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[0:00] greetings everybody Oh happy Thursday
[0:03] what a joyous Thursday it is in this
[0:05] curious time may 7th 2020
[0:09] I'm Greg Archer and you are tuning in to
[0:12] the Esalen interview where we connect
[0:13] with agents of change swim deep waters
[0:16] and wonder quite greatly at what's going
[0:21] on in the world and ourselves please
[0:23] know that our thoughts and our hearts
[0:25] are with you at this time a slim
[0:27] community sending out the best vibes to
[0:29] you I'm so excited about today's guests
[0:31] very excited we're so happy to have a
[0:34] slim faculty Paul Selleck here one of
[0:37] the foremost spiritual channels working
[0:38] today in his breakthrough works of
[0:41] channeled literature which include I am
[0:43] the word and his most recent book beyond
[0:45] the known realization Paul is recorded
[0:47] an extraordinary program for personal
[0:49] and planetary evolution as humankind -
[0:52] its own divine nature described as a
[0:55] medium for the living Paul channels
[0:58] workshops internationally and all this
[1:01] after serving on the faculty of NYU for
[1:02] over 25 years he has become one of the
[1:05] most sought-after spiritual influencers
[1:07] of our time Paul what a pleasure it is
[1:09] to connect with you welcome thank you
[1:11] for being here thank you for having me
[1:13] absolutely and we'll be fielding
[1:15] questions so folks if you would like to
[1:19] leave a question I'll be monitoring and
[1:22] we could we could dive in and Paul
[1:25] happily answer so Paul how has this time
[1:30] been for you it's been extraordinary I
[1:33] think it's been extraordinary for
[1:35] everybody I mean I'm in Maui right now
[1:37] you can probably hear the nature sounds
[1:39] in the background there's roosters and
[1:40] things did squawk so we're gonna get
[1:44] interrupted I think by nature but it's
[1:46] been extraordinary I I was living my
[1:48] life in New York and I went off for do
[1:50] an event in Costa Rica in New York City
[1:52] shut down while I was there and now I'm
[1:54] here on Maui for the time being and I'm
[1:58] having you know a really interesting
[2:00] experience and a completely unexpected
[2:02] one and I think the rest of us are all
[2:05] having a completely unexpected
[2:06] experience as well hmm many unexpected
[2:09] experiences indeed yeah and Maui full of
[2:13] roosters full of chicken
[2:14] if I recall correctly we I'm really
[2:19] excited to dive in and and just swim a
[2:23] bunch of curious currents here with you
[2:25] and asked a bunch of questions what do
[2:27] you feel that this time is attempting to
[2:29] teach us you know I don't know and I'm
[2:33] on my first cup of coffee everything and
[2:37] I never know if I'm going to end up
[2:38] channeling um you know when I do lose
[2:40] and give you some times it just happens
[2:42] the guides that I work with have been
[2:44] you know speaking of this you know this
[2:48] kind of a time for for some years when
[2:51] they dictated the first book through me
[2:53] which was called I'm the word they said
[2:55] you know humanity as if is at a time of
[2:57] reckoning and a reckoning as a facing of
[2:59] oneself in all of one's creations and
[3:02] they've been talking in the last few
[3:05] books in the last couple of years about
[3:06] how all of the larger structures that
[3:09] need been party to let the longing
[3:12] structures governmental structures where
[3:14] the destructors were actually going to
[3:16] be sort of reclaimed renown and
[3:18] transformed you know in these times they
[3:22] basically said that everything that
[3:24] doesn't have its basis and truth is
[3:26] bowing to the Union shift in alter
[3:30] because you know it's an opportunity for
[3:33] all of us I think to to reclaim our true
[3:38] identity this is what they say we're
[3:39] being invited now to reclaim who and
[3:41] what we truly are but we can't do much
[3:44] of that if we're you know letting some
[3:46] people star them you know letting some
[3:48] people you know go uncared-for you know
[3:51] in this world so I think it is a
[3:52] recommitment I think it's it's a deep
[3:55] opportunity that's the best way that I
[3:57] can look at that yet do you also feel
[4:00] when you when you talk about being more
[4:06] of our authentic selves or living on
[4:08] that higher vibration is it that we
[4:13] cannot create the change or be living
[4:16] our true authentic selves if we are
[4:18] operating from that lower vibration or
[4:20] is that place the point of fear or in
[4:22] doubt or well I mean the guys have said
[4:25] you know the action of fear is to claim
[4:27] more fear
[4:27] and every choice we make and fear is
[4:29] going to get us more of the same it's
[4:31] pretty much a guarantee they do make a
[4:33] do that you make a distinction between
[4:35] prudence and fear you know Prudence's
[4:37] you know there are sharks in the water
[4:39] that's not to go swimming but that's not
[4:41] about fear that's about konchem and you
[4:44] know thoughtfulness when they talked
[4:47] about becoming the true self which is a
[4:49] big part of their teaching or aligning
[4:52] to or evolving as I mean they're talking
[4:55] about an aspect of us that they say is
[4:58] always present you know they say you
[5:00] can't make anything holy but you can
[5:02] deny everything already is but you can
[5:04] deny the divinity in anything but
[5:06] they're supporting us in doing that
[5:08] suspect is is reclaiming the aspect of
[5:11] us that knows and operates beyond fear
[5:13] they say that we live in an octave and
[5:16] the octaves and they say an octave is a
[5:19] shared construct of reality with its
[5:22] high notes and low notes and everything
[5:23] is in vibrational Accord to the world
[5:26] that we're co-creating here the world
[5:29] that we're seeing is of this octave and
[5:31] we're actually being invited to live to
[5:34] the next one some people talk about
[5:35] ascension and that's the term they use
[5:37] the guides don't use that term very much
[5:40] for me but they do say that they are
[5:42] supporting us and then going up to the
[5:45] next level and the next level is
[5:47] actually a level that's not bound by
[5:49] fear and is also not bound by you know
[5:53] all of the tethers that we've used to
[5:56] more us to the lower all the
[5:57] restrictions all the systems of control
[6:01] you know they say that the true self as
[6:03] you knows who he is knows what he is
[6:05] knows how to service you know it's not
[6:08] about figuring it out it's not about
[6:10] self-help it's about reclaiming that
[6:12] aspect himself in those and then moving
[6:14] into an alignment with it express it in
[6:16] fullness and I'd say that how one serves
[6:19] is how one is the most fully expressed
[6:21] as the true self it's not your career
[6:24] it's not your title it's one of those
[6:26] things it's really and you know we're
[6:28] expressed and then they say if they're
[6:29] operating at that level of expression is
[6:31] the through self you know lifting
[6:33] everything that you encounter by nature
[6:35] of being you know when I teach and the
[6:37] guides do their workshops I mean they're
[6:39] very palpable the energy is very present
[6:41] a huge people how to lift you know I
[6:43] lift the old airfield how to shift
[6:45] everything around them and it's it's
[6:47] fairly extraordinary working I I'm
[6:49] explaining it as best as I can and you
[6:51] know in short clips but that's that's
[6:54] how I can answer that I suppose is a lot
[6:57] is a lot of it do you feel getting out
[6:59] of her own way and allowing more of
[7:02] himself to come through yeah I mean but
[7:05] yeah but it's a little bit more I think
[7:07] about getting rid of the mask which is
[7:09] the idea of who we are you know the idea
[7:12] of who we are is what gets in the way
[7:14] you know there's nothing wrong with the
[7:16] personality structure we all have one
[7:18] it's useful it's how we engage with one
[7:21] another but it's not authentically who
[7:23] we truly are on earth and they're
[7:25] inviting us you know to this visceral
[7:27] active reclamation of our own divinity
[7:30] which tends to come at the cost of what
[7:32] we think and the cost of being right and
[7:35] the cost of how things should be because
[7:38] the guides I work would say every should
[7:40] you would claim is actually born in
[7:43] something industry and you really can't
[7:45] operate when you're continually dragging
[7:48] your history at the present moment with
[7:50] you because your history isn't who you
[7:52] are either it's just things that you've
[7:54] known yourself that's right that's
[7:57] things that you've known and how you've
[7:59] known yourself to be so for those who
[8:01] are turn tuning in for maybe the first
[8:04] time or hearing this the what are you
[8:07] know I mean there are myriad ways we can
[8:12] tap that within us that is us that is
[8:15] the true us but for those of us that
[8:18] those who are tuning in what would you
[8:21] say you know how do we get from you know
[8:24] from our head to our hard world or into
[8:26] being more fully well you know I'm a
[8:29] traveler you know that's my job I'm not
[8:31] a spiritual teacher I'm not a guru I
[8:33] have no desire to be any of those things
[8:35] I actually sit in a chair I close my
[8:37] eyes and I take dictation
[8:40] then the dictation that comes through me
[8:42] is what happens in the workshops that
[8:43] you know happen through me at Esalen in
[8:46] the books that come through me are
[8:47] really unedited transcripts of their
[8:50] teachings of the guides teachings and
[8:52] they're all done the last three books I
[8:54] think we chunks
[8:55] we're done at Esalen in front of a large
[8:58] audience of students who are
[9:00] participating in the experience of the
[9:03] energy so how one goes from here to
[9:07] there I think is really you know a
[9:09] process of alignment that I'd say
[9:11] everything is in telephone or in tone as
[9:14] well they say you know you're in a chord
[9:16] I'm an accord we're all in a chord and
[9:18] they say a cc or AC C or D or a CH or D
[9:22] is on a piano like everything that you
[9:24] see because you see it you're in
[9:27] vibrational accord with it and the level
[9:29] of vibration begins to live through you
[9:32] as you begin to align to the truth of
[9:34] who you are and begin to let go of the
[9:36] ideas that you've probably utilized to
[9:40] you know get what you think you should
[9:41] have so the process of reclamation of
[9:44] the true self is really in many ways
[9:46] then they're teaching through that's now
[9:49] I think there's seven books out and the
[9:53] eighth is coming out in a few months and
[9:55] I know that they're supposed to be a
[9:57] ninth because I don't know how it's
[9:58] gonna get channeled because I like doing
[10:00] these things in front of groups and I
[10:02] can't travel right now mmm but that's
[10:04] their teaching I mean that's all of the
[10:06] books is how to reclaim that aspect of
[10:08] self and begin to align to it and then
[10:11] support others in greenpoint
[10:12] hmm and what is that process like for
[10:15] you when you're in front of groups let's
[10:20] talk about that what is your experience
[10:22] of that you know I am I wasn't uh you
[10:26] know I was raised an atheist and I
[10:28] wasn't spiritual in the least and I
[10:32] wasn't in the least that was 25 you know
[10:37] I had a couple of experiences they begin
[10:40] to open me up spiritually and
[10:41] psychically pain at the same time and I
[10:45] had to grapple with that but I actually
[10:47] studied the form of energy healing I'm
[10:50] to get a context for this stuff that I
[10:52] was getting to experience and I was
[10:55] volunteering at a Center for people who
[10:57] were mostly you know living living with
[11:00] AIDS and those days dying because there
[11:02] were no there's no treatment there for
[11:03] arm and I was doing energy work there I
[11:06] was trying to mean it was I was
[11:07] volunteering in a center
[11:08] and I started to hear for the people
[11:11] that I was working with so if I had my
[11:13] hands on somebody and I heard the name
[11:14] Bruce I'd learned as a who's Bruce and
[11:16] they'd say now my lover my father my son
[11:18] my dog and as I kept getting
[11:20] confirmation I began to trust the
[11:23] information that I was needing to access
[11:25] so for me all of this stuff has been
[11:28] experiential and I led a group that met
[11:30] in my apartment for 18 years very
[11:33] quietly I was in the Faculty of NYU I
[11:35] wasn't looking to be known as a town art
[11:37] um and the process now is pretty much
[11:40] the same as it's always been it's just
[11:42] more refined I sit in the chair I close
[11:45] my eyes I like to look at the Prairie
[11:48] protection because it sets a field that
[11:50] I'm comfortable working in and I'll hear
[11:53] one phrase repeated and usually
[11:55] incessantly and I'll keep hearing till I
[11:59] give it voice in the moment I give that
[12:00] phrase voice and it may be like you all
[12:04] need to know or you know on this day we
[12:06] wish to teach whatever it is if I give
[12:08] them a list of those first few words
[12:10] everything comes pouring out right
[12:13] behind it and continues so I'm just
[12:15] trying to keep up with the patient
[12:17] that's my job you know I actually you
[12:20] know when I'm traveling I refer to it as
[12:22] being a stenographer I don't think it's
[12:25] it's a way of being in service it's a
[12:27] quirky ability or skill set it's not one
[12:31] that I aspire to it's actually over the
[12:33] last thing I would have asked for I
[12:34] didn't even really believe in channel
[12:36] and to be honest with you I think I
[12:38] would have a set book when I was a grad
[12:40] student and by well that's interesting
[12:41] but you know put it aside so the process
[12:46] is of being in this energy and I'm
[12:49] primarily a clairaudient so I'm hearing
[12:53] and repeating and because I hear in
[12:55] phrases I whisper the words and repeat
[12:57] them I'm really just trying to keep up
[13:00] if you can imagine really reading a
[13:02] thousand fortune cookies one after the
[13:03] other after the other
[13:04] that's my experience I'm not
[13:06] experiencing the entirety of the lecture
[13:08] I'm experiencing the phrases and then
[13:12] it's not until the students can
[13:14] comprehend the entire thing I often
[13:16] don't fully get until I see it
[13:18] transcribed and then I see you know how
[13:20] seamless of the casement
[13:22] he was so that's my experience of the
[13:25] channeling the other thing that I do
[13:27] when I work they call me a medium for
[13:29] the living and I don't understand how
[13:31] this works but I have this odd ability
[13:33] to step into people and become them so
[13:35] if you're estranged from your sister and
[13:37] you give me your sister's name I can
[13:39] step into her I may begin to resemble
[13:41] earth you know and I can sort of broker
[13:44] a conversation in a higher way you know
[13:46] what the real issues are they're coming
[13:48] forth with asking to be dealt with like
[13:50] being a switchboard so when I'm hearing
[13:53] the guides I'm just tuned into there I'm
[13:56] gonna unplugged into them and when I'm
[13:57] reading for people I'm plugged into them
[14:00] you know in a different more practical
[14:02] way channeling requires no
[14:04] interpretation whatsoever it's just the
[14:06] patient's reading each is a different
[14:08] skill set which ones some some
[14:11] interpretation because I'm feeling the
[14:12] emotions or I'm feeling the physical
[14:14] thing they might have to understand what
[14:16] it is and then give that voice mmm why
[14:19] would you remember that I would imagine
[14:21] this forever altered your life you know
[14:25] there you are and this shifted and then
[14:29] you're suddenly in this experience and
[14:32] then the years go by and now many people
[14:35] ask you lots of questions and turn to
[14:38] you oh I think hopefully they're turning
[14:41] to guides you know I mean probably have
[14:45] as much information as much challenge
[14:47] getting to life as anybody else um it
[14:51] has changed everything but I have to say
[14:53] I'm fortunate in that it was it was
[14:57] gradual the initial awakening came at a
[14:59] time I was 25 there was a year out of
[15:01] year like expect out of grad school um I
[15:05] was a playwright I was having my work
[15:06] produced in New York in London and I was
[15:08] you know I was excited about all this
[15:10] stuff but I really hit a wall I got
[15:13] everything that I thought I was supposed
[15:14] to have or want and none of it made me
[15:17] feel good or that and it was really out
[15:20] of you know sheer necessity not because
[15:22] I thought it would be nice to get
[15:23] spiritual but I began to look for
[15:25] something more I was you know
[15:26] self-destructive partying kid so my
[15:30] emergence into a spiritual life
[15:32] coincided with a lot of other things a
[15:34] lot of my friends
[15:35] all around um you know I wasn't drinking
[15:40] I had known myself as a hard-partying
[15:43] kid and suddenly I was in the world
[15:45] where maybe maybe maybe there was
[15:47] something you might call God or some
[15:50] energy or something whatever you wanted
[15:52] to call it there was more and I knew
[15:54] there was more because I've had a couple
[15:55] of experiences with it that were
[15:57] shocking to me I mean literally shocking
[15:59] I started praying for the first time in
[16:02] my life when I was 25 and I was not
[16:06] somebody who you think would do that but
[16:07] I did and I actually heard a voice
[16:11] coming to get my act together and how to
[16:12] deal with it if luring me it was the
[16:14] first voice and I listened to it so that
[16:16] was the beginning of the change I'm
[16:19] grateful that everything else would have
[16:21] happened slowly you know I really was
[16:24] apprenticed in many ways in this work
[16:27] for a good 18 20 years before people
[16:30] even knew who I was before the book
[16:32] started coming and I'm glad about that I
[16:35] think had I shown up fully formed you
[16:39] know doing this stuff and I was doing
[16:41] this method very quietly if I was doing
[16:43] it on a larger stage I wouldn't been
[16:45] able to handle it um I had learned to
[16:48] show up for this work often in spite of
[16:50] myself in my own resistance to some of
[16:53] what comes through me but the energy is
[16:55] very probable you know everybody can
[16:57] feel it when it happens and you know
[17:00] I've come to accept that no matter how
[17:02] articulate I might be as a man I'm not
[17:06] capable of closing my eyes and dictating
[17:08] eight books that don't need any out of
[17:10] date it's just not possible you know and
[17:13] so I trust this strange process and I'm
[17:15] grateful that people are being helped
[17:17] it's actually because of Esalen that I
[17:19] have a public life you know I was really
[17:21] hiding and I wasn't until I was invited
[17:24] to a CTR conference at Esalen to channel
[17:27] divorce them since dollars and some
[17:29] scientists and I was scared out of my
[17:31] mind but that was the invitation and I
[17:33] showed up for it that everything changed
[17:37] Matar Woods who was at that conference
[17:40] as well you know took the manuscript of
[17:45] my first book which had just been
[17:47] printed at Kinkos have been printed
[17:49] before I got in the planning you know
[17:51] and it was actually published it was a
[17:53] publisher and it was probably seven
[17:55] months but anyway you know thanks to him
[17:57] and thanks to you know the Murphy's you
[18:00] know mindful and LC I was invited to
[18:02] teach um and I hear they hadn't had a
[18:05] channel wrestlin since the seventies you
[18:08] know there's there was a very well-known
[18:10] one I think working at the time but
[18:12] there was some resistance to bringing
[18:14] them back and they did and it's been a
[18:16] wonderful home for the work that comes
[18:18] through me ever so I'm very grateful for
[18:20] yeah I mean talk about it a shift and
[18:22] Yancey TR the Center for theory and
[18:25] research for for those where we don't
[18:27] know he does have a question shall I ask
[18:31] a question for the guides about
[18:34] the hearts desire what is the best way
[18:37] to align our hearts desire and feel the
[18:40] momentum of this path in the moment more
[18:44] consistently and that comes from Matt
[18:46] the first thing is that's a question for
[18:48] the guides and I'm on my first cup of
[18:50] coffee so I'm probably one infantile
[18:52] answer but actually there is a
[18:54] meditation on your heart's desire at the
[18:58] very end of the book of freedom which is
[19:01] fairly extraordinary and that was
[19:03] actually done at Esalen where the guides
[19:05] actually work with people to to move
[19:08] into the heart center and reclaim what
[19:10] that truly is so that's where I would
[19:12] direct people to go to the book not to
[19:14] me right now because I wouldn't remember
[19:16] the instructions um so I'm gonna ask and
[19:19] see if I didn't hear anything this
[19:20] morning but I will say that if I channel
[19:22] I whisper the words from the people so
[19:23] if this clumsy crazy process
[19:28] they're saying how you will live to the
[19:30] past how you how you planned the hearts
[19:31] desires to align to the possibility that
[19:33] it can be done that it can be known
[19:35] where the possibility is what's required
[19:37] at something if it's not in your innate
[19:40] knowing it is still present it is still
[19:41] present but less we access with middle
[19:43] but mostly access to the potential I
[19:45] have the right to know I have the right
[19:47] to know I'd like to see I have the right
[19:49] to see I have like a gold I have the
[19:51] right to behold it yourself the true
[19:53] self who knows what she wishes who knows
[19:55] what she wishes who knows what he's come
[19:57] forth who knows what he has come for if
[19:59] you do this if you do this we both need
[20:01] a little and you go into the agreement
[20:04] with it you may know what it is you may
[20:06] know what it is and then we have act
[20:07] Department and then you know how to act
[20:09] upon it area so that's their answer
[20:12] Matt that is their answer I believe Matt
[20:19] says thank you he does say thank you
[20:23] another question from Joseph and thank
[20:26] you for that Paul Paul in your first
[20:29] book I am the word in the chapter
[20:34] boulders the guides mention the topic of
[20:37] demons in passing and then never return
[20:41] to the topic yeah I mean it may be my
[20:46] resistance to talking about that stuff
[20:48] it's not my favorite topic
[20:49] um they tight if I recall what they talk
[20:52] about it as as a creation something that
[20:55] hangs out in the energetic field that is
[20:57] sort of becomes independent you know
[21:00] it's almost like a hard thought or a
[21:04] hard idea that sort of you know claims
[21:07] its own identity through us and that's
[21:10] how I understand them but I it's not
[21:12] part of their teacher and they actually
[21:13] don't talk about angels either you know
[21:16] that's really not their schemata but
[21:20] yeah I think in that they talk about
[21:22] them as you know these things that seem
[21:25] to sort of operate in consort with us
[21:28] that are just not who we truly are
[21:30] but that's the extent of all I would
[21:33] fall without it got it all right Joseph
[21:36] and folks if you have any other
[21:38] questions just jot them down I'm
[21:41] monitoring this I think you've said in
[21:44] it in another interview that nothing is
[21:46] not the defined yeah and that you were
[21:50] sort of trailing by that truth when that
[21:52] came to you can you can you level it a
[21:54] little bit I still AM I'm gonna God say
[21:57] you know you know you can't I said
[22:00] earlier listen you know you know you
[22:02] can't make anything holy it already is
[22:04] but you can deny it dignity at anything
[22:06] and everything and we often do we may
[22:09] actually say the only real challenge we
[22:11] face it's what they call the denial of
[22:14] the divine the guides teach the kingdom
[22:17] and they say the kingdom is the
[22:18] awareness of the inherent divine in all
[22:21] manifestation so it's it's part of a
[22:25] very simple and much
[22:26] you're teaching they say what you put in
[22:28] darkness or who you put in darkness
[22:30] falls you to that darkness they say you
[22:33] can't lift the evil man to what they
[22:35] call the upper room which is a higher
[22:37] level of vibration because you would
[22:39] have Nathan evil so unless you Reno the
[22:42] man as of source and of divinity you
[22:45] know which is a Reno and Rory seeing
[22:48] beyond how one presents what one does
[22:51] and you know the morality or the ideas
[22:53] that we wish to lock with hey on that
[22:55] person we can't actually me know them in
[22:58] a higher way so I found that it's true
[23:01] you know there's this meditation in the
[23:03] blue mastery but I really like and they
[23:06] sit you know imagine you're walking up a
[23:07] mountain when there's a cave and you
[23:09] walk into the cave and in that cave is
[23:12] the one person you never want to see
[23:14] again as long as you live and your your
[23:16] your assignment now is to walk that
[23:18] person out of the cave and they say you
[23:21] know who you put in darkness again calls
[23:24] you to that darkness so it's not so much
[23:27] about letting them off the hook or
[23:28] forgiving them in a way that makes what
[23:30] they did okay but it is about the
[23:33] release of them so that you can be free
[23:36] you know and I do understand this
[23:38] containment it is challenging I see a
[23:40] lot of things right now that I don't
[23:41] like in the world and I wish were
[23:43] different but I'm also deciding what
[23:46] should be based on my reference point so
[23:49] how I would like things to be the show
[23:52] there's always face from the spirit of
[23:53] data so yeah I mean it's an old 12-step
[23:57] concept and I believe that fully and
[23:59] they say you know black as all things
[24:00] our God is nothing what do you want
[24:02] which one do you want you don't get to
[24:04] cherry-pick
[24:04] in this stuff they said that's the
[24:06] hypocrisy of most religions you know you
[24:09] get to do this and you're gonna be
[24:10] number man whatever you believe in and
[24:13] it's a teaching of separation and this
[24:16] is not a teaching of separation it's a
[24:18] teaching final immunity mmm Wow
[24:24] it's beautiful it's beautiful yeah we
[24:27] don't get you don't get to cherry-pick
[24:28] really right another question from
[24:32] Sharon
[24:34] does Paul have a daily practice based on
[24:36] his guides teachings
[24:39] I have many that they've given me an
[24:41] almost none that I actually do matter of
[24:44] fact so why is it because I don't
[24:47] remember it I mean this is really that
[24:49] the hard part you know I've done these
[24:51] workshops and at the end of the workshop
[24:54] they may said everybody would be very
[24:56] helpful to go out with ten minutes and
[24:58] did this this or this you know and then
[25:00] I go to you know Dustin who works with
[25:05] me and he's videotaping the workshops
[25:07] and I said what did they told me to do
[25:09] is I don't know I wasn't listening
[25:10] so it's you know it sort of disappears
[25:13] and unless it winds up in the transcript
[25:15] because it's all sent off and transcribe
[25:17] I often don't find it unless somebody
[25:20] look through the videotapes but yeah
[25:23] it's you know they do have these things
[25:26] and they're in some of the books they
[25:28] have some practices that are supportive
[25:31] for all of us but they're actually not
[25:33] very big learn rules you know there
[25:36] isn't even you do this every twenty day
[25:38] every day for 20 days or 20 minutes
[25:40] every day I don't hear that really it's
[25:42] very much like that there's wiggle room
[25:45] that's perfect it's also people like
[25:50] that they want the how-to instructions
[25:52] know be able to work with the alignments
[25:55] or the attunements you know the guides
[25:57] work with these attunements which they
[25:59] say we're all radios we're all in we're
[26:01] always playing our consciousness our
[26:03] consciousness of the station what they
[26:06] do through the attunements is they're
[26:07] teaching us how to tune our radios to
[26:10] play the higher broadcast which is
[26:12] always there and the attunements are a
[26:14] practice do it with them because until
[26:17] you are able to really align more fully
[26:19] with them they're gonna remain
[26:21] theoretical and this actually isn't the
[26:23] theoretical teaching that's really quite
[26:26] practical and often very physical for
[26:28] people when they work with it I mean
[26:30] it's you know they're they claim they're
[26:32] inclusive of the body and all of these
[26:34] teachings I Know Who I am in truth I
[26:36] know what I am in truth I know how I
[26:39] serve in free is one of their a terminus
[26:42] but the who that is speaking that isn't
[26:44] the personality self is the true self
[26:46] this is the true so
[26:47] knows who it is knows what it is and
[26:50] what it is is in its embodiment in the
[26:52] form that one is taken and how it serves
[26:55] is how one should spread what is
[26:56] expressing and you know the you know
[27:00] people have said well how long do we do
[27:01] these achievements and the guard said
[27:02] ones well you know that they're in
[27:04] filete until you know them until they're
[27:05] your expression like I walk into a room
[27:08] and I know I'm in a male body and I know
[27:10] I lost my hair and you know all that so
[27:13] I don't go when I walk in I am fall and
[27:15] you know I have a beard I just would
[27:18] have except that you know it's part of
[27:20] my reality what I don't always know
[27:23] truthfully is that I'm a divine being
[27:26] that's a bigger struggle for me to sort
[27:29] of claim that part of myself as the
[27:31] truth of who and what I am but that is
[27:33] what they're teaching I mean it seems to
[27:38] be a lesson that is repeatedly taught
[27:42] that's so yeah absolutely
[27:45] you keep absorbing and reminding
[27:46] ourselves a few more questions from
[27:49] folks here thank you for sharing that
[27:52] really I really felt that Paul let's see
[27:58] here this is from Joseph one of the
[28:02] things I've been struggling with from
[28:06] the guides teaching is that the divine
[28:08] isn't all things what makes us as humans
[28:12] different or special from this leaf on
[28:19] the tree the fish in the sea etc well
[28:23] the guides say that there's one note
[28:25] played in the entire universe and that
[28:28] one note or that one tone is is in
[28:32] articulation as all things so there's
[28:34] finally one energy that manifests as you
[28:38] know the rock is the tree is the ocean
[28:40] is who and what we are the gods speak up
[28:44] I mean I what makes us different I
[28:47] suppose is is our potential for
[28:50] realization of who and what we are and I
[28:52] will say you know I think my dog Lily
[28:55] knows who she is and I think the tree
[28:57] outside the window is not trying to be
[29:00] itself it is itself
[29:01] I think we're the ones who sort of have
[29:03] forgotten who and what we truly are and
[29:06] are seeking to replace that the guys
[29:08] speaking their teachings they use a lot
[29:13] of the books they use the term Christ or
[29:14] monad or true self or eternal self then
[29:18] they defined it because it's not a
[29:20] religious teaching but they say the
[29:22] Christ is the aspect of the creator
[29:24] seeking to me realize the material form
[29:27] as who and what we are it's the seed of
[29:30] the divine that seems to grow and flower
[29:32] and express as in to us and is all
[29:35] things so in terms of how we're
[29:38] different I don't know they haven't
[29:40] gotten into that when they ask them no
[29:43] I'm curious with like Lazarus there's a
[29:44] would like to answer this the divine
[29:46] self as self the divine self as self is
[29:49] reacting to fight is reaiiy dead to
[29:50] fight in the plural eyes faith in the
[29:52] plural eyes stayed as it grows beyond
[29:54] the idea of separation as it grows we
[29:56] arm the idea of separation the tree
[29:58] outside the tree outside the skies of
[30:01] the sky itself well I've done well our
[30:03] God are not superior to division are not
[30:05] seeking we articulation happens to them
[30:08] it happens through them as the vibration
[30:10] of all things is looked at as the
[30:12] vibration of all things is lifted
[30:14] because your operators because you are
[30:16] creators and that will indicate and you
[30:18] have the ability to change the idea of
[30:20] Mark the idea of who you are and then
[30:22] the for working towards with you and
[30:23] then lift the world in accordance with
[30:25] through the realization look we realize
[30:27] age to the true self while an individual
[30:30] act while an individualized act is also
[30:33] part of applause it's also part of a
[30:35] pluralized awakening awakened you to the
[30:38] courts now that is in occurrence now
[30:41] again the true self knows what is again
[30:43] the true self knows who it is the tree
[30:45] does as well the tree does as well it
[30:47] doesn't struggle of its complexes it
[30:49] doesn't struggle with its complexes nor
[30:51] there's neither one nor does it deny the
[30:53] divine in those itself a sub source it
[30:55] knows itself as a source you are the
[30:57] ones who find separation you were the
[30:59] ones with claim separation identify to
[31:02] it and identify through it period period
[31:07] Wow I also love that there's a period
[31:11] there you know as a person who writes
[31:13] it's awesome well it helps me because
[31:16] that's what I know they're gonna shut up
[31:18] you know that's little bit thought so
[31:21] often say period period period but you
[31:23] know that's yeah I mean that's you know
[31:26] or they'll say stop now please you know
[31:30] right do you feel a sense of kinship
[31:34] with the guides do you feel that it's a
[31:38] French I mean what is that relationship
[31:40] like for you it's odd
[31:43] there's the primary guide that I work
[31:47] with I've seen a couple of times and one
[31:49] meditation and under hypnosis been
[31:51] fascinating for me because I'm you know
[31:53] primarily visual than this worth it some
[31:56] more you know auditory and physical but
[31:58] it's very physical when I channel I've
[32:00] been over my eyes turn very pale blue
[32:03] you know and I'm like hazel eyes it's
[32:06] something I'd seen but it's been
[32:07] reported by most people who come and
[32:10] look directly with the guides face to
[32:12] face so it's interesting
[32:16] I feel at times that I'm like the person
[32:19] sitting in the front row of the class
[32:20] with his hand up and challenging the
[32:24] teachings because I have to you know
[32:26] there's all these books out with my name
[32:27] in the camera that I didn't actually
[32:29] write and while I don't feel
[32:35] and I'm not the author of the books I
[32:37] feel some level of responsibility to the
[32:39] content only in that you know I wouldn't
[32:43] want people to be harmed or misled by
[32:45] anything that would ever come true me
[32:47] and I'm pretty clear about that so if
[32:49] the guides teach something that I'm
[32:51] challenged by I have been known to say
[32:54] hey wait a minute and the books it
[32:56] appears as you know Paul has a question
[32:58] and then they'll take the question and
[33:01] then we'll usually answered in the body
[33:02] of the text so I mean they're my
[33:04] teachers I don't know all the time that
[33:08] their investment is my personal
[33:10] happiness or my personal desires I think
[33:14] you know I mean I have a level of
[33:16] facility that allows for this to have
[33:18] and threw me on and that's how it
[33:24] happens in some ways I suppose are in
[33:26] this Kanaga refer I also feel that at a
[33:28] certain level I'm of them and distinct
[33:31] from them at the same time um but I also
[33:34] understand that this is probably a much
[33:36] older relationship than this this is
[33:39] something that I've been for the party
[33:40] to you know prior to this life if you
[33:42] believe in those things I do but it's a
[33:45] challenging relationship thankfully I'm
[33:48] often challenging because you know I
[33:50] just show up often in spite of myself
[33:53] and every time I do this even just now
[33:56] it's like you know using a stand on the
[33:59] diving board and you get ready to jump
[34:00] and you just hope that there's water in
[34:02] the pool
[34:03] because I don't know what's gonna happen
[34:04] you know and every time I sit down to do
[34:06] a book and you know the books the rule
[34:09] is I can't go back and change things
[34:10] there might be three words corrected in
[34:13] the whole manuscript both you know 300
[34:15] pages and that's because I stumbled over
[34:18] the word or mispronounced it in a recent
[34:21] lecture the transcriptionist said you
[34:24] know this word presence doesn't make
[34:26] sense but the ruler was prescient you
[34:29] know but it cannot presence but when was
[34:30] under the prescient was clearly you know
[34:33] the indicated word but that's about the
[34:35] level of change its utility you know a
[34:38] vowel even though that was softened too
[34:41] much or a pluralization that wasn't
[34:44] intended that's it does this process
[34:48] take a lot of energy from your body or
[34:53] does it invigorate you I'm sure you even
[34:56] ask that questions are the Pens it
[34:58] really depends if I'm working on when
[35:02] there's a lot of resistance to what's
[35:04] coming through me it can be the training
[35:07] but you know it's arduous physically I
[35:10] mean it is it does take energy it's a
[35:12] physical act but I also have been known
[35:16] to channel for five hours in a day that
[35:18] places like Esalen and most people that
[35:20] I know who do this my channel for 30
[35:22] minutes and that would be it but when
[35:24] the guides are doing books they're gonna
[35:26] lecture lecture lecture because that's
[35:28] how the book books take no more than 30
[35:31] days of lectures you know to make the
[35:34] whole book and then it's just out so
[35:36] though that's art was I love working at
[35:39] Esalen because you know you have
[35:41] wonderful food you can go sit in the tub
[35:43] or you know look at the ocean and
[35:46] replenish so I know but I don't complain
[35:49] about it I mean it's part of the work
[35:51] yeah yeah move it Elena says hi Paul do
[35:58] the guys have any advice or messages for
[36:00] these challenging times you know they've
[36:03] been talking about it a lot I was in
[36:05] Costa Rica at a retreat when everything
[36:08] started to shut down and there's
[36:10] actually a couple of videos that are up
[36:12] on YouTube from that period that you
[36:16] know talk to the top of this and if he's
[36:17] interested I'm gonna ask only one thing
[36:20] only one thing doesn't read if you're
[36:22] don't agree to clearly understand the
[36:25] opportunity here we know who and what
[36:28] you are how the world was made and how
[36:30] the world is made much of what you have
[36:33] agreed to was for you to endear was
[36:35] agreed to in fear or given either
[36:37] himself or an agreement to deny the true
[36:40] self this is in fact an opening this is
[36:42] in fact an opening the great opening a
[36:44] great opening of it is paper - such if
[36:46] it is taken as such not adorn yourself
[36:49] deny the divine in yourself and I know
[36:51] and you denied and all to mind another
[36:54] denied and another who can either
[36:56] yourself even hide in their self of
[36:58] possibility opens the possibility may be
[37:00] known that you may be read
[37:02] we some replaying grease on the highway
[37:05] in a higher way and replacement replicas
[37:07] and we present for the transformation
[37:10] and people come that indeed will come
[37:12] through your swing hmm hmm thank you hmm
[37:18] thank you whew just taking that in takes
[37:24] a moment to just let that kind of sink
[37:26] in so Elena thank you for asking the
[37:30] question folks if you have any other
[37:32] questions we have about maybe a little
[37:35] less than 10 minutes here but Paul I'm
[37:38] curious what what do you do for fun well
[37:43] right now I'm on Maui so when I can get
[37:45] into the ocean I'm really happy because
[37:47] the beaches are open in there you know
[37:49] they're pretty solitary here so that's
[37:51] been nice I have a dog that I hang out
[37:54] with when I'm in New York when this um
[37:56] you know it's funny I this used to be my
[37:59] hobby you know when I had this group
[38:01] that met in my apartment every week it
[38:03] was my hobby now it's my work it's like
[38:05] I have to find another hobby you know if
[38:07] I'm gonna find a balanced life but
[38:10] that's it you know I am NOT a partier
[38:13] you know I'm actually quite shy which
[38:15] makes some things harder for me than
[38:18] others you know you can invite me to the
[38:19] party but I'll hang out in the back
[38:21] better look like um I'm a good host I'm
[38:22] a rotten guest um so yeah I'm still
[38:26] learning what's fun you know I actually
[38:28] I'm using some of this time that I have
[38:32] alone for that kind of reflection and
[38:34] it's beautiful and and on Maui of all
[38:37] places it's just a very powerful place I
[38:41] felt when I was there for quite some
[38:44] time what makes you laugh
[38:48] Oh a lot you know I laugh at myself a
[38:52] lot
[38:55] I'm pleased often by the goodness of
[39:01] other people you know i'm i've been very
[39:03] moved by that in these times actually
[39:06] i've been cared for well you know in
[39:08] this transition but I've got a really
[39:10] dark sense of humor you know when I
[39:12] always have and and I you know I enjoyed
[39:17] that and I loved being made to laugh you
[39:20] know and I my my favorite times are
[39:23] actually when I'm laughing so holy
[39:27] laughter that was good let's see we have
[39:31] one more question and then I think we'll
[39:33] wrap up a little bit here but ah let's
[39:38] see
[39:39] translating pardon me folks while I go
[39:43] back I think the question is translating
[39:47] the I am statements into another
[39:48] language is intention good enough
[39:52] I hear yes I hear yes I just heard that
[39:56] the booklets coming out in August is
[39:58] gonna come out and not in French soon so
[40:03] that you know there yeah they're being
[40:04] worked with another language as I was
[40:06] surprised there's a shaman who I know
[40:08] who was bringing the books with him to
[40:12] ceremonies and I didn't know the drum
[40:14] roll someplace because I started hearing
[40:16] about people who found my writing my
[40:18] book in the Amazon when I was in the
[40:20] Amazon but he's a Spanish speaker and he
[40:24] was working with all of the claims in
[40:26] Spanish and sort of when was their
[40:28] voyage I was sort of watching everything
[40:29] morph you know as he was working you
[40:33] know with them you know with them so I'm
[40:35] assuming they were just as effective I
[40:38] think the intent is enormous was
[40:40] important beautiful that was from Andre
[40:45] Andre a few more questions for you Paul
[40:49] and again thank you for being here on
[40:53] this first Thursday in May you may have
[40:58] answered some of this but what brings
[40:59] you a real sense of wonder and awe
[41:02] I mean the work that I do can and often
[41:09] does I it's not that I'd become jaded
[41:12] but I've become very used for this and
[41:15] I'm used to working with energy and I'm
[41:16] used to so this or the heightened
[41:19] experience that come I don't think I'd
[41:21] experiences the point of the work but I
[41:24] can feel that kind of wonder you know in
[41:28] the presence of some of this and the
[41:30] transformations that I see um but I'm
[41:33] kind of easy you know I'm I can be you
[41:37] know blown away by a wonderful afternoon
[41:39] you know it's not you know I don't have
[41:43] a criteria for wonder it comes when it
[41:45] comes and I react to it as I do I don't
[41:47] know what it's gonna be
[41:48] mmm it's lovely lovely how is this path
[41:53] helped you expand your own human
[41:54] potential you know I'm I mean I can step
[42:00] into people I've never met and begin to
[42:02] resemble them and you know we film doing
[42:04] it and have the other person be filmed
[42:06] in some other city and you can sort of
[42:08] see the manifestation and so it's
[42:10] fascinating stuff I didn't come in doing
[42:13] this this happened as a result of doing
[42:15] the work that I do as far as I can tell
[42:18] so you know how I'm wired it seems to be
[42:22] extremely different than how I used to
[42:25] be unless I was wired for this and I was
[42:27] just so busy lowering my favorite
[42:30] vibration all the time or denying that I
[42:32] didn't know it um but yeah my full life
[42:36] has changed from this in some ways and
[42:39] fabulous ways in some ways in
[42:41] challenging ways I still worry far too
[42:43] much I still complain about being single
[42:46] I have you know I complain about this
[42:48] and that I'm asked asked people who know
[42:49] me I like to complain you know it's not
[42:52] my best asset um you know and I don't
[42:56] pretend to be anything other than I am
[42:59] and I don't pretend to be farther
[43:01] illumined than I am you know but when
[43:04] I'm working I get to feel what that's
[43:06] like because the guides are much wiser
[43:07] then I experience myself as and I can
[43:11] become party to a kind of wisdom that
[43:14] does change me and does support
[43:16] and making very different kinds of
[43:18] choices that I might have otherwise mmm
[43:23] it's good to hear it's good to hear
[43:26] I think we have one more question from
[43:28] some somebody out there and then we'll
[43:31] wrap it up for today they've answered
[43:36] this a little bit what we can what we
[43:40] need to focus on during these
[43:41] challenging times but the question is
[43:43] what comes next after endemic after
[43:46] these challenging times I don't know
[43:49] that I think that what we begun will be
[43:53] going on for some time I don't know who
[43:55] that's what pandemic but I've heard this
[43:56] was the beginning of a series of great
[43:59] changes so I've heard you know I mean I
[44:04] think that there's great potential here
[44:05] um should we choose to take it and how
[44:09] we choose to take it is really going to
[44:11] me a lot about how we experience
[44:13] ourselves in the coming years but um I
[44:16] don't think that this is necessarily a
[44:18] quick experience and I'm not speaking
[44:20] about the virus I'm speaking more about
[44:22] you know what's been initiated here and
[44:25] I think you know a lot is changing you
[44:28] know and I think you know we can rise to
[44:30] it if we're willing to do it it's not
[44:32] about blaming people it's not about
[44:34] fearing things it's about I hope
[44:37] hopefully you know reclaiming our
[44:40] awareness of you know your worthiness of
[44:45] every human being you know and just to
[44:48] move out of this polarization and
[44:50] separation that I think has been you
[44:52] know doing this so that's how I can
[44:56] answer that right now you can ask me get
[44:57] another time and I might have a
[44:59] different one right thank you
[45:03] okay one last question for you what's
[45:06] the most interesting thing you've been
[45:07] learning about yourself lately but I can
[45:10] live with a lot of what I didn't know
[45:12] I'm but I can live without a lot you
[45:14] know I spent two and a half weeks in a
[45:16] tiny house with a hot plate and and I
[45:19] have to say I was enormous ly peaceful
[45:21] there you know I don't need what I
[45:24] thought and I think I'm more
[45:26] self-sufficient than I realized and I
[45:30] I think that you know in some ways I was
[45:33] prepared for some of this stuff and I
[45:35] lived through you know the AIDS epidemic
[45:37] when I was a young man and you know yeah
[45:41] you know I mean so there's stuff but I
[45:44] really am experiencing myself in very
[45:48] different ways than I would have you
[45:50] know I was on the road half the month
[45:52] the last five years I've been settled
[45:55] here and quiet here and very very quiet
[45:57] here and learning from that quiet so you
[46:01] know for me you know I'm learning I
[46:04] think again that I'm not going far guys
[46:08] but I'm not nearly as depending on the
[46:10] things that I thought I needed to make
[46:12] me who I am and that's a good thing that
[46:15] is a good thing it's very beautiful
[46:17] Paul thank you so much really for your
[46:20] time today for being present with us
[46:23] here on this beautiful day it's such a
[46:26] joy to connect with you and thank you
[46:28] everyone who tuned in and asked
[46:30] questions and and watched if you go to
[46:34] Paul's Telecom you can keep track of
[46:36] Paul and his work and his upcoming book
[46:38] is coming out this year's great outcome
[46:44] a is the book alchemy so look for that
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[47:00] you we extend our hearts to you it's a
[47:02] very curious time but we are all in this
[47:04] curiously together so stay safe be well
[47:08] Paul thank you again and we will see you
[47:10] next week