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Inspiration

Alchemy's Wet Path and Dry Path: Fire Versus Practice

Damien Echols
Damien Echols
Oct 31, 2026
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Damien Echols opened a live YouTube stream on the alchemical "wet path" and "dry path" with a claim that cuts against how most people hear the terms: the two are not competing routes to the same place, and in his own life they were never separate. Echols, who spent years on death row before his release, frames the distinction through the stages of the alchemical process he is writing about in a planned trilogy, beginning with nigredo, the stage he describes as disintegration and "the dark knight of the soul." What follows is a close reading of that stream, drawn from the portion of the 44-minute broadcast available for this piece. Where the transcript is garbled, the aim is to stick to the sense of what he said rather than fill in words he did not speak.

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Why does Echols say the wet and dry paths aren't separate?

Early in the stream, Echols sets his thesis before he defines anything. "From my own personal experience and my own personal perspective," he says, "the wet path and the dry path are not two mutually exclusive things." That sentence is the spine of the whole talk. Most readers who encounter the phrase in alchemical literature or in spiritual circles will hear it as a binary: you either do the slow, watery work of inner dissolution, or you go through the hot, violent work of fire. Echols is arguing that a life contains both, and that treating them as options to choose between misreads how change actually happens.

He comes at this through his own history. Echols says that when he came off death row, people assumed the story would end in relief. "When I got off of death row, I had a complete and absolute nervous breakdown and it took me a long time to be able to function in the world again." That breakdown is his clearest example of the dry path, though he never uses the word for it as a choice. It arrived uninvited. The later work of rebuilding was slower and more deliberate. In his account, the two modes ran into each other across the same years.

What is the difference between external alchemy and inner work?

The stream draws a line between two ways the term gets used. Echols describes one as external alchemy, the lab tradition of putting substances through heat and distillation, and the other as the inner process in which the practitioner is the material being transformed. The transcript here is partly broken, but the contrast he draws is clear enough: external work relies on heat, vessels and substances, while the inner version unfolds inside a person. The wet path and dry path are his way of naming two rhythms within that inner process rather than two separate laboratories.

This distinction matters because it moves the whole subject out of the realm of symbol-decoding and into the realm of ordinary life. If alchemy is a description of what happens to a person under pressure, then the question is not which ritual to perform but how one responds to what one is already living through.

How does slow, consistent practice transform a person?

On one side of his distinction, Echols places the wet path, where transformation takes place over "an extended period of consistent practice." The image he uses is of gradually dissolving something rather than burning it away. He is blunt that this is not a quick process. The transcript includes a line about people who "might spend 20 years following the wet" path, a figure he uses to push back against the expectation that transformation arrives overnight.

The wet path is not glamorous, and Echols seems to like it that way. Its work is repetitive and often invisible. You show up, you keep showing up, and something softens over time. This is the register he returns to when he describes what he has come to value most in his own practice. In a line from the stream, he says: "Doing the dishes is your spiritual practice. Folding the laundry is your spiritual practice." Elsewhere in the same broadcast he puts the principle more plainly: "It's about living where your life becomes your spiritual practice."

"Doing the dishes is your spiritual practice. Folding the laundry is your spiritual practice." (Damien Echols, YouTube livestream "Alchemy: The wet path and the dry path," approx. 13:21 onward)

What does the dry path look like in real life?

The dry path is the other rhythm: heat, pressure, and sudden change. Echols connects it to what he calls "the fire of life," the crises that alter a person whether or not they asked for them. In this register, transformation is less a matter of patient dissolution and more a matter of what survives the burn. He asks, in effect, whether a person can stay intact through the fire, and what remains afterward.

He also complicates the picture by suggesting that the dry path can be chosen, not only endured. The stream spends real time on what it means to be "consciously choosing the dry path" and what it would mean to "willingly enter" difficulty rather than wait for it to arrive. He poses a set of questions in that passage that are worth sitting with: "Is it bravery? Is it compassion? Is it" something else he leaves for the viewer to finish. The implication is that voluntarily taking on hard experience, for the sake of growth, is a different act from being broken by it, even if the fire feels similar from inside.

Echols is careful not to romanticize this. He returns repeatedly to the idea that the dry path can take you apart. The question is not whether to suffer, but whether you can bring enough attention to the suffering that it reshapes you rather than simply wrecking you.

Where do the wet and dry paths meet?

The most useful passage in the excerpt is where Echols says the two paths converge. "This is where the dry path and the wet" path meet, he says, in the sense that intense experience and steady practice are not opposed. A dry-path crisis gives you material; the wet path is how you digest it. Without practice, fire simply burns. Without fire, practice can become a comfortable routine that never touches the core of who you are.

He also gives a warning about where people go wrong. In his telling, people who take up spiritual disciplines can use them as a shelter. He describes the risk of living for comfort, which he links to a broader problem: "if you don't have a purpose in life, if you don't have a mission that you're fulfilling, that you're working on, what's going to happen is you are going to begin living for comfort and you won't like how that ends up." Practice that serves as comfort is still a kind of avoidance, even when it looks like devotion.

This is the point where Echols's language shifts from alchemy toward something more ordinary. He says that once a person goes far enough down the path, the next stage is not ascent or ritual but a deeper "immersing yourself" in the present. "I'm really not interested in spirituality anymore," he says in the stream. The remark is provocative, but in context it is a claim about where practice leads: away from seeking new experiences and toward the texture of daily life.

What does attention have to do with transformation?

Toward the later portion of the excerpt, Echols returns to attention as the faculty that makes either path work. He talks about how crucial it is to bring awareness to what is happening inside you, especially when difficult patterns arise. Some of the patterns he names are subtle: comfort, familiarity, even enjoyment can operate as obstacles, not because they are wrong but because they can quietly take over. The discipline he describes is one of noticing those forces without immediately being run by them.

That is the common thread between the wet and dry paths. Whether change arrives slowly through repetition or suddenly through crisis, the person who is changing needs enough steadiness to watch the process as it happens. In Echols's framing, the practice is not a separate spiritual project added to daily life. It is the way daily life is held.

Why this trilogy matters to Echols

The stream also places the talk inside Echols's larger project. He describes The Alchemy of the Broken Blade as the first volume of a trilogy organized around the stages of the alchemical process, with the nigredo book already in circulation and the albedo and rubedo volumes to follow. He says the series is meant to be "the culmination of my entire life's work," and calls it "everything that I have to say about the spiritual path." He notes that a workbook is also planned for the material that did not fit the first book.

That framing gives the wet-and-dry discussion a particular weight. It is not a stray lecture but a glimpse of material he says he is still developing in an advanced group setting, the kind of teaching that does not fit neatly into a book. Viewers come away with a set of ideas to test against their own lives, rather than a finished system to adopt.

Where to go from here

If the wet and dry paths interest you, start with the question Echols keeps returning to: what is actually happening in your life right now, and how are you responding to it? Notice where you are being shaped by slow, repeated practice, and where you are being shaped by fire you did not choose. Then ask where you might be using comfort or routine to avoid either one.

For the full text of the ideas, Echols points to The Alchemy of the Broken Blade, which he says came out about a month before this stream, and to the workbook he plans for next year. He also mentions his next Way of the Sword retreat in January at the Hutton Brickyards in Kingston, New York, with details posted on his social channels. Those are the places he names; the stream itself is the best place to hear his tone, which is part instruction, part confession, and part invitation to keep doing the dishes.

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[0:05] Hey guys, it says that we are live.

[0:08] Hopefully this is coming through.

[0:09] Sometimes Oh, there it started over.

[0:11] Okay, now we should be coming through.

[0:14] You should be able to hear me and see

[0:15] me. Um, first off, I just want to say

[0:18] what I normally do whenever I start off

[0:19] on here, which is apologize for not

[0:21] having the comments on where that we can

[0:23] actually have discussions. Uh, but you

[0:25] know, when you're doing stuff in a

[0:26] public format like this where just

[0:28] anybody can can see it and log on, all

[0:31] it takes is one socially inapp person to

[0:34] kind of screw the experience up for

[0:36] everybody. So, I usually keep those off.

[0:38] But, if you do want to have back and

[0:39] forth conversations, you can find me on

[0:41] Patreon. Like, when I do live streams on

[0:44] there, I always have the comments turned

[0:45] on so that it can be a back and forth

[0:47] conversation. You can ask questions,

[0:49] make comments, stuff like that. To me,

[0:51] that's honestly the the most enjoyable

[0:53] part because, you know, I always tell

[0:55] people, I know what I have to say. Uh,

[0:58] and for me, it's not always fun just

[1:00] reciting a monologue. Like, I like to

[1:02] interact with people. I like the back

[1:04] and forth, the conversation aspect of

[1:05] it. So, if you enjoy that, you want to

[1:08] participate in that. Uh, please find me

[1:11] on Patreon. You can just look up Damen

[1:13] Eckles on Patreon and find me on there.

[1:16] Uh, what was Oh, one more one other

[1:18] thing to announce before we get started.

[1:20] Uh, my next Way of the Sword retreat is

[1:23] going to be in January and it is going

[1:25] to be at this incredibly amazing place

[1:27] called the Hutton Brickyards in

[1:29] Kingston, New York. You can find the

[1:32] link to it on all of my social media

[1:34] stuff. You can find it on uh Instagram.

[1:36] You can find it on Twitter. You can find

[1:39] it on Substack. All these different

[1:41] places. I posted the link up there so

[1:43] that you can sign up to it. Uh, it is

[1:46] going to be an amazing time in an

[1:48] incredibly intimate environment. It's

[1:50] this this really big house uh in

[1:53] Kingston. I believe there's like 17

[1:55] rooms in there, so we're all going to be

[1:57] sleeping in the same house, unless you

[1:59] choose to get one of the smaller cabins

[2:01] that are also on the property, but we'll

[2:03] be eating every single meal together.

[2:05] Uh, it'll be just us there. No other

[2:07] retreats going on or anything else. Just

[2:09] us there. and it's going to be catered

[2:11] by a professional chef who makes some

[2:13] amazing food. Uh there's a bar in the

[2:17] house. There's a restaurant in the

[2:19] house. There's several fireplaces where

[2:21] we're going to be able to sit around the

[2:22] fireplace and drink hot chocolate after

[2:24] the training sessions each day. Um so

[2:28] join me there because I think it is

[2:30] going to be an absolutely uh amazing

[2:33] time and I cannot wait for it already.

[2:36] What we're going to be talking about

[2:38] tonight is something uh in alchemy that

[2:41] you come across. You hear sometimes

[2:42] called the wet path and the dry path.

[2:45] And the whole reason that I wanted to

[2:47] talk about this is because from my own

[2:51] personal experience and my own personal

[2:52] perspective, the wet path and the dry

[2:55] path are not two mutually exclusive

[2:57] things.

[2:58] First off, the material that I'm going

[3:00] to go over with you go over with you

[3:02] tonight is from what will hopefully be

[3:05] in uh my next books. Um if you haven't

[3:09] seen it yet, uh this book is out right

[3:12] now. Came out about a month ago. It's

[3:14] called The Alchemy of the Broken Blade.

[3:16] And I originally pictured this book as

[3:19] the first of a trilogy. And the reason I

[3:22] was thinking of them as a trilogy is one

[3:24] for each stage of the alchemical

[3:27] process. The first stage is Negrado.

[3:29] Negrado is like the disintegration, the

[3:32] coming apart, the dark knight of the

[3:34] soul, all of that sort of stuff. And if

[3:36] you've read this already, you kind of

[3:37] know that's that's a huge part of what

[3:39] this is about. Like when I got out of

[3:41] prison and I was going through my whole

[3:42] dark night of the soul, like people

[3:44] thought once I got off death row, it was

[3:45] just going to be happily ever after. It

[3:47] was not. When I got off of death row, I

[3:49] had a complete and absolute nervous

[3:51] breakdown and it took me a long time to

[3:53] be able to function in the world again.

[3:56] And this book goes into that. But it's

[3:58] it's not just about my personal

[4:00] experience. It's about how you can use

[4:02] the things that I learned during that

[4:04] time and how I came back from that time

[4:06] in your own life. You know, for example,

[4:08] one of the big things that this focuses

[4:11] on is how important it is to have a

[4:14] purpose or a mission in life. Most

[4:17] people don't have that. And the thing

[4:19] is, if you don't have a purpose in life,

[4:21] if you don't have a mission that you're

[4:23] fulfilling, that you're working on,

[4:25] what's going to happen is you are going

[4:27] to begin living for comfort and you

[4:30] won't like how that ends up. You know

[4:32] what I mean by comfort is, you know, you

[4:34] eat just because you're bored and you're

[4:36] not going to like the condition that

[4:38] your body gets in if you do that. You

[4:40] spend all your time binge watching

[4:42] Netflix or, you know, whatever. all the

[4:44] things we do that everybody does some of

[4:46] these things at some point or another

[4:48] but they're things that we try to use to

[4:50] comfort ourselves whatever they are you

[4:52] know when we're chasing things like that

[4:55] we will never like the end result of

[4:58] those paths so this is about finding

[5:00] meaning and purpose in a world that

[5:02] tries to strip us of those things uh you

[5:05] know they the powers that be whatever

[5:08] you want to call it they want us focused

[5:10] on whatever the latest tragedy is what's

[5:12] the latest gossip on social media or on

[5:16] the news or whatever it is. They want to

[5:18] keep us distracted and weak and not

[5:21] working towards anything that's actually

[5:22] going to be of benefit to us in any way.

[5:25] So, a lot of this is about finding out

[5:27] how to do the reverse of that to live

[5:30] with meaning and purpose. But, so this

[5:33] was the Negrado book. The second one um

[5:36] and and keep in mind also there will be

[5:39] a workbook that accompanies this. It

[5:41] will not be out until next year, like

[5:42] next September. There will be a Alchemy

[5:44] of the Broken Blade workbook because I

[5:47] had so much material that there was no

[5:49] way to get it all into this one volume.

[5:51] So, they're going to put it in a

[5:52] workbook and and we're going to do it in

[5:55] a format to help you get even more use

[5:57] out of this material. So, don't I'm not

[6:00] talking about the workbook here. The

[6:01] workbook is something completely

[6:03] separate. But the sequel to this, the

[6:05] second of the trilogy will hopefully

[6:08] focus on the Albo stage of alchemy. And

[6:11] then the third book, the end of the

[6:14] trilogy, will focus on the rubo stage.

[6:18] By the time all of these books are

[6:20] finished, and hopefully

[6:22] the publisher wants to publish them, by

[6:25] the time they're finished, I don't

[6:28] really foresee myself writing any more

[6:30] books. I believe this is the cul this is

[6:32] the culmination of my entire life's

[6:34] work. This series, this threebook series

[6:37] will be the culmination of my entire

[6:39] life's work and it will be everything

[6:40] that I have to say about the spiritual

[6:42] path. Because the truth is, I'm really

[6:44] not interested in spirituality anymore.

[6:48] Once you go far enough down this path,

[6:51] you realize that the next part of your

[6:53] growth process is all about immersing

[6:56] yourself deeper and deeper into living

[6:59] into being here now. Not ascending to

[7:02] other realms or, you know, losing

[7:05] yourself in rituals or constantly doing

[7:07] research to find what the next thing is

[7:09] going to be. It's about living where

[7:13] your life becomes your spiritual

[7:16] practice. Doing the dishes is your

[7:18] spiritual practice. Folding the laundry

[7:20] is your spiritual practice. The way you

[7:22] talk to other people, the way you listen

[7:24] to other people, the way you eat your

[7:25] meals, the way you go for a walk in the

[7:27] morning. All of these things are your

[7:30] spiritual practice. It's not about gods

[7:33] and angels and ancestors and what

[7:36] whatever else it is that that people go

[7:38] nuts over. It is about your life. Your

[7:41] life is your path.

[7:44] But I'm talking about all this because

[7:46] what I want to share with you tonight is

[7:48] not in this book. This will be from one

[7:50] of the other two. And one of the reasons

[7:54] that I wanted to focus on this talking

[7:56] about the wet path and the dry path.

[7:58] This is something that we're kind of

[7:59] going over right now in the advanced

[8:02] magnumopus group. Uh the group that has

[8:04] been with me for several years now. Um

[8:07] this is one of the things we were

[8:08] talking about with them recently about

[8:10] the wet path and the dry path. And keep

[8:12] in mind

[8:15] there's two ways to kind of look at

[8:16] this. One is the external way and one is

[8:18] the internal way. So what I mean by the

[8:20] external way is like in traditional

[8:24] uh laboratory alchemy.

[8:27] The wet path was when you were working

[8:30] with like literally wet substances, you

[8:33] know, like you're using alcohol to

[8:35] remove plant essences from the plants

[8:37] and you're using a distillation kit

[8:39] where you evaporate it and then condense

[8:42] it and you get the essential oils off of

[8:44] there and all that stuff. That's the wet

[8:46] path. The dry path externally looked

[8:49] more like using things like powders and

[8:52] metals, uh, things that were literally

[8:55] dry.

[8:56] However,

[8:58] drawing a line between internal alchemy

[9:00] and external alchemy is almost

[9:04] there's almost no point in even trying

[9:06] to do that because this is what they

[9:07] mean when they say in alchemy the

[9:09] laboratory doesn't lie. It means that

[9:11] whatever you're doing externally is

[9:13] going to have an effect on you

[9:15] internally. But also what you're doing

[9:17] externally is going to be a reflection

[9:19] of your internal state. Like if you mess

[9:22] something up, you get something wrong,

[9:24] whatever it is, it's not a complete

[9:26] loss. Like that's telling you where in

[9:28] yourself the work is still to be done,

[9:30] right? So that external and internal

[9:33] thing, there is such an overlap there

[9:36] that it's not like doing like procedural

[9:40] alchemy, you know, like making like

[9:42] putting stuff through a distillation

[9:43] kit. That is not just an external thing.

[9:46] That is an internal practice. Just like

[9:48] when you're up and you're going around

[9:49] the room and you're drawing hexogs and

[9:51] pentagrams and vibrating divine names of

[9:53] angels, all that kind of stuff. It looks

[9:55] like you're doing something externally,

[9:57] but you're doing something to yourself

[9:59] internally. So procedural alchemy is the

[10:02] same way. So there really is no line

[10:07] between the external and the internal.

[10:08] You know, as above, so below, as within,

[10:10] so without. It's the same thing. Well,

[10:13] it's the same way with the wet path and

[10:15] the dry path. Some people will try to

[10:18] make make these things seem as if

[10:20] there's a straight dividing line and the

[10:22] wet path is this and the dry path is

[10:24] this, right? But

[10:27] that's not the way it works. That's not

[10:29] how it is. Like there is an overlap and

[10:32] you'll see that in what I'm about to

[10:35] read to you tonight. So the first thing

[10:36] that I want to go over with you, one

[10:39] second just to find it.

[10:44] One second.

[10:46] Okay. So the first thing the first piece

[10:48] is just talking about what these paths

[10:50] are the wet path and the dry path in

[10:53] alchemy. So in traditional alchemy there

[10:55] are two principle approaches to

[10:57] accomplishing the great work known as

[11:00] the wet path and the dry path. Although

[11:03] these originally referred to different

[11:05] methods of working with physical

[11:07] substances like I was just telling you

[11:09] about, they also provide a useful way of

[11:12] understanding how human transformation

[11:14] takes place, how we change. The wet path

[11:18] is generally considered the slower and

[11:21] more gradual approach. Well, if it's

[11:23] slower and more gradual, why would

[11:25] anyone choose it? Because it's seen as

[11:27] safer. it's not as as tumultuous

[11:30] uh and earth shaking whenever you're

[11:33] experiencing it, you know, like

[11:34] meditating every day. Not going to talk

[11:36] about that yet because I go into it in

[11:38] here. Um the wet path is generally

[11:41] considered the slower and more gradual

[11:43] approach. It involves repeated cycles of

[11:46] dissolution, purification, and

[11:48] refinement. The dry path on the other

[11:51] hand relies on more intensive heat and

[11:54] force attempting to accomplish

[11:56] transformation much more rapidly.

[12:00] Both seek the same result but they

[12:03] approach it differently. Both are

[12:05] seeking to complete the great work. When

[12:08] we apply these principles to our own

[12:10] consciousness, the distinction becomes

[12:12] easier to understand.

[12:15] The wet path is the path of gradual

[12:17] development. It's what happens when

[12:20] someone dedicates themselves to

[12:22] something like meditation, martial arts,

[12:25] or another discipline that slowly

[12:27] changes the way that they experience the

[12:29] world. They there may not be any

[12:32] dramatic big instantaneous

[12:35] breakthroughs.

[12:36] Instead, the transformation takes place

[12:39] through thousands of tiny adjustments

[12:43] day after day.

[12:45] Think about someone who begins

[12:46] practicing meditation, for example. At

[12:49] first, they may be unable to sit still

[12:52] for five minutes without becoming

[12:54] overwhelmed by their own thoughts. But

[12:57] after a year of daily practice, they

[12:59] begin noticing that their thoughts no

[13:01] longer have quite the same power over

[13:03] them. After five years, they may

[13:05] discover that situations which once

[13:08] provoked intense anger barely even

[13:11] disturb them now. They haven't

[13:13] experienced some tremendous

[13:15] instantaneous revelation. They've simply

[13:18] become a different person through this

[13:21] extended period of consistent practice.

[13:25] Martial arts works exactly the same way.

[13:29] You practice the exact same movements

[13:31] thousands of times, gradually correcting

[13:34] your mistakes. Eventually, things that

[13:37] once required tremendous concentration

[13:40] become effortless.

[13:42] But something else also begins to happen

[13:45] in the process. You're also developing

[13:48] patience, discipline, awareness, and the

[13:52] ability to remain calm under pressure.

[13:55] This is the wet path.

[13:58] Keeping in mind when I get to the second

[13:59] part where I'm talking about martial

[14:01] arts and meditation and calling it the

[14:03] wet path here, those things can also be

[14:05] the dry path, but we'll get to that in a

[14:07] minute. The dry path is different.

[14:10] Rather than gradually dissolving our

[14:13] habitual patterns, it involves

[14:15] experiences intense enough to shatter

[14:18] them all at once. This might happen

[14:21] through a profound spiritual experience,

[14:24] a confrontation with death, or a crisis

[14:27] that completely dismantles someone's

[14:29] understanding of themselves.

[14:32] For example, someone might spend decades

[14:35] believing that their career, their

[14:37] profession, their social position, that

[14:40] these things define who they are. Then

[14:43] they experience a serious illness or

[14:45] narrowly escape death. Suddenly,

[14:49] everything they previously considered

[14:51] important seems absolutely meaningless.

[14:54] Their entire understanding of life and

[14:57] what's important in life changes like

[15:00] that. or at least overnight.

[15:04] Something similar can happen through

[15:06] intensive spiritual practice. A person

[15:08] may experience a sudden collapse of

[15:11] their ordinary sense of self, leaving

[15:13] them unable to see the world in the same

[15:16] way ever again. But there's an important

[15:19] distinction here that I believe is often

[15:22] overlooked. A traumatic experience is

[15:26] not necessarily a transformative

[15:28] experience.

[15:30] Sometimes people mistake psychological

[15:32] devastation for spiritual development.

[15:35] They assume that because someone has

[15:37] suffered tremendously, they must have

[15:40] acquired wisdom. But suffering can just

[15:44] as easily leave someone frightened,

[15:47] bitter, and disconnected from life. How

[15:49] do I know this? Because I've been there.

[15:52] That's what spawned this book. Alchemy

[15:54] of the Broken Blade. That's where this

[15:56] came from. my experiences with going

[15:58] through that shattering.

[16:01] The fire doesn't automatically produce

[16:03] gold. Sometimes it simply destroys the

[16:07] material or the person.

[16:17] And even when an experience produces

[16:19] genuine insight, that insight doesn't

[16:22] necessarily change someone's behavior. A

[16:26] person can experience the complete

[16:27] dissolution of their ego during

[16:29] meditation and still behave selfishly

[16:32] the following morning. This is why you

[16:35] see gurus, you know, people will say,

[16:36] "Oh, that guy must be a fraud. That guy

[16:38] must be a charlatan because he did this

[16:41] or he did that and it seems like an

[16:43] enlightened person would never do that."

[16:45] Well, what does enlightenment mean?

[16:47] Enlightenment just means you experience

[16:48] the dissolution of self. Doesn't mean

[16:50] you're perfect. doesn't mean that you've

[16:53] integrated all of the unconscious crap

[16:55] that you've spent your entire life

[16:57] building up. That takes time. It takes

[17:00] time and everybody develops in different

[17:03] areas at different rates of speed.

[17:06] So, this brings us to something

[17:08] interesting about the relationship

[17:10] between the two paths, the the wet path

[17:12] and the dry path. I don't think they're

[17:15] necessarily separate. I don't think you

[17:17] can draw an arbitrary line saying this

[17:20] is that and this is the other. Someone

[17:22] might spend 20 years following the wet

[17:25] path gradually preparing themselves for

[17:27] a realization that occurs in a single

[17:30] instant. So the wet path brought you to

[17:33] an instantaneous change which is what

[17:35] the dry path does. From the outside, it

[17:39] looks like sudden enlightenment. But

[17:41] without those 20 years of preparation,

[17:44] the experience might never have occurred

[17:47] or the person might not have even been

[17:49] able to understand what it was that they

[17:51] just experienced.

[17:53] Likewise, and I know that sounds crazy,

[17:55] but it's it's absolutely true. You can

[17:57] have the experience of the dissolution

[17:58] of self and not realize like what what

[18:01] even happened to you. You know something

[18:03] happened to you, but you you can't even

[18:05] figure out what. Well, you don't hear

[18:06] about that kind of stuff in most

[18:08] spiritual books or people talking about

[18:10] it or anything else. It's like, "Oh, I

[18:12] went through this enlightenment

[18:13] experience and I knew it." No, sometimes

[18:15] you can go through the disintegration of

[18:17] self and h and not even be able to

[18:19] understand what just happened to you.

[18:21] Especially if you aren't part of like a

[18:22] lineage or a tradition where the stuff

[18:24] is even talked about.

[18:27] In other words, the wet path can prepare

[18:29] us for the dry path. And the dry path

[18:32] can lead us back to the wet path.

[18:36] And there's another distinction worth

[18:38] considering. We can deliberately choose

[18:41] gradual practice, but we can't always

[18:44] choose the experiences that radically

[18:46] change us. Life sometimes subjects us to

[18:50] the fire, whether we're prepared for it

[18:52] or not. And trying to manufacture a

[18:55] crisis in the hope of achieving

[18:57] enlightenment is an extremely dangerous

[19:00] misunderstanding of the process.

[19:03] I won't talk too much about this because

[19:06] it's kind of a personal thing to

[19:07] everybody involved, but I've known of

[19:10] people who did not survive trying to

[19:14] orchestrate like this this uh you know

[19:20] crisis moment in their life

[19:23] in hopes of achieving enlightenment.

[19:25] They did not survive the process.

[19:28] This is one reason I've come to place so

[19:30] much importance on ordinary daily

[19:33] discipline. We tend to romanticize

[19:36] sudden transformation.

[19:38] People want the dramatic breakthrough,

[19:41] the overwhelming revelation, the

[19:43] experience that changes everything in an

[19:46] instant. But what happens the following

[19:48] morning after that? What happens when

[19:51] you have to deal with frustration or

[19:53] disappointment or boredom or the

[19:55] ordinary difficulties that we all

[19:57] experience from being human? That is

[20:01] where your transformation is going to be

[20:03] truly tested.

[20:05] The purpose of alchemy was never simply

[20:08] to produce these extraordinary

[20:10] experiences that you hear people

[20:12] describe. The purpose of it is to

[20:15] produce something stable, to make us

[20:19] stable. to make us something that can

[20:21] withstand the fire of life, the fire of

[20:26] experience without being destroyed by

[20:28] it. And I think that's an important way

[20:30] of understanding the great work. The

[20:33] goal isn't to become someone who's

[20:35] experienced extraordinary things, you

[20:37] know, to become special through this

[20:39] stuff. That's just ego wearing robes,

[20:42] you know. The the goal isn't to become

[20:44] someone who has experienced

[20:45] extraordinary things. It's to become

[20:48] someone who can meet ordinary life with

[20:51] extraordinary clarity. Whether we arrive

[20:54] there through water or fire, the proof

[20:58] of transformation is found in one thing.

[21:02] How we live each day of our lives.

[21:05] So that's the first one where I'm just

[21:07] talking about like the differences in

[21:09] the wet path and the dry path of

[21:10] alchemy. Second thing I'm going to leave

[21:12] you with, I want to go deeper into the

[21:15] dry path,

[21:18] talking a little bit more about this.

[21:24] And there may be a little bit of overlap

[21:26] in here. Like for example, the first

[21:29] sentence I talk about how there's two

[21:30] approaches to accomplishing the great

[21:32] work. It's something you've read from

[21:34] the other one, but this one does go into

[21:35] things that the other one did.

[21:38] So in alchemy there are two approaches

[21:40] to accomplishing the great work.

[21:41] Traditionally known as the wet path and

[21:43] the dry path. The wet path is associated

[21:46] with gradual transformation, dissolution

[21:49] and purification. The dry path is

[21:52] associated with intense heat, fire and

[21:54] rapid transformation.

[21:56] These originally referred to different

[21:58] ways of working with physical substances

[22:00] but they can also be understood as

[22:02] descriptions of the process of

[22:04] transforming ourselves.

[22:07] One of the questions I sometimes hear is

[22:09] how someone would consciously choose to

[22:12] follow the dry path. Like what I mean

[22:15] when people ask these questions,

[22:17] essentially what they're asking is what

[22:19] would it look like to follow the dry

[22:21] path in everyday life? Like how does

[22:23] that look? How do you do that? You know,

[22:26] how would someone deliberately enter the

[22:28] fire rather than waiting for life to put

[22:30] them through? You know, because

[22:34] crisis and things that change us, we

[22:36] don't always control when those happen

[22:37] to us. I didn't when I went to death

[22:39] row, I didn't control that. I had no

[22:41] control over that. It's not like I set

[22:43] that in motion. So, you know, other than

[22:46] something happening to us like that

[22:47] that's not of our own accord. Uh how do

[22:51] we get to that point?

[22:53] So I think the first thing to understand

[22:55] is that choosing the dry path means

[22:57] making a conscious decision to stop

[23:00] avoiding the things that need to change

[23:03] within yourself. That's the first thing.

[23:05] Stop lying to yourself. Stop making

[23:07] excuses about the things that you know

[23:10] need to change in you. Maybe you gossip

[23:12] too much. Maybe you're lazy. Maybe you

[23:15] talk down to people who can't do

[23:18] anything to you. Whatever it is, first

[23:20] step is coming to terms with the things

[23:23] about yourself that are less than

[23:24] perfect. That's that's a mandatory

[23:27] thing. Nothing else can happen until we

[23:29] do that first. So the first thing

[23:32] understand that choosing the dry path

[23:33] means making the conscious decision to

[23:35] to stop avoiding the things that need to

[23:38] change within yourself. Instead of

[23:40] waiting for circumstances to gradually

[23:43] wear away your attachments, habits, and

[23:46] illusions, you deliberately begin

[23:48] confronting them. For example, imagine

[23:52] someone who realizes that most of their

[23:54] life has been controlled by fear. And

[23:56] some people do not know this. I know

[23:59] people that are absolutely controlled by

[24:01] fear and don't have the first clue that

[24:02] that's what's dictating their actions

[24:04] most of the time. So, the first step is

[24:06] coming to the realization of it.

[24:09] uh fear of rejection, fear of failure,

[24:12] fear of being alone, fear of what other

[24:14] people think about you. These fears have

[24:17] been making their decisions for them for

[24:20] so long that they no longer even

[24:22] recognize what's happening. They simply

[24:25] believe that that's the way that they

[24:27] are. Someone following the wet path

[24:30] might gradually work through these fears

[24:32] through meditation, reflection, and

[24:35] ordinary experiences of life. Over time,

[24:38] they begin to recognize their patterns

[24:40] and loosen their grip on them. Someone

[24:43] consciously choosing the dry path might

[24:46] take a much more direct approach. If

[24:49] they're afraid of being alone, for

[24:51] example, they might deliberately

[24:53] establish a period of solitude. If

[24:56] they're afraid of failure, they might

[24:58] dedicate themselves to learning

[25:00] something difficult where failure is

[25:02] going to be inevitable to some degree.

[25:06] If they're dependent upon the approval

[25:08] of other people, they might begin making

[25:10] decisions based upon their own

[25:12] principles, even when those decisions

[25:15] are unpopular with the masses.

[25:19] Instead of waiting for life to expose

[25:21] their attachments, they deliberately

[25:23] create circumstances in which those

[25:26] attachments become impossible to ignore.

[25:29] This is what it means to willingly enter

[25:32] the fire. But there's something

[25:34] important that needs to be understood.

[25:36] The dry path is not simply about making

[25:39] your life more difficult.

[25:42] Difficulty by itself doesn't necessarily

[25:45] accomplish anything. There are people

[25:48] who suffer tremendously throughout their

[25:50] whole lives without ever becoming any

[25:52] wiser, any more compassionate, or any

[25:55] more conscious.

[25:57] Sometimes suffering simply makes people

[26:00] bitter and resentful.

[26:02] For the dry path to actually accomplish

[26:05] anything, there has to be a clear

[26:08] intention behind it. You have to know

[26:11] what you're trying to cultivate within

[26:13] yourself. Like is it patience? Is it

[26:16] bravery? Is it compassion? Is it

[26:19] generosity? Like what? Like that's the

[26:21] first thing. What am I actively

[26:23] intentionally trying to cultivate within

[26:25] myself? That's the first thing.

[26:28] Maybe your intention is to become less

[26:30] reactive. Maybe it's to develop

[26:32] discipline or overcome fear or stop

[26:35] allowing unconscious habits to determine

[26:37] the direction of your life. Whatever it

[26:40] is, that intention becomes the

[26:42] organizing principle around which you

[26:44] begin structuring your days. This brings

[26:48] us to another important aspect of

[26:49] alchemy, which is the vessel. In

[26:52] traditional alchemy, the vessel was just

[26:55] as important as the fire. Without

[26:58] something capable of containing the

[27:00] process, the material would be destroyed

[27:03] or scattered. The heat had to be applied

[27:06] within a controlled environment. And the

[27:10] same principle applies to inner

[27:12] transformation. The transformation in

[27:14] us. The vessel is our practice. It's the

[27:18] structure of our practice. It's the

[27:20] discipline that allows you to undergo

[27:22] difficult experiences without becoming

[27:25] overwhelmed by them. For one person,

[27:28] this might mean establishing a daily

[27:30] meditation practice. For another, it

[27:32] might be dedicating themselves to music,

[27:35] art, or some other kind of demanding

[27:37] craft. For me, martial arts and sword

[27:40] training provide an excell excellent

[27:43] example of what this process looks like,

[27:46] which is once again why I call this book

[27:48] the alchemy of the broken blade because

[27:50] so much of it of my healing process

[27:52] comes through the sword.

[27:56] And it's why I do retreats on the sword.

[27:59] When you begin practicing a traditional

[28:01] martial art, you voluntarily enter an

[28:04] environment where your weaknesses are

[28:06] constantly exposed.

[28:08] You discover that you're not as strong,

[28:11] as coordinated, as patient, or as

[28:14] disciplined as you imagined yourself to

[28:16] be. You have to make mistakes in front

[28:19] of other people. You become frustrated.

[28:22] You encounter the limitations of your

[28:24] body and of your attention. And then you

[28:27] still have to return the following day.

[28:30] You practice the same movements over and

[28:32] over. You repeat things you've already

[28:35] done thousands of times. You discover

[28:38] that progress doesn't always happen

[28:40] according to your expectations.

[28:42] Sometimes you spend weeks working on

[28:45] something and feel as though you're

[28:46] getting absolutely nowhere. And this is

[28:50] where the real work begins. The physical

[28:53] techniques are important, but they're

[28:55] also providing the conditions necessary

[28:57] for something deeper to happen. You're

[29:00] learning to remain present when things

[29:02] become uncomfortable. You're learning to

[29:04] experience frustration without being

[29:07] controlled by it. You're learning that

[29:09] failure doesn't have to become part of

[29:12] your identity.

[29:17] So, just to take a tiny break for just a

[29:20] second. We don't have a lot longer to

[29:22] go, but I would just wanted to say that

[29:25] one of the ways that I did this work in

[29:27] my own life, in my own self,

[29:30] was competing in karate tournaments. Um,

[29:33] I don't know if you can see him or not.

[29:35] You see the the dummy back here in the

[29:37] background? You see all the little

[29:38] metals around his neck? Can't figure out

[29:41] which way to point my finger. It may be

[29:43] too far away for you to see. All of

[29:45] those came from karate tournaments that

[29:47] I competed in. Martial arts tournaments.

[29:50] I didn't enjoy them. Not in the

[29:53] traditional sense that you think of when

[29:55] you think of enjoying something. I did

[29:57] it because I was scared to do it. I did

[29:59] it because I was, you know, super

[30:02] self-conscious. Like, you do this inside

[30:04] of a a gymnasium full of people, you

[30:08] know, an auditorium full of people who

[30:09] are watching you. They will watch you if

[30:12] you fall and and fall flat on your butt

[30:15] on the floor. They're going to see you

[30:18] if you get beat. You know, it's it's a

[30:21] very very humbling thing. And it was not

[30:24] enjoyable to me. And that's why I made

[30:26] myself do it. I made myself do it in

[30:29] order to face my fear and to face what I

[30:33] felt about what other people would think

[30:34] of me. When you go through something

[30:37] like that, it strips that away from you.

[30:39] Maybe not all at once, not the first

[30:41] time. I did it multiple multiple times,

[30:43] many times. I don't even remember how

[30:45] many tournaments I was in now. Uh some

[30:47] of which I absolutely did not win

[30:49] medals. Some of I I came in very very

[30:52] bottom, you know, not anywhere near

[30:55] first, second, or third place.

[30:57] Uh, but that was one of the ways that I

[31:00] put myself on the dry path was through

[31:03] tournaments, martial arts tournaments.

[31:06] Most people spend their lives reacting

[31:09] automatically to whatever arises within

[31:12] them. Someone insults them and they

[31:14] become angry. Someone frightens them and

[31:17] they immediately retreat. Their pride is

[31:20] wounded and they feel compelled to

[31:22] defend themselves. They experience

[31:24] discomfort and their first impulse is to

[31:27] try to escape it. These reactions happen

[31:30] so quickly that people rarely recognize

[31:34] they even have a choice. The dry path

[31:37] involves deliberately placing yourself

[31:39] in situations where these patterns

[31:41] become visible and then learning to

[31:44] remain present instead of automatically

[31:46] reacting. When anger arises, you observe

[31:50] it rather than immediately acting upon

[31:52] it. When fear arises, you examine it

[31:55] rather than allowing it to make your

[31:57] decisions. When your ego is wounded, you

[32:00] resist the impulse to immediately defend

[32:02] the image that you have of yourself. You

[32:05] allow the experience to reveal something

[32:08] about you to yourself.

[32:11] This is what alchemists were pointing

[32:12] toward when they spoke of applying heat

[32:14] to the material. The fire exposes what

[32:18] is unstable. It reveals what cannot

[32:21] withstand pressure. But there's another

[32:24] aspect of this that I think people

[32:26] sometimes overlook and that is that the

[32:29] dry path requires tremendous honesty.

[32:33] It's easy to convince yourself that

[32:35] you're under growing undergoing some

[32:37] great spiritual transformation when all

[32:39] you're really doing is reinforcing your

[32:42] existing personality.

[32:44] Someone might adopt extreme disciplines

[32:46] and austerities, then become proud of

[32:49] how much suffering they can endure. They

[32:51] begin looking down upon people who

[32:53] haven't chosen the same path. And I've

[32:56] been guilty of that. Everything that I

[32:58] write comes from my own firsthand

[32:59] experiences. I've been guilty of looking

[33:02] down on people because they chose not to

[33:04] enter situations that were hard or

[33:06] difficult or because they clung to

[33:08] comfort or familiarity. I have

[33:10] absolutely looked down on people for

[33:12] that.

[33:13] And that's just ego. That's my own ego.

[33:18] In that case, the practice has simply

[33:20] given the ego another identity to hide

[33:23] behind. Instead of becoming less

[33:25] attached, they become attached to being

[33:28] someone who practices detachment.

[33:30] Instead of becoming more conscious, they

[33:32] develop a new set of unconscious habits.

[33:36] This is why the fire has to be

[33:38] regulated. If there's too little heat,

[33:41] nothing changes. Too much heat and the

[33:44] vessel breaks. There's no wisdom in

[33:47] destroying yourself in the name of

[33:49] transformation.

[33:51] Rest, recovery, compassion, and ordinary

[33:56] enjoyment aren't necessarily obstacles

[33:58] to the great work. Life is not meant to

[34:01] be a drudge all the time. Sometimes

[34:04] they're precisely what allows us to

[34:07] continue the process.

[34:09] A person who constantly pushing pushes

[34:12] themselves beyond their limits may

[34:14] eventually become exhausted, injured, or

[34:16] emotionally unstable. At that point,

[34:19] they're no longer refining themselves.

[34:21] They're simply damaging the vessel. The

[34:24] purpose of discipline is to develop

[34:26] greater freedom, not to create another

[34:29] form of imprisonment. I also think it's

[34:32] important to understand that choosing

[34:34] the dry path doesn't necessarily mean

[34:36] making dramatic changes to your life.

[34:39] You don't have to abandon your family,

[34:41] give away your possessions, or disappear

[34:43] into the wilderness somewhere. You you

[34:46] can begin exactly where you are right

[34:48] now today. You can decide that you're

[34:50] going to stop avoiding difficult

[34:52] conversations that you've been putting

[34:54] off. You can commit to practicing

[34:57] something every day, even when you don't

[34:59] feel like it. You can begin examining

[35:01] the motives behind your actions instead

[35:04] of automatically assuming that they're

[35:06] justified.

[35:07] You can learn to sit quietly with

[35:09] discomfort without immediately reaching

[35:11] for something to distract yourself.

[35:14] These things might sound like they're

[35:16] simple, but anyone who seriously

[35:18] attempted to do them knows how difficult

[35:21] that they can be. And there's one other

[35:24] thing worth considering. Sometimes the

[35:26] most difficult thing for a person to do

[35:28] isn't to endure hardship. It's to stop

[35:32] creating unnecessary hardships for

[35:35] themselves.

[35:37] Someone who spent their entire life

[35:39] struggling might find it much easier to

[35:41] subject themselves to another extreme

[35:43] discipline than to simply sit quietly

[35:46] and experience peace. Someone who has

[35:49] built their identity around being strong

[35:51] might find it easier to endure physical

[35:54] pain than to admit they're frightened or

[35:56] need help. In these cases, the fire may

[36:00] look very different from what they

[36:01] expected it to look like. It might mean

[36:04] learning how to rest or accepting

[36:06] kindness. It might mean allowing

[36:09] yourself to be vulnerable without

[36:11] immediately trying to regain control of

[36:13] a situation.

[36:15] The dry path is not defined by how much

[36:18] suffering you can endure. It's defined

[36:20] by your willingness to confront whatever

[36:23] it is that you've been avoiding. And

[36:26] ultimately, all of this leads to

[36:27] something that might initially seem like

[36:29] a contradiction.

[36:31] The purpose of all this effort is to

[36:33] reach a point where effort is no longer

[36:36] necessary.

[36:38] When I talk about the ultimate goal of

[36:39] alchemy, what I'm talking about is

[36:42] embodied presence. Being here in the

[36:44] present moment, the ability to be

[36:46] completely here without constantly

[36:49] escaping into memories in the past or

[36:52] projections into the future or fantasies

[36:56] or endless commentaries of our thinking

[36:58] minds. The strange thing is that

[37:01] presence itself doesn't require any

[37:04] effort. It's already the natural

[37:07] condition of our existence. But we've

[37:10] developed so many habits of distraction

[37:13] and resistance to it and identification

[37:16] that we've forgotten how to recognize

[37:18] it. The disciplines of the dry path can

[37:21] help expose and weaken those habits. You

[37:25] deliberately enter situations that

[37:27] reveal your attachments. You practice

[37:29] remaining present when those attachments

[37:31] are challenged. Over time, you begin

[37:34] discovering that thoughts and emotions

[37:37] can arise without completely taking over

[37:39] your consciousness. See how much longer

[37:42] we have to go.

[37:46] I'll keep going. It's It's a little bit

[37:47] longer. Bear with me. I won't keep you

[37:50] on here for more than a few more

[37:52] minutes.

[38:00] So you deliberately enter situations

[38:01] that reveal your attachments.

[38:04] You practice remaining present when

[38:05] those attachments are challenged. Over

[38:08] time, you begin discovering that

[38:09] thoughts and emotions can arise without

[38:11] completely taking over your

[38:13] consciousness. Eventually, you may you

[38:16] may begin to realize that the thing

[38:17] you've been trying so hard to cultivate

[38:19] was never actually absent.

[38:22] This is where the dry path and the wet

[38:25] path ultimately meet. Both are methods

[38:28] of transformation and both eventually

[38:32] have to be abandoned.

[38:35] All spiritual practices, the Buddha

[38:37] called them a raft. He said that think

[38:40] of enlightenment

[38:42] as one side of a like there's a river

[38:46] and enlightenment is on the other shore

[38:48] and we're on this shore and we need a

[38:50] raft to cross over and these practices

[38:52] are the raft that we used to cross the

[38:54] river to get to the other side. But once

[38:56] we get to the other side, we don't carry

[38:58] the raft with us. We don't need it

[39:00] anymore. We burn it or set it a float,

[39:03] leave it alone, whatever, but we don't

[39:05] carry it with us. The point is to become

[39:08] free enough that you no longer need the

[39:10] method. And I think this is one of the

[39:13] most important things to remember when

[39:14] consciously choosing any spiritual

[39:17] discipline. The practice is a means of

[39:20] reaching something. It is not the thing

[39:23] itself. Spiritual practice is a vehicle

[39:26] to get us to a destination. It is not

[39:29] the destination. We're not supposed to

[39:31] build identities out of this stuff. I'm

[39:33] a witch. I'm a magician. I'm an

[39:35] alchemist. I'm a Christian. I'm a

[39:37] Buddhist. We're not supposed to build an

[39:39] identity out of this stuff. That's just

[39:41] more ego. We're supposed to use it as a

[39:43] vehicle to get to the point that we're

[39:45] supposed to be reaching and then we

[39:47] don't need it anymore. We discard it.

[39:51] Eventually, you have to recognize when

[39:53] the discipline has accomplished its

[39:55] purpose. You have to be willing to put

[39:58] down the tools. So, if someone asked me

[40:00] how to consciously choose the dry path,

[40:03] my answer would be relatively simple.

[40:06] Begin by identifying the things that are

[40:08] keeping you from living consciously.

[40:10] Look at the fears, attachments, habits,

[40:13] and reactions that repeatedly determine

[40:15] your behavior. Be willing to acknowledge

[40:18] the things about yourself that you would

[40:20] rather not see. Then choose a discipline

[40:24] that will bring you face to face with

[40:26] those things. Establish a structure that

[40:30] allows you to practice consistently and

[40:32] return to it every day regardless of

[40:36] whether you feel inspired or not. Pay

[40:39] attention to what happens within you

[40:41] when things become difficult. Learn to

[40:44] remain present instead of automatically

[40:47] trying to escape. And remember that the

[40:50] purpose isn't to become harder or more

[40:53] severe

[40:54] or more capable of enduring suffering.

[40:58] The purpose is to become less divided

[41:01] within ourselves.

[41:02] You don't enter the fire because you

[41:04] deserve to suffer. You're not punishing

[41:07] yourself. You enter it because you've

[41:09] recognized that certain things you've

[41:11] been carrying are preventing you from

[41:14] living fully in the present moment and

[41:17] you're finally ready to put them down.

[41:21] Okay guys, I know that was a lot to

[41:23] throw at you all at one time. Um, but

[41:25] thank you for bearing with me and

[41:26] listening to it. What you've been

[41:28] hearing is part of the material that

[41:31] will be uh in the sequel to The Alchemy

[41:35] of the Broken Blade. But you can get the

[41:37] Alchemy of the Broken Blade, the first

[41:38] part of this right now. You can get it

[41:41] on Amazon.com. You can get it on Barnes

[41:43] &Oble.com.

[41:44] Uh, if you want signed copies, I am

[41:47] going to uh the Barnes & Noble in

[41:50] Kingston soon. And I'm going I don't

[41:53] really travel around and do book

[41:54] signings anymore. I go to one Barnes &

[41:56] Noble in Kingston, New York, and I sign

[41:59] copies of the book there, and you can

[42:01] call them and order it, and they'll ship

[42:03] it to you anywhere in the US. I think

[42:04] they might do it to other countries,

[42:06] too. I'm not 100% positive on that, but

[42:08] I do know they'll ship them to you

[42:09] anywhere in the US. And I just go in and

[42:11] sign a few of them, and people order

[42:14] those. And then if if someone wants

[42:16] more, I go in and do some more. But

[42:18] Alchemy of the Broken Blade, you can get

[42:19] it everywhere. that you can get books

[42:21] right now. Um, this is the first part of

[42:24] it. Other thing, um, I talked whenever

[42:27] we first started about how the next way

[42:29] of the sword retreat is going to be in

[42:31] January. Uh, because I wanted something

[42:34] to look forward to after the holidays.

[42:36] You know, after the holidays every year,

[42:37] it's like we go into just just winter

[42:39] and there's nothing more to look forward

[42:40] to. You know, during this time of year,

[42:42] we got Halloween and Thanksgiving and

[42:44] Christmas and my birthday for me. you

[42:47] know, all these great things to kind of

[42:48] look forward to during the stretch of

[42:50] the year, but then when January hits, I

[42:51] always feel like there's nothing more to

[42:53] look forward to, and I wanted something

[42:54] else to look forward to, which is why I

[42:56] chose that date to do this retreat. So,

[42:59] if you want to uh join me for that, you

[43:01] can find the link on my Instagram

[43:04] account, you can find it on my Twitter

[43:06] account, you can find it on Substack, my

[43:09] Substack account, or you can look up

[43:11] Hutton Brickyards. H U T O N B R I C K Y

[43:17] A R Ds in Kingston, New York. Um, seems

[43:22] like there was one other thing I was

[43:23] going to tell you about. Oh, Patreon.

[43:25] Uh, like I said, I regret not being able

[43:27] to have the comments on on here, but if

[43:29] you want to join me where we can

[43:30] actually have back and forth

[43:31] conversations, you can ask questions,

[43:34] make comments, whatever, consider

[43:35] joining me on Patreon. I would

[43:37] appreciate it a great deal. All right,

[43:38] guys. I hope y'all are having an amazing

[43:40] Halloween. Thank you for being with me

[43:42] tonight. when you could be out doing

[43:44] probably a million other things, going

[43:45] to a show or a movie or a party. There's

[43:49] probably a million things going on for

[43:50] Halloween and you're here with me and I

[43:52] appreciate that and I don't take it for

[43:54] granted. Thank you for letting me be

[43:56] part of your life. Thank you for being

[43:57] part of my life. Thank you for your

[43:59] support, your love, and everything else

[44:01] through the years. Take care and I will

[44:04] talk to you guys back here soon. Have a

[44:06] good night.

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In Damien Echols's livestream, the wet path is slow, consistent practice that gradually dissolves what needs to change over an extended period. The dry path is more intense, involving heat, crisis, and what he calls the fire of life. He argues that the two are not mutually exclusive and that a life can contain both.
Echols describes nigredo as the first stage of the alchemical process, a disintegration or coming apart, which he compares to the dark night of the soul. He ties it to his own experience after leaving death row, when he says he had a complete nervous breakdown. The first book in his planned trilogy is organized around this stage.
Echols suggests both are possible. Some crises arrive without consent, but in the stream he also discusses consciously choosing the dry path and willingly entering difficulty for the sake of growth. He frames this as a question of attention: whether a person can stay awake enough for the fire to reshape them rather than destroy them.
Echols says that as a person goes deeper, spiritual practice becomes the way daily life is lived rather than a separate set of rituals. He states that doing the dishes and folding the laundry are spiritual practice, and he links this to being present in ordinary activity.
Echols describes the wet path as a process of extended consistent practice rather than an overnight change. He mentions that some people may spend 20 years following it, which he uses to push back against expectations of quick transformation.
According to Echols, it is the first book of a planned trilogy covering the stages of alchemy, starting with nigredo. He says it focuses on living with meaning and purpose after a period of breakdown, and that a companion workbook will follow next year.

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