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[0:00] Yeah,
[0:03] now that we've reacquainted ourselves
[0:05] and shared our joy and being together,
[0:08] thank you very much for all your warm
[0:10] welcomes back and it's genuinely very
[0:12] joyful to see everyone here. Um
[0:16] perhaps we can just settle ourselves and
[0:19] do a little bit of meditation. I can see
[0:21] a couple of you are driving. So please
[0:23] don't do any meditation with your eyes
[0:25] closed. Please keep your eyes open and
[0:29] maybe you can just see if you can pick
[0:31] up on the theme of this a little bit. So
[0:35] I wanted to talk today quite a lot about
[0:37] gratitude
[0:39] which is something that I've been
[0:41] feeling throughout my retreat through
[0:43] different means through different uh
[0:46] portals [gasps]
[0:48] uh some unexpected and some the usual
[0:51] way. Uh so I thought we could start off
[0:54] with a little guided meditation maybe to
[0:57] just uh bring up feelings of gratitude
[1:00] towards one another perhaps towards our
[1:03] bodies. Always a good place to start and
[1:07] even towards our poor old minds that we
[1:10] tend to push around and criticize and
[1:13] stigmatize and wish we're different.
[1:17] But there's so much that's right with
[1:18] our mind as well. So let's just settle
[1:22] ourselves and
[1:26] give oursel the gift
[1:28] of a few minutes of peace.
[1:36] So even though
[1:40] it will be a fairly short meditation,
[1:45] still please take time
[1:48] to allow your body to settle down and
[1:51] find
[1:52] the greatest comfort and ease you can
[1:54] find at this time,
[1:59] which is a way of expressing care
[2:01] towards your body.
[2:07] I'm expressing a sense of respect.
[2:29] And if you do have your eyes closed,
[2:34] you might find that helps you to contact
[2:38] the feelings in your body more easily.
[2:42] You can also do this with your eyes
[2:44] open, of course, your hands on the
[2:46] steering wheel, feet on the pedals.
[2:49] Don't take them off. [laughter]
[2:57] And just notice how you feel right now.
[3:08] If you are
[3:10] reasonably comfortable temperature-
[3:13] wise, just
[3:17] feeling grateful for that.
[3:24] The fact that you have clothing,
[3:27] shelter,
[3:31] a heated or maybe an unheated home.
[3:48] Space to sit quietly for a few minutes.
[4:12] an opportunity to be with spiritual
[4:14] friends.
[4:17] Even if you don't live close together,
[4:19] but still we can gather here
[4:22] so easily on Zoom.
[4:29] How incredible that we have access to
[4:31] the dhamma
[4:35] with as few
[4:39] difficulties obstructions as possible.
[4:58] And for me, I feel tremendous gratitude
[5:01] and joy to know there are so many people
[5:06] who've made the time to be together
[5:09] right now and support one another in our
[5:12] practice
[5:15] as well as welcome me back.
[5:25] So grateful to all the people and
[5:27] conditions that have given us these
[5:29] opportunities to practice.
[5:40] People who've inspired us to practice.
[5:48] scholars who've translated the teachings
[5:50] of the Buddha
[5:56] and the teachers who've
[5:59] sincerely deepened their practice
[6:06] and have the willingness and capacity to
[6:09] share their understanding.
[6:25] Just noticing
[6:30] any feelings of
[6:33] gratitude or joy arise
[6:37] in the body.
[6:40] How does it feel?
[7:01] Maybe there's a softening,
[7:05] a bubbling up of quiet joy.
[7:18] Maybe you don't feel very much.
[7:22] connection to gratitude right now. And
[7:24] that's okay as well.
[7:34] Just valuing the opportunity
[7:39] to give yourself the gift of peace.
[7:44] It's enough
[7:46] just to turn inward.
[7:56] So understand this body and mind.
[8:26] I'm just sensing any feeling
[8:31] you notice at the top of your head right
[8:33] now.
[8:35] Becoming aware of your head.
[8:48] I'm spreading a sense of gratitude
[8:57] to your head,
[9:01] your forehead,
[9:07] to your eyes.
[9:23] Maybe you've recently had cataract
[9:25] operations. Maybe you struggle with
[9:29] short or longsightedness or
[9:33] other eye conditions which have been
[9:36] also
[9:39] experiencing the last few months.
[9:44] See if instead of finding fault with
[9:46] your eyes, you can have even more
[9:48] gratitude for how hard they work for
[9:50] you.
[9:57] The fact that you still have sight
[10:11] Gratitude to your ears.
[10:15] Just sensing any feelings, any
[10:17] sensations in your ears.
[10:24] Noticing the sounds.
[10:27] Sound of my voice.
[10:31] Amazing
[10:36] gift.
[10:38] [clears throat]
[10:39] Big help to hear
[10:42] to listen to the Dharma
[10:46] [clears throat]
[10:47] to listen
[10:50] to people who really need
[10:53] a kindly ear.
[10:57] Our
[11:04] nose that sense the smells
[11:11] pleasant and nonpleasant keeping us
[11:13] safe.
[11:26] Our mouth, our tongue, sense of taste,
[11:42] enabling us to enjoy our food and digest
[11:45] it well.
[11:49] So we may practice the dharma, live
[11:51] healthfully.
[12:04] our throat, our vocal cords allowing us
[12:07] to speak, communicate with one another.
[12:12] Practice right speech.
[12:42] sensing into your shoulders.
[12:52] Spreading gratitude to your shoulders.
[12:56] Often
[12:59] areas we hold tension and tightness,
[13:09] parts of the body that bear heavy loads,
[13:17] enabling us to carry things from here to
[13:19] there.
[13:24] Move our arms.
[13:27] Feeling down into your arms.
[13:36] Being grateful
[13:39] to have most of us hopefully we have two
[13:43] arms,
[13:51] two hands.
[13:56] All those fingers and fingertips
[13:59] enabling us to
[14:01] touch, to feel,
[14:05] to write,
[14:10] to lift things up, to prepare food.
[14:23] to hold another person's hand when they
[14:26] need comfort and friendship.
[14:32] Sending gratitude to your arms and
[14:35] hands.
[14:41] Notice if they tingle in response
[14:45] to being valued and appreciated
[15:04] starting
[15:05] with your chest. Just spreading your
[15:09] awareness through the chest area
[15:16] through all the organs inside.
[15:22] Just sensing them there.
[15:28] Perhaps feeling the lungs expand and
[15:31] contract.
[15:38] Bringing oxygen in and out of your body.
[15:49] Your heart beating
[15:53] unfailingly.
[15:55] Carry that oxygen throughout.
[16:06] your tummy, your digestive organs.
[16:13] Just noticing the whole abdomen area and
[16:16] any feelings you experience there.
[16:24] If there are any physical illnesses or
[16:28] conditions,
[16:32] being grateful for that as well.
[16:40] Grateful that you're still healthy
[16:42] enough to practice.
[16:46] Grateful that your body is constantly
[16:49] trying its best to heal.
[17:11] Moving down to the abdomen.
[17:25] and spreading your awareness
[17:27] [clears throat and cough]
[17:27] from the top of your back
[17:34] through the spinal cord and across the
[17:36] whole back area.
[17:53] allowing the muscles to relax.
[18:12] Caring for any part of your back
[18:17] which really needs that extra care.
[18:36] the waist area with the kidneys
[18:42] and down to your buttocks.
[18:58] Grateful that they offer a fairly
[19:01] comfortable cushion for you to sit
[19:04] meditation
[19:06] among many other things.
[19:37] and spreading feelings of gratitude and
[19:40] care through your thighs.
[19:45] Some of the largest muscles in the body
[19:51] that support the weight of your body,
[20:07] your knees.
[20:12] So many tendons and ligaments in the
[20:15] knees
[20:19] again doing their best to support you
[20:23] to repair
[20:39] and then go all the way down through
[20:40] your shins, your calves
[20:54] and your ankles
[21:00] enabling so much flexibility,
[21:03] balance
[21:06] and into your feet.
[21:18] These incredible feet that allow you to
[21:21] stand, to walk,
[21:29] to balance,
[21:34] to do walking meditation.
[21:42] So many different sensations in the
[21:44] feet.
[21:49] What can help us grow our mindfulness?
[21:56] Just noticing each part of the foot
[21:58] right down to each and every toe.
[22:06] Grateful for all the feet do for us.
[22:29] I'm just sensing the body as a whole.
[22:44] Grateful for having a precious human
[22:47] body, precious human birth
[22:54] with all the sense faculties intact,
[23:00] including a mind. [clears throat]
[23:06] It's capable of understanding the dharma
[23:12] of understanding the path
[23:17] to genuine happiness,
[23:21] freedom
[23:24] and deep inner peace.
[23:32] Just being grateful
[23:36] for whatever peace you've experienced
[23:41] in your mind
[23:44] in this life so far.
[24:04] Perhaps the moment of peace you
[24:06] experience right now,
[24:09] however humble,
[24:17] notice the effect of being grateful for
[24:20] that.
[24:49] How gratitude reduces
[24:53] craving and discontent.
[27:02] So, we're coming to the end of the
[27:04] meditation. Just notice
[27:09] how you feel now compared to when you
[27:11] began.
[27:17] Maybe there's more awareness
[27:22] of your body and mind.
[27:26] Maybe a little more peace, clarity,
[27:31] gratitude.
[27:39] Maybe there's something else
[27:43] that you feel grateful for.
[27:57] See if you can notice the peace,
[28:03] the joy and gratitude
[28:08] and really valuing what's
[28:11] here.
[28:12] Valuing what you have
[28:22] rather than looking for happiness
[28:24] somewhere else.
[28:44] So when you're ready, we can open our
[28:48] eyes
[28:53] and
[28:54] start the reflection.
[28:59] Excellent.
[29:07] >> [laughter]
[29:08] >> I'm not used to being on Zoom just yet,
[29:10] but
[29:13] still really nice to see you all there.
[29:20] Good. Anyone feel less grateful now than
[29:23] they did before?
[29:30] It's kind of the opposite of craving,
[29:31] isn't it? I always find that when you're
[29:34] grateful for what you actually have,
[29:37] then there's less need to kind of look
[29:39] for something better or something
[29:40] different. You know, often when we're
[29:42] doing that, it's because we're
[29:43] overlooking what's already there. We're
[29:45] just not seeing it or really valuing it.
[29:48] And this can really happen for monastics
[29:50] as well. You know, especially in
[29:52] monasteries, it can become kind of
[29:54] normal to receive food every day and not
[29:57] actually here so much, but we do receive
[29:59] lots of offerings. But certainly in a
[30:01] bigger monastery, you know, where
[30:03] there's just an abundance of requisites,
[30:05] I can see how that can lead to a sense
[30:08] of, yeah, it's great, but it's normal,
[30:11] you know, it's normal. Maybe it's always
[30:13] going to be like this. And one of the
[30:16] things that uh was very powerful for me
[30:18] this reigns was learning more about
[30:21] impermanence
[30:23] and noticing that one of the results of
[30:28] really uh
[30:31] getting a little bit more intimate with
[30:33] impermanence
[30:36] is certainly a sense of urgency for the
[30:39] practice.
[30:41] Certainly it helps to reduce uh clinging
[30:45] and the suffering that comes from that.
[30:47] But another more unexpected result of it
[30:50] for me was really that sense of
[30:52] deepening gratitude.
[30:55] Recognizing that whatever we have in
[30:56] life, whatever we think is you know
[30:59] mine, beloved and pleasing will become
[31:02] otherwise will become separated from me.
[31:05] And this does not only mean the people
[31:08] in our lives that we love and cherish
[31:10] and depend on rely on in various ways
[31:15] but even the very idea of having places
[31:18] to practice. We don't know how long
[31:21] they'll last. You know Bodhinana
[31:23] Monastery will it always be the same? It
[31:25] changes year by year. You know who knows
[31:29] what happens you know when Ajin Brahm's
[31:31] not around anymore. We don't know. We
[31:33] don't know if you know many of the SA
[31:36] will leave and go to other places or
[31:39] whether there'll still be mains retreats
[31:40] that we can come and join. We really
[31:43] don't know. And instead of that creating
[31:47] panic and fear and a sense of clinging
[31:50] to what's there, instead we can turn
[31:52] that into a sense of real gratitude. You
[31:56] know, just to think of the miracle that
[31:57] right now in our lives, there are these
[32:00] incredible places to practice and there
[32:02] are more places coming up, you know,
[32:05] that hopefully will receive the support
[32:07] they deserve.
[32:09] And we do have great teachers alive.
[32:13] Some of the elders that have been with
[32:15] other great masters and have dedicated
[32:18] decades of their lives to the practice,
[32:21] you know, and have that willingness and
[32:23] that capacity
[32:25] to not only teach but also to inspire.
[32:28] This is something really extraordinary
[32:30] that we have right now in our lives. we
[32:33] have the um strengthening the growing
[32:36] and developing of the bikuni sa which is
[32:39] really another blessing. You know one of
[32:42] the things about being in Perth is that
[32:44] uh I have the chance to be on retreat. I
[32:46] have the chance to really deepen my own
[32:48] practice and uh you know just go much
[32:52] more deeply inside and I'm supported in
[32:54] that. I'm supported to have more
[32:57] solitude.
[32:58] But at the same time, now that we have
[33:01] Anuka Grove and all our wonderful
[33:04] community and all the volunteers who've
[33:06] been taking care of the place while I've
[33:08] been away, whether through uh coming to
[33:11] stay here as caretakers or through
[33:14] continuing to come to the Zoom, um it's
[33:17] just really amazing for me to have
[33:19] somewhere to come back to, you know, and
[33:22] to experience.
[33:24] Yeah, the happiness of being in Perth,
[33:26] but also the suffering of it. You know,
[33:29] there's that little joke that Ajin Brown
[33:31] makes sometimes, Perth is suffering.
[33:33] Have you heard that? Perth is suffering.
[33:39] I used to think Perth was perfect
[33:40] happiness. But even Perth [laughter]
[33:44] as opposed to birth or as well as birth
[33:47] is suffering because there's something
[33:50] that's going to be, you know,
[33:51] unsatisfactory wherever we are.
[33:54] So when we change from one place to
[33:56] another, we're basically exchanging one
[33:58] kind of suffering for another kind of
[34:00] suffering, but also one kind of
[34:02] happiness for another. So now that I've
[34:04] left uh the context of retreat, I have
[34:07] the opportunity to serve and that's also
[34:10] just rich with meaning for me and I feel
[34:13] so grateful to come back here and to
[34:16] some extent also not being amongst
[34:18] community [laughter]
[34:20] and reunite with seminarian pala the
[34:22] other nun and also just to have an
[34:26] opportunity to take forward what I've
[34:28] learned you know to take forward the
[34:29] opportunities I've had and try and
[34:32] create those opportunities. do things
[34:33] for others.
[34:35] So yeah, for me this reigns it was uh a
[34:40] lot of lessons in not taking anything
[34:42] for granted. You know, realizing that
[34:45] things change and things change so
[34:48] quickly sometimes.
[34:50] This year I actually had um better
[34:54] health than usual which I was extremely
[34:56] grateful for. For the last uh 3 years or
[34:59] so, I've had uh quite a lot of health
[35:02] complications.
[35:04] Um I think 2023 and 24, I could barely
[35:08] sit down to meditate. And so I had to
[35:10] develop a different kind of practice
[35:12] which involved much more walking
[35:14] meditation, but also just uh focusing on
[35:19] what I was doing with my mind from time
[35:21] to time. Was I kind of lamenting the
[35:24] fact that I really would have got deeper
[35:26] in samadi if I could have sat for three
[35:28] or four hours straight or could I just
[35:32] reflect on the fact that you know every
[35:34] moment is an opportunity to develop
[35:36] wholesome states and I was really
[35:39] surprised that at the end of those
[35:40] retreats I actually felt very refreshed
[35:43] and I had developed a certain strength
[35:45] of mind even without being able to sit
[35:48] so long.
[35:50] But in this uh retreat I was very
[35:52] fortunate that I had the opportunity for
[35:55] practice which was fairly hard one
[35:57] through you know tying up many loose
[35:59] ends and I had an eye operation right
[36:02] before I had to go to Perth which uh
[36:04] yeah made that extra complication that
[36:07] extra hurdle to overcome before I got
[36:10] there.
[36:11] And uh yeah, once I got there, my body
[36:15] recovered fairly quickly and remained
[36:17] healthy enough to really get into some
[36:20] momentum with the practice. Um which
[36:24] meant not that I pushed my body or
[36:28] thought right, I have to really go for
[36:30] it. I have to really, you know, strive
[36:33] for enlightenment,
[36:35] enlightenment or past. Instead, I
[36:39] realized just how
[36:42] um privileged
[36:44] and how fortunate I was that my body was
[36:47] working with me, you know, my body was
[36:49] working for me, so to speak. And I made
[36:52] sure I also took care of the body. So
[36:56] that meant, you know, uh really being
[36:59] grateful but relaxing into the
[37:01] meditation rather than getting tense or
[37:04] obsessed with how long I would sit, you
[37:06] know, I would just allow my body to
[37:07] relax and really trust that just as my
[37:11] body was taking care of me, I I would
[37:14] take care of my body. If I needed to
[37:16] stretch, I would stretch. If I needed to
[37:19] go on a walk, that's fine. And there's
[37:21] plenty of time in the day to take my
[37:24] body on a walk, to enjoy the nature, to
[37:26] enjoy the forest,
[37:28] and also to eat in a way that supported
[37:32] my body, not in a way that supported
[37:37] greed. [laughter]
[37:39] You know, one of the other beautiful
[37:40] things about being a monastic that I'm
[37:42] really grateful for is the way that food
[37:46] is offered and received. You know, it's
[37:49] one of the most beautiful ways to eat
[37:51] food is when it's offered
[37:53] by people whose hearts are full of love
[37:56] and devotion to those who are practicing
[37:59] and who really understand, you know, the
[38:02] purpose of sharing food. And in the case
[38:07] of you know being a monastic people are
[38:09] sharing food with us because they hope
[38:11] that we're going to practice we're going
[38:13] to use this food not for fun
[38:15] beautifification
[38:17] getting fat you know satiating our our
[38:21] cravings
[38:22] but actually for the purpose of
[38:24] liberation to practice the dhamma. And
[38:27] again you know we can take that in
[38:29] different ways. We can take that with a
[38:31] sense of gratitude and reverence almost
[38:34] and use it to inspire our practice. Or
[38:36] we can say, "Oh my gosh, now I've got to
[38:39] get enlightened because otherwise I'll
[38:41] feel really guilty. I'm eating all the
[38:42] donor's food and I'm not practicing
[38:44] well. Ah, what's wrong with my mind?"
[38:47] [laughter]
[38:48] [gasps] You know, this is not being
[38:50] grateful in the way that the donors
[38:52] wish. So there's that sense of gratitude
[38:57] but also you know allowing ourselves to
[39:01] um relax into the practice to relax to
[39:05] make use of the opportunities as best we
[39:07] can but to know that you know we're not
[39:10] in control of those conditions. The
[39:12] conditions will um ripen in due course.
[39:16] We can't make our practice go any faster
[39:18] than it does. But we can really value
[39:22] whatever opportunities we have and
[39:24] whatever peace and wisdom arises in our
[39:28] mind.
[39:30] So the body was healthy and uh the way
[39:33] that the food was offered inspired that
[39:36] sense of restraint as well. You know
[39:39] that uh we eat just what's needed and
[39:43] not more than that. You know we eat the
[39:46] right amount of vegetables, protein etc.
[39:48] And what a blessing that we have uh the
[39:51] opportunity to have such a rich and
[39:53] varied uh diet even on retreat. One of
[39:58] my friends was cooking me tailormade
[40:00] food which would go in the freezer uh
[40:03] according to my gastric condition that
[40:05] it would uh support my health and it
[40:08] meant that for a whole month I could be
[40:10] in solitude in the middle of that
[40:12] retreat uh alongside my teacher John
[40:15] Brown. He also had a full month of uh
[40:17] solitary practice. So this was really an
[40:20] immense blessing. I didn't even need to
[40:22] go to the monastery and have the um
[40:26] inspiration but also a little bit of
[40:28] distraction with so many people milling
[40:30] around. I didn't even have to say hello.
[40:33] I didn't have to look particularly
[40:34] cheery if I didn't feel it. I didn't
[40:37] have to uh you know say anything wise to
[40:41] anybody. I could just really be with
[40:44] myself and process quite a lot of things
[40:47] that were coming up for me. Uh, one of
[40:50] which was this reflection on
[40:52] impermanence.
[40:55] So, it's so rare. I was reflecting, you
[40:59] know, on just how rare it is to have our
[41:01] material needs so easily met
[41:05] to have the understanding of the people
[41:08] around us who give us space and time to
[41:12] practice.
[41:14] You know, we had the the privilege of
[41:16] being in a forest.
[41:19] Somebody's maintained that forest. Every
[41:21] year there's a different fire team that
[41:22] work at the monastery, usually some of
[41:24] the novice monks. Um, and they're the
[41:27] fire wardens for the year or for longer
[41:29] than that. And they have to work on the
[41:31] fire breaks to make sure fires don't
[41:33] come through the monastery and destroy
[41:34] so much wildlife, potentially all the
[41:37] cooties as well. Um, this is a major
[41:40] part of life in Australia. It's one of
[41:43] the first things you kind of have to
[41:45] learn when you get there. You everybody
[41:46] packs their fire kit for certain times
[41:49] of year and you're on the lookout, you
[41:51] know, for the fire alerts. So the fact
[41:54] that there's this incredible bush which
[41:56] will not last
[41:58] which is running the risk of um mining
[42:03] from all these various uh big
[42:04] corporations in Western Australia. You
[42:07] know to me coming from England I think
[42:09] what are they talking about? There's so
[42:10] much forest. They're talking about
[42:12] deforestation.
[42:14] But when you see some of the areas that
[42:16] have been mined and you hear how that's
[42:18] affecting, you know, the red tail black
[42:20] cockatus and other birds that depend on
[42:24] this that depend on certain habitats for
[42:26] their lives, you realize, yeah, we don't
[42:28] know how long we have such forests, how
[42:31] long we can have forest monasteries,
[42:34] right? Or people who are willing to put
[42:36] in so many years to build such places up
[42:39] from scratch.
[42:41] You know, we had these two meditation
[42:43] halls. one at Janna Grove and one at
[42:45] Bodinana,
[42:46] both of which are really powerful by
[42:48] now. Um, the one at Bodinana has Buddha
[42:51] relics in the front and it has this
[42:54] thick pink carpet and for me a very
[42:57] beautiful architecture with a big damma
[42:59] wheel in the back of the uh in the front
[43:02] of the dam hall. And it's really
[43:06] this atmosphere that is very um
[43:11] it's similar to a grank center. There's
[43:12] a couple of people here who've been on a
[43:14] Goenko retreat recently. There's this
[43:16] momentum of practice that creates a very
[43:19] strong
[43:21] um mood of meditation.
[43:25] Like it's like the energy just kind of
[43:28] helps you get into your meditation much
[43:30] more quickly than you normally would.
[43:32] But in the monastery in Perth, maybe
[43:35] because of Ajin Brown's emphasis on meta
[43:39] and contentment and gratitude and all
[43:42] these beautiful qualities of mind,
[43:44] there's an intensity, but it's also very
[43:46] soft.
[43:48] So, it's still very focused on practice.
[43:51] It still pulls you in in a very deep and
[43:54] beautiful way, but in a very soft way.
[43:58] And you know these halls are created by
[44:01] so many people's labor. Ajam Brown told
[44:04] the story actually of how he was the
[44:06] main builder of that hall and one side
[44:09] of it is extremely steep like it comes
[44:12] up in a big kind of uh triangle and
[44:15] there's this kind of brick work that
[44:16] leads up to it which is literally sort
[44:18] of staggered in bricks you know brick by
[44:20] brick by brick it goes in. And he said
[44:23] that one afternoon when he was much
[44:25] younger and [clears throat] much
[44:28] slimmer, in fact very very skinny in
[44:31] those days, um he knew he wouldn't be
[44:33] allowed to do this if any other monks
[44:35] were around. So when no one was looking,
[44:38] he managed to walk up there just with a
[44:40] ladder without any scaffolding. But the
[44:43] ladder wouldn't reach right to the top.
[44:45] So he had to stop and then walk up those
[44:48] bricks that were kind of like very very
[44:51] thin steps. just one brick wide to get
[44:54] to the top. And he had like a bucket of
[44:56] cement in one hand and what did he have
[44:58] in the other hand? He did say, I don't
[45:01] know, pulling all his tools. He couldn't
[45:02] even like hold on to the ladder. So, he
[45:05] literally risked life and limb to get
[45:08] those last bricks put in up there. And
[45:11] he was a perfectionist, so he had to get
[45:13] them just right. But he said he got up
[45:15] there through sheer inspiration,
[45:18] sheer the power of inspiration. and and
[45:21] the feeling that the davvers would
[45:23] protect him.
[45:25] So, luckily they did and he's still
[45:27] alive. But, uh, of course, I think now
[45:30] they don't even let him get on a normal
[45:32] roof, never mind walk up a huge high
[45:35] monastery roof like that. So, we just
[45:39] have so much to be grateful for. You
[45:41] know, we might feel kind of proud like I
[45:43] managed to go on retreat. you know, I
[45:45] worked so hard for this and other people
[45:48] do stupid things with their holidays.
[45:50] But, you know, it's not through our own
[45:52] efforts alone. It's through the efforts
[45:55] and the gifts really that so many people
[45:58] have given us throughout our lives from
[46:01] our parents who enabled us to have a
[46:04] human birth and to be reasonably well
[46:06] brought up. I mean it might vary for all
[46:09] of us here and I know that not everybody
[46:11] has an easy childhood by any means but
[46:14] you know we have enough education enough
[46:19] opportunities
[46:21] enough access to the dharma to be here
[46:24] to be able to practice right our mental
[46:27] faculties are pretty much intact
[46:31] and this is an incredible blessing and
[46:34] then to hear the dharma and gain faith
[46:36] in that dharma
[46:38] You know that is not only owing to our
[46:41] own readiness.
[46:43] It's owing to the teachers we've come
[46:45] across to the inspiration they've given
[46:48] us to so many many things. The people
[46:51] we've met along the way that we've had
[46:52] inspiring dharma conversations with. You
[46:55] know sometimes there's a moment in our
[46:57] practice and we could almost go off the
[46:59] path. you know, we almost made a
[47:01] decision that it wasn't working for us
[47:03] anymore and we meet someone and they
[47:05] turn that around for us and we carry on
[47:08] the practice. It's really incredible and
[47:11] we just can't take this for granted. You
[47:13] know, that was one of the kind of
[47:14] slogans that kept coming back to me.
[47:16] Don't take anything for granted. You
[47:19] know, don't presume that now you're in
[47:20] robes. You've got it made. The food's
[47:23] going to be there the next day. Someone
[47:25] was telling me, you know, that sometimes
[47:27] the monks just speak as though, yeah,
[47:30] there'll be food tomorrow, and you know,
[47:32] if it's this, I'll take that, and if
[47:34] it's that, I might take the other. You
[47:37] don't know [laughter]
[47:39] that food will continue. Western
[47:41] Australia is doing very well. It's quite
[47:44] economically prosperous. There were lots
[47:47] of uh Aussie men working in the mines
[47:49] and many of them married to um Thai
[47:53] women and uh other traditional Buddhist
[47:57] people who love to come to the
[47:59] monasteries and have the time to do
[48:00] that. And this is why people get fed,
[48:03] right? This can change at any moment.
[48:05] The government can change, the economy
[48:08] can change,
[48:10] people's faith can change. So we never
[48:12] really know. And this is not again to
[48:15] make us feel guilty or to make us feel
[48:18] stressed that perhaps one day we won't
[48:21] have access to the dharma, but rather to
[48:25] really try and internalize everything
[48:28] we've received so far.
[48:30] Really try and internalize that and make
[48:33] an inner refuge for ourselves while we
[48:35] can.
[48:37] I know that I gain a lot of faith, a lot
[48:41] of inspiration. I mean the word a lot
[48:44] just sounds so trite because I can't
[48:46] actually put into words what it means to
[48:49] have been around and to still be around
[48:52] a teacher like Arjam bra you know and it
[48:55] gives me great power like a great source
[48:58] of power in my practice to just
[49:01] contemplate the area sa to really
[49:05] have that visceral experience of what
[49:07] it's like to be around a person who is
[49:10] so filled with compassion
[49:13] and so
[49:15] drenched in peace,
[49:18] you know, who really doesn't judge and
[49:20] who knows with absolute certainty
[49:25] that this could be any of us that all of
[49:28] us have that same capacity to awaken to
[49:30] the truth. The confidence and the joy
[49:33] that that gives to to you. you know, the
[49:36] sense of faith when you're around people
[49:38] like this is immense
[49:40] and it's great to bring that up in
[49:42] practice. And I was doing that quite a
[49:44] bit. But what I realized and somebody
[49:47] told me I think in the retreat is that
[49:49] when I sit there and remember, you know,
[49:52] how it feels to be in the presence of a
[49:54] really wise person, a really loving
[49:56] person,
[49:58] I'm actually experiencing those emotions
[50:02] for myself. That love that I'm
[50:04] experiencing when I bring this person to
[50:07] mind is coming from me. It's coming from
[50:09] my mind actually. So even though the
[50:12] source look appears to be external, we
[50:15] can bring that right inside ourselves.
[50:17] We can tune up to that and that meta
[50:21] that compassion that maybe you know we
[50:24] remember through being around other
[50:26] people is actually coming from up from
[50:29] inside.
[50:31] And in my practice in this retreat, I
[50:33] really started to um recognize this
[50:38] and to allow myself to bask in that meta
[50:41] that was coming from within to the point
[50:44] where I only had to remember the idea of
[50:47] meta and v there it was, you know, and
[50:50] it really became a refuge for me in the
[50:52] retreat that felt a little bit less
[50:55] externalized and a little bit less
[50:58] dependent, you know, on the people I was
[51:01] around. So this was very beautiful
[51:03] especially in the solitary retreat
[51:05] because of course I didn't have any
[51:06] interviews. I didn't you know see my
[51:08] teacher. I didn't actually see anyone
[51:10] except Samaria Pchala who was a very um
[51:14] companionable
[51:15] uh person to be around and not speak to.
[51:19] [clears throat] It was great. We didn't
[51:20] say a single word for that whole four
[51:24] weeks.
[51:25] But we really did blend like milk and
[51:27] water. You know, whoever finished eating
[51:30] first, didn't matter whose dishes it
[51:32] they were, they'd start washing up. If
[51:34] the other one finished eating, they'd
[51:36] join in, you know, do the drying or wipe
[51:39] the surfaces. But it was never like,
[51:40] "Oh, they're your pots. I'm leaving them
[51:42] for you." You know, we just worked
[51:44] seamlessly. Even though we're in
[51:46] silence, we didn't actually look at each
[51:48] other. But still, we would even be
[51:50] handing each other like the dishloth or
[51:52] handing each other the top of the pan,
[51:54] and it was like clockwork, you know? you
[51:56] just get into this kind of mode where
[51:58] you just know each other so well but
[52:00] through the silence and it was so
[52:02] beautiful. So I had that I had that
[52:04] support but you know apart from that I
[52:07] didn't um I didn't have anyone else
[52:10] around. I had some talks on my little uh
[52:14] pocket aan I call it little very
[52:16] old-fashioned iPod brick. Um and so I
[52:20] would you know listen to the dhammer
[52:22] from time to time every couple of days
[52:25] for inspiration. But one of the things
[52:28] that um gave me great confidence was
[52:30] just being able to find so much peace
[52:32] and contentment inside. And this was
[52:35] amidst a lot of changing conditions, you
[52:38] know, um and a lot of uh different
[52:42] emotions that I would be processing at
[52:44] that time.
[52:46] And it also made me realize that we can
[52:50] be grateful for the suffering,
[52:54] right? Gratitude doesn't extend only to
[52:57] the most obviously wonderful
[52:59] opportunities we have, but even things
[53:02] that are difficult, right? the suffering
[53:05] that arises in our practice or the
[53:07] emotions that we would rather not
[53:09] experience,
[53:11] we can be really really grateful for
[53:13] that because suffering is actually the
[53:16] first noble truth.
[53:19] And if you haven't got the end of
[53:21] suffering yet, at least you've got the
[53:23] first noble truth to work with.
[53:25] [laughter]
[53:26] And the Buddha said this suffering is to
[53:29] be understood. And what better way than
[53:31] to encounter it directly in our minds.
[53:34] Apparently Arjun Chai used to say where
[53:37] is the suffering? Oh sorry where is the
[53:39] practice?
[53:41] The practice is wherever there is
[53:43] suffering that's where the practice
[53:45] lies.
[53:47] So again you know always looking for the
[53:50] perfect conditions [laughter]
[53:53] always trying to go somewhere else or
[53:55] look somewhere else for our happiness in
[53:57] a way is a lack of gratitude for what we
[53:59] have. Maybe what we have, even if it's
[54:02] uncomfortable, even if it's painful, is
[54:05] exactly what we need. It's exactly where
[54:08] the practice is at. It's exactly where
[54:11] we can grow. You know, how can we really
[54:14] develop wisdom if we haven't suffered at
[54:18] all or if we're rejecting suffering or
[54:20] trying to change suffering somehow?
[54:23] Wisdom only really starts to grow when
[54:25] we start turning towards it. Yeah.
[54:29] even a little bit and developing a much
[54:32] more wholesome and tender loving
[54:35] attitude towards the difficulties in
[54:38] life. So this is when compassion can
[54:41] really start to grow. And I often find
[54:43] for myself that uh suffering gets kind
[54:48] of consolidated and starts to become you
[54:51] know almost feel almost intractable when
[54:54] I close myself up when I close myself
[54:57] off and I isolate myself in that
[55:00] suffering. But when I'm able to like
[55:03] contact that and recognize the humanity
[55:06] in that, the universality in that that
[55:09] all beings go through these feelings,
[55:12] you know, grief is universal,
[55:14] right? Fear, anxiety are universal
[55:17] feelings that everybody has. And when we
[55:20] can be really you know intimate with
[55:22] that in ourself then we can connect to
[55:25] other people too who share those same
[55:28] struggles who also go through those
[55:31] things.
[55:32] There was one experience I had in the
[55:34] retreat towards the end when uh I
[55:36] started talking to other retreatants and
[55:39] uh I asked one of the retreatants you
[55:41] know did you have a good retreat? Bad
[55:43] question never use words like good or
[55:46] bad.
[55:48] Okay. So, it's not a bad question, just
[55:50] not a perfect question or not a very um
[55:53] uh productive question perhaps. And she
[55:57] said, "No, I didn't have a good
[55:58] retreat."
[56:00] And then I realized that was, you know,
[56:02] not the right question. So, I said, "Did
[56:05] you have a beneficial retreat?" And she
[56:07] said, "Oh, yes, yes, it was beneficial."
[56:09] [laughter]
[56:11] [gasps] So, that's interesting. What on
[56:14] earth do we mean there? If it's
[56:16] beneficial, isn't that good?
[56:18] >> [laughter]
[56:19] [gasps]
[56:20] >> So often, you know, we're judging our
[56:21] experience with the feeling tone by the
[56:24] feeling tone, whether it's what we would
[56:26] call pleasant, pleasurable, or
[56:29] unpleasant or painful. But this is not
[56:32] how we measure um
[56:36] I don't know what you can say the
[56:38] quality. It's not how we measure the
[56:40] quality of a retreat. And I don't really
[56:43] think we can ever say whether a retreat
[56:45] was good or bad. Maybe not even whether
[56:49] whether it was beneficial or not or how
[56:51] it was beneficial until we actually um
[56:56] come back into a more relational
[56:58] practice and we see how and if and where
[57:02] it's changed our um the way we relate to
[57:07] one another in the world and the way we
[57:09] relate to ourselves as well.
[57:12] So whether a retreat is a a good retreat
[57:15] or a beneficial retreat becomes clearer
[57:18] over time and again you know it's about
[57:21] not looking for instant results but just
[57:24] being grateful to be putting those
[57:25] causes in place. This is the most
[57:28] important thing and not taking anything
[57:31] for granted. not thinking okay well you
[57:35] know I don't really have good practice
[57:37] opportunities now but maybe next year
[57:39] when I go on retreat maybe I'll join the
[57:41] Italy retreat with venerable chanda
[57:43] maybe that's when I can really start to
[57:45] understand the enlightenment factors
[57:47] forget about it you're wasting the
[57:50] opportunity you have now you can't take
[57:53] it for granted that you'll be alive at
[57:54] that time you can't take it for granted
[57:56] that you'll have the interest or the um
[58:00] ability to absorb the teachings things
[58:02] at that time, right? But what you do
[58:05] know is that right now
[58:08] you're alive. You're well enough.
[58:11] You have the interest to hear the
[58:13] dharma. You have the opportunity for a
[58:15] moment of peace. However, uh humble that
[58:20] peace might seem. And this is a course
[58:23] for rejoicing. It's a cause for great
[58:25] gratitude. And once you, you know, learn
[58:28] to develop these wholesome emotions,
[58:30] you'll notice that the more you incline
[58:33] towards
[58:34] seeing what there is to be grateful for,
[58:36] the more you'll see to be grateful for.
[58:40] And it's like the more you value what
[58:43] you have, the more that thing that you
[58:45] value kind of starts to blossom in the
[58:49] mind. You know, once you notice that
[58:51] little bit of peace, that peace tends to
[58:53] grow. Once you notice there's something
[58:55] to be grateful for, you start to really
[58:58] experience the beauty of gratitude, the
[59:01] sweetness of it, the lack of discontent,
[59:05] the lack of craving that can be there
[59:08] when you're already grateful. You're
[59:10] already grateful for what you have. You
[59:12] don't need anything more. So at first it
[59:15] seems just like a wholesome attitude,
[59:16] but later on you start to realize these
[59:19] are the qualities actually of the
[59:21] enlightened mind. These are the
[59:23] qualities of nibbana,
[59:25] right? This is close to contentment to
[59:28] genuinely being so grateful, so content,
[59:32] so satisfied that you really want for
[59:35] nothing else. This is the end of
[59:38] wanting, right?
[59:40] This is the opportunity to really
[59:43] overcome craving. Just being grateful
[59:45] for what we already have and following
[59:49] that direction in our life.
[59:53] So, I have some signs here that uh the
[59:56] Wi-Fi connection is in and out for some
[59:58] people. I guess that's your own Wi-Fi
[1:00:01] connection. So, great if you're back in
[1:00:03] again. Don't take that for granted
[1:00:05] either.
[1:00:07] Um, keep trying to come back though. Uh,
[1:00:09] because now we'll open up for some Q&A.
[1:00:12] So, I hope that my jet lag didn't make
[1:00:14] that talk too disperate and all over the
[1:00:17] place. [laughter]
[1:00:21] And hopefully there was something there
[1:00:22] that could inspire you and that makes
[1:00:24] sense to you. And please feel free to
[1:00:26] ask anything at all um about the
[1:00:29] practice, about my retreat,
[1:00:31] um about your own lives, anything that
[1:00:35] comes up for you uh that you'd like to
[1:00:37] share. So let's have some opportunity
[1:00:40] for Q&A. Yes, someone said here in the
[1:00:43] chat that uh they understand that many
[1:00:46] of the forests where Arjun Cha practiced
[1:00:48] yet are now gone. And I think that's
[1:00:50] right. There's a few forests left in
[1:00:52] northeast Thailand. There was a very
[1:00:54] wonderful monastery that I had the
[1:00:56] blessing to uh spend time at. That was
[1:00:58] uh what uh I just got nana chat in my
[1:01:03] head because I've been hearing about it.
[1:01:04] Um oh my goodness. W Pabantad where
[1:01:08] Ajamahabura lived at that time and I was
[1:01:11] around him. He was about 97 years old. I
[1:01:14] had six weeks of practice with him over
[1:01:16] a couple of years.
[1:01:19] I think twice, two times that I stayed.
[1:01:22] And uh yeah, I do believe that when he
[1:01:26] uh died, I don't know if he entered
[1:01:28] Pibano. Nobody knows, right? We don't
[1:01:30] actually know who's really enlightened
[1:01:32] or not, but wherever he went, uh the
[1:01:34] monastery kind of also degenerated after
[1:01:39] he passed. So, it's it's really a shame,
[1:01:42] you know, that um that sometimes it's
[1:01:44] just not possible for these places to
[1:01:47] continue in the same way. I don't know
[1:01:49] whether people were joking that it had
[1:01:52] become a museum when he died. I don't
[1:01:54] know if it's gone that far. Um hopefully
[1:01:58] some people still practice there, but I
[1:02:00] don't know, you know, it won't be the
[1:02:02] same. So yeah, I've had the most amazing
[1:02:05] opportunities to practice in the past,
[1:02:08] but you know, what are we doing with the
[1:02:11] opportunities we have to practice now?
[1:02:13] That's the important thing.
[1:02:16] All right, what else have we got? Please
[1:02:18] um put your hand up so I can actually
[1:02:20] hear your voice as well. That's always
[1:02:21] very nice. Feeling very grateful that
[1:02:23] we're both back. Yeah, I'm very grateful
[1:02:25] that um we're back and that we're
[1:02:27] meeting with all of you again and that
[1:02:29] you're all here. It's wonderful. Thank
[1:02:31] you. you a good reflection from your
[1:02:33] retreat. Grateful to hear your words.
[1:02:35] Excellent. You feel as if your battery
[1:02:38] got fully charged. Wow, that's awesome.
[1:02:41] Really grateful. Been needing this
[1:02:43] inspiration. If you need to go, that's
[1:02:46] absolutely no problem. Goodbye. Good
[1:02:48] night. Uh wonderful teaching.
[1:02:50] Contentment and gratitude are true
[1:02:52] blessings. I know you love the subject
[1:02:54] of contentment, so I threw contentment
[1:02:56] in there, too. Profound gratitude for
[1:02:59] the reminder.
[1:03:01] Really inspiring to hear you describe
[1:03:03] such beautiful flowers for the mind.
[1:03:05] Weeds can't grow that way. Yeah. Can
[1:03:08] almost feel the joy and gratitude with
[1:03:10] you. Excellent. Well, you can actually.
[1:03:12] You say almost, but trust me, you're
[1:03:14] feeling it, right? So, don't expect it
[1:03:17] to be more than it is. You're already
[1:03:19] feeling something and that's already
[1:03:21] beautiful. That's already growing. One
[1:03:24] more chat and then I'll come to the
[1:03:26] questions from real people. No, you're
[1:03:29] all real, but the voices. Thank you. I'm
[1:03:32] so happy to be listening to you. Does it
[1:03:35] still in some way require the right
[1:03:37] conditions to have this experience, to
[1:03:38] reflect on it, and to be able to face
[1:03:40] suffering with gratitude? Yes. But one
[1:03:44] of those conditions is exactly this,
[1:03:47] hearing about gratitude.
[1:03:51] It's just the reminder sometimes.
[1:03:54] That's all. You don't have to be in
[1:03:56] Perth,
[1:03:58] you know. You don't have to be like on
[1:03:59] retreat. You don't have to be, I don't
[1:04:01] know, what else can you be doing?
[1:04:05] You could be at work and realize, "Wow,
[1:04:07] isn't this great? I've got a job and my
[1:04:09] boss lets me go on retreats. Isn't this
[1:04:11] fantastic? If I didn't have a job, I
[1:04:13] wouldn't be able to be on retreat. I'm
[1:04:15] so fortunate." Maybe not even that.
[1:04:17] Maybe in your job, in your workplace,
[1:04:20] whatever you do, you have the chance to
[1:04:22] smile at a person. You have the chance
[1:04:24] to practice right speech. you have the
[1:04:26] chance to do the overtime so someone
[1:04:28] else doesn't have to do it [laughter]
[1:04:31] whatever it might be but I do think yes
[1:04:34] conditions are important but the most
[1:04:36] important condition is just hearing the
[1:04:38] dharma that's the most important
[1:04:40] condition and the more we can expose
[1:04:42] oursel to that the more readily it will
[1:04:44] come up in our mind so you know don't
[1:04:47] think again that you need a different
[1:04:49] condition to practice gratitude be
[1:04:52] grateful for how much gratitude you have
[1:04:54] right Yeah. [laughter]
[1:04:56] Okay. Manomi coming to you.
[1:05:00] >> Yeah. Just a small question. Um did you
[1:05:02] do um lot of meta during your um
[1:05:07] retreat?
[1:05:10] >> I just felt my heart got open that
[1:05:13] there's something coming to me kind of
[1:05:16] [laughter]
[1:05:17] the screen but I kind of feeling it. So
[1:05:20] that's why I wanted to ask you.
[1:05:22] >> That's nice. Yeah. I mean meta is a big
[1:05:25] part of my practice always and there
[1:05:27] were some times in the practice that I
[1:05:29] would sort of think okay let me uh start
[1:05:32] off with present moment and then I'd be
[1:05:34] really into present moment for a few
[1:05:36] days and then yeah sometimes it would
[1:05:39] get a little bit like yeah this is this
[1:05:41] is good but maybe a little bit more
[1:05:42] softness and then I practice meta and
[1:05:44] whenever I practice meta I must say
[1:05:47] there was quite an immediate result
[1:05:50] quite an immediate effect and then I
[1:05:52] would carry on with the loving kindness
[1:05:53] for some time and it did come to the
[1:05:55] point actually where just the thought of
[1:05:57] loving kindness would kind of suffuse my
[1:05:59] body and mind in a way that perhaps
[1:06:03] was more
[1:06:05] spontaneous than it has been before. I'm
[1:06:07] not sure. Um,
[1:06:10] as I say, I was working a lot with uh
[1:06:14] really trying to internalize the dharma
[1:06:17] that I've learned and especially around
[1:06:20] what I've learned from Ajin Brown and
[1:06:22] the times that he's supported me and you
[1:06:26] know just the most amazing I don't know
[1:06:28] opportunity I've had to really be uh
[1:06:31] close to such a great teacher because
[1:06:34] obviously he's getting older, you know,
[1:06:36] he's not going to live forever and this
[1:06:38] is often on my mind. And
[1:06:42] I think for many years really, I've been
[1:06:44] knowing that I need to work on my
[1:06:45] attachment. I need to kind of uh yeah,
[1:06:48] just find ways to really um
[1:06:53] find how I'm going to carry everything
[1:06:56] I've learned from him forward, you know,
[1:07:00] because this will really be my task when
[1:07:03] he's not around. It will be to take
[1:07:05] those teachings on you know as a kind of
[1:07:08] legacy because yeah it's not just for
[1:07:12] entertainment that we come to the
[1:07:13] dhhammer right that we come to dhamma
[1:07:15] talks it's actually to start to
[1:07:19] understand the dharma for ourself and to
[1:07:23] um yeah realize that whatever we see in
[1:07:26] another person is our own potential. So
[1:07:29] I think this retreat I was really um
[1:07:32] just reflecting quite powerfully on
[1:07:34] those things and uh tuning in to some of
[1:07:39] those things I've learned. I don't know
[1:07:40] if I'm making much sense but um
[1:07:42] [laughter]
[1:07:43] yeah I do feel you know meta is always a
[1:07:46] big part of my practice and it obviously
[1:07:48] is of yours as well because okay
[1:07:50] sometimes meeting other people helps to
[1:07:53] uh stimulate that emotion or that mood
[1:07:56] but as I said it is coming from you it
[1:07:59] is coming from you if you didn't have
[1:08:02] you know that meta in your own heart you
[1:08:05] wouldn't be able to experience it from
[1:08:07] someone else we have to both be able to
[1:08:12] you know experience it for ourselves and
[1:08:14] receive it as well.
[1:08:18] Uh okay so I am now coming to Janicki
[1:08:23] and then back to the chat.
[1:08:27] Hi Janicki.
[1:08:31] Oops, you've gone muted again.
[1:08:35] I'm really very happy to see you. I can
[1:08:38] I don't know whether you can hear me.
[1:08:39] Can you hear me?
[1:08:40] >> Yes. Very well.
[1:08:41] >> You can't can.
[1:08:42] >> Oh, yeah. Okay. You can [laughter]
[1:08:46] Yeah. Um
[1:08:49] Where I really would like to have your
[1:08:52] help because while I was listening and I
[1:08:54] while I was on the program, I was so
[1:08:57] engrossed in you know learning I mean
[1:09:01] the information coming from your retreat
[1:09:03] about meta and all that. I know that
[1:09:05] meta helps in a big way. Um so you have
[1:09:09] been really very fortunate to put that
[1:09:11] into practice. While in the middle of
[1:09:14] that um someone was sending me this uh
[1:09:19] uh question or some uh it was sort of uh
[1:09:23] I don't know how to answer this person
[1:09:25] but probably you will be able to help
[1:09:27] me. Uh this person says Buddha is
[1:09:32] limited to the subjective and science is
[1:09:35] limited to the objective. Certainly a
[1:09:37] role for both but Buddha is not going to
[1:09:40] give me all the uh answers that you may
[1:09:44] see him as all knowing. So I really
[1:09:48] don't know how to answer that person.
[1:09:51] >> Yeah is called locu. That means I mean
[1:09:54] we can't even imagine how much he knows.
[1:09:58] >> [laughter]
[1:09:58] >> I mean the Buddha yeah the Buddha's main
[1:10:01] concern was with teaching suffering and
[1:10:03] the end of suffering right [laughter]
[1:10:07] and he didn't talk about other things
[1:10:09] that weren't directly connected to that
[1:10:12] >> so it's true that he wasn't omnisient in
[1:10:16] as such because he didn't always know
[1:10:18] exactly what to say at the right time I
[1:10:20] mean sometimes he also made mistakes the
[1:10:22] very first person he met after his
[1:10:24] enlightenment he said something like I
[1:10:26] am the all knowing all seeing perfectly
[1:10:29] enlightened blah blah blah and it didn't
[1:10:31] work right and then he had to go and
[1:10:33] reassess uh how to teach so the Buddha
[1:10:36] wasn't omnisient in the sense that he
[1:10:38] knew absolutely everything he could
[1:10:39] predict the future etc etc but he taught
[1:10:42] suffering and the end of suffering and
[1:10:45] we do need uh the word of another which
[1:10:48] means the word of someone who's
[1:10:49] enlightened or at least gone much
[1:10:52] further than us on the path at least has
[1:10:54] a very good grounding in the practice
[1:10:56] and who understands the Buddha's
[1:10:58] teachings and isn't going to misguide us
[1:11:00] in any way. We need to hear the
[1:11:02] teachings of the Buddha and of the uh
[1:11:05] noble ones in order to set us off on the
[1:11:07] path. But the Buddha always said, you
[1:11:09] know,
[1:11:11] I can only show you the way, but you
[1:11:14] have to walk on the path. So the path is
[1:11:17] very very well explained, but whether we
[1:11:20] understand it properly, this is why we
[1:11:23] need Dharma discussion. whether we have
[1:11:26] um the conditions in our own lives to be
[1:11:28] able to practice or how much we're able
[1:11:31] to practice we can't necessarily you
[1:11:34] know control
[1:11:37] um how far we'll get we can't control it
[1:11:40] doesn't matter because I often think
[1:11:42] when we're thinking about how far we get
[1:11:44] we mean in this lifetime but the main
[1:11:47] point is if you just walk and keep
[1:11:49] walking you will get there so don't
[1:11:51] worry how far you get within a certain
[1:11:53] time frame forget said about time
[1:11:55] frames. We just need to walk on the
[1:11:57] path. But in order to do that and do it
[1:12:00] as effectively as we can and not get
[1:12:02] lost on side roads and by roads and
[1:12:05] blind alleys, we do need to keep
[1:12:08] exposing oursel to the dhamma.
[1:12:11] Not only listen, reading and hearing but
[1:12:14] also discussing so that we can clarify
[1:12:17] any doubts or we can check our
[1:12:21] experiences. Sometimes, you know,
[1:12:23] sometimes people think they've attained
[1:12:24] this or attained that. They've not got
[1:12:27] there yet. That's okay. We're not
[1:12:28] putting anyone down. But there's more
[1:12:31] you can do to reduce suffering further.
[1:12:34] Don't you want to reduce suffering
[1:12:36] further? So, [snorts] don't stop short.
[1:12:39] So, yeah, I think maybe just to bring it
[1:12:42] back down to those very basic things,
[1:12:44] you know, and is it just subjective? I
[1:12:46] don't know. It's experiential, right?
[1:12:48] So, there are objective results. If you
[1:12:52] use your mind in one way, you suffer
[1:12:55] more. If you use it in another, you
[1:12:57] know, you generate kindness, compassion,
[1:12:59] contentment, gratitude, and all those
[1:13:01] wholesome things, you experience more
[1:13:04] happiness.
[1:13:06] You know that for yourself. For another
[1:13:08] person, it's subjective. You might look
[1:13:09] at me and think, "Oh, you look really
[1:13:10] happy. You look really full of meta."
[1:13:12] Maybe, maybe not. Right? That's
[1:13:14] subjective. That's just a perception.
[1:13:16] But you know for yourself whether
[1:13:19] something is really helping you in your
[1:13:21] life and you have to you know check that
[1:13:23] out in different situations you know and
[1:13:26] over time and always be willing to
[1:13:28] adjust always be willing to say okay
[1:13:31] maybe I just go back a bit here and try
[1:13:34] to approach it from a slightly different
[1:13:35] angle.
[1:13:37] Yeah. So the path is experiential. It's
[1:13:40] experimental and it's a a work in
[1:13:43] progress. Yeah. Yeah.
[1:13:46] I don't know if that really answers the
[1:13:48] question, but I hope it helped. I'm
[1:13:50] coming to Jiva then to the chat. I said
[1:13:52] I'd come to the chat next, didn't I? And
[1:13:54] then to tell I'll fit you all in.
[1:13:57] [laughter]
[1:13:58] >> Hi, Ja.
[1:13:59] >> Hi. Hi, Venerable. Really great to see
[1:14:01] you. And
[1:14:01] >> thank you.
[1:14:03] >> Um, just two things to say. One is,
[1:14:05] yeah, the the reminder on gratitude was
[1:14:07] really great. I'm working with a massive
[1:14:09] sense of lack and regret right now.
[1:14:11] Uh-huh.
[1:14:12] >> And just yeah, I still regret what I
[1:14:15] did, but just the gratitude practice was
[1:14:18] really really helpful.
[1:14:20] >> That's it's that's not all that there is
[1:14:22] in the world.
[1:14:23] >> Yes.
[1:14:23] >> So that was really helpful. And I love
[1:14:26] meta practice as you know and I know a
[1:14:29] few ways of doing it. Um,
[1:14:33] and what yeah, what often helps me is
[1:14:35] coming up with my own phrases, but I
[1:14:37] would also love to hear any like how how
[1:14:40] do you do meta practice? And just just
[1:14:42] before, yeah, just sort of the final
[1:14:44] part of my question is you said um just
[1:14:47] being reminded of meta, just the
[1:14:49] suggestion was often enough and and I
[1:14:51] often find that too often just a word is
[1:14:53] a suggestion, but I'd love to hear how
[1:14:55] you actually engage with meta practice,
[1:14:57] how you cultivate that.
[1:14:59] >> [snorts]
[1:15:00] >> I think I'm always experimenting and
[1:15:02] always trying different ways. Um yeah, I
[1:15:05] guess I usually have kind of two or
[1:15:08] three main ways. So one way which you
[1:15:10] won't be expecting me to say is just to
[1:15:12] practice it in daily life just to do
[1:15:15] good things and kind things for people
[1:15:17] to kind of actually express loving
[1:15:20] kindness through you know action because
[1:15:23] that really consolidates feelings of
[1:15:25] loving kindness as well. You feel good,
[1:15:27] you feel the result. Um, I do like to
[1:15:31] start with the phrases most of the time
[1:15:33] if I'm doing a formal practice of loving
[1:15:35] kindness because I think I'm very um uh
[1:15:39] language oriented. Um, but I'm also very
[1:15:43] feeling oriented like I feel emotions in
[1:15:46] my body in an embodied way. So I will
[1:15:49] say the phrases and I'll feel the
[1:15:51] emotional resonance of that in an
[1:15:54] embodied way. Um, and that usually
[1:15:57] starts to arise fairly quickly for me
[1:15:59] because of practicing for a long time.
[1:16:02] But even if it doesn't, um, just to keep
[1:16:05] repeating that and enjoying that space
[1:16:06] between the phrases as an opportunity to
[1:16:09] just let the mind sort of dwell in that
[1:16:12] idea really and give the mind time to
[1:16:15] sort of incline in that direction. But
[1:16:17] what normally happens is that there's a
[1:16:19] sort of feeling of softness and warmth
[1:16:21] will start to come over me and more pey
[1:16:24] type feelings.
[1:16:26] And yeah, sometimes it's connected to a
[1:16:28] person. So their face might also help to
[1:16:31] generate that, bring the face up from
[1:16:32] time to time if I'm sending it to them
[1:16:35] as well as the words. Um, but at the
[1:16:37] same point
[1:16:40] the uh the feeling of meta will become
[1:16:42] so strong I won't need much language
[1:16:44] anymore. Another way and then I can just
[1:16:47] go with that. Another way is kind of uh
[1:16:51] to just have an attitude of loving
[1:16:53] kindness towards anything that's
[1:16:55] arising.
[1:16:57] So that's about developing right
[1:16:59] intention in a sense. So the non-ill
[1:17:01] will towards what's arising.
[1:17:04] um the kindness for example softening
[1:17:07] towards pain or um imagining myself sort
[1:17:12] of almost massaging the pain or just
[1:17:15] really giving it space really letting it
[1:17:17] be there I'm just talking about pain as
[1:17:19] an example so even if you don't feel
[1:17:22] meta you have a sort of relationship of
[1:17:25] love and kindness and goodwill towards
[1:17:27] whatever arises but what happened in my
[1:17:30] retreat this time was more of taking
[1:17:35] getting directly in touch with how it
[1:17:37] feels to be sused in meta
[1:17:41] and directly related to how I feel when
[1:17:44] I'm around my teachers because I have so
[1:17:46] much devotion and so much good
[1:17:48] connection especially with a bra when
[1:17:50] I'm there um and around that you know I
[1:17:53] can imagine myself just be being in that
[1:17:55] presence and taking that in and I think
[1:17:58] just this
[1:18:00] comment that somebody made when I told
[1:18:02] them how you know how much I get from
[1:18:05] being around uh you know people with a
[1:18:09] lot of love and kindness they said to me
[1:18:12] well that's coming from you okay so
[1:18:14] you're imagining that scenario where
[1:18:16] you're receiving it but the feeling is
[1:18:19] you're doing that your mind is
[1:18:20] generating that emotion and I realized
[1:18:22] yeah yeah of course right it's coming
[1:18:24] from me so it's not that it's a meta
[1:18:27] that I'm feeling it's my meta that I'm
[1:18:29] feeling and when I realized that I
[1:18:32] started to just trust it more and
[1:18:35] internalize it more and I could sit down
[1:18:37] and go, okay, feel that matter that's
[1:18:40] inside yourself and it was just there
[1:18:43] and I was trusting it more and allowing
[1:18:45] it more. I don't know if that makes
[1:18:47] sense. Um, I mean obviously I was in a
[1:18:50] long retreat so it's kind of you start
[1:18:53] to get a hang of it so to speak and and
[1:18:57] you have the time for it to become more
[1:19:00] spontaneous.
[1:19:01] Um, but even if you're princing matter
[1:19:03] just with the words and you don't feel
[1:19:05] the emotion, don't think it's doing
[1:19:06] nothing. This is for everybody, right?
[1:19:09] Um, it is because it's inclining your
[1:19:12] thoughts in a wholesome direction and
[1:19:14] you're actually inhibiting any unh
[1:19:17] wholesome thought, especially any
[1:19:19] thought of ill will from be being able
[1:19:21] to enter. You're preventing it from
[1:19:23] being able to enter. So over time
[1:19:27] that will change the direction of your
[1:19:29] mind and you'll start to experience
[1:19:31] loving kindness. Just don't push it.
[1:19:33] Just don't expect it to come too soon.
[1:19:35] Yeah. Does that make sense? There's
[1:19:37] loads of ways to do it though. Loads of
[1:19:39] ways. [laughter]
[1:19:41] Yeah. That you love it is the is a good
[1:19:43] sign.
[1:19:45] Okay. Tell and then chat.
[1:19:50] Are you able to unmute?
[1:19:56] You should get a little sign. If you
[1:19:58] don't, I'll send it to you again.
[1:20:03] Can anyone on mute?
[1:20:08] We need to hear you. I want to know if
[1:20:11] it's hard. It's so hot.
[1:20:15] >> Oh, yeah. She can't unmute.
[1:20:18] Hang on. We don't go up that easily.
[1:20:21] Yeah, I don't know. She seems to have
[1:20:22] dropped out as well. If you are in the
[1:20:25] room, please uh write it in the chat
[1:20:28] perhaps. Oh, sorry you didn't get good
[1:20:30] Wi-Fi. Uh Susie, right? Uh last question
[1:20:35] then. So from Georgia, please could you
[1:20:38] say more about structuring a self-led
[1:20:40] retreat when you're ill and with limited
[1:20:43] energy, balancing the urgency you
[1:20:45] mentioned, but staying sustainable?
[1:20:48] That's a big question. I mean, maybe I
[1:20:50] could actually give a talk on that at
[1:20:51] some point. Um,
[1:20:53] I mean, the main guidance I would give
[1:20:56] is that you don't have a schedule.
[1:20:59] So, you're not really structuring it too
[1:21:01] much, but if you you sort of have to
[1:21:05] gauge how much support you need. So if
[1:21:10] you feel like you have some familiarity
[1:21:12] with this and you like like being silent
[1:21:15] and alone, you might not even need to
[1:21:16] listen to much teaching. But if you
[1:21:19] think that it would be really helpful to
[1:21:20] say start the day with a guided
[1:21:22] meditation or end the day with a dama
[1:21:25] talk, then find some meditations and
[1:21:28] talks, maybe even a theme that you
[1:21:30] really uh enjoy, that you really like.
[1:21:34] Um, if you want to do a meta retreat,
[1:21:36] you could go to any of my meta retreats
[1:21:38] online, for example, or any other
[1:21:40] teachers meta retreats and you can
[1:21:42] actually follow it through. So, if you
[1:21:44] have say a week, you find a retreat
[1:21:46] that's about a week and you do that in
[1:21:48] your own space. But I would say other
[1:21:51] than the teachings, try not to have too
[1:21:53] much schedule so that you can really
[1:21:56] listen to your body and mind and
[1:21:58] generally speaking, go extremely gently.
[1:22:01] Don't um push yourself and let yourself
[1:22:05] build up the momentum naturally. So
[1:22:07] don't even measure how much you're
[1:22:09] sitting. You know, just start off
[1:22:10] sitting as long as you wish. And if you
[1:22:13] go gently with yourself, you rest a lot,
[1:22:16] especially if you have a sickness, you
[1:22:19] give your mind and your body time to
[1:22:20] re-energize.
[1:22:22] And you make that good relationship with
[1:22:25] your mind. Your mind trusts you. And
[1:22:27] over time, it gives you it wants to
[1:22:29] meditate. it wants to be with you and
[1:22:32] you'll find that you know you just get
[1:22:34] into the practice naturally. So that's
[1:22:37] one thing I would um say and like I was
[1:22:41] talking about urgency I was more saying
[1:22:44] from my own retreat this time the
[1:22:45] impermanence and the contemplation of
[1:22:48] that in many different ways. It was a
[1:22:50] direct experience actually um of big
[1:22:54] impermanences big changes that could
[1:22:56] come about in my life and other people's
[1:22:58] lives. Um,
[1:23:02] it led less to urgency
[1:23:05] and more to gratitude.
[1:23:08] And I just found that
[1:23:11] softer
[1:23:13] because gratitude also means you're
[1:23:15] valuing your opportunities. You're not
[1:23:17] frittering them away. You're not taking
[1:23:19] them for granted or or presuming they'll
[1:23:21] always be there. So, you know that, but
[1:23:25] you're also enjoying what you have.
[1:23:27] You're not kind of thinking, right, I
[1:23:29] need to practice to get something later.
[1:23:31] It's like just having the chance to
[1:23:33] practice now is already wonderful
[1:23:36] because tomorrow, I don't know, maybe
[1:23:39] I'm not even alive. I mean, I actually
[1:23:41] walked through the bush at one point and
[1:23:43] uh I went a different direction where
[1:23:47] nobody really goes because it's a big
[1:23:49] place, but I know it pretty well. And uh
[1:23:52] I was just walking across some rocks and
[1:23:54] uh there's a bit of vegetation there.
[1:23:58] And there was a massive snake like this
[1:24:00] far from my foot
[1:24:03] and it was a dugite. It was like this
[1:24:05] wide and long. And I sort of stopped and
[1:24:09] there was this delayed reaction like
[1:24:10] whoa. [laughter]
[1:24:12] And I realized, wow, you know, I was
[1:24:14] very close to stepping on that snake or
[1:24:16] it could have reared its head. And you
[1:24:18] know, nobody would have found me down
[1:24:19] there. It was a very uh a very hidden
[1:24:22] area of the monastery.
[1:24:24] And uh yeah, that could have been it.
[1:24:27] There was another time I was walking in
[1:24:29] the bush and I was a little bit um
[1:24:33] uh I don't know what you say, like um uh
[1:24:37] disregarding of a grass tree. So I
[1:24:39] thought I'll just move past the grass
[1:24:40] tree. I'll just like walk right past it.
[1:24:43] And one of the grass tree spikes,
[1:24:44] they're like really long and very sharp
[1:24:46] spikes. It went right in my ear.
[1:24:49] And I thought, my goodness, I've might
[1:24:51] have punctured my eard drum. And it was
[1:24:54] really weird cuz I actually blew down my
[1:24:56] nose and this air came out of that ear
[1:24:59] like this sound and this kind of strip
[1:25:02] of air came out of my ear. My ear was
[1:25:04] throbbing and I thought oh my goodness.
[1:25:07] So I I thought gosh you know I could
[1:25:09] have actually just through carelessness
[1:25:12] just um punctured my ear and then gone
[1:25:16] deaf and can't hear the dmer. It was
[1:25:18] just a reflection, you know, because I
[1:25:20] was really reflecting on my blessings in
[1:25:23] my life. The fact I can hear the dharma
[1:25:25] blah blah blah and I realized, yeah, you
[1:25:28] can lose it like that. Anyway, my air
[1:25:31] was okay. I think I put some tea tree in
[1:25:34] it and day by day the pain went away and
[1:25:36] uh yeah, it [laughter] was okay. Yay,
[1:25:40] Tao. We get to hear a lovely voice. If
[1:25:42] anyone has to leave, please don't worry.
[1:25:43] You you're welcome to, but if you can
[1:25:45] stay a bit longer, that's also great.
[1:25:47] How
[1:25:48] >> hi Ajan. I'm so glad to see you
[1:25:52] long time.
[1:25:53] >> Yes, finally I switched to the laptop.
[1:25:55] So maybe the other one was my
[1:25:57] >> Yeah. So it's working now. Thank you. So
[1:26:00] um you know the I just realized after
[1:26:03] being back a month now in the crazy
[1:26:06] world that we are in um that how
[1:26:08] important the kalyamita is cuz when we
[1:26:11] were surrounded or I was surrounded and
[1:26:13] it was just so wonderful because it's
[1:26:15] really supportive conditions as you
[1:26:16] mentioned and now that I'm back and what
[1:26:20] I do each morning before I meditate and
[1:26:22] in the evening is to reconfirm with the
[1:26:24] the five precepts and I recognize that
[1:26:27] right speech is really challenging And
[1:26:29] it's particularly challenging um right
[1:26:32] now because um they voted me in to be
[1:26:35] chair of this like personnel committee
[1:26:37] and we did a survey recently with our
[1:26:39] for our dean and there's you know people
[1:26:41] are very easy to say negative comments
[1:26:45] and I'm tasked for tomorrow to do a
[1:26:48] report in front of all the faculty and
[1:26:49] everything and I told my colleagues you
[1:26:52] know I'm trying to keep the vow of kind
[1:26:54] speech not to have like you know say
[1:26:57] things but at the other hand and I
[1:27:00] remember when a John Cha said you know
[1:27:02] what is suffering it's your defilements
[1:27:04] you know when there's a reaction it's
[1:27:06] usually the defilements that comes up so
[1:27:08] on one hand how to acknowledge folks
[1:27:11] feeling distress because you know let's
[1:27:13] say per perception of unfairness and
[1:27:16] recognizing that but at the other hand
[1:27:19] being supportive and kind so that we're
[1:27:21] not feeding more of the negative
[1:27:24] thinking but yet at the same time don't
[1:27:27] >> um but yet at the same time you have to
[1:27:29] acknowledge when things are not going
[1:27:30] well.
[1:27:31] >> Yeah.
[1:27:31] >> So I'm really challenged right now to
[1:27:33] like maintain that right speech in a way
[1:27:35] >> that affirms people feeling but
[1:27:37] [clears throat] not
[1:27:38] >> Yeah.
[1:27:40] >> I guess it's I guess it's trying to
[1:27:43] avoid a language of blame to some extent
[1:27:46] right so focusing on a person as having
[1:27:50] been you know the cause for something to
[1:27:52] go wrong but maybe more of a we what can
[1:27:54] we do here? What can we do in this
[1:27:57] situation? How can we bring out you know
[1:28:00] the good qualities in this person that
[1:28:03] we see and we acknowledge and we value?
[1:28:06] So certainly talking about those
[1:28:08] qualities to the person but then maybe
[1:28:11] talking about how we can bring out more
[1:28:12] of that or less of something else
[1:28:15] together perhaps rather than you know
[1:28:19] this is the way that you're not
[1:28:20] performing well or [sighs] huh it's very
[1:28:23] tricky. I mean certainly intention is
[1:28:25] one part of it and if your intention is
[1:28:27] to be kind certainly they will pick that
[1:28:30] up in the speech and it will have less
[1:28:32] of a detrimental impact.
[1:28:34] >> But if it is some kind of feedback that
[1:28:38] has to be said and you've tried your
[1:28:41] best to be kind and still the person
[1:28:42] gets hurt. I think sometimes you it's
[1:28:46] just caring for ourel because it's
[1:28:49] uncomfortable for everybody and you can
[1:28:50] actually say to them look it's I'm
[1:28:52] really sorry that you're hurt and this
[1:28:54] is really uncomfortable for me as well
[1:28:55] because that's not really you know what
[1:28:59] I intend and I feel myself really
[1:29:02] uncomfortable about that. you can share
[1:29:04] some of your vulnerability perhaps and
[1:29:06] that might make them feel like oh it's
[1:29:08] not just me that finds this difficult
[1:29:10] maybe. Um
[1:29:14] yeah, I don't know if that makes much
[1:29:15] sense cuz I don't know the exact
[1:29:18] situation. So it's kind of
[1:29:22] tricky and I guess you're also dealing
[1:29:23] with other people who might not be
[1:29:25] having right speech in that situation
[1:29:27] and then [clears throat] maybe you feel
[1:29:28] like you have to kind of compensate for
[1:29:30] that. I don't know.
[1:29:33] >> Yes. And then you you know but it's also
[1:29:35] each of us is also responsible for
[1:29:38] paying attention to our mind right and
[1:29:40] >> I can't say this in like with counting
[1:29:42] on me it makes more sense right because
[1:29:43] we're all cultivating the same attention
[1:29:45] now you're in a world not everyone's
[1:29:47] cultivating like accountability and
[1:29:49] paying attention through their own mind
[1:29:52] so it's really tricky right because it's
[1:29:54] like
[1:29:54] >> it is
[1:29:56] >> because part of it's like these the
[1:29:58] unkindness when they write it's also
[1:30:00] like wait a minute don't put the blame
[1:30:02] on everybody else It's also how you are
[1:30:04] reacting to whatever is even if it's
[1:30:06] unfair. Right.
[1:30:08] >> Right. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean
[1:30:11] >> we can only do our best to practice
[1:30:14] right speech and kind intention. But if
[1:30:17] something's difficult to hear and the
[1:30:18] person reacts and becomes you know maybe
[1:30:22] volatile or even mean or you know
[1:30:24] retaliates in some way then that
[1:30:27] responsibility for that is with them.
[1:30:29] And I guess compassion is the best
[1:30:31] response. You know, having compassion,
[1:30:34] realizing this person,
[1:30:36] that's where they're at. They don't have
[1:30:39] another way to respond. They don't know
[1:30:40] another way to respond. Maybe they're
[1:30:42] really suffering. Maybe they're having a
[1:30:44] hard time already in their life. And not
[1:30:45] to feel guilty about that, but just to
[1:30:48] realize, yeah, this person is suffering
[1:30:50] in some way. And to have compassion, but
[1:30:52] in the end, you know, they have to work
[1:30:54] that out for themsel. the other day or
[1:30:57] was it yesterday or today? I was um
[1:31:00] [laughter] I was having fun creating
[1:31:02] some little tunes for um some words of
[1:31:05] meta, some words of uh compassion, some
[1:31:08] words of muda and some words of
[1:31:09] equinimity and uh and putting them to a
[1:31:12] little tune and uh the words of
[1:31:14] equinimity were like something like even
[1:31:18] though I always wish the best for you, I
[1:31:21] have to accept that your comer will
[1:31:23] carry you along. something like this
[1:31:25] like I can have no matter what my best
[1:31:28] intentions are for you. No matter how
[1:31:30] much I try to be kind, you know, in the
[1:31:33] end you [clears throat] are responsible
[1:31:36] for your own happiness and suffering.
[1:31:38] You know, I can do my best, but
[1:31:41] the responsibility lies with each
[1:31:43] individual, each of us to uh yeah, to
[1:31:47] not allow ourselves to slip into unh
[1:31:49] wholesome states.
[1:31:51] And you know sometimes it's hard for us
[1:31:53] to see another person doing that and
[1:31:54] that's when we need compassion for ourel
[1:31:56] as well right to sit with that
[1:31:58] discomfort because it's discomforting
[1:32:00] for ourself. So I think don't take
[1:32:03] yourself out of the picture there like
[1:32:04] be kind to yourself in that situation
[1:32:06] cuz it's not easy and there might not be
[1:32:09] a perfect solution. And there might just
[1:32:11] be suffering a lot you know some
[1:32:13] suffering for that person but it is
[1:32:15] impermanent
[1:32:17] and time maybe they can grow
[1:32:21] I don't know yeah it's tricky I mean I
[1:32:24] don't suppose most of us are always with
[1:32:26] kolan mittas kanomitas are like
[1:32:28] spiritual friends other practitioners
[1:32:30] um yeah it's very tricky
[1:32:36] so yeah compassion for yourself as well
[1:32:38] before you go in like you know accepting
[1:32:41] that this is a vulnerable situation and
[1:32:43] like yeah
[1:32:46] feeling the sadness of that sometimes
[1:32:49] that's okay.
[1:32:50] >> Yeah.
[1:32:51] >> So it's not a violation of right speech
[1:32:54] if we have to share
[1:32:56] some you know
[1:32:57] >> no words. Okay. Well, it depends how you
[1:32:59] do it and what you say. But if you're
[1:33:01] not talking about a person being bad,
[1:33:03] you're talking about behaviors not being
[1:33:05] quite, you know, skillful or giving them
[1:33:08] some sense of how they can improve, then
[1:33:11] that's feedback intended for a purpose,
[1:33:13] right? I mean, the Buddha is not saying
[1:33:15] never say anything that a person won't
[1:33:17] like. He used to say things. He used to
[1:33:20] say, you know, this foolish man, this
[1:33:22] foolish man has misunderstood the ta. He
[1:33:25] could be quite strong sometimes because
[1:33:27] he was trying to wake somebody up and
[1:33:29] say, you know, hey, you're going the
[1:33:30] wrong way here.
[1:33:33] >> So yeah, it's not bad speech just
[1:33:35] because someone won't like it or, you
[1:33:36] know, it'll cause distress. That's just
[1:33:39] life. That's just life is suffering.
[1:33:41] It's difficult. You know, there's no way
[1:33:43] we can live in the world and not cause
[1:33:44] harm. Even the Buddha upset people. So
[1:33:49] it's just part and parcel of being a
[1:33:51] human being in this world.
[1:33:54] Yeah, I know. And by the way, I have
[1:33:56] confidence because the fact that you
[1:33:57] care so much means that you're
[1:33:59] definitely not doing this to harm and
[1:34:00] they will pick up on that.
[1:34:03] They'll know the difference. Yeah,
[1:34:06] super. All right, so it's pretty much
[1:34:08] time for us to wrap up. Um,
[1:34:12] yeah, thanks to the co-hosts for dealing
[1:34:14] with the strange comment.
[1:34:17] >> [laughter]
[1:34:18] >> Um and thank you to everybody for being
[1:34:21] here and turning up in such big numbers.
[1:34:24] Uh normally Manori says a few words
[1:34:26] about how you can support us. Shall I
[1:34:27] just do that and just say hey you know
[1:34:29] you can support us and uh now that we're
[1:34:32] back you can feed us as well. So great
[1:34:35] gratitude to everybody who contributes
[1:34:38] anything ever. you know, ongoing
[1:34:40] contributions are always extremely
[1:34:42] welcome because they help us plan and
[1:34:44] they give us a sense of you know, yeah,
[1:34:46] there's this support behind us and um
[1:34:50] you know, we can pay our bills and
[1:34:52] things like this and it doesn't have to
[1:34:54] be much. And um wow, that's cool. You've
[1:34:57] got like a little preview up there with
[1:34:59] the donate button. Uh yeah, you can also
[1:35:01] come and stay. There's not heaps and
[1:35:04] heaps of space left this year as in next
[1:35:07] year through Tovasa, but there is space.
[1:35:11] Um, many of you have already booked in
[1:35:13] and you know, I'm sure we can fit more
[1:35:15] of you in as well. Uh, how else can
[1:35:17] people help? You can volunteer at
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[1:35:21] That's the best. All right. So, take
[1:35:23] good care. Oh, and feed us as well.
[1:35:26] That's important if you wish. You don't
[1:35:28] have to. I'm just saying you can, you
[1:35:30] know, cuz we're not allowed to ask for
[1:35:31] these things. But there's an opportunity
[1:35:33] there to be part of um helping spread
[1:35:36] the dummer in this world because that's
[1:35:38] what we try to do all of us in our own
[1:35:40] way. So thank you for being here and I
[1:35:43] couldn't say hello to everybody but I
[1:35:45] think I'm I've seen most of you. Hi
[1:35:48] Sean.
[1:35:50] Yeah. And uh yeah see you soon. What's
[1:35:53] happening next week? Anything? Mainly a
[1:35:56] bra isn't it? Uh Wednesday chanting.
[1:36:01] I'll be there for the Wednesday chanting
[1:36:03] and uh I don't know you can look on the
[1:36:05] website. I'll be back. Take care. Lovely
[1:36:08] to see you all. Ciao.