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[0:05] anyway thank you for for taking time
[0:07] away from your day to come and be here
[0:09] this is really cool I didn't know that
[0:10] this place existed and certainly would
[0:13] never have known based on the
[0:15] clandestine outside um appearance and uh
[0:19] just had a wonderful time at the
[0:22] cafeteria I kind of wish that I worked
[0:24] here it's really great um so this is my
[0:27] book and it's about a year that I spent
[0:29] traveling around the world after um a
[0:31] very painful divorce which is probably
[0:33] redundant um but uh you know everybody
[0:36] thinks their divorce was particularly
[0:38] painful and and I guess I'm no exception
[0:40] and uh I I also followed my divorce with
[0:43] the classic post- divorce rebound
[0:46] disastrous relationship so um within a
[0:49] year of it all settling I was pretty
[0:51] much as they would say in Italian dista
[0:54] and um so I decided to to start all over
[0:58] with my life and get rid of everything
[1:00] and went and traveled around the world
[1:01] for a year and I went to these three
[1:03] countries to Italy India and Indonesia
[1:05] and in each place I was sort of seeking
[1:07] one part of myself that I felt I had
[1:09] lost and um and I wanted to look for it
[1:12] against the backdrop of a culture that
[1:14] specializes in that you know so Italy of
[1:17] course was about pleasure where else
[1:19] would you go and India was about
[1:21] devotion and Indonesia specifically Bali
[1:24] was about trying to figure out how you
[1:26] can create a life that incorporates
[1:27] pleasure and devotion in equal measure
[1:30] and um the bones seem to have some sort
[1:32] of a lock on that so I I wanted to sort
[1:34] of study how they do it and um and
[1:36] that's the book and that's the journey
[1:38] and I'm just going to read one little
[1:39] short piece of it for you today um and
[1:41] then we can just have a conversation and
[1:43] take questions or or do whatever you'd
[1:46] like play telephone whatever um but this
[1:49] is from the India section and it's um
[1:52] it's just some some of my thinking about
[1:54] my my own um nent
[1:58] spiritual explorations
[2:01] when I was 9 years old going on 10 I
[2:04] experienced a true metaphysical crisis
[2:07] maybe this seems young for such a thing
[2:09] but I was always a precocious child it
[2:12] all happened over the summer between
[2:13] fourth and fifth grade I was going to be
[2:16] turning 10 years old in July and there
[2:18] was something about this transition from
[2:20] 9 to 10 from single digit to double
[2:22] digit that shocked me into a genuine
[2:25] existential Panic usually reserved for
[2:27] people turning 50 I remember that life
[2:29] was passing me by so fast it seemed like
[2:32] only yesterday I was in kindergarten and
[2:34] here I was about to turn 10 soon I would
[2:37] be a teenager and then middle-aged and
[2:39] then elderly and then dead and soon
[2:42] everybody else would be dead too my
[2:44] parents would die my friends would die
[2:46] my cat would die my older sister was
[2:48] almost in high school already I could
[2:50] remember her going off to first grade
[2:52] only moments ago it seemed in her little
[2:53] knee socks and now she was in high
[2:55] school obviously it would not be long
[2:57] before she was dead what was the point
[2:59] of all of this
[3:00] the strangest thing about this crisis
[3:02] was that nothing in particular had
[3:04] spurred it no friend or relative had
[3:06] died giving me my first taste of
[3:08] mortality I had not even yet read
[3:10] Charlotte's Web this panic I was feeling
[3:13] at the age of 10 was nothing less than a
[3:14] spontaneous and full out realization of
[3:16] mortality's inevitable March and I had
[3:19] no spiritual vocabulary with which to
[3:21] help myself manage it we were
[3:23] Protestants and not even devout ones at
[3:25] that we said Grace only before Christmas
[3:28] and Thanksgiving dinner and went to
[3:29] church sporadically my dad chose to stay
[3:32] home on Sunday mornings finding his
[3:34] devotional practice in farming I sang in
[3:37] the choir because I liked singing my
[3:39] pretty sister was the angel in the
[3:40] Christmas Pageant my mother used the
[3:42] church as a headquarters from which to
[3:44] organize good works of volunteer service
[3:46] for the community but even in that
[3:48] church I don't remember there being a
[3:49] lot of talking about God this was New
[3:52] England after all and the word god tends
[3:54] to make us Yankees very nervous my sense
[3:57] of helplessness was overwhelming what I
[3:59] wanted to do was pull some massive
[4:01] emergency break on the universe like the
[4:03] breaks I'd seen on the Subways during
[4:05] our school trip to New York City I
[4:07] wanted to call a time out and demand
[4:09] that everything just stop until I could
[4:11] understand it I suppose this urge to
[4:13] force the entire universe to stop in its
[4:16] tracks until I could get a grip on my
[4:18] thoughts might have been the beginning
[4:19] of what dear friends of mine have called
[4:21] my control issues of course my efforts
[4:24] and worry were feudal the closer I
[4:26] watched time the faster it spun and that
[4:28] summer went by so quickly that it made
[4:30] my my head hurt and at the end of every
[4:32] day I remember thinking another one gone
[4:34] and bursting into tears this sadness is
[4:37] one of the great Trials of the human
[4:39] experiment as far as we know we're the
[4:41] only species on the planet who have been
[4:43] given the gift or the curse perhaps of
[4:45] awareness about our own mortality
[4:48] everything here eventually dies we're
[4:49] the lucky ones who get to think about
[4:51] this fact every day and how are you
[4:53] going to cope with this information when
[4:55] I was nine I couldn't do a thing about
[4:57] it except cry later over the years my
[5:00] hyper sensitive awareness of time speed
[5:02] led me to push myself to experience life
[5:05] at maximum Pace if I were going to have
[5:07] such a short visit on Earth I had to do
[5:09] everything possible to experience it now
[5:12] hence all the traveling all the romances
[5:15] all the ambition all the pasta my sister
[5:18] had a friend who used to think that
[5:19] Katherine had two or three younger
[5:21] sisters because she was always hearing
[5:22] stories about this sister who was in
[5:23] Africa the sister who was working on a
[5:25] ranch in Wyoming the sister who was the
[5:27] bartender in New York the sister who was
[5:29] writing a book the sister who was
[5:30] getting married the sister who was
[5:32] getting divorced surely this could not
[5:33] all be the same person indeed if I could
[5:36] have split myself into many Liz Gilberts
[5:38] I would willingly have done so in order
[5:40] to not miss a moment of Life what am I
[5:43] saying I did split myself into many Liz
[5:45] Gilberts all of whom simultaneously
[5:47] collapsed in exhaustion on a bathroom
[5:49] floor in the suburbs one night around
[5:51] the age of 30 I should say here that I'm
[5:53] aware not everyone goes through this
[5:55] kind of metaphysical crisis some of us
[5:58] are hardwired for anxxiety about
[5:59] mortality While others just seem
[6:01] comfortable with the whole deal you meet
[6:03] a lot of apathetic people in this world
[6:05] of course but you also meet some people
[6:07] who seem to be able to gracefully accept
[6:09] the terms upon which the universe
[6:10] operates and who genuinely do not seem
[6:12] troubled by its paradoxes I have a
[6:14] friend whose grandmother used to tell
[6:16] her there's no trouble in this world so
[6:18] serious that it can't be cured with a
[6:20] hot bath a glass of whiskey and the Book
[6:22] of common prayer for some people that's
[6:24] enough for others more drastic measures
[6:27] are required I have a friend I've met
[6:29] here at the in India named Shawn he's
[6:32] one of those people like me who was born
[6:34] with the itch the mad and Relentless
[6:35] urge to understand the workings of
[6:37] existence his little Parish in County
[6:39] Cork didn't seem to have any of the
[6:41] answers so he left the farm in the 1980s
[6:43] to go traveling through India looking
[6:45] through for Inner Peace through Yoga a
[6:48] few years later he returned home to the
[6:49] dairy farm in Ireland he was sitting in
[6:52] the kitchen of the Old Stone House with
[6:53] his father a lifelong farmer and a man
[6:56] of few words and Shawn was telling him
[6:58] all about his spiritual discovery in the
[7:00] Exotic East Shawn's father listened with
[7:03] mild interest watching The Hearth and
[7:05] the fire smoking his pipe he didn't
[7:08] speak at all until Shawn said with
[7:09] excitement da this meditation stuff it's
[7:12] crucial for teaching Serenity it can
[7:14] really save your life it teaches you how
[7:16] to quiet your mind his father turned to
[7:18] him and said kindly I have a quiet mind
[7:21] already son and then resumed his Gaze on
[7:24] the fire but I don't nor does Shawn many
[7:28] of us don't many of us look into the
[7:31] fire and see only Inferno I need to
[7:34] actively learn how to do what Shawn's
[7:35] father it seems was born knowing how to
[7:37] do how to as Walt whitmann once wrote
[7:40] stand apart from the pulling and Hauling
[7:43] amused complacent compassionating idle
[7:46] unitary both in and out of the game
[7:48] watching and wondering at it all instead
[7:51] of being amused though I'm only anxious
[7:53] instead of watching I'm always probing
[7:55] and interfering the other day in prayer
[7:57] I said to God look I understand that an
[8:00] unexamined life is not worth living but
[8:01] do you think I could someday have an
[8:03] unexamined
[8:05] lunch Buddhist lore has a story about
[8:07] the moments that followed the Buddhist
[8:09] Transcendence into Enlightenment when
[8:11] after 39 days of meditation the veil of
[8:13] Illusion finally fell away and the true
[8:15] workings of the universe were revealed
[8:17] to the Great Master he was reported to
[8:19] have opened his eyes and said
[8:20] immediately this cannot be taught but
[8:23] then he changed his mind and decided he
[8:24] would go into the world after all and
[8:26] attempt to teach the practice of
[8:27] meditation to a small handful of
[8:29] students he knew there would only be a
[8:31] meager percentage of people who would be
[8:33] served by or even interested in these
[8:35] teachings most of humanity he said have
[8:38] eyes that are so caked shut with the
[8:39] dust of deception that they will never
[8:41] see truth no matter who tries to show it
[8:43] to them a few others like Shan's da
[8:46] perhaps are so naturally cleare eyed and
[8:49] calm already that they need no
[8:50] instruction or assistance but then there
[8:52] are those whose eyes are just slightly
[8:54] caked with dust and who might with the
[8:56] help of the right Master be taught to
[8:58] see more clearly someday
[9:00] the Buddha decided he would become a
[9:02] teacher for the benefit of that Minority
[9:04] for those of little dust I dearly hope
[9:07] that I'm one of those midlevel dust cake
[9:10] eye people but I don't know I only know
[9:12] that I have been driven to find inner
[9:14] peace with methods that might seem a bit
[9:16] drastic for the general populace for
[9:18] instance when I told one friend of mine
[9:20] back in New York City that I was going
[9:21] to India to live in an ashram and search
[9:23] for Divinity he sighed and said oh
[9:26] there's a part of me that so wishes that
[9:28] I wanted to do that but I really have no
[9:32] desire for it whatsoever and I don't
[9:34] know that I have much choice though I
[9:36] have searched frantically for
[9:37] contentment for so many years and so
[9:39] many ways and all these Acquisitions
[9:41] they run you down in the end life if you
[9:43] keep chasing it so hard will drive you
[9:45] to death time when pursued like a bandit
[9:48] will behave like one always remaining
[9:50] one County or one room ahead of you
[9:52] changing its name and hair color to
[9:54] elude you slipping out the back door of
[9:56] the motel just as you're banging through
[9:58] the lobby with your newest search
[9:59] warrant leaving only a burning cigarette
[10:01] in the ashtray to taunt you at some
[10:04] point you have to stop because it won't
[10:06] you have to admit that you can't catch
[10:08] it that you're not supposed to catch it
[10:10] at some point you have to let go and sit
[10:13] still and allow contentment to approach
[10:15] you letting go of course is a scary
[10:18] Enterprise for those of us who believe
[10:20] that the world revolves only because it
[10:22] has a handle on the top of it which we
[10:23] ourselves personally turn and that if we
[10:26] were to drop this handle for even one
[10:27] moment well that would be the end end of
[10:30] the
[10:30] universe but try dropping it this is the
[10:33] message I'm getting in India sit quietly
[10:35] for now and cease your Relentless
[10:37] participation and Watch What Happens the
[10:40] birds Do Not Crash dead out of the sky
[10:43] after all in mid-flight the trees do not
[10:45] wither and die the rivers do not run red
[10:47] with blood life continues to go on even
[10:51] the Italian post office will keep
[10:52] limping along doing its own thing
[10:54] without you why are you so sure that
[10:56] your micromanagement of every moment in
[10:58] this whole world is so essential
[11:00] why don't you let it be iar this
[11:03] argument and it appeals to me I believe
[11:05] in it intellectually I really do but
[11:08] then I wonder with all my Restless
[11:10] yearning and with all my hyped up fervor
[11:12] and this stupidly hungry nature of mine
[11:15] what should I do with my energy instead
[11:17] that answer is arriving too look for God
[11:21] look for God like a man with his head on
[11:23] fire looks for
[11:25] water thank
[11:27] you very much
[11:31] um so does anybody have any questions
[11:34] the other thing is if if if the
[11:36] microphone stepping is too complicated
[11:38] if you want to say your question I guess
[11:39] I could repeat it into here would that
[11:41] also work or is there some sort of super
[11:45] Google technological thing that I don't
[11:49] understand because I have a really old
[11:51] Motorola cell phone
[11:54] okay um anybody have any questions or
[11:57] comments about anything
[11:58] writing this book or other books or
[12:02] anything that of that
[12:10] yes um the question was how did I pick
[12:12] the three countries and were there
[12:14] others that I was considering um I spent
[12:18] a um I think when you go on a quest and
[12:19] that that is what this is as as corny as
[12:21] that word might might sound um uh it's
[12:25] it's a the prospect of questing is
[12:27] something I believe in very much and I
[12:29] believe that it's Universal human
[12:30] urgency that can be in as strong and
[12:32] some people as the urge to procreate or
[12:35] protect your kin or build stuff you know
[12:38] um it's it can be a pretty Mighty
[12:40] urgency and I and I think you have to um
[12:43] prepare for it uh with a lot of
[12:46] self-study and so I spent months kind of
[12:48] writing and writing and writing in my
[12:50] journal and asking myself over and over
[12:51] again in as many different forms as
[12:53] possible what is it that you really
[12:54] really really want um because that's a
[12:56] kind of hard thing I think for us to
[12:58] admit at times and um
[13:00] and and then I went back and read those
[13:01] journals and saw what kept coming up
[13:04] again and again and sort of parboiled it
[13:06] down to that and it appeared that I
[13:08] apparently really wanted to learn how to
[13:09] speak Italian you know for no logical
[13:12] reason it showed up on every page you
[13:14] know so I thought well that that one's
[13:15] pretty evident and and I really wanted
[13:17] to um I really wanted to focus on my
[13:19] meditation practice in India seemed like
[13:21] a natural place to go for that and then
[13:23] also I had a very special reason to go
[13:25] back to Vol which is that I'd been there
[13:27] a few years ago for a magazine story and
[13:29] this I'd had the privilege to meet this
[13:31] ninth generation Indonesian medicine man
[13:33] this kind of amazing old Yoda like
[13:35] character and he had dropped this line
[13:38] on me that said that it was my um
[13:40] apparently it was my destiny to come
[13:42] back there and to teach him English and
[13:43] to live with his family and I grabbed
[13:45] onto that like a life rope you know and
[13:47] um I he just tossed this thing out and I
[13:49] spent the next almost three years just
[13:52] trying to figure out how to organize my
[13:53] life around manifesting that Destiny and
[13:56] getting back there somehow and um and of
[13:58] course I did and of course you know he
[14:00] had no idea who I was when I showed up
[14:03] um as as many quests turn out you know
[14:05] there's always these you know the um
[14:07] that's kind of perfect mythological um
[14:10] structuring of how that should go um but
[14:13] uh it was still amazing to to be around
[14:15] him and in the end I did end up spending
[14:16] a lot of time with him so so I was
[14:18] invited to Indonesia and I felt I needed
[14:20] to go to to India and I really just
[14:23] wanted to go to Italy and eat a lot of
[14:25] food and learn how to speak Italian and
[14:28] it was happy coincidence that they all
[14:30] began with I which is good on a journey
[14:32] of self-discovery but um my friends in
[14:35] Indiana were like just come here I don't
[14:37] know why you got
[14:38] it my friends in I slip we we're not too
[14:42] impressed um because there's of course
[14:44] many other places that begin with I but
[14:46] uh anyway that's that seemed like the
[14:48] thing to
[14:49] do
[14:51] thanks anybody
[14:55] else
[14:58] no all right
[14:59] [Laughter]
[15:05] yeah um I'm writing a book about
[15:07] marriage um which is kind of like George
[15:10] Bush writing a book about diplomacy um
[15:13] because I haven't exactly excelled in
[15:15] that um but uh but I am getting
[15:18] remarried and and so I thought that um
[15:21] Joan didan once said that she writes in
[15:22] order to find out how she feels about
[15:24] things and so I'm going to use that that
[15:26] book as a way to to try to understand
[15:29] what in that peculiar institution is all
[15:31] about and and hopefully knowing more
[15:33] about it might make it go a little
[15:35] better the next time so that's what it's
[15:38] about
[15:41] yeah
[15:58] sure right
[16:00] yeah the question is how much of um what
[16:02] I learned on the trip have I been able
[16:04] to incorporate in back into my normal
[16:06] life including meditation I mean I think
[16:08] Madness would follow anybody who tried
[16:10] to keep an asham schedule in a normal
[16:11] life in Northeastern United States um so
[16:14] I don't I don't Harang myself too much
[16:16] for the fact that I don't meditate five
[16:17] hours a day anymore or chant for two
[16:19] hours a day or eat really good
[16:21] vegetarian food and all that kind of
[16:23] stuff um but uh something you know how
[16:27] can I explain this catharsis
[16:30] no catharsis ever happened without
[16:32] somebody's participation you know um
[16:34] people talk about cathartic experiences
[16:36] you know somebody has a horrible
[16:37] accident or a horrible heartbreak and it
[16:38] transforms them but but not without
[16:41] their um not without their assistance
[16:43] you know not without them showing up for
[16:45] it and I think travel can always seem
[16:47] like such a natural way for people to
[16:50] change their lives but it can't impose
[16:52] change on you you know you can only kind
[16:54] of will it in and similarly whatever
[16:57] beautiful um Treasures of selfhood that
[17:01] I found on this journey are mine to lose
[17:03] any any day I feel like it you know and
[17:05] so I consider it kind of my obligation
[17:07] to to hold on to as much of that as I
[17:09] can within reason um I would so love to
[17:12] tell you that I get up every day before
[17:13] Dawn and meditate and I'm half tempted
[17:16] to tell you that because you know how
[17:17] the hell would you guys ever know if
[17:18] it's true or not but um in fact it's not
[17:21] true um but I but I do it more days than
[17:24] I don't um and I think that I have for
[17:26] that I kind of Base it on on my writing
[17:29] practice as well I would love to say
[17:30] that I write every day but I don't but I
[17:32] write more days than I don't and I think
[17:34] as long as in your life you're doing
[17:36] more of what's beneficial to you than
[17:38] not then that's probably good enough um
[17:41] for for what we can do in our normal
[17:42] lives so thanks for your
[17:46] question
[17:53] yeah um the question is what did I think
[17:55] about coming back to the us at the end
[17:57] of my trip I was excited because I had
[17:59] the journey of writing the book to look
[18:00] forward to so that in itself is another
[18:02] kind of um Adventure in a way um and and
[18:06] also I was just um I don't know when I
[18:09] when I was at the asham I remember
[18:10] seeing people who kind of got addicted
[18:12] to to exploration without ever coming
[18:16] home you know like they were they were
[18:18] on a spiritual journey kind of their
[18:20] whole lives for like 25 years in the
[18:22] same asham and they were and I sort of
[18:24] thought is that really the point of
[18:26] these teachings you know um I mean they
[18:28] weren't monks they were civilians but
[18:30] they were sort of stuck I felt in this
[18:33] in this cycle of
[18:35] constantly seeking slash hiding and um
[18:39] and I remember this one girl at the
[18:41] asham coming back from having flown to
[18:43] Chicago to see her family and she came
[18:45] back and she was like you know she was
[18:47] breathing asham a like it was you know
[18:48] pure oxygen she was like I I couldn't
[18:50] wait to get back here because the real
[18:52] world is so screwed up and I couldn't
[18:53] relate to anybody and I just want to be
[18:55] here with people who understand and I
[18:57] just thought the point of this can it
[18:59] that that all of this teachings and
[19:01] all is supposed to make reality harder
[19:04] for you you know it seems like um any
[19:06] sort of beneficial practice would be one
[19:08] that would make it easier for you to
[19:10] live in in the world um and so I was
[19:12] excited to kind of try out my My New
[19:15] Self in in my old life and um see how
[19:18] things have changed and and indeed I
[19:21] just feel more comfortable in the world
[19:22] and more comfortable in my skin than
[19:24] ever so so it's been lovely it wasn't it
[19:26] wasn't particularly jarring coming back
[19:28] then again I didn't come back back to a
[19:29] very normal life either so um I if I'd
[19:32] had to go back to my marriage in my
[19:34] Suburban house I think it wouldn't have
[19:35] been quite as quite as much to look
[19:37] forward to
[19:40] [Music]
[19:42] yeah
[19:48] uh
[19:52] did oh um the question is about my last
[19:56] book before this which is the last
[19:57] American man where I spent a lot of time
[19:59] actually with this guy named eustus
[20:02] Conway who is this sort of modern Latter
[20:04] Day mesic Mountain Man guy who lives in
[20:07] the woods in North Carolina and left
[20:09] home at 17 and and has been living in
[20:11] the woods and living off the land ever
[20:13] since and has this completely deranged
[20:16] Messianic view of himself as somebody
[20:18] who can single-handedly return America
[20:20] to being an a agrarian society and
[20:23] everybody's going to follow him into the
[20:24] woods and he's so captivating that you
[20:26] just might think that it was possible um
[20:28] but he also sort of crazy in his in his
[20:31] way um and the question was how did that
[20:33] how did spending I think your question
[20:35] was how did spending time with him
[20:36] affect my own journey in two ways one
[20:38] was that
[20:40] um did I tell him about this yeah I told
[20:43] him I was going to do this and he was he
[20:44] was very encouraging he's all about you
[20:46] know the quest um uh you know I I spent
[20:50] a lot of time writing about men in my
[20:52] life you know I worked for spin I worked
[20:54] for GQ and and my first book was a
[20:58] collection of short stories that seemed
[20:59] to be mostly about Cowboys and my second
[21:01] book was a novel about Lobster fishermen
[21:03] and my third book was this like
[21:04] quintessential American masculine figure
[21:07] and I kind of was like you know I'm ju
[21:10] just need a little time off from the
[21:11] fellas for a while you know writing
[21:14] about them being married to them giving
[21:15] them all my money and divorce
[21:17] settlements you know like to like all
[21:19] it's just this is just I'm a little
[21:21] overwhelmed with this you know and I and
[21:23] I thought that I really wanted to spend
[21:24] some time um away from that energy so in
[21:27] one way it propelled me to want to go
[21:29] off on my own and the other is that um I
[21:33] was really impressed with his self
[21:35] honesty um when I wrote that book he
[21:39] gave me absolute utter access to his
[21:41] life he handed me at one point this
[21:43] giant box filled with all his journals
[21:47] and childhood Diaries and love letters
[21:49] from Girlfriends who now hated him and
[21:51] you know all this incredibly intimate
[21:52] stuff that he hadn't even looked at in
[21:54] years and he just gave it to me and said
[21:56] use any of this you know he gave me tone
[21:59] numbers of people that he knew despised
[22:01] him and said you should talk to this guy
[22:03] because he hates me and he thinks I'm a
[22:04] fraud and you should talk to people who
[22:05] think I'm a fraud and he looked at that
[22:08] question himself and he you know he just
[22:10] he just doesn't do things halfway and I
[22:12] was I was really inspired by the fact
[22:14] that he sort of understood if you're
[22:16] going to you know if you're going to do
[22:18] biography or if you're going to do
[22:19] Memoir like do it you know um don't try
[22:22] to turn it into some sort of vanity
[22:24] piece and and I think that helped me
[22:26] find the the resolve to just just tell
[22:29] this story as it occurred rather than
[22:31] trying to manipulate it or make myself
[22:33] look you know
[22:36] good in any sort of way so that was
[22:38] really that was that was Inspire he was
[22:41] both um repellent and inspiring and I
[22:43] think that's actually probably a very
[22:44] good General description of
[22:45] [Laughter]
[22:47] him in
[22:49] total
[22:56] yeah in writing what
[23:01] yeah oh where do I do my writing I used
[23:04] to be yeah um I mean I've written all
[23:06] over the world um at this point because
[23:09] I've done so much traveling but my
[23:11] preferred um I mean I've always been I
[23:13] think like most writers I've always been
[23:15] seeking the kind of the perfect womb you
[23:18] know in which to write and um and have
[23:20] found different versions of it for
[23:22] different books depending on where I was
[23:23] living and what I was doing but my short
[23:25] Story collection and my novel I wrote
[23:27] almost entirely in the New York public
[23:29] library reading room you know that
[23:31] beautiful big quiet space um which is a
[23:33] really nice place to work because you're
[23:35] alone but not alone you're alone in
[23:37] silence but you're not isolated because
[23:39] there's people around and there's this
[23:40] kind of river of work of energy of
[23:42] people studying and you would feel
[23:44] guilty to not be participating in it
[23:46] with them um although many times I had
[23:48] this sort of school marish guard come
[23:50] and wrap me on the head for falling
[23:51] asleep in my AR you know on top of my
[23:54] paperwork um which you're not supposed
[23:55] to do there um but but now and then my
[23:58] last two books this book and the last
[24:00] American man I wrote um I mean when you
[24:03] write a book there's years of sort of
[24:04] research and stuff and collecting and
[24:05] that I can do anywhere but when it comes
[24:07] to the actual the sort of holy Act of
[24:09] sitting down and composing a book um I
[24:12] need a lot of silence for that so I went
[24:14] to an artist's residency in Wyoming
[24:16] there're these wonderful sort of
[24:17] Retreats that where they you go and they
[24:19] take care of you and give you kind of a
[24:21] quiet place to work and so I wrote those
[24:23] books there and now I've just bought a
[24:25] house and I'm hoping that I can create a
[24:27] quite enough place in there that I can
[24:29] actually write in my own home for once
[24:31] which I've never been able to
[24:33] do so but coffee shops would be out of
[24:36] the question for me if only because of
[24:38] the availability of muffins
[24:41] constantly think it would be a big
[24:43] [Laughter]
[24:47] mistake anybody else is anybody a
[24:51] writer
[24:55] secrets I'm always curious about that
[24:58] yeah
[25:12] um I I've always the question is when
[25:14] studying in different language do take
[25:16] on a different personality um yeah
[25:19] Italian has a particular I think
[25:21] everybody who who studies Italian takes
[25:23] on this
[25:25] completely fantas fantasmal is that s
[25:28] even a word but like this completely
[25:30] romantic I mean that in every definition
[25:33] of the word romantic um identity uh
[25:36] where you really do think that you're in
[25:37] a felini movie and you know that you're
[25:39] you're riding a moped around Rome with
[25:41] your dashing fory boyfriend or there's
[25:44] just something so incredibly sexy about
[25:46] that language and that's partially why I
[25:48] think I was so attracted to it because I
[25:50] just felt so dead you know um after
[25:52] going through divorce and depression and
[25:54] and I would go I was taking um Italian
[25:56] at the new school and I would just come
[25:58] home and lay in the bathtub and read the
[25:59] dictionary out loud and just put this
[26:01] big Flo you know I'd be like in bubbles
[26:03] and I'd be like you know
[26:05] Chow you know um par Italo you know just
[26:09] because you can't do it without waving
[26:10] your hands around and without um
[26:12] starting to feel kind of invigorated
[26:14] there's and and there's reasons why as I
[26:16] found out when I was researching the
[26:18] book there's reasons why Italian is such
[26:20] a tantalizing language um it's not an
[26:23] accident that it's as beautiful as it is
[26:24] there were decisions that were made in
[26:26] Italy um around the 6 1900s about what
[26:29] was going to be the official language
[26:31] out of all the dialects and there was a
[26:33] kind of council I mean I don't think any
[26:35] other language has this pedigree there's
[26:37] a sort of Council of intellectuals who
[26:38] got together and and basically went
[26:40] around Italy with looking for the most
[26:42] beautiful version of of Cil you know
[26:45] bastardized Latin and it turned out to
[26:47] be Florentine and and the language of
[26:50] Dante and so it's it's a language that
[26:51] was sort of built by a poet and and I
[26:54] think that's why it's so appealing and
[26:56] seems to be universally so and when I
[26:58] was in Rome studying I found out that
[27:00] every single person in my class who was
[27:02] taking Italian had come for the same
[27:05] reason because they had no practical
[27:07] justification whatsoever to learn this
[27:08] langu like nobody's boss said you have
[27:10] to learn Italian so our business will
[27:12] Thrive you know like it's just not in
[27:14] the sort of vocabulary of Commerce but
[27:17] but people just felt like it would make
[27:19] them feel good to to have those words
[27:21] and sounds coming out of their mouths
[27:23] and all these stiff German you know
[27:25] Engineers visiting Rome and and wanting
[27:27] to learn because this one guy I want to
[27:29] have the do Vita you know and uh I was
[27:33] like the deutche Vita the you know um
[27:36] but uh so there's just something very
[27:39] alluring about it and um and I think it
[27:41] helped I think it helped change my you
[27:43] know and I don't think it hurt either
[27:45] that my head as anybody who's gone
[27:47] through really hard times knows you get
[27:48] stuck in these kind of ruts of thought
[27:50] and I don't think it hurt to actually
[27:52] change the language and introduce new
[27:54] words um into your head to try to escape
[27:57] the um the constant sort of runaround of
[28:00] the UN The Familiar repetition of
[28:04] destructive sentences um so yeah
[28:07] definitely but nobody ever once mistook
[28:10] me for being
[28:11] Italian after all that never happened at
[28:14] all next
[28:16] life next life will be
[28:20] Italian so
[28:27] yes
[28:36] um with which man from
[28:38] Indonesia my uh with my my sweetheart
[28:42] from Indonesia yeah we're getting we're
[28:44] getting we're getting married in a few
[28:45] weeks um so we're in pretty close
[28:47] contact which is good yeah um the
[28:51] question is what what what would um be
[28:53] the fourth verb that's a really good
[28:55] question Eat Pray Love um well it just
[28:57] somehow reminded me of what my Lan said
[28:59] because she wished that I had stayed in
[29:00] Italy the whole time and just called the
[29:01] book eat eat eat um but
[29:04] um you know actually I I would say it
[29:07] would be repeat um that's that would be
[29:11] the uh that would probably be the best
[29:13] way to to continue your life um and it's
[29:16] nice because I I just bought I was just
[29:19] telling you in the elevator I just
[29:20] bought a church in New Jersey so um and
[29:23] and over the top it's a 1798 old old
[29:26] church and I decided to have somebody
[29:27] write in Gothic letters over the top you
[29:30] know Eat Pray Love because it seems to
[29:31] be the good location for it so yeah Eat
[29:34] Pray Love
[29:36] repeat and so on and so
[29:38] [Laughter]
[29:40] on or maybe remember that would be good
[29:44] too so thank you all so much I
[29:46] appreciate your questions and and your
[29:49] time and good luck on all your quests
[29:52] and enjoy your Cool
[29:56] Jobs they seem to be from from the
[29:59] outside and thanks for having me
[30:02] appreciate
[30:03] [Applause]
[30:06] it