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[0:00] There's a battle playing out for our
[0:02] very humanness. It sets the context for
[0:06] every event that is unfolding in our
[0:08] world. There's something deep within
[0:11] each of us so powerful, so precious that
[0:14] nations will go to war with other
[0:16] nations to keep us distracted. There is
[0:19] a movement to replace our bodies with
[0:22] synthetics, chemicals in the blood,
[0:24] sensors under the skin, computer chips
[0:25] in the brain, artificial intelligence.
[0:27] It steals from us our ability to access
[0:30] this part of us. We're about to give our
[0:32] humanness away to the technology before
[0:34] we even know what it means to be fully
[0:36] human. And we are more than we've been
[0:38] led to believe. So, I want to be very
[0:41] clear. Evolution is a fact. It breaks
[0:43] down when it comes to humans. Something
[0:45] happened. Scientists now know this, but
[0:48] they don't know what to do with what
[0:50] they have found. The way that it
[0:51] happened is that it's by crossing the
[0:54] traditional boundaries that we gain new
[0:56] wisdom that leads us beyond the boxes.
[0:59] We owe it to ourselves to find out who
[1:02] we are and what it means to be human
[1:03] before we give it away forever. Here's
[1:05] the beauty.
[1:12] Hey everyone, welcome back to Know
[1:14] Thyself. Today we have the pleasure and
[1:16] honor and privilege to sit down with a
[1:18] five-time New York Times bestselling
[1:20] author, a former geologist by degree and
[1:24] somebody who is an international
[1:26] educator in human potential and social
[1:30] politics and science. And he's one of
[1:32] the most prominent pivotal thought
[1:35] leaders I personally believe for giving
[1:38] context of where we're currently at
[1:39] right now um in terms of humanity, where
[1:42] we come from, where we're going. And
[1:43] this conversation is going to be filled
[1:45] with reflections on transhumanism.
[1:48] Uh the fight for our own divinity and
[1:51] humanity.
[1:53] Uh we're going to be exploring the
[1:55] possibility of where we came from,
[1:56] ancient civilizations, and much much
[1:58] more. So Greg Braden, thank you so much
[2:00] for being here.
[2:01] Andre, I am so excited to be with you.
[2:02] This first time we have worked together.
[2:05] First time I've had the privilege of
[2:06] working with you. This is completely
[2:08] unscripted. I have no idea where we're
[2:10] going to go. And that's what makes it so
[2:11] exciting. And if I can say this, it's a
[2:13] very auspicious day. The eclipse uh
[2:16] happened on my drive over and uh set the
[2:19] tone for everything we're going to do
[2:20] today. So, thank you for the invitation.
[2:22] And my brother, this is a dance. I'm
[2:24] going to follow your lead.
[2:25] Yeah, absolutely. Well, let's follow the
[2:27] powerful energy of the solar eclipse
[2:29] today. And uh you know I want to start
[2:32] out with this reflection and and hear
[2:35] your thoughts on what is this battle for
[2:36] our humanity and our humanness that is
[2:39] such an important reflection as the
[2:41] inevitable advent and rise of AGI and
[2:44] merging of technology with human biology
[2:47] is upon us and is happening day by day
[2:49] now new things are unfolding. Uh I would
[2:51] love for you to set the context of what
[2:53] that battle is. You know, it's a perfect
[2:55] place to begin because truly it is the
[2:58] umbrella under which every event bar
[3:01] none in our lives and our world is
[3:04] unfolding.
[3:05] There there's a battle. It's an ancient
[3:08] battle. Some people would frame it as a
[3:10] battle between good and evil or light
[3:13] and dark originally perceived as good
[3:16] and evil. Ultimately, light and dark are
[3:18] are simply energies until we give them
[3:21] the significance that we give to them.
[3:23] But there isn't an ancient battle
[3:26] playing out. It's not an obsolete
[3:28] battle. It's playing out before our very
[3:30] eyes today. And it sets the context for
[3:34] every event that is unfolding in our
[3:36] world. And so this is a perfect place to
[3:38] begin. We all know there's a battle for
[3:42] our thoughts. That's obvious. If you
[3:44] watch any network news, uh we've got
[3:48] commentators trying to tell us what to
[3:50] think and how to think and how to
[3:52] perceive the events in in our lives.
[3:55] Most people know that there's a battle
[3:56] for our beliefs. It's been playing out
[3:58] for a while in mainstream classrooms,
[4:01] mainstream textbooks, for example. How
[4:04] did the universe began? Is it a
[4:06] conscious and intelligent beginning or
[4:08] is it an inert dead random process that
[4:11] that we're living in? How did we begin?
[4:14] And we'll talk about this. Are we the
[4:15] product of random mutations and lucky
[4:18] biology as u as we're led to believe? Is
[4:21] there something else going on there?
[4:24] Those things are important, but they're
[4:25] all part of an even deeper battle. There
[4:28] is a battle for our very humanness that
[4:32] is unfolding right now. And that the
[4:35] humanness is the vehicle that allows an
[4:39] even deeper experience, Andre. And that
[4:42] experience for any of our viewers that
[4:44] may wonder how relevant this
[4:46] conversation really is. There's
[4:48] something deep within each of us that is
[4:52] so powerful, so precious,
[4:57] so sacred, so beautiful
[4:59] that nations will go to war with other
[5:02] nations to keep us distracted
[5:05] so that we don't know what this power is
[5:09] all about. Armies will defeat armies.
[5:12] Pandemics will be unleashed.
[5:15] We will see the collapse of societies.
[5:18] We will see the collapse of financial
[5:20] systems. All in an effort to keep us
[5:22] distracted
[5:24] from the sacredness of this power within
[5:27] us. So I'm I'm going to use a word and
[5:29] then we'll define it. It is the power of
[5:32] human divinity that is only possible
[5:35] through the biological body. And this is
[5:38] one of the reasons there's such a a move
[5:40] to replace our biology with synthetics
[5:43] and artificial intelligence. So the word
[5:45] is is divinity. It is divine. Our divine
[5:49] nature. Now when I use that word in
[5:52] public audiences, many people assume it
[5:55] has something to do with religion. And I
[5:57] can see why because there are schools
[5:59] for divinity where religion is is
[6:02] taught. But if you look at the
[6:04] definition of divinity, it it it's a
[6:07] deceptively simple definition. And it
[6:10] simply says that divinity is the power
[6:14] within us to transcend perceived
[6:17] limitations.
[6:19] And that's it. So I can see where
[6:22] religion would be wrapped around that
[6:24] concept. The the idea to transcend
[6:27] perceived limitations. I'm going to
[6:28] break this down just just a little bit.
[6:31] The idea of transcendence, it means not
[6:33] just to survive, but to become greater
[6:36] than, to become more than whatever it is
[6:39] that that life brings to our doorstep,
[6:42] the challenge that life brings to our
[6:43] doorstep. So, our ability to transcend
[6:47] perceived limitations. They may not even
[6:50] be real. They are the limitations that
[6:53] we have placed upon ourselves through
[6:55] our culture and our society,
[6:58] through our textbooks, through false
[7:00] science, through our culture, uh again
[7:03] our religion, but they may not even be
[7:06] real. So our divinity is the ability to
[7:09] become more than the worst challenges
[7:11] that life brings to our our doorstep.
[7:14] The reason it is such a powerful force
[7:17] within us is because through our
[7:19] divinity among the things we transcend
[7:22] is fear. Divinity is what empowers us to
[7:26] transcend our own fears. If we as
[7:29] individuals and as a society are not
[7:33] kept in fear, we are very very difficult
[7:35] to control because without the fear we
[7:39] have the freedom to love, create,
[7:42] innovate, express. These are all
[7:44] features of of divinity. I just want to
[7:47] give some examples of of what divinity
[7:50] is all about because for for some people
[7:52] it's this this esoteric concept,
[7:57] everyday divinity. We express it every
[7:58] day in our lives. I had the opportunity
[8:01] uh 2016 went to the the Grammy music
[8:04] awards and the they held them in New
[8:06] York that year. My wife is a voting
[8:09] member in the the Grammys and she
[8:12] invited me and I said yes.
[8:14] Very kind of her. It was very kind and
[8:16] um and I took advantage of the
[8:18] opportunity and and I met amazing people
[8:21] there and every opportunity I had I
[8:23] would ask the the musicians and the
[8:25] producers I would say when you wrote
[8:27] this amazing piece of music or when the
[8:31] the words for this song came through,
[8:34] can you tell me
[8:36] where did they come from? And every one
[8:38] of them Andre everyone to the teeth gave
[8:40] me the same answer. Everyone said it did
[8:43] not come from me. It came through me
[8:47] from somewhere else. Every one of them
[8:50] said they had to find a way to get out
[8:52] of the way to allow this deep
[8:56] inspiration to come through them. That
[8:58] is a familiar facet of of divinity.
[9:01] Artists say the same thing. If you talk
[9:03] to an artist, you know, who's done an
[9:04] amazing or a sculpture uh or a poet, I
[9:07] mean, they say the same thing. As a
[9:09] writer,
[9:10] uh, I have had this experience where I
[9:13] don't know what I'm going to write and I
[9:15] sit down and give myself the opportunity
[9:17] of either a blank piece of paper or now
[9:19] it's a blank computer screen and become
[9:22] very empty so that I can become very
[9:24] full of whatever it is that's going to
[9:26] come through. These are are expressions
[9:29] of of divinity. Divinity is a part of
[9:32] us. Our our divinity is the part of us
[9:34] that's ancient. It's timeless. It's
[9:36] ageless.
[9:37] Uh it is where our our creativity, our
[9:41] intuition, our imagination comes from
[9:43] and it's what sets us apart from every
[9:45] other form of life. And as we get in
[9:48] deeper into the biology of how it works,
[9:51] we can only access our divinity through
[9:55] our bodies, through the DNA antenna of
[10:00] our bodies and the cellular structure of
[10:01] our bodies. There is a movement to
[10:05] replace our bodies. The transhuman
[10:07] movement to replace our bodies with
[10:10] synthetics,
[10:12] with chemicals in the blood, sensors
[10:14] under the skin, computer chips in the
[10:15] brain, artificial intelligence,
[10:18] and by virtue of doing so, it steals
[10:23] from us our ability to access this part
[10:25] of us, our divinity. So what we're
[10:28] seeing playing out in the world today,
[10:29] whether you're looking at Ukraine and
[10:31] Russia and the role of America or you're
[10:34] looking at the Middle East, you're
[10:35] looking at Israel and the Palestinian
[10:38] uh tragedy that is the horrors that are
[10:41] are happening there and you look at
[10:43] everything happening all around that.
[10:46] People tend to think these are isolated
[10:48] spontaneous events and people say to me,
[10:50] "Wow, you know, isn't it amazing all
[10:52] these things are happening right now?"
[10:55] They're happening now because the battle
[10:58] for our divinity has intensified to such
[11:00] a degree uh that these are the events
[11:04] that it takes to keep us from that inner
[11:07] focus. Now, I'm not saying that
[11:09] everyone, every politician, every leader
[11:11] of every nation certainly is aware of
[11:13] what I'm saying. Many of them are pawns
[11:16] in this ancient battle of good and evil,
[11:18] of of light and dark. They don't even
[11:20] know that they're pawns because they're
[11:22] so wrapped up in the bubble of the level
[11:25] that they are playing this this very
[11:29] dark game within. But when you begin to
[11:32] step back and you look at the big
[11:34] picture,
[11:36] uh the evidence supports the story and
[11:39] it's very clear that this this battle is
[11:41] playing out. And the interesting thing
[11:45] to me when when you use the term battle,
[11:48] it's probably no longer even a good word
[11:51] because in battle
[11:53] it implies conflict.
[11:56] I believe that we now are at a point in
[11:59] our lives and our consciousness where we
[12:02] have the ability and the awareness to
[12:06] transcend. This is our divinity.
[12:08] If you don't engage in the battle, if
[12:11] you transcend the battle, then that is
[12:14] how not win but triumph. We when we talk
[12:18] about winning and losing, we're stuck in
[12:20] that old paradigm. We don't want to win
[12:22] or lose. We want to triumph to become
[12:24] more than. And the way that we do this
[12:26] is so interesting to me, is by living
[12:29] the best version of our lives. living
[12:31] the best version of ourselves, fully
[12:34] expressing perhaps for the first time in
[12:36] human history what it actually means to
[12:38] be human. And Andre, what the science is
[12:41] telling us is we don't even know what it
[12:43] means to be fully human because we've
[12:45] never expressed the depth and the
[12:48] breadth of our complete humanness. So as
[12:52] we move through this time in history,
[12:54] there are some that allow themselves to
[12:56] to become engaged in the distractions
[12:59] and the diversions and others who are
[13:02] recognizing it's not that we discount
[13:05] what's happening and not that we say
[13:06] it's not important. It's all important.
[13:09] But there is uh a science, there is a
[13:12] skill and there is an art to rising
[13:14] above
[13:16] living becoming the best version of
[13:17] ourselves. And in that way doing just
[13:20] what the definition of divinity says
[13:22] transcend
[13:24] our perceived limitations. So I'd like
[13:28] to to say this to set the context.
[13:30] everything we're seeing in our lives
[13:31] today, even the things that so many my
[13:35] friends, the social justice things that
[13:36] that are important and they're really
[13:39] wrapped up in
[13:41] uh
[13:43] for example in the United States, the
[13:45] pronoun conversation, what pronouns are
[13:48] we using, the transgender conversation,
[13:50] abortion conversation,
[13:52] gay rights conversation, all these are
[13:55] important, but if you look closely at
[13:56] what's happening, the races, black
[13:58] against white, Christian against Muslim,
[14:01] um, Jew against Muslim, the rich against
[14:04] the poor. These are all really important
[14:07] conversations that go right to the gut,
[14:10] man. They cut right to the core of our
[14:12] most primal instincts. And if we don't
[14:15] know how we are being engaged, then we
[14:19] will respond on that primal level.
[14:22] They're important conversations. They
[14:24] have been skillfully weaponized to
[14:26] divide us and keep us separate from one
[14:29] another to break the social bonds that
[14:33] have always kept families and
[14:35] communities and societies and nations
[14:37] together. There's an intentional effort
[14:40] to break those bonds. And sadly, it it
[14:42] appears to be working well to some
[14:44] degree because we're allowing it. We're
[14:47] allowing ourselves to be played to be
[14:50] pawns in this ancient game. So the
[14:53] conversations are important and I don't
[14:55] want to diminish the significance of
[14:57] those conversations. It's also important
[14:59] to recognize that the topics have been
[15:02] weaponized and rather than having
[15:05] conversations in kindness
[15:08] to become closer as brothers and sisters
[15:11] in the global family. The differences
[15:14] that we used to celebrate as our
[15:16] strength have now become the differences
[15:19] that are being used, being weaponized to
[15:22] divide us uh and keep us in our fear.
[15:27] And it is divinity that allows us to
[15:30] transcend that fear. So when you think
[15:33] about this, all of a sudden it becomes
[15:34] really clear why
[15:37] a dark power would want to keep us in
[15:41] that fear. Because we become powerless
[15:44] victims
[15:46] in that fear and as victims we need a
[15:48] savior and technology is now being
[15:52] touted as our savior. We're being told
[15:55] that we are flawed as humans by virtue
[15:59] of our existence. Emotion is one of our
[16:01] flaws. Um
[16:04] the ability to the inability to to make
[16:08] cleared logical decisions without having
[16:10] emotion. Empathy is considered to be a
[16:13] flaw
[16:14] by transhumanists.
[16:17] Sickness, illness, death is considered
[16:19] to be a flaw by transhumanists. And
[16:24] we are programming our young people to
[16:26] believe that they are broken and flawed
[16:28] from the time of birth and that they are
[16:30] victims
[16:32] of something beyond their control. And
[16:35] if you're a victim, you need a savior.
[16:37] And the savior, we're being told, is
[16:39] technology. computer chips in the brain,
[16:41] artificial intelligence, sensors under
[16:44] the skin, AI that knows us better than
[16:47] we know ourselves. And uh when you begin
[16:50] to understand the the big picture, and
[16:53] I'm covering a lot of ground here
[16:54] intentionally because we'll tie into
[16:55] this. When you begin to understand the
[16:58] big picture, all of a sudden the power
[17:00] of human divinity
[17:02] becomes something more than a casual
[17:05] academic peripheral conversation. that's
[17:07] front and center for everything that's
[17:10] happening in our lives today. And the
[17:12] beauty is you don't have to know that
[17:14] that you can simply live the best
[17:17] version of yourself and transcend
[17:20] the efforts to keep us small and
[17:24] separate and insignificant. So does that
[17:26] make sense if I if I say it that way?
[17:27] Absolutely.
[17:28] It's a long answer to a short question.
[17:29] I think it's important to really set the
[17:31] stage because not everybody also
[17:33] understands to the degree in which this
[17:35] is currently transpiring in in society
[17:37] and this fight for our own humanity and
[17:39] with this transhuman movement and the
[17:42] exponential rise of various technologies
[17:44] from food engineering to crisper
[17:46] technology, gene editing, AI, there is
[17:49] both incredible promise that these
[17:50] technologies brings and in solving a lot
[17:53] of issues that um is incredible and yet
[17:55] at the same time you spoke to the part
[17:57] as we continue to merge
[17:59] technology in our human biology, there's
[18:01] aspects of ourselves that we start to
[18:03] lose access to that start to atrophy
[18:05] within ourselves. And so, I'd love for
[18:06] you to set the stage too of because not
[18:08] everybody realizes where we're currently
[18:10] at in terms of this
[18:12] and uh and the and the dangers and the
[18:15] promise because there's both. I mean,
[18:16] just this past month, we saw the first
[18:18] Neurolink patient successfully be able
[18:20] to control computer mouse with his with
[18:22] his brain and, you know, is a
[18:24] quadripollegic and and there's
[18:25] incredible things for that as well. You
[18:27] know, this is part of a very old
[18:29] conversation. I'm uh some of our
[18:31] listeners may be familiar with my work,
[18:32] some not. I'm I'm a scientist. I'm a
[18:34] degreed uh earth scientist, my first
[18:36] degree, and I worked in the corporations
[18:38] as a problem solver from 1979 until the
[18:42] the early 1990s.
[18:44] And so I had the o and I say this
[18:46] because I had the opportunity to work
[18:48] alongside brilliant scientists. I mean,
[18:50] physicists, mathematicians, engineers,
[18:53] just amazing amazing people and see
[18:56] amazing technology. And that'll be
[18:58] important in our conversation here in in
[19:00] just a moment. But there was a part of
[19:03] this conversation that would typically
[19:05] happen around the coffee machine and the
[19:07] drinking fountain and the break room
[19:10] where the scientists and the engineers
[19:12] would get together and and the
[19:14] conversation would typically go like
[19:16] this.
[19:17] There was one group that always say
[19:20] because we can do these things because
[19:24] we've had the insight to develop these
[19:27] extraordinary technologies that gives us
[19:30] the right to use them. That gives us the
[19:32] right to implement them. If if we were
[19:35] never meant to implement them, we never
[19:37] would have figured it out. And during
[19:40] the cold war years when this was around
[19:43] weapons technology, this is a very
[19:45] important conversation. There's another
[19:47] school of thought, another group of
[19:48] scientists say, "Oh, hold on. You know,
[19:50] not so fast. Just because we can doesn't
[19:53] mean we should. Just because we can do
[19:56] these things, maybe we ought to reel it
[19:58] in a little bit and and think about the
[20:01] the moral implications or or what it
[20:04] means to to our values in in society.
[20:07] That conversation has never been
[20:09] resolved. It's an ongoing conversation
[20:11] right now. So on it's like the gas and
[20:13] the brakes on on the one hand we are
[20:15] going fullborn
[20:17] exploring the deepest mysteries of of
[20:20] the universe and of life itself and now
[20:23] we have the ability as some people say
[20:25] to hack the physics of the universe and
[20:28] to hack the the biology of of human life
[20:30] or or all life.
[20:33] And once you do that the proverbial
[20:36] genie is out of the bottle. You you're
[20:38] never going to go back once you you
[20:40] develop it. you're never going to
[20:41] undevelop it. Probably not going to sit
[20:44] it on a shelf somewhere. You're going to
[20:45] use it and implement it some way. So the
[20:49] other piece of this is what I saw very
[20:51] quickly is technology isn't good or bad
[20:53] or right or wrong. It's the thinking
[20:56] that underlies the society when the
[20:59] technology is being developed.
[21:01] During World War II and the Cold War
[21:03] years, we poured tremendous amounts of
[21:06] energy and human human power, human
[21:10] intellect and money and technology and
[21:13] into pushing the boundaries of what we
[21:15] know
[21:17] and we discovered beautiful things like
[21:19] how to split the atom. Unfortunately, it
[21:21] was within the context of wartime that
[21:24] that application was used for a weapon
[21:27] when we all know there's so many
[21:28] beautiful things that can come from
[21:30] that. And the same is happening with
[21:32] with transhumanism. There are places and
[21:35] you just mentioned one. Elon Musk has a
[21:37] company uh called Neurolink and it's
[21:39] it's actually been around for a while
[21:41] and they are the first to develop the
[21:44] the computer chip. It's not actually in
[21:46] the brain. It's interesting. It sits in
[21:48] a space above the brain and below the
[21:52] bone and there's a little space in there
[21:56] and uh there are 128 microfibers that go
[22:01] down into the neoortex
[22:03] and they pick up information. There's
[22:05] sensors pick up information from the
[22:07] neurons, bring it back to the chip, and
[22:09] the chip then processes it and sends it
[22:12] through essentially a Bluetooth type
[22:14] technology to to the computer with no no
[22:16] wires. That can be a beautiful thing for
[22:20] servicemen and women who have lost arms
[22:23] and legs and in the battlefields halfway
[22:27] around the world, Afghanistan, Iraq, um
[22:31] to give a man or woman the ability to
[22:34] hold their babies in their arms once
[22:36] again with their prosthetics or to brush
[22:38] their own teeth or comb their own hair
[22:39] or feed themselves. But what a
[22:41] beautiful, beautiful thing. And and
[22:44] that's one of the good things that can
[22:46] come from all of this. There are now
[22:49] proposals on the table uh governmental
[22:53] agencies proposing by the year 2030 that
[22:56] all newborns be implanted with a
[22:59] computer chip in the brain. They say to
[23:02] give them the edge in business and in in
[23:06] technology and to be able to compete
[23:08] successfully in life. And when I say
[23:12] this to a live audience, I mean, I can
[23:13] see people's eyes. I say, you know, not
[23:15] my babies. We we don't want this. So,
[23:18] there's there's a part of us, this is
[23:20] the generation, Andre, it's it's not
[23:22] going to drag on forever. We're at this
[23:24] pivotal point where
[23:28] the technology
[23:31] is at this stage
[23:34] where we are now making a decision. And
[23:37] I'm fascinated by this because it's
[23:38] never happened before. We now have the
[23:41] ability to make decisions that will not
[23:44] change so much the world around us but
[23:47] the world within us forever in ways that
[23:50] can never be reversed.
[23:53] This goes all the way down to the
[23:55] genetic level. And when we define human
[23:59] through a very specific quality of DNA,
[24:02] we now have on the table proposals for
[24:06] medications, for um different kinds of
[24:10] medical applications
[24:12] that will forever change who we are
[24:15] genetically. And we don't even know what
[24:17] that means. We don't even know what it
[24:19] means to be human. We're about to give
[24:21] our humanness away to the technology
[24:23] before we even know what it means to be
[24:25] fully human.
[24:26] I personally, I'm not saying it's right,
[24:28] wrong, good or bad. I have my own my own
[24:29] personal feelings, but my sense is we
[24:32] need, we owe it to ourselves as a
[24:34] species to find out who we are and what
[24:37] it means to be human before we give it
[24:39] away forever. Here's the beauty. I think
[24:43] when we discover
[24:45] the deep truth of what it means to be
[24:47] human and the power within a human cell
[24:50] and within our own divinity, we will
[24:53] feel less need and less drawn to bring
[24:56] that external technology into our bodies
[24:59] because we are the technology.
[25:01] Literally, this is why I said what I
[25:04] said just a moment ago when I was in the
[25:05] industry and I I worked on a project
[25:08] called uh SDI, Star Wars Defense
[25:10] Initiative.
[25:12] It was back in the 1980s and even then
[25:15] we had the most amazing laser systems
[25:18] and radar systems and communication
[25:20] systems and computer systems and who
[25:23] knows you know where they are now.
[25:24] They've come so much further.
[25:27] But here's the thing. As advanced as
[25:29] every one of them were, I have never to
[25:32] this day I've never seen a technology
[25:35] developed outside of our bodies that
[25:37] doesn't mimic what we already do in some
[25:41] capacity within the cells and the
[25:43] systems of our bodies. Except we do it
[25:45] better. We do it better. And so that's a
[25:49] big statement. Let me let me just share
[25:51] what I mean by that.
[25:53] Let's take computer chips in the brain.
[25:56] when I'm with a a live audience and a
[25:59] lot of young people come to our programs
[26:01] and they've been taught to worship the
[26:03] computers and the AI and computer chips
[26:06] are God. I mean literally that's that's
[26:08] what they've been taught.
[26:10] And when I say to a young person and I I
[26:14] have a really very honest conversation,
[26:16] you know, computer chips are fast.
[26:18] Absolutely. They're fast. Efficient.
[26:20] Totally. I mean, I'm with you on that. I
[26:22] was a senior computer systems designer
[26:24] for a company called Martin Marietta
[26:26] Defense Systems and I was with the
[26:29] computers day and night and they are
[26:30] impressive machines. So I'm I'm not
[26:34] denigrating that in any way. But here's
[26:36] the thing, a computer chip will always
[26:39] be limited in its function by the
[26:41] physics of the stuff it's made of. So
[26:44] the atoms of silicon for example,
[26:47] the space between those atoms only
[26:50] allows information to travel so fast
[26:54] between that space. And once that limit
[26:57] is reached, it can't be scaled. So that
[27:01] is the the upper limit. That is the
[27:04] they've reached the capacity for that
[27:06] computer chip. Now you look at a human
[27:09] neuron and you say well what is the the
[27:12] upper limit on the human neuron and the
[27:15] answer is we don't know and here's the
[27:17] reason this is so beautiful because
[27:19] every time we think we reach the
[27:22] capacity of a neuron to hold or transmit
[27:26] information.
[27:27] What happens is that neuron adapts
[27:31] and it morphs. It shifts. it changes to
[27:34] accommodate the greater capacity that
[27:36] we're asking it to do. We don't know
[27:39] what the top end is because every time
[27:41] we reach it, we exceed it. That's part
[27:44] of our humanness. And and when young
[27:47] people begin to understand that we don't
[27:49] have any chips that that can do anything
[27:51] to that degree and that's just one
[27:53] example. I mean, the immune system is is
[27:55] another example. We'll probably have a
[27:56] whole conversation on on the immune
[27:58] system and what that means.
[28:00] So the human body, the average human
[28:05] body has about 50 trillion cells in the
[28:07] body, give or take, whatever average is.
[28:11] Every one of those cells
[28:13] is has an electrical potential. It's
[28:15] about 07 volts per cell. And you say,
[28:19] well, that's, you know, it's a pretty
[28:20] small potential. And I agree, but you do
[28:22] the math. 50 trillion times 07 volts of
[28:26] electrical potential. Now you're talking
[28:28] about over three billion volts of
[28:30] electrical potential. What would it mean
[28:32] if we could harness that and then apply
[28:34] that to our healing or to our intuition
[28:36] or to the regeneration of the cells in
[28:39] our bodies? But it doesn't stop there
[28:41] because every every cell in our body, it
[28:43] it functions as a transistor. It
[28:45] functions as a resistor. It functions as
[28:48] a capacitor. It stores and releases
[28:50] information. It is a photon generator.
[28:53] We're sending light and light is
[28:55] information. So, we're sending light
[28:57] into the field around us and we're
[28:59] receiving light from the sun and from
[29:01] other individuals. We are photon
[29:03] receivers. Every cell stores information
[29:06] and retrieves it just like we do on a
[29:08] chip. And here young people love this.
[29:11] There's a technology out there called
[29:12] blockchain technology. That is the
[29:14] foundation for Bitcoin and lot of
[29:17] digital, you know, digital finance.
[29:20] Where did the idea for blockchain come
[29:22] from? Blockchain technology and
[29:25] computers actually mimics the way that
[29:28] DNA stores information in the cells.
[29:32] The information of the blockchain is
[29:33] immutable. Once it's there, it's there
[29:35] forever. It's transparent. If you know
[29:36] how to read it, anybody can read it. Uh
[29:39] it it can't be hacked. It is secure. And
[29:42] that's exactly why blockchain is so
[29:44] powerful with digital currencies. That's
[29:46] the way we store information in in the
[29:48] human body. And I could go on. The point
[29:50] is all of the technology in the world
[29:52] around us to some degree it's mimicking
[29:56] what we already do within our bodies
[29:59] except we do it better.
[30:02] Can I just share a short story?
[30:03] Absolutely. About this.
[30:07] 1990 I was um I was hiking through a
[30:12] remote area in northwestern New Mexico,
[30:14] Choco Canyon, in preparation to lead a
[30:16] group. I was doing a reconnaissance trip
[30:19] and I was hiking on a remote trail and
[30:22] there was a a native man by himself who
[30:26] was hiking in the opposite direction and
[30:27] he stopped and and we talked for a few
[30:30] moments and he began to tell me a story
[30:34] and the story is pertinent to this
[30:35] conversation. He said a long time ago
[30:39] the people of the earth remembered who
[30:41] they were and they lived much closer to
[30:45] the earth. They were much happier of
[30:46] course and he says something happened
[30:49] and even the elders don't know what it
[30:51] was but people of the earth began to
[30:53] forget who they are but they so long for
[30:57] the deep connection that they had
[30:59] between themselves and the forces of
[31:01] nature and the cosmos and the earth
[31:02] under their feet. They so long for that
[31:05] connection that they began to build in
[31:08] the world outside of them reminders of
[31:13] what that connection meant in the world
[31:15] inside of them. And he said, "We live in
[31:18] that world today. We long for that
[31:22] connection. We miss ourselves, our true
[31:25] potential." And he said, "We'll keep
[31:28] building stuff. will clutter our world
[31:31] with gadgets and machines and devices
[31:34] that continue to mimic and reflect back
[31:36] to us who we are until one day we wake
[31:40] up and we say, "Oh my god, that's us."
[31:44] And then we will let the external
[31:47] technology go because we will have
[31:49] remembered to awaken our inner
[31:51] technology.
[31:53] The world becomes more sophisticated
[31:56] because we've awakened yet it looks
[31:58] simpler because the external clutter
[32:01] goes away. And that man remains a friend
[32:05] today in one of the PBLO in northern New
[32:07] Mexico.
[32:08] But I think his story and from his
[32:11] perspective uh it gives us a deep
[32:14] insight maybe into why we are where we
[32:19] are in the world today. We we are
[32:21] reaching this convergence point. We can
[32:23] all feel it. It's like a rubber band.
[32:25] It's just stretched so far. Something's
[32:27] going to give. And in probably many
[32:31] different ways, many things are going to
[32:33] give because it's unsustainable.
[32:36] But part of that is we're beginning to
[32:38] come back to ourselves
[32:40] and to understand who we are and what
[32:43] our potential really is. And that we
[32:48] we are more than the machines that we
[32:50] have built, more than the AI, more than
[32:54] the computer chips. And so this is a
[32:56] decision now that we have to make as a
[32:58] society. Are we willing to give
[33:00] ourselves away to the efficiency and the
[33:02] speed of a computer chip at the expense
[33:05] of losing the power of human emotion, of
[33:09] losing our ability to have empathy and
[33:12] sympathy and compassion for another
[33:15] being? Are we willing to trade those
[33:17] things in for efficiency and speed? Uh,
[33:21] and that's a question we have to answer
[33:23] as a society. And it's a question that
[33:25] the transhumanist would say yes in order
[33:28] to increase longevity potentially
[33:30] towards immortality, enhance cognitive
[33:33] capacities, that these things such as
[33:36] human emotion and a lot of these things
[33:37] that we're speaking to are worth giving
[33:39] up, which is a is a scary thought. I
[33:42] want you to dive, if you will, a little
[33:44] bit deeper into how our DNA is
[33:46] spiritually linked to us. Sure. and how
[33:49] the these chips and and tinkering with
[33:51] the DNA in in many ways can lessen our
[33:55] connection to the in information pathway
[33:57] to our divinity.
[33:59] We're at this this dangerous place in
[34:02] technology where we know just enough to
[34:04] mess things up. We we can edit and hack
[34:09] human DNA. What we don't know, Andre, is
[34:12] we don't know the implications of what
[34:15] we're doing because science and
[34:18] scientists
[34:19] have yet to fully understand what it
[34:22] means to be human
[34:24] and one of the places where I think this
[34:27] is coming to light the quickest and this
[34:29] is how science will learn. Science
[34:30] eventually will have if science is to
[34:33] rem remain valid, science has to come to
[34:36] terms with the fact that there is
[34:38] something beyond the human body
[34:42] uh that is not being accounted for in
[34:44] the scientific models. I'll just say I
[34:47] um I grew up in northern Missouri
[34:50] and when I started school I had the
[34:53] opportunity to see Albert Einstein's
[34:55] brain
[34:56] when he died they took his brain from
[34:59] his body and they preserved it in um
[35:02] University of Kansas and they thin
[35:04] sliced it to see what made his brain so
[35:07] different from everyone else. what set
[35:10] him apart from everyone else. And what
[35:11] they found was it looked pretty much
[35:13] like anyone else's brain with one
[35:15] exception. His brain had way more folds.
[35:20] When you take all those folds and you
[35:24] stretch them out, it means he had more
[35:26] surface area to his brain. And that
[35:30] surface area is more neurons.
[35:34] Neurons we now know are essentially
[35:37] biological antenna.
[35:41] We don't store memories in our brains.
[35:44] We don't store memories of our loved
[35:47] ones and the neurons in our brain.
[35:50] The neurons are the antenna that tune to
[35:55] a very specific place, a vibratory space
[35:59] in the field that scientists now know
[36:03] connects all things. 2012, the
[36:06] scientists at CERN, the superconducting
[36:08] super collider in in Geneva,
[36:10] Switzerland, they announced, "Yes, there
[36:12] is a field that underlies all
[36:14] existence." esoterically we had known
[36:17] that and talked about and everybody said
[36:18] well yeah sure there's a field but the
[36:20] scientific community didn't acknowledge
[36:22] that in 2012 that that wasn't that long
[36:24] ago. So there's a field it is a um
[36:30] a subtle energy field and information is
[36:34] stored in that field. Our neurons
[36:38] are the antenna that tune to very
[36:40] specific places in that field. DNA does
[36:44] the same thing. So, for example, when we
[36:47] want to learn something new, if you're
[36:48] trying to learn a foreign language or
[36:50] I'm I'm a musician, you're a musician.
[36:52] We're trying to learn a a piece of
[36:54] music, you know, and we're trying to
[36:56] mimic what somebody else does. And the
[36:57] first few times you do it, you go
[36:59] through the motions and it feels awkward
[37:00] or you're speaking a foreign language
[37:03] and you're saying syllables that just
[37:05] sound weird. All of a sudden, you wake
[37:07] up one morning and man, you're thinking
[37:09] in Spanish, you know, you're thinking in
[37:11] French or all of a sudden you wake up
[37:12] one morning and you're playing like
[37:14] Steve Vi, my hero on the guitar, and
[37:18] people say, "What happened in in that
[37:21] time?" Well,
[37:22] this is fascinating to me. If you watch
[37:24] the timelapse photographs of neurons
[37:27] trying to connect, neurons are very
[37:29] social cells. They want to hook up and
[37:31] they're looking for another neuron to
[37:33] hook up with. That doesn't happen
[37:35] instantly. It takes about 72 hours,
[37:38] about 3 days for the the dendrites to to
[37:42] connect and find others. So here's
[37:44] what's actually happening. It is the act
[37:46] the act of you or me or anyone watching
[37:48] this to learn something new, to become
[37:52] something more, to better ourselves, to
[37:56] become something more in the next moment
[37:58] than we were in the last moment. That
[38:00] drive, that compulsion that we feel is
[38:04] the trigger. It's the command for the
[38:08] neurons
[38:09] to find other neurons to create the
[38:13] antenna that tunes to the place in the
[38:15] field that holds what we're asking
[38:17] ourselves to master. Does that make
[38:20] sense if I say it that way? It's it's
[38:22] it's amazing to see this happen. And and
[38:25] this is why a lot of young people today,
[38:28] new new generations,
[38:30] their parents will say, "Man, my kids,
[38:32] you know, they're having a hard time
[38:33] learning because things don't come
[38:35] quickly to them. They want to learn
[38:37] right now." And and what I say to them
[38:40] is stay with it and allow the process.
[38:44] Give them three days. Ask them to stay
[38:46] with it for three days and see if it
[38:47] doesn't get better. And it does. Whether
[38:49] you're trying to learn math, science,
[38:51] art, music, a language, whatever it is.
[38:54] So this is important. We need our
[38:57] biology to connect to the information in
[39:01] the field. Divinity is part of that
[39:04] information.
[39:06] Our intuition, our creativity, what some
[39:08] people call your higher self. When
[39:10] you're praying or when you're
[39:11] meditating, what you're actually doing
[39:13] is your physiology.
[39:16] What our ancestors called the temple.
[39:18] This is the temple, the vessel that
[39:20] holds the antenna. We are communicating
[39:23] with that part, that place in the field
[39:26] where many people have come before us
[39:28] and are also communicating with that
[39:30] that place in the field. This is why
[39:33] when you begin to replace
[39:36] the natural biology with synthetics,
[39:39] there are no longer neurons. There's no
[39:42] longer DNA. And what that means is
[39:45] there's no longer antenna.
[39:47] So we still may function in this
[39:50] physical world. We have now been veiled.
[39:54] I don't want to say it's completely
[39:56] lost, but the access is veiled,
[39:59] more difficult to to get to for our
[40:03] intuition, our conscience that knows
[40:05] what's right and wrong and good and bad.
[40:07] And the ability to communicate with
[40:09] other forms of life on subtle levels,
[40:12] other dimensionalities
[40:14] on subtle levels. the ability to to
[40:17] meditate and elevate ourselves in those
[40:20] levels. All of that innovation,
[40:22] creativity, imagination, all of that
[40:25] begins to atrophy
[40:27] if we don't use and this is the danger
[40:30] and the science is showing us if we
[40:32] don't use those parts of ourselves. Now,
[40:36] so for example, computer chips are put
[40:38] into the brain into the neoortex
[40:41] and they begin to replace mirror
[40:43] neurons. And we'll talk about mirror
[40:45] neurons a little bit. This it's a class
[40:46] of neuron. What the studies show really
[40:50] clearly
[40:52] is the new discoveries is that the human
[40:54] brain
[40:56] continues to produce neurons until the
[40:58] last breath we take on this planet. We
[41:00] we used to be told when I was in
[41:03] college, I was told, you know, you've
[41:05] got X number of neurons and every time
[41:07] you drink a beer, you're going to lose a
[41:08] bunch. So that was the leverage, you
[41:10] know, not not to have a beer or whatever
[41:11] it was you were you were doing. Now we
[41:14] know that's not true. Uh that we
[41:17] continue to produce them until the last
[41:19] breath of life. However, and this is the
[41:21] caveat, if a new neuron is produced and
[41:25] it is not engaged in a meaningful way
[41:29] within uh about 14 days, it will atrophy
[41:33] and die because it feels like it's not
[41:35] needed. If we have AI virtual visors
[41:43] in our children that are entertaining
[41:46] them, everything is being done for them.
[41:48] So, you got a three-year-old sitting on
[41:50] the floor in a living room after
[41:51] breakfast with a visor for hours
[41:55] watching
[41:56] extraordinary scenes and vivid colors
[41:59] and sounds they would never see in the
[42:00] natural world. But here's the thing,
[42:02] it's all being done for them. They're
[42:05] not engaging their imagination. They're
[42:08] not engaging their creativity. They're
[42:10] not engaging their problemolving skills.
[42:13] All they're doing is being entertained.
[42:15] And what happens is the brain cells that
[42:18] are not engaged begin to atrophy. So now
[42:20] psychologists are publishing papers of
[42:23] young kids that are doing just this and
[42:25] they have cognitive impairment because
[42:29] motor everything from motor skills to
[42:30] language to socialization.
[42:33] The visual cortex is thickening because
[42:36] that is the part of their brain that's
[42:38] being used. uh when we fail to engage
[42:45] our divinity in a meaningful way, those
[42:49] parts of us begin to atrophy in one
[42:52] generation. Next generation, your body
[42:54] says, "Oh, you know, we didn't use these
[42:57] much. Maybe we don't need this anymore."
[42:59] And it becomes an appendage of a skill
[43:02] that we used to have. This is how you
[43:03] lose a species. It's exactly how you
[43:05] lose a species because it's happening on
[43:07] the genetic level as well with
[43:09] reproduction
[43:11] um with uh immune response all of these
[43:14] kinds of things. So the point is that
[43:17] it's through our natural biology that we
[43:20] have access to our divinity or to our
[43:25] ability to transcend our perceived
[43:27] limitations.
[43:29] When our natural biology is replaced,
[43:33] then those skills either begin to
[43:35] atrophy or we lose access altogether to
[43:39] to that field. We're still alive. We may
[43:42] no longer be human. If we define human
[43:44] through DNA and as homo sapiens,
[43:47] sapiens, we may become something very
[43:49] different.
[43:51] One of the directors of research at
[43:53] Google technology, Ray Kerszswe is his
[43:55] name.
[43:57] Uh he's a futurist. He's a visionary.
[44:01] He's been around for a very long time.
[44:04] Um,
[44:05] and I'm just going to share his
[44:07] perspective. And it's not out of
[44:09] disrespect for Ray Kerszswe because he's
[44:11] a technologist.
[44:13] So he's just looking at the technology
[44:15] and what's possible. What he says is by
[44:18] the year 2030 2035
[44:21] we will no longer be pure human. He said
[44:23] when you talk to another human we'll be
[44:25] talking and we will become some degree
[44:28] of hybrid between external technology
[44:32] artificial technology and and natural
[44:34] biology.
[44:36] Uh and he believes this is moving toward
[44:38] what he calls the singularity.
[44:40] The singularity is where we become the
[44:45] technology that we have embraced within
[44:48] our bodies becomes so dominant that we
[44:51] now are part of the internet of all
[44:53] things that we are surveiled. We are
[44:56] tracked. Our vitals are traced. AI is
[45:00] determining uh our lifestyles, what we
[45:03] can eat, what we can purchase, how we
[45:06] travel, where we travel. uh all of that.
[45:08] He says between 2035 2045 is when he
[45:12] expects what he calls this singularity
[45:15] to occur
[45:17] where that used to be an interesting
[45:19] scientific concept until um political
[45:23] powers began to propose
[45:27] now the policies that are actually
[45:29] implementing these very things. So we've
[45:32] seen this since the year 2019 right
[45:35] before the pandemic.
[45:37] when
[45:39] the the World Economic Forum, the
[45:43] unelected officials of the think tank
[45:46] that has been around since 1971, they've
[45:49] always gotten together once a year and
[45:51] you know, they sit back and and talk
[45:53] about what they think the world should
[45:54] be. And I have no problem with that at
[45:57] all. What happened in 19 2019 is that
[46:01] they signed a formal agreement with the
[46:03] United Nations
[46:05] and the UN has a program called SDG
[46:08] 2030, sustainable development goals for
[46:11] 2030. 17 goals they want to implement by
[46:14] the year 2030 that they believe make for
[46:19] a better world. These are unelected
[46:22] officials.
[46:23] You and I have no say. And what they're
[46:26] proposing
[46:28] changes every facet of of our lives
[46:32] typically in a way that is about
[46:33] contraction
[46:35] and loss of freedom rather than
[46:37] expansion and the gaining of freedom of
[46:40] expression of life. So the UN has been
[46:43] trying to implement these these policies
[46:46] and they've had a slow start. They're
[46:48] not where they would like to be because
[46:49] they're not popular.
[46:53] The World Economic Forum has had these
[46:55] ideas. They don't know how to give them
[46:57] traction.
[46:59] They signed a formal agreement in 2019
[47:03] for the UN to use the sustainable
[47:06] development goals as the implementation
[47:09] arm of many of the World Economic Forum
[47:12] ideas because they are so closely
[47:13] aligned. Uh, and all of a sudden those
[47:16] abstract ideas that sound like a
[47:18] dystopian scientific future from a
[47:21] really bad movie uh are now showing up
[47:25] for votes on uh at the United Nations.
[47:28] They're being proposed the United States
[47:30] Congress through different forms of
[47:31] legislation, state and federal levels.
[47:34] And I think we need to be aware of these
[47:36] things. It all comes down to this
[47:39] conversation that we're talking about
[47:40] about our humanness. Do these ideas do
[47:46] they give us freedom
[47:48] of imagination, creativity and expansion
[47:52] of life and health and healing in the
[47:56] body? Or do they want to control,
[48:01] contract, confine,
[48:04] uh, and limit our expression of of all
[48:07] of those things? And when we begin to
[48:09] see the answer to that, we can see the
[48:10] thinking and and where this is going.
[48:13] But I want to mention one. May I mention
[48:16] one more thing?
[48:16] No.
[48:17] Okay.
[48:17] I'm just kidding. Go ahead.
[48:19] Well, here's how science I think is
[48:22] going to come to terms
[48:25] with the fact that there's something so
[48:27] much more than we've ever been led to
[48:29] believe. And it's through their attempts
[48:31] to clone life. We've all heard of Dolly,
[48:36] the the sheep in uh in the UK that was
[48:38] cloned
[48:40] uh the first successful cloning. And for
[48:43] most people, the story stops there. What
[48:44] they don't know is that Dolly the sheep
[48:48] at first looked normal and at first
[48:51] looked like any other sheep. She
[48:53] actually conceived and had six
[48:54] offspring.
[48:56] But prematurely, her body began to break
[48:59] down and she died at about 50% of the
[49:03] lifespan of her species. And they
[49:06] thought, well, maybe this is a one-off.
[49:08] Maybe it's a fluke. They've done a lot
[49:10] of experiments, other sheep, and now
[49:12] they they're doing this boine um cows as
[49:15] well. Same thing is happening. their
[49:18] bodies prematurely break down and they
[49:20] succumb to really strange diseases that
[49:23] are not typical uh either for that
[49:26] species or or for that age in in the
[49:28] species. And they can't figure out why.
[49:30] And they're saying, "Okay, we took a
[49:32] cell and now here's another identical
[49:34] cell.
[49:36] Why wouldn't they live the identical
[49:38] life? It's not the identical cell." And
[49:41] this is this is where I think science is
[49:44] going to have to come to terms with
[49:45] this. So, at the risk of too much
[49:49] detail, let me just go into a little bit
[49:50] of detail about how a clone actually
[49:52] works. It's fascinating because what
[49:54] they they'll do is they'll they'll take
[49:56] the egg from one sheep, for example,
[50:00] and they will remove the DNA and the
[50:02] nucleus and put in the DNA of of another
[50:07] uh another sheep into that nucleus
[50:11] and allow it to grow. Here's what they
[50:14] don't tell you.
[50:16] Not all the DNA is in the nucleus. Some
[50:18] of the DNA is outside of the nucleus.
[50:21] And there is a communication that
[50:23] happens between the DNA, an energetic
[50:27] communication that that is established
[50:30] when they the term is inucleation. When
[50:33] they take the the DNA out of that
[50:35] nucleus, put in another form of of DNA
[50:38] into that nucleus. They left the DNA
[50:42] outside of the nucleus. Now those two
[50:45] realms of DNA are no longer in
[50:47] communication. They can't and the the
[50:50] role that the external nucleus is
[50:53] playing to that internal nucleus of of
[50:55] of information sharing uh as a template
[50:59] for longevity. That communication now is
[51:02] lost. So that is at least part of the
[51:06] reason why the the premature breakdown
[51:08] is happening.
[51:11] This leads into a realm that the
[51:13] scientific community is doesn't want to
[51:15] go there is there's more than a chemical
[51:18] conversation going on. It's an energetic
[51:21] conversation and it's that energetic
[51:23] conversation that gives us our humanness
[51:26] because our DNA is the antenna. It's a
[51:30] vibratory antenna in communication with
[51:34] a part of us that is ageless, that is
[51:36] timeless. Uh, it's the part of us that
[51:38] does all the things that that we've been
[51:40] talking about that allows us to have
[51:43] what some people consider godlike
[51:45] skills, godlike abilities, because they
[51:48] are the kinds of abilities that we've
[51:50] always
[51:52] attributed to our our, you know, super
[51:54] people, you know, Wonder Woman and and
[51:57] Superman and things like that. These the
[51:59] ability to to heal on demand uh to
[52:03] create resilience on demand to longevity
[52:06] enzymes or what some people call
[52:08] anti-aging enzymes on demand. Over 1300
[52:13] positive biochemical reactions.
[52:16] We have the ability to self-regulate on
[52:18] demand in a way no other form of life
[52:20] can do. That's part of our divinity. We
[52:23] begin to lose that when we give our
[52:25] humanness away to the technology
[52:29] uh to the AI to the computer chips
[52:32] chemicals in our blood gene therapies to
[52:34] enhance immune response.
[52:37] We're just on this this edge where we
[52:40] know enough how to implement it. We do
[52:42] not know and have not taken the
[52:45] responsibility to explore ultimately
[52:47] what the implications are. and uh and
[52:50] we're going to have to come to terms
[52:52] with that as a society and as a
[52:54] civilization. And it's it's going to
[52:55] happen in this generation. It cannot
[52:57] last, you know, another five
[52:59] generations. It's it's right now this is
[53:02] up for us. And I'm very passionate about
[53:04] this because I believe that we're worth
[53:08] preserving.
[53:10] There is something, and we can get into
[53:12] this deeper. There's something so
[53:17] precious and sacred about our humanness
[53:21] that has never been given to any other
[53:23] form of life that we know of today. Now,
[53:25] there are many forms of life, I'm sure,
[53:27] throughout the cosmos and maybe it
[53:30] happens somewhere else.
[53:32] But to the best of my knowledge, we're
[53:33] it and we're all we've got. And if we
[53:36] lose ourselves, if we lose our
[53:38] humanness,
[53:40] we'll never get it back.
[53:43] And the cosmos will never know what it
[53:46] means for us to be fully human on this
[53:51] beautiful planet, this beautiful world
[53:53] we live in.
[53:55] And those that want to steal our
[53:58] humanness
[54:00] uh have a very different objective and
[54:02] very different ideas.
[54:05] And um and I think it's it's important
[54:08] for us to recognize that this is
[54:10] happening in our lives right now. Not to
[54:12] be afraid of it by any means, but to be
[54:16] aware and to celebrate our humanness and
[54:19] be aware when policies or people are
[54:24] asking that we allow them to lead us in
[54:28] our lives, elected officials,
[54:31] what do they stand for? And look beyond
[54:35] the things that are being weaponized to
[54:37] divide us. look beyond those primal,
[54:40] look beyond LGBQ and look beyond
[54:43] transhuman, look beyond abortion, look
[54:45] beyond, you know, these where are they
[54:48] coming from in terms of their humanity
[54:51] and that rather than a popularity
[54:53] contest and that is a very different way
[54:55] of thinking for a lot of people and I
[54:57] catch heat sometimes for saying that.
[54:59] But if we don't say it now, Andre, we'll
[55:02] never be able to say it because within
[55:05] these next few years, either through
[55:07] executive orders or through
[55:10] corporations that are running uh a lot
[55:13] of what we do and what we eat and how we
[55:16] live, we are going to be pushed into the
[55:19] space where
[55:21] we are being invited or compelled to
[55:24] give our humanness away. And
[55:28] I I know it's happening and I'm still
[55:31] impressed at how sexy the marketing is
[55:34] when I see the marketing
[55:37] and how they appeal to the young people
[55:39] with the images,
[55:41] uh, you know, the videos and things like
[55:43] that. Young people that have never been
[55:46] taught to respect themselves and their
[55:49] bodies and how precious they really are,
[55:51] who wouldn't go for it? Who wouldn't
[55:52] want a computer chip in the brain that
[55:54] allows you to do your gaming without a
[55:57] wire hooked up to your computer? Man,
[55:58] who doesn't want that? So, I think our
[56:02] work is cut out for us. And it sounds
[56:05] complex and for some people it sounds
[56:07] scary, but I think it's very simple. And
[56:09] and what it is is we we make it a point
[56:13] to inform our young people of how
[56:16] special they are, how precious their
[56:19] lives are, to be very aware of what they
[56:22] put into their bodies and what they put
[56:24] onto their bodies.
[56:26] and to help them to understand
[56:30] uh that their uniqueness is cherished
[56:34] and wanted and needed in the world and
[56:36] can only happen through their natural
[56:39] abilities, not the uniformity of of
[56:42] computer chips and and AI. So that was a
[56:44] long a long statement. So I
[56:47] what do you think?
[56:49] No, it was wonderful. Thank you for just
[56:50] giving all that context and and all the
[56:52] nuance and tangents. I think it it
[56:55] really helps us understand where we're
[56:56] at with it. I don't think most of us,
[56:58] including probably to many degrees, us
[57:00] in this conversation know to which
[57:02] degree uh how exponential this
[57:05] technology is evolving. Far much faster
[57:08] than regulatory agencies would be able
[57:10] to do anything about it. To many in many
[57:12] degrees like once the genie is out of
[57:14] the bottle, it's out of the bottle. And
[57:16] we don't know what we don't know. I
[57:18] think we can erroneously
[57:21] uh attribute malice to where ignorance
[57:24] would suffice. You know, there's that
[57:26] saying, we we simply don't know what
[57:27] we're fully doing. And
[57:30] I've heard you share many times how the
[57:33] more that we truly know who we are, the
[57:35] less we fear the change that is coming.
[57:37] The issue is that so much of us, we just
[57:39] don't we don't know who we are. We don't
[57:40] know what the the real potential is
[57:42] within human biology, the human spirit.
[57:45] And I love how you reflect on the
[57:47] importance of of seeing the stories that
[57:48] we're telling ourselves about what is
[57:50] coming. And so you opened up a lot of
[57:53] avenues and a lot of doors of where
[57:55] we're currently going with this
[57:56] exponential rise of technology of doing
[57:59] it to a degree where we we might not
[58:01] understand the effects that it's having
[58:03] to our human divinity and a lot of these
[58:06] aspects which people would see as
[58:08] superhuman that we have on demand within
[58:10] us. And so I just want you to reflect if
[58:13] you will a little bit more about the
[58:14] story that we're telling ourselves about
[58:16] what is coming.
[58:17] Sure.
[58:20] Let me go back and just pick up a couple
[58:22] of things. When and I agree 100% when
[58:25] you
[58:26] talk about the the people developing the
[58:28] technology and I use Ray Kerszswe as an
[58:31] example. I've worked with a lot of these
[58:33] people. I haven't worked with Ray, but
[58:34] I've worked with people like this
[58:37] and they're techies and this is it and
[58:40] they're in their element. What they've
[58:42] been given is permission to push the
[58:44] boundaries as far as they can uh and
[58:49] given the funding and the technology
[58:51] that allows them to open those doors.
[58:54] Now, I have had conversations with him
[58:56] and I'd say, "Well, what does this mean
[58:58] for society? What does it mean for a
[59:02] family? What does it mean for for a
[59:04] human walking the earth? And here's what
[59:06] they'll tell me. They'll say, don't ask
[59:09] me that question. It's above my pay
[59:10] grade say, I'm not paid to think about
[59:14] the social implications. I am paid to
[59:16] push the boundaries of this technology.
[59:18] Somebody else will figure that out.
[59:20] Well, those techies now are running a
[59:23] lot of of the policies that we're being
[59:26] asked to embrace with no thought of the
[59:29] social or the moral implications or the
[59:32] lasting implications
[59:35] without the recognition of just how
[59:37] delicate of a balance our genome really
[59:41] presents to us. And once you tweak that
[59:43] genome in very very specific ways which
[59:45] we can now do with you mentioned it
[59:47] crisper gene editing you can't unedit
[59:51] uh I you can and it's a big process that
[59:56] I don't think you can go back in in a
[59:58] species once you make those changes. So,
[1:00:02] so yeah, I think a lot of it is the
[1:00:04] technology. I'll just encapsulate it
[1:00:06] this way. The technology has developed
[1:00:10] faster than the morality of how we use
[1:00:13] it in in our lives or what it means in
[1:00:15] in our lives. And I think it's a very
[1:00:17] fair statement to say.
[1:00:20] With your permission now, can we go into
[1:00:22] something really deep and esoteric? Are
[1:00:24] you okay if we do?
[1:00:25] I don't know. It's not really my avenue
[1:00:27] for this podcast.
[1:00:28] We don't we don't have to if you don't
[1:00:29] want to. I'd love to. Please let's let's
[1:00:32] continue deep diving.
[1:00:33] Well, I think one of the reasons,
[1:00:37] and this isn't new, for generations now,
[1:00:40] since 1859,
[1:00:42] Charles Darwin put forth a theory that
[1:00:45] we called the theory of evolution.
[1:00:48] In his book, Origin of Species, uh, was
[1:00:51] published in 1859. It was a different
[1:00:53] world in 1859. It was before my time. I
[1:00:56] I certainly don't remember that.
[1:00:57] You're timeless, Greg.
[1:01:00] But he I've got a really interesting
[1:01:03] story to tell about uh I I published a
[1:01:06] book a few years ago and I did a radio
[1:01:08] interview
[1:01:10] commuter traffic interview in New York
[1:01:12] City
[1:01:14] to promote this book and it was all the
[1:01:18] evidence that does not support
[1:01:19] evolution. So the interviewer came on in
[1:01:22] the morning and man there was you know
[1:01:23] no good morning welcome Greg how 6 a.m.
[1:01:26] interview for me it was you know
[1:01:27] commuter traffic in in New York I live
[1:01:29] in the mountain states so it was 8 8
[1:01:31] a.m. for them. And the first thing he
[1:01:34] says, he says, "What gives you the right
[1:01:37] to talk about evolution and biology?"
[1:01:40] And I said, I thought he was kidding. I
[1:01:42] said, "Excuse me?" And he says, he says,
[1:01:44] "You're only a geologist. What gives you
[1:01:46] the right to talk about biology and to
[1:01:49] question Darwin's theory of evolution?"
[1:01:51] And then I knew he was he was serious.
[1:01:53] And I said, I said to him, I said, "My
[1:01:55] brother, do you know what the profession
[1:01:58] was of the man who developed the theory
[1:02:01] of evolution? Do you know what Charles
[1:02:03] Darwin's profession was?" And he said,
[1:02:04] "No." And I said, "He was a geologist."
[1:02:06] And the guy, he came back, he said,
[1:02:08] "Okay, let's go to break." And he took a
[1:02:10] break and he never came back. So that
[1:02:12] was the end of that that conversation.
[1:02:14] The the point is that Darwin
[1:02:17] uh where I think Darwin made the mistake
[1:02:22] was he took what he saw with one form of
[1:02:25] life, one species of birds in one
[1:02:28] location of the Gopagus Islands in one
[1:02:30] moment in time, 1853,
[1:02:34] and he took what he saw happening there
[1:02:37] and generalized it for all life at all
[1:02:40] places throughout all time, including
[1:02:43] humans.
[1:02:45] So I want to be very clear that as a
[1:02:48] geologist that evolution is a fact. I've
[1:02:49] seen it in the fossil record. I have
[1:02:52] excavated those fossils uh when I was in
[1:02:55] school and I believe in the theory of
[1:02:57] evolution. It breaks down when it comes
[1:03:00] to humans. Something happened to us
[1:03:03] that's not accounted for in our study of
[1:03:06] evolutionary biology. It happened
[1:03:08] 200,000 years ago when the first
[1:03:11] anatomically modern humans is what
[1:03:13] they're now called. AMH is the acronym.
[1:03:16] Anatomically modern humans. When the
[1:03:18] first AMH emerged on our planet,
[1:03:22] uh, we now have the ability to extract
[1:03:26] the DNA from fossilized remains of
[1:03:28] ancient forms of life, including
[1:03:32] forms of life that we used to think were
[1:03:34] our ancestors. And when you compare
[1:03:36] their DNA to ours now, we know that we
[1:03:40] did not descend, for example, from
[1:03:41] Neanderthal, we we may have some
[1:03:44] Neanderthal DNA. Some people do,
[1:03:46] especially in Northern Europe, because
[1:03:49] we shared the earth with them. We walked
[1:03:51] the earth with them. They say we
[1:03:53] probably had Neanderthal boyfriends and
[1:03:55] girlfriends. We we interbred.
[1:03:57] Um I was a a program not long ago and I
[1:04:00] made that statement. There was a woman
[1:04:01] in the front row and she said, "I still
[1:04:03] do. I still have a needle boyfriend. And
[1:04:05] then the guy next to her wasn't laughing
[1:04:07] at all. So I I got to see the whole
[1:04:09] relationship workshop, you know, happen
[1:04:11] right right before my eyes. But the
[1:04:14] point is we did not descend from
[1:04:17] Neanderthal. We shared the earth with
[1:04:19] them. If we walk the earth with them, we
[1:04:21] couldn't have descended from them. And
[1:04:22] the same is true for these other archaic
[1:04:25] forms of life. What the DNA is saying,
[1:04:28] Andre, and this is is a mindblower
[1:04:30] because we don't have to speculate about
[1:04:32] this piece. When you compare our modern
[1:04:35] genome, you take your blood or my blood
[1:04:36] and you compare that to the genome
[1:04:39] developed from the fossilized remains of
[1:04:41] our earliest ancestors. We haven't
[1:04:43] changed. We showed up 200,000 years ago.
[1:04:45] We don't know where we came from. We
[1:04:48] haven't changed since then. Now, we have
[1:04:50] obviously changed in consciousness. We
[1:04:52] have evolved in the way we think. But
[1:04:55] our biology has not changed. We had all
[1:04:58] of the advanced neural network and all
[1:05:00] of the ability to self-regulate and all
[1:05:02] the things that our divinity was
[1:05:05] available to us two 200,000 years ago.
[1:05:10] The way that it happened, scientists now
[1:05:13] know this, but they don't know what to
[1:05:15] do with what they have found is that
[1:05:18] there were mutations
[1:05:21] in our DNA that cannot be accounted for
[1:05:24] under natural circumstance. They don't
[1:05:26] happen in nature
[1:05:27] with the certain chromosomes.
[1:05:29] Yes. For for example, one of the most
[1:05:31] profound is chromosome number two,
[1:05:34] human chromosome 2. It's the second
[1:05:35] largest chromosome in the human body in
[1:05:38] in the cell. um
[1:05:41] it has about 1,200 genes in that
[1:05:44] chromosome. Genes are little segments of
[1:05:46] the DNA. The chromosome is the long
[1:05:48] strands of DNA and then the the genes
[1:05:51] are the shorter segments of of the DNA.
[1:05:54] One of those genes is called TBR number
[1:05:57] one. TBR1
[1:05:59] is responsible for our brain size. We
[1:06:02] showed up 200,000 years ago. We got a
[1:06:04] brain 50% larger than our nearest
[1:06:06] primate relative.
[1:06:08] Boom. just like that we it didn't happen
[1:06:11] slowly gradually over a long period of
[1:06:13] time with a a neoortex. I know you've
[1:06:16] had my brother Joe dispense on before
[1:06:18] and he talks a lot about, you know,
[1:06:20] neuroscience and and the neoortex, the
[1:06:23] mirror neurons that allow us uh the
[1:06:27] ability
[1:06:29] to envision in our mind an image
[1:06:34] of what we want to happen in our bodies.
[1:06:36] and then the mirror neuron feeding the
[1:06:39] brain and informing the body to produce
[1:06:42] the chemistry to match what we're seeing
[1:06:44] in our mirror neurons. That happened
[1:06:47] 200,000 years ago. Now, some other forms
[1:06:50] of life have to a lesser extent that,
[1:06:53] but not like we have. So, human
[1:06:56] chromosome number two, where did it come
[1:06:58] from? Well, scientists now know it is
[1:07:00] the fusion of two existing chromosomes.
[1:07:05] They're fused.
[1:07:07] Okay. On on a typical chromosome,
[1:07:10] and I know a lot of our viewers know
[1:07:12] this, on the ends of the chromosomes are
[1:07:14] called telomeirs. You hear about this a
[1:07:15] lot in um
[1:07:16] longevity space,
[1:07:17] biohacking and and longevity. Telomeirs
[1:07:20] at the ends of the chromosomes that
[1:07:22] protect the DNA inside. If this is a
[1:07:24] chromosome, then on the ends of the
[1:07:27] chromosome are the telomeirs that
[1:07:31] protect the vital DNA information in
[1:07:34] here. Because when the cell divides and
[1:07:37] the chromosome split, that's a trauma to
[1:07:41] that chromosome and part of the
[1:07:42] chromosome does not make the split. You
[1:07:45] don't want that to be the good stuff in
[1:07:47] here. So nature gives us this buffer on
[1:07:51] the ends called the telomeirs. when when
[1:07:54] the split happens, the part that doesn't
[1:07:56] make it is not that vital because it's
[1:07:59] it's on the ends. Well, here's
[1:08:00] chromosome number two. What we see is
[1:08:03] there's telomeres on the ends of the
[1:08:05] chromosome and there's telomeirs right
[1:08:06] in the middle because it was originally
[1:08:09] two separate chromosomes that were
[1:08:10] fused. So now you've got telomeirs where
[1:08:13] they should never be in the middle of
[1:08:14] the chromosome. That doesn't happen in
[1:08:16] nature. But it didn't stop there because
[1:08:20] once that fusion happened, there was
[1:08:23] redundancy
[1:08:25] in the functions of the chromosomes. So
[1:08:27] some of the chromosomes were turned off,
[1:08:29] some of them were silenced, some of them
[1:08:31] were moved, some were added to stabilize
[1:08:33] this. This can't happen in nature. We
[1:08:36] didn't know what that meant until gene
[1:08:38] editing occurred. And it appears that a
[1:08:42] gene editing happened 200,000 years ago.
[1:08:45] And if it was only chromosome 2, you
[1:08:46] could say maybe it's a fluke, but it's
[1:08:48] not. Our ability as as a musician, I've
[1:08:51] always had the question.
[1:08:53] We share 98% of our DNA with a chimp,
[1:08:56] for example. 98%.
[1:08:59] But chimps can't sing. You know, I've
[1:09:02] always wondered, I mean, you're never
[1:09:03] going to hear a chimp sing Led Zeppelin
[1:09:05] Stairway to Heaven. And if you do, let
[1:09:08] me know.
[1:09:09] I definitely will.
[1:09:10] Yeah. No, it it can't happen. And here's
[1:09:12] the reason. Because chromosome 7
[1:09:15] when you look at primates for about 175
[1:09:20] million years, I think that number is
[1:09:21] accurate. Chromosome 7 was stable. No
[1:09:25] changes. 175 million years. All of a
[1:09:28] sudden, there was this little tweak of
[1:09:31] two genes that were switched around.
[1:09:36] And when that switch happened, it gave
[1:09:38] us the ability. It connected our tongue
[1:09:40] and our brain and our mouth in a way
[1:09:43] that gave us the ability to have complex
[1:09:45] speech and and to sing. Guess when it
[1:09:48] happened?
[1:09:49] Just
[1:09:49] 200,000 years ago.
[1:09:50] Exactly 200,000 years ago. And there are
[1:09:52] other things that happened as well.
[1:09:54] These things they didn't happen slowly,
[1:09:56] gradually over a long period of time.
[1:09:59] And they typically don't happen in
[1:10:01] nature. So we begin to see that there
[1:10:05] that the odds of this occurring are so
[1:10:08] small that scientists say it appears
[1:10:10] that there's been an intervention.
[1:10:12] That's the word that they use. We don't
[1:10:14] they don't say who or what, but there's
[1:10:17] been some kind of an intervention. And
[1:10:20] this leads to the deep esoteric
[1:10:23] conversation that that I'd like to have
[1:10:26] if you're okay if if we do that.
[1:10:27] Yeah, absolutely. I love
[1:10:30] because the precision the timing of this
[1:10:32] as you're speaking to points to
[1:10:33] something beyond the standard
[1:10:35] evolutionary model and I love that Fred
[1:10:38] Hoy quote that you g that I heard you
[1:10:40] share as an astrophysicist
[1:10:42] British British astrophysicist. Yeah.
[1:10:44] Yeah. About a tornado.
[1:10:46] He said the odds when he was asked at a
[1:10:48] conference he was going through all the
[1:10:50] math and somebody in the audience said
[1:10:53] you know cut the math what are the odds
[1:10:55] and he says let me put it this way. He
[1:10:57] said, "The odds of human DNA forming the
[1:10:59] way that it formed to make us who we are
[1:11:02] today are the odds of a tornado sweeping
[1:11:06] through a junkyard and on the way out
[1:11:09] leaving a Boeing 747
[1:11:11] behind." And we all know that's probably
[1:11:13] not going to happen.
[1:11:15] So that was uh that was his way of
[1:11:19] saying and this is you know the
[1:11:21] scientific community this is why they're
[1:11:23] stuck because there's a huge difference
[1:11:27] Andre
[1:11:28] between
[1:11:31] revealing new discoveries and new
[1:11:33] information
[1:11:36] and forcing those new discoveries to fit
[1:11:39] into a pre-existing model. There's a
[1:11:41] huge difference between doing that and
[1:11:44] revealing new information and allowing
[1:11:47] the information to lead to the story
[1:11:49] that it tells. There's a reluctance in
[1:11:52] the scientific community traditionally
[1:11:54] to do the latter. Where the information,
[1:11:57] and I'm going to go into this a little
[1:11:59] bit more deeply, where that information
[1:12:01] is leading takes the scientific
[1:12:03] community to a place that they are
[1:12:05] traditionally not equipped to deal with.
[1:12:08] And so they prefer to avoid it. They're
[1:12:10] not bad people. I have friends in
[1:12:13] academia and I've asked them the
[1:12:16] question. I say, "Why can't you teach
[1:12:18] this to your students?" And they're the
[1:12:21] age I am. I'm 70. So, they've been
[1:12:24] teaching, you know, 40 45 years. And
[1:12:28] what they say is, you know, uh, we're
[1:12:32] going to let the next generation
[1:12:34] of professors deal with this problem. we
[1:12:38] would have to change all of our class
[1:12:40] notes. It it makes us look wrong as
[1:12:43] professionals to have to go back and and
[1:12:45] change the story. And I I tell them I
[1:12:48] said, "No, it actually validates the
[1:12:50] power of science because it shows that
[1:12:53] science is so relevant. It's made to be
[1:12:55] updated as new information comes to
[1:12:58] light. It's a living story. It's not a
[1:13:00] static story.
[1:13:02] So for me
[1:13:05] once I began to understand on a personal
[1:13:08] level
[1:13:10] that the mutations that give us our
[1:13:13] humanness cannot happen in nature. Of
[1:13:16] course that begs the question how how
[1:13:19] did it happen?
[1:13:21] Uh what a lot of people don't know my
[1:13:23] degree is in geology. I have studied and
[1:13:25] I'm an amateur archaeologist. I don't
[1:13:27] have an advanced degree in archaeology,
[1:13:29] but I've done a lot of archaeological
[1:13:30] work. Uh I'm a scholar. I've done a lot
[1:13:33] of historic work, ancient text, ancient
[1:13:35] traditions.
[1:13:36] Traveled to the places where the people
[1:13:40] still live that preserve many of these
[1:13:42] traditions.
[1:13:44] And all of that led me to the question,
[1:13:47] if we are the product of an intentional
[1:13:51] act
[1:13:53] that occurred 200,000 years ago,
[1:13:57] where would we find the evidence of that
[1:14:00] act? Would it be left on a on a temple
[1:14:02] wall in Peru that could crumble after a
[1:14:06] few thousand years? Would it be in the
[1:14:07] Middle East on, you know, on a scroll
[1:14:09] that could be burned or hidden or, you
[1:14:11] know, destroyed in some way?
[1:14:14] And then I began to look at my artist
[1:14:17] friends and every one of my artist
[1:14:19] friends does the same thing. When they
[1:14:21] create something they're proud of, the
[1:14:23] last thing they do is they sign it. They
[1:14:24] put their name on it. And I said, if we
[1:14:27] are the product of an intentional act,
[1:14:30] it makes sense that who or what is
[1:14:33] responsible for us would have left a
[1:14:35] signature. Where would we find that? And
[1:14:39] I was asking this question in the 80s
[1:14:41] and the '9s. We didn't have the
[1:14:43] internet. Uh the internet early 90s we
[1:14:46] started having the internet. Didn't have
[1:14:48] computers like we do now. So a lot of
[1:14:51] what happened was by hand.
[1:14:55] My sense was it would be in the DNA of
[1:14:58] all life. And and you say, well, how how
[1:15:01] could a message be written in the sticky
[1:15:04] gooey stuff inside of a cell? because
[1:15:06] that's the way we're we're taught to
[1:15:08] think about about DNA.
[1:15:12] Well,
[1:15:18] this is a big story and I'm not sure
[1:15:19] even where where to jump in, but let me
[1:15:22] say this. In 2007,
[1:15:25] Japanese scientists released a report
[1:15:28] showing that they had stored written
[1:15:31] information into the DNA of a bacteria.
[1:15:36] And they chose this bacteria because it
[1:15:38] replicates quickly. So they could look
[1:15:41] at hundreds of generations of bacteria
[1:15:45] and then take that hundth generation,
[1:15:48] pull the DNA out, and the information
[1:15:50] was still there. They proved that DNA is
[1:15:55] a very efficient information storage
[1:15:58] medium.
[1:16:00] That was in 2007.
[1:16:02] The question I had been asking is, did
[1:16:05] this happen to us a long time ago?
[1:16:10] And the way it took me 20 years of
[1:16:13] original research
[1:16:15] to to have the answer that satisfied me,
[1:16:17] it became a book in 2004 called the God
[1:16:20] Code was the name of the book. And the
[1:16:22] bottom line is this. If you take the
[1:16:24] chemical codes
[1:16:27] that make the DNA in our bodies,
[1:16:31] they're made from elements that you find
[1:16:33] on the periodic table. And every one of
[1:16:36] those elements has different ways to
[1:16:38] represent it. It's got mathematic
[1:16:40] representations
[1:16:42] like veence number and atomic weight and
[1:16:44] atomic mass. Those are all different
[1:16:46] numbers that represent the same element.
[1:16:48] Hydrogen for example.
[1:16:51] And
[1:16:53] I began
[1:16:55] looking at that periodic table and
[1:16:58] wondering
[1:16:59] if that somehow
[1:17:03] would correlate to the ancient languages
[1:17:06] that have been left for us that tell us
[1:17:08] who we are.
[1:17:11] So now shift gears just briefly. There
[1:17:14] are four root or core alphabets that all
[1:17:17] alphabets are derived from thought to in
[1:17:20] in one way or another.
[1:17:22] There are originally six. Two of them
[1:17:24] have been lost. The four that remain are
[1:17:26] ancient cunio form, ancient Sanskrit, uh
[1:17:30] Arabic still used today and Hebrew
[1:17:33] that's still used today.
[1:17:35] Those are the four root languages.
[1:17:38] One of the great mysteries of
[1:17:40] linguistics, I'm an amateur linguist, is
[1:17:43] that every one of the ancient languages
[1:17:46] has always had numbers that represent
[1:17:48] the letters. Uh, and the science of
[1:17:52] interchanging those numbers is called
[1:17:53] gamatria. And I want to just make a
[1:17:56] distinction. This isn't numerology.
[1:17:58] Numerology is a loose derivative
[1:18:02] that doesn't follow the rules of
[1:18:04] gumatria. There are 32 rabbitical rules
[1:18:06] that were laid down in the 2 century uh
[1:18:09] common era CE AD.
[1:18:12] Um they use CE now common era rather
[1:18:16] than before and after the the death of
[1:18:17] of Jesus.
[1:18:20] 32 rebbitical rules. And for gamatria to
[1:18:23] be valid, you've got to follow those
[1:18:24] rules. So I said, if the DNA of our
[1:18:30] bodies holds a language, is it possible
[1:18:32] that the numbers could be the common
[1:18:35] link that would allow us to go from
[1:18:37] chemicals to letters? In other words, is
[1:18:39] it possible, can I read the DNA in my
[1:18:41] body like I read the letters on the page
[1:18:44] of a book? And the answer is yes. It
[1:18:45] took 20 years to figure that out. And
[1:18:49] the information in our DNA is in layers.
[1:18:53] And each layer has a different code. The
[1:18:55] first layer is considered as the
[1:18:59] introduction just like you would have an
[1:19:01] introduction into the page of a book. So
[1:19:03] now what we're doing, Andre, is we're
[1:19:05] we're think we're putting on an IT hat.
[1:19:08] And rather than looking at biology 101
[1:19:11] where you have a cell and in the cell
[1:19:13] you have a a a chromosome and the
[1:19:16] chromosomes are made of genes, now we're
[1:19:18] looking at the cell is a library. What
[1:19:20] if the cell is a library and every
[1:19:23] chromosome is a book and the genes are
[1:19:27] the paragraphs and the sentences in that
[1:19:29] book? And that's exactly exactly what's
[1:19:31] happened. It's a very different way of
[1:19:33] thinking and I'm I caught a lot of heat
[1:19:34] for it in the scientific community. Once
[1:19:37] I started talking about this
[1:19:40] uh I lost credibility in in some circles
[1:19:42] and that's okay because it's by crossing
[1:19:46] the traditional boundaries that have
[1:19:48] separated our way of knowing in the past
[1:19:50] that we gain new wisdom that leads us
[1:19:54] beyond the boxes. And so I wanted to go
[1:19:57] beyond the boxes. So what I did by hand
[1:20:01] initially
[1:20:03] was I went through and took all the
[1:20:05] elements in our DNA. It's primarily
[1:20:07] hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, carbon. This
[1:20:09] is what we are. Different amounts
[1:20:10] hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, carbon. I
[1:20:13] looked at all the numbers that represent
[1:20:15] those and made a list.
[1:20:18] About that time, uh, computers became
[1:20:21] popular and the human genome was now
[1:20:24] available on a computer. So I could take
[1:20:29] actually take DNA and and look at at you
[1:20:32] know what I'm actually dealing with
[1:20:33] here. At the same time, I went back into
[1:20:36] the ancient languages
[1:20:39] and I looked for a number of the
[1:20:42] elements that would match the numbers of
[1:20:44] the ancient language. So, I'm looking at
[1:20:46] the periodic table correlating it to
[1:20:49] gamatria and there's only one number
[1:20:52] that works. Took 20 years to figure it
[1:20:53] out. Uh and that is atomic mass. The
[1:20:56] atomic mass of the elements of our DNA
[1:21:00] correlates to the letters of the ancient
[1:21:02] alphabets. And here's the beautiful
[1:21:03] thing is the message that it reveals is
[1:21:07] exactly the same in all four. It's the
[1:21:10] same in Arabic, the same in Hebrew, the
[1:21:12] same inuniform and the same in Sanskrit
[1:21:15] and probably other languages. But those
[1:21:16] are the four core languages.
[1:21:20] So
[1:21:21] when we make that substitution, when you
[1:21:23] use that numeric link and literally into
[1:21:28] the DNA bases, cytosine, thamine,
[1:21:32] guanine, adinine, when you you go into
[1:21:34] those bases and you make those
[1:21:36] substitutions,
[1:21:38] it actually spells out the answer to
[1:21:42] probably the oldest question that we've
[1:21:43] ever asked. When we say, "Who are we?"
[1:21:46] The translation of the first layer in
[1:21:48] the DNA, the introduction of every cell
[1:21:51] in our body reads exactly the same. And
[1:21:53] it literally, this isn't a metaphor, it
[1:21:55] literally reads the words God eternal
[1:21:59] within the body. God eternal within the
[1:22:03] body. And the name of God that's written
[1:22:05] in our DNA is exactly the same as it's
[1:22:09] written in the oldest
[1:22:11] spiritual and religious our most ancient
[1:22:13] and cherished spiritual traditions. That
[1:22:16] name is actually written into the DNA of
[1:22:19] our bodies. So what we can say with
[1:22:22] absolute certainty
[1:22:25] is when we forget who we are, when we
[1:22:27] think our differences are so great that
[1:22:29] separate us through the attempt
[1:22:34] to isolate us and break the social bonds
[1:22:36] and we no longer know who we are. We
[1:22:38] need look no further than 50 trillion
[1:22:42] cells in the human body and the first
[1:22:44] layer of every every one of those cells
[1:22:47] that literally says God eternal within
[1:22:51] the body. It doesn't say who God is,
[1:22:53] where God came from. And people have
[1:22:56] said to me, the rabbis came down really
[1:22:58] hard on me and said, "We've tried to
[1:23:02] keep this secret. What gives you the
[1:23:03] right to reveal it?"
[1:23:05] And I said, because I'm not a rabbi, and
[1:23:09] I said, if we were ever going to reveal
[1:23:12] this to ourselves, what better time than
[1:23:14] now when we're on the verge of
[1:23:17] destroying
[1:23:20] the very essence of the humanness that
[1:23:23] we love and cherish. We're on the brink
[1:23:25] of war. This was in the 80s and 90s,
[1:23:27] right at the end of the Cold War.
[1:23:28] Another war we were on the brink of.
[1:23:32] What better time to reveal this than
[1:23:34] now? And why wouldn't we want to tell
[1:23:37] ourselves that we are God eternal within
[1:23:39] the body? We're not some random
[1:23:44] process, the result of of a random
[1:23:46] mutation, slow, gradual evolution.
[1:23:48] There's an intentional intervention and
[1:23:51] a signature to tell us about that
[1:23:53] intervention that literally says we are
[1:23:54] God eternal within the body. What does
[1:23:57] that mean? What does it mean to live
[1:23:59] your life as God eternal within the
[1:24:00] body? And what I've found is when people
[1:24:03] discover this, I I see this in live
[1:24:05] audiences. I watch people's eyes and I
[1:24:07] feel I can feel the vibe in the room
[1:24:11] because now everyone has a challenge in
[1:24:14] their lives.
[1:24:16] How does God eternal within the body
[1:24:18] deal with this disease? How does God
[1:24:20] eternal within the body deal with the
[1:24:24] betrayal of the trust? That's very
[1:24:26] different than how we're taught to to
[1:24:28] think of it as mere mortal humans is
[1:24:31] what somebody said to me once. So that
[1:24:35] message is only possible because 200,000
[1:24:38] years ago who or whatever
[1:24:44] intervened to give us our humanness left
[1:24:47] a message to tell us and it's only now
[1:24:51] when we arguably are on the brink of
[1:24:53] global war. This is the year 2024 in the
[1:24:56] spring
[1:24:58] when the technology is being developed
[1:25:01] so quickly and we're being encouraged to
[1:25:03] give away our humans and literally
[1:25:06] replace our bodies with artificial
[1:25:10] substances and chips and and AI and gene
[1:25:15] therapies. Only now that that same
[1:25:17] technology comes full circle and says
[1:25:20] this is who you are.
[1:25:22] Maybe it wouldn't have meant the same
[1:25:24] thing if we'd discovered it 50 years
[1:25:26] ago.
[1:25:28] But now when you go back and you look at
[1:25:32] our most ancient and cherished
[1:25:33] traditions, they've always said to us
[1:25:35] that our body is the temple. That we are
[1:25:38] a temple.
[1:25:40] And this gives new meaning to the temple
[1:25:43] because inside of a temple typically is
[1:25:46] something precious and sacred.
[1:25:49] And within us is a message from
[1:25:53] who or whatever is responsible for us
[1:25:56] being here telling us that we are God
[1:25:58] eternal within the body. And I think our
[1:26:01] greatest mastery,
[1:26:03] what we're being asked to do is to
[1:26:05] preserve the temple that holds the
[1:26:07] message. To not destroy the temple, to
[1:26:10] not relinquish it, to become a hybrid
[1:26:14] being where that message has little or
[1:26:18] no meaning any longer. I don't know if
[1:26:20] that makes sense or not. I think this is
[1:26:22] I don't talk about this a lot in
[1:26:23] interviews, but I think this is where we
[1:26:25] are as a species right now.
[1:26:28] Thank you for sharing. I think it's a
[1:26:29] really important avenue to continue
[1:26:31] opening up because
[1:26:33] just to kind of recap where we're at
[1:26:36] when we when we spoke to this event that
[1:26:37] happened 200,000 years ago that we're
[1:26:39] not sure of what happened but it's one
[1:26:41] in 10 to the power of 600 I believe I
[1:26:44] heard you share where to
[1:26:46] Can I clarify this?
[1:26:47] Yeah. What scientists say is that when
[1:26:50] the odds of something are occurring are
[1:26:52] 1 and 10 to the 400th power, it's
[1:26:55] impossible
[1:26:57] to have the genetic arrangement that we
[1:27:00] have. They say is 1 and 10 to the 600th.
[1:27:05] If one and 10 to the 400 is impossible,
[1:27:08] one and 10 to the 600 means it's more
[1:27:11] than impossible that this is a fluke of
[1:27:14] nature or that it is uh a lucky
[1:27:17] accident. It there's an intentionality.
[1:27:21] 042%
[1:27:22] is the odds of this happening purely by
[1:27:25] chance. So we can say that there is some
[1:27:29] as a scientist I have to say this and I
[1:27:32] realize I'm crossing a lot of
[1:27:33] traditional boundaries to do this. I
[1:27:35] have to say there's been an
[1:27:36] intervention. Now, where this gets
[1:27:38] really interesting is as an amateur
[1:27:41] archaeologist,
[1:27:43] every culture that I've ever studied,
[1:27:45] now I have not studied every ancient
[1:27:47] culture. Every single one, not one of
[1:27:50] our indigenous ancestors says that we
[1:27:54] are the product of long, slow, gradual
[1:27:57] mutations over a long period of time.
[1:28:00] everyone from I I've led groups into the
[1:28:04] highlands of central China and Tibet, 12
[1:28:06] monasteries, two nunnies over over 26
[1:28:08] days. We did that until they closed the
[1:28:10] borders. the Bedwins in Egypt, uh the
[1:28:13] the Sadus in in Nepal,
[1:28:16] the Ketwa in
[1:28:18] Aboriginals
[1:28:19] in Peru, the the Aboriginals all through
[1:28:21] the American desert southwest.
[1:28:23] Everyone has a creation story that says
[1:28:27] we are the product of a an intervention
[1:28:32] that we are much more. We're not what
[1:28:35] we've been told. We're so much more than
[1:28:36] we've been led to believe. And that we
[1:28:38] are part of a global family. We have a
[1:28:40] global family awaiting for us when we
[1:28:45] reach the point where we accept our
[1:28:47] humanness.
[1:28:49] When we embrace the deep truth of what
[1:28:52] it means to be human, that's the gateway
[1:28:55] to the reunion with with a greater a
[1:28:59] greater family.
[1:29:01] This is interesting because we now know
[1:29:04] that in recent times, recent within the
[1:29:07] last couple of years, there's a
[1:29:08] disclosure process that's trying to
[1:29:10] happen
[1:29:12] uh on a a governmental level between us.
[1:29:16] Disclosure means something that it means
[1:29:18] to CNN, you know, or Fox News or MSNBC.
[1:29:23] uh the reluctance to come forward with
[1:29:27] the the evidence that is being
[1:29:30] presented. I think one of the reasons
[1:29:32] for that is because once it is actually
[1:29:38] admitted what we all suspect that we
[1:29:41] have that communication that we have
[1:29:43] technology
[1:29:45] uh from beyond this world. It opens the
[1:29:49] door to our origin and to the truth of
[1:29:52] our origin and to the power of our
[1:29:54] divinity which is counter to the
[1:29:56] narrative. Divinity is about expansion
[1:30:00] and freedom and localized living of
[1:30:03] health and healing. What's being pushed
[1:30:05] on us right now is centralization,
[1:30:08] control, contraction.
[1:30:11] And you don't hear so much in mainstream
[1:30:13] about taking care of the body. It's it's
[1:30:15] here take this to fix the body that
[1:30:18] you've broken by living the life that
[1:30:20] we've given you eating the food that
[1:30:22] we've given you or what they call food.
[1:30:25] Uh so it's a very very different
[1:30:27] narrative. So, so everything we're
[1:30:28] talking about even goes down to to
[1:30:31] what's happening with uh with disclosure
[1:30:34] and it's all part of once that happens
[1:30:37] that speaks to our divinity that speaks
[1:30:40] to the battle between good and evil that
[1:30:42] speaks to to the freedom of our
[1:30:44] humanness so it's not separate from I
[1:30:47] think it's a big part of it and that's
[1:30:48] why there's so much resistance to it
[1:30:49] right now in my opinion one man's
[1:30:51] opinion
[1:30:52] yeah so of course we're exploring things
[1:30:54] here that we're not you know We're
[1:30:58] examining some various different
[1:30:59] possibilities at something that is
[1:31:01] beyond apparently beyond impossible to
[1:31:03] have occurred 200,000 years ago. But
[1:31:05] somehow there's consilience around all
[1:31:08] these ancient sites and civilizations
[1:31:11] back to ancient Sumerians to the
[1:31:13] Egyptians um that have similarities in
[1:31:16] their creation story. Even going to that
[1:31:18] the book of the sephur yet of the book
[1:31:21] of creation that gives this ancient uh
[1:31:23] Hebrew text that shares a kind of
[1:31:26] eyewitness moment of what happened for
[1:31:29] for that moment of creation
[1:31:31] with the understanding that you know
[1:31:34] these are these are all possibilities.
[1:31:36] What do you feel like could have
[1:31:38] happened actually 200,000 years ago?
[1:31:40] What kind of intervention possibly would
[1:31:43] have occurred? you know, there's these
[1:31:45] depictions of these beings with
[1:31:46] elongated skulls. Um, there's these
[1:31:49] various stories from different ancient
[1:31:51] wisdom traditions that say various
[1:31:52] different things, but there all are a
[1:31:54] lot of similarities. And so, um, what
[1:31:57] what do you to the best of your ability
[1:31:59] and knowledge feel like uh could have
[1:32:01] actually happened?
[1:32:02] Well, from a a scientific perspective, I
[1:32:06] believe that a form of gene editing
[1:32:08] happened where we were infused. If you
[1:32:11] go back to chromosome
[1:32:13] number two, what I didn't say
[1:32:17] because it wasn't part of the topic at
[1:32:19] in the moment. Chromosome number two is
[1:32:22] the the fusion of two preexisting
[1:32:27] chromosomes that were in primates here
[1:32:30] on Earth at that time. They weren't
[1:32:32] humans.
[1:32:34] So 200,000 years ago, it appears that
[1:32:38] the most evolved species on Earth was
[1:32:41] selected and infused with genetic
[1:32:46] material from a higher more evolved
[1:32:50] species that we call gods. And we are
[1:32:53] the product of that. We have we have the
[1:32:56] muscle strength and we have the um
[1:33:02] the bodies the physicality and the
[1:33:04] sexuality of the forms of life that
[1:33:08] we're here on earth infused with the
[1:33:10] DNA. And now bear in mind the DNA is the
[1:33:13] antenna. So we are attuned to
[1:33:17] information and a way of knowing and a
[1:33:19] way of being that's more than what was
[1:33:22] ever available. and cannot be to those
[1:33:25] other primates because their DNA antenna
[1:33:28] is different. They're they're tuned in
[1:33:30] to something very very different. So we
[1:33:32] are already we are a hybrid of what our
[1:33:36] ancestors called human and God or animal
[1:33:39] and God and the product is human. human
[1:33:42] is this is this hybrid and the you know
[1:33:46] depending on which text you you want to
[1:33:48] go to they are you know just full of the
[1:33:52] stories about how this happened from
[1:33:54] different you know different
[1:33:55] perspectives whether you call them the
[1:33:57] angels
[1:33:58] from the heavens or the gods from the
[1:34:00] heavens uh and you know all kinds of
[1:34:03] stories about that but they're very
[1:34:04] clear and these these are the books in
[1:34:06] the 4th century the books that were left
[1:34:08] out of the Christian cannon
[1:34:12] uh are called apocrypha and these are
[1:34:14] the books like the book of Enoch is for
[1:34:17] example Redhe Wiser is a publisher that
[1:34:20] has re-released the book of Enoch and
[1:34:22] they asked me to write the forward uh
[1:34:25] for the the new release and and I did
[1:34:27] that and the book of Enoch it's not an
[1:34:31] easy read um it's not a long book but it
[1:34:35] is a story from the prophet Enoch
[1:34:39] uh of exactly what we're talking about
[1:34:42] of the angels in the heavens uh who came
[1:34:46] to observe and protect
[1:34:49] actually were enamored and fell in love
[1:34:53] with uh with humans and that was the
[1:34:56] fall that was the descent that was the
[1:34:58] fall from heaven and began to to
[1:35:02] procreate with them and we we are the
[1:35:04] product of that. So
[1:35:06] when we look at the big picture of of
[1:35:08] light and dark, good and evil, I mean it
[1:35:11] just goes so deep into all of this. But
[1:35:13] that is playing out I think in our our
[1:35:16] lives right now. I think whether I had
[1:35:19] the the opportunity uh in the 1990s
[1:35:21] before he died I toured with Zachariah
[1:35:23] Sitchin and he wrote the the Chronicles
[1:35:26] the Earth Chronicles books and he talked
[1:35:29] about this extensively
[1:35:32] and I I want to be really clear. Right.
[1:35:33] I think he was an amazing scholar. I
[1:35:36] don't agree with all of his
[1:35:38] interpretation
[1:35:40] um from the the CUNI form text. He
[1:35:44] believed that we we were created to be a
[1:35:46] slave
[1:35:48] species to do the work, the mining of
[1:35:52] elements on this planet that were needed
[1:35:55] by other another race.
[1:35:59] We may have been enslaved at some point
[1:36:01] in our past. I don't think that's the
[1:36:03] reason that we're created. This is a a
[1:36:06] very important distinction. I don't
[1:36:07] think that's why we are as we are. It
[1:36:10] may have happened to us by those we may
[1:36:14] have been enslaved by those who have had
[1:36:15] power over us. And there are stories
[1:36:18] about how that happened and and when
[1:36:21] that happened. But this is a fundamental
[1:36:23] difference a fundamental difference
[1:36:24] between Sitchin and I is he thought
[1:36:27] that's that was the purpose of our
[1:36:28] existence. And I don't see the evidence
[1:36:30] for that at all. I think we are we are
[1:36:34] so much more than that and it's a a
[1:36:36] whole deep conversation about why we're
[1:36:40] created and and who we are and and what
[1:36:43] this creation really is all about. But
[1:36:45] the the bottom line for me is that we
[1:36:48] now have the science
[1:36:51] that tells us uh that we are more than
[1:36:57] lucky biology.
[1:36:58] Yeah.
[1:36:59] And I think that's important. And now we
[1:37:01] know there's literally information coded
[1:37:03] into the DNA of our bodies. You know
[1:37:06] what the scientific papers are now
[1:37:08] saying once Japanese scientists prove
[1:37:11] this 2007. Now what they're saying is
[1:37:13] that DNA is a denser storage medium than
[1:37:16] flash drive that uh it takes no energy
[1:37:21] to hold the information once once it's
[1:37:24] it's imbued into the DNA. And as long as
[1:37:28] one
[1:37:30] example of that life continues to live,
[1:37:34] that message
[1:37:36] remains for thousands of years, millions
[1:37:39] of years. They're now storing the
[1:37:40] Library of Congress in the United States
[1:37:43] in bacteria that is radiation resistant.
[1:37:46] In the event we ever, god forbid, have a
[1:37:50] nuclear war and all our information is
[1:37:53] wiped out, if the bacteria survives
[1:37:57] and if we have one computer that is
[1:37:59] preserved that can pull it out, we can
[1:38:01] start over again. I mean, this is how
[1:38:04] how deep this information how deep this
[1:38:07] goes. So, I've heard you share about
[1:38:09] these 5,125
[1:38:13] year cycles and five of them would be
[1:38:15] equated to the procession of the equinox
[1:38:17] and how humanity might be in this
[1:38:19] cyclical time, not linear time. Can you
[1:38:22] share about that?
[1:38:24] I can
[1:38:26] and I'm happy to, but I think I think
[1:38:28] the new discoveries are showing
[1:38:31] something even deeper than that. And
[1:38:34] I'll just mention if you want to go
[1:38:35] there, we can.
[1:38:37] Um, I think beyond
[1:38:40] any reasonable doubt, what the physics
[1:38:43] is showing is that we are in a virtual
[1:38:45] reality. We're in a simulated
[1:38:47] experience. Or Stephen Hawking before he
[1:38:50] died, this was his last
[1:38:52] his last quest, he wanted to know if we
[1:38:54] are living in what he called a base
[1:38:56] reality. Is this the reality or are we a
[1:39:00] spin-off of of a a base reality that's
[1:39:03] happening somewhere else? was Nick Boowm
[1:39:06] uh 2001 put together the first algorithm
[1:39:10] plugged in a lot of variables and uh to
[1:39:14] determine what are the odds that this is
[1:39:16] a virtual reality and the bottom line is
[1:39:19] the odds are much greater than not that
[1:39:22] we are living in a simulated reality. Uh
[1:39:26] the physics our physics actually makes
[1:39:29] more sense. There's not much to us. We
[1:39:31] are pretty much when I say we're empty
[1:39:33] beings, I don't mean that from a
[1:39:35] spiritual
[1:39:36] perspective. But when you look at an
[1:39:38] atom and the atom is mostly empty space
[1:39:41] and we are that's what we are a lot of
[1:39:43] empty space in in those atoms.
[1:39:46] One of the amazing experiments that was
[1:39:49] done early in the 20th century. It was
[1:39:50] called the double slit experiment. I
[1:39:53] know many of our viewers are probably
[1:39:55] familiar with this.
[1:39:57] What they found was that um a particle
[1:40:02] will behave differently when it's being
[1:40:04] observed and when it's not being
[1:40:06] observed. If if it's not being observed,
[1:40:08] it is a wave of energy. When it's being
[1:40:11] observed, it collapses into a particle
[1:40:14] of reality.
[1:40:16] In a simulation theory, this is
[1:40:18] fascinating, Andre, because as a
[1:40:21] computer scientist, I I know this. When
[1:40:24] you're building a big simulation,
[1:40:27] it takes so much memory in a computer to
[1:40:30] hold the entire simulation present when
[1:40:33] you're not using all the simulation. So,
[1:40:36] what happens if you got a computer game,
[1:40:39] when your avatar opens the door to a
[1:40:41] room, it's only when they open the door
[1:40:43] to that room that the room appears
[1:40:45] because it would take so much memory to
[1:40:46] always have that room sitting there if
[1:40:48] nobody's using it. That appears to be
[1:40:51] the way our world works. This is what
[1:40:54] the double slit experiment was showing.
[1:40:56] If if there nobody is looking, it's pure
[1:40:59] energy.
[1:40:59] And also just the Nobel Prize recently
[1:41:02] for local realism being proof false.
[1:41:04] Exactly. Yeah. The Nobel Prize for this
[1:41:06] and and now uh well the whole point of
[1:41:10] the simulation theory and what's
[1:41:12] important for me and where it ties into
[1:41:14] the indigenous traditions that you're
[1:41:16] talking about.
[1:41:18] uh as a former computer scientist, I'm
[1:41:22] not actively doing it now, my my job was
[1:41:24] pattern recognition software as a senior
[1:41:27] computer systems designer during the
[1:41:29] Cold War years. And
[1:41:32] one of the
[1:41:34] uh one of the amazing things that we
[1:41:37] found in terms of simulations
[1:41:40] is that they run on cycles. So you have
[1:41:43] a simulation and then what's happening
[1:41:45] in the simulation are subprograms that
[1:41:49] are running these cycles that reset
[1:41:52] themselves to keep the simulation going.
[1:41:55] Um
[1:41:58] it was about the the time of the end of
[1:42:00] the cold war in the early 90s when the
[1:42:02] concept of fractal mathematics and the
[1:42:05] mandler set was an example of of the
[1:42:08] fractal mathematics really came into
[1:42:11] vogue and the interesting thing if you
[1:42:14] bring up one of those fra you can go on
[1:42:17] you know you can google it and it'll
[1:42:18] bring up a a little u you know a little
[1:42:21] model where it just keeps zooming in
[1:42:24] forever. ever and ever and ever into the
[1:42:26] fractal. The the way that works is that
[1:42:28] there is a very simple formula
[1:42:31] that is set up where the answer becomes
[1:42:36] the input for the next iteration. And
[1:42:38] all you do is is you add you bump up
[1:42:41] maybe one, you increment by one, feed
[1:42:44] that back into the equation, and now
[1:42:46] that's giving you a new image. And
[1:42:48] you're doing it through a computer. It
[1:42:49] keeps things going. We appear to be
[1:42:51] living in something like that. We know
[1:42:54] that nature as complex as it looks is
[1:42:57] actually very simple and it's based on
[1:42:59] just a few fundamental patterns that our
[1:43:02] ancestors called the platonic solids for
[1:43:06] example and all of nature is based on
[1:43:09] those platonic solids. And the
[1:43:12] we know that our world is holographic
[1:43:15] that
[1:43:17] the whole is reflected in every every
[1:43:20] piece. We know that it is entangled.
[1:43:23] There was a Nobel Prize for entanglement
[1:43:25] that was was just awarded a couple of
[1:43:28] years ago. And we know that it is
[1:43:30] fractal. And what that means is there
[1:43:32] just a few patterns that are feeding
[1:43:35] into this equation, this iterative
[1:43:38] equation on different scales. So for
[1:43:41] example, you look at an atom.
[1:43:44] An atom, the old model of an atom was
[1:43:46] here's a nucleus and some electrons
[1:43:48] moving around. That looks a whole lot
[1:43:49] like a solar system with uh a sun and
[1:43:53] some planets moving around. It looks a
[1:43:55] whole lot like a galaxy with a black
[1:43:57] hole and and you know uh or universe and
[1:44:02] and galaxies moving around it. It's the
[1:44:05] same pattern just different scale. And
[1:44:09] this is the way a simulation will work.
[1:44:10] This is the way our our world would
[1:44:12] work. What our ancestors told us is
[1:44:14] every once in a while we go through what
[1:44:17] we would call a reset. And I think that
[1:44:21] was the the 2012 phenomenon was
[1:44:23] identifying that in the Mayan calendar.
[1:44:26] What makes this really interesting a lot
[1:44:28] of people don't know this is 2012
[1:44:32] was not the reset.
[1:44:35] 2012 marked
[1:44:38] the end of a cosmic relationship, an
[1:44:41] alignment with the ecliptic of our solar
[1:44:44] system and the sun and the Milky Way.
[1:44:47] But you don't stop a cycle on a dime.
[1:44:49] You don't stop it at noon, you know, on
[1:44:51] on December 21st. There's a a buffer, a
[1:44:54] window where you you phase from one to
[1:44:57] another. And there's a mathematical
[1:45:00] formula that tells you how long that
[1:45:02] window is. For 2012, it's a 36-year long
[1:45:05] window. 18 years before 2012, 18 years
[1:45:09] after 2030 is the end of that 2012
[1:45:14] cycle. It's when we we actually move
[1:45:17] into a new world. Now, the Mayans told
[1:45:20] us, they said, uh, you're not going to
[1:45:22] recognize your world. You won't
[1:45:23] recognize yourself. You won't recognize
[1:45:26] your your land any longer. And everybody
[1:45:28] said, "Haha," you know, and now it's
[1:45:32] hard to recognize our world. Our
[1:45:34] boundaries are changing. Our borders are
[1:45:35] changing. Our nations are changing. And
[1:45:37] we're changing. And 2030 happens to be
[1:45:40] the year that the UN has targeted for
[1:45:44] come hell or high water, they want those
[1:45:47] sustainable development goals in that
[1:45:49] year. Why that year? Why why not 2035,
[1:45:52] you know, or not? Why not 20,
[1:45:55] you know, 2028 or 2029? They're on and
[1:46:00] World Economic Forum is targeted 2030.
[1:46:02] And so many people are looking at 2030
[1:46:04] is something is incoming
[1:46:07] in the year 2030 and the powers that be
[1:46:10] are jockeying for position of control
[1:46:13] and power before that something occurs.
[1:46:17] uh and I think the Mayan calendar is
[1:46:20] giving us insight into what that is that
[1:46:23] we can expect as well as the Hindu
[1:46:25] traditions. We're definitely in the
[1:46:27] Kaliuga and you know different phases of
[1:46:29] the Kaluga. I was with the um some of
[1:46:33] the native North American traditions as
[1:46:36] well. The Hopi prophecy rock uh shows us
[1:46:39] we have had two great shakings in our
[1:46:42] past. They call the first and second
[1:46:44] world war.
[1:46:46] There's a point on their petroglyph
[1:46:49] timeline that we have now passed and in
[1:46:53] front of us lies a third great shaking.
[1:46:56] And when I have asked the elders in the
[1:46:58] past, I says that what does that mean?
[1:46:59] What is the shaking? Does that mean a
[1:47:01] war? And they said we don't know. They
[1:47:03] said it it's a a shift. Um but we don't
[1:47:06] know for sure what that will mean. When
[1:47:09] I'm in the Yucatan and I talk to the the
[1:47:12] Mayan elders and we look at the the
[1:47:15] Mayan calendar, it shows four worlds
[1:47:18] before ours, 5,000year cycles. And then
[1:47:21] the fifth world is that face right in
[1:47:22] the center. Each of those four worlds
[1:47:26] has a a petroglyph
[1:47:28] that describes how that world ended. So
[1:47:32] there was a world that ended in wind and
[1:47:34] one that ended in fire, one that ended
[1:47:37] in ice and one that ended in a flood.
[1:47:40] And I say, "Okay, the petetroglyph in
[1:47:42] the middle, that face, how's this world
[1:47:45] end?" And they said, "That is the
[1:47:46] petetroglyph for movement."
[1:47:49] And I said, "What does that mean?" And
[1:47:51] they said, "We don't know." I said, "Are
[1:47:54] you talking about like does the earth
[1:47:56] move or is there a, you know, a shift in
[1:47:59] the land?" They said it could be a
[1:48:02] movement of consciousness. It could be a
[1:48:04] movement of people, a migration. It
[1:48:06] could be a movement of the earth. We
[1:48:07] don't know. We just know that that is
[1:48:10] the petetroglyph for movement. They're
[1:48:11] very honest about that. So those
[1:48:15] traditions, they're all pointing to
[1:48:17] sometime in our very near future as
[1:48:20] being uh some kind of an energetic
[1:48:23] reset.
[1:48:25] And this is part of the bigger
[1:48:26] conversation. If we are in a simulation,
[1:48:28] it makes sense that every once in a
[1:48:30] while we would go through some kind of
[1:48:32] of a reset. Not the end, just a change.
[1:48:37] And I think what we're all learning is
[1:48:40] by being the best version of ourselves,
[1:48:43] by accessing our divinity,
[1:48:45] celebrating our divinity, our
[1:48:47] imagination, our creativity.
[1:48:50] Uh,
[1:48:53] I use this word a lot, the deep truth of
[1:48:55] what it means to be human, our healing,
[1:48:58] our love, our forgiveness, all of those
[1:49:01] qualities. By doing that, we are
[1:49:03] prepared for that reset whenever it
[1:49:07] happens. Rather than being afraid of the
[1:49:09] reset and trying to defend against or
[1:49:13] some way, there are scientists now that
[1:49:15] believe they can stop the reset. uh they
[1:49:18] want to change there are proposals right
[1:49:21] now because we have the technology. They
[1:49:23] want to change the orbit of our planet
[1:49:26] to shift our relationship to the sun and
[1:49:30] the center of the Milky Way so that we
[1:49:32] shift our relationship to time. In my
[1:49:35] opinion, there are some things we
[1:49:36] shouldn't mess with. Okay. Human genome
[1:49:39] is one of those and the orbit of Earth
[1:49:41] in space.
[1:49:42] That's wild.
[1:49:43] Well, it is wild, but it's an example.
[1:49:45] It's insane, Andre. It's like kids
[1:49:48] playing with toys. They unlock
[1:49:52] just enough of the mystery to be able to
[1:49:55] tweak that mystery without thinking it
[1:49:57] through. Without thinking through what
[1:50:00] are the consequences?
[1:50:02] Is this a responsible thing to do? Is it
[1:50:05] moral thing to do? Do we have the right
[1:50:07] to do this? And uh and this is where I I
[1:50:11] come to blows with some of my scientific
[1:50:13] friends because I I believe that there
[1:50:16] is a moral imperative to preserve our
[1:50:19] humanness and to preserve the planet. To
[1:50:21] preserve the planet just because we can
[1:50:23] doesn't mean we should.
[1:50:25] So the simulation conversation is very
[1:50:28] revealing into the ephemeral nature that
[1:50:30] is our reality. and um I think is very
[1:50:33] interesting and also like we just kind
[1:50:35] of briefly mentioned how these you know
[1:50:38] through the place to scene geological
[1:50:40] era the comet strike and the end of
[1:50:42] civilizations that have occurred
[1:50:44] previously uh
[1:50:47] the consilian between Sumerians ancient
[1:50:51] Egypt a lot of these point towards this
[1:50:54] mother civilization and um civilizations
[1:50:57] that had much more advanced technology
[1:51:00] than any people in in the modern uh
[1:51:03] academia world right now would
[1:51:05] like to explore. Um but I think it's
[1:51:08] really important because in many ways of
[1:51:11] time in in this kind of humanities and
[1:51:13] this cyclical flow what is coming is
[1:51:16] also what we've experienced in the past
[1:51:18] in these ancient civilizations. And so I
[1:51:20] just want to reflect a little bit more
[1:51:22] on
[1:51:23] these ancient technologies and
[1:51:24] civilizations that could have existed
[1:51:27] that also point to what occurred a
[1:51:29] couple hundred thousand years ago. And
[1:51:31] um and so what do you Yeah. What do you
[1:51:33] see as a as a strong possibility for
[1:51:35] these ancient mother civilizations?
[1:51:40] Earth is not what we've been told and
[1:51:43] our past is not what we've been told and
[1:51:47] we are more than we've been led to
[1:51:50] believe. And I think all that's being
[1:51:52] revealed right now. I I think some of
[1:51:55] the most revealing evidence is not even
[1:51:58] on Earth. It's on the moon. Uh and the
[1:52:01] moon itself. There's a growing body of
[1:52:03] evidence to suggest that the the moon is
[1:52:06] an artificial body that it was
[1:52:08] engineered. Uh I just did a um a video
[1:52:12] on this recently, an interview. And I
[1:52:15] mean it's fascinating. One of the things
[1:52:18] I mean it's so deep I'm not even sure
[1:52:19] where to begin here. One of the first
[1:52:21] things that scientists noticed is we all
[1:52:24] know the moon is covered in meteorites.
[1:52:28] big ones, small ones, overlapping ones,
[1:52:31] but they will not go below a certain
[1:52:34] depth. They're hitting something that
[1:52:37] doesn't allow them to go below a certain
[1:52:39] depth. Uh in the 60s and then again in
[1:52:43] the '9s, scientists
[1:52:46] did things that they weren't really
[1:52:48] supposed to do on the moon. One of those
[1:52:50] is that they um they sent a missile in
[1:52:55] the '9s to the moon to a crater, a very
[1:52:58] specific crater in the moon. There's a
[1:52:59] lot of controversy around what happened,
[1:53:02] but when that missile hit, uh the
[1:53:06] seismic recorders picked up that the
[1:53:09] moon was ringing like a bell for hours,
[1:53:13] which is not what a solid planet would
[1:53:15] do. Uh, and there's the reports have
[1:53:19] been declassified through Freedman
[1:53:20] Information. You can find them find them
[1:53:22] on the internet. The um the samples that
[1:53:26] the astronauts brought back. I had the
[1:53:28] opportunity to tour with Ed Mitchell in
[1:53:30] the '9s as well before he he passed was
[1:53:33] the founder of the Institute of Noetic
[1:53:35] Sciences, sixman to walk on the moon.
[1:53:38] And we did go to the moon and he did
[1:53:41] walk on the moon. Uh I'm not sure we
[1:53:44] went at exactly the very first time,
[1:53:47] exactly the way we said, but we
[1:53:49] definitely have have been to the moon.
[1:53:52] One of the things that they found when
[1:53:54] they brought the soil samples back is
[1:53:56] that there are materials in those
[1:53:59] samples that are not formed in nature.
[1:54:03] Uh they're artificial materials, metals
[1:54:06] that do not form in nature. And there
[1:54:09] they are in in the soil. The orbit of
[1:54:12] the moon is anomalous to any other moon
[1:54:16] to its planet in our solar system in the
[1:54:18] sense that it is offset just enough to
[1:54:22] create the tidal motion of the oceans
[1:54:25] that holds the earth
[1:54:28] uh relatively stable.
[1:54:31] And there are indigenous traditions,
[1:54:33] Andre, this is fascinating that I don't
[1:54:35] know how deep you want to go into all
[1:54:36] this, but they talk about the time
[1:54:38] possible.
[1:54:39] Well, there there are writings there are
[1:54:40] writings out there before they talk
[1:54:42] about the time before the moon existed.
[1:54:45] And before the moon existed, the tides
[1:54:48] were horrendous. They were 400 ft tides
[1:54:51] that would come and wash over over the
[1:54:54] land. And they do it on a rhythmic basis
[1:54:57] and it was a very unstable environment.
[1:54:59] the the moon is what stabilized that.
[1:55:01] But it can only happen other other moons
[1:55:06] are aligned with the equators of their
[1:55:07] planets. Our moon is not aligned with
[1:55:09] our equator. It's the only one that's
[1:55:10] not. It is offset at just the right
[1:55:13] angle to stabilize the ocean. What are
[1:55:16] the odds of that happening? you know,
[1:55:18] just by chance, the the number of of
[1:55:23] lunar
[1:55:26] circumferences between the Earth and the
[1:55:28] Moon. Uh, I didn't know we were going to
[1:55:31] talk about this. I don't have the
[1:55:32] numbers exact right now, but there's a
[1:55:34] very specific, it's a geometric ratio of
[1:55:37] how many moons fit between the Earth uh,
[1:55:40] and the Moon and the Moon and the Sun.
[1:55:42] I think it's 108.
[1:55:44] I'm thinking it's 108 because it's tied
[1:55:45] into the Buddhist traditions. And that's
[1:55:47] the 108 is the beads on the uh on the
[1:55:50] mala.
[1:55:51] And I mean it just goes on and on.
[1:55:53] There's so many factors that strongly
[1:55:56] suggest that the moon is uh is
[1:55:58] engineered. And as well as the two moons
[1:56:01] of of Mars, uh Daimos and and Phobos,
[1:56:03] which are are smaller and not spherical,
[1:56:07] but they also appear to be hollow and
[1:56:09] engineered.
[1:56:10] uh who was around engineering moons,
[1:56:14] you know, and how long ago could that
[1:56:16] have happened? And I think all of this
[1:56:19] when we look at the as a geologist,
[1:56:24] um
[1:56:26] okay, I didn't know we were going to
[1:56:27] talk about this, so we'll just do a a
[1:56:29] deep dive here.
[1:56:31] Um and I'll start at the center of
[1:56:36] the galaxy.
[1:56:38] Every once in a while there is a a burst
[1:56:43] of what's called a volley of cosmic
[1:56:45] energy that comes from the center of the
[1:56:48] Milky Way uh cosmic rays
[1:56:52] through
[1:56:54] through the through the solar system
[1:56:56] through the galaxy including our solar
[1:56:58] system.
[1:57:00] Cosmic rays are usually no big deal.
[1:57:02] Like we're getting cosmic rays right
[1:57:04] now. And because there's so much space
[1:57:06] between in our atoms, those cosmic rays,
[1:57:09] they pass right through us. No big deal.
[1:57:10] Like we're we're getting them right now.
[1:57:12] Everybody is.
[1:57:14] The center of our planet is so dense
[1:57:18] from the pressure of the planet and it
[1:57:20] is so hot that when those cosmic ray
[1:57:23] volleys when they hit the center of the
[1:57:26] earth, they can't pass through. And what
[1:57:28] they do is they end up heating up the
[1:57:30] core. It's called perturbance.
[1:57:32] uh and the the core actually heats and
[1:57:35] it shifts
[1:57:37] its location. So when you look at the
[1:57:39] cross-section of the earth, here's
[1:57:40] here's the core of the earth which is
[1:57:44] believed to be iron and nickel solid
[1:57:46] iron nickel core. Now recently, just
[1:57:49] within the last few months, geologists
[1:57:51] believe that there's a core inside of
[1:57:53] that made of something even denser. They
[1:57:55] don't know what it is. So right now the
[1:57:58] core of the earth it's dense iron nickel
[1:58:02] that's the inner core. The outer core is
[1:58:04] a molten core and the inner core kind of
[1:58:07] floats in that outer core. And then
[1:58:12] beyond that we have the mantle. It's
[1:58:14] about 1,800 miles thick. And then beyond
[1:58:17] that we have the crust that we live on.
[1:58:19] It's only about 36 miles thick. The
[1:58:21] average depth of the crust is about 36
[1:58:23] miles.
[1:58:24] So when those cosmic ray volleys come
[1:58:27] in, they can't pass through the core.
[1:58:31] What they do is they heat it up uh and
[1:58:34] it begins to change its rotation and
[1:58:37] where it is in the molten outer core
[1:58:41] that those ripples those pertabbations
[1:58:44] are then translated into the mantle and
[1:58:48] the mantle begins to upwell into the
[1:58:51] crust in places where it hasn't in the
[1:58:55] past. usually along fault lines where
[1:58:58] it's thin, the crust is thin and and
[1:59:00] where it's weak. So scientists now have
[1:59:04] and u I've got images of these. You can
[1:59:06] see there are what are called mantle
[1:59:08] plumes
[1:59:10] where the mantle
[1:59:13] uh is is leaking this molten
[1:59:18] stuff. Uh and it's there's one big plume
[1:59:21] in the Pacific and one right under the
[1:59:23] Middle East underneath Turkey and
[1:59:25] Pakistan and where the big earthquakes
[1:59:28] have happened and one right under in the
[1:59:31] Pacific where the earthquakes are are
[1:59:32] happening right now as well. So here's
[1:59:35] where this gets interesting. That cosmic
[1:59:37] ray volley happens about every 26,000
[1:59:41] years.
[1:59:42] And it takes about 26,000 years for the
[1:59:47] cosmic rays to travel from the center of
[1:59:49] our Milky Way to reach our planet. 2012
[1:59:52] was actually talking about the cosmic
[1:59:56] ray volley coming into the earth.
[2:00:00] When this happens, it heats the earth
[2:00:02] from the inside and this causes the
[2:00:04] climate change. It's very controversial.
[2:00:07] Humans are not causing the climate
[2:00:08] change. We're contributing. We have to
[2:00:11] because we're kicking stuff into the
[2:00:13] atmosphere. But here's the thing. The
[2:00:16] oceans are producing the CO2 that
[2:00:19] scientists are are measuring. And let me
[2:00:22] just give you some ideas. About 330
[2:00:25] gigatons per year come from the ocean.
[2:00:27] About 43 gigatons come from us and our
[2:00:30] cars. I mean, you can see the the
[2:00:32] magnitude.
[2:00:34] And the oceans are actually warming from
[2:00:37] underneath.
[2:00:38] If it were humancaused CO2, the
[2:00:42] atmosphere would be warming the oceans
[2:00:44] from the top down. That's not what's
[2:00:45] happening. The glaciers are melting.
[2:00:46] Greenland's melting from underneath.
[2:00:48] Antarctica is melting from underneath.
[2:00:50] Uh the scientists that know this, it
[2:00:54] it's been politicized and it's hard to
[2:00:56] talk about it.
[2:00:58] Rather than creating a war against
[2:01:01] climate change that we didn't cause, in
[2:01:03] my opinion, what we need to do is
[2:01:05] fortify.
[2:01:07] And there are things that we can do to
[2:01:10] mitigate that climate change. We can
[2:01:13] bury our our power grids, for example,
[2:01:15] so they're not susceptible to the the
[2:01:17] cold or,
[2:01:19] you know, the hurricanes or whatever it
[2:01:20] is that that's happening. But this this
[2:01:22] is something that um that we can expect
[2:01:25] over these next few years, more
[2:01:27] earthquakes, and that we've seen more
[2:01:29] earthquakes magnitude six and above in
[2:01:31] the last 20 years at these plate
[2:01:33] junctions. So in the Middle East there's
[2:01:35] a it's a triple plate junction, three
[2:01:37] plates coming together right underneath
[2:01:39] Turkey, 7.8 magnitude. Uh then they had
[2:01:42] one in Pakistan.
[2:01:44] I think it was 2019 or 2020 it was 7 7.6
[2:01:48] or something like that. And it's almost
[2:01:52] once it happens on one side like in the
[2:01:54] Pacific you'll see it happen on the
[2:01:56] other side as well. So the good news
[2:01:58] we're in California right now and we're
[2:02:01] on one of those plate junctions. The
[2:02:03] good news in California is that
[2:02:06] underneath the way our plates are coming
[2:02:08] together, you typically don't get a big
[2:02:11] earthquake. What you get is a continuous
[2:02:14] low rumble. You can't tell where one
[2:02:17] stops, another one starts, but they're
[2:02:20] all magnitude one to two, maybe three.
[2:02:23] So there's a a constant steady release
[2:02:26] of energy which is good rather than
[2:02:29] everything being quiet and building up
[2:02:30] and all of a sudden you know you don't
[2:02:32] want that.
[2:02:33] So
[2:02:35] so we know that this happens about every
[2:02:38] 12,000 years. 12,000 years ago
[2:02:43] uh it creates a lot of volcanic activity
[2:02:47] and every 12,000 years we have what is
[2:02:50] called a a super volcano.
[2:02:53] Uh we've got one that happened 12,000
[2:02:55] years ago. We've got one that happened
[2:02:56] 24,000 years ago. You can you can go
[2:02:58] back and see. And it's that super
[2:03:02] volcano that kicks up the sulfur dioxide
[2:03:06] into the atmosphere that actually brings
[2:03:08] about the cooling that we are going into
[2:03:10] now. Earth is actually going into a
[2:03:12] cooling. And you notice they are not
[2:03:14] calling it global warming anymore. They
[2:03:16] they dropped that term because they know
[2:03:18] we're cooling. They're just calling it
[2:03:19] climate change. So, we've seen a history
[2:03:22] of this. This ties into what you're
[2:03:24] talking about. Ancient civilizations
[2:03:26] rise and fall and have been obliterated
[2:03:30] during the times that uh that we've gone
[2:03:33] through these big these big shifts.
[2:03:37] Some of them um
[2:03:39] have uh we're now finding them
[2:03:41] underneath massive mudslides. For
[2:03:44] example, there are satellite images
[2:03:47] showing on the west coast of the United
[2:03:49] States um the the river flows from the
[2:03:54] Rockies out into the Pacific, for
[2:03:56] example, and underneath that these
[2:03:59] massive mud flows, they're finding
[2:04:00] archaeological remnants of advanced
[2:04:02] civilizations that people want to talk
[2:04:04] about. Antarctica
[2:04:06] is an example. Uh the ice covering
[2:04:10] Antarctica right now
[2:04:13] when the Earth was warming, the ice was
[2:04:16] melting, allowing satellite penetration
[2:04:19] into the ice. And what they found, and
[2:04:21] these weren't like primitive huts. These
[2:04:22] are massive, complex archaeological
[2:04:25] structures. If you go to Google Earth
[2:04:28] right now, there's a big part of
[2:04:29] Antarctica that's pixelated out. They
[2:04:31] won't let you see it. I have images
[2:04:33] before they pixelated. And you can see
[2:04:36] in archaeology
[2:04:38] when you see a 90deree angle, nature
[2:04:40] doesn't carve 90° angles. So wind
[2:04:44] it's called uh aolon erosion, fluial
[2:04:47] erosion, water erosion, they never
[2:04:48] happen in 90° angles. And what you see
[2:04:51] are massive 90° angles, huge complexes
[2:04:54] underneath the ice. and some of them
[2:04:56] sticking up out of the ice, big walls,
[2:04:58] as well as four-sided pyramids, uh two
[2:05:03] uh 2 km by 2 km by 2 km by 2 km, the
[2:05:06] massive structures down there, and the
[2:05:10] ice has been there 20,000 years. So, you
[2:05:13] say, well, either someone, as a
[2:05:15] scientist, you have to say this, either
[2:05:17] someone built in the ice or those
[2:05:20] structures were there before the ice
[2:05:22] occurred. And these that ice happened at
[2:05:26] two cycles ago, 12,000year cycles ago.
[2:05:29] So we are uh 12,000 to 13,000 is half of
[2:05:35] one of those cosmic ray volleys. So you
[2:05:39] get the the incoming the lesser of the
[2:05:41] volley and then you get the full volley.
[2:05:43] So when we look at the history of the
[2:05:45] earth,
[2:05:47] what we are conditioned to do, we go
[2:05:49] back 5,000 years
[2:05:51] and we're saying civilization began
[2:05:53] 5,000 years ago. That's the most recent
[2:05:57] cycle
[2:05:58] uh of civilization. And you can actually
[2:06:02] plot these out on a I've done this plot
[2:06:04] these out on a graph and you see the
[2:06:06] Incan and the Aztec and the Maya and you
[2:06:09] know Rome and Greece and Egypt and and
[2:06:12] Samaria is where we say it began about
[2:06:13] 5,000 years ago and we're taught that's
[2:06:16] the history history of the world. Well,
[2:06:17] it's the history of that 5,000 year
[2:06:20] cycle. Now you go back and you look at
[2:06:22] the new discoveries goepe 13,000
[2:06:26] plus years before present. Um the great
[2:06:31] sphinx in Egypt is now being dated
[2:06:33] around 9 9 to 12,000 BP before present.
[2:06:36] Certainly the pyramid the watermarks on
[2:06:38] the pyramid are showing the erosion uh
[2:06:41] when the from when the ice melted. It
[2:06:43] means the pyramids were there when the
[2:06:44] ice melted you know 12 12,000 years ago.
[2:06:49] So there's a whole story that's
[2:06:51] beginning to to unfold that it goes back
[2:06:54] I think so much further than we've been
[2:06:58] led to believe. Now you look at the
[2:06:59] texts. You look at the kings list for
[2:07:03] example ancient Sumeriia
[2:07:06] and what you see it's really
[2:07:09] interesting. Andre have you are you
[2:07:10] familiar with the kings?
[2:07:11] I'm not.
[2:07:11] It's an archaeological remnant. It's a
[2:07:14] stellar beautiful stella. Uh it is in
[2:07:18] cuniform
[2:07:19] and it lists the kings
[2:07:22] that have ruled and some of them were
[2:07:25] ruling for periods of thousands of
[2:07:27] years. And then it lists the great flood
[2:07:30] clearly and then the rulers after began
[2:07:35] to rule only in in terms of decades or
[2:07:39] multiple decades. Now the interesting
[2:07:42] thing about the king's list is that from
[2:07:45] the time of the flood forward, every one
[2:07:48] of those rulers, their names, the length
[2:07:52] of time that they ruled is right on.
[2:07:54] It's absolutely accurate. the times
[2:07:56] before that archaeologists say, "Well,
[2:07:58] that's a story because nobody could
[2:08:01] nobody could live to 900 years old.
[2:08:03] Nobody could rule, you know, for for,
[2:08:07] you know, thousands of years. Nobody
[2:08:08] could live that long. So they they don't
[2:08:11] accept
[2:08:12] what happened before that, although they
[2:08:15] do accept because it's archaeologically
[2:08:17] proven what happened after that." Well,
[2:08:21] when you compare that list, and that's
[2:08:22] one archaeological
[2:08:24] example with what we see geologically,
[2:08:28] now you're beginning to to tell the
[2:08:30] whole story is that there have been
[2:08:31] advanced civilizations.
[2:08:34] And if we're to believe the um
[2:08:37] the Sumerian texts, they were seated
[2:08:41] from uh another world. and they are the
[2:08:45] ones that are responsible for our our
[2:08:48] genetic intervention if if that's what
[2:08:51] you want to to call that and this is
[2:08:53] what Sitchin was talking about and and
[2:08:55] others have have talked about this as
[2:08:57] well. So uh I think Antarctica is the
[2:09:01] big tell right now there's a lot of
[2:09:04] conversation around it.
[2:09:06] It's really interesting because it was
[2:09:09] declared in the during the the cold war
[2:09:12] neutral that no one could own
[2:09:14] Antarctica.
[2:09:16] Uh World War II, Germany started
[2:09:19] building bases, military bases. Then
[2:09:21] America did. Now China and you know a
[2:09:23] lot of countries have military bases.
[2:09:26] Iran has recently claimed Antarctica as
[2:09:29] Iranian
[2:09:32] uh an Iranian continent. And this just
[2:09:35] happened a couple of weeks ago. And so,
[2:09:38] you know, I think but they won't let
[2:09:40] people down there. If you try to go down
[2:09:42] as a reporter and go to the interior of
[2:09:44] the continent, you're not allowed to to
[2:09:45] go into the continent.
[2:09:47] What uh people I know that have been
[2:09:49] there, what they say is once you go
[2:09:50] through the ice on the perimeter.
[2:09:53] Uh that's not what's happening on the
[2:09:54] inside. It is it's desert. 0% humidity.
[2:09:59] I don't even know what that feels like.
[2:10:01] uh no magnetic field there because of
[2:10:05] the way the magnetic poles you're in the
[2:10:08] place in between. That would be a really
[2:10:10] interesting
[2:10:12] uh experience to feel what our bodies
[2:10:15] because we're deeply attuned to magnetic
[2:10:17] fields. What would it feel like to be in
[2:10:19] the absence of a magnetic field? You
[2:10:21] couldn't take a you know your phone,
[2:10:23] your computer, things like that.
[2:10:24] Probably I don't think they would work
[2:10:26] there. So you couldn't you couldn't do a
[2:10:29] u a FaceTime from from where that's
[2:10:32] happening. So, but I think the evidence
[2:10:36] suggests that these changes happen so
[2:10:38] quickly
[2:10:40] that whatever is in place is frozen in
[2:10:44] time. It's locked in time. So, for
[2:10:47] example, in Siberia, as a geologist,
[2:10:50] we've seen this for years. The woolly
[2:10:52] mammoths, they're now um
[2:10:55] u they're gone.
[2:10:58] But there are and it's not just one or
[2:10:59] two. They found a lot of them there.
[2:11:01] They were like in the middle of a step
[2:11:03] and they were frozen or they still had
[2:11:05] grass in their mouth. They hadn't even
[2:11:06] swallowed the grass. And the temperature
[2:11:10] dropped so quickly uh that they were
[2:11:12] just frozen in place and then covered
[2:11:14] over in in the glaciers. That appeared
[2:11:17] to have happened in Antarctica. It was a
[2:11:19] lush green tropical continent.
[2:11:23] uh and until one of these shifts
[2:11:26] happened. And when the shifts happened
[2:11:29] and the all of the geohysical
[2:11:32] parameters, the magnetic poles wandering
[2:11:34] and and all of those things,
[2:11:37] whatever was there is frozen in place.
[2:11:40] So presumably
[2:11:42] we may have the most intact of the most
[2:11:46] ancient
[2:11:48] of archaeological remnants of ancient
[2:11:50] civilizations.
[2:11:53] uh from wherever they came from,
[2:11:56] including their technology, their
[2:11:57] propulsion systems, their craft, um
[2:12:00] their agriculture, everything preserved
[2:12:03] in the ice. And I I think that is the
[2:12:05] controversy.
[2:12:07] That's why they're they don't want
[2:12:10] people down there. Are you familiar with
[2:12:12] the with Gerchief, the philosopher
[2:12:14] Gerchief? Okay. We were talking about
[2:12:16] him last week
[2:12:17] when he uh so I won't go into detail
[2:12:20] because you have to see last week's
[2:12:21] podcast.
[2:12:23] Who who was talking about it last?
[2:12:24] Robert Gilbert.
[2:12:25] Robert. Okay.
[2:12:26] Yeah.
[2:12:26] Um he talked about a place uh in the in
[2:12:32] the Middle East in the Far East actually
[2:12:35] a monastery
[2:12:37] um where he went to to learn what it is
[2:12:41] that he learned.
[2:12:44] There are other monasteries
[2:12:46] um when after the crucifixion of Jesus
[2:12:51] the Essenes
[2:12:54] were persecuted and they fled to four
[2:12:56] corners of the earth. They went into the
[2:12:59] highlands of central China what is now
[2:13:01] in Tibet. Uh they went into
[2:13:05] uh well into North America and there's
[2:13:09] evidence of those in the desert
[2:13:10] southwest. That's a whole conversation
[2:13:13] around that. They went to Egypt and they
[2:13:16] went into a part of South America that
[2:13:18] is near the border
[2:13:21] of Bolivia and Peru. It's a really
[2:13:24] heavily dense jungle.
[2:13:27] And there are two monasteries. One is an
[2:13:30] outer monastery
[2:13:32] where if people are lucky enough to find
[2:13:34] it, they'll be allowed to leave. The
[2:13:37] inner monastery. The way they keep it
[2:13:39] secret is if anyone ever finds that
[2:13:41] monastery,
[2:13:42] they're invited to stay for the rest of
[2:13:44] their lives and not allowed to leave.
[2:13:48] And that's how they keep it secret. And
[2:13:49] the way to get to that monastery is
[2:13:51] through um a native people in uh in the
[2:13:57] southern part of Peru. And it's highly
[2:13:59] highly protected, very protected down
[2:14:01] there right now.
[2:14:02] So fascinating. There's so much mystery
[2:14:05] about around Shambala, around these
[2:14:07] ancient temples and sites and
[2:14:10] I hear I hear there's one in your
[2:14:11] basement. Is that true?
[2:14:12] Yeah, that's what I hear. Uh, so man, we
[2:14:17] I mean there's a lot we just opened up
[2:14:18] there. I think all of this ultimately
[2:14:20] and I'd love to try our best to kind of
[2:14:21] tie into where we started this
[2:14:22] conversation with
[2:14:25] all these reflections about the
[2:14:26] possibilities of these ancient
[2:14:27] civilizations just point to me at least
[2:14:29] to how much we don't know how much the
[2:14:31] standard model has really closed off the
[2:14:33] potential of of these realities and
[2:14:37] reflects on the true nature of of who we
[2:14:39] are where we came from and that also
[2:14:42] points to where we are going and what we
[2:14:44] should protect within our own humanness
[2:14:46] that we were talking to earlier. Sure.
[2:14:48] So, help me kind of tie this back into
[2:14:50] where we started. And then we're what
[2:14:52] we're going to do is soon take a break
[2:14:56] and we're going to do a second podcast
[2:14:57] which is going to come out the following
[2:14:59] week from when we're releasing this one
[2:15:01] and dive deeper into the human
[2:15:02] potential, the intelligence of the heart
[2:15:04] and really unlocking that. So, so yeah,
[2:15:08] I'm just going to kind of throw back,
[2:15:10] you know, I think it we covered a lot of
[2:15:12] details for one big story. same story.
[2:15:18] And there's so many interesting
[2:15:21] avenues
[2:15:22] that we can pursue. I think it's
[2:15:24] important not to get lost in that
[2:15:27] pursuit. Not not to get lost in I'm sure
[2:15:30] for some people they're fascinated by
[2:15:31] Antarctica and they think that's the
[2:15:32] whole story, but that's a piece the
[2:15:35] bigger story. And I think what is
[2:15:36] important
[2:15:38] and the way I'd like to to close what
[2:15:40] we're doing now is that we are the
[2:15:41] story. We're the prize. We are the
[2:15:44] prize. And I began saying this and now
[2:15:47] maybe it'll make even more sense.
[2:15:50] There is a fundamental battle between
[2:15:53] good and evil that is playing out
[2:15:57] to
[2:16:00] to capture our humanity because our
[2:16:03] humanity is the conduit to our divinity.
[2:16:06] Ultimately, it's a battle for our
[2:16:07] divinity. But divinity
[2:16:10] isn't something that you can touch
[2:16:13] and hold in your hand.
[2:16:16] The human body, the temple is. So the
[2:16:21] battle that's unfolding has been
[2:16:22] unfolding through all of the
[2:16:24] civilizations that we've talked about in
[2:16:27] different ways. Uh different levels of
[2:16:30] power, different levels of control,
[2:16:32] different levels of fear, different
[2:16:34] levels of transcending that fear. not
[2:16:37] surviving but transcending that fear.
[2:16:39] And it comes down to our humanness and
[2:16:44] our willingness to embrace just how
[2:16:48] rare, how precious, how special, how
[2:16:51] sacred
[2:16:53] we are as a species
[2:16:56] and that we're worth preserving. In my
[2:16:58] opinion, I think there's something
[2:17:01] amidst all the dysfunction and all the
[2:17:04] hurt and all the anger and all the
[2:17:06] suffering. There's an essence that I
[2:17:09] think is is worth preserving. One of the
[2:17:11] things that psychologists have found is
[2:17:13] that we are actually a kind, gentle, and
[2:17:16] benevolent species.
[2:17:20] And people look around and say, "What
[2:17:21] are you talking about?"
[2:17:23] There are three conditions
[2:17:26] where we will betray our truest nature.
[2:17:29] Our truest nature is kindness,
[2:17:31] forgiveness. I think we all sense that
[2:17:33] we're good. We're a good species. We're
[2:17:35] good people.
[2:17:39] When we feel personally threatened, we
[2:17:43] will lash out and betray our truest
[2:17:45] nature and hurt others. When we feel
[2:17:49] that our families or our loved ones are
[2:17:51] threatened or when we feel that our way
[2:17:54] of life is threatened, we will betray
[2:17:57] our truest nature. And you look at all
[2:17:59] of the war, all the hurt and the
[2:18:01] suffering in the world and they all fall
[2:18:03] into one of those three categories.
[2:18:05] People either feel personally
[2:18:07] threatened, their families or their way
[2:18:09] of life is being threatened.
[2:18:12] The Essenes said this in a beautiful
[2:18:13] way. Maybe this is how we'll we'll close
[2:18:16] it.
[2:18:17] They said the only difference between
[2:18:18] the angels in the heavens and the angels
[2:18:21] that walk this earth is that the angels
[2:18:24] in the heavens remember that they're
[2:18:27] angels.
[2:18:29] And what that invites us to consider is
[2:18:32] that we are literally
[2:18:34] we are the angels walking this earth and
[2:18:37] that we've gotten lost in our hurt, in
[2:18:40] our suffering. And it's through our
[2:18:42] divinity that we transcend. Triumph, not
[2:18:45] win. triumph over all of that. But it
[2:18:49] all begins with honoring the gift of our
[2:18:52] bodies. And I think that's the
[2:18:54] invitation that's up for all of us right
[2:18:55] now.
[2:18:56] Greg, you're such an incredible ortor,
[2:18:58] communicator of these ideas and really
[2:19:00] to be able to synthesize them to be able
[2:19:04] to explain in layman's terms what's
[2:19:06] going on. And there's so many mysteries
[2:19:08] and avenues we can keep diving down. I
[2:19:10] mean, I could speak to you for 12 hours
[2:19:11] straight about all this, and I'm sure we
[2:19:13] will in in due time, but that reflection
[2:19:15] is very potent that perhaps we are
[2:19:18] angels on earth that have forgotten, and
[2:19:20] we're on this process of remembering.
[2:19:22] And I would love for this next
[2:19:24] conversation for people to tune into
[2:19:26] next week, unveiling that process of
[2:19:28] remembering. So, thank you so much for
[2:19:31] diving with me in this conversation.
[2:19:33] Thank you for sharing the journey and
[2:19:34] allowing me. I'm just realizing I spoke
[2:19:36] a lot more than you did. So, thank you
[2:19:37] for allowing long answers to short
[2:19:40] questions and I look forward to our next
[2:19:42] I could listen to you all day. So, I'm
[2:19:43] happy with it and excited to keep diving
[2:19:45] deeper. Everyone who's tuning in, thank
[2:19:47] you for tuning in and let us know how
[2:19:49] this episode uniquely impacted you. I'm
[2:19:51] excited for next week you guys to tune
[2:19:53] in to the continuation of this dialogue
[2:19:55] between Greg and I. Thank you for coming
[2:19:57] on this journey. Until next time, keep
[2:19:58] on
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