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[2:12] So, the title of today
[2:15] is
[2:16] I think it's the only job that you have
[2:19] is to let God
[2:23] I have to go and look at the title
[2:24] again.
[2:28] Your only job is to let God take over.
[2:34] Your only job is to let God take over.
[2:57] >> [snorts]
[6:08] >> Hey.
[7:45] >> So, we'll just start from the very
[7:47] beginning.
[7:49] Um
[7:59] So, what happens for most of us
[8:05] is that
[8:08] at around the age two or three years
[8:10] old,
[8:11] we used to begin to develop something
[8:13] that we can call the ego or the separate
[8:16] self.
[8:41] And what that is is um
[8:45] the identification with the body mind.
[8:48] So, before two or three years old,
[8:53] you didn't know
[8:55] that you had a body.
[8:57] Unless you were like super intelligent,
[8:59] like some
[9:02] Some kids are super intelligent and know
[9:04] know that a lot younger, but
[9:06] most
[9:08] is later two, three, four.
[9:11] You didn't know that this was your body.
[9:15] Or that you were interacting with the
[9:17] world, that there was a
[9:20] a you here interacting. There was just
[9:22] action.
[9:24] So, this is similar to the animals.
[9:25] There's just crying,
[9:27] happiness, joy, fear.
[9:31] But, there's nobody
[9:33] that knows that.
[9:34] So, the baby doesn't know it or the
[9:36] toddler doesn't know that they're sad.
[9:39] There is just sadness.
[9:42] And then at two or three years old, we
[9:44] begin to develop a separate self.
[9:48] And what that means is somebody that
[9:52] watches everything that's happening
[9:55] and
[9:56] judges it in a way.
[9:58] And it's very weak at two or three years
[10:01] old. It gets stronger through time, but
[10:03] you begin to get awareness of yourself.
[10:07] So, you could look at it a little bit
[10:09] like
[10:11] like Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden.
[10:14] They become aware of their nakedness and
[10:16] get chucked out of Eden.
[10:18] So it's like they become self-aware.
[10:20] They're no longer innocent. They're no
[10:21] longer
[10:23] just playing,
[10:25] just eating, just crying, just being
[10:28] happy.
[10:29] There is somebody that is aware
[10:32] of that.
[10:35] This is what we call the separate self.
[10:39] Or some people call it the ego.
[10:43] Um it's kind of easy to call it the ego,
[10:45] but I always find that a little
[10:47] challenging cuz my teachers use the word
[10:49] ego in the positive.
[10:51] They use that as meaning um
[10:54] like the character, the personality.
[10:59] So
[11:02] So this ego, this separate self,
[11:04] begins to realize that there is somebody
[11:08] that is upset. So rather than being just
[11:10] upsetness, there is somebody that is
[11:13] upset.
[11:16] And then that separate self is like
[11:17] that's me. That person that's upset is
[11:20] me, and I don't want to be upset.
[11:24] So rather than just being upset, there's
[11:26] also now somebody that doesn't want to
[11:28] be upset.
[11:31] Or somebody that's embarrassed about
[11:32] being upset.
[11:36] Or somebody that wants to be joyful.
[11:38] Whatever stories begin to form.
[11:42] And then this is the creation of the
[11:44] illusory self. That very mechanism.
[11:49] And it can happen in the positive. So
[11:51] it's like
[11:52] it's happy and it wants to stay happy.
[11:55] It doesn't want to not be unhappy.
[11:58] It doesn't always have to be negative.
[12:01] But basically there is like this once
[12:03] removal where you're suddenly aware of
[12:06] yourself. Like for me, the way it used
[12:07] to be was like I had an image of myself
[12:09] in the head.
[12:11] I felt like I had an image that I was
[12:13] always trying to live up to.
[12:15] This image like of was always trying to
[12:19] yeah, be something.
[12:21] I was often telling stories about who I
[12:24] was
[12:25] and what I wanted other people to see,
[12:28] what I wanted to do, what I wanted to
[12:30] be.
[12:32] And it was like there was somebody aware
[12:35] of the personality, of the
[12:37] characteristics, of the
[12:40] habits and the conditions of the body
[12:41] mind mechanism.
[12:43] And then that somebody
[12:45] was trying to steer and control life and
[12:48] wanted a particular way.
[12:50] So, the baby and the animal
[12:52] um
[12:54] I'm not saying they're enlightened, but
[12:55] they don't have this separation yet.
[12:59] They don't have this ability to imagine
[13:03] themself.
[13:05] So, I have a new dog called Lakshmi
[13:09] and or a puppy called Lakshmi, and she
[13:13] she doesn't have the ability to look in
[13:16] the mirror
[13:18] and to think, "Wow, I am a stunningly
[13:20] beautiful puppy." Or, "Wow, I'm a really
[13:24] ugly puppy. I really want to be a better
[13:26] looking puppy."
[13:28] Like she can't recognize herself. She
[13:31] can't She doesn't have
[13:33] a sense of herself. So, she's just
[13:35] everything that's happening.
[13:38] So, when she's barking, she's barking.
[13:40] When she's When she's eating, she's ea-
[13:42] eating. There's nobody that is separate
[13:45] that's telling a story, that's wanting
[13:47] something better. And I'm not saying
[13:48] that's enlightenment.
[13:50] But it's different from what happens in
[13:52] the human world of
[13:56] cre- creating this separate person.
[14:01] Separate character.
[14:08] And this character forms through time
[14:10] and it's unquestioned as if it's the
[14:13] reality of things.
[14:16] is unquestioned.
[14:17] So, if you were to speak to most people
[14:19] in society, they would describe
[14:24] the one that is aware of itself. I don't
[14:28] mean awareness in the big sense. I mean
[14:30] the personal awareness, the one that is
[14:31] like "Oh,
[14:34] I like shopping and I I like
[14:39] trees and I like nature and I like
[14:41] walking and I want to be this and I want
[14:44] to be that and I don't want this and
[14:47] so
[14:48] and I have a certain amount of my bank
[14:50] balance and I'm a doctor and I'm this
[14:52] and I'm that and that you know, you're
[14:53] always trying to like form this image of
[14:55] yourself and
[14:56] dependent on your habits and conditions
[14:59] make the best possible you or the worst
[15:01] possible you. Sometimes the worst
[15:03] possible you can be seen as a good thing
[15:05] to the ego.
[15:07] The separate self.
[15:11] So,
[15:12] yeah, this
[15:14] this separation
[15:17] is in non-duality what we call
[15:19] suffering.
[15:20] So, this
[15:21] this ability to
[15:23] judge oneself, see oneself, and then
[15:26] believe that you can do it differently
[15:28] or better or you can be something else
[15:30] than what you are.
[15:31] So, the freedom of the animals and the
[15:33] babies
[15:34] is that they don't feel like they could
[15:36] be any better. They don't have remorse
[15:38] or guilt or shame or pride because they
[15:41] can't imagine themselves in that way.
[15:44] They just are wherever they are in every
[15:46] moment.
[15:48] Whatever is arising.
[16:13] And this false imagination, this false
[16:17] identification
[16:19] grows and creates
[16:22] suffering.
[16:25] And creates a world that you live in in
[16:27] time, in imagination.
[16:30] So, rather than being present to what's
[16:32] actually have happening,
[16:35] there's always an imagining of what's
[16:37] happening in a daydream of what's
[16:39] happening. So, you're not seeing life as
[16:40] it is, you're seeing life through a lens
[16:43] of your imagination.
[16:56] And it creates this energetic feeling in
[16:58] the body of
[17:00] of being inside the body, that you are
[17:02] somebody inside the body.
[17:04] So, it creates this feeling of there's
[17:07] somebody here and it's really real.
[17:10] That is who you are.
[17:13] And the reason it creates so much
[17:14] suffering is because
[17:18] Well, firstly, the body's got to die, so
[17:20] you believe that you're the body and
[17:22] then you believe you're going to die.
[17:24] And then you believe that the body has
[17:26] things and that it is who you are. So,
[17:29] when you interact with other people, you
[17:31] want it to be better than other people.
[17:33] You want it to be like the most shiny,
[17:34] best thing in the universe because that
[17:37] is who you are.
[17:39] It's like um
[17:41] unbearable to not be perfect cuz that is
[17:44] who you are.
[17:46] And you can't
[17:48] really control
[17:51] what happens in life. There's seeming
[17:54] control, but in the end, a lot of us
[17:56] know that it goes the way it goes.
[18:13] In non-duality, what we teach
[18:15] is to go back to the source of what you
[18:19] are before
[18:21] the
[18:22] cation
[18:23] in time.
[18:25] So, go back to the initial I before it
[18:27] goes
[18:28] I am this body. I am good. I am better
[18:33] than I am worse than I want this. I want
[18:36] that.
[18:37] And to stay in the initial I.
[18:42] And the initial I seems to work as like
[18:46] a
[18:48] gateless gateway to your true self, to
[18:50] beingness, to wholeness,
[18:53] to that which was never separate.
[18:57] And that which was never separate is
[18:59] totally empty.
[19:02] It's totally empty
[19:04] and full simultaneously.
[19:09] So, it's not a thing
[19:13] and it's all things.
[19:15] And what can happen is there can be a
[19:17] resting
[19:18] in that rather than resting
[19:21] as this constant moving film of you and
[19:24] your life.
[19:27] And this is what in non-duality we call
[19:29] the end of suffering because
[19:31] suffering only can rise in suffering and
[19:35] not suffering, in opposites.
[19:38] And this is the end of opposites.
[19:41] Not two.
[19:44] So, even when we describe this as
[19:47] positive things in a way, it can't
[19:49] really be the positive things either.
[19:52] Because that's all description. It's
[19:54] beyond two-ness.
[20:15] But when you rest as yourself, it's not
[20:18] so much that
[20:20] or it's not at all that the ego, the
[20:23] separate person, is acting,
[20:25] you you lose that dynamic and then life
[20:28] flows through you.
[20:33] So, actions happen, you could say, by
[20:35] God.
[20:37] So, you're letting God act.
[20:39] So, in every moment, action is appearing
[20:42] spontaneously rather than through the
[20:45] story of you.
[20:47] Um that spontaneous
[20:49] spontaneously
[20:52] is coming from no place and all places
[20:55] that is God.
[20:57] No place and all place.
[21:08] That's so simple, but it sounds so
[21:10] complicated.
[21:12] I really understand that.
[21:40] That's so simple.
[21:43] Ramesh Balsekar, my teacher, he used to
[21:45] say,
[21:46] "Consciousness speaks."
[21:48] So, you just got to let consciousness
[21:50] speak.
[21:51] Um but we could rephrase that today as
[21:54] that you just got to let God speak.
[21:57] And that means coming back to this
[21:58] moment and letting action arise from
[22:01] this moment
[22:02] rather than from the story of you.
[22:06] That doesn't mean we don't use thinking,
[22:09] but thinking is different from the story
[22:12] of you.
[23:08] >> Yeah, nice. So, that's the end of the
[23:10] introduction today.
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[23:49] No sound in the stillness here.
[23:52] Huh.
[23:54] I'm hoping that others
[23:56] had sound when I was just speaking.
[24:00] Yeah.
[24:01] Okay.
[24:05] How many times has that happened to me?
[24:08] But, I'll just check on YouTube that I
[24:10] have sound.
[24:25] Yeah, I have sound on YouTube.
[24:29] Yeah, Mati,
[24:30] You can um unmute yourself.
[24:33] >> Hello, Lisa.
[24:37] Can you hear me?
[24:39] >> Yeah, I can hear you. Um
[24:43] Sorry, I'm just um babysitting puppies
[24:45] and they're now just um
[24:48] barking lots. I'm just going to have to
[24:50] go and check if everything's okay.
[26:54] >> Okay, thank you Matthew. You can
[26:56] >> You're welcome.
[26:57] >> speak.
[26:59] >> Um yeah, um
[27:02] I have a question about um
[27:05] I'm experiencing
[27:06] really difficult energies in my body.
[27:11] Uh
[27:11] and it feels almost like an energy of
[27:14] [clears throat]
[27:15] I don't like to use this word, but an
[27:16] energy of um
[27:18] death of like a poisonous inside me, you
[27:21] know, and uh it takes me over
[27:24] from time to time, and I've found some
[27:26] ways to
[27:28] you know, to shake, to um
[27:31] express it.
[27:33] But it's almost overwhelming at times,
[27:36] and um
[27:37] I it's it's it's where like
[27:40] non-duality get really visceral for me.
[27:43] It's
[27:45] So, this feels better afterwards when
[27:47] this happens,
[27:49] but I'm almost scared of the reactions,
[27:52] and
[27:53] I'm almost scared of like
[27:56] um
[27:57] I could go into panic, or like um
[28:00] sometimes I feel my nervous system is
[28:02] not ready for that.
[28:04] And um yeah, I don't yeah, I don't know
[28:07] if you have any advice, or if you've
[28:09] come across people who have these kind
[28:10] of things, like uh because I feel like
[28:13] I've done some breath work, some body
[28:15] work, and
[28:17] it has activated something inside me,
[28:18] which is I think nice, but at the same
[28:20] time, um
[28:22] I do have to calm it calm it down a
[28:24] little bit uh from time to time, because
[28:27] otherwise I'm just not functional in
[28:28] society, and that's not what I want.
[28:31] >> Yeah.
[28:31] >> Yeah. [gasps]
[28:33] >> Do you know do you know what the fear is
[28:34] about?
[28:36] >> Uh
[28:36] >> Afraid of dying or
[28:38] >> It's kind of abandonment. Like it's like
[28:41] being totally alone. Like
[28:44] yeah.
[28:47] >> Mhm.
[28:53] >> It's like having no one to to help me.
[28:56] Like to
[28:57] So it's really close to death. Like it's
[28:59] a kind of death. Like really I woke up
[29:02] this morning and
[29:03] I think my phone wasn't working or
[29:05] something and I had a panic. Like what
[29:06] happens? Like I cannot call anyone. I I
[29:09] just like just this kind of like um
[29:12] >> [clears throat]
[29:12] >> I don't know trauma or like
[29:15] Yeah.
[29:16] It's just like fear of like
[29:20] >> Mhm.
[29:21] >> Yeah.
[30:29] >> I don't know if you feel like it's so
[30:30] nice and juicy. It's like I know it's
[30:33] really uncomfortable but it's such a
[30:34] nice juicy thing that you can explore in
[30:37] such depth.
[30:39] But it's really uncomfortable.
[30:41] I know that.
[30:43] And I'd assume that you're going to you
[30:45] need somebody to
[30:47] step you through it.
[30:51] And what that means is somebody to
[30:53] gently
[30:55] guide you through all the thoughts and
[30:57] feelings and get you more and more
[30:59] comfortable with sitting in it.
[31:03] With
[31:04] allowing that intensity to come up and
[31:07] not overwhelm you.
[31:09] And at the same time if you go into
[31:12] too much trauma doing something to move
[31:15] the energy so you don't get stuck in a a
[31:17] trauma.
[31:20] But I think it's like really beautiful
[31:22] to get to that depth of abandonment
[31:25] because you know that's what most people
[31:27] in the society are running around.
[31:28] That's the base of the ego.
[31:30] The two bases of the ego are the way I
[31:33] was taught was
[31:35] the fear of being abandoned, so the
[31:37] craving to be loved, and then the fear
[31:40] of death. And that's the avoidance of
[31:42] fear.
[31:43] But they're kind of the same thing, but
[31:45] they just got slightly different edges
[31:47] to them. And And sometimes people have
[31:49] both just as strongly. Sometimes people
[31:51] have one more than the other.
[31:53] But if you look at society, that's what
[31:56] most people are doing is they're running
[31:58] around trying not to be abandoned.
[32:00] And they're doing everything to try to
[32:03] stay in the group and to feel loved.
[32:06] It doesn't mean that you reject everyone
[32:08] and that you don't have any friends or
[32:09] closeness.
[32:11] But it's just tackling that underlying
[32:13] fear feeling
[32:15] and seeing that it's not true. When you
[32:17] When you know who you are, which I know
[32:19] you do know who you are, but it flips
[32:20] and flops.
[32:22] When you know you are like you
[32:24] you know you're always in yourself.
[32:26] You're rested in yourself.
[32:30] And so your safety is there.
[32:33] Your non-abandonment is there.
[32:36] But I feel like it's a really great
[32:38] place to be, but it's intense and it's
[32:41] not so easy to do it alone.
[32:43] I didn't do it alone.
[32:44] >> Yeah. Yeah, I I I have
[32:46] people people helping me. I do like
[32:49] but I never know, you know, should I
[32:51] even, you know, do it even more like I'm
[32:54] following I'm being followed by a
[32:57] therapist like uh
[32:59] but
[33:01] uh but sometimes it's even this
[33:02] sometimes it's not enough like uh
[33:04] >> Mhm.
[33:06] >> And the problem is that like the moment
[33:08] you have this reaction coming coming
[33:10] it's it's not always a moment like where
[33:12] the
[33:13] people are available or like uh
[33:15] >> Yeah.
[33:15] >> Yeah, this this is not it's not I cannot
[33:18] control it, you know, like this is the
[33:19] whole thing like uh
[33:22] And I know I could release more stuff,
[33:24] but sometimes the environment doesn't
[33:27] allow me to release more stuff like uh
[33:29] it's just like that, you know, like uh
[33:32] So, it's really hard to deal with.
[33:34] >> But I'm sure there's many times where
[33:36] you do get to tackle it and look at it.
[33:39] It's easy to see the times that you
[33:40] don't.
[33:42] You know, especially when you had an
[33:43] episode like this morning, but I'm sure
[33:45] there's many times where you do get to
[33:46] go into it. So, I wouldn't also get into
[33:49] a perfectionistic mind state where it's
[33:51] like okay, you've always got to be on
[33:53] top of it and you've always got to
[33:56] to do or be a certain way when these
[33:58] things come up. Sometimes it's okay to
[33:59] avoid yourself, distract to make
[34:01] yourself feel better.
[34:03] But on the whole, you're generally
[34:04] attempting to go into yourself more and
[34:07] more and more and it is working.
[34:10] >> Yeah, it's actually working great. This
[34:12] is the This is why I have all these
[34:13] reactions like
[34:15] it is really scary you know in a way
[34:16] also like uh
[34:17] >> I know, totally. It's like the most
[34:19] terrifying thing a person could do is go
[34:21] into themselves. Isn't that crazy?
[34:23] >> Yeah.
[34:24] >> the most terrifying thing that one one
[34:26] can do.
[34:27] >> And it's difficult
[34:28] to explain this to people around also
[34:30] like there is really few people who can
[34:31] relate to this like uh
[34:33] >> Mhm.
[34:33] >> like okay, I'm going into my traumas and
[34:36] like uh
[34:37] why why would you do this?
[34:38] >> [laughter]
[34:38] >> Yeah.
[34:39] >> Yeah.
[34:41] Nobody wants to hear about you know,
[34:43] like uh
[34:44] quite interesting like, you know,
[34:46] >> And this is also why it's good to cuz
[34:48] you're right, it is too expensive to
[34:49] just like keep finding therapists or
[34:51] working with people all the time. But
[34:53] it's also if you can find peers as well
[34:55] that are going through the same thing
[34:56] and you can do like a peer-to-peer
[34:58] support
[34:59] where when you're going into something
[35:00] they can hold space for you and when
[35:02] you're going into something.
[35:03] And I know that's not so easy, but it's
[35:05] something that you can have in mind when
[35:07] you go on retreat or when you meet
[35:08] people into this subject.
[35:11] It's like it's this idea of supporting
[35:14] each other.
[35:15] >> Yeah.
[35:42] >> It could also be really good in the
[35:43] relationship as well if you're both into
[35:45] this
[35:46] subject.
[35:48] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[35:51] Yeah, I'm trying to to relate more to to
[35:54] extend my circle to
[35:57] people who
[35:59] are into non-duality or who can
[36:01] understand this uh but it's it's not
[36:03] that easy. It's not
[36:04] It doesn't like
[36:06] I think it can take some time to
[36:07] >> Yeah, it can. And to then trust
[36:10] to trust the people, you know, to trust
[36:12] that they're not going to like
[36:13] beat you up for your dynamic. So it's
[36:15] also like trusting their depth that they
[36:17] have enough depth to support you. I know
[36:19] it's
[36:20] it's um it does take time.
[36:24] >> Yeah, yeah. And when you enter kind of
[36:26] relationship like that, it's also both
[36:28] ways. So you have to you're always going
[36:30] to feel your feeling or you're you're
[36:31] going to have to feel the feeling of the
[36:33] other person. So that's also a huge
[36:34] responsibility like I think on both
[36:36] sides and but that's a really beautiful
[36:38] thing to have I think when you can
[36:40] >> Yeah.
[36:41] >> So that's Yeah, that's really great to
[36:43] talk about this because I think that's
[36:44] also a thing we most people forget in
[36:46] the past like uh
[36:48] most people do it alone and it really
[36:50] helps I think to have like community or
[36:52] like people that you can share with and
[36:54] like uh just to to just to understand
[36:56] that you're not going totally mad. It's
[36:58] just like a normal thing that happens on
[37:00] the way and
[37:02] yeah.
[37:03] Mhm. Yeah, I totally agree.
[37:11] Okay.
[37:15] Thank you.
[37:16] >> Yeah, please unmute you.
[37:18] And just another thing is that if also
[37:21] like sometimes people convert to
[37:23] vegetarianism on this path and if you
[37:25] have converted to vegetarianism, then
[37:27] just remember we're really recommending
[37:28] that you take all B's or your vitamin
[37:31] B's because
[37:32] certain B's being low in certain B's B
[37:35] vitamins can also increase panic.
[37:39] So
[37:40] yeah.
[37:45] >> Yeah.
[37:50] >> Thank you.
[37:51] >> Thank you.
[37:58] >> Yeah, Melody, you can
[38:01] unmute yourself. I just actually before
[38:03] I speak with you Melody, I just saw go
[38:05] to a written question.
[38:16] Na- Natasha
[38:18] Matthew, I am currently alone a lot. I
[38:21] can be with you and you need
[38:23] understand what you go through. You can
[38:26] contact me.
[38:28] Oh, that's really beautiful. You see
[38:30] it's sort of
[38:31] the ball gets rolling.
[38:34] Yeah.
[38:42] Okay, Melody, we can um
[38:45] >> I just want to make sure Stan Stanis was
[38:47] in front of me if that's okay. He
[38:49] doesn't mind.
[38:50] Stannis had his hand up. Stannis had his
[38:53] head a hand up ahead of me.
[38:55] >> Okay, yes Stan, please. Yeah, and mute
[38:57] yourself.
[39:02] >> Lisa
[39:03] >> Hey Stan, nice to see you.
[39:07] Yeah, it's a long time.
[39:18] >> Uh
[39:21] So, I'm
[39:23] I'm probably going to present something
[39:25] quite similar to what I
[39:28] I showed you a few years ago.
[39:30] Um I guess
[39:32] when patterns things repeat like that um
[39:36] Yeah, they come back cuz they have to be
[39:38] worked on again again.
[39:40] And uh
[39:42] for me often the energy the
[39:46] grieving is a
[39:48] is a strong teaching.
[39:51] And uh
[39:53] And I mean that space of grieving where
[39:55] you know, I not only grieve the the
[39:57] absence of the person left
[40:00] but I also grieve the
[40:02] I feel the pain of that person meeting
[40:04] someone new.
[40:06] >> Mhm.
[40:07] >> And uh
[40:09] I seem to create uh very strong uh
[40:13] I mean, one of a part of it is real, but
[40:16] another part is imaginary, I would say.
[40:19] I have no idea what's going on out
[40:21] there, but you know, my imagination
[40:24] makes me suffer and
[40:26] I I
[40:27] I
[40:28] uh
[40:31] Anyway, I there's a part of it that's an
[40:33] probably unnecessary suffering of
[40:36] um imagination, but also
[40:39] in the end doesn't matter because what
[40:41] it does is it it it it just severe the
[40:44] attachment to my weakness
[40:45] in the necessary step in in in letting
[40:48] go like she's she's she's not doesn't
[40:51] she's not mine anymore, you know?
[40:54] Um
[41:02] All right, so
[41:03] I don't know if I have a question, it's
[41:05] more to to to say that um
[41:10] um
[41:13] I find quite difficult to
[41:25] You know, it's like I'm having this
[41:26] experience, what is happening to me,
[41:27] okay?
[41:29] And at the same time, I feel oh, yeah.
[41:33] I'm not supposed to feel this. I'm doing
[41:36] it wrong or I should be you know,
[41:39] this is
[41:41] um
[41:42] selfish of me to
[41:44] uh
[41:48] Yeah.
[41:49] I guess that's what I was
[41:50] >> um San, I just wanted to interrupt you
[41:52] and just say that your video is being
[41:53] streamed on YouTube, so you're welcome
[41:55] to like turn your video off if you don't
[41:57] want it put on YouTube.
[41:59] >> Oh, this I don't mind, but yeah.
[42:01] >> Okay.
[42:03] >> Okay.
[42:04] Um
[42:07] Sorry, sorry for the the confusion and
[42:09] um
[42:11] I need to get my
[42:13] >> No problem.
[42:16] >> Um
[42:18] I guess that's also what is happening is
[42:20] kind of I'm keep feeling it, like
[42:24] what's wrong with me, you know? Why am I
[42:28] uh And and it's part of it, you know, to
[42:30] be plunged into this
[42:33] um
[42:34] thing. I don't know what the person
[42:35] before talked about. I just joined that.
[42:37] It's human subject of
[42:39] what is this thing I'm I'm plunged in uh
[42:42] abandonment and um
[42:47] uh
[42:53] And and and you with years I've done
[42:55] this a few times now and I can see
[42:58] non-violent communication helps me
[43:00] because I
[43:02] I have resources to
[43:05] uh don't panic too much
[43:08] bring things to the body
[43:11] and cuz it's I have to practice in that
[43:14] moment. It's not an option anymore. I
[43:18] I'm so scared and I'm so hurt
[43:21] that I have to attend my feelings and
[43:25] um
[43:26] my body.
[43:44] And of course
[43:48] the best to be to
[43:50] abide in the present but
[43:55] that seems to that
[43:59] that if I abide in the present it can be
[44:01] a way of
[44:02] avoiding feelings.
[44:05] So it's a subtle navigation.
[44:14] >> Yeah, it's a subtle navigation.
[44:19] My My advice is that when it's strong do
[44:23] body work and do somatic work and
[44:26] investigate the feeling and when it
[44:29] isn't so strong then rest in the I am.
[44:33] >> Mhm.
[44:34] >> And and explore, you know
[44:37] what Roger used to teach me was he used
[44:39] to teach me
[44:41] you know, what is it
[44:43] you know, if you if you died right now
[44:47] like what is it that you're afraid of
[44:48] letting go of with relationships and
[44:51] with other people. You know, explore
[44:54] what it is that
[44:56] you want
[44:58] from relationships, what feeling it is.
[45:01] And has life ever proven to
[45:04] give you it through relationships? Like,
[45:06] can you ever get that feeling? Can you
[45:08] ever get that experience?
[45:12] You know, and deeply deeply see that
[45:14] that it doesn't it doesn't work. It's
[45:16] not saying don't have relationships,
[45:17] it's just that
[45:19] you're never going to get
[45:22] that
[45:23] >> Mhm.
[45:24] >> the feeling of not being abandoned or
[45:25] the feeling of completeness from a
[45:27] relationship. It's always going to
[45:31] in a way end or change or
[45:34] it might be moments of it, but it won't
[45:36] last.
[45:38] So, it's it's seeing that just again and
[45:41] again and again. And doing these two
[45:43] things, when it's strong emotion, then
[45:45] do somatic bodywork and investigate. And
[45:48] when it's less strong, then just rest
[45:50] yourself.
[46:23] >> And
[46:24] I feel close.
[46:26] Well, and
[46:28] and knowing, you know, like every time I
[46:31] I go through this,
[46:33] I feel I I know less, you know?
[46:37] And
[46:39] and it's so freeing to know less and to
[46:42] feel more
[46:44] trust more.
[46:46] >> Mhm.
[46:48] >> And just to finish, I also see that it's
[46:50] actually every time I go through a wave
[46:52] of that I I
[46:54] it actually makes me more alive and more
[46:57] alive, you know, and
[46:59] I'm so grateful for life. I'm just
[47:02] grateful even friend come and sit next
[47:04] to me cuz I know I'm so uh
[47:07] vulnerable that I feel like how
[47:09] beautiful it is that someone can sit
[47:11] next to me.
[47:12] >> Yeah.
[47:13] >> And
[47:14] and yesterday we had you know, we had a
[47:16] bad time group here and we need um
[47:20] Um I'm so lucky to lead the bad time and
[47:24] and
[47:25] and the bad time was so beautiful
[47:27] yesterday cuz my heart was so raw.
[47:31] I felt that oh my god, is that a
[47:34] direct connection and
[47:36] you know, God is love and
[47:38] and it can be transmitted in in the
[47:40] voice and the energy of the bad time.
[47:43] You were
[47:45] so happy, but so so intense for 3 hours.
[47:50] >> Yeah, nice.
[47:54] >> I've been seeing you for a while without
[47:56] talking and I'm so happy to see you and
[47:59] uh
[47:59] >> Yeah, really happy to see you.
[48:02] Yeah, really nice.
[48:05] Yeah, thank you for for your hand up.
[48:08] Yeah, lots of love to you.
[48:16] So um yeah, if you just be aware that um
[48:21] if you ask a question
[48:23] your video is going to be streamed. So
[48:25] what you can do is you can turn your
[48:27] video off and you can change your name
[48:29] as well.
[48:30] I have given you the option to change
[48:32] your name.
[48:34] Yeah.
[48:50] Yeah, Melody, you can unmute yourself.
[48:54] >> Hello.
[48:55] >> Hey, Melody.
[48:56] >> Um
[48:57] I
[48:59] strongly relate or me. I feel
[49:04] I relate to what's being discussed or
[49:07] I'm
[49:09] I relate to this wave of emotion that's
[49:12] being discussed now.
[49:14] I and and I call it a wave for cuz for
[49:17] me how it shows up, it comes like a
[49:20] wave. It's like a tidal wave of emotion
[49:23] and I've been working on this
[49:26] for about 2 years now cuz when you
[49:28] originally told me to stay in the I am
[49:30] sense during these [clears throat]
[49:33] heavy emotions or the scary ones, the
[49:36] dense emotions that we don't like like
[49:38] anger or frustration or betrayal or
[49:42] the bad the bad ones we think we call
[49:44] them bad.
[49:45] That's what we've been conditioned and
[49:48] it's take it's taken me till about now
[49:50] to be able to stay in it without
[49:53] popping out. That's the best way and I
[49:56] know
[49:57] there's no need to pop out, but it's
[49:59] when I
[50:01] it's like a a wave and it it's like a
[50:03] rip tide. You've ever gone swimming in a
[50:06] rip tide sucks you down in the ocean and
[50:08] it's like I I get pulled in the stories
[50:13] I almost feel like I get pulled in and I
[50:15] see it happening now.
[50:17] Um
[50:19] and the only thing that's helped me
[50:22] is is to go back into the body
[50:25] when it's happening and I don't pop out
[50:28] and now when it happens and I can't and
[50:30] I can stay
[50:32] in the I am sense during an argument or
[50:37] a strong discussion or something.
[50:39] Um
[50:43] I guess the best thing I I figured out
[50:45] how to slow down
[50:47] something in my body and mind however
[50:50] it'd been put together and I'm um
[50:52] wired
[50:54] tight and I'm like an A personality, but
[50:57] when I slow down
[50:59] go down down down into my body, I can
[51:01] stay there and see it.
[51:04] >> Mhm.
[51:04] >> And I have little portions of wow, this
[51:08] is interesting. Or like Calista was
[51:11] saying,
[51:13] I'm finding some beauty in it.
[51:15] I don't know, but I love how you said
[51:17] it. It's either a a fear of death or
[51:20] fear of abandonment.
[51:23] Must be a fear of abandonment. I I guess
[51:25] I'll look into that more. That's all.
[51:28] >> This This is so close.
[51:30] Yeah, they're so close the fear fear of
[51:33] death and fear of abandonment.
[51:35] Kind of the same thing.
[51:37] >> And sometimes when I've popped I got
[51:40] popped out of it or I I go to
[51:42] distraction or I've gone to distraction
[51:44] to get out of it because the it's so
[51:46] intense.
[51:48] Like what is this?
[51:50] And sometimes I can look into it. I'm
[51:52] able to look at it more.
[51:54] I don't know what that fear is all
[51:55] about, but it's like
[51:57] it is so scary.
[52:00] I just want to tell people I I feel it
[52:02] too, so.
[52:04] >> Yeah.
[52:04] >> I know I deal with it.
[52:06] >> Oh, yeah.
[52:07] Yeah.
[52:18] >> I've also I
[52:20] I've been working with a group of people
[52:22] as well. And they all it's interesting
[52:25] to hear other people go through this and
[52:27] I know maybe that's forming another
[52:30] spiritual friend or another part of an
[52:32] identity, but at least I can see it now.
[52:35] I can see things a lot clearer.
[52:38] So.
[52:42] >> I think community
[52:44] is really important in having people to
[52:47] reflect back with.
[52:50] >> I I didn't realize how
[52:54] important it was until now. I I got
[52:56] through the I started through this whole
[52:58] process like over 17 years ago, 21 years
[53:02] ago in
[53:03] uh
[53:05] in AA.
[53:07] So, there's community there and I I'm
[53:09] stealing a lot of stealing some of the
[53:11] pointers that I learned there
[53:14] through this process, so
[53:17] I don't know what it is about
[53:19] community,
[53:20] but we're it's like we're talking to
[53:22] ourselves, too. So, maybe that's
[53:24] >> [laughter]
[53:25] >> Oops. We're all one. We're all the same.
[53:28] We come from the same source, so I don't
[53:30] know.
[53:33] >> Yeah.
[53:36] >> Mhm.
[53:42] Thank you.
[53:43] >> Yeah, thanks, Melody.
[53:45] Yeah, I think somebody else has written,
[53:47] "I can relate to you all as well.
[53:49] You are asking the questions I have, so
[53:51] thanks. Helps to remember this is not
[53:53] unique to me."
[56:19] >> Yes, uh if you're going to ask a
[56:20] question, Darshan Darshan, you're
[56:21] welcome to turn your video off. It is
[56:23] being Your video will be streamed to
[56:25] YouTube.
[56:27] Um if you don't want to be seen.
[56:31] >> Hey, Lisa.
[56:32] >> Hi.
[56:36] >> Yeah, I
[56:37] just spontaneously raised my hand
[56:39] because I didn't talk to you for quite a
[56:41] while.
[56:43] Uh yeah, it's nice to see you.
[56:47] >> Yeah, nice to see you, too, Darshan.
[56:49] >> And you look beautiful today.
[56:51] >> Oh, thank you.
[59:15] >> Hey.
[1:00:07] >> Thank you.
[1:00:08] >> Yeah, thanks, Doshin.
[1:00:23] Lynn says, "I'm also experiencing this.
[1:00:25] It's like being in between being and not
[1:00:27] here."
[1:00:29] Also relate. Lots of good suggestions,
[1:00:32] and I would also recommend lots of
[1:00:33] self-compassion.
[1:00:35] Yeah.
[1:01:12] I mean, we're kind of doing something
[1:01:14] really crazy here, although it's really
[1:01:16] beautiful.
[1:01:18] But the crazy part of it is
[1:01:21] that to get to self, to get to true
[1:01:23] self,
[1:01:24] we have to go through
[1:01:27] the not self.
[1:01:29] We have to go through the illusion.
[1:01:33] We have to go through that which spurs
[1:01:35] us into movement
[1:01:37] that we don't want to do.
[1:01:39] And we have to go through that which is
[1:01:41] telling us, you know, if you don't do
[1:01:42] this, then something bad's going to
[1:01:44] happen. If you don't do this, then
[1:01:46] you're going to be abandoned, or you're
[1:01:47] going to be
[1:01:48] alone, or you're going to die.
[1:01:51] Um if you do do this, this is going to
[1:01:53] happen.
[1:01:54] And the way that you go through it is by
[1:01:57] standing up to it. It's like exposure
[1:02:00] therapy. It's like allowing it to be
[1:02:02] there without reacting
[1:02:04] to watching it, to let the light of
[1:02:07] consciousness penetrate it.
[1:02:44] Yes, buddy Dharma, you can unmute
[1:02:46] yourself.
[1:02:52] >> Holy sound.
[1:02:54] >> Hello.
[1:02:56] >> Um I wanted to ask because um if I
[1:03:00] remember correctly, in the past when you
[1:03:03] were still seeking, you had to
[1:03:06] um choose at a certain point if you
[1:03:08] would like to go for non-duality or
[1:03:10] Buddhism.
[1:03:12] >> Yeah.
[1:03:12] >> correctly.
[1:03:14] >> Yeah.
[1:03:14] >> And you went for non-duality.
[1:03:17] And
[1:03:18] um even when you're now teaching
[1:03:21] non-duality in combination also with um
[1:03:26] practices like TRE or other stuff to
[1:03:31] release maybe trauma or suppressed
[1:03:33] emotions from the body, I wanted to ask
[1:03:37] what is your take actually if people are
[1:03:40] just doing um
[1:03:43] um what's the word?
[1:03:46] um self-inquiry without anything else.
[1:03:53] >> I think it depends on the person
[1:03:57] that comes to you. You know, if a
[1:03:58] person's doing self-inquiry and they're
[1:04:00] really
[1:04:03] um
[1:04:05] caught in a lot of suffering
[1:04:07] and
[1:04:10] like really unbalanced sense of self,
[1:04:12] then
[1:04:14] I think self-inquiry will almost be
[1:04:16] impossible.
[1:04:21] Whereas if somebody comes to it and
[1:04:25] their sense of self is fairly balanced
[1:04:27] and not into and not sort of like really
[1:04:30] unconscious and
[1:04:32] acting out lots of unconscious dynamics,
[1:04:34] then
[1:04:36] that's mostly a perfect time
[1:04:40] for self-inquiry to come into
[1:04:43] play.
[1:04:47] And then there'll be people that come to
[1:04:49] it in the middle where sometimes there's
[1:04:51] a balance and then sometimes not, which
[1:04:53] is often the case.
[1:04:55] So then I recommend
[1:04:56] when there's lots of suffering to do
[1:04:58] body work and then when there's less to
[1:05:00] do self-inquiry or
[1:05:02] resting as that.
[1:05:04] But also with the disclaimer, you know,
[1:05:06] maybe don't say that enough at the
[1:05:07] moment that knowing that
[1:05:10] the come
[1:05:12] that the one that believes that it's
[1:05:13] doing
[1:05:14] is also a functioning as well.
[1:05:17] So self-true self-inquiry is not an
[1:05:21] It's not somebody doing it.
[1:05:24] It's not a practice.
[1:05:28] But it can feel like that and that's
[1:05:30] part of it.
[1:05:38] >> So, what would be the difference between
[1:05:40] somebody who practices self inquiry as a
[1:05:43] practice and
[1:05:44] the
[1:05:46] self inquiry which you mentioned which
[1:05:47] is not a practice?
[1:05:51] >> Um
[1:05:52] it's something that just begins to
[1:05:54] happen
[1:05:56] effortlessly.
[1:05:59] But that that is um
[1:06:02] yeah, very
[1:06:03] like I said, just is happening effort-
[1:06:05] effortlessly.
[1:06:13] So, the attention is on the I am, but
[1:06:16] there's nobody
[1:06:17] or the attention is on beingness, but
[1:06:19] there's nobody doing it. It's just a
[1:06:21] happening.
[1:06:28] And people can go in and out of that as
[1:06:30] well. It's not like one or the other.
[1:09:28] >> Mhm.
[1:11:10] >> Yeah, thanks, Buddha Dharma.
[1:11:13] >> You listen.
[1:11:21] >> Okay, says, I did only self-enquiry for
[1:11:24] over a year at the beginning. At some
[1:11:25] point, anger came up repeatedly during
[1:11:28] self-enquiry, so I couldn't go on
[1:11:29] ignoring these emotions. That's when I
[1:11:31] just had to move on to body work.
[1:11:34] Recommended to release this channel.
[1:11:36] Yeah.
[1:11:39] I mean like like often what happens in
[1:11:42] India is that you've done pranayama
[1:11:45] breathing or
[1:11:46] back to practice. You've done yoga
[1:11:49] practice or um
[1:11:51] meditation beforehand, so there's like a
[1:11:56] laying the ground.
[1:12:04] Laying the groundwork first. I think
[1:12:06] that's the saying.
[1:12:10] But it's okay to do both simultaneously,
[1:12:13] but
[1:12:14] like um
[1:12:16] like what Otto says is most probably
[1:12:17] going to happen, so you do self-inquiry
[1:12:19] and maybe anger or burning fear or shame
[1:12:23] come up.
[1:12:30] I feel like life is that the perfect
[1:12:31] guide for it.
[1:12:34] Because like for Otto is that the anger
[1:12:36] came up and it had to be addressed and
[1:12:40] yeah, life will bring about
[1:12:41] circumstances which will force you into
[1:12:43] working on these things.
[1:15:32] >> Yes, so just so you know, it's um I
[1:15:34] don't know. It's a little hard for me to
[1:15:36] see everyone and everything that's
[1:15:37] happening. So, if you've got your
[1:15:39] hand up and I haven't responded to it,
[1:15:41] then just send a message in the chat. I
[1:15:42] just can't
[1:15:45] I don't know exactly sure how Zoom
[1:15:47] works on streaming.
[1:15:52] >> [snorts]
[1:17:25] >> I don't know. So, maybe there is no more
[1:17:27] questions today.
[1:17:29] Maybe we end the talk now.
[1:17:33] Yes, if you're in Zoom, you can stay on
[1:17:35] Zoom, and I will go around and
[1:17:39] acknowledge everybody in the meeting.
[1:17:40] But, if you're on YouTube,
[1:17:42] I am going to leave now, and some
[1:17:45] announcements.
[1:17:47] There will be no broadcast next Sunday.
[1:17:51] Maybe I do one
[1:17:53] during the week, so make sure that
[1:17:55] you're subscribed to my Telegram
[1:17:56] channel.
[1:17:58] You can do that through my website, and
[1:18:00] then you get all the updates
[1:18:02] and the links, and you can join the Zoom
[1:18:03] meeting.
[1:18:04] And it's for free, you don't have to
[1:18:06] pay, but we do ask for verification of
[1:18:09] your ID, which means you have to send a
[1:18:10] donation
[1:18:12] um if you've never paid for something
[1:18:14] through my um
[1:18:18] through my system before.
[1:18:21] Yeah, but we don't mind refunding you
[1:18:23] that. It's not It's actually we want it
[1:18:25] to be free, but it's just that we can't
[1:18:27] think of another way to verify people's
[1:18:29] identity.
[1:18:31] Yeah.
[1:18:40] Nice.
[1:18:42] >> I noticed
[1:18:42] >> I think
[1:18:43] >> Natasha had a question in the chat.
[1:18:46] >> Sorry?
[1:18:47] >> Natasha has a written question in the
[1:18:50] chat.
[1:18:51] >> Oh, okay. Oh, thanks. I didn't I didn't
[1:18:53] see it.
[1:18:55] Um I just want to I'm on a roll with the
[1:18:57] um
[1:18:59] with the uh
[1:19:01] um advertisements, so
[1:19:04] There was just one more thing I wanted
[1:19:06] to say. Oh, yeah, I think that um
[1:19:08] I do a class on Saturdays, a School of
[1:19:11] Deep Dive,
[1:19:12] and I think there is still a couple of
[1:19:14] places left, so
[1:19:16] you can find that on my website as well.
[1:19:20] Okay, so this is from Natasha. I'll just
[1:19:22] answer this last question. Dear Alyssa,
[1:19:26] is it possible for a person not to
[1:19:28] notice that they have awakened?
[1:19:31] Could it be that while listening to you,
[1:19:33] they simply realize that this is what
[1:19:35] they are actually living?
[1:19:37] Or to put it better, that everything
[1:19:39] simply is.
[1:19:40] A few months ago, you suddenly appeared
[1:19:42] in my daily life, and I love listening
[1:19:44] to you.
[1:19:46] It's as if
[1:19:48] I was speaking to myself, if only I had
[1:19:51] words for it. It's not that there hasn't
[1:19:54] been any development, a journey, so to
[1:19:56] speak, but not
[1:19:58] as if I chose it. It's all unfolding on
[1:20:01] its own. So, I just wanted to express my
[1:20:03] gratitude that you exist.
[1:20:05] Oh, thanks.
[1:20:07] Natasha.
[1:20:11] I think, um,
[1:20:12] like if you if you don't notice the
[1:20:15] shift, then it means that there was very
[1:20:17] little selfing happening beforehand.
[1:20:19] If there is lots of selfing happening,
[1:20:22] then you'll notice the shift, if you see
[1:20:24] what I mean.
[1:20:27] Yeah.
[1:20:30] But yeah, for some people, it can just
[1:20:32] be a slow disappearing. And I also feel
[1:20:34] like some people can be born with very
[1:20:36] little self,
[1:20:38] as well.
[1:20:43] Yeah, nice. That's a nice question to
[1:20:45] end on.
[1:20:46] Okay. So, to everybody in YouTube, you
[1:20:48] can hang around in Zoom, and we will,
[1:20:50] um,
[1:20:52] yeah, acknowledge each other. I don't
[1:20:53] know how to say that. I'll say goodbye.
[1:20:55] But to those in YouTube, I really wish
[1:20:57] you really wish you everything, not one,
[1:20:59] not two, or three things, but every god
[1:21:01] blessed thing.
[1:21:03] Yeah. [sighs]