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[1:23] Okay, you may begin.
[1:27] >> Okay, welcome everyone. Hello
[1:30] and welcome to our online Dhama group
[1:33] with venerable and the Sri Mangalo
[1:36] international community
[1:39] uh where we together study Buddhist
[1:41] texts and afterwards there will be a
[1:44] live Q&A.
[1:47] Uh we are currently studying the
[1:48] Dhamamaakapawatana
[1:50] commentary by the late venerable Mahasi
[1:52] Sador.
[1:54] But before we start, just a reminder for
[1:58] everyone who is about to have the uh
[2:01] time change to
[2:03] uh just convert your time to the Sri
[2:06] Lankan time and then you will be able to
[2:08] know when the when the study group
[2:12] starts which is 6:30 p.m. Sri Lankan
[2:16] time. also for those who had had the
[2:19] daylight savings change
[2:22] um to just use the Sri Lankan time.
[2:27] Uh we will begin by taking refuge in the
[2:30] Buddha, Dharma and Sana and accept the
[2:33] five precepts together
[2:36] which is an ancient tradition that we
[2:39] keep to get into the right mindset and
[2:43] to strengthen our resolve and to remind
[2:46] ourselves of the goodness that we are
[2:49] doing.
[2:51] uh taking refuge means we accept the
[2:54] Buddha, his teachings and the
[2:56] enlightened disciples as refuge and
[2:59] guides in our life.
[3:02] And the five precepts
[3:05] uh for training ourselves in abstension
[3:08] from killing, stealing, sexual
[3:11] misconduct, lying and taking drugs and
[3:14] alcohol.
[3:16] Is there someone in the discord group
[3:18] who would like to lead the recitation
[3:21] today?
[3:24] >> I would like to.
[3:27] >> Thank you. You may start when you're
[3:29] ready.
[3:49] The Aana
[4:03] sudhas
[4:08] archa Buddhas
[4:17] Buddhas.
[4:29] Fore!
[4:39] Foreign! Foreign!
[4:49] mechani.
[5:18] Foreign
[5:58] sanche.
[6:18] Somebody
[6:47] sad.
[6:58] Money.
[7:13] Mama.
[7:45] Sudd
[7:52] su
[7:56] sad.
[8:16] Okay, thank you. And now we can continue
[8:19] with
[8:21] our study. We are on page
[8:25] 205 of the physical book.
[8:29] and
[8:31] 215 of the PDF.
[8:35] Before we start reading, please remember
[8:37] to uh read about two paragraphs
[8:41] and take your time while reading and
[8:44] also leave a break in in between each
[8:46] paragraph for a few seconds to give time
[8:50] for questions or uh some explanation by
[8:53] the venerable.
[8:56] And if you want to be part of the
[8:59] reading group, um if you don't know, you
[9:02] just have to do at least the at home
[9:04] course and uh send us a request
[9:08] afterwards.
[9:11] The last reader was Thomas.
[9:15] So I think the next one would be SA. We
[9:19] go by alphabetical order but uh
[9:22] [clears throat] I will shortly post the
[9:24] list.
[9:31] 108 million Brahmas likewise achieved
[9:35] similar realization.
[9:38] According to the
[9:41] millinda,
[9:43] innumerable deities of the sensual
[9:47] realms
[9:48] also meditated in a similar way and
[9:52] attain the higher knowledge of the path
[9:55] and its fruition.
[9:57] Because all the beings who were
[9:59] developed sufficiently to receive the
[10:02] dharma had attained higher knowledge and
[10:06] because he had completely covered
[10:12] all the things that he should teach. The
[10:16] blessed one brought his discourse to a
[10:19] conclusion
[10:21] with the closing words just coded above.
[10:26] The reciters at the first council had
[10:30] recorded this account of the termination
[10:33] of the discourse and how the group of
[10:37] five monks were gladdened
[10:40] by the discourse of these birds.
[11:01] Records of the first Buddhist council.
[11:14] or
[11:19] basin.
[11:24] Thus spoke the blessed one starting with
[11:29] these two extremes monks should not be
[11:32] followed by one gone forth and ending
[11:37] with now there is no more re rebirth and
[11:43] the group of five monks greatly rejoiced
[11:47] welcoming the words of the blessed one
[11:50] with delight. Right.
[11:54] >> All right. So, we are coming in
[11:58] in the middle of a a section or at the
[12:01] end of the section. But this is the
[12:03] section where the
[12:08] Buddha has finished giving the talk and
[12:10] the Mahasi SA has been discussing how
[12:13] the audience benefited from the
[12:18] teaching.
[12:19] We're going to hear more about that
[12:22] coming up as well.
[12:26] This is this line here is the standard
[12:29] ending
[12:31] for a great number of the discourses.
[12:35] The last line will always be.
[12:40] It usually just says those
[12:48] and the te on the end. It just signifies
[12:50] the end of the discourse.
[12:52] I remember this discourse actually not
[12:54] having the tit there because it doesn't
[12:56] end there. But then I looked and the the
[12:59] version of the poly that I have actually
[13:02] has the t as well. So, not sure if it's
[13:04] just the tie or what, but it shouldn't
[13:07] have a deep really as far as I can
[13:09] understand. It's not really interesting,
[13:11] but
[13:13] uh it's that this the written isn't
[13:16] actually finished there.
[13:27] They rejoiced. But then there's more.
[14:19] Are you able to continue?
[14:24] >> Yes. My apologies.
[14:33] We uh thus spoke.
[14:38] It is worthy of
[14:42] Special note, the one afterwards.
[14:45] >> Okay. Thank you.
[14:47] It is worthy of special note that the
[14:50] elders of the first council recorded how
[14:54] the venerable Kana
[14:57] attained higher knowledge.
[15:08] We
[15:12] harimas
[15:27] daka
[15:30] party
[15:33] young kinchi
[15:36] Samu.
[15:49] And while this discourse was being
[15:51] expounded or having been expounded, the
[15:55] dustless and stainless eye of Dharma
[15:58] arose to the venerable Kandana.
[16:02] Everything that has the nature of
[16:04] arising has the nature of seizing.
[16:11] So just a brief recap that his audience
[16:14] remember this is the first discourse
[16:16] that the Buddha gave and his audience
[16:18] was these five aesthetics who had
[16:22] previously been uh well Kanya had
[16:25] previously been one of the
[16:28] one of the court astrologers at the
[16:30] bodhicatta's birth when the bodhicatta
[16:33] was born
[16:35] when he was what 5 days old I
[16:38] All the court astrologers came and they
[16:40] all pronounced they held up two fingers
[16:43] and they pronounced two potential
[16:47] destinies for the bodhicatta that if he
[16:49] stayed in in the home life he would
[16:53] become the king of the earth and if he
[16:56] left home he would become a Buddha.
[17:01] But Gondo only held up he was the
[17:03] youngest. Gondo was the youngest out of
[17:05] I think 108 of them. And Gondana only
[17:08] held up one finger. He said
[17:12] without doubt he will leave home and he
[17:14] will become a Buddha.
[17:17] Later on after the bodhicatta left home
[17:20] or sorry before the bodhic sata left
[17:22] home as these court astrologers got
[17:24] older they all told their children or I
[17:29] guess four of them told their children
[17:32] that if the if if it's true as kanya
[17:36] says that the bodhicata does go forth
[17:40] you must all
[17:44] determine by yourself to go forth as
[17:47] well to follow him because he will
[17:49] surely lead you to enlightenment as
[17:52] well. So when the bodhicatta did go
[17:55] forth, Gondana left but all the other
[17:59] all the other cord astrologers were told
[18:01] and probably dead by then.
[18:04] But Gondana left with these four sons of
[18:06] the court astrologers. And so those are
[18:08] the five aesthetics.
[18:11] Gondana was at that point the oldest of
[18:13] the five of them.
[18:15] And it was only kanya that became
[18:18] sautana from sitting and listening to
[18:21] the Buddha's words.
[18:24] Listening to a dhamma talk can be a real
[18:26] great opportunity for
[18:29] spiritual attainment.
[18:32] It's not to be
[18:35] not to be put aside or
[18:38] not to be doubted anyway.
[18:41] This is certainly a great opportunity,
[18:45] especially you're listening to the
[18:46] Buddha teach.
[18:49] If for no other reason than you're
[18:50] you're a
[18:53] you're forced to be present, you know,
[18:56] you can't
[18:58] leave and you're constantly being
[19:01] reminded of the of the dharma.
[19:08] Be great for patience.
[19:52] I think it was only one paragraph if you
[19:54] want to read another one.
[19:58] Okay, sure.
[20:02] Briefly,
[20:03] this record states that the venerable
[20:06] Kondana became a stream winner by
[20:10] attainment of the path and its fruition.
[20:13] When did it happen? He attained it while
[20:16] the blessed one was expounding the
[20:19] discourse.
[20:20] This is the precise translation
[20:24] of the grammatical tense as given in the
[20:26] text.
[20:28] Ba man.
[20:31] Ba man.
[20:34] The sat.
[20:38] The sat deep deep bunny sub commentary.
[20:43] The sat
[20:45] deep pony sub commentary reproduced the
[20:50] same tense.
[20:52] However, the pati sida commentary
[20:56] preferred to take the perfect past tense
[20:59] approximate to the present tense
[21:03] ban
[21:05] meaning after being expounded.
[21:09] I have thus rendered it as having been
[21:12] expounded.
[21:33] Venerable cond Gonda attains higher
[21:36] knowledge. The venerable conda could
[21:40] have developed the noble eight-fold path
[21:43] and attained the noble path while the
[21:46] blessed one was enunciating on the
[21:49] middle path during the discourse. When
[21:53] he heard about the four noble truths
[21:56] too, he could have contemplated to know
[22:00] what should be known and attained the
[22:03] higher knowledge of the path.
[22:07] Especially when he heard that the truth
[22:09] of suffering should be fully
[22:11] comprehended and the path should be
[22:14] developed. It is very probable that he
[22:18] would contemplate
[22:19] on the
[22:22] truth of suffering otherwise known as
[22:26] the aggregates of attachment and by
[22:29] developing the path of insight attain
[22:33] the higher knowledge of the path and
[22:36] fruition of dream winning.
[22:48] As for
[22:48] >> another thing to to remember about
[22:52] Gondana, if you didn't know this is I
[22:55] think I've mentioned it earlier in this
[22:57] study group, Gondana was um Kanya has a
[23:02] long history with the bodhicatta
[23:05] life after life after life
[23:08] starting with well not just the
[23:11] bodhicatta but with let's say Buddhism
[23:13] in general but it started
[23:17] in the time of a previous Buddha
[23:21] I think probably Deepankara
[23:25] when he was brothers
[23:28] with another fairly important
[23:32] disciple of the Buddha. This other
[23:34] disciple of the Buddha was called
[23:36] Subadada.
[23:40] But in this time, Kondanya and Sububada
[23:42] were brothers. They had other names.
[23:45] And they were farmers.
[23:48] They were rice farmers.
[23:52] And um this may not have been their
[23:54] beginning of their following of Buddhism
[23:57] or or Buddhas in general, but they were
[23:59] very keen to offer some
[24:04] gift to the Bu Buddha, some sort of uh
[24:08] food offering.
[24:10] They listened to the Buddha Deepanker's
[24:12] teaching maybe and
[24:14] they were keen to
[24:17] support him.
[24:20] So they had this rice growing but it was
[24:24] it was green. It was young rice.
[24:28] And so Kondana said, "Let's offer the
[24:32] first
[24:33] let's offer the very first
[24:38] uh portion of rice before it's before
[24:40] it's dry, before it's uh mature.
[24:45] As soon as we see this green rice, let's
[24:49] offer that." But Subata said that's
[24:52] crazy. We should wait.
[24:54] Why would we offer that? We should wait
[24:55] and offer the rice that is uh
[25:01] that is well mature. We can cook it and
[25:04] that's that's what people eat. That's
[25:06] what people that's what we'll offer.
[25:09] That's what people offer. Let's offer
[25:10] according to that. We'll offer the very
[25:13] peak of the harvest.
[25:20] But Kanya said, "No, no, I I disagree.
[25:22] We have to offer the very first. will
[25:24] offer it when it's green. I guess you
[25:26] can make rice milk at the very least out
[25:28] of it or maybe you can cook it up. I
[25:29] don't know. And they couldn't agree. And
[25:32] so Subada said, well, or one of them
[25:35] said they agreed that they'll split
[25:37] their field in half and Kany could do
[25:41] what he likes and Suba would do what he
[25:43] likes.
[25:44] And so Kanya gave the very first portion
[25:47] of his field
[25:49] to the Buddha Deepankara. He made a
[25:52] determination.
[25:54] May I be the first person
[25:57] in some future time
[25:59] under some future Buddha. May I be the
[26:01] first person to understand the dharma
[26:04] in his dispensation.
[26:08] Later on when the rice was mature,
[26:10] Sububada also gave an offering to the
[26:12] Buddha.
[26:14] most mature the the very
[26:17] final
[26:18] time of the rice when it was at its
[26:21] final maturity and he made a resolution
[26:24] I guess may I be the last person in some
[26:28] future dispensation of the Buddha may I
[26:30] be be the last person
[26:33] to understand his teaching before he
[26:35] passes into
[26:39] and that's the story of according to
[26:41] this the texts of how this came to be
[26:44] that Gunda was the very first person
[26:48] to appreciate the Buddhist teaching
[26:51] and to see the truth as a result and
[26:56] Sububada as his name came to be was the
[26:59] last person. So if you read the
[27:00] Parinibana Suta there is one last person
[27:03] who came to see the Buddha,
[27:05] one last monk who came to see the Buddha
[27:08] and the Buddha gave him his teachings.
[27:13] I don't know whether he became a sapana
[27:15] but he became somehow
[27:22] he was given the last teaching anyway.
[27:38] As for contemplating suffering, by
[27:41] noting the sound of the teaching at
[27:43] every instant of hearing it, he would
[27:46] come to know the reality as it is and
[27:49] the three characteristics
[27:52] and in this way developed the noble
[27:54] eight-fold path.
[27:58] When deep appreciation for the meaning
[28:01] of the discourse arose, it could be
[28:03] contemplated upon. devotional
[28:06] appreciation of the dharma and for the
[28:09] voice that delivered. It could be noted
[28:12] to as it occurred. Rejoicing that came
[28:16] after appreciation.
[28:18] The thrill of joy that accomp
[28:21] accompanied it could all be
[28:23] contemplated.
[28:25] It is probable that joy pi was taken as
[28:29] an object for contemplation.
[28:34] It was mentioned in the Pali texts that
[28:36] at the moment when the mind was feeling
[28:39] fit and prepared, soft and tender,
[28:44] free from hindrances, elated and
[28:47] exalted, full of faith and devotion,
[28:51] hearing the discourse on the four
[28:53] truths, many attain to higher knowledge.
[28:57] The noble eight-fold path could also be
[29:00] developed by noting what is occurring in
[29:03] the body, the sensations of pain or
[29:06] pleasure in the body, and by
[29:09] contemplating the act of paying
[29:11] respectful homage to the Buddha.
[29:19] Yeah. All of this is
[29:24] in
[29:26] in the context of gonda having done a
[29:29] lot of work in past lives. I think he
[29:32] appears
[29:34] in the jatikas as well.
[29:38] But uh he certainly has a
[29:42] a history of practice and dedication.
[29:49] that allowed him to to first of all
[29:52] quickly appreciate the bodhic satta and
[29:55] to recognize the greatness of the bodhic
[29:57] sata in a way that no one else could
[30:02] but also to quickly appreciate his
[30:04] teachings.
[30:17] Seeing, hearing etc. mentioned above
[30:21] with respect to the mental and physical
[30:24] phenomena presently arising are not mer
[30:27] concepts pi.
[30:29] They are ultimate realities paramata
[30:32] dharma that actually occur.
[30:36] The aggregates of attachment are such
[30:39] realities.
[30:41] The truth of suffering which should be
[30:43] fully comprehended is also an ultimate
[30:46] reality
[30:48] and every phenomenon is noted in
[30:51] accordance with the teachings that the
[30:53] truth of suffering should be fully
[30:55] comprehended.
[30:56] The truth of suffering is fully
[30:58] comprehended through understanding the
[31:01] three characteristics.
[31:03] On each occasion of understanding in
[31:06] this way craving that may arise because
[31:09] of the notion of permanence, pleasure
[31:11] and self gets eliminated
[31:14] having no opportunity to arise. This
[31:17] momentary abandonment of the this is
[31:20] momentary abandonment of the origin of
[31:23] suffering.
[31:26] >> Right? So this is an important terra
[31:28] Buddhist concept. The difference between
[31:30] petti
[31:31] and paramata
[31:33] pi is of two kinds. There is called
[31:36] namai and
[31:39] all that means is I've talked about this
[31:41] before that everything has a name. Nama
[31:45] means names. So namai means even real
[31:48] things have names and they'll have
[31:50] different names of course in different
[31:51] languages but even in the same language
[31:53] you can call them different things.
[31:56] So for example pain pain has a name. The
[31:59] pain itself is real. It's called a
[32:01] paramata. Why? Because it's a part of
[32:04] experience. It's directly perceived.
[32:07] Pain is not something you imagine or you
[32:09] conceive of or you create in the mind.
[32:13] It's something that arises involuntarily
[32:16] and it's something that truly arises.
[32:20] U
[32:21] but but the name itself is just a
[32:24] concept. So we use names and this is
[32:27] where the the idea of the mantra comes
[32:29] into being because both and samata use
[32:32] mantras
[32:34] means they use words to focus your
[32:36] attention on an object and there's two
[32:38] kinds of objects.
[32:41] The the word itself is always a concept
[32:43] but the the object can be conceptual or
[32:46] it can be real. A real object for
[32:48] example is pain. So when you say to
[32:50] yourself pain, pain, yes, the word
[32:52] itself is a concept, but the object is
[32:54] not. And so because the word focuses
[32:56] your attention on the object, you're
[32:59] able to see ultimate reality. Even
[33:00] though you're using a concept, it's a
[33:03] different kind of concept.
[33:05] Uh but you can also have focus on an
[33:08] object that's that the object is a
[33:10] concept. That's called
[33:13] so you can conceive of the color white.
[33:17] You say to yourself white, white or
[33:20] earth.
[33:21] You think you perceive in your mind
[33:23] earth or you look at the earth.
[33:26] The earth and and white are concepts
[33:28] because the reality is is is simpler
[33:31] than that. The reality in in both cases
[33:34] is seeing
[33:38] and you're seeing light. But white is
[33:41] just a name that you give to to an an
[33:44] idea of this being you know a certain
[33:47] color or you give an idea to the to the
[33:52] seeing of earth that this is earth but
[33:55] earth itself is just your p your uh
[33:59] extrapolation of it. An easy way to
[34:01] think of this is when you when you close
[34:05] your hand,
[34:07] bring your fingers to together and your
[34:09] thumb on top and you end up with what we
[34:12] call a fist.
[34:14] If you look at it, you can say, well,
[34:16] this is a fist. And and that really is a
[34:18] fist. But then if you slowly open your
[34:20] hand, the fist disappears.
[34:24] A fist didn't actually exist in the
[34:25] first place. fist was just a
[34:29] idea
[34:30] that you have. You you recognize this
[34:34] and you say this formation we call a
[34:36] fist. But actually it's just it's not
[34:38] even body. It's just seeing
[34:41] when you feel your hand in clenched in a
[34:44] fist. It's not it's also not actually
[34:46] the fist. It's just a feeling the
[34:48] feeling of tension.
[34:51] The whole body itself is just a concept.
[34:54] The reality is the feelings, the
[34:56] experiences.
[34:58] It's hard if you haven't practiced
[35:00] mindfulness to understand this. Of
[35:01] course, it's glaringly obvious if you
[35:03] have. And so, this is a huge shift that
[35:05] goes on for the meditator. When someone
[35:08] begins to practice mindfulness, they
[35:10] make this dramatic shift from conceiving
[35:13] of things like body as real and fist as
[35:16] real and
[35:18] earth as real to to realizing
[35:21] there's a different level of reality
[35:24] that's much more real than these
[35:26] concepts. And that we call paramata
[35:28] dhama which is it's not it's a grand
[35:30] name for something very simple. It's
[35:32] just seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting,
[35:34] feeling, thinking. It's the experiences.
[35:37] The fist isn't real, but the feeling of
[35:39] clenching that tension of course is
[35:42] real. You feel it.
[35:52] >> Andy, uh, thank thank you for explaining
[35:55] this. Um, I have a question, Bendy,
[35:58] because this actually I have been
[36:01] meaning to ask you this question. So for
[36:03] example during the walking meditation
[36:07] so we do
[36:10] say note moving lifting and moving and
[36:15] uh dropping so
[36:17] sometimes I find that I'm focusing on
[36:22] noting the names of the steps
[36:26] and then I find that the mind doesn't
[36:30] really get onto the the movement itself
[36:33] because I was paying attention to the
[36:35] noting but sometimes my mind is very
[36:40] fine and then that by that time I can
[36:44] experience the movement of the feet and
[36:49] brushing the air around the you know the
[36:52] feet and things like that. So in this
[36:55] context bendy which one is a paramata
[36:59] and which one is a pi?
[37:03] Thank you bundi.
[37:05] >> Well the paramata is the body and the
[37:07] mind. So you're also experiencing the
[37:09] impermanence of your own experiences
[37:13] and also non-self because you're trying
[37:16] to be very mindful but you find your
[37:18] mind is not obeying you. Remember, when
[37:21] we focus on the body, we're not we're
[37:24] not even primarily interested in the
[37:26] body. We're much more interested in the
[37:27] mind. We focus on the body to allow us
[37:30] to understand and to improve the mind.
[37:35] And you do this by
[37:38] seeing basically seeing the three
[37:39] characteristics. I mean, most
[37:41] importantly seeing the three
[37:42] characteristics. So that's what that's
[37:44] the significance of what you're
[37:46] describing.
[37:49] Not not that one way is better or one
[37:51] way is worse, but that you can't keep
[37:53] the mind a certain way
[37:56] and that the ultimate reality there is
[37:57] is the mind that is sometimes focused,
[38:01] sometimes distracted,
[38:06] impermanent, unsatisfying,
[38:08] uncontrollable.
[38:12] >> Thank Thank you, Bendy. Yes, it's very
[38:14] true. the word is very unsatisfactory
[38:17] one you you know sometimes it's so so
[38:20] agitated because you can't focus on what
[38:23] you want to focus on so thank you Bendy
[38:26] this this is very helpful thank you
[38:34] I also have a question bant regarding
[38:36] the text uh it says that uh the truth of
[38:41] suffering is also ultimate reality and
[38:44] That's quite confusing to me. As far as
[38:46] I know in the Abidama there are four
[38:50] parameans the rupaika
[38:54] and nibana
[38:57] and
[39:00] well they don't list the
[39:03] noble truths there and could you
[39:07] explain how the truth of suffering is
[39:10] also paramatma
[39:14] >> what is the truth of suffering
[39:17] What what have we learned is the truth
[39:19] of suffering?
[39:21] >> The five aggregates of clinging. Okay.
[39:25] >> There's your answer.
[39:27] >> Okay. Thank you.
[39:34] Illusion
[39:41] or ignorance with respect to the object
[39:44] being contemplated together with
[39:46] defilements comma and results that may
[39:49] arise in connection with it. Vanish and
[39:52] come to sensation to with each noting.
[39:56] This is momentary sization achieved with
[39:59] each noting by virtue of having
[40:01] accomplished it.
[40:04] It goes without saying that the path of
[40:07] insight is being developed at each
[40:09] moment of observation.
[40:18] You can finish the
[40:21] last part of the text here.
[40:24] >> Okay. Thank you.
[40:27] In this way by noting what was seen,
[40:30] heard etc. The venerable kana developed
[40:34] insight which knows the four truths as
[40:38] they should be known and obtained the
[40:40] path and fruition of stream winning
[40:43] while listening to the discourse. In
[40:46] other words, he became a stream winner
[40:48] right at the end of the discourse.
[41:13] How path knowledge is stainless.
[41:17] The eye of tama attained by the
[41:19] venerable kundana was praised in the
[41:23] suta as being dustfree and stainless.
[41:27] It would be profitable to consider how
[41:30] this knowledge was dustfree and
[41:32] stainless.
[41:34] The Sat
[41:36] Saratani
[41:39] sub commentary states it is dustfree
[41:43] being free from the dust and dirt of
[41:46] lust raga which would lead to the lower
[41:50] realms.
[41:51] It is stainless being free from the
[41:54] defilements of wrong view
[41:58] and skeptical doubt. Vichika.
[42:03] This is a figurative
[42:06] description of the definements that are
[42:08] eliminated by the path of stream
[42:11] winning.
[42:13] However, the party Samaga
[42:16] commentary
[42:18] considers both as dust and as dust and
[42:22] defilements etc.
[42:25] Lust tends to conceal and hence it is
[42:29] likened to dust.
[42:32] Again, lust is likened to defilements
[42:36] because it spoils or brings destruction.
[42:47] This is just a
[42:49] explanation of those two words.
[42:58] It's just asking what does the first
[43:00] word mean? What does the second word
[43:02] mean? But it's also just a rheto
[43:05] rhetorical tool used by the Buddha
[43:08] again where you say the same thing in
[43:10] two different ways to impress and to
[43:14] flesh out the idea. So you say it's both
[43:17] dustless and stainless. You're not
[43:19] really
[43:21] trying to impress two different things
[43:23] by saying those two things, but the
[43:26] commentary is keen to
[43:30] be precise.
[43:32] It's not it's not something of course to
[43:35] be read into. But if you want to
[43:36] understand what what is this paragraph
[43:38] talking about, it's just there's two
[43:40] words that it's trying to understand.
[43:45] Another another thing about this is um
[43:49] putting aside the the
[43:53] what it means to be dustless or what
[43:54] what we can call dust, what we can call
[43:56] stains.
[43:58] The point is that through the practice
[44:01] of mindfulness, you see clearly, right?
[44:03] This is this is vipasana.
[44:06] Remember we means clearly basana means
[44:09] seeing. So this imagery of the eye is
[44:12] very much in line with the idea of
[44:15] seeing clearly as the Buddha said
[44:21] seeing with wisdom
[44:27] and
[44:29] it's impressed upon us that the it's the
[44:31] defilements that prevent us from seeing
[44:33] clearly. And as a meditator of course we
[44:35] impress upon
[44:38] the people practicing meditation
[44:40] mindfulness that the five hindrances
[44:44] are called hindrances because they
[44:46] prevent you from seeing clearly and you
[44:49] have to address them. You can't avoid
[44:52] them. You have to face them patiently,
[44:57] cleanse them through mindfulness,
[44:59] through simply paying attention to them
[45:01] and being objective about them and
[45:05] cultivating the strength of mind to
[45:09] dispel them.
[45:13] So it's the point is that with the
[45:16] defilements you can't see clearly and by
[45:19] purifying the mind creating a clarity of
[45:21] mind through mindfulness you can see
[45:24] clearly
[45:27] you see clearly basically
[45:30] he he he sums it up here as
[45:35] that everything that arises everything
[45:37] that is of a nature to arise
[45:40] all of that is of a nature to cease. And
[45:44] the meaning there is that nothing is
[45:46] worth clinging to. The really the the
[45:48] essence or the important
[45:50] aspect of that is simply that it's all
[45:54] uh impermanent. It's all unsatisfying.
[45:57] It's all nonself
[45:59] and and more precisely it's not worth
[46:02] clinging to. So the mind lets go is the
[46:04] point.
[46:24] Another consideration arises here. Does
[46:28] being free from dust and defilements
[46:30] mean a the arising of the eye of dhamma
[46:35] otherwise known as path knowledge.
[46:38] unaccompanied by dust and defilements or
[46:41] B not hindering path knowledge so that
[46:45] nibbana could not be seen.
[46:48] The path however has no association with
[46:51] defilements.
[46:53] It is obvious therefore that it has no
[46:56] reference here to freedom from dust and
[46:59] defilements.
[47:02] Thus dustfree and stainless should be
[47:05] understood in the sense of not hindering
[47:08] path knowledge so that nibbana could not
[47:12] be seen.
[47:31] This is how hindrances are over
[47:34] overcome.
[47:36] Whilst wrong view and skeptical doubt
[47:39] which should be eliminated by stream
[47:42] winning
[47:43] and lust that leads to the lower realms
[47:46] remain in force in spite of insight
[47:50] meditation. If nibbana is not seen yet
[47:54] by means of the knowledge of streaming,
[48:00] it is just like the inability to see
[48:03] because of a cataract.
[48:07] However, when insight knowledge becomes
[48:10] fully accomplished and strengthened,
[48:14] the wrong view, skeptical doubt, and
[48:17] lust that would lead to the lower realms
[48:20] would get weakened.
[48:23] So, they can no longer hinder the sight
[48:26] of the bar.
[48:28] Just as the cataract that gets thinner
[48:32] can no longer completely obscure one's
[48:36] sight.
[48:37] [clears throat and cough]
[48:40] Then the knowledge of stream winning can
[48:43] see through and realize [clears throat]
[48:45] the nibbana.
[48:48] Such capacity to perceive through and
[48:52] [clears throat] realize nibbana is
[48:54] described as dustfree.
[48:58] Viraang
[49:00] and stainless vita malang
[49:06] path knowledge eradicates only after
[49:10] insight has done its utmost to eliminate
[49:14] Eight.
[49:30] The above interpretation
[49:33] confirms with the figurative description
[49:36] of the eye of Dharma
[49:39] and with the expositions in the visi and
[49:43] it its mahatika
[49:47] which state that super mundane path
[49:51] knowledge eradicates without remainder
[49:54] only those defilements
[49:57] which have been weakened to the utmost
[50:01] by mundane inside knowledge.
[50:21] Path knowledge evolves from insight.
[50:26] It should be especially noted here that
[50:31] supra mundane path knowledge does not
[50:34] arise out of nowhere.
[50:37] Just as the succeeding consciousness
[50:40] arises
[50:42] out of the preceding consciousness,
[50:46] path knowledge can also be said by way
[50:50] of unity
[50:53] to have arisen out of insight knowledge.
[50:58] Thus definements such as wrong view and
[51:03] doubt which have been
[51:06] debilitated
[51:08] by the power of insight can no longer
[51:12] keep nibana obscured from view.
[51:18] by dustfree and stainless is meant.
[51:23] This inability of last
[51:26] etc to keep Nibana
[51:30] concealed any longer.
[51:41] The Brahmayu suda describes
[51:45] the three lower paths as the as the eye
[51:50] of dharma damagu
[51:54] in the kulara
[51:57] loa suda
[52:00] all the four paths and fusions are
[52:03] described as the eye of dharma
[52:08] one therefore these higher attainment
[52:10] ments are stated to be dustfree
[52:14] and stainless. It means that lust and
[52:18] ill will are so weakened by virtue of
[52:23] insight knowledge that they could not
[52:26] keep the nibana concealed from view.
[52:30] I have taken the trouble of delving
[52:34] deeply into these points to make it
[52:38] easily comprehensible
[52:41] that path knowledge does not arise out
[52:45] of nowhere but evolves only from
[52:49] insight.
[52:51] evolved evolves only from inside
[52:53] knowledge by virtue of natural surfacing
[52:58] conditions
[53:01] to panic.
[53:07] So the the importance of
[53:11] what he is saying here is that
[53:16] well practically the the important thing
[53:18] to note is that the the wisdom that you
[53:20] gain from
[53:23] the practice of mindfulness
[53:26] is is essential
[53:29] to
[53:33] cultivate or to lead to the arising or
[53:36] the the
[53:38] occurring of the experience of nibbana.
[53:43] But conversely
[53:45] and practically of practical importance
[53:48] is the realization that therefore
[53:51] the wisdom that you gain through the
[53:53] practice of mindfulness isn't enough and
[53:55] it isn't the goal. Because this is also
[53:58] an issue.
[54:01] the issue of
[54:04] being complacent or content with the
[54:08] mundane wisdom that you gain through the
[54:10] practice of mindfulness. The benefits
[54:11] that you gained through practice of
[54:14] mindfulness. The sort of benefits you
[54:15] might get from taking our at home course
[54:18] for example
[54:20] and thinking well this is it. This is
[54:22] what is a mass to offer. If I practice
[54:24] more this is all this is what's going to
[54:26] come. It'll just be more of this. And
[54:27] that's not the case.
[54:29] The truth is when that wisdom mundane
[54:32] wisdom gets developed enough there
[54:35] arises or there yeah there arises a
[54:37] different sort of wisdom and there
[54:39] occurs an experience of sensation
[54:44] letting go as a result of that wisdom.
[54:49] But that letting go is not something
[54:50] that you just experience throughout the
[54:52] course. something that you experience as
[54:55] a result of dedicated practice
[55:00] or not. It's something that that you
[55:02] strive to to achieve
[55:06] and we have ways of guiding
[55:10] one to
[55:12] towards that goal.
[55:15] It's important to appreciate that the
[55:17] the dichotomy of the practice that
[55:19] there's the mundane and the super
[55:20] mundane and they're categorically
[55:23] different but the mundane leads to the
[55:25] super mundane because the other thing
[55:26] you could say that he's trying to say
[55:28] here is that you can't just expect
[55:30] somehow uh unprompted this attainment of
[55:35] the path to arise that somehow if you
[55:37] sit around long enough it's just going
[55:38] to happen by itself. that you need to do
[55:41] the work
[55:43] and your focus should never be on the
[55:45] arising of nibbana. You can't sit around
[55:48] trying to make it arise or waiting for
[55:50] it to arise or focusing on it. Your
[55:53] focus should be on very much on the
[55:55] mundane.
[55:57] It's an important
[55:59] point in in trying to understand the
[56:03] practice of mindfulness
[56:05] is that your focus should never be on
[56:07] the goal.
[56:10] and therefore should never be on a goal.
[56:13] It should be on the objects of
[56:16] experience as they arise without really
[56:19] reference to a goal at all.
[56:22] A goal is something that comes about by
[56:25] cultivation of of a different
[56:29] thing of mundane wisdom which is
[56:32] categorically different from the goal.
[56:36] But the goal being the letting go of the
[56:38] things that you don't understand and
[56:40] therefore cling to.
[56:43] That wisdom is what leads the wisdom
[56:45] which sees that those things are not
[56:47] worth clinging to is therefore which
[56:49] leads to the goal. That which leads to
[56:52] the goal.
[57:11] The question then arises
[57:14] how does this eye of dharma otherwise
[57:16] known as the path knowledge of stream
[57:18] winning arise.
[57:21] This knowledge arises by perceiving that
[57:23] everything that has the nature of
[57:26] arising has the nature of passing away.
[57:30] There are two modes of perceiving this.
[57:33] At the moment of developing the
[57:35] knowledge of arising and passing away
[57:40] nana seeing origination and instant
[57:44] dissolution,
[57:45] the realization comes that what arises
[57:48] passes into dissolution.
[57:51] This is perception by means of insight.
[57:56] When the knowledge of equinimity about
[57:58] formations
[58:00] sankar rupeeka nana is fully established
[58:05] while noting the continuous process of
[58:07] dissolution of mind and matter a stage
[58:11] is reached when volitional activities of
[58:15] mind matter and mental mental formations
[58:20] dissolve into a state of complete
[58:22] sessation.
[58:25] This is perceiving the peaceful bliss of
[58:28] nibana by actually realizing it. When
[58:32] all the phenomena of constant arising
[58:36] come to complete sessation,
[58:40] this is perception by path knowledge.
[58:46] Yes. So sanupanyana knowledge of
[58:48] equinimity about formations
[58:50] is the the highest of the vipasana
[58:54] knowledges
[58:56] and so it's not knowledge in the way the
[58:58] problem with this word knowledge is it's
[58:59] misunderstood and misinterpreted as
[59:02] being something intellectual but it's
[59:04] not that at all.
[59:07] It's rather the perception the way of
[59:09] perceiving the the experience that you
[59:11] have.
[59:13] So it's called knowledge, but
[59:16] it's it's knowledge in the sense that
[59:18] you're not you're not taking someone's
[59:20] word from for it. You actually know it
[59:23] for yourself. Meaning you actually
[59:25] experience it for yourself. But what you
[59:28] experience is equinimity. It's not a
[59:30] state of calm per se or it's not just a
[59:33] state of calm. It's a state of
[59:35] perceiving every single thing that
[59:37] arises in the way that did.
[59:43] So seeing it as something that arises
[59:46] and ceases, not seeing it as good or bad
[59:48] or me or mine or right or wrong or
[59:51] whatever. Seeing it just as that which
[59:54] arises and that which ceases. And so
[59:56] there's no distinction made. There's no
[59:59] liking of some things, disliking of some
[1:00:01] other things. There's a clarity that
[1:00:04] this is arising and this is ceasing
[1:00:06] which is the necessary state
[1:00:11] in order to then let go in order to then
[1:00:14] achieve this wisdom that says nothing is
[1:00:16] worth clinging to
[1:00:19] and not clinging.
[1:00:31] The eye of Dharma otherwise called the
[1:00:34] path knowledge of
[1:00:35] >> I think we can stop here Lara.
[1:00:37] [clears throat]
[1:00:37] >> Okay.
[1:00:40] >> But thank you
[1:00:43] and thank you everyone for reading today
[1:00:46] and joining us here and we are not
[1:00:49] finished yet. We will slowly move on to
[1:00:53] the Q&A.
[1:00:55] So if you have any questions
[1:00:58] regarding your practice regarding
[1:01:00] Buddhism,
[1:01:02] something sincere to ask from the
[1:01:04] venerable Utadamu,
[1:01:07] um please feel free to use this
[1:01:09] opportunity.
[1:01:11] And if you have no questions, uh you can
[1:01:14] just meditate and listen mindfully.
[1:01:19] and Cibitsu will
[1:01:23] slowly
[1:01:24] start asking those questions. You can
[1:01:27] also use your microphone or just type it
[1:01:29] in either here on Discord or on YouTube.
[1:01:45] Thank you.
[1:02:51] P I had a question.
[1:02:54] Um between the three defilements anger,
[1:02:58] greed and delusion,
[1:03:02] am I correct in interpreting that
[1:03:05] delusion is the worst of all three?
[1:03:09] Because that creates a lot of stress and
[1:03:12] one requires wisdom to
[1:03:16] um to understand. Like if one has
[1:03:19] paranoia or or dealing with a lot of
[1:03:22] intrusive thoughts then the delusion
[1:03:24] requires wisdom for it to slowly start
[1:03:28] to wither away.
[1:03:31] And therefore delusion is one of the
[1:03:32] strongest the the most difficult
[1:03:35] defilement to overcome.
[1:03:41] Well, the the the general distinction or
[1:03:44] the the the accepted distinction for the
[1:03:48] three is that
[1:03:51] greed is
[1:03:53] little blamed
[1:03:55] but slow to change.
[1:03:59] Anger is greatly blamed
[1:04:03] but quick to change.
[1:04:06] And delusion is greatly blamed and slow
[1:04:10] to change,
[1:04:12] meaning
[1:04:15] it's pernicious.
[1:04:19] >> But um
[1:04:21] and so that that's an indication that
[1:04:23] yes, the answer is that it's the worst.
[1:04:25] It's also worth
[1:04:27] noting that it can be valuable to
[1:04:31] appreciate the difference in that way
[1:04:32] and to appreciate the distinction that
[1:04:34] delusion is the worst because it helps
[1:04:37] remind you not to be to so discouraged
[1:04:39] by greed or anger and rather to
[1:04:44] put your focus on the delusion
[1:04:47] that gives rise to greed and anger.
[1:04:48] Because the other thing to note is that
[1:04:50] greed and anger both
[1:04:55] have an element of delusion in them.
[1:04:58] They can't arise without delusion.
[1:05:02] So,
[1:05:04] so they're
[1:05:07] strengthening the case that delusion is
[1:05:08] the worst because without it none of
[1:05:10] them exist. But more importantly, greed
[1:05:14] isn't the real problem or it isn't it
[1:05:16] isn't where you have to focus to find a
[1:05:18] solution. It's the delusion. So if
[1:05:20] rather than trying to get rid of the
[1:05:23] greed, you face it. Get rid of the
[1:05:25] anger. Instead of trying to get rid of
[1:05:27] it, you face the anger, you face the
[1:05:29] greed.
[1:05:31] It actually doesn't immediately
[1:05:33] necessarily dispel the greed or the
[1:05:35] anger, but it starts to change your
[1:05:38] perspective.
[1:05:39] And the fact that you can't get rid of
[1:05:41] it on on on command is an important part
[1:05:46] of the cultivation of wisdom. Seeing
[1:05:48] clearly that things are not under your
[1:05:50] control. You're not you're not just in
[1:05:52] charge of the greed, in charge of the
[1:05:54] anger where you say now on, now off.
[1:05:58] And that's far more valuable.
[1:06:06] But they do work together. You can't
[1:06:08] really get to the point of seeing
[1:06:10] clearly if you don't address grief and
[1:06:13] don't address anger. But um but
[1:06:16] ultimately that's the best way to to
[1:06:18] address them is to just face them rather
[1:06:20] than trying to fix them or change them.
[1:06:25] It's like shining a light. All the greed
[1:06:29] is like the stuff that grows in the
[1:06:31] darkness.
[1:06:33] Greed and anger can only grow in
[1:06:35] darkness. They're like mold or fungus.
[1:06:39] When you shine the light in, the
[1:06:42] darkness disappears and the moldy things
[1:06:45] cannot grow.
[1:06:47] They shrivel up and die.
[1:06:54] Thank you, Bente. And when it comes to
[1:06:58] um
[1:07:00] recognizing or being aware of paranoia,
[1:07:05] the best thing to do is to just keep
[1:07:07] noting it as thinking thinking, right?
[1:07:13] >> Well, words like paranoia are a bit
[1:07:16] problematic because they're they're a
[1:07:18] compound.
[1:07:19] >> Mhm. or they're a bit of um
[1:07:23] um
[1:07:26] they're a bit off base from what's
[1:07:28] actually happening. It's much better to
[1:07:29] try and figure out the actual mind
[1:07:32] states and keep your words simple
[1:07:34] because paranoia is kind of a narrative
[1:07:36] kind of but ultimately it's fear, right?
[1:07:40] Paranoia is fear. fear, but you could
[1:07:43] say it's fear plus the thoughts that
[1:07:46] that arise from the fear or the thoughts
[1:07:47] that give rise to the fear or whatever.
[1:07:50] So, you've you've put some stuff
[1:07:52] together and called it paranoia.
[1:07:54] But the truth of it is just fear and
[1:07:56] thoughts. So, no, you shouldn't just
[1:07:58] note thinking cuz paranoia is much more
[1:08:01] than just thinking. Paranoia is fear or
[1:08:04] worry, you could say. If depending on
[1:08:06] what you mean by paranoia, if it's
[1:08:08] worry, you say worried. If it's fear,
[1:08:10] you say fear.
[1:08:15] Thank you. B
[1:08:18] um Ben
[1:08:25] explaining or sharing the story of
[1:08:28] vulnerable Cordinia Conda um uh in his
[1:08:34] previous life of offering the freshest
[1:08:37] the green rice. So I was just thinking
[1:08:39] that in our culture
[1:08:42] almost every household as far as I know
[1:08:46] they would offer the first food that
[1:08:49] they cook in the morning they would
[1:08:51] offer to you know Buddha you know in in
[1:08:54] in a in a token right so the very first
[1:08:57] thing and if we have guests of visitors
[1:09:02] we will never eat by together we will
[1:09:05] offer everything the best of it to the
[1:09:08] gets fast and then whatever is left that
[1:09:10] we will eat. So this is something that a
[1:09:12] lot of people don't understand when I
[1:09:14] moved out of the country. So thank you
[1:09:18] so much. So the question I have is
[1:09:21] Bandandy. So if a meditator is
[1:09:24] constantly wanting to see and attain the
[1:09:28] path knowledge and also regularly
[1:09:31] practices the meditation but once in a
[1:09:34] while it may miss like a different time
[1:09:36] changing or different you know uh
[1:09:40] setting of the time even then it gets so
[1:09:43] agitated because can be in the
[1:09:45] meditation session and is this desire
[1:09:49] so I'm confusing myself is this desire
[1:09:52] or the mental state is purely unh
[1:09:56] wholesome karma or the wanting to see
[1:09:59] this is a strengthening the faith or
[1:10:03] devotion to the Buddha's teaching and
[1:10:06] how good it is. I want it but I can't
[1:10:08] get it. So could you please explain a
[1:10:10] little bit about that band? Thank you.
[1:10:13] >> No, it's still desire. I mean I hear so
[1:10:16] many people try and frame this as being
[1:10:19] a good thing.
[1:10:22] It can be a good thing
[1:10:25] provisionally from on a basic level. But
[1:10:28] the the test you can make is does it
[1:10:30] cause you suffering? Because that's the
[1:10:33] whole problem with desire.
[1:10:35] When you don't get what you want, you
[1:10:37] suffer. So if you desire that for as
[1:10:39] long as you don't get it, you're
[1:10:41] stressed. You're suffering.
[1:10:43] Now that stress can be a catalyst to
[1:10:46] help you change your perspective and and
[1:10:48] learn to let go. So there's lots of unh
[1:10:51] wholesome things can that can funny
[1:10:53] enough can lead you to wholesome things
[1:10:56] but it's still desire. There's no
[1:10:58] question that it's still desire. The
[1:11:00] thing is that that the difference is
[1:11:03] that because you're desiring
[1:11:05] wholesomeness or or or wisdom or so on,
[1:11:08] it's going to impel you to seek out more
[1:11:11] wisdom. And of course once you've got
[1:11:12] that wisdom, that desire disappears.
[1:11:15] But
[1:11:17] theoret
[1:11:20] theoretically
[1:11:22] that no that that desire is not good and
[1:11:25] that's what you'll see if you apply the
[1:11:28] desire to you see to see clearly once
[1:11:31] you see clearly you'll also see that the
[1:11:33] desire to see clearly is also stressful
[1:11:35] and problematic which is why
[1:11:39] on a practical level it's important to
[1:11:42] focus on the experiences rather than the
[1:11:45] benefits of focusing on experiences.
[1:11:49] It's a hard thing to appreciate but
[1:11:51] important because it can and it will uh
[1:11:56] as you undertake practice be be an
[1:11:58] impediment. It will it will get in your
[1:12:00] way
[1:12:02] if you're fixated on results or craving
[1:12:05] for for results.
[1:12:09] It's important to take mahas the
[1:12:10] mahasi's words to heart that the path
[1:12:14] doesn't come out of nowhere. Certainly
[1:12:16] doesn't come about because you want it
[1:12:17] to come about. Comes about through the
[1:12:20] hard work of focusing actually on
[1:12:22] something different than the path
[1:12:24] itself. Focusing on suffering which is
[1:12:28] absolutely not the path, right? But
[1:12:31] focus on suffering until you let go.
[1:12:34] And when you let go, that's the path.
[1:12:42] Thank you, B. Thank you so much.
[1:13:48] Okay, I would like to
[1:13:51] um transition to a question that we have
[1:13:53] on our spreadsheet.
[1:13:56] Bante, the first question that we have
[1:13:58] is
[1:14:00] I am surrounded by noise all day and
[1:14:04] cannot change my environment or wear
[1:14:06] earplugs due to ear infection risks.
[1:14:10] I notice myself hearing or disliking it
[1:14:14] and meditating is feasible but my mind
[1:14:17] constantly wanders to the noise when I
[1:14:19] need fixed focus for studying and
[1:14:22] working.
[1:14:24] Is sound theoretically a hindrance to
[1:14:26] concentration?
[1:14:28] And how can I train my mind to stay on a
[1:14:31] specific object under these conditions?
[1:14:43] Well, mindfulness will help. Mindfulness
[1:14:45] is not just about living with
[1:14:51] bad conditions. Your mind will get
[1:14:53] stronger as a result of mindfulness. But
[1:14:56] it's not categorically going to make you
[1:14:58] better at working. Because
[1:15:01] part of mindfulness,
[1:15:04] part of the benefit of mindfulness is
[1:15:06] that it helps you let go and see the
[1:15:10] futility of of things like work,
[1:15:14] which isn't very helpful, but it's why
[1:15:17] an arand doesn't work and won't work.
[1:15:20] They have no reason to. they'll happily
[1:15:23] and peacefully pass away
[1:15:26] rather than go to work. So
[1:15:31] on a basic level, it it definitely will
[1:15:33] help you to work better.
[1:15:37] Before I became a monk, I was I found
[1:15:39] myself very much able to
[1:15:42] apply mindfulness to things like
[1:15:44] studying and working. I mean,
[1:15:47] I was a very smart student.
[1:15:51] scholastically, good memory, good mental
[1:15:54] capacity, but incredibly distracted. And
[1:15:59] so I dropped out of university. I got
[1:16:01] into a very prestigious program, a very
[1:16:04] elite program. You needed like a 93% and
[1:16:07] lots of extracurriculars to get into.
[1:16:10] And I dropped out. I was actually kind
[1:16:12] of failing. I was not doing very well no
[1:16:14] matter how smart I was because my mind I
[1:16:17] was I was focused on lots of unh
[1:16:20] wholesome things
[1:16:22] and I dropped out. When I went back
[1:16:25] after having practiced mindfulness I got
[1:16:28] only A's mostly A+es. I ended up getting
[1:16:31] and I went back as a monk many years
[1:16:33] later and and ended up getting a very
[1:16:36] prestigious award from the university
[1:16:38] because I got all A+es. It's just the
[1:16:42] the nobody else was able to get those
[1:16:44] sorts of results. And it wasn't just
[1:16:47] because I was intellectually smart. It
[1:16:50] was the ability to focus, which I mean
[1:16:54] it's not unique to me by any means,
[1:17:00] but uh absolutely. I mean, I think
[1:17:02] that's a good example.
[1:17:04] Hope this doesn't sound like boasting
[1:17:06] because it's not really intellect is not
[1:17:09] anything really to boast over but it's
[1:17:11] it's mundane of great use in a mundane
[1:17:16] setting. So you should be encouraged
[1:17:18] that mindfulness will help you focus
[1:17:21] better.
[1:17:23] Uh it can take time and certainly is
[1:17:26] best accomplished through intensive
[1:17:29] practice. So, if you're just practicing
[1:17:31] a little bit, um, you're going to
[1:17:33] experience a lot of frustration,
[1:17:36] which is actually okay because it's
[1:17:39] important to appreciate how your
[1:17:44] attachments make lead to frustration,
[1:17:48] lead you to react to things.
[1:17:51] uh facing the frustration is an
[1:17:53] important part of progress
[1:17:59] but it will be quite frustrating. So you
[1:18:01] have to be patient and you have to
[1:18:03] develop the patience to face things that
[1:18:06] are uncomfortable.
[1:18:10] So the
[1:18:15] um the observation that you can't
[1:18:18] control your mind that your mind wanders
[1:18:21] so it's impermanent but it doesn't it
[1:18:23] doesn't stay with what you want it to so
[1:18:25] it's unsatisfying
[1:18:27] and that you can't control it so it's
[1:18:29] not self this is very valuable what it
[1:18:33] does is
[1:18:36] you can think of there being two paths
[1:18:39] one path path is the path of controlling
[1:18:41] the mind, forcing the mind, training the
[1:18:45] mind to do what you want.
[1:18:48] This is the artificial path.
[1:18:50] This path is wrought with difficult,
[1:18:53] fraught with danger,
[1:18:56] stress
[1:18:57] and uh problems.
[1:19:00] It eventually leads to even sickness.
[1:19:03] You know this is why think of the people
[1:19:05] who work hard and get headaches and
[1:19:07] ulcers
[1:19:09] and heart high blood pressure
[1:19:13] and die early because of all the stress
[1:19:16] but also live very painful uncomfortable
[1:19:18] unpleasant lives. This is the one path.
[1:19:21] The other path is the path of allowing
[1:19:24] the mind to organize naturally.
[1:19:28] it it isn't necessarily as immediately
[1:19:32] useful as forcing the mind to do what
[1:19:35] you want but in the long term it makes
[1:19:38] the mind much stronger
[1:19:41] and with dedication makes the mind
[1:19:43] incredibly powerful. When you think of
[1:19:45] the Buddha he could he could direct his
[1:19:48] mind to anything and immediately have
[1:19:50] the right answer to any question he
[1:19:52] might pose. This would call he was
[1:19:55] omnisient.
[1:19:57] Didn't mean he knew everything all at
[1:19:58] once but anything he he sent his mind
[1:20:00] towards his mind was so powerful that he
[1:20:04] was able to immediately understand any
[1:20:07] topic.
[1:20:11] It's not by controlling the mind. It's
[1:20:14] by
[1:20:15] um aligning yourself with reality. So
[1:20:18] you understand
[1:20:21] the nature of things.
[1:20:24] And that understanding creates strength,
[1:20:26] creates clarity.
[1:20:31] Like if you consider when when your mind
[1:20:34] gets distracted, you could say you have
[1:20:36] two choices. Maybe you have more, but
[1:20:38] let's say there are two choices. One,
[1:20:39] you can get upset about it
[1:20:42] and and stressed about it. Or two, not
[1:20:48] two, you are at peace with that.
[1:20:52] So when you're stressed about it, what
[1:20:53] happens is you get angry, you get upset,
[1:20:55] and you
[1:20:57] u you you put roadblocks in your way.
[1:21:00] Your mind becomes weak, your mind
[1:21:01] becomes uh chaotic, your mind becomes
[1:21:04] confused.
[1:21:07] And the other way is if you don't get
[1:21:09] upset about it, then you're you you're
[1:21:11] still distracted,
[1:21:13] but you it's like you coast over it and
[1:21:17] you wait patiently for it to pass
[1:21:18] because either way it will pass. And
[1:21:21] then when the distraction passes, you
[1:21:23] step in naturally and you continue doing
[1:21:27] what you were going to do. Both ways,
[1:21:29] you really can't just force your mind to
[1:21:32] always do what you want.
[1:21:34] There's temporary benefit to forcing
[1:21:37] your mind to right now do what you want.
[1:21:39] And you can see in the short term maybe
[1:21:41] it seems to work a little bit, but the
[1:21:44] long term it just creates sickness. But
[1:21:47] the difference is night and day. If you
[1:21:49] allow it to naturally, you just don't
[1:21:52] feed the distraction and wait for it to
[1:21:54] to pass,
[1:21:56] you're attenuating that that habit and
[1:22:00] you're you're not creating new habits of
[1:22:02] of anger and frustration and and
[1:22:05] control.
[1:22:07] And so
[1:22:10] you you make the most of the imperfect
[1:22:14] mind
[1:22:16] and you improve the imperfect mind by
[1:22:19] not
[1:22:20] imposing stressful stressful conditions
[1:22:23] on it.
[1:22:25] I mean, it's just trying to explain what
[1:22:26] the mechanics of why it works and why
[1:22:28] you should believe it works because
[1:22:30] well, it does. If you allow the mind,
[1:22:34] if you face the mind without trying to
[1:22:37] control it, you'll have much better
[1:22:39] results than trying to force the mind to
[1:22:41] behave.
[1:22:47] They didn't actually talk about sound at
[1:22:48] all, did I? Your question was
[1:22:50] specifically about sound.
[1:22:57] Yes, in from a worldly perspective,
[1:22:59] there's many things. You can you can
[1:23:02] know this from the the instructions on
[1:23:04] samata practice. Sam means meditation
[1:23:07] for the purpose of tranquilizing the
[1:23:09] mind.
[1:23:11] Sam meditation is
[1:23:15] um challenging in that it requires ideal
[1:23:19] conditions.
[1:23:20] Ideally, it requires ideal conditions to
[1:23:23] cultivate.
[1:23:25] Means if you want your mind to be
[1:23:29] at its calmst, you need a calm
[1:23:33] environment. Right? With with
[1:23:35] mindfulness, you don't require that.
[1:23:38] And so there are many things that are
[1:23:40] going to make it harder to
[1:23:44] do mundane find mundane success. Let's
[1:23:47] put it that way.
[1:23:48] And so yes, absolutely.
[1:23:51] It's where the dharma and and and your
[1:23:54] worldly needs diverge.
[1:23:57] In order to make a living, there are
[1:23:59] many things you have to do that are not
[1:24:03] conducive to the cultivation of
[1:24:06] the path of practice leading to
[1:24:08] enlightenment. It doesn't mean you have
[1:24:09] to or ever should be immoral,
[1:24:12] per se, but it's going to be
[1:24:14] distracting. it's going to be stressful,
[1:24:18] stress inducing and so on. So, so the
[1:24:22] point being that there are sometimes
[1:24:24] things that you have to do that make it
[1:24:26] harder for you to practice
[1:24:29] or go contrary to what you would do if
[1:24:31] you were trying to cultivate the
[1:24:33] Buddhist teaching like enforce
[1:24:38] um an environment that has less sound.
[1:24:42] It shouldn't be a big hindrance. And and
[1:24:44] I would say the bigger problem we're
[1:24:45] having is that you don't like it and
[1:24:46] that you're you're stressed about the
[1:24:48] fact that you can't control your mind
[1:24:50] and so on. That's far more about far
[1:24:52] more dangerous and far more important.
[1:24:56] But
[1:24:58] it is useful to acknowledge that for
[1:25:00] worldly endeavors there are other there
[1:25:03] are other more concrete needs that you
[1:25:06] might have. You know
[1:25:10] even for the cultivation of samata you
[1:25:12] require quiet and and peace you know. So
[1:25:14] for doing worldly affairs
[1:25:18] you need some pretty specific
[1:25:20] circumstances to have the best results
[1:25:24] in a worldly sphere to so meaning it can
[1:25:27] be
[1:25:29] valid to try and create a situation that
[1:25:32] is more conducive for work. Right?
[1:25:36] That's the idea.
[1:25:39] However, if you can't if you can't
[1:25:43] find such ideal s conditions,
[1:25:47] mindfulness can can help you make the
[1:25:49] best of it.
[1:25:51] It's still very valuable for mundane
[1:25:55] activities. Please.
[1:26:26] Fante, here is the next question.
[1:26:31] What is the best advice you can give as
[1:26:34] to how we must live our lives?
[1:26:43] the very best advice.
[1:26:46] It's the advice we give to everyone, but
[1:26:48] it really is and it's important to
[1:26:50] impress upon you that this is the very
[1:26:52] best advice for living your life is the
[1:26:54] cultivation of mindfulness.
[1:26:57] It is absolutely
[1:26:59] unequivocably
[1:27:02] the best advice you can give. There's
[1:27:05] other things you can say because in
[1:27:07] order to practice mindfulness you need
[1:27:08] some prerequisites. So on top of that as
[1:27:12] an addition keep the five precepts
[1:27:16] um and cultivate right view means try to
[1:27:20] understand why mindfulness is useful.
[1:27:24] Why are we practicing mindfulness
[1:27:28] and what does it mean to practice
[1:27:29] mindfulness?
[1:27:33] You have those things as your very base.
[1:27:35] The only thing you really have to do is
[1:27:37] cultivate mindfulness.
[1:27:41] It's absolutely the best thing you can
[1:27:42] do.
[1:27:44] It is the best advice anyone could give
[1:27:47] to anyone.
[1:27:49] Anyone could give to anyone. Doesn't
[1:27:50] matter your situation.
[1:27:55] I suppose that's not quite fair because
[1:27:59] sometimes you need to give more
[1:28:00] practical advice like uh run away from
[1:28:02] the tiger or something like that.
[1:28:07] Sometimes there are other more practical
[1:28:09] concerns, eat food, find shelter, these
[1:28:13] sorts of things
[1:28:15] depending on your circumstance. But none
[1:28:18] of that's really
[1:28:20] deep or deeply impactful advice.
[1:28:23] Ultimately,
[1:28:28] it doesn't matter who you are. The best
[1:28:29] thing you can do is always going to be
[1:28:32] the cultivation of mindfulness.
[1:28:58] Bante, here is the next question.
[1:29:02] When we sit quietly and watch thoughts
[1:29:05] and sensations arise and pass, we may
[1:29:08] notice that nothing stays fixed. How
[1:29:11] does this experience of change shape the
[1:29:14] way you understand yourself?
[1:29:26] Well, that means you
[1:29:29] have no reason to cling to those things.
[1:29:38] And it gives up the it helps you give up
[1:29:42] the idea that
[1:29:45] the idea of yourself in the first place.
[1:29:49] You don't have any sense of yourself.
[1:29:52] When you see that experiences
[1:29:59] arise and cease,
[1:30:02] reality is just experiences that arise
[1:30:04] and cease. So when you see that
[1:30:07] your your sense of self is becomes
[1:30:10] meaningless.
[1:30:31] Here's
[1:30:46] the next question. Bante,
[1:30:49] how to cope with disillusionment after
[1:30:53] focusing on suffering?
[1:31:01] Well, disillusionment is describing a
[1:31:04] state that is also
[1:31:09] also an experience that we could call
[1:31:11] duka. It's not exactly suffering. But if
[1:31:16] you if you have dis disillusionment
[1:31:18] after focusing on suffering,
[1:31:21] you're maybe misunderstanding what is
[1:31:23] meant by suffering or or duka because
[1:31:26] happy feelings are also duka or what we
[1:31:29] might call suffering. But all that means
[1:31:30] is they're also not worth clinging to.
[1:31:33] Good things are not worth clinging to.
[1:31:34] Bad things are not worth clinging to.
[1:31:36] Why? Because they're impermanent.
[1:31:39] Disillusionment is also impermanent. So
[1:31:42] also not worth clinging to. So you don't
[1:31:45] cope with it. You face it. You see it
[1:31:47] clearly. You watch it come and go.
[1:31:51] See, because this is kind of what you
[1:31:53] miss when you say this sort of thing or
[1:31:55] ask this sort of question.
[1:31:58] And of attacking you. This is a common
[1:32:01] this is the problem is that you take it
[1:32:04] to have some kind of of significance
[1:32:08] and permanence to it. like this is an a
[1:32:11] problem. It's not a problem. It's an
[1:32:13] experience that has arisen and it's an
[1:32:16] experience that will pass away. So you
[1:32:18] reframe it. You see the disillusionment
[1:32:21] not as something that you have to deal
[1:32:22] with. Not I am disillusioned.
[1:32:25] It's an experience. It arose and it will
[1:32:28] cease. And you teach yourself that. You
[1:32:31] look at it in a new way that this is a
[1:32:33] thing that arose and a thing that will
[1:32:36] cease.
[1:32:38] That's it. That's actually all that's
[1:32:39] significant there. You don't have to
[1:32:41] cope with it. It's not even something
[1:32:44] you need to cope with. You just face it,
[1:32:46] watch it arise and cease. And that's it.
[1:32:49] It didn't have any significance or
[1:32:51] meaning.
[1:32:52] The significance is in that it has no
[1:32:55] significance or meaning. It arises and
[1:32:57] ceases.
[1:33:02] It's also not worth clinging to.
[1:33:33] Monte, here's the next question that we
[1:33:35] have.
[1:33:38] What is your advice for noticing
[1:33:41] coincidences between the external world
[1:33:44] and thoughts? Should I note knowing? If
[1:33:48] it is subtle, should we note it and let
[1:33:51] it pass?
[1:33:57] Yes, just note it and let it pass. And
[1:34:00] there are so there's two things that can
[1:34:02] go on. One is called confirmation bias.
[1:34:07] There's a there's a countless number of
[1:34:09] things or hard to count number of things
[1:34:12] that occur in one day.
[1:34:16] And if there's no coincidence,
[1:34:19] we don't pay any special attention,
[1:34:22] right? But if there is a coincidence, we
[1:34:24] space pay special attention. So
[1:34:26] statistically speaking, it's it would be
[1:34:29] remarkable if it didn't happen where
[1:34:31] something coincidental occurred. The
[1:34:34] other thing is some people actually do
[1:34:35] have premonition. That is certainly
[1:34:37] possible. It's quite remarkable how it
[1:34:40] happens where you have a vision of
[1:34:41] something and then you actually see it
[1:34:43] happen. This is this is possible
[1:34:47] either. But either way, there's no
[1:34:50] significance in terms of finding freedom
[1:34:53] from suffering.
[1:34:56] It's a neat trick and in a worldly
[1:35:01] context, it can be
[1:35:04] valuable, but not in a spiritual
[1:35:06] context. It has no benefit in a
[1:35:09] spiritual realm.
[1:35:12] Even having such premonitions, it's just
[1:35:14] mundane
[1:35:16] knowledge.
[1:35:58] here's the next question. Fante,
[1:36:02] what is your advice for people who make
[1:36:04] a living off of trying to induce sensual
[1:36:08] pleasures in others like visual artists,
[1:36:11] musicians, dancers, cosplayers, and
[1:36:15] entertainers?
[1:36:25] Well, advice is advice is to try and do
[1:36:28] that which
[1:36:30] um
[1:36:32] that which is beneficial to people, that
[1:36:35] which is in line with the dharma. You
[1:36:38] can tell stories that are in line with
[1:36:40] the dharma. You can reenact stories that
[1:36:42] are in line with the dharma.
[1:36:44] And so that's not bad. That's good.
[1:36:49] There's uh quite recently I just saw
[1:36:51] that
[1:36:53] um
[1:36:56] who was the guy the guy who played the
[1:36:58] captain of the on this uh
[1:37:03] Star Trek
[1:37:06] I don't remember his name sir something
[1:37:09] or other
[1:37:11] just died and it made me remember like I
[1:37:14] don't really remember But
[1:37:18] when watching those shows, there was
[1:37:20] some
[1:37:21] some potential lessons. So, I mean, most
[1:37:24] of it was shooting aliens and stuff, but
[1:37:29] um there there were philosophical
[1:37:32] questions, you know, and you could argue
[1:37:34] that there's some benefit. I don't know
[1:37:35] that there really was, but
[1:37:38] it's the kind of thing where you could
[1:37:40] think that
[1:37:43] there is there is benefit to culture
[1:37:48] if culture is used appropriately.
[1:37:52] I think and I was just thinking today
[1:37:54] actually that
[1:37:57] probably a lot of the violence on in
[1:38:00] media
[1:38:02] doesn't necessarily make people more
[1:38:04] violent. Doesn't necessarily make
[1:38:06] everyone more violent, but it certainly
[1:38:09] desensitizes us to violent.
[1:38:17] So there's certainly I I would say media
[1:38:20] has played and like entertainment media
[1:38:24] has played a part in the degradation of
[1:38:28] human society
[1:38:30] and if used correctly it can also play a
[1:38:32] part in the enlightenment human society.
[1:38:38] Obviously music by its very nature
[1:38:44] doesn't do that and the music itself
[1:38:46] creates craving and attachment and
[1:38:48] liking and that's bad. It's just not
[1:38:53] terribly bad. It's not going to lead you
[1:38:55] to hell or something. But it becomes an
[1:38:57] impediment on the spiritual path. It
[1:38:59] becomes an impediment for a new
[1:39:01] meditator when they hear the songs
[1:39:03] playing again and again in their head.
[1:39:09] but can also be a good lesson.
[1:39:16] So
[1:39:17] I think you can find ways to entertain
[1:39:22] and provide a spiritual lesson. Like a
[1:39:25] lot of the jatikas are good examples of
[1:39:27] this.
[1:39:29] Stories are often very entertaining,
[1:39:32] but if the right stories are told, they
[1:39:35] can also be instructive.
[1:39:41] So, so I think there is there's a
[1:39:44] conversation that can be had for
[1:39:46] wholesome
[1:39:48] wholesome media,
[1:39:50] wholesome art,
[1:39:53] and it may be ultimately problematic,
[1:39:58] but um practically can be quite helpful.
[1:40:04] would say and I I would say it's
[1:40:06] important that we have standards for
[1:40:09] art. We that people have standards for
[1:40:11] art. If you're going to produce art and
[1:40:13] I think it's inevitable. I don't think
[1:40:15] society ever goes without music or art
[1:40:18] or these sorts of things. But if you're
[1:40:20] going to produce it, there should be
[1:40:22] standards, right? And that's the
[1:40:24] problem. That's the bigger problem that
[1:40:27] we don't have standards and people are
[1:40:29] constantly trying to push the envelope.
[1:40:33] So m music becomes
[1:40:36] more and more deeply in uh pushing the
[1:40:40] limit of what is acceptable getting into
[1:40:43] themes of of
[1:40:47] well you know the themes bad themes
[1:40:49] violence
[1:40:51] abuse
[1:40:53] no drugs
[1:40:58] and gives the wrong message and and
[1:41:01] absolutely
[1:41:03] provides the culture, right? Because
[1:41:05] this is what we're talking about.
[1:41:06] Culture is such an important part of
[1:41:08] society. It gives you the culture that
[1:41:11] leads you to well to take up drugs and
[1:41:14] alcohol, to be abusive, to be violent.
[1:41:18] There's no question that that
[1:41:21] media does
[1:41:25] incite violence or can encourage
[1:41:28] violence and encourage
[1:41:31] substance abuse.
[1:41:35] It creates a philosophy. It creates a a
[1:41:39] worldview. It it promotes worldview.
[1:41:42] And to ignore this as Buddhists would be
[1:41:44] would be irresponsible.
[1:41:47] And I think it's worth acknowledging
[1:41:48] that it's an inevitable part of society.
[1:41:51] So those who undertake to engage in it
[1:41:54] should have standards.
[1:41:58] And it's a it's a problem because there
[1:42:00] are no standards. And so where do you go
[1:42:02] to find culture that is
[1:42:05] beneficial?
[1:42:07] Buddhist Buddhist countries are are are
[1:42:09] in luck because
[1:42:12] like in in Buddhist in terabatana
[1:42:14] Buddhist countries you'll often find one
[1:42:16] of the prime sources of entertainment is
[1:42:18] listening to the jatikas. People will
[1:42:21] come to hear this sort of melodic
[1:42:24] retelling of the jatikas.
[1:42:29] It's very I mean it's obviously not what
[1:42:31] the teenagers are interested in in the
[1:42:33] cities but in the countryside
[1:42:37] it has in history been a big thing
[1:42:43] and that's the Buddhist countries
[1:42:44] they're fine with with this. The monks
[1:42:47] are
[1:42:48] mostly fine with it as well allowing
[1:42:51] people to have something entertaining
[1:42:54] that is also instructive.
[1:42:58] So just food for thought. I mean at its
[1:43:01] core
[1:43:02] sensual pleasure is sensual pleasure and
[1:43:05] it's it's a hindrance. It's an
[1:43:06] impediment.
[1:43:08] But
[1:43:10] it's not it's not something that takes
[1:43:12] you away from the path. It's just
[1:43:14] something that makes you follow the path
[1:43:18] more slowly.
[1:43:22] Evil killing and stealing and so on.
[1:43:25] That's the sort of thing that takes you
[1:43:26] away from the path.
[1:43:57] Here
[1:44:07] is the next question that we have.
[1:44:13] Ana panasati is used in both samata and
[1:44:18] whipasana.
[1:44:20] Why does one method lead to onepointed
[1:44:22] focus and calmness while the other
[1:44:25] doesn't?
[1:44:30] But if you focus on the breath as a
[1:44:32] concept, I mean
[1:44:34] generally speaking, if you're focused on
[1:44:36] the breath as a concept, then it will
[1:44:38] only lead to calm.
[1:44:41] So for example, if you're following the
[1:44:42] breath in
[1:44:47] and you think of the breath as something
[1:44:49] coming in,
[1:44:51] that's more on the side of conceptual.
[1:44:55] If you count the breaths, which is a
[1:44:57] common thing, like in one, out one, in
[1:44:59] two, out two, that's much more
[1:45:02] conceptual.
[1:45:07] But if you focus on the physical
[1:45:10] sensations,
[1:45:12] then it's ultimate reality.
[1:45:15] And so it can't lead to onepointedness
[1:45:17] because ultimate reality is impermanent,
[1:45:19] unsatisfying, uncontrollable, meaning
[1:45:22] it's chaotic. It arises, it ceases.
[1:45:25] There's no onepointedness. There's
[1:45:26] onepointedness, but it's not the kind of
[1:45:29] onepointedness that stays with a single
[1:45:32] object moment after moment after moment.
[1:45:35] Because real objects don't exist moment
[1:45:38] after moment after moment. Only
[1:45:39] conceptual objects exist moment after
[1:45:41] moment after moment. So even the breath
[1:45:44] is not a proper object for calming the
[1:45:47] mind. You have to become you have to
[1:45:49] enter into conceptual or
[1:45:52] conceptualization of breath that is
[1:45:54] continuous that allows you this
[1:45:57] continuity of of absorption.
[1:46:37] Monte, here is the next question that we
[1:46:39] have.
[1:46:42] What happens to people who kill for a
[1:46:44] living like killing livestock? Does the
[1:46:48] karma lead to the hell realm or what are
[1:46:51] the consequences?
[1:46:57] By and large,
[1:47:00] it does lead to the hell roomm.
[1:47:03] Killing is definitely something that is
[1:47:06] propensity to lead to the hell room.
[1:47:08] It's not sure. Nothing is sure.
[1:47:12] I mean, it's complicated. Let's put it
[1:47:13] that way.
[1:47:15] But yeah, there's there's no doubt that
[1:47:19] that's what you should expect that
[1:47:21] killing leads to hell.
[1:47:24] I mean, killing doesn't, but the anger
[1:47:26] involved, the cruelty, the mean the
[1:47:29] meanness of mind, the the the
[1:47:31] development of such awful, horrible mind
[1:47:34] states is what leads to hell.
[1:47:38] If it doesn't lead to hell, if somehow
[1:47:41] the person reforms, let's say, or gives
[1:47:45] it up and is able to
[1:47:48] protect themselves, their minds enough
[1:47:50] so that they aren't consumed by it when
[1:47:52] they die, they'll be born. They'll be
[1:47:54] born with a short life. They'll have a
[1:47:56] short lifespan. And after they come back
[1:47:59] from hell, if they do go to hell,
[1:48:00] they'll also be reborn with a short
[1:48:02] lifespan. This is why people die early.
[1:48:05] killing is the main reason for that. I
[1:48:09] of course it's complicated again but
[1:48:12] generally speaking that's the result of
[1:48:16] killing
[1:48:19] just like the result of torturing. If
[1:48:21] you hurt other beings without killing
[1:48:23] them it leads to sickness
[1:48:29] in future existence.
[1:49:17] Ante, here is the next question.
[1:49:22] There is the famous story of the monk
[1:49:24] who accumulated no bad karma when he
[1:49:28] practiced walking meditation in the dark
[1:49:31] and ended up stepping on and killing
[1:49:34] bugs. Is it because there was no
[1:49:36] valition on his part? Could the same be
[1:49:39] said of someone who gets angry without
[1:49:43] the valition to hurt? Someone [snorts]
[1:49:45] who just quote unquote lost it? I am
[1:49:49] asking about myself.
[1:49:54] It's not it's not so much the valition
[1:49:58] as it is the state of mind. Anger is
[1:50:00] already bad karma. You can't get away
[1:50:03] from it.
[1:50:06] So I mean that's that's basically the
[1:50:08] answer to your question.
[1:50:12] But um
[1:50:16] what that means is that karma is not one
[1:50:19] specific act. It's every moment.
[1:50:22] So every moment of anger or whatever is
[1:50:26] karmically has karmic potential.
[1:50:29] And so in the in the process of hurting
[1:50:32] or killing someone,
[1:50:34] there's many mind states.
[1:50:38] And
[1:50:42] some of them are going to be the
[1:50:43] intention to hurt others.
[1:50:46] But the importance is that there is
[1:50:48] anger
[1:50:49] and without that anger you wouldn't hurt
[1:50:52] or kill. Of course
[1:50:57] there is room for the fact that at some
[1:51:01] point the anger might cause you to
[1:51:06] unintentionally
[1:51:08] do or do do things or even say things.
[1:51:12] Let's say like it might cause blurting
[1:51:15] out of things that you didn't even mean
[1:51:17] to say.
[1:51:21] It can cause you to
[1:51:24] react violently without really realizing
[1:51:27] what you're doing. So there is a
[1:51:30] mitigating factor in in in the sense
[1:51:32] that you're not responsible for killing
[1:51:35] someone karmically. Let's say
[1:51:39] if you didn't mean to. You're just
[1:51:41] flailing blindly with anger. Like
[1:51:43] suppose you're angry and someone grabs
[1:51:45] your shoulder and you just
[1:51:47] flail at them and kill them. Let's say
[1:51:50] well it was never your intention to kill
[1:51:52] them. You never give rise to such an
[1:51:54] intention.
[1:51:56] But you but it's mitigating. It doesn't
[1:51:58] say you're innocent. It says you're
[1:52:00] really only
[1:52:02] culpable for the anger which is still a
[1:52:04] big deal.
[1:52:06] You're also culpable for the intention
[1:52:09] to flail,
[1:52:11] maybe to hurt, to hit, you know, there's
[1:52:14] still that you don't get away from that.
[1:52:21] So, but it's mitigating. It's often the
[1:52:24] results are often
[1:52:26] or can be uh beyond the culpability
[1:52:31] because they weren't results what you
[1:52:33] intended.
[1:52:44] But ultimately it's not the it's not the
[1:52:46] acts that are the karma. The karma is
[1:52:48] the state of mind,
[1:52:50] the inclination of mind at every moment.
[1:52:55] Which is why mindfulness is so important
[1:52:56] and so valuable because it cleanses the
[1:52:59] moments.
[1:53:39] Here's the next question.
[1:53:42] I can't place the focus on the object of
[1:53:45] experience when noting. When I note
[1:53:48] rising, my lips move and my attention
[1:53:52] moves toward the thought of or mental
[1:53:55] sound of rising. Any advice?
[1:54:01] Well, you should train yourself not to
[1:54:03] move your lips. It's not You're not
[1:54:04] trying to say anything out loud.
[1:54:07] You're just giving a name to the
[1:54:08] experience. It's a means of focusing
[1:54:11] your attention on the experience. That's
[1:54:13] all. That can take practice, but
[1:54:16] in the meantime, you can note the the
[1:54:19] hearing or the feeling or whatever, but
[1:54:22] you should be training not to do that.
[1:54:23] It's much simpler.
[1:54:26] You're just reminding yourself this is
[1:54:30] rising.
[1:55:14] Okay, here is the next question.
[1:55:18] If my anger toward a specific person is
[1:55:22] constantly making me try to torture or
[1:55:25] kill someone mentally, does it have any
[1:55:29] karmic consequences?
[1:55:32] Yes, it does.
[1:55:34] It's practically speaking it's called
[1:55:37] manama.
[1:55:39] So it's mental karma.
[1:55:42] But the technically on an ultimate level
[1:55:45] all karma is just the mental aspect.
[1:55:50] But you can argue that it's not as
[1:55:52] potent if it doesn't have a physical or
[1:55:54] verbal component. You don't actually do
[1:55:56] or say anything. So it's less harmful,
[1:55:59] less potent, but it's still Yeah. still
[1:56:01] bad.
[1:56:06] But again, mindfulness kind of changes
[1:56:08] your perspective on greed and anger.
[1:56:10] It's not the most important thing. Most
[1:56:13] important is the delusion,
[1:56:15] your lack of clarity about the anger. So
[1:56:18] try and face the anger and be mindful of
[1:56:20] it without trying to change it.
[1:56:24] And you'll learn a lot. You'll change
[1:56:27] your perspective and you'll give up the
[1:56:29] delusion that gives rise to the thought
[1:56:31] that anger is somehow valuable and that
[1:56:34] triggers the anger.
[1:57:10] The next question is
[1:57:13] what karma does it produce to vote or to
[1:57:17] choose not to vote?
[1:57:26] So again, karma is not actions. Karma is
[1:57:29] this inclination of mind
[1:57:32] when you do something or even when you
[1:57:34] don't do something.
[1:57:36] It's just the inclination of the mind.
[1:57:39] So if you're doing it with greed, with
[1:57:41] anger, with delusion, that's a bad
[1:57:43] karma.
[1:57:47] You're free from those things. Then
[1:57:53] well if you're doing something out of
[1:57:54] wisdom and mindfulness and good
[1:57:56] qualities then it's good karma,
[1:57:59] compassion, kindness.
[1:58:07] It's hard to navigate the world
[1:58:12] under those sorts of guidelines.
[1:58:17] But that's the way of Buddhism. Buddhism
[1:58:19] is hard. Buddhism is a challenge. And
[1:58:22] that's because training is a challenge.
[1:58:25] Training has to be challenging or else
[1:58:27] there's no training accomplished.
[1:58:31] As Buddhists, we should never be afraid
[1:58:32] of things because they're difficult.
[1:58:38] So there's no there's no injunction that
[1:58:41] you shouldn't vote or even that you
[1:58:43] should vote. But when you do things, you
[1:58:46] should have clarity of mind and do them
[1:58:48] with for the right reason.
[1:58:51] Voting for the right reason. Voting for
[1:58:53] the right people.
[1:58:59] I see the way it goes is and this is an
[1:59:02] argument that could be made. An argument
[1:59:05] could be made for the importance of
[1:59:08] voting for lay people, lay Buddhists.
[1:59:12] And the argument goes like this that
[1:59:16] you are engaged in society. You have a
[1:59:19] say in society. You have a vested
[1:59:22] interest in society.
[1:59:24] And so at the moment of deciding not to
[1:59:26] vote,
[1:59:29] you very well may be doing that out of
[1:59:32] some ignorance or delusion. Delusion
[1:59:35] could be arrogance, could be pride. I'm
[1:59:38] a Buddhist. I don't vote. Can be pride,
[1:59:40] right?
[1:59:42] Where if you were more mindful, you
[1:59:44] might see might see that in your
[1:59:47] particular situation, voting is an
[1:59:49] important part of your relationship with
[1:59:52] society.
[1:59:53] just an example. I'm not saying that's
[1:59:55] necessarily true and not of course
[1:59:58] faulting people who decide not to vote.
[1:59:59] It really depends on your situation. But
[2:00:04] I think there's an argument can be made
[2:00:06] that voting is reasonable
[2:00:10] and that the reasons why
[2:00:13] some people choose not to vote is out of
[2:00:16] delusion. So it's bad karma might be in
[2:00:20] this way like pride or conceit or
[2:00:23] arrogance or that sort of
[2:00:46] Bante, we've now hit the end of our
[2:00:48] second hour and we've answered all the
[2:00:51] first tier questions. Thank you so much
[2:00:54] for your time today.
[2:01:09] It's a big long one. No.
[2:01:17] Yes. We just figured it was added after
[2:01:19] the Q time. So
[2:01:39] yeah, I'm not really going to I think
[2:01:41] I'm not going to answer the question. I
[2:01:43] would say that you should really pick
[2:01:45] one or the other because they're
[2:01:46] different approaches.
[2:01:48] So rather than trying to integrate one
[2:01:50] with the other,
[2:01:53] um what you're talking about is just a
[2:01:55] part of what we teach. It's not the
[2:01:58] essence. And so
[2:02:01] rather than picking and choosing and
[2:02:03] creating some Frankenstein meditation,
[2:02:06] you're much better served by
[2:02:09] focusing on a single tradition and and
[2:02:11] following what they do. If you're
[2:02:12] interested in what we do, I would really
[2:02:14] recommend just sticking to the way that
[2:02:17] we practice and giving it a chance
[2:02:22] uh in its entirety.
[2:02:31] Monte, if you're willing, would you like
[2:02:33] to hear two remaining tier 2 questions
[2:02:36] that we had on the spreadsheet?
[2:03:15] Looks like there's been some technical
[2:03:17] difficulty
[2:03:22] issue.
[2:03:24] Just give us a moment.
[2:03:37] Looks like our Discord something
[2:03:40] happened on Discord side where the
[2:03:43] server or the voice channel crashed.
[2:04:52] Okay, we are sorry everyone. It looks
[2:04:55] like uh something
[2:04:58] uh like an outage happened on Discord
[2:05:01] side and we're not able to get anyone
[2:05:03] else's voices back up. So, we will
[2:05:06] conclude our session there.
[2:05:09] Thank you so much everyone for attending
[2:05:11] today and asking your questions and
[2:05:14] being with us for our reading and for
[2:05:17] our Q&A.