Transcript
[0:00] today with where we left off, which
[0:03] seems like a long time ago, although it
[0:05] was only a week.
[0:07] Um
[0:08] you know, and we're talking about
[0:11] mindfulness of phenomena of the four
[0:13] establishments of mindfulness.
[0:16] We're on the fourth one, mindfulness of
[0:18] phenomena. And last time we read through
[0:20] kind of the introduction
[0:23] to that, and then um they listed the
[0:26] different categories of things
[0:29] that you specifically practice
[0:31] mindfulness of.
[0:33] And uh the first category is our old
[0:37] friends,
[0:39] the five hindrances.
[0:42] Yeah, we know these guys well.
[0:46] You know, and um
[0:49] yeah.
[0:51] But it's
[0:53] the way of meditating on these is really
[0:56] quite good, you know, and uh
[0:59] I highly recommend it because
[1:02] the the instructions in the book are
[1:04] very, very helpful, you know.
[1:08] So, let me find where we are.
[1:15] Okay.
[1:20] So, on page 377
[1:24] at the bottom, where it says mindfulness
[1:27] of the five hindrances.
[1:30] But [snorts] we will start out I'm well,
[1:32] I'm remembering.
[1:34] Yeah, I'm remembering. With our
[1:36] recitations, so remember to visualize
[1:39] the merit field,
[1:41] and you're surrounded by all sentient
[1:43] beings.
[1:44] >> [snorts]
[1:45] >> And we're leading them in taking refuge
[1:47] and generating bodhicitta.
[2:09] >> To the teacher who doubt and send it
[2:10] destroy all the skunk for destroy
[2:13] completely and follow your wake and one
[2:15] perfect in knowledge and good
[2:17] one kind of bliss no of the world spring
[2:20] guide of beings to be tamed teacher of
[2:23] gods and humans to you the Buddha doubt
[2:25] and send it destroy glorious conquer
[2:28] Shakyamuni at prostrate make offerings
[2:30] and go for refuge when he was one human
[2:34] who was born on the same
[2:35] day seven strides and said I'm supreme
[2:37] in this world to you who are wise then I
[2:40] bow with your bodies forms supremely
[2:43] fine wisdom and emotion like a golden
[2:46] mountain fame that blazes in the three
[2:49] worlds winner of the best spring guide
[2:51] to you I bow with the supreme signs face
[2:54] like a small
[2:56] color like gold to you I bow you are
[2:59] immaculate the three worlds are not
[3:01] incomparable wise one to you I bow great
[3:04] compassion and protector all knowing
[3:07] teacher field of merit and good
[3:09] qualities vast as an ocean to the
[3:13] through purity freeing from attachment
[3:16] through virtue freeing from the lower
[3:18] realms unique supreme ultimate reality
[3:22] to the Dharma that is peace I bow having
[3:25] freed themselves showing the path to
[3:27] freedom to well established in the
[3:30] trainings the holy field endowed with
[3:33] good qualities to the Sangha I bow
[3:36] do not commit any non virtuous actions
[3:39] perform only perfect virtuous actions
[3:42] subdue your mind completely this is the
[3:45] teaching of the Buddha a star a mirage a
[3:48] flame of a lamp an illusion a drop of
[3:50] dew a bubble
[3:52] a dream flash of lightning, of cloud, of
[3:55] sea condition things as such, through
[3:57] this mirror it may send him beings
[3:59] sustain the state of all sufferings of
[4:02] the old ones, and be delivered from the
[4:05] ocean of
[4:06] existence perturbed by the waves of
[4:08] aging, sickness, and death.
[4:12] >> This ground
[4:15] anointed [singing]
[4:17] with perfume,
[4:20] flowers
[4:22] strewn [singing]
[4:23] Mount Meru,
[4:26] four lands, sun and [singing] moon,
[4:32] imagined
[4:35] as a
[4:36] Buddha land and offered to you, may
[4:42] all beings [singing]
[4:45] enjoy
[4:48] this pure land.
[4:52] Venerable [singing]
[4:53] holy gurus,
[4:59] in the space of your [singing] truth
[5:03] body,
[5:06] from [singing] billowing
[5:08] clouds of your wisdom and love, let fall
[5:14] [singing] the rain of the profound and
[5:19] extensive
[5:20] >> [singing]
[5:21] >> Dharma,
[5:23] in whatever form is suitable for
[5:27] subduing
[5:29] >> [singing]
[5:31] >> sentient
[5:33] beings.
[5:40] I take refuge until I have awakened in
[5:43] the Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha.
[5:46] By merit I create by listening to the
[5:50] Dharma, I will attain Buddhahood in
[5:55] order to benefit all sentient beings. I
[5:59] take refuge until I have awakened in the
[6:03] Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha. By
[6:06] the merit I create by listening to the
[6:10] Dharma, I will attain Buddhahood in
[6:15] order to benefit all sentient beings. I
[6:18] take refuge until I have awakened in the
[6:23] Buddha, the Dharma, and the Sangha. By
[6:26] the merit I create by listening to the
[6:30] Dharma, I will attain Buddhahood in
[6:35] order to benefit all sentient beings.
[6:41] >> [snorts]
[8:19] >> So, let's cultivate our motivation.
[8:23] So, in the evening chat, we pray, we pay
[8:27] homage to the Dharma protectors of
[8:31] Sravasti Abbey.
[8:33] We recite that three times.
[8:37] So,
[8:39] the way I've come to think about that,
[8:43] so the first time
[8:45] we're paying homage to the
[8:47] transcendental
[8:49] Dharma protectors, those who are Aryas,
[8:53] who have realizations of the Dharma,
[8:58] and who are fully capable of protecting
[9:02] the teachings.
[9:04] And the teachings need to be protected
[9:08] um from our own defilements, our own
[9:13] afflictions,
[9:15] and they need
[9:17] to be protected from external
[9:19] hindrances,
[9:20] war, for example,
[9:23] bigotry, and so on.
[9:28] Then the second level that I'm thinking
[9:31] of Dharma protectors for the Abbey
[9:35] are our teachers.
[9:38] Yeah, Geshe Kelsang Dorje, Geshe Geshe
[9:41] Samdup, Namgyal Rinpoche,
[9:44] um
[9:46] Geshe
[9:47] the Abbot of
[9:49] Drepung Loseling.
[9:52] All these people
[9:54] who
[9:55] >> [laughter]
[9:55] >> are really masters of the Dharma who
[9:58] come here and teach us.
[10:01] Cuz they're passing the Dharma on to us,
[10:03] that's protecting the Dharma.
[10:07] And then,
[10:09] the third
[10:11] group of Dharma protectors must be us.
[10:16] Because we have received the teachings
[10:20] and in order to pass them down, we have
[10:24] and share them with others, we have to
[10:26] practice them.
[10:29] So, whenever we are practicing, we are
[10:32] protecting the teachings in our own mind
[10:37] and then
[10:38] at some time later when we can be a
[10:41] benefit to other sentient beings,
[10:45] the teachings are there in our practice
[10:49] and we can share them.
[10:53] So, let's
[10:56] make this a long-term
[10:58] project,
[11:01] you know, to protect and preserve these
[11:05] amazing teachings that we
[11:08] have had the fortune in this life
[11:11] to encounter and hopefully hopefully in
[11:15] all future lives to encounter the
[11:18] Buddhist teachings.
[11:20] And with that kind of motivation, then
[11:23] let's share the teachings this evening.
[11:42] >> So when we're listening to teachings,
[11:46] yeah,
[11:47] uh we should have a very expansive
[11:50] attitude and not just think,
[11:53] "I'm listening to them so that I can
[11:55] have something to practice, so that
[11:57] they'll can
[11:58] they can help my mind."
[12:00] Yes, we're one person, that's good. We
[12:03] listen to the teachings, you know, to
[12:06] learn them, to help our own mind.
[12:09] But it's because of what all the Buddhas
[12:12] and Bodhisattvas who came before us did
[12:16] that we have the opportunity to meet the
[12:19] teachings.
[12:20] And they had a very expansive
[12:23] motivation.
[12:25] Not just to
[12:26] practice it and realize it themselves,
[12:29] but to be able to pass it down, to share
[12:32] it with other people.
[12:35] Yeah. So it's important that we have
[12:38] that motivation, too. We may not be, you
[12:42] know, or I guess I should speak for
[12:43] myself, I am not a Bodhisattva or Buddha
[12:46] now.
[12:47] But we can have that aspiration.
[12:51] And
[12:53] what the way I think about it is someday
[12:57] I will be.
[12:59] Okay?
[13:00] I don't have to like beat myself up
[13:02] because I don't have those realizations
[13:05] and blah blah blah now.
[13:07] But I can say someday
[13:10] I will.
[13:12] Yeah. Someday. I don't know when.
[13:16] Yeah. And there's there's no um
[13:19] you know, set date. There's no
[13:22] expectation.
[13:23] There's no uh oh, I've got to do it by
[13:26] this date and this time.
[13:29] But just to know we're practicing in the
[13:32] long term and sometime
[13:35] we will have these realizations.
[13:39] Yeah? And then that gives us
[13:42] the confidence
[13:44] and the ability to keep going.
[13:47] You know? And to be resilient even when
[13:51] we face difficulties.
[13:54] So this thing about resiliency came up
[13:57] at the conference, and I think it's so
[14:00] important, you know, because
[14:03] in our culture we tend to get so down on
[14:08] ourselves.
[14:09] You know, I can't do this and I can't do
[14:12] that and I'm studying the the qualities
[14:16] of the great Bodhisattvas on the 10
[14:18] Bhumis and the five paths and I don't
[14:21] even have one of them or a fraction of
[14:25] one of them and you know, I'm just what
[14:28] am I doing?
[14:30] I'm listening to the teachings and
[14:33] I don't know, I don't know, you know,
[14:34] I'm a hopeless idiot is the usual
[14:37] conclusion.
[14:39] Yeah. And that's not really very fair.
[14:44] That's not fair to ourselves. Okay?
[14:48] Because
[14:49] what we're looking very short term and
[14:52] we're setting a bar that's like sky
[14:56] high. You know, oh, I have to realize
[14:59] this by
[15:02] you know, that time.
[15:04] And that's not how practicing the path
[15:07] works.
[15:09] Yeah?
[15:10] We have to just keep it is it came out
[15:14] during the the program, putting one foot
[15:17] in front of the other.
[15:19] And slowly
[15:21] we get there.
[15:23] Yeah. And then we also save ourselves
[15:28] all this junk of self-criticism.
[15:32] Yeah, which is useless.
[15:35] And when we think, what are the Dharma
[15:37] protectors having to protect us from?
[15:41] Yeah, this attitude of giving up on
[15:45] ourselves.
[15:47] Of saying, I'm not qualified. I can't do
[15:50] it. It's too hard. It's too high.
[15:55] Yeah.
[15:56] So, that's what we need the protection
[15:59] against because we so often become our
[16:03] own worst enemy by putting ourselves
[16:06] down.
[16:08] Yeah.
[16:09] And this is not how the great masters
[16:12] practiced.
[16:14] Yeah. So,
[16:16] you know, and and yes, we go through ups
[16:19] and downs. This came up a lot in the
[16:21] program. You know, oh yes, my practice
[16:24] is going along very well and then crash,
[16:27] bang, boom, you know. And it's like, oh,
[16:30] I can't do anything. I
[16:33] completely messed this up. I you know, I
[16:36] came close to breaking a root precept.
[16:39] You know, I didn't but I came close and
[16:41] then blah blah whoo whoo whoo
[16:45] and you know, and we go down. And this
[16:48] whole quality of resilience is so
[16:51] important.
[16:53] You know, because samsara
[16:56] is like this. And you know, whether you
[16:59] practice the Dharma or don't practice
[17:02] the Dharma,
[17:03] we're on a we're yo-yos.
[17:07] And we're on that merry-go-round on our
[17:10] little horseys. You know, your little
[17:12] horseys that go up and down and up and
[17:16] down.
[17:18] And that that means that's samsara.
[17:20] And so we have to learn to not get so
[17:24] high that we're like
[17:27] and not and when we have hit a rough
[17:31] spot to just say, "Yeah, it's there.
[17:35] Yeah, but I'm continuing on." And so we
[17:39] have the spirit of resilience to
[17:42] continue on. Yeah? And eventually we
[17:46] will get there.
[17:48] Mhm.
[17:51] Okay.
[17:54] So, mindfulness of the five hindrances.
[17:58] These are the things Oh, I have so many
[18:02] of them, all five of them to the nth
[18:05] degree. I'm worse than anybody else.
[18:10] Yeah?
[18:15] My five hindrances,
[18:18] oh, they're
[18:20] I [snorts]
[18:21] have double hindrances, you know? Yeah.
[18:25] To the nth power and and
[18:29] Okay.
[18:31] Okay, enough drama. But this is the way
[18:34] our mind is, isn't it? We are dramatic
[18:38] with ourselves when we get into that. I
[18:40] can't do anything right.
[18:46] Okay. So, here's what His Holiness says.
[18:50] The five hindrances, do you remember
[18:53] what they are?
[18:55] Yeah, we have them every day. Yeah, you
[18:58] should remember them.
[19:00] First one?
[19:01] >> Sensual desire.
[19:03] >> Sensual desire. Second one?
[19:05] >> Malice.
[19:06] >> Malice.
[19:08] Oh, third one?
[19:10] >> Lethargy and sleep.
[19:11] >> Lethargy and sleepiness. Yes.
[19:15] Fourth one?
[19:16] >> Restlessness and regret.
[19:18] >> Restlessness and regret or remorse.
[19:22] Yeah. And the last one?
[19:25] >> Deluded doubt.
[19:26] >> Yeah, deluded doubt.
[19:29] Okay. So, we are champions in these
[19:33] five. Okay? And they make us miserable.
[19:37] So, rather than being friends with them,
[19:40] we should
[19:42] say, "You. You.
[19:45] Get out of here."
[19:47] Yeah.
[19:48] Okay.
[19:49] So, the five hindrances, sensual desire,
[19:52] malice, lethargy and sleepiness,
[19:55] restlessness and regret, and doubt were
[19:58] explained in the higher training in
[20:00] concentration in chapter seven.
[20:04] Here,
[20:05] yeah, so there they were explained in
[20:07] the context of interfering with
[20:10] generating concentration.
[20:12] Here, they're explained as objects of
[20:16] mindfulness.
[20:18] Okay, so it's a different way of looking
[20:19] at them. The Establishments of
[20:22] Mindfulness Sutta
[20:24] gives a four-step process to abide
[20:28] contemplating phenomena as phenomena.
[20:32] And this is the first group of phenomena
[20:35] that we're going to contemplate.
[20:37] So, four-step process to abide
[20:40] contemplating phenomena as phenomena in
[20:43] terms of the five hindrances. So, first
[20:47] we're going to use the example of
[20:49] sensual desire.
[20:51] Yeah. Anybody here who doesn't have
[20:53] that?
[20:57] Okay. So, the first of the four steps is
[21:01] understand when sensual desire is
[21:04] present in you and when it is absent.
[21:09] Okay?
[21:11] So,
[21:13] can we pick it up when it's present?
[21:16] When it's really big, you bet.
[21:20] When it's just starting and it's small,
[21:22] can we pick it up?
[21:27] That's much harder.
[21:30] Much harder, okay?
[21:33] Um
[21:37] And how often do we
[21:40] cuz this is not just observing it when
[21:43] it's there,
[21:44] but noting also when it's absent. How
[21:48] often do you note, "Oh, I don't have
[21:50] sensual desire right now."
[21:55] Yeah, cuz most of the time we don't.
[22:00] Yeah, we don't. So, you know,
[22:03] particularly sexual desire or the
[22:06] sensual desire can go to all five, but
[22:09] particularly
[22:11] a sexual desire. And allow me, yes, he
[22:15] he used to say,
[22:17] "Oh,
[22:18] you know,
[22:19] I hear from people that, 'Oh, you know,
[22:23] being celibate is unnatural.'
[22:26] But when you look at 24 hours in a day,
[22:29] he said,
[22:30] 'Most of the day we're celibate, aren't
[22:32] we?'" [laughter]
[22:37] Yeah?
[22:38] And he's right. So, I think it's good to
[22:42] know notice that, you know, sensual
[22:45] desire is absent right now.
[22:48] Ah, this is what it feels like. It feels
[22:51] so much nicer, doesn't it?
[22:55] Okay.
[22:56] So, when we do not know that a hindrance
[22:59] has arisen, we will be unaware of its
[23:02] effects on our thoughts, mood, speech,
[23:06] and actions. So, that's why the first
[23:10] step is to know when it a hindrance has
[23:14] arisen.
[23:15] Cuz otherwise,
[23:18] it takes over our mind and we follow it.
[23:21] Okay.
[23:22] To counteract this,
[23:25] when a hindrance interrupts meditation,
[23:28] note its presence,
[23:30] release it, and return your focus to the
[23:34] primary meditation object. So, that's
[23:37] the first way to oppose it.
[23:40] Just notice it.
[23:42] Come back to your meditation object, you
[23:46] know, release it, come back to your
[23:48] meditation object, and continue on.
[23:53] How often are you successful doing that?
[24:00] Sometimes?
[24:02] Hardly ever?
[24:05] Yeah.
[24:06] It depends how soon we notice it. When
[24:09] we don't notice it, then it can take a
[24:12] long time.
[24:14] Yeah. And then that thing of simply
[24:16] saying, "Oh, it's here. Let's go back to
[24:19] my object." I don't know about you, but
[24:22] my object has definitely switched. Yeah.
[24:26] I can't easily go back. And
[24:31] for
[24:32] personally, particularly,
[24:34] I have to understand why
[24:38] a certain hindrance is non-virtuous or
[24:42] why it's
[24:44] uh what its disadvantages are.
[24:47] Yeah. Because if I don't understand
[24:50] those, then I don't have the oomph
[24:52] to
[24:54] yeah, to let it go.
[24:56] Okay.
[24:57] So, to counteract this, when a hindrance
[25:00] interrupts meditation, yeah, the first
[25:03] way to try and deal with it is notice
[25:06] presence, release it, and return your
[25:09] focus to the primary meditation object.
[25:12] If the hindrance persists,
[25:16] temporarily switch mindfulness from your
[25:20] meditation object to observe the
[25:23] hindrance, making it the meditation
[25:26] object.
[25:28] Okay. So, here you're
[25:31] placing mindfulness
[25:34] to observe and learn about, in this
[25:38] case, sensual desire. So, it's not place
[25:41] your mind on sensual desire and get it
[25:44] all revved up and follow all of your
[25:47] daydreams. It's like, "Okay, this is
[25:51] what
[25:52] desire feels in my body. This is what it
[25:56] feels like in my mind. This is how it
[25:59] influences my moods.
[26:02] This is how it influences
[26:05] my speech.
[26:08] This is how it influences how I move my
[26:11] body."
[26:15] Okay.
[26:16] Because,
[26:18] you know, when there's desire in the
[26:20] in the mind, it influences us, doesn't
[26:23] it? Yeah, when we don't catch it, how
[26:26] does it influence your your mood?
[26:30] Kind of like, "Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh,
[26:33] ooh. Hmm,
[26:36] yeah, who's that good-looking person
[26:38] over there?"
[26:40] Yeah.
[26:41] How does it influence your speech?
[26:45] "Oh, I think I'll go talk to them."
[26:48] "Yeah, I'll do my walking meditation
[26:51] nearby them."
[26:53] Yeah, and then we can just chat.
[26:57] Yeah,
[26:57] >> [laughter]
[26:58] >> afterwards.
[26:59] How does it influence what you do with
[27:01] your body?
[27:03] Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You walk in a
[27:06] certain way displaying your You move
[27:09] your hands. What do you do with your
[27:12] eyes? You, you know, meet their eyes
[27:15] with a certain kind of look. Look, not a
[27:18] hello look, but a
[27:22] >> [laughter]
[27:25] >> Yeah, it influences it, doesn't it?
[27:30] Yeah.
[27:31] And if we're careful, we can watch when
[27:33] we do it.
[27:34] And of course, we can watch when other
[27:36] people do it.
[27:38] And this is why we have to point it out
[27:40] when we see our Dharma friends speaking
[27:43] or acting like this. Yeah.
[27:46] Because boy, once you get on the roller
[27:49] coaster of desire, uh
[27:52] Yeah.
[27:54] Yeah, there was something happened last
[27:56] week on a roller coaster that something
[27:59] malfunctioned and
[28:01] somebody fell off and hit other people
[28:04] when he was falling off.
[28:07] So, you know, yeah, this is what happen.
[28:09] You get on the roller coaster of sensual
[28:11] desire, you know, and you
[28:14] can fall off and damage other people
[28:17] when you're doing it.
[28:20] Okay.
[28:23] So, observe how it feels in your body
[28:27] and mind.
[28:30] Yeah, the body reacts when there's
[28:34] sensual desire in the mind. You know,
[28:37] how does it feel in your mind? Maybe you
[28:40] wake up a little bit more.
[28:42] Yeah.
[28:44] Okay, watch it arise,
[28:48] and subside.
[28:51] Yeah. Note if it is constant or if it
[28:55] fluctuates in intensity.
[28:59] Now, that's interesting. Yeah, when you
[29:02] have that desire energy, is it constant?
[29:08] Or does sometime it get greater,
[29:11] sometimes it gets lesser?
[29:14] Yeah, we usually say go it just gets
[29:16] greater, greater, greater. But sometime
[29:19] you get distracted from thinking about
[29:21] your sensual desire.
[29:24] Yeah.
[29:25] Like that that good-looking person, you
[29:27] know, just fell down and smashed his
[29:30] nose. That's like, "Oh, you know,
[29:34] not so interesting now."
[29:36] >> [laughter]
[29:40] >> Yeah.
[29:43] So
[29:44] >> [laughter]
[29:45] >> Yeah, so your desire goes down, yeah.
[29:49] Then, you know, so it does. It Yeah, so
[29:52] what? Does it increase in intensity?
[29:55] Does it decrease? Okay.
[29:59] >> [snorts]
[29:59] >> Well, watch it as it arise, watch as it
[30:02] as it subsides a little bit.
[30:05] Okay.
[30:06] Observing a hindrance in this way
[30:09] weakens its strength.
[30:11] Because instead of jumping in and
[30:13] following it, you're standing back and
[30:17] observing it.
[30:19] Yeah, with your mindfulness placed on
[30:22] it,
[30:23] you know, and this is how it feels, this
[30:25] is is how it influences me.
[30:29] After the hindrance ceases, observe the
[30:31] change in your feelings and mood.
[30:35] Yeah, after that sensual desire goes
[30:38] down,
[30:39] it's kind of a release, isn't you know,
[30:41] a relief, isn't it?
[30:43] As say, "Okay, body." So, you know,
[30:46] "Slow down."
[30:48] Okay.
[30:50] Then the second point of the four
[30:52] points,
[30:53] understand the causes for sensual desire
[30:57] to arise.
[30:59] So, what causes it to arise? What's your
[31:01] experience?
[31:05] >> Seeing somebody, contact with the
[31:08] senses.
[31:09] >> What kind of contact?
[31:11] >> For me, visual.
[31:13] >> What?
[31:14] >> Visual or auditory.
[31:16] >> Visual or auditory. So, seeing somebody,
[31:19] somebody hearing their voice.
[31:22] Yeah?
[31:23] >> It's proliferation, my story about that
[31:25] object and what it means to me. Like, if
[31:27] I've had that chocolate before, I see it
[31:29] and bam, I want it because I know
[31:32] pleasant feelings have come many times
[31:33] before.
[31:34] >> Yeah. Yeah, you start dreaming about all
[31:37] the pleasant feelings that are going to
[31:39] come.
[31:40] With no obstacle.
[31:43] Yeah. Yeah, no obstacle. Just
[31:46] so many pleasant feelings. What else
[31:48] happens?
[31:53] How do you know when it does arise? What
[31:55] caught when what or I should say what
[31:57] causes it to arise?
[32:00] How about media?
[32:04] Yeah? You look at the newspaper, you
[32:06] look at advertisements
[32:09] on billboards. You look at TV.
[32:16] Yeah?
[32:17] They're always selling something and
[32:19] they always have these incredibly
[32:21] good-looking people doing it.
[32:24] Yeah? And who looks like those
[32:26] good-looking people besides nobody?
[32:30] Because they're all
[32:32] brush dry airbrush. Yeah?
[32:35] So, they don't even look like
[32:37] themselves. But we look at that and we
[32:39] go
[32:41] you know.
[32:43] And I want to look like one part of it
[32:46] and find somebody who looks like the
[32:48] other part.
[32:50] You know.
[32:52] >> [laughter]
[32:54] >> Okay.
[32:56] >> [snorts]
[32:57] >> So we have to observe
[33:00] uh sensual desire arises as a result of
[33:04] contact with an attractive object, a
[33:07] person,
[33:09] a place.
[33:10] Yeah. So person, um it happened What did
[33:15] it do? A few times ago when I was giving
[33:19] something online and there were people
[33:22] here. Yeah. And there was one guy who
[33:25] was the one online doing it and some
[33:28] people were saying, "Oh, he looks like
[33:29] just like my ex-boyfriend."
[33:32] Yeah.
[33:34] Yeah. [laughter]
[33:36] I said, "Do you remember that?"
[33:37] >> EML.
[33:38] >> Was that EML? Yeah.
[33:42] So yeah. Oh god.
[33:45] You know, and it was somebody from
[33:47] another country they've never met who
[33:50] who I was doing the teachings for their
[33:52] group. But you know, they Oh, he looks
[33:55] just like my old boyfriend. Yeah. Then
[33:58] it you know, desire arises. Place. You
[34:01] go to a place where you know, you
[34:05] you know, the nostalgic
[34:07] place. Oh, where you first fell in love.
[34:12] Yeah.
[34:14] Yeah, you don't look happy.
[34:16] No.
[34:17] >> [laughter]
[34:19] >> Yeah. Yeah, with that face nobody's
[34:22] going to have sensual desire for you.
[34:25] [laughter]
[34:26] That's good? Oh, okay.
[34:31] >> [laughter]
[34:32] [snorts]
[34:33] >> Okay, it can arise with possessions. We
[34:36] see possessions. Somebody has something,
[34:40] you know, or you're walking in the
[34:43] downtown, you're walking in the store,
[34:46] and you see something like instantly,
[34:50] oh, I want that.
[34:52] Yeah, I want that. I saw that
[34:55] advertised. I want it.
[34:58] Yeah.
[34:59] And desire comes up. Or you go into shop
[35:03] for groceries, you feel like having
[35:05] cookies.
[35:07] Yeah, this was this what happened to me
[35:09] after my first meditation course. Okay?
[35:13] >> [snorts]
[35:14] >> I went into the grocery store to shop,
[35:17] and I thought, I want some cookies, and
[35:20] I went to the cookie aisle.
[35:23] You know, after hearing Lama Zopa the
[35:26] evil thought of the eight worldly
[35:28] concerns, attachment to the happiness of
[35:30] this life,
[35:32] and
[35:33] I'm standing there and like,
[35:36] what kind of cookies do I want?
[35:40] Well, during most of the course, I
[35:43] dreamed about chocolate chip,
[35:45] but now, I don't feel like chocolate
[35:48] chip, I feel like another kind. Which
[35:51] kind do I feel like?
[35:53] You know, and I'm looking at all of
[35:57] these cookies on this side and on this
[36:00] side of the aisle.
[36:02] And I don't know how long I stood there
[36:05] because I couldn't decide which one I
[36:08] felt like eating.
[36:11] >> [cough]
[36:13] >> Yeah.
[36:17] So.
[36:18] >> What?
[36:19] >> Did you choose one?
[36:24] >> Did you choose one? I can't remember.
[36:28] >> [laughter]
[36:29] >> I must have, but I can't remember what I
[36:33] chose.
[36:35] And I might not have, too.
[36:38] Yeah.
[36:39] Cuz I was just like
[36:43] >> [laughter]
[36:43] >> you know, what's going on here?
[36:46] >> [snorts]
[36:47] >> Okay.
[36:49] So, sensual desire arises out of
[36:52] contact, as a result of contact with an
[36:55] attractive object, a person, place,
[36:58] possession, and so forth.
[37:01] From this arises distorted attention.
[37:06] This is another one of our good friends,
[37:10] which projects or exaggerates its
[37:13] desirable qualities.
[37:16] So, we pay attention to the object,
[37:19] and because it's we think it's
[37:21] attractive, we have a pleasant feeling
[37:24] from it, and then our mind starts
[37:27] proliferating.
[37:30] Yeah, I want it. When I get it, then
[37:32] I'll feel like this.
[37:35] And this will happen, and that will
[37:37] happen. Okay? And we start our creative
[37:41] writing story
[37:43] of all the wonderful things we're going
[37:45] to get out of having that object.
[37:52] Okay. So, this triggers
[37:55] um the exaggeration and projection
[37:58] triggers sensual desire, and attachment
[38:02] for the object arises.
[38:05] Okay? [snorts] Attachment also arises
[38:08] from not guarding our senses,
[38:11] from gazing at attractive people.
[38:15] You're in the airport, and like
[38:23] Yeah.
[38:25] Okay.
[38:26] You know, you you
[38:28] gazing at attractive people, looking in
[38:31] store windows.
[38:33] Do you remember during your ordination
[38:36] then afterwards we they took us on the
[38:40] walk through
[38:42] um
[38:42] Taichung.
[38:44] Uh
[38:45] they you know, we are collecting
[38:47] offerings. Yeah, we walk with your
[38:50] offering bowl and people put you know,
[38:52] they would put money in it mostly. Okay.
[38:56] But after being at the monastery
[38:59] cuz this was at the end so we had been
[39:01] at the monastery for like
[39:04] five and a half weeks. So this was at
[39:06] the very end.
[39:08] For me just going into town and we you
[39:12] know, we were doing this walk all all of
[39:15] us lined up. You try and keep your eyes
[39:18] down but you're in the city. You have to
[39:20] look at where you're going cuz the
[39:22] sidewalk isn't always even.
[39:25] And it was so disturbing.
[39:27] You know? Not just that I wasn't that I
[39:31] saw so many desirable things but there
[39:34] were just so many things.
[39:38] Yeah, so many things. Every window was
[39:43] filled with stuff.
[39:46] You know, in a store desired to you
[39:49] know, to sign to instigate sensual
[39:53] desire.
[39:55] Yeah.
[39:56] So it was really kind and then
[39:58] fortunately it began to rain
[40:01] and uh yeah.
[40:03] That that that cured the desire a
[40:06] little.
[40:06] >> [laughter]
[40:08] [snorts]
[40:09] >> Okay, so attachment also rises from not
[40:13] guarding our senses. Gating gazing at
[40:16] attractive people, looking in store
[40:19] windows, reading advertisements.
[40:23] Yeah, sometimes you just read the news.
[40:28] Yeah, and of course
[40:31] you know, the people who are speaking
[40:34] the news.
[40:35] Yeah, some of them are are very good
[40:38] looking. Some of them aren't. Yeah, but
[40:43] yeah,
[40:44] you get that. Okay.
[40:48] Socializing with people who talk about
[40:51] desirable objects,
[40:53] uh who talk about desirable objects and
[40:55] people also triggers desire.
[41:00] Yeah.
[41:01] And when you think about I don't know
[41:03] how much you guys have been following
[41:05] there's a big story about Cornell
[41:08] University
[41:09] because there was one undergraduate
[41:12] student, I think she was a sophomore,
[41:15] and she went to a frat party
[41:18] and she was raped. Not by one guy.
[41:23] Yeah.
[41:24] But it started out with two guys and
[41:27] then one of them sent a message out to
[41:30] all the other frat boys.
[41:34] You know, there's free beep beep beep if
[41:37] you come to such and such a room right
[41:39] now.
[41:42] And some more guys came.
[41:45] Not the whole frat house, but a few of
[41:47] them came. And she was raped even more.
[41:52] Yeah, and so just just that little
[41:56] message free [snorts]
[41:59] and they use you know, a vulgar name for
[42:02] woman's general genitals, you know, free
[42:05] this at such and such a a room.
[42:08] Yeah, and these guys read that and it's
[42:11] like, oh yippee, I want this, you know,
[42:14] and a few of them went and so all
[42:17] together seven of them
[42:21] seven frat boys, yeah, and a couple of
[42:25] them were expelled from the college, a
[42:28] couple were on suspension.
[42:31] But the the university didn't follow
[42:34] through
[42:36] with really doing a complete
[42:38] investigation into what happened.
[42:41] So the woman after a couple of weeks,
[42:44] you know, she went and she really
[42:48] complained and said, I know for sure I
[42:50] was raped. Yeah, and this actually
[42:54] happened a few years ago,
[42:56] but now it's coming out.
[42:59] And so all those guys, nobody none of
[43:03] them have been indicted yet.
[43:06] But they could be.
[43:09] So you know, one evening of just, you
[43:13] know, come to this room for free beep
[43:17] beep.
[43:19] Yeah, that's all, you know, desire
[43:22] arose, they followed it, they could wind
[43:25] up in prison because of it.
[43:29] Yeah.
[43:30] So it's like
[43:34] you got to be careful with sensual
[43:37] desire. It's it's tricky.
[43:41] And so anyway, so there's a big thing
[43:43] about it, Cornell cuz it's an Ivy League
[43:46] school and here's these frat boys doing
[43:49] that. And then something came out
[43:52] University of Chicago, which is a very
[43:56] high-ranking school. Also a bunch of
[43:59] frat boys did this
[44:01] to some other woman. Yeah.
[44:05] And
[44:07] Yeah, so there's some discussion in the
[44:10] press now
[44:11] of, you know,
[44:14] we thought that this came out in the
[44:16] with the Me Too movement.
[44:19] But, it didn't have
[44:22] it didn't move some minds, yeah.
[44:27] Anyway.
[44:29] Okay.
[44:30] >> [clears throat]
[44:30] >> So, attachment arises from not guarding
[44:33] our senses. You know, you read somebody
[44:37] sent that text message and you just not
[44:40] you read it and you didn't guard your
[44:42] mental sense,
[44:44] you know?
[44:45] Desire arose, off you went.
[44:49] Okay.
[44:52] So, looking in store windows, reading
[44:54] advertisements,
[44:55] socializing with people who talk about
[44:58] desirable objects like these frat boys
[45:01] do,
[45:03] and
[45:05] talking about desirable objects and
[45:07] people also triggers desire.
[45:10] You remember dear Donnie's remark
[45:13] about, you know, they they let you grab
[45:16] their
[45:18] you know, if you're rich and famous,
[45:20] something like that. Really vulgar. And
[45:23] then he just dis- dismissed it as locker
[45:27] room talk. It's just normal with guys,
[45:29] locker room talk.
[45:35] Yeah.
[45:36] So, but the pat- the point is, when
[45:39] you're around people who talk like that,
[45:42] desire gets triggered.
[45:45] Okay, so that's the second thing. The
[45:47] first one was understand when sensual
[45:50] desire is present in you and when it's
[45:53] absent.
[45:54] And then second, understand the causes
[45:57] for sensual desire to arise. And when
[46:00] you know those, then you can steer away
[46:03] from the clock the causes.
[46:06] Okay? Then the third one, understand how
[46:10] to temporarily suppress manifest sensual
[46:13] desire.
[46:16] Okay. So, you haven't done well on the
[46:19] first two. So, now you're stuck with
[46:22] manifest sensual desire. Okay.
[46:26] So, if sensual desire in particular
[46:29] sexual desire persists, contemplate its
[46:33] antidote. Which is
[46:38] the 32 parts of the body.
[46:41] And so forth.
[46:43] Yeah, but that works really well, you
[46:47] know, cuz you're switching your mind
[46:50] from that the skin
[46:53] the attractive external of the body
[46:57] to look at what is beneath the skin.
[47:01] Or what the skin looks like if you just
[47:04] peel it off and it's laid here like a
[47:08] tablecloth.
[47:12] You know, when when you see deer skin or
[47:15] sheep skin, that's what you know. But
[47:18] here you think, you know, human skin.
[47:22] You know, like somebody's skin and
[47:25] what's so beautiful about that skin when
[47:28] it's peeled off?
[47:31] Yeah. And when the teeth are pulled out
[47:35] and laid out here, how does their smile
[47:39] look then?
[47:40] Yeah, it's nice when the teeth are in
[47:42] the mouth and they smile at you, except
[47:45] her.
[47:46] Yeah. Uh
[47:50] Yeah, we'll take you to the dentist.
[47:55] Yeah, feel sorry for her.
[47:57] >> Mhm.
[47:58] >> So, um
[47:59] but
[48:02] you know, somebody's teeth when they're
[48:04] all laid out there.
[48:06] Yeah. Or I heard Master Ji Wu Can it
[48:10] when people would start inflating her
[48:13] and say, "Oh, she's very high. She's a
[48:15] Bodhisattva." She would take out her
[48:18] dentures and put them
[48:20] >> [laughter]
[48:21] >> Did she just poke them out with her
[48:22] tongue? Flash them at them?
[48:24] >> Oh, she just poke them out with her
[48:26] tongue and go mhm.
[48:27] >> [laughter]
[48:28] >> And back in?
[48:28] >> And back in and back
[48:30] back in. Yeah, and that that quenched
[48:34] the
[48:34] >> [laughter]
[48:35] >> the fascination.
[48:36] >> wasn't so great.
[48:38] >> Yeah.
[48:40] Yeah. [laughter]
[48:41] Okay. Yeah, it works. Or you imagine
[48:45] their eyeballs. You know, those
[48:47] beautiful eyes that look at you so
[48:50] lovingly. There are their eyeballs just
[48:53] lying out there.
[48:55] Beautiful?
[48:56] >> Like the bikuni. Do you Do you know that
[48:58] story?
[49:01] The man Oh, sorry.
[49:02] >> What?
[49:04] >> The the story of um
[49:06] the man was like saying that to this
[49:09] arahant bikuni, "Oh, your eyes are this
[49:12] this." And she's, "Oh, okay." And she
[49:13] takes out her eye and gives it to him.
[49:17] >> Yeah.
[49:19] Your eyes are like diamonds. Your teeth
[49:21] are like pearls. So, she flashes her
[49:23] dentures and takes out her eyes. Okay.
[49:28] Yeah.
[49:31] Okay.
[49:32] >> [laughter]
[49:33] >> So, contemplate its antidote, the 32
[49:36] parts of the body and so forth.
[49:39] For attachment to possessions, think of
[49:42] their impermanence and the problems that
[49:45] arise from
[49:47] protecting possessions.
[49:51] Yeah.
[49:53] What happens? You desire something. I
[49:56] mean, the the thing that comes so strong
[49:59] here
[50:00] that I I keep telling you is my friend
[50:02] in high school who incidentally emailed
[50:05] me last week.
[50:06] Um yeah, [snorts] he emails every year
[50:09] around my birthday
[50:11] and and he just craved for a red Porsche
[50:16] all through high school.
[50:19] Yeah, that's what I heard every Sunday
[50:22] cuz he drove me to
[50:24] we drove together to Sunday school.
[50:26] Yeah.
[50:28] So, here we are going to Sunday school
[50:31] and back and forth he's talking about
[50:33] his red Porsche. But, you know, you get
[50:36] some possession that seems wonderful
[50:40] and then it gets old, it breaks, it
[50:43] falls apart, it goes out of style.
[50:48] Yeah, he eventually got his red hot
[50:51] Porsche
[50:52] and then it was great for I don't know,
[50:55] 6 months and then it was not so
[50:57] interesting
[50:59] anymore. You get tired of it.
[51:05] Okay, so with attachment to possessions,
[51:07] think of their impermanence and the
[51:09] problems that arise from protecting
[51:12] them.
[51:14] Yeah, when you have possessions, you got
[51:17] to protect them. You go on an Indian
[51:19] train,
[51:21] you got to keep your stuff right with
[51:24] you all the time.
[51:27] Yeah, one time I was traveling then well
[51:31] Sangha Kacha and I were traveling
[51:33] together with a couple of other people
[51:35] on a train. It was an overnight train
[51:39] and we had
[51:40] we were all in second class and you
[51:43] know, and
[51:44] in the same kind of compartment
[51:46] and some guys came in, you know, a few
[51:50] um people guys came in and said, "Oh,
[51:53] our tickets say that these are our
[51:55] berths." Yeah, they're not your berths,
[51:58] they're our berths. And they come in and
[52:01] start, you know, talking and talking and
[52:03] talking and doing this and then we have
[52:06] to go and pull out our tickets and say,
[52:08] "No, these are our berths." And they're
[52:10] pulling out their tickets and finally
[52:13] they they say, "Okay, you know, we'll
[52:15] leave." And they left.
[52:18] And venerable SK went to get her prayer
[52:22] books or something
[52:24] and her backpack was gone.
[52:29] Yeah.
[52:30] Her backpack was gone.
[52:32] So, you know, whenever we have
[52:34] possessions,
[52:36] yeah, then you have to protect them.
[52:42] Yeah. No, I don't know what they did
[52:45] with her backpack.
[52:46] >> [laughter]
[52:47] >> You know, if if they read the prayers,
[52:49] maybe that would be good. They create,
[52:52] you know, some good imprints on their
[52:54] mind, but
[52:56] yeah.
[52:59] Okay.
[53:00] Consider the disappointment you
[53:02] experience when your possessions break
[53:05] or become outdated.
[53:08] You got this, you know,
[53:12] fashionable, in fashion, whatever it is,
[53:17] and then you spill spaghetti sauce all
[53:20] over it.
[53:21] Yeah.
[53:23] Yeah, and most of us thought, "Oh, we
[53:25] don't care so much about fashion. We
[53:28] just, you know, wear whatever there is.
[53:31] We don't care about fashion."
[53:33] Well,
[53:35] I remember,
[53:37] you know, being a member of the hippie
[53:39] generation,
[53:41] we looked at how many patches people had
[53:45] on their jeans.
[53:48] Yeah, do you remember this? And people
[53:52] with more patches,
[53:54] they must have traveled more. Ooh, and
[53:58] where did you get that cla- cloth?
[54:02] Yeah, and so this person must be
[54:05] interesting cuz they have more patches.
[54:10] Yeah.
[54:12] And tie-dye.
[54:14] Yeah, when tie-dye
[54:16] was in fashion. Yeah, and it's like you
[54:21] I mean, you travel you you know, you
[54:22] climb
[54:24] climb climbing mountains and doing
[54:26] things, you know, and it's like, "Wow,
[54:29] did you
[54:30] make that tie-dye shirt yourself? How
[54:33] did you do it?" You know, because it's
[54:36] like, you know, I mean, tie-dye is a
[54:39] skill and
[54:40] getting it and overlapping rings and and
[54:44] this how big they are and how you mix
[54:47] the colors and
[54:48] you know, and that was a big status
[54:51] thing.
[54:53] Yeah, how long your hair was
[54:57] for both men and women, you know, that
[55:00] was status.
[55:02] So we we didn't care about what they
[55:05] Saks Fifth Avenue, but we had our own
[55:08] status things.
[55:10] Yeah.
[55:11] And then of course, something
[55:14] it it's gets torn, it gets ruined.
[55:18] Yeah, and something new comes in style.
[55:23] Yeah, I should have
[55:26] tr-
[55:27] you know, kept those old jeans.
[55:31] Yeah, but the time I got done, they were
[55:34] almost the whole thing patched.
[55:37] Yeah.
[55:39] >> [laughter]
[55:41] >> Yeah, and my peasant [clears throat]
[55:43] blouse.
[55:45] Yeah.
[55:50] >> [clears throat]
[55:51] >> Okay.
[55:52] So,
[55:54] uh
[55:54] Think of your attachment to possessions,
[55:57] think of their impermanence, and the
[55:59] problems that arise from protecting
[56:01] possessions. Consider the disappointment
[56:05] you experience when they break or become
[56:08] outdated.
[56:11] Yeah, you just get a new chug goo.
[56:14] Yeah, finally a chug goo that fits,
[56:19] that's the right color.
[56:22] Yeah, and then what happened?
[56:25] It gets washed with something maroon
[56:29] that bleeds all over it, and now your
[56:32] chug goo is pink.
[56:35] >> [laughter]
[56:37] >> Yeah, tie-dye.
[56:39] Yeah.
[56:42] >> [laughter]
[56:44] >> Contemplate the disadvantages of
[56:47] attachment itself. His Holiness is
[56:50] giving us a lot of antidotes here.
[56:53] Okay. Contemplate the disadvantages of
[56:56] attachment itself. Desire is like a debt
[57:00] collector who follows us around saying,
[57:04] "Give me this, give me that."
[57:06] We can't freely move because the debt
[57:09] collector trails us everywhere,
[57:12] breathing down our neck and not letting
[57:15] us rest peacefully.
[57:19] And that's what attachment does to our
[57:21] lives, isn't it? When you have strong
[57:23] attachment, it really is like a debt
[57:26] collection collector, you know?
[57:30] Cuz it's I want this, give me this, give
[57:32] me that. I don't care what you have to
[57:34] do to get it. Let's do it.
[57:37] You know? And I can cover it up and
[57:39] nobody else is going to see.
[57:44] Okay?
[57:46] So, this is a good thing to, you know,
[57:48] when desire arises in the mind, think of
[57:51] it like a, you know, there's my desire,
[57:54] this debt collector breathing down my
[57:57] back.
[57:59] Not letting you move.
[58:02] Yeah.
[58:05] This is one reason why we cannot ordain
[58:09] if we have debts.
[58:11] Because the debt collector comes to the
[58:13] monastery.
[58:15] Yeah. When I was in France, they
[58:19] ordained, um,
[58:21] Nalanda ordained some young man who
[58:23] came.
[58:25] And they didn't check well, and he had
[58:27] debts, and the debt collector came to
[58:29] the monastery.
[58:33] That's not too cool, is it?
[58:36] Yeah.
[58:37] But it is like breathing down your neck,
[58:40] and you can't rest peacefully, and you
[58:43] might get other people in trouble, too.
[58:47] Okay? So, that's the third one.
[58:49] Yeah. Understand how to temporarily
[58:52] suppress manifest sensual desire. Then
[58:56] the fourth one,
[58:58] understand how to eliminate sensual
[59:01] desire completely.
[59:03] So, sensual desire is abandoned upon
[59:06] becoming a non-returner.
[59:09] So, non-returner has realized emptiness.
[59:12] They will no longer be reborn in the,
[59:15] um,
[59:16] desire realm.
[59:18] Okay? They're not out of samsara yet,
[59:20] though.
[59:21] The commentary to the Pali Sutta says
[59:25] that,
[59:26] um,
[59:26] a sensual desire is totally eliminated
[59:29] at Arahatship.
[59:31] Okay?
[59:33] Uh this is because the commentary has a
[59:36] broader definition of sensual desire,
[59:40] seeing it as any craving whatsoever, not
[59:43] just attachment to sensual objects.
[59:47] >> [snorts]
[59:47] >> According to the Sanskrit tradition, all
[59:50] hindrances are completely eradicated at
[59:53] Arahatship.
[59:56] Okay.
[59:58] Since mindfulness is applied to all five
[1:00:01] hindrances using these four steps, the
[1:00:04] remaining four hindrances will be
[1:00:06] touched on only briefly, but we will
[1:00:09] make some examples of them.
[1:00:12] Okay?
[1:00:14] So, [snorts] next one, malice.
[1:00:18] Okay.
[1:00:20] You know, when our critical, judgmental
[1:00:23] mind wakes up
[1:00:25] and says,
[1:00:27] "I'm mad at that person, or I'm jealous
[1:00:30] at that person, or look what that person
[1:00:33] is doing. Who do they think they are
[1:00:37] acting like that?"
[1:00:39] Oh.
[1:00:40] You know, we can get very judgmental,
[1:00:43] can't we?
[1:00:44] Yeah, when you're judgmental, are you
[1:00:47] happy and relaxed?
[1:00:51] No.
[1:00:53] Yeah.
[1:00:54] But we keep being judgmental.
[1:00:58] We don't say, "Oh, I'm judgmental, I'm
[1:01:00] miserable." We say, "I'm judgmental,
[1:01:03] but I'm right."
[1:01:05] Because look at how that person is
[1:01:07] acting, and they should not act like
[1:01:10] that. Definitely not.
[1:01:13] Yeah. And then, who can I tell, and how
[1:01:15] can we remedy this, and oh, this is
[1:01:18] terrible what they're doing.
[1:01:20] Yeah, we get really judgmental, don't
[1:01:23] we?
[1:01:24] Yeah, and that person, everything about
[1:01:28] them is no good.
[1:01:30] Yeah, they don't have one good quality.
[1:01:34] Look what they did. Everything ah.
[1:01:36] >> [groaning]
[1:01:39] >> Yeah, is that when you get judgmental,
[1:01:41] is that the way it works with you?
[1:01:45] Yeah, when you complain about somebody's
[1:01:48] behavior
[1:01:50] or you complain about the food, you
[1:01:53] know, but especially we get don't get so
[1:01:56] judgmental about the food. I mean, it
[1:01:59] happens, but okay, it has
[1:02:01] you know, vinegar mixed in with the
[1:02:03] sugar. I mean, I comment on it and
[1:02:05] forget it. Okay? But, a person who
[1:02:10] behaves poorly, oh,
[1:02:13] what are they doing and how dare they?
[1:02:16] And this is terrible.
[1:02:19] You know, and especially, you know, I
[1:02:22] keep good ethical conduct. Look what
[1:02:26] they're doing.
[1:02:28] Yeah, they went into the kitchen and
[1:02:32] went in the refrigerator
[1:02:34] and got something themselves.
[1:02:37] And they know that we're not supposed to
[1:02:39] do that. That is stealing from the
[1:02:42] sangha, which is horrible negative
[1:02:46] karma. I better go tell them
[1:02:49] that they should stop
[1:02:51] stealing ice cream from the sangha or
[1:02:55] stop stealing whatever they stole,
[1:02:59] lettuce.
[1:03:01] >> [laughter]
[1:03:03] >> But they went in the refrigerator and
[1:03:06] got it themselves.
[1:03:09] You know.
[1:03:11] And this one, they had chores to do,
[1:03:15] they didn't do them.
[1:03:18] Yeah, they just sloughed it off.
[1:03:21] Didn't show up to do their chores. They
[1:03:24] knew somebody else would come along and
[1:03:27] do it.
[1:03:28] Oh, that person, they're always acting
[1:03:32] like that.
[1:03:33] >> [sighs]
[1:03:35] >> Oof, I can't stand it. You know, they're
[1:03:39] corrupting the sangha.
[1:03:44] Yeah? Have you ever get like that?
[1:03:50] Everybody is now looking down. Who me?
[1:03:55] Who me? A few people are
[1:03:58] owning it. Yes, I do.
[1:04:02] Yeah, yeah, it happens.
[1:04:05] Okay, just malice arises when distorted
[1:04:10] attention projects or exaggerates
[1:04:14] the unattractive qualities of a person
[1:04:17] or an object.
[1:04:19] Okay? So, as with the other hindrances,
[1:04:21] first step is noting it,
[1:04:25] letting it go,
[1:04:27] and returning to the meditation
[1:04:29] object you're that you started out with.
[1:04:33] So, that's the first antidote to apply.
[1:04:37] Okay?
[1:04:39] But, if we don't notice it right away,
[1:04:43] you know, if we could pick it up right
[1:04:45] away and go, "Okay,
[1:04:47] I'm being critical, you know, calm down
[1:04:50] mind." Then, you can stop it. But, if
[1:04:54] our our judgmental critical mind has
[1:04:57] taken off,
[1:04:58] and we are,
[1:05:00] you know,
[1:05:02] we have the judge, the jury, the
[1:05:04] prosecutor all in our mind. This person
[1:05:07] is arrested, they are prosecuted, they
[1:05:10] are condemned.
[1:05:12] Yeah.
[1:05:13] It's It's all happening in your mind,
[1:05:15] right? Yeah. You're the DA, you're the
[1:05:19] judge, you're the prison guard. Yeah,
[1:05:22] lock them up.
[1:05:24] Yeah. Look what they're doing.
[1:05:29] Yeah.
[1:05:32] So, that's why we have to notice it when
[1:05:34] it's small, so we can stop that.
[1:05:38] But, if it persists, make it the object
[1:05:41] of mindfulness, observing how it affects
[1:05:45] the mind. So, you don't observe the
[1:05:48] object that you're critical and upset
[1:05:51] with and angry with.
[1:05:53] You're observing the attitude of anger
[1:05:56] and malice.
[1:05:59] Okay. Like with the first step, you're
[1:06:01] not observing the object you're attached
[1:06:04] to, you're observing the attachment, the
[1:06:08] desire.
[1:06:10] Yeah, so make sure you got the right
[1:06:12] object when you're doing mindfulness.
[1:06:17] >> [snorts]
[1:06:17] >> Okay.
[1:06:18] So, if it persists, make it at the
[1:06:21] object of mindfulness, observing how it
[1:06:24] affects the mind.
[1:06:26] Okay. So, how does
[1:06:29] How does malice and resentment affect
[1:06:32] your mind?
[1:06:36] Mhm.
[1:06:51] Yeah, it's on.
[1:06:52] Yeah.
[1:06:54] Um
[1:06:58] Yeah, it's on. No, it's on. Okay.
[1:07:00] Um so,
[1:07:02] what first happens is um
[1:07:05] uh like you said, the the judge and
[1:07:08] jury, you know, make the case, but then,
[1:07:11] um, it's that inappropriate attention
[1:07:14] where anytime the person comes into my
[1:07:17] sight, it starts the whole trial again,
[1:07:20] again, again, again. And, um, it's
[1:07:23] pollutes the mind so terribly. It's so
[1:07:26] miserable.
[1:07:27] >> It's just miserable.
[1:07:28] >> Yeah, [snorts] it is, isn't it?
[1:07:31] When you're angry, resentful, judging
[1:07:34] someone, are you happy?
[1:07:36] Oh, good, I get to hate somebody. I'm
[1:07:40] [laughter] just
[1:07:41] overwhelmed with joy. No, you know,
[1:07:45] we're quite miserable. And like she
[1:07:47] said, every time you think of that
[1:07:50] person, you don't even have to see them,
[1:07:52] you just think of them.
[1:07:54] And instantly,
[1:07:57] that fire
[1:07:59] comes up. And it could be over something
[1:08:02] that happened years and years and years
[1:08:05] ago.
[1:08:07] Doesn't even have to be something that
[1:08:09] happened recently.
[1:08:11] But it could be something from years
[1:08:13] ago, you think about that.
[1:08:18] Yeah.
[1:08:19] Cuz you haven't made peace with it. You
[1:08:22] haven't forgiven.
[1:08:24] >> [clears throat]
[1:08:25] >> Yeah.
[1:08:26] That's what we're going to talk about on
[1:08:28] the Sunday talk.
[1:08:30] Yeah, about forgiveness, letting go of
[1:08:33] our anger and resentment.
[1:08:36] Okay.
[1:08:38] If it resists making it make it the
[1:08:41] object of mindfulness, observing how it
[1:08:43] affects the mind.
[1:08:45] Malice and resentment come from within
[1:08:48] us.
[1:08:49] Others are only the canvas on which we
[1:08:52] paint our disparaging
[1:08:55] projections.
[1:08:58] Ain't that true?
[1:09:02] Yeah.
[1:09:04] They're just doing what they're doing.
[1:09:07] And we
[1:09:09] paint all of our critical
[1:09:13] projections on them. Look how You know,
[1:09:16] it may start out over one thing. Yeah,
[1:09:19] they didn't say good morning to you.
[1:09:22] You know, I'm so offended they didn't
[1:09:24] say good morning. Yeah. Then they walk
[1:09:27] past me later on in the day and they
[1:09:30] didn't even acknowledge me.
[1:09:34] Yeah.
[1:09:35] And then we're standing in the food line
[1:09:39] and they burped. Oh, they can't do
[1:09:42] anything right. You know, don't they
[1:09:44] know that's impolite?
[1:09:47] And [snorts] then oh, they took
[1:09:50] so much of the gooey, whatever it was,
[1:09:55] >> [laughter]
[1:09:55] >> yeah, that I wanted.
[1:09:58] They have all the gooey stuff.
[1:10:01] Yeah.
[1:10:02] And I wanted some of it. Yeah.
[1:10:07] They took it all. And all of a sudden
[1:10:10] this person cannot do anything right.
[1:10:14] Have you noticed that?
[1:10:16] Everything they do is wrong. How they
[1:10:19] walk is wrong. How they say hello is
[1:10:22] wrong. How they
[1:10:25] Everything is wrong and everything they
[1:10:27] say is stupid.
[1:10:30] Yeah. They can't say anything that makes
[1:10:33] sense.
[1:10:34] Yeah, they're just horrible, horrible,
[1:10:37] horrible. Yeah, you notice that? We
[1:10:40] Yeah, we
[1:10:41] paint that all on somebody. Yeah.
[1:10:44] They're just going along reading their
[1:10:47] leading their lives.
[1:10:50] Yeah.
[1:10:51] You are now public enemy number one.
[1:10:56] Yeah, I don't understand
[1:10:59] the Lone Ranger and Tonto after you.
[1:11:03] >> [laughter]
[1:11:06] >> Yeah.
[1:11:08] Yeah?
[1:11:09] >> They don't know what the Lone Ranger is.
[1:11:10] >> What?
[1:11:11] >> [laughter]
[1:11:18] >> They don't know what the Lone Ranger is.
[1:11:20] >> They don't know. You don't know who the
[1:11:22] Lone Ranger is?
[1:11:25] You do?
[1:11:27] How old are you?
[1:11:28] >> Uh 49.
[1:11:30] >> You're too young to know what the Lone
[1:11:32] Ranger is.
[1:11:32] >> Syndication.
[1:11:33] >> Oh, okay. You had an older sibling.
[1:11:37] No?
[1:11:38] >> No.
[1:11:38] >> No? Okay. Yeah. The Lone Ranger. Yeah.
[1:11:44] And Tonto. They're going to you know,
[1:11:46] they're the righteous ones.
[1:11:49] Or wasn't it Who was There was some guy,
[1:11:51] too. Earl?
[1:11:53] Earl?
[1:11:55] >> Wyatt Earp.
[1:11:56] >> Wyatt Earp. That's it.
[1:11:58] >> [laughter]
[1:11:59] >> Yeah.
[1:12:03] >> [laughter]
[1:12:05] >> I'm going to send Wyatt Earp after you.
[1:12:12] Yeah.
[1:12:13] >> [laughter]
[1:12:16] >> Yeah. [gasps] We have to have a little
[1:12:18] generational fun around here. But you
[1:12:21] know Wyatt Earp. Yeah.
[1:12:24] He's only 49. I mean, he knows them all.
[1:12:27] Okay. [laughter]
[1:12:28] Or we'll send Father from Father Knows
[1:12:31] Best.
[1:12:33] Yeah. No?
[1:12:35] You don't want him to go out. Yeah. Or
[1:12:38] Perry Mason.
[1:12:41] >> [snorts]
[1:12:41] >> Perry Mason. You know You know who Perry
[1:12:44] Mason is?
[1:12:45] Yeah. Kind of. Yeah.
[1:12:47] Perry Mason. He He was a lawyer who
[1:12:51] always won his cases. He figured out who
[1:12:55] the bad guy was.
[1:12:57] Even if one guy was on trial, Perry
[1:13:00] Mason found out who really did it.
[1:13:04] Yeah.
[1:13:06] So, this is what we do.
[1:13:09] Yeah, in our our own way.
[1:13:12] Yeah.
[1:13:15] Okay.
[1:13:18] So, malice and resentment come from
[1:13:20] within us. Others are only the blank
[1:13:23] canvas on which we paint our disparaging
[1:13:27] projections.
[1:13:30] The direct antidote to malice is
[1:13:32] loving-kindness,
[1:13:34] which of course is the last thing you
[1:13:36] want to have toward somebody you're mad
[1:13:38] at.
[1:13:39] Loving-kindness, forget it.
[1:13:42] Yeah, but it is the antidote.
[1:13:45] So, this is why I think
[1:13:48] personally speaking, I cannot go to
[1:13:51] loving-kindness
[1:13:53] immediately. I have to go to Shantideva.
[1:13:56] You know, okay, so what does Shantideva
[1:14:00] say?
[1:14:01] Oh, it's the result of my own negative
[1:14:05] karma.
[1:14:07] Okay, the other person isn't the major
[1:14:11] culprit. It's my own negative actions.
[1:14:18] That's really humbling.
[1:14:20] Yeah, I I find that
[1:14:22] saying that to myself really works quite
[1:14:25] well, cuz not only do I have to stop the
[1:14:28] anger, but it makes me humble.
[1:14:31] Yeah, [snorts]
[1:14:32] cuz it's so clear I am projecting
[1:14:37] blame on somebody when I'm the one who
[1:14:42] who created the principal cause for it.
[1:14:46] Okay. So, you know, try that or try any
[1:14:50] any I mean, Shanti gave us tons of
[1:14:52] things
[1:14:53] to contemplate. So, use one of those.
[1:14:58] Okay. Daily meditation on
[1:15:01] loving-kindness is an effective way to
[1:15:04] gradually chip away at the judgmental
[1:15:07] angry mind.
[1:15:09] So, you have to do it every day.
[1:15:12] You know, not just
[1:15:15] loving-kindness, but the kindness of
[1:15:18] others cuz if you think about the
[1:15:21] kindness of others towards yourself,
[1:15:24] then it's very easy to have an
[1:15:27] affectionate kind feeling in return.
[1:15:31] Yeah.
[1:15:33] When our irritation is directed towards
[1:15:35] an inanimate thing, for example, a
[1:15:38] device that malfunctions,
[1:15:41] reflect that the object is simply a
[1:15:44] combination of elements that arose due
[1:15:47] to causes and conditions.
[1:15:51] So, I wish that I had known
[1:15:54] that technique or maybe not
[1:15:58] um
[1:15:59] when I worked in my job that I worked
[1:16:03] during my
[1:16:05] senior year and my maybe my junior year,
[1:16:09] too, in college. So, I was a research
[1:16:12] assistant for somebody doing research on
[1:16:16] marijuana.
[1:16:18] Okay? And we had, you know, and so
[1:16:21] people came in four times. One time they
[1:16:24] smoked a joint and they smoked and got a
[1:16:27] drink that were placebos.
[1:16:30] One time they got alcohol and the other
[1:16:33] things were placebos. One time
[1:16:37] they got THC, liquid THC. The others
[1:16:41] were placebos. One time they didn't get
[1:16:44] anything.
[1:16:45] Okay? [snorts]
[1:16:46] So, they were in there. Then we had to
[1:16:48] test their reflexes.
[1:16:51] Yeah.
[1:16:52] So, there was this machine. It was
[1:16:56] you know, kind of like a It was a metal
[1:16:59] machine. It wasn't so big, maybe. Yeah,
[1:17:03] like as wide as this and as long as
[1:17:05] this. And somebody sits down and then
[1:17:09] they
[1:17:10] you show them different things and they
[1:17:13] have to click buttons, you know, to
[1:17:17] identify what it is. And And so, it
[1:17:19] tests your reactions.
[1:17:22] Yeah, cuz especially if somebody's
[1:17:24] intox- intoxicated and they're driving,
[1:17:27] you want to know how quickly they can
[1:17:29] react. So, it was a test for that. So,
[1:17:34] we had this machine that did that when
[1:17:36] it worked. And sometimes there were
[1:17:39] there was somebody who's stoned, who's
[1:17:42] drunk, who whatever, having to do this
[1:17:45] test and the machine
[1:17:48] didn't want to work.
[1:17:50] Okay?
[1:17:52] So,
[1:17:54] I tried
[1:17:55] they kind of tip-
[1:17:59] kicking it, just a light little tap.
[1:18:02] Boom.
[1:18:04] >> [laughter]
[1:18:04] >> And it actually worked.
[1:18:07] Yeah, it worked. It The machine worked
[1:18:09] after that. I don't know if that worked
[1:18:12] every time it broke down. But, you know,
[1:18:15] you can get mad at a machine, can't you?
[1:18:18] I mean, when your car you're in a hurry
[1:18:20] and the car doesn't work.
[1:18:22] Yeah, or you get a flat tire
[1:18:25] on the highway.
[1:18:27] That's fun, isn't it?
[1:18:29] Yeah.
[1:18:31] >> [clears throat]
[1:18:31] >> Very easy to get mad at a
[1:18:34] at a inanimate object. So, the antidote
[1:18:38] is to see that it is just something that
[1:18:41] arose out of causes and conditions. It's
[1:18:45] many parts that came together.
[1:18:48] And that's all it is. There's nothing in
[1:18:51] it that is
[1:18:53] inherently antagonizing you because it
[1:18:56] doesn't like you.
[1:18:59] Yeah.
[1:19:05] So,
[1:19:06] remember that next time the fire
[1:19:09] suppression buzzer goes in the middle of
[1:19:12] a talk. Next [snorts] time the septic
[1:19:16] system doesn't work properly.
[1:19:19] Next time the What was it that blew out
[1:19:21] a couple of days Well, yesterday, the
[1:19:24] water the percolator, the water thing
[1:19:28] that
[1:19:30] What? The tea maker? The big tea maker?
[1:19:32] Yesterday, that broke. Two days ago, it
[1:19:35] was the
[1:19:37] walk-in. Yeah, the the con- conden- some
[1:19:41] part of the walk-in. You know, and we
[1:19:43] have a refrigerator full of food to feed
[1:19:46] all the people here.
[1:19:49] Did you empty the refrigerator out?
[1:19:51] The whole the big free- refrigerator?
[1:19:56] The walk-in? Oh my goodness. That must
[1:19:58] have taken forever.
[1:20:00] >> There wasn't much in there.
[1:20:01] >> What?
[1:20:02] >> [laughter]
[1:20:02] >> Or did you eat it all?
[1:20:06] >> Fortunately, there wasn't much in there.
[1:20:08] >> Really?
[1:20:09] >> Yeah.
[1:20:09] >> We filled the downstairs fridges.
[1:20:11] >> Huh. [laughter] Okay.
[1:20:13] Yeah. So, you know, you probably felt
[1:20:17] tempted to kick it.
[1:20:19] Or at least swear at it. [laughter]
[1:20:22] Yeah. But it's just a machine. It just
[1:20:25] It didn't say, "Oh, I want to make
[1:20:27] somebody else angry and upset."
[1:20:31] Yeah.
[1:20:33] It's just a bunch of parts that didn't
[1:20:35] work well.
[1:20:38] Okay.
[1:20:40] Yeah. So, good friends, suitable
[1:20:43] conversations,
[1:20:44] and guarding the sense doors help to
[1:20:47] prevent malice. [clears throat]
[1:20:49] Yeah.
[1:20:50] It's cuz and really suitable
[1:20:53] conversations are good friends because
[1:20:56] it is so easy to get together with a
[1:20:59] friend and gossip and talk about the bad
[1:21:02] things somebody else does.
[1:21:05] And that's what you do with a friend
[1:21:07] because that's why you like your
[1:21:09] friends. They agree with you when
[1:21:11] somebody else does something you don't
[1:21:13] like to harm you.
[1:21:15] So, it's that's why you like they agree
[1:21:18] with you. They side with you. And it's
[1:21:20] so easy to get into something of oh,
[1:21:23] that person does this and they don't do
[1:21:25] that. And especially if you're working
[1:21:28] in an office,
[1:21:30] you know, then people on a team can get
[1:21:34] together and like start you know, that's
[1:21:37] it's so weird. This is how sometimes
[1:21:40] groups become cohesive
[1:21:43] by criticizing the same person. You have
[1:21:46] a black sheep in your office. Everybody
[1:21:50] talks about them and the group coalesces
[1:21:54] cuz you
[1:21:55] all don't like that person.
[1:21:57] It's really rather sickening when you
[1:22:00] think about it.
[1:22:02] And yet we do it. So, that's why good
[1:22:04] friends
[1:22:05] who [clears throat]
[1:22:07] speak about with suitable conversations
[1:22:12] and then guarding our senses so we're
[1:22:14] not all always looking at people's
[1:22:17] faults
[1:22:18] and mistakes.
[1:22:21] So, that helps to prevent malice.
[1:22:24] Malice is likened to a person with a
[1:22:27] severe illness.
[1:22:29] Everything that person is given is
[1:22:32] pushed away
[1:22:34] and he finds nothing agreeable anywhere.
[1:22:38] When you're sick, how do you act?
[1:22:43] Yeah?
[1:22:44] Do you want some oatmeal? No.
[1:22:47] Yeah. Do you want some soup? No.
[1:22:51] Do you want Yeah. Do you want to go to
[1:22:53] the doctor? No.
[1:22:56] Do you want to
[1:22:57] >> [laughter]
[1:22:58] >> Yeah. Everything somebody says to you,
[1:23:01] it's it's no, isn't it?
[1:23:04] Yeah?
[1:23:05] It's like, I'm miserable. I'm sick.
[1:23:09] But I don't want to do anything about
[1:23:11] it. And that's what when we get really
[1:23:14] angry and full of malice, how how our
[1:23:17] mind gets.
[1:23:19] Everything that person does is wrong and
[1:23:23] we aren't happy about anything.
[1:23:27] Yeah. Uh this happened, I remember very
[1:23:29] clearly when I was young. You know?
[1:23:32] If my brother got in trouble, I also
[1:23:35] ducked.
[1:23:37] Yeah?
[1:23:39] Cuz when mom screamed screamed at one of
[1:23:41] us,
[1:23:42] for sure the other one would probably
[1:23:45] get it get something too, you know?
[1:23:49] So, uh yeah, that's that's the way we do
[1:23:52] the same thing.
[1:23:54] Unfortunately.
[1:23:57] Okay. So, everything that person that
[1:24:00] sick person is given is pushed away
[1:24:03] and they find nothing agreeable
[1:24:05] anywhere.
[1:24:07] Malice is abandoned upon becoming a
[1:24:10] non-returner
[1:24:12] according to the Pali tradition
[1:24:14] and at Arahatship according to the
[1:24:17] Sanskrit tradition.
[1:24:20] Okay.
[1:24:22] >> [clears throat]
[1:24:23] >> So, malice as the five hindrances are
[1:24:25] abandoned at uh non-returner, you know?
[1:24:30] Okay.
[1:24:32] As our mindfulness increases, we become
[1:24:35] aware of subtler
[1:24:37] uh levels of the hindrances.
[1:24:40] Sometimes dormant levels that have not
[1:24:43] been recognized get stirred up.
[1:24:48] >> [laughter]
[1:24:50] >> Yeah, ever happened to you? You think,
[1:24:52] "Oh, I'm getting a really I'm getting a
[1:24:55] handle on this particular hindrance
[1:24:58] right now." And then what happens?
[1:25:01] Something happens and your mind goes
[1:25:04] right down the wrong path again.
[1:25:08] Yeah?
[1:25:10] Okay, [snorts]
[1:25:11] sometimes dormant levels that have not
[1:25:14] been recognized get stirred up.
[1:25:17] Somebody who is usually easygoing may
[1:25:20] find layers of anger and resentment they
[1:25:24] didn't know they had.
[1:25:26] That's true, isn't it?
[1:25:29] Yeah? Have you ever been surprised at
[1:25:32] what you get angry at? And like, "I
[1:25:34] didn't realize I was still angry about
[1:25:37] that."
[1:25:38] And there you were, you know?
[1:25:41] Someone who is generally active and
[1:25:43] alert may find themselves dull and
[1:25:46] sleepy.
[1:25:48] Anybody else? Yeah?
[1:25:51] Doubts that we thought we had resolved
[1:25:54] or that we didn't know we had suddenly
[1:25:57] plague us.
[1:25:59] We think, "Oh, you know, my practice is
[1:26:02] going so nice. I don't have doubts about
[1:26:04] such and such a topic." And then whammo.
[1:26:09] Yeah?
[1:26:10] And this is the way it is. And this is
[1:26:12] why resilience is important and applying
[1:26:16] the antidote is important.
[1:26:18] Making these hindrances the object of
[1:26:21] mindfulness is a skillful way to diffuse
[1:26:25] them as well as to learn about ourselves
[1:26:28] and the workings of our mind.
[1:26:31] Okay, [clears throat]
[1:26:32] so when we
[1:26:34] notice an affliction, put our
[1:26:36] mindfulness on it, then we learn a lot
[1:26:39] about how our own mind thinks.
[1:26:42] Yeah?
[1:26:43] And so this is really helpful cuz
[1:26:46] sometimes we are really out to lunch. We
[1:26:49] aren't aware of
[1:26:51] our hindrances. We aren't aware of how
[1:26:54] our own mind thinks.
[1:26:57] So this is a good way to become aware.
[1:27:01] Okay, so let's pause here.
[1:27:07] Yeah? Questions? Comments?
[1:27:16] Uh-huh.
[1:27:29] >> Uh, earlier it was talking about
[1:27:33] See if I can find it.
[1:27:36] Sensual desire and attachment as if they
[1:27:38] were very different things. And I just
[1:27:40] wonder
[1:27:41] what what would be the relationship or
[1:27:42] how are they different? How are they
[1:27:44] same? How are they different?
[1:27:45] >> Yeah, I think I think in many ways
[1:27:48] they're the same. I mean,
[1:27:50] they function in the same way.
[1:27:52] Sensual desire more
[1:27:55] implies
[1:27:57] objects, people, possessions, things
[1:28:01] like that.
[1:28:02] Attachment in general,
[1:28:05] uh attachment to reputation,
[1:28:09] attachment to praise.
[1:28:11] Yeah, we'll praise you here.
[1:28:14] Yeah.
[1:28:15] But
[1:28:17] you know, we can get attached to a lot
[1:28:19] of things like that that are not
[1:28:22] particular objects.
[1:28:28] Uh-huh.
[1:28:31] >> [snorts]
[1:28:37] >> Just a quick comment. I really
[1:28:39] appreciate how you and His Holiness have
[1:28:42] gone into such detail with each of these
[1:28:44] hindrances.
[1:28:46] And I see that my understanding
[1:28:48] >> [snorts]
[1:28:48] >> prior to this experience has been quite
[1:28:50] superficial. I'll be honest. And now
[1:28:53] there's something really meaty. Well,
[1:28:55] that's not the right word. Something
[1:28:56] very
[1:28:58] >> in-depth
[1:28:59] >> in-depth to work with. So, [laughter]
[1:29:01] thank you.
[1:29:03] >> Yeah.
[1:29:04] Yeah, it's nice, isn't it? I mean,
[1:29:07] really
[1:29:08] pointing out specifically how to deal
[1:29:11] with these hindrances.
[1:29:13] Yeah.
[1:29:14] >> And also hearing how you specifically
[1:29:16] work with them, too. And well, that's
[1:29:18] very helpful. So, thank you for that.
[1:29:19] >> Uh-huh.
[1:29:21] Well, will you see in my behavior how I
[1:29:24] work with them or what how I don't work
[1:29:26] at them?
[1:29:28] What?
[1:29:31] Huh? Who did this?
[1:29:34] No, I don't scream.
[1:29:44] That I snarl. No, I don't snarl, either.
[1:29:48] Yeah.
[1:29:51] >> Well, just from
[1:29:52] Theravada perspective, I have to say
[1:29:54] that what I've seen here is basically no
[1:29:57] different than the teachings I know and
[1:30:00] how I teach.
[1:30:01] >> Yeah.
[1:30:01] >> It's it's basically spot on. It's very
[1:30:04] detailed and very good.
[1:30:06] >> Yeah.
[1:30:06] >> Yeah.
[1:30:07] >> Oh, we got approval from the Theravada
[1:30:10] Bhikkhu. Whoopee!
[1:30:13] >> [laughter]
[1:30:14] >> Wow! You think the Mahayana's okay, huh?
[1:30:18] >> I have no problems with the Mahayana.
[1:30:19] >> Oh, that's good. You must be a good guy
[1:30:22] then. You agree with me.
[1:30:24] >> [laughter]
[1:30:25] >> Well, this is a primary practice of
[1:30:27] mine. It's one that from a early time I
[1:30:30] really fell into and
[1:30:33] I was really excited to come here to see
[1:30:35] what would be similar, what would be
[1:30:37] different and things like that.
[1:30:39] >> Yeah.
[1:30:39] >> And I heard that this is what you were
[1:30:41] covering. So
[1:30:41] >> Yeah, so yeah.
[1:30:44] It is similar. Uh-huh.
[1:30:47] >> Did His Holiness study the Pali Sutras?
[1:30:50] Like how does he know that
[1:30:52] how does he have references of when the
[1:30:54] Pali
[1:30:55] um Sutra reference when they have that?
[1:30:58] >> because he told me
[1:31:01] you know, that he wants to include the
[1:31:03] Pali Sutras in the explanations.
[1:31:07] >> So the parts where they talked about
[1:31:09] this uh it's
[1:31:12] it ceases at the non-returner. That's
[1:31:14] from you.
[1:31:15] >> Oh, no, no. And when it talks there
[1:31:17] about where it ceases, that Well, that
[1:31:21] the first part of it, you know, when it
[1:31:24] says sexual
[1:31:25] sensual desires abandoned upon becoming
[1:31:28] a non-returner. So that's talking from
[1:31:31] the Pali perspective.
[1:31:33] But it's talking only about the sensual
[1:31:38] desire that keeps you being born in the
[1:31:41] desire realm.
[1:31:43] Because the commentary to the Pali Sutra
[1:31:46] says it's totally eliminated at
[1:31:48] Arhatship.
[1:31:50] >> But but that part is from you and not
[1:31:52] from His Holiness.
[1:31:54] >> Um
[1:31:56] I don't I can't remember. It might be
[1:31:58] me, it might be His Holiness.
[1:32:01] Yeah, cuz he's he is familiar with how
[1:32:05] you know, things when you when you study
[1:32:07] Shamatha and Vipassana.
[1:32:09] It talks about these things.
[1:32:12] Yeah, so I can't remember exactly.
[1:32:15] What it is. Yeah.
[1:32:18] But whatever it is, he wanted it in the
[1:32:21] book.
[1:32:22] Yeah, [laughter]
[1:32:23] so it's in the book.
[1:32:27] Yeah, but when we get to volume six,
[1:32:31] yeah, courageous compassion, the second
[1:32:34] half of that volume is talking about the
[1:32:37] paths and stages.
[1:32:40] And so it goes into I think the Pali
[1:32:43] perspective and the Sanskrit
[1:32:45] perspective, which are actually fairly
[1:32:47] similar.
[1:32:49] Yeah.
[1:32:50] Yeah, very similar, so.
[1:32:55] Okay, other things?
[1:32:57] Yeah.
[1:32:58] >> [snorts]
[1:33:05] >> I think probably the most difficult
[1:33:07] thing is guarding our senses.
[1:33:09] >> Mhm.
[1:33:10] >> I just can't help myself most of the
[1:33:12] time.
[1:33:13] You know, what is auditory or visual is
[1:33:16] huge for me. Not so much my nose or what
[1:33:18] I hear, but my eyes. So
[1:33:21] I try to guard the mind from attachment
[1:33:23] by guarding the senses. It's it's a huge
[1:33:26] I mean just I know living in this place.
[1:33:29] You know, I try to make offerings to the
[1:33:30] Buddhas or to offer for the
[1:33:32] incarcerated. Try to turn my mind, but
[1:33:34] I'm just so taken by the beauty of this
[1:33:36] place
[1:33:37] that I find myself gazing
[1:33:40] >> [laughter]
[1:33:40] >> and just sort of drifting off into lava
[1:33:43] land with the colors in the sky and the
[1:33:45] stars and the whatever. So
[1:33:47] >> Yeah.
[1:33:47] >> This is a hard one.
[1:33:48] >> Yeah, it is hard. But if if you enjoy it
[1:33:52] for a moment yourself and then offer it.
[1:33:56] Yeah, then you're doing exactly what
[1:33:59] he's saying. Notice it arises, making it
[1:34:02] the object of your
[1:34:05] mindfulness, and then temporarily
[1:34:09] releasing it, making an offering of it.
[1:34:13] >> [clears throat]
[1:34:15] >> Yeah.
[1:34:18] Uh-huh.
[1:34:23] I think that's the part where it gets
[1:34:25] tricky because if if I was no I mean the
[1:34:28] skies these last few days have just been
[1:34:30] glorious.
[1:34:30] >> Yeah.
[1:34:31] >> And and to really appreciate it and and
[1:34:35] appreciate the um
[1:34:37] pleasant feeling without then making
[1:34:40] myself wrong for feeling like there's I
[1:34:42] shouldn't have attachment to this.
[1:34:44] >> Yeah.
[1:34:44] >> That gets a little weird. That's where
[1:34:47] >> Yeah.
[1:34:47] But you can have the pleasant feeling
[1:34:51] and then the next moment you do
[1:34:53] something else.
[1:34:54] >> and let it go.
[1:34:55] >> Yeah.
[1:34:55] >> Be done.
[1:34:56] >> You make the offering. You
[1:34:58] give it to to the Buddhas and
[1:35:00] Bodhisattvas, to the inmates, whoever it
[1:35:03] is.
[1:35:04] And then you keep walking.
[1:35:07] Yeah.
[1:35:10] Okay.
[1:35:11] Anything else?
[1:35:13] Yeah.
[1:35:19] >> So
[1:35:20] you know what when you admire the beauty
[1:35:22] of a place and
[1:35:24] you know that just the stillness of your
[1:35:26] mind and how fortunate you are to be
[1:35:29] here.
[1:35:30] >> Um
[1:35:31] >> Is that is that not is that not quite
[1:35:33] right?
[1:35:34] >> No, that's fine.
[1:35:36] Yeah.
[1:35:37] I mean, you because you see you see the
[1:35:40] beauty, but then you think of your
[1:35:43] fortune.
[1:35:45] And when you think of your fortune
[1:35:47] to be here and to be able to learn the
[1:35:50] Dharma here and practice the Dharma.
[1:35:53] That's precious human life.
[1:35:56] You know, that's a virtuous thought.
[1:36:00] Yeah, I'm meditating on precious human
[1:36:02] life.
[1:36:04] >> Yes, and then so um often, you know,
[1:36:07] when I go back to my country, there's
[1:36:09] just a a sense of gratitude, too, that
[1:36:11] we just I live in such a fortunate
[1:36:13] place.
[1:36:14] >> Yeah.
[1:36:16] We do.
[1:36:17] >> Yeah, we do.
[1:36:17] >> We do, and we have to appreciate that
[1:36:20] because many people don't have it, and
[1:36:24] it's also in danger.
[1:36:26] And we don't know if we're going to have
[1:36:28] that circumstance our whole life.
[1:36:32] Yeah, so to really appreciate it. I
[1:36:36] mean, this is what precious the
[1:36:38] meditation on precious human life is
[1:36:40] about.
[1:36:42] Mhm.
[1:36:43] So, it's good when we feel that way.
[1:36:47] Yeah.
[1:36:51] Okay, so we'll dedicate now.
[1:36:55] Wow, we did two whole pages.
[1:37:01] But I think there's benefits through
[1:37:03] going through a text slowly.
[1:37:05] Mhm.
[1:37:11] >> May the spiritual
[1:37:13] teachers who lead me on the sacred path,
[1:37:18] and all spiritual
[1:37:21] friends who practice it,
[1:37:24] have long life.
[1:37:26] May I pacify completely all outer and
[1:37:31] inner hindrances. [singing]
[1:37:33] Grant such inspiration,
[1:37:37] I pray.
[1:37:39] May the lives of lovable
[1:37:43] spiritual mentors be stable,
[1:37:46] and their virtuous
[1:37:49] of
[1:37:50] the teachings
[1:37:51] spread in the 10 directions.
[1:37:55] May the light of Blossom's teachings
[1:37:59] dispel
[1:38:01] the darkness
[1:38:03] of the beings [singing] in the three
[1:38:06] worlds always increase.
[1:38:17] Due to this merit, may we soon attain
[1:38:21] the awakened state of Guru Buddha, that
[1:38:25] we may be able to liberate all sentient
[1:38:29] beings from their suffering.
[1:38:32] May the precious Bodhi mind not yet born
[1:38:36] arise and grow. May that born have Bodhi
[1:38:40] come, but increase forevermore
[1:38:44] in the snowy mountain pure land. You're
[1:38:47] the source of good and happiness.
[1:38:50] Powerful Tenzin Gyatso Trinley Chodrak,
[1:38:54] may you stay until samsara ends. May the
[1:38:59] deeds of explaining
[1:39:02] and practicing the Dharma,
[1:39:05] done by groups supporting the teachings
[1:39:08] and their upholders,
[1:39:12] who spread the view of dependent arising
[1:39:18] and
[1:39:19] non-violent actions in the
[1:39:22] 10 directions,
[1:39:26] and especially as Tashi
[1:39:29] Paljor in the west, flourish.
[1:39:39] Okay.