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Inspiration

How to Practice Mindfulness of the Five Hindrances

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Sravasti Abbey
Oct 17, 2026
8 min read
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In a recorded teaching from Sravasti Abbey dated October 16, 2026, Venerable Thubten Chodron returns to the fourth of the four establishments of mindfulness, mindfulness of phenomena, and begins with the five hindrances that cloud a meditator's mind. Working from Following in the Buddha's Footsteps, the fourth volume of the Library of Wisdom and Compassion that she co-authored with His Holiness the Dalai Lama, she presents the hindrances as habits to be watched as they arise, examined, and understood. The talk is part meditation instruction and part argument about self-criticism: the practice, she says, only works when the practitioner stops demanding results by a deadline.

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What does a Buddhist teaching sound like before it begins?

The session opens the way many Tibetan Buddhist teachings do, with chanting rather than a lecture. Before any talk about the mind, the room recites a set of verses. The students are asked to visualize a merit field, a gathering of the teachers and holy beings, surrounded by all sentient beings, and to lead those beings in taking refuge and generating bodhicitta, the aspiration to awaken for the benefit of all. The verses are sung slowly. One stanza offers the ground "anointed with perfume, flowers strewn," imagined as a Buddha land, and asks that all beings "enjoy this pure land." Another refrain repeats until the room seems to breathe with it: "I take refuge until I have awakened in the Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha."

For anyone who has never sat through this kind of opening, it can seem like a preamble to get through. Chodron treats it as the substance of the practice. The motivation set at the start, she says, shapes everything that follows, and listeners should not treat the teaching as a private tool for calming their own minds.

Who protects the Dharma, and why does the teaching begin there?

Before the hindrances come up, Chodron spends several minutes on the Dharma protectors of the Abbey, a recitation the community performs three times in the evening chanting. She divides the protectors into three groups, each one a different kind of responsibility.

"The first time we're paying homage to the transcendental Dharma protectors, those who are Aryas, who have realizations of the Dharma, and who are fully capable of protecting the teachings. And the teachings need to be protected from our own defilements, our own afflictions, and they need to be protected from external hindrances, war, for example, bigotry." (Thubten Chodron, Sravasti Abbey teaching, around 8:45)

The second group is the teachers, whom she names in the talk, a list of masters who come to teach the community and pass the Dharma on. The third group, she says, must be the students themselves: "Because we have received the teachings and in order to pass them down... we have to practice them." Protecting the Dharma, in her framing, starts in one's own mind, and that is precisely where the five hindrances live. The ethic is practical. The teachings survive only if practitioners embody them well enough to share them later.

Why is mindfulness of phenomena the place to meet the hindrances?

The four establishments of mindfulness move from the body, to feelings, to mind, and finally to phenomena, a category broad enough to include the qualities and obstacles of the mind itself. Chodron notes that the book lists specific categories of phenomena for practice, and the first is "our old friends, the five hindrances." Her tone is wry: "Yeah, we know these guys well." But she insists that knowing a thing in theory is not the same as seeing it operate. She calls the book's instructions "very, very helpful" and recommends the meditation on the hindrances highly.

The point of the category is precision. A hindrance you cannot name is one you keep obeying. The fourth establishment asks the meditator to catch the hindrance in the act, see it as a phenomenon that arises and passes away, and stop taking it as a fixed fact about oneself.

How do you watch a hindrance arise without getting lost in it?

The clearest passage in the portion of the transcript available comes when Chodron begins working through the hindrances in conversation with the room. Sensual desire is the first example she takes up, and she invites responses before moving to the next one. Her method is to bring the mind to a specific experience, let the hindrance show itself, and then observe it. The instruction is almost physical: "Okay, watch it arise." She returns to that image more than once, the way a teacher returns to a tuning fork.

She also uses stories to keep the abstraction grounded, including an extended anecdote about a red Porsche and a sequence about a refrigerator that drew laughter from the room. The stories are not decoration. They show how craving builds from a single glance into a whole narrative, and how the mind then argues for its own conclusion. Later, when she turns to attachment, she traces it back to its causes rather than treating it as an isolated flare-up. In the portion available, the line that stands out is her statement that "attachment arises from not guarding" the mind, a reminder that the practice is preventive as well as corrective.

The approach is not about suppressing desire or refusing it. It is about seeing the sequence clearly enough that the next moment of contact can be different. A careful reader can use the same stance at home: pick one hindrance, watch for it in an ordinary situation, and notice the story it tells before acting on it.

Why does self-criticism count as an obstacle too?

Perhaps the most striking part of the talk is not a hindrance on the official list at all. Chodron turns to resilience, a theme she says came up at a conference, and she names what she sees as a cultural habit. "In our culture we tend to get so down on ourselves," she says. She describes the internal monologue that follows a meditator's failures, the thought that they are studying the qualities of great Bodhisattvas and have none of them, and the conclusion that one is a hopeless fool.

"That's not fair to ourselves. Because we're looking very short term and we're setting a bar that's like sky high... And that's not how practicing the path works... We have to just keep putting one foot in front of the other. And slowly we get there." (Thubten Chodron, Sravasti Abbey teaching, around 13:54 and following)

Her answer is a change of time frame. She says she does not have to beat herself up over the realizations she lacks, and she offers a sentence to practice with: "someday I will be." She is precise that there is no set date and no expectation attached. The aspiration is long-term, and it is the source of the confidence to keep going through difficulty. Her verdict on the self-critical reflex is blunt: it is "useless." For a meditation on hindrances, this matters. Self-criticism is itself a hindrance dressed as seriousness, and it blocks the same clear seeing the practice demands.

Where do the Theravada sources come in?

Chodron also notes that the explanations in the book draw on the Theravada perspective and Pali sutras, not only on Mahayana texts. She points out that sources from that tradition appear within the book's treatment of the hindrances, a reminder that the Buddha's teachings on mindfulness were transmitted across several lineages. For a reader, the practical value is that the instructions are not sectarian. They are the common ground that the various traditions have used to describe how the mind works.

What is the long-term aim of this practice?

The teaching closes on the same expansive note with which it began. Chodron frames the study and meditation as a way of benefiting all sentient beings, and she hopes that those who practice will one day be able to share what they have learned. The five hindrances, in this account, are not an examination to pass. They are the material through which a practitioner learns to see the mind clearly, and that clarity is what eventually makes it possible to help others.

It is worth stating what the transcript available here does not show. The description refers to a four-step process for contemplating the hindrances, and the book's fuller instructions are on pages 377 and 378. The excerpt does not spell out each of those steps, so this article does not reconstruct them. Readers who want the full sequence should work with the book itself.

Where to go from here

If this teaching has made you curious about the practice, start with the source. Following in the Buddha's Footsteps, the fourth volume of the Library of Wisdom and Compassion, is available through Wisdom Experience at https://wisdomexperience.org/product/following-in-the-buddhas-footsteps/. For more teachings from Sravasti Abbey, visit https://SravastiAbbey.org, and for the work of Venerable Thubten Chodron, visit https://ThubtenChodron.org.

The teaching's own note is worth carrying with you: attend online teachings the way you would attend in person. Choose one hindrance this week, watch it arise in a single ordinary moment, and when you notice yourself getting harsh about it, remember the sentence she offers: someday, and one foot in front of the other.

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[0:00] today with where we left off, which

[0:03] seems like a long time ago, although it

[0:05] was only a week.

[0:07] Um

[0:08] you know, and we're talking about

[0:11] mindfulness of phenomena of the four

[0:13] establishments of mindfulness.

[0:16] We're on the fourth one, mindfulness of

[0:18] phenomena. And last time we read through

[0:20] kind of the introduction

[0:23] to that, and then um they listed the

[0:26] different categories of things

[0:29] that you specifically practice

[0:31] mindfulness of.

[0:33] And uh the first category is our old

[0:37] friends,

[0:39] the five hindrances.

[0:42] Yeah, we know these guys well.

[0:46] You know, and um

[0:49] yeah.

[0:51] But it's

[0:53] the way of meditating on these is really

[0:56] quite good, you know, and uh

[0:59] I highly recommend it because

[1:02] the the instructions in the book are

[1:04] very, very helpful, you know.

[1:08] So, let me find where we are.

[1:15] Okay.

[1:20] So, on page 377

[1:24] at the bottom, where it says mindfulness

[1:27] of the five hindrances.

[1:30] But [snorts] we will start out I'm well,

[1:32] I'm remembering.

[1:34] Yeah, I'm remembering. With our

[1:36] recitations, so remember to visualize

[1:39] the merit field,

[1:41] and you're surrounded by all sentient

[1:43] beings.

[1:44] >> [snorts]

[1:45] >> And we're leading them in taking refuge

[1:47] and generating bodhicitta.

[2:09] >> To the teacher who doubt and send it

[2:10] destroy all the skunk for destroy

[2:13] completely and follow your wake and one

[2:15] perfect in knowledge and good

[2:17] one kind of bliss no of the world spring

[2:20] guide of beings to be tamed teacher of

[2:23] gods and humans to you the Buddha doubt

[2:25] and send it destroy glorious conquer

[2:28] Shakyamuni at prostrate make offerings

[2:30] and go for refuge when he was one human

[2:34] who was born on the same

[2:35] day seven strides and said I'm supreme

[2:37] in this world to you who are wise then I

[2:40] bow with your bodies forms supremely

[2:43] fine wisdom and emotion like a golden

[2:46] mountain fame that blazes in the three

[2:49] worlds winner of the best spring guide

[2:51] to you I bow with the supreme signs face

[2:54] like a small

[2:56] color like gold to you I bow you are

[2:59] immaculate the three worlds are not

[3:01] incomparable wise one to you I bow great

[3:04] compassion and protector all knowing

[3:07] teacher field of merit and good

[3:09] qualities vast as an ocean to the

[3:13] through purity freeing from attachment

[3:16] through virtue freeing from the lower

[3:18] realms unique supreme ultimate reality

[3:22] to the Dharma that is peace I bow having

[3:25] freed themselves showing the path to

[3:27] freedom to well established in the

[3:30] trainings the holy field endowed with

[3:33] good qualities to the Sangha I bow

[3:36] do not commit any non virtuous actions

[3:39] perform only perfect virtuous actions

[3:42] subdue your mind completely this is the

[3:45] teaching of the Buddha a star a mirage a

[3:48] flame of a lamp an illusion a drop of

[3:50] dew a bubble

[3:52] a dream flash of lightning, of cloud, of

[3:55] sea condition things as such, through

[3:57] this mirror it may send him beings

[3:59] sustain the state of all sufferings of

[4:02] the old ones, and be delivered from the

[4:05] ocean of

[4:06] existence perturbed by the waves of

[4:08] aging, sickness, and death.

[4:12] >> This ground

[4:15] anointed [singing]

[4:17] with perfume,

[4:20] flowers

[4:22] strewn [singing]

[4:23] Mount Meru,

[4:26] four lands, sun and [singing] moon,

[4:32] imagined

[4:35] as a

[4:36] Buddha land and offered to you, may

[4:42] all beings [singing]

[4:45] enjoy

[4:48] this pure land.

[4:52] Venerable [singing]

[4:53] holy gurus,

[4:59] in the space of your [singing] truth

[5:03] body,

[5:06] from [singing] billowing

[5:08] clouds of your wisdom and love, let fall

[5:14] [singing] the rain of the profound and

[5:19] extensive

[5:20] >> [singing]

[5:21] >> Dharma,

[5:23] in whatever form is suitable for

[5:27] subduing

[5:29] >> [singing]

[5:31] >> sentient

[5:33] beings.

[5:40] I take refuge until I have awakened in

[5:43] the Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha.

[5:46] By merit I create by listening to the

[5:50] Dharma, I will attain Buddhahood in

[5:55] order to benefit all sentient beings. I

[5:59] take refuge until I have awakened in the

[6:03] Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha. By

[6:06] the merit I create by listening to the

[6:10] Dharma, I will attain Buddhahood in

[6:15] order to benefit all sentient beings. I

[6:18] take refuge until I have awakened in the

[6:23] Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha. By

[6:26] the merit I create by listening to the

[6:30] Dharma, I will attain Buddhahood in

[6:35] order to benefit all sentient beings.

[6:41] >> [snorts]

[8:19] >> So, let's cultivate our motivation.

[8:23] So, in the evening chat, we pray, we pay

[8:27] homage to the Dharma protectors of

[8:31] Sravasti Abbey.

[8:33] We recite that three times.

[8:37] So,

[8:39] the way I've come to think about that,

[8:43] so the first time

[8:45] we're paying homage to the

[8:47] transcendental

[8:49] Dharma protectors, those who are Aryas,

[8:53] who have realizations of the Dharma,

[8:58] and who are fully capable of protecting

[9:02] the teachings.

[9:04] And the teachings need to be protected

[9:08] um from our own defilements, our own

[9:13] afflictions,

[9:15] and they need

[9:17] to be protected from external

[9:19] hindrances,

[9:20] war, for example,

[9:23] bigotry, and so on.

[9:28] Then the second level that I'm thinking

[9:31] of Dharma protectors for the Abbey

[9:35] are our teachers.

[9:38] Yeah, Geshe Kelsang Dorje, Geshe Geshe

[9:41] Samdup, Namgyal Rinpoche,

[9:44] um

[9:46] Geshe

[9:47] the Abbot of

[9:49] Drepung Loseling.

[9:52] All these people

[9:54] who

[9:55] >> [laughter]

[9:55] >> are really masters of the Dharma who

[9:58] come here and teach us.

[10:01] Cuz they're passing the Dharma on to us,

[10:03] that's protecting the Dharma.

[10:07] And then,

[10:09] the third

[10:11] group of Dharma protectors must be us.

[10:16] Because we have received the teachings

[10:20] and in order to pass them down, we have

[10:24] and share them with others, we have to

[10:26] practice them.

[10:29] So, whenever we are practicing, we are

[10:32] protecting the teachings in our own mind

[10:37] and then

[10:38] at some time later when we can be a

[10:41] benefit to other sentient beings,

[10:45] the teachings are there in our practice

[10:49] and we can share them.

[10:53] So, let's

[10:56] make this a long-term

[10:58] project,

[11:01] you know, to protect and preserve these

[11:05] amazing teachings that we

[11:08] have had the fortune in this life

[11:11] to encounter and hopefully hopefully in

[11:15] all future lives to encounter the

[11:18] Buddhist teachings.

[11:20] And with that kind of motivation, then

[11:23] let's share the teachings this evening.

[11:42] >> So when we're listening to teachings,

[11:46] yeah,

[11:47] uh we should have a very expansive

[11:50] attitude and not just think,

[11:53] "I'm listening to them so that I can

[11:55] have something to practice, so that

[11:57] they'll can

[11:58] they can help my mind."

[12:00] Yes, we're one person, that's good. We

[12:03] listen to the teachings, you know, to

[12:06] learn them, to help our own mind.

[12:09] But it's because of what all the Buddhas

[12:12] and Bodhisattvas who came before us did

[12:16] that we have the opportunity to meet the

[12:19] teachings.

[12:20] And they had a very expansive

[12:23] motivation.

[12:25] Not just to

[12:26] practice it and realize it themselves,

[12:29] but to be able to pass it down, to share

[12:32] it with other people.

[12:35] Yeah. So it's important that we have

[12:38] that motivation, too. We may not be, you

[12:42] know, or I guess I should speak for

[12:43] myself, I am not a Bodhisattva or Buddha

[12:46] now.

[12:47] But we can have that aspiration.

[12:51] And

[12:53] what the way I think about it is someday

[12:57] I will be.

[12:59] Okay?

[13:00] I don't have to like beat myself up

[13:02] because I don't have those realizations

[13:05] and blah blah blah now.

[13:07] But I can say someday

[13:10] I will.

[13:12] Yeah. Someday. I don't know when.

[13:16] Yeah. And there's there's no um

[13:19] you know, set date. There's no

[13:22] expectation.

[13:23] There's no uh oh, I've got to do it by

[13:26] this date and this time.

[13:29] But just to know we're practicing in the

[13:32] long term and sometime

[13:35] we will have these realizations.

[13:39] Yeah? And then that gives us

[13:42] the confidence

[13:44] and the ability to keep going.

[13:47] You know? And to be resilient even when

[13:51] we face difficulties.

[13:54] So this thing about resiliency came up

[13:57] at the conference, and I think it's so

[14:00] important, you know, because

[14:03] in our culture we tend to get so down on

[14:08] ourselves.

[14:09] You know, I can't do this and I can't do

[14:12] that and I'm studying the the qualities

[14:16] of the great Bodhisattvas on the 10

[14:18] Bhumis and the five paths and I don't

[14:21] even have one of them or a fraction of

[14:25] one of them and you know, I'm just what

[14:28] am I doing?

[14:30] I'm listening to the teachings and

[14:33] I don't know, I don't know, you know,

[14:34] I'm a hopeless idiot is the usual

[14:37] conclusion.

[14:39] Yeah. And that's not really very fair.

[14:44] That's not fair to ourselves. Okay?

[14:48] Because

[14:49] what we're looking very short term and

[14:52] we're setting a bar that's like sky

[14:56] high. You know, oh, I have to realize

[14:59] this by

[15:02] you know, that time.

[15:04] And that's not how practicing the path

[15:07] works.

[15:09] Yeah?

[15:10] We have to just keep it is it came out

[15:14] during the the program, putting one foot

[15:17] in front of the other.

[15:19] And slowly

[15:21] we get there.

[15:23] Yeah. And then we also save ourselves

[15:28] all this junk of self-criticism.

[15:32] Yeah, which is useless.

[15:35] And when we think, what are the Dharma

[15:37] protectors having to protect us from?

[15:41] Yeah, this attitude of giving up on

[15:45] ourselves.

[15:47] Of saying, I'm not qualified. I can't do

[15:50] it. It's too hard. It's too high.

[15:55] Yeah.

[15:56] So, that's what we need the protection

[15:59] against because we so often become our

[16:03] own worst enemy by putting ourselves

[16:06] down.

[16:08] Yeah.

[16:09] And this is not how the great masters

[16:12] practiced.

[16:14] Yeah. So,

[16:16] you know, and and yes, we go through ups

[16:19] and downs. This came up a lot in the

[16:21] program. You know, oh yes, my practice

[16:24] is going along very well and then crash,

[16:27] bang, boom, you know. And it's like, oh,

[16:30] I can't do anything. I

[16:33] completely messed this up. I you know, I

[16:36] came close to breaking a root precept.

[16:39] You know, I didn't but I came close and

[16:41] then blah blah whoo whoo whoo

[16:45] and you know, and we go down. And this

[16:48] whole quality of resilience is so

[16:51] important.

[16:53] You know, because samsara

[16:56] is like this. And you know, whether you

[16:59] practice the Dharma or don't practice

[17:02] the Dharma,

[17:03] we're on a we're yo-yos.

[17:07] And we're on that merry-go-round on our

[17:10] little horseys. You know, your little

[17:12] horseys that go up and down and up and

[17:16] down.

[17:18] And that that means that's samsara.

[17:20] And so we have to learn to not get so

[17:24] high that we're like

[17:27] and not and when we have hit a rough

[17:31] spot to just say, "Yeah, it's there.

[17:35] Yeah, but I'm continuing on." And so we

[17:39] have the spirit of resilience to

[17:42] continue on. Yeah? And eventually we

[17:46] will get there.

[17:48] Mhm.

[17:51] Okay.

[17:54] So, mindfulness of the five hindrances.

[17:58] These are the things Oh, I have so many

[18:02] of them, all five of them to the nth

[18:05] degree. I'm worse than anybody else.

[18:10] Yeah?

[18:15] My five hindrances,

[18:18] oh, they're

[18:20] I [snorts]

[18:21] have double hindrances, you know? Yeah.

[18:25] To the nth power and and

[18:29] Okay.

[18:31] Okay, enough drama. But this is the way

[18:34] our mind is, isn't it? We are dramatic

[18:38] with ourselves when we get into that. I

[18:40] can't do anything right.

[18:46] Okay. So, here's what His Holiness says.

[18:50] The five hindrances, do you remember

[18:53] what they are?

[18:55] Yeah, we have them every day. Yeah, you

[18:58] should remember them.

[19:00] First one?

[19:01] >> Sensual desire.

[19:03] >> Sensual desire. Second one?

[19:05] >> Malice.

[19:06] >> Malice.

[19:08] Oh, third one?

[19:10] >> Lethargy and sleep.

[19:11] >> Lethargy and sleepiness. Yes.

[19:15] Fourth one?

[19:16] >> Restlessness and regret.

[19:18] >> Restlessness and regret or remorse.

[19:22] Yeah. And the last one?

[19:25] >> Deluded doubt.

[19:26] >> Yeah, deluded doubt.

[19:29] Okay. So, we are champions in these

[19:33] five. Okay? And they make us miserable.

[19:37] So, rather than being friends with them,

[19:40] we should

[19:42] say, "You. You.

[19:45] Get out of here."

[19:47] Yeah.

[19:48] Okay.

[19:49] So, the five hindrances, sensual desire,

[19:52] malice, lethargy and sleepiness,

[19:55] restlessness and regret, and doubt were

[19:58] explained in the higher training in

[20:00] concentration in chapter seven.

[20:04] Here,

[20:05] yeah, so there they were explained in

[20:07] the context of interfering with

[20:10] generating concentration.

[20:12] Here, they're explained as objects of

[20:16] mindfulness.

[20:18] Okay, so it's a different way of looking

[20:19] at them. The Establishments of

[20:22] Mindfulness Sutta

[20:24] gives a four-step process to abide

[20:28] contemplating phenomena as phenomena.

[20:32] And this is the first group of phenomena

[20:35] that we're going to contemplate.

[20:37] So, four-step process to abide

[20:40] contemplating phenomena as phenomena in

[20:43] terms of the five hindrances. So, first

[20:47] we're going to use the example of

[20:49] sensual desire.

[20:51] Yeah. Anybody here who doesn't have

[20:53] that?

[20:57] Okay. So, the first of the four steps is

[21:01] understand when sensual desire is

[21:04] present in you and when it is absent.

[21:09] Okay?

[21:11] So,

[21:13] can we pick it up when it's present?

[21:16] When it's really big, you bet.

[21:20] When it's just starting and it's small,

[21:22] can we pick it up?

[21:27] That's much harder.

[21:30] Much harder, okay?

[21:33] Um

[21:37] And how often do we

[21:40] cuz this is not just observing it when

[21:43] it's there,

[21:44] but noting also when it's absent. How

[21:48] often do you note, "Oh, I don't have

[21:50] sensual desire right now."

[21:55] Yeah, cuz most of the time we don't.

[22:00] Yeah, we don't. So, you know,

[22:03] particularly sexual desire or the

[22:06] sensual desire can go to all five, but

[22:09] particularly

[22:11] a sexual desire. And allow me, yes, he

[22:15] he used to say,

[22:17] "Oh,

[22:18] you know,

[22:19] I hear from people that, 'Oh, you know,

[22:23] being celibate is unnatural.'

[22:26] But when you look at 24 hours in a day,

[22:29] he said,

[22:30] 'Most of the day we're celibate, aren't

[22:32] we?'" [laughter]

[22:37] Yeah?

[22:38] And he's right. So, I think it's good to

[22:42] know notice that, you know, sensual

[22:45] desire is absent right now.

[22:48] Ah, this is what it feels like. It feels

[22:51] so much nicer, doesn't it?

[22:55] Okay.

[22:56] So, when we do not know that a hindrance

[22:59] has arisen, we will be unaware of its

[23:02] effects on our thoughts, mood, speech,

[23:06] and actions. So, that's why the first

[23:10] step is to know when it a hindrance has

[23:14] arisen.

[23:15] Cuz otherwise,

[23:18] it takes over our mind and we follow it.

[23:21] Okay.

[23:22] To counteract this,

[23:25] when a hindrance interrupts meditation,

[23:28] note its presence,

[23:30] release it, and return your focus to the

[23:34] primary meditation object. So, that's

[23:37] the first way to oppose it.

[23:40] Just notice it.

[23:42] Come back to your meditation object, you

[23:46] know, release it, come back to your

[23:48] meditation object, and continue on.

[23:53] How often are you successful doing that?

[24:00] Sometimes?

[24:02] Hardly ever?

[24:05] Yeah.

[24:06] It depends how soon we notice it. When

[24:09] we don't notice it, then it can take a

[24:12] long time.

[24:14] Yeah. And then that thing of simply

[24:16] saying, "Oh, it's here. Let's go back to

[24:19] my object." I don't know about you, but

[24:22] my object has definitely switched. Yeah.

[24:26] I can't easily go back. And

[24:31] for

[24:32] personally, particularly,

[24:34] I have to understand why

[24:38] a certain hindrance is non-virtuous or

[24:42] why it's

[24:44] uh what its disadvantages are.

[24:47] Yeah. Because if I don't understand

[24:50] those, then I don't have the oomph

[24:52] to

[24:54] yeah, to let it go.

[24:56] Okay.

[24:57] So, to counteract this, when a hindrance

[25:00] interrupts meditation, yeah, the first

[25:03] way to try and deal with it is notice

[25:06] presence, release it, and return your

[25:09] focus to the primary meditation object.

[25:12] If the hindrance persists,

[25:16] temporarily switch mindfulness from your

[25:20] meditation object to observe the

[25:23] hindrance, making it the meditation

[25:26] object.

[25:28] Okay. So, here you're

[25:31] placing mindfulness

[25:34] to observe and learn about, in this

[25:38] case, sensual desire. So, it's not place

[25:41] your mind on sensual desire and get it

[25:44] all revved up and follow all of your

[25:47] daydreams. It's like, "Okay, this is

[25:51] what

[25:52] desire feels in my body. This is what it

[25:56] feels like in my mind. This is how it

[25:59] influences my moods.

[26:02] This is how it influences

[26:05] my speech.

[26:08] This is how it influences how I move my

[26:11] body."

[26:15] Okay.

[26:16] Because,

[26:18] you know, when there's desire in the

[26:20] in the mind, it influences us, doesn't

[26:23] it? Yeah, when we don't catch it, how

[26:26] does it influence your your mood?

[26:30] Kind of like, "Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh,

[26:33] ooh. Hmm,

[26:36] yeah, who's that good-looking person

[26:38] over there?"

[26:40] Yeah.

[26:41] How does it influence your speech?

[26:45] "Oh, I think I'll go talk to them."

[26:48] "Yeah, I'll do my walking meditation

[26:51] nearby them."

[26:53] Yeah, and then we can just chat.

[26:57] Yeah,

[26:57] >> [laughter]

[26:58] >> afterwards.

[26:59] How does it influence what you do with

[27:01] your body?

[27:03] Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You walk in a

[27:06] certain way displaying your You move

[27:09] your hands. What do you do with your

[27:12] eyes? You, you know, meet their eyes

[27:15] with a certain kind of look. Look, not a

[27:18] hello look, but a

[27:22] >> [laughter]

[27:25] >> Yeah, it influences it, doesn't it?

[27:30] Yeah.

[27:31] And if we're careful, we can watch when

[27:33] we do it.

[27:34] And of course, we can watch when other

[27:36] people do it.

[27:38] And this is why we have to point it out

[27:40] when we see our Dharma friends speaking

[27:43] or acting like this. Yeah.

[27:46] Because boy, once you get on the roller

[27:49] coaster of desire, uh

[27:52] Yeah.

[27:54] Yeah, there was something happened last

[27:56] week on a roller coaster that something

[27:59] malfunctioned and

[28:01] somebody fell off and hit other people

[28:04] when he was falling off.

[28:07] So, you know, yeah, this is what happen.

[28:09] You get on the roller coaster of sensual

[28:11] desire, you know, and you

[28:14] can fall off and damage other people

[28:17] when you're doing it.

[28:20] Okay.

[28:23] So, observe how it feels in your body

[28:27] and mind.

[28:30] Yeah, the body reacts when there's

[28:34] sensual desire in the mind. You know,

[28:37] how does it feel in your mind? Maybe you

[28:40] wake up a little bit more.

[28:42] Yeah.

[28:44] Okay, watch it arise,

[28:48] and subside.

[28:51] Yeah. Note if it is constant or if it

[28:55] fluctuates in intensity.

[28:59] Now, that's interesting. Yeah, when you

[29:02] have that desire energy, is it constant?

[29:08] Or does sometime it get greater,

[29:11] sometimes it gets lesser?

[29:14] Yeah, we usually say go it just gets

[29:16] greater, greater, greater. But sometime

[29:19] you get distracted from thinking about

[29:21] your sensual desire.

[29:24] Yeah.

[29:25] Like that that good-looking person, you

[29:27] know, just fell down and smashed his

[29:30] nose. That's like, "Oh, you know,

[29:34] not so interesting now."

[29:36] >> [laughter]

[29:40] >> Yeah.

[29:43] So

[29:44] >> [laughter]

[29:45] >> Yeah, so your desire goes down, yeah.

[29:49] Then, you know, so it does. It Yeah, so

[29:52] what? Does it increase in intensity?

[29:55] Does it decrease? Okay.

[29:59] >> [snorts]

[29:59] >> Well, watch it as it arise, watch as it

[30:02] as it subsides a little bit.

[30:05] Okay.

[30:06] Observing a hindrance in this way

[30:09] weakens its strength.

[30:11] Because instead of jumping in and

[30:13] following it, you're standing back and

[30:17] observing it.

[30:19] Yeah, with your mindfulness placed on

[30:22] it,

[30:23] you know, and this is how it feels, this

[30:25] is is how it influences me.

[30:29] After the hindrance ceases, observe the

[30:31] change in your feelings and mood.

[30:35] Yeah, after that sensual desire goes

[30:38] down,

[30:39] it's kind of a release, isn't you know,

[30:41] a relief, isn't it?

[30:43] As say, "Okay, body." So, you know,

[30:46] "Slow down."

[30:48] Okay.

[30:50] Then the second point of the four

[30:52] points,

[30:53] understand the causes for sensual desire

[30:57] to arise.

[30:59] So, what causes it to arise? What's your

[31:01] experience?

[31:05] >> Seeing somebody, contact with the

[31:08] senses.

[31:09] >> What kind of contact?

[31:11] >> For me, visual.

[31:13] >> What?

[31:14] >> Visual or auditory.

[31:16] >> Visual or auditory. So, seeing somebody,

[31:19] somebody hearing their voice.

[31:22] Yeah?

[31:23] >> It's proliferation, my story about that

[31:25] object and what it means to me. Like, if

[31:27] I've had that chocolate before, I see it

[31:29] and bam, I want it because I know

[31:32] pleasant feelings have come many times

[31:33] before.

[31:34] >> Yeah. Yeah, you start dreaming about all

[31:37] the pleasant feelings that are going to

[31:39] come.

[31:40] With no obstacle.

[31:43] Yeah. Yeah, no obstacle. Just

[31:46] so many pleasant feelings. What else

[31:48] happens?

[31:53] How do you know when it does arise? What

[31:55] caught when what or I should say what

[31:57] causes it to arise?

[32:00] How about media?

[32:04] Yeah? You look at the newspaper, you

[32:06] look at advertisements

[32:09] on billboards. You look at TV.

[32:16] Yeah?

[32:17] They're always selling something and

[32:19] they always have these incredibly

[32:21] good-looking people doing it.

[32:24] Yeah? And who looks like those

[32:26] good-looking people besides nobody?

[32:30] Because they're all

[32:32] brush dry airbrush. Yeah?

[32:35] So, they don't even look like

[32:37] themselves. But we look at that and we

[32:39] go

[32:41] you know.

[32:43] And I want to look like one part of it

[32:46] and find somebody who looks like the

[32:48] other part.

[32:50] You know.

[32:52] >> [laughter]

[32:54] >> Okay.

[32:56] >> [snorts]

[32:57] >> So we have to observe

[33:00] uh sensual desire arises as a result of

[33:04] contact with an attractive object, a

[33:07] person,

[33:09] a place.

[33:10] Yeah. So person, um it happened What did

[33:15] it do? A few times ago when I was giving

[33:19] something online and there were people

[33:22] here. Yeah. And there was one guy who

[33:25] was the one online doing it and some

[33:28] people were saying, "Oh, he looks like

[33:29] just like my ex-boyfriend."

[33:32] Yeah.

[33:34] Yeah. [laughter]

[33:36] I said, "Do you remember that?"

[33:37] >> EML.

[33:38] >> Was that EML? Yeah.

[33:42] So yeah. Oh god.

[33:45] You know, and it was somebody from

[33:47] another country they've never met who

[33:50] who I was doing the teachings for their

[33:52] group. But you know, they Oh, he looks

[33:55] just like my old boyfriend. Yeah. Then

[33:58] it you know, desire arises. Place. You

[34:01] go to a place where you know, you

[34:05] you know, the nostalgic

[34:07] place. Oh, where you first fell in love.

[34:12] Yeah.

[34:14] Yeah, you don't look happy.

[34:16] No.

[34:17] >> [laughter]

[34:19] >> Yeah. Yeah, with that face nobody's

[34:22] going to have sensual desire for you.

[34:25] [laughter]

[34:26] That's good? Oh, okay.

[34:31] >> [laughter]

[34:32] [snorts]

[34:33] >> Okay, it can arise with possessions. We

[34:36] see possessions. Somebody has something,

[34:40] you know, or you're walking in the

[34:43] downtown, you're walking in the store,

[34:46] and you see something like instantly,

[34:50] oh, I want that.

[34:52] Yeah, I want that. I saw that

[34:55] advertised. I want it.

[34:58] Yeah.

[34:59] And desire comes up. Or you go into shop

[35:03] for groceries, you feel like having

[35:05] cookies.

[35:07] Yeah, this was this what happened to me

[35:09] after my first meditation course. Okay?

[35:13] >> [snorts]

[35:14] >> I went into the grocery store to shop,

[35:17] and I thought, I want some cookies, and

[35:20] I went to the cookie aisle.

[35:23] You know, after hearing Lama Zopa the

[35:26] evil thought of the eight worldly

[35:28] concerns, attachment to the happiness of

[35:30] this life,

[35:32] and

[35:33] I'm standing there and like,

[35:36] what kind of cookies do I want?

[35:40] Well, during most of the course, I

[35:43] dreamed about chocolate chip,

[35:45] but now, I don't feel like chocolate

[35:48] chip, I feel like another kind. Which

[35:51] kind do I feel like?

[35:53] You know, and I'm looking at all of

[35:57] these cookies on this side and on this

[36:00] side of the aisle.

[36:02] And I don't know how long I stood there

[36:05] because I couldn't decide which one I

[36:08] felt like eating.

[36:11] >> [cough]

[36:13] >> Yeah.

[36:17] So.

[36:18] >> What?

[36:19] >> Did you choose one?

[36:24] >> Did you choose one? I can't remember.

[36:28] >> [laughter]

[36:29] >> I must have, but I can't remember what I

[36:33] chose.

[36:35] And I might not have, too.

[36:38] Yeah.

[36:39] Cuz I was just like

[36:43] >> [laughter]

[36:43] >> you know, what's going on here?

[36:46] >> [snorts]

[36:47] >> Okay.

[36:49] So, sensual desire arises out of

[36:52] contact, as a result of contact with an

[36:55] attractive object, a person, place,

[36:58] possession, and so forth.

[37:01] From this arises distorted attention.

[37:06] This is another one of our good friends,

[37:10] which projects or exaggerates its

[37:13] desirable qualities.

[37:16] So, we pay attention to the object,

[37:19] and because it's we think it's

[37:21] attractive, we have a pleasant feeling

[37:24] from it, and then our mind starts

[37:27] proliferating.

[37:30] Yeah, I want it. When I get it, then

[37:32] I'll feel like this.

[37:35] And this will happen, and that will

[37:37] happen. Okay? And we start our creative

[37:41] writing story

[37:43] of all the wonderful things we're going

[37:45] to get out of having that object.

[37:52] Okay. So, this triggers

[37:55] um the exaggeration and projection

[37:58] triggers sensual desire, and attachment

[38:02] for the object arises.

[38:05] Okay? [snorts] Attachment also arises

[38:08] from not guarding our senses,

[38:11] from gazing at attractive people.

[38:15] You're in the airport, and like

[38:23] Yeah.

[38:25] Okay.

[38:26] You know, you you

[38:28] gazing at attractive people, looking in

[38:31] store windows.

[38:33] Do you remember during your ordination

[38:36] then afterwards we they took us on the

[38:40] walk through

[38:42] um

[38:42] Taichung.

[38:44] Uh

[38:45] they you know, we are collecting

[38:47] offerings. Yeah, we walk with your

[38:50] offering bowl and people put you know,

[38:52] they would put money in it mostly. Okay.

[38:56] But after being at the monastery

[38:59] cuz this was at the end so we had been

[39:01] at the monastery for like

[39:04] five and a half weeks. So this was at

[39:06] the very end.

[39:08] For me just going into town and we you

[39:12] know, we were doing this walk all all of

[39:15] us lined up. You try and keep your eyes

[39:18] down but you're in the city. You have to

[39:20] look at where you're going cuz the

[39:22] sidewalk isn't always even.

[39:25] And it was so disturbing.

[39:27] You know? Not just that I wasn't that I

[39:31] saw so many desirable things but there

[39:34] were just so many things.

[39:38] Yeah, so many things. Every window was

[39:43] filled with stuff.

[39:46] You know, in a store desired to you

[39:49] know, to sign to instigate sensual

[39:53] desire.

[39:55] Yeah.

[39:56] So it was really kind and then

[39:58] fortunately it began to rain

[40:01] and uh yeah.

[40:03] That that that cured the desire a

[40:06] little.

[40:06] >> [laughter]

[40:08] [snorts]

[40:09] >> Okay, so attachment also rises from not

[40:13] guarding our senses. Gating gazing at

[40:16] attractive people, looking in store

[40:19] windows, reading advertisements.

[40:23] Yeah, sometimes you just read the news.

[40:28] Yeah, and of course

[40:31] you know, the people who are speaking

[40:34] the news.

[40:35] Yeah, some of them are are very good

[40:38] looking. Some of them aren't. Yeah, but

[40:43] yeah,

[40:44] you get that. Okay.

[40:48] Socializing with people who talk about

[40:51] desirable objects,

[40:53] uh who talk about desirable objects and

[40:55] people also triggers desire.

[41:00] Yeah.

[41:01] And when you think about I don't know

[41:03] how much you guys have been following

[41:05] there's a big story about Cornell

[41:08] University

[41:09] because there was one undergraduate

[41:12] student, I think she was a sophomore,

[41:15] and she went to a frat party

[41:18] and she was raped. Not by one guy.

[41:23] Yeah.

[41:24] But it started out with two guys and

[41:27] then one of them sent a message out to

[41:30] all the other frat boys.

[41:34] You know, there's free beep beep beep if

[41:37] you come to such and such a room right

[41:39] now.

[41:42] And some more guys came.

[41:45] Not the whole frat house, but a few of

[41:47] them came. And she was raped even more.

[41:52] Yeah, and so just just that little

[41:56] message free [snorts]

[41:59] and they use you know, a vulgar name for

[42:02] woman's general genitals, you know, free

[42:05] this at such and such a a room.

[42:08] Yeah, and these guys read that and it's

[42:11] like, oh yippee, I want this, you know,

[42:14] and a few of them went and so all

[42:17] together seven of them

[42:21] seven frat boys, yeah, and a couple of

[42:25] them were expelled from the college, a

[42:28] couple were on suspension.

[42:31] But the the university didn't follow

[42:34] through

[42:36] with really doing a complete

[42:38] investigation into what happened.

[42:41] So the woman after a couple of weeks,

[42:44] you know, she went and she really

[42:48] complained and said, I know for sure I

[42:50] was raped. Yeah, and this actually

[42:54] happened a few years ago,

[42:56] but now it's coming out.

[42:59] And so all those guys, nobody none of

[43:03] them have been indicted yet.

[43:06] But they could be.

[43:09] So you know, one evening of just, you

[43:13] know, come to this room for free beep

[43:17] beep.

[43:19] Yeah, that's all, you know, desire

[43:22] arose, they followed it, they could wind

[43:25] up in prison because of it.

[43:29] Yeah.

[43:30] So it's like

[43:34] you got to be careful with sensual

[43:37] desire. It's it's tricky.

[43:41] And so anyway, so there's a big thing

[43:43] about it, Cornell cuz it's an Ivy League

[43:46] school and here's these frat boys doing

[43:49] that. And then something came out

[43:52] University of Chicago, which is a very

[43:56] high-ranking school. Also a bunch of

[43:59] frat boys did this

[44:01] to some other woman. Yeah.

[44:05] And

[44:07] Yeah, so there's some discussion in the

[44:10] press now

[44:11] of, you know,

[44:14] we thought that this came out in the

[44:16] with the Me Too movement.

[44:19] But, it didn't have

[44:22] it didn't move some minds, yeah.

[44:27] Anyway.

[44:29] Okay.

[44:30] >> [clears throat]

[44:30] >> So, attachment arises from not guarding

[44:33] our senses. You know, you read somebody

[44:37] sent that text message and you just not

[44:40] you read it and you didn't guard your

[44:42] mental sense,

[44:44] you know?

[44:45] Desire arose, off you went.

[44:49] Okay.

[44:52] So, looking in store windows, reading

[44:54] advertisements,

[44:55] socializing with people who talk about

[44:58] desirable objects like these frat boys

[45:01] do,

[45:03] and

[45:05] talking about desirable objects and

[45:07] people also triggers desire.

[45:10] You remember dear Donnie's remark

[45:13] about, you know, they they let you grab

[45:16] their

[45:18] you know, if you're rich and famous,

[45:20] something like that. Really vulgar. And

[45:23] then he just dis- dismissed it as locker

[45:27] room talk. It's just normal with guys,

[45:29] locker room talk.

[45:35] Yeah.

[45:36] So, but the pat- the point is, when

[45:39] you're around people who talk like that,

[45:42] desire gets triggered.

[45:45] Okay, so that's the second thing. The

[45:47] first one was understand when sensual

[45:50] desire is present in you and when it's

[45:53] absent.

[45:54] And then second, understand the causes

[45:57] for sensual desire to arise. And when

[46:00] you know those, then you can steer away

[46:03] from the clock the causes.

[46:06] Okay? Then the third one, understand how

[46:10] to temporarily suppress manifest sensual

[46:13] desire.

[46:16] Okay. So, you haven't done well on the

[46:19] first two. So, now you're stuck with

[46:22] manifest sensual desire. Okay.

[46:26] So, if sensual desire in particular

[46:29] sexual desire persists, contemplate its

[46:33] antidote. Which is

[46:38] the 32 parts of the body.

[46:41] And so forth.

[46:43] Yeah, but that works really well, you

[46:47] know, cuz you're switching your mind

[46:50] from that the skin

[46:53] the attractive external of the body

[46:57] to look at what is beneath the skin.

[47:01] Or what the skin looks like if you just

[47:04] peel it off and it's laid here like a

[47:08] tablecloth.

[47:12] You know, when when you see deer skin or

[47:15] sheep skin, that's what you know. But

[47:18] here you think, you know, human skin.

[47:22] You know, like somebody's skin and

[47:25] what's so beautiful about that skin when

[47:28] it's peeled off?

[47:31] Yeah. And when the teeth are pulled out

[47:35] and laid out here, how does their smile

[47:39] look then?

[47:40] Yeah, it's nice when the teeth are in

[47:42] the mouth and they smile at you, except

[47:45] her.

[47:46] Yeah. Uh

[47:50] Yeah, we'll take you to the dentist.

[47:55] Yeah, feel sorry for her.

[47:57] >> Mhm.

[47:58] >> So, um

[47:59] but

[48:02] you know, somebody's teeth when they're

[48:04] all laid out there.

[48:06] Yeah. Or I heard Master Ji Wu Can it

[48:10] when people would start inflating her

[48:13] and say, "Oh, she's very high. She's a

[48:15] Bodhisattva." She would take out her

[48:18] dentures and put them

[48:20] >> [laughter]

[48:21] >> Did she just poke them out with her

[48:22] tongue? Flash them at them?

[48:24] >> Oh, she just poke them out with her

[48:26] tongue and go mhm.

[48:27] >> [laughter]

[48:28] >> And back in?

[48:28] >> And back in and back

[48:30] back in. Yeah, and that that quenched

[48:34] the

[48:34] >> [laughter]

[48:35] >> the fascination.

[48:36] >> wasn't so great.

[48:38] >> Yeah.

[48:40] Yeah. [laughter]

[48:41] Okay. Yeah, it works. Or you imagine

[48:45] their eyeballs. You know, those

[48:47] beautiful eyes that look at you so

[48:50] lovingly. There are their eyeballs just

[48:53] lying out there.

[48:55] Beautiful?

[48:56] >> Like the bikuni. Do you Do you know that

[48:58] story?

[49:01] The man Oh, sorry.

[49:02] >> What?

[49:04] >> The the story of um

[49:06] the man was like saying that to this

[49:09] arahant bikuni, "Oh, your eyes are this

[49:12] this." And she's, "Oh, okay." And she

[49:13] takes out her eye and gives it to him.

[49:17] >> Yeah.

[49:19] Your eyes are like diamonds. Your teeth

[49:21] are like pearls. So, she flashes her

[49:23] dentures and takes out her eyes. Okay.

[49:28] Yeah.

[49:31] Okay.

[49:32] >> [laughter]

[49:33] >> So, contemplate its antidote, the 32

[49:36] parts of the body and so forth.

[49:39] For attachment to possessions, think of

[49:42] their impermanence and the problems that

[49:45] arise from

[49:47] protecting possessions.

[49:51] Yeah.

[49:53] What happens? You desire something. I

[49:56] mean, the the thing that comes so strong

[49:59] here

[50:00] that I I keep telling you is my friend

[50:02] in high school who incidentally emailed

[50:05] me last week.

[50:06] Um yeah, [snorts] he emails every year

[50:09] around my birthday

[50:11] and and he just craved for a red Porsche

[50:16] all through high school.

[50:19] Yeah, that's what I heard every Sunday

[50:22] cuz he drove me to

[50:24] we drove together to Sunday school.

[50:26] Yeah.

[50:28] So, here we are going to Sunday school

[50:31] and back and forth he's talking about

[50:33] his red Porsche. But, you know, you get

[50:36] some possession that seems wonderful

[50:40] and then it gets old, it breaks, it

[50:43] falls apart, it goes out of style.

[50:48] Yeah, he eventually got his red hot

[50:51] Porsche

[50:52] and then it was great for I don't know,

[50:55] 6 months and then it was not so

[50:57] interesting

[50:59] anymore. You get tired of it.

[51:05] Okay, so with attachment to possessions,

[51:07] think of their impermanence and the

[51:09] problems that arise from protecting

[51:12] them.

[51:14] Yeah, when you have possessions, you got

[51:17] to protect them. You go on an Indian

[51:19] train,

[51:21] you got to keep your stuff right with

[51:24] you all the time.

[51:27] Yeah, one time I was traveling then well

[51:31] Sangha Kacha and I were traveling

[51:33] together with a couple of other people

[51:35] on a train. It was an overnight train

[51:39] and we had

[51:40] we were all in second class and you

[51:43] know, and

[51:44] in the same kind of compartment

[51:46] and some guys came in, you know, a few

[51:50] um people guys came in and said, "Oh,

[51:53] our tickets say that these are our

[51:55] berths." Yeah, they're not your berths,

[51:58] they're our berths. And they come in and

[52:01] start, you know, talking and talking and

[52:03] talking and doing this and then we have

[52:06] to go and pull out our tickets and say,

[52:08] "No, these are our berths." And they're

[52:10] pulling out their tickets and finally

[52:13] they they say, "Okay, you know, we'll

[52:15] leave." And they left.

[52:18] And venerable SK went to get her prayer

[52:22] books or something

[52:24] and her backpack was gone.

[52:29] Yeah.

[52:30] Her backpack was gone.

[52:32] So, you know, whenever we have

[52:34] possessions,

[52:36] yeah, then you have to protect them.

[52:42] Yeah. No, I don't know what they did

[52:45] with her backpack.

[52:46] >> [laughter]

[52:47] >> You know, if if they read the prayers,

[52:49] maybe that would be good. They create,

[52:52] you know, some good imprints on their

[52:54] mind, but

[52:56] yeah.

[52:59] Okay.

[53:00] Consider the disappointment you

[53:02] experience when your possessions break

[53:05] or become outdated.

[53:08] You got this, you know,

[53:12] fashionable, in fashion, whatever it is,

[53:17] and then you spill spaghetti sauce all

[53:20] over it.

[53:21] Yeah.

[53:23] Yeah, and most of us thought, "Oh, we

[53:25] don't care so much about fashion. We

[53:28] just, you know, wear whatever there is.

[53:31] We don't care about fashion."

[53:33] Well,

[53:35] I remember,

[53:37] you know, being a member of the hippie

[53:39] generation,

[53:41] we looked at how many patches people had

[53:45] on their jeans.

[53:48] Yeah, do you remember this? And people

[53:52] with more patches,

[53:54] they must have traveled more. Ooh, and

[53:58] where did you get that cla- cloth?

[54:02] Yeah, and so this person must be

[54:05] interesting cuz they have more patches.

[54:10] Yeah.

[54:12] And tie-dye.

[54:14] Yeah, when tie-dye

[54:16] was in fashion. Yeah, and it's like you

[54:21] I mean, you travel you you know, you

[54:22] climb

[54:24] climb climbing mountains and doing

[54:26] things, you know, and it's like, "Wow,

[54:29] did you

[54:30] make that tie-dye shirt yourself? How

[54:33] did you do it?" You know, because it's

[54:36] like, you know, I mean, tie-dye is a

[54:39] skill and

[54:40] getting it and overlapping rings and and

[54:44] this how big they are and how you mix

[54:47] the colors and

[54:48] you know, and that was a big status

[54:51] thing.

[54:53] Yeah, how long your hair was

[54:57] for both men and women, you know, that

[55:00] was status.

[55:02] So we we didn't care about what they

[55:05] Saks Fifth Avenue, but we had our own

[55:08] status things.

[55:10] Yeah.

[55:11] And then of course, something

[55:14] it it's gets torn, it gets ruined.

[55:18] Yeah, and something new comes in style.

[55:23] Yeah, I should have

[55:26] tr-

[55:27] you know, kept those old jeans.

[55:31] Yeah, but the time I got done, they were

[55:34] almost the whole thing patched.

[55:37] Yeah.

[55:39] >> [laughter]

[55:41] >> Yeah, and my peasant [clears throat]

[55:43] blouse.

[55:45] Yeah.

[55:50] >> [clears throat]

[55:51] >> Okay.

[55:52] So,

[55:54] uh

[55:54] Think of your attachment to possessions,

[55:57] think of their impermanence, and the

[55:59] problems that arise from protecting

[56:01] possessions. Consider the disappointment

[56:05] you experience when they break or become

[56:08] outdated.

[56:11] Yeah, you just get a new chug goo.

[56:14] Yeah, finally a chug goo that fits,

[56:19] that's the right color.

[56:22] Yeah, and then what happened?

[56:25] It gets washed with something maroon

[56:29] that bleeds all over it, and now your

[56:32] chug goo is pink.

[56:35] >> [laughter]

[56:37] >> Yeah, tie-dye.

[56:39] Yeah.

[56:42] >> [laughter]

[56:44] >> Contemplate the disadvantages of

[56:47] attachment itself. His Holiness is

[56:50] giving us a lot of antidotes here.

[56:53] Okay. Contemplate the disadvantages of

[56:56] attachment itself. Desire is like a debt

[57:00] collector who follows us around saying,

[57:04] "Give me this, give me that."

[57:06] We can't freely move because the debt

[57:09] collector trails us everywhere,

[57:12] breathing down our neck and not letting

[57:15] us rest peacefully.

[57:19] And that's what attachment does to our

[57:21] lives, isn't it? When you have strong

[57:23] attachment, it really is like a debt

[57:26] collection collector, you know?

[57:30] Cuz it's I want this, give me this, give

[57:32] me that. I don't care what you have to

[57:34] do to get it. Let's do it.

[57:37] You know? And I can cover it up and

[57:39] nobody else is going to see.

[57:44] Okay?

[57:46] So, this is a good thing to, you know,

[57:48] when desire arises in the mind, think of

[57:51] it like a, you know, there's my desire,

[57:54] this debt collector breathing down my

[57:57] back.

[57:59] Not letting you move.

[58:02] Yeah.

[58:05] This is one reason why we cannot ordain

[58:09] if we have debts.

[58:11] Because the debt collector comes to the

[58:13] monastery.

[58:15] Yeah. When I was in France, they

[58:19] ordained, um,

[58:21] Nalanda ordained some young man who

[58:23] came.

[58:25] And they didn't check well, and he had

[58:27] debts, and the debt collector came to

[58:29] the monastery.

[58:33] That's not too cool, is it?

[58:36] Yeah.

[58:37] But it is like breathing down your neck,

[58:40] and you can't rest peacefully, and you

[58:43] might get other people in trouble, too.

[58:47] Okay? So, that's the third one.

[58:49] Yeah. Understand how to temporarily

[58:52] suppress manifest sensual desire. Then

[58:56] the fourth one,

[58:58] understand how to eliminate sensual

[59:01] desire completely.

[59:03] So, sensual desire is abandoned upon

[59:06] becoming a non-returner.

[59:09] So, non-returner has realized emptiness.

[59:12] They will no longer be reborn in the,

[59:15] um,

[59:16] desire realm.

[59:18] Okay? They're not out of samsara yet,

[59:20] though.

[59:21] The commentary to the Pali Sutta says

[59:25] that,

[59:26] um,

[59:26] a sensual desire is totally eliminated

[59:29] at Arahatship.

[59:31] Okay?

[59:33] Uh this is because the commentary has a

[59:36] broader definition of sensual desire,

[59:40] seeing it as any craving whatsoever, not

[59:43] just attachment to sensual objects.

[59:47] >> [snorts]

[59:47] >> According to the Sanskrit tradition, all

[59:50] hindrances are completely eradicated at

[59:53] Arahatship.

[59:56] Okay.

[59:58] Since mindfulness is applied to all five

[1:00:01] hindrances using these four steps, the

[1:00:04] remaining four hindrances will be

[1:00:06] touched on only briefly, but we will

[1:00:09] make some examples of them.

[1:00:12] Okay?

[1:00:14] So, [snorts] next one, malice.

[1:00:18] Okay.

[1:00:20] You know, when our critical, judgmental

[1:00:23] mind wakes up

[1:00:25] and says,

[1:00:27] "I'm mad at that person, or I'm jealous

[1:00:30] at that person, or look what that person

[1:00:33] is doing. Who do they think they are

[1:00:37] acting like that?"

[1:00:39] Oh.

[1:00:40] You know, we can get very judgmental,

[1:00:43] can't we?

[1:00:44] Yeah, when you're judgmental, are you

[1:00:47] happy and relaxed?

[1:00:51] No.

[1:00:53] Yeah.

[1:00:54] But we keep being judgmental.

[1:00:58] We don't say, "Oh, I'm judgmental, I'm

[1:01:00] miserable." We say, "I'm judgmental,

[1:01:03] but I'm right."

[1:01:05] Because look at how that person is

[1:01:07] acting, and they should not act like

[1:01:10] that. Definitely not.

[1:01:13] Yeah. And then, who can I tell, and how

[1:01:15] can we remedy this, and oh, this is

[1:01:18] terrible what they're doing.

[1:01:20] Yeah, we get really judgmental, don't

[1:01:23] we?

[1:01:24] Yeah, and that person, everything about

[1:01:28] them is no good.

[1:01:30] Yeah, they don't have one good quality.

[1:01:34] Look what they did. Everything ah.

[1:01:36] >> [groaning]

[1:01:39] >> Yeah, is that when you get judgmental,

[1:01:41] is that the way it works with you?

[1:01:45] Yeah, when you complain about somebody's

[1:01:48] behavior

[1:01:50] or you complain about the food, you

[1:01:53] know, but especially we get don't get so

[1:01:56] judgmental about the food. I mean, it

[1:01:59] happens, but okay, it has

[1:02:01] you know, vinegar mixed in with the

[1:02:03] sugar. I mean, I comment on it and

[1:02:05] forget it. Okay? But, a person who

[1:02:10] behaves poorly, oh,

[1:02:13] what are they doing and how dare they?

[1:02:16] And this is terrible.

[1:02:19] You know, and especially, you know, I

[1:02:22] keep good ethical conduct. Look what

[1:02:26] they're doing.

[1:02:28] Yeah, they went into the kitchen and

[1:02:32] went in the refrigerator

[1:02:34] and got something themselves.

[1:02:37] And they know that we're not supposed to

[1:02:39] do that. That is stealing from the

[1:02:42] sangha, which is horrible negative

[1:02:46] karma. I better go tell them

[1:02:49] that they should stop

[1:02:51] stealing ice cream from the sangha or

[1:02:55] stop stealing whatever they stole,

[1:02:59] lettuce.

[1:03:01] >> [laughter]

[1:03:03] >> But they went in the refrigerator and

[1:03:06] got it themselves.

[1:03:09] You know.

[1:03:11] And this one, they had chores to do,

[1:03:15] they didn't do them.

[1:03:18] Yeah, they just sloughed it off.

[1:03:21] Didn't show up to do their chores. They

[1:03:24] knew somebody else would come along and

[1:03:27] do it.

[1:03:28] Oh, that person, they're always acting

[1:03:32] like that.

[1:03:33] >> [sighs]

[1:03:35] >> Oof, I can't stand it. You know, they're

[1:03:39] corrupting the sangha.

[1:03:44] Yeah? Have you ever get like that?

[1:03:50] Everybody is now looking down. Who me?

[1:03:55] Who me? A few people are

[1:03:58] owning it. Yes, I do.

[1:04:02] Yeah, yeah, it happens.

[1:04:05] Okay, just malice arises when distorted

[1:04:10] attention projects or exaggerates

[1:04:14] the unattractive qualities of a person

[1:04:17] or an object.

[1:04:19] Okay? So, as with the other hindrances,

[1:04:21] first step is noting it,

[1:04:25] letting it go,

[1:04:27] and returning to the meditation

[1:04:29] object you're that you started out with.

[1:04:33] So, that's the first antidote to apply.

[1:04:37] Okay?

[1:04:39] But, if we don't notice it right away,

[1:04:43] you know, if we could pick it up right

[1:04:45] away and go, "Okay,

[1:04:47] I'm being critical, you know, calm down

[1:04:50] mind." Then, you can stop it. But, if

[1:04:54] our our judgmental critical mind has

[1:04:57] taken off,

[1:04:58] and we are,

[1:05:00] you know,

[1:05:02] we have the judge, the jury, the

[1:05:04] prosecutor all in our mind. This person

[1:05:07] is arrested, they are prosecuted, they

[1:05:10] are condemned.

[1:05:12] Yeah.

[1:05:13] It's It's all happening in your mind,

[1:05:15] right? Yeah. You're the DA, you're the

[1:05:19] judge, you're the prison guard. Yeah,

[1:05:22] lock them up.

[1:05:24] Yeah. Look what they're doing.

[1:05:29] Yeah.

[1:05:32] So, that's why we have to notice it when

[1:05:34] it's small, so we can stop that.

[1:05:38] But, if it persists, make it the object

[1:05:41] of mindfulness, observing how it affects

[1:05:45] the mind. So, you don't observe the

[1:05:48] object that you're critical and upset

[1:05:51] with and angry with.

[1:05:53] You're observing the attitude of anger

[1:05:56] and malice.

[1:05:59] Okay. Like with the first step, you're

[1:06:01] not observing the object you're attached

[1:06:04] to, you're observing the attachment, the

[1:06:08] desire.

[1:06:10] Yeah, so make sure you got the right

[1:06:12] object when you're doing mindfulness.

[1:06:17] >> [snorts]

[1:06:17] >> Okay.

[1:06:18] So, if it persists, make it at the

[1:06:21] object of mindfulness, observing how it

[1:06:24] affects the mind.

[1:06:26] Okay. So, how does

[1:06:29] How does malice and resentment affect

[1:06:32] your mind?

[1:06:36] Mhm.

[1:06:51] Yeah, it's on.

[1:06:52] Yeah.

[1:06:54] Um

[1:06:58] Yeah, it's on. No, it's on. Okay.

[1:07:00] Um so,

[1:07:02] what first happens is um

[1:07:05] uh like you said, the the judge and

[1:07:08] jury, you know, make the case, but then,

[1:07:11] um, it's that inappropriate attention

[1:07:14] where anytime the person comes into my

[1:07:17] sight, it starts the whole trial again,

[1:07:20] again, again, again. And, um, it's

[1:07:23] pollutes the mind so terribly. It's so

[1:07:26] miserable.

[1:07:27] >> It's just miserable.

[1:07:28] >> Yeah, [snorts] it is, isn't it?

[1:07:31] When you're angry, resentful, judging

[1:07:34] someone, are you happy?

[1:07:36] Oh, good, I get to hate somebody. I'm

[1:07:40] [laughter] just

[1:07:41] overwhelmed with joy. No, you know,

[1:07:45] we're quite miserable. And like she

[1:07:47] said, every time you think of that

[1:07:50] person, you don't even have to see them,

[1:07:52] you just think of them.

[1:07:54] And instantly,

[1:07:57] that fire

[1:07:59] comes up. And it could be over something

[1:08:02] that happened years and years and years

[1:08:05] ago.

[1:08:07] Doesn't even have to be something that

[1:08:09] happened recently.

[1:08:11] But it could be something from years

[1:08:13] ago, you think about that.

[1:08:18] Yeah.

[1:08:19] Cuz you haven't made peace with it. You

[1:08:22] haven't forgiven.

[1:08:24] >> [clears throat]

[1:08:25] >> Yeah.

[1:08:26] That's what we're going to talk about on

[1:08:28] the Sunday talk.

[1:08:30] Yeah, about forgiveness, letting go of

[1:08:33] our anger and resentment.

[1:08:36] Okay.

[1:08:38] If it resists making it make it the

[1:08:41] object of mindfulness, observing how it

[1:08:43] affects the mind.

[1:08:45] Malice and resentment come from within

[1:08:48] us.

[1:08:49] Others are only the canvas on which we

[1:08:52] paint our disparaging

[1:08:55] projections.

[1:08:58] Ain't that true?

[1:09:02] Yeah.

[1:09:04] They're just doing what they're doing.

[1:09:07] And we

[1:09:09] paint all of our critical

[1:09:13] projections on them. Look how You know,

[1:09:16] it may start out over one thing. Yeah,

[1:09:19] they didn't say good morning to you.

[1:09:22] You know, I'm so offended they didn't

[1:09:24] say good morning. Yeah. Then they walk

[1:09:27] past me later on in the day and they

[1:09:30] didn't even acknowledge me.

[1:09:34] Yeah.

[1:09:35] And then we're standing in the food line

[1:09:39] and they burped. Oh, they can't do

[1:09:42] anything right. You know, don't they

[1:09:44] know that's impolite?

[1:09:47] And [snorts] then oh, they took

[1:09:50] so much of the gooey, whatever it was,

[1:09:55] >> [laughter]

[1:09:55] >> yeah, that I wanted.

[1:09:58] They have all the gooey stuff.

[1:10:01] Yeah.

[1:10:02] And I wanted some of it. Yeah.

[1:10:07] They took it all. And all of a sudden

[1:10:10] this person cannot do anything right.

[1:10:14] Have you noticed that?

[1:10:16] Everything they do is wrong. How they

[1:10:19] walk is wrong. How they say hello is

[1:10:22] wrong. How they

[1:10:25] Everything is wrong and everything they

[1:10:27] say is stupid.

[1:10:30] Yeah. They can't say anything that makes

[1:10:33] sense.

[1:10:34] Yeah, they're just horrible, horrible,

[1:10:37] horrible. Yeah, you notice that? We

[1:10:40] Yeah, we

[1:10:41] paint that all on somebody. Yeah.

[1:10:44] They're just going along reading their

[1:10:47] leading their lives.

[1:10:50] Yeah.

[1:10:51] You are now public enemy number one.

[1:10:56] Yeah, I don't understand

[1:10:59] the Lone Ranger and Tonto after you.

[1:11:03] >> [laughter]

[1:11:06] >> Yeah.

[1:11:08] Yeah?

[1:11:09] >> They don't know what the Lone Ranger is.

[1:11:10] >> What?

[1:11:11] >> [laughter]

[1:11:18] >> They don't know what the Lone Ranger is.

[1:11:20] >> They don't know. You don't know who the

[1:11:22] Lone Ranger is?

[1:11:25] You do?

[1:11:27] How old are you?

[1:11:28] >> Uh 49.

[1:11:30] >> You're too young to know what the Lone

[1:11:32] Ranger is.

[1:11:32] >> Syndication.

[1:11:33] >> Oh, okay. You had an older sibling.

[1:11:37] No?

[1:11:38] >> No.

[1:11:38] >> No? Okay. Yeah. The Lone Ranger. Yeah.

[1:11:44] And Tonto. They're going to you know,

[1:11:46] they're the righteous ones.

[1:11:49] Or wasn't it Who was There was some guy,

[1:11:51] too. Earl?

[1:11:53] Earl?

[1:11:55] >> Wyatt Earp.

[1:11:56] >> Wyatt Earp. That's it.

[1:11:58] >> [laughter]

[1:11:59] >> Yeah.

[1:12:03] >> [laughter]

[1:12:05] >> I'm going to send Wyatt Earp after you.

[1:12:12] Yeah.

[1:12:13] >> [laughter]

[1:12:16] >> Yeah. [gasps] We have to have a little

[1:12:18] generational fun around here. But you

[1:12:21] know Wyatt Earp. Yeah.

[1:12:24] He's only 49. I mean, he knows them all.

[1:12:27] Okay. [laughter]

[1:12:28] Or we'll send Father from Father Knows

[1:12:31] Best.

[1:12:33] Yeah. No?

[1:12:35] You don't want him to go out. Yeah. Or

[1:12:38] Perry Mason.

[1:12:41] >> [snorts]

[1:12:41] >> Perry Mason. You know You know who Perry

[1:12:44] Mason is?

[1:12:45] Yeah. Kind of. Yeah.

[1:12:47] Perry Mason. He He was a lawyer who

[1:12:51] always won his cases. He figured out who

[1:12:55] the bad guy was.

[1:12:57] Even if one guy was on trial, Perry

[1:13:00] Mason found out who really did it.

[1:13:04] Yeah.

[1:13:06] So, this is what we do.

[1:13:09] Yeah, in our our own way.

[1:13:12] Yeah.

[1:13:15] Okay.

[1:13:18] So, malice and resentment come from

[1:13:20] within us. Others are only the blank

[1:13:23] canvas on which we paint our disparaging

[1:13:27] projections.

[1:13:30] The direct antidote to malice is

[1:13:32] loving-kindness,

[1:13:34] which of course is the last thing you

[1:13:36] want to have toward somebody you're mad

[1:13:38] at.

[1:13:39] Loving-kindness, forget it.

[1:13:42] Yeah, but it is the antidote.

[1:13:45] So, this is why I think

[1:13:48] personally speaking, I cannot go to

[1:13:51] loving-kindness

[1:13:53] immediately. I have to go to Shantideva.

[1:13:56] You know, okay, so what does Shantideva

[1:14:00] say?

[1:14:01] Oh, it's the result of my own negative

[1:14:05] karma.

[1:14:07] Okay, the other person isn't the major

[1:14:11] culprit. It's my own negative actions.

[1:14:18] That's really humbling.

[1:14:20] Yeah, I I find that

[1:14:22] saying that to myself really works quite

[1:14:25] well, cuz not only do I have to stop the

[1:14:28] anger, but it makes me humble.

[1:14:31] Yeah, [snorts]

[1:14:32] cuz it's so clear I am projecting

[1:14:37] blame on somebody when I'm the one who

[1:14:42] who created the principal cause for it.

[1:14:46] Okay. So, you know, try that or try any

[1:14:50] any I mean, Shanti gave us tons of

[1:14:52] things

[1:14:53] to contemplate. So, use one of those.

[1:14:58] Okay. Daily meditation on

[1:15:01] loving-kindness is an effective way to

[1:15:04] gradually chip away at the judgmental

[1:15:07] angry mind.

[1:15:09] So, you have to do it every day.

[1:15:12] You know, not just

[1:15:15] loving-kindness, but the kindness of

[1:15:18] others cuz if you think about the

[1:15:21] kindness of others towards yourself,

[1:15:24] then it's very easy to have an

[1:15:27] affectionate kind feeling in return.

[1:15:31] Yeah.

[1:15:33] When our irritation is directed towards

[1:15:35] an inanimate thing, for example, a

[1:15:38] device that malfunctions,

[1:15:41] reflect that the object is simply a

[1:15:44] combination of elements that arose due

[1:15:47] to causes and conditions.

[1:15:51] So, I wish that I had known

[1:15:54] that technique or maybe not

[1:15:58] um

[1:15:59] when I worked in my job that I worked

[1:16:03] during my

[1:16:05] senior year and my maybe my junior year,

[1:16:09] too, in college. So, I was a research

[1:16:12] assistant for somebody doing research on

[1:16:16] marijuana.

[1:16:18] Okay? And we had, you know, and so

[1:16:21] people came in four times. One time they

[1:16:24] smoked a joint and they smoked and got a

[1:16:27] drink that were placebos.

[1:16:30] One time they got alcohol and the other

[1:16:33] things were placebos. One time

[1:16:37] they got THC, liquid THC. The others

[1:16:41] were placebos. One time they didn't get

[1:16:44] anything.

[1:16:45] Okay? [snorts]

[1:16:46] So, they were in there. Then we had to

[1:16:48] test their reflexes.

[1:16:51] Yeah.

[1:16:52] So, there was this machine. It was

[1:16:56] you know, kind of like a It was a metal

[1:16:59] machine. It wasn't so big, maybe. Yeah,

[1:17:03] like as wide as this and as long as

[1:17:05] this. And somebody sits down and then

[1:17:09] they

[1:17:10] you show them different things and they

[1:17:13] have to click buttons, you know, to

[1:17:17] identify what it is. And And so, it

[1:17:19] tests your reactions.

[1:17:22] Yeah, cuz especially if somebody's

[1:17:24] intox- intoxicated and they're driving,

[1:17:27] you want to know how quickly they can

[1:17:29] react. So, it was a test for that. So,

[1:17:34] we had this machine that did that when

[1:17:36] it worked. And sometimes there were

[1:17:39] there was somebody who's stoned, who's

[1:17:42] drunk, who whatever, having to do this

[1:17:45] test and the machine

[1:17:48] didn't want to work.

[1:17:50] Okay?

[1:17:52] So,

[1:17:54] I tried

[1:17:55] they kind of tip-

[1:17:59] kicking it, just a light little tap.

[1:18:02] Boom.

[1:18:04] >> [laughter]

[1:18:04] >> And it actually worked.

[1:18:07] Yeah, it worked. It The machine worked

[1:18:09] after that. I don't know if that worked

[1:18:12] every time it broke down. But, you know,

[1:18:15] you can get mad at a machine, can't you?

[1:18:18] I mean, when your car you're in a hurry

[1:18:20] and the car doesn't work.

[1:18:22] Yeah, or you get a flat tire

[1:18:25] on the highway.

[1:18:27] That's fun, isn't it?

[1:18:29] Yeah.

[1:18:31] >> [clears throat]

[1:18:31] >> Very easy to get mad at a

[1:18:34] at a inanimate object. So, the antidote

[1:18:38] is to see that it is just something that

[1:18:41] arose out of causes and conditions. It's

[1:18:45] many parts that came together.

[1:18:48] And that's all it is. There's nothing in

[1:18:51] it that is

[1:18:53] inherently antagonizing you because it

[1:18:56] doesn't like you.

[1:18:59] Yeah.

[1:19:05] So,

[1:19:06] remember that next time the fire

[1:19:09] suppression buzzer goes in the middle of

[1:19:12] a talk. Next [snorts] time the septic

[1:19:16] system doesn't work properly.

[1:19:19] Next time the What was it that blew out

[1:19:21] a couple of days Well, yesterday, the

[1:19:24] water the percolator, the water thing

[1:19:28] that

[1:19:30] What? The tea maker? The big tea maker?

[1:19:32] Yesterday, that broke. Two days ago, it

[1:19:35] was the

[1:19:37] walk-in. Yeah, the the con- conden- some

[1:19:41] part of the walk-in. You know, and we

[1:19:43] have a refrigerator full of food to feed

[1:19:46] all the people here.

[1:19:49] Did you empty the refrigerator out?

[1:19:51] The whole the big free- refrigerator?

[1:19:56] The walk-in? Oh my goodness. That must

[1:19:58] have taken forever.

[1:20:00] >> There wasn't much in there.

[1:20:01] >> What?

[1:20:02] >> [laughter]

[1:20:02] >> Or did you eat it all?

[1:20:06] >> Fortunately, there wasn't much in there.

[1:20:08] >> Really?

[1:20:09] >> Yeah.

[1:20:09] >> We filled the downstairs fridges.

[1:20:11] >> Huh. [laughter] Okay.

[1:20:13] Yeah. So, you know, you probably felt

[1:20:17] tempted to kick it.

[1:20:19] Or at least swear at it. [laughter]

[1:20:22] Yeah. But it's just a machine. It just

[1:20:25] It didn't say, "Oh, I want to make

[1:20:27] somebody else angry and upset."

[1:20:31] Yeah.

[1:20:33] It's just a bunch of parts that didn't

[1:20:35] work well.

[1:20:38] Okay.

[1:20:40] Yeah. So, good friends, suitable

[1:20:43] conversations,

[1:20:44] and guarding the sense doors help to

[1:20:47] prevent malice. [clears throat]

[1:20:49] Yeah.

[1:20:50] It's cuz and really suitable

[1:20:53] conversations are good friends because

[1:20:56] it is so easy to get together with a

[1:20:59] friend and gossip and talk about the bad

[1:21:02] things somebody else does.

[1:21:05] And that's what you do with a friend

[1:21:07] because that's why you like your

[1:21:09] friends. They agree with you when

[1:21:11] somebody else does something you don't

[1:21:13] like to harm you.

[1:21:15] So, it's that's why you like they agree

[1:21:18] with you. They side with you. And it's

[1:21:20] so easy to get into something of oh,

[1:21:23] that person does this and they don't do

[1:21:25] that. And especially if you're working

[1:21:28] in an office,

[1:21:30] you know, then people on a team can get

[1:21:34] together and like start you know, that's

[1:21:37] it's so weird. This is how sometimes

[1:21:40] groups become cohesive

[1:21:43] by criticizing the same person. You have

[1:21:46] a black sheep in your office. Everybody

[1:21:50] talks about them and the group coalesces

[1:21:54] cuz you

[1:21:55] all don't like that person.

[1:21:57] It's really rather sickening when you

[1:22:00] think about it.

[1:22:02] And yet we do it. So, that's why good

[1:22:04] friends

[1:22:05] who [clears throat]

[1:22:07] speak about with suitable conversations

[1:22:12] and then guarding our senses so we're

[1:22:14] not all always looking at people's

[1:22:17] faults

[1:22:18] and mistakes.

[1:22:21] So, that helps to prevent malice.

[1:22:24] Malice is likened to a person with a

[1:22:27] severe illness.

[1:22:29] Everything that person is given is

[1:22:32] pushed away

[1:22:34] and he finds nothing agreeable anywhere.

[1:22:38] When you're sick, how do you act?

[1:22:43] Yeah?

[1:22:44] Do you want some oatmeal? No.

[1:22:47] Yeah. Do you want some soup? No.

[1:22:51] Do you want Yeah. Do you want to go to

[1:22:53] the doctor? No.

[1:22:56] Do you want to

[1:22:57] >> [laughter]

[1:22:58] >> Yeah. Everything somebody says to you,

[1:23:01] it's it's no, isn't it?

[1:23:04] Yeah?

[1:23:05] It's like, I'm miserable. I'm sick.

[1:23:09] But I don't want to do anything about

[1:23:11] it. And that's what when we get really

[1:23:14] angry and full of malice, how how our

[1:23:17] mind gets.

[1:23:19] Everything that person does is wrong and

[1:23:23] we aren't happy about anything.

[1:23:27] Yeah. Uh this happened, I remember very

[1:23:29] clearly when I was young. You know?

[1:23:32] If my brother got in trouble, I also

[1:23:35] ducked.

[1:23:37] Yeah?

[1:23:39] Cuz when mom screamed screamed at one of

[1:23:41] us,

[1:23:42] for sure the other one would probably

[1:23:45] get it get something too, you know?

[1:23:49] So, uh yeah, that's that's the way we do

[1:23:52] the same thing.

[1:23:54] Unfortunately.

[1:23:57] Okay. So, everything that person that

[1:24:00] sick person is given is pushed away

[1:24:03] and they find nothing agreeable

[1:24:05] anywhere.

[1:24:07] Malice is abandoned upon becoming a

[1:24:10] non-returner

[1:24:12] according to the Pali tradition

[1:24:14] and at Arahatship according to the

[1:24:17] Sanskrit tradition.

[1:24:20] Okay.

[1:24:22] >> [clears throat]

[1:24:23] >> So, malice as the five hindrances are

[1:24:25] abandoned at uh non-returner, you know?

[1:24:30] Okay.

[1:24:32] As our mindfulness increases, we become

[1:24:35] aware of subtler

[1:24:37] uh levels of the hindrances.

[1:24:40] Sometimes dormant levels that have not

[1:24:43] been recognized get stirred up.

[1:24:48] >> [laughter]

[1:24:50] >> Yeah, ever happened to you? You think,

[1:24:52] "Oh, I'm getting a really I'm getting a

[1:24:55] handle on this particular hindrance

[1:24:58] right now." And then what happens?

[1:25:01] Something happens and your mind goes

[1:25:04] right down the wrong path again.

[1:25:08] Yeah?

[1:25:10] Okay, [snorts]

[1:25:11] sometimes dormant levels that have not

[1:25:14] been recognized get stirred up.

[1:25:17] Somebody who is usually easygoing may

[1:25:20] find layers of anger and resentment they

[1:25:24] didn't know they had.

[1:25:26] That's true, isn't it?

[1:25:29] Yeah? Have you ever been surprised at

[1:25:32] what you get angry at? And like, "I

[1:25:34] didn't realize I was still angry about

[1:25:37] that."

[1:25:38] And there you were, you know?

[1:25:41] Someone who is generally active and

[1:25:43] alert may find themselves dull and

[1:25:46] sleepy.

[1:25:48] Anybody else? Yeah?

[1:25:51] Doubts that we thought we had resolved

[1:25:54] or that we didn't know we had suddenly

[1:25:57] plague us.

[1:25:59] We think, "Oh, you know, my practice is

[1:26:02] going so nice. I don't have doubts about

[1:26:04] such and such a topic." And then whammo.

[1:26:09] Yeah?

[1:26:10] And this is the way it is. And this is

[1:26:12] why resilience is important and applying

[1:26:16] the antidote is important.

[1:26:18] Making these hindrances the object of

[1:26:21] mindfulness is a skillful way to diffuse

[1:26:25] them as well as to learn about ourselves

[1:26:28] and the workings of our mind.

[1:26:31] Okay, [clears throat]

[1:26:32] so when we

[1:26:34] notice an affliction, put our

[1:26:36] mindfulness on it, then we learn a lot

[1:26:39] about how our own mind thinks.

[1:26:42] Yeah?

[1:26:43] And so this is really helpful cuz

[1:26:46] sometimes we are really out to lunch. We

[1:26:49] aren't aware of

[1:26:51] our hindrances. We aren't aware of how

[1:26:54] our own mind thinks.

[1:26:57] So this is a good way to become aware.

[1:27:01] Okay, so let's pause here.

[1:27:07] Yeah? Questions? Comments?

[1:27:16] Uh-huh.

[1:27:29] >> Uh, earlier it was talking about

[1:27:33] See if I can find it.

[1:27:36] Sensual desire and attachment as if they

[1:27:38] were very different things. And I just

[1:27:40] wonder

[1:27:41] what what would be the relationship or

[1:27:42] how are they different? How are they

[1:27:44] same? How are they different?

[1:27:45] >> Yeah, I think I think in many ways

[1:27:48] they're the same. I mean,

[1:27:50] they function in the same way.

[1:27:52] Sensual desire more

[1:27:55] implies

[1:27:57] objects, people, possessions, things

[1:28:01] like that.

[1:28:02] Attachment in general,

[1:28:05] uh attachment to reputation,

[1:28:09] attachment to praise.

[1:28:11] Yeah, we'll praise you here.

[1:28:14] Yeah.

[1:28:15] But

[1:28:17] you know, we can get attached to a lot

[1:28:19] of things like that that are not

[1:28:22] particular objects.

[1:28:28] Uh-huh.

[1:28:31] >> [snorts]

[1:28:37] >> Just a quick comment. I really

[1:28:39] appreciate how you and His Holiness have

[1:28:42] gone into such detail with each of these

[1:28:44] hindrances.

[1:28:46] And I see that my understanding

[1:28:48] >> [snorts]

[1:28:48] >> prior to this experience has been quite

[1:28:50] superficial. I'll be honest. And now

[1:28:53] there's something really meaty. Well,

[1:28:55] that's not the right word. Something

[1:28:56] very

[1:28:58] >> in-depth

[1:28:59] >> in-depth to work with. So, [laughter]

[1:29:01] thank you.

[1:29:03] >> Yeah.

[1:29:04] Yeah, it's nice, isn't it? I mean,

[1:29:07] really

[1:29:08] pointing out specifically how to deal

[1:29:11] with these hindrances.

[1:29:13] Yeah.

[1:29:14] >> And also hearing how you specifically

[1:29:16] work with them, too. And well, that's

[1:29:18] very helpful. So, thank you for that.

[1:29:19] >> Uh-huh.

[1:29:21] Well, will you see in my behavior how I

[1:29:24] work with them or what how I don't work

[1:29:26] at them?

[1:29:28] What?

[1:29:31] Huh? Who did this?

[1:29:34] No, I don't scream.

[1:29:44] That I snarl. No, I don't snarl, either.

[1:29:48] Yeah.

[1:29:51] >> Well, just from

[1:29:52] Theravada perspective, I have to say

[1:29:54] that what I've seen here is basically no

[1:29:57] different than the teachings I know and

[1:30:00] how I teach.

[1:30:01] >> Yeah.

[1:30:01] >> It's it's basically spot on. It's very

[1:30:04] detailed and very good.

[1:30:06] >> Yeah.

[1:30:06] >> Yeah.

[1:30:07] >> Oh, we got approval from the Theravada

[1:30:10] Bhikkhu. Whoopee!

[1:30:13] >> [laughter]

[1:30:14] >> Wow! You think the Mahayana's okay, huh?

[1:30:18] >> I have no problems with the Mahayana.

[1:30:19] >> Oh, that's good. You must be a good guy

[1:30:22] then. You agree with me.

[1:30:24] >> [laughter]

[1:30:25] >> Well, this is a primary practice of

[1:30:27] mine. It's one that from a early time I

[1:30:30] really fell into and

[1:30:33] I was really excited to come here to see

[1:30:35] what would be similar, what would be

[1:30:37] different and things like that.

[1:30:39] >> Yeah.

[1:30:39] >> And I heard that this is what you were

[1:30:41] covering. So

[1:30:41] >> Yeah, so yeah.

[1:30:44] It is similar. Uh-huh.

[1:30:47] >> Did His Holiness study the Pali Sutras?

[1:30:50] Like how does he know that

[1:30:52] how does he have references of when the

[1:30:54] Pali

[1:30:55] um Sutra reference when they have that?

[1:30:58] >> because he told me

[1:31:01] you know, that he wants to include the

[1:31:03] Pali Sutras in the explanations.

[1:31:07] >> So the parts where they talked about

[1:31:09] this uh it's

[1:31:12] it ceases at the non-returner. That's

[1:31:14] from you.

[1:31:15] >> Oh, no, no. And when it talks there

[1:31:17] about where it ceases, that Well, that

[1:31:21] the first part of it, you know, when it

[1:31:24] says sexual

[1:31:25] sensual desires abandoned upon becoming

[1:31:28] a non-returner. So that's talking from

[1:31:31] the Pali perspective.

[1:31:33] But it's talking only about the sensual

[1:31:38] desire that keeps you being born in the

[1:31:41] desire realm.

[1:31:43] Because the commentary to the Pali Sutra

[1:31:46] says it's totally eliminated at

[1:31:48] Arhatship.

[1:31:50] >> But but that part is from you and not

[1:31:52] from His Holiness.

[1:31:54] >> Um

[1:31:56] I don't I can't remember. It might be

[1:31:58] me, it might be His Holiness.

[1:32:01] Yeah, cuz he's he is familiar with how

[1:32:05] you know, things when you when you study

[1:32:07] Shamatha and Vipassana.

[1:32:09] It talks about these things.

[1:32:12] Yeah, so I can't remember exactly.

[1:32:15] What it is. Yeah.

[1:32:18] But whatever it is, he wanted it in the

[1:32:21] book.

[1:32:22] Yeah, [laughter]

[1:32:23] so it's in the book.

[1:32:27] Yeah, but when we get to volume six,

[1:32:31] yeah, courageous compassion, the second

[1:32:34] half of that volume is talking about the

[1:32:37] paths and stages.

[1:32:40] And so it goes into I think the Pali

[1:32:43] perspective and the Sanskrit

[1:32:45] perspective, which are actually fairly

[1:32:47] similar.

[1:32:49] Yeah.

[1:32:50] Yeah, very similar, so.

[1:32:55] Okay, other things?

[1:32:57] Yeah.

[1:32:58] >> [snorts]

[1:33:05] >> I think probably the most difficult

[1:33:07] thing is guarding our senses.

[1:33:09] >> Mhm.

[1:33:10] >> I just can't help myself most of the

[1:33:12] time.

[1:33:13] You know, what is auditory or visual is

[1:33:16] huge for me. Not so much my nose or what

[1:33:18] I hear, but my eyes. So

[1:33:21] I try to guard the mind from attachment

[1:33:23] by guarding the senses. It's it's a huge

[1:33:26] I mean just I know living in this place.

[1:33:29] You know, I try to make offerings to the

[1:33:30] Buddhas or to offer for the

[1:33:32] incarcerated. Try to turn my mind, but

[1:33:34] I'm just so taken by the beauty of this

[1:33:36] place

[1:33:37] that I find myself gazing

[1:33:40] >> [laughter]

[1:33:40] >> and just sort of drifting off into lava

[1:33:43] land with the colors in the sky and the

[1:33:45] stars and the whatever. So

[1:33:47] >> Yeah.

[1:33:47] >> This is a hard one.

[1:33:48] >> Yeah, it is hard. But if if you enjoy it

[1:33:52] for a moment yourself and then offer it.

[1:33:56] Yeah, then you're doing exactly what

[1:33:59] he's saying. Notice it arises, making it

[1:34:02] the object of your

[1:34:05] mindfulness, and then temporarily

[1:34:09] releasing it, making an offering of it.

[1:34:13] >> [clears throat]

[1:34:15] >> Yeah.

[1:34:18] Uh-huh.

[1:34:23] I think that's the part where it gets

[1:34:25] tricky because if if I was no I mean the

[1:34:28] skies these last few days have just been

[1:34:30] glorious.

[1:34:30] >> Yeah.

[1:34:31] >> And and to really appreciate it and and

[1:34:35] appreciate the um

[1:34:37] pleasant feeling without then making

[1:34:40] myself wrong for feeling like there's I

[1:34:42] shouldn't have attachment to this.

[1:34:44] >> Yeah.

[1:34:44] >> That gets a little weird. That's where

[1:34:47] >> Yeah.

[1:34:47] But you can have the pleasant feeling

[1:34:51] and then the next moment you do

[1:34:53] something else.

[1:34:54] >> and let it go.

[1:34:55] >> Yeah.

[1:34:55] >> Be done.

[1:34:56] >> You make the offering. You

[1:34:58] give it to to the Buddhas and

[1:35:00] Bodhisattvas, to the inmates, whoever it

[1:35:03] is.

[1:35:04] And then you keep walking.

[1:35:07] Yeah.

[1:35:10] Okay.

[1:35:11] Anything else?

[1:35:13] Yeah.

[1:35:19] >> So

[1:35:20] you know what when you admire the beauty

[1:35:22] of a place and

[1:35:24] you know that just the stillness of your

[1:35:26] mind and how fortunate you are to be

[1:35:29] here.

[1:35:30] >> Um

[1:35:31] >> Is that is that not is that not quite

[1:35:33] right?

[1:35:34] >> No, that's fine.

[1:35:36] Yeah.

[1:35:37] I mean, you because you see you see the

[1:35:40] beauty, but then you think of your

[1:35:43] fortune.

[1:35:45] And when you think of your fortune

[1:35:47] to be here and to be able to learn the

[1:35:50] Dharma here and practice the Dharma.

[1:35:53] That's precious human life.

[1:35:56] You know, that's a virtuous thought.

[1:36:00] Yeah, I'm meditating on precious human

[1:36:02] life.

[1:36:04] >> Yes, and then so um often, you know,

[1:36:07] when I go back to my country, there's

[1:36:09] just a a sense of gratitude, too, that

[1:36:11] we just I live in such a fortunate

[1:36:13] place.

[1:36:14] >> Yeah.

[1:36:16] We do.

[1:36:17] >> Yeah, we do.

[1:36:17] >> We do, and we have to appreciate that

[1:36:20] because many people don't have it, and

[1:36:24] it's also in danger.

[1:36:26] And we don't know if we're going to have

[1:36:28] that circumstance our whole life.

[1:36:32] Yeah, so to really appreciate it. I

[1:36:36] mean, this is what precious the

[1:36:38] meditation on precious human life is

[1:36:40] about.

[1:36:42] Mhm.

[1:36:43] So, it's good when we feel that way.

[1:36:47] Yeah.

[1:36:51] Okay, so we'll dedicate now.

[1:36:55] Wow, we did two whole pages.

[1:37:01] But I think there's benefits through

[1:37:03] going through a text slowly.

[1:37:05] Mhm.

[1:37:11] >> May the spiritual

[1:37:13] teachers who lead me on the sacred path,

[1:37:18] and all spiritual

[1:37:21] friends who practice it,

[1:37:24] have long life.

[1:37:26] May I pacify completely all outer and

[1:37:31] inner hindrances. [singing]

[1:37:33] Grant such inspiration,

[1:37:37] I pray.

[1:37:39] May the lives of lovable

[1:37:43] spiritual mentors be stable,

[1:37:46] and their virtuous

[1:37:49] of

[1:37:50] the teachings

[1:37:51] spread in the 10 directions.

[1:37:55] May the light of Blossom's teachings

[1:37:59] dispel

[1:38:01] the darkness

[1:38:03] of the beings [singing] in the three

[1:38:06] worlds always increase.

[1:38:17] Due to this merit, may we soon attain

[1:38:21] the awakened state of Guru Buddha, that

[1:38:25] we may be able to liberate all sentient

[1:38:29] beings from their suffering.

[1:38:32] May the precious Bodhi mind not yet born

[1:38:36] arise and grow. May that born have Bodhi

[1:38:40] come, but increase forevermore

[1:38:44] in the snowy mountain pure land. You're

[1:38:47] the source of good and happiness.

[1:38:50] Powerful Tenzin Gyatso Trinley Chodrak,

[1:38:54] may you stay until samsara ends. May the

[1:38:59] deeds of explaining

[1:39:02] and practicing the Dharma,

[1:39:05] done by groups supporting the teachings

[1:39:08] and their upholders,

[1:39:12] who spread the view of dependent arising

[1:39:18] and

[1:39:19] non-violent actions in the

[1:39:22] 10 directions,

[1:39:26] and especially as Tashi

[1:39:29] Paljor in the west, flourish.

[1:39:39] Okay.

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In this teaching, Venerable Thubten Chodron calls them "our old friends" and treats them as the first category of phenomena for mindfulness practice, with sensual desire as the first example she works through. The full list is laid out in Following in the Buddha's Footsteps, which she recommends for its detailed instructions. The practice is to watch each hindrance arise rather than acting on it automatically.
Mindfulness of phenomena is the fourth of the four establishments of mindfulness, following mindfulness of body, feelings, and mind. Chodron explains that the book lists specific categories of phenomena to observe, and the five hindrances come first. The aim is to see these mental states as arising and passing rather than as fixed parts of oneself.
She argues that self-criticism sets a short-term bar that is impossibly high and leads practitioners to conclude they are hopeless. She says this is unfair to oneself and that the path works through steady effort over time. She calls the self-critical reflex useless and offers the aspiration "someday I will be" as an alternative.
It is the fourth volume of the Library of Wisdom and Compassion, co-authored by Venerable Thubten Chodron and His Holiness the Dalai Lama. The teaching draws on it for the section on mindfulness of phenomena, including the five hindrances on pages 377 and 378. The book also draws on Theravada perspectives and Pali sutras in its explanations, according to Chodron.
In this teaching, the session opens with recitations of refuge, the generation of bodhicitta, and offerings, with students visualizing a merit field of holy beings. Chodron presents this as setting the motivation for the whole talk, so that listeners see their study as benefiting all sentient beings. She also includes a recitation honoring the Dharma protectors of the Abbey.
Chodron's guidance in the talk is to bring the mind to a specific experience, let the hindrance show itself, and observe it, almost saying "watch it arise." Choose one hindrance, notice it in an ordinary moment, and observe the story it tells before reacting. Her broader message is to avoid harsh self-judgment while doing this, since she treats self-criticism as an obstacle too.

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