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[0:05] [music]
[0:05] >> Hello, my name is Susan Piver. I'm a
[0:07] writer and long-time practitioner and
[0:11] teacher of Buddhism.
[0:13] I've come to see that many people think
[0:14] of [music] Buddhism and meditation
[0:17] practices associated with it like
[0:19] mindfulness as ways [music] to reduce
[0:21] stress, but I would like to tell you
[0:23] that the Buddhist path is far more rich
[0:26] than that.
[0:27] It is a way to wake up, to become
[0:29] liberated from suffering, [music]
[0:31] and forget about enlightenment. It's
[0:33] also a way to live your everyday life
[0:36] more fully and meaningfully.
[0:39] This podcast is to share with you
[0:40] classical Buddhist teachings that I have
[0:42] found enormously beneficial, and also to
[0:45] tell stories from my own life about how
[0:47] I applied and misapplied these
[0:49] teachings.
[0:50] >> [music]
[0:50] >> And I do want to tell you from my more
[0:52] than 30 years of experience that the
[0:55] Dharma is real and it provides an
[0:58] extraordinarily nuanced, profound, and
[1:02] pragmatic guidebook to living [music] a
[1:05] life of wisdom, compassion, and courage.
[1:11] Entering [music] the Buddhist path is
[1:12] often associated with taking the five
[1:14] precepts, which are
[1:17] don't kill,
[1:19] always a good place to start,
[1:21] don't steal,
[1:22] don't lie,
[1:23] no inappropriate sexual conduct, and no
[1:27] intoxicants.
[1:29] So, they sound kind of straightforward,
[1:31] but let's dig into them a little bit and
[1:33] see how we feel after this discussion.
[1:36] So, number one,
[1:38] don't kill. Okay.
[1:40] Yeah, let's not do that.
[1:42] But, here
[1:44] the precept to refrain from killing
[1:47] means something like not taking the life
[1:51] force
[1:52] out of any being.
[1:55] And I would extend it to mean
[1:57] out of any situation,
[1:59] out of the conversation that you're
[2:00] having today, out of the way you think
[2:03] about yourself.
[2:04] This is a huge notion. What amplifies
[2:09] life force
[2:10] and what diminishes or extinguishes it.
[2:14] So, the precept to not kill, certainly,
[2:17] yeah, don't murder anyone and so forth.
[2:20] But, pay attention as well to the living
[2:24] quality of all beings with respect.
[2:27] Yourself, of course, the people you come
[2:29] into contact with, animals, insects,
[2:31] trees,
[2:32] the earth. All of these are alive.
[2:35] And as we move about our day, our life,
[2:38] we want to do so with awareness
[2:42] and appreciation
[2:44] for living qualities. Now, when some
[2:46] people are thinking about taking the
[2:48] refuge vow, the vow by which one
[2:50] formally becomes a Buddhist, which I
[2:52] offer usually once a year, maybe twice,
[2:56] there's concern about this for very good
[2:58] and intelligent reason. Does this mean I
[3:01] have to become a vegetarian?
[3:04] Well, that's up to you. I know this is a
[3:07] controversial, inflammatory for many,
[3:11] topic or for some. I don't know about
[3:12] many.
[3:13] And I'm going to have to leave that one
[3:15] up to you. And when we get to the end of
[3:17] this conversation about the precepts,
[3:20] before we go to the super fun
[3:21] after-party, we'll talk about the
[3:23] definition of breaking a precept. But,
[3:27] this issue of being a vegetarian is
[3:30] obviously very important and very
[3:32] central.
[3:34] And there is no easy answer here.
[3:36] Just to digress a little bit, I've been
[3:39] trained in Tibetan Buddhism
[3:41] and I would say none
[3:43] of the great Tibetan Buddhist masters
[3:45] that I've met in my life,
[3:48] and I've met a few,
[3:49] were vegetarians. Although, some became
[3:51] vegetarians later in life,
[3:54] such as His Holiness the Dalai Lama, I
[3:56] believe is a vegetarian. Anyway, not our
[3:58] topic for today. However,
[4:01] those who were born in Tibet and grew up
[4:03] in Tibetan culture,
[4:05] they didn't have any vegetables. They
[4:07] were in a very different terrain than
[4:09] ours, so they had a different view of
[4:12] dietary habits. Okay, we're going to
[4:13] leave that one right now. And remember
[4:16] that to refrain from killing doesn't
[4:19] just mean to refrain from murdering,
[4:22] but to refrain from diminishing life
[4:25] force in yourself, in others, and in the
[4:27] situations you encounter. Now, once
[4:29] again, a lot of the little side trip,
[4:32] there are situations that we face where
[4:35] it's not so simple.
[4:37] For example,
[4:38] we used to live in a house that was
[4:40] overrun with ants
[4:42] every spring. And I tried all sorts of
[4:44] ways of distracting them. Look over
[4:46] there, there's some really nice stuff
[4:47] over there outside. Why don't you go out
[4:49] there?
[4:50] And it didn't work. And every spring it
[4:53] got worse, and we would open our
[4:55] cabinets and they'd be crawling with
[4:56] ants, and no matter how clean we are and
[4:59] how many natural substances we used to
[5:02] turn them away,
[5:04] they encroached further and further.
[5:07] And at some point,
[5:09] it became apparent
[5:11] through many conversations with
[5:13] ant experts and so on, and from our own
[5:16] anecdotal observations,
[5:18] that it was either going to be them or
[5:19] us.
[5:21] That this was going to be their house,
[5:22] or it was going to be our house.
[5:25] So,
[5:26] we made what was a very difficult and
[5:29] unpleasant decision to terminate the
[5:32] giant anthill that had taken its life
[5:35] outside of our home.
[5:37] So, I guess the only reason I'm telling
[5:39] you this is because it's not that
[5:42] simple. Even this very straightforward
[5:44] notion of don't murder or no killing,
[5:47] you know, every time you take a step
[5:48] outside, you could be killing something.
[5:51] So, the instruction
[5:54] here is the best we can do and to pay
[5:57] attention as best you can to refraining
[6:00] from killing. Second precept, don't
[6:03] steal. Don't take what isn't yours
[6:06] and don't take what isn't given to you.
[6:09] So,
[6:10] of course, the obvious, don't be a
[6:13] shoplifter, don't take things that
[6:15] belong to other people. And if you're
[6:17] walking through a kitchen, let's say you
[6:19] live with roommates and you think, "Oh,
[6:20] that's a nice food over there. I'm not
[6:22] sure who it belongs to. Oh, surely no
[6:24] one will notice if I eat it." Don't do
[6:25] that.
[6:27] Check and see, is this mine?
[6:30] And if it is, carry on.
[6:32] And if it isn't,
[6:34] ask.
[6:35] Don't take what isn't offered.
[6:38] Don't take what isn't yours. Now, long
[6:40] ago, my stepson, who's now a grown man,
[6:43] introduced into my life a phrase called
[6:46] ninja borrowing.
[6:49] Ninja borrowing, he told me, is
[6:52] So funny. He's so smart. When you take
[6:54] something that doesn't belong to you,
[6:56] but put it back before anyone notices.
[6:59] No ninja borrowing is included in the
[7:02] precept not to steal. But the basic idea
[7:05] being, if it's not yours,
[7:07] take a beat.
[7:09] Examine the situation. Don't take it.
[7:11] Don't use it. Don't think of it as
[7:14] belonging to you without further
[7:16] investigation. The third precept,
[7:19] maybe the most difficult,
[7:22] don't lie. So, I'm not saying you're a
[7:23] liar. I'm not saying I'm a liar.
[7:26] But, if I can go through one whole day
[7:28] without telling some fibs,
[7:31] it's a good day. Now, usually when I
[7:33] tell a fib,
[7:35] that's the polite word, it's because I
[7:36] don't know that I'm doing it. Sometimes
[7:39] I lie because I'm a human being and I'm
[7:41] not ready to face the truth or I don't
[7:43] want to get in a fight with someone. You
[7:44] know, the normal reasons that people may
[7:47] not quite tell the truth. But, not lying
[7:50] begins with knowing what is true.
[7:54] Most of the time, that simple
[7:56] action of taking a pause to make sure
[7:59] you actually know
[8:01] if what you're saying is true,
[8:03] sort of solves the problems of lying.
[8:05] Now, you may know the truth and decide
[8:07] to lie anyway. But, you're human beings
[8:09] sometimes for various reasons, good or
[8:11] bad, that happens. But, in the meantime,
[8:15] let's all do our best
[8:17] not to lie.
[8:19] Now, in this particular climate, there
[8:21] may be no precept more important than
[8:24] this
[8:25] because a lot of people out there are
[8:28] lying
[8:29] about what they're really doing in our
[8:31] government. Let's just say the United
[8:33] States of America.
[8:35] They're lying about their opponents.
[8:37] They're lying about what they're going
[8:39] to do. They're lying about what they
[8:41] did. Like, trying to fool you. Oh, yeah.
[8:45] Everything's fine. Everything's
[8:47] affordable, for example.
[8:49] Well, okay. That is a [ __ ] lie.
[8:52] Excuse my language.
[8:53] And
[8:55] there seems to be
[8:56] a tendency
[8:58] in modern times
[9:00] to say things that you want people to
[9:02] believe as if they were true.
[9:05] Well, that is at the top of the heap of
[9:07] lying. That is horrible, harmful.
[9:10] Horrific. All the things.
[9:12] So, don't do that.
[9:14] Make sure that before you open your pie
[9:16] hole,
[9:18] you know that what you're about to say
[9:19] is true.
[9:20] And even if you think, "Well, it's
[9:21] probably true." Don't do it.
[9:24] Wait. Again.
[9:26] And make sure.
[9:27] The fourth precept is to
[9:30] refrain from inappropriate sexual
[9:31] conduct. I don't think I need to explain
[9:34] why that's important and essential in
[9:38] the beginning of the spiritual journey.
[9:40] Endless harm comes from breaking this
[9:42] precept.
[9:44] So, let's just leave out for now
[9:47] egregious sexual misconduct. We all know
[9:49] what it is. Don't do it. If you are a
[9:52] victim of it, my heart goes out to you.
[9:54] So, very clear, don't do that. But, it's
[9:57] not always clear.
[9:59] So, we can begin, perhaps,
[10:01] by investigating what it means to take
[10:04] advantage of someone else
[10:06] for our own enjoyment. Now, that's not
[10:09] sexual misconduct, exactly, but it is in
[10:12] the ballpark. It is the flavor. It has
[10:16] the imprint. So, while you're not
[10:18] running around effing people over,
[10:21] thank you,
[10:23] you could also pay attention to
[10:25] ignoring other people for your own
[10:28] satisfaction. That's a big topic.
[10:30] Something to think about.
[10:32] And then, the fifth precept is refrain
[10:35] from using intoxicants.
[10:37] I don't think this means never have a
[10:39] cocktail
[10:40] or never smoke weed
[10:42] ever, ever.
[10:44] Although,
[10:45] it's not a terrible thing to not do
[10:47] those things.
[10:48] I would point, instead, to the word
[10:50] intoxicating.
[10:53] Like,
[10:54] it doesn't say refrain from doing things
[10:56] that are relaxing after a very stressful
[10:58] situations.
[10:59] It's not saying refrain from
[11:03] softening
[11:05] the hard edges of your mind
[11:07] because you just can't take it anymore.
[11:09] Of course, it means don't be addicted,
[11:12] which is a very complicated topic.
[11:14] But, for me, personally, I'll just say I
[11:16] don't really drink and I don't really
[11:18] take drugs, not because I don't love
[11:20] them, but I was just in an accident a
[11:22] long time ago. I did damage to my liver,
[11:24] and I just try to be careful of those
[11:25] things.
[11:26] But, that doesn't mean I don't
[11:28] intoxicate myself in other ways by too
[11:31] much scrolling on stupid social media.
[11:34] Sorry if you're watching this on social
[11:36] media.
[11:37] Distracting myself with endlessly
[11:40] less than essential tasks. Now, it
[11:43] doesn't mean
[11:44] you don't want to space out and relax
[11:46] and do things to take your mind off
[11:48] difficulties. I'm not saying that. That
[11:50] would be ridiculous.
[11:52] But to pay attention to what are you
[11:54] doing to try to get high?
[11:57] Whether it's drinking, taking drugs, or
[12:00] trying to convince yourself that the
[12:02] points of view you espouse are the best
[12:04] points of view.
[12:05] And
[12:07] overly positive thinking
[12:09] is an intoxicant.
[12:12] And something to be considered in any
[12:15] case. Positivity police, lay down your
[12:19] weapons.
[12:20] There's room for thinking dark thoughts.
[12:22] There's room for
[12:25] feeling sad.
[12:27] There's room for
[12:29] grief and certainly anger. And sometimes
[12:33] it can feel that the only way around
[12:35] these very painful feelings is through
[12:38] intoxicants
[12:40] of material or abstract forms.
[12:43] So just to pay attention to these things
[12:46] is key.
[12:47] Now, in the Buddhist lineage that I was
[12:49] trained in,
[12:50] often it is suggested that you begin
[12:52] your daily practice by taking the five
[12:55] precepts. And you could take them in
[12:58] Sanskrit. You could say them in English.
[13:00] They're quite beautiful when they're
[13:02] chanted. They have a very dirge-like
[13:05] serious
[13:06] gravitas that is merited because these
[13:10] are important commitments to make. Now,
[13:13] I want to be sure to also mention about
[13:15] the five precepts that again in the
[13:18] lineage that I was trained in, it may be
[13:20] different in other places. There's a
[13:22] 24-hour shelf life for these precepts.
[13:25] You take them in the morning
[13:27] and then they expire.
[13:29] And then you take them again.
[13:31] And then 24 hours later, they expire.
[13:34] And you take them again, if you want.
[13:38] You don't have to.
[13:40] So, for example, you take the precepts
[13:41] today, tomorrow you're going to a party,
[13:44] and you're like, well, I'm going to have
[13:45] some cocktails, or if I
[13:47] I'm going to get drunk, okay.
[13:50] Don't drive.
[13:51] But otherwise, don't take that precept.
[13:53] You didn't take it that day, so you're
[13:55] not going to break it. Now,
[13:57] also,
[13:58] if you have taken the precepts, let's
[14:00] just say intoxicants, we use this as an
[14:01] example, it's kind of easier,
[14:03] and you're like, well, I took the
[14:05] precept, but now some friends invited me
[14:06] out for drinks, and I'm going,
[14:09] give the precept back.
[14:11] Make some gesture within yourself of
[14:14] returning it. I return this precept
[14:17] until tomorrow, where I will consider
[14:19] again what to do with this precept. So,
[14:22] in other words, you want clean lines in
[14:25] the precepts.
[14:26] It doesn't mean, I vow never to drink
[14:29] for the rest of my entire life. You're
[14:31] saying, I vow not to do it for the next
[14:33] 24 hours.
[14:36] And if I change my mind, I'm going to
[14:39] acknowledge that
[14:40] consciously and intentionally,
[14:43] and I'm going to return it
[14:45] in some way, in my mind, in my heart,
[14:49] and then I'll come back tomorrow and see
[14:50] what I feel like doing tomorrow. So,
[14:53] this is a very interesting, and I would
[14:55] say,
[14:56] expansive way of looking at the
[14:58] precepts.
[14:59] And for many raised in Judeo-Christian
[15:02] traditions,
[15:04] the
[15:05] laws of good behavior were not presented
[15:08] in this way, at least not that I'm aware
[15:10] of.
[15:11] They were presented as, you got to do
[15:13] these, you can't ever screw it up, and
[15:16] if you do, whoop, you're going to
[15:17] Palookaville, aka hell.
[15:20] So, really do your best. So, there's
[15:22] a lot of attention.
[15:24] And you know what? We're all going to
[15:25] eff it up. And I'm going to tell you, by
[15:27] the way, in a moment what effing it up
[15:29] actually looks like in this you.
[15:31] Uh because there's three parts to effing
[15:33] it up, and you have to complete all
[15:34] three before you consider it effed.
[15:37] The precepts are the way you live your
[15:39] day, not all days.
[15:41] This day.
[15:42] There
[15:44] are considerations for what to do
[15:47] if you break them or if you're about to
[15:49] break them.
[15:51] So, here's what constitutes breaking a
[15:52] precept. In, again, the Buddhist uh
[15:55] lineage that I was trained in,
[15:57] these three steps are the way all things
[16:00] are accomplished. All things are
[16:03] learned.
[16:04] These three steps break down the steps
[16:09] by which something, anything, is
[16:11] actually done.
[16:12] So, they're important, and I'm going to
[16:14] tell you what they are.
[16:15] So, they're called ground, path, and
[16:17] fruition.
[16:18] The ground, okay, I'm making a podcast
[16:20] right now. For me, the ground is
[16:22] I want to share the Dharma.
[16:25] I feel longing
[16:27] to
[16:28] share what has given my life so much
[16:31] value and joy.
[16:32] That's the ground I'm standing on right
[16:33] now, y'all.
[16:35] The path is I hit record
[16:38] on this computer.
[16:39] And I'm saying words, words, words,
[16:41] words, and I'm hoping that I'm doing my
[16:44] best.
[16:45] I am journeying through this
[16:47] endeavor
[16:48] of sharing with you
[16:50] what I have found useful
[16:52] with the heartfelt wish that you will
[16:54] find it useful, too, or silly, and
[16:56] therefore you won't have to think about
[16:57] it again, which is kind of weirdly
[16:59] useful in its own way.
[17:01] And then, the third step is called
[17:02] fruiting.
[17:04] Something happens.
[17:06] In the case of this podcast,
[17:08] you gain something.
[17:10] You gain an insight into something
[17:12] that's important to you, or you gain an
[17:14] insight into something that you never
[17:16] want to think about again cuz you don't
[17:17] think it's true.
[17:18] That would be a fruition. So, ground,
[17:20] path, and fruition are the three steps
[17:22] by which things are accomplished. When
[17:25] it comes to the five precepts,
[17:27] the ground, let's say of
[17:29] intoxicants,
[17:30] is you want to get drunk
[17:33] or high.
[17:34] Okay, that doesn't break the precept
[17:36] just cuz you want to.
[17:38] The path is you do it.
[17:41] You have a drink, you toke, you do
[17:43] whatever it is you do.
[17:45] You still haven't broken it. The
[17:47] fruition is
[17:48] you get high.
[17:49] So, all three of those things have to be
[17:51] there in order for the precept to be
[17:53] broken.
[17:55] Let's look at another example, lying.
[17:58] The ground of telling a lie is, let's
[18:01] say, I just don't want to tell the truth
[18:04] right now for whatever reason.
[18:06] The path is
[18:08] you construct something in your mind
[18:10] that you think, well, maybe people will
[18:12] buy this.
[18:13] And you say it. The third step, the
[18:15] fruition is someone believes you. Those
[18:18] are the three steps. Now you've broken
[18:20] the precept. If you just have one of
[18:22] those or two of those,
[18:24] the first one or the second one,
[18:26] you haven't broken it.
[18:27] So,
[18:28] there's nuance and detail in the way one
[18:31] could hold the five precepts.
[18:33] And to me, this is a very human way
[18:37] of looking at these very important
[18:39] things, not as sins,
[18:41] but as actions that you want to avoid.
[18:45] And there's instruction for how to do
[18:47] so.
[18:49] Today.
[18:50] Tomorrow you're going to have to do it
[18:51] all over again.
[18:52] So, I hope you found this useful.
[18:54] That'll be the fruition I'm hoping for.
[18:56] And now, let's go to our podcast after
[18:58] party.
[19:00] >> [music]
[19:05] >> So, a couple nights ago we had a party
[19:08] and we invited all sorts of people that
[19:10] we've known for many years here in
[19:12] Austin Texas. Most of whom were my
[19:15] friends originally from when I was a
[19:17] bartender, a cocktail waitress, and then
[19:19] a bartender at a blues club called
[19:22] Antone's, Austin's home of the blues.
[19:24] Still exists, still amazing, incredible
[19:27] still in all the ways. Long may it live.
[19:31] And I was making a playlist for the
[19:32] party. I'm like, I think I want to do
[19:34] all Texas guitar players.
[19:37] Where should I start?
[19:39] And the first person I thought of, and
[19:41] that's who I want to talk to you about
[19:42] today,
[19:43] was a musician named Magic Sam. His
[19:47] given name was Sam Maghett, m a g h e t
[19:50] t. Maybe it was pronounced Maghett, I
[19:52] don't know. But somehow Sam Maghett
[19:55] became Magic Sam,
[19:57] which became Magic Sam. And he recorded
[20:00] a seminal album, I believe it came out
[20:02] in 1957, called West Side Soul.
[20:05] And when I first landed here in Austin
[20:07] Texas in December of 1985,
[20:09] the Antone's blues scene was already
[20:11] completely in bloom.
[20:14] And
[20:15] the guitar players
[20:17] in the Antone's house band
[20:19] and in the scene in general will never
[20:21] come again.
[20:22] And I'm talking about Stevie Ray
[20:24] Vaughan,
[20:25] Jimmie Vaughan,
[20:27] Denny Freeman, who was in the Antone's
[20:29] house band and played with Bob Dylan for
[20:31] many years, an extraordinary player.
[20:33] Derek O'Brien, also in the Antone's
[20:36] house band, an extraordinary player, who
[20:38] composed the intro music for this very
[20:40] podcast.
[20:42] And younger players coming up like the
[20:44] great Sue Foley and Charlie Sexton and
[20:47] Gary Clark Jr. Some of whom were hanging
[20:50] around Antone's when they were little
[20:51] kids.
[20:52] Could also mention Doyle Bramhall
[20:54] the second, we called him Little Doyle.
[20:56] Uh cuz his dad, Big Doyle, was a
[20:58] drummer. Anyway, he plays with Eric
[21:00] Clapton and
[21:01] is an exceptional guitar player, too.
[21:03] But this was the flavor of this scene.
[21:06] And I would say to a person
[21:10] one of the greatest icons
[21:13] was Magic Sam who changed the course of
[21:16] blues music.
[21:17] Was in the generation just after Muddy
[21:19] Waters
[21:20] and Buddy Guy and so on
[21:23] and introduced a sort of propulsive
[21:26] rockin' electric
[21:29] boogie way
[21:31] of approaching blues. So, Clifford
[21:33] Antone who started Antone's
[21:36] passed away about 15 years ago, long
[21:38] time ago now.
[21:40] Magic Sam was probably his hero,
[21:42] although on any given day he would have
[21:43] told you Eddie Taylor is the greatest
[21:45] guitar player that there ever was or
[21:48] Clarence Gatemouth Brown would have been
[21:49] the greatest if he didn't play all that
[21:51] country [ __ ] He had his own, you know,
[21:52] very intense opinions
[21:55] sometimes
[21:56] changing from day to day, but no
[21:58] stranger to superlatives, that one.
[22:00] However, Magic Sam
[22:03] was known as an influence on I would say
[22:06] all these guitar players. I I've not
[22:07] asked them all
[22:09] but I would be surprised if any of them
[22:10] said, "Oh, Magic Sam, meh." or anything
[22:13] like that.
[22:15] So, the track I want to play for you may
[22:17] not be among his best-known tracks, but
[22:20] it is on the seminal album West Side
[22:23] Soul
[22:24] and it's called looking good.
[22:27] And it's basically an instrumental
[22:29] although he says looking good every now
[22:30] and then in the recording
[22:33] and you can't not move when you hear
[22:35] this.
[22:36] It's
[22:37] for me, this is my way of describing it
[22:40] sort of juke joint meets
[22:43] big stage.
[22:45] Both of those quality are very much
[22:47] alive to me in this recording.
[22:50] I hope you'll enjoy listening to it.
[22:51] Magic Sam, looking good.
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[22:59] >> Hey!
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[23:03] >> Come on, boy. for me.
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[23:10] >> Everything is good.
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[23:40] >> Hey.
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[23:42] >> Hey mama.
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[23:49] >> You're looking good, baby.
[23:52] Looking good, mama.
[23:54] Here we go.
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[25:29] >> Hey.
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[26:02] >> I'm sorry.
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