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[0:00] I think we're all faced with great
[0:02] opportunities brilliantly disguised as
[0:04] impossible
[0:05] situations Dr Joe despenza is a best
[0:08] selling author writer speaker and
[0:10] Pioneer emerging science and
[0:12] spirituality he helps us demystify the
[0:14] mystical and explore what it really
[0:16] means to be a human being if you're not
[0:19] waking up in the morning and being a
[0:20] Creator then more than likely you're
[0:22] going to be a victim to your life so the
[0:25] experiment is how do you believe in that
[0:27] future more than you believe in your
[0:28] past so when the person says I've been
[0:30] addicted to anger or frustration my
[0:32] whole life well get ready the moment you
[0:33] say I don't want to be addicted to this
[0:35] the war is on and the body just says you
[0:37] can start tomorrow you're a failure
[0:39] you'll never change if you're willing to
[0:41] sit in that emotion what happens
[0:43] afterwards is truly insane some people
[0:46] spend their whole life dreaming in lack
[0:49] and never actually realizing their goals
[0:51] they're waiting for their new
[0:52] relationship to feel love or waiting for
[0:54] their success to feel empowered and when
[0:57] you create from wholeness instead of
[0:59] lack and separation you see it not only
[1:01] effects in their biology But ultimately
[1:03] effects in their life the possibilities
[1:06] are endless if you can get a person into
[1:08] the right State we've figured out a
[1:10] formula to be able to help people to go
[1:13] through those different stages it's not
[1:15] that complicated so let's make it super
[1:17] easy and super
[1:19] [Music]
[1:24] simple Dr Joe hey so happy to be here
[1:28] with you I'm so happy to be with you
[1:31] the more that I've dove into your work
[1:32] and also studying the self um through
[1:37] the Myriad of conversations I have in
[1:38] this podcast I really come to see how
[1:42] and also in your work is reflected so
[1:43] much so how addiction lies on a spectrum
[1:46] and perhaps the most fundamental
[1:47] addiction we have is to Identity and to
[1:50] our personality structure and its
[1:51] corresponding biological pharmacology
[1:54] are you are you familiar with
[1:56] disassociative identity disorder have
[1:57] you looked sure I know diso it's so
[2:00] interesting to me and I've been diving
[2:01] more into it recently how essentially an
[2:05] individual with this disorder can have
[2:07] the experience where you have multiple
[2:09] personalities you have as few as two up
[2:12] to a hundred and the corresponding
[2:14] personalities will correlate to
[2:16] different behavior and a completely
[2:17] different Outlook in on life on self
[2:20] some will be left-handed another
[2:22] personality will be right-handed some
[2:24] will need glasses some will have
[2:25] diabetes some will be allergic to
[2:27] peanuts another won't and it's so
[2:29] interesting and it points to how
[2:31] ephemeral our personalities are and so
[2:34] I'd love for you to reflect on that
[2:36] because as we start to dive deeper into
[2:38] who we are in our true self and our true
[2:40] nature we see how our personality as you
[2:43] really state so beautifully creates our
[2:45] personal reality yeah so let's start
[2:47] with a very simple understanding your
[2:49] personality is made up of how you think
[2:52] how you act and how you feel so the
[2:54] present personality who's listening to
[2:56] this podcast has created the present
[2:59] personal reality called the life not
[3:00] their mother not their ex you know
[3:03] they're responsible for creating their
[3:05] life and if they think the same way they
[3:07] act the same way and they feel the same
[3:09] way they're the same personality and of
[3:11] course they'll have the same personal
[3:12] reality and I think most people try to
[3:15] create a new personal reality as the
[3:16] same personality when it doesn't work we
[3:19] literally have to become someone
[3:21] else so then if the majority of our
[3:24] thoughts are the same thoughts based on
[3:26] Memories We have of experiences in our
[3:29] life the moment we start remembering our
[3:31] problems we're thinking in the past
[3:32] right so those those those memories have
[3:35] a feeling or an emotion associated with
[3:37] them so the moment you think about your
[3:39] problems and you feel
[3:41] unhappy not only is your brain in the
[3:43] past now the body's in the past so it's
[3:45] that thought in that feeling it's the
[3:48] image or memory and the emotion it's the
[3:51] stimulus and response that's immediately
[3:54] conditioning the body to memorize that
[3:56] emotion now the body is literally Liv in
[4:00] the past because it's so objective it
[4:02] doesn't know the difference between a
[4:04] real life experience that's creating
[4:05] that emotion and the emotion that person
[4:08] is fabricating by thought alone so to
[4:11] the body it's in the past experience 24
[4:13] hours a day okay so now the body
[4:17] physiologically is now in the past so
[4:19] then the hormones of
[4:22] stress create the emotions of anger and
[4:25] aggression and frustration and
[4:28] impatience and competition
[4:30] uh and
[4:32] hatefulness fear anxiety worry
[4:35] insecurity Envy jealousy uh guilt
[4:39] unworthiness shame suffering those are
[4:42] all derived from the hormones of stress
[4:44] turns out when that response switches on
[4:47] when we perceive a threat or a danger in
[4:48] our outer world the response from
[4:52] whatever condition in the outer World
[4:54] gives the body an
[4:56] arousal and so then if you keep doing
[4:59] that you keep giving the body A Rush of
[5:01] energy the body becomes dependent on its
[5:04] external world to feel
[5:06] something so the arousal from your
[5:09] coworker from your ex from traffic from
[5:13] the news some something in your outer
[5:16] environment is producing that kind of
[5:18] addictive Rush of
[5:20] energy then people begin to use the
[5:23] problems and conditions in their life to
[5:26] reaffirm their addiction to that emotion
[5:28] they need the bad job they need the bad
[5:29] relationship ship and they become
[5:31] addicted to the life that they don't
[5:32] even like and so an addiction is
[5:36] something you think you can't stop or an
[5:40] addiction is something you know that is
[5:41] not good for you and you do it anyway so
[5:45] people are unconscious to the fact that
[5:48] the arousal from the stress
[5:50] hormones is knocking their brain and
[5:52] body out of homeostasis it's knocking it
[5:54] out of balance the majority of the time
[5:57] so we can actually think about our
[6:00] problems and create the same
[6:02] physiological response as if we were
[6:03] being chased by a predator so what was
[6:06] once very adaptive becomes very
[6:08] maladaptive so you turn on that response
[6:10] you can't turn it off now you're headed
[6:12] for disease because stress is when the
[6:14] body's knocked out of balance and
[6:15] there's no opportunity for the body to
[6:18] return back to balance and order that
[6:20] imbalance becomes the new balance and
[6:22] that's when we head for some type of
[6:23] disease or imbalance in our bodies so
[6:27] then those emotions that we feel tend to
[6:30] drive our behaviors and we behave as if
[6:32] we're in the past and if those emotions
[6:35] are just really chemical records from
[6:38] past experiences then we probably more
[6:41] than likely remember the past instead of
[6:42] remember the future so 95% of who we are
[6:46] becomes you know an an automatic set of
[6:48] programs in our personality
[6:51] so if we really teach a person how to
[6:54] think differently how to act differently
[6:55] and how to feel differently give him new
[6:58] information have them learn that
[6:59] information have them teach that
[7:00] information back to somebody so it's
[7:02] wired in their brain have them
[7:03] understand exactly what they're doing
[7:05] and why they're doing it so the how gets
[7:06] easier remind themselves enough time to
[7:09] install the circuitry so that they have
[7:12] neurons and circuits in place to make a
[7:14] different choice to do a different thing
[7:16] create a different experience and feel a
[7:17] different emotion could if you change
[7:19] your personality would your biology
[7:21] change the answer is 100% absolutely yes
[7:24] and we can do it in seven days now a
[7:26] person with a dissociative disorder or
[7:28] multiple personality disorder had trauma
[7:30] in their life as most of them from
[7:32] childhood and the way they coped with
[7:34] the constant abuse was that they would
[7:36] just dissociate from this world and and
[7:38] go to another world and they would live
[7:41] in that world and create a different
[7:42] character than the character that's
[7:44] being abused or molested or
[7:47] whatever and so each one of those
[7:50] different
[7:51] personalities just like creating a new
[7:54] personal reality takes seven days
[7:55] they're they've they've been doing that
[7:57] for so long that the myriad
[8:00] of personalities of thinking differently
[8:03] behaving differently and feeling
[8:05] differently produces immediate
[8:07] biological changes where the person is
[8:09] allergic to peanuts in one in one
[8:11] personality and not in the other so in a
[8:13] sense that speaks the human potential
[8:16] because that's exactly what we're doing
[8:19] when we see people heal from chronic
[8:20] health conditions I ask them where is
[8:24] the disease where did the disease go and
[8:28] 100% of the time they say it's in the
[8:31] old person it's in the old I'm no longer
[8:33] that person I'm somebody else like so so
[8:36] of course the disease would exists in a
[8:38] different person I it's a different
[8:40] physiology so teaching the a
[8:44] person uh after years of years of
[8:46] thinking acting and feeling the same way
[8:48] running those programs teaching a person
[8:52] how to become so conscious of their own
[8:54] conscious thoughts so aware of the
[8:56] defaulting habits and behaviors and to
[8:59] notice when they may start feeling
[9:00] different emotions that you got to catch
[9:03] yourself from going unconscious and
[9:05] returning back to that person for them
[9:07] to unlearn and relearn to break the
[9:10] habit of being themselves and reinvent a
[9:11] new
[9:13] self so as we continue to dive deeper
[9:15] into the science spirituality and
[9:17] mechanism of this
[9:19] transformation I love how you're
[9:20] pointing to the personality structures
[9:22] correlate to the the the emotions that
[9:26] we're addicted to it's not necessarily
[9:28] the substances in and of themselves but
[9:30] also the emotions behind them that we
[9:32] that we crave and so can you can you
[9:34] speak to the mechanism of how we become
[9:37] addicted to the emotions and we expect
[9:39] um and and crave for more of that
[9:41] familiar sense yeah I think that um most
[9:44] people get so used to feeling a certain
[9:48] way that they don't think on any other
[9:51] level they can feel a different way
[9:53] unless there's
[9:54] crisis or trauma or disease or diagnosis
[9:57] when there's betrayal when there's loss
[9:59] when and there's something that happens
[10:02] that all of a sudden the feeling changes
[10:04] so much that nothing's making that
[10:06] feeling go away and the moment you don't
[10:07] feel like yourself any longer you can
[10:09] really see yourself really clearly
[10:11] Through The Eyes of someone else and in
[10:13] Neuroscience that's called metacognition
[10:15] to be able to become conscious of our
[10:17] unconscious self so conscious that we
[10:19] don't go unconscious in our waking day
[10:21] that's how people change you know
[10:24] so the stronger the emotion we feel from
[10:28] some challenge or problem in our life
[10:30] the more altered we are inside of us so
[10:32] some event occurs and our chemistry
[10:34] changes the moment there's a dramatic
[10:36] change in our chemistry that's the
[10:38] moment the brain freezes a frame and
[10:40] takes a picture takes a snapshot and
[10:42] that's the memory that's embossed in the
[10:44] brain what the person doesn't know that
[10:47] the the arousal of those chemicals
[10:50] giving the body A Rush of energy to be
[10:52] more alert and be more aware they keep
[10:54] reviewing the problem 50 to 100 times
[10:58] ruminating over the problem again
[11:00] and they're producing the same chemistry
[11:02] over and over again to the body and the
[11:06] body in a sense is getting a rush by
[11:08] thought alone so now it becomes addicted
[11:10] to its own thoughts right this gets
[11:13] really kind of wild because you don't
[11:14] you're not aware that you're doing that
[11:16] but you're giving your body energy and
[11:18] so so the side effect of it then is the
[11:21] body is dependent on that thought in
[11:25] fact if you reasoned with me and you
[11:28] said I I really don't like this suffer
[11:31] um I don't really like to feel like a
[11:32] victim I don't want to feel unworthy I
[11:34] want to change that and everybody goes
[11:36] with their conscious mind yay let's
[11:38] change it and so you say okay well if
[11:41] I'm suffering and I'm you know in pain
[11:44] and I'm a victim uh well victims what
[11:47] are their behaviors oh well they
[11:48] complain uh they make excuses they judge
[11:52] other people they feel sorry for
[11:53] themselves they need a lot of attention
[11:56] I don't know I'm making stuff up but
[11:58] that could be a behavior that goes along
[11:59] with with a person who who suffers and
[12:01] feels unhappy most of the time and what
[12:03] are the thoughts that you think all
[12:04] right so you could be really really
[12:07] ambitious and say I'm going to just stop
[12:09] today and the first couple hours goes by
[12:13] really well but as you see the same
[12:15] people and you go to the same places and
[12:16] do the exact same thing at the exact
[12:19] same time in your life it's no longer
[12:21] that your personality is creating your
[12:23] personal reality your personal reality
[12:24] is reminding you of who you are as a
[12:26] personality the environment is
[12:28] regulating and controlling the way you
[12:30] think so every person every object every
[12:32] every place has a neurological Network
[12:34] in your brain you have a neurological
[12:36] Network for your mother you have a
[12:38] neurological Network for your enemy you
[12:40] have a neurological Network for your
[12:42] coworker because you've experienced them
[12:45] so in a in a sense we're seeing reality
[12:48] through the lens of the past we're
[12:50] seeing reality as a memory to a human
[12:53] being so they think and act the same way
[12:55] around that person because they've done
[12:57] that around their spouse for the last 30
[12:58] years and they feel certain emotions
[13:01] that they respond to in certain ways and
[13:04] stronger the emotion we feel the more we
[13:06] pay attention to the person or problem
[13:07] and where we place our attention is
[13:09] where we place our energy so everybody's
[13:12] attention is being divided on all these
[13:14] different elements in our life okay so
[13:18] the person says I'm not going to
[13:20] complain I'm not going to blame I'm not
[13:21] going to make excuses I'm not going to
[13:22] feel sorry for myself I'm not going to
[13:24] feel unhappy I'm not going to feel
[13:25] unworthy I'm not going to suffer I'm
[13:27] going to catch myself thinking these SAU
[13:29] and first couple hours goes by really
[13:31] well but the body is the mind the
[13:33] servant is the master the person thinks
[13:35] they're making all their choices with
[13:37] their conscious mind but they're not
[13:39] their body mind is looking for the
[13:40] familiar feeling to keep them in the
[13:43] known keep them in the past right The
[13:45] Familiar past so two hours goes by and
[13:48] the body says I've modified my receptor
[13:50] sites for suffering I got more I'm
[13:53] looking for those chemicals it's the
[13:55] chemical continui is being broken
[13:57] between the thinking and feeling Loop
[14:00] and the body just says okay come on you
[14:02] can start tomorrow you're a failure you
[14:05] never you're never good at this you're
[14:07] too much like your father you'll never
[14:09] change this isn't right you got to do
[14:11] something differently you know all of
[14:13] those
[14:15] thoughts are being driven by the body
[14:17] and the person two hours ago had the
[14:19] intention that they weren't going to do
[14:21] any of these things and now the war
[14:22] started cuz an addiction now if you
[14:25] can't stop it right now it's telling you
[14:27] that the body's dependent on the
[14:28] familiar feelings of the past the body
[14:30] wants to stay in the past so it starts
[14:32] to tell inform the brain think the same
[14:34] way so you can make the same choice you
[14:36] can do the same thing create the same
[14:37] experience you can feel the same emotion
[14:39] you go ah my
[14:41] unhappiness feels so good it feels so
[14:45] I'm so happy to be unhappy because the
[14:47] unknown is just a dangerous and scary
[14:49] place that
[14:51] unknown is when the body's stepping
[14:53] outside of its comfort zone of its
[14:55] predictability right it's it's it's it's
[14:58] unfamiliar there's there there's
[15:00] discomfort and so the discomfort of
[15:02] being in the unknown causes the person
[15:04] to return back to the same person so
[15:08] Crossing that River of change from the
[15:10] old self to the new self there is a
[15:12] neurological a neurochemical a
[15:14] biological a hormonal a genetic death of
[15:17] the old self and we see it and there's
[15:19] dissonance that goes on in the brain the
[15:21] person's not firing the same circuits
[15:24] and they're they're they're inhibiting
[15:26] the thought that's going to produce the
[15:28] chemical they're observing it not not
[15:30] responding to it believing in it it
[15:32] takes an enormous amount of energy an
[15:34] enormous amount of awareness to stay
[15:36] conscious and people think they're doing
[15:38] their meditations wrong when they go
[15:39] unconscious no you're doing it right the
[15:42] only way you become conscious is to
[15:44] catch yourself thousands of times for
[15:46] going unconscious and you'll never go
[15:48] unconscious again that's the overcoming
[15:51] process and it turns out that it's the
[15:53] overcoming process that is the becoming
[15:56] process so when the person says God I've
[15:57] been addicted to anger or frustration my
[15:59] whole life well get ready the moment you
[16:01] say I I don't I don't want to be
[16:03] addicted to this the the war is on the
[16:06] war is on because the body is going to
[16:08] find a reason for you to be angry it's
[16:10] going to tell you oh this is a good
[16:12] reason no there's too much traffic
[16:13] you're going to be late it's you know oh
[16:15] my God I can't believe this person
[16:17] whatever it is
[16:18] right so then the Cravings that take
[16:23] place when you're willing to sit through
[16:26] that emotion in your meditation this is
[16:29] why it's so valuable because if you're
[16:31] sitting in your meditation and your body
[16:32] is getting aroused that's perfect that's
[16:35] perfect that is the animal that's
[16:37] impatient that's frustrated that wants
[16:39] to get up and do something and you're
[16:41] telling the animal to stay you're
[16:43] telling it to sit and it it it usually
[16:47] gets its way so it starts assaulting the
[16:49] brain turns out if you're if you're
[16:51] willing to sit in that emotion and look
[16:54] keep lowering the volume to that emotion
[16:56] keeping keep taking your attention off
[16:58] that person or problem keep watching the
[17:01] body get aroused and settle it back down
[17:03] stop siphoning energy into the emotions
[17:06] of the familiar path keep doing that
[17:08] sooner or later like training an animal
[17:10] the body is no longer going to be the
[17:11] mind and when it realizes it's no longer
[17:13] the mind there's going to be a
[17:14] tremendous liberation of energy and now
[17:17] the person's relaxed in the present
[17:18] moment in the unknown and that turns out
[17:20] to be a really great place for people to
[17:22] create
[17:23] in it's beautiful in the way that you
[17:25] put it how we're on this continual
[17:27] journey in our life of remembering and
[17:28] forgetting of remembering and forgetting
[17:31] until we start remembering more than we
[17:32] are forgetting and I love how you break
[17:35] down how we're going to continually
[17:38] consciously find evidence for whatever
[17:40] we're subconsciously programmed to find
[17:42] and we're emotionally familiar with and
[17:45] this invitation that you have to flip it
[17:47] on its head where the Persistence of
[17:51] this delusion is is astounding how we
[17:55] continually look for an external reality
[17:57] to fulfill us internally and I mean it's
[18:01] so easy to continually fall into that
[18:03] trap thinking there's something out
[18:04] there that is going to satiate me
[18:06] internally and you're inviting it us to
[18:08] flip it on its head and to go to the
[18:11] source of our internal reality that will
[18:12] then become the match to the external
[18:14] reality of whatever we're trying to
[18:16] achieve accomplish transform healthwise
[18:18] monetarily relationships in any in any
[18:20] degree yeah well I want to I want to be
[18:23] super clear I mean we have bodies we
[18:25] have vehicles we have senses and we're
[18:27] here you know so separate from uh
[18:30] anybody or anyone anything anywhere
[18:32] anytime we have the free will to create
[18:33] reality we're we're Souls on the journey
[18:35] right so you need a body to experience
[18:38] threedimensional reality and there's so
[18:39] many wonderful things to experience in
[18:42] this threedimensional that we should I
[18:43] mean I love great wine I love great food
[18:46] I love nature I love I love like I love
[18:49] being human in my animal self you know
[18:52] to to to be part of this species of
[18:55] humans I think it's we we're incarnated
[18:57] for that right the is is that we reach a
[19:02] point in our life in the plane of
[19:03] demonstration the plane of doing where
[19:06] we realize that we have to do a lot of
[19:08] things to get what we want in other
[19:10] words you have a thought that you want a
[19:12] new career or a new relationship or a
[19:14] new you know you want to be abundant or
[19:17] you want to be healthy or in shape or
[19:18] whatever it is and you become aware that
[19:21] you're Andre local in space and time and
[19:24] then you think about your dream or your
[19:26] vision and you our mind automatically
[19:28] calculates and predicts
[19:30] how long it's going to take for that to
[19:31] happen and so here's one point of
[19:33] Consciousness then the future is the
[19:35] other point of Consciousness and the
[19:36] separation between two points of
[19:38] Consciousness in three-dimensional
[19:40] reality creates time so in order for me
[19:42] to get that thing I may have to work
[19:44] harder I may have to sacrifice and save
[19:47] money I may have to cheat I may have to
[19:49] compete I may have to steal I take on a
[19:51] second job you know whatever it is
[19:52] borrow money to have that experience
[19:55] right
[19:56] so so it takes time and energy to
[19:59] finally arrive at that event now when
[20:02] the event
[20:03] occurs the emotion from that event takes
[20:06] away the lack or separation from not
[20:08] having it that's the prize in
[20:10] three-dimensional reality but some
[20:13] people spend their whole life dreaming
[20:15] in lack and never actually re realizing
[20:18] their goals right so so they're waiting
[20:21] for their their wealth to occur to feel
[20:26] abundant they're waiting for their new
[20:28] relationship to feel love they're
[20:30] waiting for their healing to feel
[20:31] gratitude and wholeness they're waiting
[20:33] for the mystical moment to feel awe
[20:35] they're waiting for their success to
[20:37] feel empowered they're waiting for
[20:39] something to change in their outer
[20:41] environment to take away the lack or
[20:43] separation from not having it in their
[20:45] in environment so for the most part
[20:46] they're living by cause and effect so
[20:48] what do you do when you're matter trying
[20:50] to change matter you work harder you try
[20:52] harder you're Force you control you
[20:53] manipulate that's what matter does when
[20:55] it's trying to change matter and so
[20:57] we're rushing constantly in separation
[21:00] for the experience that produces the
[21:02] emotion or the feeling that takes it
[21:04] away okay and you can get really good at
[21:07] doing this I can get really good you
[21:10] could get trained you could take courses
[21:14] you can get coached you can learn from
[21:16] your mistakes you could have great
[21:18] parents whatever it is you could develop
[21:20] really good habits and sooner or later
[21:22] you get better at doing it in a shorter
[21:24] amount of time well that's great that's
[21:26] really cool my interest
[21:30] is to teach people well
[21:32] gosh can I actually go to a place where
[21:37] I am a
[21:38] Creator can I really think about with a
[21:40] clear intention what that future looks
[21:43] like could I train and teach my body
[21:47] emotionally what that future feels like
[21:50] before it happens now that goes against
[21:52] a lot of hypnosis that goes against a
[21:55] lot of programming because the
[21:57] programming says you need this thing in
[21:58] your outer world to take away the
[22:00] feeling of even drugs to take away the
[22:02] pain or whatever it is right so we've
[22:04] become very dependent on the outer World
[22:07] to Change our inner world and all I'm
[22:09] saying is it's possible then if you can
[22:11] teach people how to be creators in their
[22:13] life and change the way they think and
[22:16] change the way they feel and feel the
[22:19] emotions of their future before it
[22:21] happens the cool part of that is that
[22:23] when you're feeling the emotion of your
[22:25] future before it happens you're not
[22:28] looking for it any any longer why would
[22:29] you look for it if it feels like you
[22:32] already happened so then when the
[22:34] synchronicities when the coincidences
[22:36] when the serendipities when the
[22:38] opportunities start showing up in a
[22:40] person's life because they're changing
[22:43] the way they think the way they act and
[22:44] the way they feel they get more involved
[22:47] in the creative process they're saying I
[22:48] I actually am creating
[22:50] this get really good at it and learn how
[22:53] to be a Creator in the present moment in
[22:56] the unknown create from the field and of
[22:59] from matter instead of threedimensional
[23:01] reality if it's not matter that's
[23:03] creating the field but the field that's
[23:04] creating matter if I could change the
[23:06] information in the field can I change
[23:08] the Hologram or the slowing down of
[23:10] frequency into matter and could I
[23:13] shorten the
[23:14] distance between the thought of what I
[23:16] want and the experience of having it if
[23:18] I create from the field instead of from
[23:20] matter now that's a whole new experiment
[23:23] right because it goes we got to get we
[23:24] got to get retrained we got
[23:27] reconditioned we got to change a lot of
[23:29] beliefs about that we got to explain
[23:32] what that field is we got to teach
[23:34] people how to get Beyond themselves and
[23:36] take all of their attention off their
[23:37] body off of all the elements in their
[23:39] environment and not think about the
[23:41] predictable future or the familiar past
[23:43] to disinvest all of their attention all
[23:46] their awareness all of their energy off
[23:48] the particle off of matter off of the
[23:50] physical three-dimensional world and if
[23:52] it's particle and wave put all your
[23:53] attention on that wave function and that
[23:56] wave function there's nothing physical
[23:57] or material there so it's nothing I
[23:59] don't know how else to explain it but
[24:01] it's energy and
[24:02] frequency if you have a person pay more
[24:04] attention to that
[24:06] nothing and teach them that it's rich in
[24:08] frequency and energy to feel it to
[24:11] experience it to relax into it to become
[24:14] more of it and less of them somehow
[24:17] there is this dramatic
[24:19] change in the information in a person's
[24:24] biology so then when you create from
[24:27] wholeness instead of LA in separation
[24:30] and you teach people how to do that I
[24:32] think you see not only effects in their
[24:34] biology but ultimately effects in their
[24:37] life so much of your work also in the
[24:40] book and just the statement that you are
[24:41] the placebo is pointing directly to this
[24:44] how we are creators and beneficiaries of
[24:46] life and not victims which is something
[24:48] that we're continually told and fed that
[24:50] Narrative of oh that's a tough one we'll
[24:53] go into it I would love for you to
[24:56] share um exploring how different brain
[24:59] wave States correlate to different
[25:01] states of Consciousness and how uh
[25:03] acknowledging and shedding some
[25:05] Awareness on this Insight um feeds feeds
[25:08] into where we're going here sure well um
[25:11] it's not that complicated so let's make
[25:13] it super easy and super simple we're
[25:15] sitting here there's Andre over there
[25:17] separate from Joe dispenza over here and
[25:20] I'm local in space and time and
[25:21] everything around me is separate from me
[25:23] right so when I plug myself into
[25:26] three-dimensional reality my receptors
[25:29] that plug me into threedimensional
[25:30] reality what's getting information from
[25:32] the outer environment are my senses so
[25:35] what I'm seeing what I'm hearing what
[25:37] I'm smelling what I'm tasting what I'm
[25:39] feeling all My Five Senses plug me into
[25:43] this three-dimensional world and it's a
[25:45] lot of information for the brain to
[25:48] integrate it's the brain's job is to
[25:50] create meaning between what's going on
[25:52] out there and what's going on in here
[25:53] right so so then when we're paying
[25:57] attention to all the elements in our
[25:59] environment and we're awake uh the brain
[26:02] kind of beats in this wavelength that's
[26:04] called beta brain wave States and we're
[26:06] in beta right now we're relaxed we're
[26:08] we're present we're paying attention to
[26:10] each other there's no threat there's no
[26:12] danger around we can learn we can we can
[26:14] gain information from the environment
[26:16] when you're present and paying attention
[26:18] all right if I said you oh Andre
[26:21] um we decided that we're going to give
[26:23] you a test to take um at the end here
[26:25] it's going to be 100 questions and we're
[26:28] going to show your viewers if you passed
[26:29] or not
[26:30] right your brain would kind of perk up a
[26:33] little bit more you get a little bit
[26:34] more aroused and you'd be like okay I'm
[26:35] going to lean in now and I going to
[26:36] really pay attention so that when the
[26:38] light bulb gets a little bit brighter
[26:40] you move into mid-range beta and like
[26:43] that's a good state to be in like if
[26:44] you're getting ready for a podcast
[26:46] you're going to deliver a lecture you're
[26:47] going to see somebody you haven't seen
[26:49] the first time or meet somebody new
[26:50] whatever it is you're you're a little
[26:51] bit more alert right when you're angry
[26:54] when you're fearful when you're in pain
[26:56] when you're judgmental when you're
[26:57] frustrated res zenful whatever that is
[27:00] your brain waves move into that aroused
[27:02] High beta brain wave St State and that
[27:05] arousal is is stepping on the gas really
[27:08] hard and when we go into the high beta
[27:11] brain wave States most of our attention
[27:13] because of the arousal is on our body
[27:15] like wow I feel really physical I feel
[27:17] like matter I feel like my body I am my
[27:19] body the arousal of those chemicals caus
[27:22] us but all of our attention on the outer
[27:24] environment what's the environment made
[27:25] of bodies and people and objects and
[27:27] things and places so now more of our
[27:29] tension is going on the outer
[27:31] world and when you're being chased by
[27:33] T-Rex and you got to go from one point
[27:35] of Consciousness where you are to the
[27:36] cave another point of Consciousness
[27:38] you're thinking about time and you're
[27:40] trying to collapse as much time as you
[27:42] can by increasing your speed right so so
[27:45] the brain always is forecasting uh the
[27:47] future when it's aroused by these
[27:50] chemicals so high beta means it's very
[27:52] high frequency pay a lot of
[27:54] attention and now if stress is Created
[27:57] from not being able to control something
[27:59] not be able to predict it or the
[28:01] perception that something in your
[28:02] environment is going to get worse the
[28:05] arousal of those hormones causes us to
[28:07] be uncertain we're in the unknown and we
[28:09] begin to think about all the people and
[28:12] objects and places that are known to us
[28:13] in our life and the neocortex is a
[28:16] reflection of everything known in our
[28:17] outer environment it's the
[28:18] autobiographical self so as you start
[28:21] thinking about all the people and the
[28:22] objects and things and meetings and
[28:23] places and what could happen this could
[28:25] go out and the Brain starts going in
[28:26] this High beta States and the waves of
[28:28] different parts of the brain start
[28:30] beating out of order and like a
[28:31] lightning storm in the
[28:33] clouds the incoherence in the brain is
[28:36] causing the waves to
[28:38] interfere and the energy in the brain uh
[28:41] begins to go down it's a destructive
[28:43] interference and some people then they
[28:47] keep it AR Rouse they just keep driving
[28:49] the sports car on the freeway in first
[28:52] gear and they become dependent on
[28:54] something out there that's going to make
[28:57] that feeling go away whether they're
[28:58] scrolling through social media whether
[29:00] they're getting on the phone and
[29:01] complaining to their best friend uh
[29:03] whether they're watching a game or video
[29:05] gaming whatever it is they're
[29:07] Reliant now on their outer environment
[29:10] to change their inner environment
[29:11] sometimes Pharmaceuticals and sedatives
[29:13] and alcohol and drugs or whatever it
[29:15] is makes the person feel better right so
[29:18] they need something exogenously
[29:19] externally to change their internal
[29:22] State and we get very narrow focused we
[29:25] get overfocused we get obsessive we're
[29:28] Loop
[29:29] really hard when we're in these high
[29:30] beta
[29:32] States and we discovered that when
[29:34] people analyze their problems within
[29:37] that disturbing emotion 100% of the time
[29:39] they're make their brain worse they're
[29:41] driving their brain further and further
[29:43] into high beta because the arousal of
[29:45] those emotions are causing them to think
[29:46] in the past and and the thought of
[29:49] whatever it is is producing the
[29:50] chemistry to arouse them even more and
[29:52] they're on the hamster wheel and the
[29:54] brain gets very disintegrated and it
[29:57] sends very disintegrated at ated signals
[29:59] to the different system of the body and
[30:01] that's what stress is stress is
[30:03] autonomic disregulation okay so how do
[30:05] you teach a person how to slow their
[30:08] brain waves down where they just don't
[30:09] go from that beta brain wave state or
[30:11] high beta brain wave state to Delta
[30:13] sound asleep because they're so
[30:15] exhausted the body never has a chance to
[30:18] go through these healthy stages of brain
[30:21] wave changes so in beta in lowlevel beta
[30:24] and mid-range beta and high level beta
[30:26] your outer world is where most of your
[30:27] attention is you're your body you're
[30:29] paying attention to your body to your
[30:30] environment and time okay we discovered
[30:33] if we tell the person to go from that
[30:35] kind of kind of narrow obsessive focus
[30:39] on everything physical and material
[30:41] everything known okay let's do the exact
[30:43] opposite let's have them broaden their
[30:45] focus and focus on nothing physical and
[30:48] nothing material that void that vacuum
[30:50] the act of sensing
[30:53] nothing somehow causes you to stop
[30:56] analyzing and
[30:57] thinking and if you stop analyzing and
[30:59] thinking you start slowing down this
[31:02] thinking neocortex that plugs you into
[31:04] threedimensional
[31:05] reality and the Brain Wave starts
[31:07] slowing down a little bit more and if
[31:09] you do this and you can teach a person
[31:11] how to relax when they do
[31:13] this the brain begins to go from that
[31:16] voice that's talking to you in your head
[31:18] all the time that's chattering to you
[31:20] those critical facilities tend to qu
[31:22] quiet down and the Brain naturally
[31:24] starts to see in pictures it's in images
[31:27] it's imagin it's a it's an imaginary
[31:29] State now the inner world starts
[31:32] becoming more real in the outer world
[31:33] and the person starts thinking about
[31:35] possibilities about new things the brain
[31:38] is in a state of creation right it's in
[31:40] a more creative
[31:42] state if you keep sensing space and you
[31:45] people understand that that space is not
[31:46] just nothing it's frequency and energy
[31:48] and they start paying more attention to
[31:50] it and less attention to them they get
[31:52] beyond their body their environment and
[31:54] time and they become nobody no one no
[31:57] thing nowhere no time in other words no
[31:59] attention on their body no attention on
[32:01] the people in their life none of the
[32:03] objects or cell phone or whatever it is
[32:06] no place they need to be place where
[32:08] they sleep place where they're sitting
[32:09] and not even think about time that is
[32:11] the moment that they become pure
[32:13] Consciousness and when they're sensing
[32:15] that space the different compartments of
[32:17] the brain that were modulated and
[32:20] compartmentalized and not talking to
[32:22] each other communities broken fragmented
[32:24] from each other house divided against
[32:26] itself the incoherence
[32:28] all of a sudden by sensing that
[32:30] invisible field of unifying energy that
[32:34] exists beyond our senses those different
[32:35] compartments of the brain that were
[32:37] subdivided begin to
[32:40] synchronize and now what syncs in the
[32:42] brain links in the brain and those
[32:43] different parts of the brain start
[32:45] unifying into bigger communities and you
[32:47] start seeing the entire brain in a
[32:50] Cascade of Rhythm Global Alpha
[32:54] coherence and that's a really orderly
[32:57] signal that that's sent down the nervous
[32:59] system that's sending coherent
[33:02] information to all the cells and tissues
[33:04] in the body and the body's returning
[33:06] back to autonomic regulation now here's
[33:08] the fun
[33:10] part we push people on those 7-Day
[33:13] events way past where they normally
[33:14] would stop that's where the magic always
[33:16] happens get a person to get so
[33:18] comfortable s sitting down instead of
[33:21] laying down and going from beta to Alpha
[33:23] Theta boom to Delta let's teach them how
[33:26] to get into each one of these it's okay
[33:28] now the person can sustain Alpha for a
[33:31] beautiful period of
[33:32] time they're not trying to do it it's
[33:34] just their brain's resonating in order
[33:36] and energy in the brain starts to build
[33:40] and so energy drops out of the thinking
[33:44] brain starts building in the lyic brain
[33:46] now you're moving into Theta brain wave
[33:49] States and Theta is a hypnotic State now
[33:53] the whole purpose of meditation is to
[33:54] get beyond the analytical mind and what
[33:56] separates the conscious mind
[33:58] from the subconscious mind is the
[34:00] analytical mind so 5% of our conscious
[34:03] mind working against 95% of what we've
[34:05] programed subconsciously the only way
[34:07] you're going to change it is get in the
[34:08] operating system you can't do it in beta
[34:10] you're separate slow your brain waves
[34:13] down but the body start to move into a
[34:17] light rest where it starts almost
[34:20] falling asleep and keep the person
[34:23] conscious and awake and now door be the
[34:26] conscious mind and the subconscious wide
[34:29] open to information right now there
[34:33] suggest a hypnotic State and you're
[34:35] suggestable to whatever you think you'll
[34:38] you'll accept you'll believe you'll
[34:40] surrender without any analysis because
[34:42] the analytical mind is suppressed and
[34:44] it's that thought that intention that
[34:46] literally programs the autonomic nervous
[34:48] system to make a pharmacy of chemicals
[34:51] equal to the intention as information
[34:53] the person is thinking now you're in the
[34:55] operating system so in Theta now
[34:58] now this is where the person can start
[35:01] relaxing into their heart this is what
[35:03] we discovered teach a person how a
[35:05] practice relaxing into the heart the
[35:07] more relaxed they get into their heart
[35:09] the more they do that the more they're
[35:11] moving out of survival and heart is the
[35:14] creative Center the more energy that
[35:16] gets to the heart we see this beautiful
[35:18] dance like like grabbing a big sheet of
[35:22] uh a big bed sheet and going like that
[35:25] the heart sends a wave right to the
[35:27] brain bra and it tells the brain it's
[35:31] time to create and the Brain moves into
[35:33] these beautiful beautiful coherent
[35:35] States and somehow the heart resets the
[35:39] Baseline for the emotional trauma that
[35:42] the body's been living in it just says
[35:44] the event is over the experience is done
[35:47] the trauma's done and all of a sudden
[35:50] the body can finally free itself from
[35:52] the past and once that happens energy
[35:54] moves into the heart more energy goes
[35:56] into the brain and as a a person keeps
[35:58] doing this and keep relaxing Into the
[36:01] Heart moving into Theta the autonomic
[36:03] nervous system now is getting really
[36:05] really hot right lights are out in the
[36:07] thinking neocortex what plugs you into
[36:09] three-dimensional
[36:11] reality and now they're still
[36:13] suggestible to information but their
[36:15] eyes are closed there's music playing in
[36:17] the background they're not eating
[36:18] they're not tasting they're not moving
[36:19] there's no hypnotist giving them
[36:21] information through their
[36:23] senses if the nervous system is coherent
[36:26] and it's highly organized
[36:28] there comes a moment where the nervous
[36:30] system can read
[36:32] information from that unified field of
[36:34] energy that exists beyond our senses and
[36:36] when there's a match or
[36:39] harmonic or some type of resonance that
[36:42] takes
[36:43] place we've seen this so many times the
[36:46] brain goes into these very high states
[36:50] of
[36:51] coherent gamma brain wave States not a
[36:53] little bit of gamma not a lot of gamma
[36:55] Supernatural amount of gamma and the AR
[36:58] now that the person is
[37:00] having is not fear it's not
[37:04] anger it's not pain it's ecstasy the
[37:08] arousal is bliss the person is feeling
[37:10] connected to something really great in
[37:13] the autonomic nerv system now which is
[37:15] now controlling and coordinating every
[37:18] other system down to the cell in the
[37:20] body the whole entire autonomic nervous
[37:23] system has got these really fast
[37:25] compressed gamma brain waves and the
[37:28] frequency is really fast which means
[37:29] there's a lot of information coherent
[37:32] information traveling to the cells and
[37:34] the cells are getting lifted by
[37:36] information or by light and many times
[37:39] when that
[37:41] occurs there's an instant instantaneous
[37:44] biological upgrade that takes place like
[37:46] there's the eczema now it's gone there's
[37:48] the Parkinson's now it's gone there's
[37:50] the blindness now it's gone there's the
[37:52] stage four cancer now it's gone energy
[37:55] is in forming matter and as you get
[37:56] closer to source closer to that unified
[37:59] field the more wholeness is being
[38:01] reflected in a person's biology so gamma
[38:04] then is superconsciousness and Delta is
[38:07] deep sleep when we take the information
[38:10] in the plasma of the blood who of people
[38:13] who hit that state there's information
[38:16] in the blood that somehow stops a SARS
[38:19] kovi virus from entering the cell
[38:21] there's information in the blood that
[38:23] somehow takes 70% of the mitochondrial
[38:27] function out of cancer cells that
[38:29] downregulates the Alzheimer's
[38:32] Gene that produces endogenous Opus 100%
[38:36] of the people that causes genes to be
[38:39] regulated in the most unbelievable
[38:42] ways that that causes the the
[38:46] microbiome to dramatically change in
[38:49] seven days there's factors in that blood
[38:52] and information coming from that field
[38:55] reflected as wholeness
[38:58] that somehow is causing neurons to grow
[39:01] new neurons to grow the the body is
[39:04] pro-life now the body is progrowth it's
[39:07] it's moving back into wholeness you know
[39:09] so so we don't we we look for those kind
[39:12] of states where the person hits that
[39:15] moment where they're sustaining the
[39:17] state of gamma and the and and the
[39:21] beauty behind it is that as the person
[39:23] is relaxing into the heart and the brain
[39:25] is starting to change we start seeing
[39:27] this beautiful state where for many
[39:29] people the Delta brain wave is a
[39:32] harmonic that's carrying Alpha which is
[39:35] a fractional harmonic that's carrying
[39:37] Alpha and Alpha is carrying beta and
[39:39] beta is carrying High beta and high beta
[39:41] is carrying gamma and gamma's going into
[39:43] super high gamma and there's waves upon
[39:45] waves upon waves fractal patterns of
[39:47] order that's called resonance and when
[39:50] the brain is in that kind of
[39:52] mathematical resonance state
[39:55] microclusters of neurons all of a sudden
[39:58] start forming macro clusters of neurons
[40:02] and now they're exchanging more
[40:04] information at a greater level of
[40:06] Consciousness and we've seen certain
[40:09] people you know like if we're sitting
[40:11] here talking if we were had a brain scan
[40:12] on you know you'd be using maximum 7% at
[40:15] a time of your brain you're you know you
[40:17] visual cortex your Association centers
[40:19] your motor cortex you don't know me bro
[40:21] little little firing well for us for us
[40:23] okay here and there we see 26 27 28% of
[40:28] the brain recruited in this state of you
[40:32] know stingingly high levels of order so
[40:35] we we we've kind of figured out a
[40:38] formula to be able to help people to go
[40:41] through those different
[40:43] stages um and so and Delta of course is
[40:47] deep sleep and I used to think it was
[40:49] deep sleep and now I don't know anymore
[40:51] because we see people really awake in
[40:53] Delta too so I recently just got back
[40:57] came back from your 7-Day Retreat which
[40:59] is a beautiful immersive experience
[41:00] happy to share more about it when you
[41:02] were talking about this and showing on
[41:04] screen which we can put some some things
[41:06] on screen right now um with these gamma
[41:10] brain wave states that are sometimes in
[41:11] advanced meditators up to hundreds of
[41:14] standard deviations outside of normal
[41:16] and that's where these spontaneous
[41:18] remissions and um you know what seem
[41:21] miraculous can really happen when you're
[41:24] completely taking your attention from
[41:25] something to no thing into every and
[41:28] then this beautiful thing can happen to
[41:29] you through you for you and that's just
[41:33] so wild and foreign that our
[41:35] instrumentation can't really tell us
[41:36] fully what's happening when we're
[41:37] hundreds of standard deviations outside
[41:39] of normal so can you give some context
[41:40] as to like what that means and how
[41:42] powerful that really is yeah so I can
[41:44] talk from my own personal experience and
[41:46] I can talk really from the hundreds and
[41:47] hundreds of people that have had them as
[41:49] well
[41:51] um it feels very electric it's and it so
[41:56] our language specialist we work with the
[41:58] University of Central Oklahoma uh we
[42:00] have one of the top language Specialists
[42:03] that study the language of
[42:04] transformation and so we've looked at a
[42:08] lot of different stories of
[42:09] transformation testimonial of people who
[42:11] healed and many of them have these
[42:13] elegant
[42:14] moments and there are two really common
[42:17] things that people say about
[42:19] them one is that it's very somatic like
[42:23] I felt it in every single cell in my
[42:26] body or the top of my head blew off or
[42:30] my heart turned on like an engine or I I
[42:32] was filled with light this very physical
[42:36] very somatic it feels like the body's
[42:38] intercours in with energy
[42:41] right the other element about it is very
[42:43] emotional but not emotions that we
[42:46] typically feel from three-dimensional
[42:49] reality this is this not like you not a
[42:51] love for your puppy or love for your
[42:53] moms not like that this is like you
[42:57] dipping closer to source which is pure
[42:59] love and there's this kind of very
[43:02] unfamiliar familiar feeling that you
[43:04] have like oh my God I forget I forgot I
[43:06] was Oneness how could I forget but we
[43:08] have to forget that we're Oneness in
[43:09] order to have this experience in
[43:11] separation so so it's also very
[43:13] emotional and it's inevitable in other
[43:15] words you can't find the language within
[43:18] the neural architecture of your known
[43:20] personality in threedimensional reality
[43:22] who's having an experience with energy
[43:24] and information that's unknown Beyond
[43:25] this you don't have the language the
[43:27] only thing that people can do is use
[43:31] metaphors like they use metaphors and
[43:33] and so metaphors are a great way to use
[43:35] what's stored in your brain that's known
[43:37] and familiar to everybody and turn on
[43:40] different metaphors so you get enough
[43:41] circuits going on to make it to get a
[43:44] understanding or a connection the
[43:46] person's having the problem is the
[43:47] language specialist who is the you know
[43:50] the one of the top researchers in the
[43:52] world on language had a transformational
[43:55] experience and could not find the
[43:56] language I watched some struggle for
[43:58] about a half an hour on a zoom call he
[44:00] was laughing so hard because he didn't
[44:02] have the language to explain the unknown
[44:05] right
[44:06] so many times what what comes with that
[44:09] also is a profound change in brain
[44:13] chemistry the pineal gland begins to
[44:15] make
[44:17] derivatives metabolites of melatonin
[44:20] that fit in the same receptor sites of
[44:21] Serotonin melatonin and those two
[44:24] neurotransmitters are a function of
[44:26] light and dark dark nness in this
[44:28] three-dimensional
[44:30] reality when you start interacting with
[44:33] energy and frequency that's faster than
[44:35] the speed of light now serotonin you're
[44:38] perceiving light through your eyes and
[44:40] the eye is sending a signal to a nucleus
[44:42] in the brain and the pineal gland is
[44:44] making serotonin and light and darkness
[44:47] and the wavelength of visible light it's
[44:50] balancing off the most stable form of
[44:52] energy called matter that's that's what
[44:55] causes us to be wake awaken asleep in
[44:58] this three-dimensional world but the
[45:00] person now is connecting with
[45:02] frequencies now in their nervous system
[45:04] that's not coming through their senses
[45:06] that's faster than the speed of light
[45:07] more wholeness more
[45:09] order melatonin can't be melatonin any
[45:12] longer it's it gets upgraded and
[45:14] melatonin is already a very powerful
[45:17] antioxidant now you're going to make
[45:19] very very power two of the most powerful
[45:21] antioxidants known to man anti-cancer
[45:23] anti-aging anti-heart disease
[45:25] anti-stroke anti- neuroen ative
[45:27] anti-inflammatory
[45:29] antimicrobial melatonin already causes
[45:31] you relax you're going to make a benzo
[45:33] dipene like substance that's a
[45:36] derivative melatonin now you're going to
[45:37] chill ax way out in the survival centers
[45:40] in your brain this is what Valium
[45:43] does shuts off the amydala no fear no
[45:46] anger no pain melatonin already causes
[45:49] you to sleep you're going to make a
[45:50] molecule that's going to cause you to
[45:52] hibernate the body goes into stasis no
[45:54] sex drive no appetite no preoccupation
[45:57] with the environment first three centers
[46:00] of the body shut down they shut off and
[46:03] now the you won't even know that you
[46:04] have a body so you can wake up in
[46:06] another one right you can leave that one
[46:07] there and wake up somewhere else you'd
[46:09] have to be in that state right in that
[46:11] state of
[46:12] stasis the same chemical that's found in
[46:15] an electric eel you know when an
[46:16] electric eel discharges it's disar it's
[46:19] discharging energy from within its
[46:21] nervous system and a discharge of energy
[46:23] creates high amplitudes so the high
[46:26] amplitudes we see in in gamma these very
[46:29] high high amounts of energy we suspect
[46:31] that it's the same neurotransmitter
[46:34] that's found in the electric he now
[46:36] melatonin already causes you to dream
[46:37] but now you're going to get a derivative
[46:39] called dimethyl
[46:40] tryptamine and that chemical
[46:44] cranks the brain to begin to open up to
[46:47] information in Realms beyond space and
[46:49] time now this is really crazy because
[46:52] the person is having a very full-on
[46:55] sensory experience
[46:57] that's greater than any experience they
[46:58] had in their threedimensional they're
[46:59] more aware in wherever they are than
[47:02] they've ever been aware in their life
[47:04] and that full-on sensory experience is
[47:06] causing the brain through experience to
[47:09] reorganize its circuitry that's what
[47:11] experience
[47:12] does and the feeling that goes along
[47:15] with it is very electric because you're
[47:17] connecting to energy and that energy is
[47:20] being translated through the nervous
[47:22] system in a high gamma State and every
[47:24] single atom in your body is getting
[47:27] oscillated in uh with information so the
[47:31] person has a very profound inner
[47:33] experience that somehow sh drags the
[47:36] brain and body right out of the past now
[47:37] we don't see things how they are we see
[47:39] things how we are the
[47:41] probability that we're seeing the truth
[47:42] of reality is zero we're we're seeing a
[47:45] very small percentage of reality all of
[47:47] a sudden the person has an interaction
[47:49] with information that exists beyond our
[47:51] senses they get an upgrade somehow they
[47:53] come back and they're in a new body like
[47:56] oh my God I'm in a virtual reality
[47:57] experience and the and my character now
[48:00] has I got I got something I'm fixed
[48:03] somehow they didn't get the upgrade from
[48:05] inside the virtual reality experience
[48:07] they got it from their interaction with
[48:09] energy and and frequency they took off
[48:11] the VR headset right
[48:13] so they come back and they're on a whole
[48:15] new life like life doesn't look the same
[48:18] the circuitry in their brain is causing
[48:20] them to broen their
[48:22] spectrum of what the brain couldn't see
[48:26] because it wasn't what ired to perceive
[48:28] it another person is seeing more things
[48:30] than the other
[48:33] 99.9999999% of reality that we're on
[48:35] aware
[48:36] of the body having the emotion that's
[48:39] going along with it causes them to
[48:41] remember the experience longer and what
[48:43] is the emotion we've seen this it's a
[48:46] greater and greater levels of love and
[48:49] so you see this if we see people that
[48:51] wear their HRV monitors after the event
[48:55] you would suspect that as they got back
[48:57] in their life that you know it probably
[48:59] plateau and for days and days after you
[49:02] see this climbing of energy from the
[49:05] experience that lingers for a period of
[49:08] time now what's great about that well
[49:10] when your heart's
[49:11] open you're a new Consciousness somehow
[49:14] your interaction with that invisible
[49:16] field of energy you become it and it
[49:18] becomes you I don't know how else to say
[49:20] that and and and so then you're more
[49:22] conscious in threedimensional
[49:25] reality I mean I've experienced this I
[49:27] saw people at the event that experienced
[49:29] this that tap into a reality an inner
[49:31] reality that is inherently ineffable why
[49:35] these Zen Coons and poetic dos writings
[49:38] really seem to get deeper into the
[49:41] nature of things because the experience
[49:42] in it of itself is beyond the capacity
[49:45] for Linguistics and it's uh man the the
[49:49] the experience where the default mode
[49:52] Network dials down this self-referential
[49:55] Consciousness kind of dials down and you
[49:57] tap into this field of nothingness which
[50:00] uh is it's it's useful to describe to
[50:03] point people to try to experience it
[50:05] because the difference in talking about
[50:06] it and experiencing it I feel like is
[50:09] reading a menu and having a meal it's
[50:11] like you know it's a completely
[50:12] different reality um I'm just curious
[50:15] why philosophically existentially would
[50:18] tapping into nothingness create more
[50:20] coherence oh my gosh
[50:23] well if you study any Asian many of the
[50:26] Asian religions they talk
[50:29] extensively about nothing that nothing
[50:31] was not nothing it was rich in something
[50:33] but it you couldn't see it right so to
[50:36] the materialist you know you kind of
[50:37] write that off but for the person who's
[50:40] thinking okay there if there is an
[50:43] invisible
[50:44] field of unifying energy that's
[50:47] organizing everything physical and
[50:49] material holding everything in this room
[50:52] together and you and I somehow sitting
[50:54] on these chairs without any effort right
[50:57] there's some invisible field of
[50:59] intelligence a universal mind that's
[51:02] aware of everything of everybody of
[51:05] everyone of every place of every time
[51:08] that source of everything physical and
[51:09] material is
[51:12] transcendent of everything physical
[51:14] material okay so take away everything
[51:15] physical material take away your body
[51:18] take away all all the bodies take away
[51:19] all the people take away all the objects
[51:21] all the things all the places take away
[51:23] the Earth take away the Moon the light
[51:25] from the moon light from the Earth all
[51:27] the other planets the the moons on their
[51:29] planets take away the Sun the light from
[51:31] the sun the Stars the light from the
[51:32] stars the galaxies take away everything
[51:35] that's material that's known in the
[51:37] universe take it all away and the atoms
[51:42] 99.9999999% nothing that void that
[51:44] vacuum is information and information
[51:48] can only be traversed on frequency so
[51:51] you can experience the quantum field
[51:53] with your senses because it exists
[51:54] beyond your senses so give
[51:57] people the riddle and the understanding
[52:00] and the map and have them continuously
[52:02] think about it okay so when I open my
[52:04] awareness to nothing of where I place my
[52:06] attention is where I place my energy and
[52:08] I'm paying more attention to this
[52:10] unified field and less attention to me
[52:12] is a separate individual lay down the
[52:14] identity lay down the character get
[52:17] beyond your past get beyond the
[52:18] predictable future trying to anticipate
[52:21] you know trying to expect settle your
[52:23] body down from its habits and emotions
[52:25] and train it how to be relaxed in the
[52:28] unknown which is normally a dangerous
[52:29] and scary place lower the volume to the
[52:32] emotion take all of your attentions off
[52:33] all the things you're dependent on in
[52:35] your life to feel the eye of the
[52:38] needle and passing into the quantum
[52:41] field you have to enter as pure
[52:42] Consciousness conscious of nothing of
[52:46] nothing but you as pure Consciousness
[52:48] and that eye of the needle when people
[52:50] start practicing it in one week they get
[52:54] really good at it I mean really
[52:57] really good at it and we look at scans
[52:59] of people the majority of the people
[53:02] that are getting their brain scan are
[53:03] having these elegant moments and so you
[53:06] can
[53:08] collectively create this kind of field
[53:10] for people and we're able to predict it
[53:13] we're able to replicate it um uh and
[53:17] we're able to induce it so getting
[53:19] people to linger in the vacuum or the
[53:21] void without a name without a profession
[53:24] without a a boyfriend or a girlfriend
[53:27] without a diet without a face you know
[53:31] without a parent or a child just linger
[53:34] as pure Consciousness is so refreshing
[53:37] because think about it our senses plug
[53:40] us into threedimensional reality how are
[53:41] you going to reboot your brain if you
[53:43] want to reboot your brain from
[53:44] threedimensional reality you got to take
[53:45] your attention off everything in
[53:47] three-dimensional reality so take away
[53:49] your eyesight right now take away your
[53:51] hearing take away your smell your taste
[53:53] your feeling with your body if you were
[53:55] still alive and you had no senses
[53:58] you would be aware of nothing physical
[53:59] material you would be aware of nothing
[54:01] nothing of what but you you would be
[54:03] pure conscious conscious of what
[54:05] whatever you want so that invisible
[54:07] field of energy that people enter into
[54:09] we call it getting Beyond themselves is
[54:12] that that is the now that is the present
[54:14] moment the generous present moment I've
[54:16] worked for years to get people to this
[54:19] point And now when they cross that
[54:22] bridge and they enter that vacuum energy
[54:25] that void the absolute
[54:27] pure Consciousness pure love all
[54:29] potentials Source zero point feel the
[54:32] whatever you want to call it loving
[54:34] intelligence intelligent love whatever
[54:36] you want to call it in universal mind if
[54:39] they understand what they're doing and
[54:41] why they're doing as pure Consciousness
[54:42] there and they can create a disturbance
[54:44] in the field and it's the field that
[54:46] creates matter if they can change the
[54:47] information in the field could they
[54:50] change their experience some experience
[54:51] in three-dimensional reality and the
[54:53] closer they get to the source the less
[54:57] separation between two points of
[54:58] Consciousness them as pure Consciousness
[55:01] and connected to Pure
[55:04] Consciousness the closer they are to it
[55:06] the less separation between two points
[55:07] of Consciousness the less amount of time
[55:10] it should appear in three-dimensional
[55:11] reality that's the experiment right so
[55:13] then getting to that
[55:15] point where you you have to go against
[55:18] thousands and thousands and thousands of
[55:21] years of generations Untold of
[55:24] programming in survival
[55:26] because when you're in survival all your
[55:29] attention is on your body your
[55:30] environment and time and to change is to
[55:33] be greater than your body to be greater
[55:35] than your environment and to be greater
[55:36] than time which means when we're in
[55:38] stress and we're in survival it's not a
[55:40] time to change in fact it's really hard
[55:43] to change when you're living in survival
[55:45] it's time to run fight and hide and
[55:46] trust your primitive instincts which
[55:49] says that do not close your eyes and go
[55:53] within you would be eaten we work with
[55:55] prisoners in American countries
[55:57] thousands of them you wouldn't believe
[56:01] how long it takes some of these people
[56:03] to be able to close their eyes they just
[56:05] would they just would just they will
[56:07] tell you I'm sure I'd love to but their
[56:10] body's saying do not it's coming it's
[56:12] coming don't don't don't get vulnerable
[56:15] right so so then we have to lay down a
[56:18] lot of things we did our whole life to
[56:21] get what we want for something greater
[56:23] to occur you know cuz the world changes
[56:26] in that Realm called time space um we
[56:29] can't execute uh thinking that we're a
[56:31] body there we're not you know so
[56:34] learning how to surrender into this
[56:36] process uh takes uh practice it's a
[56:40] continuous
[56:41] process yes it's the willingness to die
[56:45] to who we have been and man whether we
[56:48] look at it from the hermeticist say the
[56:50] universe's mental or Nirvana or the
[56:54] Hindu say Brahma and Atman the from all
[56:57] different ancient wisdom Traditions they
[56:58] speak to this field like you're talking
[57:00] to that you can that we're all a part of
[57:02] that you can tap into deeper Union with
[57:04] that once you do its nature starts to
[57:06] become more of your nature and you
[57:08] become receptive to more coherent energy
[57:11] and coherent information and the
[57:14] mechanics of this when it comes to the
[57:15] pineal gland I found really interesting
[57:17] diving into a little bit more with your
[57:18] work because again through many
[57:20] different depictions of the pine cone
[57:22] and the Eye of Horus from ancient Egypt
[57:24] they refer to the pineal gland and I'll
[57:27] try I'm going to try my best to to share
[57:29] the way that you um explain the the
[57:32] effect of how it happens with the
[57:33] cerebral spinal fluid coming up press
[57:36] pressing on these romoon crystals which
[57:39] are six-sided which is interesting
[57:41] because it's six center and create this
[57:45] pazo electric effect look at you which
[57:48] is the mechanical pressure that's pushed
[57:50] on and trans and and transduce into an
[57:52] electrical charge and that that
[57:55] transduction is like an antenna to a TV
[57:57] that allows certain frequencies to come
[57:59] into certain imagery and so when these
[58:02] people are having an experience and I
[58:04] saw at the event and I know I've had it
[58:06] and I know you have it's an experience
[58:09] very sensory sematic experience that is
[58:12] more real than any in time in Newtonian
[58:14] time space reality um then you start to
[58:18] tap into this coherent field yeah yeah
[58:21] so um what did I miss there no it was
[58:23] really great it was really great
[58:25] so the Egyptians were fascinated with
[58:28] the Nether world and many times when
[58:31] they um uh did their mummification they
[58:34] they would keep the pineal gland I mean
[58:36] it was just it was a the pineal gland is
[58:39] a tiny little radio receiver that sits
[58:43] right on the top of your lyic brain the
[58:45] seed of the autonomic nervos system that
[58:47] automatic system so it's packed it's a
[58:51] phus and it's packed with these very
[58:55] very dense crystals that are stacked up
[58:57] on top of each other that are six-sided
[59:00] and it sits right in the back of the
[59:03] third ventricle towards the top of the
[59:05] head and it's in that third ventricle
[59:08] which is like a chamber that where the
[59:10] two hemispheres of the brain come
[59:12] together and the lyic brain is wrapped
[59:14] around it right so the penal gland kind
[59:16] of sits right in the dead end in the
[59:18] corner
[59:18] there there's fluid in the body that is
[59:24] um inside the brain and the spinal
[59:27] column wrapped in this very dense
[59:29] connective tissue called
[59:31] duramat and the fluid bathes the central
[59:35] nervous system it creates buoyancy it
[59:37] transmits nutrients and
[59:39] neuropeptides um it has a
[59:41] neuroprotective role to if there's
[59:43] trauma can slush around in there and it
[59:46] really enhances because of its makeup um
[59:49] electrical charges so it facilitates
[59:51] conductivity in the nervous system and
[59:55] there's just a very natural mechanism in
[59:57] our biology that when we take a breath
[1:00:00] in the sutures of the skull open up and
[1:00:02] the sacrum bone flexes back and that
[1:00:05] fluid kind of drains
[1:00:06] down when you exhale the sacrum kind of
[1:00:09] flexes forward in the sutures of the
[1:00:10] skull Clos and it kind of decreases the
[1:00:13] volume and by pushing that sacrum bone
[1:00:16] forward slightly as you breathe and the
[1:00:18] and the volume closing it propagates a
[1:00:20] wave that pushes the fluid up so it's
[1:00:23] this very twep forward one step back
[1:00:25] mechanism three steps forward one step
[1:00:27] back two steps forward one step back
[1:00:29] back and forth by normal
[1:00:31] respiration and if it starts at the base
[1:00:33] of the spine and that sacrum bone goes
[1:00:35] up all the way to the brain and then
[1:00:36] there's four chambers there's a fourth
[1:00:37] ventricle in the back of the neck right
[1:00:39] at the brain stem then there's a long
[1:00:41] Aqueduct like a long tube and then it
[1:00:44] enters these the the center called the
[1:00:46] third ventricle that's where the pineal
[1:00:48] gland sitting and then there's these two
[1:00:50] horns these two lateral kind of horns
[1:00:52] that that are other lateral ventricles
[1:00:54] where the fluid goes there and then it
[1:00:55] goes whoop around this head and goes
[1:00:57] back down so we do a particular Breath
[1:01:01] by using the intrinsic muscles to blow
[1:01:04] air out and then follow your breath from
[1:01:07] your perineum and to pull that life
[1:01:09] force which is the creative force
[1:01:12] perenium is the space between things the
[1:01:14] space down there and same muscles used
[1:01:17] to eliminate front and back same muscles
[1:01:19] you used for intercourse to coordinate
[1:01:21] the movement of the muscles instead of
[1:01:23] releasing energy out to practice pulling
[1:01:26] that that energy up with your breath
[1:01:27] following it into your lower abdomen
[1:01:29] locking your belly button down continue
[1:01:32] your breath into your gut lock your core
[1:01:35] and if you go one two three like that
[1:01:37] bring your shoulders down lift your
[1:01:38] chest up straighten your spine that
[1:01:41] fluid starts to accelerate up by
[1:01:43] increasing pressure in there feel
[1:01:46] it dude your voice is echoing me from
[1:01:49] the and me from The Retreat so when you
[1:01:51] accelerate these charged molecules and
[1:01:53] they are ions they're they're there's
[1:01:55] proteins and salt solution they have a
[1:01:57] charge and if you accelerate charge
[1:01:59] molecules quickly it creates an external
[1:02:01] field called an inductance field get
[1:02:03] that fluid starting to move and
[1:02:05] accelerate you're going to start to
[1:02:06] create a field like this and as that
[1:02:08] field begins to move that energy that's
[1:02:10] is going to be tunneled right up that
[1:02:12] tube right up that inductance tube and
[1:02:14] the sympathetic nervous system is going
[1:02:16] to switch on it's going to drive that
[1:02:18] energy right to the brain you finish
[1:02:20] your breath right up you finish your
[1:02:22] breath right up at that six center you
[1:02:24] keep your attention right there and
[1:02:25] that's your target
[1:02:27] and there's a way that you can practice
[1:02:30] kind of compressing this phus in the
[1:02:34] right way that begins to exert a
[1:02:36] mechanical stress on those crystals the
[1:02:39] mechanical stress on those crystals
[1:02:41] begins to create a polarization between
[1:02:44] the points on the opposite end like
[1:02:47] they're diamonds right so they're I get
[1:02:48] a positive charge here and a negative
[1:02:50] charge here and when the materials
[1:02:52] become polarized like that it begins to
[1:02:53] produce an external electromagnetic
[1:02:56] field then it says the field is
[1:02:57] reversible so compress the crystals all
[1:03:00] of a sudden you Shimmer the crystals you
[1:03:02] get a charge there they start separating
[1:03:03] from each other and now you got this
[1:03:05] Bank of crystals that are emitting an
[1:03:07] external electromagnetic field the field
[1:03:10] goes out and the crystals have physical
[1:03:12] limitations they can't stretch anymore
[1:03:13] and when that happens the field reverses
[1:03:17] and it compresses the crystals again and
[1:03:19] all of a
[1:03:20] sudden you have this little radio
[1:03:23] receiver that can pick up fre quencies
[1:03:26] that are in exact alignment with those
[1:03:29] waves so
[1:03:30] now it said that it's a transducer so
[1:03:34] now you have energy moving to the brain
[1:03:37] and if all of the mind is in the body
[1:03:39] and all the emotions are stored in the
[1:03:41] body then when the sympathetic nervous
[1:03:44] system switches on it's taking all that
[1:03:46] energy in the form of emotions and it's
[1:03:48] releasing it back to the brain and a
[1:03:50] gate in the brain stem opens up and
[1:03:53] energy moves right into the LM brain the
[1:03:56] seed of the autonomic nervous system the
[1:03:59] brain moves into those High gamma States
[1:04:01] now when the pineal gland becomes
[1:04:03] electrically activated and it's charged
[1:04:05] now you have a positive charge here and
[1:04:07] a negative charge down here and what do
[1:04:08] you have now the
[1:04:10] body becomes a magnet and that the
[1:04:13] intensity of the activation of those
[1:04:15] crystals naturally is going to
[1:04:17] automatically draw those charged
[1:04:20] molecules to it so now you have this pra
[1:04:22] tube moving an enormous amount of energy
[1:04:25] and the person is the person is switched
[1:04:27] on when that
[1:04:29] occurs and the brain is going into this
[1:04:31] heightened State and the nervous system
[1:04:35] the lights are dialed down in the
[1:04:37] thinking personality neocortex
[1:04:39] autobiographical self you're in Theta
[1:04:42] the the anization of the energy moving
[1:04:44] into the brain kind of causes you to
[1:04:47] stop analyzing and thinking right that
[1:04:50] initation that takes place the person
[1:04:52] now all of a sudden the lyic brain
[1:04:54] switches on and now if the nervous
[1:04:57] system is
[1:04:59] coherent and lights are out in the
[1:05:02] neocortex and it's oscillating in order
[1:05:04] like a tuning fork the antenna that's
[1:05:07] sitting right on the top can pick up
[1:05:09] information as long as the nervous
[1:05:11] system is coherent can't read coherent
[1:05:14] can't read any information if there's
[1:05:15] incoherence there's there's no order
[1:05:18] static get the person coherent and now
[1:05:22] all of a sudden the radio receiver can
[1:05:25] start picking up
[1:05:26] information and
[1:05:29] transducing in other words taking the
[1:05:31] information like a TV signal on your TV
[1:05:34] antenna and the antenna then's picking
[1:05:37] up that information and transducing it
[1:05:40] into pictures on your TV screen
[1:05:42] different channels into different
[1:05:44] channels and so there's an infinite
[1:05:45] number of frequencies in the quantum
[1:05:48] which means there's a lot of experiences
[1:05:50] for us to have in the unknown self that
[1:05:53] exists beyond our senses so then
[1:05:56] we discovered in our functional
[1:05:59] MRIs that when the person has the
[1:06:01] default mode Network shut off which
[1:06:03] means they're not trying to predict the
[1:06:05] future they're not trying to anticipate
[1:06:07] anything they're completely in the
[1:06:09] present
[1:06:10] moment when the default mode system is
[1:06:13] shut off then when you don't
[1:06:16] expect anything to happen that's when
[1:06:19] the unexpected happens the correlation
[1:06:22] between the decrease in modulation the
[1:06:25] decrease in part mentalization the more
[1:06:27] order in the
[1:06:28] brain is directly correlated with the
[1:06:31] mystical
[1:06:32] experience and the person who's having
[1:06:34] that mystical experience their brain
[1:06:35] looks like they're on celoc cybin I'm
[1:06:37] not saying that that's what the brain
[1:06:39] canc are saying that's what the DAT is
[1:06:41] actually saying now they can't make
[1:06:43] their brain do that somehow it's
[1:06:47] happening to
[1:06:50] them I love your passion for this
[1:06:53] because I've heard um so many different
[1:06:56] firsthand experiences of how potent and
[1:06:58] transformational this experience is but
[1:07:00] you Bridging the science and
[1:07:01] spirituality of this and the best we can
[1:07:04] with the tools that we have and the
[1:07:06] understanding that's continually growing
[1:07:07] and that you're really pioneering so
[1:07:09] much of the work of is helping bridge
[1:07:11] this understanding of how it's actually
[1:07:12] happening within us
[1:07:14] biologically now if you're open to it I
[1:07:17] would love for you to
[1:07:19] share the experience that you had
[1:07:21] staring to the fire that one time oh my
[1:07:24] God I had the privilege of having you
[1:07:26] over here for the the with the men that
[1:07:28] one night and having the dinner I also
[1:07:29] heard you share the story before and
[1:07:32] it's such a
[1:07:33] um like we're obviously tapping into the
[1:07:37] exploration of the mystical and in ways
[1:07:39] that we can't fully describe but the
[1:07:41] experiences are so real like like we're
[1:07:43] speaking to um and that youve shared and
[1:07:45] so would you be open to sharing a little
[1:07:47] bit of that story yeah yeah so I was
[1:07:49] just thinking why you were talking
[1:07:51] because when we look at the brain scans
[1:07:53] of people in those High yeah High gamma
[1:07:55] States the area right around the Pineo
[1:07:57] gland is on fire like there's an
[1:07:59] enormous amount of energy so we know
[1:08:01] that the radio receivers is dialed in
[1:08:03] you know that it switched on and so I
[1:08:07] think as a child I had a lot of weird uh
[1:08:10] experiences just for me that weren't
[1:08:13] really seemed very common that other
[1:08:15] people were having my brother my brother
[1:08:17] and I both uh but I was always
[1:08:19] fascinated by you know the idea of
[1:08:22] Mystics and what that really meant all
[1:08:24] along you know throughout my whole
[1:08:26] entire life and I started thinking about
[1:08:29] it had to be a change in brain chemistry
[1:08:31] and I you know looked at all kinds of
[1:08:33] exogenous substances and just was
[1:08:35] curious because I was in the healthcare
[1:08:38] field and people would ask me all the
[1:08:40] time about different substances and so I
[1:08:42] just thought it'd be a good idea for me
[1:08:44] to look into
[1:08:45] it
[1:08:47] um but I wasn't interested in looking
[1:08:50] into the data that wasn't scientific so
[1:08:52] I found these really nerdy scientists
[1:08:55] that really spent their whole life their
[1:08:57] whole life studying the pineal gland and
[1:09:00] vertebrates and it's such a fascinating
[1:09:03] Journey because so many vertebrates have
[1:09:05] this little gland in the back of their
[1:09:07] brain that's sensitive to frequency it's
[1:09:10] almost like an
[1:09:11] extra sensory organ so for an example
[1:09:15] the the chameleon has a very soft spot
[1:09:19] right right where the pineal gland sits
[1:09:22] right underneath and the light that's
[1:09:25] coming from the Sun the spectrum of
[1:09:27] visible light and infrared light somehow
[1:09:31] reaches its receptors in the pineal
[1:09:34] gland its little crystals and the
[1:09:37] information it's getting about the
[1:09:39] environment causes that gland to secrete
[1:09:41] melanins or pigments that cause them to
[1:09:44] blend in with the environment they're
[1:09:46] not doing that through their senses I'm
[1:09:48] sure there's an element to it but it's
[1:09:51] an instantaneous process that now
[1:09:52] they're part of the environment for for
[1:09:54] for preservation homing pigeons have
[1:09:57] these magnetic crystals also that allow
[1:09:59] them to navigate True North bees have
[1:10:02] them turtles have them most verts have
[1:10:04] them so so anyway long story short I
[1:10:06] started reading these geeky guys to find
[1:10:09] out what exactly was that I could find
[1:10:11] that wasn't just you know I wasn't
[1:10:13] interested in a hippie book I was
[1:10:14] interested in the science stuff not to
[1:10:16] say that there isn't science and hippie
[1:10:18] books but I wanted to go right to the
[1:10:19] published papers and so I came across
[1:10:22] this paper that was talking about those
[1:10:24] derivatives that I just talked about and
[1:10:27] I found it so fascinating and I started
[1:10:29] thinking about how could the
[1:10:31] brain like how could the brain make
[1:10:34] those derivatives like what would be the
[1:10:36] signaling
[1:10:38] mechanism to get the the brain to make
[1:10:40] them would would it be a Vision Quest
[1:10:43] fasting you know I went through all the
[1:10:45] thoughts in my head and so anyway I
[1:10:47] wrote a paper on it and the paper wound
[1:10:50] up being published was and it um it was
[1:10:52] the day that the paper was
[1:10:54] published and I felt really great about
[1:10:56] it and it was called uh Sarah Mel and
[1:11:00] the whole family of pineal neuro
[1:11:05] transmitters and
[1:11:07] so um I put my kids to sleep I was
[1:11:09] cleaning up the kitchen and I went and
[1:11:11] sat on the couch and um there was a fire
[1:11:14] going I was living in the Pacific
[1:11:15] Northwest at the time and um I was tired
[1:11:19] it was the end of the
[1:11:20] day but I wasn't ready to go to sleep
[1:11:23] and my kids were kind of goofing around
[1:11:25] in the bedroom I was teasing them saying
[1:11:26] I'm going to come in there you know and
[1:11:28] uh so they settled down and got really
[1:11:29] quiet I knew they fell asleep and I
[1:11:31] started thinking about all the things
[1:11:33] that I had to do you know I got to get
[1:11:35] this done I got to get that done
[1:11:36] tomorrow I got to do this one the horses
[1:11:38] is about ready to give birth you know
[1:11:39] all this stuff and the fire was going
[1:11:42] and and um I must have just been in the
[1:11:45] right state where I was gazing Into the
[1:11:48] Fire and I kind of moved into trance and
[1:11:49] I think one of the best ways to induce
[1:11:52] trance is when you're looking at
[1:11:53] something that isn't predictable like
[1:11:56] there's novelty involved whether it's
[1:11:58] the waves rolling in flicker of flame or
[1:12:01] an aquarium or you know creatures are
[1:12:04] moving about somehow we kind of pause
[1:12:07] for a minute and we go into that kind of
[1:12:09] alpha state so I was tired my brain
[1:12:12] chemistry probably was changed I wasn't
[1:12:14] ready to go to sleep but my body was
[1:12:15] tired and I was wake and I was just
[1:12:18] thinking about those derivatives and
[1:12:21] those metabolites and I started fishing
[1:12:23] around with my my awareness
[1:12:26] and I said to myself to my pineal gland
[1:12:29] where are you anyway that's just what I
[1:12:32] said where are you I kind of fished
[1:12:34] around in there and the moment I made my
[1:12:38] attention uh connected to it it was like
[1:12:41] a like a 3dimensional screen opened up
[1:12:42] and I saw this gland and its mouth was
[1:12:45] in spasm and I saw this white milky
[1:12:49] substance coming out of the gland and I
[1:12:51] just was like Wow and then it switched
[1:12:54] and I there was a time piece that was
[1:12:56] probably 15 ft tall I was standing in
[1:12:58] front of I remember the
[1:13:01] crystallin colors on the glass I had
[1:13:04] never seen I've never seen colors this I
[1:13:07] don't know how to describe it it's not
[1:13:08] in the color range that we know but it
[1:13:09] was colors and I could see the Roman
[1:13:12] numerals on every one of that that uh
[1:13:14] numbers on the time
[1:13:16] piece and it was it was brilliant it was
[1:13:20] light and all of a sudden I see the
[1:13:23] hands of the clock quick start rolling
[1:13:27] backwards in time and the moment I see
[1:13:30] that hands of the clock going backwards
[1:13:32] in time I'm thinking while it's
[1:13:34] happening I have the realization oh my
[1:13:35] God the pineal gland is a biological
[1:13:38] time piece that allows us to travel
[1:13:40] forwards and backwards in time I just
[1:13:41] had the thought like oh that's what it
[1:13:43] is and and as the as it's whining
[1:13:48] backwards I realize I'm moving through
[1:13:50] time but I'm not going anywhere I'm I'm
[1:13:54] present but I'm moving through time and
[1:13:58] I'm as I move through time I'm
[1:13:59] experiencing spaces or dimensions and
[1:14:02] they're all stacked up on top of each
[1:14:03] other and I run through my whole life
[1:14:05] till I'm about a 9-year-old kid and I'm
[1:14:08] in I'm I land in my bedroom now I'm Joe
[1:14:12] despenza at that time in my bedroom as
[1:14:15] conscious as I am right now probably
[1:14:17] more looking at myself laying in the
[1:14:21] bed and when I was a kid I really liked
[1:14:24] having fevers
[1:14:25] because I would go super lucid and so I
[1:14:28] was having a fever and my mother had
[1:14:31] just left the room she closed the door
[1:14:34] and she said to my father he's burning
[1:14:36] up and then she would always give me
[1:14:38] like aspirin or baby aspirin or whatever
[1:14:40] and I would always fake like I would
[1:14:42] take it and I put it in my flannel
[1:14:43] pockets and my pajamas and I never took
[1:14:45] it because I didn't want to miss the
[1:14:47] trip like I did not want to miss the I
[1:14:49] didn't want to miss the the flight so
[1:14:52] anyway so here I am watching myself I
[1:14:54] have the covers right up to my nose it's
[1:14:57] dark in my room but I can see myself my
[1:15:00] mother closes the door and I'm looking
[1:15:03] at myself as as a 9-year-old kid and at
[1:15:07] the same time I'm reexperiencing that
[1:15:09] moment I'm 9 years old again and I'm
[1:15:13] deeply involved in trying to figure out
[1:15:15] how time works and I'm seeing it as this
[1:15:20] three-dimensional chessboard but they're
[1:15:22] not cubes they're kind of more like
[1:15:25] honey coms and and I'm watching when we
[1:15:28] change how that affects reality like and
[1:15:30] it's just all
[1:15:31] mathematical and my I'm 9 years old and
[1:15:34] I'm doing this and I'm standing over
[1:15:35] myself and I just like I fall in love
[1:15:37] with this kid I just start laughing I'm
[1:15:39] like oh my God he's going to become you
[1:15:42] like he's definitely going to become you
[1:15:46] cuz I'm still doing that right now you
[1:15:47] know like and so I look at him and I
[1:15:50] shake my head and the moment I fall in
[1:15:52] love with him moment I fall in love with
[1:15:54] him I know that he's he's going to
[1:15:56] become me I know that and I know that
[1:15:59] the love that I'm having for him in that
[1:16:01] moment is actually what's drawing him
[1:16:02] towards me as my future self not as my
[1:16:05] Joe the spenza then I just realized
[1:16:07] there's a bigger thing involved that I
[1:16:09] just had a moment outside of time I was
[1:16:12] outside of time not this kind of time I
[1:16:14] was outside of time in fact I was in two
[1:16:17] places simultaneously conscious you know
[1:16:20] so anyway
[1:16:24] um I I fall in love with this guy and
[1:16:26] then I realize I'm going to become him
[1:16:28] and and I know that somehow My Future
[1:16:30] Self is drawing him to me in
[1:16:33] love and then all of a sudden I look up
[1:16:36] and there's the clock again and all of a
[1:16:38] sudden I start seeing it moving forward
[1:16:40] in time and I'm just like oh no we're
[1:16:43] going forward in time and all of a
[1:16:45] sudden I land on my Ranch uh in the
[1:16:49] Northwest and I'm walking with this long
[1:16:52] cape in the back pastures
[1:16:55] I'm coming through the back pastures
[1:16:57] where the Mars are and I cross through
[1:16:59] the gate and I come through the gardens
[1:17:03] and I'm
[1:17:04] Barefoot and it's a it's a November
[1:17:07] evening and there's a blanket of prisms
[1:17:11] of frost along the carpet of the grass
[1:17:13] and I can see it go on as the moon hits
[1:17:16] it and I'm walking barefoot and the
[1:17:18] ground is ice cold and it feels amazing
[1:17:22] like it felt like I was part of the hole
[1:17:26] like the cold was pleasurable to me I
[1:17:28] didn't have an aversion to it I was part
[1:17:30] of nature it was part of me I was
[1:17:31] connected I don't know how to describe
[1:17:33] it there was a reverence with my feet on
[1:17:35] the earth it was just it was just a
[1:17:37] whole different experience that I've
[1:17:38] ever had and I'm and I love nature and
[1:17:42] so I walk through the gardens and I walk
[1:17:44] across these Basalt stones that I had
[1:17:48] built into a
[1:17:49] fireplace and as I crossed the stones
[1:17:51] the moment I touch the stones I don't
[1:17:53] know how to say this except I knew they
[1:17:55] knew me and I knew them and they were
[1:17:57] Noble and I was noble and we had this
[1:18:00] very strong moment this connection I I
[1:18:03] they were conscious let me just say that
[1:18:05] and I was conscious that they were
[1:18:07] conscious and they were so happy to be
[1:18:09] where they were to serve me I don't know
[1:18:11] how to say this in
[1:18:12] words anyway I'm feeling pretty exalted
[1:18:15] and I walk over to this Fountain where
[1:18:18] there's a beautiful seating area and I
[1:18:20] had all this Wisteria growing and I
[1:18:24] built this fountain with my brother and
[1:18:25] I and I stopped I had the cape I was
[1:18:28] wrapped around I stopped and I looked at
[1:18:29] the fountain and I just started laughing
[1:18:31] like I remember when we built this thing
[1:18:33] and then all of a sudden behind the
[1:18:35] fountain comes this little woman and uh
[1:18:40] again uh she was colors of light I had
[1:18:43] never seen in my life and she was
[1:18:46] radiant and glowing and she was like
[1:18:48] about this big really small and there
[1:18:51] was a like a a steward that was kind of
[1:18:53] behind her that followed her I don't
[1:18:55] know maybe a mentor but someone that was
[1:18:57] kind of protecting her and she just kind
[1:18:59] of walked out from behind the fountain
[1:19:01] and she just looked at
[1:19:03] me now I was feeling pretty good I
[1:19:06] thought I was enlightened you know I
[1:19:09] thought I was there and she looked at me
[1:19:12] and an instant she hit me in the heart
[1:19:14] with a level of love that was probably a
[1:19:18] thousand times greater than what I was
[1:19:20] feeling in that moment and then it just
[1:19:22] and when it hit me in the heart the
[1:19:25] thought on that she was transmitting to
[1:19:27] me is there is always more love and I
[1:19:30] was just like oh my God how foolish how
[1:19:34] arrogant of me how small-minded of me
[1:19:37] like and I was feeling pretty good like
[1:19:38] he would be like wow this is great and
[1:19:41] and she was telling me there was more
[1:19:43] more love and it it hit me so so strong
[1:19:47] in the heart that it kind of Awakened me
[1:19:51] and then I kind of glanced over and as I
[1:19:54] glanced over as my future self I'm
[1:19:57] looking at my current self washing
[1:20:00] dishes in the kitchen moments before I
[1:20:02] laid on the couch and I just kind of
[1:20:05] cross my arms and I take a moment I look
[1:20:07] at this guy and there he is again like
[1:20:10] same guy like he's washing dishes and
[1:20:14] he's trying to dovetail all these
[1:20:16] Concepts he's got all these thoughts on
[1:20:17] his mind he's trying to figure it all
[1:20:19] out you know I see his strengths I see
[1:20:21] his weaknesses I see his sincerity you
[1:20:24] know I I he's me like and I and I just I
[1:20:27] just look at this guy and I fall in love
[1:20:29] with him and my heart is really uh
[1:20:33] expanded in that moment and so I have a
[1:20:36] very strong feeling of love for him and
[1:20:39] I forgot this but when I was washing the
[1:20:41] dishes all of a sudden I felt this crazy
[1:20:44] feeling while I was washing the dishes
[1:20:46] like I felt like what the hell and I
[1:20:48] thought it's somebody somebody looking
[1:20:50] at me outside you know and I kind of
[1:20:52] trying to lean and look out the window
[1:20:54] but the light from the kitchen was
[1:20:56] creating like a reflection so I could
[1:20:58] only see myself and then I thought
[1:21:00] wellow there's dogs on the property it's
[1:21:02] a ranch there was somebody out there
[1:21:04] they'd be going off you know so I just
[1:21:06] kind of looked like that and I just kind
[1:21:07] of went back to washing dishes you know
[1:21:10] anyway so then I came to and I think the
[1:21:14] most powerful part of this whole entire
[1:21:18] thing was that feeling that I had in my
[1:21:20] chest
[1:21:22] like that feeling lingered for about two
[1:21:25] weeks like and then I started thinking
[1:21:27] like what is reality was that real how
[1:21:30] could I feel such a strong emotion from
[1:21:34] something that I don't know that I
[1:21:36] didn't experience in three-dimensional
[1:21:38] reality and then so that furthered my
[1:21:42] investigation both in the research
[1:21:45] Department of the pineal gland but then
[1:21:49] also a lot of the mystical
[1:21:51] understandings that so many cultures had
[1:21:55] around this you know pine cone shaped
[1:21:57] gland that that
[1:21:59] uh somehow has all kinds of wonderful
[1:22:02] effects on the human biology and it's
[1:22:04] called the third eye I don't know I call
[1:22:06] it the first
[1:22:09] eye yeah the first third iPhone call you
[1:22:13] up man the transmission like that there
[1:22:16] is this loving intelligence that is
[1:22:18] guiding us that may be our future selves
[1:22:21] that
[1:22:21] is ineffable but like the experience
[1:22:24] that you have had of your future self
[1:22:27] the love that you had for him drawing
[1:22:29] you to him to who you are and who you're
[1:22:31] evolving to into is uh really profound I
[1:22:34] I mean I I feel it like these intuitive
[1:22:37] hits that we have that pull us in a
[1:22:38] direction that are like Whispers that we
[1:22:40] start to listen to more of and that
[1:22:42] brings us more connection abundance
[1:22:46] Freedom purpose Dharma is really really
[1:22:49] an interesting reflection I think I
[1:22:52] think the biggest takeaway for me with
[1:22:54] without a doubt is I realized that that
[1:22:58] love it wasn't coming from anyone or
[1:23:00] anything out there you stop looking for
[1:23:02] it out there it's like it came from my
[1:23:04] own inner inward Journey you know and I
[1:23:07] think that's when our values change a
[1:23:10] lot you know I mean that's when you know
[1:23:13] I think when we look at people that come
[1:23:14] to our work whether they're coming for
[1:23:16] health or wealth or relationships or
[1:23:19] mystical whatever it is new careers
[1:23:22] they're they're really coming for whole
[1:23:25] that's what they're really coming from
[1:23:27] coming for so
[1:23:30] um the the pineal meditation in and of
[1:23:35] itself um you have to you you have to
[1:23:38] understand what you're doing and why
[1:23:40] you're doing it so you can do the
[1:23:43] meditation with the intention of staying
[1:23:45] present and assigning meaning to every
[1:23:47] single step and it's the act of
[1:23:50] understanding the what and the why that
[1:23:51] switches on the prefrontal cortex for an
[1:23:54] intended outcome and so yeah we've been
[1:23:57] investigating it there areas of the
[1:23:58] brain when the person has a one of these
[1:24:00] transcendental moments um very specific
[1:24:04] areas of the brain that reflect the
[1:24:06] person's having a moment where they're
[1:24:08] creating a long-term memory and the
[1:24:10] emotion that's associated with it is
[1:24:12] love and joy so we know that in no way
[1:24:15] do are they in any type of trouble
[1:24:17] because a neuroscientist sometimes that
[1:24:18] sees these kind of scans thinks seizure
[1:24:21] like almost all the time and the
[1:24:24] person's
[1:24:25] having a connection really a pretty big
[1:24:28] moment yeah I guess last note on that
[1:24:30] I'm just that story is
[1:24:33] uh first off I love that kid I love that
[1:24:36] kid who has this Obsession that's
[1:24:38] reflecting on the nature of time at such
[1:24:41] a young age and has drawn you to where
[1:24:42] you're at now and how that passion is
[1:24:45] still alive thriving bigger than ever
[1:24:47] before you know I we were joking at the
[1:24:50] men's group dinner that we started
[1:24:52] calling you Doctor Strange
[1:24:54] because this real deep passion you have
[1:24:57] for the understanding of the nature of
[1:25:00] reality and to bridge that gap between
[1:25:02] science and spirituality is so uh just
[1:25:05] admire it and and and love that passion
[1:25:07] in you thank you um and I'm just curious
[1:25:10] as you've gone on this journey of trying
[1:25:12] to make sense of all this what's
[1:25:14] happened to you in your innate
[1:25:16] Curiosities there's still obviously the
[1:25:18] Gap from what science can explain or be
[1:25:21] have measured versus the inner intrinsic
[1:25:24] spiritual EXP experiences that we can go
[1:25:25] on describing and I'm just curious how
[1:25:28] do you courageously try to bridge that
[1:25:30] Gap and share experiences which you know
[1:25:32] are going to be ridiculed um if they
[1:25:35] haven't been fully you know fleshed out
[1:25:37] in the scientific world yeah it's really
[1:25:39] easy I don't care like I I really don't
[1:25:41] care like I'm at the point Andre where
[1:25:45] um and I'm not saying this in in the
[1:25:48] least bit in in any arrogant way but I
[1:25:50] know that on some level we're helping
[1:25:52] people and and if I listen to the
[1:25:55] ridicule and the you know the the
[1:25:59] attacks that I had on me to discourage
[1:26:01] me in doing this um then I probably
[1:26:04] wouldn't deserve to be doing it I mean
[1:26:07] the cool thing about the science and the
[1:26:09] investigation is you can call it pseudo
[1:26:11] science anymore that's the first thing
[1:26:13] the second thing is this is not for
[1:26:15] everybody like I love medicine I love
[1:26:18] the advancements and medicine I love
[1:26:20] pharmacology and how they've helped so
[1:26:23] many people including myself you know
[1:26:25] so I'm I'm not saying that drop your
[1:26:28] dependence on your anti-depression as
[1:26:31] anti-depressant tomorrow I'm saying that
[1:26:34] there's an innate capacity for the body
[1:26:36] to heal when it's under the right
[1:26:38] conditions to the degree in which that
[1:26:40] the body heals I'm blown away like I'm
[1:26:43] blown away so it's not me that's saying
[1:26:46] these things it's it's the it's the
[1:26:48] science that's saying it's the research
[1:26:50] that's saying it so we can't call it
[1:26:51] pseudo science any longer we're able to
[1:26:54] reproduce the outcomes which means it's
[1:26:58] really really
[1:27:00] scientific and the idea that people can
[1:27:05] uh understand that they have a
[1:27:07] hand in their own whatever health or
[1:27:11] their own life is such a huge
[1:27:14] responsibility and such a huge Freedom
[1:27:16] uh and
[1:27:18] so I'm not at all concerned about it
[1:27:21] because the conversations that I am
[1:27:23] having with doctors and researchers and
[1:27:27] clinicians um are very different than
[1:27:31] the conversations I was having just two
[1:27:33] years ago because the scientists in the
[1:27:36] person who sees someone with stage four
[1:27:38] cancer going to remission is going to
[1:27:41] say it happens all the time but
[1:27:44] the human in them many times just goes
[1:27:46] if that happened how did that happen
[1:27:48] that's what got me on the journey how
[1:27:50] did that person step out of a wheelchair
[1:27:51] I watched her step out of a wheelchair
[1:27:53] in real time like what what happened in
[1:27:55] there right so so it pequs a greater
[1:27:58] conversation I don't want to argue with
[1:28:00] anybody I'm not saying that people
[1:28:02] should not do the conventional things
[1:28:05] I'm
[1:28:06] saying the nervous system in the human
[1:28:09] body has the capacity to manufacture a
[1:28:12] pharmacy of chemicals that works equal
[1:28:14] to or better than any drug that's what
[1:28:16] our data shows so if you know that's the
[1:28:19] case then it would really be prudent to
[1:28:22] understand if I'm out of homeostasis
[1:28:25] tell me the things I need to do to get
[1:28:27] back into homeostasis so I have energy
[1:28:30] for growth and repair so I have energy
[1:28:32] for long-term building projects and and
[1:28:35] so I was sitting at a table with 15 of
[1:28:38] our scientists two months ago looking at
[1:28:41] the data you know and we had a couple
[1:28:44] new people there but these are very very
[1:28:47] well-published scientists from Harvard
[1:28:50] from Stanford from UCSD from
[1:28:53] everywhere and we're just picking apart
[1:28:55] the the the the research and a new
[1:28:58] neuroscientist was kind of sitting there
[1:29:00] and we one of the leading experts in the
[1:29:03] microbiome is at UC San Diego she's a
[1:29:05] brilliant scientist and really smart
[1:29:08] brilliant person and she was showing
[1:29:11] everybody all the probiotic effects of
[1:29:14] the microbiome and the dramatic changes
[1:29:17] that were taking place in 7even days
[1:29:19] there's no diet there's no probiotic
[1:29:21] that you'll take you know take away the
[1:29:22] sugar take away the alcohol take you
[1:29:24] know fast intermittent whatever it is
[1:29:28] you don't see these kind of changes in
[1:29:29] in seven days ever
[1:29:31] and she was putting up the graphs and we
[1:29:33] were looking at them and there are all
[1:29:35] the growth for anti-cancer
[1:29:37] anti-inflammation you know all these
[1:29:39] really really healthy microbes and the
[1:29:42] neuroscientist just kind of pauses and
[1:29:45] goes excuse me like what like are you
[1:29:49] kid like she it never occurred to her
[1:29:52] but she looked at the evidence and how
[1:29:54] could you deny it you cannot deny it
[1:29:58] because it's that's what the data shows
[1:30:00] right so if it was happening
[1:30:02] in
[1:30:04] 10% of our community and it was the
[1:30:08] right temporal lobe a standard or two
[1:30:10] standard deviations are greater than
[1:30:12] normal in the peak moment of gamma for
[1:30:15] sustained 2
[1:30:16] minutes uh I probably wouldn't be as
[1:30:19] passionate but when you see the
[1:30:23] 77% of the population 84% of the
[1:30:28] population more than one study 100% of
[1:30:32] the population the tribe the flock the
[1:30:36] herd you know the school the collective
[1:30:39] there's an emergent
[1:30:40] Consciousness that's being reflected in
[1:30:43] people's biology in seven days so so the
[1:30:46] scientist who has an
[1:30:48] interest in this area and by the way our
[1:30:50] scientists were very skeptical when they
[1:30:52] started they they call it medicine they
[1:30:54] do the work they say it's the best
[1:30:56] medicine I'm going to keep doing it
[1:30:57] they're not doing it to be spiritual
[1:30:59] they're doing it because they understand
[1:31:01] the Practical value behind it right so
[1:31:05] you look at the data and and you see it
[1:31:07] happen in seven days so many scientists
[1:31:09] just they fall out of their chair and
[1:31:10] they
[1:31:11] go 7 days like all these dramatic
[1:31:15] changes you know
[1:31:17] 77% of the population every one of those
[1:31:20] people with different genotypes genes
[1:31:23] make proteins
[1:31:25] 77% of the herd of the flock are
[1:31:28] expressing the same genes and making the
[1:31:31] same proteins that's more than three out
[1:31:33] of four people there's an immersing
[1:31:35] Consciousness and their biology
[1:31:38] genetically is evolving together in
[1:31:40] seven days so the scientists who who
[1:31:44] have the
[1:31:46] understanding they see this they they
[1:31:49] they're Blown Away by it and and now uh
[1:31:52] we have really great invitations to to
[1:31:55] to delve deeper but do I say that I have
[1:31:57] the only answer no I'm saying wow we
[1:31:59] came across something really we don't
[1:32:01] bias any of our studies we draw blood we
[1:32:04] do brain scans we randomly collect
[1:32:06] things we we we don't we don't we just
[1:32:09] we we measure everything I mean you saw
[1:32:11] the data on the quantum study is very
[1:32:13] very fascin breast milk study is insan
[1:32:15] tear drops breast milk poop
[1:32:17] sweat biometric everything seeing what's
[1:32:21] really happening yeah yeah so it's kind
[1:32:23] of cool so so just a little bit so so
[1:32:26] the conversations I'm
[1:32:28] having uh with Scientists are very
[1:32:31] different uh than they than they were
[1:32:33] years ago and I love when I see some of
[1:32:36] the scientists running the same study
[1:32:37] three or four times in a row they're
[1:32:39] really really thinking they're going to
[1:32:41] get a different outcome they're getting
[1:32:42] a new outcome than they typically would
[1:32:44] expect if they're running it four times
[1:32:46] I know they're changing their belief in
[1:32:48] that moment I know that they're
[1:32:50] discovering something new yeah a really
[1:32:53] fascinating uh share that you guys did
[1:32:56] um with with some of the scientists was
[1:32:59] meditators through intention alone
[1:33:00] upregulating serpent A5 that very very
[1:33:04] interesting it is it is an amazing study
[1:33:07] because I mean when you get the brain
[1:33:10] and the body in the right State and you
[1:33:14] can open the door between the conscious
[1:33:15] mind and the subconscious mind and you
[1:33:18] can get a person relaxed and awake Right
[1:33:20] Between Worlds conscious and their
[1:33:22] subconscious mind if they have the
[1:33:26] intent to Signal a gene to make a
[1:33:28] protein that intention is
[1:33:32] translated as
[1:33:35] chemistry in the form of chemical
[1:33:37] information that's what the intention is
[1:33:39] it's a it's the reflection of
[1:33:41] information
[1:33:43] chemically 100% of the
[1:33:46] people 100% of them that had the
[1:33:48] intention of of regulating serpent A5
[1:33:51] protein 100% of them did it the Trend to
[1:33:55] regulate endogenous interferon was up
[1:33:58] over
[1:33:58] 90% the trend was in the exact same
[1:34:02] direction begs the question if genes
[1:34:05] make proteins what
[1:34:07] protein could you not
[1:34:10] make collagen
[1:34:13] elastin actin mein enzymes hormones you
[1:34:17] know we're just scratching our head
[1:34:19] going wow it's really obvious if we bake
[1:34:22] the study and and we give the another
[1:34:25] group of people serpent A5 and our
[1:34:27] community knows about serpent A5 because
[1:34:29] it's it's in higher concentrations in
[1:34:32] advanced meditators and that's the
[1:34:33] protein that stops the the kovi virus
[1:34:36] from entering the cell right the co
[1:34:38] cannot enter Because this this protein
[1:34:41] inhibits the receptor that cuts the
[1:34:44] spikes off so it's elevated so if you're
[1:34:48] in if you're in the second group and you
[1:34:49] get serpent A5 you think oh my God I got
[1:34:51] I'm the I got the real protein because
[1:34:53] everybody thought they the real protein
[1:34:54] cuz many of them knew about serpent A5
[1:34:56] but if you give them four fake ones four
[1:34:58] ones that don't exist and you bake them
[1:35:00] completely there's no protein there's no
[1:35:02] Gene and you have them
[1:35:05] intentionally signal those
[1:35:09] genes none of the the serpent
[1:35:12] A5 has no has they have a zero effect on
[1:35:15] the serpent A5 why because they're
[1:35:17] putting in a whole order they're not
[1:35:20] just putting in serpent A5 they're
[1:35:21] putting in serpent A5 plus the second
[1:35:23] one plus the third one plus the fourth
[1:35:25] one plus the fifth one and if the order
[1:35:27] is corrupt it's not going to make any of
[1:35:30] them that's how intelligent our
[1:35:33] autonomic nervous system is so without
[1:35:35] knowing the molecular structure of
[1:35:37] serpent A5 without knowing the molecular
[1:35:40] structure or the gene expression of
[1:35:41] endogenous interferon the intention
[1:35:45] somehow reaches the autonomic nervous
[1:35:47] system and it manufactures a pharmacy of
[1:35:50] chemicals equal to that
[1:35:52] intention the
[1:35:55] possibilities are endless if you can get
[1:35:58] a person into the right State another
[1:36:01] very interesting study that points to
[1:36:03] just how powerful our thoughts and
[1:36:05] intentions and beliefs are was the robot
[1:36:08] and chick study very very fascinating
[1:36:11] and just another example of how um in
[1:36:15] the study they show the the power of uh
[1:36:17] the ability to change the direction of a
[1:36:20] robot that was controlled by a random
[1:36:22] number generator right I would for you
[1:36:24] to share a little bit about that okay
[1:36:26] I'll share it on in two levels okay okay
[1:36:29] so um there was a study done by this
[1:36:33] French researcher Renee p and what he
[1:36:36] did was he built the an arena and he
[1:36:40] built a random event generator and the
[1:36:42] random event generator um is programmed
[1:36:46] to randomly turn left or right like a
[1:36:48] zero or one it's going to turn right or
[1:36:49] left but it's not going to be right left
[1:36:52] right left right left right left it's
[1:36:53] going to randomly do it and the more you
[1:36:55] go right left right left right left or
[1:36:57] heads Tails heads tails the more you get
[1:36:59] 50% so he sets the random event
[1:37:02] generator inside the arena and as you
[1:37:04] would expect it's going to cover pretty
[1:37:06] much the whole entire
[1:37:08] space he then hatches these baby chicks
[1:37:11] and baby chicks uh imprint right that's
[1:37:15] what they do so they imprint on this
[1:37:18] robot thinking it's their mother and so
[1:37:23] then he takes the baby chicks and he
[1:37:24] puts them in a cage outside of the
[1:37:30] arena and he turns on the random event
[1:37:32] generator and the baby chick's intention
[1:37:36] and the love and emotion that they felt
[1:37:38] for their mother caused the random event
[1:37:41] generator to turn 100% of the
[1:37:44] time in the direction of the baby chicks
[1:37:48] now these baby chicks with a very very
[1:37:51] tiny teeny weeny little brain and teeny
[1:37:53] weeny little heart somehow had some type
[1:37:57] of influence on a programmed
[1:38:02] machine to behave more orderly and less
[1:38:06] randomly okay so in our work we say I
[1:38:09] mean just for the sake of Simplicity
[1:38:11] everything's vibrating your thoughts are
[1:38:14] electric and your feelings your hard
[1:38:17] feelings are
[1:38:18] magnetic so if you can get the brain
[1:38:21] coherent you can send the very clear
[1:38:23] signal as an electrical charge into the
[1:38:25] field you get that heart turned on and
[1:38:28] feel the emotion before it happens the
[1:38:30] heart is a magnetic field and we it's up
[1:38:33] it's measured it's you can measure it
[1:38:34] the more coherent the heart the more you
[1:38:36] have a strong magnetic field and that's
[1:38:39] what draws experiences to us so in our
[1:38:43] work we marry a clear intention and
[1:38:46] elevated emotion a coherent brain and a
[1:38:48] coherent heart and create a Wi-Fi signal
[1:38:51] and if there's a vibrational match
[1:38:52] between
[1:38:54] some possibility in the quantum field of
[1:38:56] frequency or
[1:38:58] information and your
[1:39:00] energy and you're creating beyond space
[1:39:03] and time from the field instead of from
[1:39:05] matter and it's the field that creates
[1:39:08] matter is it possible when there's a
[1:39:10] vibrational match to draw that
[1:39:12] experience to you without having to do
[1:39:14] anything right so we use that as a
[1:39:17] teaching
[1:39:18] tool so that people can see then oh my
[1:39:21] God if a baby chick can do it I
[1:39:23] certainly can do it so that's one point
[1:39:26] and people do it all the time the other
[1:39:28] thing is we use random event generators
[1:39:30] during our coherence healings and
[1:39:33] there're sophisticated coin tosses and
[1:39:35] the machines that we have uh pretty much
[1:39:38] toss a coin about a thousand times in a
[1:39:40] second so it's a lot of tosses for the
[1:39:44] whole event and when nobody's in the
[1:39:46] room there's a little Parabola like this
[1:39:48] when there's nobody in the room you see
[1:39:50] it go head stes head sales but it's
[1:39:51] pretty much 5050 okay when we do our
[1:39:55] in-person coherence healings where we're
[1:39:58] going to change the information in the
[1:40:00] field of the person who's laying there
[1:40:03] with some type of health condition 2,000
[1:40:05] people in this case in different PODS of
[1:40:07] about six to eight people focusing
[1:40:08] intention and energy on one individual
[1:40:10] yeah with a coherent brain and a
[1:40:11] coherent heart change the information in
[1:40:13] their field could change the destiny of
[1:40:15] matter yet a collective network of
[1:40:18] observers together with brain and heart
[1:40:19] coherence single-minded with one
[1:40:21] intention to give life to another's life
[1:40:23] to love another person into life get
[1:40:25] them together get get the tribe together
[1:40:28] to to bring life back into some of the
[1:40:30] members life something happens where you
[1:40:33] can't not open your heart
[1:40:36] so when we do those coherence
[1:40:39] healings the graphs are insane there you
[1:40:42] know here we go like this all of a
[1:40:43] sudden the group gets together and all
[1:40:45] of a sudden
[1:40:47] 111111111111111 just keeps going way
[1:40:49] outside of that Parabola somehow a
[1:40:52] collective Network of observers with
[1:40:54] brain and heart coherence is causing a
[1:40:57] machine that's programmed to go zeros
[1:41:01] and ones all of a sudden to behave more
[1:41:03] orderly and that happens just about 100%
[1:41:07] of the time when we do those coherence
[1:41:10] healings so then we did further studies
[1:41:13] where we put several of them in the room
[1:41:14] and we took one and we insulated it in a
[1:41:17] faraday cage which is basically nickel
[1:41:19] and copper mostly copper but nickel too
[1:41:21] and those are heavy metals that insulate
[1:41:23] electromagnetic frequencies you go to
[1:41:25] the radiologist and they're going to
[1:41:27] x-ray your spine they may put a copper
[1:41:29] little something over your ovaries just
[1:41:31] to to diminish the absorption of
[1:41:33] radiation
[1:41:34] so when we when we wrapped it in Copper
[1:41:38] and nickel all the other machines
[1:41:40] behaved very orderly except the one that
[1:41:43] was wrapped so we know now on some level
[1:41:46] that the metal somehow insulated some
[1:41:48] type of
[1:41:51] electromagnetic energy heart being the
[1:41:53] magnetic field brain being the
[1:41:55] electrical signal in the field so we
[1:41:58] look at the last point we look at the we
[1:42:01] were just looking at this data with a
[1:42:03] Stanford I'm sorry with a Harvard
[1:42:06] cardiologist and he there was this one
[1:42:09] fascinating fascinating um uh
[1:42:13] measurement where we had all these
[1:42:14] people wearing HRV measurements and
[1:42:17] beginning of the coherent cealing
[1:42:19] everybody's heart coherent and then you
[1:42:20] see this dramatic drop in everyone of
[1:42:23] the coherence healings where the heart
[1:42:25] becomes incoherent and he said can
[1:42:28] somebody tell me why it only happens
[1:42:29] during the coherence healings and never
[1:42:32] in the other any other meditations they
[1:42:33] just get more coherent it's because that
[1:42:36] moment there's an
[1:42:37] arousal and that's the moment the entire
[1:42:39] Collective is now on the sympathetic
[1:42:42] nervous system switched on and it's
[1:42:43] moving enormous amounts of energy a lot
[1:42:46] of energy to the brain what happens
[1:42:49] afterwards is truly insane because when
[1:42:53] as I said earlier just like when people
[1:42:55] create after that coherence healing
[1:42:58] their heart energy and coherence goes up
[1:43:03] weeks later in other words they're not
[1:43:06] trying to feel love they feel love like
[1:43:10] and then the next question is why would
[1:43:12] you stop doing it it's so much better
[1:43:15] than a football game it's so much better
[1:43:17] than a shopping spree and you're and
[1:43:19] you're and you're helping people
[1:43:23] to heal and change and we've got
[1:43:26] unbelievable stories of people with
[1:43:28] stage four cancers and blindness and
[1:43:31] deafness and all kinds of spinal cord
[1:43:34] injuries you know muscular distrophy all
[1:43:37] kinds of ALS all kinds of crazy
[1:43:39] conditions where people are you know
[1:43:42] somehow renewed uh by the
[1:43:45] collective those group coherence
[1:43:47] healings are so fascinating to me and
[1:43:48] were beautiful to be a part of and I
[1:43:50] really felt the love that we give is the
[1:43:53] love that we receive and because that's
[1:43:55] who we are in our tressence at least I
[1:43:57] feel and it's man people had powerful
[1:44:01] experiences and I know this is this was
[1:44:03] your 50th year uh weekl long uh Retreat
[1:44:07] and um I got to meet a lot of people who
[1:44:08] have been going many times uh the vast
[1:44:11] majority were first- timers that that
[1:44:13] went 75%
[1:44:15] 75% met um a lot of incredible
[1:44:18] individuals Stephanie who got stage four
[1:44:20] lung cancer listens to this podcast met
[1:44:23] so many people who um who are
[1:44:25] communities have know they self as well
[1:44:27] and people that have been studying your
[1:44:29] work for a long time and have had
[1:44:30] immense Transformations and have had
[1:44:32] relatives that have had immense
[1:44:34] Transformations and it's just really
[1:44:36] beautiful to see the sincerity of the
[1:44:37] individuals on the path and their
[1:44:40] Devotion to healing and man I just can
[1:44:43] only imagine there's so many different
[1:44:46] factors of what goes into the energetics
[1:44:48] of somebody going through one of these
[1:44:49] healings one giving themselves the
[1:44:51] permission to receive which maybe they
[1:44:53] they never have had that much focused
[1:44:55] attention in their whole life of people
[1:44:57] genuinely just giving them love and a
[1:44:59] focus and then their capacity to receive
[1:45:02] that and then the actual energetics of
[1:45:03] it uh is just so powerful and I'm
[1:45:05] excited to see the studies that continue
[1:45:07] to be done by you guys yeah we're doing
[1:45:09] we now we have groups of people that do
[1:45:11] remote coherence healings I mean where
[1:45:14] the person is not even in the
[1:45:16] room there's 60 people focusing on a
[1:45:18] picture of a person and we did a study
[1:45:22] with PTSD uh a triple blind Placebo
[1:45:25] study if you can imagine
[1:45:26] that um where we use fake pictures and
[1:45:30] the group didn't know who they were
[1:45:32] healing or or what group which was the
[1:45:34] Healy that was real or
[1:45:36] wasn't anyway at the end of the study a
[1:45:39] six- week
[1:45:41] intervention uh nine out of 10 people
[1:45:45] that were diagnosed with PTSD no longer
[1:45:47] had PTSD that works better than any
[1:45:50] pharmaceutical any treatment so we're
[1:45:52] working with autistic kids now and wow
[1:45:55] the changes that are taking place with
[1:45:57] these kids we're we're super excited so
[1:45:59] yeah we'll continue we're doing a study
[1:46:00] on cancer right now another aspect of
[1:46:03] the retreat that I found really
[1:46:04] beautiful were the walking
[1:46:06] meditations what has seeing men
[1:46:09] specifically getting into their heart
[1:46:11] done for you yeah it's really really
[1:46:12] cool to see I mean well I was raised in
[1:46:16] a very ethnic very emotionally you know
[1:46:18] connected family I mean I was my uncles
[1:46:21] and my the men in my family were very
[1:46:25] affectionate with each other so um I
[1:46:28] think you know the program for men is to
[1:46:31] succeed and to compete and to accomplish
[1:46:34] and be the best or the first or the most
[1:46:36] or whatever that
[1:46:37] is you know it's part of our biology um
[1:46:41] and you can get really good at using
[1:46:43] that third Center uh to get there um but
[1:46:47] I think when men really open their
[1:46:48] hearts it's really beautiful to see
[1:46:50] because uh there's this kind of child
[1:46:53] like quality uh in this kind of
[1:46:56] freshness that happens and I and I and
[1:46:58] mean I I do my best in my life in the
[1:47:01] companies that I own to lead with my
[1:47:03] heart because I think that's the best
[1:47:05] actually in my life I think it's the
[1:47:07] best way uh for us to be the example so
[1:47:11] it takes a lot uh for men to figure that
[1:47:15] out you know because it goes so against
[1:47:17] the program many of them and yet I've
[1:47:20] seen so many men heal uh when they do in
[1:47:23] walking
[1:47:24] meditations are a great way to practice
[1:47:27] doing it with your eyes open I mean you
[1:47:29] got to start with your eyes closed so
[1:47:31] you're not distracted by your
[1:47:33] environment or the drives of your body
[1:47:35] or your schedule or
[1:47:37] [Music]
[1:47:38] whatever but you got to get so good at
[1:47:40] doing it with your eyes closed you got
[1:47:41] to be able to do it with your eyes open
[1:47:43] that's the game this is the plane of
[1:47:44] demonstration if you're going to heal
[1:47:46] yourself demonstrate it if you're going
[1:47:48] to heal another person you got to
[1:47:50] demonstrate it if you want to heal
[1:47:51] someone else at a remote location you
[1:47:54] got to demonstrate it right you got to
[1:47:55] have the
[1:47:56] experience so so men who do open their
[1:47:59] hearts uh and boy I
[1:48:03] mean we have some uh some men who you
[1:48:07] know they didn't even want to come to
[1:48:08] the event you know their their wives
[1:48:10] dragged them there and you know we're
[1:48:13] looking at their HRV measurements
[1:48:16] and not only are they in hard coherence
[1:48:19] but the amplitude of energy in their
[1:48:22] heart is Three Times Higher 200% higher
[1:48:26] than than most people that's that's not
[1:48:28] a lot that's not a little love that's a
[1:48:31] lot of love for a person to feel so we
[1:48:35] believe the heart is the creative center
[1:48:36] it's the union of opposites of polarity
[1:48:38] of Duality it's where wholeness begins I
[1:48:40] think it's it's where our Divinity
[1:48:42] starts it's a great place for us to
[1:48:45] practice feeling those emotions and it
[1:48:47] goes
[1:48:48] against in many cases the animal self
[1:48:52] and if you're living in surviv
[1:48:54] living in stress is just not a time to
[1:48:56] open your heart cuz that would mean
[1:48:57] You're vulnerable so teaching men how to
[1:49:00] do it and practicing doing that I think
[1:49:04] has benefits in so many wonderful ways I
[1:49:07] think also you know going back home the
[1:49:10] the important key is the the
[1:49:12] continuation of the practice right
[1:49:13] because if you have an enlightening
[1:49:15] experience then go back into an
[1:49:17] environment that informs your old
[1:49:18] personality which then leads to that
[1:49:20] reality that is is your oldelf yeah
[1:49:23] seamless it happens seamless yeah you
[1:49:26] know I want it to be an experiment Andre
[1:49:29] I don't I you know I like I never use
[1:49:31] the words discipline you know this is a
[1:49:33] discipline you know I want it to be an
[1:49:36] experiment for people like if if if a
[1:49:40] victim is someone who's allowing their
[1:49:43] outer environment some person some
[1:49:45] circumstance some condition to literally
[1:49:49] affect and control the way they're
[1:49:50] feeling and the way they're thinking and
[1:49:53] you say why are you upset today well I
[1:49:56] am upset because of this person what
[1:49:57] you're saying is that person is actually
[1:50:01] influencing and controlling my feelings
[1:50:03] and my thoughts which makes us victim to
[1:50:05] the environment there's nothing new
[1:50:06] judgment there it's just an what we call
[1:50:10] it the desire that I have is to see if
[1:50:13] you can change the way you think and
[1:50:15] feel with a coherent brain coherent
[1:50:18] heart and see if you can produce those
[1:50:20] synchronicities so you believe more that
[1:50:22] you're the creator of of your life and
[1:50:24] less of the victim of your life so the
[1:50:26] experiment is am I the creator of my
[1:50:29] life and do I believe that
[1:50:32] now if you believe that then it means
[1:50:35] you have to get up and create because if
[1:50:38] you're not being defined by a vision of
[1:50:40] the future you're going to be left with
[1:50:42] the memories of the past and you're
[1:50:43] going to be predictable in your life
[1:50:44] super predictable in your
[1:50:46] life so then it takes time and practice
[1:50:51] in a constant re
[1:50:53] vision of the model and understanding
[1:50:56] what you're doing it's so much easier to
[1:50:58] forget this information than to remember
[1:51:00] it
[1:51:00] so the experiment is okay let me do this
[1:51:03] for two weeks and let's see if I'm a
[1:51:06] Creator let's see if I start having
[1:51:08] these synchronicities these unknowns and
[1:51:11] I'm not talking about a parking space
[1:51:13] you know people will tell you oh yeah
[1:51:14] I'm good at creating parking spaces and
[1:51:17] oh my my roommate from college was going
[1:51:18] to I just thought of him and he
[1:51:19] literally called me okay well you accept
[1:51:22] that but you can't accept that you could
[1:51:24] create something even greater right so
[1:51:27] so then so the creative process then is
[1:51:30] an investment in your future and if
[1:51:33] you're not if you're not waking up in
[1:51:35] the morning and being a Creator then
[1:51:37] more than likely you're going to be a
[1:51:39] victim to your life right so how do you
[1:51:41] believe in that future more than you
[1:51:43] believe in your past you got to open
[1:51:46] that heart of yours and that emotion
[1:51:47] that you feel has you feel connected to
[1:51:50] that future right you you can't
[1:51:53] believe in that future if you're feeling
[1:51:55] the emotion of the past you'll believe
[1:51:57] in your past more right so so people who
[1:52:00] do the work in heal some of them you
[1:52:03] know that that you know do their
[1:52:06] meditations three times a day they tell
[1:52:07] me backstage I say why and they're just
[1:52:10] like well because I started disbelieving
[1:52:13] again I started doubting that I could do
[1:52:14] it and I and I just had to sit down and
[1:52:17] do it again and they would get up and
[1:52:19] believe in that future and a belief is
[1:52:21] just a thought you keep thinking over
[1:52:23] and over again so it's wired in your
[1:52:24] brain marry that belief with a very
[1:52:28] intensely strong emotion the stronger
[1:52:31] the emotion you feel the more you'll
[1:52:32] remember that belief and you're giving
[1:52:34] your body a taste of the future
[1:52:37] emotionally so they had to get up
[1:52:39] believing in their future more than they
[1:52:41] believed in their past and some people
[1:52:42] get up from their meditations and they
[1:52:44] believe in their past more than their
[1:52:46] future and they didn't overcome
[1:52:47] themselves that's all that means the
[1:52:50] second thing that I found so fascinating
[1:52:51] is that when I interview people who
[1:52:54] truly do change and the chemo and the
[1:52:57] radiation and the surgeries and the drug
[1:53:00] trials and the diets and the gluten-free
[1:53:02] and the vegan and the organic and the
[1:53:03] whatever didn't work I mean nothing
[1:53:06] changes in our life until we change they
[1:53:08] were doing their
[1:53:10] meditations not to heal they were doing
[1:53:13] their meditations to change they figured
[1:53:15] if I change then I'll heal now it's a
[1:53:18] totally different game because now
[1:53:21] you're out of the bleachers and you're
[1:53:22] on the playing field field and you got
[1:53:23] to you got to watch your responses with
[1:53:26] your eyes open to everyone and
[1:53:27] everything 1 hour of meditation against
[1:53:30] 16 hours in your waking day where you
[1:53:32] feel coherent and great and the rest of
[1:53:34] the time you're you're insecure and
[1:53:36] you're competitive and you're frustrated
[1:53:38] and you're nervous and you're
[1:53:40] anxious no
[1:53:42] diet no exercise program no uh
[1:53:45] supplements no magic thing is going to
[1:53:48] keep you back in homeostasis if you're
[1:53:52] emotionally out of balance
[1:53:53] you know all the time so people get
[1:53:55] really prudent in this work because
[1:53:58] they're they realize I got to keep
[1:53:59] changing if I'm going to keep healing
[1:54:02] and so that's when it becomes that's
[1:54:04] when it
[1:54:05] becomes uh more engaging for a person to
[1:54:09] believe in themselves and I think when
[1:54:11] you believe in yourself you're believing
[1:54:13] in a new possibility and when you
[1:54:15] believe in a new possibility you got to
[1:54:16] believe in yourself so getting up every
[1:54:18] day and getting Beyond I'm too tired I
[1:54:20] don't feel like it I'll do it later I'm
[1:54:22] not very good at this I don't know what
[1:54:24] I'm doing you know all that stuff that
[1:54:25] people talk themselves out and and and
[1:54:28] then their disbelief in themselves
[1:54:30] becomes a habit and that's that's what
[1:54:33] we that's all we work on in a 7-Day
[1:54:36] event you just keep showing up for you
[1:54:39] keep showing up for you keep showing up
[1:54:41] for you keep doing getting beyond the
[1:54:43] last one going into the next one keep
[1:54:44] going keep going keep going sooner or
[1:54:46] later you're going to feel really worthy
[1:54:48] of whatever future you're creating you
[1:54:50] you put your time in you're not not in
[1:54:52] an entitled way not in like an arrogant
[1:54:55] you know self-important way like not
[1:54:57] like that just like you feel like hey i'
[1:55:00] I I know it's going to happen so and I
[1:55:04] think the universe only gives us what we
[1:55:05] think we're worthy of receiving and so
[1:55:07] showing up for
[1:55:08] yourself uh becomes the new habit
[1:55:11] instead of giving up on yourself you're
[1:55:14] describing what is the the Pinnacle or
[1:55:16] the the pivotal aspect of of this work
[1:55:19] is in the moment where we Face
[1:55:21] challenges where it's easy to regress
[1:55:23] back into our old unconscious reactive
[1:55:26] self to step into a conscious Creator
[1:55:28] and choose the direction of who we're
[1:55:31] becoming we start to perceive our
[1:55:33] challenges differently right like when
[1:55:35] when something challenging that would
[1:55:37] push us back into how we used to act
[1:55:40] comes in I feel like the switch in what
[1:55:42] you're describing here is you see it as
[1:55:43] an opportunity to to make a declaration
[1:55:46] of who you're becoming and so I would
[1:55:48] love for you to share anything on that
[1:55:50] but also in your own personal life when
[1:55:52] challenges arise
[1:55:54] as having your hand in so many things
[1:55:58] incredibly like it's it's guaranteed
[1:56:01] that at any given moment something's
[1:56:03] going wrong right you you really have to
[1:56:06] have deeper Mastery over this when
[1:56:08] there's so many opportunities to slip
[1:56:09] into
[1:56:10] unconsciousness I think we're all faced
[1:56:12] with great opportunities brilliantly
[1:56:14] disguised as impossible situations I
[1:56:16] believe that I love that and I think you
[1:56:18] know I have a friend who's a researcher
[1:56:20] at UC Santa Barbara my my son youngest
[1:56:23] son loves him he says he's a cross
[1:56:25] between Einstein and Jerry Garcia he's
[1:56:28] just super cool guy super cool guy and
[1:56:31] they were they found this window in the
[1:56:34] in the radial area here where you can
[1:56:37] measure
[1:56:38] resilience um to and
[1:56:41] responses um that are that help the body
[1:56:44] or or weaken the
[1:56:46] body and the the differen
[1:56:48] differentiating
[1:56:50] factor that I found so unique and I go
[1:56:52] to breakfast with them typically once a
[1:56:54] month on the beach the differenti
[1:56:56] different differentiating factor is the
[1:56:58] person who sees what's in front of them
[1:57:00] as a challenge will strengthen the
[1:57:02] response the person who sees it as a
[1:57:04] problem actually the response to the
[1:57:06] environment is weakening the organism
[1:57:08] right so so the problems that we face in
[1:57:12] our life are there and we've created
[1:57:15] from a certain level of Consciousness or
[1:57:18] unconsciousness and by not consciously
[1:57:21] changing them over for time we agree
[1:57:24] with them until they become a problem
[1:57:26] right so we can't resolve that problem
[1:57:29] from the same level of Consciousness we
[1:57:31] have to go to a greater level of
[1:57:32] Consciousness now that means then if you
[1:57:35] keep thinking the same way about that
[1:57:37] problem and you keep feeling the same
[1:57:39] way about that problem and how you think
[1:57:42] and how you feel creates an energetic
[1:57:43] field your energy is actually the same
[1:57:47] and nothing changes in your life until
[1:57:48] you change your energy and when you
[1:57:50] change your energy you change your life
[1:57:51] okay so if I'm going to go at this
[1:57:54] problem from the same level of mind and
[1:57:57] same emotional
[1:57:59] response it's not going to change and if
[1:58:01] my
[1:58:02] emotion is causing me to put more of my
[1:58:05] attention on the problem it's entirely
[1:58:08] possible that I'm the one that's keeping
[1:58:10] the problem the same now that's not a
[1:58:13] fun thing to
[1:58:15] admit so do I react in my life
[1:58:18] absolutely but the question is how long
[1:58:20] are you going to react that's the real
[1:58:22] question right I mean if you keep it
[1:58:24] going on for a long period of time
[1:58:26] you'll go unconscious right so so I
[1:58:31] think it's
[1:58:32] valuable um to learn how to
[1:58:35] self-regulate so we don't return back to
[1:58:38] the same Collective Consciousness that
[1:58:40] everybody else is feeling and thinking I
[1:58:42] think it's really great to um change
[1:58:46] your emotional state and learning how to
[1:58:49] shorten the refractory period of your
[1:58:51] emotional actions I think
[1:58:53] self-regulation is a great way to do
[1:58:55] that and I also think that taking
[1:58:59] time and asking for answers or tuning
[1:59:03] into a possibility that you haven't
[1:59:06] thought of is super powerful as well and
[1:59:10] to place your attention in a reality
[1:59:13] where the problem doesn't exist and we
[1:59:15] call that changing boxes so I use that
[1:59:18] particular meditation all the time
[1:59:21] because there's got to be a possibility
[1:59:24] in the quantum field uh where the
[1:59:27] problem doesn't exist right so so I work
[1:59:30] on regulating my emotional states
[1:59:32] sometimes I find it really valuable to
[1:59:35] gain information like somebody somewhere
[1:59:38] at some point had to face a similar
[1:59:40] thing what did they do to get through it
[1:59:42] right so information is a great way to
[1:59:45] build models of understand and give you
[1:59:47] some direction the person who's really
[1:59:49] sincere about reading that information
[1:59:51] will begin to rehearse mentally
[1:59:53] what they're going to do all right I got
[1:59:54] the information okay in this situation
[1:59:56] I'm going to try this and you kind of
[1:59:57] review it in your mind that's installing
[1:59:59] the hardware right like if uh my
[2:00:02] cooworker is going to say something
[2:00:03] triggering rehearsing how you want want
[2:00:05] to show up yeah what would love do yeah
[2:00:06] like what would love do today how could
[2:00:08] I be with her and see that she's just in
[2:00:10] pain like how can I just not react like
[2:00:13] every how she expects everybody to react
[2:00:16] I'm going to react differently I'm going
[2:00:17] to love her in that moment and you're
[2:00:19] going to have to practice that a few
[2:00:20] times in your mind right so the ACT of
[2:00:22] closing your eyes and mentally
[2:00:24] rehearsing what you're doing if you're
[2:00:27] truly present the brain doesn't know the
[2:00:29] difference between the real life
[2:00:31] experience and what you're imagining
[2:00:33] you're the brain's going to look like
[2:00:34] you've already did it so now you're
[2:00:36] priming the brain you're installing the
[2:00:38] hardware for you to use when you get
[2:00:41] with your coworker and and then your
[2:00:44] response then and behaving equal to your
[2:00:48] intention produces a new experience and
[2:00:50] the new experience should produce a new
[2:00:51] emotion and instead of you feeling
[2:00:53] resentful and judgmental you the end
[2:00:57] product is you feel more love for her
[2:00:58] and you're like oh my God I totally
[2:01:00] understand her and something
[2:01:02] changes as a result of it that's so
[2:01:05] so I don't know if there's ever an end
[2:01:08] to that so so the rehearsal process is
[2:01:11] taking the philosophical the theoretical
[2:01:15] knowledge and information and think
[2:01:17] about how you're going to apply it how
[2:01:18] you're going to personalize it how you
[2:01:19] going to use it how you going to
[2:01:21] initiate that knowledge so that you can
[2:01:24] have an experience and the experience
[2:01:26] then produces the emotion and now when
[2:01:29] we feel the emotion we're teaching our
[2:01:31] body chemically to understand what our
[2:01:33] mind has intellectually understood in
[2:01:35] other words the information is not just
[2:01:37] in the mind now the information is in
[2:01:39] the body right that realization like you
[2:01:42] said can be very uncomfortable when
[2:01:45] you're so identified in the
[2:01:47] somethingness of a personality you live
[2:01:50] in relation to other beings with your
[2:01:51] distorted perception of them you don't
[2:01:53] actually get to connect with them which
[2:01:54] is a painful realization because you're
[2:01:57] not actually in intimacy with life and
[2:02:00] other you're in a distorted you have a
[2:02:02] distorted mental perversion of
[2:02:04] everything and everyone around you and
[2:02:07] um I just yeah I just find that
[2:02:09] reflection you gave of viewing these as
[2:02:11] opportunities and mentally rehearsing uh
[2:02:14] is really empowering way for you to step
[2:02:15] into interacting and being intimate with
[2:02:18] life and other individuals uh in general
[2:02:21] and
[2:02:22] the more I feel like as you're speaking
[2:02:24] this to this like it makes me feel like
[2:02:26] the more that you tap into that
[2:02:27] nothingness the experience of
[2:02:28] nothingness the more that when you're
[2:02:30] faced with challenging somethingness is
[2:02:33] the less you are Avers or cling or need
[2:02:36] to control as much I think that's
[2:02:38] because in order for you to get to that
[2:02:40] nothingness you got to get beyond your
[2:02:42] emotional body right so if you keep
[2:02:45] lowering the volume to some emotion you
[2:02:47] keep working with I don't know I'll make
[2:02:49] one up in patience and and you're just
[2:02:53] and your body's getting revved up and
[2:02:55] you're doing that for a little while uh
[2:02:58] finally when you when you settle your
[2:02:59] body down and it goes you know the
[2:03:01] hardest part of every war is the last
[2:03:03] battle so it throws everything at you
[2:03:04] and you're like sorry I'm going to just
[2:03:07] sit here until you're done when you kind
[2:03:10] of finally free yourself from that place
[2:03:12] it makes total sense that it's not in
[2:03:15] you anymore so you you walk out into
[2:03:17] your world and your response is like you
[2:03:20] see a part of yourself you used to be in
[2:03:22] another person that you no longer are
[2:03:24] and you have nothing but compassion for
[2:03:26] them cuz you see oh my God that person's
[2:03:28] suffering oh my God that person's just
[2:03:31] afraid I I know that because I used to
[2:03:33] be that right and but it's not like oh I
[2:03:36] res I resist or judge that person it's
[2:03:38] more like oh I get it like I get it
[2:03:41] so what's the value behind that I think
[2:03:44] Mir neurons everybody wants to behave in
[2:03:48] a better way they just don't know how
[2:03:50] some people you know
[2:03:53] know what they want to change and why
[2:03:55] they want to change they just don't know
[2:03:56] how to change right so we've
[2:03:59] spent many many years since
[2:04:02] 2011 you know doing the research to
[2:04:06] understand the neuroscience and the
[2:04:08] biology of change and um I think on some
[2:04:13] level
[2:04:15] um it's it it the scci the science that
[2:04:19] we've created has become the language
[2:04:22] uh to to be inclusive for
[2:04:24] everybody one aspect that is making this
[2:04:27] more accessible to people is the new
[2:04:28] documentary which people can find out
[2:04:30] more um about at sourcethe film.org I
[2:04:34] saw it beautiful um congratulations it's
[2:04:37] really awesome to to see the science
[2:04:40] that you guys have been working on for
[2:04:41] years starting to come out to the light
[2:04:42] in a really accessible format um so
[2:04:44] super well done sharing some of the
[2:04:46] stories as well of people in their in
[2:04:48] their periods of transformation um so
[2:04:50] people just can check that out Shameless
[2:04:52] right there um and uh just a couple last
[2:04:56] little things as we start to head
[2:04:58] towards wrapping up I think as you have
[2:05:01] been such a Pioneer and leader in these
[2:05:04] inperson immersive experiences with
[2:05:06] thousands of people for decades now you
[2:05:09] start and I love the passion and and how
[2:05:11] you explain the phenomena that is
[2:05:13] emergence and how there's an
[2:05:14] intelligence that is bottom up rising
[2:05:17] from a collective group of individuals
[2:05:19] and beings and it seems as though this
[2:05:22] intelligence that has a structure to
[2:05:24] Consciousness is far vaster than
[2:05:26] anything in our analytical mind could
[2:05:28] conjure up and so thank God yeah
[2:05:32] seriously so what do you make of the
[2:05:34] phenomena that is emergence as Humanity
[2:05:36] starts to become more empowered and wake
[2:05:38] up to their true nature what do you feel
[2:05:39] like is being birthed through US wow I
[2:05:42] mean this is game time I mean this is
[2:05:44] really game time and
[2:05:46] because everything around us that's
[2:05:49] challenging Us in so many ways
[2:05:52] it's so easy to fall into survival and
[2:05:57] to live in stress and when you're in
[2:05:59] survival and stress the only thing that
[2:06:01] matters is you so you see separation
[2:06:04] that is created amongst communities and
[2:06:08] as a side effect of that everybody looks
[2:06:09] different or is different than you and
[2:06:11] there's less trust and and and there's
[2:06:13] there's no emergence in fact there's
[2:06:16] everything but that there's a lot of
[2:06:18] competition and there's a lot of need
[2:06:22] if you can get a group of people
[2:06:24] together and you can give them new
[2:06:28] information about themselves and Empower
[2:06:31] them to contemplate it to repeat it to
[2:06:34] understand it to learn it to wire it in
[2:06:36] their brain have them choose to do
[2:06:38] something with it uh give them the the
[2:06:42] the the conditions and the environment
[2:06:44] where they feel safe enough to try it
[2:06:46] out have them give them numerous
[2:06:48] opportunities to connect numerous
[2:06:51] opportunities to overcome
[2:06:53] themselves numerous opportunities
[2:06:55] continuously believe in themselves and
[2:06:57] apply sooner or later they're going to
[2:06:59] have the experience of what you're
[2:07:00] talking about right and the experience
[2:07:02] then as I said you embody the truth of
[2:07:05] it emotionally right that's the game
[2:07:07] that's the payoff right the emotional
[2:07:08] experience turns out that that emotion
[2:07:11] somehow the experience and the behavior
[2:07:14] and the choice is signaling Behavior
[2:07:17] dependent genes uh experience dependent
[2:07:20] genes and a whole host of other genes
[2:07:23] changes the body to look like the
[2:07:25] person's literally in a different life
[2:07:28] so as I said the collective then when
[2:07:30] you people behave in the same way and
[2:07:33] and exposed to the same information they
[2:07:36] evolve
[2:07:37] together and when you see the flock of
[2:07:40] birds the starlings or the school of
[2:07:42] fish there's no leader that's everybody
[2:07:45] that everybody is following that would
[2:07:48] that would that would be incidental that
[2:07:50] everybody is leading it's not a top down
[2:07:52] phenomenon it's a bottom up phenomenon
[2:07:53] which means in order for us to create a
[2:07:56] new Consciousness you're representation
[2:07:58] of the whole and if you change enough
[2:08:01] people you can change the world right so
[2:08:04] person by person if you want greatness
[2:08:08] and you want love then every single
[2:08:10] relationship that you should have in
[2:08:12] your life should be a reflection of that
[2:08:14] intention and all of the sorrow all the
[2:08:17] pain goes away and a part of us must die
[2:08:20] then that is not love or anything that's
[2:08:22] not love in US must die and that's the
[2:08:24] difference between knowing the path and
[2:08:26] walking the path so get people out of
[2:08:31] survival and the body's no longer
[2:08:34] tormented by the addiction the side
[2:08:36] effect is called
[2:08:37] joy and the side effect of that is
[2:08:39] called self-love that's the absence of
[2:08:41] the addiction energy immediately moves
[2:08:44] into the heart and then you see a
[2:08:45] transcendental thing occur amongst the
[2:08:48] collective and we now know that people
[2:08:51] people change people so you get a
[2:08:53] collective group of people that's
[2:08:55] retreated from their lives and not
[2:08:57] seeing the same people going the same
[2:08:59] place doing the same things having the
[2:09:00] same experiences filling their brain
[2:09:02] with knowledge and information applying
[2:09:03] that information for seven days and
[2:09:05] there's an emergent Consciousness that's
[2:09:07] created that's reflected in every single
[2:09:10] study that we do and nobody's so special
[2:09:12] to be
[2:09:14] excluded 84% of the people in the
[2:09:18] collective we draw their blood they're
[2:09:20] Advanced meditators we put them in the
[2:09:21] presence of any cancer cell and there is
[2:09:24] a diminishing of energetic
[2:09:27] function in the cancer cell 84% of the
[2:09:31] tribe has information in their blood
[2:09:33] that's a reflection of a greater level
[2:09:35] of wholeness like that is an emergent
[2:09:39] biology and and then get somebody on the
[2:09:43] stage you saw one I mean she had a
[2:09:46] brutal past I mean you can't tell me any
[2:09:48] longer your past is too brutal for you
[2:09:50] to change this person was attempted
[2:09:53] murdered when she was 4 years old she
[2:09:54] was molested by her stepfather she had
[2:09:57] everything happened to her you could
[2:09:59] possibly imagine still tried to live her
[2:10:01] life worked out for 6 hours trying to
[2:10:03] get the panic attacks to go away 30 plus
[2:10:07] hours a week she timed herself in
[2:10:10] full-on panic mode night
[2:10:12] terrors no pharmaceutical no
[2:10:14] psychiatrist no drug no nothing no diet
[2:10:18] nothing was changing her she stands on
[2:10:21] the stage
[2:10:23] and she is the example of truth there's
[2:10:26] no she has no Suicidal Tendencies any
[2:10:28] longer she's a happy person she's free
[2:10:31] she doesn't have any panic attacks all
[2:10:32] her health condition went away she's
[2:10:34] talking and we're looking out in the
[2:10:36] audience and I'm looking at 2,200 people
[2:10:39] in Cancun and everybody's leaning in
[2:10:43] everybody's looking at her because she's
[2:10:45] speaking the truth and there's somebody
[2:10:48] shining their light so someone else can
[2:10:50] shine she broke through a certain level
[2:10:53] of Consciousness or
[2:10:55] unconsciousness that said that this is
[2:10:56] the truth and
[2:10:58] invariably that person could overcome
[2:11:00] her past so many people were that were
[2:11:03] complaining about whatever it was if
[2:11:06] they were truly on the path they would
[2:11:08] be like oh my God if she can change I
[2:11:11] can change and just like a infection
[2:11:14] spreads amongst the community and
[2:11:16] creates disease all of a sudden you see
[2:11:18] Wellness you see Health you see
[2:11:20] generosity you see all these wonderful
[2:11:23] things emerge in the collective and
[2:11:26] there's a footprint in
[2:11:28] Consciousness for someone else to step
[2:11:31] in and we've had five people at a
[2:11:33] week-long event step out of a wheelchair
[2:11:36] like I didn't plan that I was more
[2:11:37] surprised than anybody two blind people
[2:11:40] at one event what about one blind person
[2:11:42] two people five people with reard
[2:11:44] syndrome like it just it just becomes
[2:11:47] infectious right so that's why I'm so so
[2:11:52] intentional with our youth Community I
[2:11:54] want them to grow up I want them to grow
[2:11:57] up at our Vents and see that healing is
[2:12:00] normal I want that to be part of their
[2:12:03] belief like they've witnessed enough
[2:12:06] people heal from all cancers all kinds
[2:12:09] of things in bones and organs like I
[2:12:12] want them I want that to be their belief
[2:12:15] I want that to be normal for them so
[2:12:18] there are footprints in Consciousness in
[2:12:20] in a time right now of
[2:12:22] extremes and severe polarity it's so
[2:12:26] easy to default into survival and take
[2:12:29] for yourself and this is the time where
[2:12:31] we have to create community that means
[2:12:33] then when everybody is in fear has the
[2:12:36] time to show courage when everybody's in
[2:12:39] lack that's the time to give when
[2:12:41] everybody else is throwing stones and
[2:12:42] judging that's the time to show
[2:12:45] compassion um and consideration And when
[2:12:47] everybody else is rushing and competing
[2:12:49] to get to the top that's the point to
[2:12:51] stand still and draw the experience to
[2:12:53] you and yes in the beginning it will
[2:12:55] feel
[2:12:56] unnatural but if you keep doing what
[2:12:58] feels unnatural sooner or later we
[2:13:00] become Supernatural and that's that's
[2:13:02] the game right and and so then you see
[2:13:05] that in people when you walk into your
[2:13:07] life I want this work not to be about
[2:13:10] you or anybody telling people you need
[2:13:12] to be more emotionally intelligent you
[2:13:14] need to open your heart you know I I
[2:13:16] don't want people to be philosophers I
[2:13:18] want them to say look I want to show you
[2:13:19] what happiness looks like I want to show
[2:13:21] you what what greatness looks like I
[2:13:23] want to show you what abundance really
[2:13:24] looks like I there are people in our
[2:13:26] work that become super abundant of
[2:13:28] course they're going to give that's what
[2:13:30] abundant people do they have more than
[2:13:31] they need right so so there is an
[2:13:34] emerging Consciousness that's taking
[2:13:36] place and for the the incredible number
[2:13:39] of crazy things at least from what I'm
[2:13:42] witnessing in the world that's going on
[2:13:45] there's some really wonderful things as
[2:13:47] well that that speak to hope you know
[2:13:50] that people actually
[2:13:52] are greater than they think more
[2:13:54] powerful than they know more unlimited
[2:13:56] than they can ever dream and all I offer
[2:13:58] people is my greatest understanding of
[2:14:00] the truth and numerous opportunities to
[2:14:02] experience it nothing more those
[2:14:04] numerous opportunities to experience it
[2:14:07] is so profound in how it activates the
[2:14:10] light of awareness when people go back
[2:14:12] home into their daily lives and they
[2:14:14] encounter the darkness of
[2:14:16] unconsciousness and they become a candle
[2:14:18] flame they become the light that
[2:14:20] illuminates dark wherever they go and
[2:14:23] they become a part of that new Earth
[2:14:24] that's being birthed yeah it's said many
[2:14:26] times that where there is no vision the
[2:14:28] people will perish and right now the
[2:14:31] vision and the um story and the Mythos
[2:14:34] of separation is propagated on a wide
[2:14:37] scale says that we are separate we are
[2:14:40] very IND individualistic and in that
[2:14:42] understanding you have to be in the
[2:14:44] vibration of fear and what you are doing
[2:14:48] what um many people are waking up to is
[2:14:51] being a true leader in the new paradigm
[2:14:54] in the new story where this old outdated
[2:14:56] Paradigm of separation is dying out and
[2:14:58] a new one is being birthed but we're
[2:15:00] still in this time between stories where
[2:15:03] the old hasn't fully fell off and the
[2:15:05] new hasn't fully yet emerged but what a
[2:15:07] ride what a beautiful time to be born
[2:15:09] where we get to choose to be stewards of
[2:15:11] that new Earth and New Dawn and um and
[2:15:14] and the last thing that I I would love
[2:15:15] for you to share on man is is the power
[2:15:17] of that enlightened leadership I feel
[2:15:19] like we are desperate for more conscious
[2:15:22] awaken leadership on the planet right
[2:15:23] now yeah I mean um well we'd have to
[2:15:27] talk about really some of the great
[2:15:29] qualities of leaders right I mean
[2:15:31] leaders are defined by a vision of the
[2:15:34] future that's inclusive to everyone like
[2:15:37] that has to do with prosperity and
[2:15:40] abundance and equality and learning and
[2:15:43] education and Ingenuity and inventions
[2:15:45] and solving the problems of the world
[2:15:49] not for self-interest but because we're
[2:15:50] a species that lives on the world you
[2:15:52] know on this Earth and that somehow um
[2:15:55] we there are solutions to everything so
[2:15:57] if you want to control people control
[2:15:59] their emotions and if you control their
[2:16:01] emotions you can control their attention
[2:16:04] I think it's time for us to wake up
[2:16:06] really and look past all of that and and
[2:16:08] see that there are better ways uh to do
[2:16:11] things and and uh leadership really
[2:16:14] should be leading from the heart because
[2:16:17] when you lead from the heart you
[2:16:18] consider the whole that's what it is and
[2:16:21] when you consider the whole then that
[2:16:22] means you have to really start thinking
[2:16:24] about the feeling of what everybody will
[2:16:28] experience when we arrive at that vision
[2:16:31] and the feeling should be inclusive that
[2:16:34] there is evolution that there is growth
[2:16:37] and I think about this all the time you
[2:16:39] know because so many things are falling
[2:16:40] apart you know whether it's the economy
[2:16:43] whether it's political system whether
[2:16:45] it's journalism whether it's
[2:16:47] education uh whether it's the
[2:16:48] environment you know medicine you know
[2:16:52] everything looks like it's kind of kind
[2:16:54] of coming apart at the seams and I think
[2:16:57] if the old is dying away we can't create
[2:17:00] the same thing uh again we have to we
[2:17:03] have to really do something much better
[2:17:05] and much different and I think it isn't
[2:17:07] it isn't necessary to try to fix the
[2:17:10] culture I think it's better to provide
[2:17:12] something better for people and people
[2:17:15] will naturally leave that um you know
[2:17:18] that kind of consensus reality and join
[2:17:21] another one and and and I think that I
[2:17:23] think you know I think this is a time
[2:17:26] where you can't you can't vandalize and
[2:17:29] you can't steal and that's what that's
[2:17:31] what people do when they're in Survival
[2:17:32] we got to come together and say look we
[2:17:34] just got to we got to look out for each
[2:17:36] other in in a very different way it goes
[2:17:37] so against you know how we've been
[2:17:40] programmed biologically it seems as
[2:17:43] though the voices are here and they're
[2:17:44] multiplying rapidly and just like you
[2:17:46] shared it you know reminds me of Bucky
[2:17:48] Fuller's quote about not being able to
[2:17:51] to um fight outdated systems but build
[2:17:54] new ones that make the old ones
[2:17:56] obsolete yeah I mean and what a great
[2:17:59] time because I mean reality is
[2:18:02] not images and
[2:18:04] stimulation and for a lot of people it
[2:18:07] is I mean and so I think everybody has
[2:18:10] to get their head in the game like their
[2:18:12] head and their heart in the game here in
[2:18:14] 3D reality and and you know start
[2:18:16] showing the world really what love does
[2:18:19] or what greatness looks like or what
[2:18:20] nobility is or what honor and strength
[2:18:22] is it's in us uh it's just time to
[2:18:25] demonstrate get enough people to
[2:18:27] demonstrate it I think uh you can make
[2:18:29] big big changes in the world the last
[2:18:31] thing I'd love for you to share is for
[2:18:33] the listeners that have made it to two
[2:18:35] almost and a half hours in this
[2:18:37] conversation clearly they're they're
[2:18:38] interested in what we're talking about
[2:18:40] here as we realize that a collective is
[2:18:43] made up of many different individuals
[2:18:45] and you're speaking to going on our own
[2:18:47] Awakening journey and we see our own
[2:18:49] purpose Dharma our puzzle that fits into
[2:18:51] the greater hole that is unique to us
[2:18:53] like a like a thumb print is unique to
[2:18:55] everybody we all have an expression of
[2:18:56] how we can show up that is unique on
[2:18:58] this planet um any words of advice you
[2:19:02] have for people perhaps through the lens
[2:19:04] of how you've unlocked it in your own
[2:19:06] life to continue to cultivate our
[2:19:09] capacity to listen to that inner voice
[2:19:12] and intuition that's helping us Blossom
[2:19:14] and and discover that dharmic purpose to
[2:19:16] share with the world yeah you got to
[2:19:18] take time you got to take time for
[2:19:20] yourself I mean you cannot do it unless
[2:19:23] you sit in peace you know you have to be
[2:19:25] able to find a time where you set your
[2:19:28] cell phone down you shut off your power
[2:19:30] down all your technology and you know
[2:19:33] you ask yourself like what do I know or
[2:19:36] you know have the contemplative process
[2:19:38] you know to really start thinking about
[2:19:40] what you do know and what you want to
[2:19:42] understand better I think it's like it's
[2:19:45] so important for us to make time for
[2:19:49] ourselves uh to practice uh to practice
[2:19:52] and we're just we're just we're the the
[2:19:54] knowledge that we gain is the Forerunner
[2:19:58] to the experience and we just discovered
[2:20:00] the more people understand what they're
[2:20:01] doing and why um the how gets easier so
[2:20:05] if you're on the journey fill your brain
[2:20:07] with information and knowledge
[2:20:09] information is power and it's
[2:20:11] self-empowering when it's about you
[2:20:13] right and then do something with it you
[2:20:15] know I was just talking to my son about
[2:20:17] this the other day I mean
[2:20:19] experience um knowledge without
[2:20:22] experience is philosophy you know the
[2:20:24] experience without knowledge is
[2:20:26] ignorance you know we got to marry the
[2:20:27] two in some way so to trust our
[2:20:30] intuition um we got to get out of our
[2:20:32] analytical mind and if it takes you two
[2:20:34] years to get there it's worth it if if
[2:20:37] the heart resets the Baseline for trauma
[2:20:39] in the brain then you got to stop got to
[2:20:42] stop feeling resentment and and learning
[2:20:45] how to start feeling love that means you
[2:20:47] got to make different chemicals and
[2:20:48] that's not something you may do
[2:20:49] overnight
[2:20:51] but if you understood like if I do some
[2:20:53] deep breathing and it slows my brain
[2:20:54] waves down and I know that if where I
[2:20:56] place my attention is where I place my
[2:20:58] energy of put my tension on the heart I
[2:21:00] can begin to awaken the center if I can
[2:21:02] move out of survival and the sympathetic
[2:21:05] into the parasympathetic me practice
[2:21:07] doing that assign meaning to the ACT
[2:21:09] you'll produce an outcome I think people
[2:21:12] have become impatient because of you
[2:21:15] know they're so used to clicking on
[2:21:17] something in Amazon Prime and getting it
[2:21:18] you know the next day like that's not if
[2:21:21] you're really going to create
[2:21:23] reality in in an unconventional way um
[2:21:26] you got to practice you got to get
[2:21:28] practice getting Beyond yourself and I
[2:21:31] think knowledge is the the great um you
[2:21:33] know Catalyst uh for the experience so
[2:21:36] if you're truly going to trust yourself
[2:21:38] and trust your intuition if you're truly
[2:21:40] going to find the place um to be kind
[2:21:43] and considerate and caring in your life
[2:21:46] um there's just a part of you that
[2:21:47] you're going to have to leave behind and
[2:21:49] and when when I interview people that do
[2:21:52] walking meditations that heal in one
[2:21:54] walk I always say to them what the heck
[2:21:56] happened to you and they say I just
[2:21:58] decided who I was going to leave
[2:22:01] behind it's the overcoming
[2:22:04] process that is the becoming process a
[2:22:08] person who's sick who has the belief
[2:22:10] that they only have a certain amount of
[2:22:12] time to live that's because somebody
[2:22:14] told them that and when they had the
[2:22:16] diagnosis and they felt the emotion it
[2:22:18] created created a long-term memory and
[2:22:21] that information made it all all the way
[2:22:22] in there okay okay so that's I got to
[2:22:25] change that belief wof I got to believe
[2:22:27] something else that's not that's not
[2:22:29] easy you know so it may be a good idea
[2:22:31] to watch testimonials on our website I
[2:22:34] know we have over 800 of them they're
[2:22:36] great stories they're not they're good
[2:22:38] stories like and and start really going
[2:22:40] my God if she can do it I can do it okay
[2:22:43] that's the belief okay so now I got to
[2:22:45] stop thinking this way right cuz a
[2:22:47] thought over and over again is a belief
[2:22:49] I got to start thinking this way so with
[2:22:51] intention with attention I'm going to
[2:22:52] remember to think this way and I'm going
[2:22:53] to remember not to think this way okay
[2:22:56] all right the person who heals also says
[2:22:59] Okay um I can't act this way I can't
[2:23:01] behave this way I got to I got to change
[2:23:03] my behavior so how do I want to behave
[2:23:05] this is fundamental this is not that
[2:23:08] hard rehearse it like we talked about
[2:23:10] behave that way the hard part is feeling
[2:23:12] the emotion your entire day the body
[2:23:15] wants to drop down into its most common
[2:23:19] denominator that doesn't mean you have
[2:23:20] to walk around as a fanatic you know you
[2:23:23] know being a positive thinker but the
[2:23:26] person who
[2:23:27] heals understands that if I feel this
[2:23:30] emotion and my body is so objective that
[2:23:33] it doesn't know the difference between
[2:23:35] the experience and the environment
[2:23:37] that's creating that emotion and the
[2:23:38] emotion that I'm creating by thought
[2:23:40] alone and it's the environment that
[2:23:42] signals the gene I learned that the end
[2:23:44] product of the experience in the
[2:23:46] environment is the emotion if I feel
[2:23:48] this emotion could I signal genes ahead
[2:23:52] of the environment I'm going to
[2:23:53] intentionally signal the gene ahead of
[2:23:56] the environment when I feel that emotion
[2:23:57] turns out 100% of the people actually
[2:24:00] did it so why is that essential because
[2:24:04] information over and over again learning
[2:24:06] the information applying it practicing
[2:24:09] it getting into it getting beyond the I
[2:24:12] can't it's too hards I want to quit
[2:24:15] that's going past that point is where
[2:24:18] the magic happens going past that point
[2:24:20] we've discovered is when the brain
[2:24:23] changes the most so you have to be your
[2:24:25] own life coach you know you have to be
[2:24:27] your own Master right and making time
[2:24:30] out of your busy day to be a Creator to
[2:24:34] overcome some aspect of yourself it is
[2:24:36] the overcoming process that's the
[2:24:38] becoming process the person who's sick
[2:24:40] who says uh I I don't feel like it I
[2:24:43] don't feel my body doesn't feel very
[2:24:44] well they do their meditations anyway
[2:24:46] the person says I'm doubting today they
[2:24:48] don't go I'm just they they overcome
[2:24:50] their out the person who says I'm God
[2:24:53] I'm living in so much fear because the
[2:24:55] doctor told me I'm going to die they
[2:24:56] they they surrender to love instead of
[2:24:58] fear that's what they're that's the
[2:24:59] overcoming process that they could say
[2:25:01] I'm too busy I got too many things to do
[2:25:03] I got kids I got job
[2:25:05] whatever they find the time so they make
[2:25:08] the time and they it's the
[2:25:10] overcoming that is the becoming process
[2:25:13] that that's the that's the David versus
[2:25:16] Goliath aspect of ourselves takes an
[2:25:18] enormous amount of energy it's takes an
[2:25:21] enormous amount of awareness but
[2:25:22] certainly everybody who's done that
[2:25:24] looks back at their disease or looks
[2:25:26] back at their problems and conditions in
[2:25:28] their life and so many of them say I
[2:25:30] would have never changed I would have
[2:25:32] never been this happy if I didn't have
[2:25:34] that disease that that was a catalyst or
[2:25:37] for me to become someone else so they're
[2:25:40] no longer victimized by their disease
[2:25:42] they they've M they they've overcome it
[2:25:45] and they're ready for their next
[2:25:48] experience Joe thank you so much for
[2:25:51] sharing your wisdom and experience here
[2:25:53] on the no self podcast today you know
[2:25:55] the drive that we all have to know
[2:25:57] ourselves and the courage to be
[2:26:00] ourselves um and the the places for
[2:26:03] information like this and wisdom for
[2:26:04] your like yours to to be to be shared is
[2:26:06] just I'm so grateful for it and um you
[2:26:10] know the the very last thing I I just
[2:26:12] would love for you to to to Riff on if
[2:26:15] you if you'd like
[2:26:17] is this emergent conscious field that is
[2:26:21] is coming through us right in our own
[2:26:22] individual process it's leading us
[2:26:25] somewhere as Earth 2.0 if you want to
[2:26:28] call it that is being revealed what does
[2:26:29] that look like for you what is your
[2:26:31] vision of the new Earth and how it
[2:26:32] expresses itself God I hope everybody
[2:26:34] realizes the Divine lives within them
[2:26:37] and everybody is part of Oneness and we
[2:26:39] treat each other the way we want to be
[2:26:41] treated you know I mean I think that is
[2:26:44] so essential I mean to show up as the
[2:26:46] example in the world and so um I'm just
[2:26:50] a guy that's on the journey that has a
[2:26:52] lot of questions that that loves loves
[2:26:54] the opportunity to evolve in in some way
[2:26:58] um but I want I want it to empower
[2:27:01] people I want people to be empowered by
[2:27:03] the idea that everybody is a Creator in
[2:27:05] their life everybody can come together
[2:27:07] and do it so so so the message of course
[2:27:11] is my God there's a Divine quality
[2:27:14] within every human being and the only
[2:27:16] way that you could see it is to become
[2:27:19] it
[2:27:20] thank you so much for sharing your
[2:27:22] becoming process with us you're welcome
[2:27:24] and uh just appreciate you and it's been
[2:27:26] lovely to get to know you more and more
[2:27:28] and um yeah man just last words for
[2:27:31] where people can uh find anything that
[2:27:33] you want to point them towards the
[2:27:34] website the doc anything else well the
[2:27:37] documentary you know just came out um
[2:27:39] you know and I and I I think it's a
[2:27:42] great balance between some of the
[2:27:45] science that we we've discovered about
[2:27:47] you know human potential with you know
[2:27:49] peer reviews scientists that were as I
[2:27:52] said Skeptics in the beginning and some
[2:27:54] wonderful testimonials of people that
[2:27:55] have actually healed themselves and heal
[2:27:58] healed their lives in some way and for a
[2:28:00] person who's new to this that's
[2:28:04] skeptical science uh doesn't an amazing
[2:28:07] job I had a one of our corporate
[2:28:08] trainers text me and she said my both of
[2:28:10] my brothers are Physicians my one
[2:28:13] brother is the leading
[2:28:16] robotics uh surgeon for kidneys he said
[2:28:20] he saw the doctor documentary and he
[2:28:21] said I got to learn how to meditate I
[2:28:23] mean and you know I mean the science is
[2:28:26] that good so so so the documentary is a
[2:28:29] great way to just get an exposure to
[2:28:31] like what we do at our weeklong events
[2:28:33] um there's plenty of resources like
[2:28:36] there's Progressive workshops that you
[2:28:37] know kind of are immersive online course
[2:28:40] uh there's the formula which is a little
[2:28:41] bit easier to to get through uh but just
[2:28:44] Dr Joes spenser.cat
[2:28:50] the books too yeah incredible again
[2:28:53] thank you so much and thank you to your
[2:28:54] team who make a wild event feel seamless
[2:28:58] you know and Flawless when I know that's
[2:29:01] only born as a byproduct of a lot of
[2:29:03] attention to detail and hard work and uh
[2:29:06] just really really special and and thank
[2:29:07] you for um the invitation to come out
[2:29:09] and experience it it was really really
[2:29:11] potent yeah I was so happy to see you
[2:29:13] out there I was so happy to see you in
[2:29:14] the audience so thanks for coming yeah I
[2:29:16] saw you on the beach in the walking
[2:29:17] meditation I was watching you yeah
[2:29:21] all right well everybody thank you so
[2:29:22] much for tuning into this episode of the
[2:29:23] know thyself podcast everywhere you guys
[2:29:25] can find the doc sourcethe film.org will
[2:29:28] be link down in the description below
[2:29:30] thank you for doing the work thank you
[2:29:32] for being on the journey and until next
[2:29:34] time be well
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