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[0:05] I'll now welcome gangaji and we will all
sit together in silence for a few minutes
[0:11] and gangaji will let us know when the silence is
over so if you wish to close your eyes for the
[0:18] next few minutes please take take part in that
and enjoy the webinar have a great afternoon.
[0:26] so as Ricky said we all sit together about 10
minutes this is an opportunity to really just
[0:36] bring everything that has been happening and is
happening into the seat of silence in your own
[0:45] heart your own quiet mind nothing particular
to do just to be here together in silence
[7:59] silence is really the core essence the finality
the teaching the invitation I bring you today
[8:14] from my teacher Papaji through Papaji from Robin
and Maharshi and for those of you who've never met
[8:24] me before I would just give a brief summation of
my life story and how it came to an end and then
[8:34] the fulfillment began because that's really the
invitation for you and that your life story the
[8:42] story that you tell yourself the narrative that
goes on in your mind really has a beginning and
[8:52] a middle and an end as all stories do stories
are wonderful telling stories is a profound and
[9:03] moving way to share the greatest teachings and
our individual stories are wonderful - they're
[9:10] extraordinary often they're they are sources
of suffering and if that is so it's it's good
[9:20] to know that you actually have a choice that you
can stop telling your story you may not want to
[9:27] you may enjoy telling your story it's not that
you're wrong for telling your story excuse me
[9:34] but you actually have choice and many people
suffer from not recognizing that choice I know
[9:48] that they are great debates about free will
versus no.3 well I'm not exactly speaking of
[9:57] that I'm speaking of a choice that's present in
your story in the mental makeup of your story my
[10:06] story before I met Papaji looked really good
from the outside I had worked really hard on
[10:13] my story to make it better and on myself and on
my health and my relationships I had a really
[10:20] good job I was flourishing in many ways but
underneath that there was something nying at
[10:31] me that was saying it's not enough or it could
all fail could all end what am I doing wrong and
[10:42] what about my childhood which wasn't good and it
would interrupt my fulfillment it would interrupt
[10:49] the the beauty that was around me and I would
suffer unnecessarily there is suffering in the
[10:57] world there suffering in our bodies the planetary
suffering political suffering is we're well aware
[11:03] of in these times and then there's unnecessary
suffering there's the suffering that we add to
[11:10] the pain that's already present in the world and
that suffering that unnecessary suffering has to
[11:18] do with what we tell ourselves when our story
becomes a repetition of the story of suffering
[11:25] when we have a habit of retelling events that
were painful that we did suffer in but we retell
[11:35] them beyond the point of gaining insight from the
retelling just as a habit and so we have habits on
[11:43] unnecessary suffering somehow at this particular
time this was in 1990 I heard of a great teacher
[11:54] and my husband Eli actually went to meet this
teacher and he wrote me letters back saying
[12:02] this is the real deal you've got to come here to
India while I had prayed for a teacher in my mind
[12:12] and my recognition of my unnecessary suffering
and in my recognition that I didn't know exactly
[12:19] how to really in of the unnecessary suffering
I had prayed for a teacher I didn't expect it
[12:26] would be in India he would be in India or that
he would be a heat nevertheless that's where I
[12:33] found myself and in meeting my teacher Papaji and
in recognizing oh this is what I pray for this is
[12:41] a real teacher this is someone who can tell me
something that I've missed or overlooked or just
[12:50] never knew so I paid very close attention in that
moment I actually stopped attending to anything
[12:59] except what he would say and this was just in
the first few moments of our meeting and what
[13:06] he said first was welcomed in a really big way
welcome you're welcome here and then he said what
[13:15] do you want and certainly I thought about what I
wanted plenty of times in my life I thought that
[13:23] was the problem I thought of it too many times
but he was this teacher asking me what do you
[13:29] want and somehow I said freedom I could just as
easily have said peace or love or the end of my
[13:38] suffering but the word freedom came out and he
said to me good you are in the right place so I
[13:49] gave him in that moment full attention and I said
to him tell me what to do I had been to see other
[13:58] teachers before who passed through the Bay Area
and we were living in California and I thought
[14:05] they weren't wonderful and I listened to what
they told me to do I tried to do it sometimes
[14:11] it involved particular practices sometimes
it involved diets sometimes it involved a
[14:18] reevaluation of my state so I was asking him
what do I do that's what you ask a teacher and
[14:28] he said he still and that he quoted rahmanir he
said rahmanir says be still and know who you are
[14:38] so I heard that as a teaching I took that
in as a teaching and I got really in that
[14:48] moment intent on being still so that I would
know who I am I was working really at being
[14:57] still I had practiced different
kinds of mindfulness meditation
[15:02] I had practiced being there the observer I
practiced merging with States so I was just
[15:10] trying to recognize okay stillness where
are you and he say he saw this of course
[15:18] we were just in a smaller room together
and he said stop even that is too much
[15:25] really be still take this moment take this
precious lifetime and stop the word stop
[15:41] became a holy word for me but I realized when I
tell people in this part of the story they often
[15:48] hear stop as some kind of reprimand and like
a teacher saying stop that's not good stop so
[15:55] another word for stop could be just opening he
was saying to me be still open your mind don't
[16:05] fill it with what you think I'm asking you to do
just open your mind and see how far away are you
[16:15] from freedom how far away are you from peace from
love from the truth who you are well this was a
[16:31] huge moment for me I did experience the arising
of a great fear that if I really really did what
[16:43] he said which was stop I could actually lose
all that I had gained and I said that to him
[16:51] and he said yes you will lose everything this
is the opportunity to lose everything you will
[16:58] anyway when you die or when some event happens it
takes everything away so now before that happens
[17:10] in this moment you have the opportunity to stop
the open to be still and in that instant you can
[17:24] tell the truth about what is always here in that
instant your mind recognizes its own source what
[17:36] is before any and all stories after any story and
in the midst of any story what is already free
[17:46] from all stories the great sublime the horrible
despairing the anguishing stories underneath in
[17:58] the middle of surrounding those stories it is
perfect peace perfect fulfillment I stayed with
[18:09] him some time six weeks that first visit and there
were I think maybe twelve other people in the
[18:17] room at that time and become a big famous teacher
yeah and so I got to hear their questions and if
[18:25] another question arose for me I got to ask that
question he would go around the room calling on
[18:32] their something always he would get back to what
do you want where is it or what do you want where
[18:44] have you looked for it if you stop looking if in
this moment you just opened what is here so I had
[18:58] met my fulfillment I had met my true teacher and
through him that Ramana who I had of course her
[19:05] dog he's a famous famous teacher did guru but
I hadn't I had never gotten in the simplicity
[19:15] of what he said the profundity of what he is say
the invitation I had never thought it was for me
[19:22] I thought it was when I get to a certain stage
on my path or when I've accomplished what I my
[19:29] story tells me I need to accomplish my spiritual
story or my worldly story but in the meeting with
[19:38] Papaji and in his introduction to Ramana I have
been overwhelmed with the bliss of being not they
[19:50] always happy bliss I read the news I am very
aware of the news right now and the suffering
[19:58] that's going on in our cities and the suffering
with the pandemic in our world and injustice that
[20:06] is always going on all over the world in homes
and neighborhoods and cities and countries and
[20:13] regions so it's not about I'm not inviting you
to close out anything I'm inviting you to open
[20:25] and to open more fully than you can even think or
imagine and in that opening you will discover you
[20:36] naturally discover what has always been open you
can even remember a time when you were certain
[20:45] you were lost oh there was great suffering and
if you reflect on that time from this place of
[20:51] opening you will see even then there was grace
there was a presence of being your being that
[21:00] was untouched by any harm so after some time
Papaji tested me in different ways and then
[21:11] asked me to bring this invitation to you to any
who are interested he wanted it to be in the West
[21:19] and at the when he first told me that I said Oh
Papa gee I don't even know Raman his teachings I
[21:26] don't know what invite of Vedanta is and he said
good it's excellent then you will only speak from
[21:33] your own experience so he was not asking me to
learn something he was asking me to share what
[21:42] it is to be to freely be to certainly be without
closing anything out but opening to what is always
[21:54] here so I'm here at his invitation to meet you
it's my great joy to meet you in this and like
[22:04] thank 14:40 for inviting me to participate in this
and ricky and avery for running this the zoom call
[22:13] and the gangaji staff Zubin and harriet barb and
Tom for setting this up because right away when
[22:23] I came back I was living in Hawaii by then I came
back and someone said whoa you're really different
[22:32] what's happening and I just began answering her
questions and it spread very quickly and it was
[22:40] quite clear that there were more people who wanted
to know about it then I could take care of in my
[22:45] living room and in fact in this little Hawaii
house living room was even sagging so I asked
[22:54] for help and that was 30 years ago and help has
been here ever since it's the gandhiji staff
[23:05] certainly I am an object of gratitude to them but
also centers like 14:40 who make themselves and
[23:16] present themselves and serve serve all beings
in many different ways so and I thank you for
[23:25] tuning in my talks to people are not like regular
talks I don't I will say more about what it means
[23:35] what I'm speaking about and on the theme of this
particular meeting but I'm not really here to give
[23:45] you a talk I'm here for us to be for us to meet
in the deepest sense it may appear superficial
[23:55] but the potential is for it to be a meeting in
the deepest sense a meeting that transforms your
[24:02] your definition of yourself that transforms the
power your particular story or even the power the
[24:14] particular story you want our desire has so it's
in that sense it's essential that I also hear from
[24:26] you and I and we will engage in a conversation
because otherwise this can just be something that
[24:36] you hear and you cannot that you know that sounds
good no I don't agree with that so much and it's a
[24:43] it's abstract it's separate from you but when we
engage in a conversation then we can see how is
[24:51] this actually relevant to you in your particular
life with the unique circumstances that you have
[24:59] as well as the circumstances that you hold in
common with all being everywhere so at a point
[25:09] I mean you could even raise your hand now if you
have a desire to speak but I would at a point I
[25:15] will invite you to to raise your hand and if if
you have a question or you have a report or you
[25:22] have something you won't clarify that I've said
and then we can get into a conversation it's been
[25:31] profound to discover how intimate conversations
on zoom' can be I often have small group meetings
[25:39] and bigger group meetings and and there's a kind
of electricity certainly in all human meetings
[25:47] just that we are connected limbic lis but there's
an added voltage to the electricity when we are
[25:56] speaking and we are hearing and we are realizing
always more deeply the truth of who one is and how
[26:08] inclusive that is the totality of that because I'm
never suggesting that you have to look a certain
[26:16] way or act a certain way or feel or suppress
a certain way or think a certain way or talk
[26:24] a certain way it's not about changing vocabulary
or changing your circumstances although as we know
[26:30] circumstances to change it's about recognizing
what is already changeless so when I suggest or
[26:41] invite you to open to be still to stop your story
I'm really pulling and pushing your mind stream to
[26:57] the recognition of what is always still the mind
comes home to itself which is you your mind stream
[27:10] is a great power of yours but like all powers
it tries to run the show when the mind stream
[27:21] is invited back to its source it's in Wonder and
in awe and it's then a servant to the source - you
[27:34] do the truth of who you are the peace the love the
freedom so I know even words like peace and love
[27:45] and freedom can be very abstracted and certainly
we have internal definitions of those words that
[27:53] are useless so all words have become corrupted
nevertheless we we speak in words when I say peace
[28:04] it's not what we think of is peace it's not peace
that is free of conflict it's peace that is free
[28:14] even in conflict it's love that is love and free
even in the most horrible experiences of hatred
[28:28] negativity loss dryness still presence is here
so I just want to say again I'm not inviting you
[28:42] to acquire something I'm inviting you to recognize
who you are that you are and that it is a precious
[28:52] lifetime to be even if that life are certainly
all lifetimes give you great challenges and we
[29:01] are certainly in a challenge now whether it's the
challenge of injustice or the challenge of disease
[29:10] the challenge of loss the challenge of not knowing
all of those challenges can point us to the deeper
[29:22] recognition of what is here and then they are
meeting somehow radiate out so that here this beam
[29:35] of light coming from you and you and you can be a
beacon of what's possible regardless of the horror
[29:46] of the times or regardless of how bad the times
get because this teaching finally is ancient ramen
[29:59] and Maharshi gave words to it very few words but
precious words be still know who you are in Papaji
[30:09] gave beautiful articulate playful strong words to
it stop stop where you are recognize who you are
[30:20] and gangaji has appeared in your life to show that
it's just like you regular human being that you
[30:32] have full capacity to recognize the truth of your
being so I would I know Ricky said that the last
[30:44] half hour I would take questions but it's really
more like the last hour so that we have plenty of
[30:50] time to to really get into this in a deep deep way
and in a relevant way your lifetime what's that
[31:01] time great there's something in the middle of my
screen about this webinar is being recorded excuse
[31:09] me we always had little technical things that have
to be corrected but it says push continue but I
[31:16] can see Ricky at the top but I can't say runneth
over me know I could have done it oh that's all
[31:28] right I was afraid to touch it I understand yes
well gangaji and Tom would you like me to call
[31:37] on our first attendee okay I'm going to go ahead
and turn on your video if you're prepared just
[31:46] one moment Sheena you said correct yeah sure and
there Sheena are you able to turn on your video
[31:57] yep no I hear you are hi welcome
sorry you know what the room is
[32:05] dark sorry I'm in France so it's
nighttime oh good wonderful can
[32:11] you turn your volume up just a little
bit yeah yeah oh hi gangaji [Music]
[32:19] [Music] you know so beautiful
to be with you right now
[32:34] likewise um I don't have an agenda for this
question it was just I don't know if I have
[32:47] a question it looked just as I was sitting with
you I had this um it was it gave me a chance to
[32:56] be still and what came up was this idea of
I'm in such a privileged space right now and
[33:08] what can I be doing to help what's happening at
home you know I'm like and and there's really
[33:20] nothing I can do and then came this kind of
sadness and I remembered that okay so I think
[33:35] what I want to get is when you were telling your
story about Papaji and how it was a transformation
[33:40] for you I it's been a transformation for me to
have met you and to and to meet with you every
[33:49] month in the forum I mean in the webinars and
then you said the transformation that occurs is
[34:00] that one knows peace even in times of suffering
and I haven't reached the point of transformation
[34:10] I mean I did though when we were sitting still
and I started getting sad I remembered something
[34:16] that you say which is that when you it could
be an indicator that you're not present when
[34:23] you're suffering find out if it's unnecessary
or not and I did I questioned the sadness and
[34:30] I realized that being here with you and everyone
else on this call I know that we're privileged
[34:42] that were not you know under fire or maybe some
of us are in bed sick I don't know but there was
[34:50] a piece there at that moment because I was aware
that I I'm not suffering and there's nothing that
[34:58] I have to do and then I felt this like this sense
of humility you know this deep sense of humility
[35:07] just the I guess awestruck with the beauty of the
world and but when you did bring that up in the
[35:21] last section of what just before you you've turned
it over to to us to ask questions I thought yeah
[35:28] but I still keep getting caught and not being able
to be free in the midst of what I perceive are to
[35:36] the stories of pain you know the stories of my own
personal pain or the story of the world's pain and
[35:41] that when you said what Papaji asked you what you
wanted that's what I want like why aren't that I
[35:50] want to come home and have everyone tell me you've
changed what do you got and then I could say this
[35:55] is what I got this is really important of course
because certainly I mean you had a true taste of
[36:05] peace just in a moment of sitting and and everyone
on this call on this webinar has had true taste of
[36:13] bliss and love and peace and yet since that is a
state of mind or feeling it is bound to come and
[36:24] go it's in bondage all feelings this is maybe the
most profound thing Papaji ever said to me he said
[36:33] find out what comes and goes and then you'll find
out what doesn't move what's always here so then
[36:42] that became the inquiry of the investigation so
sir I would have oh she annek feelings of peace
[36:48] or do have oceanic feelings of peace but they
are feelings and by the law of nature feelings
[36:58] come and go they have a beginning they have an
end the moment before I was feeling the oceanic
[37:05] peace I was feeling something else wonderful or
horrible and then oceanic peace and then after
[37:13] oceanic peace something else thoughts come and
go definitions peace our love for God come and
[37:24] go people come and go bodies come and go planetary
systems come and go we can tell the truth of what
[37:35] comes and goes and then if you don't expect what
comes and goes to never come or to never go then
[37:46] you can see what's present even when the feeling
of anguish appears so it's not the peace feeling
[37:56] that I'm talking about I certainly don't walk
around in bliss all day mmm I'm happy most of
[38:03] the time but I'm not in bliss when I read the
newspaper if somebody cuts me off with driving
[38:10] or if somebody's rude to me in a store if I
see somebody I think is being inappropriate
[38:16] no their feelings their human feelings that are
are natural to human form that are appropriate
[38:23] if if their habitual feelings then I can say
they're unnecessary suffering and that's when
[38:30] I ask you there you know look and see how does
this fit into your story and what I would say for
[38:36] you in this moment and you can investigate this
and let me know it is true part of the story is
[38:43] well I want to feel peace all the time and if
I don't feel peace then I'm doing it wrong and
[38:51] I want to feel peace so people will recognize
it and then catch it or whatever but that's a
[38:58] it may be a beautiful story it's certainly a
spiritual story but it's still a story about
[39:05] a feeling that comes and goes now I know that
there are yogic trainings that way and Yogi's
[39:13] who can maintain particular states of mind from
3040 years but that's not what I'm speaking about
[39:21] I'm speaking about what is here before that
state of mind whether it's attained from an
[39:28] instant decades and what's here during that
state of mind and what's here when he passes
[39:37] so basically what I'm asking you and this moment
is what are you experiencing right now I am always
[39:46] here I'm always here and that feels good right
obviously yeah yes it's useful but that feeling
[40:00] is not reliable and when the feeling changes then
you have an opportunity not to get back to the the
[40:09] good feeling but to really go oh I don't feel so
good yeah I don't feel like I am always here so
[40:18] what is here then is it the question of inquiry
then we have our intelligence and our curiosity
[40:26] with you those are the gifts of the human brain
human mind to really be able to enjoy what is
[40:34] here not what should be here oh how do I get back
what was here that's a kind of bondage yeah but
[40:43] you have the freedom to inquire what is here so
if you lose this sense this blessed sense that
[40:55] I am always here and you let some other emotion
like you haven't done enough you need to do more
[41:06] what is there a feeling that comes with that
and all feeling maybe yes there's a feeling of
[41:16] of inadequacy yeah so that's the point of
inquiry in that moment you let your mind
[41:31] stream turn directly into inadequacy without
fixing it without dramatizing it without going
[41:43] on against it because those are strategies of
mine to avoid this very feeling of inadequacy
[41:49] because it's true there's a human being you are
inadequate if you know as a form you can't be
[41:58] here and there although you are here and
there we transcended that with this zoom
[42:04] call but in general that feeling of inadequacy
is a legitimate feeling so rather than getting
[42:12] rid of that or bringing some practice into so
that another feeling a better feeling will be
[42:21] generated what if you just open to inadequacy so
that you are completely inadequate in this moment
[42:40] and then you recognize if there are narratives of
storylines that go with that inadequacy you just
[42:47] push them to the side because you're going to the
experiential feeling the bodily emotional feeling
[42:57] of inadequacy I can feel my throat constrict so
much my throat begins to constrict constrict yeah
[43:08] I was like a you know you're being choked maybe
you're killed even killed by your own inadequacy
[43:16] and I'm laughing with you but I understand
that can be quite intense because all of a
[43:24] sudden sudden we are using our mind streams our
attention in a very different way we aren't using
[43:32] the attention to keep something away or to get
something we're using the attention to really
[43:39] say what is here and inadequacy that can be huge
and we can feel like oh so this is the gift of
[43:51] inquiry is actually needing death and in this
experience of inadequacy that's a form of death
[44:01] because you're losing your definition or your
hope or your goal of adequacy a purpose it's a
[44:13] beautiful beautiful hope beautiful goal but for
the purpose of discovering what doesn't coming
[44:20] though all hopes and goals are in way they cloud
the vision so when you allow the constriction in
[44:32] your throat and you allow the whatever bodily
sensations and you just send your attention
[44:40] deeper into it into that rather than running
away from there fixing what do you experience
[44:50] just in this moment there's really no right or
wrong answer I I've been feeling as you've been
[44:56] talking this kind of openness to to being it yeah
and it's not a feeling really it's in my line of
[45:06] being humble there's any humility to it you know
well that's kind of ego anyway to be adequate yes
[45:19] that's right then when you say humility and use
you know use that word just a few moments ago
[45:26] and and you talked about the awesomeness of
it yeah we we are afraid of humility if for
[45:32] the punishment of it or something like we will be
humiliated but the humility is actually it's great
[45:42] yes it's breathe do anything you tried and then
you are free and if there is doing it comes not
[45:52] from your mind but from this mystery of yourself
then your mind can follow that we are trained you
[46:02] know we go to school to be trained to lead with
our minds and that's absolutely appropriate in
[46:08] many circumstances it's appropriate to learn to
fight what's what's gonna harm you like we are
[46:17] fighting this virus and it's perfectly appropriate
to protect yourself from local harm you like where
[46:24] I'm asking me social distancing me quarantine
that's absolutely appropriate there's a threat to
[46:31] our particular survival and even it's appropriate
you know to have a moment where you don't think
[46:38] about it you deny it you ignoring you've taken the
precautions and and it doesn't exist and beautiful
[46:46] but this is something else it's not a movement
of mind it's a return of mind to what is here
[46:59] yeah that's really helpful I've been wanting
to meet you in person but I'm in France it's
[47:11] difficult oh this is so beautiful this is a
meeting in person yeah I'm so surprised with
[47:19] the first zoom calls that the person is so here
you know your your individuality yeah its present
[47:28] and it's it's beautiful hmm we see you I mean
just a taste of all the forms of the universe
[47:36] in this unique fun thank you all right thank
you so next we have Cara or Cara excuse me if
[48:06] I pronounced it wrong welcome but if you would
like to please turn on your video Here I am i
[48:16] gosh it's so amazing to see you hmm thank you so
much I'm gonna I can't I'm gonna try and get you
[48:29] on a bigger there okay nervous and excited I'm
so grateful for everybody else talking because
[48:39] I got so much I am really noticing an addiction
to a man's story and how I betray myself in that
[48:54] story and I can see it but I I'm hoping that you
can help me remember who I am what do you want
[49:11] well let me rephrase it because you said you're
hoping that I can help you remember who you are
[49:18] as I would say that's what you want but
in this relationship in this addiction
[49:22] their relationships and their addictions and
it's there's a major difference but in this
[49:28] addiction what is it you want what will
it give you if you get what you want my
[49:35] of love yes beautiful so in this moment
if you don't look anywhere for that long
[49:46] what's here
[49:59] just what your experiences and what's here really
I'm not waiting for you to say a particular word
[50:08] or state it's whatever is here that's that's
what we're meeting [Music] when you stop
[50:15] looking for love any place everything myself like
[Music] nervousness I can sense some peace some
[50:34] like the the meanness all of my emotions and
[50:53] aliveness and some love how
much not if you focus in on
[51:05] the love how big is that you find
a boundary but the top or a bottom
[51:21] now sew it in this moment of inquiry of actually
turning your attention to what you want and not
[51:36] looking to get something but actually turning
your attention towards here is anything needed
[51:57] I want to say yes because I'm still hooking in a
little bit but I really can see no this is great
[52:06] that's it you really can see no but the habit is
to say yes because I would like for him to come
[52:15] back or calm you know or whatever it is but it'd
be here right now so those are natural desires
[52:21] especially when it's an intense relationship I
don't know what the relationship is it's just
[52:26] starting over or whatever it doesn't even matter
if you can recognize if there's a natural human
[52:35] desires even addictions are natural in that
sense but there's something that is before
[52:44] natural that's before hormonal activity or before
desires for certain outcomes or before before you
[52:54] and it you and him and that's really inquiring
that's a true recognition of what's before and
[53:11] that's the point I mean I'm I'm really not
here I obviously don't know anything about
[53:18] your relationship and I'm not here to give you any
relationship counseling but I am here to invite
[53:27] you and to point you and push you and support you
in discovering this depth of love here can I feel
[53:44] like I feel like it comes because you're here
you know what can I say it's never come before
[53:55] so you have proof that that's not true it may it
is supported to come back because I'm here because
[54:08] that's what I'm doing in your life that's what
meet that's why I pappad you sent me out to to
[54:15] ring a bell so it all you were interested
I should give you some signal it's coming
[54:25] excuse me imma just do a little time that's the
point of our meeting so I've used the analogy of
[54:40] a watering hole before that yes there are watering
watering holes and we go to those watering holes
[54:48] meetings like this for nourishment and even some
animals live around the watering hole but most
[54:57] leave and go about their their usual search
for food and a life and a mate or whatever it
[55:04] may be but as soon as you're thirsty again you
know that nothing will take care of that but
[55:10] the water the essence of your being and pretty
soon you recognize that you don't have to move
[55:18] an inch for that nourishment but maybe you don't
recognize that until someone tells you or invite
[55:27] you to drink to drink so deeply that without
a doubt you recognize you are the water that
[55:35] you are being nourished by you are the love that
you discover underneath everything else and not
[55:45] as a spiritual concept but as a direct experience
when you actually meet as we just saw before when
[55:57] she was actually meeting the inadequacy then she
could actually find something under that so when
[56:05] you meet the unloved ability if that's what's
under it it usually is in most relationships if
[56:11] you actually meet that huh you see that's that's
a phantom it's a ghost but it takes facing the
[56:21] ghost to realize what's the truth is that's an
old curse takes facing the curse to defuse the
[56:31] curse that makes sense to you yeah so so when
I see it come out just just be willing to sit
[56:40] in it to just be still yeah yeah take a moment
you know you can take 12 seconds tick take 10
[56:48] minutes take 2 minutes and don't fix it don't
chase it away don't put something on top of it
[56:56] so let it be here fully if it's unloved ability
if it's inadequacy if it's weakness whatever it
[57:07] may be be here and then there is that's and
letting it be here I have to keep emphasizing
[57:13] is very much more essential than acting it
out like oh I'm unlovable oh I'm inadequate
[57:21] I'm unlovable completely fully unlovable it just
takes a second to recognize the hook of that but
[57:35] also to recognize the lie of that hmm you follow
yeah yeah totally mmm thank you so much yeah but
[57:50] your relevant question hmm really it's how are
we with one another I want this one I don't want
[57:59] that one nights and and those are natural human
attributes but in the depth of yourself the human
[58:09] is happening on the surface nothing I mean it can
be wrong that can certainly be bad behaviors are
[58:17] useless behaviors are behaviors that cause
unnecessary suffering but if we don't even
[58:23] concern ourselves with that in this moment now
be enquiry and rather we just open to the depths
[58:32] where is love that could be a good question for
you yes where is love after all and that no but
[58:43] I want it over there because it's attractive
that's right there's attraction but in this
[58:49] moment I don't want to make light of addictions
and addictive behavior I know it's miserable and
[59:04] I expect that most of us on the call have had
some at least inkling of that whether it's with
[59:12] food or people or activities or just our politics
or whatever it may be we want it to be the way we
[59:21] want it to be and it's just often not the way
we want it to be that's the that's the great
[59:30] humbling but what is the way we want it to be is
what we truly want so if you can ask yourself why
[59:41] do I truly want where am I looking for it and
if I stop looking anywhere for it what's here
[59:51] what are you experiencing right now okay Ness okay
miss yeah well it sounds like when you say they're
[1:00:03] like maybe I'm reading this into it so you can
correct me it's like okay miss yeah I think like
[1:00:17] like a flavor of self-hate or a flavor of this
is now getting to it that's I mean I say that's
[1:00:28] great it's great in the sense of you've gotten
into a deeper yes why would we want love if there
[1:00:35] weren't some sense of not having Maupin having
instead the opposite of which is self hate hmm
[1:00:43] that gets near close to the bone and of course
we don't want to experience that way and so all
[1:00:49] of our activity is about not experiencing that
but it doesn't work mm-hmm because you you can
[1:00:56] never get enough because that's always haunting
you yeah yes so this is an opportunity in this
[1:01:03] moment to actually bring self-hatred here just
yeah I just feel much fuller and and more happy
[1:01:15] just to speak that just to have that yes that's
telling you told the truth yeah that's right so
[1:01:25] it's already it's that free and from truth
and when I said earlier you had choice you
[1:01:33] know and often we don't realize we have choice I
didn't mean you have choice of this person will
[1:01:40] be with you or your life will look a certain
way I meant you have choice in the moment to
[1:01:47] actually turn your attention to what you've been
running from you have choice then to recognize
[1:01:54] what's underneath there and you have a choice
to be true to that or to at least recognize
[1:02:03] when you betray that mm-hmm and not punished I'm
not suggesting you punish yourself of course I'm
[1:02:12] not saying you know bad girl you had too much
self-hatred today it's just like oh yes we're
[1:02:19] talking you know you could've been born with this
it could been passed on in the DNA or you acquired
[1:02:26] this at an early age many children grow up to
have some sense of self-hatred because that's
[1:02:31] the way they were taught in some way bad girl
on a bad boy and it gets internalized and there
[1:02:40] are lots of ways you can deal with that but this
is not even really dealing with it it's meeting
[1:02:48] yeah I'm meted you see it is yeah the joy
is here yeah that's that's the support for
[1:02:57] me the truth no thank you no thanks
so happy you brought this here and so
[1:03:04] relevant so important so much self-hatred
in the world that goes unacknowledged and
[1:03:12] becomes bravado or becomes fundamentalism it's
just some activity of mine thank you thank you
[1:03:23] thank you Cara thank you so much afternoon thank
you alright and our next attendee guys Allah if
[1:03:39] you'd like to turn on your video and join us
thank you what's the name may be pronouncing it
[1:03:46] wrong but guys Allah it's how I'm Sabina sorry
retreat on August you know be carrying with me
[1:04:12] your talk your radio posts and mostly during
all this past three months and I just went
[1:04:21] out just to let you know that foundation for the
children that I mentioned I'm from remember I told
[1:04:27] you I was from Guatemala well it's already it's
already created register we're starting with our
[1:04:36] humanitarian activity right now as we're speaking
and III wanted to let you know because I had so
[1:04:46] much support in the community when I reportedly
do that and but besides that I had to leave I was
[1:04:59] I was in the States when they burst I had my visa
and I had to leave and at the beginning I was like
[1:05:12] a little bit no a little bit not very anxious
very tense to to move from the states and fly
[1:05:21] to another [ __ ] and well my parents I mean my
parents my grandparents I'm from Spain so I have
[1:05:32] Spain residency so I flew from the States to Spain
and when I took the decision I was in peace I was
[1:05:44] grateful to be able to afford it to do it and
and but then but the but comes to me later when
[1:05:54] I arrived here and I live alone and everything my
children are all grown up and they have their own
[1:06:01] lives and everything but when I was here I mind my
mind is the same habits that you were mentioning
[1:06:09] before my habits became so alive and my narrative
was so intense and and I I know this how this
[1:06:20] psychological time I mean when I go to the path
and then to the future with my narrative becomes
[1:06:31] so intense that really makes me suffer a lot a
lot and in demented naira to became about oh how
[1:06:44] could you got into a plane during upon them how
could you risk yourself and and all this narrative
[1:06:53] became so intense with such an emotional charge
and it's it's been difficult to to for me to stay
[1:07:04] still and see what's underneath that fear and that
anxiety I don't know if I'm explaining I'm trying
[1:07:16] to you are you're telling the truth I can tell
you what I'm hearing and you let me know it if
[1:07:23] I haven't gotten it correctly it's like something
maybe all the stress of the change and everything
[1:07:30] plugged you back into a an old kind of drama in
your mind and there is a lot of stress going on
[1:07:40] and so they definitely one of the the reactions we
have to stress isn't anxiety and it's not you know
[1:07:50] in terms of survival that's it's not unadvised
because if we're anxious we are paying attention
[1:07:56] to what needs to be paid attention to but what I'm
hearing you and when I hear people talk about this
[1:08:03] anxiety it's inappropriate anxiety you you've
actually taken care of what you need it to do
[1:08:08] and so the anxiety becomes some way of punishing
you that you're not listed or you're not all the
[1:08:18] time it's unnecessary and it has to do with you
know some old latent habit that didn't have an
[1:08:30] opportunity to spring to life but then when you
pushed here it here it comes an old ghost an old
[1:08:39] demon an old tendency and so what an opportunity
now if you fight that demon the demon made appear
[1:08:49] to go away but it will come back stronger and
if you ignore it you know you're on top of the
[1:08:56] anxiety you get frozen or something and if you
just dramatize it in your luckily and anxious and
[1:09:05] tearing your hair you know it's you know that
it just it's useless it's just more drama so
[1:09:11] it's really the willingness to actually let your
attention fall into the fear that is the root of
[1:09:20] anxiety without fear being bad without judging
fear because fear is natural to all life it's
[1:09:29] part of our survival and the neck mechanism just
to to open to the fear and it's a fear of losing
[1:09:39] whether that losing is the ultimate loss which is
death and our losing health or losing momentum in
[1:09:49] one's life are losing what we had and we do lose
and so the the way the Papaji would always say
[1:09:59] this it was so profound as lose everything right
now so losing is not an issue lose at all there's
[1:10:10] all your enlightenment or your unenlightened
all your good work or your bad work are you
[1:10:20] positive events all your negative events you
just moves it off and what's here in this moment
[1:10:36] in the core my mind is very active right
now this once to one wants to ask you how
[1:10:47] can you lose oh how how it's I mean I wanted
it but uh it's like my and I wanted to if you
[1:10:56] want it so that it will give you something
that's not quite losing its right losing all
[1:11:03] its really meeting that but meeting death in
a way that we can relate to by the activity
[1:11:12] of our minds so in this moment if you have no
hope of anything getting better and you stop
[1:11:25] fighting that hopelessness or the fear
that generates the hopelessness and you
[1:11:31] stop like trying to make it alright then
your mind has nothing to do but open can
[1:11:42] you open to fear or can you open to loss that
can open to death in this moment my discomfort
[1:11:56] without an agenda that if you open to it you
will be fixed it's like without a future just
[1:12:10] now that goal yeah without a goal yes without
a goal goal beautiful as girls may be in this
[1:12:17] moment of enquiry there's no future that's where
you go on that there's no past that's where the
[1:12:26] punishment is generated or the incentives
but in just this moment now that you're
[1:12:33] saying all this i mm my body feels all this
like electrical sensations like electricity
[1:12:45] tremors yeah and my habit when all this
arises my habits my usual habits are no
[1:12:58] this is not what I wanna be this is not what
I want to feel did it's it's automatically I
[1:13:07] don't really think about it yeah it's like you
were saying you get numb or you just debate or
[1:13:14] just dissociate or it's so automatically and I
beginning to feel or I get paralyzed you know my
[1:13:23] my mind my body it but I have I have noticed
that comes that usually comes like that and
[1:13:32] that's no you know it's you learned how to
deal with it it's okay there's no judgment
[1:13:38] on that that's really fine it has its place
you can get them through things when you you
[1:13:44] know just really steel yourselves to do
it like this is just something different
[1:13:49] so even underneath that getting rigid
or keeping it together or just you just
[1:13:58] as you say the electricity the energy and the
vibration that's happening in your solar plexus
[1:14:08] we're in your heart your throat just just
to allow that lifeforce to be here as it is
[1:14:18] hmm what's your experience like miss Magnus yeah
yeah nothing being alive you stealing everything
[1:14:39] yes yes allowing no go ahead I interrupted
you know a lot allowing allowing myself to
[1:14:49] these lightness however it comes and goes and
however it can be felt like or that's freedom
[1:14:59] that's freedom then you can recognize quite
clearly without working it out what comes
[1:15:07] and goes and sometimes the electricity is
intensely here I mean sometimes you have
[1:15:14] to take some action with it you have to lie
down you have to go back see in nature it's
[1:15:20] all totally appropriate and recommended but
finally just to be able to open this yes to
[1:15:30] be here as the source of it all then you aren't
haunted by it then it doesn't drive you it's
[1:15:44] it's appearing in you like weather appears
an electrical storm thunder and lightning
[1:15:52] wind maybe most like when like some winds
very uncomfortable but they're not personal
[1:16:01] they're natural phenomena this too is that it's
comes with this body with most bodies but maybe
[1:16:17] it's more with this particular body it often is
that way that we have more weather patterns just
[1:16:24] like certain places on the pack on the planet
have more weather than other places so say
[1:16:29] there's a lot of webbing yeah I can just noting
whether it be the weather and then you recognize
[1:16:38] your untouched in core you are the stillness but
all this wind and energy and electricity is gone
[1:16:49] thank you I'm not saying I'm not saying to
push yourself into that place it's just yes
[1:16:58] because it's sometimes quite appropriate to you
know to break the pattern in whatever way the
[1:17:06] walk a conversation with a friend whatever
that's all allowed and perfect but then by
[1:17:15] yourself when you you feel this there is an
invitation and a possibility to go deeply
[1:17:21] inside but I want to just also really say
how happy I am about you your connections
[1:17:29] I hope you connected here the shower I know
that you she wanted to speak to you and just
[1:17:34] the possibility of supporting children know
how beautiful that is and and how recognize
[1:17:43] that is so thank you very much that's also thank
you thank you thank you for joining us gangaji
[1:17:57] would you like to take another question or two
I think I can do one more I'm having some throat
[1:18:03] things but I had my handy cough drops oh oh
all right so next up we have Johnny here go
[1:18:10] ahead and Johnny for comfortable please turn on
your video for us thank you joining us Johnny
[1:18:23] mute hi oh there you are hi hi hi it's so
nice to be here with you feel the same way
[1:18:37] yeah I want to just thank you for being such a
generous and graceful and just a real guiding
[1:18:51] light in my life the last year it's been I'm
emotional I'd say this of course but I really
[1:18:58] do I see such an immense light from within you
and and I stand and I'm so grateful to be able
[1:19:07] to recognize that that's my light as well yes
it's beautiful it's beautiful and yeah do you
[1:19:18] mind if I just dive right in sure yes okay so I
have so much to share I have so much love that
[1:19:30] I want to express and I and I know that I'm
not alone and I don't want to single myself
[1:19:38] out as being somehow more capable and ready of
shining but I do find myself so frustrated at
[1:19:47] I just I'm struggling because I your generosity
is so incredible and I you know taking watching
[1:19:58] you filled these other questions and and then
I'm where I'm recognizing I'm like we've got
[1:20:03] all these other things in the world to do within
these issues but then I realize that every one
[1:20:08] of these issues is a microcosm of the whole
thing and I see that it's so beautiful but my
[1:20:14] I guess I don't know what I'm saying I think
I'm I'm struggling with my reactivity and I
[1:20:23] think my activity is keeping me from shining
as brightly as I could and I know right now so
[1:20:29] John into me just interrupt what if that part
that my reactivity is keeping me from shining
[1:20:36] this bright I could that's the story what
if you drop that just that story long yeah
[1:20:46] then the charge of the reactivity it it has no
nothing to charge with you know it's like you
[1:20:54] just you just dropped a line yeah okay you're
reactive so you reactive it's that human nature
[1:20:59] to be reacting but if you don't have charge with
that does that really have anything to do with the
[1:21:06] light that's coming from you in this moment no not
at all and look you're giving it to all the people
[1:21:13] on this call I think there's five or hundred
people on this call so we're getting to see
[1:21:18] you up close it's beautiful it's beautiful to be
seen I think that's one of the big issues in the
[1:21:27] world is we don't see each other we don't we don't
eliminate everything we think we know we just know
[1:21:35] we're so shrouded and these filters to see the
world and and I see so much that I'm sensitive
[1:21:41] to a lot of that possibly more than most I don't
want to end it's hard to qualify or quantify it
[1:21:47] but I see so much of that ignorance I see so much
of that sooner world with this with this crowd is
[1:21:56] limited an ignorant worldview and I just want
to be suit for Who I am right now and they yeah
[1:22:03] I mean yet you want to be seen and we want and
that's the be of inquiry so the secret the secret
[1:22:10] honestly I promise you I guarantee it with my life
is to be willing to see yeah and then it doesn't
[1:22:21] mean you're universally seen people will see
you or they won't see it's it's a mystery but in
[1:22:27] the seeing itself even seeing through reactivity
you're still seeing you may be reacting in part to
[1:22:35] what you're seeing but you're not reacting totally
to what you're seeing you you are primarily seen
[1:22:42] and you recognize you're seeing aspects of your
own self yeah and you know that's both beautiful
[1:22:52] and horrible because it's the totality and I'm
reacting to is right it's you know my own anger
[1:23:03] at my own complicity or yes yes and you know
that can be very useful it can be part of your
[1:23:11] intelligence to recognize oh my god what I hate in
this is is what I haven't met here and that's part
[1:23:19] of maturing and intelligence developing and and
taking a stand how beautiful I mean this precious
[1:23:27] life but when it comes from seeing yes then it's
grounded and they don't have to change for you to
[1:23:35] see or they don't have to see you for you to see
it's you are free to see and it can have profound
[1:23:45] effects on how you live your life what you
stand for what you offer to people and and also
[1:23:55] your humility at being reactive at times you know
that's it's really great that we are human beings
[1:24:03] in that human being this it can be very hardly as
it's been spoken a couple of times today and that
[1:24:09] humbling itself is then a kind of overflowing of
love and prostration to the mystery of it and to
[1:24:19] the fact that as individuals we are actually not
in control of it that's not where our choices our
[1:24:25] choice is to recognize that we can meet we can
see and and we can bear whatever is seen in love
[1:24:38] yeah I think I am able to access that love when I
when I and not even when I'm not trying to control
[1:24:47] anything you know when that story line that you
know I have I could have any power to control any
[1:24:55] of this but but that's a habit that's a better
deep old habit for me that's wisdom to see that
[1:25:03] yes as somebody was speaking about addiction when
we are addicted to the powers of the mind and so
[1:25:10] that is a huge event when you disengage from that
habit or you even recognize wow this is a habit
[1:25:17] because we get fed in something maybe it's just
adrenaline from the habit so there is a choice
[1:25:25] to be sober in that to be willing to experience
all the the craving for the old way of doing it
[1:25:36] mentally emotionally physically however and to not
move just to to be absolutely still man isn't that
[1:25:47] such a radical call for these times because
we have people out in the streets right now
[1:25:55] and you know I've been the one saying we have
to take stock we have to look within big bill
[1:26:05] and know thyself and I get this think we have to
act you know so there's another question on with
[1:26:12] the asking how we counter this still the strength
of this illness with meaning really meeting this
[1:26:19] moment where I do something is called for I'd
I just yeah Adam I agree and I think the very
[1:26:26] question how is a really good question but the
problem is when we immediately give an answer
[1:26:33] from our minds to that if that can be the question
that you can be you open to that question and then
[1:26:41] your discovery is how in fact you respond to
these times then maybe it is on the street or
[1:26:48] maybe it is in retreat who can say you don't know
that beforehand it's just your willingness to say
[1:26:54] how and in that there's an availability and
in this moment you are serving everyone who's
[1:27:03] looking at your face how did that happen well in
it happened because you raised your hand for one
[1:27:09] thing because you wanted to engage because you're
here so what a mystery that we the hell gets taken
[1:27:18] care of listen it is quite appropriate to stand
up and to demonstrate and to say no dislike we
[1:27:28] are doing with the virus - say it - injustice -
that's a virus it's infected our our human strain
[1:27:34] so yes yes and no are both really finally this
this willingness to see to give to enquire to ask
[1:27:47] to discover yeah that letting the how be humbled
in the face of the mystery is yes that's well
[1:27:59] that's right it's delicious - so big is in charge
as it is it's just a then the mind recognizes how
[1:28:15] big oh how perfect then you're the last one to
speak on this particular call this particular
[1:28:24] meeting they're relevant I'm so grateful thank
you thank you so grateful thank you Johnny
[1:28:43] well thank you found it cheese would you like to
close this out here the last few minutes well I'd
[1:28:50] like to thank you Ricky I really appreciate your
adaptability and the format and every working the
[1:28:59] board and everyone the multi-university point
employee and everyone who called in everyone
[1:29:07] who attended whether you smoke or not just the
attendance in the presence and the connection and
[1:29:15] the miracle of connection so and we're really
happy they're doing that you all thank you
[1:29:31] you