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[0:04] Hey everyone, Tam Beu here from the
[0:07] Energy Almanac and I'm super excited
[0:09] today to bring you a guest who is going
[0:13] to have a special offer for you that
[0:15] she's going to talk about in a bit. But
[0:18] you know me, artist, alchemist,
[0:21] astrology junkie, um proud creator of
[0:26] energy almanac, right, for 2026.
[0:29] Um, I love to talk all things
[0:32] creativity, astrology, alchemy, and so
[0:36] that's why I'm super excited to talk to
[0:39] Amy Patty Kovven, who is going to join
[0:42] me today for a really raw conversation.
[0:44] We have no plans, no prompts, no
[0:47] questions. We are just going to hash it
[0:49] out right here with everybody. So, Amy,
[0:52] please give us an introduction to you
[0:55] and what you do.
[0:57] >> Right on. All right. Thanks, Tam. Yep.
[0:59] I'm Amy Paten and I
[1:03] love talking about compassion and
[1:06] compassion training and the fact that
[1:08] compassion is trainable um and Chiong
[1:12] and um mindset. So just evise
[1:19] up. I've been following a meditation
[1:22] path that blends dowoism, Buddhism, and
[1:24] Confucianism together for over 30 years.
[1:27] I started teaching meditation and Chiang
[1:29] at Google in 2011
[1:32] and I just love it because even though
[1:37] it's not always easy, the kinds of
[1:40] things that that we talk about when you
[1:42] hang out with me and maybe we'll talk
[1:44] about some of them on this this uh video
[1:47] right now. Um it really creates
[1:50] sustainable positive change and I love
[1:52] helping people grow.
[1:54] >> Oh, solid Virgo. I happen to know that
[1:56] we're Virgos that are days apart from
[1:58] each other. She loves service to others
[2:01] and I totally get that. And so, like,
[2:04] side note, for those who don't know yet,
[2:06] Amy is a writer for the 2026 2027 Energy
[2:12] Almanac and her topic that she brought
[2:14] in was Chiang and compassion.
[2:18] Who knew that you can train compassion?
[2:21] Like when you said that just now, I was
[2:23] like, "Oh, I know people who could use
[2:25] it." [laughter]
[2:26] >> Right. Right. And you know, and it's
[2:29] really pretty fascinating. So again,
[2:30] that that my longtime meditation path, a
[2:34] pillar of dowoism is compassion. So
[2:37] moderation, compassion, and humility are
[2:39] the the the pillars of Dowoism. And when
[2:41] I first started teaching meditation at
[2:44] Google, my teacher teaches in very much
[2:48] of a do it this way because this is the
[2:50] way it's done kind of way rather than
[2:53] overexlaining things. And I think the
[2:55] whole mindfulness movement as it was
[2:57] coming out in the you know 2000s and so
[2:59] on. It was really heavy on telling you
[3:02] how and why instead of just saying okay
[3:04] practice here's some basics just do it.
[3:07] So I discovered that there was a
[3:09] certification program offered at
[3:11] Stanford University to teach their
[3:13] compassion cultivation training program.
[3:16] So I did a year-long certification at
[3:19] Stanford with the deep intention of
[3:22] wanting to be able to talk to these
[3:24] Googlers, all these very tell me why
[3:26] kind of minds,
[3:28] why this is good for them, how it's good
[3:30] for them, and how compassion is
[3:32] trainable. And oh my gosh, it was such
[3:34] an eyeopener. and re the way they
[3:38] approach it. I mean, so often when
[3:40] people think about compassion, they that
[3:42] really what they think of is empathy.
[3:44] Oh, I'm moved by you. I feel your pain.
[3:48] But the cool thing about the way um the
[3:52] Stanford program defined compassion that
[3:54] I've now adopted it as my own. The first
[3:56] thing is being aware of distress or
[3:58] suffering in something or yourself. The
[4:01] second is emotionally moved by which is
[4:03] that empathy piece. And the third part
[4:06] is taking action. And that's where it
[4:10] begins to become trainable. It becomes
[4:13] more actionoriented, less passive, less
[4:16] emotional. And so
[4:19] when you bring it into action, it means
[4:20] you can intentionally wish someone well.
[4:23] You could give them the clothes off your
[4:26] back. You could volunteer with the Red
[4:28] Cross. It doesn't have to be big,
[4:30] >> right?
[4:31] >> It can be really small. It can be as
[4:33] subtle as saying, "Oh, you know what?
[4:35] Oh, you just told me that your cat's not
[4:37] feeling well. Oh, man. I can see that in
[4:40] your face. I'm just going to send your
[4:42] cat some well wishes." And that is
[4:45] compassion.
[4:46] >> Compassion in action. I really love the
[4:49] action piece of this because so often we
[4:52] really get wrapped up in the feeling and
[4:54] the emotion and
[4:56] >> right and I'm I'm a big doer and I
[5:00] really love the idea of adding the
[5:02] action piece. I didn't know that. So
[5:03] that was a really big light bulb mo
[5:05] moment for me. Um it reminds me of
[5:09] something that happened for me this
[5:11] morning. I'm just coming off a few days
[5:13] of vacation. I had my birthday
[5:15] yesterday. So, you know how it is on
[5:17] Facebook, you go in and um you read
[5:20] like, "Oh, you have 200 happy birthday
[5:23] wishes." I'm like, "Okay, wow, that's
[5:24] really cool." So, one of the things I do
[5:26] every single year is I go in to every
[5:28] single message. At a bare minimum, I
[5:31] like or heart the message and I also to
[5:34] some of the people who I'm closer with
[5:36] reply. Well, I thought that was really
[5:39] cool. I did that this morning and then I
[5:41] went opened up my email and one person
[5:45] sent me a private email and he said,
[5:48] "It's your birthday. Here are three
[5:50] gifts. This is a video that I really
[5:52] love. Watch it if you want to. Here is a
[5:56] project that um is close to my heart.
[6:01] Look at more." You know, he did three
[6:03] different things and every one of them
[6:05] my jaw dropped a little bit further
[6:08] because his level of caring and the
[6:11] action that it, you know, that he took
[6:15] >> to to present this to me, I was like,
[6:17] "Wow." And when you were talking, that's
[6:18] what I was thinking of like he took it
[6:20] next level. It's it was compassion, but
[6:23] it was action. It was emotional.
[6:26] Anyway, beautiful. And you're teaching
[6:28] this to people. You're teaching this
[6:30] Google Amy. Tell me it made a difference
[6:32] at Google.
[6:33] >> Oh my gosh, yes. And so, let me feel a
[6:36] little tiny bit in the backstory there.
[6:38] So, I'm a massage therapist and I have
[6:40] been since 2004. And my absolute perfect
[6:44] wonderful first ever big gig was being a
[6:47] massage therapist at Google. And it was
[6:52] um what I noticed is that people came to
[6:55] me largely because they were stressed
[6:58] out. There were a handful of us working
[6:59] there. We were all very good, but we all
[7:02] had different areas of focus. And mine
[7:05] was helping people mellow out.
[7:08] >> And what I began to realize is that I
[7:12] have these this knowledge. I have this
[7:15] skills inside of me to be able to help
[7:18] other people have healthier, more
[7:20] vibrant and vital lives. Wouldn't it be
[7:23] cool if I started teaching or providing
[7:26] the opportunity for Googlers to learn
[7:28] this stuff? so they would not feel that
[7:31] stress so deeply in their bodies so that
[7:34] they wouldn't need to come see me when
[7:36] they were in pain. I mean, I loved
[7:37] seeing my clients, but I would rather
[7:39] have them not be in pain and have them
[7:41] come because they just wanted to, right?
[7:44] >> So, that's how I ended up starting to
[7:46] teach there. And and my classes would be
[7:49] >> um
[7:50] >> like half an hour of standing and moving
[7:53] chiong and 15 minutes of meditation, a
[7:55] mudra meditation at the end. So even in
[7:58] that sitted seated meditation, we're
[8:01] still moving because we're holding
[8:03] different mudras for a minute a piece.
[8:06] >> And oh my gosh, it was it was wonderful.
[8:09] And I definitely one of the cl one of
[8:12] the guys that used to take classes from
[8:14] me there has taken my multi-week classes
[8:18] three times since
[8:20] >> because and it was a man which is the
[8:22] beautiful thing. So some people are
[8:24] like, "Oh, this compassion stuff, it's
[8:26] all for women." It's like, "No." The
[8:30] other thing I want to share just real
[8:32] briefly is that the one of the other
[8:34] great things that I learned about this
[8:36] program at Stanford was tools and
[8:39] trainable skills around extending
[8:42] compassion to people you find to be
[8:43] difficult.
[8:44] >> Wow.
[8:45] >> And the benefit of that, it's not it's
[8:49] for yourself. M
[8:51] >> and so I remember there was a woman that
[8:53] I was I mean usually I like everybody
[8:55] mostly um but there was this woman in
[8:58] particular I was having a very difficult
[8:59] time with and it was it was my problem
[9:01] not hers so I was owning it right and
[9:04] once I kind of walked through the
[9:07] training that I learned
[9:10] um which was really tied in with common
[9:13] humanity and recognizing that she too
[9:15] had her own problems just like me
[9:17] [snorts] and I could diffuse how I was
[9:21] feeling about her. And that lightened
[9:23] the load off my shoulders
[9:25] >> and it was huge. And in today's
[9:28] chaotic world, regardless of where you
[9:31] sit on that political spectrum,
[9:32] inevitably people are finding polarity
[9:35] in their life. They're they're seeing
[9:37] that divisiveness. And wouldn't it be an
[9:40] amazing gift if you could raise that off
[9:43] your shoulders and go, you know what? I
[9:45] disagree with what you're saying 100%.
[9:48] But just like me, you need to love and
[9:51] be loved. You need to eat. You need to
[9:53] drink. You need some air. And letting go
[9:56] and detaching from expectations.
[9:59] That's all compassion and action.
[10:02] >> That is beautiful. I really love what
[10:04] you're saying. I am witnessing I'm not
[10:08] part of it, but I'm witnessing some
[10:09] discord between some friends right now,
[10:12] and they're close friends. And the
[10:14] discord is real. And I keep I I want to
[10:17] say to both of them like you both need
[10:20] the same things. You both want the same
[10:21] things. And you know uh my I have
[10:25] compassion for what they're going
[10:26] through. I don't even actually know what
[10:27] action I can take besides wishing them
[10:30] both peace inside of their hearts.
[10:32] >> And that's valuable. Never discount the
[10:35] power of just energetic well-wishes.
[10:38] >> Yeah. Yeah. I No, I don't discount that
[10:40] because we are energy. Everything is
[10:42] energy and and that is the way the world
[10:45] works. Um I think what you're doing is
[10:48] so beautiful Amy and really having this
[10:50] conversation is extremely uh like next
[10:53] level for me to understand you and your
[10:55] work even more. Um weave in a little bit
[11:00] if you will for me the chiong piece. Now
[11:02] I have practiced chiong in and in and
[11:06] out off and on a little here a little
[11:08] there. Um cuz it just feels good. I'm a
[11:12] naturally I have a lot of Mars energy.
[11:14] I'm a go-getter. I have a lot of fire in
[11:16] my spirit. So I I move a lot and I go a
[11:19] lot. And Chiong for me was a way to just
[11:21] slow down
[11:22] >> and be more mindful. But
[11:25] I I'm sure there's more to it than I
[11:28] know. Uh I'm very surface level with
[11:30] Chiong. Take me deep for a minute.
[11:33] >> Yeah, you bet. And for those who who've
[11:35] never even heard of this word before, um
[11:37] let me spell it. It's Q I G O N G.
[11:41] Notice how I'm handwriting. I'm a very
[11:42] kinesthetic person, too. [laughter]
[11:44] >> I' like you and I both write this down.
[11:49] >> And it's a compound word. Chi meaning
[11:52] internal energy, gong meaning
[11:54] cultivation of that energy. And the way
[11:57] I look at it is from a very basic level.
[12:00] And it it has three components. And the
[12:04] first is present moment awareness. So
[12:06] your idea of of chiong helping you slow
[12:08] down part of that is that present moment
[12:11] awareness.
[12:13] The next part is intentionally
[12:15] breathing. So often in this life we
[12:18] don't breathe. And I teach breath a lot
[12:22] and I don't I don't breathe all the time
[12:24] and not deeply and fully. So present
[12:26] moment awareness intentionally breathing
[12:28] and movement. And I'm I'm just recording
[12:31] right now um some chiong videos that go
[12:35] hand inhand with a seven-week course
[12:37] that I'm teaching. And one of the things
[12:39] that I have come to realize and
[12:41] appreciate even more is when I say
[12:43] there's movement, even if you're not
[12:46] physically moving, there's still energy
[12:49] movement and breath movement within you.
[12:52] So you could be in line at the grocery
[12:54] store practicing chiong if you choose to
[12:58] be present
[13:00] >> intentionally breathe. And historically
[13:02] what I've told people is just even
[13:03] something as simple as waving your hand
[13:06] back and forth.
[13:08] >> That's just you're getting that movement
[13:10] going. Just you know you're standing up
[13:12] and you're just waving your hand back
[13:13] and forth. No one will know what you're
[13:15] doing but you know, right?
[13:17] >> And you and so okay so why do we do
[13:20] this? What's the benefit of doing this?
[13:23] A big piece of it and a big piece of it
[13:26] is just connecting with. So, as you've
[13:30] said, we're all energy.
[13:33] Honoring that we are all energy,
[13:34] connecting with that energy and then
[13:36] cultivating that movement from within.
[13:39] And then as you
[13:43] begin to allow that movement of energy
[13:45] within you, it brings around this huge
[13:48] level of health benefits. you and and
[13:51] then moving chiong whether it's flowing
[13:55] um flowing postures. Oh, and let me also
[13:58] highlight people often ask me well
[14:00] what's the difference between chiong and
[14:02] ta chi and traditionally tai chi has a
[14:06] fixed form. So you learn a form could be
[14:10] you know eight movements could be 108
[14:12] movements whatever but that's a fixed
[14:14] form. Chiang is more free flowing. So
[14:16] chiang is this umbrella and ta chi sits
[14:18] underneath it. Gotcha.
[14:20] >> And other martial arts sit underneath
[14:22] that. But the over the the big mother
[14:26] >> is the idea of chiong. And
[14:29] what what I have been taught in my
[14:32] meditation practice over all these years
[14:33] and what I have seen in my own life, I
[14:36] mean it has transformed my life is that
[14:39] not only when we connect with our chi,
[14:42] when we open our hearts and allow
[14:43] ourselves to connect with spirit in
[14:45] whatever way spirit makes sense to you
[14:48] and allow ourselves to move freely
[14:52] with spirit being the driver, not the
[14:55] mind. Right?
[14:57] >> Tremendous healing benefits happen
[14:59] whether it's physical, emotional,
[15:00] mental, and there are scores of studies
[15:03] that show that practicing chiong if
[15:06] you're if you're ill or you have an
[15:08] energy or an injury and you focus your
[15:12] awareness on that body part on that
[15:15] state of unwwellness
[15:17] and you breathe deeply and you practice
[15:20] chiong and you're moving and your
[15:22] present moment awareness is activated.
[15:26] There are astounding healing results.
[15:30] Now, I'm not going to say, "Oh gosh, if
[15:31] you broke your leg, practice
[15:34] um and that's going to fix your leg."
[15:36] But I have seen it in my own life. I've
[15:38] seen it in other meditation students
[15:40] lives where
[15:44] seemingly miraculous things happen.
[15:46] >> Yeah, I believe that there there's such
[15:48] power. I know the power of breath work.
[15:50] Um, I h I own a brick and mortar
[15:52] wellness center and we bring in a breath
[15:54] work specialist and oh my gosh, people
[15:56] come out high as a kite, connected to
[15:59] spirit and just in their bodies
[16:02] differently and it's remarkable and I I
[16:04] have had breath work sessions myself. I
[16:07] love what you're saying here. It's
[16:08] really really beautiful. I think I think
[16:12] this ties in with the um bonus product
[16:17] that you made for the energy almanac.
[16:19] Before I let you sort of introduce that
[16:22] idea and the offer that I mentioned
[16:24] earlier, inside of the energy almanac,
[16:26] every single year we have um a a page,
[16:32] and I don't know if I can find it in
[16:33] here. I'm going to try to uh we have a
[16:35] page that promotes the
[16:39] bonus gifts that our writers
[16:43] make for the readers. I think I found it
[16:47] right here.
[16:49] reader bonuses. Every year in the book,
[16:52] we have a page that says, "You like
[16:54] gifts, don't you?" [laughter]
[16:56] >> Yes.
[16:57] >> We have this beautiful uh web address
[17:00] that everybody can go to to collect
[17:03] things like uh my freebies. I do
[17:05] coloring pages and things like that. Um
[17:08] Janet Hickox does um I think she does
[17:11] free astrology
[17:13] downloads, all kinds of different
[17:15] things. And Amy, you have made I want
[17:18] you to tell people about it. I know it
[17:20] involves video, right? Some kind of a
[17:23] video series that includes compassion
[17:25] and chiong. I'm excited to hear about it
[17:27] because Janet secretly told me it's off
[17:30] the charts. So, [laughter]
[17:33] >> you tell me about this.
[17:35] >> All right. Right. Well, and first of
[17:36] all, thanks for the opportunity to be
[17:38] able to, you know, be a contributor to
[17:41] the almanac and then to be able to
[17:44] create a space where I can offer up
[17:46] bonus content. So, it's really neat this
[17:50] year. This almanac happens to be 15
[17:52] months instead of 12.
[17:54] >> And so, what I've decided to do as my
[17:58] bonus offer is focus on three primary
[18:01] areas. And so since there's 15 months,
[18:04] each primary area gets five lessons.
[18:08] >> And so when you sign up for the bonus,
[18:10] you will be taken to like a a course
[18:13] portal where you can log in, and then
[18:15] you have access to all 15 lessons at any
[18:19] time you want. You can binge watch them,
[18:22] consume them all at once, go back, and
[18:23] then go month by month. But what I tried
[18:25] to do was take what was written for the
[18:29] month and tie that in some way to
[18:32] compassion training, some sort of Chiang
[18:35] or some sort of mindset work. And so
[18:37] when you get in there, you'll find five
[18:40] Chiang videos. And some of them it's
[18:43] talking about the philosophy of Chiang,
[18:45] most of them are about moving. And the
[18:48] very last one, and this is a super
[18:50] awesome gift just for you guys. I
[18:52] haven't recorded this for anybody else.
[18:54] um is
[18:57] some training on how to do exactly what
[19:00] I mentioned earlier, which is combining
[19:02] spirit with self and allowing yourself
[19:05] to move freely in what my longtime
[19:07] teacher has coined as guided movements
[19:10] or th this particular meditation path is
[19:14] most common in Asia, Malaysia. If you
[19:17] went to those temples, you wouldn't see
[19:19] people sitting and meditating. You'd see
[19:22] them moving. And so there's instruction
[19:24] on how to bring that into your life. And
[19:27] that's the last Chiang video. There are
[19:30] five um guided visualizations that all
[19:34] have to do with developing compassion in
[19:37] one way or another. And then there's
[19:39] five exercises, written exercises or
[19:42] written ideas around just
[19:46] how to broaden your mindset, how to
[19:49] think about life a little bit
[19:51] differently. And they may not be brand
[19:53] new lessons, but if you go into them
[19:55] with childlike wonder, you're inevitably
[19:58] going to get something out of them. I
[20:00] mean, all of us talk about things and
[20:02] hear things over and over and over and
[20:04] over, and yet sometimes it hits. It's
[20:08] like, yes, I've heard that 22 times, but
[20:10] oh, today I get it. Um, so that's that's
[20:14] what's in that bonus package, and I I
[20:16] really hope people dive in there, make
[20:18] use of it. you have access to it in
[20:21] perpetuity. Um, so go play with it and
[20:24] have fun.
[20:25] >> Um, I for one am super excited about
[20:28] your bonus. I'll be going in to get it
[20:30] myself and um I to everybody watching
[20:34] who knows, likes, and trusts Tam. She's
[20:37] the real deal. Um Amy is the real deal.
[20:40] This is a beautiful, generous body of
[20:44] work that I'm super excited about. So,
[20:48] uh, Amy, [sighs] the world is I don't
[20:52] want to say it's upside down. I don't
[20:53] believe that. I I believe that the the
[20:55] ship is writing. I do believe that. Um,
[20:58] but you must have some like if you could
[21:02] leave everybody with one little tidbit
[21:03] like, "Hey, do this."
[21:06] What What would that be?
[21:08] >> Yeah. Yeah. I will in one second. The
[21:10] other thing I want to point out is uh
[21:12] part of how I teach, and this might tie
[21:15] in with that, but part of how I teach is
[21:16] I really want people to be able to
[21:18] integrate these ideas into daily life.
[21:21] >> So it's not like, oh, just read this
[21:23] book and oh, maybe that's fine to do it
[21:24] someday.
[21:26] >> Dive in, take action. And so the the
[21:29] tidbit that I would leave people with,
[21:32] and and it's funny you're you're talking
[21:34] about riding a ship. The way I feel is
[21:36] like we're in a snow globe and it's just
[21:38] been shaken. Yeah.
[21:39] >> And who knows when all that snow is
[21:42] going to settle down. I don't think it
[21:43] will be for a while. But what can we do
[21:46] in the meantime to find peace, right?
[21:48] >> My my the first thing that bubbles up is
[21:51] have patience.
[21:53] >> Patience for yourself,
[21:56] >> patience for people that you love.
[22:00] >> Keep patience for people that you find
[22:01] to be difficult. Mhm.
[22:03] >> And just along with that level of
[22:07] patience, do your best to practice
[22:10] detachment.
[22:11] >> Remember that all of this is transitory.
[22:15] All of this is fleeting. And it may feel
[22:17] like the worst thing ever or the most
[22:19] uncomfortable thing ever.
[22:23] Be patient. Ride it out
[22:26] and things will ultimately smooth out.
[22:29] >> Yeah. Uh, I have to tell you, it sound
[22:32] you're channeling your best Janet and
[22:34] Tam. One of the things that we talk
[22:35] about a lot, she and I, this year,
[22:37] because there's so much Aries energy, we
[22:39] we say respond, do not react. And so,
[22:45] that takes a form of patience. And, um,
[22:48] I think we all should tap into that for
[22:52] the next little while until until this
[22:54] wave is over, until this big
[22:56] >> Yeah. And then one more one more thing I
[22:59] would leave people with is going back to
[23:01] that very opening conversation around
[23:04] compassion.
[23:05] >> Remember the action step
[23:08] >> and remember that sending well wishes to
[23:11] others has tremendous value.
[23:14] >> It's good for your own soul and heart.
[23:16] It's good for everything out there. And
[23:18] if imagine Tam, and I know you think
[23:20] this this way, if everyone simply
[23:24] expressed well-wishes for other people,
[23:27] >> yes,
[23:27] >> all the time, the world would be so much
[23:30] more comfortable.
[23:31] >> 100%.
[23:34] Sometimes when I'm walking my dogs,
[23:36] every car that drives by, I go, "God
[23:38] bless you." Or I'll I'll look at the
[23:40] neighbor's house and I go, "God bless
[23:41] you." And I I haven't seen them in eight
[23:43] months, but God bless you. And I don't
[23:45] know that driver, but God bless you. And
[23:48] that's just like my little gift to
[23:50] humanity on the days that I can do it.
[23:52] And and honestly, if we can all just do
[23:54] that a little bit more, it's going to
[23:57] happen fast. It can all just come
[23:59] together.
[24:00] >> Really beautiful. These are topics I
[24:03] could talk about all day long. And I get
[24:05] really tearful. You're talking, my eyes
[24:07] are welled up, and it's just I I have
[24:10] such hope for the future that we are all
[24:13] I do feel like the world is coming
[24:15] together. And when you read all these
[24:17] people who channel um entities and they
[24:20] all say you're doing good, hang in
[24:22] there. You know, you're doing really
[24:23] well. Love is the answer. And I believe
[24:26] that love is the answer. This has been
[24:28] really really spectacular. I know that
[24:30] you do um a lot of a lot of different
[24:33] things, a lot of different topics, but
[24:34] like how do people begin to work with
[24:37] you? Do you have a freebie on your
[24:39] website that's different? Do you do you
[24:41] want to just name your website? How can
[24:43] people begin to like know, like, and
[24:45] trust you?
[24:46] >> Yeah, that's a great question and thank
[24:47] you for asking. Um, the easiest thing
[24:50] for people to do is just go to my
[24:52] website and as you can see on the
[24:54] screen, at least I'm assuming it's
[24:56] recording it with my name on the screen,
[24:58] www.amypat.com.
[25:02] >> Perfect. So, and then and then there
[25:04] when you if you're new to the site,
[25:06] it'll pop up and it'll give you an
[25:08] opportunity to um jump on my mailing
[25:11] list and get yet another um guided
[25:15] visualization, another handful of tips
[25:17] for how you can integrate some ideas
[25:19] today.
[25:20] >> Nice.
[25:20] >> So, that's probably the easiest way for
[25:23] people to reach me is just go onto my
[25:25] website, check it out. You'll see my
[25:26] programs. I also lead international
[25:29] spiritual adventure tours and you'll
[25:31] find all that information on my website
[25:33] as well. And um yeah, come come stop by
[25:37] the website, sign up for the newsletter.
[25:40] >> You can always unsubscribe anytime you
[25:42] want to, but check it out. See what is
[25:44] available there. You might be surprised.
[25:47] >> I I think I have one more question. Who
[25:49] is your who should work with you? If you
[25:52] are feeling XYZ, come work work with
[25:55] Amy. Who is that person?
[25:58] >> Oh, that's a good one. Um,
[26:02] if you are ready to grow and put in a
[26:07] little bit of work to get to the next
[26:10] level of vitality and joy and exuberance
[26:14] and
[26:15] come come work with me. And especially
[26:18] if if you recognize that you've got a
[26:21] life transition ahead of you, whether
[26:23] it's shifting into retirement, whether
[26:25] it's you've just lost your job and
[26:27] you're scattered and you don't know what
[26:29] to do because you're scared.
[26:31] I think that that the compassion and the
[26:34] chiong and the mindset, all of those
[26:37] three things together are really
[26:40] excellent for supporting people in
[26:43] transition and supporting people who
[26:44] want to grow.
[26:46] beautiful. I hope that people understand
[26:50] the the amazing value that you bring to
[26:53] the world. And I'm going to show this is
[26:56] a page in our beautiful coilbound book.
[26:59] Um this is Amy's introduction to her
[27:02] topic, Chiang and Compassion for
[27:04] Holistic Vitality inside of the 2026
[27:08] 2027
[27:10] energy almanac, which looks like this.
[27:13] It is available now. You can go to
[27:16] www.theenery
[27:18] alommanac.com
[27:20] and uh find out all kinds of information
[27:22] how to get your copy of this book and on
[27:25] and on. The book bonus by Amy will be up
[27:28] on the energy almanac website by
[27:31] December 1st. Fingers crossed. So don't
[27:34] go watch this in October and expect it
[27:36] then. uh we will get it to you in
[27:39] December and it will be available
[27:41] through March of 2027. That is a long
[27:46] time. [laughter]
[27:49] I am so honored, so pleased that you
[27:52] jumped in my sandbox to play. I am going
[27:54] to be thinking about compassion in
[27:57] action for a long while after this
[27:58] conversation. This has been a real
[28:00] delight, Amy. Thank you so very much.
[28:03] You are so welcome and thanks for taking
[28:05] the time to have this conversation with
[28:07] me, Tam. It was really a pleasure to
[28:08] share these ideas with you.
[28:10] >> You are so very welcome and thanks
[28:13] everybody. Make sure you visit Amy's
[28:16] website and you can go to the energy
[28:17] almanac.com.
[28:19] See you again next time.
[28:20] >> Bye
[28:21] >> bye.
[28:35] >> [music]