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Inspiration

Kondañña's Awakening: Mahasi Sayadaw on the First Sermon

YB
Yuttadhammo Bhikkhu
Nov 1, 2026
8 min read

From Yuttadhammo Bhikkhu

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Somewhere past the first hour of a two-hour online study session, a volunteer reader works through a passage that most Buddhist students have heard summarized but few have seen slowed down. The Buddha has just finished the first sermon he ever gave, the one traditionally called the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta, or "Discourse on Setting the Wheel of Dhamma in Motion." The text says the group of five monks rejoiced. Then, almost as an afterthought, it says something stranger: one of them, Kondañña, attained the first stage of awakening while the sermon was still being spoken. This article follows Yuttadhammo Bhikkhu through that passage in an online Dhamma group recorded on October 31, 2026, as he works through Venerable Mahasi Sayadaw's commentary on the discourse. The session is less a lecture than a close reading, and the most useful thing it offers is a sense of how much a single sentence can hold when a practitioner takes the grammar, the history, and the practice seriously at once.

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What happens when a teaching lands mid-sermon?

The reader's passage is a kind of hinge. The Mahasi text, read aloud, explains that the "dustless and stainless eye of Dhamma" arose in Venerable Kondañña while the discourse was being expounded. The phrase is old, formulaic, and easy to skim past. The session slows it down. Yuttadhammo Bhikkhu reminds the group that this was the Buddha's first teaching, given to five ascetics who had once attended the Bodhisatta, and that the audience was not a crowd of seekers but a small circle of people who already knew the spiritual terrain.

Early in the session he also makes a point about the ordinary conditions of hearing Dhamma, one that applies to anyone in a study group. As he puts it: "Listening to a dhamma talk can be a real great opportunity for spiritual attainment. It's not to be put aside or doubted." He adds a deliberately plain reason: "If for no other reason than you're forced to be present, you know, you can't leave and you're constantly being reminded of the dharma. Be great for patience." The remark is practical. The sermon's listeners had no escape from the teaching, and neither, in a sense, does a student who commits to a session like this one.

Why was the old astrologer the one who held up a finger?

The most vivid part of the session is the backstory the speaker supplies for Kondañña. He tells the group that at the Bodhisatta's birth, a company of court astrologers was asked to read the child's future. Each held up fingers to signal a prediction. Two fingers meant the child would be a king if he remained at home, or a Buddha if he left. Kondañña, by the speaker's count the youngest of roughly 108 astrologers, held up only one. He declared without doubt that the child would leave home and become a Buddha.

The story has a second act. As the astrologers aged, four of them, in the speaker's telling, told their sons that if Kondañña was right, the sons should resolve to follow the Bodhisatta when he went forth, because he would surely lead them to awakening. When the Bodhisatta did leave home, Kondañña went with four of those sons. Together they made the five ascetics of the first sermon, and Kondañña was the oldest of the five.

There is something quietly compelling in this lineage. The first person to recognize who the Buddha would be was also the first to hear him teach, and the first to see the teaching clearly. The session doesn't inflate the story into a legend. It treats it as a sequence of human decisions: a prediction, a promise made to children, a departure, and finally a morning on which one man's understanding caught up with everything he had already sensed.

Does a single grammatical tense change what awakening means?

This is where the session becomes a masterclass in reading a commentarial text. The sentence about Kondañña's attainment uses a tense that can be rendered in more than one way, and the difference matters. Mahasi's text reads "while this discourse was being expounded or having been expounded." The speaker traces how the traditions handled it: one sub-commentary reproduced the same tense as the original, keeping the sense of an event happening during the teaching. A different commentary preferred a perfect past form, closer to "after being expounded," which pushes the attainment toward the sermon's end.

Yuttadhammo Bhikkhu explains that Mahasi chose "having been expounded," and he is careful about why. "This is the precise translation of the grammatical tense as given in the text," he says in the session, and then he gives the group the reason that the choice is not a minor one. An attainment during the sermon suggests the teaching was landing in real time. An attainment after it suggests the listener needed to absorb the whole, then recognize the truth. Both readings are present in the source. The speaker's method is to let the group see the ambiguity rather than resolve it too quickly.

The commentary goes further. Reading from Mahasi, the speaker notes that Kondañña, hearing about the four noble truths, could have contemplated what should be known and reached the knowledge of the path. Especially, he would have contemplated the truth of suffering, which the text identifies with the five aggregates of clinging, and by developing insight into those aggregates, attained the path and its fruition as a stream-enterer. The session presents this as a probable reconstruction, not a certainty, and that honesty is part of its discipline.

What is the truth of suffering in practice?

The session's Q&A takes up the question directly, and the answer reconnects the ancient commentary to the living practice of the group. A participant asks what the truth of suffering is, and the discussion moves toward the aggregates, the flow of experience that practitioners are asked to observe rather than cling to. The Mahasi commentary's phrase "everything that has the nature of arising has the nature of ceasing" is treated as a working principle, not a slogan. Seeing arising and passing clearly is what the commentary means by insight, and it is what Kondañña is said to have attained.

The practical advice in the session is consistent with that framing. When a student is troubled by thoughts, the speaker's counsel is not to suppress them but to face them. In his words, the instinct to push difficulty away "creates a lot of stress," and the better course is to notice what is there and let it be seen clearly. He also draws a distinction that many meditators find useful: a concept such as a fist is not itself the real object, but the feeling associated with it is. Noting the feeling, rather than the label, is where the practice actually happens.

How do the five precepts fit into a practice that begins with listening?

The session opens with a ritual that is easy to overlook: taking refuge in the Buddha, the Dhamma, and the Sangha, and reciting the five precepts together. The speaker explains that refuge means accepting the Buddha, his teachings, and his enlightened disciples as guides, and that the five precepts train the practitioner in abstaining from killing, stealing, sexual misconduct, lying, and intoxicants. He describes the recitation as "an ancient tradition that we keep to get into the right mindset and to strengthen our resolve and to remind ourselves of the goodness that we are doing."

Later, in the live Q&A, the precepts come up again as a question of daily life, and the speaker's answers are measured rather than moralizing. The thread running through the whole session is that ethics is not a separate subject from insight. Kondañña's awakening, in the text, is the fruit of listening, reflection, and a mind prepared to see clearly. The precepts and the reading are two halves of the same preparation.

A final textual wrinkle deserves mention. The session notes that the standard closing formula for a discourse appears in the middle of this sutta, and that the text does not actually end there. The speaker says he had remembered the discourse without that ending and found that the version he uses includes it, which leads to a useful reminder for students: the texts we inherit have been transmitted, recited, and sometimes recorded in different forms. The reading is an act of attention to those forms, not a shortcut around them.

Where to go from here

If this session has sparked a question about the first sermon, the best next step is the source itself. The Mahasi commentary on the Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta is available as a text at static.sirimangalo.org, and reading it slowly, two paragraphs at a time with pauses to reflect, mirrors the method the group uses. Pay attention to the translation notes, especially the one about tense, because they show how a single word can carry a whole interpretive tradition.

Readers who want the practice side can explore the meditation booklet and at-home course materials linked from the speaker's channel, and the group's own notes on the discourse. The lesson of the session is simple to state and hard to live: the teaching is still being spoken, and the practitioner's task is to listen closely enough that something in them recognizes what is true.

Note on sourcing: quotations in this article are drawn from the session's auto-generated transcript and lightly cleaned for readability. Where the transcript was unclear, the article paraphrases rather than quotes.

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[1:23] Okay, you may begin.

[1:27] >> Okay, welcome everyone. Hello

[1:30] and welcome to our online Dhama group

[1:33] with venerable and the Sri Mangalo

[1:36] international community

[1:39] uh where we together study Buddhist

[1:41] texts and afterwards there will be a

[1:44] live Q&A.

[1:47] Uh we are currently studying the

[1:48] Dhamamaakapawatana

[1:50] commentary by the late venerable Mahasi

[1:52] Sador.

[1:54] But before we start, just a reminder for

[1:58] everyone who is about to have the uh

[2:01] time change to

[2:03] uh just convert your time to the Sri

[2:06] Lankan time and then you will be able to

[2:08] know when the when the study group

[2:12] starts which is 6:30 p.m. Sri Lankan

[2:16] time. also for those who had had the

[2:19] daylight savings change

[2:22] um to just use the Sri Lankan time.

[2:27] Uh we will begin by taking refuge in the

[2:30] Buddha, Dharma and Sana and accept the

[2:33] five precepts together

[2:36] which is an ancient tradition that we

[2:39] keep to get into the right mindset and

[2:43] to strengthen our resolve and to remind

[2:46] ourselves of the goodness that we are

[2:49] doing.

[2:51] uh taking refuge means we accept the

[2:54] Buddha, his teachings and the

[2:56] enlightened disciples as refuge and

[2:59] guides in our life.

[3:02] And the five precepts

[3:05] uh for training ourselves in abstension

[3:08] from killing, stealing, sexual

[3:11] misconduct, lying and taking drugs and

[3:14] alcohol.

[3:16] Is there someone in the discord group

[3:18] who would like to lead the recitation

[3:21] today?

[3:24] >> I would like to.

[3:27] >> Thank you. You may start when you're

[3:29] ready.

[3:49] The Aana

[4:03] sudhas

[4:08] archa Buddhas

[4:17] Buddhas.

[4:29] Fore!

[4:39] Foreign! Foreign!

[4:49] mechani.

[5:18] Foreign

[5:58] sanche.

[6:18] Somebody

[6:47] sad.

[6:58] Money.

[7:13] Mama.

[7:45] Sudd

[7:52] su

[7:56] sad.

[8:16] Okay, thank you. And now we can continue

[8:19] with

[8:21] our study. We are on page

[8:25] 205 of the physical book.

[8:29] and

[8:31] 215 of the PDF.

[8:35] Before we start reading, please remember

[8:37] to uh read about two paragraphs

[8:41] and take your time while reading and

[8:44] also leave a break in in between each

[8:46] paragraph for a few seconds to give time

[8:50] for questions or uh some explanation by

[8:53] the venerable.

[8:56] And if you want to be part of the

[8:59] reading group, um if you don't know, you

[9:02] just have to do at least the at home

[9:04] course and uh send us a request

[9:08] afterwards.

[9:11] The last reader was Thomas.

[9:15] So I think the next one would be SA. We

[9:19] go by alphabetical order but uh

[9:22] [clears throat] I will shortly post the

[9:24] list.

[9:31] 108 million Brahmas likewise achieved

[9:35] similar realization.

[9:38] According to the

[9:41] millinda,

[9:43] innumerable deities of the sensual

[9:47] realms

[9:48] also meditated in a similar way and

[9:52] attain the higher knowledge of the path

[9:55] and its fruition.

[9:57] Because all the beings who were

[9:59] developed sufficiently to receive the

[10:02] dharma had attained higher knowledge and

[10:06] because he had completely covered

[10:12] all the things that he should teach. The

[10:16] blessed one brought his discourse to a

[10:19] conclusion

[10:21] with the closing words just coded above.

[10:26] The reciters at the first council had

[10:30] recorded this account of the termination

[10:33] of the discourse and how the group of

[10:37] five monks were gladdened

[10:40] by the discourse of these birds.

[11:01] Records of the first Buddhist council.

[11:14] or

[11:19] basin.

[11:24] Thus spoke the blessed one starting with

[11:29] these two extremes monks should not be

[11:32] followed by one gone forth and ending

[11:37] with now there is no more re rebirth and

[11:43] the group of five monks greatly rejoiced

[11:47] welcoming the words of the blessed one

[11:50] with delight. Right.

[11:54] >> All right. So, we are coming in

[11:58] in the middle of a a section or at the

[12:01] end of the section. But this is the

[12:03] section where the

[12:08] Buddha has finished giving the talk and

[12:10] the Mahasi SA has been discussing how

[12:13] the audience benefited from the

[12:18] teaching.

[12:19] We're going to hear more about that

[12:22] coming up as well.

[12:26] This is this line here is the standard

[12:29] ending

[12:31] for a great number of the discourses.

[12:35] The last line will always be.

[12:40] It usually just says those

[12:48] and the te on the end. It just signifies

[12:50] the end of the discourse.

[12:52] I remember this discourse actually not

[12:54] having the tit there because it doesn't

[12:56] end there. But then I looked and the the

[12:59] version of the poly that I have actually

[13:02] has the t as well. So, not sure if it's

[13:04] just the tie or what, but it shouldn't

[13:07] have a deep really as far as I can

[13:09] understand. It's not really interesting,

[13:11] but

[13:13] uh it's that this the written isn't

[13:16] actually finished there.

[13:27] They rejoiced. But then there's more.

[14:19] Are you able to continue?

[14:24] >> Yes. My apologies.

[14:33] We uh thus spoke.

[14:38] It is worthy of

[14:42] Special note, the one afterwards.

[14:45] >> Okay. Thank you.

[14:47] It is worthy of special note that the

[14:50] elders of the first council recorded how

[14:54] the venerable Kana

[14:57] attained higher knowledge.

[15:08] We

[15:12] harimas

[15:27] daka

[15:30] party

[15:33] young kinchi

[15:36] Samu.

[15:49] And while this discourse was being

[15:51] expounded or having been expounded, the

[15:55] dustless and stainless eye of Dharma

[15:58] arose to the venerable Kandana.

[16:02] Everything that has the nature of

[16:04] arising has the nature of seizing.

[16:11] So just a brief recap that his audience

[16:14] remember this is the first discourse

[16:16] that the Buddha gave and his audience

[16:18] was these five aesthetics who had

[16:22] previously been uh well Kanya had

[16:25] previously been one of the

[16:28] one of the court astrologers at the

[16:30] bodhicatta's birth when the bodhicatta

[16:33] was born

[16:35] when he was what 5 days old I

[16:38] All the court astrologers came and they

[16:40] all pronounced they held up two fingers

[16:43] and they pronounced two potential

[16:47] destinies for the bodhicatta that if he

[16:49] stayed in in the home life he would

[16:53] become the king of the earth and if he

[16:56] left home he would become a Buddha.

[17:01] But Gondo only held up he was the

[17:03] youngest. Gondo was the youngest out of

[17:05] I think 108 of them. And Gondana only

[17:08] held up one finger. He said

[17:12] without doubt he will leave home and he

[17:14] will become a Buddha.

[17:17] Later on after the bodhicatta left home

[17:20] or sorry before the bodhic sata left

[17:22] home as these court astrologers got

[17:24] older they all told their children or I

[17:29] guess four of them told their children

[17:32] that if the if if it's true as kanya

[17:36] says that the bodhicata does go forth

[17:40] you must all

[17:44] determine by yourself to go forth as

[17:47] well to follow him because he will

[17:49] surely lead you to enlightenment as

[17:52] well. So when the bodhicatta did go

[17:55] forth, Gondana left but all the other

[17:59] all the other cord astrologers were told

[18:01] and probably dead by then.

[18:04] But Gondana left with these four sons of

[18:06] the court astrologers. And so those are

[18:08] the five aesthetics.

[18:11] Gondana was at that point the oldest of

[18:13] the five of them.

[18:15] And it was only kanya that became

[18:18] sautana from sitting and listening to

[18:21] the Buddha's words.

[18:24] Listening to a dhamma talk can be a real

[18:26] great opportunity for

[18:29] spiritual attainment.

[18:32] It's not to be

[18:35] not to be put aside or

[18:38] not to be doubted anyway.

[18:41] This is certainly a great opportunity,

[18:45] especially you're listening to the

[18:46] Buddha teach.

[18:49] If for no other reason than you're

[18:50] you're a

[18:53] you're forced to be present, you know,

[18:56] you can't

[18:58] leave and you're constantly being

[19:01] reminded of the of the dharma.

[19:08] Be great for patience.

[19:52] I think it was only one paragraph if you

[19:54] want to read another one.

[19:58] Okay, sure.

[20:02] Briefly,

[20:03] this record states that the venerable

[20:06] Kondana became a stream winner by

[20:10] attainment of the path and its fruition.

[20:13] When did it happen? He attained it while

[20:16] the blessed one was expounding the

[20:19] discourse.

[20:20] This is the precise translation

[20:24] of the grammatical tense as given in the

[20:26] text.

[20:28] Ba man.

[20:31] Ba man.

[20:34] The sat.

[20:38] The sat deep deep bunny sub commentary.

[20:43] The sat

[20:45] deep pony sub commentary reproduced the

[20:50] same tense.

[20:52] However, the pati sida commentary

[20:56] preferred to take the perfect past tense

[20:59] approximate to the present tense

[21:03] ban

[21:05] meaning after being expounded.

[21:09] I have thus rendered it as having been

[21:12] expounded.

[21:33] Venerable cond Gonda attains higher

[21:36] knowledge. The venerable conda could

[21:40] have developed the noble eight-fold path

[21:43] and attained the noble path while the

[21:46] blessed one was enunciating on the

[21:49] middle path during the discourse. When

[21:53] he heard about the four noble truths

[21:56] too, he could have contemplated to know

[22:00] what should be known and attained the

[22:03] higher knowledge of the path.

[22:07] Especially when he heard that the truth

[22:09] of suffering should be fully

[22:11] comprehended and the path should be

[22:14] developed. It is very probable that he

[22:18] would contemplate

[22:19] on the

[22:22] truth of suffering otherwise known as

[22:26] the aggregates of attachment and by

[22:29] developing the path of insight attain

[22:33] the higher knowledge of the path and

[22:36] fruition of dream winning.

[22:48] As for

[22:48] >> another thing to to remember about

[22:52] Gondana, if you didn't know this is I

[22:55] think I've mentioned it earlier in this

[22:57] study group, Gondana was um Kanya has a

[23:02] long history with the bodhicatta

[23:05] life after life after life

[23:08] starting with well not just the

[23:11] bodhicatta but with let's say Buddhism

[23:13] in general but it started

[23:17] in the time of a previous Buddha

[23:21] I think probably Deepankara

[23:25] when he was brothers

[23:28] with another fairly important

[23:32] disciple of the Buddha. This other

[23:34] disciple of the Buddha was called

[23:36] Subadada.

[23:40] But in this time, Kondanya and Sububada

[23:42] were brothers. They had other names.

[23:45] And they were farmers.

[23:48] They were rice farmers.

[23:52] And um this may not have been their

[23:54] beginning of their following of Buddhism

[23:57] or or Buddhas in general, but they were

[23:59] very keen to offer some

[24:04] gift to the Bu Buddha, some sort of uh

[24:08] food offering.

[24:10] They listened to the Buddha Deepanker's

[24:12] teaching maybe and

[24:14] they were keen to

[24:17] support him.

[24:20] So they had this rice growing but it was

[24:24] it was green. It was young rice.

[24:28] And so Kondana said, "Let's offer the

[24:32] first

[24:33] let's offer the very first

[24:38] uh portion of rice before it's before

[24:40] it's dry, before it's uh mature.

[24:45] As soon as we see this green rice, let's

[24:49] offer that." But Subata said that's

[24:52] crazy. We should wait.

[24:54] Why would we offer that? We should wait

[24:55] and offer the rice that is uh

[25:01] that is well mature. We can cook it and

[25:04] that's that's what people eat. That's

[25:06] what people that's what we'll offer.

[25:09] That's what people offer. Let's offer

[25:10] according to that. We'll offer the very

[25:13] peak of the harvest.

[25:20] But Kanya said, "No, no, I I disagree.

[25:22] We have to offer the very first. will

[25:24] offer it when it's green. I guess you

[25:26] can make rice milk at the very least out

[25:28] of it or maybe you can cook it up. I

[25:29] don't know. And they couldn't agree. And

[25:32] so Subada said, well, or one of them

[25:35] said they agreed that they'll split

[25:37] their field in half and Kany could do

[25:41] what he likes and Suba would do what he

[25:43] likes.

[25:44] And so Kanya gave the very first portion

[25:47] of his field

[25:49] to the Buddha Deepankara. He made a

[25:52] determination.

[25:54] May I be the first person

[25:57] in some future time

[25:59] under some future Buddha. May I be the

[26:01] first person to understand the dharma

[26:04] in his dispensation.

[26:08] Later on when the rice was mature,

[26:10] Sububada also gave an offering to the

[26:12] Buddha.

[26:14] most mature the the very

[26:17] final

[26:18] time of the rice when it was at its

[26:21] final maturity and he made a resolution

[26:24] I guess may I be the last person in some

[26:28] future dispensation of the Buddha may I

[26:30] be be the last person

[26:33] to understand his teaching before he

[26:35] passes into

[26:39] and that's the story of according to

[26:41] this the texts of how this came to be

[26:44] that Gunda was the very first person

[26:48] to appreciate the Buddhist teaching

[26:51] and to see the truth as a result and

[26:56] Sububada as his name came to be was the

[26:59] last person. So if you read the

[27:00] Parinibana Suta there is one last person

[27:03] who came to see the Buddha,

[27:05] one last monk who came to see the Buddha

[27:08] and the Buddha gave him his teachings.

[27:13] I don't know whether he became a sapana

[27:15] but he became somehow

[27:22] he was given the last teaching anyway.

[27:38] As for contemplating suffering, by

[27:41] noting the sound of the teaching at

[27:43] every instant of hearing it, he would

[27:46] come to know the reality as it is and

[27:49] the three characteristics

[27:52] and in this way developed the noble

[27:54] eight-fold path.

[27:58] When deep appreciation for the meaning

[28:01] of the discourse arose, it could be

[28:03] contemplated upon. devotional

[28:06] appreciation of the dharma and for the

[28:09] voice that delivered. It could be noted

[28:12] to as it occurred. Rejoicing that came

[28:16] after appreciation.

[28:18] The thrill of joy that accomp

[28:21] accompanied it could all be

[28:23] contemplated.

[28:25] It is probable that joy pi was taken as

[28:29] an object for contemplation.

[28:34] It was mentioned in the Pali texts that

[28:36] at the moment when the mind was feeling

[28:39] fit and prepared, soft and tender,

[28:44] free from hindrances, elated and

[28:47] exalted, full of faith and devotion,

[28:51] hearing the discourse on the four

[28:53] truths, many attain to higher knowledge.

[28:57] The noble eight-fold path could also be

[29:00] developed by noting what is occurring in

[29:03] the body, the sensations of pain or

[29:06] pleasure in the body, and by

[29:09] contemplating the act of paying

[29:11] respectful homage to the Buddha.

[29:19] Yeah. All of this is

[29:24] in

[29:26] in the context of gonda having done a

[29:29] lot of work in past lives. I think he

[29:32] appears

[29:34] in the jatikas as well.

[29:38] But uh he certainly has a

[29:42] a history of practice and dedication.

[29:49] that allowed him to to first of all

[29:52] quickly appreciate the bodhic satta and

[29:55] to recognize the greatness of the bodhic

[29:57] sata in a way that no one else could

[30:02] but also to quickly appreciate his

[30:04] teachings.

[30:17] Seeing, hearing etc. mentioned above

[30:21] with respect to the mental and physical

[30:24] phenomena presently arising are not mer

[30:27] concepts pi.

[30:29] They are ultimate realities paramata

[30:32] dharma that actually occur.

[30:36] The aggregates of attachment are such

[30:39] realities.

[30:41] The truth of suffering which should be

[30:43] fully comprehended is also an ultimate

[30:46] reality

[30:48] and every phenomenon is noted in

[30:51] accordance with the teachings that the

[30:53] truth of suffering should be fully

[30:55] comprehended.

[30:56] The truth of suffering is fully

[30:58] comprehended through understanding the

[31:01] three characteristics.

[31:03] On each occasion of understanding in

[31:06] this way craving that may arise because

[31:09] of the notion of permanence, pleasure

[31:11] and self gets eliminated

[31:14] having no opportunity to arise. This

[31:17] momentary abandonment of the this is

[31:20] momentary abandonment of the origin of

[31:23] suffering.

[31:26] >> Right? So this is an important terra

[31:28] Buddhist concept. The difference between

[31:30] petti

[31:31] and paramata

[31:33] pi is of two kinds. There is called

[31:36] namai and

[31:39] all that means is I've talked about this

[31:41] before that everything has a name. Nama

[31:45] means names. So namai means even real

[31:48] things have names and they'll have

[31:50] different names of course in different

[31:51] languages but even in the same language

[31:53] you can call them different things.

[31:56] So for example pain pain has a name. The

[31:59] pain itself is real. It's called a

[32:01] paramata. Why? Because it's a part of

[32:04] experience. It's directly perceived.

[32:07] Pain is not something you imagine or you

[32:09] conceive of or you create in the mind.

[32:13] It's something that arises involuntarily

[32:16] and it's something that truly arises.

[32:20] U

[32:21] but but the name itself is just a

[32:24] concept. So we use names and this is

[32:27] where the the idea of the mantra comes

[32:29] into being because both and samata use

[32:32] mantras

[32:34] means they use words to focus your

[32:36] attention on an object and there's two

[32:38] kinds of objects.

[32:41] The the word itself is always a concept

[32:43] but the the object can be conceptual or

[32:46] it can be real. A real object for

[32:48] example is pain. So when you say to

[32:50] yourself pain, pain, yes, the word

[32:52] itself is a concept, but the object is

[32:54] not. And so because the word focuses

[32:56] your attention on the object, you're

[32:59] able to see ultimate reality. Even

[33:00] though you're using a concept, it's a

[33:03] different kind of concept.

[33:05] Uh but you can also have focus on an

[33:08] object that's that the object is a

[33:10] concept. That's called

[33:13] so you can conceive of the color white.

[33:17] You say to yourself white, white or

[33:20] earth.

[33:21] You think you perceive in your mind

[33:23] earth or you look at the earth.

[33:26] The earth and and white are concepts

[33:28] because the reality is is is simpler

[33:31] than that. The reality in in both cases

[33:34] is seeing

[33:38] and you're seeing light. But white is

[33:41] just a name that you give to to an an

[33:44] idea of this being you know a certain

[33:47] color or you give an idea to the to the

[33:52] seeing of earth that this is earth but

[33:55] earth itself is just your p your uh

[33:59] extrapolation of it. An easy way to

[34:01] think of this is when you when you close

[34:05] your hand,

[34:07] bring your fingers to together and your

[34:09] thumb on top and you end up with what we

[34:12] call a fist.

[34:14] If you look at it, you can say, well,

[34:16] this is a fist. And and that really is a

[34:18] fist. But then if you slowly open your

[34:20] hand, the fist disappears.

[34:24] A fist didn't actually exist in the

[34:25] first place. fist was just a

[34:29] idea

[34:30] that you have. You you recognize this

[34:34] and you say this formation we call a

[34:36] fist. But actually it's just it's not

[34:38] even body. It's just seeing

[34:41] when you feel your hand in clenched in a

[34:44] fist. It's not it's also not actually

[34:46] the fist. It's just a feeling the

[34:48] feeling of tension.

[34:51] The whole body itself is just a concept.

[34:54] The reality is the feelings, the

[34:56] experiences.

[34:58] It's hard if you haven't practiced

[35:00] mindfulness to understand this. Of

[35:01] course, it's glaringly obvious if you

[35:03] have. And so, this is a huge shift that

[35:05] goes on for the meditator. When someone

[35:08] begins to practice mindfulness, they

[35:10] make this dramatic shift from conceiving

[35:13] of things like body as real and fist as

[35:16] real and

[35:18] earth as real to to realizing

[35:21] there's a different level of reality

[35:24] that's much more real than these

[35:26] concepts. And that we call paramata

[35:28] dhama which is it's not it's a grand

[35:30] name for something very simple. It's

[35:32] just seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting,

[35:34] feeling, thinking. It's the experiences.

[35:37] The fist isn't real, but the feeling of

[35:39] clenching that tension of course is

[35:42] real. You feel it.

[35:52] >> Andy, uh, thank thank you for explaining

[35:55] this. Um, I have a question, Bendy,

[35:58] because this actually I have been

[36:01] meaning to ask you this question. So for

[36:03] example during the walking meditation

[36:07] so we do

[36:10] say note moving lifting and moving and

[36:15] uh dropping so

[36:17] sometimes I find that I'm focusing on

[36:22] noting the names of the steps

[36:26] and then I find that the mind doesn't

[36:30] really get onto the the movement itself

[36:33] because I was paying attention to the

[36:35] noting but sometimes my mind is very

[36:40] fine and then that by that time I can

[36:44] experience the movement of the feet and

[36:49] brushing the air around the you know the

[36:52] feet and things like that. So in this

[36:55] context bendy which one is a paramata

[36:59] and which one is a pi?

[37:03] Thank you bundi.

[37:05] >> Well the paramata is the body and the

[37:07] mind. So you're also experiencing the

[37:09] impermanence of your own experiences

[37:13] and also non-self because you're trying

[37:16] to be very mindful but you find your

[37:18] mind is not obeying you. Remember, when

[37:21] we focus on the body, we're not we're

[37:24] not even primarily interested in the

[37:26] body. We're much more interested in the

[37:27] mind. We focus on the body to allow us

[37:30] to understand and to improve the mind.

[37:35] And you do this by

[37:38] seeing basically seeing the three

[37:39] characteristics. I mean, most

[37:41] importantly seeing the three

[37:42] characteristics. So that's what that's

[37:44] the significance of what you're

[37:46] describing.

[37:49] Not not that one way is better or one

[37:51] way is worse, but that you can't keep

[37:53] the mind a certain way

[37:56] and that the ultimate reality there is

[37:57] is the mind that is sometimes focused,

[38:01] sometimes distracted,

[38:06] impermanent, unsatisfying,

[38:08] uncontrollable.

[38:12] >> Thank Thank you, Bendy. Yes, it's very

[38:14] true. the word is very unsatisfactory

[38:17] one you you know sometimes it's so so

[38:20] agitated because you can't focus on what

[38:23] you want to focus on so thank you Bendy

[38:26] this this is very helpful thank you

[38:34] I also have a question bant regarding

[38:36] the text uh it says that uh the truth of

[38:41] suffering is also ultimate reality and

[38:44] That's quite confusing to me. As far as

[38:46] I know in the Abidama there are four

[38:50] parameans the rupaika

[38:54] and nibana

[38:57] and

[39:00] well they don't list the

[39:03] noble truths there and could you

[39:07] explain how the truth of suffering is

[39:10] also paramatma

[39:14] >> what is the truth of suffering

[39:17] What what have we learned is the truth

[39:19] of suffering?

[39:21] >> The five aggregates of clinging. Okay.

[39:25] >> There's your answer.

[39:27] >> Okay. Thank you.

[39:34] Illusion

[39:41] or ignorance with respect to the object

[39:44] being contemplated together with

[39:46] defilements comma and results that may

[39:49] arise in connection with it. Vanish and

[39:52] come to sensation to with each noting.

[39:56] This is momentary sization achieved with

[39:59] each noting by virtue of having

[40:01] accomplished it.

[40:04] It goes without saying that the path of

[40:07] insight is being developed at each

[40:09] moment of observation.

[40:18] You can finish the

[40:21] last part of the text here.

[40:24] >> Okay. Thank you.

[40:27] In this way by noting what was seen,

[40:30] heard etc. The venerable kana developed

[40:34] insight which knows the four truths as

[40:38] they should be known and obtained the

[40:40] path and fruition of stream winning

[40:43] while listening to the discourse. In

[40:46] other words, he became a stream winner

[40:48] right at the end of the discourse.

[41:13] How path knowledge is stainless.

[41:17] The eye of tama attained by the

[41:19] venerable kundana was praised in the

[41:23] suta as being dustfree and stainless.

[41:27] It would be profitable to consider how

[41:30] this knowledge was dustfree and

[41:32] stainless.

[41:34] The Sat

[41:36] Saratani

[41:39] sub commentary states it is dustfree

[41:43] being free from the dust and dirt of

[41:46] lust raga which would lead to the lower

[41:50] realms.

[41:51] It is stainless being free from the

[41:54] defilements of wrong view

[41:58] and skeptical doubt. Vichika.

[42:03] This is a figurative

[42:06] description of the definements that are

[42:08] eliminated by the path of stream

[42:11] winning.

[42:13] However, the party Samaga

[42:16] commentary

[42:18] considers both as dust and as dust and

[42:22] defilements etc.

[42:25] Lust tends to conceal and hence it is

[42:29] likened to dust.

[42:32] Again, lust is likened to defilements

[42:36] because it spoils or brings destruction.

[42:47] This is just a

[42:49] explanation of those two words.

[42:58] It's just asking what does the first

[43:00] word mean? What does the second word

[43:02] mean? But it's also just a rheto

[43:05] rhetorical tool used by the Buddha

[43:08] again where you say the same thing in

[43:10] two different ways to impress and to

[43:14] flesh out the idea. So you say it's both

[43:17] dustless and stainless. You're not

[43:19] really

[43:21] trying to impress two different things

[43:23] by saying those two things, but the

[43:26] commentary is keen to

[43:30] be precise.

[43:32] It's not it's not something of course to

[43:35] be read into. But if you want to

[43:36] understand what what is this paragraph

[43:38] talking about, it's just there's two

[43:40] words that it's trying to understand.

[43:45] Another another thing about this is um

[43:49] putting aside the the

[43:53] what it means to be dustless or what

[43:54] what we can call dust, what we can call

[43:56] stains.

[43:58] The point is that through the practice

[44:01] of mindfulness, you see clearly, right?

[44:03] This is this is vipasana.

[44:06] Remember we means clearly basana means

[44:09] seeing. So this imagery of the eye is

[44:12] very much in line with the idea of

[44:15] seeing clearly as the Buddha said

[44:21] seeing with wisdom

[44:27] and

[44:29] it's impressed upon us that the it's the

[44:31] defilements that prevent us from seeing

[44:33] clearly. And as a meditator of course we

[44:35] impress upon

[44:38] the people practicing meditation

[44:40] mindfulness that the five hindrances

[44:44] are called hindrances because they

[44:46] prevent you from seeing clearly and you

[44:49] have to address them. You can't avoid

[44:52] them. You have to face them patiently,

[44:57] cleanse them through mindfulness,

[44:59] through simply paying attention to them

[45:01] and being objective about them and

[45:05] cultivating the strength of mind to

[45:09] dispel them.

[45:13] So it's the point is that with the

[45:16] defilements you can't see clearly and by

[45:19] purifying the mind creating a clarity of

[45:21] mind through mindfulness you can see

[45:24] clearly

[45:27] you see clearly basically

[45:30] he he he sums it up here as

[45:35] that everything that arises everything

[45:37] that is of a nature to arise

[45:40] all of that is of a nature to cease. And

[45:44] the meaning there is that nothing is

[45:46] worth clinging to. The really the the

[45:48] essence or the important

[45:50] aspect of that is simply that it's all

[45:54] uh impermanent. It's all unsatisfying.

[45:57] It's all nonself

[45:59] and and more precisely it's not worth

[46:02] clinging to. So the mind lets go is the

[46:04] point.

[46:24] Another consideration arises here. Does

[46:28] being free from dust and defilements

[46:30] mean a the arising of the eye of dhamma

[46:35] otherwise known as path knowledge.

[46:38] unaccompanied by dust and defilements or

[46:41] B not hindering path knowledge so that

[46:45] nibbana could not be seen.

[46:48] The path however has no association with

[46:51] defilements.

[46:53] It is obvious therefore that it has no

[46:56] reference here to freedom from dust and

[46:59] defilements.

[47:02] Thus dustfree and stainless should be

[47:05] understood in the sense of not hindering

[47:08] path knowledge so that nibbana could not

[47:12] be seen.

[47:31] This is how hindrances are over

[47:34] overcome.

[47:36] Whilst wrong view and skeptical doubt

[47:39] which should be eliminated by stream

[47:42] winning

[47:43] and lust that leads to the lower realms

[47:46] remain in force in spite of insight

[47:50] meditation. If nibbana is not seen yet

[47:54] by means of the knowledge of streaming,

[48:00] it is just like the inability to see

[48:03] because of a cataract.

[48:07] However, when insight knowledge becomes

[48:10] fully accomplished and strengthened,

[48:14] the wrong view, skeptical doubt, and

[48:17] lust that would lead to the lower realms

[48:20] would get weakened.

[48:23] So, they can no longer hinder the sight

[48:26] of the bar.

[48:28] Just as the cataract that gets thinner

[48:32] can no longer completely obscure one's

[48:36] sight.

[48:37] [clears throat and cough]

[48:40] Then the knowledge of stream winning can

[48:43] see through and realize [clears throat]

[48:45] the nibbana.

[48:48] Such capacity to perceive through and

[48:52] [clears throat] realize nibbana is

[48:54] described as dustfree.

[48:58] Viraang

[49:00] and stainless vita malang

[49:06] path knowledge eradicates only after

[49:10] insight has done its utmost to eliminate

[49:14] Eight.

[49:30] The above interpretation

[49:33] confirms with the figurative description

[49:36] of the eye of Dharma

[49:39] and with the expositions in the visi and

[49:43] it its mahatika

[49:47] which state that super mundane path

[49:51] knowledge eradicates without remainder

[49:54] only those defilements

[49:57] which have been weakened to the utmost

[50:01] by mundane inside knowledge.

[50:21] Path knowledge evolves from insight.

[50:26] It should be especially noted here that

[50:31] supra mundane path knowledge does not

[50:34] arise out of nowhere.

[50:37] Just as the succeeding consciousness

[50:40] arises

[50:42] out of the preceding consciousness,

[50:46] path knowledge can also be said by way

[50:50] of unity

[50:53] to have arisen out of insight knowledge.

[50:58] Thus definements such as wrong view and

[51:03] doubt which have been

[51:06] debilitated

[51:08] by the power of insight can no longer

[51:12] keep nibana obscured from view.

[51:18] by dustfree and stainless is meant.

[51:23] This inability of last

[51:26] etc to keep Nibana

[51:30] concealed any longer.

[51:41] The Brahmayu suda describes

[51:45] the three lower paths as the as the eye

[51:50] of dharma damagu

[51:54] in the kulara

[51:57] loa suda

[52:00] all the four paths and fusions are

[52:03] described as the eye of dharma

[52:08] one therefore these higher attainment

[52:10] ments are stated to be dustfree

[52:14] and stainless. It means that lust and

[52:18] ill will are so weakened by virtue of

[52:23] insight knowledge that they could not

[52:26] keep the nibana concealed from view.

[52:30] I have taken the trouble of delving

[52:34] deeply into these points to make it

[52:38] easily comprehensible

[52:41] that path knowledge does not arise out

[52:45] of nowhere but evolves only from

[52:49] insight.

[52:51] evolved evolves only from inside

[52:53] knowledge by virtue of natural surfacing

[52:58] conditions

[53:01] to panic.

[53:07] So the the importance of

[53:11] what he is saying here is that

[53:16] well practically the the important thing

[53:18] to note is that the the wisdom that you

[53:20] gain from

[53:23] the practice of mindfulness

[53:26] is is essential

[53:29] to

[53:33] cultivate or to lead to the arising or

[53:36] the the

[53:38] occurring of the experience of nibbana.

[53:43] But conversely

[53:45] and practically of practical importance

[53:48] is the realization that therefore

[53:51] the wisdom that you gain through the

[53:53] practice of mindfulness isn't enough and

[53:55] it isn't the goal. Because this is also

[53:58] an issue.

[54:01] the issue of

[54:04] being complacent or content with the

[54:08] mundane wisdom that you gain through the

[54:10] practice of mindfulness. The benefits

[54:11] that you gained through practice of

[54:14] mindfulness. The sort of benefits you

[54:15] might get from taking our at home course

[54:18] for example

[54:20] and thinking well this is it. This is

[54:22] what is a mass to offer. If I practice

[54:24] more this is all this is what's going to

[54:26] come. It'll just be more of this. And

[54:27] that's not the case.

[54:29] The truth is when that wisdom mundane

[54:32] wisdom gets developed enough there

[54:35] arises or there yeah there arises a

[54:37] different sort of wisdom and there

[54:39] occurs an experience of sensation

[54:44] letting go as a result of that wisdom.

[54:49] But that letting go is not something

[54:50] that you just experience throughout the

[54:52] course. something that you experience as

[54:55] a result of dedicated practice

[55:00] or not. It's something that that you

[55:02] strive to to achieve

[55:06] and we have ways of guiding

[55:10] one to

[55:12] towards that goal.

[55:15] It's important to appreciate that the

[55:17] the dichotomy of the practice that

[55:19] there's the mundane and the super

[55:20] mundane and they're categorically

[55:23] different but the mundane leads to the

[55:25] super mundane because the other thing

[55:26] you could say that he's trying to say

[55:28] here is that you can't just expect

[55:30] somehow uh unprompted this attainment of

[55:35] the path to arise that somehow if you

[55:37] sit around long enough it's just going

[55:38] to happen by itself. that you need to do

[55:41] the work

[55:43] and your focus should never be on the

[55:45] arising of nibbana. You can't sit around

[55:48] trying to make it arise or waiting for

[55:50] it to arise or focusing on it. Your

[55:53] focus should be on very much on the

[55:55] mundane.

[55:57] It's an important

[55:59] point in in trying to understand the

[56:03] practice of mindfulness

[56:05] is that your focus should never be on

[56:07] the goal.

[56:10] and therefore should never be on a goal.

[56:13] It should be on the objects of

[56:16] experience as they arise without really

[56:19] reference to a goal at all.

[56:22] A goal is something that comes about by

[56:25] cultivation of of a different

[56:29] thing of mundane wisdom which is

[56:32] categorically different from the goal.

[56:36] But the goal being the letting go of the

[56:38] things that you don't understand and

[56:40] therefore cling to.

[56:43] That wisdom is what leads the wisdom

[56:45] which sees that those things are not

[56:47] worth clinging to is therefore which

[56:49] leads to the goal. That which leads to

[56:52] the goal.

[57:11] The question then arises

[57:14] how does this eye of dharma otherwise

[57:16] known as the path knowledge of stream

[57:18] winning arise.

[57:21] This knowledge arises by perceiving that

[57:23] everything that has the nature of

[57:26] arising has the nature of passing away.

[57:30] There are two modes of perceiving this.

[57:33] At the moment of developing the

[57:35] knowledge of arising and passing away

[57:40] nana seeing origination and instant

[57:44] dissolution,

[57:45] the realization comes that what arises

[57:48] passes into dissolution.

[57:51] This is perception by means of insight.

[57:56] When the knowledge of equinimity about

[57:58] formations

[58:00] sankar rupeeka nana is fully established

[58:05] while noting the continuous process of

[58:07] dissolution of mind and matter a stage

[58:11] is reached when volitional activities of

[58:15] mind matter and mental mental formations

[58:20] dissolve into a state of complete

[58:22] sessation.

[58:25] This is perceiving the peaceful bliss of

[58:28] nibana by actually realizing it. When

[58:32] all the phenomena of constant arising

[58:36] come to complete sessation,

[58:40] this is perception by path knowledge.

[58:46] Yes. So sanupanyana knowledge of

[58:48] equinimity about formations

[58:50] is the the highest of the vipasana

[58:54] knowledges

[58:56] and so it's not knowledge in the way the

[58:58] problem with this word knowledge is it's

[58:59] misunderstood and misinterpreted as

[59:02] being something intellectual but it's

[59:04] not that at all.

[59:07] It's rather the perception the way of

[59:09] perceiving the the experience that you

[59:11] have.

[59:13] So it's called knowledge, but

[59:16] it's it's knowledge in the sense that

[59:18] you're not you're not taking someone's

[59:20] word from for it. You actually know it

[59:23] for yourself. Meaning you actually

[59:25] experience it for yourself. But what you

[59:28] experience is equinimity. It's not a

[59:30] state of calm per se or it's not just a

[59:33] state of calm. It's a state of

[59:35] perceiving every single thing that

[59:37] arises in the way that did.

[59:43] So seeing it as something that arises

[59:46] and ceases, not seeing it as good or bad

[59:48] or me or mine or right or wrong or

[59:51] whatever. Seeing it just as that which

[59:54] arises and that which ceases. And so

[59:56] there's no distinction made. There's no

[59:59] liking of some things, disliking of some

[1:00:01] other things. There's a clarity that

[1:00:04] this is arising and this is ceasing

[1:00:06] which is the necessary state

[1:00:11] in order to then let go in order to then

[1:00:14] achieve this wisdom that says nothing is

[1:00:16] worth clinging to

[1:00:19] and not clinging.

[1:00:31] The eye of Dharma otherwise called the

[1:00:34] path knowledge of

[1:00:35] >> I think we can stop here Lara.

[1:00:37] [clears throat]

[1:00:37] >> Okay.

[1:00:40] >> But thank you

[1:00:43] and thank you everyone for reading today

[1:00:46] and joining us here and we are not

[1:00:49] finished yet. We will slowly move on to

[1:00:53] the Q&A.

[1:00:55] So if you have any questions

[1:00:58] regarding your practice regarding

[1:01:00] Buddhism,

[1:01:02] something sincere to ask from the

[1:01:04] venerable Utadamu,

[1:01:07] um please feel free to use this

[1:01:09] opportunity.

[1:01:11] And if you have no questions, uh you can

[1:01:14] just meditate and listen mindfully.

[1:01:19] and Cibitsu will

[1:01:23] slowly

[1:01:24] start asking those questions. You can

[1:01:27] also use your microphone or just type it

[1:01:29] in either here on Discord or on YouTube.

[1:01:45] Thank you.

[1:02:51] P I had a question.

[1:02:54] Um between the three defilements anger,

[1:02:58] greed and delusion,

[1:03:02] am I correct in interpreting that

[1:03:05] delusion is the worst of all three?

[1:03:09] Because that creates a lot of stress and

[1:03:12] one requires wisdom to

[1:03:16] um to understand. Like if one has

[1:03:19] paranoia or or dealing with a lot of

[1:03:22] intrusive thoughts then the delusion

[1:03:24] requires wisdom for it to slowly start

[1:03:28] to wither away.

[1:03:31] And therefore delusion is one of the

[1:03:32] strongest the the most difficult

[1:03:35] defilement to overcome.

[1:03:41] Well, the the the general distinction or

[1:03:44] the the the accepted distinction for the

[1:03:48] three is that

[1:03:51] greed is

[1:03:53] little blamed

[1:03:55] but slow to change.

[1:03:59] Anger is greatly blamed

[1:04:03] but quick to change.

[1:04:06] And delusion is greatly blamed and slow

[1:04:10] to change,

[1:04:12] meaning

[1:04:15] it's pernicious.

[1:04:19] >> But um

[1:04:21] and so that that's an indication that

[1:04:23] yes, the answer is that it's the worst.

[1:04:25] It's also worth

[1:04:27] noting that it can be valuable to

[1:04:31] appreciate the difference in that way

[1:04:32] and to appreciate the distinction that

[1:04:34] delusion is the worst because it helps

[1:04:37] remind you not to be to so discouraged

[1:04:39] by greed or anger and rather to

[1:04:44] put your focus on the delusion

[1:04:47] that gives rise to greed and anger.

[1:04:48] Because the other thing to note is that

[1:04:50] greed and anger both

[1:04:55] have an element of delusion in them.

[1:04:58] They can't arise without delusion.

[1:05:02] So,

[1:05:04] so they're

[1:05:07] strengthening the case that delusion is

[1:05:08] the worst because without it none of

[1:05:10] them exist. But more importantly, greed

[1:05:14] isn't the real problem or it isn't it

[1:05:16] isn't where you have to focus to find a

[1:05:18] solution. It's the delusion. So if

[1:05:20] rather than trying to get rid of the

[1:05:23] greed, you face it. Get rid of the

[1:05:25] anger. Instead of trying to get rid of

[1:05:27] it, you face the anger, you face the

[1:05:29] greed.

[1:05:31] It actually doesn't immediately

[1:05:33] necessarily dispel the greed or the

[1:05:35] anger, but it starts to change your

[1:05:38] perspective.

[1:05:39] And the fact that you can't get rid of

[1:05:41] it on on on command is an important part

[1:05:46] of the cultivation of wisdom. Seeing

[1:05:48] clearly that things are not under your

[1:05:50] control. You're not you're not just in

[1:05:52] charge of the greed, in charge of the

[1:05:54] anger where you say now on, now off.

[1:05:58] And that's far more valuable.

[1:06:06] But they do work together. You can't

[1:06:08] really get to the point of seeing

[1:06:10] clearly if you don't address grief and

[1:06:13] don't address anger. But um but

[1:06:16] ultimately that's the best way to to

[1:06:18] address them is to just face them rather

[1:06:20] than trying to fix them or change them.

[1:06:25] It's like shining a light. All the greed

[1:06:29] is like the stuff that grows in the

[1:06:31] darkness.

[1:06:33] Greed and anger can only grow in

[1:06:35] darkness. They're like mold or fungus.

[1:06:39] When you shine the light in, the

[1:06:42] darkness disappears and the moldy things

[1:06:45] cannot grow.

[1:06:47] They shrivel up and die.

[1:06:54] Thank you, Bente. And when it comes to

[1:06:58] um

[1:07:00] recognizing or being aware of paranoia,

[1:07:05] the best thing to do is to just keep

[1:07:07] noting it as thinking thinking, right?

[1:07:13] >> Well, words like paranoia are a bit

[1:07:16] problematic because they're they're a

[1:07:18] compound.

[1:07:19] >> Mhm. or they're a bit of um

[1:07:23] um

[1:07:26] they're a bit off base from what's

[1:07:28] actually happening. It's much better to

[1:07:29] try and figure out the actual mind

[1:07:32] states and keep your words simple

[1:07:34] because paranoia is kind of a narrative

[1:07:36] kind of but ultimately it's fear, right?

[1:07:40] Paranoia is fear. fear, but you could

[1:07:43] say it's fear plus the thoughts that

[1:07:46] that arise from the fear or the thoughts

[1:07:47] that give rise to the fear or whatever.

[1:07:50] So, you've you've put some stuff

[1:07:52] together and called it paranoia.

[1:07:54] But the truth of it is just fear and

[1:07:56] thoughts. So, no, you shouldn't just

[1:07:58] note thinking cuz paranoia is much more

[1:08:01] than just thinking. Paranoia is fear or

[1:08:04] worry, you could say. If depending on

[1:08:06] what you mean by paranoia, if it's

[1:08:08] worry, you say worried. If it's fear,

[1:08:10] you say fear.

[1:08:15] Thank you. B

[1:08:18] um Ben

[1:08:25] explaining or sharing the story of

[1:08:28] vulnerable Cordinia Conda um uh in his

[1:08:34] previous life of offering the freshest

[1:08:37] the green rice. So I was just thinking

[1:08:39] that in our culture

[1:08:42] almost every household as far as I know

[1:08:46] they would offer the first food that

[1:08:49] they cook in the morning they would

[1:08:51] offer to you know Buddha you know in in

[1:08:54] in a in a token right so the very first

[1:08:57] thing and if we have guests of visitors

[1:09:02] we will never eat by together we will

[1:09:05] offer everything the best of it to the

[1:09:08] gets fast and then whatever is left that

[1:09:10] we will eat. So this is something that a

[1:09:12] lot of people don't understand when I

[1:09:14] moved out of the country. So thank you

[1:09:18] so much. So the question I have is

[1:09:21] Bandandy. So if a meditator is

[1:09:24] constantly wanting to see and attain the

[1:09:28] path knowledge and also regularly

[1:09:31] practices the meditation but once in a

[1:09:34] while it may miss like a different time

[1:09:36] changing or different you know uh

[1:09:40] setting of the time even then it gets so

[1:09:43] agitated because can be in the

[1:09:45] meditation session and is this desire

[1:09:49] so I'm confusing myself is this desire

[1:09:52] or the mental state is purely unh

[1:09:56] wholesome karma or the wanting to see

[1:09:59] this is a strengthening the faith or

[1:10:03] devotion to the Buddha's teaching and

[1:10:06] how good it is. I want it but I can't

[1:10:08] get it. So could you please explain a

[1:10:10] little bit about that band? Thank you.

[1:10:13] >> No, it's still desire. I mean I hear so

[1:10:16] many people try and frame this as being

[1:10:19] a good thing.

[1:10:22] It can be a good thing

[1:10:25] provisionally from on a basic level. But

[1:10:28] the the test you can make is does it

[1:10:30] cause you suffering? Because that's the

[1:10:33] whole problem with desire.

[1:10:35] When you don't get what you want, you

[1:10:37] suffer. So if you desire that for as

[1:10:39] long as you don't get it, you're

[1:10:41] stressed. You're suffering.

[1:10:43] Now that stress can be a catalyst to

[1:10:46] help you change your perspective and and

[1:10:48] learn to let go. So there's lots of unh

[1:10:51] wholesome things can that can funny

[1:10:53] enough can lead you to wholesome things

[1:10:56] but it's still desire. There's no

[1:10:58] question that it's still desire. The

[1:11:00] thing is that that the difference is

[1:11:03] that because you're desiring

[1:11:05] wholesomeness or or or wisdom or so on,

[1:11:08] it's going to impel you to seek out more

[1:11:11] wisdom. And of course once you've got

[1:11:12] that wisdom, that desire disappears.

[1:11:15] But

[1:11:17] theoret

[1:11:20] theoretically

[1:11:22] that no that that desire is not good and

[1:11:25] that's what you'll see if you apply the

[1:11:28] desire to you see to see clearly once

[1:11:31] you see clearly you'll also see that the

[1:11:33] desire to see clearly is also stressful

[1:11:35] and problematic which is why

[1:11:39] on a practical level it's important to

[1:11:42] focus on the experiences rather than the

[1:11:45] benefits of focusing on experiences.

[1:11:49] It's a hard thing to appreciate but

[1:11:51] important because it can and it will uh

[1:11:56] as you undertake practice be be an

[1:11:58] impediment. It will it will get in your

[1:12:00] way

[1:12:02] if you're fixated on results or craving

[1:12:05] for for results.

[1:12:09] It's important to take mahas the

[1:12:10] mahasi's words to heart that the path

[1:12:14] doesn't come out of nowhere. Certainly

[1:12:16] doesn't come about because you want it

[1:12:17] to come about. Comes about through the

[1:12:20] hard work of focusing actually on

[1:12:22] something different than the path

[1:12:24] itself. Focusing on suffering which is

[1:12:28] absolutely not the path, right? But

[1:12:31] focus on suffering until you let go.

[1:12:34] And when you let go, that's the path.

[1:12:42] Thank you, B. Thank you so much.

[1:13:48] Okay, I would like to

[1:13:51] um transition to a question that we have

[1:13:53] on our spreadsheet.

[1:13:56] Bante, the first question that we have

[1:13:58] is

[1:14:00] I am surrounded by noise all day and

[1:14:04] cannot change my environment or wear

[1:14:06] earplugs due to ear infection risks.

[1:14:10] I notice myself hearing or disliking it

[1:14:14] and meditating is feasible but my mind

[1:14:17] constantly wanders to the noise when I

[1:14:19] need fixed focus for studying and

[1:14:22] working.

[1:14:24] Is sound theoretically a hindrance to

[1:14:26] concentration?

[1:14:28] And how can I train my mind to stay on a

[1:14:31] specific object under these conditions?

[1:14:43] Well, mindfulness will help. Mindfulness

[1:14:45] is not just about living with

[1:14:51] bad conditions. Your mind will get

[1:14:53] stronger as a result of mindfulness. But

[1:14:56] it's not categorically going to make you

[1:14:58] better at working. Because

[1:15:01] part of mindfulness,

[1:15:04] part of the benefit of mindfulness is

[1:15:06] that it helps you let go and see the

[1:15:10] futility of of things like work,

[1:15:14] which isn't very helpful, but it's why

[1:15:17] an arand doesn't work and won't work.

[1:15:20] They have no reason to. they'll happily

[1:15:23] and peacefully pass away

[1:15:26] rather than go to work. So

[1:15:31] on a basic level, it it definitely will

[1:15:33] help you to work better.

[1:15:37] Before I became a monk, I was I found

[1:15:39] myself very much able to

[1:15:42] apply mindfulness to things like

[1:15:44] studying and working. I mean,

[1:15:47] I was a very smart student.

[1:15:51] scholastically, good memory, good mental

[1:15:54] capacity, but incredibly distracted. And

[1:15:59] so I dropped out of university. I got

[1:16:01] into a very prestigious program, a very

[1:16:04] elite program. You needed like a 93% and

[1:16:07] lots of extracurriculars to get into.

[1:16:10] And I dropped out. I was actually kind

[1:16:12] of failing. I was not doing very well no

[1:16:14] matter how smart I was because my mind I

[1:16:17] was I was focused on lots of unh

[1:16:20] wholesome things

[1:16:22] and I dropped out. When I went back

[1:16:25] after having practiced mindfulness I got

[1:16:28] only A's mostly A+es. I ended up getting

[1:16:31] and I went back as a monk many years

[1:16:33] later and and ended up getting a very

[1:16:36] prestigious award from the university

[1:16:38] because I got all A+es. It's just the

[1:16:42] the nobody else was able to get those

[1:16:44] sorts of results. And it wasn't just

[1:16:47] because I was intellectually smart. It

[1:16:50] was the ability to focus, which I mean

[1:16:54] it's not unique to me by any means,

[1:17:00] but uh absolutely. I mean, I think

[1:17:02] that's a good example.

[1:17:04] Hope this doesn't sound like boasting

[1:17:06] because it's not really intellect is not

[1:17:09] anything really to boast over but it's

[1:17:11] it's mundane of great use in a mundane

[1:17:16] setting. So you should be encouraged

[1:17:18] that mindfulness will help you focus

[1:17:21] better.

[1:17:23] Uh it can take time and certainly is

[1:17:26] best accomplished through intensive

[1:17:29] practice. So, if you're just practicing

[1:17:31] a little bit, um, you're going to

[1:17:33] experience a lot of frustration,

[1:17:36] which is actually okay because it's

[1:17:39] important to appreciate how your

[1:17:44] attachments make lead to frustration,

[1:17:48] lead you to react to things.

[1:17:51] uh facing the frustration is an

[1:17:53] important part of progress

[1:17:59] but it will be quite frustrating. So you

[1:18:01] have to be patient and you have to

[1:18:03] develop the patience to face things that

[1:18:06] are uncomfortable.

[1:18:10] So the

[1:18:15] um the observation that you can't

[1:18:18] control your mind that your mind wanders

[1:18:21] so it's impermanent but it doesn't it

[1:18:23] doesn't stay with what you want it to so

[1:18:25] it's unsatisfying

[1:18:27] and that you can't control it so it's

[1:18:29] not self this is very valuable what it

[1:18:33] does is

[1:18:36] you can think of there being two paths

[1:18:39] one path path is the path of controlling

[1:18:41] the mind, forcing the mind, training the

[1:18:45] mind to do what you want.

[1:18:48] This is the artificial path.

[1:18:50] This path is wrought with difficult,

[1:18:53] fraught with danger,

[1:18:56] stress

[1:18:57] and uh problems.

[1:19:00] It eventually leads to even sickness.

[1:19:03] You know this is why think of the people

[1:19:05] who work hard and get headaches and

[1:19:07] ulcers

[1:19:09] and heart high blood pressure

[1:19:13] and die early because of all the stress

[1:19:16] but also live very painful uncomfortable

[1:19:18] unpleasant lives. This is the one path.

[1:19:21] The other path is the path of allowing

[1:19:24] the mind to organize naturally.

[1:19:28] it it isn't necessarily as immediately

[1:19:32] useful as forcing the mind to do what

[1:19:35] you want but in the long term it makes

[1:19:38] the mind much stronger

[1:19:41] and with dedication makes the mind

[1:19:43] incredibly powerful. When you think of

[1:19:45] the Buddha he could he could direct his

[1:19:48] mind to anything and immediately have

[1:19:50] the right answer to any question he

[1:19:52] might pose. This would call he was

[1:19:55] omnisient.

[1:19:57] Didn't mean he knew everything all at

[1:19:58] once but anything he he sent his mind

[1:20:00] towards his mind was so powerful that he

[1:20:04] was able to immediately understand any

[1:20:07] topic.

[1:20:11] It's not by controlling the mind. It's

[1:20:14] by

[1:20:15] um aligning yourself with reality. So

[1:20:18] you understand

[1:20:21] the nature of things.

[1:20:24] And that understanding creates strength,

[1:20:26] creates clarity.

[1:20:31] Like if you consider when when your mind

[1:20:34] gets distracted, you could say you have

[1:20:36] two choices. Maybe you have more, but

[1:20:38] let's say there are two choices. One,

[1:20:39] you can get upset about it

[1:20:42] and and stressed about it. Or two, not

[1:20:48] two, you are at peace with that.

[1:20:52] So when you're stressed about it, what

[1:20:53] happens is you get angry, you get upset,

[1:20:55] and you

[1:20:57] u you you put roadblocks in your way.

[1:21:00] Your mind becomes weak, your mind

[1:21:01] becomes uh chaotic, your mind becomes

[1:21:04] confused.

[1:21:07] And the other way is if you don't get

[1:21:09] upset about it, then you're you you're

[1:21:11] still distracted,

[1:21:13] but you it's like you coast over it and

[1:21:17] you wait patiently for it to pass

[1:21:18] because either way it will pass. And

[1:21:21] then when the distraction passes, you

[1:21:23] step in naturally and you continue doing

[1:21:27] what you were going to do. Both ways,

[1:21:29] you really can't just force your mind to

[1:21:32] always do what you want.

[1:21:34] There's temporary benefit to forcing

[1:21:37] your mind to right now do what you want.

[1:21:39] And you can see in the short term maybe

[1:21:41] it seems to work a little bit, but the

[1:21:44] long term it just creates sickness. But

[1:21:47] the difference is night and day. If you

[1:21:49] allow it to naturally, you just don't

[1:21:52] feed the distraction and wait for it to

[1:21:54] to pass,

[1:21:56] you're attenuating that that habit and

[1:22:00] you're you're not creating new habits of

[1:22:02] of anger and frustration and and

[1:22:05] control.

[1:22:07] And so

[1:22:10] you you make the most of the imperfect

[1:22:14] mind

[1:22:16] and you improve the imperfect mind by

[1:22:19] not

[1:22:20] imposing stressful stressful conditions

[1:22:23] on it.

[1:22:25] I mean, it's just trying to explain what

[1:22:26] the mechanics of why it works and why

[1:22:28] you should believe it works because

[1:22:30] well, it does. If you allow the mind,

[1:22:34] if you face the mind without trying to

[1:22:37] control it, you'll have much better

[1:22:39] results than trying to force the mind to

[1:22:41] behave.

[1:22:47] They didn't actually talk about sound at

[1:22:48] all, did I? Your question was

[1:22:50] specifically about sound.

[1:22:57] Yes, in from a worldly perspective,

[1:22:59] there's many things. You can you can

[1:23:02] know this from the the instructions on

[1:23:04] samata practice. Sam means meditation

[1:23:07] for the purpose of tranquilizing the

[1:23:09] mind.

[1:23:11] Sam meditation is

[1:23:15] um challenging in that it requires ideal

[1:23:19] conditions.

[1:23:20] Ideally, it requires ideal conditions to

[1:23:23] cultivate.

[1:23:25] Means if you want your mind to be

[1:23:29] at its calmst, you need a calm

[1:23:33] environment. Right? With with

[1:23:35] mindfulness, you don't require that.

[1:23:38] And so there are many things that are

[1:23:40] going to make it harder to

[1:23:44] do mundane find mundane success. Let's

[1:23:47] put it that way.

[1:23:48] And so yes, absolutely.

[1:23:51] It's where the dharma and and and your

[1:23:54] worldly needs diverge.

[1:23:57] In order to make a living, there are

[1:23:59] many things you have to do that are not

[1:24:03] conducive to the cultivation of

[1:24:06] the path of practice leading to

[1:24:08] enlightenment. It doesn't mean you have

[1:24:09] to or ever should be immoral,

[1:24:12] per se, but it's going to be

[1:24:14] distracting. it's going to be stressful,

[1:24:18] stress inducing and so on. So, so the

[1:24:22] point being that there are sometimes

[1:24:24] things that you have to do that make it

[1:24:26] harder for you to practice

[1:24:29] or go contrary to what you would do if

[1:24:31] you were trying to cultivate the

[1:24:33] Buddhist teaching like enforce

[1:24:38] um an environment that has less sound.

[1:24:42] It shouldn't be a big hindrance. And and

[1:24:44] I would say the bigger problem we're

[1:24:45] having is that you don't like it and

[1:24:46] that you're you're stressed about the

[1:24:48] fact that you can't control your mind

[1:24:50] and so on. That's far more about far

[1:24:52] more dangerous and far more important.

[1:24:56] But

[1:24:58] it is useful to acknowledge that for

[1:25:00] worldly endeavors there are other there

[1:25:03] are other more concrete needs that you

[1:25:06] might have. You know

[1:25:10] even for the cultivation of samata you

[1:25:12] require quiet and and peace you know. So

[1:25:14] for doing worldly affairs

[1:25:18] you need some pretty specific

[1:25:20] circumstances to have the best results

[1:25:24] in a worldly sphere to so meaning it can

[1:25:27] be

[1:25:29] valid to try and create a situation that

[1:25:32] is more conducive for work. Right?

[1:25:36] That's the idea.

[1:25:39] However, if you can't if you can't

[1:25:43] find such ideal s conditions,

[1:25:47] mindfulness can can help you make the

[1:25:49] best of it.

[1:25:51] It's still very valuable for mundane

[1:25:55] activities. Please.

[1:26:26] Fante, here is the next question.

[1:26:31] What is the best advice you can give as

[1:26:34] to how we must live our lives?

[1:26:43] the very best advice.

[1:26:46] It's the advice we give to everyone, but

[1:26:48] it really is and it's important to

[1:26:50] impress upon you that this is the very

[1:26:52] best advice for living your life is the

[1:26:54] cultivation of mindfulness.

[1:26:57] It is absolutely

[1:26:59] unequivocably

[1:27:02] the best advice you can give. There's

[1:27:05] other things you can say because in

[1:27:07] order to practice mindfulness you need

[1:27:08] some prerequisites. So on top of that as

[1:27:12] an addition keep the five precepts

[1:27:16] um and cultivate right view means try to

[1:27:20] understand why mindfulness is useful.

[1:27:24] Why are we practicing mindfulness

[1:27:28] and what does it mean to practice

[1:27:29] mindfulness?

[1:27:33] You have those things as your very base.

[1:27:35] The only thing you really have to do is

[1:27:37] cultivate mindfulness.

[1:27:41] It's absolutely the best thing you can

[1:27:42] do.

[1:27:44] It is the best advice anyone could give

[1:27:47] to anyone.

[1:27:49] Anyone could give to anyone. Doesn't

[1:27:50] matter your situation.

[1:27:55] I suppose that's not quite fair because

[1:27:59] sometimes you need to give more

[1:28:00] practical advice like uh run away from

[1:28:02] the tiger or something like that.

[1:28:07] Sometimes there are other more practical

[1:28:09] concerns, eat food, find shelter, these

[1:28:13] sorts of things

[1:28:15] depending on your circumstance. But none

[1:28:18] of that's really

[1:28:20] deep or deeply impactful advice.

[1:28:23] Ultimately,

[1:28:28] it doesn't matter who you are. The best

[1:28:29] thing you can do is always going to be

[1:28:32] the cultivation of mindfulness.

[1:28:58] Bante, here is the next question.

[1:29:02] When we sit quietly and watch thoughts

[1:29:05] and sensations arise and pass, we may

[1:29:08] notice that nothing stays fixed. How

[1:29:11] does this experience of change shape the

[1:29:14] way you understand yourself?

[1:29:26] Well, that means you

[1:29:29] have no reason to cling to those things.

[1:29:38] And it gives up the it helps you give up

[1:29:42] the idea that

[1:29:45] the idea of yourself in the first place.

[1:29:49] You don't have any sense of yourself.

[1:29:52] When you see that experiences

[1:29:59] arise and cease,

[1:30:02] reality is just experiences that arise

[1:30:04] and cease. So when you see that

[1:30:07] your your sense of self is becomes

[1:30:10] meaningless.

[1:30:31] Here's

[1:30:46] the next question. Bante,

[1:30:49] how to cope with disillusionment after

[1:30:53] focusing on suffering?

[1:31:01] Well, disillusionment is describing a

[1:31:04] state that is also

[1:31:09] also an experience that we could call

[1:31:11] duka. It's not exactly suffering. But if

[1:31:16] you if you have dis disillusionment

[1:31:18] after focusing on suffering,

[1:31:21] you're maybe misunderstanding what is

[1:31:23] meant by suffering or or duka because

[1:31:26] happy feelings are also duka or what we

[1:31:29] might call suffering. But all that means

[1:31:30] is they're also not worth clinging to.

[1:31:33] Good things are not worth clinging to.

[1:31:34] Bad things are not worth clinging to.

[1:31:36] Why? Because they're impermanent.

[1:31:39] Disillusionment is also impermanent. So

[1:31:42] also not worth clinging to. So you don't

[1:31:45] cope with it. You face it. You see it

[1:31:47] clearly. You watch it come and go.

[1:31:51] See, because this is kind of what you

[1:31:53] miss when you say this sort of thing or

[1:31:55] ask this sort of question.

[1:31:58] And of attacking you. This is a common

[1:32:01] this is the problem is that you take it

[1:32:04] to have some kind of of significance

[1:32:08] and permanence to it. like this is an a

[1:32:11] problem. It's not a problem. It's an

[1:32:13] experience that has arisen and it's an

[1:32:16] experience that will pass away. So you

[1:32:18] reframe it. You see the disillusionment

[1:32:21] not as something that you have to deal

[1:32:22] with. Not I am disillusioned.

[1:32:25] It's an experience. It arose and it will

[1:32:28] cease. And you teach yourself that. You

[1:32:31] look at it in a new way that this is a

[1:32:33] thing that arose and a thing that will

[1:32:36] cease.

[1:32:38] That's it. That's actually all that's

[1:32:39] significant there. You don't have to

[1:32:41] cope with it. It's not even something

[1:32:44] you need to cope with. You just face it,

[1:32:46] watch it arise and cease. And that's it.

[1:32:49] It didn't have any significance or

[1:32:51] meaning.

[1:32:52] The significance is in that it has no

[1:32:55] significance or meaning. It arises and

[1:32:57] ceases.

[1:33:02] It's also not worth clinging to.

[1:33:33] Monte, here's the next question that we

[1:33:35] have.

[1:33:38] What is your advice for noticing

[1:33:41] coincidences between the external world

[1:33:44] and thoughts? Should I note knowing? If

[1:33:48] it is subtle, should we note it and let

[1:33:51] it pass?

[1:33:57] Yes, just note it and let it pass. And

[1:34:00] there are so there's two things that can

[1:34:02] go on. One is called confirmation bias.

[1:34:07] There's a there's a countless number of

[1:34:09] things or hard to count number of things

[1:34:12] that occur in one day.

[1:34:16] And if there's no coincidence,

[1:34:19] we don't pay any special attention,

[1:34:22] right? But if there is a coincidence, we

[1:34:24] space pay special attention. So

[1:34:26] statistically speaking, it's it would be

[1:34:29] remarkable if it didn't happen where

[1:34:31] something coincidental occurred. The

[1:34:34] other thing is some people actually do

[1:34:35] have premonition. That is certainly

[1:34:37] possible. It's quite remarkable how it

[1:34:40] happens where you have a vision of

[1:34:41] something and then you actually see it

[1:34:43] happen. This is this is possible

[1:34:47] either. But either way, there's no

[1:34:50] significance in terms of finding freedom

[1:34:53] from suffering.

[1:34:56] It's a neat trick and in a worldly

[1:35:01] context, it can be

[1:35:04] valuable, but not in a spiritual

[1:35:06] context. It has no benefit in a

[1:35:09] spiritual realm.

[1:35:12] Even having such premonitions, it's just

[1:35:14] mundane

[1:35:16] knowledge.

[1:35:58] here's the next question. Fante,

[1:36:02] what is your advice for people who make

[1:36:04] a living off of trying to induce sensual

[1:36:08] pleasures in others like visual artists,

[1:36:11] musicians, dancers, cosplayers, and

[1:36:15] entertainers?

[1:36:25] Well, advice is advice is to try and do

[1:36:28] that which

[1:36:30] um

[1:36:32] that which is beneficial to people, that

[1:36:35] which is in line with the dharma. You

[1:36:38] can tell stories that are in line with

[1:36:40] the dharma. You can reenact stories that

[1:36:42] are in line with the dharma.

[1:36:44] And so that's not bad. That's good.

[1:36:49] There's uh quite recently I just saw

[1:36:51] that

[1:36:53] um

[1:36:56] who was the guy the guy who played the

[1:36:58] captain of the on this uh

[1:37:03] Star Trek

[1:37:06] I don't remember his name sir something

[1:37:09] or other

[1:37:11] just died and it made me remember like I

[1:37:14] don't really remember But

[1:37:18] when watching those shows, there was

[1:37:20] some

[1:37:21] some potential lessons. So, I mean, most

[1:37:24] of it was shooting aliens and stuff, but

[1:37:29] um there there were philosophical

[1:37:32] questions, you know, and you could argue

[1:37:34] that there's some benefit. I don't know

[1:37:35] that there really was, but

[1:37:38] it's the kind of thing where you could

[1:37:40] think that

[1:37:43] there is there is benefit to culture

[1:37:48] if culture is used appropriately.

[1:37:52] I think and I was just thinking today

[1:37:54] actually that

[1:37:57] probably a lot of the violence on in

[1:38:00] media

[1:38:02] doesn't necessarily make people more

[1:38:04] violent. Doesn't necessarily make

[1:38:06] everyone more violent, but it certainly

[1:38:09] desensitizes us to violent.

[1:38:17] So there's certainly I I would say media

[1:38:20] has played and like entertainment media

[1:38:24] has played a part in the degradation of

[1:38:28] human society

[1:38:30] and if used correctly it can also play a

[1:38:32] part in the enlightenment human society.

[1:38:38] Obviously music by its very nature

[1:38:44] doesn't do that and the music itself

[1:38:46] creates craving and attachment and

[1:38:48] liking and that's bad. It's just not

[1:38:53] terribly bad. It's not going to lead you

[1:38:55] to hell or something. But it becomes an

[1:38:57] impediment on the spiritual path. It

[1:38:59] becomes an impediment for a new

[1:39:01] meditator when they hear the songs

[1:39:03] playing again and again in their head.

[1:39:09] but can also be a good lesson.

[1:39:16] So

[1:39:17] I think you can find ways to entertain

[1:39:22] and provide a spiritual lesson. Like a

[1:39:25] lot of the jatikas are good examples of

[1:39:27] this.

[1:39:29] Stories are often very entertaining,

[1:39:32] but if the right stories are told, they

[1:39:35] can also be instructive.

[1:39:41] So, so I think there is there's a

[1:39:44] conversation that can be had for

[1:39:46] wholesome

[1:39:48] wholesome media,

[1:39:50] wholesome art,

[1:39:53] and it may be ultimately problematic,

[1:39:58] but um practically can be quite helpful.

[1:40:04] would say and I I would say it's

[1:40:06] important that we have standards for

[1:40:09] art. We that people have standards for

[1:40:11] art. If you're going to produce art and

[1:40:13] I think it's inevitable. I don't think

[1:40:15] society ever goes without music or art

[1:40:18] or these sorts of things. But if you're

[1:40:20] going to produce it, there should be

[1:40:22] standards, right? And that's the

[1:40:24] problem. That's the bigger problem that

[1:40:27] we don't have standards and people are

[1:40:29] constantly trying to push the envelope.

[1:40:33] So m music becomes

[1:40:36] more and more deeply in uh pushing the

[1:40:40] limit of what is acceptable getting into

[1:40:43] themes of of

[1:40:47] well you know the themes bad themes

[1:40:49] violence

[1:40:51] abuse

[1:40:53] no drugs

[1:40:58] and gives the wrong message and and

[1:41:01] absolutely

[1:41:03] provides the culture, right? Because

[1:41:05] this is what we're talking about.

[1:41:06] Culture is such an important part of

[1:41:08] society. It gives you the culture that

[1:41:11] leads you to well to take up drugs and

[1:41:14] alcohol, to be abusive, to be violent.

[1:41:18] There's no question that that

[1:41:21] media does

[1:41:25] incite violence or can encourage

[1:41:28] violence and encourage

[1:41:31] substance abuse.

[1:41:35] It creates a philosophy. It creates a a

[1:41:39] worldview. It it promotes worldview.

[1:41:42] And to ignore this as Buddhists would be

[1:41:44] would be irresponsible.

[1:41:47] And I think it's worth acknowledging

[1:41:48] that it's an inevitable part of society.

[1:41:51] So those who undertake to engage in it

[1:41:54] should have standards.

[1:41:58] And it's a it's a problem because there

[1:42:00] are no standards. And so where do you go

[1:42:02] to find culture that is

[1:42:05] beneficial?

[1:42:07] Buddhist Buddhist countries are are are

[1:42:09] in luck because

[1:42:12] like in in Buddhist in terabatana

[1:42:14] Buddhist countries you'll often find one

[1:42:16] of the prime sources of entertainment is

[1:42:18] listening to the jatikas. People will

[1:42:21] come to hear this sort of melodic

[1:42:24] retelling of the jatikas.

[1:42:29] It's very I mean it's obviously not what

[1:42:31] the teenagers are interested in in the

[1:42:33] cities but in the countryside

[1:42:37] it has in history been a big thing

[1:42:43] and that's the Buddhist countries

[1:42:44] they're fine with with this. The monks

[1:42:47] are

[1:42:48] mostly fine with it as well allowing

[1:42:51] people to have something entertaining

[1:42:54] that is also instructive.

[1:42:58] So just food for thought. I mean at its

[1:43:01] core

[1:43:02] sensual pleasure is sensual pleasure and

[1:43:05] it's it's a hindrance. It's an

[1:43:06] impediment.

[1:43:08] But

[1:43:10] it's not it's not something that takes

[1:43:12] you away from the path. It's just

[1:43:14] something that makes you follow the path

[1:43:18] more slowly.

[1:43:22] Evil killing and stealing and so on.

[1:43:25] That's the sort of thing that takes you

[1:43:26] away from the path.

[1:43:57] Here

[1:44:07] is the next question that we have.

[1:44:13] Ana panasati is used in both samata and

[1:44:18] whipasana.

[1:44:20] Why does one method lead to onepointed

[1:44:22] focus and calmness while the other

[1:44:25] doesn't?

[1:44:30] But if you focus on the breath as a

[1:44:32] concept, I mean

[1:44:34] generally speaking, if you're focused on

[1:44:36] the breath as a concept, then it will

[1:44:38] only lead to calm.

[1:44:41] So for example, if you're following the

[1:44:42] breath in

[1:44:47] and you think of the breath as something

[1:44:49] coming in,

[1:44:51] that's more on the side of conceptual.

[1:44:55] If you count the breaths, which is a

[1:44:57] common thing, like in one, out one, in

[1:44:59] two, out two, that's much more

[1:45:02] conceptual.

[1:45:07] But if you focus on the physical

[1:45:10] sensations,

[1:45:12] then it's ultimate reality.

[1:45:15] And so it can't lead to onepointedness

[1:45:17] because ultimate reality is impermanent,

[1:45:19] unsatisfying, uncontrollable, meaning

[1:45:22] it's chaotic. It arises, it ceases.

[1:45:25] There's no onepointedness. There's

[1:45:26] onepointedness, but it's not the kind of

[1:45:29] onepointedness that stays with a single

[1:45:32] object moment after moment after moment.

[1:45:35] Because real objects don't exist moment

[1:45:38] after moment after moment. Only

[1:45:39] conceptual objects exist moment after

[1:45:41] moment after moment. So even the breath

[1:45:44] is not a proper object for calming the

[1:45:47] mind. You have to become you have to

[1:45:49] enter into conceptual or

[1:45:52] conceptualization of breath that is

[1:45:54] continuous that allows you this

[1:45:57] continuity of of absorption.

[1:46:37] Monte, here is the next question that we

[1:46:39] have.

[1:46:42] What happens to people who kill for a

[1:46:44] living like killing livestock? Does the

[1:46:48] karma lead to the hell realm or what are

[1:46:51] the consequences?

[1:46:57] By and large,

[1:47:00] it does lead to the hell roomm.

[1:47:03] Killing is definitely something that is

[1:47:06] propensity to lead to the hell room.

[1:47:08] It's not sure. Nothing is sure.

[1:47:12] I mean, it's complicated. Let's put it

[1:47:13] that way.

[1:47:15] But yeah, there's there's no doubt that

[1:47:19] that's what you should expect that

[1:47:21] killing leads to hell.

[1:47:24] I mean, killing doesn't, but the anger

[1:47:26] involved, the cruelty, the mean the

[1:47:29] meanness of mind, the the the

[1:47:31] development of such awful, horrible mind

[1:47:34] states is what leads to hell.

[1:47:38] If it doesn't lead to hell, if somehow

[1:47:41] the person reforms, let's say, or gives

[1:47:45] it up and is able to

[1:47:48] protect themselves, their minds enough

[1:47:50] so that they aren't consumed by it when

[1:47:52] they die, they'll be born. They'll be

[1:47:54] born with a short life. They'll have a

[1:47:56] short lifespan. And after they come back

[1:47:59] from hell, if they do go to hell,

[1:48:00] they'll also be reborn with a short

[1:48:02] lifespan. This is why people die early.

[1:48:05] killing is the main reason for that. I

[1:48:09] of course it's complicated again but

[1:48:12] generally speaking that's the result of

[1:48:16] killing

[1:48:19] just like the result of torturing. If

[1:48:21] you hurt other beings without killing

[1:48:23] them it leads to sickness

[1:48:29] in future existence.

[1:49:17] Ante, here is the next question.

[1:49:22] There is the famous story of the monk

[1:49:24] who accumulated no bad karma when he

[1:49:28] practiced walking meditation in the dark

[1:49:31] and ended up stepping on and killing

[1:49:34] bugs. Is it because there was no

[1:49:36] valition on his part? Could the same be

[1:49:39] said of someone who gets angry without

[1:49:43] the valition to hurt? Someone [snorts]

[1:49:45] who just quote unquote lost it? I am

[1:49:49] asking about myself.

[1:49:54] It's not it's not so much the valition

[1:49:58] as it is the state of mind. Anger is

[1:50:00] already bad karma. You can't get away

[1:50:03] from it.

[1:50:06] So I mean that's that's basically the

[1:50:08] answer to your question.

[1:50:12] But um

[1:50:16] what that means is that karma is not one

[1:50:19] specific act. It's every moment.

[1:50:22] So every moment of anger or whatever is

[1:50:26] karmically has karmic potential.

[1:50:29] And so in the in the process of hurting

[1:50:32] or killing someone,

[1:50:34] there's many mind states.

[1:50:38] And

[1:50:42] some of them are going to be the

[1:50:43] intention to hurt others.

[1:50:46] But the importance is that there is

[1:50:48] anger

[1:50:49] and without that anger you wouldn't hurt

[1:50:52] or kill. Of course

[1:50:57] there is room for the fact that at some

[1:51:01] point the anger might cause you to

[1:51:06] unintentionally

[1:51:08] do or do do things or even say things.

[1:51:12] Let's say like it might cause blurting

[1:51:15] out of things that you didn't even mean

[1:51:17] to say.

[1:51:21] It can cause you to

[1:51:24] react violently without really realizing

[1:51:27] what you're doing. So there is a

[1:51:30] mitigating factor in in in the sense

[1:51:32] that you're not responsible for killing

[1:51:35] someone karmically. Let's say

[1:51:39] if you didn't mean to. You're just

[1:51:41] flailing blindly with anger. Like

[1:51:43] suppose you're angry and someone grabs

[1:51:45] your shoulder and you just

[1:51:47] flail at them and kill them. Let's say

[1:51:50] well it was never your intention to kill

[1:51:52] them. You never give rise to such an

[1:51:54] intention.

[1:51:56] But you but it's mitigating. It doesn't

[1:51:58] say you're innocent. It says you're

[1:52:00] really only

[1:52:02] culpable for the anger which is still a

[1:52:04] big deal.

[1:52:06] You're also culpable for the intention

[1:52:09] to flail,

[1:52:11] maybe to hurt, to hit, you know, there's

[1:52:14] still that you don't get away from that.

[1:52:21] So, but it's mitigating. It's often the

[1:52:24] results are often

[1:52:26] or can be uh beyond the culpability

[1:52:31] because they weren't results what you

[1:52:33] intended.

[1:52:44] But ultimately it's not the it's not the

[1:52:46] acts that are the karma. The karma is

[1:52:48] the state of mind,

[1:52:50] the inclination of mind at every moment.

[1:52:55] Which is why mindfulness is so important

[1:52:56] and so valuable because it cleanses the

[1:52:59] moments.

[1:53:39] Here's the next question.

[1:53:42] I can't place the focus on the object of

[1:53:45] experience when noting. When I note

[1:53:48] rising, my lips move and my attention

[1:53:52] moves toward the thought of or mental

[1:53:55] sound of rising. Any advice?

[1:54:01] Well, you should train yourself not to

[1:54:03] move your lips. It's not You're not

[1:54:04] trying to say anything out loud.

[1:54:07] You're just giving a name to the

[1:54:08] experience. It's a means of focusing

[1:54:11] your attention on the experience. That's

[1:54:13] all. That can take practice, but

[1:54:16] in the meantime, you can note the the

[1:54:19] hearing or the feeling or whatever, but

[1:54:22] you should be training not to do that.

[1:54:23] It's much simpler.

[1:54:26] You're just reminding yourself this is

[1:54:30] rising.

[1:55:14] Okay, here is the next question.

[1:55:18] If my anger toward a specific person is

[1:55:22] constantly making me try to torture or

[1:55:25] kill someone mentally, does it have any

[1:55:29] karmic consequences?

[1:55:32] Yes, it does.

[1:55:34] It's practically speaking it's called

[1:55:37] manama.

[1:55:39] So it's mental karma.

[1:55:42] But the technically on an ultimate level

[1:55:45] all karma is just the mental aspect.

[1:55:50] But you can argue that it's not as

[1:55:52] potent if it doesn't have a physical or

[1:55:54] verbal component. You don't actually do

[1:55:56] or say anything. So it's less harmful,

[1:55:59] less potent, but it's still Yeah. still

[1:56:01] bad.

[1:56:06] But again, mindfulness kind of changes

[1:56:08] your perspective on greed and anger.

[1:56:10] It's not the most important thing. Most

[1:56:13] important is the delusion,

[1:56:15] your lack of clarity about the anger. So

[1:56:18] try and face the anger and be mindful of

[1:56:20] it without trying to change it.

[1:56:24] And you'll learn a lot. You'll change

[1:56:27] your perspective and you'll give up the

[1:56:29] delusion that gives rise to the thought

[1:56:31] that anger is somehow valuable and that

[1:56:34] triggers the anger.

[1:57:10] The next question is

[1:57:13] what karma does it produce to vote or to

[1:57:17] choose not to vote?

[1:57:26] So again, karma is not actions. Karma is

[1:57:29] this inclination of mind

[1:57:32] when you do something or even when you

[1:57:34] don't do something.

[1:57:36] It's just the inclination of the mind.

[1:57:39] So if you're doing it with greed, with

[1:57:41] anger, with delusion, that's a bad

[1:57:43] karma.

[1:57:47] You're free from those things. Then

[1:57:53] well if you're doing something out of

[1:57:54] wisdom and mindfulness and good

[1:57:56] qualities then it's good karma,

[1:57:59] compassion, kindness.

[1:58:07] It's hard to navigate the world

[1:58:12] under those sorts of guidelines.

[1:58:17] But that's the way of Buddhism. Buddhism

[1:58:19] is hard. Buddhism is a challenge. And

[1:58:22] that's because training is a challenge.

[1:58:25] Training has to be challenging or else

[1:58:27] there's no training accomplished.

[1:58:31] As Buddhists, we should never be afraid

[1:58:32] of things because they're difficult.

[1:58:38] So there's no there's no injunction that

[1:58:41] you shouldn't vote or even that you

[1:58:43] should vote. But when you do things, you

[1:58:46] should have clarity of mind and do them

[1:58:48] with for the right reason.

[1:58:51] Voting for the right reason. Voting for

[1:58:53] the right people.

[1:58:59] I see the way it goes is and this is an

[1:59:02] argument that could be made. An argument

[1:59:05] could be made for the importance of

[1:59:08] voting for lay people, lay Buddhists.

[1:59:12] And the argument goes like this that

[1:59:16] you are engaged in society. You have a

[1:59:19] say in society. You have a vested

[1:59:22] interest in society.

[1:59:24] And so at the moment of deciding not to

[1:59:26] vote,

[1:59:29] you very well may be doing that out of

[1:59:32] some ignorance or delusion. Delusion

[1:59:35] could be arrogance, could be pride. I'm

[1:59:38] a Buddhist. I don't vote. Can be pride,

[1:59:40] right?

[1:59:42] Where if you were more mindful, you

[1:59:44] might see might see that in your

[1:59:47] particular situation, voting is an

[1:59:49] important part of your relationship with

[1:59:52] society.

[1:59:53] just an example. I'm not saying that's

[1:59:55] necessarily true and not of course

[1:59:58] faulting people who decide not to vote.

[1:59:59] It really depends on your situation. But

[2:00:04] I think there's an argument can be made

[2:00:06] that voting is reasonable

[2:00:10] and that the reasons why

[2:00:13] some people choose not to vote is out of

[2:00:16] delusion. So it's bad karma might be in

[2:00:20] this way like pride or conceit or

[2:00:23] arrogance or that sort of

[2:00:46] Bante, we've now hit the end of our

[2:00:48] second hour and we've answered all the

[2:00:51] first tier questions. Thank you so much

[2:00:54] for your time today.

[2:01:09] It's a big long one. No.

[2:01:17] Yes. We just figured it was added after

[2:01:19] the Q time. So

[2:01:39] yeah, I'm not really going to I think

[2:01:41] I'm not going to answer the question. I

[2:01:43] would say that you should really pick

[2:01:45] one or the other because they're

[2:01:46] different approaches.

[2:01:48] So rather than trying to integrate one

[2:01:50] with the other,

[2:01:53] um what you're talking about is just a

[2:01:55] part of what we teach. It's not the

[2:01:58] essence. And so

[2:02:01] rather than picking and choosing and

[2:02:03] creating some Frankenstein meditation,

[2:02:06] you're much better served by

[2:02:09] focusing on a single tradition and and

[2:02:11] following what they do. If you're

[2:02:12] interested in what we do, I would really

[2:02:14] recommend just sticking to the way that

[2:02:17] we practice and giving it a chance

[2:02:22] uh in its entirety.

[2:02:31] Monte, if you're willing, would you like

[2:02:33] to hear two remaining tier 2 questions

[2:02:36] that we had on the spreadsheet?

[2:03:15] Looks like there's been some technical

[2:03:17] difficulty

[2:03:22] issue.

[2:03:24] Just give us a moment.

[2:03:37] Looks like our Discord something

[2:03:40] happened on Discord side where the

[2:03:43] server or the voice channel crashed.

[2:04:52] Okay, we are sorry everyone. It looks

[2:04:55] like uh something

[2:04:58] uh like an outage happened on Discord

[2:05:01] side and we're not able to get anyone

[2:05:03] else's voices back up. So, we will

[2:05:06] conclude our session there.

[2:05:09] Thank you so much everyone for attending

[2:05:11] today and asking your questions and

[2:05:14] being with us for our reading and for

[2:05:17] our Q&A.

YB
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It is the discourse the Buddha is traditionally said to have given first, to five ascetics, and it is often titled 'Discourse on Setting the Wheel of Dhamma in Motion.' In the Mahasi Sayadaw commentary studied in this online group, it is read as a foundational teaching on the Middle Way and the Four Noble Truths. The session treats it as a close reading where grammar and practice both matter.
Kondañña, according to the speaker, was one of the court astrologers who predicted at the Bodhisatta's birth that the child would become a Buddha, holding up a single finger. He later followed the Buddha with four astrologers' sons and became the first of the five ascetics to attain stream-entry. The speaker describes him as the oldest of the five.
The Mahasi text says it happened while the discourse was being expounded or having been expounded, and the grammatical tense allows both readings. Mahasi chose the rendering 'having been expounded,' while a different commentary preferred a past form closer to 'after being expounded.' The speaker explains that the ambiguity is itself worth studying.
According to the reading in the session, the truth of suffering is identified with the five aggregates of clinging. The commentary suggests Kondañña may have contemplated these aggregates and developed insight into their arising and ceasing. The practice emphasis is on observing experience clearly rather than clinging to it.
In the live Q&A, the speaker says that trying to push difficulties away creates a lot of stress, and that the better approach is to face them and notice them clearly. He distinguishes between conceptual labels and the feeling associated with an experience, and says the feeling is where practice works. This follows the commentary's emphasis on seeing arising and ceasing.
The speaker explains that the recitation is an ancient tradition to get into the right mindset, strengthen resolve, and remind participants of the goodness they are doing. Refuge means accepting the Buddha, his teachings, and his enlightened disciples as guides. The five precepts train abstention from killing, stealing, sexual misconduct, lying, and intoxicants.
The text used in this study group is available online at static.sirimangalo.org, as linked in the session's description. Reading it slowly, two paragraphs at a time with pauses for reflection, mirrors the group's method. The translation notes, especially on verb tense, are worth close attention.

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