces'—places where people can bring their full authentic selves, including pain and anger, but express them in ways that create connection rather than further separation. By identifying shared human needs beneath the conflict, even groups divided by deep trauma and generational wounds can find points of understanding.
Yes. Zilberman's work with Israelis and Palestinians demonstrates that NVC can function even in high-distrust situations. The framework provides specific tools—like clean observation and identifying needs—that create safety not through false reassurance, but through genuine presence and authentic listening, which gradually builds trust over time.
In NVC, needs are the universal human values that drive all behavior—things like safety, belonging, autonomy, understanding, and dignity. When someone says something upsetting or makes a request, the NVC practitioner looks beneath the surface to understand what need is actually being expressed, which allows for more genuine dialogue.
Absolutely. NVC Rising, co-founded by Gonie Zilberman, is a global initiative bringing this practice to people around the world. While the framework was developed and refined through peace-building work, it is applicable to all human relationships—personal conflicts, workplace communication, family dynamics, and community building.
Zilberman has practiced NVC for 15 years and acknowledges she still sometimes reverts to old patterns of correcting before connecting. NVC is a lifelong practice rather than a skill to master. Most people see meaningful improvements in their relationships within weeks of training, but deepening the practice is an ongoing journey.

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