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Inspiration

Mettā Without a Formula: Why Loving-Kindness Gets Stuck

AB
Amaravati Buddhist Monastery
Oct 29, 2026
7 min read

From Amaravati Buddhist Monastery

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On a Sunday afternoon in October, near the close of the Rains retreat, a room at Amaravati Buddhist Monastery in Hertfordshire fills with people who have heard the same chant many times and some who have never heard it at all. The theme was chosen the way Ajahn Amaro says most of the monastery's talk titles are chosen: he does not invent them himself. "I don't think up these titles," he explained at the start. "I collect them from the members of the community and I sort through them and pick out ones that look interesting." This one, Mettā Without a Formula, asks a question that many long-time practitioners quietly carry: what happens when the very structure meant to cultivate loving-kindness starts to work against it? Drawing on years of teaching in the United States and England, Ajahn Amaro treats the classic loving-kindness method as a tool with a particular shape, and he argues that tools with shapes can end up shaping the wrong thing. The talk, given on 18 October 2026 and followed by three questions from the floor, is less a critique of mettā than a close look at the mechanics of the heart.

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What is mettā, and why does the Buddha keep coming back to it?

Ajahn Amaro begins with the basics for newcomers. Mettā is usually rendered as loving-kindness or loving friendliness, and it is one of the principal wholesome qualities the Buddha encouraged people to develop. In the classical Buddhist tradition, particularly across the Theravāda countries of the south, mettā bhāvanā, the cultivation of loving-kindness, is a very common practice, often paired with samatha, the development of calm and collectedness, and vipassanā, the development of insight.

He points to the texts that place mettā at the center of the path. It stands first in the list of the four brahmavihāras, the four sublime abidings, and sits second-to-last among the ten pāramī, the spiritual perfections. The chant most people know, "May I be happy, may I be well, may I abide in well-being," is recited across the Theravāda world, and it is the seed of nearly every guided loving-kindness meditation taught since.

That ubiquity is part of the problem. Because the structure is so familiar, it can start to run on autopilot. Ajahn Amaro is not dismissing the practice. He is asking what the practice has become in the hands of people who repeat it every morning.

How does a loving-kindness formula become an obstacle?

The standard method usually moves outward in stages. You begin with yourself, then extend the wish to your immediate family, then to cousins and grandparents, then to people you know well and like, people you know well and dislike, people who are neutral to you, and finally to strangers. Ajahn Amaro walks through the sequence with affectionate humor, then turns it over to show its hidden cost.

Many teachers then widen the circle to animals, fish, insects, "the many-legged, the no-legged, the tentacled, the finned, the feathered," and onward to invisible beings such as devas, ghosts, Brahmā gods and dragons. "It can end up like a kind of biology lesson," he says, "where you're trying to remember, did I do the fishes yet?" Anyone who has practiced this way will recognize the moment: you are no longer feeling anything toward a being. You are checking a list.

A geographical version has the same problem in a different costume. You begin with the people nearest you in the shrine room, extend to the rows behind, then to everyone on the monastery grounds, then to beings in the surrounding area, and finally to places like Great Gaddesden and Little Gaddesden. Ajahn Amaro describes how the questions multiply, such as where Bedfordshire sits, whether Oxford is actually due west of Amaravati, and where the Channel crossing lands on France. "You get entangled in just the details," he says, "and it's getting in the way of loving-kindness."

"You end up with this 'I hate meta' mentality, because somehow the intention is to cultivate loving-kindness, but the process whereby it's being promoted is getting in the way of the very thing it's intended to produce."

Ajahn Amaro, Sunday talk at Amaravati Buddhist Monastery, 18 October 2026

The phrase "I hate meta" is not a joke he invented. Ajahn Amaro recalls that, while living in America for roughly fifteen years, he heard of a day-long event at a local Buddhist center given under that title. The organizing teacher had found that whenever loving-kindness meditation was on the schedule, it brought up aversion and irritation. The title was meant to catch attention, and it did. It also named a truth that is easy to miss in a culture of ritual: a practice meant to soften the heart can harden it when it is performed as a checklist.

Why does the mechanism matter more than the words?

The deeper point of the talk is that loving-kindness is an emotional quality, and emotional qualities do not respond well to procedures that compete for attention. When your mind is busy remembering the order of the categories, or locating a county on a map, the feeling of goodwill has nowhere to land. Ajahn Amaro extends this to ordinary life. We try to help a family member, a monastery or a wider society, he says, and the way we go about it often produces results that are painful or obstructive, results we only discover later as they come back to us.

This is why he treats the question of method as a question of honesty. A formula can be used with great sincerity and still miss its aim. The skill is in noticing when the scaffolding has begun to replace the building, and in being willing to let the instructions loosen so that the intention can actually do its work.

How does mettā connect to acceptance?

Later in the talk, Ajahn Amaro draws the thread toward acceptance, and this is where his teaching moves from technique into the texture of daily experience. He describes meta as something close to acceptance itself, and he returns repeatedly to the way we respond to discomfort. A twisted ankle, a headache that no amount of effort can dissolve, a body pushing against its own limits: in each case, the instinct is to brush the difficulty off or push it away. Ajahn Amaro's point, as far as the recording makes it clear, is that this reflexive turning-away is itself a lack of acceptance, and that real loving-kindness has to include the unwelcome parts of our experience rather than only the pleasant ones.

This connection reframes the whole problem. If mettā is a way of meeting what is here, then a rigid formula that reaches for distant beings while ignoring the irritation in your own chest has missed the point. The practice starts with the feeling that is actually present, and it extends from there.

What did the questions from the floor reveal?

The talk gave way to a session of questions at roughly the one-hour mark, and the three questions that followed, beginning at 1:03:58, 1:09:13 and 1:25:34 in the recording, show how practical these ideas become for people sitting with them. The pattern is consistent with the main talk: Ajahn Amaro meets each question with patience, returns it to direct experience, and resists the temptation to hand over a new formula in place of the old one. For a listener who has not been present, the lesson is the same as the one he opened with. The point is not to abandon loving-kindness practice. The point is to let it stay alive.

Where to go from here

If this talk has you reconsidering your own practice, start small. Notice the moment when you begin to check a list or count categories, and ask whether a single wish, offered sincerely to one person or one being, would serve you better than a complete tour of creation. Pay attention to the discomfort that arises when mettā is "not working," and treat it as information rather than failure. The full recording and Amaravati's other teachings are available at amaravati.org, under the Teachings menu, and the monastery's event calendar lists the Sunday talks and retreats where Ajahn Amaro's teaching continues.

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[0:17] [music]

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[0:43] [music]

[0:48] [snorts]

[0:50] Not for

[0:58] not

[1:03] sudden.

[1:22] So welcome to everyone who's come to

[1:24] this uh Sunday afternoon talk. Uh this

[1:28] is getting towards the end of the reigns

[1:30] retreat the vasa period. So this just uh

[1:34] this Sunday and next one for our Sunday

[1:36] afternoon talks and then the that

[1:38] program comes to its end. So the theme

[1:41] for today is meta without a formula. So

[1:46] those of you who've been around Buddhist

[1:48] practice for some years, that will make

[1:50] sense. For those of you who just walked

[1:52] into Amirati for the first time today

[1:54] might be wondering what what's that? So

[1:59] uh the uh the word meta means loving

[2:02] kindness or loving friendliness

[2:05] and is one of the say principal um uh

[2:10] wholesome qualities that the Buddha

[2:11] encouraged people to uh to develop.

[2:14] loving kindness um along with with many

[2:17] many others and um in the classical sort

[2:21] of Buddhist tradition you can say

[2:23] certainly in the southern Buddhist world

[2:26] uh loving kindness meditation meta

[2:29] bhavana is a a very very common theme

[2:32] it's a very um much used kind of

[2:35] practice and often uh along with

[2:38] concentration practice and insight

[2:40] practice samata means means calmness

[2:44] concentration, settledness,

[2:46] collectedness, uh vipasana, insight, uh

[2:49] uh the development of wisdom. So loving

[2:52] kindness meditation is often included uh

[2:55] along with um those uh other kinds of

[2:58] meditation practice and uh

[3:02] [clears throat] the the say the the

[3:05] story or the uh the thinking behind that

[3:07] title. Uh and as I often say, I don't

[3:09] think up these titles. I I collect them

[3:11] from the members of the community and I

[3:13] sort through them and uh pick out ones

[3:15] that look interesting. Um so

[3:18] [clears throat] so the uh uh with

[3:19] respect to today's title meta without a

[3:21] formula is a very very often loving

[3:24] kindness meditation is um put forward in

[3:28] a very formulaic way. There's there's

[3:30] standard ways or very classical ways

[3:33] that loving kindness um meditation is is

[3:36] described or is guided and um and so

[3:39] that uh say that structure or that way

[3:44] of teaching loving kindness meditation

[3:46] in a very formulaic or very um say uh uh

[3:52] um specifically crafted way. Some people

[3:55] find that very helpful, some people find

[3:57] it not very helpful. And uh I thought it

[4:00] would be a a good theme to explore for

[4:02] this afternoon. when I was living in the

[4:05] states uh in America for quite a long

[4:07] time about 15 years or so and I remember

[4:10] um I didn't actually attend this event

[4:12] but one of the um uh events at a local

[4:15] Buddhist center um a dayong meditation

[4:18] was under the title I hate meta

[4:21] [laughter]

[4:23] because of the experience that

[4:24] particular dharma teacher had found that

[4:26] that um whenever loving kindness

[4:28] meditation was on was on the menu it

[4:30] would bring up these feelings aversion

[4:32] irritation like ah

[4:35] that uh so it was an attention catching

[4:38] title for a for a day long. So I didn't

[4:42] we didn't choose the title of I hate

[4:43] meta for today but I thought explore the

[4:46] the area.

[4:48] So uh again for those who are not

[4:50] familiar with um these kind of tra uh

[4:53] practices or traditions

[4:56] um so loving kind uh one of the the the

[4:59] chants that we do very very often and um

[5:02] uh is used thoroughly throughout the

[5:05] southern Buddhist world in the terravada

[5:06] countries um is a a recitation of some

[5:10] of the teachings

[5:12] may I may I be happy may I be well may I

[5:14] abide in well-being

[5:17] may May all beings be happy. May all

[5:19] beings be well. Um so forth. And so um

[5:23] that's as I said it's a very very common

[5:25] teaching and and loving kindness is a a

[5:28] an emotional quality highly praised by

[5:31] the Buddha. It's there in in first on

[5:33] the list of the four Brahma viharas, the

[5:36] four sublime abidings or or say um sub

[5:40] refined emotional states. it's there um

[5:43] second to last in in the list of

[5:47] of the 10 parameters the 10 spiritual

[5:49] virtues and and a number of other

[5:51] places. So when meta meditation is

[5:55] described um often um there's a so you

[6:00] start off with having loving kindness to

[6:02] yourself

[6:04] may I be well may I be happy and then uh

[6:07] there uh is a sort of it depends on the

[6:10] on the teacher or the particular

[6:12] structure but it can be start start off

[6:14] with may I be may I be well may I be

[6:16] happy and then your immediate family may

[6:18] my mother my father my sisters my

[6:19] brothers my children uh may they all be

[6:21] well may they be happy. May they be free

[6:23] from suffering. And then my cousins,

[6:25] first cousins, second cousins,

[6:28] grandparents, grandchildren,

[6:30] um going through all the family members.

[6:33] And then um it can go through

[6:36] uh different people that you're

[6:37] associated with, people that you that

[6:39] you know well, people that you know well

[6:41] that you like, people that you know well

[6:42] that you don't like, people that you

[6:44] know that you're indifferent to, um and

[6:47] uh people that you don't know very well.

[6:49] and and so it can be um quite sort of

[6:52] systematic in that way going through uh

[6:54] a kind of categories of relationships.

[6:57] Um uh also then it can go on from the

[7:00] after you finish the humans then you go

[7:02] on to the the the birds and the animals,

[7:04] the fishes, the insects, the the the

[7:06] manylegged, the no-legged, the the

[7:09] tentacled, the the finned, the

[7:11] feathered. And it can end up like a kind

[7:14] of biology lesson, you know, that you're

[7:16] trying to did I did I do the fishes yet

[7:18] or you know where where do the neatodes

[7:21] belong you and so it can get I'm kind of

[7:25] joking not joking it having done this

[7:28] practice myself you can trying to

[7:30] remember where you are where you are in

[7:32] on your list going through all the

[7:34] different categories of of beings and

[7:35] then getting to the invisible beings

[7:37] like davas and and and ghosts and

[7:39] spirits and Brahma gods and dragons and

[7:43] and uh uh pixies and flower davas and so

[7:48] on and so forth. So going through

[7:50] different categories of beings and the

[7:53] um the intention is to be spreading

[7:55] loving kindness but the the actuality of

[7:58] of going through a list and and using

[7:59] your memory and your your thinking

[8:01] faculty in that way it can be something

[8:05] obstructive or obstructive and not very

[8:08] helpful. Um similarly another kind of

[8:11] meta meditation is more geographical.

[8:13] You start off where you are. of may I be

[8:16] happy, may I be well and then may the

[8:18] the people nearest to me in the in the

[8:19] shrine room may

[8:22] tano

[8:24] any fisa

[8:26] ajang kaka may they be well may they be

[8:29] happy and then sort of second row third

[8:31] row fourth row you know everyone here in

[8:33] the shrine room in the silo at Amravati

[8:36] everyone on the campus of Amraati all

[8:37] the beings uh in the in this area the

[8:40] the ones under the ground the ones on

[8:42] the surfaces the ones up in the air May

[8:45] all beings in this area be happy. Then

[8:47] great Gadston, little Gadston, you the

[8:50] decorum, the burrow of decorum and sort

[8:52] of spreading out in a geographical way

[8:55] and and again um uh it's can be done

[9:00] with great sincerity and great and some

[9:01] of you are thinking well yeah that's

[9:02] really good. That's how I've always done

[9:04] meta. What's wrong with that? But in the

[9:06] very process of trying to kind of stay

[9:09] with the geography like where is

[9:11] Bedfordshire?

[9:13] Bedfordshire that's up to and you kind

[9:14] of get get caught up and get tangled in

[9:16] the Yeah. Isn't it interesting Oxford is

[9:19] actually due west of Amraati isn't that

[9:21] No, it can't be. That's right. Look at

[9:23] the map and you know you can get

[9:25] entangled in just the the the details

[9:27] and and then if you cross the channel

[9:30] going south is that where where do you

[9:33] meet France and you know and it's

[9:36] getting in the way of loving kindness

[9:37] you know you're getting uh sort of

[9:39] distracted by the mechanics of that. So

[9:42] I'm kind of making fun of it but also uh

[9:45] pointing out how it becomes not fun and

[9:48] how you end up with this I hate meta

[9:49] mentality because somehow the intention

[9:53] is to cultivate loving kindness but the

[9:55] process whereby it's being sort of

[9:57] promoted or intended is getting in the

[10:00] way of the very thing that it's intended

[10:01] to produce and that that translates into

[10:04] I would say many other areas of our life

[10:07] that we're trying to do something say to

[10:10] help our family or help our monastery,

[10:12] but the very way that you're trying to

[10:13] help your monastery or help your family

[10:14] or help the society um has results that

[10:18] are painful or obstructive or are not

[10:20] helpful at all as as you find out or is

[10:24] is fed back to you.

[10:26] So um uh in this respect um when uh when

[10:32] uh Loato first came to England in the uh

[10:35] in the 1970s he he arrived in May of 77

[10:39] um uh to settle in London. He came to to

[10:43] England with Ajin Sha that year. He

[10:45] visited briefly in 76 um but he came to

[10:49] the invitation of the English Sanger

[10:50] Trust to to settle in uh the Hamstead

[10:53] Vihara in London on Havto Hill and uh he

[10:56] hadn't taught very much in the west

[10:58] before he'd been in America a little bit

[11:00] to visit and he'd been in England for a

[11:01] few days and um so when he uh started

[11:05] teaching in London on a regular basis

[11:06] maybe a few of you were were there at

[11:08] the Hamstead Vihara back in the old days

[11:11] uh I was still a hairy student just down

[11:13] the road in London University at the

[11:15] time. So I lived a mile away from the

[11:17] hamster vihara while I loosed and loocha

[11:20] were there. I had no idea like I was on

[11:22] primrose hill. They were on Havto Hill.

[11:25] Had no idea that literally a mile away

[11:27] there was some this great spiritual

[11:29] resources. Had to go to Thailand to find

[11:32] them.

[11:33] So anyway uh so and and so here is Ajan

[11:37] Sumo doing his best to to uh teach

[11:40] Buddha Buddha Dama on invitation in

[11:42] England. say teach concentration

[11:43] practices, mindfulness of breathing and

[11:46] and walking meditation, sitting

[11:48] meditation, teaching insight practice,

[11:50] wisdom of vipasa meditation and uh

[11:54] reflection on impermanence,

[11:55] unsatisfactoriness, not self and the the

[11:58] standard um practices to develop

[12:00] insight, to develop vivasa and um those

[12:04] were very much appreciated. But then he

[12:06] found when he started teaching meta in

[12:08] in this kind of um formulaic way of may

[12:11] I be well may may my mother and father

[12:13] be well may my sister and my

[12:14] brother-in-law be well may and then um

[12:18] [clears throat] he started to get

[12:19] feedback from the people who are

[12:20] visiting the vihar again maybe some of

[12:22] you were the those good people who gave

[12:24] him the feedback saying tanjan

[12:27] [clears throat]

[12:29] yeah this is um yeah when when you talk

[12:31] about loving kindness in this way in

[12:33] this kind of meditation yeah it's It's

[12:36] so sentimental.

[12:38] It's really off-putting. It just it

[12:40] doesn't arouse loving kindness and

[12:41] wholesome states at all. It's quite

[12:44] frankly a John is really annoying, you

[12:46] know. And so there because and you could

[12:48] see with with for a western audience

[12:51] that could be a kind of there could be a

[12:54] sppy sentimental quality. May I be happy

[12:56] and particularly for sort of I'm I'm

[12:59] English so I can I think I can speak for

[13:01] for the English and also southeastern

[13:03] English. Home count is English, so we

[13:06] can have a rather sort of stiff upper

[13:08] lip. Oh, dear.

[13:10] May I be happy. Oh, good grief.

[13:15] Again, I'm sort of cranking it up a bit,

[13:17] but I think people get the sense of of

[13:19] what I mean. It can be a bit uh a bit

[13:22] too sentimental and sloppyish and sort

[13:24] of Walt Disneyish. Um, and so and he

[13:27] took note of that. Lumpors made as a

[13:29] very um creative and and adaptive a very

[13:33] imaginative teacher and he sort of took

[13:35] note okay the the aim is to produce

[13:38] positive and wholesome mind states the

[13:39] result is is kind of frowning around the

[13:43] room and and uh and a few people several

[13:46] people having the same kind of

[13:47] experience that this is coming across in

[13:49] a very sentimental sugary you know um

[13:52] think pink kind of way as it was an

[13:54] American expression of think pink you

[13:56] know be positive

[13:59] and having the the the opposite effect.

[14:02] Um so he he began to to to teach loving

[14:06] kindness in different ways and also not

[14:07] just him but you there are different

[14:10] ways of of teaching loving kindness

[14:12] meditation. [snorts] So, uh I was on a

[14:15] retreat with him um uh in in in the

[14:19] states one time. He was giving a a

[14:21] two-eek long retreat there and uh he he

[14:24] um decided to combine loving kindness

[14:26] meditation with mindfulness of

[14:28] breathing. So, kept it very very simple.

[14:30] So rather than having a whole list of

[14:32] things uh he um sort of conjured up the

[14:36] the the practice of uh on the inb breath

[14:39] raising the thought um may I may I be at

[14:42] peace and then on the out breath may all

[14:44] beings be at peace. That was it very

[14:47] simple. So a formula but a very simple

[14:49] formula rather than going through a

[14:50] whole kind of catalog

[14:53] in on the inb breath may I may I be at

[14:55] peace on the out breath may all be being

[14:57] all beings be at peace and that didn't

[14:59] have the sentimental or um such a strong

[15:02] sentimental or complicating uh result

[15:05] and also another way of loving kindness

[15:08] meditation that is not so formulaic that

[15:10] uh that I've used and I found quite

[15:12] quite helpful uh that I can't recall

[15:16] after all these is exactly where I heard

[15:18] it. But um it's to to start off by

[15:22] finding the feeling of loving kindness

[15:24] to to to think of some some person or or

[15:29] in England often an animal, a pet. Like

[15:32] if you have difficulty having great

[15:34] loving kindness towards other family

[15:36] members or or other humans, you think of

[15:38] your cat, you know, or your your dog.

[15:41] And uh there's we frequently get asked

[15:43] to offer blessings for animals that have

[15:45] passed away. Just this morning there was

[15:46] one so that often and again as a as an

[15:49] English person and and my parents met

[15:52] because they were dog lovers that's why

[15:55] I I was born and my sisters because my

[15:58] parents were both bularia breeders

[16:00] that's how they met so I come from a dog

[16:02] loving family and so I can relate to

[16:04] that the English in in particular can be

[16:09] a bit sort of cold and distant towards

[16:11] other humans but when it comes to the

[16:13] when it comes to the you know the the

[16:14] Labrador Hello. Hello.

[16:17] >> Who's a good boy? Who's a good boy?

[16:18] >> Yeah. Yeah.

[16:22] Again, joking, not joking. [laughter]

[16:25] So um to bring to mind some other being

[16:30] that you have genuine affection for just

[16:33] un uh unqualified benevolence towards a

[16:36] being to whether it's your your your

[16:39] husband your wife your child your your

[16:41] your mother your father your your dog

[16:43] your cat your horse I grew up there also

[16:46] I grew up in a horse riding horse riding

[16:48] family as well so dogs and horses were

[16:52] my childhood companions

[16:55] So uh you bring to mind that uh being

[16:59] that you have so unqualified limitless

[17:01] uh kindness and benevolence towards and

[17:03] then uh and then having brought that to

[17:08] feeling to mind then let go of the the

[17:10] the person or the animal or whoever it

[17:12] is that has uh been the cause of that

[17:14] and then just sustain the feeling like

[17:16] it like starting a fire in your heart

[17:18] lighting the lighting the lamp and

[17:20] letting that uh that quality be be

[17:23] nurtured. it so that you oh this is the

[17:25] feeling of benevolence. This is true uh

[17:27] friendliness. This is this is limitless

[17:30] kindness. Here it is. It feels like

[17:32] this. And then having got the feeling

[17:34] for it rather than just the idea or the

[17:36] word meta. Do meta practice as a an idea

[17:38] as a sort of conceptual construct to

[17:41] have the feeling and then start from

[17:43] that. and then to be uh radiating that

[17:46] out uh just in a less structured but a

[17:49] more generalized way around from

[17:52] yourself from your own heart into the

[17:53] room and into the the space around.

[17:56] So that's one one kind of method. U I

[17:59] believe Lumpos may have taught that in

[18:01] the past. I've certainly taught that in

[18:03] in the past and found it very helpful.

[18:06] So but uh the uh the main theme I

[18:09] thought to to focus on for today was

[18:12] during that time when Lumpur got that

[18:14] feedback from the various um uh people

[18:17] uh his own students who were coming to

[18:19] to visit the Hamstead vihara and in the

[18:22] early days of Chitthurst, he realized

[18:24] talking in terms of meta as uh as loving

[18:27] kindness, he thought well yeah because

[18:29] in this language in English when we love

[18:31] something we use the word love it almost

[18:34] automatically implies liking

[18:37] and that and what's one of the things

[18:38] that's causing it to go sour and feel

[18:41] off and sentimental is that people are

[18:44] assuming that we're trying to make

[18:46] ourselves like everything but not

[18:48] everything in the universe is likable.

[18:50] You know you people that you clash with,

[18:53] having a headache for, you know, a day

[18:55] and a half, having a a twisted ankle or

[18:59] a a massive debt that needs to be paid

[19:02] off. you know, you can't like a headache

[19:04] or you can't like a you know, a twisted

[19:07] ankle or or these issues in in our life

[19:10] or in our mind. And so he thought this

[19:13] is a this is an issue with it's it's the

[19:15] languaging. So to to always call call

[19:18] meta loving kindness, it's being

[19:21] misinterpreted. So as I said, he's a

[19:23] very creative teacher. So he said, well,

[19:26] let's see if we can talk about it in a

[19:28] different way. So he coined the phrase

[19:30] not dwelling in aversion. Then people

[19:33] could relate to that ah not a dwelling

[19:35] in aversion because um we can uh even if

[19:40] there's something that we don't that is

[19:42] not likable like a you a challenging

[19:45] neighbor or a a three-day headache or

[19:48] you know twisted ankle you can't like it

[19:50] but you but you can find a place where

[19:52] you don't hate it where you're not

[19:54] dwelling in aversion that even that

[19:56] which is not likable doesn't mean to say

[19:58] that we have to to fear it or create

[20:00] aversion towards it uh if you can see

[20:03] the difference so that we can be kind

[20:06] towards that which is not likable.

[20:08] Right? And that was the the key piece.

[20:10] So he he for years and years that was

[20:12] the languaging he used not dwelling in

[20:14] aversion.

[20:16] And so that um [clears throat] that uh I

[20:20] feel is a is a helpful starting point to

[20:22] for for reflection about meta without a

[20:24] formula. So then uh that was the kind of

[20:27] languaging that that he used and I was I

[20:30] spent about 13 years just living in the

[20:33] same monasteries as Lumpur at Chihurst

[20:35] for a few years and then after a couple

[20:37] of years up in Northland I was here at

[20:39] Amraati for another 10 years and so

[20:42] often Lumpur would use that language of

[20:44] not dwelling in aversion but then over

[20:46] time it slightly sort of changed bit by

[20:49] bit because as I said he he would pay

[20:51] attention to what was working and what

[20:52] was getting the message across to people

[20:54] and what was meaningful.

[20:55] and uh and he realized that using the

[20:59] word acceptance, the meta as acceptance

[21:02] was even more effective. You know, not

[21:04] dwelling in aversion can seem a bit sort

[21:06] of well, at least don't at least don't

[21:08] hate. Well, [laughter] it's a little bit

[21:10] more than that. And so he began to to

[21:13] talk about meta as acceptance. And I

[21:15] think one of his most recently published

[21:17] booklets with is a a talk with that that

[21:20] very title. Yeah. Meta as acceptance.

[21:23] And but then when he would talk about me

[21:25] meta loving kindness as acceptance then

[21:28] again he had to to kind of qualify that

[21:31] because uh when we say uh we accept

[21:34] again with English language when we say

[21:37] we accept something it can imply that we

[21:40] approve of it. So um so accepting the um

[21:45] the the uh the presence of of cruelty in

[21:49] the world we we we can't say that we

[21:52] approve of it. You're not trying to say

[21:54] a place I think that's a good thing or

[21:56] I'm happy with that. But uh acceptance

[21:59] doesn't mean approval. It means here it

[22:01] is. This is an aspect of nature. Someone

[22:04] is is a is is cheating or is a is a

[22:08] liar. someone who is who is uh cruel to

[22:11] others. Um

[22:13] acceptance doesn't mean I I like that or

[22:16] I'm I'm not going to do anything about

[22:17] it. What it means is here it is. This is

[22:19] an aspect of life. Dishonesty is an

[22:21] aspect of life. Selfishness, greed,

[22:24] jealousy, hatred. They're not wholesome.

[22:27] They're not beautiful. But they are they

[22:29] are an aspect of of our world in the the

[22:32] human world, the animal world. Uh that

[22:34] that's part of of life. So uh when we

[22:37] talk about meta as acceptance

[22:41] uh then that uh kind of tatampi meta

[22:45] acceptance does not mean approval and I

[22:48] [snorts] found it very very helpful that

[22:49] donor would emphasize that and so in the

[22:52] meditation uh then uh uh that uh that

[22:56] quality of of acceptance it's an

[23:00] openheartedness

[23:01] uh and I like to even sort of

[23:06] to uh to kind of strengthen the the

[23:09] expression by using the phrase radical

[23:11] acceptance. So that's what I've been

[23:13] using talking about meta over a number

[23:16] of years. And so that um uh that is a an

[23:22] expression of of o openness to here it

[23:26] is. This is the way nature is in this

[23:28] moment. The beautiful, the ugly, the

[23:30] neutral, the pleasant, the painful, uh

[23:32] the the mundane and here it all is. This

[23:34] is exactly the nature of this this

[23:36] moment. It feels this way with all these

[23:38] different attributes.

[23:40] [clears throat] So that um but in saying

[23:44] that you that uh uh everything that's

[23:47] natural not everything that's natural is

[23:50] useful. So we say well uh jealousy or or

[23:54] greed is natural. uh selfishness and and

[23:58] uh uh aggression are natural but they're

[24:01] not useful in terms of developing peace

[24:03] and harmony and uh and benefit for

[24:07] ourselves and others. So that uh again

[24:10] when we use the word natural it can mean

[24:12] oh therefore good not everything that's

[24:14] natural is is useful or beneficial.

[24:18] So uh then if we talk about meta in this

[24:21] way as being radic rad radically

[24:23] accepting or being openhearted

[24:27] then the question can come up so what

[24:30] about all those expressions you about

[24:32] you know uh may I be well may all beings

[24:34] be well may I be happy may all beings be

[24:36] happy what about that kind of that that

[24:39] aspect of it and so um I feel that it's

[24:42] helpful to understand that it's not as

[24:44] though what's expressed in those

[24:46] classical practices or in the in the in

[24:48] the Buddha teachings is is somehow wrong

[24:50] or lacking but I feel it's only part of

[24:53] the picture and so I feel a good way to

[24:56] understand meta in its various different

[24:58] dimensions but is that there's an

[25:01] expressive part which is may all beings

[25:05] be may all beings be well may all beings

[25:06] be happy and radiating loving kindness

[25:09] over the entire world spreading upwards

[25:11] to the skies and downwards to the depths

[25:13] as it says in the meta suta the current

[25:15] meta suta yes There's the expressive

[25:17] aspect, but there's also the receptive.

[25:20] There's the the involutionary uh uh the

[25:23] the receptive aspect. And I like to

[25:26] compare it to our breathing that the our

[25:28] breath the respiration has an inb breath

[25:30] and an outreath. And the the outreath is

[25:34] the expression, but we're we're

[25:35] expressing the carbon dioxide. The inb

[25:38] breath taking the oxygen into the body.

[25:40] I feel is a very good parallel for meta.

[25:42] I would say the real root the heart of

[25:44] meta is that receptive quality that

[25:47] openheartedness here it is the world is

[25:49] exactly this way in this moment my mind

[25:52] my body my life my world my my monastery

[25:55] my uh u my planet uh it's like this the

[26:00] the world uh this life and and the world

[26:03] is exactly this way in this moment so

[26:06] that that's a receptive openness and

[26:09] then taken into the heart uh and then

[26:13] received with with uh with wisdom and

[26:16] and mindfulness then uh what is

[26:20] expressed is uh everything um is

[26:24] appreciated as being this way. Uh

[26:26] therefore and that's the the in the way

[26:29] the gesture of the the wise awake heart.

[26:32] Therefore um I wish all beings to

[26:34] freedom from suffering, freedom from uh

[26:37] distress, freedom from from uh from

[26:39] harm.

[26:41] So that the the e expressive the the

[26:44] benevolent the outgoing quality of meta

[26:46] is kind of a result uh it's it's

[26:48] dependent upon that openheartedness. So

[26:51] that again we this can be discussed and

[26:54] people can uh welcome to uh explore that

[26:57] together but uh for me in my own in my

[27:00] experience of dharma practice that uh

[27:02] that's really uh in a way describes that

[27:05] the how the process works uh in a in a

[27:07] most sort of complete and and accurate

[27:10] way. So that uh [clears throat] we are

[27:16] uh cultivating that attitude they call

[27:18] the the Brahma viharas are called the

[27:20] sublime attitudes and how we um we

[27:25] develop that openheartedness again there

[27:27] there's many various methods so may uh

[27:31] one of the things though that I like to

[27:34] to stress in this respect is that rather

[27:37] than thinking of metabana the

[27:40] cultivation of loving kindness

[27:42] as a sort of extra practice. And often

[27:44] on on retreats like 10-day retreats or

[27:46] twoe retreats or shorter your weekend or

[27:49] five day retreats that uh often the uh

[27:53] again not always but has been the case

[27:56] where uh you'd have the the main

[27:59] practice being mindfulness of breathing

[28:01] or concentration practices and then that

[28:04] um being refined or developed into

[28:07] insight vasa practice and then you have

[28:10] a you know 10 minutes of meta at the end

[28:12] of the afternoon or have a a meta day on

[28:15] the the last day of the retreat, have a

[28:17] loving kindness day of a kind of almost

[28:20] like the the meta is a sort of a like an

[28:23] optional like an after-dinner mint, you

[28:26] know, just sort of a little sort of

[28:27] sweet thing at the end. Uh and that's

[28:29] but the real stuff is a concentration

[28:30] and insight and that the metaar is just

[28:33] sort of this oh yes right along with

[28:35] working with my defilements and learning

[28:37] how to concentrate and develop wisdom.

[28:39] Oh yeah, let's may all beings be happy.

[28:41] Let's not forget that. Again, I'm kind

[28:43] of o overemphasizing that or making a

[28:46] joke, but it's also kind of joke, but

[28:48] not a joke because I feel that rather

[28:51] than the cultivation of meta being a

[28:54] sort of optional extra um a kind of uh

[28:59] [snorts] after dinner mint, so it's not

[29:01] too derogatory.

[29:04] After dinner mints are quite nice.

[29:06] I haven't had dinner in the evening for

[29:09] long time

[29:12] after lunch anyway. So you know what I

[29:14] mean. So the um uh I feel it's better

[29:18] and more helpful to understand that that

[29:22] that attitude of radical acceptance is

[29:25] essential for any kind of of mental

[29:28] training any kind of meditation that you

[29:30] can't really develop concentration

[29:32] without that radical acceptance as a as

[29:35] a a ground of attitude. You can't

[29:38] develop insight without that quality of

[29:41] radical acceptance. There has to be an

[29:43] openness of heart to the present

[29:45] reality. Here it is. Whether I like it

[29:47] or I don't like it, whether I feel it

[29:49] should be here or shouldn't be here or

[29:51] or uh whatever is is is happening. Here

[29:54] it is. That the body is like this, the

[29:57] feelings are like this, the the mind is

[29:58] like this, the world is like this

[30:00] exactly this way. Um, if there isn't

[30:03] that attunement to the present reality,

[30:06] it's I find is impossible to really

[30:09] develop concentration or insight because

[30:13] you're uh the if you start off with the

[30:16] idea, you know, I I need to concentrate

[30:17] or I'm going to be developing um uh

[30:21] insight

[30:23] then and if there isn't that openness of

[30:25] heart, if there isn't that attunement to

[30:27] the body and the feelings and the the

[30:29] mental landscape, then you're you're

[30:31] you're starting from where you're not.

[30:33] It's like trying to drive the car from

[30:34] the back seat. It's like everything's

[30:37] out of reach. You can't you can't get to

[30:38] the pedals and the the steering wheel is

[30:40] hard to get hold of because you're

[30:41] you're not in the driving seat. So, I

[30:43] would say that attunement to the present

[30:45] reality is like being in the driving

[30:47] seat. I mean, now I know they have

[30:49] driverless cars nowadays, so these

[30:51] analogies run out. I used to use the

[30:53] analogy of getting onto the getting onto

[30:56] the train while it's while it started

[30:57] moving. you can't use that anymore

[30:58] because you can't get through the door

[31:00] if the train is moving nowadays. So, you

[31:02] have to adapt your analogies to the

[31:05] changing technology. So, anyway, as long

[31:08] as cars still need a driver, I would say

[31:11] that that radical acceptance is like

[31:14] climbing into the driving seat and

[31:16] feeling the steering wheel and the

[31:18] pedals and so on. that you're you're

[31:21] attuning to what's here rather than than

[31:23] uh sort of uh starting with an idea of

[31:27] wanting to be concentrated or wanting to

[31:29] to uh develop wisdom um without that

[31:34] quality of acceptance without that

[31:36] quality of attunement to to the body and

[31:38] the mind and the the feelings.

[31:41] So um the uh with respect to uh to that

[31:47] developer development of radical

[31:50] acceptance you

[31:52] feel and in in that role of working with

[31:56] the the mind and the body and the in

[31:59] terms of of our life meditation uh that

[32:03] it's helpful to to uh so explore that

[32:07] again not just as an idea but to to look

[32:09] at the different dimensions of our

[32:11] physical and mental world to see well

[32:14] where where is that attunement that

[32:17] acceptance lacking and how can it be

[32:20] developed and like many aspects of

[32:21] Buddhist Buddhist meditation you you

[32:23] start where you're from and so uh in in

[32:27] these reflections and again we can open

[32:29] things up for questions and discussion

[32:31] uh in the second part but uh so to look

[32:35] at how does my mind not accept the body

[32:40] We we talk about you know radical

[32:41] acceptance um with the rupacanda the

[32:45] this our own body other people's bodies

[32:47] the material world yeah we uh just to

[32:51] look at what we don't accept what we

[32:53] don't what we don't like how we we uh

[32:56] carry judgments around like I wish my

[32:58] body wasn't like this I wish it was like

[33:00] that you know that when I had my um uh

[33:04] 70th birthday at the beginning of

[33:06] September um some good person said Oh,

[33:10] uh, I bet you wish it was your 50th

[33:11] birthday, not your 70th. And I went,

[33:13] "What?"

[33:14] I mean, they meant it. They were very,

[33:16] they were being kind. And maybe they're

[33:17] here today, so I'm not trying to be

[33:18] rude, but they were but it was kind of

[33:21] to me, you know, as a sort of

[33:23] professional meditator, it was it was a

[33:26] kind of, oh, what, you know, what a

[33:28] strange thought. But in ordinary

[33:30] society, it's like people casually

[33:32] mention regretting getting older.

[33:35] casually mentioned you the hair falling

[33:37] out and wrinkles appearing and

[33:39] everything moving southwards

[33:42] for northern hemisphere kind of analogy

[33:45] that uh so you know I'm 70 years old now

[33:48] that that face in the mirror first

[33:50] especially first thing in the morning

[33:54] wow you know what happened to him you

[33:58] but that's an that's an ordinary feeling

[33:59] nothing wrong with that it's just that

[34:01] oh that that's not a that's not a

[34:04] 30-year-old face anymore. It's a it's a

[34:06] 70-year-old face, of course.

[34:10] So, how casually we judge our own our

[34:15] own body, the ruper, this is our own

[34:17] physical form. We judge other people's

[34:19] bodies. Um attractive person,

[34:21] unattractive person, impressive person,

[34:23] unimpressive person, you know, the uh

[34:26] how how we feel we should be, how we

[34:27] could be. Um uh how uh if we have

[34:31] illnesses, um how uh how we relate to

[34:35] the body getting sick. Uh I'm I'm

[34:37] certainly not advocating never taking

[34:39] medicine or or seeking medical help when

[34:42] when it's appropriate. I'm uh I'm taking

[34:45] a number of of medications every day

[34:48] nowadays. Uh so I'm not advocating kind

[34:51] of not looking after the body, but just

[34:54] again to notice how much we don't

[34:56] accept, how much we we just make casual

[35:00] comments and complaints and criticisms

[35:02] um about uh ailments about how uh uh

[35:06] about appearance, about the capacities

[35:09] of of hearing and seeing and mobility

[35:11] and and so on and so forth. And uh again

[35:15] it's it uh we often don't notice these

[35:18] things and those kind of judgments are

[35:20] very uh very common in society in our

[35:22] families and in the in the world in

[35:24] general. But to to notice that to to be

[35:28] um uh not resenting the aging process

[35:32] when you look in the mirror and you

[35:33] think wow

[35:35] what happened to her what happened to

[35:36] him that oh here it is this is there's

[35:40] nothing going wrong with the aging

[35:41] process. It might not be what we would

[35:45] prefer on an ego level, but here it is.

[35:47] This is the this is the way it is. And

[35:49] so that uh noticing those casual

[35:53] judgments, that lack of acceptance.

[35:56] [snorts] And again in my position as the

[35:58] abbot of this monastery and meeting many

[36:00] many people who come to come to visit

[36:02] and and oftentimes when people do have

[36:05] illnesses or or their own or or members

[36:08] of their family and and then with great

[36:10] sincerity they can say well yeah this

[36:12] isn't fair. I don't I don't deserve

[36:14] this. And you know and again I'm not

[36:17] trying to make fun of anyone but it's

[36:20] they feel well you know I I I keep fit.

[36:22] I have a good diet. I I I uh I look

[36:24] after myself. how can I have this

[36:26] illness? You know, I'm only 45 years

[36:28] old. And so

[36:31] that and quite sincerely asking that.

[36:34] And uh so we we have the Buddha's

[36:36] teaching that is a you know a great

[36:39] benefit that along with

[36:43] may I be may I be may I be happy. You

[36:46] have the five subjects of frequent

[36:47] recollection. I'm of the nature to age.

[36:50] I'm of the nature to sicken. I'm of the

[36:52] nature to die. All that is mine, beloved

[36:54] and pleasing will become otherwise will

[36:56] become separated from me. I'm the owner

[36:58] of my karma, heir of my karma, born of

[37:00] my karma, related to my karma, abide

[37:02] supported by my karma. Whatever karma I

[37:04] shall do for good or for ill of that I

[37:06] will be the heir. So this is the Buddha

[37:09] advised for frequent recollection by lay

[37:12] people and monastics you every day. And

[37:15] some people hear that uh or come to the

[37:17] monastery and uh and you hear this kind

[37:20] of recitation. I'm of the nature to age.

[37:22] I'm of the nature to sicken. I'm of the

[37:24] nature to die. It's like I came to the

[37:26] monastery to be happy. This is really

[37:28] depressing. Like can I can I leave now?

[37:32] You know. Uh but the Buddha was

[37:34] infinitely compassionate. And it's his

[37:36] great compassion saying read the small

[37:38] print. This is the program. Don't be

[37:42] surprised. Those hairs that were not

[37:44] gray, they are now gray. If they are

[37:46] still there, you know they have not all

[37:48] fallen out. Yeah, they that is ordinary.

[37:52] This is normal. Um,

[37:55] and so as I say in the states, get with

[37:58] the program. [laughter]

[38:00] And so it's a great kindness to to to

[38:03] help us to cultivate that quality of

[38:06] acceptance just on the level of our own

[38:09] body, the people around us. when I was

[38:13] uh when I was again when I was living I

[38:15] haven't seen the statistics recently but

[38:16] when I was living in the states

[38:19] uh I remember um reading a statistic uh

[38:23] that there was something like I'm sure

[38:25] the numbers much much higher now but

[38:27] that that particular year uh 90 billion

[38:31] dollars had been spent in the US on

[38:33] cosmetic surgery

[38:36] 90 billion with a B

[38:39] and that was quite a long time ago I've

[38:41] been here in England for 16 years. So

[38:44] it's maybe not a whole order of

[38:46] magnitude bigger but certainly that and

[38:49] I'm not again I'm not mocking people and

[38:51] it can be have a very strong emotional

[38:54] uh meaning and value to to have a kind

[38:57] of good appearance but to me that's

[38:59] that's startling you sp that within one

[39:02] country 90 billion dollars are spent in

[39:04] a year

[39:07] on what I look like and wanting to look

[39:09] a certain way and not want to look not

[39:11] wanting to look another

[39:13] Um and so you know Buddha Dharma can

[39:16] save you a lot of money. So [laughter]

[39:20] again joking not joking that the um that

[39:25] uh

[39:27] uh that noticing and appreciating oh

[39:30] look uh here is that which is pushing

[39:32] that away which is wanting to negating

[39:34] that. And then the Buddha's

[39:35] encouragement is like, well, meet that,

[39:37] receive that and and uh uh don't think

[39:41] of that as anything going wrong. Again,

[39:43] duty. I'm not saying don't go to the

[39:44] doctor. I'm sure there's lots of doctors

[39:46] here, medical people, nurses, and

[39:48] carers, therapists, and so on. I'm not

[39:51] advocating not seeking treatment and

[39:53] doing what we can to work with our

[39:55] ailments. But to not add on that feeling

[39:59] of wrongness, that's the duka. There's

[40:01] the duka, which is painful feeling.

[40:03] There's the duka, the suffering of of of

[40:06] aging and illness, but that's ordinary

[40:09] pain, ordinary illness, and we can

[40:12] experience that without creating the the

[40:14] other dooka of stress and the feeling of

[40:17] wrongness around that. So with with

[40:20] respect to this this particular part of

[40:22] the theme, one of the aspects of

[40:24] acceptance that I feel is really

[40:26] significant and there's a bit of a

[40:28] contrast between the southern Buddhist

[40:30] world and the northern Buddhist world is

[40:32] you have quite a number of instances

[40:35] maybe six or seven maybe eight or eight

[40:38] or nine instances uh when the Buddha is

[40:40] giving a dama talk to like an assembly

[40:42] of people and then uh in his old age he

[40:46] had chronic back pain and uh he would

[40:50] turn to Mahakana or Saruta or Anand and

[40:53] say you know Ananda my back is paining

[40:56] me the assembly is still wide awake I'm

[40:59] going to go and stretch my back I'm

[41:01] going to lie down and stretch my back

[41:03] you carry on giving a a dam talk and

[41:06] it's not just once it's like several

[41:07] times with different elders so not only

[41:10] did the Buddha have chronic back pain

[41:13] but he would interrupt a dumb talk to go

[41:15] and lie down

[41:17] and so he took action to relieve the

[41:20] pain in his back and he was aware that

[41:22] the again I I hesitate well I don't

[41:25] hesitate to second guess the Buddha but

[41:28] I should hesitate a bit more than I do

[41:30] but so to me it's it's it's interesting

[41:33] that the Buddha is giving a dhamma talk

[41:35] and I am guessing but noticing the pain

[41:38] in my back is interrupting what I'm

[41:41] saying and how I'm saying it and so it's

[41:44] in this the pain is being intrusive.

[41:46] Therefore, I need to do something to

[41:49] serve the the group of people who are

[41:51] interested and awake and eager to to

[41:53] learn. But the the pain in my back is is

[41:57] uh intruding. And so again, I'm guessing

[42:01] and

[42:02] uh [laughter]

[42:04] I'm not risking any thunderbolts. I

[42:06] don't think that's not not in our

[42:07] tradition. But uh certainly I I do feel

[42:10] I'm a bit presumptuous. So saying what

[42:12] the Buddha was thinking. But if you it's

[42:14] there in the sutas several times over

[42:16] and to me it's extremely significant

[42:18] that the the sutras would record that

[42:21] and not as an aspect of weakness of the

[42:23] great master but the fact that he had

[42:27] physical pain and he had to take action

[42:29] to relieve it and he was incapable of

[42:32] suffering. is completely enlightened,

[42:34] totally beyond suffering, but he would

[42:36] still take action to work with the

[42:38] limitations of the body uh out of

[42:41] compassion for his body and his life and

[42:43] also out of compassion for the the

[42:45] people who are gathered together. So to

[42:47] me it's a that even though those things

[42:49] are not known as as sort of you know

[42:51] super profound teachings to me it's like

[42:54] that's a really amazing message that's

[42:56] really quite wonderful and a good signal

[42:59] for the for the for all of us who are

[43:02] the Buddha's students and and follow the

[43:04] Buddha's way that we shouldn't be afraid

[43:08] or or apologetic to

[43:11] take action to look after our bodies to

[43:13] look after our lives and do what we need

[43:15] to do to take care of things and it's

[43:17] like okay serving the needs of the

[43:19] moment go take a take a break go and

[43:22] stretch stretch your back if uh that's

[43:25] what that's what's needed so anyway um

[43:28] uh on the level of rupacanda to develop

[43:31] acceptance there's uh a lot of potential

[43:36] material there but just to put that into

[43:38] the mix for people to consider and of

[43:40] course you know it overlaps with the

[43:43] other uh kundas feeling and perception

[43:46] But uh so uh with with respect to

[43:49] feeling particularly painful feeling um

[43:52] we also uh as as a society and a human

[43:56] family we do a lot to get away from

[43:58] uncomfortable feelings and to uh to get

[44:03] comfortable

[44:04] to we're afraid of discomfort and uh we

[44:08] we kind of work very hard and our

[44:11] western society and and the kind of

[44:13] living situation that we have in the in

[44:15] the modern world which is I would say

[44:17] very very different in in what we can

[44:19] what is are known as developed countries

[44:21] and in countries where the resources of

[44:24] of water, food, shelter and physical

[44:28] safety are far far reduced. We we are

[44:31] very blessed with extraordinarily

[44:33] comfortable and and um say uh workable

[44:37] living conditions that many people uh

[44:39] around the planet you don't have. But um

[44:43] and just to to again bring attention to

[44:47] how we can suffer because say maybe the

[44:50] thermometer on our heating system it's

[44:52] it's stuck at 23.

[44:55] Oh dear. It should be 21.

[44:59] [gasps]

[44:59] You know phone the engineer. Get someone

[45:02] in. Again making I'm kind of making fun

[45:05] but not making fun. And that uh that

[45:09] lack of adaptability we can create a lot

[45:12] of suffering in ourselves and the

[45:13] feeling of wrongness just for small

[45:16] degrees of discomfort. Uh and

[45:19] our our forest tradition um style of

[45:22] practice. Uh we we deliberately train

[45:26] ourselves in working with discomfort.

[45:29] What are called the dutanga practices

[45:30] the the the bitter practices the the

[45:33] dutangas or tudong tudanga practices.

[45:36] They are designed to challenge our

[45:38] habits around sleep, around food, around

[45:41] personal space and physical comfort. And

[45:44] so uh for for three three and a half

[45:47] years I didn't lie down. I kept the

[45:49] practice one of the dutangas of of not

[45:51] lying down. So I just sat and walked and

[45:53] and stood and didn't didn't use the

[45:56] lying down posture for three and a half

[45:58] years

[46:01] pretty much. Absolutely. Yeah. when I

[46:03] when I when I was working on a project

[46:06] and it was long long long long hours I

[46:08] thought maybe I should have a break from

[46:10] my not lying down dutanga but it was so

[46:12] weird to be lying on the floor I

[46:14] couldn't I couldn't rest because I've

[46:16] been sitting upright for for so long to

[46:19] actually I thought I'll take a break for

[46:20] a few days but then it didn't work

[46:22] because it was it was so weird to be

[46:24] lying down that it was not restful at

[46:26] all so okay give up went back to leaning

[46:29] again so after a few a few weeks or

[46:32] months of of not lying down. There is no

[46:34] comfortable posture. You know, you you

[46:36] ache I found pretty much all the time.

[46:40] But then you learn to be at peace with

[46:42] being achy that the it's not and the

[46:45] Buddha the dutangas that he allowed were

[46:47] to challenge our habits but not to

[46:50] torture ourselves. So with with respect

[46:52] to food, he didn't let his disciples,

[46:55] you know, fast until they were kind of

[46:58] completely emaciated and um would, you

[47:01] know, would starve. But uh you could

[47:04] undertake practices just like eating one

[47:06] meal a day or only eating the food

[47:07] that's put into your bowl on the arms

[47:09] round or um

[47:12] the only eating food that is uh uh at

[47:16] one sitting and not accepting anything

[47:18] other than one meal in a in a day and so

[47:20] forth. So um in terms of feeling and uh

[47:25] learning acceptance um this is the kind

[47:28] of ways that we can learn to be robust

[47:32] and adaptable. And if we notice how

[47:34] easily we create stress and difficulty

[47:36] in ourselves when something's a little

[47:39] bit away from what we would prefer.

[47:42] Again, I'm not I'm not reading anybody's

[47:43] mind, but it's extraordinarily common

[47:46] how upset we can get about what again

[47:50] objectively one might say tiny little

[47:53] details, but we can't bear it because of

[47:56] the attitude of mind. And so these

[47:58] dutanga practices and the advice of the

[48:00] Buddha uh in training applies to lay

[48:04] people as much as to monastics is um the

[48:07] more that we can learn to distinguish

[48:09] between pain and suffering

[48:13] then the the more spacious and and

[48:16] peaceful and at ease we find ourselves

[48:18] in life. So what I mean is so maybe you

[48:21] you have a a pain that you can quote

[48:24] unquote get away from. you're sitting in

[48:25] meditation and your legs are aching, you

[48:27] can change your posture and then the

[48:28] ache goes away. So, you can evade the

[48:31] pain. But sometimes we can't. You know,

[48:34] there's you've got a a broken leg or you

[48:36] got a a headache and and no amount of of

[48:40] um ibuprofen is making any difference.

[48:44] It hurts. So we can and again using the

[48:49] example of the Buddha and his back pain

[48:51] he had chronic pain but he didn't create

[48:53] any suffering around it. So the pain is

[48:56] one thing uh and the suffering around it

[49:00] and even if it's not very painful even

[49:01] if it's just a mild inconvenience the

[49:03] suffering is something extra. And so,

[49:06] uh, the, uh, an easy way to remember

[49:10] that is, um, uh, pain is pain is

[49:13] inevitable. Suffering is optional.

[49:16] I think I've even seen that on a few

[49:18] bumper stickers or t-shirts,

[49:20] coffee mugs. Yeah. But it's it's a

[49:22] slogan, but it's absolutely on the mark.

[49:25] Yeah. And so, if we take that to heart

[49:28] and then there's an acceptance of pain,

[49:30] we're not approving of it. We're not

[49:32] saying, "Oh, whoopee. I've had a

[49:33] headache for three days. I've got this

[49:36] uh this uh this twisted ankle and that's

[49:39] that's throbbing away or I've got this

[49:42] uh issue in the can be not just physical

[49:45] pain. It can be emotional pain of of

[49:47] sadness of of someone who close to us

[49:50] who's passed away or or a struggle with

[49:52] a a neighbor who's creating all sorts of

[49:55] grief in our in our lives in our family

[49:59] that you're not trying to pretend that

[50:00] or make yourself like it but that

[50:02] quality of acceptance. Oh, this is

[50:04] painful. This is not what I would wish

[50:06] for. Here it is. And to be able to tease

[50:10] apart the the painful emotional and

[50:13] physical sensations and and to recognize

[50:17] well this is this is uncomfortable. This

[50:19] is uh this is uh this is painful. Yes.

[50:23] But does the mind have to create

[50:25] suffering around it? Aha. So even though

[50:28] there can be great pain or you know not

[50:31] just physical pain but emotional pain

[50:34] social awkwardness um then we don't have

[50:37] to create a problem out of it. So one of

[50:40] the the practices that I I I like to

[50:42] encourage in in this respect is I call

[50:44] mindfulness of awkward feeling. And this

[50:47] is very applicable in the family

[50:50] business meetings

[50:52] uh on the hospital ward in the classroom

[50:55] on the underground. I was on the London

[50:57] Underground very crowded uh yesterday.

[51:01] Yesterday afternoon I had to go to

[51:03] London

[51:05] and u yeah you can be in a a socially

[51:08] awkward situation and make absolutely no

[51:10] problem out of it. So uh you know you

[51:14] can um be um challenged over something

[51:17] you're supposed to have prepared

[51:18] something and and you realize oops I

[51:20] completely forgot that. And everyone is

[51:23] looking at me thinking, you should have

[51:24] prepared this, Ajan. Yeah, you didn't

[51:27] didn't you read the didn't you read the

[51:28] notes? Ah, this is an awkward moment.

[51:32] And you're not pushing it away. You're

[51:34] not suppressing it. It's like, oh, this

[51:36] is exactly what I didn't want to happen.

[51:39] This is an awkward feeling. Here it is.

[51:41] And it's still awkward, but it's

[51:43] absolutely not a problem. And it's not

[51:44] like, oh, these idiots say that, well,

[51:46] it doesn't really matter. You're not

[51:47] brushing it off or or pushing it away.

[51:50] say, "Oh, this is the this is exactly

[51:53] what I didn't want to happen." Feeling

[51:55] here it is. So, this is extremely useful

[51:58] practice in terms of radical acceptance.

[52:01] And so, as you'll have guessed, most of

[52:03] these are to do with attitude and most

[52:06] of them are being worked with with wise

[52:08] reflection. And if you read Ajinchar's

[52:11] teachings or if you can listen to them

[52:13] in the Thai language in the original

[52:15] over and over and over again, you'll

[52:16] hear him talking about wise reflection

[52:19] looking at his own attitudes and

[52:21] questioning, challenging his own

[52:23] patterns of thinking. Um, so a lot of

[52:26] radical acceptance is to do with

[52:28] noticing the lack of acceptance,

[52:31] challenging that, meeting that, and

[52:33] letting your own mindfulness and wisdom

[52:36] be the transforming agent. not the sort

[52:39] of I should let go, but rather, oh, this

[52:42] is this is really uncomfortable and then

[52:44] the letting go happens on its own when

[52:46] you realize, well, I could have chosen

[52:49] it for it to be at 23 and I've just got

[52:51] the idea it should be at 21 if I if I

[52:54] can't open a window, maybe I can just uh

[52:57] just uh change my mind and and call 23.

[53:01] Okay. Oh, look at that. So that's

[53:06] exactly the simple kind of process that

[53:08] we can apply in all these areas. So uh

[53:11] then with perception sya

[53:14] again these all overlap with each other

[53:16] you know because there's perception of

[53:17] the body perception of other people's

[53:19] bodies perceptions of the world how we

[53:21] are lacking in acceptance in terms of

[53:25] what we perceive what we hear what we

[53:26] smell what we taste what we touch what

[53:28] we uh how we we judge the appearances of

[53:32] of of the world and and other people and

[53:35] our uh our say the fabric of our living

[53:39] situation.

[53:41] Just to notice what we call beautiful,

[53:43] what we call ugly, what we call big,

[53:44] what we call small, what we call right,

[53:46] what we call wrong.

[53:48] And how when the mind clings to its

[53:51] perceptions

[53:53] [snorts] and we just repeating habits of

[53:56] oh I don't like that color or I do like

[53:58] that color or this is delicious or this

[53:59] is disgusting. [snorts] very often if

[54:02] you if we explore and look we're just

[54:05] repeating um behaviors and and patterns

[54:09] of speech and and attitudes that we're

[54:11] just used to. we just that's our stock

[54:14] response or our stock way of relating

[54:15] and they and uh to to catch that to

[54:19] notice and say well why why do I

[54:22] complain in that way or why do I why do

[54:24] I call that wrong or why do I say oh

[54:26] that's ugly that's a really ugly

[54:28] building well do we remember that that

[54:31] was actually designed by an architect

[54:35] when they they they were paid for that

[54:37] and they spent weeks or months designing

[54:40] it helping to build it. So okay from

[54:43] this set of perceptions you can say ugly

[54:45] building doesn't belong. Um but then

[54:49] well to remember well that's just the

[54:52] perception from here that's just this

[54:54] mind's judgment. Um you know why why

[54:58] should it be in in why should it be

[55:00] thought of as intrinsically ugly? Um and

[55:03] so that that it's not that you're you're

[55:06] changing your habit. You can't just stop

[55:09] that. If you see a uh like a a quote

[55:12] unquote brutalist concrete building in

[55:14] the middle of the the English

[55:16] countryside of surrounded by woods, you

[55:18] go that's really ugly. You think, well,

[55:21] but the somebody put a lot of effort and

[55:23] thought into creating that and they got

[55:25] the local council to approve it. So,

[55:27] someone must feel it's okay and and

[55:30] beautiful. But you're not saying that

[55:32] when it hits the light hits your eye and

[55:34] and and lands in your brain your mind

[55:37] can still say ugly like still say

[55:38] painful feeling but you can appreciate

[55:41] well that's subjective that can't be the

[55:44] whole story for others it's going to be

[55:46] different and the people who live there

[55:47] might think well this is a great place

[55:50] to live it works really really well from

[55:53] the inside you know so um catching our

[55:57] judgments and I I uh found I talked

[56:02] about this a few times in recent recent

[56:04] weeks and months that um the the uh the

[56:09] very brief teaching of Lumpocha when he

[56:11] he um picked up some when someone asked

[56:14] him can you summarize the whole of the

[56:16] Buddha Dhama very briefly because he was

[56:18] listening to Lumpur talking for hours

[56:19] and hours lump you said so so much it's

[56:23] so many things my brain is not good

[56:25] enough to remember all of your wise

[56:26] words you can you summarize the teaching

[56:29] really briefly and he picked something

[56:31] up next to him and said, "Is this big or

[56:33] small?"

[56:35] That's the whole teaching.

[56:37] That's the entire Buddha Dharma. Is this

[56:40] big or small?

[56:42] And uh I'm not sure what he what he

[56:44] picked up with them. Yeah. He said if

[56:46] you want a hat, this is very small.

[56:51] Yeah. Uh if you uh if you um

[56:57] uh if you want a to drink a drink of

[56:59] water, this is this is very small. But

[57:02] um yeah, if you if you need a uh

[57:05] something to to keep some precious

[57:07] relics in, this is very big. So is it

[57:10] big or is it small? Depends on how you

[57:12] judge it. And I felt that was a an

[57:14] amazing teacher. The whole of the Buddha

[57:16] Dharma he he said that that

[57:20] just noticing how much we believe our

[57:23] judgments approve, disapprove, good,

[57:26] bad, beautiful, ugly, big, small, mine,

[57:28] yours, the the mind that can recognize

[57:31] those those judgments and and accept

[57:36] that oh this is just from this

[57:37] perspective from a particular

[57:39] circumstance. And I was uh I think this

[57:42] last talk I gave it was similar uh

[57:45] similar themes. But I do feel if we

[57:47] really let that into the heart then

[57:50] there can be that radical acceptance um

[57:54] for the perspectives of others. And I

[57:57] again I feel this is uh an aspect of

[58:00] meta and how we genuinely find loving

[58:03] kindness and respect and and u and

[58:06] harmony with other beings is that when

[58:09] we recognize that these judgments are

[58:11] necessarily subjective.

[58:13] This is not I don't experience the

[58:16] world. I experience this mind's version

[58:19] of the world. And that might seem like a

[58:22] a kind of pedantic point or a kind of

[58:25] minor point. Yeah. But it's all pretty

[58:27] similar, isn't it? A me, we all call

[58:29] this the salah. Yes. And no, you if

[58:33] you're if you're a first- time visitor,

[58:35] they say sala. What's salah? Is that a

[58:37] French word or Italian?

[58:41] So the um

[58:44] that um

[58:47] change of of view if you recognize oh I

[58:51] experience my mind's version of the

[58:53] world therefore everybody else's version

[58:55] is necessarily different

[58:58] therefore if that's again really allowed

[59:01] into the heart and mindfulness and

[59:02] wisdom operate with that then um there's

[59:06] a respectfulness of course that person

[59:09] sees it

[59:10] Yeah, I'm a man. She's a woman. You I'm

[59:13] British. This person is is Sri Lankan or

[59:15] Thai or this is a three-year-old child

[59:17] or that's a 98-year-old

[59:19] uh great great grandparent. Of course,

[59:22] our worlds are different. How could they

[59:25] not be? Aha. And then that that loving

[59:28] kindness and the respectfulness and

[59:30] appreciation of others is very very

[59:32] genuine.

[59:33] So, and then the the then also the same

[59:37] principle doesn't just go with feelings

[59:40] and perceptions and the material world

[59:42] but also our thoughts, our opinions, our

[59:44] beliefs, it's exactly the same that the

[59:47] the more that there's a um a loving

[59:51] kindness towards our own moods. you when

[59:54] we experience anger or jealousy or fear

[59:57] uh uh greediness selfishness and those

[1:00:01] of us who've listened to many of

[1:00:02] Lumpto's dhamma talks over the years

[1:00:05] when he talks about loving kindness or

[1:00:07] or or acceptance most of it's around our

[1:00:10] emotions and our thoughts and our inner

[1:00:14] world you having uh acceptance for your

[1:00:16] own anger your own jealousy your own

[1:00:19] just a reading I gave this morning was

[1:00:20] exactly on this theme quite

[1:00:22] coincidentally from Lumpito

[1:00:24] that don't think of them as sort of uh

[1:00:27] awful demonic um problems, but rather

[1:00:30] this is the this is the experience of

[1:00:32] anger. This is the experience of

[1:00:33] jealousy. It's not who and what I am,

[1:00:35] but here it is. It has this this tone,

[1:00:37] this quality, this texture. It's an

[1:00:40] aspect of nature. If it's followed,

[1:00:42] it'll bring painful results. It doesn't

[1:00:44] have to be hated or feared. It's just uh

[1:00:46] when it's received into the heart and

[1:00:48] known, uh it's it's accepted. But that

[1:00:53] just because something is accepted

[1:00:54] doesn't mean to say it has to be

[1:00:55] followed. Just because there's anger

[1:00:57] here doesn't mean it has to be acted

[1:00:59] upon. The anger doesn't have to be

[1:01:01] hated, doesn't have to be feared, but

[1:01:03] it's like a fork in the road. You can

[1:01:05] choose to go that way or not choose to

[1:01:07] go that way. And the example I often

[1:01:09] give is if you go down to the junction

[1:01:11] in Great Gadston

[1:01:14] and you want to go to Heml Hempstead,

[1:01:16] you turn right. It's not that Leighton

[1:01:18] Buzzard is evil and wrong and bad. It's

[1:01:21] just that that's what that's that's

[1:01:22] where you end up if you turn left. Like

[1:01:24] if you want to go to Heml, go right. If

[1:01:28] you want to go to Leight and Buzzard, go

[1:01:29] left. Uh so in exactly the when there's

[1:01:33] clarity of vision when there's uh

[1:01:35] genuine mindfulness and wisdom when that

[1:01:39] those emotions and feelings wholesome

[1:01:41] and unh wholesome uh are ex are accepted

[1:01:44] and known then just like a fork in the

[1:01:47] road or or a crossroads then okay this

[1:01:50] is the road that goes to to ease and

[1:01:52] harmony and peacefulness. This is the

[1:01:54] road that goes to conflict and stress

[1:01:56] and and uh difficulty. Okay, take a

[1:02:00] left, don't go right. So we don't we are

[1:02:05] making the decisions are being made but

[1:02:07] guided by mindfulness and wisdom and

[1:02:10] that but it's that quality of

[1:02:13] acceptance. If we have afraid of our

[1:02:15] jealousy, afraid of our anger or afraid

[1:02:17] of our our lustfulness or or selfishness

[1:02:19] and we kind of hate it and fear it, then

[1:02:22] we create more agitation and tension and

[1:02:25] uh more errors of judgment in the mix.

[1:02:28] So I could go on but I see the the clock

[1:02:30] has moved past uh uh 15. So let's call

[1:02:34] it to a close there and offer these

[1:02:37] thoughts for consideration this

[1:02:38] afternoon.

[1:02:41] But please take a break and uh there

[1:02:44] should be some tea and refreshments

[1:02:46] available and then we'll gather back

[1:02:48] together 20 past for some questions and

[1:02:51] further dhamma discussion.

[1:02:56] May I invite everyone to gather back

[1:03:00] down. Please bring your tea with you if

[1:03:02] you like. Don't spill it on the carpet.

[1:03:07] out of kindness to the carpet cleaners.

[1:03:12] [snorts]

[1:03:18] So I always like to remind people to if

[1:03:21] they have questions to please keep them

[1:03:23] somewhere close to the theme for the day

[1:03:26] [snorts]

[1:03:27] if uh if possible. uh the the I think

[1:03:30] the uh theme of loving kindness/radical

[1:03:34] acceptance and uh has a lot to explore.

[1:03:38] So please if there are questions that uh

[1:03:42] to focus on that that area and some of

[1:03:45] the things I said or other things to do

[1:03:46] with loving kindness meditation

[1:03:49] please uh there's a microphone there so

[1:03:52] please feel free to ask and please use

[1:03:54] the microphone so everyone can hear the

[1:03:56] the questions.

[1:04:03] Uh thank you for the talk. Very

[1:04:05] interesting. Um just some advice on um

[1:04:11] I think I need radical acceptance on

[1:04:13] certain things. But if there are certain

[1:04:15] things that kind of just trigger me all

[1:04:17] the time and I'm thinking a little bit

[1:04:20] like when you were talking about um the

[1:04:23] amount Americans spend on a obesity. So

[1:04:26] here it's all like you know a lot of

[1:04:28] people are taking fat jabs asic maro you

[1:04:32] know weight loss jabs and they're paying

[1:04:34] a [clears throat] lot of money

[1:04:35] >> and inside of me I just feel oh why

[1:04:38] don't you just you know lose weight and

[1:04:40] not spend the money and obviously you

[1:04:42] know could be medical uh exceptions to

[1:04:45] that but I've got friends who are you

[1:04:48] know clearly spending money on that and

[1:04:49] I think oh you know it just it's a

[1:04:51] constant sort of irritation for me so

[1:04:54] would the wise thing be for me to sort

[1:04:56] of remove myself from that those

[1:04:59] arguments situations or sort of go into

[1:05:03] sort of more of an insight and say, "Oh,

[1:05:05] what is it about this that irritates

[1:05:08] me?" And you know, sort of any advice

[1:05:10] you could uh give would be most welcome.

[1:05:13] >> Thank you. Yes, good questions. Well, uh

[1:05:16] I'd say first of all uh working on your

[1:05:19] own attitude rather than other people's

[1:05:22] uh

[1:05:24] behaviors. you know that [snorts] that's

[1:05:25] really where things start is is how the

[1:05:28] mind relates to that. So um yeah so uh

[1:05:33] that um having I would say having a

[1:05:36] radical acceptance for your own

[1:05:38] discomfort with those issues. I mean

[1:05:41] that's where we think oh uh I I find

[1:05:43] myself upset by how much people are

[1:05:46] spending on on on that. So what's here

[1:05:48] is that upset feeling. That's what's

[1:05:50] present. So having an acceptance for

[1:05:53] that upset feeling

[1:05:56] and then again when we talk about

[1:05:58] acceptance it can imply passivity. I

[1:06:01] hope I indicated [laughter] that that

[1:06:04] again it's a way that the English usage

[1:06:07] can be mistaken. So um because it's it's

[1:06:11] similar when we talk about letting go or

[1:06:12] non-attachment that it can be heard as

[1:06:15] saying oh therefore freeze don't don't

[1:06:17] say anything. Yeah, but I'm practicing

[1:06:19] non-attachment,

[1:06:20] you know, so you know, freeze and don't

[1:06:23] do anything. But we can practicing

[1:06:26] non-attachment can also be not attaching

[1:06:28] to your hesitancy and can actually

[1:06:32] result in us doing more being more

[1:06:34] proactive because we're we're um not

[1:06:38] attaching to our uh our kind of um

[1:06:42] our

[1:06:44] anxiety about causing a problem or or

[1:06:46] confronting others. And so that letting

[1:06:49] go can sometimes entail more activity,

[1:06:52] more taking more initiative. So with

[1:06:54] acceptance is that then uh accepting

[1:06:58] that those anxious or agitated feelings

[1:07:01] with respect to your friends or you know

[1:07:04] associates

[1:07:05] uh wasting money as you might as you

[1:07:08] perceive it or or spending so much on

[1:07:10] that. Um and then that knowing that

[1:07:14] feeling in yourself and like I say from

[1:07:16] myself within myself if I find my mind

[1:07:18] very agitated about something like how

[1:07:21] can he do that then okay don't say

[1:07:24] anything don't say anything just yet

[1:07:26] wait till it's um the that that feeling

[1:07:29] has been a bit more digested and then if

[1:07:32] a moment comes where something can be

[1:07:34] said you wait for the moment and then

[1:07:36] then speak up so that you're not

[1:07:38] speaking from a reactive place, but

[1:07:41] you're you're taking in what's

[1:07:43] happening. You're take you're taking in

[1:07:44] your own the mind's uh feelings in

[1:07:48] relationship to that. And then u and

[1:07:51] that that kind of pausing um just

[1:07:54] letting things settle a bit that helps

[1:07:56] us to be more responsive rather than

[1:07:58] reactive. That makes it again it can the

[1:08:02] English can sound like the same thing.

[1:08:03] Well, it's the same thing. No, it's not.

[1:08:05] I would say that when we're responding

[1:08:07] there's a uh things are taken in there's

[1:08:10] an acceptance and then okay now what

[1:08:12] looks like the best way forward and so

[1:08:15] um and the feeling the the intuition

[1:08:18] might be well this isn't the moment to

[1:08:20] speak but that does seem really out of

[1:08:23] balance so let's see if an opportunity

[1:08:25] arises and then see what words arise

[1:08:28] what what's a good thing to say and and

[1:08:30] in that um the less you script things

[1:08:34] the

[1:08:35] If you got if you got your kind of text

[1:08:37] worked out, well, when I get the

[1:08:39] opportunity, I'm going to say ABCDE E

[1:08:41] FG. It's like

[1:08:44] it's a kind of 100% record of wrongness.

[1:08:48] [laughter and snorts] It's like so and I

[1:08:50] did a lot of scripting in my past, you

[1:08:52] know, and it was always painful and not

[1:08:55] the, you know, just missed the mark. So

[1:08:58] but if you're if the mind is really

[1:09:00] attuned to the situation then then just

[1:09:04] trust that you know the best words will

[1:09:05] come you know the appropriate words will

[1:09:07] come and the way you frame things. So so

[1:09:11] I hope that covers some of your

[1:09:13] questions.

[1:09:18] >> Thank you Ajan for that uh insightful uh

[1:09:21] teaching today. Uh I just have this

[1:09:23] question in my mind when you were

[1:09:25] talking about radical acceptance. Uh it

[1:09:28] becomes even harder at work. Uh

[1:09:31] especially in the context of I'm not

[1:09:33] saying I'm good at it otherwise but at

[1:09:35] work my radical acceptance is nowhere.

[1:09:39] [laughter]

[1:09:40] I I try to uh I try to tell myself I

[1:09:44] don't have to like them to love them. Uh

[1:09:47] but doesn't always work. And uh so uh I

[1:09:52] was just uh thinking about it in the way

[1:09:54] that uh in a context where you are

[1:09:57] always judged, compared, evaluated you

[1:10:01] know that kind of context. I find that

[1:10:04] uh radical acceptance to be even harder

[1:10:08] you know and and and at the same time

[1:10:11] sometimes more accepting ourselves you

[1:10:15] know as we were just talking about as uh

[1:10:18] Lump Sumedu keeps saying it's more about

[1:10:21] accepting radically accepting our own

[1:10:24] thoughts you know and and all of that

[1:10:27] becomes even more difficult when I'm

[1:10:30] judged compared evaluated by the

[1:10:32] context. So any insight Sajad would be

[1:10:35] useful.

[1:10:37] >> Uh good question. Um

[1:10:41] the uh yeah in a way you you describe

[1:10:45] the the key things and and as I was

[1:10:47] saying about mindfulness of awkward

[1:10:49] feeling you know that if you if you know

[1:10:52] you're stepping into a situation

[1:10:54] where you are uh

[1:10:58] uh say it's standard to be um

[1:11:03] seen in those in certain ways or acted

[1:11:06] upon or related to in certain ways like

[1:11:08] Well, that's the that's the game here.

[1:11:12] Uh and and so that the more that you

[1:11:14] recognize, okay, well, this is the game

[1:11:16] I'm playing. I'm stepping into this

[1:11:17] arena. Okay, let the games begin.

[1:11:22] Uh again, kind of saying it playfully,

[1:11:25] but yes, it's like I used to play a lot

[1:11:28] of rugby.

[1:11:30] I was a rugby player and uh when I was

[1:11:32] in in uh school and um it's it's it's a

[1:11:37] it's a contact sport. there's a lot of

[1:11:38] vi is a lot of aggression and uh

[1:11:41] physical contact but uh and I've I've

[1:11:44] mentioned this in a few talks but in

[1:11:46] seven years of me playing rugby from the

[1:11:48] age of about 10 to 17 I never saw

[1:11:52] anybody deliberately try and hurt anyone

[1:11:54] else in all those matches

[1:11:58] it's it's impactful I got a broken nose

[1:12:02] and you know various

[1:12:05] various damage that didn't you know

[1:12:06] never quite healed

[1:12:08] Um but uh and so it's it's aggressive

[1:12:12] but you know at the end of the game

[1:12:13] you'd shake hands with the other

[1:12:14] opponents and or if you you you not you

[1:12:17] crashed into someone and they didn't get

[1:12:18] up you know you you stay there and help

[1:12:20] them to get up and make sure they're

[1:12:22] okay. So that's the game but you you

[1:12:26] you're uh off the pitch it's different.

[1:12:31] So uh in a similar way if you're

[1:12:33] stepping into the work environment you

[1:12:34] know I'm being judged for my work record

[1:12:38] or I'm being judged for my um my accent

[1:12:42] or you know I've been judged for um how

[1:12:44] much money I managed to make the company

[1:12:46] or didn't you how valuable I I'm seen to

[1:12:50] be and so um and that's challenging I

[1:12:54] fully agree.

[1:12:56] So for and as of I've often mentioned

[1:12:58] how I was uh by habit I was very anxious

[1:13:02] and had a lot of anxiety and uh and of a

[1:13:06] lot of performance anxiety you know like

[1:13:09] when I was playing rugby I wanted to win

[1:13:10] you know was captain of the team a lot

[1:13:12] of the time um you want to win winning

[1:13:15] is good losing is not good and so and

[1:13:19] and I came into the monastery and I

[1:13:22] didn't realize not just with rugby but

[1:13:23] also you know academic performance

[1:13:25] performance and so on. And I didn't

[1:13:27] realize the degree to which I was

[1:13:29] conditioned to success per performance

[1:13:32] and approval and afraid of poor

[1:13:36] performance. Yeah. Losing a match or or

[1:13:39] not passing an exam or coming low

[1:13:41] getting low marks and such like and uh I

[1:13:45] had no clue that I had brought all of

[1:13:47] that conditioning from when I was about

[1:13:49] three years. I started kindergarten when

[1:13:51] I was three and that you know you start

[1:13:55] performing well and you get gold stars

[1:13:57] and a pat on the head and say oh Marvin

[1:13:59] everyone's smiling you know and you got

[1:14:02] these gold stars this is good um do more

[1:14:05] of this get get more of that [snorts]

[1:14:08] reinforcement and so I was in the

[1:14:11] monastery for quite a few years before I

[1:14:12] realized I'm terrified of failing and I

[1:14:16] and and I really like succeeding And it

[1:14:19] was actually here at Amrabati um sort of

[1:14:21] in the late 80s.

[1:14:24] And [snorts] uh every morning we gather

[1:14:26] in the old salah and Lo tomato would

[1:14:29] would usually offer morning reflections

[1:14:31] while our tea got cold and the par and

[1:14:33] the rice grill solidified and he'd offer

[1:14:35] kind of these sort of worldtoppping

[1:14:37] amazing illuminating reflections for

[1:14:39] half an hour 45 minutes and it's just

[1:14:42] absolutely incredible days wonderful. Um

[1:14:45] and then we'd sort of discuss the sanga

[1:14:48] business and the work routine at the end

[1:14:49] of that and so there was a kind of and

[1:14:52] every the whole community would be there

[1:14:54] every morning with lump tomato in the

[1:14:55] middle. So it was kind of like this uh

[1:14:58] with the whole you know all the nuns the

[1:15:00] monks the lay people all gathered around

[1:15:02] every day. So when we came to be

[1:15:04] discussing the work routine or having an

[1:15:06] exchange with with the Ajan um it's very

[1:15:09] public there 60 70 80 people there and I

[1:15:12] began to notice that if I was I was

[1:15:14] often an organizer or the work monk or

[1:15:16] the secretary or whatever and so I often

[1:15:20] had things to say at those meetings and

[1:15:22] if I said something that was that was

[1:15:24] impressive or funny and everyone

[1:15:28] and I could feel this yes kind of the

[1:15:31] cat that got the cat getting the cream

[1:15:33] feeling like yes

[1:15:36] and then if I made a wise crack and then

[1:15:37] everyone just looked at the carpet

[1:15:40] was

[1:15:42] it's like breaking into a million pieces

[1:15:44] and that sort of repeated itself and

[1:15:47] there was and this was within these

[1:15:49] years I was beginning to beginning to

[1:15:50] really acknowledge and understand how

[1:15:53] much anxiety was there and how to work

[1:15:56] with it. I thought this is amazing. You

[1:15:58] get approval and you feel this is an

[1:16:00] absolute absolute good and you get

[1:16:02] disapproval and it's the world is just

[1:16:05] is is ended. Look at that. And so along

[1:16:09] with working on anxiety and as a as a

[1:16:13] physical feeling and and

[1:16:15] talking about working and Lorato very

[1:16:18] helpfully talked a lot about mindfulness

[1:16:19] of emotion in that era and various

[1:16:21] practices. So along with so I decided to

[1:16:25] make looking at my anxious reactions as

[1:16:29] a sort of centerpiece of practice

[1:16:33] and and I saw that a lot focused around

[1:16:36] approval and disapproval and that was

[1:16:39] had become a kind of serious currency.

[1:16:42] So uh along with other aspects of it

[1:16:46] I developed this this little mantra and

[1:16:49] the mantra was just do what you do and

[1:16:52] let the world make of it what it will

[1:16:56] and at first even to have that thought

[1:16:58] it's like no no no no no don't even

[1:17:00] think that it's like it was it was it

[1:17:02] was a kind of strong reaction just to

[1:17:05] the concept like and it was like oh wow

[1:17:08] look at that you know something just

[1:17:10] didn't want to even go near such an

[1:17:12] idea. Oh, that's okay. That [snorts]

[1:17:14] must be the direction to go because the

[1:17:17] idea of just letting people think about

[1:17:20] uh what I did or how I was and and and

[1:17:24] to aspire to being economous

[1:17:28] was just totally weird idea. So, I I

[1:17:32] developed that and I was use that all

[1:17:33] the time. Just do what you do and let

[1:17:35] the world make of it what it will. And

[1:17:37] so then and I would also as a followup

[1:17:39] I'd say some people will like it, some

[1:17:41] people will dislike it and most people

[1:17:42] won't even notice.

[1:17:45] And then there's something kind of there

[1:17:47] was an intuitive sense of like I think

[1:17:49] that's absolutely correct. [laughter]

[1:17:52] And then you uh and so I was also up

[1:17:55] until that point I'd always tried to be

[1:17:57] like the perfect monk kind of doing

[1:17:59] everything sort of to the ultimate like

[1:18:00] this sort of not lying down for three

[1:18:02] years and and always all sorts of

[1:18:04] aesthetic practices and trying to always

[1:18:06] be first to the work site and last to

[1:18:08] finish and so on and so forth. And so

[1:18:12] also during that time I sort of relaxed

[1:18:14] my aror as it were and just okay let's

[1:18:19] try and be an ordinary monk like you

[1:18:20] know no no no no no no no no I've got to

[1:18:22] be the best and oh look at that you

[1:18:25] don't have to be the captain here you

[1:18:27] you just be be an ordinary monk and then

[1:18:29] also and I've often mentioned this

[1:18:31] during that time one of the other senior

[1:18:33] monks here casually remarked to me you

[1:18:36] know you're much easier to live with

[1:18:37] since you stopped trying to be Perfect.

[1:18:41] So I didn't know whether to be insulted

[1:18:43] or encouraged. It was very helpful. Ajan

[1:18:47] Sang was

[1:18:49] [snorts]

[1:18:50] so it was a very helpful remark.

[1:18:53] Oh [laughter] simultaneously [snorts]

[1:18:56] affronted and relieved.

[1:18:59] Yeah that's there there it was. It's

[1:19:00] true. And so after a couple of years two

[1:19:03] or three years

[1:19:05] I found that to be extraordinarily

[1:19:06] helpful. Again, not just sort of

[1:19:07] dismissing people. I don't care what

[1:19:09] they think because in a aversive like

[1:19:12] viva like pushing away, but just don't

[1:19:16] create the idea of what they the

[1:19:18] mysterious they who judge your life

[1:19:20] think. And some people will love it,

[1:19:22] some people will hate it, most won't

[1:19:24] even notice. And then the world got so

[1:19:27] much more spacious

[1:19:30] on account of that. And so you you can't

[1:19:33] stop the reactions because they're

[1:19:35] already caused by a lifetime of

[1:19:37] conditioning like you from the age of

[1:19:39] three that uh you know you're getting

[1:19:41] praised for for succeeding and and

[1:19:44] criticized for for for losing. Um but uh

[1:19:49] it just getting you getting to know the

[1:19:51] conditioning and then steadily working

[1:19:53] against it. And so uh and that was it

[1:19:56] took a lot of work but it was

[1:19:57] extraordinarily helpful. And uh you know

[1:20:00] that uh and actually made you it made it

[1:20:03] easier to work [laughter]

[1:20:05] kind of more effective in what you do

[1:20:06] because you're not worried about or

[1:20:08] concerned about what they the mysterious

[1:20:10] they who sort of sit in the courtroom

[1:20:13] judging everything that we do what they

[1:20:16] think and and it became clear that there

[1:20:18] isn't really a they

[1:20:21] just a passing impression in this person

[1:20:23] or that person and that um

[1:20:26] [snorts]

[1:20:27] it was

[1:20:29] During that time also I was co-leading a

[1:20:31] retreat with Ajan Suriri Pa uh who's um

[1:20:35] not Siri Po she was a a nun a Scottish

[1:20:39] nun who was here for quite a long time

[1:20:42] and started off she was very anxious

[1:20:44] about about teaching she hadn't been in

[1:20:47] the teaching seat very much we were

[1:20:48] co-leading the retreat like a 16-day

[1:20:50] retreat together and um and she uh uh

[1:20:55] the so I gave the first two or three

[1:20:56] talks then she got up onto the the the

[1:21:00] central seat and and gave a talk about

[1:21:02] third or fourth day and she sort of

[1:21:04] about 10 minutes in she just froze

[1:21:08] sitting there silent. Oh, you appear to

[1:21:10] be fro frozen. My bad Scottish accent

[1:21:14] and uh and then she spoke for a few more

[1:21:16] minutes and then froze again and then

[1:21:17] sort of called it to an end. And then

[1:21:20] afterward, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I

[1:21:22] I just don't don't want to do that

[1:21:24] again. please don't, you know, don't

[1:21:25] don't make me don't make me get in the

[1:21:27] in the teaching seat again. So I said,

[1:21:29] "No, no, I think it's all right. It's

[1:21:31] all right." And um

[1:21:34] and then uh the next couple of times

[1:21:36] managed to persuade her to to take up

[1:21:38] the the seat and give some evening talks

[1:21:40] and then she got more and more fluent

[1:21:42] and then by the end of the retreat, you

[1:21:44] know, she couldn't stop. She was like

[1:21:46] [snorts] hour and hour and quarter hour

[1:21:48] and 20 minutes, you know, she just had

[1:21:50] lots to say. Um but it was very

[1:21:52] interesting. um uh in that first part of

[1:21:56] the retreat when uh she was sort of

[1:21:59] stopping and being quiet for like

[1:22:00] sometimes like five or 10 minutes 50 you

[1:22:02] know long silent pieces when we had the

[1:22:05] interviews um one of the one of the

[1:22:08] retreatants said a I don't mean to be

[1:22:10] rude but yeah I really like the way that

[1:22:14] Ajan Siri Pioneer just stops

[1:22:17] and kind lets us digest what she's been

[1:22:19] saying you just go on and on and on,

[1:22:22] [snorts] you know, there's no there's no

[1:22:24] break. So, you know, I'm not trying to

[1:22:27] be be impolite, but you know, I I really

[1:22:29] do like the way she just lets us. So,

[1:22:32] for her, again, she might watch this.

[1:22:35] She won't this isn't being recorded or

[1:22:37] she won't see this, but uh I have great

[1:22:39] respect. It was a very lovely time. It

[1:22:41] was great great collaboration that but

[1:22:44] uh it I felt it was so sweet. the people

[1:22:47] from inside her, she's like dying a

[1:22:49] thousand deaths and like this is

[1:22:51] terrible. This is awful. And someone in

[1:22:53] the group was like thank goodness you

[1:22:56] know five minutes just to stop and be

[1:22:58] still and take it in and then she starts

[1:23:00] again. This is great. So

[1:23:03] So what how uh how what we do is being

[1:23:07] read is unpredictable.

[1:23:10] So just do what you do. Let the [snorts]

[1:23:12] world make of it what it will. Some

[1:23:13] people will praise it. Some people

[1:23:15] criticize it and you you know you tr

[1:23:16] you're trusting that you're doing your

[1:23:18] best.

[1:23:19] You're you're trusting that uh you're

[1:23:21] doing what you can and um that is the

[1:23:26] the the best that can be can be done and

[1:23:28] um and if there's feedback that you're

[1:23:31] when I when that retreat and say that to

[1:23:33] me I'll go try and slow down a little

[1:23:35] bit. [laughter]

[1:23:37] My perception of time seems to change

[1:23:39] when I start speaking or chanting that I

[1:23:42] think I'm going quite slowly and others

[1:23:45] so many words I

[1:23:51] so um in in that stepping into the arena

[1:23:55] also okay I shouldn't expect this to be

[1:23:58] like me at home with my cat it isn't

[1:24:00] that way it's the workplace and it's a

[1:24:03] dynamic environment like you know it's a

[1:24:05] rugby

[1:24:07] this is what you do. You slam into each

[1:24:08] other and yes, that's the game. So, you

[1:24:11] expect it. So, um that sense of

[1:24:15] consciously stepping into the arena,

[1:24:18] okay, that the games begin and then and

[1:24:20] then when it's finished, when you're

[1:24:22] back home with your cat or whatever out

[1:24:24] of that, okay, now how does this how

[1:24:27] does this feel and what's the result of

[1:24:29] that? And then you can re review.

[1:24:33] there's a sort of um looking back what's

[1:24:36] called vimmansa or reviewing okay how

[1:24:39] was that where were the times that I got

[1:24:42] carried away or or that I was really

[1:24:44] agrieved at how someone acted or I was

[1:24:47] really pleased with myself and how was

[1:24:49] it so there's that reviewing not to

[1:24:52] inflate the sense of self but just to to

[1:24:55] learn okay what what brought a

[1:24:57] beneficial result what what didn't

[1:25:04] Please have a few more minutes time for

[1:25:09] any other questions.

[1:25:19] All doubts are ended.

[1:25:24] Yes. Can you use the microphone?

[1:25:42] Aan um I um would like to ask about um

[1:25:47] loving and kindness.

[1:25:50] Um

[1:25:52] for myself um I do believe I uh care

[1:25:57] with uh so many people and um

[1:26:02] includes all the worker and everything

[1:26:04] even the neighbor uh around my permacy

[1:26:08] and uh at home too. But uh seem to be

[1:26:13] like all the I mean I

[1:26:19] uh

[1:26:21] whatever I been treat I mean if I give

[1:26:23] love to them or loving kindness be you

[1:26:26] know care and love to them it seem like

[1:26:30] um

[1:26:33] I got back like they took me for granted

[1:26:36] everything

[1:26:38] and um I just

[1:26:41] or whatever the things I give

[1:26:45] except I make it too much or um should I

[1:26:50] stop

[1:26:53] but if I do that I mean everything

[1:26:56] everyone I do it I never thinking to

[1:27:00] receive thing back

[1:27:02] >> but I don't want they you know

[1:27:06] they take it for granted I think when

[1:27:09] they take it granted and then I going to

[1:27:12] say something and then I feel like oh

[1:27:15] probably they need it okay [laughter]

[1:27:19] but then it's if but it's coming too

[1:27:22] much in the end I feel like um I don't

[1:27:26] know what to say aan in the end I have

[1:27:29] to okay just okay gone think like that

[1:27:34] and the lastest one before that the

[1:27:36] neighbor I mean the uh next to My

[1:27:39] premacy asks if they can have the space

[1:27:42] building uh the just a little bit plot

[1:27:46] for uh their worker at least they can

[1:27:49] rest because from the back of my permacy

[1:27:52] it's got long uh place and then I said

[1:27:56] if you want to use it for um your worker

[1:28:01] okay it's no problem at least they can

[1:28:05] rest because they're working daytime but

[1:28:07] and not to take overs too much. And then

[1:28:11] when they build up, it's take over. I

[1:28:13] say it's it's uh it's block my um the

[1:28:18] container on the back of my permacy. So

[1:28:21] then you rather to move out of it and in

[1:28:24] the end they say bill already but um if

[1:28:28] uh it's blocked in the future

[1:28:31] uh can take it they will happy to take

[1:28:34] it off. I say okay I don't know what to

[1:28:38] say John in the end I said okay but if

[1:28:41] it's uh problem uh becoming or coming in

[1:28:46] the future and then uh you have to

[1:28:48] remove it and things like that I said

[1:28:51] why give this and then they want more

[1:28:53] and more and then the worker we agree to

[1:28:58] be in like a to leave if want to leave

[1:29:02] is like a in a month time they said Two

[1:29:05] week it should be enough. They tell me

[1:29:07] two week should be enough. [gasps] And I

[1:29:09] thinking oh it must be something they

[1:29:13] desperately.

[1:29:14] >> Mhm. [clears throat]

[1:29:15] >> And uh how can I deal with this aan in

[1:29:17] the [laughter] future? I just too much

[1:29:21] going on.

[1:29:22] >> Well, we can

[1:29:24] we can take the um sometimes the kindest

[1:29:28] thing to do is to say no.

[1:29:31] You know that you're you're a mother.

[1:29:33] >> Uhhuh. So um yeah, if you always say yes

[1:29:36] to your children, everything that they

[1:29:38] want from when they're like 2 years old,

[1:29:41] it's you get problems,

[1:29:43] I would imagine.

[1:29:45] >> So that uh sometimes the kindest thing

[1:29:47] is to say no. Not because I don't love

[1:29:50] you and not because I don't care, but

[1:29:51] the answer is no. Mhm.

[1:29:53] >> So um we can

[1:29:57] we take the idea of generosity too far

[1:30:01] if it needs to be combined with wisdom

[1:30:03] as well as as well as kindness. So that

[1:30:08] um because if we have a like an

[1:30:10] automatic yes yes yes take take

[1:30:12] everything like Prince Vantra. Yeah.

[1:30:17] Then it can be um actually not helpful

[1:30:22] not just for us but for the other people

[1:30:23] that they get used to you know Ana's a

[1:30:25] soft touch keep keep asking and she'll

[1:30:28] keep giving and so that's not very

[1:30:30] helpful for them either. They don't they

[1:30:33] don't learn their own boundaries. So I

[1:30:35] don't make people's decisions for them.

[1:30:37] But um uh one way that you can work with

[1:30:41] how to decide around particular issues

[1:30:43] is that instead of you being Ana,

[1:30:47] if Ana was your friend and your friend

[1:30:50] Ana comes to you and says this these

[1:30:52] people are next door to me, they just

[1:30:54] ask for such and such. Yeah. How does

[1:30:56] that sound to you? If you can you follow

[1:30:58] what I'm saying? So there so if you

[1:31:01] you're not if you pretend you're not

[1:31:03] Ana, you're a friend of Ana, right?

[1:31:07] And then she comes to you and says, "Oh,

[1:31:09] the my neighbors want to do such and

[1:31:11] such." Um, uh, then what advice would

[1:31:15] you give your friend Ana? So that you're

[1:31:18] kind of stepping out of your own life

[1:31:19] and looking at it from the outside if

[1:31:22] you were if you weren't Ana, but you

[1:31:24] were Ana's friend

[1:31:26] and and somebody came and and she came

[1:31:29] to you and said, "Oh, my my neighbors

[1:31:30] are asking to do this and this and this

[1:31:32] and this. What do you think?" And if

[1:31:35] you've stepped out of your own shoes and

[1:31:37] you look at it from from the outside,

[1:31:40] you know, look what's in the jitter. And

[1:31:42] then if that make does that make sense

[1:31:44] to you? So that uh uh and this is a

[1:31:48] really useful exercise because we get so

[1:31:50] identified with how I should be and uh

[1:31:53] and you what I what I see as a a good

[1:31:56] way. But if you kind of step out of your

[1:31:58] own shoes and look at your look at your

[1:32:00] life from from a little bit of a

[1:32:02] distance, if you weren't Ana, if you

[1:32:04] were Ana's friend, what advice would you

[1:32:05] give her? And then often it's kind of

[1:32:08] automatic.

[1:32:09] Again, you make your own decisions. I'm

[1:32:11] not going to decide for you. But when

[1:32:14] you step out of your own shoes and you

[1:32:16] look at your life from the outside,

[1:32:17] often it's a much clearer like say,

[1:32:20] well, of course it's totally stupid.

[1:32:22] Don't do that. Or like, yeah, that's

[1:32:24] it's not an issue. So you you get a bit

[1:32:27] more it's a a way of using your ability

[1:32:30] to to reflect to to consider

[1:32:36] uh it's like a skillful way of of

[1:32:39] looking at the situation. So just ask

[1:32:42] yourself if I was Ana's friend

[1:32:45] uh and Ana came to me with this problem

[1:32:48] what's the first thing I would say to

[1:32:50] her and just you know watch what arises

[1:32:56] they years years ago um I occasionally

[1:33:01] went to Eselin Institute in California

[1:33:04] quite far south of Hyeri monastery is

[1:33:07] north of San Francisco and Eselin was

[1:33:09] down on the coast about three or four

[1:33:11] hours south of San Francisco, but

[1:33:13] occasionally I was invited to go down

[1:33:15] and spend time there. And um one of the

[1:33:18] people who was a sort of a a founder and

[1:33:21] kind of significant

[1:33:24] person who taught Esim was a kind of

[1:33:26] alternative psychology and therapy and

[1:33:29] spiritual center on the California

[1:33:32] coast. And there was a a man who used to

[1:33:35] teach there and and work there called

[1:33:37] Fritz Pearls. P E R L S Fritz pearls and

[1:33:40] he and he developed something called

[1:33:42] Gestalt therapy and in Gestalt therapy

[1:33:46] they had this practice of what's called

[1:33:47] the two chairs and uh and I I I don't

[1:33:51] think I'd even heard of this before but

[1:33:52] when one time I was down there and this

[1:33:55] uh this woman was chatting to me and I'd

[1:33:58] known her from retreats and and talks

[1:34:01] and such like and she happened to be

[1:34:02] there at the same time and she had a big

[1:34:05] struggle with her son

[1:34:07] and um the uh uh what what just to to

[1:34:11] share the story. What had happened was

[1:34:13] that uh her her husband had been uh a uh

[1:34:18] very uh uh unreliable person, an

[1:34:22] alcoholic and had caused all kinds of

[1:34:24] difficulty in the [clears throat] in the

[1:34:26] family and growing up and was very

[1:34:28] unreliable and and just couldn't stop

[1:34:30] drinking. And this woman was a very very

[1:34:34] kind, very dear person. But eventually

[1:34:36] um that uh things had got uh just got

[1:34:39] too much and she said you know we can't

[1:34:41] we can't live together anymore and um so

[1:34:44] you know you have to go and she had a

[1:34:46] 9-year-old son at the time that they had

[1:34:50] that she had and so then um again just

[1:34:54] to to share the story. So then she um

[1:34:57] she had said yeah look we can't live

[1:34:59] with this. It's terrible for for all of

[1:35:01] us and the boy in particular. So, you

[1:35:03] know, you have to go. And so, he um then

[1:35:07] had a car crash. He was drunk and

[1:35:10] crashed the car and died in the car

[1:35:12] crash. And uh so she blamed herself

[1:35:17] uh from when the boy was 9 years old.

[1:35:19] And this and she was a very very

[1:35:21] tenderhearted person, very caring

[1:35:23] person. And so the the death of her her

[1:35:26] ex-husband

[1:35:28] just was constantly in her heart. and uh

[1:35:31] and her son was by that by that time in

[1:35:33] his mid20s

[1:35:35] many many years ago that that had

[1:35:37] happened [snorts] and she she said she

[1:35:39] was still carrying it around and um and

[1:35:42] it was this huge burden in her life and

[1:35:44] so she said that um she'd uh she tried

[1:35:48] all sorts of different meditations and

[1:35:51] therapies and this and that and then she

[1:35:52] had been at Eselin and she'd tried this

[1:35:55] Gestalt therapy with the two chairs and

[1:35:58] um what and this This therapy, the

[1:36:01] practice is you you sit in one chair

[1:36:04] facing an empty chair and you you open

[1:36:08] your heart to the person that you're

[1:36:10] trying to work things out with. They

[1:36:12] aren't there. It's an empty chair, but

[1:36:14] you So, in this exercise that she's

[1:36:17] talking to her her son, uh she's

[1:36:21] imagining her son is there and so she

[1:36:24] she pours out her heart. She was

[1:36:26] describing this to me in the in the

[1:36:27] dining room at Esther. It kind of

[1:36:29] happened fairly recently. He said, "So,

[1:36:32] I'm just saying all the things. I'm

[1:36:33] terribly sorry. I've ruined your life.

[1:36:34] You know, ever since you were 9 years

[1:36:36] old, if I hadn't kicked your dad out and

[1:36:38] then he wouldn't have got so so drunk

[1:36:39] and he wouldn't have crashed the car and

[1:36:40] he wouldn't have died and and um yeah,

[1:36:42] I've ruined your life and it's all my

[1:36:44] fault." And um and so she said, "I'm

[1:36:47] pouring it all out and and and

[1:36:49] apologizing and just crying and telling

[1:36:51] him how how I'm sorry I am." And then

[1:36:55] and then the job was to then get out of

[1:36:57] the chair she was sitting in and then go

[1:36:59] and sit in the other chair. And she

[1:37:02] said, "I thought this was pretty hokey,

[1:37:05] but what what good is this going to do?

[1:37:07] It's just a different chair, you know."

[1:37:09] But then the idea was that you sat in

[1:37:11] the position of her son like stepping

[1:37:13] out of her seat and then sitting uh and

[1:37:16] she said, "Aan, it was so weird. I

[1:37:20] hardly sat down." And immediately I'm

[1:37:23] saying, "Mom, [snorts] it's not your

[1:37:26] fault."

[1:37:28] It was so weird. And uh anyway, she she

[1:37:32] described this experience uh like it was

[1:37:34] hearing her her son was nowhere near. It

[1:37:36] was hund hundreds of miles away. So I

[1:37:39] could hear his voice coming out of me

[1:37:41] saying, "Mom, don't be stupid. It was

[1:37:43] not your fault. You worked so hard. You

[1:37:45] did everything you could. It was it

[1:37:47] wasn't your fault. You know, stop

[1:37:48] blaming yourself. You know, you there's

[1:37:50] nothing to forgive." and and she's like,

[1:37:52] "Oh." So, I took I took careful note of

[1:37:55] that. I thought, "This sounds like a

[1:37:57] really neat practice." [laughter]

[1:37:59] And so, um, what I was just describing

[1:38:02] to you is the kind of pocket version

[1:38:04] [snorts] of the two chairs, the kind of

[1:38:06] Buddhist uh low tech version of the of

[1:38:09] the two chairs practice. So, you step

[1:38:11] out of Anna's chair of how Ana should be

[1:38:15] and then step in. the perfect Anna would

[1:38:18] would be like this and this and this and

[1:38:19] this and the perfect Anna would always

[1:38:21] be like that and to step out of that and

[1:38:24] sit in the other chair and be Ana's

[1:38:26] friend say and then uh then see what

[1:38:29] advice comes from Ana's friend to to her

[1:38:33] and this and it's and I I've I've given

[1:38:36] this advice to many many people over the

[1:38:38] years and it's it's kind of it's got a

[1:38:41] very uh impressive track record for most

[1:38:44] people it's like as soon as you say it's

[1:38:46] not me as if I was my friend. There's a

[1:38:49] you you are able to kind of bypass your

[1:38:52] sort of self-image of how I should be.

[1:38:55] It kind of goes around that and then

[1:38:57] your common sense,

[1:39:00] your own natural common sense is much

[1:39:02] more able to be accessed. You think what

[1:39:04] are you talking about?

[1:39:07] So I I won't guarantee that it has a

[1:39:09] such a dramatic effect. But that was uh

[1:39:12] that really stayed that was a long time

[1:39:14] ago that I had that conversation and uh

[1:39:17] and my experience of of working in that

[1:39:19] way is uh it's it's a very effective uh

[1:39:23] tool for wise reflection.

[1:39:26] So we're now at 1559. The hours have

[1:39:30] gone by so let's call it to a halt

[1:39:33] there. Thank you very much for your good

[1:39:35] questions.

AB
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He means loving-kindness practice that is not run as a fixed sequence of people, categories or places to recite in order. He argues that rigid structures, such as moving through every family member, every animal and every invisible being, can turn the heart's intention into a memory exercise that blocks the feeling it is meant to produce.
Ajahn Amaro recounts a day-long event at a US Buddhist center titled 'I hate meta,' organized after a teacher found that loving-kindness meditation brought up aversion and irritation. The title points to a real experience: when the method feels mechanical or forced, it can provoke resistance instead of warmth.
The brahmaviharas are the four sublime abidings, and mettā, loving-kindness, is first on that list. Ajahn Amaro also notes that mettā appears second-to-last among the ten pāramī, or spiritual perfections, which shows how central it is across Buddhist teaching.
In this talk, Ajahn Amaro links mettā to acceptance and suggests that brushing off or pushing away discomfort is itself a lack of acceptance. The practice, on his account, has to include irritation, pain and difficulty as well as pleasant states.
Ajahn Amaro's emphasis suggests starting with the feeling actually present, rather than with a required list. A single sincere wish, offered to yourself or one person, can be more useful than running through every category, and noticing when the method becomes a checklist is itself part of the practice.
Ajahn Amaro is a Buddhist monastic teaching at Amaravati Buddhist Monastery, which the talk title and channel identify. This Sunday talk, with a question-and-answer session, was given on 18 October 2026, near the end of the Rains retreat.
The recording is on the Amaravati Buddhist Monastery YouTube channel, and more teachings in audio and ebook form are available at amaravati.org under the Teachings menu. Event details are listed on the monastery's calendar page.

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