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Karma Yoga, Free Will, and the Self: An Advaita Satsang Q&A

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Swami Tadatmananda
Nov 1, 2026
11 min read

From ArshaBodha - Swami Tadatmananda

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The session begins the way many Arsha Bodha satsangs do, with a Sanskrit peace invocation and a few minutes of housekeeping. Swami Tadatmananda fumbles with the microphone, asks aloud what has happened to the sound, and then gets to work on a stack of questions sent in by students in Scotland, Mauritius, Vancouver, Brazil, and beyond. The first one is small and domestic: a woman cleaning her house, trying to feel grateful to Bhagavan for the home and the chance to clean it out of love, finds that the gratitude feels mechanical. From that modest moment the hour widens into the architecture of Advaita Vedanta, touching karma yoga, the rarity of human birth, the koshas that veil the self, the abuse of free will, jivan mukti and videha mukti, the nature of oneness, the role of Ishvara, and whether a "super-thought" stands over all our thinking. What ties the answers together is a point the Swami returns to again and again: right understanding is necessary but not sufficient, and it has to be carried by devotion and by sustained self-enquiry.

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Why does karma yoga feel forced when you are trying to be grateful?

The Swami's first answer is blunt. "From my perspective, the practice of Karma Yoga is much more difficult than the teachings of Advaita Vedanta. It's harder than you think." That sentence reframes the whole problem. Many students can recite the principle that action performed for Ishvara is a form of yoga, but reciting a principle does not make the action feel like anything. The Swami's diagnosis is that karma yoga is, at its root, bhakti, a devotional practice, and that many people simply do not have a developed prayer life to draw on.

By prayer he does not mean the recitation of words. He means an emotional connection, a prayerful mood in which one is genuinely related to Bhagavan. Without that relationship, the instruction to work while remembering that Ishvara is present becomes a mental checklist. The Swami spells out what the remembering is supposed to hold: Ishvara is present as the one who gives you the shakti to act, and present as the one who has placed you in the particular situation you live and experience. Those are ideas, and he is careful to distinguish them from what carries the practice.

"Bhakti is not an idea. Nor is Karma Yoga an idea. So, we can begin with these conceptual teachings about the practice of Karma Yoga, but in order for that practice to become very deep and fulfilling and useful, it really requires in parallel with that Karma, what's required is a parallel practice of Bhakti." (Swami Tadatmananda, satsang published 1 November 2026, around 2:15)

For a practitioner, the implication is practical. If cleaning feels like a chore that you have dressed up in gratitude, the fix is not to try harder to think grateful thoughts. The Swami points toward deepening one's sense of connectedness to Ishvara as a parallel discipline. He calls that a whole other topic and sets it aside for the evening, but the direction is clear: karma yoga is a relationship, and relationships are built through the kind of devotional practice that most busy people neglect.

Why is human birth considered so rare?

A student from Mauritius asked, in effect, which earlier lives a soul must pass through to earn enough merit for a human body. The Swami first set aside the broader doctrine of karma as a topic that is not very helpful for spiritual growth, then used the question to make a different point: being born human is a privilege that we take for granted.

His central argument is about free will. As far as we know, he says, only human beings have fully developed free will, and everything else in the cosmos unfolds mechanically according to the laws of nature. He makes the claim in a way that is hard to forget. Everything in the universe happens mechanically, "except you chose to come here for satsang. You choose to watch this satsang. That's not a mechanical act of nature."

"Our definition of karma is an act that's done intentionally. Without intention, without a free will, you can't commit good karma or bad karma." (Swami Tadatmananda, satsang published 1 November 2026, around 5:30)

That definition explains why animals fall outside the ledger of karma. The Swami offers a vivid example: a lion pounces on a lamb. Is that adharma? No. "The animal is doing what it's programmed to do. The animal has no free will. It's acting naturally. In fact, for the animal not to eat the lamb, for the lion not to eat the lamb, would be unnatural." Since animals cannot act with intention, they cannot accumulate punya for a better birth, nor papa that produces suffering later. The logic makes human birth more precious, not less. Karma is the consequence of choice, and choice is the thing that makes a human life a place where liberation is possible at all.

Why is the self so hard to find if we already are Brahman?

A questioner from Vancouver pressed a classic puzzle: if we are already Brahman, why do we make the search for ourselves so difficult, layered as we are with the koshas? The Swami's reply was crisp. "Well, we don't make it difficult. It is difficult."

The koshas, he explains, are the sheaths of identification that stand between us and our true nature as Satchidananda Atman. They represent everything you take yourself to be: your body, your mind, your personality, your family, your work, the roles you play. Each identification is a kind of covering. None of us chose to be identified with a body. "You didn't choose to do that. You didn't make it so. It is so." The identification is not a moral failing. It is the default condition of a being who has not yet recognized the self.

This is the subtle center of the question. The Swami says that ignorance of one's true nature is natural in the sense that it is the starting state of a human mind. Because it is natural, the habit of identifying with body and mind is "exceedingly difficult to come out of." He does not offer a shortcut. He offers a diagnosis that reframes effort: the work is not to remove a foreign obstacle, but to slowly loosen a habit that has never been examined. That is why self-enquiry, the disciplined looking at who is looking, becomes central to everything else he teaches.

Is violence the abuse of free will or the fruit of past karma?

A student in Brazil raised one of the most painful questions in the Vedantic tradition. If someone suffers violence, is it the result of another person's abuse of free will, or the result of the sufferer's own prarabdha karma, the portion of past action that has begun to bear fruit in this life? Could it be both?

The Swami first clarified the term "evil," because the question depended on it. From a Hindu standpoint, he says, what we generally call evil is the abuse of free will. Evil is not a power standing against God. It is not an entity. It is not an existent thing.

"Free will is an existent thing. That free will is so powerful, it can be abused. And the abuse of free will is what we call evil." (Swami Tadatmananda, satsang published 1 November 2026, around 11:24)

On the specific question of prarabdha, the Swami's answer was honest rather than tidy. "The simple answer is we have no idea. Every situation depends on the situation." He did not assign blame to the victim, and he did not reduce the event to a formula about past karma. The refusal to pretend to certainty is itself instructive. A teacher who claims to know exactly why a particular act of violence occurred is claiming more than the teaching allows. What the framework does give is a principle of responsibility: the person who abuses free will is responsible for that abuse, and the meaning of a suffering event is not something a bystander can settle from the outside.

What is the difference between jivan mukti and videha mukti?

Several questions in the hour moved into the territory of liberation. The distinction between jivan mukti and videha mukti is one of the classic technical points in Advaita. Jivan mukti is liberation while one is still living in a body. Videha mukti is liberation in a state the Swami glosses simply: "Videhi means without a body." The conversation then turned to whether King Janaka, the famous royal sage of the Upanishads, was a jivan mukta. The Swami answered with humor, noting that Janaka had a body, which drew laughter from the room. The joke is a reminder that these categories are pointers. The question of who is liberated matters less than whether the teaching is making a practical difference to the one who asks.

Is it wrong to say that consciousness is one?

Another student asked whether it is wrong to say that consciousness is one. The Swami's answer treated the statement with respect. The phrase ekam eva, one alone, is a central Vedantic claim, and he says the statement is not wrong. But he qualifies it, and the qualification matters: oneness is not a slogan to be repeated but a truth that has to be known from the inside. The same concern runs through his answer about Ishvara, which came in a later question. If everything is Brahman, why is there any need for Ishvara? The Swami's response returned to practice: Ishvara is not a rival concept to be filed away once one grasps non-duality, but a presence that the devotee engages through prayer and remembrance. The philosophical answer and the devotional answer are kept in relation rather than set against each other.

Is there a super-thought that watches all the others?

The final substantive question asked whether there is a super-thought that oversees all other thoughts. It is an intuitive question, and one many meditators arrive at. The Swami pointed the questioner toward a more direct inquiry: how do you know your thoughts? When you observe your thoughts, what is the one doing the observing? His answer moved the search away from a higher mental content and toward the one who is aware, which he identified as consciousness. A thought cannot be the witness of thoughts, because a witnessed thing cannot be its own observer. The move is subtle but decisive, and it is the link between this question and the closing theme of the session.

What does self-enquiry look like in daily life?

The session closed on the track the Swami believes all of this points toward: Atma Vichara, self-enquiry. The koshas, the rarity of birth, the abuse of free will, the distinction between liberation while living and liberation without a body, the claim of oneness, the role of Ishvara, the witness of thought, all converge on a single practice of investigating who is aware. Karma yoga supplies the action, bhakti supplies the heart, and self-enquiry supplies the direction. Taken together, the answers suggest that a student does not need to have every doctrine settled before beginning. They need a regular practice that keeps the questions alive while the habit of identification gradually loosens.

Where to go from here

  • Watch the earlier satsang recordings in the Arsha Bodha playlist on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeP4eulMEXiO3zMq_o4A7OWiki18f09r3) to hear how the Swami builds these themes across weeks.
  • If you have a question for a future session, the channel invites submissions by email to SwamiT@ArshaBodha.org. Include your name, your location, and the words "Satsang Question" in the subject line.
  • Pick one concrete practice this week: notice one routine task and ask who is doing it, or spend a few minutes in prayer before a chore to test the Swami's claim that karma yoga rests on bhakti.
  • Return to the Swami's warning that the path is "harder than you think." Expect the difficulty, and treat it as information about where your practice needs to deepen.

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[0:01] Okay.

[0:07] Om Saha Navavatu Saha Nau Bhunaktu Saha

[0:13] Viryam Karavavahai

[0:16] Tejasvi Naavadhitamastu

[0:20] [snorts] Ma Vidvishavahai

[0:24] Om Shanti

[0:26] Shanti Shanti

[0:33] Om.

[0:35] Very good. Welcome to you all. Welcome

[0:38] also to all of you attending our Satsang

[0:41] online. We have lots of great questions

[0:44] again, so let me get started

[0:48] immediately.

[0:51] What happened here?

[0:55] Uh

[0:58] Sorry. Where is up?

[1:01] >> [sighs]

[1:02] >> Here.

[1:03] Okay. There we go. First question

[1:06] is from Robbie, who lives in Scotland.

[1:10] Robbie asks a question regarding Karma

[1:13] Yoga.

[1:15] Uh

[1:17] She says, "I've been cleaning my house

[1:20] today and reminding myself that I'm

[1:22] grateful to Bhagavan that that he has

[1:25] blessed me with this house and that I've

[1:28] been given an opportunity to clean

[1:30] things out of love.

[1:32] For me, it feels slightly forced.

[1:37] That

[1:38] not surprising, yeah. It feels slightly

[1:40] forced in the sense that it's mechanical

[1:43] and not natural.

[1:45] So, let's examine this a little bit and

[1:49] it's evidence of something you may have

[1:51] heard me say before and that is

[1:56] from my perspective, the practice of

[1:58] Karma Yoga is much more difficult than

[2:02] the teachings of Advaita Vedanta.

[2:05] It's

[2:06] harder than you think.

[2:09] And and what Ravi is calling attention

[2:12] to is one of the many aspects that makes

[2:15] Karma Yoga challenging.

[2:18] And that is Karma Yoga is essentially

[2:21] the practice of bhakti.

[2:24] It's a devotional practice.

[2:27] And

[2:29] some people have a highly developed

[2:33] devotional practice, prayer, and

[2:36] devotional meditation, perhaps puja, but

[2:39] many many people don't have

[2:43] a highly developed practice of prayer.

[2:47] A sense of When I say prayer, I mean not

[2:50] just recitation of prayers, I mean an

[2:52] emotional connection in a prayerful mood

[2:56] to be emotionally connected to Bhagavan.

[3:00] And if it happens that you don't have a

[3:03] highly developed

[3:06] practice of prayer,

[3:09] Karma Yoga

[3:11] will feel as as Ravi says, it'll it'll

[3:14] feel forced and unnatural because you've

[3:17] heard me say that you have to

[3:20] that the practice of Karma Yoga

[3:24] means you

[3:27] are engaged in actions knowing that

[3:30] Bhagavan is present in every action,

[3:34] present in many ways. And this is kind

[3:36] of the the breadth of Karma Yoga.

[3:39] Ishvara is present as the one who gives

[3:43] you the shakti to act.

[3:47] Ishvara is presence as present as the

[3:50] one who has blessed you with the

[3:52] situation in which you have in which in

[3:55] which you are you live and experience.

[4:00] But come

[4:02] those are ideas.

[4:04] Bhakti is not an idea.

[4:07] Nor is Karma Yoga an idea. So, we can

[4:11] begin with with these conceptual

[4:13] teachings about the practice of Karma

[4:16] Yoga, but in order for that practice to

[4:19] become very deep and fulfilling and

[4:23] useful,

[4:24] it really requires in parallel with that

[4:28] Karma, what's required is a parallel

[4:32] practice of Bhakti.

[4:34] And in particular deepening your sense

[4:38] [snorts] of connectedness

[4:41] to Ishvara, which is a whole other

[4:43] topic, so we'll set that aside. But just

[4:46] the important

[4:47] message here

[4:49] is that the practice of Karma Yoga

[4:52] really depends on a de-

[4:56] on you developing

[4:58] a sense of connectedness

[5:01] with Bhagavan. All right. Next question

[5:04] from Anjali, who lives in Mauritius.

[5:09] Uh I have a question regarding human

[5:11] birth. In what other births could a jiva

[5:15] earn punya to get a human body?

[5:20] I

[5:20] First of all, I think questions about

[5:23] the doctrine of Karma in a very general

[5:25] sense are not so helpful to our

[5:27] spiritual growth, you know.

[5:29] >> [snorts]

[5:30] >> But I'd like to take Anjali's question

[5:32] to point out something, and that is

[5:36] having birth as a human being is a rare

[5:41] privilege.

[5:43] Just you know, we we take so much for

[5:45] granted.

[5:48] Just reflect for just a moment on how

[5:51] many blessings

[5:53] are present in your life. And how little

[5:57] you probably acknowledge

[6:01] those amazing blessings that we have. We

[6:03] take so much for granted, And that

[6:05] that's normal, but

[6:06] but one of the things that we we

[6:10] don't think about much is a fact that

[6:13] only as human beings do we really have a

[6:16] fully developed free will. It's doubtful

[6:20] that any other

[6:22] animal species that we know about has

[6:25] has I don't know has free will. If you

[6:27] ask me about what about alien beings?

[6:30] I've no idea. We don't even know if they

[6:32] exist. But one thing we know for sure is

[6:35] that we are endowed with free will,

[6:39] which is an exceptional There's nothing

[6:41] like it in the cosmos. Everything else

[6:44] that happens in the cosmos happens

[6:48] mechanically

[6:50] according to the laws of nature.

[6:53] Correct?

[6:55] Everything in the universe

[6:57] >> [snorts]

[6:58] >> happens mechanically according to the

[7:00] laws of nature,

[7:02] except

[7:04] you chose to come here for satsang. You

[7:06] choose to watch this satsang.

[7:09] That's not a mechanical act of nature.

[7:13] That's a rare and amazing feature

[7:18] of being a human being endowed

[7:22] with the power of free will. Now, to to

[7:26] briefly answer Angeli's question, um

[7:29] animals don't have free will, so animals

[7:31] can't in can't perform karma. Our

[7:35] definition of karma is an act that's

[7:38] done intentionally.

[7:39] Without intention, without a free will,

[7:42] you can't commit

[7:44] good karma or bad karma,

[7:47] which means when a lion is running

[7:49] through the forest and sees that nice

[7:52] that lamb and pun pun

[7:56] uh pounces on that defenseless little

[7:59] animal and rips it apart,

[8:02] is that animal performing an act of

[8:05] adharma?

[8:07] >> Some level, no.

[8:09] >> Not at some level, absolutely no.

[8:12] The animal is doing what it's programmed

[8:14] to do. The animal has no free will. It's

[8:18] acting naturally. In fact, for the

[8:20] animal not to eat the lamb, for the lion

[8:23] not to eat the lamb, would be unnatural.

[8:27] Huh.

[8:29] So,

[8:31] animals cannot

[8:33] cannot accumulate punya karma for the

[8:36] sake of a better birth, nor can animals

[8:39] acquire papa karma, which results in

[8:43] more problems in the next life. So,

[8:46] human birth is a rare birth. Okay. This

[8:51] question comes from Vidyasagar, who

[8:53] lives in Vancouver.

[8:56] Um in your you teach us that we are

[8:59] already what we seek. You are already

[9:02] Brahman. If we are already Brahman, why

[9:05] do we make it so hard to find ourselves

[9:09] with so many layers or koshas?

[9:12] Well,

[9:13] we don't make it difficult. It is

[9:16] difficult.

[9:17] And the fact is and we

[9:20] uh Vidyasagar makes reference to all

[9:21] these koshas, big technical topic.

[9:24] Basically,

[9:25] koshas represent everything you're

[9:27] identified with. You're identified with

[9:30] your body. You're identified with your

[9:32] mind, with your personality, with your

[9:34] family, with your work, with your roles

[9:37] in life. All of these various kinds of

[9:40] identification

[9:42] stand in the way

[9:45] of you recognizing your true nature

[9:48] as suchitananda atman.

[9:52] Did you create all of that?

[9:55] Vidyasagar says, you know, why do we

[9:57] make it so hard?

[9:59] Did you choose One day did you decide,

[10:01] oh, I'm going to be identified with my

[10:03] body?

[10:05] You didn't choose to do that. You didn't

[10:08] make it so. It is so. Why?

[10:13] We just got done talking about what is

[10:14] natural.

[10:17] And what is natural is to be born in a

[10:19] state of ignorance.

[10:21] Due to ignorance of your true nature as

[10:24] Satchidananda Atma, it's natural to be

[10:27] identified with your body, mind, and

[10:29] everything else. So, it's not that

[10:33] anyone or anything makes it difficult

[10:37] for us.

[10:38] It's that ignorance is natural.

[10:41] And this particular kind of ignorance

[10:45] is exceedingly difficult to come out of,

[10:49] to break that habitual identification

[10:52] with the body and mind, etc.

[10:54] It's not easy.

[10:57] Question from

[10:59] Lucas. I'll see what some of the

[11:00] questions here.

[11:02] Um

[11:04] Lucas lives in Brazil.

[11:06] Lucas asks, "In one of your previous

[11:08] satsangs, you said that evil is the

[11:11] abuse of free will."

[11:14] I'll just uh

[11:15] I'll just uh

[11:16] uh clarify that. What we generally call

[11:20] evil

[11:21] is the abuse of free will. From a Hindu

[11:24] standpoint, there's no such thing as

[11:27] evil. Evil is not a power.

[11:31] Evil is not an entity. Evil is not an

[11:35] existent thing.

[11:38] Free will is an existent thing.

[11:42] That free will is so powerful,

[11:44] it can be abused. And the abuse of free

[11:48] will is what we call evil. Just to

[11:52] clarify.

[11:53] So, my question is uh

[11:55] this question from Lucas. "How does the

[11:57] statement relate to prarabdha karma? For

[12:00] example, if a person suffers from

[12:02] violence, violence is which is the

[12:05] result of somebody else's abuse

[12:08] of free will. So, somebody abuses his or

[12:11] her free will and commits an act of

[12:15] violence against you.

[12:17] Was that an unethical Was that unethical

[12:20] act they endured due to the abuse of

[12:22] free will

[12:24] or was it due to your own product of the

[12:27] karma?

[12:29] Or

[12:31] could it be a combination of the both?

[12:34] And the simple answer is we have no

[12:36] idea.

[12:39] Every situation depends on the

[12:41] situation. First first and foremost, it

[12:44] depends on the situation. There are some

[12:47] situations which are obviously due

[12:51] to the abuse of free will. We've talked

[12:53] several times about the uh

[12:55] the terrorists who flew the uh jets into

[12:59] the World Trade Center

[13:01] years ago. An obvious abuse of free

[13:04] will. So, then we think the people who

[13:07] perished on on that uh awful day, was it

[13:10] due to their product of the karma? We

[13:12] have to say probably not.

[13:16] And we have to say probably because

[13:19] can you prove it one way or the other?

[13:21] So just to recognize the limits of our

[13:24] ability to understand how karma works.

[13:28] So, there are some situations which are

[13:30] obviously

[13:32] uh more obviously due to the abuse of

[13:34] free will. There's other situations

[13:37] which are obviously due to product of

[13:39] the karma.

[13:40] Um

[13:42] I think about a bad traffic accident.

[13:47] So, that person hm

[13:50] Let let's make this kind of interesting.

[13:53] Juicy, as they say.

[13:56] So, somebody is is on their phone

[13:59] driving.

[14:01] Dangerous, right?

[14:04] And smashes into your car and you get

[14:07] injured.

[14:09] Now,

[14:10] is it This is good good is very

[14:12] complicated in a very real situation. Is

[14:16] it that you are injured because of the

[14:19] other person's abuse of free will?

[14:22] They chose to use the telephone.

[14:24] Or is it your proud of the karma?

[14:29] And again, we don't know.

[14:32] But if we analyze it,

[14:35] when they're on the phone, definitely

[14:37] was an act of their free will.

[14:40] Are they on the phone with the intent of

[14:43] causing an accident in which you get

[14:46] injured?

[14:48] So there's no malicious intent involved.

[14:52] How different about those hijackers?

[14:55] I think there were 19 of them, if I

[14:57] remember right, who flew those planes.

[15:00] Absolutely malicious attempt intent.

[15:03] Intent is part of free will, isn't it?

[15:07] So those hijackers had a malicious

[15:09] intent. The person who's talking on the

[15:11] phone,

[15:13] not to justify it. It's not justified.

[15:15] They cause the accident, it's their

[15:17] fault.

[15:19] But there wasn't malicious intent

[15:22] involved.

[15:23] So in this situation, it makes it more

[15:26] possible

[15:29] that you were injured

[15:32] partially due to your proud of the

[15:34] karma,

[15:36] or even wholly due to your proud of the

[15:38] karma.

[15:39] We don't know.

[15:42] One thing we do know is you can't

[15:45] you can't say the person is on the phone

[15:47] because

[15:49] they had a malicious intent to run into

[15:52] your car and hurt you. That's absolutely

[15:55] untrue. So anyway, just to give some

[15:58] some depth to to this discussion and it

[16:01] shows how

[16:03] it shows two things. It shows the limits

[16:07] of our ability to analyze what is karma,

[16:11] but it shows the necessity to be more

[16:13] thoughtful and just say, "Oh, it's

[16:15] because of this." Or "Oh, it's because

[16:18] of that. It's more complicated than

[16:21] that.

[16:22] Okay.

[16:25] Let me see. There's There's a lot of

[16:28] questions here. So, I apologize and Oh

[16:31] my gosh, there are way too many

[16:33] questions here.

[16:35] So, let me apologize in advance.

[16:38] Um

[16:42] You know, I'm seeing quite a a number of

[16:44] questions about

[16:46] the doctrine of karma and and already in

[16:48] this satsang several questions have come

[16:50] up about the doctrine of karma.

[16:53] Can I suggest that the doctrine of

[16:56] karma, this will sound very interesting,

[16:59] surprising maybe.

[17:01] The doctrine of karma is not a spiritual

[17:03] topic.

[17:07] I mean that sincerely.

[17:10] Spiritual means with regard to your true

[17:13] self,

[17:14] right?

[17:15] In Sanskrit, the word spiritual is

[17:18] adhyatmika.

[17:20] With regard to atma, with regard to your

[17:22] true self.

[17:24] Is the doctrine of karma about your true

[17:26] self?

[17:30] It's not.

[17:31] It's about worldly

[17:34] activities, correct?

[17:36] So, and

[17:38] I understand

[17:40] the the need to

[17:43] resolve certain conflicts in life and

[17:46] ask these questions about karma, but I'm

[17:49] not going to take I'm going to maybe

[17:51] limit the number of questions about

[17:53] karma because

[17:55] really speaking,

[17:57] it doesn't directly contribute

[18:01] to your personal practice of

[18:05] atma vichara, self-inquiry.

[18:08] Correct?

[18:09] And that's our main

[18:12] practice in Advaita Vedanta is atma

[18:15] vichara.

[18:17] We can certainly talk about doctrine of

[18:19] karma where there are obstacles to your

[18:23] self-inquiry. That's a good time to talk

[18:26] about it. But what's not a good time

[18:30] is you're curious. Is it like this or is

[18:33] it like that?

[18:35] That kind of curiosity about the

[18:37] doctrine of karma is not particularly

[18:40] helpful

[18:42] in your spiritual path. Okay.

[18:46] Um this question comes from

[18:50] someone who says I have and I'll leave

[18:52] the name off.

[18:54] Uh um I have OCD.

[18:57] Obsessive-compulsive

[18:59] disorder and a lifelong mental illness

[19:02] where my mind is tormented

[19:04] with obsessive thoughts and emotions

[19:07] that urge me to act compulsively.

[19:11] Do you have any words of compassion?

[19:14] And that's what it comes down to is

[19:17] words of compassion.

[19:19] Our hearts and minds go out to everyone

[19:23] who suffers from mental illness.

[19:26] Um

[19:30] I wish there was something more that I

[19:33] as an individual or we as followers of

[19:36] Advaita Vedanta could do.

[19:38] But

[19:40] mental illness

[19:42] is illness. Physical illness requires

[19:45] treatment from professionals. Mental

[19:48] illness requires treatment from

[19:50] professionals. I sure hope that this

[19:52] individual is receiving proper

[19:55] treatment. And yes, we know that

[19:58] treatments aren't always that effective.

[20:01] There's many physical ailments

[20:04] that can't be completely treated.

[20:08] And we do the best we can. The doctors

[20:09] do the best they can. And that's perhaps

[20:11] even more true of mental illnesses

[20:15] that the treatment modalities, both the

[20:18] medications and the talking therapies,

[20:21] both of them are limited

[20:24] in what they can accomplish.

[20:26] On the other hand,

[20:28] something is better than nothing.

[20:31] So, if you have some physical problem

[20:33] and a treatment only helps halfway,

[20:37] halfway better than what you had before.

[20:40] In the same way, if if someone complains

[20:42] that these medications aren't completely

[20:45] removing my my psychiatric symptoms,

[20:49] it might still be helping.

[20:52] To expect a medication to completely

[20:56] remove psych- psychiatric symptoms is an

[21:00] unreasonable expectation. Doesn't mean

[21:03] you shouldn't take the meds.

[21:05] Means means that we have to have more

[21:08] realistic expectations

[21:11] for the meds. And same for talking

[21:12] therapy. Talking any kind of talking

[21:14] therapy, especially

[21:17] for OCD, I think behavioral

[21:20] therapy is kind of the go-to therapy. It

[21:23] doesn't It's not a There's no magic

[21:26] bullet, sadly.

[21:28] With regard to therapies, whether

[21:30] whether talking therapies or

[21:33] medical therapies, but those therapies

[21:36] can help some.

[21:39] Words of compassion is all as as much as

[21:42] we can give. If you have mental illness,

[21:47] seek professional

[21:49] help.

[21:50] Okay.

[21:52] Um what else do we have here? Then we'll

[21:54] take some questions. Here.

[22:03] This question from

[22:05] Suhag, a 17-year-old who lives in India.

[22:09] Nice that a 17-year-old in India is

[22:12] watching the satsang. I'm impressed.

[22:14] Good.

[22:16] >> [laughter]

[22:17] >> Um how can I improve myself because I am

[22:20] unable to focus on my studies, which is

[22:23] my dharma?

[22:25] I want to push to my limits, like 14

[22:28] hours a day,

[22:30] and meditate daily.

[22:34] You're on the right track.

[22:36] To recognize

[22:38] to recognize

[22:40] >> [snorts]

[22:41] >> a problem

[22:42] is so crucial.

[22:45] Suhaq says, "I want to improve myself. I

[22:49] know I'm unable to focus on my studies."

[22:53] That recognition itself

[22:57] will put you on the right track.

[23:00] I'm smiling. I'm remembering myself when

[23:03] I was 17.

[23:05] >> [laughter]

[23:08] >> Suhaq is doing a lot better than I was

[23:11] >> [laughter]

[23:13] >> at the age of 17.

[23:15] When I was 17, I wasn't trying to

[23:18] improve myself.

[23:21] I was trying to have fun.

[23:25] And in retrospect, what a shame.

[23:28] Yeah, several years of my life were

[23:30] wasted

[23:32] because of my poor attitude in those

[23:35] days.

[23:37] So, I think we all congratulate Suhaq

[23:41] on on the intention to improve oneself.

[23:46] 14 hours a day might not be a reasonable

[23:50] expectation, but as much as you can, and

[23:53] meditating daily will help.

[23:58] Yeah, but not

[23:59] Set that 14 hours a day aside.

[24:02] 15 minutes a day of meditation can help

[24:07] a lot.

[24:08] Uh

[24:10] When we're young, there are so many

[24:12] changes going on in our lives and in our

[24:16] bodies, and it causes lots of uh

[24:19] lots of chaos, and meditation can help

[24:23] you navigate that chaos. So, continue

[24:26] your studies, do the best you can, but

[24:29] honestly, the very fact that that you

[24:32] recognize

[24:34] >> [snorts]

[24:34] >> that you're distracted and you want to

[24:37] improve yourself, that's 90% of the

[24:40] solution.

[24:41] Is recognizing the problem, especially

[24:44] for a for a young person. Excellent.

[24:47] Uh this question comes from

[24:52] Yeah, can I just remind you if you're

[24:54] put if you're leaving questions, it's

[24:56] nice if you give your name and location.

[24:59] And also uh

[25:01] only questions.

[25:03] Uh

[25:03] it's hard for me to read through all

[25:05] these, so no comments. That's why uh we

[25:08] have a no comment rule on our on our

[25:12] chat.

[25:14] Uh question, must you be a strict

[25:16] vegetarian to practice ahimsa?

[25:22] A strict vegetarian is not

[25:25] Look at this. Is a strict vegetarian

[25:29] perfect in his or her practice of

[25:32] ahimsa?

[25:34] Every day, they're killing so many

[25:37] plants.

[25:39] >> [laughter]

[25:40] >> And plants are living things.

[25:43] So, being strict vegetarian

[25:47] is not the point. Causing the least harm

[25:52] is the point.

[25:54] I've joked with you many times.

[25:57] Being Being Hindu

[26:01] and being vegeta- being vegetarian as a

[26:04] Hindu or as a follower of of Vedanta,

[26:07] it's not a diet plan. It has nothing to

[26:11] do with diet and has everything to do

[26:14] with minimizing

[26:16] the amount of harm we cause in life. All

[26:20] right.

[26:24] Is it better to reject non-vegetarian

[26:27] food and upset the person who prepared

[26:30] it.

[26:33] Or is it better to accept the food

[26:35] graciously knowing that a living thing

[26:37] has already died?

[26:40] >> [laughter]

[26:43] >> Ooh, I I don't think I could do that.

[26:48] Somebody says, "Go ahead, it's already

[26:51] dead."

[26:53] >> [laughter]

[26:54] >> Go ahead and eat it. And

[26:57] that doesn't work for me anyway.

[26:59] No, no, no. I think it's reasonable to

[27:01] expect people to

[27:05] understand your decisions, your choice

[27:09] in life. If you're vegetarian

[27:11] and somebody

[27:13] serves you non-veg food,

[27:16] that person Come on, no one's really

[27:18] going to have their feelings hurt

[27:21] nowadays. "Oh, they rejected my non-veg

[27:24] food." I don't think people will really

[27:27] be offended. So,

[27:29] no no problem there.

[27:31] Okay. Um

[27:38] "Could you kindly illuminate the gap in

[27:41] my practice or understanding?

[27:44] Is Is recogni- Is the recognition

[27:47] through sustained self-inquiry?

[27:51] Yes.

[27:52] Sustained

[27:54] self-inquiry,

[27:55] Atma Vichara.

[27:58] But interesting choice of words,

[28:00] sustained.

[28:02] So, what does it mean to be sustained?

[28:05] It means you need

[28:09] to be prompted

[28:11] to do self-inquiry.

[28:13] When you're busily engaged in your daily

[28:17] activities,

[28:19] you're not going to be performing

[28:21] self-inquiry. You're going to be dealing

[28:24] with your chores, answering the phone,

[28:26] answering emails, whatever it is,

[28:28] whatever are your duties, you'll be

[28:30] engaged in those duties. So, what helps

[28:34] you sustain the practice of

[28:37] self-inquiry?

[28:39] Well, attending the satsang helps you.

[28:44] Meditating every day helps you.

[28:48] Doing some spiritual study every day

[28:51] helps you.

[28:53] So, engage in activities

[28:57] that prompt you

[29:00] to perform self-inquiry

[29:03] is exceedingly helpful. Okay.

[29:06] Uh do we have questions from anyone

[29:08] here? Good. You'll need the

[29:11] microphone.

[29:17] And

[29:21] Yes, please.

[29:23] >> Uh Swamiji

[29:24] Um I want to understand uh the

[29:27] difference between

[29:28] uh jivanmukta and videhamukta.

[29:32] >> Okay.

[29:33] >> help me.

[29:33] >> You're good.

[29:35] I like questions that are very concise.

[29:38] I like that.

[29:41] And and

[29:42] the difference between jivanmukta and

[29:45] jivanmukti, the state, and videhamukti,

[29:50] the state. States of liberation. Mukti

[29:53] is liberation.

[29:55] So, videhamukti is a state of being

[29:58] liberated

[30:00] Sorry to be crude. When you're dead.

[30:03] >> [laughter]

[30:07] >> How How does that help you now?

[30:13] If videhamukti

[30:15] is a state of being liberated when

[30:17] you're dead,

[30:19] first of all, being liberated when

[30:20] you're dead means you're non-separate

[30:23] from Brahman

[30:24] and you're not going to be reborn again.

[30:28] Liberated while dead. How does that help

[30:30] you right now?

[30:33] Not at all.

[30:35] I'd like to point out

[30:37] that many

[30:40] schools of thought

[30:45] Hindu schools of thought

[30:47] have Videha Mukti as their ultimate

[30:50] goal.

[30:55] So, there are so many people who are

[30:58] engaged in doing specific rituals

[31:02] or following certain spiritual

[31:05] traditions

[31:06] because they were told if you do these

[31:10] rituals, if you do these practices, if

[31:13] you follow these teachings

[31:15] you will be freed from rebirth

[31:19] and you will gain Videha Mukti.

[31:25] And it doesn't help you now.

[31:31] That's missing something

[31:33] crucial.

[31:34] We need help now.

[31:39] The main focus of Advaita Vedanta

[31:43] is Jivan Mukti.

[31:47] Enlightenment

[31:48] now.

[31:51] Free liberation

[31:53] now, meaning freedom from suffering now.

[31:59] And surprisingly

[32:02] Advaita Vedanta can actually deliver on

[32:06] that promise.

[32:08] Whether or not Videha Mukti even exists,

[32:12] we have no way of confirming.

[32:16] How do you know if you get reborn?

[32:18] How do you know if you don't get reborn?

[32:21] Well, how can we even begin to to

[32:24] inquire into that? We have no idea.

[32:28] It's purely a matter of faith.

[32:31] Unverifiable

[32:33] belief.

[32:35] But

[32:36] so Videha Mukti

[32:39] is an unverifiable

[32:42] belief.

[32:44] And I would

[32:45] take a step further and say, to make an

[32:49] unverifiable

[32:51] belief

[32:53] the focal point of your spiritual life

[32:58] is misplaced effort.

[33:02] So, our focus in Advaita Vedanta is not

[33:06] on a verify unverifiable belief. It is

[33:10] on freedom from suffering, which you can

[33:14] verify in your own experience.

[33:19] And you can.

[33:20] If you have been

[33:22] very deeply engaged with these teachings

[33:26] for a period of time,

[33:29] chances are

[33:31] you can actually

[33:33] say, "I suffer less today

[33:38] than I used to."

[33:39] If these teachings have really gone in,

[33:43] you can probably recognize that you have

[33:46] already

[33:47] been blessed by these teachings. So, it

[33:51] is a verifiable

[33:53] truth, fact, that these teachings can

[33:57] free you from suffering, and there is

[34:00] indeed such a thing as complete freedom

[34:05] from suffering, which is Jivan Mukti.

[34:09] Jivan Mukti, complete freedom from

[34:11] suffering,

[34:12] accessible here in this lifetime. Okay.

[34:16] Few more questions here.

[34:18] >> Sorry, one.

[34:20] >> Yeah, you'll need the microphone. You'll

[34:22] need the microphone.

[34:30] Yes, please.

[34:31] >> The The question

[34:33] that was asked recently,

[34:35] was that like a confusion with Janaka

[34:38] Videhi?

[34:39] >> What question you said asked recently?

[34:42] >> Mukti. Yes.

[34:44] >> Uh

[34:46] Okay.

[34:47] Yes.

[34:51] That's not similar to what we have heard

[34:54] about Janak Videhi where he

[34:57] went above the feeling of

[35:00] the body. Janak Videhi

[35:05] Janaka was enlightened.

[35:07] Which which means which means he didn't

[35:10] suffer.

[35:12] Right?

[35:13] The this term

[35:16] Videhi

[35:20] I'm not sure what it means in the

[35:22] Ramayana

[35:24] to call Janaka a Videhi.

[35:27] He was a Viragya Viragi.

[35:31] Videhi means without a body.

[35:33] Janaka Janaka had Janaka had a body.

[35:39] He was enlightened which means he was

[35:41] free from suffering.

[35:43] Which means when he was informed that

[35:45] his palace was burning down

[35:48] he didn't get sad.

[35:52] He didn't suffer.

[35:54] So, Videhi means without a body.

[35:58] Janaka had a body.

[36:01] But he wasn't identified.

[36:04] Not attached attached is the wrong word

[36:05] here.

[36:06] Attached we're going beyond detachment.

[36:14] To be attached means what?

[36:17] To be attached means to have your sense

[36:21] of well-being dependent

[36:24] on some external factor.

[36:27] To be attached on a loved to be attached

[36:30] to a loved one

[36:32] means your sense of well-being depends

[36:36] on that loved one.

[36:38] To be attached to your body

[36:40] means your sense of well-being depends

[36:44] on the condition of your body.

[36:48] But Advaita Vedanta goes well beyond

[36:52] that.

[36:54] Because I can be detached from my body,

[36:58] but it's still me.

[37:04] I can be detached In fact, it's pretty

[37:06] easy to be detached from your body

[37:09] when you're young and healthy.

[37:12] >> [laughter]

[37:13] >> That is, your sense of well-being

[37:15] doesn't depend on your your body is

[37:17] doing fine, no problem.

[37:19] >> [laughter]

[37:22] >> So that

[37:23] So therefore, there's no conscious

[37:25] There's no you know, you're not worrying

[37:27] about your body. Actually, young people

[37:30] do, I know that. Anyway,

[37:32] what I do mean to say is there is in

[37:35] Advaita Vedanta, our goal is not merely

[37:39] to be to lose attachment to one's body,

[37:43] but to lose identification

[37:47] with the body.

[37:50] So Janaka, being enlightened,

[37:53] was not identified

[37:56] with his body. The term Videhi doesn't

[37:59] make sense in that context. Videhi

[38:02] literally means bodyless.

[38:05] And he had He had a He had a body. Okay.

[38:10] You'll need the microphone.

[38:12] You'll need the microphone.

[38:15] So, let me take another question, and

[38:18] then we'll take your question.

[38:20] This question comes from

[38:24] J in New York.

[38:27] Is it wrong to say that conscious This

[38:30] is interesting.

[38:31] Is it wrong to say that consciousness is

[38:35] one?

[38:37] Since consciousness is not an object.

[38:42] L-

[38:43] Think twice.

[38:47] So if consciousness is one

[38:52] and that is two.

[38:56] Consciousness is one.

[38:59] My body is two.

[39:01] Consciousness is one.

[39:04] My thoughts

[39:06] are

[39:07] two, three, four, five

[39:10] >> [laughter]

[39:10] >> to infinity.

[39:13] My thoughts are many.

[39:15] So, in fact

[39:18] we we

[39:19] in teaching

[39:21] we often make the statement,

[39:22] consciousness is one.

[39:25] But, the ultimate truth

[39:27] is not one. In fact, we call this a

[39:31] dvaita vedanta.

[39:34] Advaita means not two.

[39:38] We don't call this

[39:40] eka vedanta

[39:42] or ikea vedanta. How's that? That sounds

[39:45] better. Ikea vedanta. No such thing.

[39:50] Advaita.

[39:52] And that's because in because if if you

[39:56] consider reality to be one

[40:01] one is followed by two.

[40:05] Therefore, the Upanishads says ekam eva

[40:09] advitiyam.

[40:12] The truth is ekam eva is one alone, but

[40:17] one that is advitiyam, not followed by

[40:21] something else.

[40:23] So, we start off by saying there's one

[40:25] consciousness. That's

[40:29] You you've you've probably heard me say

[40:31] that that these teachings of vedanta

[40:34] lead you through stages of understanding

[40:36] like stepping stones to cross a river.

[40:40] So, one that consciousness is one

[40:44] is one of those many stepping stones.

[40:48] The next stepping stone

[40:50] is means you have to give up the idea

[40:52] that consciousness is one

[40:55] and you have to take the next step,

[40:57] which is not one consciousness, but only

[41:03] consciousness.

[41:05] We started off with one consciousness,

[41:07] >> [snorts]

[41:08] >> but we go further.

[41:10] Only consciousness. So, so J asks, is it

[41:15] wrong to say consciousness is one? No,

[41:17] it's not wrong. But it's not the

[41:19] ultimate

[41:20] teaching. It's a helpful teaching that

[41:23] comes

[41:25] en route to the ultimate teaching.

[41:27] Okay. Uh

[41:30] What am I doing here? This one. Yes.

[41:34] Your question, please.

[41:35] >> Swamiji, um my Christian friend wants to

[41:37] know from you what is Ishvara

[41:41] and the need for Ishvara if he is

[41:42] already Brahman.

[41:47] >> Uh what is Ishvara? Ishvara is creator,

[41:50] sustainer, destroyer.

[41:53] We exist because of Ishvara.

[41:56] Second part of the question didn't

[41:58] really make sense.

[42:00] >> [snorts]

[42:00] >> Say it again.

[42:03] On the microphone, please.

[42:06] >> He says he understands he's Brahman, but

[42:09] he doesn't get it. He loses it when

[42:13] anyone talks about Ishvara.

[42:14] >> Then he doesn't understand he's Brahman.

[42:18] It doesn't make sense.

[42:22] Can you help me understand better?

[42:26] >> I think he wants to know the distinction

[42:28] between Ishvara Brahman

[42:29] >> Okay.

[42:30] >> and

[42:31] >> between Ishvara and Brahman. Brahman is

[42:34] the non-dual reality because of which

[42:37] Ishvara exists as creator, sustainer,

[42:40] destroyer.

[42:42] That's the answer.

[42:43] Ishvara is the underlying non-dual

[42:46] reality

[42:48] because of which Ishvara exists as

[42:51] creator, sustainer, and destroyer. Okay?

[42:57] You're You're unclear. What

[42:59] >> No, I don't understand that.

[43:01] >> Ishvara exists, right?

[43:06] How?

[43:08] Where How How is it that Ishvara exists?

[43:12] >> Because of Brahman.

[43:14] >> You just answered your question.

[43:16] >> But we exist because of Brahman. Maya

[43:18] exists because of Brahman.

[43:19] >> Everything exists because of Brahman,

[43:21] right?

[43:23] So, and

[43:26] Right?

[43:26] >> We are Brahman.

[43:27] So, what's the need for Ishvara?

[43:29] >> Oh, because friends uh okay, that we've

[43:33] Now we got the question. Sorry, I didn't

[43:35] understand your question.

[43:36] Problem is mine. I didn't understand the

[43:39] question.

[43:40] If everything is Brahman, what is the

[43:43] need for Ishvara?

[43:45] If everything is Brahman, how can we

[43:47] explain that you're asking me this

[43:49] question?

[43:53] Everything is Brahman is a standpoint

[43:55] which is so lofty that we can't relate

[43:58] to it. It doesn't answer any of our

[44:00] questions.

[44:02] Suppose you you say, "Swami ji, I'm

[44:04] suffering."

[44:05] And my answer is, "Oh, everything is

[44:07] Brahman." How does that help you?

[44:11] "Swami ji, I'm sad."

[44:13] Everything sadness is Brahman.

[44:15] >> [laughter]

[44:19] >> I tell you Hey, that that's that's

[44:22] that's

[44:24] Everything is Brahman.

[44:27] You get my point. So, the way these

[44:29] teachings work

[44:32] is to lead you.

[44:36] But let me put it like this. Everything

[44:38] is Brahman is a philosophical statement.

[44:42] And a philosophical statement is not

[44:44] going to free you from suffering.

[44:47] On the other hand,

[44:49] following these teachings methodically,

[44:53] supported

[44:55] by your practice of prayer and

[44:56] meditation.

[44:58] That's where Ishvara comes in again.

[45:01] So, following these teachings

[45:03] methodically, supported by your personal

[45:06] practice of prayer and meditation can

[45:09] lead you out of suffering.

[45:12] Philosophical debates about

[45:15] if everything is Brahman, why is there

[45:18] Ishvara?

[45:20] Philosophical inquiries like that will

[45:22] not free you from suffering. This is not

[45:25] a philosophical pursuit. It is freedom

[45:28] from suffering. Does Does that answer

[45:31] the questions? Oh, okay.

[45:34] Thank you.

[45:35] >> [laughter]

[45:37] >> All right, couple more questions.

[45:40] Um

[45:42] Oh, this question uh

[45:44] Let's see here.

[45:49] Uh

[45:49] >> [groaning]

[45:55] >> Uh this question comes from Abhishek who

[45:58] lives in uh

[46:00] Canada in Vancouver. Again, we're

[46:02] getting a lot of There were some things

[46:04] going on in Vancouver.

[46:05] >> [laughter]

[46:06] >> I don't know what.

[46:07] Must be one of those very spiritual

[46:10] places. I thought Rishikesh was such a

[46:12] spiritual place.

[46:13] Now, I'm starting to revise my idea of

[46:16] Vancouver. We also get a lot of a lot of

[46:18] questions from Bangalore.

[46:20] So, must be something unique going on in

[46:23] Vancouver and Bangalore. Anyway,

[46:26] Abhishek asks,

[46:28] >> [clears throat]

[46:28] >> um with regular meditation, my capacity

[46:32] By the way, we'll let this be our last

[46:34] question for today. I just uh

[46:37] Yeah, we'll let this be the last

[46:39] question for today.

[46:41] >> [snorts]

[46:41] >> With regular meditation, my capacity to

[46:44] observe my thoughts has sharpened.

[46:48] Good.

[46:49] I often feel like a detached witness

[46:53] >> [snorts]

[46:53] >> much as a waterproof substance in in

[46:58] water.

[46:59] The The

[47:00] The The metaphor that actually

[47:02] waterproof substance and water, the

[47:04] traditional metaphor which Abhishek

[47:07] probably is referring to here is a lotus

[47:10] leaf.

[47:11] A lotus leaf that has that waxy

[47:13] covering. So, if you drop water on it,

[47:16] the water just forms a bead and

[47:19] rolls off. In fact, Sri Krishna himself

[47:22] gives that metaphor in the Bhagavad

[47:24] Gita. Lovely metaphor. And Abhishek said

[47:27] he's he has that perspective. By the

[47:29] way, I hope that perspective is is a

[47:31] perspective in meditation.

[47:34] Being a detached witness is a practice

[47:38] meant for meditation. Being a detached

[47:41] witness, Abhishek isn't suggesting this,

[47:43] but we've had this discussion before.

[47:46] Some people wrongly assume that

[47:49] the a goal of spiritual life is to be a

[47:53] detached witness all the time.

[48:00] Including

[48:01] when your best friend tells you that my

[48:05] father just died.

[48:07] You have to be a detached witness.

[48:10] So, when your best friend says my father

[48:12] just died, you remain as a detached

[48:15] witness. Oh, is that so?

[48:20] You get my point? Okay.

[48:23] We need We need not go further. Being a

[48:25] detached witness is a practice for

[48:28] meditation.

[48:30] Then

[48:31] Abhishek [clears throat] continues. Yet

[48:35] I find myself reflecting on the nature

[48:37] of this observation itself. Excellent.

[48:43] That's Atma Vichara, right?

[48:46] I am the In meditation, I am the

[48:49] detached observer

[48:53] of whatever is happening in my mind.

[48:57] And Abhishek says I

[49:00] [snorts] on the nature of this

[49:01] observation itself.

[49:05] That's Atma Vichara.

[49:08] What does it mean?

[49:10] How is it that I can know my thoughts?

[49:14] What's going on here?

[49:16] What

[49:18] in that experience

[49:21] of observing your thoughts, by the way,

[49:24] observing your thoughts is an experience

[49:26] or not?

[49:28] Yeah.

[49:30] Call it it's an experience.

[49:32] So, in that experience of observing your

[49:35] thoughts, exactly what is going on?

[49:39] How do you know your thoughts?

[49:43] Why [clears throat] is it that your

[49:44] thoughts are not unknown?

[49:48] That's Atma Vichara.

[49:51] Um he says, "Since this process of

[49:53] watching

[49:54] is also a movement in the mind, that's

[49:58] an experience,

[50:00] is there a primary or super thought

[50:03] produced by the mind that oversees all

[50:07] other thoughts?" It's a good question

[50:10] coming from

[50:13] this analysis inquiry. Analysis is a

[50:16] wrong word. Analysis means conceptual.

[50:19] This is an inquiry. What's going on here

[50:24] in meditation? What's happening? I'm

[50:26] observing my thoughts.

[50:29] Okay.

[50:31] What's happening?

[50:33] How is it that I'm observing my thoughts

[50:36] leading Abhishek to the question, "Is

[50:38] there a

[50:38] Is that experience the result of a super

[50:44] thought, what he calls, that oversees

[50:48] all other thoughts?"

[50:51] That's not your ex- By the way, is that

[50:53] your experience?

[50:56] I'm experiencing a super thought that's

[51:00] observing the thought of watching

[51:04] thoughts.

[51:05] >> [laughter]

[51:08] >> That's

[51:09] not an accurate representation of your

[51:12] experience.

[51:14] So,

[51:16] let let Many people though have this

[51:18] doubt. Is there like another kind of

[51:22] thought that's somehow more fundamental

[51:27] that's present as I observe my thought?

[51:30] There is.

[51:32] But it's not what you think it is.

[51:34] >> [snorts]

[51:36] >> So, let's examine this. And as I said,

[51:39] last question for today.

[51:43] When you observe your thoughts,

[51:47] first of all,

[51:49] the obs- Is the observer a thought?

[51:54] When you say, "I observe my thoughts."

[51:57] >> [snorts]

[51:58] >> Is the observer a thought?

[52:01] >> Yes.

[52:02] >> That means I am a thought?

[52:04] You can't say I am a thought.

[52:07] A thought doesn't observe a thought. A

[52:09] conscious being observe thoughts.

[52:12] >> [snorts]

[52:12] >> I am a conscious being

[52:15] who's observing

[52:17] this thought.

[52:19] That I cannot be a thought.

[52:22] You are not a thought. You are a

[52:25] conscious being.

[52:26] So, in meditation, when you are when you

[52:29] have the experience, "I observe my

[52:33] thoughts." That I is not a thought. That

[52:39] I is you, a conscious being. That I is

[52:44] you, consciousness.

[52:47] But

[52:50] along with consciousness,

[52:52] something else is present.

[52:56] It's not just consciousness.

[52:59] Because if it was just consciousness,

[53:03] you wouldn't feel like, I am watching my

[53:07] thoughts.

[53:10] When you have that feeling

[53:12] I am watching.

[53:15] It's a feeling of I ness.

[53:19] The feeling of being an individual

[53:22] being.

[53:24] The feeling of being a blob of

[53:27] consciousness, a

[53:29] an individual

[53:31] consciousness.

[53:33] That feeling of individuality we've

[53:35] talked about several times before. We

[53:38] call it in Sanskrit ahankara.

[53:41] Ahankara

[53:43] is a specific

[53:45] mental event

[53:48] that gives rise to the feeling of

[53:52] individuality.

[53:56] This is subtle.

[53:58] When you observe your thoughts

[54:02] that feeling of individuality

[54:05] is present

[54:07] in addition

[54:09] to the thoughts you're observing.

[54:12] Which means there are now three things

[54:15] going on.

[54:17] There's a thought being known.

[54:20] There's you, the conscious observer.

[54:24] And

[54:26] there's this other thought.

[54:29] Not exactly a thought. I've called it a

[54:31] feeling.

[54:33] Ahankara, I keep I've used that term

[54:36] very deliberately. If you call ahankara

[54:39] a thought, doesn't make sense because

[54:42] it's not like other thoughts.

[54:44] >> [snorts]

[54:45] >> On the other hand

[54:46] it is most certainly a feeling. By the

[54:49] way, feelings and thoughts are

[54:50] identical.

[54:52] Can you tell the difference between a

[54:54] thought and a feeling of sadness?

[54:57] They're different.

[54:58] Feelings are different than thoughts.

[55:01] Thoughts are conceptual.

[55:04] Feelings are and

[55:06] conceptual. You feel them.

[55:11] Ahankara is not conceptual.

[55:14] It's not a conceptual thought.

[55:16] Ahankara is a feeling.

[55:19] But it's a feeling very different than

[55:21] happiness and sadness.

[55:23] It's a feeling like

[55:25] I am me.

[55:27] I feel like me.

[55:30] I feel like an individual conscious

[55:34] being. You with me now? It's subtle.

[55:38] So now look at that experience in

[55:40] meditation.

[55:42] I am watching my thoughts.

[55:45] Thought is known. Thought is a mental

[55:48] object known to you.

[55:51] You are present as a conscious observer.

[55:54] Atma.

[55:56] But something else is present.

[56:00] That feeling of individuality.

[56:05] And that feeling of individuality is in

[56:08] your mind along with the thought you're

[56:10] watching.

[56:12] Which is why

[56:15] when you observe your thought,

[56:18] this is subtle. Try this.

[56:22] When you observe your thought,

[56:27] are you not simultaneously aware

[56:31] that you feel like an individual person?

[56:37] Right?

[56:39] When you observe a thought,

[56:43] in that experience,

[56:46] you not only observe the thought,

[56:49] but you also

[56:52] feel like an individual person. So two

[56:56] things are going on.

[56:57] One is observation of the thought,

[57:00] and the other is the feeling of

[57:02] individuality.

[57:06] So this feeling of individuality,

[57:09] ahankara,

[57:11] is

[57:13] kind of what Abhishek is hinting at

[57:15] here. He calls it a super thought that's

[57:18] not a helpful expression.

[57:21] What I would instead of calling it a

[57:22] super thought, I would say that the

[57:25] ahankara as a feeling of individuality

[57:30] is a mental activity

[57:34] that pervades

[57:36] all other mental activities.

[57:41] It's simultaneously

[57:43] present. I mean, actually I have to

[57:45] withdraw that word, all.

[57:48] This feeling of individuality

[57:51] is a mental activity that's

[57:54] usually present whenever you're awake.

[57:58] I have to say usually present because it

[58:00] can go away.

[58:02] But

[58:02] it goes away in a state of absorption,

[58:05] goes away in samadhi, for example. But

[58:08] generally, when you're awake, that

[58:11] feeling of individuality is present

[58:16] all the time. It's present right now.

[58:21] You You experience yourself as an

[58:23] individual.

[58:24] And at the same time you're listening to

[58:26] me.

[58:27] So, we've got two things going on.

[58:30] You're seeing more than two. You're

[58:32] seeing me.

[58:34] You're hearing me.

[58:35] You're thinking about what I'm saying.

[58:39] And you might even be thinking

[58:41] when is this satsang coming to an end?

[58:43] >> [laughter]

[58:47] >> So, all of these different mental

[58:49] activities are going on.

[58:52] Simultaneously,

[58:55] you feel like an individual person.

[59:00] All of this is simultaneously present in

[59:04] this experience.

[59:08] It's present in this experience and even

[59:11] in meditation. In most kinds of

[59:14] meditation,

[59:16] that ahankara can also be present.

[59:18] Whenever you feel like I am meditating,

[59:24] that ahankara is present.

[59:27] In some kinds of meditation, however,

[59:30] that feeling that I am meditating goes

[59:34] away.

[59:36] In certain forms of meditation, but not

[59:40] when you're observing your thoughts.

[59:42] >> [snorts]

[59:43] >> When you're observing your thoughts,

[59:46] I am meditating, I am observing my

[59:50] thoughts. Ahankara is present. So, this

[59:54] is a very What we've just done

[59:57] is actually a very profound analysis

[1:00:00] of

[1:00:02] how the ahankara

[1:00:05] is simultaneously

[1:00:07] present in your mind

[1:00:11] in most ordinary experiences.

[1:00:15] I say most because we have to ex-

[1:00:17] certain meditative states of absorption

[1:00:20] are left out, but ordinary

[1:00:23] experiences take place in the presence

[1:00:27] of that feeling of individuality,

[1:00:30] which is a mental occurrence that comes

[1:00:34] and goes, and

[1:00:36] to

[1:00:37] understand Let Let me wrap this up here

[1:00:39] by bringing us back to Atma Vichara.

[1:00:43] To recognize

[1:00:45] what is that feeling of individuality,

[1:00:49] and the fact that it comes and goes

[1:00:52] is such an important recognition

[1:00:56] in this process of self-inquiry, which

[1:00:59] is what Abhishek is talking about here.

[1:01:01] So, absolutely on on the right track.

[1:01:04] The track The track being Atma Vichara,

[1:01:08] and with that, we'll conclude our

[1:01:10] satsang today with the prayer.

[1:01:15] Om

[1:01:58] >> See you next time.

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Swami Tadatmananda says karma yoga is essentially a devotional practice, so action feels mechanical when a person lacks a developed prayerful connection to Ishvara. He stresses that bhakti is not an idea and must be cultivated in parallel with karma yoga. Understanding the teaching alone is not enough to make the practice feel natural.
In the satsang, the Swami explains that karma is defined as intentional action, and animals act from programming rather than free will. A lion killing a lamb is acting naturally, not committing adharma. Because animals cannot act with intention, they cannot build punya or papa for future births.
From a Hindu standpoint, Swami Tadatmananda says evil is not a power, entity, or existent thing. What people call evil is the abuse of free will, which is an existent and very powerful capacity. This distinction shapes how the tradition thinks about responsibility for violence.
Jivan mukti is liberation while still living in a body, while videha mukti refers to liberation without a body; the Swami glosses videhi simply as meaning without a body. He discussed these categories in the context of whether King Janaka was a jivan mukta, answering with humor. The categories are best understood as pointers rather than checklists.
The Swami addresses the claim that consciousness is one, saying the statement is not wrong but that it must be understood more fully rather than repeated as a slogan. He links this to the question of Ishvara, treating the philosophical and devotional views as related rather than opposed. Oneness is meant to be known from within.
Swami Tadatmananda redirects the question by asking how you know your thoughts and who is observing them. He identifies the observer as consciousness rather than a higher thought, since a thought cannot be the witness of other thoughts. This points students toward self-enquiry as the way to explore the question directly.
Atma Vichara is self-enquiry, the disciplined investigation of who is aware. The Swami presents it as the track that the session's varied questions all lead toward, from the koshas to the witness of thought. He suggests that a student can begin practicing without settling every doctrine first.

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