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[0:01] Okay.
[0:07] Om Saha Navavatu Saha Nau Bhunaktu Saha
[0:13] Viryam Karavavahai
[0:16] Tejasvi Naavadhitamastu
[0:20] [snorts] Ma Vidvishavahai
[0:24] Om Shanti
[0:26] Shanti Shanti
[0:33] Om.
[0:35] Very good. Welcome to you all. Welcome
[0:38] also to all of you attending our Satsang
[0:41] online. We have lots of great questions
[0:44] again, so let me get started
[0:48] immediately.
[0:51] What happened here?
[0:55] Uh
[0:58] Sorry. Where is up?
[1:01] >> [sighs]
[1:02] >> Here.
[1:03] Okay. There we go. First question
[1:06] is from Robbie, who lives in Scotland.
[1:10] Robbie asks a question regarding Karma
[1:13] Yoga.
[1:15] Uh
[1:17] She says, "I've been cleaning my house
[1:20] today and reminding myself that I'm
[1:22] grateful to Bhagavan that that he has
[1:25] blessed me with this house and that I've
[1:28] been given an opportunity to clean
[1:30] things out of love.
[1:32] For me, it feels slightly forced.
[1:37] That
[1:38] not surprising, yeah. It feels slightly
[1:40] forced in the sense that it's mechanical
[1:43] and not natural.
[1:45] So, let's examine this a little bit and
[1:49] it's evidence of something you may have
[1:51] heard me say before and that is
[1:56] from my perspective, the practice of
[1:58] Karma Yoga is much more difficult than
[2:02] the teachings of Advaita Vedanta.
[2:05] It's
[2:06] harder than you think.
[2:09] And and what Ravi is calling attention
[2:12] to is one of the many aspects that makes
[2:15] Karma Yoga challenging.
[2:18] And that is Karma Yoga is essentially
[2:21] the practice of bhakti.
[2:24] It's a devotional practice.
[2:27] And
[2:29] some people have a highly developed
[2:33] devotional practice, prayer, and
[2:36] devotional meditation, perhaps puja, but
[2:39] many many people don't have
[2:43] a highly developed practice of prayer.
[2:47] A sense of When I say prayer, I mean not
[2:50] just recitation of prayers, I mean an
[2:52] emotional connection in a prayerful mood
[2:56] to be emotionally connected to Bhagavan.
[3:00] And if it happens that you don't have a
[3:03] highly developed
[3:06] practice of prayer,
[3:09] Karma Yoga
[3:11] will feel as as Ravi says, it'll it'll
[3:14] feel forced and unnatural because you've
[3:17] heard me say that you have to
[3:20] that the practice of Karma Yoga
[3:24] means you
[3:27] are engaged in actions knowing that
[3:30] Bhagavan is present in every action,
[3:34] present in many ways. And this is kind
[3:36] of the the breadth of Karma Yoga.
[3:39] Ishvara is present as the one who gives
[3:43] you the shakti to act.
[3:47] Ishvara is presence as present as the
[3:50] one who has blessed you with the
[3:52] situation in which you have in which in
[3:55] which you are you live and experience.
[4:00] But come
[4:02] those are ideas.
[4:04] Bhakti is not an idea.
[4:07] Nor is Karma Yoga an idea. So, we can
[4:11] begin with with these conceptual
[4:13] teachings about the practice of Karma
[4:16] Yoga, but in order for that practice to
[4:19] become very deep and fulfilling and
[4:23] useful,
[4:24] it really requires in parallel with that
[4:28] Karma, what's required is a parallel
[4:32] practice of Bhakti.
[4:34] And in particular deepening your sense
[4:38] [snorts] of connectedness
[4:41] to Ishvara, which is a whole other
[4:43] topic, so we'll set that aside. But just
[4:46] the important
[4:47] message here
[4:49] is that the practice of Karma Yoga
[4:52] really depends on a de-
[4:56] on you developing
[4:58] a sense of connectedness
[5:01] with Bhagavan. All right. Next question
[5:04] from Anjali, who lives in Mauritius.
[5:09] Uh I have a question regarding human
[5:11] birth. In what other births could a jiva
[5:15] earn punya to get a human body?
[5:20] I
[5:20] First of all, I think questions about
[5:23] the doctrine of Karma in a very general
[5:25] sense are not so helpful to our
[5:27] spiritual growth, you know.
[5:29] >> [snorts]
[5:30] >> But I'd like to take Anjali's question
[5:32] to point out something, and that is
[5:36] having birth as a human being is a rare
[5:41] privilege.
[5:43] Just you know, we we take so much for
[5:45] granted.
[5:48] Just reflect for just a moment on how
[5:51] many blessings
[5:53] are present in your life. And how little
[5:57] you probably acknowledge
[6:01] those amazing blessings that we have. We
[6:03] take so much for granted, And that
[6:05] that's normal, but
[6:06] but one of the things that we we
[6:10] don't think about much is a fact that
[6:13] only as human beings do we really have a
[6:16] fully developed free will. It's doubtful
[6:20] that any other
[6:22] animal species that we know about has
[6:25] has I don't know has free will. If you
[6:27] ask me about what about alien beings?
[6:30] I've no idea. We don't even know if they
[6:32] exist. But one thing we know for sure is
[6:35] that we are endowed with free will,
[6:39] which is an exceptional There's nothing
[6:41] like it in the cosmos. Everything else
[6:44] that happens in the cosmos happens
[6:48] mechanically
[6:50] according to the laws of nature.
[6:53] Correct?
[6:55] Everything in the universe
[6:57] >> [snorts]
[6:58] >> happens mechanically according to the
[7:00] laws of nature,
[7:02] except
[7:04] you chose to come here for satsang. You
[7:06] choose to watch this satsang.
[7:09] That's not a mechanical act of nature.
[7:13] That's a rare and amazing feature
[7:18] of being a human being endowed
[7:22] with the power of free will. Now, to to
[7:26] briefly answer Angeli's question, um
[7:29] animals don't have free will, so animals
[7:31] can't in can't perform karma. Our
[7:35] definition of karma is an act that's
[7:38] done intentionally.
[7:39] Without intention, without a free will,
[7:42] you can't commit
[7:44] good karma or bad karma,
[7:47] which means when a lion is running
[7:49] through the forest and sees that nice
[7:52] that lamb and pun pun
[7:56] uh pounces on that defenseless little
[7:59] animal and rips it apart,
[8:02] is that animal performing an act of
[8:05] adharma?
[8:07] >> Some level, no.
[8:09] >> Not at some level, absolutely no.
[8:12] The animal is doing what it's programmed
[8:14] to do. The animal has no free will. It's
[8:18] acting naturally. In fact, for the
[8:20] animal not to eat the lamb, for the lion
[8:23] not to eat the lamb, would be unnatural.
[8:27] Huh.
[8:29] So,
[8:31] animals cannot
[8:33] cannot accumulate punya karma for the
[8:36] sake of a better birth, nor can animals
[8:39] acquire papa karma, which results in
[8:43] more problems in the next life. So,
[8:46] human birth is a rare birth. Okay. This
[8:51] question comes from Vidyasagar, who
[8:53] lives in Vancouver.
[8:56] Um in your you teach us that we are
[8:59] already what we seek. You are already
[9:02] Brahman. If we are already Brahman, why
[9:05] do we make it so hard to find ourselves
[9:09] with so many layers or koshas?
[9:12] Well,
[9:13] we don't make it difficult. It is
[9:16] difficult.
[9:17] And the fact is and we
[9:20] uh Vidyasagar makes reference to all
[9:21] these koshas, big technical topic.
[9:24] Basically,
[9:25] koshas represent everything you're
[9:27] identified with. You're identified with
[9:30] your body. You're identified with your
[9:32] mind, with your personality, with your
[9:34] family, with your work, with your roles
[9:37] in life. All of these various kinds of
[9:40] identification
[9:42] stand in the way
[9:45] of you recognizing your true nature
[9:48] as suchitananda atman.
[9:52] Did you create all of that?
[9:55] Vidyasagar says, you know, why do we
[9:57] make it so hard?
[9:59] Did you choose One day did you decide,
[10:01] oh, I'm going to be identified with my
[10:03] body?
[10:05] You didn't choose to do that. You didn't
[10:08] make it so. It is so. Why?
[10:13] We just got done talking about what is
[10:14] natural.
[10:17] And what is natural is to be born in a
[10:19] state of ignorance.
[10:21] Due to ignorance of your true nature as
[10:24] Satchidananda Atma, it's natural to be
[10:27] identified with your body, mind, and
[10:29] everything else. So, it's not that
[10:33] anyone or anything makes it difficult
[10:37] for us.
[10:38] It's that ignorance is natural.
[10:41] And this particular kind of ignorance
[10:45] is exceedingly difficult to come out of,
[10:49] to break that habitual identification
[10:52] with the body and mind, etc.
[10:54] It's not easy.
[10:57] Question from
[10:59] Lucas. I'll see what some of the
[11:00] questions here.
[11:02] Um
[11:04] Lucas lives in Brazil.
[11:06] Lucas asks, "In one of your previous
[11:08] satsangs, you said that evil is the
[11:11] abuse of free will."
[11:14] I'll just uh
[11:15] I'll just uh
[11:16] uh clarify that. What we generally call
[11:20] evil
[11:21] is the abuse of free will. From a Hindu
[11:24] standpoint, there's no such thing as
[11:27] evil. Evil is not a power.
[11:31] Evil is not an entity. Evil is not an
[11:35] existent thing.
[11:38] Free will is an existent thing.
[11:42] That free will is so powerful,
[11:44] it can be abused. And the abuse of free
[11:48] will is what we call evil. Just to
[11:52] clarify.
[11:53] So, my question is uh
[11:55] this question from Lucas. "How does the
[11:57] statement relate to prarabdha karma? For
[12:00] example, if a person suffers from
[12:02] violence, violence is which is the
[12:05] result of somebody else's abuse
[12:08] of free will. So, somebody abuses his or
[12:11] her free will and commits an act of
[12:15] violence against you.
[12:17] Was that an unethical Was that unethical
[12:20] act they endured due to the abuse of
[12:22] free will
[12:24] or was it due to your own product of the
[12:27] karma?
[12:29] Or
[12:31] could it be a combination of the both?
[12:34] And the simple answer is we have no
[12:36] idea.
[12:39] Every situation depends on the
[12:41] situation. First first and foremost, it
[12:44] depends on the situation. There are some
[12:47] situations which are obviously due
[12:51] to the abuse of free will. We've talked
[12:53] several times about the uh
[12:55] the terrorists who flew the uh jets into
[12:59] the World Trade Center
[13:01] years ago. An obvious abuse of free
[13:04] will. So, then we think the people who
[13:07] perished on on that uh awful day, was it
[13:10] due to their product of the karma? We
[13:12] have to say probably not.
[13:16] And we have to say probably because
[13:19] can you prove it one way or the other?
[13:21] So just to recognize the limits of our
[13:24] ability to understand how karma works.
[13:28] So, there are some situations which are
[13:30] obviously
[13:32] uh more obviously due to the abuse of
[13:34] free will. There's other situations
[13:37] which are obviously due to product of
[13:39] the karma.
[13:40] Um
[13:42] I think about a bad traffic accident.
[13:47] So, that person hm
[13:50] Let let's make this kind of interesting.
[13:53] Juicy, as they say.
[13:56] So, somebody is is on their phone
[13:59] driving.
[14:01] Dangerous, right?
[14:04] And smashes into your car and you get
[14:07] injured.
[14:09] Now,
[14:10] is it This is good good is very
[14:12] complicated in a very real situation. Is
[14:16] it that you are injured because of the
[14:19] other person's abuse of free will?
[14:22] They chose to use the telephone.
[14:24] Or is it your proud of the karma?
[14:29] And again, we don't know.
[14:32] But if we analyze it,
[14:35] when they're on the phone, definitely
[14:37] was an act of their free will.
[14:40] Are they on the phone with the intent of
[14:43] causing an accident in which you get
[14:46] injured?
[14:48] So there's no malicious intent involved.
[14:52] How different about those hijackers?
[14:55] I think there were 19 of them, if I
[14:57] remember right, who flew those planes.
[15:00] Absolutely malicious attempt intent.
[15:03] Intent is part of free will, isn't it?
[15:07] So those hijackers had a malicious
[15:09] intent. The person who's talking on the
[15:11] phone,
[15:13] not to justify it. It's not justified.
[15:15] They cause the accident, it's their
[15:17] fault.
[15:19] But there wasn't malicious intent
[15:22] involved.
[15:23] So in this situation, it makes it more
[15:26] possible
[15:29] that you were injured
[15:32] partially due to your proud of the
[15:34] karma,
[15:36] or even wholly due to your proud of the
[15:38] karma.
[15:39] We don't know.
[15:42] One thing we do know is you can't
[15:45] you can't say the person is on the phone
[15:47] because
[15:49] they had a malicious intent to run into
[15:52] your car and hurt you. That's absolutely
[15:55] untrue. So anyway, just to give some
[15:58] some depth to to this discussion and it
[16:01] shows how
[16:03] it shows two things. It shows the limits
[16:07] of our ability to analyze what is karma,
[16:11] but it shows the necessity to be more
[16:13] thoughtful and just say, "Oh, it's
[16:15] because of this." Or "Oh, it's because
[16:18] of that. It's more complicated than
[16:21] that.
[16:22] Okay.
[16:25] Let me see. There's There's a lot of
[16:28] questions here. So, I apologize and Oh
[16:31] my gosh, there are way too many
[16:33] questions here.
[16:35] So, let me apologize in advance.
[16:38] Um
[16:42] You know, I'm seeing quite a a number of
[16:44] questions about
[16:46] the doctrine of karma and and already in
[16:48] this satsang several questions have come
[16:50] up about the doctrine of karma.
[16:53] Can I suggest that the doctrine of
[16:56] karma, this will sound very interesting,
[16:59] surprising maybe.
[17:01] The doctrine of karma is not a spiritual
[17:03] topic.
[17:07] I mean that sincerely.
[17:10] Spiritual means with regard to your true
[17:13] self,
[17:14] right?
[17:15] In Sanskrit, the word spiritual is
[17:18] adhyatmika.
[17:20] With regard to atma, with regard to your
[17:22] true self.
[17:24] Is the doctrine of karma about your true
[17:26] self?
[17:30] It's not.
[17:31] It's about worldly
[17:34] activities, correct?
[17:36] So, and
[17:38] I understand
[17:40] the the need to
[17:43] resolve certain conflicts in life and
[17:46] ask these questions about karma, but I'm
[17:49] not going to take I'm going to maybe
[17:51] limit the number of questions about
[17:53] karma because
[17:55] really speaking,
[17:57] it doesn't directly contribute
[18:01] to your personal practice of
[18:05] atma vichara, self-inquiry.
[18:08] Correct?
[18:09] And that's our main
[18:12] practice in Advaita Vedanta is atma
[18:15] vichara.
[18:17] We can certainly talk about doctrine of
[18:19] karma where there are obstacles to your
[18:23] self-inquiry. That's a good time to talk
[18:26] about it. But what's not a good time
[18:30] is you're curious. Is it like this or is
[18:33] it like that?
[18:35] That kind of curiosity about the
[18:37] doctrine of karma is not particularly
[18:40] helpful
[18:42] in your spiritual path. Okay.
[18:46] Um this question comes from
[18:50] someone who says I have and I'll leave
[18:52] the name off.
[18:54] Uh um I have OCD.
[18:57] Obsessive-compulsive
[18:59] disorder and a lifelong mental illness
[19:02] where my mind is tormented
[19:04] with obsessive thoughts and emotions
[19:07] that urge me to act compulsively.
[19:11] Do you have any words of compassion?
[19:14] And that's what it comes down to is
[19:17] words of compassion.
[19:19] Our hearts and minds go out to everyone
[19:23] who suffers from mental illness.
[19:26] Um
[19:30] I wish there was something more that I
[19:33] as an individual or we as followers of
[19:36] Advaita Vedanta could do.
[19:38] But
[19:40] mental illness
[19:42] is illness. Physical illness requires
[19:45] treatment from professionals. Mental
[19:48] illness requires treatment from
[19:50] professionals. I sure hope that this
[19:52] individual is receiving proper
[19:55] treatment. And yes, we know that
[19:58] treatments aren't always that effective.
[20:01] There's many physical ailments
[20:04] that can't be completely treated.
[20:08] And we do the best we can. The doctors
[20:09] do the best they can. And that's perhaps
[20:11] even more true of mental illnesses
[20:15] that the treatment modalities, both the
[20:18] medications and the talking therapies,
[20:21] both of them are limited
[20:24] in what they can accomplish.
[20:26] On the other hand,
[20:28] something is better than nothing.
[20:31] So, if you have some physical problem
[20:33] and a treatment only helps halfway,
[20:37] halfway better than what you had before.
[20:40] In the same way, if if someone complains
[20:42] that these medications aren't completely
[20:45] removing my my psychiatric symptoms,
[20:49] it might still be helping.
[20:52] To expect a medication to completely
[20:56] remove psych- psychiatric symptoms is an
[21:00] unreasonable expectation. Doesn't mean
[21:03] you shouldn't take the meds.
[21:05] Means means that we have to have more
[21:08] realistic expectations
[21:11] for the meds. And same for talking
[21:12] therapy. Talking any kind of talking
[21:14] therapy, especially
[21:17] for OCD, I think behavioral
[21:20] therapy is kind of the go-to therapy. It
[21:23] doesn't It's not a There's no magic
[21:26] bullet, sadly.
[21:28] With regard to therapies, whether
[21:30] whether talking therapies or
[21:33] medical therapies, but those therapies
[21:36] can help some.
[21:39] Words of compassion is all as as much as
[21:42] we can give. If you have mental illness,
[21:47] seek professional
[21:49] help.
[21:50] Okay.
[21:52] Um what else do we have here? Then we'll
[21:54] take some questions. Here.
[22:03] This question from
[22:05] Suhag, a 17-year-old who lives in India.
[22:09] Nice that a 17-year-old in India is
[22:12] watching the satsang. I'm impressed.
[22:14] Good.
[22:16] >> [laughter]
[22:17] >> Um how can I improve myself because I am
[22:20] unable to focus on my studies, which is
[22:23] my dharma?
[22:25] I want to push to my limits, like 14
[22:28] hours a day,
[22:30] and meditate daily.
[22:34] You're on the right track.
[22:36] To recognize
[22:38] to recognize
[22:40] >> [snorts]
[22:41] >> a problem
[22:42] is so crucial.
[22:45] Suhaq says, "I want to improve myself. I
[22:49] know I'm unable to focus on my studies."
[22:53] That recognition itself
[22:57] will put you on the right track.
[23:00] I'm smiling. I'm remembering myself when
[23:03] I was 17.
[23:05] >> [laughter]
[23:08] >> Suhaq is doing a lot better than I was
[23:11] >> [laughter]
[23:13] >> at the age of 17.
[23:15] When I was 17, I wasn't trying to
[23:18] improve myself.
[23:21] I was trying to have fun.
[23:25] And in retrospect, what a shame.
[23:28] Yeah, several years of my life were
[23:30] wasted
[23:32] because of my poor attitude in those
[23:35] days.
[23:37] So, I think we all congratulate Suhaq
[23:41] on on the intention to improve oneself.
[23:46] 14 hours a day might not be a reasonable
[23:50] expectation, but as much as you can, and
[23:53] meditating daily will help.
[23:58] Yeah, but not
[23:59] Set that 14 hours a day aside.
[24:02] 15 minutes a day of meditation can help
[24:07] a lot.
[24:08] Uh
[24:10] When we're young, there are so many
[24:12] changes going on in our lives and in our
[24:16] bodies, and it causes lots of uh
[24:19] lots of chaos, and meditation can help
[24:23] you navigate that chaos. So, continue
[24:26] your studies, do the best you can, but
[24:29] honestly, the very fact that that you
[24:32] recognize
[24:34] >> [snorts]
[24:34] >> that you're distracted and you want to
[24:37] improve yourself, that's 90% of the
[24:40] solution.
[24:41] Is recognizing the problem, especially
[24:44] for a for a young person. Excellent.
[24:47] Uh this question comes from
[24:52] Yeah, can I just remind you if you're
[24:54] put if you're leaving questions, it's
[24:56] nice if you give your name and location.
[24:59] And also uh
[25:01] only questions.
[25:03] Uh
[25:03] it's hard for me to read through all
[25:05] these, so no comments. That's why uh we
[25:08] have a no comment rule on our on our
[25:12] chat.
[25:14] Uh question, must you be a strict
[25:16] vegetarian to practice ahimsa?
[25:22] A strict vegetarian is not
[25:25] Look at this. Is a strict vegetarian
[25:29] perfect in his or her practice of
[25:32] ahimsa?
[25:34] Every day, they're killing so many
[25:37] plants.
[25:39] >> [laughter]
[25:40] >> And plants are living things.
[25:43] So, being strict vegetarian
[25:47] is not the point. Causing the least harm
[25:52] is the point.
[25:54] I've joked with you many times.
[25:57] Being Being Hindu
[26:01] and being vegeta- being vegetarian as a
[26:04] Hindu or as a follower of of Vedanta,
[26:07] it's not a diet plan. It has nothing to
[26:11] do with diet and has everything to do
[26:14] with minimizing
[26:16] the amount of harm we cause in life. All
[26:20] right.
[26:24] Is it better to reject non-vegetarian
[26:27] food and upset the person who prepared
[26:30] it.
[26:33] Or is it better to accept the food
[26:35] graciously knowing that a living thing
[26:37] has already died?
[26:40] >> [laughter]
[26:43] >> Ooh, I I don't think I could do that.
[26:48] Somebody says, "Go ahead, it's already
[26:51] dead."
[26:53] >> [laughter]
[26:54] >> Go ahead and eat it. And
[26:57] that doesn't work for me anyway.
[26:59] No, no, no. I think it's reasonable to
[27:01] expect people to
[27:05] understand your decisions, your choice
[27:09] in life. If you're vegetarian
[27:11] and somebody
[27:13] serves you non-veg food,
[27:16] that person Come on, no one's really
[27:18] going to have their feelings hurt
[27:21] nowadays. "Oh, they rejected my non-veg
[27:24] food." I don't think people will really
[27:27] be offended. So,
[27:29] no no problem there.
[27:31] Okay. Um
[27:38] "Could you kindly illuminate the gap in
[27:41] my practice or understanding?
[27:44] Is Is recogni- Is the recognition
[27:47] through sustained self-inquiry?
[27:51] Yes.
[27:52] Sustained
[27:54] self-inquiry,
[27:55] Atma Vichara.
[27:58] But interesting choice of words,
[28:00] sustained.
[28:02] So, what does it mean to be sustained?
[28:05] It means you need
[28:09] to be prompted
[28:11] to do self-inquiry.
[28:13] When you're busily engaged in your daily
[28:17] activities,
[28:19] you're not going to be performing
[28:21] self-inquiry. You're going to be dealing
[28:24] with your chores, answering the phone,
[28:26] answering emails, whatever it is,
[28:28] whatever are your duties, you'll be
[28:30] engaged in those duties. So, what helps
[28:34] you sustain the practice of
[28:37] self-inquiry?
[28:39] Well, attending the satsang helps you.
[28:44] Meditating every day helps you.
[28:48] Doing some spiritual study every day
[28:51] helps you.
[28:53] So, engage in activities
[28:57] that prompt you
[29:00] to perform self-inquiry
[29:03] is exceedingly helpful. Okay.
[29:06] Uh do we have questions from anyone
[29:08] here? Good. You'll need the
[29:11] microphone.
[29:17] And
[29:21] Yes, please.
[29:23] >> Uh Swamiji
[29:24] Um I want to understand uh the
[29:27] difference between
[29:28] uh jivanmukta and videhamukta.
[29:32] >> Okay.
[29:33] >> help me.
[29:33] >> You're good.
[29:35] I like questions that are very concise.
[29:38] I like that.
[29:41] And and
[29:42] the difference between jivanmukta and
[29:45] jivanmukti, the state, and videhamukti,
[29:50] the state. States of liberation. Mukti
[29:53] is liberation.
[29:55] So, videhamukti is a state of being
[29:58] liberated
[30:00] Sorry to be crude. When you're dead.
[30:03] >> [laughter]
[30:07] >> How How does that help you now?
[30:13] If videhamukti
[30:15] is a state of being liberated when
[30:17] you're dead,
[30:19] first of all, being liberated when
[30:20] you're dead means you're non-separate
[30:23] from Brahman
[30:24] and you're not going to be reborn again.
[30:28] Liberated while dead. How does that help
[30:30] you right now?
[30:33] Not at all.
[30:35] I'd like to point out
[30:37] that many
[30:40] schools of thought
[30:45] Hindu schools of thought
[30:47] have Videha Mukti as their ultimate
[30:50] goal.
[30:55] So, there are so many people who are
[30:58] engaged in doing specific rituals
[31:02] or following certain spiritual
[31:05] traditions
[31:06] because they were told if you do these
[31:10] rituals, if you do these practices, if
[31:13] you follow these teachings
[31:15] you will be freed from rebirth
[31:19] and you will gain Videha Mukti.
[31:25] And it doesn't help you now.
[31:31] That's missing something
[31:33] crucial.
[31:34] We need help now.
[31:39] The main focus of Advaita Vedanta
[31:43] is Jivan Mukti.
[31:47] Enlightenment
[31:48] now.
[31:51] Free liberation
[31:53] now, meaning freedom from suffering now.
[31:59] And surprisingly
[32:02] Advaita Vedanta can actually deliver on
[32:06] that promise.
[32:08] Whether or not Videha Mukti even exists,
[32:12] we have no way of confirming.
[32:16] How do you know if you get reborn?
[32:18] How do you know if you don't get reborn?
[32:21] Well, how can we even begin to to
[32:24] inquire into that? We have no idea.
[32:28] It's purely a matter of faith.
[32:31] Unverifiable
[32:33] belief.
[32:35] But
[32:36] so Videha Mukti
[32:39] is an unverifiable
[32:42] belief.
[32:44] And I would
[32:45] take a step further and say, to make an
[32:49] unverifiable
[32:51] belief
[32:53] the focal point of your spiritual life
[32:58] is misplaced effort.
[33:02] So, our focus in Advaita Vedanta is not
[33:06] on a verify unverifiable belief. It is
[33:10] on freedom from suffering, which you can
[33:14] verify in your own experience.
[33:19] And you can.
[33:20] If you have been
[33:22] very deeply engaged with these teachings
[33:26] for a period of time,
[33:29] chances are
[33:31] you can actually
[33:33] say, "I suffer less today
[33:38] than I used to."
[33:39] If these teachings have really gone in,
[33:43] you can probably recognize that you have
[33:46] already
[33:47] been blessed by these teachings. So, it
[33:51] is a verifiable
[33:53] truth, fact, that these teachings can
[33:57] free you from suffering, and there is
[34:00] indeed such a thing as complete freedom
[34:05] from suffering, which is Jivan Mukti.
[34:09] Jivan Mukti, complete freedom from
[34:11] suffering,
[34:12] accessible here in this lifetime. Okay.
[34:16] Few more questions here.
[34:18] >> Sorry, one.
[34:20] >> Yeah, you'll need the microphone. You'll
[34:22] need the microphone.
[34:30] Yes, please.
[34:31] >> The The question
[34:33] that was asked recently,
[34:35] was that like a confusion with Janaka
[34:38] Videhi?
[34:39] >> What question you said asked recently?
[34:42] >> Mukti. Yes.
[34:44] >> Uh
[34:46] Okay.
[34:47] Yes.
[34:51] That's not similar to what we have heard
[34:54] about Janak Videhi where he
[34:57] went above the feeling of
[35:00] the body. Janak Videhi
[35:05] Janaka was enlightened.
[35:07] Which which means which means he didn't
[35:10] suffer.
[35:12] Right?
[35:13] The this term
[35:16] Videhi
[35:20] I'm not sure what it means in the
[35:22] Ramayana
[35:24] to call Janaka a Videhi.
[35:27] He was a Viragya Viragi.
[35:31] Videhi means without a body.
[35:33] Janaka Janaka had Janaka had a body.
[35:39] He was enlightened which means he was
[35:41] free from suffering.
[35:43] Which means when he was informed that
[35:45] his palace was burning down
[35:48] he didn't get sad.
[35:52] He didn't suffer.
[35:54] So, Videhi means without a body.
[35:58] Janaka had a body.
[36:01] But he wasn't identified.
[36:04] Not attached attached is the wrong word
[36:05] here.
[36:06] Attached we're going beyond detachment.
[36:14] To be attached means what?
[36:17] To be attached means to have your sense
[36:21] of well-being dependent
[36:24] on some external factor.
[36:27] To be attached on a loved to be attached
[36:30] to a loved one
[36:32] means your sense of well-being depends
[36:36] on that loved one.
[36:38] To be attached to your body
[36:40] means your sense of well-being depends
[36:44] on the condition of your body.
[36:48] But Advaita Vedanta goes well beyond
[36:52] that.
[36:54] Because I can be detached from my body,
[36:58] but it's still me.
[37:04] I can be detached In fact, it's pretty
[37:06] easy to be detached from your body
[37:09] when you're young and healthy.
[37:12] >> [laughter]
[37:13] >> That is, your sense of well-being
[37:15] doesn't depend on your your body is
[37:17] doing fine, no problem.
[37:19] >> [laughter]
[37:22] >> So that
[37:23] So therefore, there's no conscious
[37:25] There's no you know, you're not worrying
[37:27] about your body. Actually, young people
[37:30] do, I know that. Anyway,
[37:32] what I do mean to say is there is in
[37:35] Advaita Vedanta, our goal is not merely
[37:39] to be to lose attachment to one's body,
[37:43] but to lose identification
[37:47] with the body.
[37:50] So Janaka, being enlightened,
[37:53] was not identified
[37:56] with his body. The term Videhi doesn't
[37:59] make sense in that context. Videhi
[38:02] literally means bodyless.
[38:05] And he had He had a He had a body. Okay.
[38:10] You'll need the microphone.
[38:12] You'll need the microphone.
[38:15] So, let me take another question, and
[38:18] then we'll take your question.
[38:20] This question comes from
[38:24] J in New York.
[38:27] Is it wrong to say that conscious This
[38:30] is interesting.
[38:31] Is it wrong to say that consciousness is
[38:35] one?
[38:37] Since consciousness is not an object.
[38:42] L-
[38:43] Think twice.
[38:47] So if consciousness is one
[38:52] and that is two.
[38:56] Consciousness is one.
[38:59] My body is two.
[39:01] Consciousness is one.
[39:04] My thoughts
[39:06] are
[39:07] two, three, four, five
[39:10] >> [laughter]
[39:10] >> to infinity.
[39:13] My thoughts are many.
[39:15] So, in fact
[39:18] we we
[39:19] in teaching
[39:21] we often make the statement,
[39:22] consciousness is one.
[39:25] But, the ultimate truth
[39:27] is not one. In fact, we call this a
[39:31] dvaita vedanta.
[39:34] Advaita means not two.
[39:38] We don't call this
[39:40] eka vedanta
[39:42] or ikea vedanta. How's that? That sounds
[39:45] better. Ikea vedanta. No such thing.
[39:50] Advaita.
[39:52] And that's because in because if if you
[39:56] consider reality to be one
[40:01] one is followed by two.
[40:05] Therefore, the Upanishads says ekam eva
[40:09] advitiyam.
[40:12] The truth is ekam eva is one alone, but
[40:17] one that is advitiyam, not followed by
[40:21] something else.
[40:23] So, we start off by saying there's one
[40:25] consciousness. That's
[40:29] You you've you've probably heard me say
[40:31] that that these teachings of vedanta
[40:34] lead you through stages of understanding
[40:36] like stepping stones to cross a river.
[40:40] So, one that consciousness is one
[40:44] is one of those many stepping stones.
[40:48] The next stepping stone
[40:50] is means you have to give up the idea
[40:52] that consciousness is one
[40:55] and you have to take the next step,
[40:57] which is not one consciousness, but only
[41:03] consciousness.
[41:05] We started off with one consciousness,
[41:07] >> [snorts]
[41:08] >> but we go further.
[41:10] Only consciousness. So, so J asks, is it
[41:15] wrong to say consciousness is one? No,
[41:17] it's not wrong. But it's not the
[41:19] ultimate
[41:20] teaching. It's a helpful teaching that
[41:23] comes
[41:25] en route to the ultimate teaching.
[41:27] Okay. Uh
[41:30] What am I doing here? This one. Yes.
[41:34] Your question, please.
[41:35] >> Swamiji, um my Christian friend wants to
[41:37] know from you what is Ishvara
[41:41] and the need for Ishvara if he is
[41:42] already Brahman.
[41:47] >> Uh what is Ishvara? Ishvara is creator,
[41:50] sustainer, destroyer.
[41:53] We exist because of Ishvara.
[41:56] Second part of the question didn't
[41:58] really make sense.
[42:00] >> [snorts]
[42:00] >> Say it again.
[42:03] On the microphone, please.
[42:06] >> He says he understands he's Brahman, but
[42:09] he doesn't get it. He loses it when
[42:13] anyone talks about Ishvara.
[42:14] >> Then he doesn't understand he's Brahman.
[42:18] It doesn't make sense.
[42:22] Can you help me understand better?
[42:26] >> I think he wants to know the distinction
[42:28] between Ishvara Brahman
[42:29] >> Okay.
[42:30] >> and
[42:31] >> between Ishvara and Brahman. Brahman is
[42:34] the non-dual reality because of which
[42:37] Ishvara exists as creator, sustainer,
[42:40] destroyer.
[42:42] That's the answer.
[42:43] Ishvara is the underlying non-dual
[42:46] reality
[42:48] because of which Ishvara exists as
[42:51] creator, sustainer, and destroyer. Okay?
[42:57] You're You're unclear. What
[42:59] >> No, I don't understand that.
[43:01] >> Ishvara exists, right?
[43:06] How?
[43:08] Where How How is it that Ishvara exists?
[43:12] >> Because of Brahman.
[43:14] >> You just answered your question.
[43:16] >> But we exist because of Brahman. Maya
[43:18] exists because of Brahman.
[43:19] >> Everything exists because of Brahman,
[43:21] right?
[43:23] So, and
[43:26] Right?
[43:26] >> We are Brahman.
[43:27] So, what's the need for Ishvara?
[43:29] >> Oh, because friends uh okay, that we've
[43:33] Now we got the question. Sorry, I didn't
[43:35] understand your question.
[43:36] Problem is mine. I didn't understand the
[43:39] question.
[43:40] If everything is Brahman, what is the
[43:43] need for Ishvara?
[43:45] If everything is Brahman, how can we
[43:47] explain that you're asking me this
[43:49] question?
[43:53] Everything is Brahman is a standpoint
[43:55] which is so lofty that we can't relate
[43:58] to it. It doesn't answer any of our
[44:00] questions.
[44:02] Suppose you you say, "Swami ji, I'm
[44:04] suffering."
[44:05] And my answer is, "Oh, everything is
[44:07] Brahman." How does that help you?
[44:11] "Swami ji, I'm sad."
[44:13] Everything sadness is Brahman.
[44:15] >> [laughter]
[44:19] >> I tell you Hey, that that's that's
[44:22] that's
[44:24] Everything is Brahman.
[44:27] You get my point. So, the way these
[44:29] teachings work
[44:32] is to lead you.
[44:36] But let me put it like this. Everything
[44:38] is Brahman is a philosophical statement.
[44:42] And a philosophical statement is not
[44:44] going to free you from suffering.
[44:47] On the other hand,
[44:49] following these teachings methodically,
[44:53] supported
[44:55] by your practice of prayer and
[44:56] meditation.
[44:58] That's where Ishvara comes in again.
[45:01] So, following these teachings
[45:03] methodically, supported by your personal
[45:06] practice of prayer and meditation can
[45:09] lead you out of suffering.
[45:12] Philosophical debates about
[45:15] if everything is Brahman, why is there
[45:18] Ishvara?
[45:20] Philosophical inquiries like that will
[45:22] not free you from suffering. This is not
[45:25] a philosophical pursuit. It is freedom
[45:28] from suffering. Does Does that answer
[45:31] the questions? Oh, okay.
[45:34] Thank you.
[45:35] >> [laughter]
[45:37] >> All right, couple more questions.
[45:40] Um
[45:42] Oh, this question uh
[45:44] Let's see here.
[45:49] Uh
[45:49] >> [groaning]
[45:55] >> Uh this question comes from Abhishek who
[45:58] lives in uh
[46:00] Canada in Vancouver. Again, we're
[46:02] getting a lot of There were some things
[46:04] going on in Vancouver.
[46:05] >> [laughter]
[46:06] >> I don't know what.
[46:07] Must be one of those very spiritual
[46:10] places. I thought Rishikesh was such a
[46:12] spiritual place.
[46:13] Now, I'm starting to revise my idea of
[46:16] Vancouver. We also get a lot of a lot of
[46:18] questions from Bangalore.
[46:20] So, must be something unique going on in
[46:23] Vancouver and Bangalore. Anyway,
[46:26] Abhishek asks,
[46:28] >> [clears throat]
[46:28] >> um with regular meditation, my capacity
[46:32] By the way, we'll let this be our last
[46:34] question for today. I just uh
[46:37] Yeah, we'll let this be the last
[46:39] question for today.
[46:41] >> [snorts]
[46:41] >> With regular meditation, my capacity to
[46:44] observe my thoughts has sharpened.
[46:48] Good.
[46:49] I often feel like a detached witness
[46:53] >> [snorts]
[46:53] >> much as a waterproof substance in in
[46:58] water.
[46:59] The The
[47:00] The The metaphor that actually
[47:02] waterproof substance and water, the
[47:04] traditional metaphor which Abhishek
[47:07] probably is referring to here is a lotus
[47:10] leaf.
[47:11] A lotus leaf that has that waxy
[47:13] covering. So, if you drop water on it,
[47:16] the water just forms a bead and
[47:19] rolls off. In fact, Sri Krishna himself
[47:22] gives that metaphor in the Bhagavad
[47:24] Gita. Lovely metaphor. And Abhishek said
[47:27] he's he has that perspective. By the
[47:29] way, I hope that perspective is is a
[47:31] perspective in meditation.
[47:34] Being a detached witness is a practice
[47:38] meant for meditation. Being a detached
[47:41] witness, Abhishek isn't suggesting this,
[47:43] but we've had this discussion before.
[47:46] Some people wrongly assume that
[47:49] the a goal of spiritual life is to be a
[47:53] detached witness all the time.
[48:00] Including
[48:01] when your best friend tells you that my
[48:05] father just died.
[48:07] You have to be a detached witness.
[48:10] So, when your best friend says my father
[48:12] just died, you remain as a detached
[48:15] witness. Oh, is that so?
[48:20] You get my point? Okay.
[48:23] We need We need not go further. Being a
[48:25] detached witness is a practice for
[48:28] meditation.
[48:30] Then
[48:31] Abhishek [clears throat] continues. Yet
[48:35] I find myself reflecting on the nature
[48:37] of this observation itself. Excellent.
[48:43] That's Atma Vichara, right?
[48:46] I am the In meditation, I am the
[48:49] detached observer
[48:53] of whatever is happening in my mind.
[48:57] And Abhishek says I
[49:00] [snorts] on the nature of this
[49:01] observation itself.
[49:05] That's Atma Vichara.
[49:08] What does it mean?
[49:10] How is it that I can know my thoughts?
[49:14] What's going on here?
[49:16] What
[49:18] in that experience
[49:21] of observing your thoughts, by the way,
[49:24] observing your thoughts is an experience
[49:26] or not?
[49:28] Yeah.
[49:30] Call it it's an experience.
[49:32] So, in that experience of observing your
[49:35] thoughts, exactly what is going on?
[49:39] How do you know your thoughts?
[49:43] Why [clears throat] is it that your
[49:44] thoughts are not unknown?
[49:48] That's Atma Vichara.
[49:51] Um he says, "Since this process of
[49:53] watching
[49:54] is also a movement in the mind, that's
[49:58] an experience,
[50:00] is there a primary or super thought
[50:03] produced by the mind that oversees all
[50:07] other thoughts?" It's a good question
[50:10] coming from
[50:13] this analysis inquiry. Analysis is a
[50:16] wrong word. Analysis means conceptual.
[50:19] This is an inquiry. What's going on here
[50:24] in meditation? What's happening? I'm
[50:26] observing my thoughts.
[50:29] Okay.
[50:31] What's happening?
[50:33] How is it that I'm observing my thoughts
[50:36] leading Abhishek to the question, "Is
[50:38] there a
[50:38] Is that experience the result of a super
[50:44] thought, what he calls, that oversees
[50:48] all other thoughts?"
[50:51] That's not your ex- By the way, is that
[50:53] your experience?
[50:56] I'm experiencing a super thought that's
[51:00] observing the thought of watching
[51:04] thoughts.
[51:05] >> [laughter]
[51:08] >> That's
[51:09] not an accurate representation of your
[51:12] experience.
[51:14] So,
[51:16] let let Many people though have this
[51:18] doubt. Is there like another kind of
[51:22] thought that's somehow more fundamental
[51:27] that's present as I observe my thought?
[51:30] There is.
[51:32] But it's not what you think it is.
[51:34] >> [snorts]
[51:36] >> So, let's examine this. And as I said,
[51:39] last question for today.
[51:43] When you observe your thoughts,
[51:47] first of all,
[51:49] the obs- Is the observer a thought?
[51:54] When you say, "I observe my thoughts."
[51:57] >> [snorts]
[51:58] >> Is the observer a thought?
[52:01] >> Yes.
[52:02] >> That means I am a thought?
[52:04] You can't say I am a thought.
[52:07] A thought doesn't observe a thought. A
[52:09] conscious being observe thoughts.
[52:12] >> [snorts]
[52:12] >> I am a conscious being
[52:15] who's observing
[52:17] this thought.
[52:19] That I cannot be a thought.
[52:22] You are not a thought. You are a
[52:25] conscious being.
[52:26] So, in meditation, when you are when you
[52:29] have the experience, "I observe my
[52:33] thoughts." That I is not a thought. That
[52:39] I is you, a conscious being. That I is
[52:44] you, consciousness.
[52:47] But
[52:50] along with consciousness,
[52:52] something else is present.
[52:56] It's not just consciousness.
[52:59] Because if it was just consciousness,
[53:03] you wouldn't feel like, I am watching my
[53:07] thoughts.
[53:10] When you have that feeling
[53:12] I am watching.
[53:15] It's a feeling of I ness.
[53:19] The feeling of being an individual
[53:22] being.
[53:24] The feeling of being a blob of
[53:27] consciousness, a
[53:29] an individual
[53:31] consciousness.
[53:33] That feeling of individuality we've
[53:35] talked about several times before. We
[53:38] call it in Sanskrit ahankara.
[53:41] Ahankara
[53:43] is a specific
[53:45] mental event
[53:48] that gives rise to the feeling of
[53:52] individuality.
[53:56] This is subtle.
[53:58] When you observe your thoughts
[54:02] that feeling of individuality
[54:05] is present
[54:07] in addition
[54:09] to the thoughts you're observing.
[54:12] Which means there are now three things
[54:15] going on.
[54:17] There's a thought being known.
[54:20] There's you, the conscious observer.
[54:24] And
[54:26] there's this other thought.
[54:29] Not exactly a thought. I've called it a
[54:31] feeling.
[54:33] Ahankara, I keep I've used that term
[54:36] very deliberately. If you call ahankara
[54:39] a thought, doesn't make sense because
[54:42] it's not like other thoughts.
[54:44] >> [snorts]
[54:45] >> On the other hand
[54:46] it is most certainly a feeling. By the
[54:49] way, feelings and thoughts are
[54:50] identical.
[54:52] Can you tell the difference between a
[54:54] thought and a feeling of sadness?
[54:57] They're different.
[54:58] Feelings are different than thoughts.
[55:01] Thoughts are conceptual.
[55:04] Feelings are and
[55:06] conceptual. You feel them.
[55:11] Ahankara is not conceptual.
[55:14] It's not a conceptual thought.
[55:16] Ahankara is a feeling.
[55:19] But it's a feeling very different than
[55:21] happiness and sadness.
[55:23] It's a feeling like
[55:25] I am me.
[55:27] I feel like me.
[55:30] I feel like an individual conscious
[55:34] being. You with me now? It's subtle.
[55:38] So now look at that experience in
[55:40] meditation.
[55:42] I am watching my thoughts.
[55:45] Thought is known. Thought is a mental
[55:48] object known to you.
[55:51] You are present as a conscious observer.
[55:54] Atma.
[55:56] But something else is present.
[56:00] That feeling of individuality.
[56:05] And that feeling of individuality is in
[56:08] your mind along with the thought you're
[56:10] watching.
[56:12] Which is why
[56:15] when you observe your thought,
[56:18] this is subtle. Try this.
[56:22] When you observe your thought,
[56:27] are you not simultaneously aware
[56:31] that you feel like an individual person?
[56:37] Right?
[56:39] When you observe a thought,
[56:43] in that experience,
[56:46] you not only observe the thought,
[56:49] but you also
[56:52] feel like an individual person. So two
[56:56] things are going on.
[56:57] One is observation of the thought,
[57:00] and the other is the feeling of
[57:02] individuality.
[57:06] So this feeling of individuality,
[57:09] ahankara,
[57:11] is
[57:13] kind of what Abhishek is hinting at
[57:15] here. He calls it a super thought that's
[57:18] not a helpful expression.
[57:21] What I would instead of calling it a
[57:22] super thought, I would say that the
[57:25] ahankara as a feeling of individuality
[57:30] is a mental activity
[57:34] that pervades
[57:36] all other mental activities.
[57:41] It's simultaneously
[57:43] present. I mean, actually I have to
[57:45] withdraw that word, all.
[57:48] This feeling of individuality
[57:51] is a mental activity that's
[57:54] usually present whenever you're awake.
[57:58] I have to say usually present because it
[58:00] can go away.
[58:02] But
[58:02] it goes away in a state of absorption,
[58:05] goes away in samadhi, for example. But
[58:08] generally, when you're awake, that
[58:11] feeling of individuality is present
[58:16] all the time. It's present right now.
[58:21] You You experience yourself as an
[58:23] individual.
[58:24] And at the same time you're listening to
[58:26] me.
[58:27] So, we've got two things going on.
[58:30] You're seeing more than two. You're
[58:32] seeing me.
[58:34] You're hearing me.
[58:35] You're thinking about what I'm saying.
[58:39] And you might even be thinking
[58:41] when is this satsang coming to an end?
[58:43] >> [laughter]
[58:47] >> So, all of these different mental
[58:49] activities are going on.
[58:52] Simultaneously,
[58:55] you feel like an individual person.
[59:00] All of this is simultaneously present in
[59:04] this experience.
[59:08] It's present in this experience and even
[59:11] in meditation. In most kinds of
[59:14] meditation,
[59:16] that ahankara can also be present.
[59:18] Whenever you feel like I am meditating,
[59:24] that ahankara is present.
[59:27] In some kinds of meditation, however,
[59:30] that feeling that I am meditating goes
[59:34] away.
[59:36] In certain forms of meditation, but not
[59:40] when you're observing your thoughts.
[59:42] >> [snorts]
[59:43] >> When you're observing your thoughts,
[59:46] I am meditating, I am observing my
[59:50] thoughts. Ahankara is present. So, this
[59:54] is a very What we've just done
[59:57] is actually a very profound analysis
[1:00:00] of
[1:00:02] how the ahankara
[1:00:05] is simultaneously
[1:00:07] present in your mind
[1:00:11] in most ordinary experiences.
[1:00:15] I say most because we have to ex-
[1:00:17] certain meditative states of absorption
[1:00:20] are left out, but ordinary
[1:00:23] experiences take place in the presence
[1:00:27] of that feeling of individuality,
[1:00:30] which is a mental occurrence that comes
[1:00:34] and goes, and
[1:00:36] to
[1:00:37] understand Let Let me wrap this up here
[1:00:39] by bringing us back to Atma Vichara.
[1:00:43] To recognize
[1:00:45] what is that feeling of individuality,
[1:00:49] and the fact that it comes and goes
[1:00:52] is such an important recognition
[1:00:56] in this process of self-inquiry, which
[1:00:59] is what Abhishek is talking about here.
[1:01:01] So, absolutely on on the right track.
[1:01:04] The track The track being Atma Vichara,
[1:01:08] and with that, we'll conclude our
[1:01:10] satsang today with the prayer.
[1:01:15] Om
[1:01:58] >> See you next time.