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[0:00] Hey everyone, I'm Andrea Ferretti and
[0:02] this is Yogaland. Hi Jason.
[0:04] >> Hi Andrea.
[0:05] >> How's it going?
[0:06] >> Um, it's going really good.
[0:08] >> You're about to go to London.
[0:09] >> I am about to go in London. In fact,
[0:10] this episode is probably going to
[0:12] release either when we were in London or
[0:15] when we were in Italy together as a
[0:17] family. It's my first time going to
[0:19] Italy.
[0:19] >> It's so exciting. Yeah,
[0:21] >> it's Sophia's first time, too, even
[0:22] though she was in an Italian school for
[0:25] >> five years
[0:26] >> at least. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, uh before
[0:29] we get into the topic at hand, which I'm
[0:31] really excited to talk about because I
[0:33] think it we're going to focus on how to
[0:35] build your overall movement practice
[0:38] throughout the week. Um combining cardio
[0:41] and strength training and yoga.
[0:43] >> Yeah.
[0:44] >> Kind of how you can think through that.
[0:45] >> Yeah.
[0:46] >> Um which I think is very valuable. But
[0:48] before we do that, I just want to do our
[0:50] little housekeeping and what we've got
[0:52] coming up for this fall. So you are uh
[0:56] starting module three which is the
[0:59] shoulders, neck and upper back in
[1:02] November, early November. So that's
[1:04] [clears throat] on sale ready for
[1:05] enrollment. You do not have to take the
[1:07] modules in order. Um and there is is
[1:13] there a little strength component to
[1:15] this one?
[1:15] >> Yes. Okay.
[1:16] >> Yeah. So all the 300 hour teacher
[1:18] trainings this year have have additional
[1:20] components to them. They have resistance
[1:22] training components,
[1:22] >> right?
[1:23] >> Yeah.
[1:23] >> And it's also a great philosophy um
[1:26] module. I remember the wave in the
[1:28] ocean. Yeah.
[1:29] >> And then you will be launching this
[1:33] brand new course.
[1:35] >> I think it's out by the time this
[1:36] launches. Right. Right.
[1:38] >> By the time you listen to this
[1:39] >> podcast. Yes.
[1:40] >> Or watch it.
[1:41] >> Yeah.
[1:41] >> Yeah.
[1:42] >> So, it's called Strong Yoga and it's the
[1:45] fundamentals of resistance training for
[1:46] yogis. And so it's all about how to
[1:48] incorporate resistance training into
[1:51] your yoga practice.
[1:52] >> Yes.
[1:53] >> Um
[1:55] so if you want to get more information
[1:57] on that one, go to jasony
[1:58] yoga.com/strength.
[2:00] If you want to get more information on
[2:02] module 3, go to jasonyoga.com/300.
[2:07] >> Perfect.
[2:07] >> Okay.
[2:08] >> I want to start with two quick important
[2:10] caveats. Number one, if you love any one
[2:14] of these subjects, resistance training,
[2:16] aerobic conditioning, yoga, and you want
[2:19] to go deeper and spend more time in any
[2:22] one of them, of course, you can and
[2:24] should do that, right? You and I spent
[2:27] literally decades practicing yoga five
[2:30] or six days a week. And I'm really glad
[2:33] that I did that. And I don't feel like
[2:35] I'd be a subject matter as as
[2:38] knowledgeable of the subject if I didn't
[2:40] do that. Right? And so really the
[2:44] volumes of practice per week that we're
[2:46] going to talk about, I don't want to say
[2:48] that it's just maintenance, but it
[2:51] really is to optimize the benefits of
[2:54] these modalities
[2:56] without going incredibly incredibly deep
[3:00] in any one of them. Right? And then the
[3:03] second thing that I want to just really
[3:05] quickly qualify is that we're really
[3:08] just focusing on the physical dimensions
[3:10] of the practice today. We had this
[3:12] really lovely conversation recently
[3:14] about what yoga trains well and what and
[3:17] where it leaves gaps. And when we talked
[3:20] about what yoga trains well, we went
[3:22] super deep and we layered in not just
[3:24] the physical components, but the mental,
[3:26] emotional, and the spiritual components.
[3:29] I'm gonna leave a link to that episode
[3:32] in this episode as well so that you can
[3:35] go even deeper on all the the lovely
[3:38] stuff that yoga does well.
[3:39] >> Right. So for this conversation, we're
[3:41] really this is really a conversation
[3:42] about how to allocate time and presence
[3:46] to your to your movement practice.
[3:48] >> Yeah. And I get this question all the
[3:50] time, right? And I let's let's start
[3:52] with this let's start with this
[3:54] supposition that the majority of us the
[3:57] listeners are primarily yoga
[3:59] practitioners right or that or that's
[4:00] our lens that's our focus. So when we
[4:04] start to think what are the other
[4:07] dominant ways of being well, what are
[4:09] the other components of fitness that
[4:12] will complement my yoga practice? What
[4:14] are they?
[4:15] >> And then how do I all lot my time with
[4:18] yoga, resistance training, and aerobic
[4:20] activity in kind of like an idealized
[4:23] and optimized week.
[4:25] >> Okay. So I want you to lay out what they
[4:28] are and why they are important.
[4:30] >> Let's start about yoga. Let's start with
[4:32] yoga. Okay. So, yoga is just so good at
[4:38] creating and maintaining range of
[4:40] motion. And range of motion is so
[4:43] important. Range of motion is a
[4:45] combination of both flexibility and
[4:47] mobility. And there's some nuance there.
[4:49] So, we'll just throw it under the banner
[4:51] of range of motion. And everybody, it's
[4:54] so valuable to be able to move smoothly
[4:57] and skillfully throughout your life.
[4:59] It's really important.
[5:01] Second thing that jumps off the table at
[5:03] me is breath depth, breath efficiency,
[5:08] and breath awareness. In resistance
[5:11] training and in aerobic activity, you
[5:13] will improve your tidal volume, which is
[5:17] the total capacity for an inhalation and
[5:20] exhalation. like you'll improve your
[5:21] breath in those modalities for sure, but
[5:24] those modalities don't as overtly seek
[5:29] to develop our breath and our awareness
[5:32] of breath like yoga does. And it's so
[5:35] important not just for our physiology,
[5:38] but it's so important for our mental and
[5:40] emotional health to be good breathers,
[5:43] right? And then this might sound maybe
[5:47] it sounds a little bit overly broad and
[5:49] maybe it's subjective, but yoga just
[5:51] helps us feel really good. You know, it
[5:54] just it facilitates motion. It it helps
[5:58] us move and and
[6:01] use our body in a functional and
[6:04] integrated way and
[6:06] >> soothes the nervous system.
[6:08] >> Absolutely. And it meets us where we
[6:10] are. And and that isn't to say that you
[6:12] can't meet yourself where you are with
[6:14] aerobic activity and resistance
[6:16] training. You can.
[6:18] >> But yoga is just so well adapted for us
[6:22] to pay attention to ourselves and take
[6:24] care of ourselves. Like that's in a in a
[6:28] way it's one of the end goals, right? I
[6:32] think the other thing that yoga just
[6:35] helps us do in my experience more than
[6:37] anything is propriception and
[6:41] interosception. Like it just helps me be
[6:45] present physically, mentally and
[6:47] emotionally with what's happening as
[6:49] it's happening.
[6:50] >> Those other modalities kind of help me
[6:53] push through those feelings, right? But
[6:56] my yoga practice has always helped me
[6:58] just
[7:00] be with what's happening as it's
[7:03] happening and it's it's just so
[7:05] essential.
[7:06] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[7:07] >> Okay. So, yoga
[7:09] >> cardiovascular
[7:10] >> cardio people usually call cardio um is
[7:14] aerobic conditioning and yoga is not
[7:18] terrible at aerobic conditioning but
[7:20] it's not particularly well suited and we
[7:23] we talked a lot about that. talked about
[7:25] conversation what steady state
[7:28] >> conditioning is losing my words for a
[7:31] second
[7:32] >> maintaining an elevated heart rate
[7:34] within a certain zone for a certain
[7:37] period of time
[7:38] >> right
[7:39] >> and yoga just doesn't do this very well
[7:42] and it doesn't do it efficiently and it
[7:45] is incredibly important to build out our
[7:48] aerobic or our cardiovascular
[7:50] conditioning number one because it's
[7:53] unbelievably good for heart health.
[7:55] There's no single activity that is
[7:58] better for heart health than developing
[8:01] our aerobic capacity.
[8:03] >> Also, as you develop greater aerobic
[8:06] capacity, you both increase the total
[8:11] volume of your mitochondria and you
[8:13] increase the efficiency of your
[8:15] mitochondria. And a bottom line to that
[8:18] is that helps you take in and process
[8:23] oxygen more readily and it helps you
[8:27] transform that oxygen into usable
[8:30] biological energy. So essentially by
[8:32] becoming more aerobically fit you are
[8:36] making your entire system be able to
[8:40] operate much more like much more energy
[8:44] efficient
[8:45] >> right which is hugely valuable. Um, it's
[8:49] really good for our hormones and also by
[8:53] working by developing greater aerobic
[8:56] efficiency,
[8:57] you're going to improve metabolism
[9:00] across the board,
[9:02] >> right? And it's just a bottom line
[9:05] really important thing for the human
[9:07] system to develop.
[9:08] >> Yeah.
[9:09] >> Yeah.
[9:10] >> And then our last one, our last one is
[9:14] anorobic conditioning. And we're going
[9:17] to we're going to put resistance
[9:19] training in anorobic conditioning. There
[9:22] are there are other ways to do anorobic
[9:25] conditioning. You can do anorobic
[9:27] conditioning
[9:29] in in methods other than resistance
[9:32] training. But the reason that we're
[9:33] pulling resistance training out so well
[9:36] is because again, yoga and cardio don't
[9:43] do an don't do the most efficient job at
[9:46] building balanced
[9:49] whole range strength
[9:52] throughout the entire body. And building
[9:55] more strength throughout your entire
[9:57] body is incredibly mechanically
[9:59] efficient, right? helps you move
[10:03] more skillfully with less effort.
[10:06] More muscular strength is also
[10:10] mechanically protective. It helps your
[10:13] body distribute the stressors and
[10:15] distribute the loads much better both in
[10:18] daily life but also in yoga practice.
[10:21] You know, in the yoga practice, we don't
[10:23] I don't know that we think about in this
[10:24] way, but we're putting a lot of
[10:26] mechanical stress into our body in a
[10:28] yoga practice. And the stronger you are,
[10:32] the more you're able to absorb those
[10:34] mechanical stresses and distribute them
[10:36] and be safe. And so building strength is
[10:39] mechanically efficient. Building
[10:42] strength is protective. Building
[10:45] strength is also profoundly
[10:47] metabolically healthy and important,
[10:50] right? And each one of these different
[10:55] components, yoga practice at the center
[10:58] and then supported by an aerobic
[11:01] conditioning practice and a resistance
[11:02] training practice makes it so
[11:06] well-rounded. It's just so well-rounded.
[11:09] >> Yeah.
[11:10] >> Yeah. Before we continue, if you're
[11:11] watching this on YouTube, please like
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[11:15] us and it helps other people find the
[11:17] channel. Second, if you're a yoga
[11:19] practitioner and you want to learn more
[11:21] about resistance training, either for
[11:23] your own personal depth or you want to
[11:25] understand how to share some of these
[11:27] tools in your classes, then be sure to
[11:29] check out the links below for my course
[11:31] on resistance training for yogis. You
[11:33] can also find that information at
[11:35] jasonyoga.com/strength.
[11:38] Okay, enjoy the rest of this
[11:39] conversation.
[11:40] >> Okay, sounds great. I'm gonna, you know,
[11:43] be Debbie Downer here for a second and
[11:45] say I'm thinking about when I worked at
[11:48] an office, commuted to work every day,
[11:52] got home at maybe 6:30, 7:00 at night,
[11:57] got to the office first thing in the
[11:58] morning, although I was kind of a late
[12:00] start person, uh, relatively. How do you
[12:05] fit all three in? How how much time
[12:08] needs to be devoted to each one each
[12:11] component every week?
[12:13] >> You are not being a Debbie Downer. It is
[12:16] the reality. That's a lot, right? Like,
[12:18] it really is a lot. The good news is
[12:22] this. All right. Here's the here's the
[12:24] best little bit of news you're going to
[12:26] get for the day. The greatest
[12:28] improvement that you can make probably
[12:31] in anything, but the greatest
[12:32] improvement you can make in terms of
[12:36] improving your functional exercise
[12:40] capacity is going from not doing any of
[12:44] any of one of these things to doing a
[12:46] little bit of one of these things. So
[12:48] for any one of those polls, let's say
[12:52] you have a regular yoga practice, but
[12:53] you don't do any resistance training.
[12:56] When you go from doing no resistance
[12:58] training to one session per week, that's
[13:01] the greatest proportionate increase of
[13:04] improvement you can get.
[13:05] >> Okay?
[13:06] >> If you go from no cardio conditioning to
[13:09] one day per week, that's the greatest
[13:12] proportionate improvement you're going
[13:13] to get. And statistically,
[13:16] one session per week in aerobic activity
[13:21] and resistance training is measurably
[13:24] very beneficial.
[13:26] >> It's not ideal. And we'll talk about
[13:29] ideal, but I just I want to start there.
[13:31] One of those two sessions per week
[13:33] >> and the sessions being 30 minutes.
[13:35] >> Yes. Okay. Yeah. So, we'll go into that
[13:37] even more, but like one of those
[13:39] sessions per week is not nothing. Like I
[13:42] I want to make it really clear. It is
[13:43] not nothing.
[13:45] >> That's good to know.
[13:45] >> It is way better than nothing. It is not
[13:48] nearly as good as two or three. Right.
[13:51] >> Okay.
[13:52] >> So now let's think of let's let's think
[13:54] about yoga first. Okay.
[13:59] I would say that from a range of motion
[14:03] perspective, from a breath perspective,
[14:05] from a feeling good in your body
[14:07] perspective,
[14:09] three days per week is going to check
[14:12] those boxes. And also three days per
[14:16] week is
[14:18] I still think a zone where you're where
[14:21] it's not just maintenance, it's
[14:22] improvement. And we'll see this kind of
[14:24] across the board. Okay, one to two days
[14:28] per week in any one thing is kind of
[14:32] maintenance zone.
[14:34] Three days per week in any one of these
[14:37] things is not just maintenance zone.
[14:39] That's like continuing to grow and
[14:41] improve the curve zone. So if we just
[14:44] stay with yoga and we say let's just
[14:46] start with days per week, three,
[14:49] what type?
[14:51] Any type. And this is kind of
[14:53] interesting, right? Because if you were
[14:56] only going to do yoga and you weren't
[14:59] going to do any cardio and you weren't
[15:00] going to do any resistance training,
[15:02] then I'd say, okay, well, if you're
[15:03] going to just going to choose yoga and
[15:05] that's going to be it, then I would say
[15:07] do a more robust style of yoga because
[15:10] then you're going to get a little bit
[15:11] more strengthening, you're going to get
[15:13] a little bit more cardiovascular demand.
[15:16] But if you're going to be doing these
[15:18] other modalities,
[15:20] then your yoga practice can really be
[15:23] any approach because all approaches,
[15:26] whether it's yin, restorative, ha, hot,
[15:29] whatever it is, all of those are going
[15:31] to be good for range of motion. They're
[15:33] all going to be good for breathing.
[15:34] They're all going to help you feel
[15:35] better in your body. They're all going
[15:36] to train you to work together, right?
[15:40] So, three days per week, any modality.
[15:45] And I would say that somewhere between
[15:49] 20 and 60 minutes on the lower side of
[15:53] the spectrum, on the shorter side of the
[15:55] spectrum, a little probably a bit more
[15:58] towards maintenance.
[16:00] On the longer end of the spectrum, not
[16:03] as much maintenance going into growth,
[16:05] >> right? Because another way to think
[16:07] about this is if you do practice three
[16:10] days per week for 20 minutes each,
[16:14] that's in each one of those se sessions,
[16:17] you're probably not getting enough time
[16:20] to like develop much new,
[16:24] >> right?
[16:25] >> Yeah.
[16:25] >> You you're not going to be you're
[16:26] probably you know what I mean? Like you
[16:28] that's going to be maintenance. Like
[16:30] that's that's hygiene,
[16:32] >> right? Mhm.
[16:33] >> So, we can go we can think three days
[16:36] per week, but if it's on the shorter
[16:40] duration time, you're probably in
[16:42] maintenance zone, like keeping it
[16:44] together and not going crazy,
[16:46] >> right?
[16:46] >> If you can be on the longer side for any
[16:50] of any or all of those or go to a class
[16:53] or two that's 60 or 90 minutes, right?
[16:56] Or a workshop here and there, then
[16:58] you're going to be a little bit more on
[17:00] not just maintenance, but probably
[17:01] growth. Great.
[17:03] >> Yes.
[17:03] >> Okay.
[17:04] >> Yeah.
[17:04] >> So, starting so centering it around the
[17:06] yoga,
[17:06] >> let's set it around that.
[17:07] >> Three days a week, 20 to 60 minutes.
[17:09] >> Yeah. Okay.
[17:10] >> Yeah.
[17:11] >> Cardio,
[17:12] >> two to three days per week,
[17:16] 30 to 45 minutes.
[17:17] >> Okay.
[17:18] >> Two to three to two to three days per
[17:20] week.
[17:22] 30 to 45 minutes.
[17:23] >> And this is zone two where you can, if
[17:26] you're walking, carry on a conversation.
[17:29] You might be breathing heavy but you
[17:31] could carry on a conversation.
[17:32] >> Yes. So then so the nature of aerobic
[17:35] versus anorobic
[17:38] is the way in which your cellular system
[17:44] is
[17:46] is using and replenishing your
[17:50] biological energy.
[17:52] And if you are staying in more of a
[17:55] steady state, zone two or zone 3. And
[17:59] zone two or zone 3 is is it's is it's a
[18:02] different heart rate for everyone based
[18:03] on your conditioning, but with most
[18:06] wearables, you can approximate it pretty
[18:08] easily. And then zone two, you can also
[18:12] between zone two and zone three, you can
[18:14] approximate with what people will call
[18:16] RP, rate of perceived exertion. And
[18:20] that's essentially the rate where if you
[18:22] were walking with somebody, you could be
[18:25] talking to them.
[18:27] >> You might be getting like a little bit
[18:28] out of breath, but you could carry on a
[18:31] conversation
[18:33] and it wouldn't be like it wouldn't be
[18:35] do too difficult,
[18:37] >> but it wouldn't be too easy.
[18:40] >> Yeah. And in terms of the most efficient
[18:43] cardio modalities,
[18:46] it really is something where
[18:49] you can continue with a very consistent
[18:53] degree of exertion for a period of time.
[18:57] And so this is where walking, running,
[19:00] whether indoor or outdoor,
[19:03] rowing, swimming, like those are those
[19:06] are really the best candidates. And we
[19:09] talked about in the last conversation,
[19:10] but the reason that yoga, Pilates,
[19:15] resistance training aren't
[19:18] great aerobic activities. There is some
[19:21] aerobic involvement to them, but they're
[19:22] not the perfect aerobic activities
[19:25] because they have spikes and drops in
[19:29] effort,
[19:29] >> right? And so you you're really looking
[19:31] for something you want you want to be
[19:33] able to carry on the same degree of
[19:36] exertion for 30 to 45 minutes,
[19:39] >> right? It doesn't have to be super
[19:41] intense, but it does have to be steady.
[19:43] That's why it's called steady state.
[19:44] >> Yeah. And as as as like a someone like
[19:47] me who grew up skateboarding, playing
[19:51] hockey, and I've always loved the more
[19:55] rugged and intense side of physicality.
[19:58] It was really hard for me to believe and
[20:01] like really understand that going for
[20:06] a low in low to medium intensity walk
[20:08] for 30 to 40 minutes was as valuable as
[20:11] it is and it is so unbelievably
[20:14] valuable. So, your aerobic activity,
[20:19] unless you're looking at it from a
[20:20] sports performance perspective, or
[20:22] unless you unless you're looking at it
[20:25] from a you want to get like an awesome
[20:27] score and be a faster runner and post
[20:29] your Straa score and everyone's going to
[20:31] finally love you, right? You you really
[20:34] don't have to work that hard. Like, it
[20:36] does like it doesn't really have to be
[20:39] very punishing. In fact, it shouldn't
[20:41] be.
[20:42] >> Yeah.
[20:43] >> Okay.
[20:43] >> Yeah.
[20:44] >> All right. So, yoga three days a week,
[20:48] steady state cardio two to three days a
[20:50] week.
[20:52] >> Uh strength training.
[20:53] >> Strength training. And then we can talk
[20:54] a little bit about options for combining
[20:57] them.
[20:57] >> Okay.
[20:58] >> Right. Meaning meaning the like the
[21:00] order in which you which you do these
[21:02] things that might make it a little bit
[21:03] more timeefficient.
[21:05] >> Okay.
[21:05] >> Okay. Strength training. So, first I
[21:08] wanna I want to lean into this one more
[21:11] time.
[21:12] If you are not doing consistent
[21:15] resistance training,
[21:19] doing one day per week of resistance
[21:21] training can give you an incredible
[21:25] benefit.
[21:26] In fact, what the science continually
[21:29] looks at is that the
[21:33] benefit of resistance training one day
[21:37] per week is equal to 23 of the benefit
[21:41] of resistance training twice per week.
[21:44] >> H okay.
[21:45] >> Yes. So you'd think it's 50% and 50% it
[21:48] isn't. And every additional day that you
[21:52] do resistance training per week is
[21:56] proportionately
[21:57] less valuable for your body. And we can
[21:59] talk about the mechanism for that. And
[22:02] that is not the case if you are a more
[22:07] if you're if your passion is resistance
[22:10] training. If you're a powerlifter, if
[22:12] you're an Olympic lifter, if you're like
[22:14] an intermediate to advanced sport level
[22:16] weightlifter,
[22:18] then that's then you're not doing those
[22:21] things just to be well. Like you're
[22:23] that's a hobby for you, right? Then then
[22:25] the same thing with yoga. If you're
[22:27] like, but I no matter what I want to be
[22:29] able to balance and handstand and do
[22:30] this and that. Okay. So now we're
[22:32] starting to get to the level of we're
[22:34] not just doing these things to maximize
[22:37] their efficiency, but we're really doing
[22:39] these things because we're we're trying
[22:40] to garner depth in the skill itself. And
[22:44] if that's the case, then then you're
[22:47] going to have to do more resistance
[22:50] training. But one to three sessions per
[22:54] week is a really is like a really good
[22:58] zone optimized between two and three
[23:02] >> days per week.
[23:03] >> Okay.
[23:03] >> Yeah.
[23:04] >> So 20 to 30 minutes.
[23:06] >> You're probably going to need more time.
[23:08] And the reason you're going to need more
[23:10] time, this is probably the most time
[23:12] inensive thing. The reason that you need
[23:15] more time with resistance training is
[23:19] that if you are if you are starting to
[23:23] lift with slightly heavier loads,
[23:26] then ideally you have a fair amount of
[23:30] rest between your repetitions,
[23:33] excuse me, a fair amount of rest between
[23:35] your sets. And so for so I would say
[23:40] that a resistance training session is
[23:44] going to be more like 30 minutes on the
[23:47] very low end and 60 minutes a little bit
[23:50] more on the high end.
[23:52] >> Okay.
[23:52] >> But but I I think you'd be you'd be
[23:54] pretty hardressed
[23:56] to only do 20 if you were a absolute
[24:00] novice. You've really never done this.
[24:03] You want to start doing it. Yes, 20
[24:05] minutes is going to make an impact.
[24:07] Shortly thereafter, you're going to need
[24:10] more time. You're going to need more of
[24:11] that 30 to 60 minute window.
[24:13] >> Okay.
[24:14] >> Yeah.
[24:15] >> Okay, great. So, sorry, you said one to
[24:20] three days a week for strength training.
[24:22] >> Yeah.
[24:22] >> Okay.
[24:23] >> Yeah.
[24:23] >> And then do you want to talk about how
[24:25] you've kind of cobble it together for
[24:27] yourself or just like ideas for how to
[24:30] fit it all in? I
[24:31] >> I'll I will talk specifically about me,
[24:34] right? Okay. So, and and in talking
[24:37] about me,
[24:40] the idea is that you we get ideas of how
[24:42] we can legitimately and and
[24:44] realistically put these things together,
[24:46] right?
[24:47] >> So, for for me, let's think about we'll
[24:51] start with Sunday, like like a perfect
[24:53] Sunday for me or a pretty common Sunday.
[24:56] I will very typically do cardio and
[25:01] resistance training and I I will tend to
[25:03] do those together. Now again from a
[25:07] exercise science perspective if you were
[25:10] a very high level athlete
[25:12] your highle trainer would have something
[25:15] to say about the order of your
[25:17] resistance training and cardio. For a
[25:20] general population
[25:22] we're good.
[25:23] >> Doesn't matter. No, no, no, no, no. It's
[25:25] not going to matter. Like, it's just
[25:26] it's just literally not going to matter
[25:28] for a general population. Um, so what I
[25:31] like to do is go for a 45minut walk and
[25:34] then when I come home, eat a little bit
[25:37] and then I'll do 45 minutes of
[25:39] resistance training. So, that is an
[25:42] example of two things on one day. And
[25:45] and oftentimes
[25:48] because you brought up the Debbie Downer
[25:49] situation,
[25:51] I think the way that we want to think
[25:55] about this when we're more time pressed
[25:57] or if you feel overwhelmed is to put any
[26:00] two of these things together. So you
[26:04] could do resistance training and then do
[26:08] your yoga practice, right?
[26:10] >> So you could put them together, but you
[26:11] could also space them out throughout the
[26:13] day. Like you could do your resistance
[26:14] training in the morning and then take a
[26:16] walk after dinner.
[26:18] >> Absolutely. So they could be they could
[26:19] be spaced out for sure. And I but I also
[26:22] think that for a lot of people
[26:25] if you were to come home and go for a
[26:30] walk and then do a yoga practice for 30
[26:34] minutes, that's amazing. That works
[26:36] really well. that. And then what you
[26:38] might choose in that situation is a
[26:42] stronger, more demanding resistance
[26:44] training session. And then your yoga
[26:46] practice could be a softer, quieter yoga
[26:50] practice, either a restorative or a yin
[26:52] or a ha or a slow flow. Right?
[26:54] >> And so they don't they don't have to be
[26:58] the same tonal quality. You could really
[27:01] vary the tonal quality, right? So
[27:04] oftentimes for me on a Sunday, that's
[27:06] what I'll do. I'll do I'll do the walk
[27:09] and then I'll do resistance training.
[27:12] For whatever reason, I don't I I kind of
[27:14] rarely practice on Sunday. Um if my body
[27:18] is really worn down from resistance
[27:20] training through the week, I will do a
[27:23] 45minute walk and then I'll do a 45
[27:25] minute gentle yoga practice. But I'm
[27:28] almost always combining those.
[27:31] on Monday. Monday is when I do a
[27:35] resistance training practice, like a
[27:37] much heavier resistance training
[27:38] practice. And Monday is also right now
[27:41] when I train jiu-jitsu. And I'm only
[27:43] training jiu-jitsu once a week, but
[27:45] we're not we're not including that in
[27:47] the this conversation. We're not
[27:49] including that as a workout that we're
[27:50] we're including that for me as like a a
[27:52] hobby.
[27:53] >> Okay.
[27:53] >> Yeah. Yeah. Um, and then on Tuesday I
[27:58] will tend to just do more of a recovery
[28:01] yoga practice, like a longer yoga
[28:04] practice.
[28:05] And then on Wednesday it's the same
[28:09] thing. I have a that's a more resistance
[28:13] training day.
[28:15] Thursday is more of a yoga day. And then
[28:19] Friday and Saturday are variable. So,
[28:22] typically on Friday, I will I will make
[28:25] sure because if we did the quick math,
[28:26] I've done a couple of each thing so far,
[28:29] but I've only done one steadystate
[28:33] aerobic,
[28:34] >> right,
[28:34] >> practice.
[28:35] >> So, I will make sure on Saturday or
[28:38] Sunday, sorry, on Friday or Saturday, I
[28:41] do at least one of those. So for me, I
[28:45] don't I try not to go under two aerobic
[28:49] sessions per week or two resistance
[28:52] training sessions per week.
[28:53] >> That that's that's my minimum.
[28:56] >> That doesn't have to be everyone else's
[28:57] minimum, but that's my minimum.
[29:00] >> And then
[29:02] my yoga practice is two to three times,
[29:06] >> right?
[29:07] >> Usually a bit more. And then and then I
[29:11] will add one more resistance training
[29:14] session or one more aerobic session
[29:17] >> on Friday Saturday.
[29:18] >> On Friday, Saturday. Does that feel
[29:20] Debbie Downer too much?
[29:21] >> No.
[29:22] >> Yeah,
[29:22] >> it's great. The more the better.
[29:24] >> Yes. But I'm just saying, does that
[29:25] sound realistic?
[29:27] >> I think it would be different for
[29:28] anybody, right? I mean, for me, it's
[29:31] like I will sometimes
[29:33] do yoga actually before I do my strength
[29:38] training just because it's a really nice
[29:41] warm-up and I am just so much tighter
[29:43] the older I get and the strength
[29:45] training is so tightening. Um, so before
[29:49] I know it, I've done 20 minutes of yoga
[29:52] and then I do my strength training. And
[29:56] you know, I I do my strength training
[29:59] the way that you are saying where I do
[30:01] take long rests between sets, but on
[30:04] days when I just don't have the time to
[30:06] do that, I don't I just do quicker sets
[30:09] and there's a little bit more aerobic
[30:11] engagement there. And if and that
[30:14] happens, you know, so I I think um I
[30:18] think what you're presenting is just
[30:20] that there are a lot of ways to
[30:24] uh work things together. They're very
[30:26] complimentary and of course there is
[30:29] what there is option of doing the hybrid
[30:33] yoga practice,
[30:35] >> which is what you're teaching in your in
[30:37] your strong yoga program.
[30:38] >> Yeah. And I think Oh, let's linger on
[30:41] that for a moment.
[30:42] So, in the strong yoga program,
[30:46] and we we talked about this in the last
[30:48] couple of episodes, right, for me, I
[30:51] started to evolve this because
[30:54] I love each one of these modalities.
[30:57] Cardio is my least favorite. It's my
[30:59] least favorite. In fact, completely
[31:01] honestly,
[31:02] >> I don't think I would do any aerobic
[31:04] conditioning if we didn't live so close
[31:07] to the beach. So, for me, it's the
[31:10] excuse to get out and it's just so
[31:12] lovely. But
[31:13] >> I never sought aerobic conditioning.
[31:16] >> And it's also probably the thing that I
[31:19] have the most natural
[31:23] uh I don't want to say gift cuz I'm not
[31:25] in
[31:27] Yeah. And I did athletics for so long. I
[31:30] kind of grew up with so much aerobic
[31:33] conditioning and it's very much my body
[31:35] type. very type one long endurance
[31:37] muscle fiber all this right so it's not
[31:41] that I don't need it I do but physically
[31:45] yoga asas come harder than aerobic
[31:48] capacity and strength training has
[31:50] always come harder than aerobic capacity
[31:52] >> and I enjoy yoga and strength training
[31:55] much more than those things
[31:57] >> right but what started to happen was
[32:00] >> because I really love resistance
[32:03] training I really love yoga and I do
[32:05] them in the same room. I just started to
[32:09] incorporate some of the strength
[32:11] training stuff in my yoga poses and it
[32:15] just worked. Especially with resistance
[32:17] bands when I was doing a ton of PT and I
[32:21] was using resistance bands literally for
[32:24] everything. I was like, "Ah, I'm kind of
[32:27] bored standing doing this. I'm going to
[32:29] do this in warrior one." And I'd do in
[32:30] warrior one be like, "Oh, actually this
[32:32] is kind of cool." Mhm.
[32:34] >> And this feels better.
[32:37] >> Or I'm doing like rotational core
[32:39] strengthening with resistance bands and
[32:42] I start to think, I wonder what this
[32:44] would feel like in revolved triangle
[32:45] pose and revolved half moon pose. And as
[32:48] I started to play around, I just started
[32:50] to realize that there was that I was I
[32:54] was getting so much
[32:56] feedback in my yoga postures by
[32:59] incorporating resistance that I really
[33:02] loved it for that. And I also know that
[33:04] there's just so many practitioners that
[33:07] now understand the value of resistance
[33:10] training, but are overwhelmed by just
[33:13] stepping into a completely new subject.
[33:15] Mhm.
[33:16] >> And yoga is this place. It's already
[33:21] this context where we feel grounded, we
[33:24] feel comfortable, we feel supported. And
[33:27] so by incorporating resistance training
[33:30] into it, it's not only a yoga practice,
[33:34] but it's building really fundamental
[33:37] foundational resistance training. Yeah,
[33:39] it it's a really nice inroad to
[33:42] resistance training and again it's a
[33:46] nice way to
[33:49] just get a two for one with the time
[33:50] that you have.
[33:52] >> Yeah.
[33:53] >> Yeah. So, how does how how do we feel
[33:57] when we're able to how do you feel when
[34:00] you're able to incorporate all of these
[34:02] things into your week?
[34:04] >> Oh, boy. This is this I'm gonna start on
[34:06] a negative. [laughter]
[34:08] When I used to practice five or six days
[34:11] a week for 60 to 90 minutes each day, I
[34:15] ne I never felt good in my body.
[34:17] >> Me neither.
[34:19] >> Really nagging pain.
[34:22] >> Always hamstring attachment, weird SI,
[34:26] shoulder
[34:27] >> for me so often it was lower back.
[34:30] >> And like I just don't want to slag on
[34:33] yoga. But
[34:36] if you were to take any one of these
[34:38] things, exclude the other ones,
[34:42] >> and only do that one five or six times
[34:46] per week,
[34:47] >> it would be worth it if that was your
[34:52] absolute tried andrue dedicated passion
[34:56] and nothing else.
[34:57] >> Or if it was your sport
[34:59] >> and nothing else, right?
[35:02] But as a way of being balanced in the
[35:05] body, doing one of these things much
[35:09] more and the others not at all is a
[35:13] completely unsound strategy. So just
[35:16] speaking for myself, I literally never
[35:19] felt very good when I was practicing
[35:20] five to six days per week. Never
[35:23] for me practicing yoga fewer but aerobic
[35:29] conditioning and strength training more
[35:32] first of all I just honestly just feel
[35:35] better like I feel less inflamed like I
[35:38] know that's that's like broad
[35:40] >> but I just I would I in only doing yoga
[35:44] and doing a lot of it honestly I just
[35:46] felt overstretched and inflamed. There's
[35:50] physiological reasons why that is like
[35:53] the all of the like a high amount of
[35:58] just cons like consistently stretching
[36:01] and stretching and stretching and
[36:02] stretching is a very strong eentric
[36:07] demand which puts a lot of mechanical
[36:10] stress not just into the tendons but a
[36:15] lot into the um into all the muscle.
[36:19] Mhm.
[36:19] >> And so by having a ton of a type of
[36:24] stress,
[36:27] I never felt good with it. I didn't. Now
[36:30] theoretically, I could have done like
[36:32] one day hot yoga, one day yin yoga, one
[36:34] day hat yoga, one day ashtanga yoga.
[36:36] Maybe that would be different, you know.
[36:39] Um but I just feel first not nearly as
[36:44] sore,
[36:46] not as inflamed.
[36:49] I feel much more
[36:53] like I feel stronger.
[36:55] >> I am I am stronger.
[36:58] >> And yeah, I don't I think the thing I
[37:01] don't notice as much is aerobic capacity
[37:04] because I just feel like I've kind of
[37:06] always had that.
[37:07] >> But I think bottom line is I just feel
[37:09] better. I feel strong. I feel more
[37:11] balanced. I for feel more able.
[37:14] >> I'm 52. I don't I used to I used to
[37:17] literally in my 20s and 30s get out of
[37:19] bed in the morning and just feel so like
[37:23] back hurt,
[37:24] >> shoulder hurt, hip hurt, overstretched,
[37:27] >> and I had no idea.
[37:29] >> Now 30 years later,
[37:32] >> I I'm still sore. [laughter]
[37:35] >> I was going to say I I I'll have a
[37:37] different story.
[37:38] >> I still have my issues, but I just I
[37:41] feel Yeah. I just honestly I feel much
[37:44] stronger. I feel much better.
[37:46] >> Yeah.
[37:47] >> How about you?
[37:48] >> I definitely felt overstretched for a
[37:51] time as well. I can remember you and I
[37:53] having conversations like, "Okay, well,
[37:55] I didn't I didn't go too far in my back
[37:57] bending practice this week and my back
[37:59] feels good." And we'd be so happy for
[38:00] the other person because it was such a
[38:03] common thing that we would
[38:05] go accidentally too far even with all of
[38:08] the self-awareness that we both have
[38:10] about our bodies. Um, so I would say for
[38:15] me the I do so much steady state cardio
[38:19] now. I mean I do steady state cardio
[38:21] pretty much every day of the week. Um,
[38:24] maybe I take one rest day and it has
[38:27] just helped me so much with fatigue in
[38:31] my life. I've just always been kind of a
[38:33] fatigued person. I've been on like
[38:35] different medications for cancer over
[38:37] the years and which cause fatigue. So
[38:39] the steady state really helps with that
[38:41] and it also helps me feel like less
[38:42] inflamed. Um I'm doing less yoga than I
[38:46] used to do and I do feel stiffer. You
[38:49] know I do feel sometimes like oh I just
[38:52] want to do like a really long yoga class
[38:55] and then I do that. But um
[38:59] that you know doing what I do which is
[39:02] more strength training than I used to,
[39:04] more cardio than I used to plus
[39:06] menopause means I'm I'm stiff every
[39:09] morning. Like that's just how it is.
[39:11] Just like getting everything going. Um
[39:13] getting the circulation going. So yoga
[39:16] feels now like just so luxurious. It
[39:19] just feels amazing.
[39:21] >> Totally. It's like I I got this feeling
[39:24] when I was doing when I was going
[39:26] through a period where I was doing a lot
[39:28] more jiu-jitsu than anything else here
[39:31] and when I would when when I would do a
[39:33] yoga practice, I would just think, "Oh
[39:36] my god, this feels so good."
[39:37] >> Feels so good. Yeah.
[39:38] >> That's kind of what I was saying at the
[39:39] beginning. We're talking about the the
[39:42] different values of these modalities.
[39:45] And the bottom line for me about a yoga
[39:47] practice compared to all of it just
[39:50] feels so good. Mhm.
[39:52] >> But like anything,
[39:54] too much of a thing
[39:55] >> without a without
[39:57] >> a counterbalance.
[39:58] >> A counterbalance over time is not
[40:03] optimal,
[40:03] >> right? It feels so good and it feels
[40:05] like coming home to yourself, too, which
[40:08] is just
[40:09] >> such a gift.
[40:10] >> Yeah.
[40:10] >> So, so yeah, it's been great to combine
[40:13] it all and I hope people will take this
[40:15] to heart and think about it and and
[40:17] >> implement it in their own lives.
[40:19] >> For sure.
[40:19] >> Yeah. All right. Thank you so much,
[40:22] Jason.
[40:22] >> Thanks, Andrea.
[40:23] >> All right. We'll we'll talk soon.