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[0:05] hello everyone
[0:07] today on the podcast we have dr sarah
[0:09] jane
[0:10] and sarah jane is a spinal and energetic
[0:13] chiropractor she is the founder of
[0:16] enlightened healing of which she has two
[0:18] locations
[0:19] one in armadale where i used to have the
[0:22] privilege to work
[0:23] and also a brand new clinic in calista
[0:27] she has a very long list of bachelor
[0:29] degrees including a major in psychology
[0:32] health science and applied clinical
[0:34] science
[0:35] she is a graduate of humanistic buddhism
[0:38] she is a certified yoga and meditation
[0:41] teacher holistic counselor and energy
[0:43] facilitator
[0:45] and one thing i love about sarah jane is
[0:47] she is very active in the community
[0:50] apart from just community events of
[0:53] which i've had the pleasure of going to
[0:55] she also works with indigenous
[0:57] communities and people in need
[1:01] she has a boundless knowledge of mind
[1:03] body and energetic medicine which is one
[1:06] of the reasons i really wanted to have
[1:08] her on today
[1:10] so let's begin
[1:14] okay welcome sarah jane
[1:17] uh
[1:19] firstly i'm so excited to have you on
[1:21] the podcast today you've been such an
[1:23] inspiration in my life you've all got
[1:26] such a powerful energy and i've really
[1:29] admired the way that you have run your
[1:31] business and the work you do i've
[1:33] actually had the pleasure
[1:35] of being in enlightened and practicing
[1:38] there for a little while when i was back
[1:39] in melbourne and i've had treatments
[1:41] from you
[1:42] uh but all you're around all round
[1:44] you're just such a joy so thank you so
[1:46] much for being here
[1:48] thank you for having me i'm actually
[1:49] really really excited because well i
[1:52] think well we haven't caught up in a
[1:53] while as well but just the kind of
[1:55] conversations that we usually have i'm
[1:57] just looking forward to sharing with
[1:59] your listeners and yeah of course seeing
[2:01] you and hearing you because it's been a
[2:02] while it has been a while and i know
[2:05] that you're gonna have so much to share
[2:07] with everyone who listens so
[2:09] i think it's going to be a really uh
[2:11] great time and very informative i'm sure
[2:15] so for the listeners that aren't
[2:17] familiar with what network chiropractic
[2:20] is
[2:21] because i know for myself it's very
[2:23] different to just going to a standard
[2:25] chiropractor
[2:26] uh i'd love for you to
[2:28] share with us how it works we i've seen
[2:31] all the little videos on your instagram
[2:33] with the bodies moving that people might
[2:35] like to go and check out at one point
[2:37] but i'd love you just to share a little
[2:39] bit of light on what you do
[2:42] yeah look it's not the typical or
[2:45] standard approach to chiropractic that's
[2:47] for sure
[2:48] um we a lot of the time uh working with
[2:51] the energetic field or using very gentle
[2:53] light touches to release tension or i
[2:56] guess resistance within the nervous
[2:57] system so this is still why it's a
[2:59] chiropractic technique we are still
[3:01] working with the spine and the brain
[3:03] we're just working with it in a way
[3:04] that's not manipulative in in the sense
[3:06] of cracking bones or um
[3:09] working in a way where we're trying to
[3:11] move a vertebra as such and back into
[3:14] place which is i guess kind of the old
[3:16] school way of chiropractic and uh we
[3:19] don't just focus on pain which i think
[3:21] is an important difference as well a lot
[3:23] of people when they normally see a
[3:24] chiropractor are going for possibly back
[3:26] pain or neck pain whereas as network
[3:29] spinal chiropractors we work in a way
[3:31] which is a lot more holistic and
[3:33] integrative and we look at the person
[3:35] from a spiritual aspect and
[3:38] soul aspect as well as physical
[3:40] emotional mental all of those things
[3:43] but we really try to connect
[3:45] all the parts of the human being and
[3:48] work with the energetic field to release
[3:50] tension in a way that the body is doing
[3:52] it itself
[3:54] rather than the practitioner
[3:55] manipulating
[3:57] you know the spine in a certain way to
[3:58] go back to a certain place
[4:01] that's more optimal we work with the
[4:03] body and allow the body's innate wisdom
[4:05] to move itself and that's why in those
[4:07] videos you see those people making all
[4:09] these strange movements and sounds these
[4:11] are just spontaneous releases that
[4:13] people are doing and it's an automatic
[4:15] release just like you know a knee reflex
[4:17] or your heart beating or if you cut
[4:20] yourself your body uh heals that cut
[4:22] it's that same energy that's working
[4:24] with releasing this resistance within
[4:26] the system and that's why it's such a
[4:28] privilege to work with but also um
[4:31] i guess it's it's utilized in a way that
[4:34] can also be seen as uh i guess working
[4:36] with clients with trauma anxiety
[4:38] depression uh
[4:40] things where people are i guess wanting
[4:43] to
[4:43] uh work at the root cause and not
[4:46] necessarily trying to fix something uh
[4:48] we're we're rebuilding we're
[4:50] transforming and uh allowing people to
[4:53] step into their power and be aligned not
[4:55] just physically and emotionally but
[4:57] spiritually and with their soul
[4:59] so i was really interested in what you
[5:01] were saying about alignment and it's
[5:03] almost like that the body actually just
[5:05] aligns itself spontaneously that the
[5:08] body really has its own inner wisdom
[5:10] that you just actually facilitate
[5:13] that change
[5:14] and would you say that it's you almost
[5:18] align physically and that then creates
[5:20] alignment in your clients lives through
[5:23] moving them energetically and then they
[5:25] see results out in their personal life
[5:28] and what's going on in their world
[5:30] yeah look it
[5:32] for me you can access
[5:34] someone's field either in a physical way
[5:36] a mental emotional way or in a soul
[5:39] personal soul kind of way so it's not
[5:41] just the physical we are changing but we
[5:44] are working with the nervous system and
[5:45] the storage of the nervous system so you
[5:48] know if uh i'm not sure if some of your
[5:50] listeners are familiar with you know
[5:51] books such as like the body keeps the
[5:53] score or systematics in in the sense of
[5:56] like peter levine's work and this this
[5:58] idea and notion that uh our bodies store
[6:01] what we've gone through in our lives
[6:02] they've store um all our experiences and
[6:06] we work with the field almost like it's
[6:07] a fingerprint that's unique to the
[6:09] person but almost like a map of what
[6:11] that person has gone through in this
[6:13] current life uh some might even say
[6:16] previous lifetimes but also what they're
[6:18] uh
[6:19] not necessarily just destined to do but
[6:21] what their soul yearns to do in this
[6:24] life form so sometimes we're working
[6:26] with the physical aspect so we are
[6:28] touching um
[6:29] certain vertebrae or certain points in
[6:32] in the actual spine to release the
[6:34] tension and we're doing it either in a
[6:36] really light way or in a way that's even
[6:38] off the body in certain different
[6:39] energetic fields of that person's
[6:41] blueprint
[6:42] and so by i guess aligning and releasing
[6:46] what no longer serves that person so a
[6:48] lot of our clients are either stuck in
[6:50] the past or stuck in the future and very
[6:52] similar to kind of a meditation practice
[6:54] we're trying to bring them into the
[6:55] present moment and in order to be
[6:57] aligned and be present there has to be a
[7:00] change in the body of what's
[7:03] what's holding them back from that level
[7:05] and so that's what's releasing and
[7:07] sometimes you'll see people uh releasing
[7:09] in a different way and that means it's
[7:11] different things that's actually moving
[7:13] through the body so sometimes it is an
[7:15] emotional trauma sometimes you'll see
[7:17] people crying sometimes you'll see
[7:19] people screaming which might be you know
[7:21] an anger or a grief response
[7:23] sometimes it's repression sometimes
[7:26] people don't even know what they're
[7:27] releasing
[7:28] sometimes it can be a physical aspect as
[7:30] well there are network cars who do kind
[7:32] of focus on that neck pain and back pain
[7:35] uh
[7:36] uh kind of notion still but for me my
[7:39] clients use more emotional and spiritual
[7:41] aspects and yeah it's amazing to see the
[7:44] difference it's just like you know yoga
[7:46] or a meditation practice when you are
[7:49] connecting to yourself back again and
[7:51] connecting to something larger than
[7:52] yourself it's almost like the choices
[7:55] you make just become different in your
[7:56] life they just become more aligned
[7:58] because your state of consciousness has
[8:00] changed so ultimately what we're
[8:02] changing is states of consciousness
[8:05] okay so you're really coming from a much
[8:07] more energetic perspective and really
[8:09] that whole person so it's not just
[8:11] literally aligning physically but you're
[8:14] really coming and treating
[8:15] on every single different level and i
[8:18] imagine that really comes through
[8:20] conversation with your client at the
[8:21] start which i know i've experienced with
[8:23] you
[8:24] and then just having that total body
[8:27] approach and also imagine what actually
[8:29] happens when you actually get them on
[8:30] the table as well does that do
[8:33] you actually feel the energy of what's
[8:34] going on with them at that point
[8:37] yeah so
[8:38] every layer is different and i just work
[8:40] with whatever layer is presenting at the
[8:41] time
[8:42] and that layer may feel different or
[8:46] have a different sensation to it
[8:47] depending on what its resonance is
[8:49] related to so if it's related to say an
[8:53] anger or um
[8:55] resentment or something like that it's
[8:57] gonna feel far more dense
[8:59] uh if it's related to something um
[9:02] where they've had
[9:04] you know it could be anything like joy
[9:06] in their lives you can also feel that in
[9:08] the field as well but we kind of work in
[9:10] the areas that are working well and so
[9:13] what i try to do is i try to find where
[9:15] the most energy richness areas are so
[9:17] where they are aligned already and i
[9:19] feed more energy into those areas and as
[9:22] a result the body then alters the other
[9:24] areas rather than me trying to feel
[9:26] blockages or stagnation or resistance i
[9:29] will go to the areas that have ease and
[9:31] welcoming energy already to them and
[9:33] already where they are in alignment by
[9:35] feeding more into that the body can then
[9:38] unwind the resistance and tension in
[9:40] those other areas so it's kind of a
[9:42] different approach in that regard as
[9:44] well
[9:45] i love that i actually didn't know that
[9:47] at all that you really focused on that
[9:49] and i think that's such a beautiful way
[9:50] of coming from it it's like it's almost
[9:52] like positive psychology isn't it like
[9:54] working with what's going well rather
[9:56] than working what's not going well and
[9:58] yeah continuing to build that
[10:01] uh rather than focusing on what's not
[10:03] going so right that that neck that
[10:05] actually naturally changes yeah
[10:07] definitely because the body's done it
[10:09] for a reason
[10:10] you know so i i really honor that that
[10:13] idea that if the body has gone into
[10:15] protective mode or has misaligned or
[10:18] created tension in fascia or connective
[10:21] tissue or whatever it might be it's done
[10:23] that for a purpose everything in the
[10:25] body is purposeful it's not up to me to
[10:28] alter that but what is that to me is to
[10:30] facilitate the safety and the context
[10:32] for the person on the table so that
[10:34] could be something that they're
[10:35] protecting themselves from that happened
[10:37] you know 20 years ago we don't need to
[10:39] hold on to that still in the body so
[10:41] we're giving the body permission to
[10:43] create ease in those areas again still
[10:45] while learning from that experience but
[10:47] no longer um
[10:49] in that time warp where it happened
[10:51] where they feel as though it's happened
[10:53] yesterday rather than 20 years ago we
[10:55] bring context and safety to the body and
[10:57] then the body's able to regulate
[10:59] emotions are able to regulate and that
[11:01] person's able to step into the present
[11:03] moment
[11:04] yeah beautiful
[11:05] and
[11:06] obviously there's confidentiality but
[11:08] what kind of transformations have you
[11:10] seen in your clients lives like is there
[11:13] any can you give any specific examples
[11:16] oh there's been so many um we've had you
[11:19] know all different things we've had
[11:20] things from physical aspects where for
[11:22] example clients have gone down the
[11:24] traditional route and they couldn't find
[11:26] anything necessarily wrong with the
[11:28] client they've had all these scans
[11:30] they've had all these blood tests
[11:31] they've had all these things um and
[11:33] they're just being told everything's
[11:34] fine everything's normal so a lot of the
[11:36] time clients will then try something a
[11:38] bit different or alternative
[11:40] and they might come and see us and we
[11:42] can feel tension in other areas of their
[11:45] body that you know maybe um the western
[11:48] realm can't necessarily explain yet um
[11:51] the tools that we have so we have people
[11:54] from all sorts of physical symptoms from
[11:55] like gut issues to sleep issues to um
[11:59] uh you know
[12:00] psychogenic things especially like
[12:02] fibromyalgia or um psychogenic seizures
[12:05] things like that are trauma related as
[12:07] well we really have a great response in
[12:09] that regard to
[12:11] definitely pain as well if the pain is
[12:13] related to psychological build up in the
[12:16] person system as well we seem to think
[12:18] that pain can only come from physical
[12:20] level
[12:22] whereas in fact it takes a lot of
[12:24] layering of um
[12:26] tension building and building to
[12:27] possibly get that physical pain but it's
[12:29] come from an emotional aspect
[12:32] so we get a lot of great results in that
[12:33] regard too but just people feeling
[12:36] calmer
[12:38] people feeling more connected to
[12:39] themselves people
[12:40] you know quitting jobs that they know
[12:42] haven't been right for them for
[12:44] 10 years people changing friendships or
[12:48] changing relationships or even just
[12:50] enhancing what they already have and
[12:52] changing their perspective on these
[12:54] things possibly instead so it becomes
[12:57] much more of a life
[12:59] altering alignment rather than just what
[13:02] they come for initially definitely and
[13:05] you know we can't uh exactly say what
[13:07] changes people are going to have it's
[13:09] unique to the individual um
[13:11] but yeah it's it's a beautiful um
[13:15] practice and a lot of people come just
[13:18] for lifestyle reasons they come because
[13:21] it's part of their self-care routine
[13:23] it's part of their uh you know um like
[13:26] brushing their teeth or going to a yoga
[13:27] class or going to a meditation class or
[13:30] whatever it becomes part of their
[13:31] spiritual hygiene to release the tension
[13:34] that they're building um especially
[13:37] you know if they've had a challenging
[13:38] week at work or um challenging
[13:40] relationship things come up they might
[13:42] come and then they get to release it on
[13:44] the table and it gives them permission
[13:45] to
[13:46] to sort through that stuff in a
[13:48] different way and and have the support
[13:50] and guidance of the practitioner um and
[13:53] it's quite a cathartic feeling as well
[13:55] when you're releasing it physically
[13:57] emotionally and mentally through the
[13:58] body um and energetically it's it's it's
[14:01] a feeling that um
[14:03] people
[14:04] tend to feel is um
[14:07] like a remembering of this movement it's
[14:10] it's quite strange it feels so natural
[14:12] yet a lot of people didn't know that we
[14:13] could do it
[14:15] yeah it feels like a real clearing and
[14:17] giving permission
[14:18] uh
[14:19] for ourselves just to release what we're
[14:21] holding but also to bring in changes
[14:24] in our own lives as well
[14:27] definitely i actually heard you mention
[14:29] on another podcast then in general that
[14:31] your clients
[14:33] uh say that they
[14:34] in general they want to be happy and
[14:36] peaceful
[14:37] and i find that with my own clients it's
[14:39] a little bit like the uh like a meta
[14:41] practice like love and kindness like
[14:43] needs to almost be happy and well
[14:46] right most of the time
[14:49] people look for what's going on in the
[14:50] outside to change where it's what
[14:52] happens on the inside that actually
[14:54] really shapes us
[14:56] where you know most people are looking
[14:58] outside that if the outside shifts well
[15:00] then i'll be happy
[15:02] so i was wondering if you could speak to
[15:04] that a little bit and about how people
[15:06] can begin to find that internal
[15:09] happiness and peace
[15:10] yeah well i think most people get to a
[15:13] point where they realize that the
[15:14] external doesn't work
[15:16] you know they they've done all the
[15:18] things on their checklist that they've
[15:19] been told is supposed to make you be a
[15:21] happy successful human from our western
[15:24] social construct and they do the things
[15:26] or don't do the things and they're still
[15:28] not happy um but it's that whole idea of
[15:31] consumerism and if we get more and be
[15:33] more and
[15:34] have more then we'll be happier and it's
[15:36] really only a you know a western
[15:38] philosophy that that's the case and
[15:40] that's why most westerners probably are
[15:43] the most unhappy in the world out of a
[15:44] lot of other cultures you know we're in
[15:47] a very privileged society where we're
[15:49] having more and have more access to
[15:51] things that we've never had before in
[15:54] lifetimes and it's still where we're
[15:56] probably
[15:58] yeah less connected to ourselves than
[15:59] others than we've ever been um and so
[16:02] when you do get to see other cultures
[16:04] you know when i've traveled around the
[16:05] world and i've traveled through the east
[16:07] and southeast quite a lot you just see
[16:09] people so happy with so little
[16:12] and you and they're genuinely happy uh
[16:15] not just you know like our idea of
[16:17] social media happy um like genuinely
[16:19] happy people and and they're happy
[16:21] because they don't necessarily have much
[16:23] they have all their needs met in terms
[16:26] of um you know basic survival and food
[16:28] and and shelter and safety but
[16:31] they're happy because they're connected
[16:32] to the people around them they're happy
[16:34] because they know themselves they know
[16:35] the people around them
[16:37] they have love they have
[16:39] uh true connection and true uh
[16:42] uh
[16:43] i guess that's
[16:45] that's where we lose it in the west we
[16:47] we have a lot of lost connections um
[16:49] whereas they're they just they don't
[16:51] want for anything they go internal they
[16:53] they are happy in the present they're
[16:55] not always future focused or goal
[16:57] focused um
[16:59] it becomes a simple life and i think a
[17:01] lot of us say we want to be happy and
[17:03] peaceful but we don't really kind of
[17:05] take steps that are congruent with what
[17:07] actually that means um and
[17:10] you know
[17:11] i think that's probably something that
[17:13] we all need to be aware of and this work
[17:15] kind of helps connect the dots of that a
[17:17] little bit more and get people to look
[17:20] at themselves and examine themselves and
[17:22] and
[17:23] why they way they why they are the way
[17:25] they are and why they do what they do
[17:27] and
[17:28] um bring a little bit more
[17:30] of sense to that so that they can become
[17:32] the person that they actually want to be
[17:34] and who they are before they were told
[17:36] to be who they are and uh build you know
[17:39] quality connections not necessarily
[17:41] quantity
[17:42] um and
[17:44] you know maybe have a job that's
[17:45] purposeful maybe it doesn't earn as much
[17:47] money but they they're bringing purpose
[17:49] and meaning into their life where our
[17:51] priorities need to alter um internally
[17:54] before the external will match and and
[17:56] that's something that i think most of us
[17:58] are working on
[18:00] absolutely
[18:01] i um
[18:03] i did quite a bit of study into
[18:05] happiness not so long ago and basically
[18:08] once our basic needs are met
[18:11] anything above that doesn't necessarily
[18:14] make us happy once we've had that basic
[18:16] need and i love that you really compared
[18:18] that to what you saw you know in asian
[18:20] culture
[18:22] move a lot more simply and we
[18:24] have just we we've lost our compass in
[18:26] some ways i think in the west and so
[18:29] coming back
[18:30] and finding that and
[18:32] learning about what makes us happy and
[18:34] learning what gives us
[18:36] a sense of peace and connecting to that
[18:39] both ourselves connecting to ourselves i
[18:41] think we've lost that connection with
[18:43] ourselves
[18:44] but also the connections around us we i
[18:47] think even
[18:48] like these last few years have made it
[18:50] even worse i think because we've lost
[18:52] even more connection but
[18:54] beginning to be able to to be able to
[18:57] bring that back is just so important
[19:01] it really is and i think i can't
[19:02] remember the study but there's some
[19:04] study where they've they've realized
[19:05] something once you earn over 70 000 or
[19:08] something like that there's actually no
[19:09] alteration in happiness so you know we
[19:12] you just have to look at you know what
[19:14] we perceive to be successful the famous
[19:17] celebrities you know they should be
[19:18] happy they have everything and they're
[19:20] not happy because they have everything
[19:22] um it doesn't work that way we think
[19:26] we have this false idea that once we
[19:29] have everything we want or we are
[19:31] everything we need to be to be accepted
[19:33] then happiness follows and it's really
[19:35] about getting to know who you are
[19:38] and getting to know yourself and and
[19:40] what you enjoy and not just you know
[19:42] becoming a lawyer because that's what
[19:44] you think you should do or getting
[19:46] married at 29 because you know who knows
[19:50] what might happen if you're 39 and
[19:52] single and not married or you know even
[19:54] though we have come a long way there's
[19:56] still a lot of these social constructs
[19:58] um
[19:59] where you know if you're not doing the
[20:00] norm um you're not doing it right and
[20:04] but not many people are actually happy
[20:06] and so for me i don't look at success as
[20:08] what people have i look at success from
[20:10] how much joy the person has how much
[20:12] peace the person has in their life that
[20:14] to me is a successful person
[20:17] so you have to really kind of uh delve
[20:20] into
[20:21] what you think makes some
[20:24] happiness uh i guess real for you and
[20:27] and yeah that's why i was so interested
[20:29] into buddhist culture and and um hindu
[20:32] culture and all that idea of um
[20:35] having having faith and beliefs in
[20:37] something larger than yourself and
[20:38] connection to something larger than
[20:40] yourself but also the ability to have
[20:42] this uh self-inquiry that actually
[20:46] for me helped me be more of who i am on
[20:49] this planet
[20:51] so
[20:52] sarah jane if you don't mind getting a
[20:53] little more personal i'd love to know
[20:55] what you've had to heal in your life and
[20:57] how you've gone about doing that
[20:59] oh lots of things how much time do you
[21:01] have
[21:04] um look i've had a very interesting life
[21:07] a very colorful tapestry of life
[21:09] um with a lot of
[21:12] experiences on all different levels that
[21:14] i think
[21:15] have helped alter me in a way that bring
[21:18] brings me closer to who i'm meant to be
[21:20] i'm very comfortable in who i am i'm
[21:22] very happy in who i am um
[21:24] and
[21:26] that hasn't come easily overnight either
[21:28] there's been a lot of things that i have
[21:30] gone through in life from you know being
[21:32] diagnosed with ptsd and cptsd and
[21:36] add and ocd and
[21:40] i had fibromyalgia at one point and
[21:42] psychogenic seizures at one point and a
[21:44] lot of um
[21:46] different uh personal traumas that have
[21:48] happened in my life to alter my
[21:50] physiology my system and also uh myself
[21:54] emotionally and mentally and physically
[21:56] in in the end which is why i learned so
[21:59] much about the body and somatics and
[22:01] uh
[22:02] you know i was doing all this amazing
[22:04] talk therapy my first you know degree
[22:06] was psychology and philosophy
[22:08] and then i went back and studied applied
[22:09] science and clinical science in terms of
[22:11] my chiropractic but i always had a large
[22:14] interest in uh
[22:16] you know the human brain the humans and
[22:18] why they are the way that they are
[22:20] and so psychology really helped me
[22:22] encapsulate that but also
[22:24] i was i was seeing my psychologist and
[22:27] studying psychology and i was learning
[22:29] so much
[22:30] rationally and i understood a lot more
[22:32] from that side of my brain um but things
[22:34] weren't changing within my system still
[22:37] um it helped me bring story and words
[22:40] and and that helped with my healing um
[22:43] but for me there needed to be more which
[22:46] is why i started going down the
[22:47] trans-personal psychotherapy kind of
[22:49] route where they brought in you know
[22:51] joseph campbell's work a hero's journey
[22:53] and this idea of like a dark night of
[22:55] the soul and because i i did go through
[22:58] a lot in my life and
[23:00] you know
[23:01] and that's just touching on the surface
[23:02] there's been a lot more in regards to
[23:05] that um but
[23:06] for me i've used every
[23:08] experience that could be considered
[23:11] uh
[23:12] negative or
[23:15] you know
[23:16] heart-wrenching and soul-changing
[23:18] experiences to rebuild myself in a way
[23:21] that's closer to who i who i really am
[23:23] and who i want to be
[23:25] and i think that's what we have to do in
[23:27] life we have to have less expectations
[23:30] of how we think life should be um and be
[23:33] happy with uh how it is and trust that
[23:36] it has happened
[23:38] not necessarily for a reason in the
[23:40] sense that everything's great and you're
[23:41] only gonna have positive things that
[23:43] happen i don't believe that um but i do
[23:46] believe that the things uh that we might
[23:48] perceive to be bad can sometimes really
[23:51] ultimately possibly have a a greater
[23:54] aspect of um
[23:56] you know
[23:58] connecting to consciousness within
[24:00] ourselves or or connecting to something
[24:02] larger than who we are uh that doesn't
[24:04] get given to you unless you have gone to
[24:06] the depths of the mud you know um and
[24:09] you do have to
[24:11] delve deep into those aspects to to get
[24:14] access to
[24:15] uh i believe um
[24:17] the beauty of of happiness and joy and
[24:19] real life in terms of a meaningful and
[24:22] purposeful life um and for me it's
[24:25] changed over the years we change life
[24:27] changes
[24:28] um and it's become a lot more simpler
[24:30] now that i've gotten a bit older you
[24:32] know just simple pleasures for me um
[24:35] you know spending time with people i
[24:37] care about telling people i care about
[24:39] that i do care about them um
[24:42] you know having cups of tea
[24:44] you know close friends close family
[24:47] just
[24:49] enjoying a really peaceful non-dramatic
[24:51] life and and trying to learn the best i
[24:54] can from
[24:55] from
[24:56] experiences and i'm sure you've heard
[24:57] that story of what's good or bad um in
[24:59] terms of that that zen um
[25:02] story of when this man's son broke his
[25:06] leg off a horse and everyone in the
[25:07] village came around and said oh no like
[25:09] that's so bad that he broke his leg and
[25:11] then
[25:12] he said well it might be it might be
[25:13] good or bad and then uh the next week or
[25:16] so that he was supposed to be sent to
[25:18] war because the country was going to war
[25:20] and he didn't have to go because he had
[25:21] broken legs and people like oh wow
[25:24] that's so amazing and it's this idea
[25:26] that we
[25:26] we label something as good or bad um
[25:30] when in fact we actually don't know
[25:31] whether it where whether it will be and
[25:34] so for me i
[25:35] i try to take
[25:37] um
[25:38] things
[25:39] in a way that's
[25:40] without that labeling and just come to
[25:43] that idea of acceptance and also that
[25:45] life sometimes isn't fair and life
[25:47] doesn't always work out with butterflies
[25:49] and rainbows but that doesn't mean um
[25:52] that life's not beautiful still
[25:55] yeah it's always been my experience if i
[25:57] look back on my own life very similar to
[26:00] you i've had a lot of things happen and
[26:02] i
[26:03] i look back at them all and they've been
[26:05] those pivot points they've been the
[26:07] things that have actually changed and
[26:09] created what i have in my life now like
[26:11] i wouldn't be where i was without having
[26:13] to go
[26:14] to those depths so yeah you could look
[26:16] at it at the time as
[26:18] this is not pleasant this is
[26:20] heartbreaking this is incredibly
[26:22] difficult however that has actually
[26:25] given me what i have today and i
[26:26] wouldn't have it without it
[26:28] no
[26:29] i love that story of
[26:31] and really taking
[26:33] the labels out i haven't heard of it
[26:35] described quite that way of taking real
[26:38] bad out of it and i really enjoyed uh
[26:40] that little story to be able to step
[26:42] back i've always loved the saying and
[26:46] you may have heard of this too that
[26:48] everything is here for us
[26:51] good the bad it's all it's all there so
[26:53] and again even if you take the labels
[26:55] out we're talking
[26:56] just seeing everything that comes in our
[26:58] life as as being some part of our growth
[27:02] and our learning that's how
[27:04] we move forward that's how we go to the
[27:06] depths and we learn what we need to do
[27:08] we we learn what makes us happy
[27:10] and
[27:12] then we also can come back to those
[27:14] simple pleasures like what you said
[27:16] i was thinking back to when i was in my
[27:20] you know mid to late 20s and i was so
[27:22] content i was actually
[27:24] very happy in my life but i thought that
[27:25] was boring at the time
[27:29] yeah that doesn't really make you so
[27:31] happy either
[27:33] we need balance you know
[27:37] yeah it's so interesting like but no one
[27:40] in this field of work really has had a
[27:42] simple
[27:43] or easy kind of life you know that's why
[27:45] we're in this realm
[27:47] um and you know we all have a story and
[27:51] i think
[27:52] we just
[27:53] we just forget we i think a lot of it
[27:55] has to do with childhood as well where
[27:57] we've got these expectations of how we
[27:58] think life's just going to be this
[28:00] easy you know thing like you just grow
[28:03] up you have a family you have kids and
[28:05] then you know like um and when you've
[28:07] not really gone down that path you start
[28:10] to kind of examine things in a different
[28:11] way and
[28:12] uh and examine what your path is and not
[28:15] just what everyone else's path is and
[28:17] you know i do believe that souls do have
[28:20] different
[28:21] uh reincarnations here on this earth and
[28:24] and my soul has a different experience
[28:26] to other people's um well it's unique to
[28:29] me and and so is yours and so is
[28:31] everyone's and
[28:32] i just have this uh i guess
[28:35] uh i don't know if it's belief or what
[28:37] it is but this idea that i
[28:39] i trust that
[28:42] yeah i trust that
[28:43] absolutely
[28:45] i've always had the the belief that
[28:47] we come here really for a bigger purpose
[28:50] that almost like it's designed before we
[28:52] come in
[28:54] and
[28:54] someone has to be really designed for
[28:58] men to be here for a conventional life
[29:01] no
[29:02] i don't know what i signed but i
[29:03] definitely didn't sign the conventional
[29:05] life thing
[29:07] i don't know i i don't know what i did
[29:10] but i definitely did not sign that
[29:11] contract let me tell you
[29:13] and neither did you i certainly didn't
[29:16] i didn't i had a great analogy actually
[29:20] that was before you uh come on to the
[29:22] earth it's like you you're all waiting
[29:24] at a bus stop
[29:27] and at the bus stop you make these
[29:28] agreements with each other about what
[29:30] you're gonna and what you're gonna go
[29:32] through and who's gonna be that person
[29:34] that you know really triggers you it's
[29:36] like i really wanna learn about growth
[29:38] and you know
[29:39] freedom or and independence so who can
[29:41] help me with that and people go no i
[29:44] don't want to help you look i don't want
[29:45] to help you with that and then
[29:47] please please you know and then they go
[29:49] okay and then you sign you know sign the
[29:51] paper you get on the bus and off you go
[29:54] yeah look i i feel that and you know
[29:57] i've i've
[29:58] had a lot of intense experiences in the
[30:01] short term um like i'm only almost 36 so
[30:04] i feel like i've had a lot of learnings
[30:06] um
[30:07] probably my biggest one was
[30:09] when my mom got sick very quickly um so
[30:12] she's had a very rare brain disease and
[30:14] within 24 hours was in a coma for almost
[30:16] four months and she's brain damaged now
[30:18] she's still with us but she
[30:20] is a very different person and her
[30:21] quality of life is very limited compared
[30:24] to who she was before
[30:25] um but that experience taught me a lot
[30:27] as well in terms of you know we aren't
[30:30] here forever and the people we love
[30:32] aren't here forever and
[30:33] life can change
[30:36] so quickly um and so for me i i really
[30:39] haven't taken much for granted since
[30:41] then i really think every day is
[30:43] precious and
[30:44] uh you know and that doesn't mean life
[30:46] is is easy you know life can still be
[30:48] really painful for me and for lots of
[30:50] people um but
[30:52] it's
[30:54] i've got a deeper sense of just wanting
[30:56] to do what i want to do
[30:59] in this life and if i want to go
[31:00] somewhere i'm going if i want to do
[31:02] something i'd do it if i don't i don't
[31:04] um whereas before you know i had a
[31:06] different perspective on that and so i
[31:08] think
[31:09] you know
[31:10] life has our greatest teachers
[31:12] associated um with our hardest events
[31:15] sometimes and that's not to say that you
[31:16] only learn from challenging events but
[31:18] for me my favorite people that i've
[31:20] encountered in this earth are people who
[31:22] have gone through
[31:24] depths of darkness that are just
[31:25] unbelievable and
[31:27] relentless you know um and those people
[31:30] are my favorite people because they it's
[31:32] like you look at them and you see that
[31:34] you just recognize each other you just
[31:36] recognized each other and and for me
[31:38] those are the people i like to surround
[31:40] myself with
[31:42] yeah
[31:43] actually you mentioned something within
[31:45] that that
[31:47] and i'd be interested to know your
[31:49] opinion which is really this
[31:50] juxtaposition of finding joy
[31:53] even when we're in a challenge or on a
[31:56] healing journey because it's like the
[31:58] layers of an onion really isn't it
[32:00] things are always rising to the surface
[32:03] if we're paying attention
[32:04] uh so that we can continue to grow
[32:07] so how do you see those things existing
[32:10] simultaneously
[32:12] well everything does doesn't it you know
[32:14] it's the duality of nature
[32:16] you know you you can feel more than one
[32:19] thing at once as well so you can
[32:20] actually
[32:21] feel sad but happy it's it's i think
[32:24] we're kind of taught that um you only uh
[32:26] one thing or the other but life's not
[32:28] black and white we aren't black and
[32:30] white we're so intricate
[32:31] you know so we don't we don't have to be
[32:33] just one thing or feel one thing or do
[32:35] one thing we can be far more expansive
[32:38] than that and i think it's a disservice
[32:40] to who we are as human beings and our
[32:42] our capabilities and our wisdom within
[32:45] us to think that we can only fit in
[32:47] these perfect little constructed boxes
[32:49] that we have decided that we should be
[32:52] um and life just doesn't work that way
[32:55] um and so sometimes it's a perspective
[32:58] change and you've got to look at things
[33:00] and and and think well you know maybe
[33:02] this hasn't gone the way i want it to be
[33:04] or how i expected it to be or this hurts
[33:06] and this is painful but
[33:08] you know using my mum as an example i i
[33:10] still had you know
[33:12] 68 years with with my mother that a lot
[33:15] of people don't get and that's not to
[33:16] paint this toxic positivity or
[33:18] gratefulness idea on it it's not um but
[33:21] i did i got 68 years with with my best
[33:24] friend
[33:25] that's a long time not everyone gets
[33:27] that um so as much as it's a painful
[33:30] thing that i got 68 years and not you
[33:32] know what i would have liked which is a
[33:33] hundred years
[33:34] um when i really examined it the idea of
[33:37] it it was i never would have been ready
[33:39] for my mum to go
[33:41] i never would have been ready for it um
[33:44] and and when i say go the person i knew
[33:46] go and
[33:48] it's
[33:50] it's something that
[33:52] we just have to realize that we are so
[33:54] significant yet insignificant all at the
[33:57] same time
[33:58] and that's just another duality of life
[34:01] yeah
[34:02] it's that that real thing you said
[34:04] earlier too that everything can change
[34:05] in an instant and
[34:08] being available to
[34:10] the present moment and recognizing that
[34:12] you did have this incredible time with
[34:13] your mum
[34:15] and
[34:16] it's not painting that like everything
[34:19] has to be joy all the time but how how
[34:21] beautiful that you actually had that
[34:23] experience and that you can take
[34:25] that that with you into the future and
[34:27] i'm sure everything not only that you
[34:29] learnt through her
[34:30] going through
[34:32] what she's gone through
[34:33] but also what you actually learned from
[34:36] her to begin with as well
[34:38] yeah and and you know
[34:40] for me it's it may be a bit of a coping
[34:43] mechanism to a degree but for me to get
[34:45] through that grieving process i had to
[34:47] eventually look at
[34:49] the beauty in it
[34:50] because i didn't i didn't there's a
[34:52] choice i didn't want to be sad and be
[34:53] miserable and there's a lot of things
[34:55] that i could have been sad and miserable
[34:56] in my life for for a very long time
[34:59] um
[35:00] and that's not to say that there's
[35:01] anything wrong with that but for me it's
[35:03] not in my nature i you know
[35:06] um it goes against who i am and who i
[35:09] want to be and so i i stayed with those
[35:12] processes i allowed them to come through
[35:13] me and move through it and
[35:15] and you know sometimes it's still a
[35:17] daily thing sometimes there are
[35:18] triggering moments that occur or
[35:20] you know i'll see a mother and daughter
[35:22] holding hands down the street and it
[35:23] will bring something up within me but
[35:26] i look at that and i examine that and i
[35:28] don't just push it down or push it away
[35:30] it's it's all opportunity it's all
[35:32] opportunity it's all teachings and
[35:34] you know i love to learn
[35:36] i i i've studied you know 12 years of my
[35:39] life at university i love to learn
[35:41] there's only the idea where it's painful
[35:43] that i don't like to learn and i think
[35:45] that's
[35:46] what what would i be as a human being if
[35:48] i only ever experience joy all the time
[35:50] it would be pointless that's not the
[35:52] experience um
[35:54] and so you can't sign up for just one
[35:56] thing you've got to sign up for the
[35:57] whole experience and um for me with the
[36:00] kind of human being
[36:02] that
[36:03] i've aspired to be
[36:05] those people have gone through
[36:07] really challenging things and
[36:10] and so i just had to look um for other
[36:12] people around me uh that
[36:15] you know whether it was people i knew or
[36:17] didn't know um as role models to help me
[36:19] get through that time and and do so with
[36:21] grace you know
[36:22] um there's a way to handle these things
[36:24] where
[36:25] it's an opportunity to better who you
[36:27] are and and better yourself um and
[36:30] that's what i believe my mum would have
[36:32] wanted and i believe that
[36:33] um i wanted for myself more importantly
[36:38] you said something key there which i
[36:39] think is really
[36:41] important which is the word choice
[36:44] we have a choice with how we move
[36:46] forward in our lives when these really
[36:48] difficult periods happen to us do we
[36:50] stay in the mud and we do actually
[36:53] actually have to process it like it's
[36:55] really important that we sit with our
[36:56] feelings and not just bypass it and push
[36:59] it away and
[37:00] [Music]
[37:01] obviously gets really stored down in our
[37:03] system but also the tools to grow and to
[37:06] learn and to and to move forward with it
[37:09] and like you say your mum would have
[37:11] wanted you to be happy and to be
[37:13] positive and you know feeling good as
[37:15] you go forward but also to take those
[37:18] lessons that you have learned throughout
[37:20] throughout you know any difficult period
[37:22] in your life
[37:23] um
[37:24] to keep going and i think that's
[37:26] something that
[37:28] we can begin to recognize
[37:30] well as practitioners or anybody any any
[37:34] anybody that we have
[37:35] that ability to
[37:38] be going through a difficult period but
[37:39] we can also choose to find uh happiness
[37:43] um and joy and and peace within it or at
[37:47] least after a period of after a period
[37:49] of time it's so important and that's you
[37:52] know my did my post-graduate studies in
[37:54] buddhism and
[37:55] you know i i really admire
[37:59] uh the buddhists
[38:01] i guess approach to happiness and
[38:03] approach to challenging things and for
[38:05] me
[38:06] um
[38:07] it just helps me make sense and make
[38:09] meaning out of some things that were
[38:10] hard and with the kind of work that i do
[38:13] as well i i can't do what i do and
[38:15] facilitate what i do for others and not
[38:17] have experienced a lot of what they have
[38:19] gone through a lot of what people have
[38:21] gone through and a lot of the time the
[38:23] clients that i get are reflections of
[38:25] who i am
[38:26] um and who i've been and who i'm
[38:28] becoming um but yes
[38:30] my clients are just reflections of parts
[38:32] of me and a lot of the time i feel like
[38:34] i can connect to them so well or they
[38:36] feel connected to me so instantly
[38:39] because there's an understanding of what
[38:41] that is
[38:42] of what that pain is and so with what i
[38:45] facilitate it just
[38:48] it had to be a colorful life
[38:51] absolutely i totally resonate with that
[38:54] as well
[38:55] like to be able to meet your clients
[38:58] where they're at we have to have had
[38:59] some degree of experience because we
[39:02] need to come from a place of having gone
[39:04] through it ourselves
[39:05] and i guess that's the wisdom that comes
[39:07] through
[39:09] having gone through through challenge
[39:11] and difficulty
[39:12] yeah and and
[39:14] you know
[39:15] it's for me a lot of it was expectation
[39:17] that life should be a certain way and
[39:19] once i let go of that my life just
[39:21] became easier um but yeah i had a lot of
[39:25] um insight from you know i did a lot of
[39:28] passion is when i was going through this
[39:29] challenging time i really had a
[39:31] dedicated meditation practice i yoga was
[39:34] a huge part of my life um
[39:36] all these other things and the work that
[39:38] i do has been a huge part of my healing
[39:40] journey which is one of the reasons i
[39:41] wanted to study to become the kind of
[39:43] chiropractor that i am uh because the
[39:47] the healing that i have received from it
[39:50] um has been life-changing and i wanted
[39:52] to be able to change other people's
[39:53] lives in that way
[39:55] yeah i uh that reminds me i saw in your
[39:58] bio that you typed into a job search the
[40:02] word meaning you were looking for what
[40:04] you wanted to do in your life i loved
[40:06] that that was just so great
[40:08] how corny is that
[40:11] why not
[40:14] i didn't have to go to the himalayas i
[40:15] didn't have to
[40:17] just go to google yeah just go to google
[40:19] and it worked you know
[40:21] but that's the other thing like um a lot
[40:24] of the life changing like life direction
[40:26] moments in my life have been
[40:28] things that
[40:30] aren't necessarily like these huge
[40:32] conscious choices you know there haven't
[40:34] been these major epiphanies they've been
[40:36] little trickles of just listening to my
[40:39] um inner guidance or inner nudges to go
[40:42] towards a certain direction and that
[40:44] i've listened to and that has led to
[40:45] these changes i've i've never had this
[40:47] huge
[40:48] epiphany of anything um that some people
[40:51] get you know i went to india waiting to
[40:53] be like you know hit with some kind of
[40:56] you know
[40:57] and not that it wasn't soul changing or
[40:59] spiritually changing it definitely was
[41:01] but i was like waiting for this epiphany
[41:02] and then you know i went to lao and
[41:04] cambodia and vietnam and thailand and
[41:07] all these countries waiting for this
[41:09] epiphany and life doesn't necessarily
[41:10] work that way you know just be open to
[41:12] receiving all the little um
[41:15] nudges or little whispers that you hear
[41:17] and get and keep working towards that
[41:19] and and i think that's when you get to
[41:21] know yourself and
[41:22] and also be curious and also have the
[41:24] courage to listen to the voices and
[41:26] listen to the messages you're receiving
[41:29] that's such a big thing isn't it because
[41:31] we don't often i mean i certainly
[41:33] haven't had that like you know lightning
[41:35] bolt moment either
[41:36] i haven't sat in meditation and somehow
[41:39] i mean i've certainly had little seeds
[41:40] of ideas but it's not like i've suddenly
[41:42] sat there and being like ah in life
[41:46] i haven't got that one yet either i
[41:48] haven't got that one yet but those tiny
[41:50] little things
[41:52] i i love what you said about having the
[41:54] courage really to take action on them to
[41:56] just to keep moving forward and to keep
[41:58] making those steps and somehow we
[42:00] we keep we find that not necessarily a
[42:03] destination but it takes us to the next
[42:06] step of our journey
[42:08] it definitely does and i think that's
[42:11] things aren't always
[42:13] super clear and we don't always know if
[42:15] we're making the right decision you know
[42:18] um but you have to have the courage to
[42:20] listen and to not necessarily make sense
[42:22] of it
[42:23] you know
[42:24] if there's something within you that's
[42:26] telling you
[42:27] hey
[42:28] this isn't right or this is right or
[42:30] whatever it is there they have to be
[42:32] your inner compass but you have to be
[42:34] able to connect to that part of you and
[42:35] i think a lot of us are disconnected
[42:37] from that part of us
[42:39] um and that's kind of
[42:40] why i do what i do as well to reconnect
[42:42] the mind and body and the person to to
[42:44] who they are and to connecting back to
[42:47] that inner voice and and learning to
[42:49] trust themselves you know um and you can
[42:51] only do that by sometimes making
[42:53] mistakes
[42:55] um and that's okay
[42:57] yeah absolutely i think trust is a
[43:00] really big thing and it's actually
[43:01] something that i have to work with a lot
[43:03] of my clients around is actually just
[43:04] beginning to actually trust themselves
[43:06] and to be able to make those decisions
[43:09] and sometimes things will go the way
[43:11] they want and sometimes they won't but
[43:13] not letting that stop them making those
[43:16] move forwards because we learn or maybe
[43:18] it helps us to pivot in a slightly
[43:19] different way that we wouldn't have got
[43:21] to that next decision if we hadn't made
[43:23] the first one oh 100
[43:26] actually just have to keep moving
[43:29] you just yeah that's it and
[43:31] you know um
[43:33] discerning between what's your voice and
[43:35] what's other people's voice within you
[43:38] you
[43:39] know that's a big one too like is that
[43:42] me saying that or does that sound a lot
[43:44] like what my dad used to say or does
[43:46] that sound a lot like what my boss says
[43:48] or you know is it your voice and is it
[43:50] your belief
[43:52] yeah
[43:53] that's a big one isn't it just keeping
[43:54] on coming back and going
[43:56] yeah is is this me or or someone else
[44:00] and we're surrounded by so many
[44:01] different energies and opinions and
[44:03] media just keeping on coming back and
[44:05] just
[44:06] having that self-inquiry
[44:08] yeah definitely and um
[44:11] you know giving yourself time
[44:13] and those those moments to inquire with
[44:15] yourself because i think a lot of us
[44:17] don't actually
[44:18] allow ourselves or have
[44:21] i guess make that a priority to connect
[44:23] with ourselves every day
[44:25] um and i i definitely do when it's
[44:27] something that um i need to do in order
[44:30] to feel
[44:31] um that i am
[44:33] living uh in this life and not just
[44:35] existing within it
[44:37] yeah absolutely me too meditation all
[44:39] the way on that front
[44:41] i am
[44:42] i am a big advocate for meditation i i
[44:45] know that some people disagree with that
[44:46] and don't think that it's uh for
[44:48] everyone and then things like that but
[44:50] um
[44:51] it's hard for me i've got a bit of a
[44:52] biased opinion towards it because it
[44:54] changed my life immensely
[44:56] oh
[44:57] the same for me and
[44:59] look every all things aren't meant for
[45:01] everyone but just having that time to
[45:05] just be quiet and just listen to that
[45:06] inner voice for a little while to every
[45:09] day makes a significant difference i
[45:12] believe
[45:13] perhaps they find it in slightly
[45:15] different ways if if meditation is is
[45:17] not for them
[45:19] exactly
[45:20] so i just wanted to ask a little bit
[45:22] about enlightened because you're a tour
[45:24] de force i've witnessed business grow
[45:27] and
[45:28] thrive and i've also really noticed your
[45:31] drive
[45:32] so i'd love to know a little bit more
[45:34] about your passion for enlightened and
[45:36] what drives that passion although i
[45:38] think you've already answered that but i
[45:40] just love to hear in your own words
[45:42] again
[45:43] yeah i must admit a lot of people have
[45:45] said this to me before that i'm very
[45:47] driven and very determined when it comes
[45:49] to uh the work that i do and i guess the
[45:52] business that i'm creating and and for
[45:54] me i
[45:55] i look at it as just uh
[45:58] it's hard to explain but it's an
[45:59] extension of self er it's an extension
[46:03] of who i am an extension of my purpose
[46:05] of what i was placed here to do and um
[46:08] for me you know
[46:09] it's not work
[46:11] uh it it really is an honor and a
[46:14] privilege to create a space for that's
[46:15] so needed and i guess i'm creating a
[46:18] space that i feel that i needed at a
[46:19] certain point in time um and
[46:22] maybe you know i'm wanting to create
[46:24] that uh safety and where people are
[46:28] you know
[46:29] welcome to be who they are no matter
[46:31] what that is in this space and um
[46:34] and love for who they are
[46:35] unconditionally you know we're not a
[46:37] traditional business uh there's not um
[46:40] anything traditional about it really
[46:42] from the way it looks to the way that
[46:44] it's
[46:45] from the moment you walk in it's it's a
[46:47] it's a unique uh place to be
[46:50] um and we've just tried to create i
[46:52] guess
[46:54] an epitome of energetics for people um
[46:57] to
[46:58] to feel like home
[46:59] to feel like home and bring themselves
[47:01] home to themselves
[47:02] so it's it's definitely growing it's
[47:05] growing more and more every day because
[47:07] that just shows the need for it just
[47:08] shows how how people are yearning for a
[47:11] place to be who they are and to be
[47:13] accepted
[47:14] um and to
[47:15] feel like they can express who they
[47:17] really are
[47:18] in a way that's not judged and um
[47:21] i think that's really the
[47:23] the um crux of the business is that
[47:26] safety and permission
[47:27] and and the rest of the stuff is is uh
[47:30] i guess the icing on the cake
[47:34] yeah
[47:35] and you feel like the minute you walk
[47:36] into the doors of enlightenment i
[47:39] remember the first time i came i came
[47:40] for a computer
[47:42] there was oh that's right
[47:44] and
[47:44] it was just such a
[47:47] really expansive experience it was it
[47:49] was a beautiful experience of what you
[47:50] created but even when i worked there and
[47:53] also if i came in to see you as a client
[47:55] as well just the minute you walk through
[47:58] those doors it's like you feel held and
[48:00] it's
[48:01] so beautiful you've created such a
[48:03] beautiful atmosphere and space and even
[48:05] the people that you hire within that
[48:07] city
[48:08] to greet you in the draw
[48:10] the minute you walk in you just feel so
[48:12] at ease i think
[48:15] and comfortable and safety as you said
[48:18] which is so important creating that
[48:20] space for people to be there
[48:22] um without feeling judged
[48:24] yeah being able to share who they are
[48:27] yeah and just you know um
[48:29] some people when they're coming for
[48:31] their first appointments or even when
[48:32] they're going through something that's
[48:33] super challenging at the time there's a
[48:35] lot of anxiety you know usually leading
[48:37] up to the appointment uh so for us we
[48:39] just wanted to create a space that
[48:41] people just you know wanted to go to
[48:43] um and we have done that we've got a
[48:45] beautiful community we've got people who
[48:47] come into the clinic all the time who
[48:48] don't even have appointments who just
[48:49] sit downstairs or i find them in my
[48:52] kitchen um you know
[48:56] we've all done it you know there's
[48:58] people oh you're down here you know and
[49:00] um it's it's beautiful it's a community
[49:03] um
[49:04] and you know i wanted people to feel
[49:06] like they could come whenever they
[49:07] needed to come and not just when they
[49:08] had an appointment you know to what a
[49:11] privilege to have that space where
[49:13] people feel like they can go there and
[49:15] and you know be with themselves and be
[49:17] supported by the people that they trust
[49:20] um when they need that
[49:22] and for me that's that's why i do what i
[49:24] do and um we have a whole bunch of
[49:26] different clients you know men women
[49:28] different ages different backgrounds
[49:31] it's very vast and even with the
[49:33] practitioners that work in the space
[49:35] they all do different things um
[49:37] but one thing is that we all have um a
[49:40] passion to to help others and to um
[49:44] really
[49:46] you know um
[49:47] have fun as well we all we all have a
[49:49] bit of fun in the clinic too but just
[49:51] create a space of of um lightness
[49:53] connection and um
[49:56] yeah uh
[49:57] safety i suppose
[49:59] i've always felt that as well when i've
[50:01] come in i've always seem to be laughing
[50:03] when i leave yeah or laughing when i
[50:05] can't even kind of real mixture of kind
[50:07] of joy but also
[50:10] getting down to business when we need it
[50:12] yeah yeah so we really um you know
[50:16] we um
[50:18] yeah we just have a beautiful vibe i'm
[50:19] very blessed the people that um
[50:21] work in the clinic and um the clients
[50:24] that we have i i can't complain for one
[50:26] instant
[50:29] so before we finish up sarah i'd love to
[50:31] know if there's one tip that you could
[50:33] leave the listeners with for their own
[50:35] inner healing journey something that
[50:37] they could actually do even today just
[50:39] something small
[50:41] uh that could help them what would you
[50:44] like to leave them with
[50:47] again probably a bit biased but try and
[50:49] find your local network's final
[50:50] chiropractor
[50:51] absolutely yeah i think it's it's been
[50:54] life-changing uh i can't i don't know if
[50:57] i would have got through what i've got
[50:58] through in my life in the way that i did
[51:00] in integrated it as well as i did
[51:02] without network spinal um what i do and
[51:04] what you see on my instagram is a little
[51:06] bit different to what traditional
[51:07] network spinal is it's something that i
[51:09] call spinal energetics which is a course
[51:11] that i'm releasing soon but it's it's
[51:13] basically working with purely the
[51:14] energetic field but um i started with
[51:17] network spinal and uh i think if no
[51:21] matter where you are google your network
[51:22] spinal chiropractor um and give it a go
[51:25] and um
[51:26] let yourself uh
[51:28] be connected back into your body again
[51:31] yeah absolutely and i highly recommend
[51:33] you if and your practitioners i know
[51:36] there's you've got a few people there at
[51:38] lightning both in calista and armadale
[51:40] that you can if you're not available as
[51:43] well
[51:43] yes so
[51:45] everyone go to sarah if you're into
[51:48] we would love to see you
[51:51] um and actually you just mentioned then
[51:53] i just wanted to ask you what you've got
[51:54] coming up i know i'm on the waitlist for
[51:57] an energy course that you're running but
[51:59] i'd love to hear more about what you've
[52:00] got coming up in anything you'd love the
[52:02] listeners to know i'm gonna put all your
[52:04] details in the show notes but in terms
[52:06] of
[52:07] uh
[52:08] what you've got coming up and i'd love
[52:10] to hear
[52:11] yeah so we've got spinal energetics
[52:14] coming up which is a course to learn the
[52:15] work that i do
[52:17] which is really exciting the world's
[52:19] really wanting this kind of practice now
[52:21] so we're we're releasing that soon we're
[52:23] in the pipeline of that it's both
[52:25] face-to-face or purely online so
[52:27] depending on where you are whether
[52:28] you're in melbourne or whether you have
[52:30] the ability to travel to melbourne or
[52:32] whether you're anywhere in the world to
[52:33] be able to learn this technique which is
[52:35] you know really really exciting um we've
[52:38] been doing a lot of events this year so
[52:40] i've been going around to different yoga
[52:41] studios hosting these energetic
[52:44] events you know combined with sound bars
[52:46] and things like that where we've had
[52:48] over you know 60 70 people in the room
[52:50] it's been incredible so my goal is to go
[52:52] around a little bit more this year or
[52:54] next year traveling and doing some you
[52:56] know collaborative things i've got one
[52:58] coming up
[53:00] combining breath work and energetic work
[53:02] as well they both sold out within two
[53:04] days so it's definitely something that
[53:06] people are wanting to experience um but
[53:09] hopefully we'll be doing some pop-ups
[53:11] around australia doing a tour
[53:13] and so no matter where you are hopefully
[53:15] we can see you and you can facilitate
[53:18] this work so um
[53:20] yeah hopefully doing some more traveling
[53:22] now that covert has
[53:23] settled down
[53:25] for the minute well i hope you come back
[53:27] to copy come up to sydney i'd love to
[53:30] come to one of your events if you do it
[53:31] up here yeah i want to so if anyone
[53:34] knows of any great um studios or yoga
[53:37] studios or meditation studios that would
[53:39] be interested in collaborating with me
[53:41] and hosting a space there for me please
[53:43] let me know um otherwise yeah i'll be
[53:45] reaching out soon to some individuals
[53:47] that i think um you know complement the
[53:49] work well and hopefully yeah do a little
[53:51] bit of a traveling tour
[53:53] oh
[53:55] amazing well sarah jane thank you so
[53:59] much for being here with us today it's
[54:01] just been incredible you've shared so
[54:03] much knowledge and i really appreciate
[54:05] you too as well sharing of yourself and
[54:07] some of your own personal journey
[54:09] uh it's really been such a pleasure to
[54:11] have you here and an honor as well to
[54:14] have you here and i'm sure the listeners
[54:16] are going to get so much out of this
[54:17] talk
[54:18] thanks for having me
[54:20] thank you gorgeous