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[1:22] So welcome to everyone who's come to
[1:24] this uh Sunday afternoon talk. Uh this
[1:28] is getting towards the end of the reigns
[1:30] retreat the vasa period. So this just uh
[1:34] this Sunday and next one for our Sunday
[1:36] afternoon talks and then the that
[1:38] program comes to its end. So the theme
[1:41] for today is meta without a formula. So
[1:46] those of you who've been around Buddhist
[1:48] practice for some years, that will make
[1:50] sense. For those of you who just walked
[1:52] into Amirati for the first time today
[1:54] might be wondering what what's that? So
[1:59] uh the uh the word meta means loving
[2:02] kindness or loving friendliness
[2:05] and is one of the say principal um uh
[2:10] wholesome qualities that the Buddha
[2:11] encouraged people to uh to develop.
[2:14] loving kindness um along with with many
[2:17] many others and um in the classical sort
[2:21] of Buddhist tradition you can say
[2:23] certainly in the southern Buddhist world
[2:26] uh loving kindness meditation meta
[2:29] bhavana is a a very very common theme
[2:32] it's a very um much used kind of
[2:35] practice and often uh along with
[2:38] concentration practice and insight
[2:40] practice samata means means calmness
[2:44] concentration, settledness,
[2:46] collectedness, uh vipasana, insight, uh
[2:49] uh the development of wisdom. So loving
[2:52] kindness meditation is often included uh
[2:55] along with um those uh other kinds of
[2:58] meditation practice and uh
[3:02] [clears throat] the the say the the
[3:05] story or the uh the thinking behind that
[3:07] title. Uh and as I often say, I don't
[3:09] think up these titles. I I collect them
[3:11] from the members of the community and I
[3:13] sort through them and uh pick out ones
[3:15] that look interesting. Um so
[3:18] [clears throat] so the uh uh with
[3:19] respect to today's title meta without a
[3:21] formula is a very very often loving
[3:24] kindness meditation is um put forward in
[3:28] a very formulaic way. There's there's
[3:30] standard ways or very classical ways
[3:33] that loving kindness um meditation is is
[3:36] described or is guided and um and so
[3:39] that uh say that structure or that way
[3:44] of teaching loving kindness meditation
[3:46] in a very formulaic or very um say uh uh
[3:52] um specifically crafted way. Some people
[3:55] find that very helpful, some people find
[3:57] it not very helpful. And uh I thought it
[4:00] would be a a good theme to explore for
[4:02] this afternoon. when I was living in the
[4:05] states uh in America for quite a long
[4:07] time about 15 years or so and I remember
[4:10] um I didn't actually attend this event
[4:12] but one of the um uh events at a local
[4:15] Buddhist center um a dayong meditation
[4:18] was under the title I hate meta
[4:21] [laughter]
[4:23] because of the experience that
[4:24] particular dharma teacher had found that
[4:26] that um whenever loving kindness
[4:28] meditation was on was on the menu it
[4:30] would bring up these feelings aversion
[4:32] irritation like ah
[4:35] that uh so it was an attention catching
[4:38] title for a for a day long. So I didn't
[4:42] we didn't choose the title of I hate
[4:43] meta for today but I thought explore the
[4:46] the area.
[4:48] So uh again for those who are not
[4:50] familiar with um these kind of tra uh
[4:53] practices or traditions
[4:56] um so loving kind uh one of the the the
[4:59] chants that we do very very often and um
[5:02] uh is used thoroughly throughout the
[5:05] southern Buddhist world in the terravada
[5:06] countries um is a a recitation of some
[5:10] of the teachings
[5:12] may I may I be happy may I be well may I
[5:14] abide in well-being
[5:17] may May all beings be happy. May all
[5:19] beings be well. Um so forth. And so um
[5:23] that's as I said it's a very very common
[5:25] teaching and and loving kindness is a a
[5:28] an emotional quality highly praised by
[5:31] the Buddha. It's there in in first on
[5:33] the list of the four Brahma viharas, the
[5:36] four sublime abidings or or say um sub
[5:40] refined emotional states. it's there um
[5:43] second to last in in the list of
[5:47] of the 10 parameters the 10 spiritual
[5:49] virtues and and a number of other
[5:51] places. So when meta meditation is
[5:55] described um often um there's a so you
[6:00] start off with having loving kindness to
[6:02] yourself
[6:04] may I be well may I be happy and then uh
[6:07] there uh is a sort of it depends on the
[6:10] on the teacher or the particular
[6:12] structure but it can be start start off
[6:14] with may I be may I be well may I be
[6:16] happy and then your immediate family may
[6:18] my mother my father my sisters my
[6:19] brothers my children uh may they all be
[6:21] well may they be happy. May they be free
[6:23] from suffering. And then my cousins,
[6:25] first cousins, second cousins,
[6:28] grandparents, grandchildren,
[6:30] um going through all the family members.
[6:33] And then um it can go through
[6:36] uh different people that you're
[6:37] associated with, people that you that
[6:39] you know well, people that you know well
[6:41] that you like, people that you know well
[6:42] that you don't like, people that you
[6:44] know that you're indifferent to, um and
[6:47] uh people that you don't know very well.
[6:49] and and so it can be um quite sort of
[6:52] systematic in that way going through uh
[6:54] a kind of categories of relationships.
[6:57] Um uh also then it can go on from the
[7:00] after you finish the humans then you go
[7:02] on to the the the birds and the animals,
[7:04] the fishes, the insects, the the the
[7:06] manylegged, the no-legged, the the
[7:09] tentacled, the the finned, the
[7:11] feathered. And it can end up like a kind
[7:14] of biology lesson, you know, that you're
[7:16] trying to did I did I do the fishes yet
[7:18] or you know where where do the neatodes
[7:21] belong you and so it can get I'm kind of
[7:25] joking not joking it having done this
[7:28] practice myself you can trying to
[7:30] remember where you are where you are in
[7:32] on your list going through all the
[7:34] different categories of of beings and
[7:35] then getting to the invisible beings
[7:37] like davas and and and ghosts and
[7:39] spirits and Brahma gods and dragons and
[7:43] and uh uh pixies and flower davas and so
[7:48] on and so forth. So going through
[7:50] different categories of beings and the
[7:53] um the intention is to be spreading
[7:55] loving kindness but the the actuality of
[7:58] of going through a list and and using
[7:59] your memory and your your thinking
[8:01] faculty in that way it can be something
[8:05] obstructive or obstructive and not very
[8:08] helpful. Um similarly another kind of
[8:11] meta meditation is more geographical.
[8:13] You start off where you are. of may I be
[8:16] happy, may I be well and then may the
[8:18] the people nearest to me in the in the
[8:19] shrine room may
[8:22] tano
[8:24] any fisa
[8:26] ajang kaka may they be well may they be
[8:29] happy and then sort of second row third
[8:31] row fourth row you know everyone here in
[8:33] the shrine room in the silo at Amravati
[8:36] everyone on the campus of Amraati all
[8:37] the beings uh in the in this area the
[8:40] the ones under the ground the ones on
[8:42] the surfaces the ones up in the air May
[8:45] all beings in this area be happy. Then
[8:47] great Gadston, little Gadston, you the
[8:50] decorum, the burrow of decorum and sort
[8:52] of spreading out in a geographical way
[8:55] and and again um uh it's can be done
[9:00] with great sincerity and great and some
[9:01] of you are thinking well yeah that's
[9:02] really good. That's how I've always done
[9:04] meta. What's wrong with that? But in the
[9:06] very process of trying to kind of stay
[9:09] with the geography like where is
[9:11] Bedfordshire?
[9:13] Bedfordshire that's up to and you kind
[9:14] of get get caught up and get tangled in
[9:16] the Yeah. Isn't it interesting Oxford is
[9:19] actually due west of Amraati isn't that
[9:21] No, it can't be. That's right. Look at
[9:23] the map and you know you can get
[9:25] entangled in just the the the details
[9:27] and and then if you cross the channel
[9:30] going south is that where where do you
[9:33] meet France and you know and it's
[9:36] getting in the way of loving kindness
[9:37] you know you're getting uh sort of
[9:39] distracted by the mechanics of that. So
[9:42] I'm kind of making fun of it but also uh
[9:45] pointing out how it becomes not fun and
[9:48] how you end up with this I hate meta
[9:49] mentality because somehow the intention
[9:53] is to cultivate loving kindness but the
[9:55] process whereby it's being sort of
[9:57] promoted or intended is getting in the
[10:00] way of the very thing that it's intended
[10:01] to produce and that that translates into
[10:04] I would say many other areas of our life
[10:07] that we're trying to do something say to
[10:10] help our family or help our monastery,
[10:12] but the very way that you're trying to
[10:13] help your monastery or help your family
[10:14] or help the society um has results that
[10:18] are painful or obstructive or are not
[10:20] helpful at all as as you find out or is
[10:24] is fed back to you.
[10:26] So um uh in this respect um when uh when
[10:32] uh Loato first came to England in the uh
[10:35] in the 1970s he he arrived in May of 77
[10:39] um uh to settle in London. He came to to
[10:43] England with Ajin Sha that year. He
[10:45] visited briefly in 76 um but he came to
[10:49] the invitation of the English Sanger
[10:50] Trust to to settle in uh the Hamstead
[10:53] Vihara in London on Havto Hill and uh he
[10:56] hadn't taught very much in the west
[10:58] before he'd been in America a little bit
[11:00] to visit and he'd been in England for a
[11:01] few days and um so when he uh started
[11:05] teaching in London on a regular basis
[11:06] maybe a few of you were were there at
[11:08] the Hamstead Vihara back in the old days
[11:11] uh I was still a hairy student just down
[11:13] the road in London University at the
[11:15] time. So I lived a mile away from the
[11:17] hamster vihara while I loosed and loocha
[11:20] were there. I had no idea like I was on
[11:22] primrose hill. They were on Havto Hill.
[11:25] Had no idea that literally a mile away
[11:27] there was some this great spiritual
[11:29] resources. Had to go to Thailand to find
[11:32] them.
[11:33] So anyway uh so and and so here is Ajan
[11:37] Sumo doing his best to to uh teach
[11:40] Buddha Buddha Dama on invitation in
[11:42] England. say teach concentration
[11:43] practices, mindfulness of breathing and
[11:46] and walking meditation, sitting
[11:48] meditation, teaching insight practice,
[11:50] wisdom of vipasa meditation and uh
[11:54] reflection on impermanence,
[11:55] unsatisfactoriness, not self and the the
[11:58] standard um practices to develop
[12:00] insight, to develop vivasa and um those
[12:04] were very much appreciated. But then he
[12:06] found when he started teaching meta in
[12:08] in this kind of um formulaic way of may
[12:11] I be well may may my mother and father
[12:13] be well may my sister and my
[12:14] brother-in-law be well may and then um
[12:18] [clears throat] he started to get
[12:19] feedback from the people who are
[12:20] visiting the vihar again maybe some of
[12:22] you were the those good people who gave
[12:24] him the feedback saying tanjan
[12:27] [clears throat]
[12:29] yeah this is um yeah when when you talk
[12:31] about loving kindness in this way in
[12:33] this kind of meditation yeah it's It's
[12:36] so sentimental.
[12:38] It's really off-putting. It just it
[12:40] doesn't arouse loving kindness and
[12:41] wholesome states at all. It's quite
[12:44] frankly a John is really annoying, you
[12:46] know. And so there because and you could
[12:48] see with with for a western audience
[12:51] that could be a kind of there could be a
[12:54] sppy sentimental quality. May I be happy
[12:56] and particularly for sort of I'm I'm
[12:59] English so I can I think I can speak for
[13:01] for the English and also southeastern
[13:03] English. Home count is English, so we
[13:06] can have a rather sort of stiff upper
[13:08] lip. Oh, dear.
[13:10] May I be happy. Oh, good grief.
[13:15] Again, I'm sort of cranking it up a bit,
[13:17] but I think people get the sense of of
[13:19] what I mean. It can be a bit uh a bit
[13:22] too sentimental and sloppyish and sort
[13:24] of Walt Disneyish. Um, and so and he
[13:27] took note of that. Lumpors made as a
[13:29] very um creative and and adaptive a very
[13:33] imaginative teacher and he sort of took
[13:35] note okay the the aim is to produce
[13:38] positive and wholesome mind states the
[13:39] result is is kind of frowning around the
[13:43] room and and uh and a few people several
[13:46] people having the same kind of
[13:47] experience that this is coming across in
[13:49] a very sentimental sugary you know um
[13:52] think pink kind of way as it was an
[13:54] American expression of think pink you
[13:56] know be positive
[13:59] and having the the the opposite effect.
[14:02] Um so he he began to to to teach loving
[14:06] kindness in different ways and also not
[14:07] just him but you there are different
[14:10] ways of of teaching loving kindness
[14:12] meditation. [snorts] So, uh I was on a
[14:15] retreat with him um uh in in in the
[14:19] states one time. He was giving a a
[14:21] two-eek long retreat there and uh he he
[14:24] um decided to combine loving kindness
[14:26] meditation with mindfulness of
[14:28] breathing. So, kept it very very simple.
[14:30] So rather than having a whole list of
[14:32] things uh he um sort of conjured up the
[14:36] the the practice of uh on the inb breath
[14:39] raising the thought um may I may I be at
[14:42] peace and then on the out breath may all
[14:44] beings be at peace. That was it very
[14:47] simple. So a formula but a very simple
[14:49] formula rather than going through a
[14:50] whole kind of catalog
[14:53] in on the inb breath may I may I be at
[14:55] peace on the out breath may all be being
[14:57] all beings be at peace and that didn't
[14:59] have the sentimental or um such a strong
[15:02] sentimental or complicating uh result
[15:05] and also another way of loving kindness
[15:08] meditation that is not so formulaic that
[15:10] uh that I've used and I found quite
[15:12] quite helpful uh that I can't recall
[15:16] after all these is exactly where I heard
[15:18] it. But um it's to to start off by
[15:22] finding the feeling of loving kindness
[15:24] to to to think of some some person or or
[15:29] in England often an animal, a pet. Like
[15:32] if you have difficulty having great
[15:34] loving kindness towards other family
[15:36] members or or other humans, you think of
[15:38] your cat, you know, or your your dog.
[15:41] And uh there's we frequently get asked
[15:43] to offer blessings for animals that have
[15:45] passed away. Just this morning there was
[15:46] one so that often and again as a as an
[15:49] English person and and my parents met
[15:52] because they were dog lovers that's why
[15:55] I I was born and my sisters because my
[15:58] parents were both bularia breeders
[16:00] that's how they met so I come from a dog
[16:02] loving family and so I can relate to
[16:04] that the English in in particular can be
[16:09] a bit sort of cold and distant towards
[16:11] other humans but when it comes to the
[16:13] when it comes to the you know the the
[16:14] Labrador Hello. Hello.
[16:17] >> Who's a good boy? Who's a good boy?
[16:18] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[16:22] Again, joking, not joking. [laughter]
[16:25] So um to bring to mind some other being
[16:30] that you have genuine affection for just
[16:33] un uh unqualified benevolence towards a
[16:36] being to whether it's your your your
[16:39] husband your wife your child your your
[16:41] your mother your father your your dog
[16:43] your cat your horse I grew up there also
[16:46] I grew up in a horse riding horse riding
[16:48] family as well so dogs and horses were
[16:52] my childhood companions
[16:55] So uh you bring to mind that uh being
[16:59] that you have so unqualified limitless
[17:01] uh kindness and benevolence towards and
[17:03] then uh and then having brought that to
[17:08] feeling to mind then let go of the the
[17:10] the person or the animal or whoever it
[17:12] is that has uh been the cause of that
[17:14] and then just sustain the feeling like
[17:16] it like starting a fire in your heart
[17:18] lighting the lighting the lamp and
[17:20] letting that uh that quality be be
[17:23] nurtured. it so that you oh this is the
[17:25] feeling of benevolence. This is true uh
[17:27] friendliness. This is this is limitless
[17:30] kindness. Here it is. It feels like
[17:32] this. And then having got the feeling
[17:34] for it rather than just the idea or the
[17:36] word meta. Do meta practice as a an idea
[17:38] as a sort of conceptual construct to
[17:41] have the feeling and then start from
[17:43] that. and then to be uh radiating that
[17:46] out uh just in a less structured but a
[17:49] more generalized way around from
[17:52] yourself from your own heart into the
[17:53] room and into the the space around.
[17:56] So that's one one kind of method. U I
[17:59] believe Lumpos may have taught that in
[18:01] the past. I've certainly taught that in
[18:03] in the past and found it very helpful.
[18:06] So but uh the uh the main theme I
[18:09] thought to to focus on for today was
[18:12] during that time when Lumpur got that
[18:14] feedback from the various um uh people
[18:17] uh his own students who were coming to
[18:19] to visit the Hamstead vihara and in the
[18:22] early days of Chitthurst, he realized
[18:24] talking in terms of meta as uh as loving
[18:27] kindness, he thought well yeah because
[18:29] in this language in English when we love
[18:31] something we use the word love it almost
[18:34] automatically implies liking
[18:37] and that and what's one of the things
[18:38] that's causing it to go sour and feel
[18:41] off and sentimental is that people are
[18:44] assuming that we're trying to make
[18:46] ourselves like everything but not
[18:48] everything in the universe is likable.
[18:50] You know you people that you clash with,
[18:53] having a headache for, you know, a day
[18:55] and a half, having a a twisted ankle or
[18:59] a a massive debt that needs to be paid
[19:02] off. you know, you can't like a headache
[19:04] or you can't like a you know, a twisted
[19:07] ankle or or these issues in in our life
[19:10] or in our mind. And so he thought this
[19:13] is a this is an issue with it's it's the
[19:15] languaging. So to to always call call
[19:18] meta loving kindness, it's being
[19:21] misinterpreted. So as I said, he's a
[19:23] very creative teacher. So he said, well,
[19:26] let's see if we can talk about it in a
[19:28] different way. So he coined the phrase
[19:30] not dwelling in aversion. Then people
[19:33] could relate to that ah not a dwelling
[19:35] in aversion because um we can uh even if
[19:40] there's something that we don't that is
[19:42] not likable like a you a challenging
[19:45] neighbor or a a three-day headache or
[19:48] you know twisted ankle you can't like it
[19:50] but you but you can find a place where
[19:52] you don't hate it where you're not
[19:54] dwelling in aversion that even that
[19:56] which is not likable doesn't mean to say
[19:58] that we have to to fear it or create
[20:00] aversion towards it uh if you can see
[20:03] the difference so that we can be kind
[20:06] towards that which is not likable.
[20:08] Right? And that was the the key piece.
[20:10] So he he for years and years that was
[20:12] the languaging he used not dwelling in
[20:14] aversion.
[20:16] And so that um [clears throat] that uh I
[20:20] feel is a is a helpful starting point to
[20:22] for for reflection about meta without a
[20:24] formula. So then uh that was the kind of
[20:27] languaging that that he used and I was I
[20:30] spent about 13 years just living in the
[20:33] same monasteries as Lumpur at Chihurst
[20:35] for a few years and then after a couple
[20:37] of years up in Northland I was here at
[20:39] Amraati for another 10 years and so
[20:42] often Lumpur would use that language of
[20:44] not dwelling in aversion but then over
[20:46] time it slightly sort of changed bit by
[20:49] bit because as I said he he would pay
[20:51] attention to what was working and what
[20:52] was getting the message across to people
[20:54] and what was meaningful.
[20:55] and uh and he realized that using the
[20:59] word acceptance, the meta as acceptance
[21:02] was even more effective. You know, not
[21:04] dwelling in aversion can seem a bit sort
[21:06] of well, at least don't at least don't
[21:08] hate. Well, [laughter] it's a little bit
[21:10] more than that. And so he began to to
[21:13] talk about meta as acceptance. And I
[21:15] think one of his most recently published
[21:17] booklets with is a a talk with that that
[21:20] very title. Yeah. Meta as acceptance.
[21:23] And but then when he would talk about me
[21:25] meta loving kindness as acceptance then
[21:28] again he had to to kind of qualify that
[21:31] because uh when we say uh we accept
[21:34] again with English language when we say
[21:37] we accept something it can imply that we
[21:40] approve of it. So um so accepting the um
[21:45] the the uh the presence of of cruelty in
[21:49] the world we we we can't say that we
[21:52] approve of it. You're not trying to say
[21:54] a place I think that's a good thing or
[21:56] I'm happy with that. But uh acceptance
[21:59] doesn't mean approval. It means here it
[22:01] is. This is an aspect of nature. Someone
[22:04] is is a is is cheating or is a is a
[22:08] liar. someone who is who is uh cruel to
[22:11] others. Um
[22:13] acceptance doesn't mean I I like that or
[22:16] I'm I'm not going to do anything about
[22:17] it. What it means is here it is. This is
[22:19] an aspect of life. Dishonesty is an
[22:21] aspect of life. Selfishness, greed,
[22:24] jealousy, hatred. They're not wholesome.
[22:27] They're not beautiful. But they are they
[22:29] are an aspect of of our world in the the
[22:32] human world, the animal world. Uh that
[22:34] that's part of of life. So uh when we
[22:37] talk about meta as acceptance
[22:41] uh then that uh kind of tatampi meta
[22:45] acceptance does not mean approval and I
[22:48] [snorts] found it very very helpful that
[22:49] donor would emphasize that and so in the
[22:52] meditation uh then uh uh that uh that
[22:56] quality of of acceptance it's an
[23:00] openheartedness
[23:01] uh and I like to even sort of
[23:06] to uh to kind of strengthen the the
[23:09] expression by using the phrase radical
[23:11] acceptance. So that's what I've been
[23:13] using talking about meta over a number
[23:16] of years. And so that um uh that is a an
[23:22] expression of of o openness to here it
[23:26] is. This is the way nature is in this
[23:28] moment. The beautiful, the ugly, the
[23:30] neutral, the pleasant, the painful, uh
[23:32] the the mundane and here it all is. This
[23:34] is exactly the nature of this this
[23:36] moment. It feels this way with all these
[23:38] different attributes.
[23:40] [clears throat] So that um but in saying
[23:44] that you that uh uh everything that's
[23:47] natural not everything that's natural is
[23:50] useful. So we say well uh jealousy or or
[23:54] greed is natural. uh selfishness and and
[23:58] uh uh aggression are natural but they're
[24:01] not useful in terms of developing peace
[24:03] and harmony and uh and benefit for
[24:07] ourselves and others. So that uh again
[24:10] when we use the word natural it can mean
[24:12] oh therefore good not everything that's
[24:14] natural is is useful or beneficial.
[24:18] So uh then if we talk about meta in this
[24:21] way as being radic rad radically
[24:23] accepting or being openhearted
[24:27] then the question can come up so what
[24:30] about all those expressions you about
[24:32] you know uh may I be well may all beings
[24:34] be well may I be happy may all beings be
[24:36] happy what about that kind of that that
[24:39] aspect of it and so um I feel that it's
[24:42] helpful to understand that it's not as
[24:44] though what's expressed in those
[24:46] classical practices or in the in the in
[24:48] the Buddha teachings is is somehow wrong
[24:50] or lacking but I feel it's only part of
[24:53] the picture and so I feel a good way to
[24:56] understand meta in its various different
[24:58] dimensions but is that there's an
[25:01] expressive part which is may all beings
[25:05] be may all beings be well may all beings
[25:06] be happy and radiating loving kindness
[25:09] over the entire world spreading upwards
[25:11] to the skies and downwards to the depths
[25:13] as it says in the meta suta the current
[25:15] meta suta yes There's the expressive
[25:17] aspect, but there's also the receptive.
[25:20] There's the the involutionary uh uh the
[25:23] the receptive aspect. And I like to
[25:26] compare it to our breathing that the our
[25:28] breath the respiration has an inb breath
[25:30] and an outreath. And the the outreath is
[25:34] the expression, but we're we're
[25:35] expressing the carbon dioxide. The inb
[25:38] breath taking the oxygen into the body.
[25:40] I feel is a very good parallel for meta.
[25:42] I would say the real root the heart of
[25:44] meta is that receptive quality that
[25:47] openheartedness here it is the world is
[25:49] exactly this way in this moment my mind
[25:52] my body my life my world my my monastery
[25:55] my uh u my planet uh it's like this the
[26:00] the world uh this life and and the world
[26:03] is exactly this way in this moment so
[26:06] that that's a receptive openness and
[26:09] then taken into the heart uh and then
[26:13] received with with uh with wisdom and
[26:16] and mindfulness then uh what is
[26:20] expressed is uh everything um is
[26:24] appreciated as being this way. Uh
[26:26] therefore and that's the the in the way
[26:29] the gesture of the the wise awake heart.
[26:32] Therefore um I wish all beings to
[26:34] freedom from suffering, freedom from uh
[26:37] distress, freedom from from uh from
[26:39] harm.
[26:41] So that the the e expressive the the
[26:44] benevolent the outgoing quality of meta
[26:46] is kind of a result uh it's it's
[26:48] dependent upon that openheartedness. So
[26:51] that again we this can be discussed and
[26:54] people can uh welcome to uh explore that
[26:57] together but uh for me in my own in my
[27:00] experience of dharma practice that uh
[27:02] that's really uh in a way describes that
[27:05] the how the process works uh in a in a
[27:07] most sort of complete and and accurate
[27:10] way. So that uh [clears throat] we are
[27:16] uh cultivating that attitude they call
[27:18] the the Brahma viharas are called the
[27:20] sublime attitudes and how we um we
[27:25] develop that openheartedness again there
[27:27] there's many various methods so may uh
[27:31] one of the things though that I like to
[27:34] to stress in this respect is that rather
[27:37] than thinking of metabana the
[27:40] cultivation of loving kindness
[27:42] as a sort of extra practice. And often
[27:44] on on retreats like 10-day retreats or
[27:46] twoe retreats or shorter your weekend or
[27:49] five day retreats that uh often the uh
[27:53] again not always but has been the case
[27:56] where uh you'd have the the main
[27:59] practice being mindfulness of breathing
[28:01] or concentration practices and then that
[28:04] um being refined or developed into
[28:07] insight vasa practice and then you have
[28:10] a you know 10 minutes of meta at the end
[28:12] of the afternoon or have a a meta day on
[28:15] the the last day of the retreat, have a
[28:17] loving kindness day of a kind of almost
[28:20] like the the meta is a sort of a like an
[28:23] optional like an after-dinner mint, you
[28:26] know, just sort of a little sort of
[28:27] sweet thing at the end. Uh and that's
[28:29] but the real stuff is a concentration
[28:30] and insight and that the metaar is just
[28:33] sort of this oh yes right along with
[28:35] working with my defilements and learning
[28:37] how to concentrate and develop wisdom.
[28:39] Oh yeah, let's may all beings be happy.
[28:41] Let's not forget that. Again, I'm kind
[28:43] of o overemphasizing that or making a
[28:46] joke, but it's also kind of joke, but
[28:48] not a joke because I feel that rather
[28:51] than the cultivation of meta being a
[28:54] sort of optional extra um a kind of uh
[28:59] [snorts] after dinner mint, so it's not
[29:01] too derogatory.
[29:04] After dinner mints are quite nice.
[29:06] I haven't had dinner in the evening for
[29:09] long time
[29:12] after lunch anyway. So you know what I
[29:14] mean. So the um uh I feel it's better
[29:18] and more helpful to understand that that
[29:22] that attitude of radical acceptance is
[29:25] essential for any kind of of mental
[29:28] training any kind of meditation that you
[29:30] can't really develop concentration
[29:32] without that radical acceptance as a as
[29:35] a a ground of attitude. You can't
[29:38] develop insight without that quality of
[29:41] radical acceptance. There has to be an
[29:43] openness of heart to the present
[29:45] reality. Here it is. Whether I like it
[29:47] or I don't like it, whether I feel it
[29:49] should be here or shouldn't be here or
[29:51] or uh whatever is is is happening. Here
[29:54] it is. That the body is like this, the
[29:57] feelings are like this, the the mind is
[29:58] like this, the world is like this
[30:00] exactly this way. Um, if there isn't
[30:03] that attunement to the present reality,
[30:06] it's I find is impossible to really
[30:09] develop concentration or insight because
[30:13] you're uh the if you start off with the
[30:16] idea, you know, I I need to concentrate
[30:17] or I'm going to be developing um uh
[30:21] insight
[30:23] then and if there isn't that openness of
[30:25] heart, if there isn't that attunement to
[30:27] the body and the feelings and the the
[30:29] mental landscape, then you're you're
[30:31] you're starting from where you're not.
[30:33] It's like trying to drive the car from
[30:34] the back seat. It's like everything's
[30:37] out of reach. You can't you can't get to
[30:38] the pedals and the the steering wheel is
[30:40] hard to get hold of because you're
[30:41] you're not in the driving seat. So, I
[30:43] would say that attunement to the present
[30:45] reality is like being in the driving
[30:47] seat. I mean, now I know they have
[30:49] driverless cars nowadays, so these
[30:51] analogies run out. I used to use the
[30:53] analogy of getting onto the getting onto
[30:56] the train while it's while it started
[30:57] moving. you can't use that anymore
[30:58] because you can't get through the door
[31:00] if the train is moving nowadays. So, you
[31:02] have to adapt your analogies to the
[31:05] changing technology. So, anyway, as long
[31:08] as cars still need a driver, I would say
[31:11] that that radical acceptance is like
[31:14] climbing into the driving seat and
[31:16] feeling the steering wheel and the
[31:18] pedals and so on. that you're you're
[31:21] attuning to what's here rather than than
[31:23] uh sort of uh starting with an idea of
[31:27] wanting to be concentrated or wanting to
[31:29] to uh develop wisdom um without that
[31:34] quality of acceptance without that
[31:36] quality of attunement to to the body and
[31:38] the mind and the the feelings.
[31:41] So um the uh with respect to uh to that
[31:47] developer development of radical
[31:50] acceptance you
[31:52] feel and in in that role of working with
[31:56] the the mind and the body and the in
[31:59] terms of of our life meditation uh that
[32:03] it's helpful to to uh so explore that
[32:07] again not just as an idea but to to look
[32:09] at the different dimensions of our
[32:11] physical and mental world to see well
[32:14] where where is that attunement that
[32:17] acceptance lacking and how can it be
[32:20] developed and like many aspects of
[32:21] Buddhist Buddhist meditation you you
[32:23] start where you're from and so uh in in
[32:27] these reflections and again we can open
[32:29] things up for questions and discussion
[32:31] uh in the second part but uh so to look
[32:35] at how does my mind not accept the body
[32:40] We we talk about you know radical
[32:41] acceptance um with the rupacanda the
[32:45] this our own body other people's bodies
[32:47] the material world yeah we uh just to
[32:51] look at what we don't accept what we
[32:53] don't what we don't like how we we uh
[32:56] carry judgments around like I wish my
[32:58] body wasn't like this I wish it was like
[33:00] that you know that when I had my um uh
[33:04] 70th birthday at the beginning of
[33:06] September um some good person said Oh,
[33:10] uh, I bet you wish it was your 50th
[33:11] birthday, not your 70th. And I went,
[33:13] "What?"
[33:14] I mean, they meant it. They were very,
[33:16] they were being kind. And maybe they're
[33:17] here today, so I'm not trying to be
[33:18] rude, but they were but it was kind of
[33:21] to me, you know, as a sort of
[33:23] professional meditator, it was it was a
[33:26] kind of, oh, what, you know, what a
[33:28] strange thought. But in ordinary
[33:30] society, it's like people casually
[33:32] mention regretting getting older.
[33:35] casually mentioned you the hair falling
[33:37] out and wrinkles appearing and
[33:39] everything moving southwards
[33:42] for northern hemisphere kind of analogy
[33:45] that uh so you know I'm 70 years old now
[33:48] that that face in the mirror first
[33:50] especially first thing in the morning
[33:54] wow you know what happened to him you
[33:58] but that's an that's an ordinary feeling
[33:59] nothing wrong with that it's just that
[34:01] oh that that's not a that's not a
[34:04] 30-year-old face anymore. It's a it's a
[34:06] 70-year-old face, of course.
[34:10] So, how casually we judge our own our
[34:15] own body, the ruper, this is our own
[34:17] physical form. We judge other people's
[34:19] bodies. Um attractive person,
[34:21] unattractive person, impressive person,
[34:23] unimpressive person, you know, the uh
[34:26] how how we feel we should be, how we
[34:27] could be. Um uh how uh if we have
[34:31] illnesses, um how uh how we relate to
[34:35] the body getting sick. Uh I'm I'm
[34:37] certainly not advocating never taking
[34:39] medicine or or seeking medical help when
[34:42] when it's appropriate. I'm uh I'm taking
[34:45] a number of of medications every day
[34:48] nowadays. Uh so I'm not advocating kind
[34:51] of not looking after the body, but just
[34:54] again to notice how much we don't
[34:56] accept, how much we we just make casual
[35:00] comments and complaints and criticisms
[35:02] um about uh ailments about how uh uh
[35:06] about appearance, about the capacities
[35:09] of of hearing and seeing and mobility
[35:11] and and so on and so forth. And uh again
[35:15] it's it uh we often don't notice these
[35:18] things and those kind of judgments are
[35:20] very uh very common in society in our
[35:22] families and in the in the world in
[35:24] general. But to to notice that to to be
[35:28] um uh not resenting the aging process
[35:32] when you look in the mirror and you
[35:33] think wow
[35:35] what happened to her what happened to
[35:36] him that oh here it is this is there's
[35:40] nothing going wrong with the aging
[35:41] process. It might not be what we would
[35:45] prefer on an ego level, but here it is.
[35:47] This is the this is the way it is. And
[35:49] so that uh noticing those casual
[35:53] judgments, that lack of acceptance.
[35:56] [snorts] And again in my position as the
[35:58] abbot of this monastery and meeting many
[36:00] many people who come to come to visit
[36:02] and and oftentimes when people do have
[36:05] illnesses or or their own or or members
[36:08] of their family and and then with great
[36:10] sincerity they can say well yeah this
[36:12] isn't fair. I don't I don't deserve
[36:14] this. And you know and again I'm not
[36:17] trying to make fun of anyone but it's
[36:20] they feel well you know I I I keep fit.
[36:22] I have a good diet. I I I uh I look
[36:24] after myself. how can I have this
[36:26] illness? You know, I'm only 45 years
[36:28] old. And so
[36:31] that and quite sincerely asking that.
[36:34] And uh so we we have the Buddha's
[36:36] teaching that is a you know a great
[36:39] benefit that along with
[36:43] may I be may I be may I be happy. You
[36:46] have the five subjects of frequent
[36:47] recollection. I'm of the nature to age.
[36:50] I'm of the nature to sicken. I'm of the
[36:52] nature to die. All that is mine, beloved
[36:54] and pleasing will become otherwise will
[36:56] become separated from me. I'm the owner
[36:58] of my karma, heir of my karma, born of
[37:00] my karma, related to my karma, abide
[37:02] supported by my karma. Whatever karma I
[37:04] shall do for good or for ill of that I
[37:06] will be the heir. So this is the Buddha
[37:09] advised for frequent recollection by lay
[37:12] people and monastics you every day. And
[37:15] some people hear that uh or come to the
[37:17] monastery and uh and you hear this kind
[37:20] of recitation. I'm of the nature to age.
[37:22] I'm of the nature to sicken. I'm of the
[37:24] nature to die. It's like I came to the
[37:26] monastery to be happy. This is really
[37:28] depressing. Like can I can I leave now?
[37:32] You know. Uh but the Buddha was
[37:34] infinitely compassionate. And it's his
[37:36] great compassion saying read the small
[37:38] print. This is the program. Don't be
[37:42] surprised. Those hairs that were not
[37:44] gray, they are now gray. If they are
[37:46] still there, you know they have not all
[37:48] fallen out. Yeah, they that is ordinary.
[37:52] This is normal. Um,
[37:55] and so as I say in the states, get with
[37:58] the program. [laughter]
[38:00] And so it's a great kindness to to to
[38:03] help us to cultivate that quality of
[38:06] acceptance just on the level of our own
[38:09] body, the people around us. when I was
[38:13] uh when I was again when I was living I
[38:15] haven't seen the statistics recently but
[38:16] when I was living in the states
[38:19] uh I remember um reading a statistic uh
[38:23] that there was something like I'm sure
[38:25] the numbers much much higher now but
[38:27] that that particular year uh 90 billion
[38:31] dollars had been spent in the US on
[38:33] cosmetic surgery
[38:36] 90 billion with a B
[38:39] and that was quite a long time ago I've
[38:41] been here in England for 16 years. So
[38:44] it's maybe not a whole order of
[38:46] magnitude bigger but certainly that and
[38:49] I'm not again I'm not mocking people and
[38:51] it can be have a very strong emotional
[38:54] uh meaning and value to to have a kind
[38:57] of good appearance but to me that's
[38:59] that's startling you sp that within one
[39:02] country 90 billion dollars are spent in
[39:04] a year
[39:07] on what I look like and wanting to look
[39:09] a certain way and not want to look not
[39:11] wanting to look another
[39:13] Um and so you know Buddha Dharma can
[39:16] save you a lot of money. So [laughter]
[39:20] again joking not joking that the um that
[39:25] uh
[39:27] uh that noticing and appreciating oh
[39:30] look uh here is that which is pushing
[39:32] that away which is wanting to negating
[39:34] that. And then the Buddha's
[39:35] encouragement is like, well, meet that,
[39:37] receive that and and uh uh don't think
[39:41] of that as anything going wrong. Again,
[39:43] duty. I'm not saying don't go to the
[39:44] doctor. I'm sure there's lots of doctors
[39:46] here, medical people, nurses, and
[39:48] carers, therapists, and so on. I'm not
[39:51] advocating not seeking treatment and
[39:53] doing what we can to work with our
[39:55] ailments. But to not add on that feeling
[39:59] of wrongness, that's the duka. There's
[40:01] the duka, which is painful feeling.
[40:03] There's the duka, the suffering of of of
[40:06] aging and illness, but that's ordinary
[40:09] pain, ordinary illness, and we can
[40:12] experience that without creating the the
[40:14] other dooka of stress and the feeling of
[40:17] wrongness around that. So with with
[40:20] respect to this this particular part of
[40:22] the theme, one of the aspects of
[40:24] acceptance that I feel is really
[40:26] significant and there's a bit of a
[40:28] contrast between the southern Buddhist
[40:30] world and the northern Buddhist world is
[40:32] you have quite a number of instances
[40:35] maybe six or seven maybe eight or eight
[40:38] or nine instances uh when the Buddha is
[40:40] giving a dama talk to like an assembly
[40:42] of people and then uh in his old age he
[40:46] had chronic back pain and uh he would
[40:50] turn to Mahakana or Saruta or Anand and
[40:53] say you know Ananda my back is paining
[40:56] me the assembly is still wide awake I'm
[40:59] going to go and stretch my back I'm
[41:01] going to lie down and stretch my back
[41:03] you carry on giving a a dam talk and
[41:06] it's not just once it's like several
[41:07] times with different elders so not only
[41:10] did the Buddha have chronic back pain
[41:13] but he would interrupt a dumb talk to go
[41:15] and lie down
[41:17] and so he took action to relieve the
[41:20] pain in his back and he was aware that
[41:22] the again I I hesitate well I don't
[41:25] hesitate to second guess the Buddha but
[41:28] I should hesitate a bit more than I do
[41:30] but so to me it's it's it's interesting
[41:33] that the Buddha is giving a dhamma talk
[41:35] and I am guessing but noticing the pain
[41:38] in my back is interrupting what I'm
[41:41] saying and how I'm saying it and so it's
[41:44] in this the pain is being intrusive.
[41:46] Therefore, I need to do something to
[41:49] serve the the group of people who are
[41:51] interested and awake and eager to to
[41:53] learn. But the the pain in my back is is
[41:57] uh intruding. And so again, I'm guessing
[42:01] and
[42:02] uh [laughter]
[42:04] I'm not risking any thunderbolts. I
[42:06] don't think that's not not in our
[42:07] tradition. But uh certainly I I do feel
[42:10] I'm a bit presumptuous. So saying what
[42:12] the Buddha was thinking. But if you it's
[42:14] there in the sutas several times over
[42:16] and to me it's extremely significant
[42:18] that the the sutras would record that
[42:21] and not as an aspect of weakness of the
[42:23] great master but the fact that he had
[42:27] physical pain and he had to take action
[42:29] to relieve it and he was incapable of
[42:32] suffering. is completely enlightened,
[42:34] totally beyond suffering, but he would
[42:36] still take action to work with the
[42:38] limitations of the body uh out of
[42:41] compassion for his body and his life and
[42:43] also out of compassion for the the
[42:45] people who are gathered together. So to
[42:47] me it's a that even though those things
[42:49] are not known as as sort of you know
[42:51] super profound teachings to me it's like
[42:54] that's a really amazing message that's
[42:56] really quite wonderful and a good signal
[42:59] for the for the for all of us who are
[43:02] the Buddha's students and and follow the
[43:04] Buddha's way that we shouldn't be afraid
[43:08] or or apologetic to
[43:11] take action to look after our bodies to
[43:13] look after our lives and do what we need
[43:15] to do to take care of things and it's
[43:17] like okay serving the needs of the
[43:19] moment go take a take a break go and
[43:22] stretch stretch your back if uh that's
[43:25] what that's what's needed so anyway um
[43:28] uh on the level of rupacanda to develop
[43:31] acceptance there's uh a lot of potential
[43:36] material there but just to put that into
[43:38] the mix for people to consider and of
[43:40] course you know it overlaps with the
[43:43] other uh kundas feeling and perception
[43:46] But uh so uh with with respect to
[43:49] feeling particularly painful feeling um
[43:52] we also uh as as a society and a human
[43:56] family we do a lot to get away from
[43:58] uncomfortable feelings and to uh to get
[44:03] comfortable
[44:04] to we're afraid of discomfort and uh we
[44:08] we kind of work very hard and our
[44:11] western society and and the kind of
[44:13] living situation that we have in the in
[44:15] the modern world which is I would say
[44:17] very very different in in what we can
[44:19] what is are known as developed countries
[44:21] and in countries where the resources of
[44:24] of water, food, shelter and physical
[44:28] safety are far far reduced. We we are
[44:31] very blessed with extraordinarily
[44:33] comfortable and and um say uh workable
[44:37] living conditions that many people uh
[44:39] around the planet you don't have. But um
[44:43] and just to to again bring attention to
[44:47] how we can suffer because say maybe the
[44:50] thermometer on our heating system it's
[44:52] it's stuck at 23.
[44:55] Oh dear. It should be 21.
[44:59] [gasps]
[44:59] You know phone the engineer. Get someone
[45:02] in. Again making I'm kind of making fun
[45:05] but not making fun. And that uh that
[45:09] lack of adaptability we can create a lot
[45:12] of suffering in ourselves and the
[45:13] feeling of wrongness just for small
[45:16] degrees of discomfort. Uh and
[45:19] our our forest tradition um style of
[45:22] practice. Uh we we deliberately train
[45:26] ourselves in working with discomfort.
[45:29] What are called the dutanga practices
[45:30] the the the bitter practices the the
[45:33] dutangas or tudong tudanga practices.
[45:36] They are designed to challenge our
[45:38] habits around sleep, around food, around
[45:41] personal space and physical comfort. And
[45:44] so uh for for three three and a half
[45:47] years I didn't lie down. I kept the
[45:49] practice one of the dutangas of of not
[45:51] lying down. So I just sat and walked and
[45:53] and stood and didn't didn't use the
[45:56] lying down posture for three and a half
[45:58] years
[46:01] pretty much. Absolutely. Yeah. when I
[46:03] when I when I was working on a project
[46:06] and it was long long long long hours I
[46:08] thought maybe I should have a break from
[46:10] my not lying down dutanga but it was so
[46:12] weird to be lying on the floor I
[46:14] couldn't I couldn't rest because I've
[46:16] been sitting upright for for so long to
[46:19] actually I thought I'll take a break for
[46:20] a few days but then it didn't work
[46:22] because it was it was so weird to be
[46:24] lying down that it was not restful at
[46:26] all so okay give up went back to leaning
[46:29] again so after a few a few weeks or
[46:32] months of of not lying down. There is no
[46:34] comfortable posture. You know, you you
[46:36] ache I found pretty much all the time.
[46:40] But then you learn to be at peace with
[46:42] being achy that the it's not and the
[46:45] Buddha the dutangas that he allowed were
[46:47] to challenge our habits but not to
[46:50] torture ourselves. So with with respect
[46:52] to food, he didn't let his disciples,
[46:55] you know, fast until they were kind of
[46:58] completely emaciated and um would, you
[47:01] know, would starve. But uh you could
[47:04] undertake practices just like eating one
[47:06] meal a day or only eating the food
[47:07] that's put into your bowl on the arms
[47:09] round or um
[47:12] the only eating food that is uh uh at
[47:16] one sitting and not accepting anything
[47:18] other than one meal in a in a day and so
[47:20] forth. So um in terms of feeling and uh
[47:25] learning acceptance um this is the kind
[47:28] of ways that we can learn to be robust
[47:32] and adaptable. And if we notice how
[47:34] easily we create stress and difficulty
[47:36] in ourselves when something's a little
[47:39] bit away from what we would prefer.
[47:42] Again, I'm not I'm not reading anybody's
[47:43] mind, but it's extraordinarily common
[47:46] how upset we can get about what again
[47:50] objectively one might say tiny little
[47:53] details, but we can't bear it because of
[47:56] the attitude of mind. And so these
[47:58] dutanga practices and the advice of the
[48:00] Buddha uh in training applies to lay
[48:04] people as much as to monastics is um the
[48:07] more that we can learn to distinguish
[48:09] between pain and suffering
[48:13] then the the more spacious and and
[48:16] peaceful and at ease we find ourselves
[48:18] in life. So what I mean is so maybe you
[48:21] you have a a pain that you can quote
[48:24] unquote get away from. you're sitting in
[48:25] meditation and your legs are aching, you
[48:27] can change your posture and then the
[48:28] ache goes away. So, you can evade the
[48:31] pain. But sometimes we can't. You know,
[48:34] there's you've got a a broken leg or you
[48:36] got a a headache and and no amount of of
[48:40] um ibuprofen is making any difference.
[48:44] It hurts. So we can and again using the
[48:49] example of the Buddha and his back pain
[48:51] he had chronic pain but he didn't create
[48:53] any suffering around it. So the pain is
[48:56] one thing uh and the suffering around it
[49:00] and even if it's not very painful even
[49:01] if it's just a mild inconvenience the
[49:03] suffering is something extra. And so,
[49:06] uh, the, uh, an easy way to remember
[49:10] that is, um, uh, pain is pain is
[49:13] inevitable. Suffering is optional.
[49:16] I think I've even seen that on a few
[49:18] bumper stickers or t-shirts,
[49:20] coffee mugs. Yeah. But it's it's a
[49:22] slogan, but it's absolutely on the mark.
[49:25] Yeah. And so, if we take that to heart
[49:28] and then there's an acceptance of pain,
[49:30] we're not approving of it. We're not
[49:32] saying, "Oh, whoopee. I've had a
[49:33] headache for three days. I've got this
[49:36] uh this uh this twisted ankle and that's
[49:39] that's throbbing away or I've got this
[49:42] uh issue in the can be not just physical
[49:45] pain. It can be emotional pain of of
[49:47] sadness of of someone who close to us
[49:50] who's passed away or or a struggle with
[49:52] a a neighbor who's creating all sorts of
[49:55] grief in our in our lives in our family
[49:59] that you're not trying to pretend that
[50:00] or make yourself like it but that
[50:02] quality of acceptance. Oh, this is
[50:04] painful. This is not what I would wish
[50:06] for. Here it is. And to be able to tease
[50:10] apart the the painful emotional and
[50:13] physical sensations and and to recognize
[50:17] well this is this is uncomfortable. This
[50:19] is uh this is uh this is painful. Yes.
[50:23] But does the mind have to create
[50:25] suffering around it? Aha. So even though
[50:28] there can be great pain or you know not
[50:31] just physical pain but emotional pain
[50:34] social awkwardness um then we don't have
[50:37] to create a problem out of it. So one of
[50:40] the the practices that I I I like to
[50:42] encourage in in this respect is I call
[50:44] mindfulness of awkward feeling. And this
[50:47] is very applicable in the family
[50:50] business meetings
[50:52] uh on the hospital ward in the classroom
[50:55] on the underground. I was on the London
[50:57] Underground very crowded uh yesterday.
[51:01] Yesterday afternoon I had to go to
[51:03] London
[51:05] and u yeah you can be in a a socially
[51:08] awkward situation and make absolutely no
[51:10] problem out of it. So uh you know you
[51:14] can um be um challenged over something
[51:17] you're supposed to have prepared
[51:18] something and and you realize oops I
[51:20] completely forgot that. And everyone is
[51:23] looking at me thinking, you should have
[51:24] prepared this, Ajan. Yeah, you didn't
[51:27] didn't you read the didn't you read the
[51:28] notes? Ah, this is an awkward moment.
[51:32] And you're not pushing it away. You're
[51:34] not suppressing it. It's like, oh, this
[51:36] is exactly what I didn't want to happen.
[51:39] This is an awkward feeling. Here it is.
[51:41] And it's still awkward, but it's
[51:43] absolutely not a problem. And it's not
[51:44] like, oh, these idiots say that, well,
[51:46] it doesn't really matter. You're not
[51:47] brushing it off or or pushing it away.
[51:50] say, "Oh, this is the this is exactly
[51:53] what I didn't want to happen." Feeling
[51:55] here it is. So, this is extremely useful
[51:58] practice in terms of radical acceptance.
[52:01] And so, as you'll have guessed, most of
[52:03] these are to do with attitude and most
[52:06] of them are being worked with with wise
[52:08] reflection. And if you read Ajinchar's
[52:11] teachings or if you can listen to them
[52:13] in the Thai language in the original
[52:15] over and over and over again, you'll
[52:16] hear him talking about wise reflection
[52:19] looking at his own attitudes and
[52:21] questioning, challenging his own
[52:23] patterns of thinking. Um, so a lot of
[52:26] radical acceptance is to do with
[52:28] noticing the lack of acceptance,
[52:31] challenging that, meeting that, and
[52:33] letting your own mindfulness and wisdom
[52:36] be the transforming agent. not the sort
[52:39] of I should let go, but rather, oh, this
[52:42] is this is really uncomfortable and then
[52:44] the letting go happens on its own when
[52:46] you realize, well, I could have chosen
[52:49] it for it to be at 23 and I've just got
[52:51] the idea it should be at 21 if I if I
[52:54] can't open a window, maybe I can just uh
[52:57] just uh change my mind and and call 23.
[53:01] Okay. Oh, look at that. So that's
[53:06] exactly the simple kind of process that
[53:08] we can apply in all these areas. So uh
[53:11] then with perception sya
[53:14] again these all overlap with each other
[53:16] you know because there's perception of
[53:17] the body perception of other people's
[53:19] bodies perceptions of the world how we
[53:21] are lacking in acceptance in terms of
[53:25] what we perceive what we hear what we
[53:26] smell what we taste what we touch what
[53:28] we uh how we we judge the appearances of
[53:32] of of the world and and other people and
[53:35] our uh our say the fabric of our living
[53:39] situation.
[53:41] Just to notice what we call beautiful,
[53:43] what we call ugly, what we call big,
[53:44] what we call small, what we call right,
[53:46] what we call wrong.
[53:48] And how when the mind clings to its
[53:51] perceptions
[53:53] [snorts] and we just repeating habits of
[53:56] oh I don't like that color or I do like
[53:58] that color or this is delicious or this
[53:59] is disgusting. [snorts] very often if
[54:02] you if we explore and look we're just
[54:05] repeating um behaviors and and patterns
[54:09] of speech and and attitudes that we're
[54:11] just used to. we just that's our stock
[54:14] response or our stock way of relating
[54:15] and they and uh to to catch that to
[54:19] notice and say well why why do I
[54:22] complain in that way or why do I why do
[54:24] I call that wrong or why do I say oh
[54:26] that's ugly that's a really ugly
[54:28] building well do we remember that that
[54:31] was actually designed by an architect
[54:35] when they they they were paid for that
[54:37] and they spent weeks or months designing
[54:40] it helping to build it. So okay from
[54:43] this set of perceptions you can say ugly
[54:45] building doesn't belong. Um but then
[54:49] well to remember well that's just the
[54:52] perception from here that's just this
[54:54] mind's judgment. Um you know why why
[54:58] should it be in in why should it be
[55:00] thought of as intrinsically ugly? Um and
[55:03] so that that it's not that you're you're
[55:06] changing your habit. You can't just stop
[55:09] that. If you see a uh like a a quote
[55:12] unquote brutalist concrete building in
[55:14] the middle of the the English
[55:16] countryside of surrounded by woods, you
[55:18] go that's really ugly. You think, well,
[55:21] but the somebody put a lot of effort and
[55:23] thought into creating that and they got
[55:25] the local council to approve it. So,
[55:27] someone must feel it's okay and and
[55:30] beautiful. But you're not saying that
[55:32] when it hits the light hits your eye and
[55:34] and and lands in your brain your mind
[55:37] can still say ugly like still say
[55:38] painful feeling but you can appreciate
[55:41] well that's subjective that can't be the
[55:44] whole story for others it's going to be
[55:46] different and the people who live there
[55:47] might think well this is a great place
[55:50] to live it works really really well from
[55:53] the inside you know so um catching our
[55:57] judgments and I I uh found I talked
[56:02] about this a few times in recent recent
[56:04] weeks and months that um the the uh the
[56:09] very brief teaching of Lumpocha when he
[56:11] he um picked up some when someone asked
[56:14] him can you summarize the whole of the
[56:16] Buddha Dhama very briefly because he was
[56:18] listening to Lumpur talking for hours
[56:19] and hours lump you said so so much it's
[56:23] so many things my brain is not good
[56:25] enough to remember all of your wise
[56:26] words you can you summarize the teaching
[56:29] really briefly and he picked something
[56:31] up next to him and said, "Is this big or
[56:33] small?"
[56:35] That's the whole teaching.
[56:37] That's the entire Buddha Dharma. Is this
[56:40] big or small?
[56:42] And uh I'm not sure what he what he
[56:44] picked up with them. Yeah. He said if
[56:46] you want a hat, this is very small.
[56:51] Yeah. Uh if you uh if you um
[56:57] uh if you want a to drink a drink of
[56:59] water, this is this is very small. But
[57:02] um yeah, if you if you need a uh
[57:05] something to to keep some precious
[57:07] relics in, this is very big. So is it
[57:10] big or is it small? Depends on how you
[57:12] judge it. And I felt that was a an
[57:14] amazing teacher. The whole of the Buddha
[57:16] Dharma he he said that that
[57:20] just noticing how much we believe our
[57:23] judgments approve, disapprove, good,
[57:26] bad, beautiful, ugly, big, small, mine,
[57:28] yours, the the mind that can recognize
[57:31] those those judgments and and accept
[57:36] that oh this is just from this
[57:37] perspective from a particular
[57:39] circumstance. And I was uh I think this
[57:42] last talk I gave it was similar uh
[57:45] similar themes. But I do feel if we
[57:47] really let that into the heart then
[57:50] there can be that radical acceptance um
[57:54] for the perspectives of others. And I
[57:57] again I feel this is uh an aspect of
[58:00] meta and how we genuinely find loving
[58:03] kindness and respect and and u and
[58:06] harmony with other beings is that when
[58:09] we recognize that these judgments are
[58:11] necessarily subjective.
[58:13] This is not I don't experience the
[58:16] world. I experience this mind's version
[58:19] of the world. And that might seem like a
[58:22] a kind of pedantic point or a kind of
[58:25] minor point. Yeah. But it's all pretty
[58:27] similar, isn't it? A me, we all call
[58:29] this the salah. Yes. And no, you if
[58:33] you're if you're a first- time visitor,
[58:35] they say sala. What's salah? Is that a
[58:37] French word or Italian?
[58:41] So the um
[58:44] that um
[58:47] change of of view if you recognize oh I
[58:51] experience my mind's version of the
[58:53] world therefore everybody else's version
[58:55] is necessarily different
[58:58] therefore if that's again really allowed
[59:01] into the heart and mindfulness and
[59:02] wisdom operate with that then um there's
[59:06] a respectfulness of course that person
[59:09] sees it
[59:10] Yeah, I'm a man. She's a woman. You I'm
[59:13] British. This person is is Sri Lankan or
[59:15] Thai or this is a three-year-old child
[59:17] or that's a 98-year-old
[59:19] uh great great grandparent. Of course,
[59:22] our worlds are different. How could they
[59:25] not be? Aha. And then that that loving
[59:28] kindness and the respectfulness and
[59:30] appreciation of others is very very
[59:32] genuine.
[59:33] So, and then the the then also the same
[59:37] principle doesn't just go with feelings
[59:40] and perceptions and the material world
[59:42] but also our thoughts, our opinions, our
[59:44] beliefs, it's exactly the same that the
[59:47] the more that there's a um a loving
[59:51] kindness towards our own moods. you when
[59:54] we experience anger or jealousy or fear
[59:57] uh uh greediness selfishness and those
[1:00:01] of us who've listened to many of
[1:00:02] Lumpto's dhamma talks over the years
[1:00:05] when he talks about loving kindness or
[1:00:07] or or acceptance most of it's around our
[1:00:10] emotions and our thoughts and our inner
[1:00:14] world you having uh acceptance for your
[1:00:16] own anger your own jealousy your own
[1:00:19] just a reading I gave this morning was
[1:00:20] exactly on this theme quite
[1:00:22] coincidentally from Lumpito
[1:00:24] that don't think of them as sort of uh
[1:00:27] awful demonic um problems, but rather
[1:00:30] this is the this is the experience of
[1:00:32] anger. This is the experience of
[1:00:33] jealousy. It's not who and what I am,
[1:00:35] but here it is. It has this this tone,
[1:00:37] this quality, this texture. It's an
[1:00:40] aspect of nature. If it's followed,
[1:00:42] it'll bring painful results. It doesn't
[1:00:44] have to be hated or feared. It's just uh
[1:00:46] when it's received into the heart and
[1:00:48] known, uh it's it's accepted. But that
[1:00:53] just because something is accepted
[1:00:54] doesn't mean to say it has to be
[1:00:55] followed. Just because there's anger
[1:00:57] here doesn't mean it has to be acted
[1:00:59] upon. The anger doesn't have to be
[1:01:01] hated, doesn't have to be feared, but
[1:01:03] it's like a fork in the road. You can
[1:01:05] choose to go that way or not choose to
[1:01:07] go that way. And the example I often
[1:01:09] give is if you go down to the junction
[1:01:11] in Great Gadston
[1:01:14] and you want to go to Heml Hempstead,
[1:01:16] you turn right. It's not that Leighton
[1:01:18] Buzzard is evil and wrong and bad. It's
[1:01:21] just that that's what that's that's
[1:01:22] where you end up if you turn left. Like
[1:01:24] if you want to go to Heml, go right. If
[1:01:28] you want to go to Leight and Buzzard, go
[1:01:29] left. Uh so in exactly the when there's
[1:01:33] clarity of vision when there's uh
[1:01:35] genuine mindfulness and wisdom when that
[1:01:39] those emotions and feelings wholesome
[1:01:41] and unh wholesome uh are ex are accepted
[1:01:44] and known then just like a fork in the
[1:01:47] road or or a crossroads then okay this
[1:01:50] is the road that goes to to ease and
[1:01:52] harmony and peacefulness. This is the
[1:01:54] road that goes to conflict and stress
[1:01:56] and and uh difficulty. Okay, take a
[1:02:00] left, don't go right. So we don't we are
[1:02:05] making the decisions are being made but
[1:02:07] guided by mindfulness and wisdom and
[1:02:10] that but it's that quality of
[1:02:13] acceptance. If we have afraid of our
[1:02:15] jealousy, afraid of our anger or afraid
[1:02:17] of our our lustfulness or or selfishness
[1:02:19] and we kind of hate it and fear it, then
[1:02:22] we create more agitation and tension and
[1:02:25] uh more errors of judgment in the mix.
[1:02:28] So I could go on but I see the the clock
[1:02:30] has moved past uh uh 15. So let's call
[1:02:34] it to a close there and offer these
[1:02:37] thoughts for consideration this
[1:02:38] afternoon.
[1:02:41] But please take a break and uh there
[1:02:44] should be some tea and refreshments
[1:02:46] available and then we'll gather back
[1:02:48] together 20 past for some questions and
[1:02:51] further dhamma discussion.
[1:02:56] May I invite everyone to gather back
[1:03:00] down. Please bring your tea with you if
[1:03:02] you like. Don't spill it on the carpet.
[1:03:07] out of kindness to the carpet cleaners.
[1:03:12] [snorts]
[1:03:18] So I always like to remind people to if
[1:03:21] they have questions to please keep them
[1:03:23] somewhere close to the theme for the day
[1:03:26] [snorts]
[1:03:27] if uh if possible. uh the the I think
[1:03:30] the uh theme of loving kindness/radical
[1:03:34] acceptance and uh has a lot to explore.
[1:03:38] So please if there are questions that uh
[1:03:42] to focus on that that area and some of
[1:03:45] the things I said or other things to do
[1:03:46] with loving kindness meditation
[1:03:49] please uh there's a microphone there so
[1:03:52] please feel free to ask and please use
[1:03:54] the microphone so everyone can hear the
[1:03:56] the questions.
[1:04:03] Uh thank you for the talk. Very
[1:04:05] interesting. Um just some advice on um
[1:04:11] I think I need radical acceptance on
[1:04:13] certain things. But if there are certain
[1:04:15] things that kind of just trigger me all
[1:04:17] the time and I'm thinking a little bit
[1:04:20] like when you were talking about um the
[1:04:23] amount Americans spend on a obesity. So
[1:04:26] here it's all like you know a lot of
[1:04:28] people are taking fat jabs asic maro you
[1:04:32] know weight loss jabs and they're paying
[1:04:34] a [clears throat] lot of money
[1:04:35] >> and inside of me I just feel oh why
[1:04:38] don't you just you know lose weight and
[1:04:40] not spend the money and obviously you
[1:04:42] know could be medical uh exceptions to
[1:04:45] that but I've got friends who are you
[1:04:48] know clearly spending money on that and
[1:04:49] I think oh you know it just it's a
[1:04:51] constant sort of irritation for me so
[1:04:54] would the wise thing be for me to sort
[1:04:56] of remove myself from that those
[1:04:59] arguments situations or sort of go into
[1:05:03] sort of more of an insight and say, "Oh,
[1:05:05] what is it about this that irritates
[1:05:08] me?" And you know, sort of any advice
[1:05:10] you could uh give would be most welcome.
[1:05:13] >> Thank you. Yes, good questions. Well, uh
[1:05:16] I'd say first of all uh working on your
[1:05:19] own attitude rather than other people's
[1:05:22] uh
[1:05:24] behaviors. you know that [snorts] that's
[1:05:25] really where things start is is how the
[1:05:28] mind relates to that. So um yeah so uh
[1:05:33] that um having I would say having a
[1:05:36] radical acceptance for your own
[1:05:38] discomfort with those issues. I mean
[1:05:41] that's where we think oh uh I I find
[1:05:43] myself upset by how much people are
[1:05:46] spending on on on that. So what's here
[1:05:48] is that upset feeling. That's what's
[1:05:50] present. So having an acceptance for
[1:05:53] that upset feeling
[1:05:56] and then again when we talk about
[1:05:58] acceptance it can imply passivity. I
[1:06:01] hope I indicated [laughter] that that
[1:06:04] again it's a way that the English usage
[1:06:07] can be mistaken. So um because it's it's
[1:06:11] similar when we talk about letting go or
[1:06:12] non-attachment that it can be heard as
[1:06:15] saying oh therefore freeze don't don't
[1:06:17] say anything. Yeah, but I'm practicing
[1:06:19] non-attachment,
[1:06:20] you know, so you know, freeze and don't
[1:06:23] do anything. But we can practicing
[1:06:26] non-attachment can also be not attaching
[1:06:28] to your hesitancy and can actually
[1:06:32] result in us doing more being more
[1:06:34] proactive because we're we're um not
[1:06:38] attaching to our uh our kind of um
[1:06:42] our
[1:06:44] anxiety about causing a problem or or
[1:06:46] confronting others. And so that letting
[1:06:49] go can sometimes entail more activity,
[1:06:52] more taking more initiative. So with
[1:06:54] acceptance is that then uh accepting
[1:06:58] that those anxious or agitated feelings
[1:07:01] with respect to your friends or you know
[1:07:04] associates
[1:07:05] uh wasting money as you might as you
[1:07:08] perceive it or or spending so much on
[1:07:10] that. Um and then that knowing that
[1:07:14] feeling in yourself and like I say from
[1:07:16] myself within myself if I find my mind
[1:07:18] very agitated about something like how
[1:07:21] can he do that then okay don't say
[1:07:24] anything don't say anything just yet
[1:07:26] wait till it's um the that that feeling
[1:07:29] has been a bit more digested and then if
[1:07:32] a moment comes where something can be
[1:07:34] said you wait for the moment and then
[1:07:36] then speak up so that you're not
[1:07:38] speaking from a reactive place, but
[1:07:41] you're you're taking in what's
[1:07:43] happening. You're take you're taking in
[1:07:44] your own the mind's uh feelings in
[1:07:48] relationship to that. And then u and
[1:07:51] that that kind of pausing um just
[1:07:54] letting things settle a bit that helps
[1:07:56] us to be more responsive rather than
[1:07:58] reactive. That makes it again it can the
[1:08:02] English can sound like the same thing.
[1:08:03] Well, it's the same thing. No, it's not.
[1:08:05] I would say that when we're responding
[1:08:07] there's a uh things are taken in there's
[1:08:10] an acceptance and then okay now what
[1:08:12] looks like the best way forward and so
[1:08:15] um and the feeling the the intuition
[1:08:18] might be well this isn't the moment to
[1:08:20] speak but that does seem really out of
[1:08:23] balance so let's see if an opportunity
[1:08:25] arises and then see what words arise
[1:08:28] what what's a good thing to say and and
[1:08:30] in that um the less you script things
[1:08:34] the
[1:08:35] If you got if you got your kind of text
[1:08:37] worked out, well, when I get the
[1:08:39] opportunity, I'm going to say ABCDE E
[1:08:41] FG. It's like
[1:08:44] it's a kind of 100% record of wrongness.
[1:08:48] [laughter and snorts] It's like so and I
[1:08:50] did a lot of scripting in my past, you
[1:08:52] know, and it was always painful and not
[1:08:55] the, you know, just missed the mark. So
[1:08:58] but if you're if the mind is really
[1:09:00] attuned to the situation then then just
[1:09:04] trust that you know the best words will
[1:09:05] come you know the appropriate words will
[1:09:07] come and the way you frame things. So so
[1:09:11] I hope that covers some of your
[1:09:13] questions.
[1:09:18] >> Thank you Ajan for that uh insightful uh
[1:09:21] teaching today. Uh I just have this
[1:09:23] question in my mind when you were
[1:09:25] talking about radical acceptance. Uh it
[1:09:28] becomes even harder at work. Uh
[1:09:31] especially in the context of I'm not
[1:09:33] saying I'm good at it otherwise but at
[1:09:35] work my radical acceptance is nowhere.
[1:09:39] [laughter]
[1:09:40] I I try to uh I try to tell myself I
[1:09:44] don't have to like them to love them. Uh
[1:09:47] but doesn't always work. And uh so uh I
[1:09:52] was just uh thinking about it in the way
[1:09:54] that uh in a context where you are
[1:09:57] always judged, compared, evaluated you
[1:10:01] know that kind of context. I find that
[1:10:04] uh radical acceptance to be even harder
[1:10:08] you know and and and at the same time
[1:10:11] sometimes more accepting ourselves you
[1:10:15] know as we were just talking about as uh
[1:10:18] Lump Sumedu keeps saying it's more about
[1:10:21] accepting radically accepting our own
[1:10:24] thoughts you know and and all of that
[1:10:27] becomes even more difficult when I'm
[1:10:30] judged compared evaluated by the
[1:10:32] context. So any insight Sajad would be
[1:10:35] useful.
[1:10:37] >> Uh good question. Um
[1:10:41] the uh yeah in a way you you describe
[1:10:45] the the key things and and as I was
[1:10:47] saying about mindfulness of awkward
[1:10:49] feeling you know that if you if you know
[1:10:52] you're stepping into a situation
[1:10:54] where you are uh
[1:10:58] uh say it's standard to be um
[1:11:03] seen in those in certain ways or acted
[1:11:06] upon or related to in certain ways like
[1:11:08] Well, that's the that's the game here.
[1:11:12] Uh and and so that the more that you
[1:11:14] recognize, okay, well, this is the game
[1:11:16] I'm playing. I'm stepping into this
[1:11:17] arena. Okay, let the games begin.
[1:11:22] Uh again, kind of saying it playfully,
[1:11:25] but yes, it's like I used to play a lot
[1:11:28] of rugby.
[1:11:30] I was a rugby player and uh when I was
[1:11:32] in in uh school and um it's it's it's a
[1:11:37] it's a contact sport. there's a lot of
[1:11:38] vi is a lot of aggression and uh
[1:11:41] physical contact but uh and I've I've
[1:11:44] mentioned this in a few talks but in
[1:11:46] seven years of me playing rugby from the
[1:11:48] age of about 10 to 17 I never saw
[1:11:52] anybody deliberately try and hurt anyone
[1:11:54] else in all those matches
[1:11:58] it's it's impactful I got a broken nose
[1:12:02] and you know various
[1:12:05] various damage that didn't you know
[1:12:06] never quite healed
[1:12:08] Um but uh and so it's it's aggressive
[1:12:12] but you know at the end of the game
[1:12:13] you'd shake hands with the other
[1:12:14] opponents and or if you you you not you
[1:12:17] crashed into someone and they didn't get
[1:12:18] up you know you you stay there and help
[1:12:20] them to get up and make sure they're
[1:12:22] okay. So that's the game but you you
[1:12:26] you're uh off the pitch it's different.
[1:12:31] So uh in a similar way if you're
[1:12:33] stepping into the work environment you
[1:12:34] know I'm being judged for my work record
[1:12:38] or I'm being judged for my um my accent
[1:12:42] or you know I've been judged for um how
[1:12:44] much money I managed to make the company
[1:12:46] or didn't you how valuable I I'm seen to
[1:12:50] be and so um and that's challenging I
[1:12:54] fully agree.
[1:12:56] So for and as of I've often mentioned
[1:12:58] how I was uh by habit I was very anxious
[1:13:02] and had a lot of anxiety and uh and of a
[1:13:06] lot of performance anxiety you know like
[1:13:09] when I was playing rugby I wanted to win
[1:13:10] you know was captain of the team a lot
[1:13:12] of the time um you want to win winning
[1:13:15] is good losing is not good and so and
[1:13:19] and I came into the monastery and I
[1:13:22] didn't realize not just with rugby but
[1:13:23] also you know academic performance
[1:13:25] performance and so on. And I didn't
[1:13:27] realize the degree to which I was
[1:13:29] conditioned to success per performance
[1:13:32] and approval and afraid of poor
[1:13:36] performance. Yeah. Losing a match or or
[1:13:39] not passing an exam or coming low
[1:13:41] getting low marks and such like and uh I
[1:13:45] had no clue that I had brought all of
[1:13:47] that conditioning from when I was about
[1:13:49] three years. I started kindergarten when
[1:13:51] I was three and that you know you start
[1:13:55] performing well and you get gold stars
[1:13:57] and a pat on the head and say oh Marvin
[1:13:59] everyone's smiling you know and you got
[1:14:02] these gold stars this is good um do more
[1:14:05] of this get get more of that [snorts]
[1:14:08] reinforcement and so I was in the
[1:14:11] monastery for quite a few years before I
[1:14:12] realized I'm terrified of failing and I
[1:14:16] and and I really like succeeding And it
[1:14:19] was actually here at Amrabati um sort of
[1:14:21] in the late 80s.
[1:14:24] And [snorts] uh every morning we gather
[1:14:26] in the old salah and Lo tomato would
[1:14:29] would usually offer morning reflections
[1:14:31] while our tea got cold and the par and
[1:14:33] the rice grill solidified and he'd offer
[1:14:35] kind of these sort of worldtoppping
[1:14:37] amazing illuminating reflections for
[1:14:39] half an hour 45 minutes and it's just
[1:14:42] absolutely incredible days wonderful. Um
[1:14:45] and then we'd sort of discuss the sanga
[1:14:48] business and the work routine at the end
[1:14:49] of that and so there was a kind of and
[1:14:52] every the whole community would be there
[1:14:54] every morning with lump tomato in the
[1:14:55] middle. So it was kind of like this uh
[1:14:58] with the whole you know all the nuns the
[1:15:00] monks the lay people all gathered around
[1:15:02] every day. So when we came to be
[1:15:04] discussing the work routine or having an
[1:15:06] exchange with with the Ajan um it's very
[1:15:09] public there 60 70 80 people there and I
[1:15:12] began to notice that if I was I was
[1:15:14] often an organizer or the work monk or
[1:15:16] the secretary or whatever and so I often
[1:15:20] had things to say at those meetings and
[1:15:22] if I said something that was that was
[1:15:24] impressive or funny and everyone
[1:15:28] and I could feel this yes kind of the
[1:15:31] cat that got the cat getting the cream
[1:15:33] feeling like yes
[1:15:36] and then if I made a wise crack and then
[1:15:37] everyone just looked at the carpet
[1:15:40] was
[1:15:42] it's like breaking into a million pieces
[1:15:44] and that sort of repeated itself and
[1:15:47] there was and this was within these
[1:15:49] years I was beginning to beginning to
[1:15:50] really acknowledge and understand how
[1:15:53] much anxiety was there and how to work
[1:15:56] with it. I thought this is amazing. You
[1:15:58] get approval and you feel this is an
[1:16:00] absolute absolute good and you get
[1:16:02] disapproval and it's the world is just
[1:16:05] is is ended. Look at that. And so along
[1:16:09] with working on anxiety and as a as a
[1:16:13] physical feeling and and
[1:16:15] talking about working and Lorato very
[1:16:18] helpfully talked a lot about mindfulness
[1:16:19] of emotion in that era and various
[1:16:21] practices. So along with so I decided to
[1:16:25] make looking at my anxious reactions as
[1:16:29] a sort of centerpiece of practice
[1:16:33] and and I saw that a lot focused around
[1:16:36] approval and disapproval and that was
[1:16:39] had become a kind of serious currency.
[1:16:42] So uh along with other aspects of it
[1:16:46] I developed this this little mantra and
[1:16:49] the mantra was just do what you do and
[1:16:52] let the world make of it what it will
[1:16:56] and at first even to have that thought
[1:16:58] it's like no no no no no don't even
[1:17:00] think that it's like it was it was it
[1:17:02] was a kind of strong reaction just to
[1:17:05] the concept like and it was like oh wow
[1:17:08] look at that you know something just
[1:17:10] didn't want to even go near such an
[1:17:12] idea. Oh, that's okay. That [snorts]
[1:17:14] must be the direction to go because the
[1:17:17] idea of just letting people think about
[1:17:20] uh what I did or how I was and and and
[1:17:24] to aspire to being economous
[1:17:28] was just totally weird idea. So, I I
[1:17:32] developed that and I was use that all
[1:17:33] the time. Just do what you do and let
[1:17:35] the world make of it what it will. And
[1:17:37] so then and I would also as a followup
[1:17:39] I'd say some people will like it, some
[1:17:41] people will dislike it and most people
[1:17:42] won't even notice.
[1:17:45] And then there's something kind of there
[1:17:47] was an intuitive sense of like I think
[1:17:49] that's absolutely correct. [laughter]
[1:17:52] And then you uh and so I was also up
[1:17:55] until that point I'd always tried to be
[1:17:57] like the perfect monk kind of doing
[1:17:59] everything sort of to the ultimate like
[1:18:00] this sort of not lying down for three
[1:18:02] years and and always all sorts of
[1:18:04] aesthetic practices and trying to always
[1:18:06] be first to the work site and last to
[1:18:08] finish and so on and so forth. And so
[1:18:12] also during that time I sort of relaxed
[1:18:14] my aror as it were and just okay let's
[1:18:19] try and be an ordinary monk like you
[1:18:20] know no no no no no no no no I've got to
[1:18:22] be the best and oh look at that you
[1:18:25] don't have to be the captain here you
[1:18:27] you just be be an ordinary monk and then
[1:18:29] also and I've often mentioned this
[1:18:31] during that time one of the other senior
[1:18:33] monks here casually remarked to me you
[1:18:36] know you're much easier to live with
[1:18:37] since you stopped trying to be Perfect.
[1:18:41] So I didn't know whether to be insulted
[1:18:43] or encouraged. It was very helpful. Ajan
[1:18:47] Sang was
[1:18:49] [snorts]
[1:18:50] so it was a very helpful remark.
[1:18:53] Oh [laughter] simultaneously [snorts]
[1:18:56] affronted and relieved.
[1:18:59] Yeah that's there there it was. It's
[1:19:00] true. And so after a couple of years two
[1:19:03] or three years
[1:19:05] I found that to be extraordinarily
[1:19:06] helpful. Again, not just sort of
[1:19:07] dismissing people. I don't care what
[1:19:09] they think because in a aversive like
[1:19:12] viva like pushing away, but just don't
[1:19:16] create the idea of what they the
[1:19:18] mysterious they who judge your life
[1:19:20] think. And some people will love it,
[1:19:22] some people will hate it, most won't
[1:19:24] even notice. And then the world got so
[1:19:27] much more spacious
[1:19:30] on account of that. And so you you can't
[1:19:33] stop the reactions because they're
[1:19:35] already caused by a lifetime of
[1:19:37] conditioning like you from the age of
[1:19:39] three that uh you know you're getting
[1:19:41] praised for for succeeding and and
[1:19:44] criticized for for for losing. Um but uh
[1:19:49] it just getting you getting to know the
[1:19:51] conditioning and then steadily working
[1:19:53] against it. And so uh and that was it
[1:19:56] took a lot of work but it was
[1:19:57] extraordinarily helpful. And uh you know
[1:20:00] that uh and actually made you it made it
[1:20:03] easier to work [laughter]
[1:20:05] kind of more effective in what you do
[1:20:06] because you're not worried about or
[1:20:08] concerned about what they the mysterious
[1:20:10] they who sort of sit in the courtroom
[1:20:13] judging everything that we do what they
[1:20:16] think and and it became clear that there
[1:20:18] isn't really a they
[1:20:21] just a passing impression in this person
[1:20:23] or that person and that um
[1:20:26] [snorts]
[1:20:27] it was
[1:20:29] During that time also I was co-leading a
[1:20:31] retreat with Ajan Suriri Pa uh who's um
[1:20:35] not Siri Po she was a a nun a Scottish
[1:20:39] nun who was here for quite a long time
[1:20:42] and started off she was very anxious
[1:20:44] about about teaching she hadn't been in
[1:20:47] the teaching seat very much we were
[1:20:48] co-leading the retreat like a 16-day
[1:20:50] retreat together and um and she uh uh
[1:20:55] the so I gave the first two or three
[1:20:56] talks then she got up onto the the the
[1:21:00] central seat and and gave a talk about
[1:21:02] third or fourth day and she sort of
[1:21:04] about 10 minutes in she just froze
[1:21:08] sitting there silent. Oh, you appear to
[1:21:10] be fro frozen. My bad Scottish accent
[1:21:14] and uh and then she spoke for a few more
[1:21:16] minutes and then froze again and then
[1:21:17] sort of called it to an end. And then
[1:21:20] afterward, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I
[1:21:22] I just don't don't want to do that
[1:21:24] again. please don't, you know, don't
[1:21:25] don't make me don't make me get in the
[1:21:27] in the teaching seat again. So I said,
[1:21:29] "No, no, I think it's all right. It's
[1:21:31] all right." And um
[1:21:34] and then uh the next couple of times
[1:21:36] managed to persuade her to to take up
[1:21:38] the the seat and give some evening talks
[1:21:40] and then she got more and more fluent
[1:21:42] and then by the end of the retreat, you
[1:21:44] know, she couldn't stop. She was like
[1:21:46] [snorts] hour and hour and quarter hour
[1:21:48] and 20 minutes, you know, she just had
[1:21:50] lots to say. Um but it was very
[1:21:52] interesting. um uh in that first part of
[1:21:56] the retreat when uh she was sort of
[1:21:59] stopping and being quiet for like
[1:22:00] sometimes like five or 10 minutes 50 you
[1:22:02] know long silent pieces when we had the
[1:22:05] interviews um one of the one of the
[1:22:08] retreatants said a I don't mean to be
[1:22:10] rude but yeah I really like the way that
[1:22:14] Ajan Siri Pioneer just stops
[1:22:17] and kind lets us digest what she's been
[1:22:19] saying you just go on and on and on,
[1:22:22] [snorts] you know, there's no there's no
[1:22:24] break. So, you know, I'm not trying to
[1:22:27] be be impolite, but you know, I I really
[1:22:29] do like the way she just lets us. So,
[1:22:32] for her, again, she might watch this.
[1:22:35] She won't this isn't being recorded or
[1:22:37] she won't see this, but uh I have great
[1:22:39] respect. It was a very lovely time. It
[1:22:41] was great great collaboration that but
[1:22:44] uh it I felt it was so sweet. the people
[1:22:47] from inside her, she's like dying a
[1:22:49] thousand deaths and like this is
[1:22:51] terrible. This is awful. And someone in
[1:22:53] the group was like thank goodness you
[1:22:56] know five minutes just to stop and be
[1:22:58] still and take it in and then she starts
[1:23:00] again. This is great. So
[1:23:03] So what how uh how what we do is being
[1:23:07] read is unpredictable.
[1:23:10] So just do what you do. Let the [snorts]
[1:23:12] world make of it what it will. Some
[1:23:13] people will praise it. Some people
[1:23:15] criticize it and you you know you tr
[1:23:16] you're trusting that you're doing your
[1:23:18] best.
[1:23:19] You're you're trusting that uh you're
[1:23:21] doing what you can and um that is the
[1:23:26] the the best that can be can be done and
[1:23:28] um and if there's feedback that you're
[1:23:31] when I when that retreat and say that to
[1:23:33] me I'll go try and slow down a little
[1:23:35] bit. [laughter]
[1:23:37] My perception of time seems to change
[1:23:39] when I start speaking or chanting that I
[1:23:42] think I'm going quite slowly and others
[1:23:45] so many words I
[1:23:51] so um in in that stepping into the arena
[1:23:55] also okay I shouldn't expect this to be
[1:23:58] like me at home with my cat it isn't
[1:24:00] that way it's the workplace and it's a
[1:24:03] dynamic environment like you know it's a
[1:24:05] rugby
[1:24:07] this is what you do. You slam into each
[1:24:08] other and yes, that's the game. So, you
[1:24:11] expect it. So, um that sense of
[1:24:15] consciously stepping into the arena,
[1:24:18] okay, that the games begin and then and
[1:24:20] then when it's finished, when you're
[1:24:22] back home with your cat or whatever out
[1:24:24] of that, okay, now how does this how
[1:24:27] does this feel and what's the result of
[1:24:29] that? And then you can re review.
[1:24:33] there's a sort of um looking back what's
[1:24:36] called vimmansa or reviewing okay how
[1:24:39] was that where were the times that I got
[1:24:42] carried away or or that I was really
[1:24:44] agrieved at how someone acted or I was
[1:24:47] really pleased with myself and how was
[1:24:49] it so there's that reviewing not to
[1:24:52] inflate the sense of self but just to to
[1:24:55] learn okay what what brought a
[1:24:57] beneficial result what what didn't
[1:25:04] Please have a few more minutes time for
[1:25:09] any other questions.
[1:25:19] All doubts are ended.
[1:25:24] Yes. Can you use the microphone?
[1:25:42] Aan um I um would like to ask about um
[1:25:47] loving and kindness.
[1:25:50] Um
[1:25:52] for myself um I do believe I uh care
[1:25:57] with uh so many people and um
[1:26:02] includes all the worker and everything
[1:26:04] even the neighbor uh around my permacy
[1:26:08] and uh at home too. But uh seem to be
[1:26:13] like all the I mean I
[1:26:19] uh
[1:26:21] whatever I been treat I mean if I give
[1:26:23] love to them or loving kindness be you
[1:26:26] know care and love to them it seem like
[1:26:30] um
[1:26:33] I got back like they took me for granted
[1:26:36] everything
[1:26:38] and um I just
[1:26:41] or whatever the things I give
[1:26:45] except I make it too much or um should I
[1:26:50] stop
[1:26:53] but if I do that I mean everything
[1:26:56] everyone I do it I never thinking to
[1:27:00] receive thing back
[1:27:02] >> but I don't want they you know
[1:27:06] they take it for granted I think when
[1:27:09] they take it granted and then I going to
[1:27:12] say something and then I feel like oh
[1:27:15] probably they need it okay [laughter]
[1:27:19] but then it's if but it's coming too
[1:27:22] much in the end I feel like um I don't
[1:27:26] know what to say aan in the end I have
[1:27:29] to okay just okay gone think like that
[1:27:34] and the lastest one before that the
[1:27:36] neighbor I mean the uh next to My
[1:27:39] premacy asks if they can have the space
[1:27:42] building uh the just a little bit plot
[1:27:46] for uh their worker at least they can
[1:27:49] rest because from the back of my permacy
[1:27:52] it's got long uh place and then I said
[1:27:56] if you want to use it for um your worker
[1:28:01] okay it's no problem at least they can
[1:28:05] rest because they're working daytime but
[1:28:07] and not to take overs too much. And then
[1:28:11] when they build up, it's take over. I
[1:28:13] say it's it's uh it's block my um the
[1:28:18] container on the back of my permacy. So
[1:28:21] then you rather to move out of it and in
[1:28:24] the end they say bill already but um if
[1:28:28] uh it's blocked in the future
[1:28:31] uh can take it they will happy to take
[1:28:34] it off. I say okay I don't know what to
[1:28:38] say John in the end I said okay but if
[1:28:41] it's uh problem uh becoming or coming in
[1:28:46] the future and then uh you have to
[1:28:48] remove it and things like that I said
[1:28:51] why give this and then they want more
[1:28:53] and more and then the worker we agree to
[1:28:58] be in like a to leave if want to leave
[1:29:02] is like a in a month time they said Two
[1:29:05] week it should be enough. They tell me
[1:29:07] two week should be enough. [gasps] And I
[1:29:09] thinking oh it must be something they
[1:29:13] desperately.
[1:29:14] >> Mhm. [clears throat]
[1:29:15] >> And uh how can I deal with this aan in
[1:29:17] the [laughter] future? I just too much
[1:29:21] going on.
[1:29:22] >> Well, we can
[1:29:24] we can take the um sometimes the kindest
[1:29:28] thing to do is to say no.
[1:29:31] You know that you're you're a mother.
[1:29:33] >> Uhhuh. So um yeah, if you always say yes
[1:29:36] to your children, everything that they
[1:29:38] want from when they're like 2 years old,
[1:29:41] it's you get problems,
[1:29:43] I would imagine.
[1:29:45] >> So that uh sometimes the kindest thing
[1:29:47] is to say no. Not because I don't love
[1:29:50] you and not because I don't care, but
[1:29:51] the answer is no. Mhm.
[1:29:53] >> So um we can
[1:29:57] we take the idea of generosity too far
[1:30:01] if it needs to be combined with wisdom
[1:30:03] as well as as well as kindness. So that
[1:30:08] um because if we have a like an
[1:30:10] automatic yes yes yes take take
[1:30:12] everything like Prince Vantra. Yeah.
[1:30:17] Then it can be um actually not helpful
[1:30:22] not just for us but for the other people
[1:30:23] that they get used to you know Ana's a
[1:30:25] soft touch keep keep asking and she'll
[1:30:28] keep giving and so that's not very
[1:30:30] helpful for them either. They don't they
[1:30:33] don't learn their own boundaries. So I
[1:30:35] don't make people's decisions for them.
[1:30:37] But um uh one way that you can work with
[1:30:41] how to decide around particular issues
[1:30:43] is that instead of you being Ana,
[1:30:47] if Ana was your friend and your friend
[1:30:50] Ana comes to you and says this these
[1:30:52] people are next door to me, they just
[1:30:54] ask for such and such. Yeah. How does
[1:30:56] that sound to you? If you can you follow
[1:30:58] what I'm saying? So there so if you
[1:31:01] you're not if you pretend you're not
[1:31:03] Ana, you're a friend of Ana, right?
[1:31:07] And then she comes to you and says, "Oh,
[1:31:09] the my neighbors want to do such and
[1:31:11] such." Um, uh, then what advice would
[1:31:15] you give your friend Ana? So that you're
[1:31:18] kind of stepping out of your own life
[1:31:19] and looking at it from the outside if
[1:31:22] you were if you weren't Ana, but you
[1:31:24] were Ana's friend
[1:31:26] and and somebody came and and she came
[1:31:29] to you and said, "Oh, my my neighbors
[1:31:30] are asking to do this and this and this
[1:31:32] and this. What do you think?" And if
[1:31:35] you've stepped out of your own shoes and
[1:31:37] you look at it from from the outside,
[1:31:40] you know, look what's in the jitter. And
[1:31:42] then if that make does that make sense
[1:31:44] to you? So that uh uh and this is a
[1:31:48] really useful exercise because we get so
[1:31:50] identified with how I should be and uh
[1:31:53] and you what I what I see as a a good
[1:31:56] way. But if you kind of step out of your
[1:31:58] own shoes and look at your look at your
[1:32:00] life from from a little bit of a
[1:32:02] distance, if you weren't Ana, if you
[1:32:04] were Ana's friend, what advice would you
[1:32:05] give her? And then often it's kind of
[1:32:08] automatic.
[1:32:09] Again, you make your own decisions. I'm
[1:32:11] not going to decide for you. But when
[1:32:14] you step out of your own shoes and you
[1:32:16] look at your life from the outside,
[1:32:17] often it's a much clearer like say,
[1:32:20] well, of course it's totally stupid.
[1:32:22] Don't do that. Or like, yeah, that's
[1:32:24] it's not an issue. So you you get a bit
[1:32:27] more it's a a way of using your ability
[1:32:30] to to reflect to to consider
[1:32:36] uh it's like a skillful way of of
[1:32:39] looking at the situation. So just ask
[1:32:42] yourself if I was Ana's friend
[1:32:45] uh and Ana came to me with this problem
[1:32:48] what's the first thing I would say to
[1:32:50] her and just you know watch what arises
[1:32:56] they years years ago um I occasionally
[1:33:01] went to Eselin Institute in California
[1:33:04] quite far south of Hyeri monastery is
[1:33:07] north of San Francisco and Eselin was
[1:33:09] down on the coast about three or four
[1:33:11] hours south of San Francisco, but
[1:33:13] occasionally I was invited to go down
[1:33:15] and spend time there. And um one of the
[1:33:18] people who was a sort of a a founder and
[1:33:21] kind of significant
[1:33:24] person who taught Esim was a kind of
[1:33:26] alternative psychology and therapy and
[1:33:29] spiritual center on the California
[1:33:32] coast. And there was a a man who used to
[1:33:35] teach there and and work there called
[1:33:37] Fritz Pearls. P E R L S Fritz pearls and
[1:33:40] he and he developed something called
[1:33:42] Gestalt therapy and in Gestalt therapy
[1:33:46] they had this practice of what's called
[1:33:47] the two chairs and uh and I I I don't
[1:33:51] think I'd even heard of this before but
[1:33:52] when one time I was down there and this
[1:33:55] uh this woman was chatting to me and I'd
[1:33:58] known her from retreats and and talks
[1:34:01] and such like and she happened to be
[1:34:02] there at the same time and she had a big
[1:34:05] struggle with her son
[1:34:07] and um the uh uh what what just to to
[1:34:11] share the story. What had happened was
[1:34:13] that uh her her husband had been uh a uh
[1:34:18] very uh uh unreliable person, an
[1:34:22] alcoholic and had caused all kinds of
[1:34:24] difficulty in the [clears throat] in the
[1:34:26] family and growing up and was very
[1:34:28] unreliable and and just couldn't stop
[1:34:30] drinking. And this woman was a very very
[1:34:34] kind, very dear person. But eventually
[1:34:36] um that uh things had got uh just got
[1:34:39] too much and she said you know we can't
[1:34:41] we can't live together anymore and um so
[1:34:44] you know you have to go and she had a
[1:34:46] 9-year-old son at the time that they had
[1:34:50] that she had and so then um again just
[1:34:54] to to share the story. So then she um
[1:34:57] she had said yeah look we can't live
[1:34:59] with this. It's terrible for for all of
[1:35:01] us and the boy in particular. So, you
[1:35:03] know, you have to go. And so, he um then
[1:35:07] had a car crash. He was drunk and
[1:35:10] crashed the car and died in the car
[1:35:12] crash. And uh so she blamed herself
[1:35:17] uh from when the boy was 9 years old.
[1:35:19] And this and she was a very very
[1:35:21] tenderhearted person, very caring
[1:35:23] person. And so the the death of her her
[1:35:26] ex-husband
[1:35:28] just was constantly in her heart. and uh
[1:35:31] and her son was by that by that time in
[1:35:33] his mid20s
[1:35:35] many many years ago that that had
[1:35:37] happened [snorts] and she she said she
[1:35:39] was still carrying it around and um and
[1:35:42] it was this huge burden in her life and
[1:35:44] so she said that um she'd uh she tried
[1:35:48] all sorts of different meditations and
[1:35:51] therapies and this and that and then she
[1:35:52] had been at Eselin and she'd tried this
[1:35:55] Gestalt therapy with the two chairs and
[1:35:58] um what and this This therapy, the
[1:36:01] practice is you you sit in one chair
[1:36:04] facing an empty chair and you you open
[1:36:08] your heart to the person that you're
[1:36:10] trying to work things out with. They
[1:36:12] aren't there. It's an empty chair, but
[1:36:14] you So, in this exercise that she's
[1:36:17] talking to her her son, uh she's
[1:36:21] imagining her son is there and so she
[1:36:24] she pours out her heart. She was
[1:36:26] describing this to me in the in the
[1:36:27] dining room at Esther. It kind of
[1:36:29] happened fairly recently. He said, "So,
[1:36:32] I'm just saying all the things. I'm
[1:36:33] terribly sorry. I've ruined your life.
[1:36:34] You know, ever since you were 9 years
[1:36:36] old, if I hadn't kicked your dad out and
[1:36:38] then he wouldn't have got so so drunk
[1:36:39] and he wouldn't have crashed the car and
[1:36:40] he wouldn't have died and and um yeah,
[1:36:42] I've ruined your life and it's all my
[1:36:44] fault." And um and so she said, "I'm
[1:36:47] pouring it all out and and and
[1:36:49] apologizing and just crying and telling
[1:36:51] him how how I'm sorry I am." And then
[1:36:55] and then the job was to then get out of
[1:36:57] the chair she was sitting in and then go
[1:36:59] and sit in the other chair. And she
[1:37:02] said, "I thought this was pretty hokey,
[1:37:05] but what what good is this going to do?
[1:37:07] It's just a different chair, you know."
[1:37:09] But then the idea was that you sat in
[1:37:11] the position of her son like stepping
[1:37:13] out of her seat and then sitting uh and
[1:37:16] she said, "Aan, it was so weird. I
[1:37:20] hardly sat down." And immediately I'm
[1:37:23] saying, "Mom, [snorts] it's not your
[1:37:26] fault."
[1:37:28] It was so weird. And uh anyway, she she
[1:37:32] described this experience uh like it was
[1:37:34] hearing her her son was nowhere near. It
[1:37:36] was hund hundreds of miles away. So I
[1:37:39] could hear his voice coming out of me
[1:37:41] saying, "Mom, don't be stupid. It was
[1:37:43] not your fault. You worked so hard. You
[1:37:45] did everything you could. It was it
[1:37:47] wasn't your fault. You know, stop
[1:37:48] blaming yourself. You know, you there's
[1:37:50] nothing to forgive." and and she's like,
[1:37:52] "Oh." So, I took I took careful note of
[1:37:55] that. I thought, "This sounds like a
[1:37:57] really neat practice." [laughter]
[1:37:59] And so, um, what I was just describing
[1:38:02] to you is the kind of pocket version
[1:38:04] [snorts] of the two chairs, the kind of
[1:38:06] Buddhist uh low tech version of the of
[1:38:09] the two chairs practice. So, you step
[1:38:11] out of Anna's chair of how Ana should be
[1:38:15] and then step in. the perfect Anna would
[1:38:18] would be like this and this and this and
[1:38:19] this and the perfect Anna would always
[1:38:21] be like that and to step out of that and
[1:38:24] sit in the other chair and be Ana's
[1:38:26] friend say and then uh then see what
[1:38:29] advice comes from Ana's friend to to her
[1:38:33] and this and it's and I I've I've given
[1:38:36] this advice to many many people over the
[1:38:38] years and it's it's kind of it's got a
[1:38:41] very uh impressive track record for most
[1:38:44] people it's like as soon as you say it's
[1:38:46] not me as if I was my friend. There's a
[1:38:49] you you are able to kind of bypass your
[1:38:52] sort of self-image of how I should be.
[1:38:55] It kind of goes around that and then
[1:38:57] your common sense,
[1:39:00] your own natural common sense is much
[1:39:02] more able to be accessed. You think what
[1:39:04] are you talking about?
[1:39:07] So I I won't guarantee that it has a
[1:39:09] such a dramatic effect. But that was uh
[1:39:12] that really stayed that was a long time
[1:39:14] ago that I had that conversation and uh
[1:39:17] and my experience of of working in that
[1:39:19] way is uh it's it's a very effective uh
[1:39:23] tool for wise reflection.
[1:39:26] So we're now at 1559. The hours have
[1:39:30] gone by so let's call it to a halt
[1:39:33] there. Thank you very much for your good
[1:39:35] questions.