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DNA, Divinity & the Battle forOur Humanity in the AI Age

Andre Duqum
Andre Duqum
Apr 16, 2024
12 Min. Lesezeit

Gregg Braden, a five-time New York Times bestselling author and former geologist, argues that humanity faces a critical battle over what it means to be human—one being waged silently through technology and transhumanism. He defines divinity not as a religious concept but as the power within us to transcend perceived limitations, a capacity encoded in our biology and DNA. Braden challenges the standard theory of evolution as it applies to humans, proposes that our species experienced a sudden leap rather than gradual mutation, and suggests evidence exists in ancient texts, DNA patterns, and archaeological records pointing to advanced civilizations and non-human involvement in human origins. This conversation—recorded during a solar eclipse—weaves together science, spirituality, and the stakes of surrendering our biological bodies to synthetic replacement before we understand what we're losing.

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What Is the Battle for Our Humanity?

Braden frames the central conflict of our time not as political or ideological, but as existential. He describes it as an ancient battle now playing out in real time—one not fought with armies alone, but through distraction and the systematic replacement of human biology with artificial systems. "There's something deep within each of us so powerful, so precious, so sacred, so beautiful that nations will go to war with other nations to keep us distracted so that we don't know what this power is all about," Braden explains early in the conversation.

The battle operates on multiple levels. There is a battle for our thoughts—evident in media and commentary that tells us what to think. There is a battle for our beliefs—played out through educational systems, religious institutions, and textbooks that define the origin of the universe and humanity itself. But underneath these surface struggles lies a deeper contest: a battle for our divinity.

Braden introduces divinity not as a religious doctrine but as a precise, measurable capacity: the power within us to transcend perceived limitations. This is not metaphorical. He argues that divinity is the force that allows us to become greater than the challenges life presents, to move beyond fear, and to access creativity, love, and authentic expression. When divinity is suppressed or blocked, control becomes possible. When it is active, freedom becomes inevitable.

How Does Technology Threaten Human Biology?

The mechanism of the threat, in Braden's analysis, is technological replacement of biological function. There is a coordinated movement—whether explicit or emergent—to substitute human biology with synthetic alternatives: chemicals in the blood, sensors under the skin, computer chips in the brain, and artificial intelligence integrated into human decision-making. "We're about to give our humanness away to the technology before we even know what it means to be fully human," Braden warns.

This matters because the capacity for divinity—for transcending limitation, for love, for authentic creation—appears to be tied to our biological form. It is not an abstract or spiritual claim; Braden suggests it is an embodied phenomenon. The move to replace biology with synthetic systems is therefore not merely a technological upgrade; it is a fundamental erasure of human potential.

Braden discusses how technology actually atrophies our biological and cognitive capacity. When we outsource thinking to devices, when we replace physical movement with convenience, when we substitute direct sensory experience with mediated digital versions, our brains literally shrink in capacity. We lose the neural pathways that develop through struggle, problem-solving, and embodied learning. We trade long-term human potential for short-term technological convenience.

The reason this matters urgently is that we are surrendering this biological capacity before we have even discovered what it is fully capable of. Braden emphasizes: we owe it to ourselves to understand what it means to be human before we give that away forever.

What Does DNA Reveal About Our True Nature?

Braden shifts the conversation to what is hidden in human DNA itself. He proposes that DNA is not merely a code for building proteins and traits—it is a pathway to our divinity. This is not scientism or magical thinking; Braden points to measurable properties of DNA that remain mysterious within conventional scientific frameworks.

One of the great mysteries is the sheer improbability of human existence and consciousness arising through random mutation. Braden references a probability calculation: if you attempted random mutations to generate one strand of human DNA, the odds against success are one in 10 to the 400th power—a number so astronomically large that it exceeds the number of atoms in the observable universe. Such odds suggest either pure miracle, or something else was happening in the emergence of human intelligence and form.

Braden cites the work of Fred Hoyle, a renowned astronomer and astrobiologist who made similar calculations and came to a startling conclusion: the probability is so low that it would be easier to assemble a Boeing 747 by randomly throwing parts together than to create the complexity of life through mutation alone. This is not anti-science; it is science acknowledging the insufficiency of the mutation-only model to explain what we observe.

DNA, Braden suggests, carries information—not just biological instructions, but perhaps a message about our origins and our potential. It is only now, with modern sequencing and analysis, that we are beginning to read what that message might be.

What Is Wrong With the Theory of Evolution?

Braden is careful to separate evolution as a biological process from the claim that it explains human origins. "Evolution is a fact," he states clearly. Organisms change over time; species adapt. But he argues that something fundamentally different happened with humans—something that breaks the evolutionary model as typically understood.

The standard narrative describes humans as a gradual product of millions of years of random mutations and natural selection, with no qualitative breaks in the process. Braden challenges this, noting that scientists now observe something different in the fossil record and genetic data: there appears to be a sudden emergence, a leap rather than a gradual climb.

He references the work of evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins and others who have noted that the data shows slower, then suddenly rapid change—not consistent gradual evolution. Additionally, Braden points to the fact that many of the genetic switches that control development and expression have been "turned off" or suppressed in humans compared to other primates. This is not the pattern you would expect from simple mutation; it suggests deliberate modification or a crossing of species boundaries.

The phrase Braden uses repeatedly is crucial: "crossing the traditional boundaries." It is through crossing boundaries between species, disciplines, and ways of knowing that new wisdom emerges. In the case of human origins, the evidence suggests something crossed the boundary of what natural selection alone would predict.

What Were the True Origins of Humans?

Braden proposes that the conventional evolutionary narrative—while containing truth—is incomplete. He argues for an alternative understanding based on multiple lines of evidence: ancient texts, DNA patterns, archaeological anomalies, and the testimony of indigenous peoples.

According to Braden, there is evidence in ancient traditions and sacred texts of what he calls "humanity's divine ancestors"—non-human intelligences that played a role in human emergence. He does not frame this as supernatural; he treats it as a historical and biological claim about who participated in shaping human form and consciousness.

Braden references accounts found across cultures—removed from canonical Christian texts, present in other religious and indigenous traditions—that describe intelligent beings involved in the creation or modification of human beings. He argues that DNA itself contains proof of this, though he notes the evidence is hidden, overlooked, or dismissed by mainstream science because it does not fit accepted frameworks.

One of the mechanisms Braden discusses is the sudden activation or deactivation of chromosomes and genetic switches. Some of the genetic material that appears dormant in humans, he suggests, may have been deliberately switched off—or conversely, switched on—as part of a deliberate modification process. This would not show up as random mutation; it would show up as information deliberately encoded and expressed.

The implication is profound: humans are not the accidental byproduct of blind evolutionary forces, but the intentional result of contact between terrestrial and non-terrestrial intelligences. Whether this is understood through the lens of ancient astronaut theory, indigenous creation mythology, or speculative biology, Braden argues the evidence points to something more complex and purposeful than the standard narrative allows.

Is Reality Itself a Simulation?

Braden explores simulation theory—the hypothesis that reality itself may be a constructed reality, a simulation running on vast computational substrate. He treats this not as fringe speculation but as a serious framework that explains certain observable properties of reality.

One of the properties he discusses is the quantum mechanical finding that the universe appears to be fundamentally informational rather than material. Until observed or measured, quantum phenomena exist in superposition—multiple states simultaneously. When measured, they collapse into a single state. This is precisely what you would expect from a simulation: computational reality that only generates the detail and specificity required by observation, and does not compute unused information.

If reality is indeed a simulation, Braden argues, then we exist within cosmic cycles—patterns of creation and dissolution that operate at scales beyond human timescales. He references the structure of the Mayan calendar and Hindu cosmological models, which describe vast cycles of time (yugas) that match, in rough proportion, the computational cycles observable in physics.

The relevance of this to human origins is that if we live in a constructed reality, then the "architects" of that reality would have the capacity to modify life forms within it—not through supernatural magic, but through the same mechanisms by which the reality itself operates. This provides a naturalistic framework for understanding how non-human intelligences could have participated in shaping human biology.

What Evidence Exists for Advanced Ancient Civilizations?

Braden discusses anomalies in the archaeological record that point to civilizations with far more advanced technology and knowledge than is currently acknowledged by mainstream archaeology. He references:

  • The precision of ancient structures: Temples, pyramids, and stone complexes built with geometric precision that would require advanced surveying and mathematical knowledge. Some ancient constructions show 90-degree angles and alignments that do not occur randomly in nature, suggesting intentional design and measurement.
  • The Earth's magnetic field anomalies: Braden notes that the Earth's core is not what conventional geology teaches—a solid iron and nickel ball. Instead, there is evidence of a hollow or partially hollow structure, with a constant energy release from within. This is inconsistent with a simple solid planetary model.
  • Anomalies in the Earth's crust and atmosphere: There are regions and phenomena that do not fit standard geological models, suggesting either that our models are incomplete or that the Earth itself has been modified or engineered at some point in its history.
  • Hidden civilizations and lost knowledge: Braden alludes to the discovery or rediscovery of evidence of advanced cultures that existed before known recorded history. He suggests that certain regions—possibly including Antarctica—may hold archaeological evidence of these civilizations, and that geopolitical forces are concealing or controlling access to this evidence.

The pattern Braden identifies is one of systematic suppression or dismissal of evidence that would require us to revise our understanding of human history. This is not a conspiracy in the melodramatic sense; it is the natural result of institutional inertia, paradigm protection, and the human tendency to reject information that challenges foundational beliefs.

What Is the Preciousness of Being Human?

Braden emphasizes repeatedly that humans are more precious, more capable, and more sacred than we have been led to believe. The reasons for this suppression are not accidental. If humans knew what we are truly capable of—the divinity encoded in our biology, the transcendent power available through our consciousness—we would be far more difficult to control.

Fear is the primary tool of control. Divinity is the antidote to fear. When we access our capacity to transcend limitation, when we feel our connection to something greater than ourselves, when we operate from love and creativity rather than survival anxiety, we become autonomous. We become difficult to manipulate through propaganda, scarcity, or threat.

This is why, Braden argues, so much effort goes into keeping us distracted, misinformed, and afraid. It is not malice alone, though that may play a role. It is the natural result of systems of power that depend on human limitation and compliance. To maintain such systems, you must keep humans from knowing what they are.

He illustrates this through a story about musicians at the Grammy Awards who all described receiving their creative inspiration not from themselves but through themselves—from somewhere beyond their individual consciousness. This is everyday divinity. It is available to all humans. And when accessed, it bypasses the rational mind's limitations and fears.

Where to Go From Here

The stakes outlined by Braden are clear: we are at a crossroads. We can surrender our humanity to technology before we understand what we are giving up, or we can turn and face the fundamental questions of human nature and origin with courage and honesty.

The work ahead requires crossing traditional boundaries—between science and spirituality, between the materialist worldview and the indigenous/sacred understanding, between dogma and genuine inquiry. It requires us to ask uncomfortable questions about our origins, our nature, and our potential. And it requires us to protect our biological bodies and our capacity for divinity from technologies designed to replace or override them.

Braden's invitation is not to passive belief, but to active investigation: to study the evidence, to engage with ancient wisdom traditions, to examine our own direct experience of transcendence and divinity, and to make informed choices about what we surrender and what we protect. The future of humanity, in this framing, depends on the choices we make in the present about what it means to be human.

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[0:00] There's a battle playing out for our

[0:02] very humanness. It sets the context for

[0:06] every event that is unfolding in our

[0:08] world. There's something deep within

[0:11] each of us so powerful, so precious that

[0:14] nations will go to war with other

[0:16] nations to keep us distracted. There is

[0:19] a movement to replace our bodies with

[0:22] synthetics, chemicals in the blood,

[0:24] sensors under the skin, computer chips

[0:25] in the brain, artificial intelligence.

[0:27] It steals from us our ability to access

[0:30] this part of us. We're about to give our

[0:32] humanness away to the technology before

[0:34] we even know what it means to be fully

[0:36] human. And we are more than we've been

[0:38] led to believe. So, I want to be very

[0:41] clear. Evolution is a fact. It breaks

[0:43] down when it comes to humans. Something

[0:45] happened. Scientists now know this, but

[0:48] they don't know what to do with what

[0:50] they have found. The way that it

[0:51] happened is that it's by crossing the

[0:54] traditional boundaries that we gain new

[0:56] wisdom that leads us beyond the boxes.

[0:59] We owe it to ourselves to find out who

[1:02] we are and what it means to be human

[1:03] before we give it away forever. Here's

[1:05] the beauty.

[1:12] Hey everyone, welcome back to Know

[1:14] Thyself. Today we have the pleasure and

[1:16] honor and privilege to sit down with a

[1:18] five-time New York Times bestselling

[1:20] author, a former geologist by degree and

[1:24] somebody who is an international

[1:26] educator in human potential and social

[1:30] politics and science. And he's one of

[1:32] the most prominent pivotal thought

[1:35] leaders I personally believe for giving

[1:38] context of where we're currently at

[1:39] right now um in terms of humanity, where

[1:42] we come from, where we're going. And

[1:43] this conversation is going to be filled

[1:45] with reflections on transhumanism.

[1:48] Uh the fight for our own divinity and

[1:51] humanity.

[1:53] Uh we're going to be exploring the

[1:55] possibility of where we came from,

[1:56] ancient civilizations, and much much

[1:58] more. So Greg Braden, thank you so much

[2:00] for being here.

[2:01] Andre, I am so excited to be with you.

[2:02] This first time we have worked together.

[2:05] First time I've had the privilege of

[2:06] working with you. This is completely

[2:08] unscripted. I have no idea where we're

[2:10] going to go. And that's what makes it so

[2:11] exciting. And if I can say this, it's a

[2:13] very auspicious day. The eclipse uh

[2:16] happened on my drive over and uh set the

[2:19] tone for everything we're going to do

[2:20] today. So, thank you for the invitation.

[2:22] And my brother, this is a dance. I'm

[2:24] going to follow your lead.

[2:25] Yeah, absolutely. Well, let's follow the

[2:27] powerful energy of the solar eclipse

[2:29] today. And uh you know I want to start

[2:32] out with this reflection and and hear

[2:35] your thoughts on what is this battle for

[2:36] our humanity and our humanness that is

[2:39] such an important reflection as the

[2:41] inevitable advent and rise of AGI and

[2:44] merging of technology with human biology

[2:47] is upon us and is happening day by day

[2:49] now new things are unfolding. Uh I would

[2:51] love for you to set the context of what

[2:53] that battle is. You know, it's a perfect

[2:55] place to begin because truly it is the

[2:58] umbrella under which every event bar

[3:01] none in our lives and our world is

[3:04] unfolding.

[3:05] There there's a battle. It's an ancient

[3:08] battle. Some people would frame it as a

[3:10] battle between good and evil or light

[3:13] and dark originally perceived as good

[3:16] and evil. Ultimately, light and dark are

[3:18] are simply energies until we give them

[3:21] the significance that we give to them.

[3:23] But there isn't an ancient battle

[3:26] playing out. It's not an obsolete

[3:28] battle. It's playing out before our very

[3:30] eyes today. And it sets the context for

[3:34] every event that is unfolding in our

[3:36] world. And so this is a perfect place to

[3:38] begin. We all know there's a battle for

[3:42] our thoughts. That's obvious. If you

[3:44] watch any network news, uh we've got

[3:48] commentators trying to tell us what to

[3:50] think and how to think and how to

[3:52] perceive the events in in our lives.

[3:55] Most people know that there's a battle

[3:56] for our beliefs. It's been playing out

[3:58] for a while in mainstream classrooms,

[4:01] mainstream textbooks, for example. How

[4:04] did the universe began? Is it a

[4:06] conscious and intelligent beginning or

[4:08] is it an inert dead random process that

[4:11] that we're living in? How did we begin?

[4:14] And we'll talk about this. Are we the

[4:15] product of random mutations and lucky

[4:18] biology as u as we're led to believe? Is

[4:21] there something else going on there?

[4:24] Those things are important, but they're

[4:25] all part of an even deeper battle. There

[4:28] is a battle for our very humanness that

[4:32] is unfolding right now. And that the

[4:35] humanness is the vehicle that allows an

[4:39] even deeper experience, Andre. And that

[4:42] experience for any of our viewers that

[4:44] may wonder how relevant this

[4:46] conversation really is. There's

[4:48] something deep within each of us that is

[4:52] so powerful, so precious,

[4:57] so sacred, so beautiful

[4:59] that nations will go to war with other

[5:02] nations to keep us distracted

[5:05] so that we don't know what this power is

[5:09] all about. Armies will defeat armies.

[5:12] Pandemics will be unleashed.

[5:15] We will see the collapse of societies.

[5:18] We will see the collapse of financial

[5:20] systems. All in an effort to keep us

[5:22] distracted

[5:24] from the sacredness of this power within

[5:27] us. So I'm I'm going to use a word and

[5:29] then we'll define it. It is the power of

[5:32] human divinity that is only possible

[5:35] through the biological body. And this is

[5:38] one of the reasons there's such a a move

[5:40] to replace our biology with synthetics

[5:43] and artificial intelligence. So the word

[5:45] is is divinity. It is divine. Our divine

[5:49] nature. Now when I use that word in

[5:52] public audiences, many people assume it

[5:55] has something to do with religion. And I

[5:57] can see why because there are schools

[5:59] for divinity where religion is is

[6:02] taught. But if you look at the

[6:04] definition of divinity, it it it's a

[6:07] deceptively simple definition. And it

[6:10] simply says that divinity is the power

[6:14] within us to transcend perceived

[6:17] limitations.

[6:19] And that's it. So I can see where

[6:22] religion would be wrapped around that

[6:24] concept. The the idea to transcend

[6:27] perceived limitations. I'm going to

[6:28] break this down just just a little bit.

[6:31] The idea of transcendence, it means not

[6:33] just to survive, but to become greater

[6:36] than, to become more than whatever it is

[6:39] that that life brings to our doorstep,

[6:42] the challenge that life brings to our

[6:43] doorstep. So, our ability to transcend

[6:47] perceived limitations. They may not even

[6:50] be real. They are the limitations that

[6:53] we have placed upon ourselves through

[6:55] our culture and our society,

[6:58] through our textbooks, through false

[7:00] science, through our culture, uh again

[7:03] our religion, but they may not even be

[7:06] real. So our divinity is the ability to

[7:09] become more than the worst challenges

[7:11] that life brings to our our doorstep.

[7:14] The reason it is such a powerful force

[7:17] within us is because through our

[7:19] divinity among the things we transcend

[7:22] is fear. Divinity is what empowers us to

[7:26] transcend our own fears. If we as

[7:29] individuals and as a society are not

[7:33] kept in fear, we are very very difficult

[7:35] to control because without the fear we

[7:39] have the freedom to love, create,

[7:42] innovate, express. These are all

[7:44] features of of divinity. I just want to

[7:47] give some examples of of what divinity

[7:50] is all about because for for some people

[7:52] it's this this esoteric concept,

[7:57] everyday divinity. We express it every

[7:58] day in our lives. I had the opportunity

[8:01] uh 2016 went to the the Grammy music

[8:04] awards and the they held them in New

[8:06] York that year. My wife is a voting

[8:09] member in the the Grammys and she

[8:12] invited me and I said yes.

[8:14] Very kind of her. It was very kind and

[8:16] um and I took advantage of the

[8:18] opportunity and and I met amazing people

[8:21] there and every opportunity I had I

[8:23] would ask the the musicians and the

[8:25] producers I would say when you wrote

[8:27] this amazing piece of music or when the

[8:31] the words for this song came through,

[8:34] can you tell me

[8:36] where did they come from? And every one

[8:38] of them Andre everyone to the teeth gave

[8:40] me the same answer. Everyone said it did

[8:43] not come from me. It came through me

[8:47] from somewhere else. Every one of them

[8:50] said they had to find a way to get out

[8:52] of the way to allow this deep

[8:56] inspiration to come through them. That

[8:58] is a familiar facet of of divinity.

[9:01] Artists say the same thing. If you talk

[9:03] to an artist, you know, who's done an

[9:04] amazing or a sculpture uh or a poet, I

[9:07] mean, they say the same thing. As a

[9:09] writer,

[9:10] uh, I have had this experience where I

[9:13] don't know what I'm going to write and I

[9:15] sit down and give myself the opportunity

[9:17] of either a blank piece of paper or now

[9:19] it's a blank computer screen and become

[9:22] very empty so that I can become very

[9:24] full of whatever it is that's going to

[9:26] come through. These are are expressions

[9:29] of of divinity. Divinity is a part of

[9:32] us. Our our divinity is the part of us

[9:34] that's ancient. It's timeless. It's

[9:36] ageless.

[9:37] Uh it is where our our creativity, our

[9:41] intuition, our imagination comes from

[9:43] and it's what sets us apart from every

[9:45] other form of life. And as we get in

[9:48] deeper into the biology of how it works,

[9:51] we can only access our divinity through

[9:55] our bodies, through the DNA antenna of

[10:00] our bodies and the cellular structure of

[10:01] our bodies. There is a movement to

[10:05] replace our bodies. The transhuman

[10:07] movement to replace our bodies with

[10:10] synthetics,

[10:12] with chemicals in the blood, sensors

[10:14] under the skin, computer chips in the

[10:15] brain, artificial intelligence,

[10:18] and by virtue of doing so, it steals

[10:23] from us our ability to access this part

[10:25] of us, our divinity. So what we're

[10:28] seeing playing out in the world today,

[10:29] whether you're looking at Ukraine and

[10:31] Russia and the role of America or you're

[10:34] looking at the Middle East, you're

[10:35] looking at Israel and the Palestinian

[10:38] uh tragedy that is the horrors that are

[10:41] are happening there and you look at

[10:43] everything happening all around that.

[10:46] People tend to think these are isolated

[10:48] spontaneous events and people say to me,

[10:50] "Wow, you know, isn't it amazing all

[10:52] these things are happening right now?"

[10:55] They're happening now because the battle

[10:58] for our divinity has intensified to such

[11:00] a degree uh that these are the events

[11:04] that it takes to keep us from that inner

[11:07] focus. Now, I'm not saying that

[11:09] everyone, every politician, every leader

[11:11] of every nation certainly is aware of

[11:13] what I'm saying. Many of them are pawns

[11:16] in this ancient battle of good and evil,

[11:18] of of light and dark. They don't even

[11:20] know that they're pawns because they're

[11:22] so wrapped up in the bubble of the level

[11:25] that they are playing this this very

[11:29] dark game within. But when you begin to

[11:32] step back and you look at the big

[11:34] picture,

[11:36] uh the evidence supports the story and

[11:39] it's very clear that this this battle is

[11:41] playing out. And the interesting thing

[11:45] to me when when you use the term battle,

[11:48] it's probably no longer even a good word

[11:51] because in battle

[11:53] it implies conflict.

[11:56] I believe that we now are at a point in

[11:59] our lives and our consciousness where we

[12:02] have the ability and the awareness to

[12:06] transcend. This is our divinity.

[12:08] If you don't engage in the battle, if

[12:11] you transcend the battle, then that is

[12:14] how not win but triumph. We when we talk

[12:18] about winning and losing, we're stuck in

[12:20] that old paradigm. We don't want to win

[12:22] or lose. We want to triumph to become

[12:24] more than. And the way that we do this

[12:26] is so interesting to me, is by living

[12:29] the best version of our lives. living

[12:31] the best version of ourselves, fully

[12:34] expressing perhaps for the first time in

[12:36] human history what it actually means to

[12:38] be human. And Andre, what the science is

[12:41] telling us is we don't even know what it

[12:43] means to be fully human because we've

[12:45] never expressed the depth and the

[12:48] breadth of our complete humanness. So as

[12:52] we move through this time in history,

[12:54] there are some that allow themselves to

[12:56] to become engaged in the distractions

[12:59] and the diversions and others who are

[13:02] recognizing it's not that we discount

[13:05] what's happening and not that we say

[13:06] it's not important. It's all important.

[13:09] But there is uh a science, there is a

[13:12] skill and there is an art to rising

[13:14] above

[13:16] living becoming the best version of

[13:17] ourselves. And in that way doing just

[13:20] what the definition of divinity says

[13:22] transcend

[13:24] our perceived limitations. So I'd like

[13:28] to to say this to set the context.

[13:30] everything we're seeing in our lives

[13:31] today, even the things that so many my

[13:35] friends, the social justice things that

[13:36] that are important and they're really

[13:39] wrapped up in

[13:41] uh

[13:43] for example in the United States, the

[13:45] pronoun conversation, what pronouns are

[13:48] we using, the transgender conversation,

[13:50] abortion conversation,

[13:52] gay rights conversation, all these are

[13:55] important, but if you look closely at

[13:56] what's happening, the races, black

[13:58] against white, Christian against Muslim,

[14:01] um, Jew against Muslim, the rich against

[14:04] the poor. These are all really important

[14:07] conversations that go right to the gut,

[14:10] man. They cut right to the core of our

[14:12] most primal instincts. And if we don't

[14:15] know how we are being engaged, then we

[14:19] will respond on that primal level.

[14:22] They're important conversations. They

[14:24] have been skillfully weaponized to

[14:26] divide us and keep us separate from one

[14:29] another to break the social bonds that

[14:33] have always kept families and

[14:35] communities and societies and nations

[14:37] together. There's an intentional effort

[14:40] to break those bonds. And sadly, it it

[14:42] appears to be working well to some

[14:44] degree because we're allowing it. We're

[14:47] allowing ourselves to be played to be

[14:50] pawns in this ancient game. So the

[14:53] conversations are important and I don't

[14:55] want to diminish the significance of

[14:57] those conversations. It's also important

[14:59] to recognize that the topics have been

[15:02] weaponized and rather than having

[15:05] conversations in kindness

[15:08] to become closer as brothers and sisters

[15:11] in the global family. The differences

[15:14] that we used to celebrate as our

[15:16] strength have now become the differences

[15:19] that are being used, being weaponized to

[15:22] divide us uh and keep us in our fear.

[15:27] And it is divinity that allows us to

[15:30] transcend that fear. So when you think

[15:33] about this, all of a sudden it becomes

[15:34] really clear why

[15:37] a dark power would want to keep us in

[15:41] that fear. Because we become powerless

[15:44] victims

[15:46] in that fear and as victims we need a

[15:48] savior and technology is now being

[15:52] touted as our savior. We're being told

[15:55] that we are flawed as humans by virtue

[15:59] of our existence. Emotion is one of our

[16:01] flaws. Um

[16:04] the ability to the inability to to make

[16:08] cleared logical decisions without having

[16:10] emotion. Empathy is considered to be a

[16:13] flaw

[16:14] by transhumanists.

[16:17] Sickness, illness, death is considered

[16:19] to be a flaw by transhumanists. And

[16:24] we are programming our young people to

[16:26] believe that they are broken and flawed

[16:28] from the time of birth and that they are

[16:30] victims

[16:32] of something beyond their control. And

[16:35] if you're a victim, you need a savior.

[16:37] And the savior, we're being told, is

[16:39] technology. computer chips in the brain,

[16:41] artificial intelligence, sensors under

[16:44] the skin, AI that knows us better than

[16:47] we know ourselves. And uh when you begin

[16:50] to understand the the big picture, and

[16:53] I'm covering a lot of ground here

[16:54] intentionally because we'll tie into

[16:55] this. When you begin to understand the

[16:58] big picture, all of a sudden the power

[17:00] of human divinity

[17:02] becomes something more than a casual

[17:05] academic peripheral conversation. that's

[17:07] front and center for everything that's

[17:10] happening in our lives today. And the

[17:12] beauty is you don't have to know that

[17:14] that you can simply live the best

[17:17] version of yourself and transcend

[17:20] the efforts to keep us small and

[17:24] separate and insignificant. So does that

[17:26] make sense if I if I say it that way?

[17:27] Absolutely.

[17:28] It's a long answer to a short question.

[17:29] I think it's important to really set the

[17:31] stage because not everybody also

[17:33] understands to the degree in which this

[17:35] is currently transpiring in in society

[17:37] and this fight for our own humanity and

[17:39] with this transhuman movement and the

[17:42] exponential rise of various technologies

[17:44] from food engineering to crisper

[17:46] technology, gene editing, AI, there is

[17:49] both incredible promise that these

[17:50] technologies brings and in solving a lot

[17:53] of issues that um is incredible and yet

[17:55] at the same time you spoke to the part

[17:57] as we continue to merge

[17:59] technology in our human biology, there's

[18:01] aspects of ourselves that we start to

[18:03] lose access to that start to atrophy

[18:05] within ourselves. And so, I'd love for

[18:06] you to set the stage too of because not

[18:08] everybody realizes where we're currently

[18:10] at in terms of this

[18:12] and uh and the and the dangers and the

[18:15] promise because there's both. I mean,

[18:16] just this past month, we saw the first

[18:18] Neurolink patient successfully be able

[18:20] to control computer mouse with his with

[18:22] his brain and, you know, is a

[18:24] quadripollegic and and there's

[18:25] incredible things for that as well. You

[18:27] know, this is part of a very old

[18:29] conversation. I'm uh some of our

[18:31] listeners may be familiar with my work,

[18:32] some not. I'm I'm a scientist. I'm a

[18:34] degreed uh earth scientist, my first

[18:36] degree, and I worked in the corporations

[18:38] as a problem solver from 1979 until the

[18:42] the early 1990s.

[18:44] And so I had the o and I say this

[18:46] because I had the opportunity to work

[18:48] alongside brilliant scientists. I mean,

[18:50] physicists, mathematicians, engineers,

[18:53] just amazing amazing people and see

[18:56] amazing technology. And that'll be

[18:58] important in our conversation here in in

[19:00] just a moment. But there was a part of

[19:03] this conversation that would typically

[19:05] happen around the coffee machine and the

[19:07] drinking fountain and the break room

[19:10] where the scientists and the engineers

[19:12] would get together and and the

[19:14] conversation would typically go like

[19:16] this.

[19:17] There was one group that always say

[19:20] because we can do these things because

[19:24] we've had the insight to develop these

[19:27] extraordinary technologies that gives us

[19:30] the right to use them. That gives us the

[19:32] right to implement them. If if we were

[19:35] never meant to implement them, we never

[19:37] would have figured it out. And during

[19:40] the cold war years when this was around

[19:43] weapons technology, this is a very

[19:45] important conversation. There's another

[19:47] school of thought, another group of

[19:48] scientists say, "Oh, hold on. You know,

[19:50] not so fast. Just because we can doesn't

[19:53] mean we should. Just because we can do

[19:56] these things, maybe we ought to reel it

[19:58] in a little bit and and think about the

[20:01] the moral implications or or what it

[20:04] means to to our values in in society.

[20:07] That conversation has never been

[20:09] resolved. It's an ongoing conversation

[20:11] right now. So on it's like the gas and

[20:13] the brakes on on the one hand we are

[20:15] going fullborn

[20:17] exploring the deepest mysteries of of

[20:20] the universe and of life itself and now

[20:23] we have the ability as some people say

[20:25] to hack the physics of the universe and

[20:28] to hack the the biology of of human life

[20:30] or or all life.

[20:33] And once you do that the proverbial

[20:36] genie is out of the bottle. You you're

[20:38] never going to go back once you you

[20:40] develop it. you're never going to

[20:41] undevelop it. Probably not going to sit

[20:44] it on a shelf somewhere. You're going to

[20:45] use it and implement it some way. So the

[20:49] other piece of this is what I saw very

[20:51] quickly is technology isn't good or bad

[20:53] or right or wrong. It's the thinking

[20:56] that underlies the society when the

[20:59] technology is being developed.

[21:01] During World War II and the Cold War

[21:03] years, we poured tremendous amounts of

[21:06] energy and human human power, human

[21:10] intellect and money and technology and

[21:13] into pushing the boundaries of what we

[21:15] know

[21:17] and we discovered beautiful things like

[21:19] how to split the atom. Unfortunately, it

[21:21] was within the context of wartime that

[21:24] that application was used for a weapon

[21:27] when we all know there's so many

[21:28] beautiful things that can come from

[21:30] that. And the same is happening with

[21:32] with transhumanism. There are places and

[21:35] you just mentioned one. Elon Musk has a

[21:37] company uh called Neurolink and it's

[21:39] it's actually been around for a while

[21:41] and they are the first to develop the

[21:44] the computer chip. It's not actually in

[21:46] the brain. It's interesting. It sits in

[21:48] a space above the brain and below the

[21:52] bone and there's a little space in there

[21:56] and uh there are 128 microfibers that go

[22:01] down into the neoortex

[22:03] and they pick up information. There's

[22:05] sensors pick up information from the

[22:07] neurons, bring it back to the chip, and

[22:09] the chip then processes it and sends it

[22:12] through essentially a Bluetooth type

[22:14] technology to to the computer with no no

[22:16] wires. That can be a beautiful thing for

[22:20] servicemen and women who have lost arms

[22:23] and legs and in the battlefields halfway

[22:27] around the world, Afghanistan, Iraq, um

[22:31] to give a man or woman the ability to

[22:34] hold their babies in their arms once

[22:36] again with their prosthetics or to brush

[22:38] their own teeth or comb their own hair

[22:39] or feed themselves. But what a

[22:41] beautiful, beautiful thing. And and

[22:44] that's one of the good things that can

[22:46] come from all of this. There are now

[22:49] proposals on the table uh governmental

[22:53] agencies proposing by the year 2030 that

[22:56] all newborns be implanted with a

[22:59] computer chip in the brain. They say to

[23:02] give them the edge in business and in in

[23:06] technology and to be able to compete

[23:08] successfully in life. And when I say

[23:12] this to a live audience, I mean, I can

[23:13] see people's eyes. I say, you know, not

[23:15] my babies. We we don't want this. So,

[23:18] there's there's a part of us, this is

[23:20] the generation, Andre, it's it's not

[23:22] going to drag on forever. We're at this

[23:24] pivotal point where

[23:28] the technology

[23:31] is at this stage

[23:34] where we are now making a decision. And

[23:37] I'm fascinated by this because it's

[23:38] never happened before. We now have the

[23:41] ability to make decisions that will not

[23:44] change so much the world around us but

[23:47] the world within us forever in ways that

[23:50] can never be reversed.

[23:53] This goes all the way down to the

[23:55] genetic level. And when we define human

[23:59] through a very specific quality of DNA,

[24:02] we now have on the table proposals for

[24:06] medications, for um different kinds of

[24:10] medical applications

[24:12] that will forever change who we are

[24:15] genetically. And we don't even know what

[24:17] that means. We don't even know what it

[24:19] means to be human. We're about to give

[24:21] our humanness away to the technology

[24:23] before we even know what it means to be

[24:25] fully human.

[24:26] I personally, I'm not saying it's right,

[24:28] wrong, good or bad. I have my own my own

[24:29] personal feelings, but my sense is we

[24:32] need, we owe it to ourselves as a

[24:34] species to find out who we are and what

[24:37] it means to be human before we give it

[24:39] away forever. Here's the beauty. I think

[24:43] when we discover

[24:45] the deep truth of what it means to be

[24:47] human and the power within a human cell

[24:50] and within our own divinity, we will

[24:53] feel less need and less drawn to bring

[24:56] that external technology into our bodies

[24:59] because we are the technology.

[25:01] Literally, this is why I said what I

[25:04] said just a moment ago when I was in the

[25:05] industry and I I worked on a project

[25:08] called uh SDI, Star Wars Defense

[25:10] Initiative.

[25:12] It was back in the 1980s and even then

[25:15] we had the most amazing laser systems

[25:18] and radar systems and communication

[25:20] systems and computer systems and who

[25:23] knows you know where they are now.

[25:24] They've come so much further.

[25:27] But here's the thing. As advanced as

[25:29] every one of them were, I have never to

[25:32] this day I've never seen a technology

[25:35] developed outside of our bodies that

[25:37] doesn't mimic what we already do in some

[25:41] capacity within the cells and the

[25:43] systems of our bodies. Except we do it

[25:45] better. We do it better. And so that's a

[25:49] big statement. Let me let me just share

[25:51] what I mean by that.

[25:53] Let's take computer chips in the brain.

[25:56] when I'm with a a live audience and a

[25:59] lot of young people come to our programs

[26:01] and they've been taught to worship the

[26:03] computers and the AI and computer chips

[26:06] are God. I mean literally that's that's

[26:08] what they've been taught.

[26:10] And when I say to a young person and I I

[26:14] have a really very honest conversation,

[26:16] you know, computer chips are fast.

[26:18] Absolutely. They're fast. Efficient.

[26:20] Totally. I mean, I'm with you on that. I

[26:22] was a senior computer systems designer

[26:24] for a company called Martin Marietta

[26:26] Defense Systems and I was with the

[26:29] computers day and night and they are

[26:30] impressive machines. So I'm I'm not

[26:34] denigrating that in any way. But here's

[26:36] the thing, a computer chip will always

[26:39] be limited in its function by the

[26:41] physics of the stuff it's made of. So

[26:44] the atoms of silicon for example,

[26:47] the space between those atoms only

[26:50] allows information to travel so fast

[26:54] between that space. And once that limit

[26:57] is reached, it can't be scaled. So that

[27:01] is the the upper limit. That is the

[27:04] they've reached the capacity for that

[27:06] computer chip. Now you look at a human

[27:09] neuron and you say well what is the the

[27:12] upper limit on the human neuron and the

[27:15] answer is we don't know and here's the

[27:17] reason this is so beautiful because

[27:19] every time we think we reach the

[27:22] capacity of a neuron to hold or transmit

[27:26] information.

[27:27] What happens is that neuron adapts

[27:31] and it morphs. It shifts. it changes to

[27:34] accommodate the greater capacity that

[27:36] we're asking it to do. We don't know

[27:39] what the top end is because every time

[27:41] we reach it, we exceed it. That's part

[27:44] of our humanness. And and when young

[27:47] people begin to understand that we don't

[27:49] have any chips that that can do anything

[27:51] to that degree and that's just one

[27:53] example. I mean, the immune system is is

[27:55] another example. We'll probably have a

[27:56] whole conversation on on the immune

[27:58] system and what that means.

[28:00] So the human body, the average human

[28:05] body has about 50 trillion cells in the

[28:07] body, give or take, whatever average is.

[28:11] Every one of those cells

[28:13] is has an electrical potential. It's

[28:15] about 07 volts per cell. And you say,

[28:19] well, that's, you know, it's a pretty

[28:20] small potential. And I agree, but you do

[28:22] the math. 50 trillion times 07 volts of

[28:26] electrical potential. Now you're talking

[28:28] about over three billion volts of

[28:30] electrical potential. What would it mean

[28:32] if we could harness that and then apply

[28:34] that to our healing or to our intuition

[28:36] or to the regeneration of the cells in

[28:39] our bodies? But it doesn't stop there

[28:41] because every every cell in our body, it

[28:43] it functions as a transistor. It

[28:45] functions as a resistor. It functions as

[28:48] a capacitor. It stores and releases

[28:50] information. It is a photon generator.

[28:53] We're sending light and light is

[28:55] information. So, we're sending light

[28:57] into the field around us and we're

[28:59] receiving light from the sun and from

[29:01] other individuals. We are photon

[29:03] receivers. Every cell stores information

[29:06] and retrieves it just like we do on a

[29:08] chip. And here young people love this.

[29:11] There's a technology out there called

[29:12] blockchain technology. That is the

[29:14] foundation for Bitcoin and lot of

[29:17] digital, you know, digital finance.

[29:20] Where did the idea for blockchain come

[29:22] from? Blockchain technology and

[29:25] computers actually mimics the way that

[29:28] DNA stores information in the cells.

[29:32] The information of the blockchain is

[29:33] immutable. Once it's there, it's there

[29:35] forever. It's transparent. If you know

[29:36] how to read it, anybody can read it. Uh

[29:39] it it can't be hacked. It is secure. And

[29:42] that's exactly why blockchain is so

[29:44] powerful with digital currencies. That's

[29:46] the way we store information in in the

[29:48] human body. And I could go on. The point

[29:50] is all of the technology in the world

[29:52] around us to some degree it's mimicking

[29:56] what we already do within our bodies

[29:59] except we do it better.

[30:02] Can I just share a short story?

[30:03] Absolutely. About this.

[30:07] 1990 I was um I was hiking through a

[30:12] remote area in northwestern New Mexico,

[30:14] Choco Canyon, in preparation to lead a

[30:16] group. I was doing a reconnaissance trip

[30:19] and I was hiking on a remote trail and

[30:22] there was a a native man by himself who

[30:26] was hiking in the opposite direction and

[30:27] he stopped and and we talked for a few

[30:30] moments and he began to tell me a story

[30:34] and the story is pertinent to this

[30:35] conversation. He said a long time ago

[30:39] the people of the earth remembered who

[30:41] they were and they lived much closer to

[30:45] the earth. They were much happier of

[30:46] course and he says something happened

[30:49] and even the elders don't know what it

[30:51] was but people of the earth began to

[30:53] forget who they are but they so long for

[30:57] the deep connection that they had

[30:59] between themselves and the forces of

[31:01] nature and the cosmos and the earth

[31:02] under their feet. They so long for that

[31:05] connection that they began to build in

[31:08] the world outside of them reminders of

[31:13] what that connection meant in the world

[31:15] inside of them. And he said, "We live in

[31:18] that world today. We long for that

[31:22] connection. We miss ourselves, our true

[31:25] potential." And he said, "We'll keep

[31:28] building stuff. will clutter our world

[31:31] with gadgets and machines and devices

[31:34] that continue to mimic and reflect back

[31:36] to us who we are until one day we wake

[31:40] up and we say, "Oh my god, that's us."

[31:44] And then we will let the external

[31:47] technology go because we will have

[31:49] remembered to awaken our inner

[31:51] technology.

[31:53] The world becomes more sophisticated

[31:56] because we've awakened yet it looks

[31:58] simpler because the external clutter

[32:01] goes away. And that man remains a friend

[32:05] today in one of the PBLO in northern New

[32:07] Mexico.

[32:08] But I think his story and from his

[32:11] perspective uh it gives us a deep

[32:14] insight maybe into why we are where we

[32:19] are in the world today. We we are

[32:21] reaching this convergence point. We can

[32:23] all feel it. It's like a rubber band.

[32:25] It's just stretched so far. Something's

[32:27] going to give. And in probably many

[32:31] different ways, many things are going to

[32:33] give because it's unsustainable.

[32:36] But part of that is we're beginning to

[32:38] come back to ourselves

[32:40] and to understand who we are and what

[32:43] our potential really is. And that we

[32:48] we are more than the machines that we

[32:50] have built, more than the AI, more than

[32:54] the computer chips. And so this is a

[32:56] decision now that we have to make as a

[32:58] society. Are we willing to give

[33:00] ourselves away to the efficiency and the

[33:02] speed of a computer chip at the expense

[33:05] of losing the power of human emotion, of

[33:09] losing our ability to have empathy and

[33:12] sympathy and compassion for another

[33:15] being? Are we willing to trade those

[33:17] things in for efficiency and speed? Uh,

[33:21] and that's a question we have to answer

[33:23] as a society. And it's a question that

[33:25] the transhumanist would say yes in order

[33:28] to increase longevity potentially

[33:30] towards immortality, enhance cognitive

[33:33] capacities, that these things such as

[33:36] human emotion and a lot of these things

[33:37] that we're speaking to are worth giving

[33:39] up, which is a is a scary thought. I

[33:42] want you to dive, if you will, a little

[33:44] bit deeper into how our DNA is

[33:46] spiritually linked to us. Sure. and how

[33:49] the these chips and and tinkering with

[33:51] the DNA in in many ways can lessen our

[33:55] connection to the in information pathway

[33:57] to our divinity.

[33:59] We're at this this dangerous place in

[34:02] technology where we know just enough to

[34:04] mess things up. We we can edit and hack

[34:09] human DNA. What we don't know, Andre, is

[34:12] we don't know the implications of what

[34:15] we're doing because science and

[34:18] scientists

[34:19] have yet to fully understand what it

[34:22] means to be human

[34:24] and one of the places where I think this

[34:27] is coming to light the quickest and this

[34:29] is how science will learn. Science

[34:30] eventually will have if science is to

[34:33] rem remain valid, science has to come to

[34:36] terms with the fact that there is

[34:38] something beyond the human body

[34:42] uh that is not being accounted for in

[34:44] the scientific models. I'll just say I

[34:47] um I grew up in northern Missouri

[34:50] and when I started school I had the

[34:53] opportunity to see Albert Einstein's

[34:55] brain

[34:56] when he died they took his brain from

[34:59] his body and they preserved it in um

[35:02] University of Kansas and they thin

[35:04] sliced it to see what made his brain so

[35:07] different from everyone else. what set

[35:10] him apart from everyone else. And what

[35:11] they found was it looked pretty much

[35:13] like anyone else's brain with one

[35:15] exception. His brain had way more folds.

[35:20] When you take all those folds and you

[35:24] stretch them out, it means he had more

[35:26] surface area to his brain. And that

[35:30] surface area is more neurons.

[35:34] Neurons we now know are essentially

[35:37] biological antenna.

[35:41] We don't store memories in our brains.

[35:44] We don't store memories of our loved

[35:47] ones and the neurons in our brain.

[35:50] The neurons are the antenna that tune to

[35:55] a very specific place, a vibratory space

[35:59] in the field that scientists now know

[36:03] connects all things. 2012, the

[36:06] scientists at CERN, the superconducting

[36:08] super collider in in Geneva,

[36:10] Switzerland, they announced, "Yes, there

[36:12] is a field that underlies all

[36:14] existence." esoterically we had known

[36:17] that and talked about and everybody said

[36:18] well yeah sure there's a field but the

[36:20] scientific community didn't acknowledge

[36:22] that in 2012 that that wasn't that long

[36:24] ago. So there's a field it is a um

[36:30] a subtle energy field and information is

[36:34] stored in that field. Our neurons

[36:38] are the antenna that tune to very

[36:40] specific places in that field. DNA does

[36:44] the same thing. So, for example, when we

[36:47] want to learn something new, if you're

[36:48] trying to learn a foreign language or

[36:50] I'm I'm a musician, you're a musician.

[36:52] We're trying to learn a a piece of

[36:54] music, you know, and we're trying to

[36:56] mimic what somebody else does. And the

[36:57] first few times you do it, you go

[36:59] through the motions and it feels awkward

[37:00] or you're speaking a foreign language

[37:03] and you're saying syllables that just

[37:05] sound weird. All of a sudden, you wake

[37:07] up one morning and man, you're thinking

[37:09] in Spanish, you know, you're thinking in

[37:11] French or all of a sudden you wake up

[37:12] one morning and you're playing like

[37:14] Steve Vi, my hero on the guitar, and

[37:18] people say, "What happened in in that

[37:21] time?" Well,

[37:22] this is fascinating to me. If you watch

[37:24] the timelapse photographs of neurons

[37:27] trying to connect, neurons are very

[37:29] social cells. They want to hook up and

[37:31] they're looking for another neuron to

[37:33] hook up with. That doesn't happen

[37:35] instantly. It takes about 72 hours,

[37:38] about 3 days for the the dendrites to to

[37:42] connect and find others. So here's

[37:44] what's actually happening. It is the act

[37:46] the act of you or me or anyone watching

[37:48] this to learn something new, to become

[37:52] something more, to better ourselves, to

[37:56] become something more in the next moment

[37:58] than we were in the last moment. That

[38:00] drive, that compulsion that we feel is

[38:04] the trigger. It's the command for the

[38:08] neurons

[38:09] to find other neurons to create the

[38:13] antenna that tunes to the place in the

[38:15] field that holds what we're asking

[38:17] ourselves to master. Does that make

[38:20] sense if I say it that way? It's it's

[38:22] it's amazing to see this happen. And and

[38:25] this is why a lot of young people today,

[38:28] new new generations,

[38:30] their parents will say, "Man, my kids,

[38:32] you know, they're having a hard time

[38:33] learning because things don't come

[38:35] quickly to them. They want to learn

[38:37] right now." And and what I say to them

[38:40] is stay with it and allow the process.

[38:44] Give them three days. Ask them to stay

[38:46] with it for three days and see if it

[38:47] doesn't get better. And it does. Whether

[38:49] you're trying to learn math, science,

[38:51] art, music, a language, whatever it is.

[38:54] So this is important. We need our

[38:57] biology to connect to the information in

[39:01] the field. Divinity is part of that

[39:04] information.

[39:06] Our intuition, our creativity, what some

[39:08] people call your higher self. When

[39:10] you're praying or when you're

[39:11] meditating, what you're actually doing

[39:13] is your physiology.

[39:16] What our ancestors called the temple.

[39:18] This is the temple, the vessel that

[39:20] holds the antenna. We are communicating

[39:23] with that part, that place in the field

[39:26] where many people have come before us

[39:28] and are also communicating with that

[39:30] that place in the field. This is why

[39:33] when you begin to replace

[39:36] the natural biology with synthetics,

[39:39] there are no longer neurons. There's no

[39:42] longer DNA. And what that means is

[39:45] there's no longer antenna.

[39:47] So we still may function in this

[39:50] physical world. We have now been veiled.

[39:54] I don't want to say it's completely

[39:56] lost, but the access is veiled,

[39:59] more difficult to to get to for our

[40:03] intuition, our conscience that knows

[40:05] what's right and wrong and good and bad.

[40:07] And the ability to communicate with

[40:09] other forms of life on subtle levels,

[40:12] other dimensionalities

[40:14] on subtle levels. the ability to to

[40:17] meditate and elevate ourselves in those

[40:20] levels. All of that innovation,

[40:22] creativity, imagination, all of that

[40:25] begins to atrophy

[40:27] if we don't use and this is the danger

[40:30] and the science is showing us if we

[40:32] don't use those parts of ourselves. Now,

[40:36] so for example, computer chips are put

[40:38] into the brain into the neoortex

[40:41] and they begin to replace mirror

[40:43] neurons. And we'll talk about mirror

[40:45] neurons a little bit. This it's a class

[40:46] of neuron. What the studies show really

[40:50] clearly

[40:52] is the new discoveries is that the human

[40:54] brain

[40:56] continues to produce neurons until the

[40:58] last breath we take on this planet. We

[41:00] we used to be told when I was in

[41:03] college, I was told, you know, you've

[41:05] got X number of neurons and every time

[41:07] you drink a beer, you're going to lose a

[41:08] bunch. So that was the leverage, you

[41:10] know, not not to have a beer or whatever

[41:11] it was you were you were doing. Now we

[41:14] know that's not true. Uh that we

[41:17] continue to produce them until the last

[41:19] breath of life. However, and this is the

[41:21] caveat, if a new neuron is produced and

[41:25] it is not engaged in a meaningful way

[41:29] within uh about 14 days, it will atrophy

[41:33] and die because it feels like it's not

[41:35] needed. If we have AI virtual visors

[41:43] in our children that are entertaining

[41:46] them, everything is being done for them.

[41:48] So, you got a three-year-old sitting on

[41:50] the floor in a living room after

[41:51] breakfast with a visor for hours

[41:55] watching

[41:56] extraordinary scenes and vivid colors

[41:59] and sounds they would never see in the

[42:00] natural world. But here's the thing,

[42:02] it's all being done for them. They're

[42:05] not engaging their imagination. They're

[42:08] not engaging their creativity. They're

[42:10] not engaging their problemolving skills.

[42:13] All they're doing is being entertained.

[42:15] And what happens is the brain cells that

[42:18] are not engaged begin to atrophy. So now

[42:20] psychologists are publishing papers of

[42:23] young kids that are doing just this and

[42:25] they have cognitive impairment because

[42:29] motor everything from motor skills to

[42:30] language to socialization.

[42:33] The visual cortex is thickening because

[42:36] that is the part of their brain that's

[42:38] being used. uh when we fail to engage

[42:45] our divinity in a meaningful way, those

[42:49] parts of us begin to atrophy in one

[42:52] generation. Next generation, your body

[42:54] says, "Oh, you know, we didn't use these

[42:57] much. Maybe we don't need this anymore."

[42:59] And it becomes an appendage of a skill

[43:02] that we used to have. This is how you

[43:03] lose a species. It's exactly how you

[43:05] lose a species because it's happening on

[43:07] the genetic level as well with

[43:09] reproduction

[43:11] um with uh immune response all of these

[43:14] kinds of things. So the point is that

[43:17] it's through our natural biology that we

[43:20] have access to our divinity or to our

[43:25] ability to transcend our perceived

[43:27] limitations.

[43:29] When our natural biology is replaced,

[43:33] then those skills either begin to

[43:35] atrophy or we lose access altogether to

[43:39] to that field. We're still alive. We may

[43:42] no longer be human. If we define human

[43:44] through DNA and as homo sapiens,

[43:47] sapiens, we may become something very

[43:49] different.

[43:51] One of the directors of research at

[43:53] Google technology, Ray Kerszswe is his

[43:55] name.

[43:57] Uh he's a futurist. He's a visionary.

[44:01] He's been around for a very long time.

[44:04] Um,

[44:05] and I'm just going to share his

[44:07] perspective. And it's not out of

[44:09] disrespect for Ray Kerszswe because he's

[44:11] a technologist.

[44:13] So he's just looking at the technology

[44:15] and what's possible. What he says is by

[44:18] the year 2030 2035

[44:21] we will no longer be pure human. He said

[44:23] when you talk to another human we'll be

[44:25] talking and we will become some degree

[44:28] of hybrid between external technology

[44:32] artificial technology and and natural

[44:34] biology.

[44:36] Uh and he believes this is moving toward

[44:38] what he calls the singularity.

[44:40] The singularity is where we become the

[44:45] technology that we have embraced within

[44:48] our bodies becomes so dominant that we

[44:51] now are part of the internet of all

[44:53] things that we are surveiled. We are

[44:56] tracked. Our vitals are traced. AI is

[45:00] determining uh our lifestyles, what we

[45:03] can eat, what we can purchase, how we

[45:06] travel, where we travel. uh all of that.

[45:08] He says between 2035 2045 is when he

[45:12] expects what he calls this singularity

[45:15] to occur

[45:17] where that used to be an interesting

[45:19] scientific concept until um political

[45:23] powers began to propose

[45:27] now the policies that are actually

[45:29] implementing these very things. So we've

[45:32] seen this since the year 2019 right

[45:35] before the pandemic.

[45:37] when

[45:39] the the World Economic Forum, the

[45:43] unelected officials of the think tank

[45:46] that has been around since 1971, they've

[45:49] always gotten together once a year and

[45:51] you know, they sit back and and talk

[45:53] about what they think the world should

[45:54] be. And I have no problem with that at

[45:57] all. What happened in 19 2019 is that

[46:01] they signed a formal agreement with the

[46:03] United Nations

[46:05] and the UN has a program called SDG

[46:08] 2030, sustainable development goals for

[46:11] 2030. 17 goals they want to implement by

[46:14] the year 2030 that they believe make for

[46:19] a better world. These are unelected

[46:22] officials.

[46:23] You and I have no say. And what they're

[46:26] proposing

[46:28] changes every facet of of our lives

[46:32] typically in a way that is about

[46:33] contraction

[46:35] and loss of freedom rather than

[46:37] expansion and the gaining of freedom of

[46:40] expression of life. So the UN has been

[46:43] trying to implement these these policies

[46:46] and they've had a slow start. They're

[46:48] not where they would like to be because

[46:49] they're not popular.

[46:53] The World Economic Forum has had these

[46:55] ideas. They don't know how to give them

[46:57] traction.

[46:59] They signed a formal agreement in 2019

[47:03] for the UN to use the sustainable

[47:06] development goals as the implementation

[47:09] arm of many of the World Economic Forum

[47:12] ideas because they are so closely

[47:13] aligned. Uh, and all of a sudden those

[47:16] abstract ideas that sound like a

[47:18] dystopian scientific future from a

[47:21] really bad movie uh are now showing up

[47:25] for votes on uh at the United Nations.

[47:28] They're being proposed the United States

[47:30] Congress through different forms of

[47:31] legislation, state and federal levels.

[47:34] And I think we need to be aware of these

[47:36] things. It all comes down to this

[47:39] conversation that we're talking about

[47:40] about our humanness. Do these ideas do

[47:46] they give us freedom

[47:48] of imagination, creativity and expansion

[47:52] of life and health and healing in the

[47:56] body? Or do they want to control,

[48:01] contract, confine,

[48:04] uh, and limit our expression of of all

[48:07] of those things? And when we begin to

[48:09] see the answer to that, we can see the

[48:10] thinking and and where this is going.

[48:13] But I want to mention one. May I mention

[48:16] one more thing?

[48:16] No.

[48:17] Okay.

[48:17] I'm just kidding. Go ahead.

[48:19] Well, here's how science I think is

[48:22] going to come to terms

[48:25] with the fact that there's something so

[48:27] much more than we've ever been led to

[48:29] believe. And it's through their attempts

[48:31] to clone life. We've all heard of Dolly,

[48:36] the the sheep in uh in the UK that was

[48:38] cloned

[48:40] uh the first successful cloning. And for

[48:43] most people, the story stops there. What

[48:44] they don't know is that Dolly the sheep

[48:48] at first looked normal and at first

[48:51] looked like any other sheep. She

[48:53] actually conceived and had six

[48:54] offspring.

[48:56] But prematurely, her body began to break

[48:59] down and she died at about 50% of the

[49:03] lifespan of her species. And they

[49:06] thought, well, maybe this is a one-off.

[49:08] Maybe it's a fluke. They've done a lot

[49:10] of experiments, other sheep, and now

[49:12] they they're doing this boine um cows as

[49:15] well. Same thing is happening. their

[49:18] bodies prematurely break down and they

[49:20] succumb to really strange diseases that

[49:23] are not typical uh either for that

[49:26] species or or for that age in in the

[49:28] species. And they can't figure out why.

[49:30] And they're saying, "Okay, we took a

[49:32] cell and now here's another identical

[49:34] cell.

[49:36] Why wouldn't they live the identical

[49:38] life? It's not the identical cell." And

[49:41] this is this is where I think science is

[49:44] going to have to come to terms with

[49:45] this. So, at the risk of too much

[49:49] detail, let me just go into a little bit

[49:50] of detail about how a clone actually

[49:52] works. It's fascinating because what

[49:54] they they'll do is they'll they'll take

[49:56] the egg from one sheep, for example,

[50:00] and they will remove the DNA and the

[50:02] nucleus and put in the DNA of of another

[50:07] uh another sheep into that nucleus

[50:11] and allow it to grow. Here's what they

[50:14] don't tell you.

[50:16] Not all the DNA is in the nucleus. Some

[50:18] of the DNA is outside of the nucleus.

[50:21] And there is a communication that

[50:23] happens between the DNA, an energetic

[50:27] communication that that is established

[50:30] when they the term is inucleation. When

[50:33] they take the the DNA out of that

[50:35] nucleus, put in another form of of DNA

[50:38] into that nucleus. They left the DNA

[50:42] outside of the nucleus. Now those two

[50:45] realms of DNA are no longer in

[50:47] communication. They can't and the the

[50:50] role that the external nucleus is

[50:53] playing to that internal nucleus of of

[50:55] of information sharing uh as a template

[50:59] for longevity. That communication now is

[51:02] lost. So that is at least part of the

[51:06] reason why the the premature breakdown

[51:08] is happening.

[51:11] This leads into a realm that the

[51:13] scientific community is doesn't want to

[51:15] go there is there's more than a chemical

[51:18] conversation going on. It's an energetic

[51:21] conversation and it's that energetic

[51:23] conversation that gives us our humanness

[51:26] because our DNA is the antenna. It's a

[51:30] vibratory antenna in communication with

[51:34] a part of us that is ageless, that is

[51:36] timeless. Uh, it's the part of us that

[51:38] does all the things that that we've been

[51:40] talking about that allows us to have

[51:43] what some people consider godlike

[51:45] skills, godlike abilities, because they

[51:48] are the kinds of abilities that we've

[51:50] always

[51:52] attributed to our our, you know, super

[51:54] people, you know, Wonder Woman and and

[51:57] Superman and things like that. These the

[51:59] ability to to heal on demand uh to

[52:03] create resilience on demand to longevity

[52:06] enzymes or what some people call

[52:08] anti-aging enzymes on demand. Over 1300

[52:13] positive biochemical reactions.

[52:16] We have the ability to self-regulate on

[52:18] demand in a way no other form of life

[52:20] can do. That's part of our divinity. We

[52:23] begin to lose that when we give our

[52:25] humanness away to the technology

[52:29] uh to the AI to the computer chips

[52:32] chemicals in our blood gene therapies to

[52:34] enhance immune response.

[52:37] We're just on this this edge where we

[52:40] know enough how to implement it. We do

[52:42] not know and have not taken the

[52:45] responsibility to explore ultimately

[52:47] what the implications are. and uh and

[52:50] we're going to have to come to terms

[52:52] with that as a society and as a

[52:54] civilization. And it's it's going to

[52:55] happen in this generation. It cannot

[52:57] last, you know, another five

[52:59] generations. It's it's right now this is

[53:02] up for us. And I'm very passionate about

[53:04] this because I believe that we're worth

[53:08] preserving.

[53:10] There is something, and we can get into

[53:12] this deeper. There's something so

[53:17] precious and sacred about our humanness

[53:21] that has never been given to any other

[53:23] form of life that we know of today. Now,

[53:25] there are many forms of life, I'm sure,

[53:27] throughout the cosmos and maybe it

[53:30] happens somewhere else.

[53:32] But to the best of my knowledge, we're

[53:33] it and we're all we've got. And if we

[53:36] lose ourselves, if we lose our

[53:38] humanness,

[53:40] we'll never get it back.

[53:43] And the cosmos will never know what it

[53:46] means for us to be fully human on this

[53:51] beautiful planet, this beautiful world

[53:53] we live in.

[53:55] And those that want to steal our

[53:58] humanness

[54:00] uh have a very different objective and

[54:02] very different ideas.

[54:05] And um and I think it's it's important

[54:08] for us to recognize that this is

[54:10] happening in our lives right now. Not to

[54:12] be afraid of it by any means, but to be

[54:16] aware and to celebrate our humanness and

[54:19] be aware when policies or people are

[54:24] asking that we allow them to lead us in

[54:28] our lives, elected officials,

[54:31] what do they stand for? And look beyond

[54:35] the things that are being weaponized to

[54:37] divide us. look beyond those primal,

[54:40] look beyond LGBQ and look beyond

[54:43] transhuman, look beyond abortion, look

[54:45] beyond, you know, these where are they

[54:48] coming from in terms of their humanity

[54:51] and that rather than a popularity

[54:53] contest and that is a very different way

[54:55] of thinking for a lot of people and I

[54:57] catch heat sometimes for saying that.

[54:59] But if we don't say it now, Andre, we'll

[55:02] never be able to say it because within

[55:05] these next few years, either through

[55:07] executive orders or through

[55:10] corporations that are running uh a lot

[55:13] of what we do and what we eat and how we

[55:16] live, we are going to be pushed into the

[55:19] space where

[55:21] we are being invited or compelled to

[55:24] give our humanness away. And

[55:28] I I know it's happening and I'm still

[55:31] impressed at how sexy the marketing is

[55:34] when I see the marketing

[55:37] and how they appeal to the young people

[55:39] with the images,

[55:41] uh, you know, the videos and things like

[55:43] that. Young people that have never been

[55:46] taught to respect themselves and their

[55:49] bodies and how precious they really are,

[55:51] who wouldn't go for it? Who wouldn't

[55:52] want a computer chip in the brain that

[55:54] allows you to do your gaming without a

[55:57] wire hooked up to your computer? Man,

[55:58] who doesn't want that? So, I think our

[56:02] work is cut out for us. And it sounds

[56:05] complex and for some people it sounds

[56:07] scary, but I think it's very simple. And

[56:09] and what it is is we we make it a point

[56:13] to inform our young people of how

[56:16] special they are, how precious their

[56:19] lives are, to be very aware of what they

[56:22] put into their bodies and what they put

[56:24] onto their bodies.

[56:26] and to help them to understand

[56:30] uh that their uniqueness is cherished

[56:34] and wanted and needed in the world and

[56:36] can only happen through their natural

[56:39] abilities, not the uniformity of of

[56:42] computer chips and and AI. So that was a

[56:44] long a long statement. So I

[56:47] what do you think?

[56:49] No, it was wonderful. Thank you for just

[56:50] giving all that context and and all the

[56:52] nuance and tangents. I think it it

[56:55] really helps us understand where we're

[56:56] at with it. I don't think most of us,

[56:58] including probably to many degrees, us

[57:00] in this conversation know to which

[57:02] degree uh how exponential this

[57:05] technology is evolving. Far much faster

[57:08] than regulatory agencies would be able

[57:10] to do anything about it. To many in many

[57:12] degrees like once the genie is out of

[57:14] the bottle, it's out of the bottle. And

[57:16] we don't know what we don't know. I

[57:18] think we can erroneously

[57:21] uh attribute malice to where ignorance

[57:24] would suffice. You know, there's that

[57:26] saying, we we simply don't know what

[57:27] we're fully doing. And

[57:30] I've heard you share many times how the

[57:33] more that we truly know who we are, the

[57:35] less we fear the change that is coming.

[57:37] The issue is that so much of us, we just

[57:39] don't we don't know who we are. We don't

[57:40] know what the the real potential is

[57:42] within human biology, the human spirit.

[57:45] And I love how you reflect on the

[57:47] importance of of seeing the stories that

[57:48] we're telling ourselves about what is

[57:50] coming. And so you opened up a lot of

[57:53] avenues and a lot of doors of where

[57:55] we're currently going with this

[57:56] exponential rise of technology of doing

[57:59] it to a degree where we we might not

[58:01] understand the effects that it's having

[58:03] to our human divinity and a lot of these

[58:06] aspects which people would see as

[58:08] superhuman that we have on demand within

[58:10] us. And so I just want you to reflect if

[58:13] you will a little bit more about the

[58:14] story that we're telling ourselves about

[58:16] what is coming.

[58:17] Sure.

[58:20] Let me go back and just pick up a couple

[58:22] of things. When and I agree 100% when

[58:25] you

[58:26] talk about the the people developing the

[58:28] technology and I use Ray Kerszswe as an

[58:31] example. I've worked with a lot of these

[58:33] people. I haven't worked with Ray, but

[58:34] I've worked with people like this

[58:37] and they're techies and this is it and

[58:40] they're in their element. What they've

[58:42] been given is permission to push the

[58:44] boundaries as far as they can uh and

[58:49] given the funding and the technology

[58:51] that allows them to open those doors.

[58:54] Now, I have had conversations with him

[58:56] and I'd say, "Well, what does this mean

[58:58] for society? What does it mean for a

[59:02] family? What does it mean for for a

[59:04] human walking the earth? And here's what

[59:06] they'll tell me. They'll say, don't ask

[59:09] me that question. It's above my pay

[59:10] grade say, I'm not paid to think about

[59:14] the social implications. I am paid to

[59:16] push the boundaries of this technology.

[59:18] Somebody else will figure that out.

[59:20] Well, those techies now are running a

[59:23] lot of of the policies that we're being

[59:26] asked to embrace with no thought of the

[59:29] social or the moral implications or the

[59:32] lasting implications

[59:35] without the recognition of just how

[59:37] delicate of a balance our genome really

[59:41] presents to us. And once you tweak that

[59:43] genome in very very specific ways which

[59:45] we can now do with you mentioned it

[59:47] crisper gene editing you can't unedit

[59:51] uh I you can and it's a big process that

[59:56] I don't think you can go back in in a

[59:58] species once you make those changes. So,

[1:00:02] so yeah, I think a lot of it is the

[1:00:04] technology. I'll just encapsulate it

[1:00:06] this way. The technology has developed

[1:00:10] faster than the morality of how we use

[1:00:13] it in in our lives or what it means in

[1:00:15] in our lives. And I think it's a very

[1:00:17] fair statement to say.

[1:00:20] With your permission now, can we go into

[1:00:22] something really deep and esoteric? Are

[1:00:24] you okay if we do?

[1:00:25] I don't know. It's not really my avenue

[1:00:27] for this podcast.

[1:00:28] We don't we don't have to if you don't

[1:00:29] want to. I'd love to. Please let's let's

[1:00:32] continue deep diving.

[1:00:33] Well, I think one of the reasons,

[1:00:37] and this isn't new, for generations now,

[1:00:40] since 1859,

[1:00:42] Charles Darwin put forth a theory that

[1:00:45] we called the theory of evolution.

[1:00:48] In his book, Origin of Species, uh, was

[1:00:51] published in 1859. It was a different

[1:00:53] world in 1859. It was before my time. I

[1:00:56] I certainly don't remember that.

[1:00:57] You're timeless, Greg.

[1:01:00] But he I've got a really interesting

[1:01:03] story to tell about uh I I published a

[1:01:06] book a few years ago and I did a radio

[1:01:08] interview

[1:01:10] commuter traffic interview in New York

[1:01:12] City

[1:01:14] to promote this book and it was all the

[1:01:18] evidence that does not support

[1:01:19] evolution. So the interviewer came on in

[1:01:22] the morning and man there was you know

[1:01:23] no good morning welcome Greg how 6 a.m.

[1:01:26] interview for me it was you know

[1:01:27] commuter traffic in in New York I live

[1:01:29] in the mountain states so it was 8 8

[1:01:31] a.m. for them. And the first thing he

[1:01:34] says, he says, "What gives you the right

[1:01:37] to talk about evolution and biology?"

[1:01:40] And I said, I thought he was kidding. I

[1:01:42] said, "Excuse me?" And he says, he says,

[1:01:44] "You're only a geologist. What gives you

[1:01:46] the right to talk about biology and to

[1:01:49] question Darwin's theory of evolution?"

[1:01:51] And then I knew he was he was serious.

[1:01:53] And I said, I said to him, I said, "My

[1:01:55] brother, do you know what the profession

[1:01:58] was of the man who developed the theory

[1:02:01] of evolution? Do you know what Charles

[1:02:03] Darwin's profession was?" And he said,

[1:02:04] "No." And I said, "He was a geologist."

[1:02:06] And the guy, he came back, he said,

[1:02:08] "Okay, let's go to break." And he took a

[1:02:10] break and he never came back. So that

[1:02:12] was the end of that that conversation.

[1:02:14] The the point is that Darwin

[1:02:17] uh where I think Darwin made the mistake

[1:02:22] was he took what he saw with one form of

[1:02:25] life, one species of birds in one

[1:02:28] location of the Gopagus Islands in one

[1:02:30] moment in time, 1853,

[1:02:34] and he took what he saw happening there

[1:02:37] and generalized it for all life at all

[1:02:40] places throughout all time, including

[1:02:43] humans.

[1:02:45] So I want to be very clear that as a

[1:02:48] geologist that evolution is a fact. I've

[1:02:49] seen it in the fossil record. I have

[1:02:52] excavated those fossils uh when I was in

[1:02:55] school and I believe in the theory of

[1:02:57] evolution. It breaks down when it comes

[1:03:00] to humans. Something happened to us

[1:03:03] that's not accounted for in our study of

[1:03:06] evolutionary biology. It happened

[1:03:08] 200,000 years ago when the first

[1:03:11] anatomically modern humans is what

[1:03:13] they're now called. AMH is the acronym.

[1:03:16] Anatomically modern humans. When the

[1:03:18] first AMH emerged on our planet,

[1:03:22] uh, we now have the ability to extract

[1:03:26] the DNA from fossilized remains of

[1:03:28] ancient forms of life, including

[1:03:32] forms of life that we used to think were

[1:03:34] our ancestors. And when you compare

[1:03:36] their DNA to ours now, we know that we

[1:03:40] did not descend, for example, from

[1:03:41] Neanderthal, we we may have some

[1:03:44] Neanderthal DNA. Some people do,

[1:03:46] especially in Northern Europe, because

[1:03:49] we shared the earth with them. We walked

[1:03:51] the earth with them. They say we

[1:03:53] probably had Neanderthal boyfriends and

[1:03:55] girlfriends. We we interbred.

[1:03:57] Um I was a a program not long ago and I

[1:04:00] made that statement. There was a woman

[1:04:01] in the front row and she said, "I still

[1:04:03] do. I still have a needle boyfriend. And

[1:04:05] then the guy next to her wasn't laughing

[1:04:07] at all. So I I got to see the whole

[1:04:09] relationship workshop, you know, happen

[1:04:11] right right before my eyes. But the

[1:04:14] point is we did not descend from

[1:04:17] Neanderthal. We shared the earth with

[1:04:19] them. If we walk the earth with them, we

[1:04:21] couldn't have descended from them. And

[1:04:22] the same is true for these other archaic

[1:04:25] forms of life. What the DNA is saying,

[1:04:28] Andre, and this is is a mindblower

[1:04:30] because we don't have to speculate about

[1:04:32] this piece. When you compare our modern

[1:04:35] genome, you take your blood or my blood

[1:04:36] and you compare that to the genome

[1:04:39] developed from the fossilized remains of

[1:04:41] our earliest ancestors. We haven't

[1:04:43] changed. We showed up 200,000 years ago.

[1:04:45] We don't know where we came from. We

[1:04:48] haven't changed since then. Now, we have

[1:04:50] obviously changed in consciousness. We

[1:04:52] have evolved in the way we think. But

[1:04:55] our biology has not changed. We had all

[1:04:58] of the advanced neural network and all

[1:05:00] of the ability to self-regulate and all

[1:05:02] the things that our divinity was

[1:05:05] available to us two 200,000 years ago.

[1:05:10] The way that it happened, scientists now

[1:05:13] know this, but they don't know what to

[1:05:15] do with what they have found is that

[1:05:18] there were mutations

[1:05:21] in our DNA that cannot be accounted for

[1:05:24] under natural circumstance. They don't

[1:05:26] happen in nature

[1:05:27] with the certain chromosomes.

[1:05:29] Yes. For for example, one of the most

[1:05:31] profound is chromosome number two,

[1:05:34] human chromosome 2. It's the second

[1:05:35] largest chromosome in the human body in

[1:05:38] in the cell. um

[1:05:41] it has about 1,200 genes in that

[1:05:44] chromosome. Genes are little segments of

[1:05:46] the DNA. The chromosome is the long

[1:05:48] strands of DNA and then the the genes

[1:05:51] are the shorter segments of of the DNA.

[1:05:54] One of those genes is called TBR number

[1:05:57] one. TBR1

[1:05:59] is responsible for our brain size. We

[1:06:02] showed up 200,000 years ago. We got a

[1:06:04] brain 50% larger than our nearest

[1:06:06] primate relative.

[1:06:08] Boom. just like that we it didn't happen

[1:06:11] slowly gradually over a long period of

[1:06:13] time with a a neoortex. I know you've

[1:06:16] had my brother Joe dispense on before

[1:06:18] and he talks a lot about, you know,

[1:06:20] neuroscience and and the neoortex, the

[1:06:23] mirror neurons that allow us uh the

[1:06:27] ability

[1:06:29] to envision in our mind an image

[1:06:34] of what we want to happen in our bodies.

[1:06:36] and then the mirror neuron feeding the

[1:06:39] brain and informing the body to produce

[1:06:42] the chemistry to match what we're seeing

[1:06:44] in our mirror neurons. That happened

[1:06:47] 200,000 years ago. Now, some other forms

[1:06:50] of life have to a lesser extent that,

[1:06:53] but not like we have. So, human

[1:06:56] chromosome number two, where did it come

[1:06:58] from? Well, scientists now know it is

[1:07:00] the fusion of two existing chromosomes.

[1:07:05] They're fused.

[1:07:07] Okay. On on a typical chromosome,

[1:07:10] and I know a lot of our viewers know

[1:07:12] this, on the ends of the chromosomes are

[1:07:14] called telomeirs. You hear about this a

[1:07:15] lot in um

[1:07:16] longevity space,

[1:07:17] biohacking and and longevity. Telomeirs

[1:07:20] at the ends of the chromosomes that

[1:07:22] protect the DNA inside. If this is a

[1:07:24] chromosome, then on the ends of the

[1:07:27] chromosome are the telomeirs that

[1:07:31] protect the vital DNA information in

[1:07:34] here. Because when the cell divides and

[1:07:37] the chromosome split, that's a trauma to

[1:07:41] that chromosome and part of the

[1:07:42] chromosome does not make the split. You

[1:07:45] don't want that to be the good stuff in

[1:07:47] here. So nature gives us this buffer on

[1:07:51] the ends called the telomeirs. when when

[1:07:54] the split happens, the part that doesn't

[1:07:56] make it is not that vital because it's

[1:07:59] it's on the ends. Well, here's

[1:08:00] chromosome number two. What we see is

[1:08:03] there's telomeres on the ends of the

[1:08:05] chromosome and there's telomeirs right

[1:08:06] in the middle because it was originally

[1:08:09] two separate chromosomes that were

[1:08:10] fused. So now you've got telomeirs where

[1:08:13] they should never be in the middle of

[1:08:14] the chromosome. That doesn't happen in

[1:08:16] nature. But it didn't stop there because

[1:08:20] once that fusion happened, there was

[1:08:23] redundancy

[1:08:25] in the functions of the chromosomes. So

[1:08:27] some of the chromosomes were turned off,

[1:08:29] some of them were silenced, some of them

[1:08:31] were moved, some were added to stabilize

[1:08:33] this. This can't happen in nature. We

[1:08:36] didn't know what that meant until gene

[1:08:38] editing occurred. And it appears that a

[1:08:42] gene editing happened 200,000 years ago.

[1:08:45] And if it was only chromosome 2, you

[1:08:46] could say maybe it's a fluke, but it's

[1:08:48] not. Our ability as as a musician, I've

[1:08:51] always had the question.

[1:08:53] We share 98% of our DNA with a chimp,

[1:08:56] for example. 98%.

[1:08:59] But chimps can't sing. You know, I've

[1:09:02] always wondered, I mean, you're never

[1:09:03] going to hear a chimp sing Led Zeppelin

[1:09:05] Stairway to Heaven. And if you do, let

[1:09:08] me know.

[1:09:09] I definitely will.

[1:09:10] Yeah. No, it it can't happen. And here's

[1:09:12] the reason. Because chromosome 7

[1:09:15] when you look at primates for about 175

[1:09:20] million years, I think that number is

[1:09:21] accurate. Chromosome 7 was stable. No

[1:09:25] changes. 175 million years. All of a

[1:09:28] sudden, there was this little tweak of

[1:09:31] two genes that were switched around.

[1:09:36] And when that switch happened, it gave

[1:09:38] us the ability. It connected our tongue

[1:09:40] and our brain and our mouth in a way

[1:09:43] that gave us the ability to have complex

[1:09:45] speech and and to sing. Guess when it

[1:09:48] happened?

[1:09:49] Just

[1:09:49] 200,000 years ago.

[1:09:50] Exactly 200,000 years ago. And there are

[1:09:52] other things that happened as well.

[1:09:54] These things they didn't happen slowly,

[1:09:56] gradually over a long period of time.

[1:09:59] And they typically don't happen in

[1:10:01] nature. So we begin to see that there

[1:10:05] that the odds of this occurring are so

[1:10:08] small that scientists say it appears

[1:10:10] that there's been an intervention.

[1:10:12] That's the word that they use. We don't

[1:10:14] they don't say who or what, but there's

[1:10:17] been some kind of an intervention. And

[1:10:20] this leads to the deep esoteric

[1:10:23] conversation that that I'd like to have

[1:10:26] if you're okay if if we do that.

[1:10:27] Yeah, absolutely. I love

[1:10:30] because the precision the timing of this

[1:10:32] as you're speaking to points to

[1:10:33] something beyond the standard

[1:10:35] evolutionary model and I love that Fred

[1:10:38] Hoy quote that you g that I heard you

[1:10:40] share as an astrophysicist

[1:10:42] British British astrophysicist. Yeah.

[1:10:44] Yeah. About a tornado.

[1:10:46] He said the odds when he was asked at a

[1:10:48] conference he was going through all the

[1:10:50] math and somebody in the audience said

[1:10:53] you know cut the math what are the odds

[1:10:55] and he says let me put it this way. He

[1:10:57] said, "The odds of human DNA forming the

[1:10:59] way that it formed to make us who we are

[1:11:02] today are the odds of a tornado sweeping

[1:11:06] through a junkyard and on the way out

[1:11:09] leaving a Boeing 747

[1:11:11] behind." And we all know that's probably

[1:11:13] not going to happen.

[1:11:15] So that was uh that was his way of

[1:11:19] saying and this is you know the

[1:11:21] scientific community this is why they're

[1:11:23] stuck because there's a huge difference

[1:11:27] Andre

[1:11:28] between

[1:11:31] revealing new discoveries and new

[1:11:33] information

[1:11:36] and forcing those new discoveries to fit

[1:11:39] into a pre-existing model. There's a

[1:11:41] huge difference between doing that and

[1:11:44] revealing new information and allowing

[1:11:47] the information to lead to the story

[1:11:49] that it tells. There's a reluctance in

[1:11:52] the scientific community traditionally

[1:11:54] to do the latter. Where the information,

[1:11:57] and I'm going to go into this a little

[1:11:59] bit more deeply, where that information

[1:12:01] is leading takes the scientific

[1:12:03] community to a place that they are

[1:12:05] traditionally not equipped to deal with.

[1:12:08] And so they prefer to avoid it. They're

[1:12:10] not bad people. I have friends in

[1:12:13] academia and I've asked them the

[1:12:16] question. I say, "Why can't you teach

[1:12:18] this to your students?" And they're the

[1:12:21] age I am. I'm 70. So, they've been

[1:12:24] teaching, you know, 40 45 years. And

[1:12:28] what they say is, you know, uh, we're

[1:12:32] going to let the next generation

[1:12:34] of professors deal with this problem. we

[1:12:38] would have to change all of our class

[1:12:40] notes. It it makes us look wrong as

[1:12:43] professionals to have to go back and and

[1:12:45] change the story. And I I tell them I

[1:12:48] said, "No, it actually validates the

[1:12:50] power of science because it shows that

[1:12:53] science is so relevant. It's made to be

[1:12:55] updated as new information comes to

[1:12:58] light. It's a living story. It's not a

[1:13:00] static story.

[1:13:02] So for me

[1:13:05] once I began to understand on a personal

[1:13:08] level

[1:13:10] that the mutations that give us our

[1:13:13] humanness cannot happen in nature. Of

[1:13:16] course that begs the question how how

[1:13:19] did it happen?

[1:13:21] Uh what a lot of people don't know my

[1:13:23] degree is in geology. I have studied and

[1:13:25] I'm an amateur archaeologist. I don't

[1:13:27] have an advanced degree in archaeology,

[1:13:29] but I've done a lot of archaeological

[1:13:30] work. Uh I'm a scholar. I've done a lot

[1:13:33] of historic work, ancient text, ancient

[1:13:35] traditions.

[1:13:36] Traveled to the places where the people

[1:13:40] still live that preserve many of these

[1:13:42] traditions.

[1:13:44] And all of that led me to the question,

[1:13:47] if we are the product of an intentional

[1:13:51] act

[1:13:53] that occurred 200,000 years ago,

[1:13:57] where would we find the evidence of that

[1:14:00] act? Would it be left on a on a temple

[1:14:02] wall in Peru that could crumble after a

[1:14:06] few thousand years? Would it be in the

[1:14:07] Middle East on, you know, on a scroll

[1:14:09] that could be burned or hidden or, you

[1:14:11] know, destroyed in some way?

[1:14:14] And then I began to look at my artist

[1:14:17] friends and every one of my artist

[1:14:19] friends does the same thing. When they

[1:14:21] create something they're proud of, the

[1:14:23] last thing they do is they sign it. They

[1:14:24] put their name on it. And I said, if we

[1:14:27] are the product of an intentional act,

[1:14:30] it makes sense that who or what is

[1:14:33] responsible for us would have left a

[1:14:35] signature. Where would we find that? And

[1:14:39] I was asking this question in the 80s

[1:14:41] and the '9s. We didn't have the

[1:14:43] internet. Uh the internet early 90s we

[1:14:46] started having the internet. Didn't have

[1:14:48] computers like we do now. So a lot of

[1:14:51] what happened was by hand.

[1:14:55] My sense was it would be in the DNA of

[1:14:58] all life. And and you say, well, how how

[1:15:01] could a message be written in the sticky

[1:15:04] gooey stuff inside of a cell? because

[1:15:06] that's the way we're we're taught to

[1:15:08] think about about DNA.

[1:15:12] Well,

[1:15:18] this is a big story and I'm not sure

[1:15:19] even where where to jump in, but let me

[1:15:22] say this. In 2007,

[1:15:25] Japanese scientists released a report

[1:15:28] showing that they had stored written

[1:15:31] information into the DNA of a bacteria.

[1:15:36] And they chose this bacteria because it

[1:15:38] replicates quickly. So they could look

[1:15:41] at hundreds of generations of bacteria

[1:15:45] and then take that hundth generation,

[1:15:48] pull the DNA out, and the information

[1:15:50] was still there. They proved that DNA is

[1:15:55] a very efficient information storage

[1:15:58] medium.

[1:16:00] That was in 2007.

[1:16:02] The question I had been asking is, did

[1:16:05] this happen to us a long time ago?

[1:16:10] And the way it took me 20 years of

[1:16:13] original research

[1:16:15] to to have the answer that satisfied me,

[1:16:17] it became a book in 2004 called the God

[1:16:20] Code was the name of the book. And the

[1:16:22] bottom line is this. If you take the

[1:16:24] chemical codes

[1:16:27] that make the DNA in our bodies,

[1:16:31] they're made from elements that you find

[1:16:33] on the periodic table. And every one of

[1:16:36] those elements has different ways to

[1:16:38] represent it. It's got mathematic

[1:16:40] representations

[1:16:42] like veence number and atomic weight and

[1:16:44] atomic mass. Those are all different

[1:16:46] numbers that represent the same element.

[1:16:48] Hydrogen for example.

[1:16:51] And

[1:16:53] I began

[1:16:55] looking at that periodic table and

[1:16:58] wondering

[1:16:59] if that somehow

[1:17:03] would correlate to the ancient languages

[1:17:06] that have been left for us that tell us

[1:17:08] who we are.

[1:17:11] So now shift gears just briefly. There

[1:17:14] are four root or core alphabets that all

[1:17:17] alphabets are derived from thought to in

[1:17:20] in one way or another.

[1:17:22] There are originally six. Two of them

[1:17:24] have been lost. The four that remain are

[1:17:26] ancient cunio form, ancient Sanskrit, uh

[1:17:30] Arabic still used today and Hebrew

[1:17:33] that's still used today.

[1:17:35] Those are the four root languages.

[1:17:38] One of the great mysteries of

[1:17:40] linguistics, I'm an amateur linguist, is

[1:17:43] that every one of the ancient languages

[1:17:46] has always had numbers that represent

[1:17:48] the letters. Uh, and the science of

[1:17:52] interchanging those numbers is called

[1:17:53] gamatria. And I want to just make a

[1:17:56] distinction. This isn't numerology.

[1:17:58] Numerology is a loose derivative

[1:18:02] that doesn't follow the rules of

[1:18:04] gumatria. There are 32 rabbitical rules

[1:18:06] that were laid down in the 2 century uh

[1:18:09] common era CE AD.

[1:18:12] Um they use CE now common era rather

[1:18:16] than before and after the the death of

[1:18:17] of Jesus.

[1:18:20] 32 rebbitical rules. And for gamatria to

[1:18:23] be valid, you've got to follow those

[1:18:24] rules. So I said, if the DNA of our

[1:18:30] bodies holds a language, is it possible

[1:18:32] that the numbers could be the common

[1:18:35] link that would allow us to go from

[1:18:37] chemicals to letters? In other words, is

[1:18:39] it possible, can I read the DNA in my

[1:18:41] body like I read the letters on the page

[1:18:44] of a book? And the answer is yes. It

[1:18:45] took 20 years to figure that out. And

[1:18:49] the information in our DNA is in layers.

[1:18:53] And each layer has a different code. The

[1:18:55] first layer is considered as the

[1:18:59] introduction just like you would have an

[1:19:01] introduction into the page of a book. So

[1:19:03] now what we're doing, Andre, is we're

[1:19:05] we're think we're putting on an IT hat.

[1:19:08] And rather than looking at biology 101

[1:19:11] where you have a cell and in the cell

[1:19:13] you have a a a chromosome and the

[1:19:16] chromosomes are made of genes, now we're

[1:19:18] looking at the cell is a library. What

[1:19:20] if the cell is a library and every

[1:19:23] chromosome is a book and the genes are

[1:19:27] the paragraphs and the sentences in that

[1:19:29] book? And that's exactly exactly what's

[1:19:31] happened. It's a very different way of

[1:19:33] thinking and I'm I caught a lot of heat

[1:19:34] for it in the scientific community. Once

[1:19:37] I started talking about this

[1:19:40] uh I lost credibility in in some circles

[1:19:42] and that's okay because it's by crossing

[1:19:46] the traditional boundaries that have

[1:19:48] separated our way of knowing in the past

[1:19:50] that we gain new wisdom that leads us

[1:19:54] beyond the boxes. And so I wanted to go

[1:19:57] beyond the boxes. So what I did by hand

[1:20:01] initially

[1:20:03] was I went through and took all the

[1:20:05] elements in our DNA. It's primarily

[1:20:07] hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, carbon. This

[1:20:09] is what we are. Different amounts

[1:20:10] hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, carbon. I

[1:20:13] looked at all the numbers that represent

[1:20:15] those and made a list.

[1:20:18] About that time, uh, computers became

[1:20:21] popular and the human genome was now

[1:20:24] available on a computer. So I could take

[1:20:29] actually take DNA and and look at at you

[1:20:32] know what I'm actually dealing with

[1:20:33] here. At the same time, I went back into

[1:20:36] the ancient languages

[1:20:39] and I looked for a number of the

[1:20:42] elements that would match the numbers of

[1:20:44] the ancient language. So, I'm looking at

[1:20:46] the periodic table correlating it to

[1:20:49] gamatria and there's only one number

[1:20:52] that works. Took 20 years to figure it

[1:20:53] out. Uh and that is atomic mass. The

[1:20:56] atomic mass of the elements of our DNA

[1:21:00] correlates to the letters of the ancient

[1:21:02] alphabets. And here's the beautiful

[1:21:03] thing is the message that it reveals is

[1:21:07] exactly the same in all four. It's the

[1:21:10] same in Arabic, the same in Hebrew, the

[1:21:12] same inuniform and the same in Sanskrit

[1:21:15] and probably other languages. But those

[1:21:16] are the four core languages.

[1:21:20] So

[1:21:21] when we make that substitution, when you

[1:21:23] use that numeric link and literally into

[1:21:28] the DNA bases, cytosine, thamine,

[1:21:32] guanine, adinine, when you you go into

[1:21:34] those bases and you make those

[1:21:36] substitutions,

[1:21:38] it actually spells out the answer to

[1:21:42] probably the oldest question that we've

[1:21:43] ever asked. When we say, "Who are we?"

[1:21:46] The translation of the first layer in

[1:21:48] the DNA, the introduction of every cell

[1:21:51] in our body reads exactly the same. And

[1:21:53] it literally, this isn't a metaphor, it

[1:21:55] literally reads the words God eternal

[1:21:59] within the body. God eternal within the

[1:22:03] body. And the name of God that's written

[1:22:05] in our DNA is exactly the same as it's

[1:22:09] written in the oldest

[1:22:11] spiritual and religious our most ancient

[1:22:13] and cherished spiritual traditions. That

[1:22:16] name is actually written into the DNA of

[1:22:19] our bodies. So what we can say with

[1:22:22] absolute certainty

[1:22:25] is when we forget who we are, when we

[1:22:27] think our differences are so great that

[1:22:29] separate us through the attempt

[1:22:34] to isolate us and break the social bonds

[1:22:36] and we no longer know who we are. We

[1:22:38] need look no further than 50 trillion

[1:22:42] cells in the human body and the first

[1:22:44] layer of every every one of those cells

[1:22:47] that literally says God eternal within

[1:22:51] the body. It doesn't say who God is,

[1:22:53] where God came from. And people have

[1:22:56] said to me, the rabbis came down really

[1:22:58] hard on me and said, "We've tried to

[1:23:02] keep this secret. What gives you the

[1:23:03] right to reveal it?"

[1:23:05] And I said, because I'm not a rabbi, and

[1:23:09] I said, if we were ever going to reveal

[1:23:12] this to ourselves, what better time than

[1:23:14] now when we're on the verge of

[1:23:17] destroying

[1:23:20] the very essence of the humanness that

[1:23:23] we love and cherish. We're on the brink

[1:23:25] of war. This was in the 80s and 90s,

[1:23:27] right at the end of the Cold War.

[1:23:28] Another war we were on the brink of.

[1:23:32] What better time to reveal this than

[1:23:34] now? And why wouldn't we want to tell

[1:23:37] ourselves that we are God eternal within

[1:23:39] the body? We're not some random

[1:23:44] process, the result of of a random

[1:23:46] mutation, slow, gradual evolution.

[1:23:48] There's an intentional intervention and

[1:23:51] a signature to tell us about that

[1:23:53] intervention that literally says we are

[1:23:54] God eternal within the body. What does

[1:23:57] that mean? What does it mean to live

[1:23:59] your life as God eternal within the

[1:24:00] body? And what I've found is when people

[1:24:03] discover this, I I see this in live

[1:24:05] audiences. I watch people's eyes and I

[1:24:07] feel I can feel the vibe in the room

[1:24:11] because now everyone has a challenge in

[1:24:14] their lives.

[1:24:16] How does God eternal within the body

[1:24:18] deal with this disease? How does God

[1:24:20] eternal within the body deal with the

[1:24:24] betrayal of the trust? That's very

[1:24:26] different than how we're taught to to

[1:24:28] think of it as mere mortal humans is

[1:24:31] what somebody said to me once. So that

[1:24:35] message is only possible because 200,000

[1:24:38] years ago who or whatever

[1:24:44] intervened to give us our humanness left

[1:24:47] a message to tell us and it's only now

[1:24:51] when we arguably are on the brink of

[1:24:53] global war. This is the year 2024 in the

[1:24:56] spring

[1:24:58] when the technology is being developed

[1:25:01] so quickly and we're being encouraged to

[1:25:03] give away our humans and literally

[1:25:06] replace our bodies with artificial

[1:25:10] substances and chips and and AI and gene

[1:25:15] therapies. Only now that that same

[1:25:17] technology comes full circle and says

[1:25:20] this is who you are.

[1:25:22] Maybe it wouldn't have meant the same

[1:25:24] thing if we'd discovered it 50 years

[1:25:26] ago.

[1:25:28] But now when you go back and you look at

[1:25:32] our most ancient and cherished

[1:25:33] traditions, they've always said to us

[1:25:35] that our body is the temple. That we are

[1:25:38] a temple.

[1:25:40] And this gives new meaning to the temple

[1:25:43] because inside of a temple typically is

[1:25:46] something precious and sacred.

[1:25:49] And within us is a message from

[1:25:53] who or whatever is responsible for us

[1:25:56] being here telling us that we are God

[1:25:58] eternal within the body. And I think our

[1:26:01] greatest mastery,

[1:26:03] what we're being asked to do is to

[1:26:05] preserve the temple that holds the

[1:26:07] message. To not destroy the temple, to

[1:26:10] not relinquish it, to become a hybrid

[1:26:14] being where that message has little or

[1:26:18] no meaning any longer. I don't know if

[1:26:20] that makes sense or not. I think this is

[1:26:22] I don't talk about this a lot in

[1:26:23] interviews, but I think this is where we

[1:26:25] are as a species right now.

[1:26:28] Thank you for sharing. I think it's a

[1:26:29] really important avenue to continue

[1:26:31] opening up because

[1:26:33] just to kind of recap where we're at

[1:26:36] when we when we spoke to this event that

[1:26:37] happened 200,000 years ago that we're

[1:26:39] not sure of what happened but it's one

[1:26:41] in 10 to the power of 600 I believe I

[1:26:44] heard you share where to

[1:26:46] Can I clarify this?

[1:26:47] Yeah. What scientists say is that when

[1:26:50] the odds of something are occurring are

[1:26:52] 1 and 10 to the 400th power, it's

[1:26:55] impossible

[1:26:57] to have the genetic arrangement that we

[1:27:00] have. They say is 1 and 10 to the 600th.

[1:27:05] If one and 10 to the 400 is impossible,

[1:27:08] one and 10 to the 600 means it's more

[1:27:11] than impossible that this is a fluke of

[1:27:14] nature or that it is uh a lucky

[1:27:17] accident. It there's an intentionality.

[1:27:21] 042%

[1:27:22] is the odds of this happening purely by

[1:27:25] chance. So we can say that there is some

[1:27:29] as a scientist I have to say this and I

[1:27:32] realize I'm crossing a lot of

[1:27:33] traditional boundaries to do this. I

[1:27:35] have to say there's been an

[1:27:36] intervention. Now, where this gets

[1:27:38] really interesting is as an amateur

[1:27:41] archaeologist,

[1:27:43] every culture that I've ever studied,

[1:27:45] now I have not studied every ancient

[1:27:47] culture. Every single one, not one of

[1:27:50] our indigenous ancestors says that we

[1:27:54] are the product of long, slow, gradual

[1:27:57] mutations over a long period of time.

[1:28:00] everyone from I I've led groups into the

[1:28:04] highlands of central China and Tibet, 12

[1:28:06] monasteries, two nunnies over over 26

[1:28:08] days. We did that until they closed the

[1:28:10] borders. the Bedwins in Egypt, uh the

[1:28:13] the Sadus in in Nepal,

[1:28:16] the Ketwa in

[1:28:18] Aboriginals

[1:28:19] in Peru, the the Aboriginals all through

[1:28:21] the American desert southwest.

[1:28:23] Everyone has a creation story that says

[1:28:27] we are the product of a an intervention

[1:28:32] that we are much more. We're not what

[1:28:35] we've been told. We're so much more than

[1:28:36] we've been led to believe. And that we

[1:28:38] are part of a global family. We have a

[1:28:40] global family awaiting for us when we

[1:28:45] reach the point where we accept our

[1:28:47] humanness.

[1:28:49] When we embrace the deep truth of what

[1:28:52] it means to be human, that's the gateway

[1:28:55] to the reunion with with a greater a

[1:28:59] greater family.

[1:29:01] This is interesting because we now know

[1:29:04] that in recent times, recent within the

[1:29:07] last couple of years, there's a

[1:29:08] disclosure process that's trying to

[1:29:10] happen

[1:29:12] uh on a a governmental level between us.

[1:29:16] Disclosure means something that it means

[1:29:18] to CNN, you know, or Fox News or MSNBC.

[1:29:23] uh the reluctance to come forward with

[1:29:27] the the evidence that is being

[1:29:30] presented. I think one of the reasons

[1:29:32] for that is because once it is actually

[1:29:38] admitted what we all suspect that we

[1:29:41] have that communication that we have

[1:29:43] technology

[1:29:45] uh from beyond this world. It opens the

[1:29:49] door to our origin and to the truth of

[1:29:52] our origin and to the power of our

[1:29:54] divinity which is counter to the

[1:29:56] narrative. Divinity is about expansion

[1:30:00] and freedom and localized living of

[1:30:03] health and healing. What's being pushed

[1:30:05] on us right now is centralization,

[1:30:08] control, contraction.

[1:30:11] And you don't hear so much in mainstream

[1:30:13] about taking care of the body. It's it's

[1:30:15] here take this to fix the body that

[1:30:18] you've broken by living the life that

[1:30:20] we've given you eating the food that

[1:30:22] we've given you or what they call food.

[1:30:25] Uh so it's a very very different

[1:30:27] narrative. So, so everything we're

[1:30:28] talking about even goes down to to

[1:30:31] what's happening with uh with disclosure

[1:30:34] and it's all part of once that happens

[1:30:37] that speaks to our divinity that speaks

[1:30:40] to the battle between good and evil that

[1:30:42] speaks to to the freedom of our

[1:30:44] humanness so it's not separate from I

[1:30:47] think it's a big part of it and that's

[1:30:48] why there's so much resistance to it

[1:30:49] right now in my opinion one man's

[1:30:51] opinion

[1:30:52] yeah so of course we're exploring things

[1:30:54] here that we're not you know We're

[1:30:58] examining some various different

[1:30:59] possibilities at something that is

[1:31:01] beyond apparently beyond impossible to

[1:31:03] have occurred 200,000 years ago. But

[1:31:05] somehow there's consilience around all

[1:31:08] these ancient sites and civilizations

[1:31:11] back to ancient Sumerians to the

[1:31:13] Egyptians um that have similarities in

[1:31:16] their creation story. Even going to that

[1:31:18] the book of the sephur yet of the book

[1:31:21] of creation that gives this ancient uh

[1:31:23] Hebrew text that shares a kind of

[1:31:26] eyewitness moment of what happened for

[1:31:29] for that moment of creation

[1:31:31] with the understanding that you know

[1:31:34] these are these are all possibilities.

[1:31:36] What do you feel like could have

[1:31:38] happened actually 200,000 years ago?

[1:31:40] What kind of intervention possibly would

[1:31:43] have occurred? you know, there's these

[1:31:45] depictions of these beings with

[1:31:46] elongated skulls. Um, there's these

[1:31:49] various stories from different ancient

[1:31:51] wisdom traditions that say various

[1:31:52] different things, but there all are a

[1:31:54] lot of similarities. And so, um, what

[1:31:57] what do you to the best of your ability

[1:31:59] and knowledge feel like uh could have

[1:32:01] actually happened?

[1:32:02] Well, from a a scientific perspective, I

[1:32:06] believe that a form of gene editing

[1:32:08] happened where we were infused. If you

[1:32:11] go back to chromosome

[1:32:13] number two, what I didn't say

[1:32:17] because it wasn't part of the topic at

[1:32:19] in the moment. Chromosome number two is

[1:32:22] the the fusion of two preexisting

[1:32:27] chromosomes that were in primates here

[1:32:30] on Earth at that time. They weren't

[1:32:32] humans.

[1:32:34] So 200,000 years ago, it appears that

[1:32:38] the most evolved species on Earth was

[1:32:41] selected and infused with genetic

[1:32:46] material from a higher more evolved

[1:32:50] species that we call gods. And we are

[1:32:53] the product of that. We have we have the

[1:32:56] muscle strength and we have the um

[1:33:02] the bodies the physicality and the

[1:33:04] sexuality of the forms of life that

[1:33:08] we're here on earth infused with the

[1:33:10] DNA. And now bear in mind the DNA is the

[1:33:13] antenna. So we are attuned to

[1:33:17] information and a way of knowing and a

[1:33:19] way of being that's more than what was

[1:33:22] ever available. and cannot be to those

[1:33:25] other primates because their DNA antenna

[1:33:28] is different. They're they're tuned in

[1:33:30] to something very very different. So we

[1:33:32] are already we are a hybrid of what our

[1:33:36] ancestors called human and God or animal

[1:33:39] and God and the product is human. human

[1:33:42] is this is this hybrid and the you know

[1:33:46] depending on which text you you want to

[1:33:48] go to they are you know just full of the

[1:33:52] stories about how this happened from

[1:33:54] different you know different

[1:33:55] perspectives whether you call them the

[1:33:57] angels

[1:33:58] from the heavens or the gods from the

[1:34:00] heavens uh and you know all kinds of

[1:34:03] stories about that but they're very

[1:34:04] clear and these these are the books in

[1:34:06] the 4th century the books that were left

[1:34:08] out of the Christian cannon

[1:34:12] uh are called apocrypha and these are

[1:34:14] the books like the book of Enoch is for

[1:34:17] example Redhe Wiser is a publisher that

[1:34:20] has re-released the book of Enoch and

[1:34:22] they asked me to write the forward uh

[1:34:25] for the the new release and and I did

[1:34:27] that and the book of Enoch it's not an

[1:34:31] easy read um it's not a long book but it

[1:34:35] is a story from the prophet Enoch

[1:34:39] uh of exactly what we're talking about

[1:34:42] of the angels in the heavens uh who came

[1:34:46] to observe and protect

[1:34:49] actually were enamored and fell in love

[1:34:53] with uh with humans and that was the

[1:34:56] fall that was the descent that was the

[1:34:58] fall from heaven and began to to

[1:35:02] procreate with them and we we are the

[1:35:04] product of that. So

[1:35:06] when we look at the big picture of of

[1:35:08] light and dark, good and evil, I mean it

[1:35:11] just goes so deep into all of this. But

[1:35:13] that is playing out I think in our our

[1:35:16] lives right now. I think whether I had

[1:35:19] the the opportunity uh in the 1990s

[1:35:21] before he died I toured with Zachariah

[1:35:23] Sitchin and he wrote the the Chronicles

[1:35:26] the Earth Chronicles books and he talked

[1:35:29] about this extensively

[1:35:32] and I I want to be really clear. Right.

[1:35:33] I think he was an amazing scholar. I

[1:35:36] don't agree with all of his

[1:35:38] interpretation

[1:35:40] um from the the CUNI form text. He

[1:35:44] believed that we we were created to be a

[1:35:46] slave

[1:35:48] species to do the work, the mining of

[1:35:52] elements on this planet that were needed

[1:35:55] by other another race.

[1:35:59] We may have been enslaved at some point

[1:36:01] in our past. I don't think that's the

[1:36:03] reason that we're created. This is a a

[1:36:06] very important distinction. I don't

[1:36:07] think that's why we are as we are. It

[1:36:10] may have happened to us by those we may

[1:36:14] have been enslaved by those who have had

[1:36:15] power over us. And there are stories

[1:36:18] about how that happened and and when

[1:36:21] that happened. But this is a fundamental

[1:36:23] difference a fundamental difference

[1:36:24] between Sitchin and I is he thought

[1:36:27] that's that was the purpose of our

[1:36:28] existence. And I don't see the evidence

[1:36:30] for that at all. I think we are we are

[1:36:34] so much more than that and it's a a

[1:36:36] whole deep conversation about why we're

[1:36:40] created and and who we are and and what

[1:36:43] this creation really is all about. But

[1:36:45] the the bottom line for me is that we

[1:36:48] now have the science

[1:36:51] that tells us uh that we are more than

[1:36:57] lucky biology.

[1:36:58] Yeah.

[1:36:59] And I think that's important. And now we

[1:37:01] know there's literally information coded

[1:37:03] into the DNA of our bodies. You know

[1:37:06] what the scientific papers are now

[1:37:08] saying once Japanese scientists prove

[1:37:11] this 2007. Now what they're saying is

[1:37:13] that DNA is a denser storage medium than

[1:37:16] flash drive that uh it takes no energy

[1:37:21] to hold the information once once it's

[1:37:24] it's imbued into the DNA. And as long as

[1:37:28] one

[1:37:30] example of that life continues to live,

[1:37:34] that message

[1:37:36] remains for thousands of years, millions

[1:37:39] of years. They're now storing the

[1:37:40] Library of Congress in the United States

[1:37:43] in bacteria that is radiation resistant.

[1:37:46] In the event we ever, god forbid, have a

[1:37:50] nuclear war and all our information is

[1:37:53] wiped out, if the bacteria survives

[1:37:57] and if we have one computer that is

[1:37:59] preserved that can pull it out, we can

[1:38:01] start over again. I mean, this is how

[1:38:04] how deep this information how deep this

[1:38:07] goes. So, I've heard you share about

[1:38:09] these 5,125

[1:38:13] year cycles and five of them would be

[1:38:15] equated to the procession of the equinox

[1:38:17] and how humanity might be in this

[1:38:19] cyclical time, not linear time. Can you

[1:38:22] share about that?

[1:38:24] I can

[1:38:26] and I'm happy to, but I think I think

[1:38:28] the new discoveries are showing

[1:38:31] something even deeper than that. And

[1:38:34] I'll just mention if you want to go

[1:38:35] there, we can.

[1:38:37] Um, I think beyond

[1:38:40] any reasonable doubt, what the physics

[1:38:43] is showing is that we are in a virtual

[1:38:45] reality. We're in a simulated

[1:38:47] experience. Or Stephen Hawking before he

[1:38:50] died, this was his last

[1:38:52] his last quest, he wanted to know if we

[1:38:54] are living in what he called a base

[1:38:56] reality. Is this the reality or are we a

[1:39:00] spin-off of of a a base reality that's

[1:39:03] happening somewhere else? was Nick Boowm

[1:39:06] uh 2001 put together the first algorithm

[1:39:10] plugged in a lot of variables and uh to

[1:39:14] determine what are the odds that this is

[1:39:16] a virtual reality and the bottom line is

[1:39:19] the odds are much greater than not that

[1:39:22] we are living in a simulated reality. Uh

[1:39:26] the physics our physics actually makes

[1:39:29] more sense. There's not much to us. We

[1:39:31] are pretty much when I say we're empty

[1:39:33] beings, I don't mean that from a

[1:39:35] spiritual

[1:39:36] perspective. But when you look at an

[1:39:38] atom and the atom is mostly empty space

[1:39:41] and we are that's what we are a lot of

[1:39:43] empty space in in those atoms.

[1:39:46] One of the amazing experiments that was

[1:39:49] done early in the 20th century. It was

[1:39:50] called the double slit experiment. I

[1:39:53] know many of our viewers are probably

[1:39:55] familiar with this.

[1:39:57] What they found was that um a particle

[1:40:02] will behave differently when it's being

[1:40:04] observed and when it's not being

[1:40:06] observed. If if it's not being observed,

[1:40:08] it is a wave of energy. When it's being

[1:40:11] observed, it collapses into a particle

[1:40:14] of reality.

[1:40:16] In a simulation theory, this is

[1:40:18] fascinating, Andre, because as a

[1:40:21] computer scientist, I I know this. When

[1:40:24] you're building a big simulation,

[1:40:27] it takes so much memory in a computer to

[1:40:30] hold the entire simulation present when

[1:40:33] you're not using all the simulation. So,

[1:40:36] what happens if you got a computer game,

[1:40:39] when your avatar opens the door to a

[1:40:41] room, it's only when they open the door

[1:40:43] to that room that the room appears

[1:40:45] because it would take so much memory to

[1:40:46] always have that room sitting there if

[1:40:48] nobody's using it. That appears to be

[1:40:51] the way our world works. This is what

[1:40:54] the double slit experiment was showing.

[1:40:56] If if there nobody is looking, it's pure

[1:40:59] energy.

[1:40:59] And also just the Nobel Prize recently

[1:41:02] for local realism being proof false.

[1:41:04] Exactly. Yeah. The Nobel Prize for this

[1:41:06] and and now uh well the whole point of

[1:41:10] the simulation theory and what's

[1:41:12] important for me and where it ties into

[1:41:14] the indigenous traditions that you're

[1:41:16] talking about.

[1:41:18] uh as a former computer scientist, I'm

[1:41:22] not actively doing it now, my my job was

[1:41:24] pattern recognition software as a senior

[1:41:27] computer systems designer during the

[1:41:29] Cold War years. And

[1:41:32] one of the

[1:41:34] uh one of the amazing things that we

[1:41:37] found in terms of simulations

[1:41:40] is that they run on cycles. So you have

[1:41:43] a simulation and then what's happening

[1:41:45] in the simulation are subprograms that

[1:41:49] are running these cycles that reset

[1:41:52] themselves to keep the simulation going.

[1:41:55] Um

[1:41:58] it was about the the time of the end of

[1:42:00] the cold war in the early 90s when the

[1:42:02] concept of fractal mathematics and the

[1:42:05] mandler set was an example of of the

[1:42:08] fractal mathematics really came into

[1:42:11] vogue and the interesting thing if you

[1:42:14] bring up one of those fra you can go on

[1:42:17] you know you can google it and it'll

[1:42:18] bring up a a little u you know a little

[1:42:21] model where it just keeps zooming in

[1:42:24] forever. ever and ever and ever into the

[1:42:26] fractal. The the way that works is that

[1:42:28] there is a very simple formula

[1:42:31] that is set up where the answer becomes

[1:42:36] the input for the next iteration. And

[1:42:38] all you do is is you add you bump up

[1:42:41] maybe one, you increment by one, feed

[1:42:44] that back into the equation, and now

[1:42:46] that's giving you a new image. And

[1:42:48] you're doing it through a computer. It

[1:42:49] keeps things going. We appear to be

[1:42:51] living in something like that. We know

[1:42:54] that nature as complex as it looks is

[1:42:57] actually very simple and it's based on

[1:42:59] just a few fundamental patterns that our

[1:43:02] ancestors called the platonic solids for

[1:43:06] example and all of nature is based on

[1:43:09] those platonic solids. And the

[1:43:12] we know that our world is holographic

[1:43:15] that

[1:43:17] the whole is reflected in every every

[1:43:20] piece. We know that it is entangled.

[1:43:23] There was a Nobel Prize for entanglement

[1:43:25] that was was just awarded a couple of

[1:43:28] years ago. And we know that it is

[1:43:30] fractal. And what that means is there

[1:43:32] just a few patterns that are feeding

[1:43:35] into this equation, this iterative

[1:43:38] equation on different scales. So for

[1:43:41] example, you look at an atom.

[1:43:44] An atom, the old model of an atom was

[1:43:46] here's a nucleus and some electrons

[1:43:48] moving around. That looks a whole lot

[1:43:49] like a solar system with uh a sun and

[1:43:53] some planets moving around. It looks a

[1:43:55] whole lot like a galaxy with a black

[1:43:57] hole and and you know uh or universe and

[1:44:02] and galaxies moving around it. It's the

[1:44:05] same pattern just different scale. And

[1:44:09] this is the way a simulation will work.

[1:44:10] This is the way our our world would

[1:44:12] work. What our ancestors told us is

[1:44:14] every once in a while we go through what

[1:44:17] we would call a reset. And I think that

[1:44:21] was the the 2012 phenomenon was

[1:44:23] identifying that in the Mayan calendar.

[1:44:26] What makes this really interesting a lot

[1:44:28] of people don't know this is 2012

[1:44:32] was not the reset.

[1:44:35] 2012 marked

[1:44:38] the end of a cosmic relationship, an

[1:44:41] alignment with the ecliptic of our solar

[1:44:44] system and the sun and the Milky Way.

[1:44:47] But you don't stop a cycle on a dime.

[1:44:49] You don't stop it at noon, you know, on

[1:44:51] on December 21st. There's a a buffer, a

[1:44:54] window where you you phase from one to

[1:44:57] another. And there's a mathematical

[1:45:00] formula that tells you how long that

[1:45:02] window is. For 2012, it's a 36-year long

[1:45:05] window. 18 years before 2012, 18 years

[1:45:09] after 2030 is the end of that 2012

[1:45:14] cycle. It's when we we actually move

[1:45:17] into a new world. Now, the Mayans told

[1:45:20] us, they said, uh, you're not going to

[1:45:22] recognize your world. You won't

[1:45:23] recognize yourself. You won't recognize

[1:45:26] your your land any longer. And everybody

[1:45:28] said, "Haha," you know, and now it's

[1:45:32] hard to recognize our world. Our

[1:45:34] boundaries are changing. Our borders are

[1:45:35] changing. Our nations are changing. And

[1:45:37] we're changing. And 2030 happens to be

[1:45:40] the year that the UN has targeted for

[1:45:44] come hell or high water, they want those

[1:45:47] sustainable development goals in that

[1:45:49] year. Why that year? Why why not 2035,

[1:45:52] you know, or not? Why not 20,

[1:45:55] you know, 2028 or 2029? They're on and

[1:46:00] World Economic Forum is targeted 2030.

[1:46:02] And so many people are looking at 2030

[1:46:04] is something is incoming

[1:46:07] in the year 2030 and the powers that be

[1:46:10] are jockeying for position of control

[1:46:13] and power before that something occurs.

[1:46:17] uh and I think the Mayan calendar is

[1:46:20] giving us insight into what that is that

[1:46:23] we can expect as well as the Hindu

[1:46:25] traditions. We're definitely in the

[1:46:27] Kaliuga and you know different phases of

[1:46:29] the Kaluga. I was with the um some of

[1:46:33] the native North American traditions as

[1:46:36] well. The Hopi prophecy rock uh shows us

[1:46:39] we have had two great shakings in our

[1:46:42] past. They call the first and second

[1:46:44] world war.

[1:46:46] There's a point on their petroglyph

[1:46:49] timeline that we have now passed and in

[1:46:53] front of us lies a third great shaking.

[1:46:56] And when I have asked the elders in the

[1:46:58] past, I says that what does that mean?

[1:46:59] What is the shaking? Does that mean a

[1:47:01] war? And they said we don't know. They

[1:47:03] said it it's a a shift. Um but we don't

[1:47:06] know for sure what that will mean. When

[1:47:09] I'm in the Yucatan and I talk to the the

[1:47:12] Mayan elders and we look at the the

[1:47:15] Mayan calendar, it shows four worlds

[1:47:18] before ours, 5,000year cycles. And then

[1:47:21] the fifth world is that face right in

[1:47:22] the center. Each of those four worlds

[1:47:26] has a a petroglyph

[1:47:28] that describes how that world ended. So

[1:47:32] there was a world that ended in wind and

[1:47:34] one that ended in fire, one that ended

[1:47:37] in ice and one that ended in a flood.

[1:47:40] And I say, "Okay, the petetroglyph in

[1:47:42] the middle, that face, how's this world

[1:47:45] end?" And they said, "That is the

[1:47:46] petetroglyph for movement."

[1:47:49] And I said, "What does that mean?" And

[1:47:51] they said, "We don't know." I said, "Are

[1:47:54] you talking about like does the earth

[1:47:56] move or is there a, you know, a shift in

[1:47:59] the land?" They said it could be a

[1:48:02] movement of consciousness. It could be a

[1:48:04] movement of people, a migration. It

[1:48:06] could be a movement of the earth. We

[1:48:07] don't know. We just know that that is

[1:48:10] the petetroglyph for movement. They're

[1:48:11] very honest about that. So those

[1:48:15] traditions, they're all pointing to

[1:48:17] sometime in our very near future as

[1:48:20] being uh some kind of an energetic

[1:48:23] reset.

[1:48:25] And this is part of the bigger

[1:48:26] conversation. If we are in a simulation,

[1:48:28] it makes sense that every once in a

[1:48:30] while we would go through some kind of

[1:48:32] of a reset. Not the end, just a change.

[1:48:37] And I think what we're all learning is

[1:48:40] by being the best version of ourselves,

[1:48:43] by accessing our divinity,

[1:48:45] celebrating our divinity, our

[1:48:47] imagination, our creativity.

[1:48:50] Uh,

[1:48:53] I use this word a lot, the deep truth of

[1:48:55] what it means to be human, our healing,

[1:48:58] our love, our forgiveness, all of those

[1:49:01] qualities. By doing that, we are

[1:49:03] prepared for that reset whenever it

[1:49:07] happens. Rather than being afraid of the

[1:49:09] reset and trying to defend against or

[1:49:13] some way, there are scientists now that

[1:49:15] believe they can stop the reset. uh they

[1:49:18] want to change there are proposals right

[1:49:21] now because we have the technology. They

[1:49:23] want to change the orbit of our planet

[1:49:26] to shift our relationship to the sun and

[1:49:30] the center of the Milky Way so that we

[1:49:32] shift our relationship to time. In my

[1:49:35] opinion, there are some things we

[1:49:36] shouldn't mess with. Okay. Human genome

[1:49:39] is one of those and the orbit of Earth

[1:49:41] in space.

[1:49:42] That's wild.

[1:49:43] Well, it is wild, but it's an example.

[1:49:45] It's insane, Andre. It's like kids

[1:49:48] playing with toys. They unlock

[1:49:52] just enough of the mystery to be able to

[1:49:55] tweak that mystery without thinking it

[1:49:57] through. Without thinking through what

[1:50:00] are the consequences?

[1:50:02] Is this a responsible thing to do? Is it

[1:50:05] moral thing to do? Do we have the right

[1:50:07] to do this? And uh and this is where I I

[1:50:11] come to blows with some of my scientific

[1:50:13] friends because I I believe that there

[1:50:16] is a moral imperative to preserve our

[1:50:19] humanness and to preserve the planet. To

[1:50:21] preserve the planet just because we can

[1:50:23] doesn't mean we should.

[1:50:25] So the simulation conversation is very

[1:50:28] revealing into the ephemeral nature that

[1:50:30] is our reality. and um I think is very

[1:50:33] interesting and also like we just kind

[1:50:35] of briefly mentioned how these you know

[1:50:38] through the place to scene geological

[1:50:40] era the comet strike and the end of

[1:50:42] civilizations that have occurred

[1:50:44] previously uh

[1:50:47] the consilian between Sumerians ancient

[1:50:51] Egypt a lot of these point towards this

[1:50:54] mother civilization and um civilizations

[1:50:57] that had much more advanced technology

[1:51:00] than any people in in the modern uh

[1:51:03] academia world right now would

[1:51:05] like to explore. Um but I think it's

[1:51:08] really important because in many ways of

[1:51:11] time in in this kind of humanities and

[1:51:13] this cyclical flow what is coming is

[1:51:16] also what we've experienced in the past

[1:51:18] in these ancient civilizations. And so I

[1:51:20] just want to reflect a little bit more

[1:51:22] on

[1:51:23] these ancient technologies and

[1:51:24] civilizations that could have existed

[1:51:27] that also point to what occurred a

[1:51:29] couple hundred thousand years ago. And

[1:51:31] um and so what do you Yeah. What do you

[1:51:33] see as a as a strong possibility for

[1:51:35] these ancient mother civilizations?

[1:51:40] Earth is not what we've been told and

[1:51:43] our past is not what we've been told and

[1:51:47] we are more than we've been led to

[1:51:50] believe. And I think all that's being

[1:51:52] revealed right now. I I think some of

[1:51:55] the most revealing evidence is not even

[1:51:58] on Earth. It's on the moon. Uh and the

[1:52:01] moon itself. There's a growing body of

[1:52:03] evidence to suggest that the the moon is

[1:52:06] an artificial body that it was

[1:52:08] engineered. Uh I just did a um a video

[1:52:12] on this recently, an interview. And I

[1:52:15] mean it's fascinating. One of the things

[1:52:18] I mean it's so deep I'm not even sure

[1:52:19] where to begin here. One of the first

[1:52:21] things that scientists noticed is we all

[1:52:24] know the moon is covered in meteorites.

[1:52:28] big ones, small ones, overlapping ones,

[1:52:31] but they will not go below a certain

[1:52:34] depth. They're hitting something that

[1:52:37] doesn't allow them to go below a certain

[1:52:39] depth. Uh in the 60s and then again in

[1:52:43] the '9s, scientists

[1:52:46] did things that they weren't really

[1:52:48] supposed to do on the moon. One of those

[1:52:50] is that they um they sent a missile in

[1:52:55] the '9s to the moon to a crater, a very

[1:52:58] specific crater in the moon. There's a

[1:52:59] lot of controversy around what happened,

[1:53:02] but when that missile hit, uh the

[1:53:06] seismic recorders picked up that the

[1:53:09] moon was ringing like a bell for hours,

[1:53:13] which is not what a solid planet would

[1:53:15] do. Uh, and there's the reports have

[1:53:19] been declassified through Freedman

[1:53:20] Information. You can find them find them

[1:53:22] on the internet. The um the samples that

[1:53:26] the astronauts brought back. I had the

[1:53:28] opportunity to tour with Ed Mitchell in

[1:53:30] the '9s as well before he he passed was

[1:53:33] the founder of the Institute of Noetic

[1:53:35] Sciences, sixman to walk on the moon.

[1:53:38] And we did go to the moon and he did

[1:53:41] walk on the moon. Uh I'm not sure we

[1:53:44] went at exactly the very first time,

[1:53:47] exactly the way we said, but we

[1:53:49] definitely have have been to the moon.

[1:53:52] One of the things that they found when

[1:53:54] they brought the soil samples back is

[1:53:56] that there are materials in those

[1:53:59] samples that are not formed in nature.

[1:54:03] Uh they're artificial materials, metals

[1:54:06] that do not form in nature. And there

[1:54:09] they are in in the soil. The orbit of

[1:54:12] the moon is anomalous to any other moon

[1:54:16] to its planet in our solar system in the

[1:54:18] sense that it is offset just enough to

[1:54:22] create the tidal motion of the oceans

[1:54:25] that holds the earth

[1:54:28] uh relatively stable.

[1:54:31] And there are indigenous traditions,

[1:54:33] Andre, this is fascinating that I don't

[1:54:35] know how deep you want to go into all

[1:54:36] this, but they talk about the time

[1:54:38] possible.

[1:54:39] Well, there there are writings there are

[1:54:40] writings out there before they talk

[1:54:42] about the time before the moon existed.

[1:54:45] And before the moon existed, the tides

[1:54:48] were horrendous. They were 400 ft tides

[1:54:51] that would come and wash over over the

[1:54:54] land. And they do it on a rhythmic basis

[1:54:57] and it was a very unstable environment.

[1:54:59] the the moon is what stabilized that.

[1:55:01] But it can only happen other other moons

[1:55:06] are aligned with the equators of their

[1:55:07] planets. Our moon is not aligned with

[1:55:09] our equator. It's the only one that's

[1:55:10] not. It is offset at just the right

[1:55:13] angle to stabilize the ocean. What are

[1:55:16] the odds of that happening? you know,

[1:55:18] just by chance, the the number of of

[1:55:23] lunar

[1:55:26] circumferences between the Earth and the

[1:55:28] Moon. Uh, I didn't know we were going to

[1:55:31] talk about this. I don't have the

[1:55:32] numbers exact right now, but there's a

[1:55:34] very specific, it's a geometric ratio of

[1:55:37] how many moons fit between the Earth uh,

[1:55:40] and the Moon and the Moon and the Sun.

[1:55:42] I think it's 108.

[1:55:44] I'm thinking it's 108 because it's tied

[1:55:45] into the Buddhist traditions. And that's

[1:55:47] the 108 is the beads on the uh on the

[1:55:50] mala.

[1:55:51] And I mean it just goes on and on.

[1:55:53] There's so many factors that strongly

[1:55:56] suggest that the moon is uh is

[1:55:58] engineered. And as well as the two moons

[1:56:01] of of Mars, uh Daimos and and Phobos,

[1:56:03] which are are smaller and not spherical,

[1:56:07] but they also appear to be hollow and

[1:56:09] engineered.

[1:56:10] uh who was around engineering moons,

[1:56:14] you know, and how long ago could that

[1:56:16] have happened? And I think all of this

[1:56:19] when we look at the as a geologist,

[1:56:24] um

[1:56:26] okay, I didn't know we were going to

[1:56:27] talk about this, so we'll just do a a

[1:56:29] deep dive here.

[1:56:31] Um and I'll start at the center of

[1:56:36] the galaxy.

[1:56:38] Every once in a while there is a a burst

[1:56:43] of what's called a volley of cosmic

[1:56:45] energy that comes from the center of the

[1:56:48] Milky Way uh cosmic rays

[1:56:52] through

[1:56:54] through the through the solar system

[1:56:56] through the galaxy including our solar

[1:56:58] system.

[1:57:00] Cosmic rays are usually no big deal.

[1:57:02] Like we're getting cosmic rays right

[1:57:04] now. And because there's so much space

[1:57:06] between in our atoms, those cosmic rays,

[1:57:09] they pass right through us. No big deal.

[1:57:10] Like we're we're getting them right now.

[1:57:12] Everybody is.

[1:57:14] The center of our planet is so dense

[1:57:18] from the pressure of the planet and it

[1:57:20] is so hot that when those cosmic ray

[1:57:23] volleys when they hit the center of the

[1:57:26] earth, they can't pass through. And what

[1:57:28] they do is they end up heating up the

[1:57:30] core. It's called perturbance.

[1:57:32] uh and the the core actually heats and

[1:57:35] it shifts

[1:57:37] its location. So when you look at the

[1:57:39] cross-section of the earth, here's

[1:57:40] here's the core of the earth which is

[1:57:44] believed to be iron and nickel solid

[1:57:46] iron nickel core. Now recently, just

[1:57:49] within the last few months, geologists

[1:57:51] believe that there's a core inside of

[1:57:53] that made of something even denser. They

[1:57:55] don't know what it is. So right now the

[1:57:58] core of the earth it's dense iron nickel

[1:58:02] that's the inner core. The outer core is

[1:58:04] a molten core and the inner core kind of

[1:58:07] floats in that outer core. And then

[1:58:12] beyond that we have the mantle. It's

[1:58:14] about 1,800 miles thick. And then beyond

[1:58:17] that we have the crust that we live on.

[1:58:19] It's only about 36 miles thick. The

[1:58:21] average depth of the crust is about 36

[1:58:23] miles.

[1:58:24] So when those cosmic ray volleys come

[1:58:27] in, they can't pass through the core.

[1:58:31] What they do is they heat it up uh and

[1:58:34] it begins to change its rotation and

[1:58:37] where it is in the molten outer core

[1:58:41] that those ripples those pertabbations

[1:58:44] are then translated into the mantle and

[1:58:48] the mantle begins to upwell into the

[1:58:51] crust in places where it hasn't in the

[1:58:55] past. usually along fault lines where

[1:58:58] it's thin, the crust is thin and and

[1:59:00] where it's weak. So scientists now have

[1:59:04] and u I've got images of these. You can

[1:59:06] see there are what are called mantle

[1:59:08] plumes

[1:59:10] where the mantle

[1:59:13] uh is is leaking this molten

[1:59:18] stuff. Uh and it's there's one big plume

[1:59:21] in the Pacific and one right under the

[1:59:23] Middle East underneath Turkey and

[1:59:25] Pakistan and where the big earthquakes

[1:59:28] have happened and one right under in the

[1:59:31] Pacific where the earthquakes are are

[1:59:32] happening right now as well. So here's

[1:59:35] where this gets interesting. That cosmic

[1:59:37] ray volley happens about every 26,000

[1:59:41] years.

[1:59:42] And it takes about 26,000 years for the

[1:59:47] cosmic rays to travel from the center of

[1:59:49] our Milky Way to reach our planet. 2012

[1:59:52] was actually talking about the cosmic

[1:59:56] ray volley coming into the earth.

[2:00:00] When this happens, it heats the earth

[2:00:02] from the inside and this causes the

[2:00:04] climate change. It's very controversial.

[2:00:07] Humans are not causing the climate

[2:00:08] change. We're contributing. We have to

[2:00:11] because we're kicking stuff into the

[2:00:13] atmosphere. But here's the thing. The

[2:00:16] oceans are producing the CO2 that

[2:00:19] scientists are are measuring. And let me

[2:00:22] just give you some ideas. About 330

[2:00:25] gigatons per year come from the ocean.

[2:00:27] About 43 gigatons come from us and our

[2:00:30] cars. I mean, you can see the the

[2:00:32] magnitude.

[2:00:34] And the oceans are actually warming from

[2:00:37] underneath.

[2:00:38] If it were humancaused CO2, the

[2:00:42] atmosphere would be warming the oceans

[2:00:44] from the top down. That's not what's

[2:00:45] happening. The glaciers are melting.

[2:00:46] Greenland's melting from underneath.

[2:00:48] Antarctica is melting from underneath.

[2:00:50] Uh the scientists that know this, it

[2:00:54] it's been politicized and it's hard to

[2:00:56] talk about it.

[2:00:58] Rather than creating a war against

[2:01:01] climate change that we didn't cause, in

[2:01:03] my opinion, what we need to do is

[2:01:05] fortify.

[2:01:07] And there are things that we can do to

[2:01:10] mitigate that climate change. We can

[2:01:13] bury our our power grids, for example,

[2:01:15] so they're not susceptible to the the

[2:01:17] cold or,

[2:01:19] you know, the hurricanes or whatever it

[2:01:20] is that that's happening. But this this

[2:01:22] is something that um that we can expect

[2:01:25] over these next few years, more

[2:01:27] earthquakes, and that we've seen more

[2:01:29] earthquakes magnitude six and above in

[2:01:31] the last 20 years at these plate

[2:01:33] junctions. So in the Middle East there's

[2:01:35] a it's a triple plate junction, three

[2:01:37] plates coming together right underneath

[2:01:39] Turkey, 7.8 magnitude. Uh then they had

[2:01:42] one in Pakistan.

[2:01:44] I think it was 2019 or 2020 it was 7 7.6

[2:01:48] or something like that. And it's almost

[2:01:52] once it happens on one side like in the

[2:01:54] Pacific you'll see it happen on the

[2:01:56] other side as well. So the good news

[2:01:58] we're in California right now and we're

[2:02:01] on one of those plate junctions. The

[2:02:03] good news in California is that

[2:02:06] underneath the way our plates are coming

[2:02:08] together, you typically don't get a big

[2:02:11] earthquake. What you get is a continuous

[2:02:14] low rumble. You can't tell where one

[2:02:17] stops, another one starts, but they're

[2:02:20] all magnitude one to two, maybe three.

[2:02:23] So there's a a constant steady release

[2:02:26] of energy which is good rather than

[2:02:29] everything being quiet and building up

[2:02:30] and all of a sudden you know you don't

[2:02:32] want that.

[2:02:33] So

[2:02:35] so we know that this happens about every

[2:02:38] 12,000 years. 12,000 years ago

[2:02:43] uh it creates a lot of volcanic activity

[2:02:47] and every 12,000 years we have what is

[2:02:50] called a a super volcano.

[2:02:53] Uh we've got one that happened 12,000

[2:02:55] years ago. We've got one that happened

[2:02:56] 24,000 years ago. You can you can go

[2:02:58] back and see. And it's that super

[2:03:02] volcano that kicks up the sulfur dioxide

[2:03:06] into the atmosphere that actually brings

[2:03:08] about the cooling that we are going into

[2:03:10] now. Earth is actually going into a

[2:03:12] cooling. And you notice they are not

[2:03:14] calling it global warming anymore. They

[2:03:16] they dropped that term because they know

[2:03:18] we're cooling. They're just calling it

[2:03:19] climate change. So, we've seen a history

[2:03:22] of this. This ties into what you're

[2:03:24] talking about. Ancient civilizations

[2:03:26] rise and fall and have been obliterated

[2:03:30] during the times that uh that we've gone

[2:03:33] through these big these big shifts.

[2:03:37] Some of them um

[2:03:39] have uh we're now finding them

[2:03:41] underneath massive mudslides. For

[2:03:44] example, there are satellite images

[2:03:47] showing on the west coast of the United

[2:03:49] States um the the river flows from the

[2:03:54] Rockies out into the Pacific, for

[2:03:56] example, and underneath that these

[2:03:59] massive mud flows, they're finding

[2:04:00] archaeological remnants of advanced

[2:04:02] civilizations that people want to talk

[2:04:04] about. Antarctica

[2:04:06] is an example. Uh the ice covering

[2:04:10] Antarctica right now

[2:04:13] when the Earth was warming, the ice was

[2:04:16] melting, allowing satellite penetration

[2:04:19] into the ice. And what they found, and

[2:04:21] these weren't like primitive huts. These

[2:04:22] are massive, complex archaeological

[2:04:25] structures. If you go to Google Earth

[2:04:28] right now, there's a big part of

[2:04:29] Antarctica that's pixelated out. They

[2:04:31] won't let you see it. I have images

[2:04:33] before they pixelated. And you can see

[2:04:36] in archaeology

[2:04:38] when you see a 90deree angle, nature

[2:04:40] doesn't carve 90° angles. So wind

[2:04:44] it's called uh aolon erosion, fluial

[2:04:47] erosion, water erosion, they never

[2:04:48] happen in 90° angles. And what you see

[2:04:51] are massive 90° angles, huge complexes

[2:04:54] underneath the ice. and some of them

[2:04:56] sticking up out of the ice, big walls,

[2:04:58] as well as four-sided pyramids, uh two

[2:05:03] uh 2 km by 2 km by 2 km by 2 km, the

[2:05:06] massive structures down there, and the

[2:05:10] ice has been there 20,000 years. So, you

[2:05:13] say, well, either someone, as a

[2:05:15] scientist, you have to say this, either

[2:05:17] someone built in the ice or those

[2:05:20] structures were there before the ice

[2:05:22] occurred. And these that ice happened at

[2:05:26] two cycles ago, 12,000year cycles ago.

[2:05:29] So we are uh 12,000 to 13,000 is half of

[2:05:35] one of those cosmic ray volleys. So you

[2:05:39] get the the incoming the lesser of the

[2:05:41] volley and then you get the full volley.

[2:05:43] So when we look at the history of the

[2:05:45] earth,

[2:05:47] what we are conditioned to do, we go

[2:05:49] back 5,000 years

[2:05:51] and we're saying civilization began

[2:05:53] 5,000 years ago. That's the most recent

[2:05:57] cycle

[2:05:58] uh of civilization. And you can actually

[2:06:02] plot these out on a I've done this plot

[2:06:04] these out on a graph and you see the

[2:06:06] Incan and the Aztec and the Maya and you

[2:06:09] know Rome and Greece and Egypt and and

[2:06:12] Samaria is where we say it began about

[2:06:13] 5,000 years ago and we're taught that's

[2:06:16] the history history of the world. Well,

[2:06:17] it's the history of that 5,000 year

[2:06:20] cycle. Now you go back and you look at

[2:06:22] the new discoveries goepe 13,000

[2:06:26] plus years before present. Um the great

[2:06:31] sphinx in Egypt is now being dated

[2:06:33] around 9 9 to 12,000 BP before present.

[2:06:36] Certainly the pyramid the watermarks on

[2:06:38] the pyramid are showing the erosion uh

[2:06:41] when the from when the ice melted. It

[2:06:43] means the pyramids were there when the

[2:06:44] ice melted you know 12 12,000 years ago.

[2:06:49] So there's a whole story that's

[2:06:51] beginning to to unfold that it goes back

[2:06:54] I think so much further than we've been

[2:06:58] led to believe. Now you look at the

[2:06:59] texts. You look at the kings list for

[2:07:03] example ancient Sumeriia

[2:07:06] and what you see it's really

[2:07:09] interesting. Andre have you are you

[2:07:10] familiar with the kings?

[2:07:11] I'm not.

[2:07:11] It's an archaeological remnant. It's a

[2:07:14] stellar beautiful stella. Uh it is in

[2:07:18] cuniform

[2:07:19] and it lists the kings

[2:07:22] that have ruled and some of them were

[2:07:25] ruling for periods of thousands of

[2:07:27] years. And then it lists the great flood

[2:07:30] clearly and then the rulers after began

[2:07:35] to rule only in in terms of decades or

[2:07:39] multiple decades. Now the interesting

[2:07:42] thing about the king's list is that from

[2:07:45] the time of the flood forward, every one

[2:07:48] of those rulers, their names, the length

[2:07:52] of time that they ruled is right on.

[2:07:54] It's absolutely accurate. the times

[2:07:56] before that archaeologists say, "Well,

[2:07:58] that's a story because nobody could

[2:08:01] nobody could live to 900 years old.

[2:08:03] Nobody could rule, you know, for for,

[2:08:07] you know, thousands of years. Nobody

[2:08:08] could live that long. So they they don't

[2:08:11] accept

[2:08:12] what happened before that, although they

[2:08:15] do accept because it's archaeologically

[2:08:17] proven what happened after that." Well,

[2:08:21] when you compare that list, and that's

[2:08:22] one archaeological

[2:08:24] example with what we see geologically,

[2:08:28] now you're beginning to to tell the

[2:08:30] whole story is that there have been

[2:08:31] advanced civilizations.

[2:08:34] And if we're to believe the um

[2:08:37] the Sumerian texts, they were seated

[2:08:41] from uh another world. and they are the

[2:08:45] ones that are responsible for our our

[2:08:48] genetic intervention if if that's what

[2:08:51] you want to to call that and this is

[2:08:53] what Sitchin was talking about and and

[2:08:55] others have have talked about this as

[2:08:57] well. So uh I think Antarctica is the

[2:09:01] big tell right now there's a lot of

[2:09:04] conversation around it.

[2:09:06] It's really interesting because it was

[2:09:09] declared in the during the the cold war

[2:09:12] neutral that no one could own

[2:09:14] Antarctica.

[2:09:16] Uh World War II, Germany started

[2:09:19] building bases, military bases. Then

[2:09:21] America did. Now China and you know a

[2:09:23] lot of countries have military bases.

[2:09:26] Iran has recently claimed Antarctica as

[2:09:29] Iranian

[2:09:32] uh an Iranian continent. And this just

[2:09:35] happened a couple of weeks ago. And so,

[2:09:38] you know, I think but they won't let

[2:09:40] people down there. If you try to go down

[2:09:42] as a reporter and go to the interior of

[2:09:44] the continent, you're not allowed to to

[2:09:45] go into the continent.

[2:09:47] What uh people I know that have been

[2:09:49] there, what they say is once you go

[2:09:50] through the ice on the perimeter.

[2:09:53] Uh that's not what's happening on the

[2:09:54] inside. It is it's desert. 0% humidity.

[2:09:59] I don't even know what that feels like.

[2:10:01] uh no magnetic field there because of

[2:10:05] the way the magnetic poles you're in the

[2:10:08] place in between. That would be a really

[2:10:10] interesting

[2:10:12] uh experience to feel what our bodies

[2:10:15] because we're deeply attuned to magnetic

[2:10:17] fields. What would it feel like to be in

[2:10:19] the absence of a magnetic field? You

[2:10:21] couldn't take a you know your phone,

[2:10:23] your computer, things like that.

[2:10:24] Probably I don't think they would work

[2:10:26] there. So you couldn't you couldn't do a

[2:10:29] u a FaceTime from from where that's

[2:10:32] happening. So, but I think the evidence

[2:10:36] suggests that these changes happen so

[2:10:38] quickly

[2:10:40] that whatever is in place is frozen in

[2:10:44] time. It's locked in time. So, for

[2:10:47] example, in Siberia, as a geologist,

[2:10:50] we've seen this for years. The woolly

[2:10:52] mammoths, they're now um

[2:10:55] u they're gone.

[2:10:58] But there are and it's not just one or

[2:10:59] two. They found a lot of them there.

[2:11:01] They were like in the middle of a step

[2:11:03] and they were frozen or they still had

[2:11:05] grass in their mouth. They hadn't even

[2:11:06] swallowed the grass. And the temperature

[2:11:10] dropped so quickly uh that they were

[2:11:12] just frozen in place and then covered

[2:11:14] over in in the glaciers. That appeared

[2:11:17] to have happened in Antarctica. It was a

[2:11:19] lush green tropical continent.

[2:11:23] uh and until one of these shifts

[2:11:26] happened. And when the shifts happened

[2:11:29] and the all of the geohysical

[2:11:32] parameters, the magnetic poles wandering

[2:11:34] and and all of those things,

[2:11:37] whatever was there is frozen in place.

[2:11:40] So presumably

[2:11:42] we may have the most intact of the most

[2:11:46] ancient

[2:11:48] of archaeological remnants of ancient

[2:11:50] civilizations.

[2:11:53] uh from wherever they came from,

[2:11:56] including their technology, their

[2:11:57] propulsion systems, their craft, um

[2:12:00] their agriculture, everything preserved

[2:12:03] in the ice. And I I think that is the

[2:12:05] controversy.

[2:12:07] That's why they're they don't want

[2:12:10] people down there. Are you familiar with

[2:12:12] the with Gerchief, the philosopher

[2:12:14] Gerchief? Okay. We were talking about

[2:12:16] him last week

[2:12:17] when he uh so I won't go into detail

[2:12:20] because you have to see last week's

[2:12:21] podcast.

[2:12:23] Who who was talking about it last?

[2:12:24] Robert Gilbert.

[2:12:25] Robert. Okay.

[2:12:26] Yeah.

[2:12:26] Um he talked about a place uh in the in

[2:12:32] the Middle East in the Far East actually

[2:12:35] a monastery

[2:12:37] um where he went to to learn what it is

[2:12:41] that he learned.

[2:12:44] There are other monasteries

[2:12:46] um when after the crucifixion of Jesus

[2:12:51] the Essenes

[2:12:54] were persecuted and they fled to four

[2:12:56] corners of the earth. They went into the

[2:12:59] highlands of central China what is now

[2:13:01] in Tibet. Uh they went into

[2:13:05] uh well into North America and there's

[2:13:09] evidence of those in the desert

[2:13:10] southwest. That's a whole conversation

[2:13:13] around that. They went to Egypt and they

[2:13:16] went into a part of South America that

[2:13:18] is near the border

[2:13:21] of Bolivia and Peru. It's a really

[2:13:24] heavily dense jungle.

[2:13:27] And there are two monasteries. One is an

[2:13:30] outer monastery

[2:13:32] where if people are lucky enough to find

[2:13:34] it, they'll be allowed to leave. The

[2:13:37] inner monastery. The way they keep it

[2:13:39] secret is if anyone ever finds that

[2:13:41] monastery,

[2:13:42] they're invited to stay for the rest of

[2:13:44] their lives and not allowed to leave.

[2:13:48] And that's how they keep it secret. And

[2:13:49] the way to get to that monastery is

[2:13:51] through um a native people in uh in the

[2:13:57] southern part of Peru. And it's highly

[2:13:59] highly protected, very protected down

[2:14:01] there right now.

[2:14:02] So fascinating. There's so much mystery

[2:14:05] about around Shambala, around these

[2:14:07] ancient temples and sites and

[2:14:10] I hear I hear there's one in your

[2:14:11] basement. Is that true?

[2:14:12] Yeah, that's what I hear. Uh, so man, we

[2:14:17] I mean there's a lot we just opened up

[2:14:18] there. I think all of this ultimately

[2:14:20] and I'd love to try our best to kind of

[2:14:21] tie into where we started this

[2:14:22] conversation with

[2:14:25] all these reflections about the

[2:14:26] possibilities of these ancient

[2:14:27] civilizations just point to me at least

[2:14:29] to how much we don't know how much the

[2:14:31] standard model has really closed off the

[2:14:33] potential of of these realities and

[2:14:37] reflects on the true nature of of who we

[2:14:39] are where we came from and that also

[2:14:42] points to where we are going and what we

[2:14:44] should protect within our own humanness

[2:14:46] that we were talking to earlier. Sure.

[2:14:48] So, help me kind of tie this back into

[2:14:50] where we started. And then we're what

[2:14:52] we're going to do is soon take a break

[2:14:56] and we're going to do a second podcast

[2:14:57] which is going to come out the following

[2:14:59] week from when we're releasing this one

[2:15:01] and dive deeper into the human

[2:15:02] potential, the intelligence of the heart

[2:15:04] and really unlocking that. So, so yeah,

[2:15:08] I'm just going to kind of throw back,

[2:15:10] you know, I think it we covered a lot of

[2:15:12] details for one big story. same story.

[2:15:18] And there's so many interesting

[2:15:21] avenues

[2:15:22] that we can pursue. I think it's

[2:15:24] important not to get lost in that

[2:15:27] pursuit. Not not to get lost in I'm sure

[2:15:30] for some people they're fascinated by

[2:15:31] Antarctica and they think that's the

[2:15:32] whole story, but that's a piece the

[2:15:35] bigger story. And I think what is

[2:15:36] important

[2:15:38] and the way I'd like to to close what

[2:15:40] we're doing now is that we are the

[2:15:41] story. We're the prize. We are the

[2:15:44] prize. And I began saying this and now

[2:15:47] maybe it'll make even more sense.

[2:15:50] There is a fundamental battle between

[2:15:53] good and evil that is playing out

[2:15:57] to

[2:16:00] to capture our humanity because our

[2:16:03] humanity is the conduit to our divinity.

[2:16:06] Ultimately, it's a battle for our

[2:16:07] divinity. But divinity

[2:16:10] isn't something that you can touch

[2:16:13] and hold in your hand.

[2:16:16] The human body, the temple is. So the

[2:16:21] battle that's unfolding has been

[2:16:22] unfolding through all of the

[2:16:24] civilizations that we've talked about in

[2:16:27] different ways. Uh different levels of

[2:16:30] power, different levels of control,

[2:16:32] different levels of fear, different

[2:16:34] levels of transcending that fear. not

[2:16:37] surviving but transcending that fear.

[2:16:39] And it comes down to our humanness and

[2:16:44] our willingness to embrace just how

[2:16:48] rare, how precious, how special, how

[2:16:51] sacred

[2:16:53] we are as a species

[2:16:56] and that we're worth preserving. In my

[2:16:58] opinion, I think there's something

[2:17:01] amidst all the dysfunction and all the

[2:17:04] hurt and all the anger and all the

[2:17:06] suffering. There's an essence that I

[2:17:09] think is is worth preserving. One of the

[2:17:11] things that psychologists have found is

[2:17:13] that we are actually a kind, gentle, and

[2:17:16] benevolent species.

[2:17:20] And people look around and say, "What

[2:17:21] are you talking about?"

[2:17:23] There are three conditions

[2:17:26] where we will betray our truest nature.

[2:17:29] Our truest nature is kindness,

[2:17:31] forgiveness. I think we all sense that

[2:17:33] we're good. We're a good species. We're

[2:17:35] good people.

[2:17:39] When we feel personally threatened, we

[2:17:43] will lash out and betray our truest

[2:17:45] nature and hurt others. When we feel

[2:17:49] that our families or our loved ones are

[2:17:51] threatened or when we feel that our way

[2:17:54] of life is threatened, we will betray

[2:17:57] our truest nature. And you look at all

[2:17:59] of the war, all the hurt and the

[2:18:01] suffering in the world and they all fall

[2:18:03] into one of those three categories.

[2:18:05] People either feel personally

[2:18:07] threatened, their families or their way

[2:18:09] of life is being threatened.

[2:18:12] The Essenes said this in a beautiful

[2:18:13] way. Maybe this is how we'll we'll close

[2:18:16] it.

[2:18:17] They said the only difference between

[2:18:18] the angels in the heavens and the angels

[2:18:21] that walk this earth is that the angels

[2:18:24] in the heavens remember that they're

[2:18:27] angels.

[2:18:29] And what that invites us to consider is

[2:18:32] that we are literally

[2:18:34] we are the angels walking this earth and

[2:18:37] that we've gotten lost in our hurt, in

[2:18:40] our suffering. And it's through our

[2:18:42] divinity that we transcend. Triumph, not

[2:18:45] win. triumph over all of that. But it

[2:18:49] all begins with honoring the gift of our

[2:18:52] bodies. And I think that's the

[2:18:54] invitation that's up for all of us right

[2:18:55] now.

[2:18:56] Greg, you're such an incredible ortor,

[2:18:58] communicator of these ideas and really

[2:19:00] to be able to synthesize them to be able

[2:19:04] to explain in layman's terms what's

[2:19:06] going on. And there's so many mysteries

[2:19:08] and avenues we can keep diving down. I

[2:19:10] mean, I could speak to you for 12 hours

[2:19:11] straight about all this, and I'm sure we

[2:19:13] will in in due time, but that reflection

[2:19:15] is very potent that perhaps we are

[2:19:18] angels on earth that have forgotten, and

[2:19:20] we're on this process of remembering.

[2:19:22] And I would love for this next

[2:19:24] conversation for people to tune into

[2:19:26] next week, unveiling that process of

[2:19:28] remembering. So, thank you so much for

[2:19:31] diving with me in this conversation.

[2:19:33] Thank you for sharing the journey and

[2:19:34] allowing me. I'm just realizing I spoke

[2:19:36] a lot more than you did. So, thank you

[2:19:37] for allowing long answers to short

[2:19:40] questions and I look forward to our next

[2:19:42] I could listen to you all day. So, I'm

[2:19:43] happy with it and excited to keep diving

[2:19:45] deeper. Everyone who's tuning in, thank

[2:19:47] you for tuning in and let us know how

[2:19:49] this episode uniquely impacted you. I'm

[2:19:51] excited for next week you guys to tune

[2:19:53] in to the continuation of this dialogue

[2:19:55] between Greg and I. Thank you for coming

[2:19:57] on this journey. Until next time, keep

[2:19:58] on

[2:20:00] [Music]

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André Duqum hosts the Know Thyself Podcast, a long-form interview program exploring philosophy, self-inquiry, and liberation from psychological illusion. His work centers on what h…

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