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[0:00] Bhuvi viri-tam kalmasha-paham
[0:04] shravana-mangalam
[0:07] shri mad-atatam
[0:10] bhuvi grinanti ye bhuri-da janaha
[0:15] Om shanti shanti shantihi
[0:20] Oh lord
[0:22] your gospel is like nectar and bliss
[0:25] showered upon the pain stricken lives
[0:28] of suffering humanity.
[0:31] It dispels all sins and misdeeds
[0:35] brings spiritual welfare to life.
[0:39] Spiritual beauty, prosperity and grace
[0:42] flow through those
[0:44] who listen to your holy message.
[0:48] Truly generous are those
[0:50] who preach and share the nectar of your
[0:53] message
[0:54] with suffering humanity.
[0:56] Om peace peace peace.
[1:02] So
[1:04] we are in page 74
[1:07] where where did he have oh we ended
[1:10] the reading of the
[1:12] that master and Vijay Goswami
[1:16] but
[1:17] it is also Vijay continues
[1:19] this discussion continues tells we will
[1:22] read today we will read
[1:24] from the gospel which is on
[1:27] this January 1st 1883 Monday.
[1:32] Uh January 1st
[1:37] So here
[1:38] description goes
[1:40] at 8:00 in the morning
[1:43] Sri Ramakrishna was seated on a mat
[1:47] spread on the floor of his room
[1:50] at Dakshineswar.
[1:53] Since it was a cold day
[1:57] he had wrapped his body
[1:59] in his modest skin
[2:01] shall
[2:03] Prana Krishna
[2:04] and him
[2:06] were seated in front of him.
[2:09] Rakhal too was in the room.
[2:12] Prana Krishna
[2:14] was a high government official
[2:17] and lived in Calcutta.
[2:20] Since he had had no
[2:22] children or offspring for his first wife
[2:26] with the permission
[2:27] he had married a second time.
[2:30] By the second wife he had a son.
[2:33] Because he was rather stout the master
[2:36] had dressed
[2:38] him
[2:39] now and then as the fat Brahmin.
[2:44] He had great respect for Sri
[2:45] Ramakrishna.
[2:48] Though a householder
[2:51] Prana Krishna studied the Vedanta
[2:54] and had been heard to say Brahman alone
[2:57] is real
[2:59] and the world illusory. I am he.
[3:04] The master used to say to him
[3:06] >> [clears throat]
[3:08] >> in the Kali Yuga
[3:09] the life of a man
[3:11] depends on food.
[3:13] The path of devotion prescribed by
[3:16] Narada
[3:17] is the best for this age.
[3:22] A devotee had brought a basket of
[3:24] jalebi.
[3:25] Jalebi you know?
[3:27] The round circular
[3:30] you when you know specially at puja time
[3:33] someone brings some
[3:35] very sweet it is.
[3:37] It's fried in the syrup. If my
[3:41] It's fried in the ghee and then put into
[3:43] the syrup.
[3:45] And then
[3:46] soaked into it.
[3:47] So it is heavy
[3:49] and good taste.
[3:51] Ramakrishna liked that because in the
[3:52] village
[3:54] that type of sweets are very common.
[3:58] And there is a shop.
[4:00] That shopkeeper is now
[4:02] a rich
[4:04] He says Ramakrishna used to
[4:06] have this jalebi from my
[4:08] parents' house.
[4:10] Their business
[4:13] the jalebi makers.
[4:15] If you go
[4:16] to Kamarpukur, don't miss that shop.
[4:20] And there it is written, Ramakrishna
[4:23] in the childhood days used to have this
[4:25] jalebi from here.
[4:31] A devotee had brought a basket of jalebi
[4:34] for for the master
[4:36] which the latter kept by his side.
[4:39] Eating a bit of the sweets
[4:42] he said to Pran Krishna with a smile,
[4:45] "You see, I chant the name of the divine
[4:47] mother, so I get all these good things
[4:50] to eat."
[4:51] And laughter.
[4:53] "But she does not give me such fruits
[4:56] as gourd or pumpkin. She bestows the
[4:59] fruit of amrita, immortality.
[5:03] That means knowledge, love,
[5:05] discrimination, renunciation, and so
[5:08] forth."
[5:10] So this is a very beautiful description.
[5:13] And we can imagine this is called lila.
[5:17] Lila chintam, huh? The divine's
[5:21] play. Divine sport.
[5:24] So you can just go to Dakshineswar
[5:26] mentally
[5:27] and see that there is a mat in the
[5:29] floor.
[5:31] And Ramakrishna is sitting there. It is
[5:33] a cold day, so putting some wrapper
[5:37] moleskin wrapper.
[5:39] And you are sitting and near there was a
[5:41] deity Pran Krishna
[5:44] and Rakhal.
[5:46] They were sitting in front of him.
[5:48] And then Pran Krishna is called the fat
[5:51] Brahmin.
[5:52] And he was little heavy in structure.
[5:56] And see, though he was a householder,
[5:59] but he was talking all this, "I am
[6:01] Brahman. I am Atman. I am not the body,
[6:03] not this."
[6:05] And Sri Ramakrishna used to
[6:08] pointing out to him, used to say to him
[6:11] that in this Kali Yuga
[6:13] a man depends on food.
[6:17] The path of devotion prescribed by
[6:19] Narada is best for this age. People get
[6:22] confused here. Sometimes we get the
[6:25] question.
[6:26] You know, then we are preaching Vedanta,
[6:28] no?
[6:30] And Ramakrishna says bhakti is the way.
[6:33] So, is it is it is it not contradiction?
[6:38] What? What will be the response?
[6:41] Bolo. Say.
[6:43] Huh?
[6:45] Swami Vivekananda
[6:47] he said, "I don't say I did not say
[6:49] anything
[6:50] but Ramakrishna, no?"
[6:54] And here you see, he's talking about
[6:57] that Jnana path
[7:00] is not for the
[7:02] this not for the is very suitable.
[7:04] But he is doing I am Atman, I am
[7:06] Brahman.
[7:08] And I am not the body, but Ramakrishna
[7:10] said
[7:12] that no, bhakti is better for best
[7:15] suited in this age.
[7:18] So, what is the how how to reconcile
[7:20] this
[7:21] contradiction?
[7:24] Who will tell? Please come up.
[7:31] That you can say one way.
[7:34] And that may be more intellectually
[7:38] advanced or intellectually mm
[7:41] leaning on intellect.
[7:43] And but it is not further I think
[7:47] something more is there.
[7:51] Uh
[7:52] Anything
[7:53] comes to your mind?
[7:56] No reconciliation?
[7:59] >> No, I think there is, but it's it's a
[8:00] tension in my own mind, actually.
[8:03] >> Uh
[8:04] >> Can you hear?
[8:04] >> That's all.
[8:05] >> Yeah.
[8:06] >> So, you?
[8:07] Martyrdom.
[8:09] Okay.
[8:11] >> [laughter]
[8:15] >> Or or is it not contradictory?
[8:18] Ramakrishna is contradicting with
[8:21] Narendra Vivekananda, no? Vivekananda
[8:23] says "Gyan yoga" and he preached in this
[8:25] country all the Gyan and knowledge and
[8:28] Brahman is alone. Day and night say "I
[8:30] am Atman. I am Atman."
[8:32] Huh?
[8:33] And more emphasis on Vedanta.
[8:36] And he's the he's the real
[8:39] representative of Sri Ramakrishna, no?
[8:42] So, is it contradictory? So, you have to
[8:44] reconcile and understand that. No, it is
[8:47] not
[8:48] contradictory. Bhagavad Gita also
[8:50] suggest
[8:51] that
[8:52] the Vedanta is the highest. That is the
[8:55] truth.
[8:57] But dehavadbhih abhavapatih yo yo have
[8:59] the body consciousness
[9:02] uh in one sense I am totally
[9:04] I
[9:06] focused body and I know little bit
[9:08] something happens in the body I get
[9:10] upset.
[9:11] If someone tells me something I get
[9:13] upset. My mind is so volatile.
[9:15] And I say I am Atman. I am Brahman. So,
[9:17] you're contradicting totally what you're
[9:19] saying and what you're doing
[9:21] not matching.
[9:22] At this at this in this stage you say
[9:26] "Yes, yes, I know that uh
[9:28] but I am your servant. Oh Lord, please
[9:31] help me." Yeah. So, that is the
[9:32] reconciliation means here
[9:35] not that it's contradictory.
[9:37] But it is he says suitable. His words
[9:40] are very important.
[9:42] Uh
[9:43] Naradiya, the way of Narada
[9:46] is most suited in this age. Most suited.
[9:51] Because those really I am Atman I am
[9:54] ultimate truth.
[9:56] Uh and who can say day and night thing I
[9:58] am not the body not the mind. But
[10:00] anything happens to the body, yes, it is
[10:02] happened to the body. I am not.
[10:04] He should have had it. Got it, no?
[10:07] So, it's Turiyananda.
[10:09] Swami Turiyananda, he was
[10:12] in since childhood, I am Atman, I am
[10:14] Brahman, is it not?
[10:16] And he was in the in the waters, and the
[10:19] crocodile came.
[10:21] The story.
[10:23] And as soon as he saw, he ran away.
[10:26] Then he said, "What? I say I'm not the
[10:28] body, not the mind." And he went down
[10:30] again into the waters.
[10:32] See, he is fit for Vedanta.
[10:35] He didn't succumb to the idea, I'm the
[10:38] body. When the body I'm not the body,
[10:40] but something happens to the I run away.
[10:43] No.
[10:44] I ran away, that's my mistake. But I am
[10:47] the Atman, I don't die. Let the body.
[10:49] I'm not the body.
[10:51] What courage is necessary to go down
[10:53] into this
[10:54] We will never go down when one crocodile
[10:57] shows his face.
[10:58] And he just ran out of the crocodile's
[11:02] jaws, and now bold enough to go down,
[11:05] and I am not the body, not the mind.
[11:08] See, this is called the candidate who is
[11:10] fit for
[11:13] or suited, most suited.
[11:16] >> Is it
[11:17] I know that it's a contradiction, but
[11:20] can you practice bhakti with the
[11:22] ultimate goal
[11:24] of
[11:25] >> The ultimate goal is whatever language
[11:27] you say, same.
[11:28] The bhakti means not this bhakti we
[11:30] understand.
[11:32] It is the supreme bhakti, supreme love.
[11:35] There
[11:36] the bhakta no has any ego. Bhakta's ego
[11:40] dies.
[11:41] And Brahma gyani this idea of I, the
[11:45] body, is totally gone. It becomes
[11:47] Brahman. So ultimate state is same.
[11:51] But bhakti path, gyana path.
[11:54] So Sri Ramakrishna said, because in this
[11:57] uh in this in this age
[11:59] we have to see how much time the
[12:02] Ramakrishna said in another place.
[12:04] How many
[12:06] uh hours are spent for our day-to-day
[12:09] living only, earning money, going to
[12:11] office, coming back, and this and that.
[12:14] In early days, people's life was very
[12:16] simple.
[12:17] They used to live on agriculture, some
[12:19] field, and simple food, and then more
[12:23] time to contemplate, to become, to see
[12:26] that that is and that age was different.
[12:30] But now everyone has to work hard in the
[12:32] situation of
[12:34] conflicting societies condition,
[12:36] political condition, this, that. So, it
[12:39] is not so easy to survive and go beyond
[12:42] the body concept.
[12:44] So, this is the very important point.
[12:46] It is not contradictory,
[12:49] but it is this most suited to majority
[12:51] of the people.
[12:53] That does not mean that it is not suited
[12:55] for anyone, but see that's why he says
[12:59] in this Kali Yuga, the life of a man
[13:02] depends on food.
[13:05] In Kali Yuga, depends on food, and other
[13:07] days there is no food.
[13:09] But it is only food that makes you
[13:11] exhaust your energy so much. You have to
[13:13] get some supply to the body, and to earn
[13:16] that you work hard, and your time goes
[13:19] away. So, that is the point. The path of
[13:22] devotion prescribed by Narada is best
[13:25] for this age. This is his language.
[13:28] It is
[13:28] And then, of course, Narada Bhakti,
[13:31] understand that.
[13:33] He says Bhakti as preached by Narada.
[13:38] Narada Bhakti is ordinary not ordinary
[13:40] Bhakti.
[13:42] Ordinary Bhakti ends in rituals and some
[13:45] mantras, chanting, and this and that.
[13:47] But Narada Bhakti is the Bhakti he's
[13:50] talking about the ultimate in the
[13:52] supreme Bhakti,
[13:53] the great love for God.
[13:58] So, the devotees have brought that then
[14:00] then he has just
[14:02] This is very beautiful scene to imagine.
[14:05] See Ramakrishna sitting and someone
[14:07] brought some jalebi packet
[14:09] of jalebi, and he is fond of that, and
[14:11] he started eating one thing. And he
[14:14] says, "See, I am eating this jalebi.
[14:16] Jalebis coming to me because I take the
[14:18] mother's name. So, people feed me.
[14:21] Yeah?" It's like a child, a very happy
[14:23] child talking about that. And next what
[14:25] he says, "But you see, I chant the name
[14:28] of the one mother, I get all these
[14:30] things, good things to eat. But again,
[14:33] in one stroke he tells, "It is not the
[14:36] mundane thing.
[14:37] Mother does not give the mundane things.
[14:39] She gives the fruit.
[14:41] What type of fruit?
[14:43] He does not give the fruit like as good
[14:46] or pumpkin, many ordinary mundane
[14:50] transitory thing. But mother gives what?
[14:53] She bestows the results, fruit of amrita
[14:56] nectar.
[14:58] Immortality.
[15:00] That is the knowledge, love,
[15:02] discrimination, renunciation. That is
[15:04] the these qualities
[15:07] is given by the mother.
[15:10] A boy of six or seven years old entered
[15:12] the room.
[15:14] The master himself become like a child.
[15:17] He covered the contents of the basket
[15:20] with the palm of his hand.
[15:22] >> [laughter]
[15:23] >> As a child
[15:25] don't want to share.
[15:27] >> [laughter]
[15:28] >> He's putting his palm on the top of the
[15:31] basket and hiding them from the boy so
[15:34] that
[15:35] he will not give him.
[15:37] So, then he puts the basket child leaves
[15:40] the letters should snatch them. Then he
[15:43] put the basket aside.
[15:46] Suddenly, the master went into samadhi
[15:50] and sat thus a long time. His body was
[15:55] transfixed.
[15:56] His eyes wide open and unwinking.
[16:00] His breathing hardly perceptible.
[16:05] After a long time, he drew a deep breath
[16:08] indicating his return to the world of
[16:11] senses. See?
[16:13] This is unusually
[16:15] uh ex- uh ex- exceptionally special
[16:19] life.
[16:20] It's like a child
[16:23] eating jalebi, commenting on that,
[16:25] hiding like that.
[16:27] Perhaps that boy will
[16:29] want to take a share. No.
[16:32] And put it in some corner and instantly
[16:34] went into samadhi.
[16:37] When he
[16:39] very rarely we have heard such people in
[16:41] the That's why it's called sahaja
[16:43] samadhi.
[16:45] Sahaja means
[16:46] very spontaneous.
[16:49] Breath, no? Normally our breathing is
[16:51] sahaja.
[16:53] When it's labored breath, then we go to
[16:55] doctor.
[16:58] When it is normal, we don't feel at all.
[17:00] You are breathing.
[17:01] Normal people don't feel the breath. So,
[17:04] samadhi is like that. It It need not
[17:06] have to feel. It comes spontaneously,
[17:09] instantly.
[17:11] So, like breathing, it comes and goes.
[17:15] And
[17:17] this description master observation is
[17:20] so keen.
[17:22] Uh
[17:24] His mind
[17:29] is
[17:30] samadhi and sat thus a long time. His
[17:33] body was transfixed. That's the point.
[17:37] That's what you call the all the signs
[17:38] of dead bo- dead dead body
[17:41] is as visible. Breath
[17:44] is almost stopped.
[17:47] And Namagiri said that the
[17:51] Mm.
[17:53] Kumbhak Kumbhak means
[17:56] the breathing up and down as we are
[17:58] doing. Kumbhak means holding.
[18:02] So, if you can cry
[18:04] for God
[18:06] really and sincerely, kumbhak will
[18:09] happen automatically.
[18:10] Kumbhak means all the functionality of
[18:12] the body stops.
[18:14] No breathing.
[18:16] And for a long prolonged time.
[18:20] I saw a Yogi
[18:22] a hatha Yogi
[18:23] not the spiritual Yogi.
[18:26] And on call India is a
[18:29] wonderful country.
[18:31] People
[18:32] do this type of
[18:34] practice.
[18:35] So he
[18:36] he
[18:37] keeps himself dug the ground, no?
[18:41] And he will be
[18:44] sitting in the in the there is a hole
[18:47] ditch or down great hole and he so that
[18:51] he can
[18:52] sit there.
[18:53] And above him all the dust and dirt they
[18:57] fill up and then this much
[19:00] layer of something and he's
[19:04] kept there.
[19:05] After 1 hour or 2 hours he's coming out.
[19:09] He's showing the Kumbhaka. Kumbhaka
[19:11] means you can control your breath
[19:14] for that length of time.
[19:16] So yoga practice helps.
[19:19] I only do
[19:22] the practice of the Pranayama.
[19:24] There are practices where you can We do
[19:26] the Kumbhaka, no?
[19:28] >> [snorts]
[19:31] >> That means you are not allowing the
[19:33] breath to come back and it is stopped as
[19:35] it were. Only it will not stop. This is
[19:37] our simple practice but those who do
[19:40] practice day and night hold. That's why
[19:42] holding is dangerous.
[19:46] In the Puja
[19:47] Puja time you do some holding.
[19:50] >> How Kumbhaka is related with God
[19:52] realization?
[19:53] >> Huh?
[19:54] >> How Kumbhaka
[19:55] >> No, that means in the mind will go to
[19:57] God in such an extent
[19:59] that the normal functionality of the
[20:01] body will stop.
[20:03] Because of the mind going but they are
[20:05] not these Yogis what they are showing
[20:07] the Kumbhaka
[20:08] they are not putting the mind in God
[20:12] but they are practicing the holding of
[20:14] the Prana in in a such a way they can
[20:17] keep it hold for We can keep it for 16
[20:20] seconds, no?
[20:22] 4 16 8
[20:24] Some can do 832.
[20:28] 4 * 4 4 * 4 Someone can keep for 64.
[20:33] Those who practice long.
[20:35] And he can practice for 1 minute
[20:37] 10 minutes
[20:39] 20 minutes
[20:40] So this is a practice not for God
[20:44] but for
[20:46] It's okay.
[20:48] >> [laughter]
[20:49] >> It's not for God but for due to due to
[20:52] practice of your breathing exercise.
[20:55] But that's different. But Thakur is
[20:57] going to because his mind shoot up into
[20:59] the consciousness in such a way
[21:02] they automatically body identity and all
[21:04] the bodily functions of the nervous
[21:06] system and everything stops.
[21:09] So that's why it's called the Kumbhak.
[21:11] And Ramakrishna said, "If one can
[21:13] sincerely
[21:15] love and cry for God then Kumbhak Kadle
[21:19] Kumbhak Apni Hoy.
[21:22] If you cry for God
[21:24] Kadle Kumbhak this type of arresting of
[21:27] the breath or stoppage of the breathing
[21:30] total breathing
[21:31] will be spontaneous Apni Hoy. It
[21:33] spontaneously happens. You need not have
[21:35] to practice this do Pranayama for longer
[21:39] period. Uh that's in our order we don't
[21:42] pay attention much to
[21:43] uh don't like to pay much attention for
[21:46] the
[21:47] yoga this Pranayama yoga.
[21:51] I mean when you why do focus on your
[21:53] breath you focus on God
[21:56] direct. Ramakrishna who understands God
[21:58] directly. He does not want to go to this
[22:01] This is a process also. In this way you
[22:03] can go also. It's a long process.
[22:07] You are breathing out how long it is
[22:09] going on. I was
[22:11] see the breath.
[22:14] How much air
[22:15] Can you feel it here?
[22:17] And then then that means you're
[22:19] concentrating on your
[22:21] flow of the breath how much it is going
[22:23] on and
[22:24] at the waste of time.
[22:27] Breath air is not Brahman.
[22:30] At least to us. Brahman jnanis may say
[22:33] air is also Brahman.
[22:35] But for us, it is air.
[22:39] So, I am thinking of jada,
[22:41] the matter.
[22:44] Why think of consciousness?
[22:46] God, love, joy, blessings.
[22:50] Suddenly the master went into samadhi
[22:52] and sat there a long time. His body was
[22:55] transfixed. His eyes wide open and
[22:58] unblinking.
[22:59] That's very difficult. Wide open,
[23:02] unblinking, does not blink.
[23:05] As one doctor came to test really it is
[23:09] like that, so put poked
[23:12] his finger into the eyes.
[23:14] But he was surprised.
[23:16] He didn't blink.
[23:20] It is as if were a dead person.
[23:23] When physically dead.
[23:27] So, that type of that is mind has been
[23:30] withdrawn from the body to such an
[23:32] extent not a trace of mind is in the
[23:34] body.
[23:41] His breathing hardly
[23:43] per- perceptible.
[23:44] After a long time, I do not know how
[23:46] long,
[23:48] but he drew a deep breath again.
[23:51] >> [snorts]
[23:51] [sighs]
[23:53] >> As if the prana was somewhere gone.
[23:57] And in a moment he felt that breath uh
[23:59] breathing
[24:01] indicating his return to the world of
[24:03] senses.
[24:05] And then he started talking to Pran
[24:07] Krishna, the fat Brahmin.
[24:10] And what he was Pran Krishna was a high
[24:12] government official
[24:14] and lived in Calcutta. Maybe in a high
[24:16] government position, what his
[24:18] position I do not know.
[24:20] Um
[24:22] but
[24:23] he is also sitting with
[24:25] the Rakhal and others in there.
[24:27] Ramakrishna make everyone equal.
[24:30] Ramakrishna is sitting in the floor.
[24:32] The boy Rakhal is also sitting in the
[24:35] boy. Pranakrishna is a high government
[24:37] official.
[24:38] Decoram is there, isn't it?
[24:41] And then that was a British rule Raj,
[24:43] British rule also.
[24:45] And British time hierarchy rank rank and
[24:50] rank and position is very important. But
[24:53] all are flat Ramakrishna's room. They're
[24:57] all sitting in the mat.
[24:59] And no one is higher, no one is lower.
[25:02] But
[25:03] Ramakrishna sitting with them
[25:05] and
[25:08] Ramakrishna now said talking to
[25:09] Pranakrishna. What he said?
[25:12] My divine mother
[25:14] is not only formless.
[25:17] She has forms as well. And this is a
[25:20] common discussion of Calcutta those
[25:23] days.
[25:24] God with form
[25:25] or God without form.
[25:27] God with form is idolatry.
[25:30] Hindus are all idolaters. That's why the
[25:34] young
[25:36] boys and of that time the English
[25:40] educated boys they abandoned all types
[25:43] of Hindu worship. They don't go to
[25:45] temples.
[25:47] And they they they don't go to any uh
[25:50] place of worship because they are all
[25:52] doing
[25:53] idolatry
[25:54] idol worship.
[25:56] So he said that but my divine mother is
[25:59] not only
[26:01] formless. She's formless. She has also
[26:04] form.
[26:06] One can see her forms.
[26:08] One can behold her incomparable
[26:11] [clears throat] beauty
[26:13] through feeling and love.
[26:16] The mother reveals herself to her
[26:18] devotees in different forms.
[26:22] I saw her yesterday.
[26:24] She was clad in a seamless ochre colored
[26:28] garment and she talked with me.
[26:31] See what do you what do you say about
[26:33] it? She talked with me. She came with a
[26:36] dress, different dress.
[26:39] And
[26:40] and they clad in a seamless
[26:44] ochre-colored garment.
[26:46] And she talked with So, she is sometimes
[26:48] in the form sometimes the formless
[26:51] sometimes dresses this way in diverse
[26:54] forms she comes and talks to me.
[27:00] She came to me another day as a Muslim
[27:03] girl, six or seven years old.
[27:06] She had a tilak
[27:08] on her forehead
[27:10] and was naked.
[27:12] She walked with me joking and frisking
[27:15] like a child.
[27:16] So, Mother plays in all the roles.
[27:18] Mother is saying in Ramakrishna's eyes,
[27:22] it's all Mother playing and Mother it is
[27:24] Mother playing in the
[27:26] different forms.
[27:31] She came
[27:32] >> [clears throat]
[27:32] >> at Shridhar's house. I had a vision of
[27:34] Gauranga.
[27:36] He wore a black-bordered cloth.
[27:40] Haladhari used to say that God is beyond
[27:43] both being and non-being.
[27:46] Right. Being and non-being. That's what
[27:50] is appearing
[27:52] and what is cannot be imagined to be
[27:56] described.
[27:59] I told the Mother
[28:01] about it and asked her,
[28:04] "Then is the divine form an illusion?"
[28:08] Then the divine Mother appeared to me in
[28:11] the form of
[28:12] Roti's mother,
[28:14] Roti's mother, and said,
[28:17] "Do you remain
[28:19] Do thou remain in bhava?"
[28:22] So, bhava means
[28:24] a rare state of divine exaltation.
[28:28] When the devotee
[28:30] after realizing the absolute
[28:33] He in the borderland
[28:35] between the absolute and relative.
[28:38] In this state, he sees
[28:40] that both the absolute and relative
[28:43] as the two aspects of Godhead.
[28:46] As real.
[28:59] Okay.
[29:04] So, he said that it is God can be in
[29:07] both form
[29:09] and formless.
[29:10] And he may be taking any form. That
[29:12] means even a
[29:14] girl, a Muslim girl,
[29:16] and she saw that
[29:18] another form
[29:20] with a
[29:21] tilak in the forehead.
[29:25] Gouranga in a form.
[29:27] So,
[29:29] he he is both being and non-being.
[29:33] And he asked holy him, divine mother,
[29:36] then is then then is the divine form we
[29:39] see an illusion?
[29:43] The divine mother appeared to me in the
[29:44] form of
[29:46] Roti's mother and said, that means Ma
[29:48] comes in every form.
[29:51] Uh Roti's mother means one lady who used
[29:54] to
[29:55] be the
[29:56] um working in the
[29:59] Rasmoney
[30:01] temple. So, he used to
[30:03] give every time the evening time waving
[30:06] the incense and other things in the room
[30:08] rooms, not in the temple. So, she has
[30:11] paid for that. She's a paid lady.
[30:15] And Sri Ramakrishna seeing the mother
[30:17] divine in her.
[30:21] And then Ma came and said, do you remain
[30:24] in the bhava?
[30:26] I repeat this to Haladhari.
[30:29] Now and then I forget her command
[30:31] and suffer. Once I broke my teeth
[30:35] because I did not remain in power.
[30:38] So I shall remain in power unless I
[30:40] receive a revelation
[30:42] from heaven or have a direct experience
[30:45] in the country. I shall follow the path
[30:48] of love.
[30:49] What do you say?
[30:50] Power means you remain not get too much
[30:53] absorbed in the as I said.
[30:56] And somebody said I do japa
[31:00] while driving. I mean that's good. I
[31:02] also meditate. I mean ah
[31:04] dangerous.
[31:06] If you if you meditate, you'll hit the
[31:09] car somewhere else.
[31:12] There is one devotee used to stay here.
[31:15] And I used to he
[31:17] he is actually from Tucson.
[31:21] So when I previously used to go every
[31:24] every alternate month or every month
[31:28] to both the places. I go to Tucson,
[31:30] give a talk and their class.
[31:33] And then someone drives me to the
[31:35] Phoenix.
[31:37] And that was the regular
[31:39] plan. And then I
[31:41] go by plane to Tucson and then Phoenix
[31:44] finishing program. Then I come fly back
[31:46] here.
[31:47] And he was a little
[31:50] a a mystic type.
[31:52] So he will be driving and he sometimes
[31:55] gets stopped. I mean hey,
[31:57] why your eyes are closed? And I'm
[31:59] meditating. I mean don't do it me.
[32:03] >> [laughter]
[32:04] >> You You may drive and meditate but don't
[32:08] don't do that with me.
[32:10] So
[32:11] So Sri Ramakrishna in the power of means
[32:14] and don't go deep
[32:17] absorption there. Otherwise it it will
[32:19] be dangerous. So that's why
[32:21] Ramakrishna said I didn't I forget
[32:23] sometime and I follow didn't follow the
[32:26] mother's instruction. So in the
[32:28] absorption may happen, I fell down, I
[32:30] broke my teeth
[32:32] and broke my arm. The two times it
[32:34] happened. It is because of absorption in
[32:37] God.
[32:38] So that's why he said "You stay in the
[32:39] treasure
[32:40] Mahamukha."
[32:42] Huh? So, that you can see the divine
[32:45] form in this side, and if you like, on
[32:47] that side it will be Brahman. But, you
[32:49] know that you are in the treasure not
[32:51] there much. If you go there, you will
[32:54] down.
[32:55] That means you're totally lost.
[32:57] You are lost to yourself in that
[32:59] consciousness.
[33:05] Ramakrishna said, "Yes, sir." Master
[33:08] said, "But, why should I ask you
[33:11] about it?
[33:13] There is someone within me
[33:16] who does all these things through me. At
[33:19] times I used to remain
[33:21] in a mood of Godhood and would enjoy no
[33:24] peace of mind unless I would being
[33:27] worshipped. I were being worshipped.
[33:30] Sometimes he said, "At times I used to
[33:33] remain in a mood of Godhead." That means
[33:35] identifying with God.
[33:37] Then, what happened? Unless someone
[33:40] worships in me
[33:43] because that me, Ramakrishna, me is
[33:44] gone.
[33:45] The Ramakrishna as the God or goddess,
[33:48] whatever he's in the mood,
[33:51] it gets totally
[33:53] absorbed into that mood. That means
[33:56] Ramakrishna transforms into that divine
[33:59] form.
[34:01] That's why our
[34:03] we always suggest that think of
[34:04] Ramakrishna as the embodiment of all
[34:06] gods and goddesses.
[34:08] And he said, "That time unless I was be
[34:11] I were being worshipped
[34:13] uh I will
[34:15] uh would not enjoy no peace of mind
[34:17] unless someone worships him.
[34:21] I am the machine, and God is the
[34:23] operator.
[34:25] I act as he makes me act. I speak as he
[34:29] makes me speak.
[34:32] Keep your raft,
[34:34] says Ramprasad, afloat on the sea of
[34:37] life,
[34:38] drifting up with the flood tide,
[34:40] drifting down in the ebb.
[34:43] So, in that is this
[34:45] song of Ramprasad.
[34:47] So, Ramakrishna said it is bhakti he's
[34:50] talking today. Very much engaged in
[34:53] emphasizing on the bhakti path.
[34:55] And how to how to bhakti path? Bhakti
[34:57] path is not easy to think
[35:00] that I every day every action we do.
[35:04] Our ego comes up in any way. How much we
[35:07] think that I am doing for God.
[35:10] But our ego comes every That's why he
[35:11] said,
[35:13] "I am the machine. Uh I am the and God
[35:16] is the operator."
[35:19] And we think we operate ourselves. I did
[35:21] it. I liked it. I dislike it. I don't
[35:24] want. I want. I do this.
[35:27] I will change. I will be doing
[35:29] meditation. I will be doing tapasya.
[35:32] Nothing will happen. What Mother wants
[35:34] that will happen.
[35:36] That's why
[35:37] that is surrender surrender surrender.
[35:39] To tell of not my ego. Uh I think I will
[35:44] keep my mind in samadhi. Go.
[35:48] Try your whole life. After 2 days you
[35:52] run away from that. No.
[35:54] So, it is not surrender. So long the
[35:57] body consciousness is there,
[35:59] it is we are not fit. Though we say I am
[36:01] atman brahman,
[36:02] it is good to say, always to say,
[36:05] but to keep our awareness in that level
[36:07] is very very high level. Therefore,
[36:11] devotee devotion is good. And we are not
[36:14] particularly
[36:16] fascinated with one path.
[36:19] Jnana is jnana jnana. It's called jnana
[36:21] charchari.
[36:23] You make charchari, you know? Charchari
[36:25] is the vegetable curry mixed together.
[36:28] It is that is normal jnana is jnana
[36:30] charchari.
[36:31] But bhakti can give some spice and
[36:34] sweetness in life.
[36:36] And also to surrender to God
[36:38] is a help to us because we always we are
[36:41] in difficulty. Where do you go?
[36:44] When you are in need of some financial
[36:46] crisis, you go to a person who have the
[36:49] financial ability to help you, no?
[36:51] So, you go to
[36:53] beg something grace from who has
[36:55] health awareness to have when I am weak
[36:58] in health, I go to a person who can
[37:00] teach me how to keep the way health, no?
[37:03] So, we are always take surrender. We go
[37:06] and take refuge
[37:08] in which profession. And God is the
[37:12] giver of everything. So, to ask from God
[37:15] is much better.
[37:17] And that's called surrender.
[37:19] And Ramakrishna said that's why, "I am
[37:21] the machine
[37:23] and God is the operator. I act
[37:25] as he makes me act." It should be very
[37:28] sincere
[37:30] and just not the word of the mouth.
[37:33] Actually, to feel that he is actually
[37:35] the operator.
[37:36] And if it happens, then your
[37:37] responsibility is gone.
[37:40] We have our responsibilities
[37:43] good person should have right type of
[37:45] feeling.
[37:47] Right type of
[37:49] understanding
[37:50] that not to mix up with my ego.
[37:54] As God's ego.
[37:55] I do something wrong, I say, "Oh, God is
[37:57] telling me to do." No, God does not want
[37:59] to tell you. Your ego is coming
[38:01] naturally in between. Ramakrishna said,
[38:04] "An expert dancer
[38:06] never makes a false step, no?
[38:10] Those who are expert that adds to the
[38:12] beauty of their dancing, even if they do
[38:15] some
[38:16] uh separate move movement.
[38:22] It is like the
[38:24] It is like the cast off leaf
[38:27] before a gale.
[38:29] Sometimes it is blown
[38:31] to a good place,
[38:33] sometimes into the gutter
[38:36] according to the direction of the wind,
[38:38] no?
[38:38] So, that is called surrender. Very
[38:41] beautiful example.
[38:43] A dry leaf
[38:45] has no
[38:48] wish wish of its own.
[38:54] The wind blows this direction, takes it
[38:57] on the top of this temple, okay?
[39:01] Pushes into the
[39:03] drain dirty drain, yeah, okay.
[39:06] It has no choice. It does not care for
[39:09] anything.
[39:10] That's why surrender means that
[39:12] and depending on God means this this
[39:15] this idea.
[39:20] As the weaver said in the story,
[39:24] the robbery was committed by the will of
[39:26] Rama.
[39:27] I was arrested by the police by the will
[39:30] of Rama
[39:31] and again by the will of Rama I was set
[39:33] free.
[39:35] So, that story you remember?
[39:37] A gentleman was
[39:39] resting in the hot summer
[39:43] uh not in his room but outside in the
[39:46] garden.
[39:47] And then a
[39:49] a
[39:50] gang of robbers
[39:52] they stole something from some house
[39:55] and it is too heavy to carry for it.
[39:57] They are finding, where shall I get this
[39:59] night time?
[40:00] Who can carry this load for us?
[40:03] They found that this man is a
[40:05] very strong person lying
[40:07] trying to sleep in the garden house.
[40:09] They pulled him out and come, carry our
[40:12] load.
[40:13] So, they put the all the stolen things
[40:15] on his head.
[40:17] And they are going away.
[40:19] And then police came.
[40:21] They they ran away
[40:23] and the man was caught with the all
[40:25] stolen things.
[40:27] Police took them to the jail
[40:30] and then
[40:32] put him to
[40:33] appear before the judge next time.
[40:36] And judge asked, "What happened?
[40:38] Why did you steal?"
[40:41] Uh how did you steal? Then he said,
[40:44] "Sir, by Rama's will
[40:48] I it was a hot day.
[40:50] Rama's will, I tried to sleep in the
[40:53] home.
[40:55] But it was too hot. By Rama's will, I
[40:58] came out and I was lying in the outside
[41:01] garden or in my veranda.
[41:03] And by Rama's will, this group of people
[41:06] were going
[41:07] and this Rama's Rama's will, they saw
[41:09] me.
[41:10] And by Rama's will, they forced me to
[41:12] go.
[41:14] And Rama's will, they put the load up on
[41:15] my head.
[41:17] By Rama's will, I was going with them.
[41:20] And by Rama's will,
[41:22] the police came.
[41:24] And by Rama's will, they all managed to
[41:26] let leave.
[41:28] And by Rama's will, I was caught.
[41:31] By Rama's will, I was taken to the jail.
[41:35] And by Rama's will, I am here now, sir.
[41:39] So,
[41:40] uh the judge thought he is a
[41:42] good person, honest person. So, he
[41:45] excused him from all punishment. So,
[41:48] point is that Rama's will, to understand
[41:51] in every action,
[41:53] not in good,
[41:55] not in good, but not in in good and in
[41:57] bad.
[41:58] Whatever is coming,
[42:00] we have to just abolish our ego.
[42:06] Very difficult.
[42:08] Ego will not go.
[42:11] Even there is a pride of
[42:15] and
[42:16] uh there is a great pride that I am
[42:18] nothing.
[42:20] I'm nothing. I'm nothing.
[42:23] Here's the comparison. I'm nothing. I'm
[42:25] nothing. I'm nothing.
[42:26] But then telling 10 times I'm nothing,
[42:28] you are saying I'm something some
[42:30] somebody.
[42:31] I'm somebody.
[42:34] So, to be very aware to get out of the
[42:36] ego is the surrender. This ego,
[42:39] Ramakrishna said,
[42:42] this to how to get out of this ego?
[42:44] Let the rascal ego
[42:46] remain as a servant servant of
[42:48] Ramakrishna.
[42:50] Hanumanji said,
[42:52] the whole so long I have the body
[42:54] consciousness
[42:59] so long I have the body consciousness
[43:02] I am the servant and Lord Rama is the
[43:05] boss.
[43:06] I am his servant, no?
[43:09] So that idea
[43:11] that to say I am your servant, I am your
[43:13] servant. Oh Lord, I am doing your work.
[43:16] Uh
[43:17] please guide me. So to refuse take that
[43:19] refuse. Then only ego will not go. Ego
[43:22] will be deified.
[43:25] My ego, Sarvananda's ego, versus this
[43:28] Ramakrishna's ego.
[43:30] It will be same [snorts] ego will
[43:32] remain, but it should take a turn and
[43:35] color of the divine.
[43:38] So this is the surrender, ego ego
[43:40] surrender.
[43:49] So Hanuman once said to Rama, "Rama, I
[43:52] have taken refuge in thee.
[43:54] Bless me that I may have pure devotion
[43:57] to your lotus feet
[43:59] and that I may not be caught in the
[44:01] spell of your world-witching Maya."
[44:05] When said dying bullfrog said to Rama,
[44:09] "Oh Rama,
[44:10] when caught by a snake, I cry for your
[44:13] protection, but now I am about to die
[44:17] struck by your arrow, hence I am
[44:20] silent."
[44:24] There is story that in the
[44:27] during that
[44:29] days of
[44:31] wandering in the
[44:34] with 14 years of exile of Rama
[44:37] so Rama was going and
[44:40] Lakshmana was following
[44:42] and they wanted to
[44:46] Rama threw an arrow to
[44:48] for getting some water or something.
[44:51] They have some skills to by
[44:54] by throwing arrow they can dig the
[44:56] ground and bring out the water.
[44:58] Such power was there.
[45:00] So, he saw
[45:03] that he inadvertently
[45:05] a frog was
[45:07] hit by the arrow
[45:09] and it is bleeding profusely.
[45:12] Then
[45:13] Hanuman is that Lakshmana
[45:16] uh
[45:18] mm
[45:19] saw that and asked, "Oh, oh, the the
[45:23] crow and this frog is now almost dead."
[45:26] Then
[45:28] uh
[45:29] he asked Rama,
[45:31] "Brother, brother,
[45:33] oh
[45:34] we have done something wrong. We have
[45:36] killed a
[45:37] frog, innocent frog.
[45:40] But why did you not
[45:42] um
[45:43] make a noise that I could have taken out
[45:46] the
[45:47] arrow from the body, no?"
[45:49] He then Lakshmana went and asked, "Why
[45:52] did you not
[45:54] make a noise that you are hit by We
[45:56] could have saved your life."
[45:58] Then he said, "That that time this
[46:00] statement Oh, Rama,
[46:03] mm
[46:05] that uh
[46:07] when caught by a snake
[46:10] the frog is caught by a snake, then then
[46:13] the snake makes noise, no?
[46:16] I cry for your protection. Oh, Lord,
[46:19] please protect me.
[46:21] But now I am about to die
[46:24] struck by your arrow. So, who where
[46:27] shall I cry?
[46:29] That means
[46:30] it is you are the protector
[46:33] and you want to kill me. That's your
[46:35] good That's let thy will be done.
[46:39] That means to surrender since such a way
[46:40] that ego
[46:42] belongs to God, God's ego.
[46:47] Mm.
[46:52] >> I think they
[46:53] I mean I
[46:54] understand it like
[46:57] intellectually, but sometimes it can be
[46:59] confusing cuz I think
[47:01] it's like surrender and there's like
[47:04] some
[47:05] aspect of free will somehow included in
[47:08] it or at least how we
[47:11] think about it, but
[47:13] also
[47:14] like how could you able to could you be
[47:17] able to tell
[47:19] that someone is
[47:21] truly surrendered and compared to like
[47:25] justifying every action that they do
[47:28] no [snorts] matter what it is
[47:30] and saying, "Oh, but it's
[47:32] the will of God."
[47:33] >> Oh God.
[47:35] There is this cup
[47:36] >> Yeah.
[47:36] >> misunderstanding about that. But
[47:39] actually, we are talking about a person
[47:42] who has really
[47:43] practiced and practiced in whole life
[47:47] and naturally surrendered.
[47:49] For them, no problem. Suffering comes,
[47:52] joy comes, they see it is all God's
[47:55] grace.
[47:56] Uh they that
[47:59] that Pow Hari Baba when the snake
[48:02] was entering into his room and going to
[48:05] bite, no?
[48:07] He was so happy.
[48:09] The God's messenger has come.
[48:12] That means that is the mind is
[48:14] surrendered in such a way
[48:16] it it matters little what good, bad it's
[48:19] not matter.
[48:21] And bad is not bad, good is not good
[48:24] because to the bad and to the good,
[48:27] God's grace is coming upon me. They're
[48:30] convinced. They're developed in such a
[48:32] way.
[48:33] Uh we have to practice that to gain to
[48:35] get to that state.
[48:37] Very high state. It is almost the state
[48:39] of God realization.
[48:41] So so that's why
[48:43] in this the self effort is for us.
[48:48] So uh to do something because God has
[48:51] given us
[48:52] the strength and power. After wasting
[48:56] that or exhausting that give it to God.
[49:00] And whatever happens is God's will.
[49:03] It is a practice, very difficult.
[49:05] And no path is easy, whatever we do.
[49:08] But to surrender totally, surrender is
[49:11] um
[49:12] uh
[49:13] our our our trust goes away within a
[49:15] moment.
[49:17] If some disaster comes, some difficulty
[49:19] comes, no.
[49:20] We cannot handle them.
[49:22] Then sometimes people say, "I
[49:23] surrendered to God.
[49:25] Why it is not happening? I wanted it.
[49:28] Why God is not giving?"
[49:30] Yes, that's say that means I want I
[49:33] still there, and I my way I want to feel
[49:37] your grace.
[49:38] No.
[49:39] It is his way. He how he wants to do
[49:42] whatever.
[49:44] This ego should be So, it's really high
[49:46] state. But to understand this type of
[49:49] sarana gati, surrender
[49:51] is not ordinary. That ego lessness in a
[49:54] high level.
[50:01] I used to see God directly
[50:04] with these very eyes, just as I see you.
[50:07] Now I see divine visions in trance.
[50:10] So, I used to see God directly these
[50:12] very eyes in a very high state.
[50:15] But for the good of the world, the mind
[50:17] he has brought down little to the
[50:19] worldly plane
[50:21] so that he can becomes more functional.
[50:23] Otherwise, Ramakrishna will be in
[50:25] samadhi all the time.
[50:27] He was there for 6 months continuously.
[50:30] It is called jada samadhi.
[50:33] He had no body consciousness.
[50:35] Then one holy man came
[50:38] and he saw the greatness of this
[50:40] Ramakrishna.
[50:41] And he want to save the life of
[50:43] Ramakrishna. That's why he used to
[50:45] collect some
[50:46] food and make it a ball like that.
[50:50] Food ball and beat him
[50:53] so that little bit body consciousness
[50:55] comes. And as soon as they
[50:58] And then he used to push that ball into
[51:00] the mouth.
[51:02] That's
[51:03] Very survival was dependent on such
[51:07] little food. But he
[51:10] he could not come down. Ordinary people
[51:13] if they get to Brahmam Gyana, that type
[51:16] of absorption,
[51:17] we hear that 21 days he can keep the
[51:20] body.
[51:21] After if if he does not come back within
[51:24] 21 days, as he Ramakrishna said, then I
[51:27] I once
[51:29] I used to see God directly with these
[51:31] very eyes just as I see you. Now I see
[51:34] divine vision in trance. That means when
[51:37] my mind goes little higher, then I see
[51:40] God. But now I little did mix with Maya,
[51:44] so I have to functionality of the world.
[51:48] So
[51:52] I think that is the idea to be taken
[51:53] that is very very difficult state
[51:56] to reach, but practice.
[52:01] After realizing God,
[52:04] a man becomes like a child.
[52:07] One acquires the nature of the object
[52:10] one meditates upon. And then the nature
[52:13] of God
[52:14] is like that of a child.
[52:16] As a child builds up his toy house
[52:20] and then breaks it down,
[52:22] so God acts
[52:24] while creating, preserving, and
[52:26] destroying the universe.
[52:29] Further, as a child
[52:30] is not under the control of any gunas,
[52:33] so God is beyond the three gunas,
[52:36] sattva, rajas, and tamas.
[52:38] That is why Paramahamsas
[52:40] keep five or 10 years children with them
[52:44] that they may assume their
[52:47] child's nature.
[52:49] So Sri Ramakrishna said, "The Brahmam
[52:52] Gyanis,
[52:53] they become like a child. Saran,
[52:56] simple."
[52:58] Uh As much spiritual personality,
[53:01] crookedness goes away from their heart.
[53:04] They cannot hide hide something uh to
[53:07] say something
[53:09] little twisting turning
[53:12] impossible for them.
[53:13] Whatever they say there's very simple.
[53:16] So, means straightforward
[53:18] straightforward.
[53:21] And that's why Ramakrishna said this
[53:23] Brahma Gani sometimes keep some small
[53:26] children around them to adapt the
[53:29] characteristic of these children.
[53:32] Children are very simple, no?
[53:34] They play this time they're
[53:37] building a castle
[53:39] and next time they're throwing away. No
[53:41] attachment.
[53:43] No likes and dislikes. Anyone comes, he
[53:46] may be very friendly with anyone.
[53:49] Uh so, to be spiritual means simple.
[53:53] Uh complex mind those people who have
[53:55] very complexity in the mind it takes
[53:58] long time
[53:59] to
[54:00] uh realize God.
[54:04] Okay, so we can end here.
[54:07] If you have any question.
[54:14] All right.
[54:18] Question is here.
[54:19] We have given here.
[54:36] Oh,
[54:38] reading about the loving care
[54:41] Ramakrishna takes in awakening his
[54:43] disciples spirituality
[54:46] in the gospel is wonderful. Does Thakur
[54:49] assist ordinary modern householders
[54:52] as with spiritual titans like Narendra,
[54:55] Rakhal, Sarada, etc.
[54:58] Yes, he does, but
[55:01] Naren is Naren.
[55:03] Rakhal is Rakhal.
[55:06] Uh
[55:07] They can contain Their container is
[55:09] bigger.
[55:11] Our is 1 oz cup.
[55:13] If you get, huh?
[55:15] Little bit of
[55:17] something in the cup, then we'll be
[55:19] overwhelmed.
[55:21] But they are they can contain
[55:23] uh millions of gallons of water.
[55:27] So, they hold more. God's grace is The
[55:30] electricity supply is the same, is it
[55:32] not?
[55:33] The receptivity is depends upon uh how
[55:35] much is the
[55:37] huh?
[55:38] What is called the voltage here?
[55:41] It is zero lamp, it is 60 W, it is 100
[55:44] W. The supply line is infinite. It it
[55:46] comes. So, Vivekananda is like a big
[55:49] giant
[55:52] light.
[55:54] We are like night lamps, maybe.
[55:57] The light but current behind is both of
[56:00] Ramakrishna God is the same at the back.
[56:03] That's why each soul is potentially
[56:04] divine. Divinity everyone is the same.
[56:09] But manifestation is the question. So,
[56:12] because of Rakhal, Naren, Sarada, they
[56:15] are all special
[56:17] because they have their bigger power
[56:19] to manifest.
[56:20] So, that is the difference. And but God
[56:23] is gracious. You can increase your
[56:25] capacity from zero zero
[56:28] night lamp to 60 W.
[56:30] If you apply Sadhana, then you will get
[56:32] 60 W light. People will be attracted to
[56:34] you more than the zero W lamp.
[56:39] Huh? So, Naren is Naren because world
[56:42] gets attracted to him.
[56:44] Rakhal is Rakhal.
[56:46] He is attracted next.
[56:48] Uh so many people in the world.
[56:51] Ramana Maharshi get the attraction more.
[56:55] But Brahmagyani is the same.
[56:58] If he is a Brahmagyani, there is no
[57:00] difference
[57:01] in the state of gyana
[57:03] when mind shoots up.
[57:05] And then state, they all stay there.
[57:08] When comes out,
[57:10] how much was the
[57:12] body mind to capacity?
[57:15] That much manifest.
[57:17] But we can increase.
[57:19] When a man realizes God or an empty man
[57:21] becomes spiritual, you'll see many
[57:23] people will flocking around them.
[57:26] It is the power develop and that goes
[57:28] away because they don't keep their
[57:30] sadhana.
[57:31] Many of the gurus you see
[57:34] have a big follower.
[57:37] That means they have something
[57:38] spirituality manifest.
[57:41] But it should be kept up.
[57:44] If not, someone give you 100,000,
[57:48] 100,000 will be 100,000, but if you give
[57:51] away
[57:52] by getting full name and you have a big
[57:54] follower and ah ah ah ah ah your ego is
[57:58] getting
[57:59] uh they they're taking away your
[58:01] spirituality gradually.
[58:03] And then what will happen?
[58:05] You will be an ordinary person again.
[58:08] That's why unless you get established,
[58:11] that is the point. Brahma jnana should
[58:13] be established. One time is good.
[58:17] Nothing wrong. One time is good.
[58:19] Rather than nothing.
[58:21] But that is not the end because if you
[58:24] start giving away, your stock will be
[58:27] over.
[58:29] So that's why this is yes, they have
[58:32] dance they assist Ramakrishna. Surely
[58:35] Ramakrishna assist ordinary modern
[58:37] household dress. Uh
[58:40] uh exactly like that. It seems that an
[58:42] ignorant person such as myself needs
[58:45] much more help than an Ishwarkoti. If
[58:48] so, is this to be taken on faith alone?
[58:52] No, not faith alone. It is true.
[58:55] It it is true it is true it is true. We
[58:58] have to do more intense practice
[59:00] wherever you may be. In the eyes of God,
[59:03] there is no superiority inferiority. It
[59:06] is the sincerity.
[59:07] It is child mother's is mother is
[59:10] gracious. As I say fan is there,
[59:13] air is there, cooling air. But we have
[59:16] to go to close to the air.
[59:18] I remaining at a distance, I cannot say,
[59:21] "Oh, ho, it is for special few people.
[59:23] They are getting the cool breeze." A
[59:25] cool breeze for me also.
[59:27] We have to get out of it. And so,
[59:30] practice more. And God's grace is there.
[59:32] We need not have to think what God will
[59:34] do.
[59:36] But we have to think what we need to do.
[59:39] Very important point.
[59:42] We we we think that should we get the
[59:44] grace of God like Naren came, Ram,
[59:47] Rakhal came. Should we get it? No.
[59:50] They are special. We are
[59:52] We are We are No.
[59:54] We cannot be like Vivekananda. That's a
[59:57] different thing.
[59:58] But I can get his grace, feel his grace.
[1:00:06] Ah.
[1:00:07] Bolo.
[1:00:08] >> For spiritual practitioners not lay
[1:00:11] people.
[1:00:12] I'm not talking about that. But just
[1:00:14] people who are household or who are
[1:00:16] working
[1:00:17] >> Ah.
[1:00:18] >> Sometimes you have Not sometimes, all
[1:00:20] the time that you're doing day-to-day
[1:00:21] work, doing some work or you're doing
[1:00:24] your task.
[1:00:25] In the moment when you're working
[1:00:28] >> Hm.
[1:00:28] >> process
[1:00:30] You still have to have a goal, right? I
[1:00:32] have to achieve this project or this
[1:00:34] goal.
[1:00:35] At that point
[1:00:37] you know, you offer it and then you
[1:00:39] focus on that
[1:00:40] I mean, God will give grace and then it
[1:00:42] will happen.
[1:00:43] Obviously
[1:00:44] you have to make sure that your work is
[1:00:45] done.
[1:00:48] You know,
[1:00:49] you have to apply your
[1:00:50] that that
[1:00:52] In other words, there will be some kind
[1:00:54] of ego involved in that.
[1:00:55] >> Ego ego ego should be good needed to do
[1:00:58] anything. And to anything we need ego.
[1:01:01] But if it is applied for God or taking
[1:01:05] refuge in God, that's also good ego.
[1:01:07] We should have to
[1:01:09] abandon our bad ego
[1:01:11] and pamper our good ego.
[1:01:13] And then ego good ego also should have
[1:01:16] to go away.
[1:01:17] Ultimately, that is total surrender.
[1:01:22] It is God's grace also and our effort.
[1:01:25] Our effort should be there, but in
[1:01:27] spiritual life it is said you can do as
[1:01:29] much as you can do, but God realization
[1:01:33] is by his grace only. So, grace comes.
[1:01:36] It is not that he will be not gracious,
[1:01:38] but we have to work harder.
[1:01:41] The more emphasis on our own practice.
[1:01:51] So, attachment why you detach why you
[1:01:53] will be detached unless you love God?
[1:01:56] Unless you know that God is doing
[1:01:58] everything. That is the detachment.
[1:02:02] Detachment from the world and
[1:02:04] worldliness.
[1:02:15] Oh.
[1:02:16] And that is a state state of mind when
[1:02:19] you have the power to detach
[1:02:22] and to attach. That's a different thing.
[1:02:25] In a rich matured state, you see God
[1:02:27] everywhere.
[1:02:29] So, you are ready.
[1:02:31] But holy mother.
[1:02:33] Uh she is holding on to ready's all
[1:02:37] these childlike [snorts]
[1:02:39] things and keeping her mind down. And
[1:02:42] when you detach
[1:02:43] one one moment take ready away from here
[1:02:47] and man never look back.
[1:02:49] So, that is a very high state. But to
[1:02:51] reach that state the equality to detach
[1:02:54] and to detach is not an ordinary thing.
[1:02:56] Long practice and purification of the
[1:02:59] mind.
[1:03:00] Can we say is Sri Ramakrishna is most
[1:03:02] manifest within
[1:03:04] the Belur shine or is he equally
[1:03:06] manifested everywhere and in every
[1:03:09] devotee or layman? No, he may be
[1:03:11] manifested more there.
[1:03:15] But because that also because
[1:03:18] he said Ramakrishna Swami Vivekananda
[1:03:21] established Ramakrishna in Belur Math
[1:03:24] and he said that he will be here. He
[1:03:27] gave me word.
[1:03:29] Ramakrishna told Naren that wherever you
[1:03:32] will keep me carry and put me I shall be
[1:03:35] there.
[1:03:35] So that is the power of the
[1:03:40] being Ramakrishna's presence more there
[1:03:42] and also he said after 1500 years
[1:03:46] it will be the spreading the idea of
[1:03:49] Ramakrishna all over the globe for the
[1:03:51] good of humanity. He will remain here.
[1:03:54] So we believe that and also people feel
[1:03:57] that because and hundreds and thousands
[1:03:59] of people are going there one pointed
[1:04:01] mind to see Ramakrishna to see happy
[1:04:05] Darshan. So the mind you see the purity
[1:04:07] of the mind of all these people
[1:04:09] accumulated have tremendous energy.
[1:04:12] In this temple there is energy.
[1:04:15] But you hold good Boulevard is also
[1:04:17] place. Go and stand there
[1:04:19] to see the energy difference.
[1:04:21] It will be there if there is also God's
[1:04:23] energy.
[1:04:24] There's nothing but God everywhere but
[1:04:27] the God's energy is manifested and
[1:04:28] non-manifest.
[1:04:30] If you
[1:04:31] meditate on a
[1:04:32] personal particular seat every day hours
[1:04:37] and hours and you sit one day your mind
[1:04:40] is distracted you'll find that that that
[1:04:42] subtle vibration also helping you to
[1:04:45] raise your consciousness. Of course then
[1:04:47] that sense yes there is special place
[1:04:50] where more manifest less manifest but we
[1:04:52] can
[1:04:54] he's everywhere that in energy is
[1:04:56] everywhere.
[1:04:59] If we are doing something wrong without
[1:05:02] realizing and God does not give us any
[1:05:04] hint by which we can make amends in our
[1:05:07] beliefs should God the ideal sense then
[1:05:10] have any right to punish us? God does
[1:05:13] not punish
[1:05:14] and God does not give anything. If we
[1:05:17] have done something wrong we say I'll
[1:05:19] not do anymore.
[1:05:21] And I did it wrongly. I didn't
[1:05:23] understand. Just a always very simple
[1:05:26] statement to tell you know
[1:05:29] you openly to God
[1:05:32] that I did it something wrong.
[1:05:36] Please forgive me.
[1:05:38] I will not do it again.
[1:05:40] That's the point.
[1:05:43] God is not giving punishment. Karma is
[1:05:45] giving the punishment. Understand? I'm
[1:05:48] putting my finger in the fire.
[1:05:51] God is not coming to burn my finger.
[1:05:54] God is not doing anything.
[1:05:56] God has made a rule.
[1:05:58] You are
[1:05:59] driving in the freeway
[1:06:01] and you break the rule, police will come
[1:06:02] and give a ticket.
[1:06:04] Oh, God, why God punishing me?
[1:06:06] No, no, no. But I did something wrong. I
[1:06:09] can beg. I can go to the court
[1:06:12] to be excused. Okay, try that.
[1:06:15] But
[1:06:17] karma will have his karma
[1:06:19] But we don't need not have to think that
[1:06:21] God is giving punishment. If we do
[1:06:24] something wrong, you say Ramakrishna
[1:06:26] said, "Go
[1:06:27] then say that, 'Oh Lord, I won't do it
[1:06:29] again.'"
[1:06:30] And in the in the Christian world, you
[1:06:33] go, huh?
[1:06:34] What you call?
[1:06:36] You go back and pray to God, huh?
[1:06:39] The clergy.
[1:06:41] Confession.
[1:06:42] And there's a big science.
[1:06:44] You do this. What you say? All you open
[1:06:47] your heart. You did whatever right or
[1:06:48] wrong. And say everything and said, "I
[1:06:51] have done it. Please forgive me. I will
[1:06:52] not do." Huh? So, that's that's a
[1:06:55] practice.
[1:06:56] So, you know, day-to-day life we can do
[1:06:58] practice.
[1:06:59] You are If I'm sincere,
[1:07:01] I am done unconsciously or
[1:07:04] something wrong, please forgive me.
[1:07:07] Huh? We have to take in that way.
[1:07:10] How to practice detachment?
[1:07:13] How are
[1:07:14] how to
[1:07:15] practice detachment?
[1:07:21] How to practice detachment? How to
[1:07:23] practice detachment? You have to love
[1:07:25] something.
[1:07:26] You have to attach to something.
[1:07:29] Huh? You see
[1:07:31] uh
[1:07:31] a boy falls in love with a girl.
[1:07:35] The boy was very very much fan of mom
[1:07:40] or
[1:07:41] his in the home dad or mom or brother or
[1:07:44] sister.
[1:07:46] He was attached this side.
[1:07:48] Now his attachment goes to the other
[1:07:49] side.
[1:07:51] The attachment remaining the same.
[1:07:54] Where to put, where not to put. So we'll
[1:07:56] have to practice that.
[1:07:58] We have attachment for many things.
[1:08:00] We'll have to put attachment to God.
[1:08:02] Practice.
[1:08:04] Can we always consult Kathamrita to
[1:08:06] decide in matters of uh of day-to-day
[1:08:10] events, too?
[1:08:11] It says that yes, many people
[1:08:15] uh says so.
[1:08:17] You may try that. You have any problem,
[1:08:20] somebody says
[1:08:21] anytime any problem comes, I just open
[1:08:24] the Gospel. Just close my eyes and let's
[1:08:27] open. And the page comes and I read and
[1:08:30] I find my response.
[1:08:32] If you are fortunate, you got it.
[1:08:35] But
[1:08:37] but I cannot say for certain that all
[1:08:39] the time it will get you the but
[1:08:42] you will get some divine message. But
[1:08:45] exactly your question is solved, many
[1:08:47] people say that. My exact my question
[1:08:50] what I is it for, I got it the response.
[1:08:53] So you have to believe that.
[1:08:56] Uh are there any disadvantage in
[1:08:58] starting in starting Vedanta practice
[1:09:01] later on life? No, no, no. I didn't
[1:09:05] It can be done any any moment of time,
[1:09:07] no?
[1:09:08] Uh
[1:09:09] it even it is said
[1:09:11] is there any time for becoming a monk?
[1:09:14] Well, no, no, no, no. You can be monk
[1:09:16] when you are a
[1:09:18] uh a teenage boy uh
[1:09:21] or girl and then you can be 30 or in you
[1:09:24] can 60. Even there are two sunnas. When
[1:09:28] you are dying, that time you take ayu
[1:09:30] sunnas.
[1:09:31] Renunciation.
[1:09:33] There is no time.
[1:09:35] Anytime it's starting. Anytime is good
[1:09:37] start.
[1:09:38] So, start now.
[1:09:40] Does it just require more intense
[1:09:42] effort? Yes, we we do
[1:09:45] get experience of life to understand
[1:09:47] that the world cannot give the joy I am
[1:09:50] seeking for.
[1:09:51] Unless that experience comes, or that
[1:09:53] conviction comes, our search for joy in
[1:09:56] through the world and the senses will
[1:09:58] continue. I may say I don't want, but my
[1:10:01] mind goes
[1:10:02] silently and rolls around those things.
[1:10:05] Apparently, I am not taking rasgulla
[1:10:09] or ice cream.
[1:10:10] My diabetes.
[1:10:12] But when I see rasgulla, oh my god.
[1:10:15] I eat 10 times mentally.
[1:10:18] May be physically, you may take one
[1:10:20] piece, but mentally we take 10 times.
[1:10:24] So, that's the point.
[1:10:26] The attachment to the world and the
[1:10:28] sensitive experience should be
[1:10:30] detachment, but it it is a long process
[1:10:34] unless one's experience is over.
[1:10:37] We
[1:10:38] we have to go through the experience and
[1:10:40] then reason out. Oh, mind the one that I
[1:10:43] gave you
[1:10:44] that ice cream.
[1:10:47] But you are asking again again today?
[1:10:51] I like it. Okay, get it another time.
[1:10:55] And then again, say say say
[1:10:57] again again, mind will say it is good.
[1:10:59] It is good.
[1:11:00] So, we have to deal with the mind. Mind
[1:11:02] like a child.
[1:11:04] And the the mom love the mothers they
[1:11:07] make some
[1:11:08] deal with the children. Children will
[1:11:11] say, "I want this. I want mouse." They
[1:11:13] say, "You first study this, then you
[1:11:15] will get this. Then you do this, then
[1:11:18] you will do this." No,
[1:11:19] all condition. So, like that we have to
[1:11:21] play with our mind to
[1:11:24] take it to the something which is
[1:11:26] permanent.
[1:11:27] It is lifelong struggle. We'll have to
[1:11:29] do that.
[1:11:30] Uh okay, thank you all.
[1:11:32] Om Shanti Shanti Shantihi.
[1:11:37] Harihi Om Tat Sat Sri Ramakrishna
[1:11:41] Arpanamastu.
[1:11:43] Tomorrow Thursday, Maharajugananda Swami
[1:11:46] with the Swami's letters
[1:11:48] will be
[1:11:49] discussed.
[1:11:51] And this Sunday we have our Mother Kali
[1:11:53] Puja.
[1:11:54] It start at 10:00.
[1:11:56] But some of the volunteers if they need
[1:12:00] those who want to do they can just write
[1:12:03] your name or
[1:12:05] give that name
[1:12:07] Puja kitchen.
[1:12:09] The cooking will be done on
[1:12:11] and so many other things are around.
[1:12:14] >> You have to come at night for
[1:12:15] >> Right?
[1:12:16] >> 10:00 p.m. 10:00 p.m.
[1:12:17] >> 10:00 p.m.
[1:12:19] Nine? I didn't say nine. Did I say
[1:12:22] >> No, no, you said just you just said
[1:12:23] 10:00.
[1:12:25] >> Oh, yeah, what p.m. now? Uh night 10:00
[1:12:29] we start. It goes around 3:00.
[1:12:32] Three I think by 3:00, huh?
[1:12:34] >> 3:00 a.m. in the morning.
[1:12:35] >> Monday to Sunday to Monday. Two day
[1:12:37] Puja.
[1:12:41] >> But but but yes, in a simple sense that
[1:12:44] night 10:00 to morning 3:00 3:30.