Transcript
[0:00] We decided to come live with some
[0:03] insights that we have
[0:06] been collecting over the course of the
[0:09] last three weeks in travel together. I'm
[0:12] home for three nights. One more night to
[0:15] go and then I leave again with my son
[0:18] for another retreat.
[0:21] James and I are committed to
[0:25] serving
[0:27] couples
[0:28] and folks who are interested in becoming
[0:33] a couple, finding a partner. We've been
[0:35] serving families
[0:37] and all of this kind of very naturally
[0:40] happening. We've decided that it would
[0:43] be interesting for us to start to on
[0:45] purpose create space where we could
[0:48] share what we're learning as a couple
[0:52] and um creating a a conversation around
[0:56] what's working and what isn't.
[0:59] [laughter]
[0:59] >> This is going to be called room for
[1:01] improvement for that reason. there's
[1:03] always room for improvement and there's
[1:05] always something to celebrate
[1:08] in your greatest efforts. So to that
[1:12] end, um I think one of the things that
[1:16] we have been doing really well lately,
[1:19] we haven't fought
[1:21] >> not much, very little
[1:22] >> really. And we've been giving each other
[1:25] feedback in ways that are really um
[1:28] gentle and constructive and productive.
[1:32] and also caring.
[1:36] And the way that we do that is with
[1:38] non-violent communication.
[1:41] And if you haven't learned about it,
[1:44] it's really clunky at first, really
[1:46] awkward, and seems really unnatural.
[1:50] And slowly over time with practice and
[1:52] commitment it becomes easier and easier
[1:55] to execute both within yourself when
[1:58] you're offering yourself empathy
[2:01] and with whomever else uh the person
[2:04] with whom you're communicating
[2:07] the most important part I think to start
[2:09] if if we can start off this way is with
[2:12] self-mpathy.
[2:13] >> Sure. Um there is a whole conversation
[2:17] that we have in our in ourselves. It's
[2:20] mostly trash talking
[2:23] sadly.
[2:24] And when we don't offer ourselves
[2:26] empathy, that trash talk ends up being
[2:28] how we speak to anybody else in our
[2:30] space. particularly those closest,
[2:33] particularly those uh who have been
[2:38] historically frustrating in our lives,
[2:41] frustrating to us.
[2:44] Whatever the situation, it matters not.
[2:47] What does matter is that we have tools
[2:50] to give ourselves our own
[2:52] acknowledgement and recognition and move
[2:55] through the world feeling seen within
[2:58] ourselves so that we don't go around
[3:01] trying to get seen by other people.
[3:04] Making sense so far?
[3:05] >> So far so good. Loving it.
[3:07] >> Okay. Um I'm also pouring tea right here
[3:10] for us. So I'll do that in a moment. But
[3:12] I want to set this up really well so
[3:14] that James can talk.
[3:16] Self-mpathy looks like four steps just
[3:19] like communication does in non-violent
[3:22] communication. And if you bear with me,
[3:23] I will be sure to include the feelings
[3:25] and needs list in this post when it gets
[3:28] posted. The first step is an
[3:30] observation. So an observation is a
[3:34] snapshot. It's not an opinion. It's not
[3:37] an analysis. It's just a snapshot. When
[3:40] I saw that, when I did that, when you
[3:46] said those words, there's no plus or
[3:49] minus, no positive or negative. It's
[3:51] just what happened. Snapshot,
[3:53] observation, first step. The second step
[3:55] is the feelings that you're having as a
[3:57] result of that observation.
[3:59] So the big learning for adult humans,
[4:02] for all humans really, I wish I would
[4:03] have learned this as a kid, is that we
[4:05] don't, nobody causes me to feel a
[4:08] certain way. Even if I love them, even
[4:11] if I'm so disappointed, even if I'm so
[4:14] sad, somebody's dying, nobody causes me
[4:17] to feel a certain way. There is a
[4:19] situation out there. I'm observing the
[4:21] situation. I have my feelings.
[4:27] They're mine.
[4:28] And the the moment we start to really
[4:32] see that and get that that nobody causes
[4:35] us anything,
[4:37] we feel agency and we start to take
[4:41] ownership of our life and our behavior,
[4:44] our own hearts, our own understanding.
[4:48] The third step is the needs that aren't
[4:51] being met or are. We can use this also
[4:53] for thankfulness. And it's really nice
[4:55] to always review the positive way of
[4:57] using this mode of communication too.
[5:01] And the fourth step is giving ourselves
[5:03] empathy. How human of me to feel this
[5:05] way right now. Wow. Wow. So, let's do an
[5:08] example.
[5:09] >> How about when the kid lost his wallet
[5:10] at the airport?
[5:11] >> Oh my goodness. Two days ago. Two days
[5:14] ago. This is totally amazing.
[5:17] We go up. I'm all checked in. I've
[5:20] checked in all the bags. My our my kid
[5:22] is with us and he's rolling up to the
[5:25] counter. He's about to hand in his
[5:26] license and he's like, "Oh my god, my
[5:28] wallet. My wallet. My wallet. I don't
[5:30] know where it is." We run to the car
[5:33] like sprinting. We then check his
[5:36] tracker. There's an Air Tag on this
[5:38] wallet. The tracker isn't showing. It's
[5:40] a new phone. We are just basically
[5:43] tripping. I pay $45 to have the
[5:46] government confirm that his ID so that
[5:48] we can go through security. The tracker
[5:51] then somehow miraculously on the new
[5:54] phone becomes available to him. He sees
[5:56] that the phone that the wallet is at the
[5:59] Airbnb where we were staying. It's
[6:01] exactly half hour away. We have exactly
[6:03] 1 hour and 20 minutes to get to the
[6:05] flight
[6:05] >> cuz we're early and well prepared.
[6:07] >> Thank God.
[6:08] >> So we drive this whole time in the car.
[6:12] I'm giving myself empathy. Wow. Wow. And
[6:15] all this is happening silently, but this
[6:17] is a great example. Thank you.
[6:18] >> Sure.
[6:20] When I realized that Jonah had left his
[6:22] wallet at the Airbnb,
[6:25] I felt frustrated, exasperated,
[6:29] scared, and annoyed. Uh my needs for
[6:34] order and clarity were not being met.
[6:36] How human of me. How human of me. And as
[6:40] I'm driving and I'm speeding just a
[6:42] little and I'm trying to be safe and
[6:44] he's sitting next to me and he's
[6:46] actually being extremely Jame, not James
[6:48] is sitting next to me, Jonah sitting
[6:50] next to me being very positive. I'm
[6:52] sitting there giving myself empathy over
[6:53] and over. Different feelings, different
[6:55] needs that aren't being met. Just saying
[6:57] it inside of myself, not allowed.
[7:00] And it's working. It's slowly quieting
[7:03] me down. We get to the house. He
[7:05] realizes that the wallet was thrown out
[7:09] in a bag when we arrived. We figured it
[7:13] out. We got the wall back, got back to
[7:15] the airport. But the whole time of
[7:17] giving myself empathy means that I am in
[7:20] contact with myself. I am not reaching
[7:23] out, throwing tentacles,
[7:25] throwing out energy to try and get
[7:27] something back from somebody else. I'm
[7:29] giving it to myself. And I think this is
[7:33] the core of what is going right with you
[7:36] and me right now. We've been together 13
[7:38] years. It has not always been easy or
[7:41] simple. A lot of complexity is present
[7:43] even now. And we take care of ourselves
[7:48] so that we can take care of each other.
[7:50] >> All that's clear so far.
[7:53] >> Awesome.
[7:54] I Ally, I love you.
[7:58] >> [laughter]
[7:58] >> I think what's also important in that
[7:59] though, just to take one quick break, is
[8:01] that you didn't blame him. You didn't
[8:03] shame him. You didn't yell at him.
[8:05] Definitely not. Like the consequences of
[8:07] his actions will be realized by all of
[8:10] us. And people screw things up. The
[8:12] sooner you can let it pass, let it pass.
[8:14] You let it pass for yourself and you
[8:16] also let it pass for him. You didn't
[8:18] dive in. And you know when I saw him I
[8:22] was texting him
[8:24] kind of jokingly you know like hey yeah
[8:27] [laughter]
[8:28] >> making fun of him for forgetting things.
[8:30] >> I didn't even make fun of him. I was
[8:32] just like ah this happens you know if we
[8:34] miss the flight we'll catch the next
[8:35] one. Don't worry about it.
[8:36] >> Totally. And in this whole time
[8:41] thank you for saying that James because
[8:42] in the whole time I never once shamed
[8:44] him. All I said was I gave him
[8:46] non-violent communication too on the way
[8:48] back cuz now I knew that we were
[8:50] probably going to be fine. I said,
[8:53] "Dude, when I realized that you left
[8:54] your wallet at the Airbnb, I felt
[8:57] frustrated and exasperated. My needs for
[8:59] order and uh clarity were not met." And
[9:03] my request, and this is how we
[9:05] communicate with somebody else instead
[9:08] of after we've given ourselves empathy
[9:09] for the matter, say it a few times. My
[9:12] request, Jonah, is that you, every time
[9:16] you go or come, every time you're moving
[9:19] about in the world, even when I'm here
[9:21] and I'll take ownership of the fact that
[9:23] I do all the logistics and I love taking
[9:25] care of you and perhaps I have
[9:27] disempowered you by doing so.
[9:30] >> Every time you move about,
[9:33] you check for your wallet
[9:36] >> and
[9:39] it was smooth. There was no drama. And
[9:42] we caught the flight.
[9:42] >> And we caught the damn flight. We had
[9:44] like 10 minutes to get on.
[9:45] >> We had a good laugh about it, too.
[9:47] >> Lots. Still going.
[9:48] >> Still, still going.
[9:50] >> Still going. Um, of course, there's so
[9:54] much other context and really just
[9:56] hilarious a life that is being lived
[9:59] quietly and simply. Um, but this this is
[10:02] something that works and I feel called,
[10:05] James and I both feel called to share
[10:07] >> to recap and then we'll get into some
[10:10] stuff with us. If you wish to recap
[10:12] observations,
[10:14] the feelings and again I'll post the
[10:16] feelings and needs list uh when I post
[10:18] this on Substack.
[10:20] >> Observations, the feelings that I'm
[10:22] having, the needs that aren't or are
[10:25] being met, the empathy for myself,
[10:28] like really seeing myself. And I like to
[10:30] say when I offer this in groups, I like
[10:33] to say I empathy until I feel full up to
[10:35] here of my own seeing, of my own care,
[10:38] my own empathy
[10:40] >> all the way up to here.
[10:43] >> When I'm in communication with somebody
[10:44] else, it's the requests that I'm making.
[10:49] I I maybe it's worth mentioning how to
[10:51] say thank you with NBC. I love doing
[10:54] that.
[10:54] >> Sure. But I think I think the point is
[10:57] that an NVC
[10:59] self, you know, looking at yourself that
[11:02] way is um it's the same. It's it really
[11:05] puts it's the opposite of negative
[11:07] speech to yourself, you know, like
[11:10] rather than beating yourself up and
[11:11] whatever that negative voice is. [gasps]
[11:14] And NVC, empathy is the complete
[11:17] opposite. It's like how human me. Gosh,
[11:20] you know, we were out at a wedding.
[11:23] Jonah was DJing at the wedding. Had a
[11:26] lot going on. We're still laughing about
[11:28] the wedding the next day. You forget
[11:30] your wallet. It happens. How human of
[11:33] you. You're 20. It's okay.
[11:36] >> Thanks, babe.
[11:38] >> It's called forest floor.
[11:42] [snorts]
[11:42] >> Yeah.
[11:42] >> Your favorite kind.
[11:43] >> Tastes like dank branches.
[11:45] >> Yes. Um there were some other things
[11:48] that we wanted to talk about. the
[11:50] struggle against negativity that you've
[11:52] had your whole life. And
[11:53] >> you talked about an NBC apology
[11:55] possibly. Do you want to do that?
[11:57] >> No, I was thinking about a thank you
[11:59] actually.
[11:59] >> Yeah. Okay. But you did mention that.
[12:02] >> Yeah. Maybe next time.
[12:03] >> Okay.
[12:05] >> I think worth it to mention that this is
[12:07] hard for for folks who grew up in houses
[12:11] where there was a lot of negativity and
[12:14] a lot of shaming happening, a lot of
[12:16] blaming happening. So it's it's more
[12:20] challenging to make this mode of
[12:22] communication within oneself and with
[12:25] one another natural. So I just want to
[12:29] say that and say that your um James when
[12:34] I see how you historically were
[12:36] communicating up until a couple of years
[12:38] ago, it's really hard for you to feel
[12:41] safe in conflict because of your
[12:44] childhood. And I and I fully understand
[12:46] that. And that has has been historically
[12:51] uh a source of discord. And when I
[12:55] learned NBC with Judith Hansen Lacader,
[12:58] thankfully by some miracle she offered
[13:01] this to me over time.
[13:03] When I learned it, I was able to
[13:05] continue to give him and myself empathy
[13:09] so that he would continue to feel safer
[13:13] and safer even when we were having a
[13:16] conflict.
[13:18] I also grew up with a temper and you
[13:22] know a family that was not um not
[13:26] [snorts] averse to yelling and shouting
[13:28] and slamming doors. And so I too had to
[13:31] give myself so much empathy for all of
[13:34] that behavior and learn how to unravel
[13:38] that habit energy so that I could
[13:42] provide safety for this human when we
[13:45] were not agreeing on something. And that
[13:48] still that still goes on. I'm still
[13:50] struggling with that. you're still
[13:52] working with, you know,
[13:55] speaking in negative terms rather than
[13:57] positive terms or speaking in
[13:59] comparative terms rather than positive
[14:02] terms. And it's all a process. And I
[14:05] think the the fun part of all of this
[14:07] and just coming at you completely, oh
[14:10] natural,
[14:13] um is the validity of this process and
[14:17] how weird, awkward, clunky, and also
[14:22] valid it is
[14:24] to work with one another, to work with
[14:27] oneself
[14:28] using this process of non-violent
[14:31] communication, to make an observation,
[14:33] to remind ourselves that nobody Nobody
[14:34] is causing any feeling. This is just the
[14:36] feeling we're having when we see this
[14:38] thing
[14:40] to note the needs that are or aren't
[14:42] being met
[14:44] and to give ourselves real empathy.
[14:47] >> Agreed. Yeah. I grew up in a house where
[14:50] there was a lot of negativity and there
[14:52] was a lot of bonding around othering
[14:56] different people. So
[14:59] trash talking was just sort of part of
[15:01] the, you know, did you see their
[15:04] clothes? Did you just, you know, what
[15:06] it's like? But that negative speech um
[15:10] really impacted my whole way of
[15:12] thinking. And I work very hard now. It's
[15:15] amazing what a [snorts] persistent bad
[15:17] habit it is to connect over negativity
[15:21] usually about other people. And I really
[15:23] just try and keep it positive now. like
[15:25] if there's something that I really want
[15:27] to say
[15:28] >> um there's always a way to say it
[15:30] positively and um it just brings me down
[15:33] you know like just talking poorly of
[15:36] other people what a horrible habit and I
[15:38] think it also leads to negative selft
[15:43] talk so keeping it positive externally
[15:47] keeps my conversation positive
[15:49] internally
[15:51] >> I think that's a big shift and uh that's
[15:54] thanks to you lane be
[15:56] >> word.
[15:58] Let's do a positive. Let's do it an NBC
[16:00] thank you. It's very fun to do and this
[16:02] way you our viewer will get to see both.
[16:07] So James
[16:09] >> just handed me a check for a pair of
[16:11] sneakers
[16:14] so that he would be the giftgiver of
[16:16] these very fun and wonderful sneakers
[16:18] that I wanted rather than me buying them
[16:20] for myself. So he gave me a check for
[16:22] the whole amount. When you said when you
[16:24] just handed me that check just now as a
[16:26] gift for my birthday, I felt
[16:31] seen and loved and cared for and
[16:37] so sweet.
[16:39] >> All of my needs for um just simple
[16:43] partnership and well wishes and love and
[16:48] sweetness were met.
[16:51] >> Thank you. Oh, you're welcome. Just for
[16:54] a little context, it was an expensive
[16:55] pair of sneakers and I went into the
[16:58] store kind of dragging her in saying,
[16:59] >> "I would have never gotten them. They're
[17:01] awesome."
[17:02] >> I really want to get you these. Um, and
[17:04] then my card bounced due to suspicious
[17:07] activity.
[17:08] [laughter]
[17:10] I was like, "Oh god,
[17:11] >> I forgot that detail."
[17:12] >> Yeah. So, she wound up paying for them
[17:14] and I was like, "I'll pay you back." So,
[17:15] another thing is I'm being good to my
[17:17] word. I think she forgot about it, but
[17:19] it's like, "Hey, I said I'd buy you
[17:21] these. Let's uh let's follow through on
[17:23] that." And then each time I see her
[17:25] [snorts] walking around in her spanking
[17:27] new kicks, I can think, "Oh, I put that
[17:30] on her."
[17:32] >> That's so sweet.
[17:34] >> It's a It's a simple thing, but I I
[17:37] think Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt
[17:39] you. You finish your sentence.
[17:40] >> I was done. I I think that the way to
[17:43] say thank you to somebody and really be
[17:45] specific about the feeling you're having
[17:47] and the needs that have been met, as
[17:50] Judith taught me so beautifully, h it's
[17:53] just such a deep connection and it's
[17:55] also an energy inside of ourselves that
[17:58] we're generating
[18:00] >> as we give somebody that gift of a thank
[18:03] you in this way with all of these steps.
[18:06] >> You know what I think might be useful?
[18:08] Let's talk about taking feedback cuz I
[18:10] think that's a real place where people
[18:12] get tripped up. I see it all the time
[18:15] where a couple will say something or
[18:19] really in any relationship, someone will
[18:20] say something to someone and it will be
[18:23] taken personally. And in this container,
[18:28] it's probably a little different than
[18:30] other relationships, but I really trust
[18:33] that uh Elena has my best interest at
[18:36] heart. I trust that she sees things that
[18:39] I probably don't about myself.
[18:42] I trust that she doesn't have a need to
[18:46] make me wrong so that she feels better
[18:48] about herself. I trust that her view is
[18:53] honest and objective and that she wants
[18:57] what's best for me. So if Elena says
[19:00] something,
[19:01] I can be damn sure
[19:05] that it is a valid mirror and that the
[19:10] mirror isn't distorted and lying to me
[19:13] for personal gain or personal needs. So
[19:16] within this relationship,
[19:18] um I know that if she sees something,
[19:21] it's in my best interest to look at it.
[19:23] I want to improve all the time. Um, and
[19:28] if my fly is open or, you know,
[19:30] metaphorically,
[19:31] >> which it often is,
[19:32] >> my back pockets hanging out, these are
[19:34] things I might not see. And so, it's
[19:36] really helpful to thank you to um have
[19:41] her feedback. And when I get it, I don't
[19:44] go, "Oh, that's you." Or, "Oh, you know,
[19:48] why are you always talking?" I don't
[19:51] It's not necessary. It's just, "Thank
[19:54] you. Thank you for that feedback. I will
[19:57] try my best to incorporate it. And you
[19:59] know, if you see me struggling with it
[20:01] again, let me know. You think all that's
[20:04] accurate?
[20:05] >> It's so accurate. And in fact, I can own
[20:07] that I have a harder time doing that.
[20:10] >> I I have really a hard time taking
[20:12] feedback. It is the the the the leading
[20:15] growth edge in my life. But dude, your
[20:17] edges are so well polished that there's
[20:20] very little to I mean, what even
[20:22] feedback
[20:23] is there? Very little. Very, very
[20:26] little.
[20:27] >> In any case, it's a joy to be in a place
[20:32] where we can talk about this with you.
[20:35] hopefully to serve you in some way to be
[20:38] of benefit in your partnerships inside
[20:40] of yourself.
[20:42] Even thanking yourself for something
[20:44] wonderful that you've done in this way,
[20:47] the observation, the feelings that
[20:49] you're having, the needs that you've
[20:51] just met for yourself. And thank you for
[20:55] those for those experiences. Wow. It's
[20:58] such a nice way to live inside of a
[21:00] body. We're here for so few years
[21:04] and to just be in contact with ourselves
[21:06] in this way and to be able to then take
[21:08] it to our friendships,
[21:10] to the people we're serving,
[21:13] it's so sweet to our kids.
[21:17] So, so sweet.
[21:19] >> And um let's see. Oh, that's fun. Taran
[21:24] suggesting we do the couples any
[21:27] we're a two. I don't know what I am.
[21:30] >> He's a two and I'm a three at at last
[21:33] look. That was a few years back with
[21:35] some really deep humans that love us. So
[21:39] [laughter]
[21:40] that's what we got. Um I think that was
[21:43] all we wanted to share today. I feel
[21:45] like we got I feel like I we served up
[21:49] what we were intending to serve up and
[21:53] >> there will be more from us. There's
[21:55] something about this um idea of room for
[21:58] improvement that feels true. I'm trying
[22:02] to figure out what it is that I want to
[22:05] keep doing in my life and what it is
[22:07] that I want to do as I grow older. There
[22:09] are trainings I want to take. I think I
[22:11] want to be an acupuncturist. I've always
[22:13] dreamt about TCM school. But I also
[22:16] think that you and I offering insights
[22:21] into ways of relating, I think we do a
[22:24] really good job. We've helped a lot of
[22:26] folks quietly off offline
[22:30] >> and I think this might be a way forward.
[22:32] I certainly feel a lot of love and uh
[22:36] satisfaction right now and contentment
[22:38] and maybe this is something we'll keep
[22:40] doing and maybe it's called room for
[22:41] improvement.
[22:42] >> That's nice. I think we got to really
[22:44] figure out where we need to improve, but
[22:47] that's a good problem.
[22:49] >> Totally. Totally. Totally good. And is
[22:52] there anything else that you wanted to
[22:53] add today? Um,
[22:55] >> just that we've been on the road for a
[22:57] long time. I kind of followed Elena
[23:00] around. I have to admit, she has such an
[23:03] interesting, you know, weddings and and
[23:06] uh retreats and classes and I always
[23:09] enjoy going sort of just for the
[23:11] studentship of it. Um, and also just to
[23:13] keep on the same page with my partner.
[23:16] And during that time, I mean, I still I
[23:20] run a business. I run a design agency.
[23:22] And I still did what I needed to do
[23:25] while we were away.
[23:27] >> Right. That's a good point.
[23:28] >> Yeah. I didn't just sort of like
[23:29] collapse into your life. I was maybe
[23:33] >> supporting actor, but I still had my own
[23:35] role. Um, and I think that's important
[23:38] to maintain polarity in a relationship
[23:42] where I'm not, you know, I'm not just
[23:44] following you around. I have a full
[23:46] life. You have a full life. Our two full
[23:49] lives meet in the middle and we have a
[23:51] third life there. And uh, what a blast.
[23:56] Yeah. I just had such a great time with
[23:58] you. um particularly went to a very
[24:03] humble wedding that God just two just
[24:06] love between two people that's all you
[24:08] need one of my favorite weddings ever
[24:11] and it was
[24:12] >> I think it was my favorite wedding
[24:13] >> too was so salt to the earth you know
[24:15] the friends brought flowers people they
[24:17] knew cooked wasn't about the size of the
[24:20] wedding
[24:20] >> everybody bought plates
[24:22] >> right it was it was such an eclectic I
[24:25] felt like it was 1850 and you know
[24:28] you're at your local parish people are
[24:30] getting married and just pure community.
[24:33] Loved that.
[24:34] >> Yeah.
[24:35] >> And
[24:35] >> that was special. Really special.
[24:37] >> I certainly wouldn't have been involved
[24:39] with that had you not been the efficient
[24:44] >> efficient efficient [clears throat]
[24:45] >> efficient efficient. There was one
[24:47] aspect that I think you just glossed
[24:50] over that's really important to add.
[24:54] On the way there, maybe in the week
[24:56] leading up to going on this trip, James
[24:59] was really freaked out about being away
[25:01] for so long, convinced that he can only
[25:04] work at home. His work is primarily
[25:07] virtual. The person who has been his
[25:10] right hand for many years lives on the
[25:13] East Coast. They're always working
[25:15] online on over Zoom. So there's really
[25:18] no actual reason for him to need to be
[25:21] here other than I just, you know, it
[25:23] would be nice to be home all the time,
[25:25] of course, and that that's true for most
[25:27] folks. He was really having a hard time
[25:30] with it. And I said, "Look, here's what
[25:32] we're going to do. There are millions of
[25:35] humans who are working virtually, who
[25:37] are traveling all the time and working
[25:39] online. Why don't we do this trip as an
[25:43] experiment? I'm going to do my best to
[25:46] support you having full many hours
[25:49] during the day where there is no
[25:50] disturbance for you. You have your own
[25:52] space, your own work space, your own
[25:55] quiet. I'll make sure that that happens
[25:57] and I'll protect your quiet. Let's see
[26:00] how it goes. And this was the first time
[26:03] actually that you were able to do a
[26:06] significant amount of work, move things
[26:09] around while we were on the road.
[26:12] >> For sure. And I made a real effort to uh
[26:15] create that space for you. And wherever
[26:18] we landed, I made sure there was a room
[26:20] that was quiet with a door and a Wi-Fi
[26:22] connection.
[26:24] Simple things. simple things, but to uh
[26:29] here's my point to acknowledge what my
[26:33] partner needs to,
[26:37] you know, it wasn't that comfortable in
[26:38] certain places to create the space that
[26:41] he requires in order to do work. He's
[26:43] dyslexic. He needs it really, really
[26:45] quiet.
[26:48] Was really satisfying to me. Like
[26:50] selfishly, I had such a nice time
[26:53] knowing that I was going and doing
[26:55] whatever I was doing, taking class,
[26:57] going to food shop with Jonah, whatever
[26:58] I was doing during the days before I was
[27:00] teaching. And James was working
[27:04] >> and doing what he needed to do. And
[27:07] there was something really wonderful
[27:08] about that. And I think my invitation to
[27:10] you watching here is don't don't
[27:15] deny yourself the opportunity
[27:19] to provide someone you love with
[27:21] something that might not be easy or
[27:24] comfortable
[27:25] or exceptionally lovely for you in the
[27:29] moment. Do it anyway. Because the
[27:32] satisfaction of creating space for
[27:34] somebody or something delightful for
[27:37] someone you love
[27:40] has no limit.
[27:42] And I I still feel it. I still feel
[27:45] really good about how that went. And now
[27:47] I feel really good about you coming with
[27:50] me on other
[27:52] >> trips next year.
[27:53] >> That was really nice. I felt seen and
[27:56] understood. And it the the sound thing
[27:59] is really hard for me. you were um
[28:02] >> like a really really gracious and uh
[28:05] yeah
[28:05] >> like a little mouse really quiet.
[28:07] >> I appreciated all of that. Thank you.
[28:09] >> You're welcome. Welcome.
[28:12] So I think the last note for those who
[28:14] may have come late we went over the
[28:16] whole uh four-step process of NBC. We
[28:19] started with giving ourselves empathy
[28:22] and then going into what it means to
[28:24] communicate with NBC both if we need
[28:27] something that's hard to ask for and if
[28:29] we get something that we're really
[28:30] grateful for. And I would encourage you
[28:33] to watch this whole video cuz it's it's
[28:36] pretty good. I think we did a really
[28:38] good job of this. But here's the point.
[28:41] The whole point is each of us has our
[28:44] own feelings and we consistently accuse
[28:47] other people of causing feelings within
[28:50] us. And it's simply not the case. I see
[28:54] something happening, I have a feeling of
[28:56] my own. You see something happening,
[28:58] you're going to have a different feeling
[29:00] about it. You're not necessarily going
[29:02] to feel the same way. We have to
[29:03] continue to remind ourselves as human
[29:05] beings on this earth in this time with
[29:08] this political atmosphere in which we
[29:11] are swimming,
[29:13] this sadness, this grave disparity, all
[29:17] of the terrors of this current reality
[29:20] in which we are living right now. We
[29:23] have to remind ourselves to take
[29:25] ownership for the feelings that we are
[29:27] having, to not project them onto other
[29:29] people, and to really communicate in a
[29:32] way that is not violent in the smallest,
[29:35] simplest, tiniest moments of our days.
[29:38] Take care of each other. Take care of
[29:40] ourselves so that we can take care of
[29:42] each other. I think this is the most
[29:45] important and primary thing that we can
[29:47] do most consistently to take care of
[29:50] this earth right now. Mhm. And your joy
[29:53] is not a betrayal.
[29:54] >> And your joy is not a betrayal. There's
[29:57] a post called that.
[29:59] >> That's one of the best teachings I have
[30:01] ever received.
[30:02] >> Your joy is not a betrayal. Remember
[30:06] that.
[30:08] >> I want to tell the San Francisco, the
[30:10] Asheville people, North Carolina people
[30:12] that I'm going to be in Asheville
[30:13] tomorrow night, October 14th, at
[30:15] Maliprops talking about Hold Nothing, my
[30:18] book.
[30:19] I want to tell the people in San
[30:21] Francisco, if you live in San Francisco
[30:23] or in the Bay Area, I'll be at Sydney
[30:25] Goldstein Theater on November 14th with
[30:27] dear Diego Perez Young Pueblo
[30:32] launching his next book. It's called
[30:34] Journey and it's magical. And we could
[30:35] have just not even talked about anything
[30:37] we talked about and just talked about
[30:39] that. And he's saying the same thing
[30:41] essentially
[30:42] >> through his very deep long practice of
[30:46] meditation.
[30:48] I am honored to be here and I want to
[30:51] give you Substack subscriber, I want to
[30:54] give you an NVC thank you. Are you ready
[30:55] for it?
[30:58] >> Okay.
[31:02] When I come on to Substack, literally
[31:04] every time
[31:07] I feel elated,
[31:10] I feel thankful.
[31:13] I feel
[31:17] happy.
[31:20] easeful, peaceful,
[31:23] excited,
[31:25] inspired.
[31:27] My needs for
[31:30] care,
[31:31] contribution,
[31:33] inspiration,
[31:36] being seen, being understood.
[31:41] My need for knowledge,
[31:44] my need for intelligence.
[31:48] my need for creativity. All of those
[31:50] needs are met here on Substack.
[31:55] >> Thank you from my heart.
[31:57] >> Thank you.
[31:58] >> Thank you so much.
[31:59] >> And happy birthday, Angel.
[32:01] >> Thank you so much. Thank you for my
[32:03] sneakers.
[32:06] [sighs and gasps]
[32:06] >> And we'll see you again soon. There's
[32:09] always room for improvement.
[32:12] Thank you.